Joe Rogan Experience #2443 - Filippo Biondi — Full Transcript

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it's accurate, it essentially rewrites

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all of human history.

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>> Yes. Uh thank you for this invitation.

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And uh yes the group is composed by

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Colorado Malanga which is the head of

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the group and the uh dean professor of

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chemistry at University of Pisa.

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>> Could you explain your background please

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so people understand? Yeah

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>> yes my background is uh this I am a

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telecommunication engineering. I

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graduate at the university.

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>> What is that word again? Say it again.

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>> Telecommunication engineer.

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>> Telecommunications engineer. Okay. It's

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like your your English is excellent but

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the Italian accent although fabulous

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sometimes it's difficult to translate.

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>> Thank you very much Joe. I'm sorry yes

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that I'm not mother tongue of English

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but

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>> still much better than my Italian.

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>> Okay, thank you. [laughter]

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>> Yes, I graduated myself in university at

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the University of Leche south of Italy.

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very nice university and uh it it was it

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is has the name of a famous mathematic

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mathematic

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Italian which is any deeo

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de Georgie um

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was living in the era then John

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was living also and they uh were they

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were one against to the other and Uh

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they were they was both um studying the

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19 Hilbert pro problem and John um any

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de Georgie solved this pro this problem

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one week before John Nash.

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>> Ah interesting John Nash who from the

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famous movie a brilliant mind with

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Russell Crow.

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>> Yes.

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>> Yeah.

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>> So uh then I performed my PhD at

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Lasapenza in Rome

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uh and now I'm here. And how did you get

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involved in this this discovery?

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>> Yes. Uh I worked uh on radar and

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synthetic radar for a lot of time. Um

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radar

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>> for the Italian military. Right. Some

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work.

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>> Yes. Yes. Some

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>> which you can't really talk about. No.

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>> Right. Erh

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and uh I was um

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involved in some research where um

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together with uh the Italian research

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council of Bari always south of Italy.

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Uh we we was testing some special

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processing that were able were able to

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to to perform something special. And so

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>> this is

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>> so this top secret research that you

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work on for the Italian government led

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you to try this stuff out try this

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technology out and this is satellite

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based technology correct and it's a

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radio tomography

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>> yes it is something in my personal

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opinion very simple uh the radar is

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installed on board on the satellite the

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satellite flies at in the space uh at

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distance of 600 kilometers at 7

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kilometers/ second in velocity. So while

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uh it flies along the orbit, it is um

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able to catch snapshots of the earth.

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The snapshots has to be focused and this

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focusing procedure let's say it in the

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azimut I take it easy in the azimut

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direction is done by sound by the

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processing of sound because it is

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involved at the so-called Doppler

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frequency

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uh you know Joe when uh you hear noises

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that are approaching to you the this

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noise will rise the frequency because it

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the the target has a velocity a posity

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the velocity with respect to U and so

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the frequency is rised up and this

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procedure uh allow us to estimate or to

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to grab let's say the um um vibration

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information that is always present at

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the surface of the earth in terms of a

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vanishment waves that are present on the

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surface of the earth. So this vi

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vibration which is mechanical vibration

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uh carries inside of this the the the

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information that is located underground

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and so we did this.

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>> And was it a specific idea? Was it the

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idea specifically to look under the

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pyramids or was it something that was

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discovered accidentally?

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>> Okay. Yes. Uh once uh we discovered I we

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discovered this uh this method

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uh it was a coincidence that I knew

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Colorado Malanga and at that time I

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speak I am we are in 2018 he was

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studying the pyramids and so we were

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talking about uh something that uh if if

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there was some methods able to scan

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inside the pyramids because he needed

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some information to to to conclude the

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research that he was doing. And so uh I

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proposed him to use my technique and uh

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we started to work together and so we

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focused in that time on the pyramids

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>> and when was this when was the first

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scans?

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>> Uh yes in 2019. in 2019. And when you

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got the data back,

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>> did you immediately get the data that

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you're showing today where you see the

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columns with the coils around it?

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>> Okay. Uh in let's say that this research

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is can be divided by two. The first one

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1.0 uh we were concentrating research on

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the Kunum Kufu pyramid, the Kaops

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pyramid to watch inside the pyramid. And

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so we have uh detailed tailored our

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processing to watch only inside the

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pyramids because that pyramid only one

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pyramid because we were

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uh doing that kind of research. Then

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once we uh discovered things in 2020, we

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published the peerreview paper and uh we

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gave uh public the results that we found

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in inside the kum kum kufu pyramid. We

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decided to expand our um research in all

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the the Jiza plateau.

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>> Can I stop you there? The when you

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looked so we know quite a bit about the

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kufu pyramid and what the chambers are

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inside of it. Did this technology

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accurately describe the pyramid itself

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and the insides of it, the chambers that

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we know exist?

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>> Absolutely. Yes. Because we have

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detected this uh multi-layer structure

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that is inside the Kung Kufu pyramid,

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the so-called Zed. We have discovered it

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uh uh very well from the space and it is

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located inside the pyramid. And also we

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discovered it in the new we no we

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discovered it we we um uh we gave an

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image also of the other known structures

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like the gr the grand gallery

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>> the grand gallery

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>> the grand gallery and then also the

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queen's chamber and the king's chamber

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also so

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>> and accurate in terms of size and

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dimension

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>> and also position and location. Okay. So

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when did you decide to focus below the

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pyramid?

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>> Yes. uh we decided to focus below the

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pyramid. Uh because we uh we were our

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intention was to expand our um research

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and then also thanks to the third

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component of the research group which is

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Armando May. Uh he suggest us to expand

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our research and scan all the Giza

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plateau. And so what what date was it

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that you discovered these immense

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columns with the coils around it and all

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those structures that are underneath the

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pyramid? Yes, in the second part of of

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our research, we uh started focusing our

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scans on the Kraer pyramid and uh like

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Kunum Kufu and then we adjust our

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algorithms to go deeper. And so when we

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did this uh

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very nice things

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be began to to appear on our results.

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What what did you feel when you first

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saw those images that do appear to be

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immense columns? Uh I believe they're uh

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the diameter is 20 m

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>> 20 minutes.

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>> So they're huge, enormous columns.

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>> Yes.

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>> What what what went through your mind?

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>> Skepticism.

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>> Skepticism. I told for uh also Colorado

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uh was with me because uh

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we had those results for uh in our um

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desk without uh disclosure or anything

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for 6 months because my my opinion was

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that was not real. Um I uh I did I

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was thinking that maybe it was noise or

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some artifacts due due by our uh

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processing procedures.

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>> Did give you pause at all that they were

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so uniform that these columns were in

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very specific places and that they they

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lined up there was a uniform gap in

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between them.

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>> Yes. And uh uh why we disclosure this?

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because we started to use also other

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satellites and uh once we uh at at the

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beginning we were using only the Italian

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uh satellite system that is it is cosmos

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kimemed and cosmos kimemed second

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generation it's very good very precise

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but uh we wanted to shift our research

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using also other satellites because Joe

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in research when we have diversity

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diversity is a good thing because it

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confirms other things that we uh were uh

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searching we were searching confirmation

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confirmation. So once we had the same

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results while we were we was using uh

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American satellites called the Capella

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space and and also other satellites

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having always the same results. We

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decided to disclosure.

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>> How many different scans have been done

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on this area? Two or 300. Two. More than

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200.

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>> More than 200. And all with uniform

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results.

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>> Yes.

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>> Wow.

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>> Yes.

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>> There's a lot of resistance to this and

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it's from the usual characters and it's

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from people that I would characterize as

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gatekeepers of archaeological

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information. And um unfortunately they

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are not willing to approach this with an

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open mind. And you see this skepticism

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that just seems to me to be confirmation

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bias. They they want this to not be true

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regardless of the sheer number of scans

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and the uniformity of the results of

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these scans. And also the fact that this

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stuff has been proven to work on other

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things like didn't you guys use this

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exact technology to get the exact

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dimensions of a particle collider that

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you have?

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>> Yes. Yes, we have a particle collider

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where I have born in Lula which is

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located in the center of Italy. At the

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center of Italy

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there is a huge mountain called Grand

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Saso the Grand Saso Italia which is uh

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has a maximum altitude of about 3,000 m

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for being precise 2993 m. And so um

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there there is a a tunnel very very long

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tunnel about uh 11 12 kilometers and in

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[clears throat] the core of this

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mountain there is a particle collider

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there is a laboratory let's say like

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that

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>> and this technology

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got the exact dimensions of this

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particle collider that's deep in this

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mountain.

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>> Yes at

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1.4 kilometers with respect to the top.

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>> Wow. Yeah.

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>> Okay. So, we know it's accurate. We know

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it works. What do you think it I mean,

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other than what I said that it's

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gatekeepers of archaeological

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information? It's people that don't want

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to admit that there's perhaps a quite a

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bit bigger mystery than just the

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pyramids themselves. What What is What

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do you think it is that is causing this

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resistance?

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>> Personally, it's true. We found a lot of

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resistance. Yes, it's true. But

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personally, I don't know why. Erh, I can

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say something uh regarding to my

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personal opinion.

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Uh

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Joe, it is something that maybe is too

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big, too huge to

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to be disclosured like that today. I

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don't know why

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>> it's confusing to people because it's

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it's essentially

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paradigm shattering because the pyramids

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themselves are absolutely spectacular.

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The Great Pyramid is 2,300,000

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stones. The the alignment is to perfect

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true now, true north, south, east, and

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west. It's a really incredible

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accomplishment. Whoever built it and

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when they built it, it's just undeniably

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fascinating that this was done at the

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the very least 25,500 BC, probably even

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older than that. We really don't know.

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>> But that alone is spectacular. But then

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when you add the findings that you have,

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it just makes everybody go, "We don't

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know anything. We really don't. We we

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know that these things exist, but their

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purpose has always been speculative. The

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speculation was that it is some sort of

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a tomb, but that doesn't make any sense

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because there's there's no hieroglyphs

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inside of it. It doesn't seem like a

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tomb. Doesn't look like a tomb." And I'm

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sure you're aware of Christopher Dunn's

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work.

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>> Yes. Yes. which you know he's an

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engineer and he said it it appears that

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this thing is some sort of a mechanical

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thing and that it's probably designed to

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generate some kind of power. Yeah. Uh

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yes in this uh in this context I have

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spoke a lot with Christopher Dan and uh

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in in uh um I like a lot his theory and

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uh it it makes sense and um and so this

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discoveries matches a lot with his uh

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with his and also to other scientists

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that makes make recast the uh effective

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purpose of the pyramid not to to be

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tombs. Today we are sure we are sure or

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of one thing that the pyramids are not

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tombs. They're not tombs. And what is

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truly spectacular is that if if this

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data is accurate, those immense

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structures that have baffled mankind

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forever are just the tip of the iceberg.

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>> Yes.

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>> That's just the top.

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>> Yes.

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>> And underneath it,

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>> you have these immense structures that

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we have not yet fully explored. But you

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have data that shows that. Let's let's

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look at the images. Let's pull up some

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of the images so people can see what

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we're talking about. Cuz once you see

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it, you mind just goes, "Okay, what are

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we even talking about?" Like,

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>> what was this civilization?

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When did it exist? And what kind of

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technology would allow them to not just

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construct the pyramids, which is

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absolutely baffling, but if this

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structure that is underneath the

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pyramids is accurately described by your

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work, we're looking at something that it

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it is going to have to change our entire

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perspective on the history of humanity.

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Yes, I agree with you Joe because what

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we found it is something that is has

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been confirmed by by our measurements

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and at the moment I suppose that our

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measurements are the only are the only

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data that we have because there aren't

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other other data. So

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uh what we are uh observing we are we

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are observing principally vertical

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structure. This vertical structures has

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a a pattern a regular pattern and this

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regular pattern is uh um uh constituted

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by a so-called spiral nature. I found

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this and

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>> okay so what are we looking at here?

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These are

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>> that's the right one.

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>> Yes.

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>> Yeah. Okay.

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>> Yes. That is the cafrey pyramid. And you

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see Joe at the top of the tomography.

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The tomography is on the x. Uh so the

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horizontal dimension we have the space.

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Okay.

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>> Space adjust the range

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>> and on the vertical we have the depth.

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>> Okay.

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>> Okay. On the top we have the um uh the

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the the pyramid. You see you see the

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pyramid on the top. And while you go

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down, you are observing the structures

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that are going down. And look, you have

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the spiral nature of the of the of the

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structures.

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>> Okay, this is not the clearest image

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that I've seen. So, what are Let me see

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some other images.

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>> Um,

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>> because this is just one, right?

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>> I know. That's what this was from his

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presentation and I didn't know where to

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get the best from it.

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>> Back up one. So

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>> go go go. Okay. Again

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we have a lot of images here that that

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is requesting all the uh the research

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that we have done together.

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>> So the images that are going around

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online that people have seen are these

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3D replica. Pull up some more of those.

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>> Yeah. Get them off the web.

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>> Okay. Um some of the images online are

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recreations of what it is observed and

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what you believe this could look like

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underneath. Correct.

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>> Uh we have performed measurements and

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they are sound measurements that are

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that has been picked up from the surface

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of the earth by satellites. So they are

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very precise and they are coherent. A

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coherent it means that contains a lot of

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information. So it is uh characterized

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to have high entropy and so when we

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perform the so-called tomographic

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inversion we can see what there is

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underneath.

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>> Okay. So this is a recreation of what

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you believe it looks like.

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>> Yes.

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>> And how are you getting that from the

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image that's below that?

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>> Okay.

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>> So the image is just one aspect of the

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data. Correct. Yes,

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the imag

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>> this this this multicolored

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>> image. Okay, here we are observing

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inside the Cafra pyramid and inside the

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Cafra pyramid uh we are observing those

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structure there. The the those are

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inside the Cafra pyramid

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>> and the image above

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>> yes

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>> that is an artist recreation of what you

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think it looks like. Now, how did you

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make that determination that that's what

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it looks like?

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>> Okay. Um

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uh the uh 3D model has been has been um

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retrived not um observing just only one

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result but observing a lot of results.

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So putting on a table all the results

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that we have we were able to retrive so

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to facilitate people to read our

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measurements. Okay. So observing the

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results we were able to uh determine the

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spirals and the uh structures that are

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located starting from the base of the

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caf pyramid going down.

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>> I've seen other images of the scans that

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are more convincing than the one that's

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below. So, let's see if we can find some

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of those.

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What are they? What else do you have

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here?

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>> Yes, these are all images that are

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related to the first uh

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>> So, this is just an article that's in

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the news.

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>> Okay.

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>> Yeah, I just I mean, I even went here. I

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>> um what is like where's a a good place

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to get the best versions of these

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images? Like that right there. Okay.

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>> It's just kind of

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>> Okay. What is this? Okay. Uh here we are

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watching a wide area of of our

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tomographies. Look and we see the

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structures that are going down.

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>> Yes. This is much clearer.

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>> Yes.

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>> Okay. And

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>> and below the below the structure at the

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end of the structures there are huge

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chambers but they are really huge

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approximately having a uh a width and

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the length and the height of 80 80 m. So

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80 meter structures that are below all

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of this.

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>> Yes.

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>> So almost the size of a football field

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below all this. That is some sort of a

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chamber.

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>> Yeah.

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>> And um see see if you can find some

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other images, Jamie.

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So the coils,

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how did you determine that there was

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coils? Is it just because of the gaps

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that you see in the imagery? whether

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they come in this uniform pattern

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pattern that I I have

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two or three slides on my presentation

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where we find the coils.

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>> Okay, let's see if we can find those

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slides.

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>> You know which you know which slide

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maybe

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>> if you go down please. Yeah. Uh wait a

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minute.

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Okay. Okay. Here. Okay. Here we can

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observe a regular pattern. So not uh not

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coils. And we and we go we go down

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please. Okay. Regular pattern. And the

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coils are beginning to be seen there on

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the third image

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>> here. Regular pattern. Go down please.

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And here. This is in my personal opinion

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uh the fourth image uh from the uh left

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to the right. The fifth image. One, two,

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three. Four. The fourth image. I'm

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sorry. where you have a core at the at

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the center of the the the coil at the at

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the center of the the structure and then

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we have

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a something that spirals down.

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>> So has anybody speculated about what

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this could possibly be like what these

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coils are?

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>> Yes. erh I spoke with uh uh two

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independent with let's say with some

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independent researchers and uh uh

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especially with Christopher Dan and uh

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um

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and also uh I spoke also with Jeffrey

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that uh is uh uh considering also the

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Giza power plant like a chemical reactor

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or something like that. So we have on

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one side uh

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uh uh scientists that say okay it can be

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something related to electricity or or

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we have something related to chemical

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chemicals or other things in my personal

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opinion me I can see anything I can say

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anything because I just measured what

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there is there so it is not my how you

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say my my job to do this my job is okay

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here we have the measurements and now we

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have to see what there is inside my in

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my personal opinion this is the right um

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time

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to say okay let's go be let's go there

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and see what there is

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>> let's start digging

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>> yes

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>> yeah um pull up some more images please

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Jamie um so

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>> yes this is very important if you want I

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can I can tell you about this

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>> okay because It is uh the very important

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u project research project that uh I am

25:52

working now and it is something that if

25:56

could be possible we can go there and

25:58

without digging anything we can go

26:02

below. Why? Because uh belonging between

26:07

the Sphinx and the Cafra pyramid, there

26:10

are some shafts. And there there are the

26:14

photos of the shafts where we can go in

26:17

Sidto and we can uh physically go there

26:21

and see and watch those shafts.

26:25

Currently the shafts are

26:28

blocked by debris and there is also

26:31

rubbish inside. So we uh I performed I

26:37

performed a lot of scans at at those

26:40

shafts and you see jaw the sha the the

26:43

shafts goes down down down down down and

26:46

they reach

26:48

chambers that are below

26:50

>> and that is the doc doppler tomography

26:52

readings. Yes.

26:53

>> So these shafts go down. How far do they

26:55

go down?

26:56

>> Yes, they go down approximately 600 m.

27:00

>> 600 m. Wow. Yes.

27:03

>> So 600 m down and then they reach a

27:06

chamber.

27:06

>> Yes.

27:07

>> What is the conventional explanation for

27:09

these shafts? Is there one

27:12

>> like what is what what do current

27:14

archaeologists what does academia what

27:16

do they think these things are? Leave

27:17

that right there for a second.

27:18

>> Yes. Yes. This is the complete 3D model

27:21

that me and Colorado did. And uh so to

27:25

uh observe all the structures that we

27:28

have find that we found um

27:33

evaluating

27:35

the tomographies that we have done on

27:38

the Jiza plateau.

27:39

>> So it's not just under the great

27:42

pyramid, it's under all three pyramids

27:44

>> and also the Sphinx.

27:45

>> And also the Sphinx.

27:46

>> Yes.

27:46

>> And they all seem to go do they go down

27:49

to a uniform depth? Erh, we found at the

27:54

moment the same depth. Yes.

27:57

>> And they all have chambers at the

28:00

bottom.

28:00

>> Yes. Absolutely. Yes. And that's the the

28:02

the in my personal opinion my the nice

28:06

thing that uh that we are dealing at the

28:08

end of the structures of these tubes

28:12

that are going down. There are um huge

28:16

uh chambers.

28:18

>> How huge? Uh, as I told you before, 80 m

28:22

times 80 m and times 80 m of height.

28:26

>> And that's uniform underneath all the

28:28

pyramids. It's the [clears throat] same

28:29

dimensions.

28:29

>> Yes.

28:30

>> Wow.

28:31

>> When you look at it like this, when you

28:33

see your 3D recreation of the site, it's

28:37

stunning.

28:38

>> Yeah.

28:38

>> Because it just it just makes you think

28:40

like, what is this?

28:44

I mean, I can understand the skepticism

28:46

and I can understand the resistance to

28:48

this that modern academics have because

28:51

this throws a giant monkey wrench into

28:55

everything.

28:56

This make makes everything we know about

29:00

that area thrown into question.

29:03

Because if this is true, like I said,

29:06

this this rewrites history because

29:08

you're dealing with an advanced

29:10

civilization that is demonstrabably more

29:13

advanced than us.

29:16

Yes. Because uh they were able to

29:21

to build very precise things, but not at

29:26

the surface of the earth below.

29:28

>> Well, they even built a lot of precise

29:30

things that confuse us.

29:32

One of the things that Christopher Dunn

29:34

gave me is this. It's a the recreation

29:36

of the vase of one of the many voses

29:39

that they have that is

29:42

>> accurate in its the the way it was made.

29:46

>> Yeah.

29:47

>> Down to

29:49

god, what was the number? A thousandth

29:51

of a human hair, something crazy like

29:53

that. like much less than a human hair

29:56

in the diameter, in the uniformity of

29:59

it, in the fact that it was carved out

30:01

of this incredibly hard stone at a time

30:04

where there was no metal alloys. They,

30:06

you know, there supposedly had copper

30:07

tools. No one understands it. No one

30:10

knows how they did it. And it has

30:11

handles on it, so it couldn't have even

30:13

been turned on a lathe.

30:16

Yes. And also if we go inside the

30:18

pyramids inside and also outside the

30:21

pyramids we can observe that the

30:24

measurements are very precise. The the

30:28

chambers are constituted by flat walls.

30:32

We don't have inscriptions

30:34

uh and the dimensions are all related to

30:38

the constants to the major constants of

30:41

universe.

30:42

>> Right? They're all aligned to the

30:44

constellations. There's a lot of like

30:46

very strange calculations that they were

30:49

able to make like pathways where the sun

30:52

during the solar equinox

30:54

>> passes right through. It's a fascinating

30:57

place.

30:58

>> Yes.

30:58

>> What when you

31:00

started [clears throat]

31:01

acquiring this data and you started

31:03

accumulating it and then started going

31:06

over it with experts, what did that feel

31:09

like to you when you're when you

31:10

realizing, oh, this is real?

31:13

>> Yes.

31:15

It was something that uh was very

31:20

very nice for me because [laughter]

31:24

because uh when we disc the thing was um

31:29

I

31:31

was saying always to Gor

31:33

shall we disclosure this or not?

31:36

I think for for now not for now not but

31:39

then the results were always the same.

31:42

So we decided to to disclose this uh

31:45

this

31:45

>> how long did you sit on it before you

31:47

decided to disclose it?

31:48

>> One year.

31:49

>> One year. So for that one year, how

31:50

conflicted were you? You must have been

31:52

walking around like I have the biggest

31:53

secret on earth.

31:54

>> Yes.

31:56

>> How weird was that? [laughter]

32:00

Only two person knew this.

32:02

>> That's crazy. [laughter]

32:04

That's crazy. two people having one of

32:07

the biggest secrets on earth

32:10

>> that's backed by data. I mean it's not

32:12

it's not even like you know someone told

32:14

you something like you have

32:16

extraordinary data due to fascinating

32:19

modern technology that indicates that

32:22

there's these paradigm shifting

32:24

structures.

32:25

>> Yeah. And uh I I tell you Joe, I I would

32:30

like to go there and see what there is

32:35

in person.

32:36

>> Yes.

32:36

>> Because it's it's now time. I think

32:39

>> is there resistance from Egypt and the

32:42

people that are in control of that area

32:44

or are they fascinated by it?

32:46

>> I tell you Joe, I didn't f find a lot of

32:50

resistance. There is I found a lot of

32:53

resistance in the internet. Yes. A lot

32:55

of the banking a lot of people that no

32:57

it's not true it's not true

33:00

>> a lot of people that continues

33:03

were continuing to say no rather can

33:06

penetrate the earth for one kilometer 4

33:09

and they didn't know or they they they

33:13

purposely not saying this that we are

33:15

not penetrating anything because we are

33:18

just grabbing the entropy that is on the

33:21

surface of the earth and with with with

33:23

that information we are retriving

33:25

tomographies. It's something new that I

33:28

invented but it works because we have

33:30

benchmarks that demonstrates the

33:33

effectiveness of the method and it's

33:35

this is 100%.

33:37

>> And there's also been some criticism

33:38

that the patents have expired but that's

33:41

because you have new patents on better

33:43

stuff.

33:44

>> Yes. Now Jo under NDA. So h I uh we just

33:49

uh I think I I can say something about

33:51

the second patent because just yesterday

33:53

we filed the patent in USA.

33:56

>> Nice.

33:56

>> Yes.

33:57

>> Wow. Um have any academics reached out

34:01

to you in support that are interested in

34:04

this and would like to explore this

34:05

further?

34:06

>> Yes. Yes. Erh I I tell you this there

34:10

are uh companies uh related to mining

34:15

and uh uh crude oil extraction and then

34:19

also water. Uh Joe today we are living a

34:24

particular time because water is very

34:27

important. Uh we are in a so-called

34:30

water emergency in all the world. So for

34:34

me the first thing that we have to do is

34:36

to scan

34:38

uh the earth and uh uh to fetch to to

34:41

find to try and find other uh let's say

34:45

uh opportunity to ext extract not salty

34:48

water because it's very important.

34:51

>> So you'll be using this technology for

34:52

that as well.

34:53

>> We uh for now not but I'm thinking to do

34:55

it.

34:56

>> Well it makes sense. I mean, if it can

34:57

detect this, it should be able to detect

34:59

that as well. And that will be if and

35:01

it's and it also if it's accurate, that

35:03

will also help garner support. Yes. For

35:05

this this exploration of whatever is

35:09

under there.

35:09

>> Yeah. And uh so uh we we are receiving a

35:14

lot of uh uh calls from uh companies

35:18

that want to work with me. And so let's

35:21

see what what we can do. And so this is

35:23

all companies that have reached out

35:25

after you released the results

35:27

underneath the pyramids.

35:28

>> Uh the most of them are calling me

35:31

recently,

35:32

>> right? So they've heard about

35:34

>> relatively recently. Yes.

35:35

>> Well, that's capitalism, right? They

35:36

they say, "Oh, we can make money off of

35:38

this."

35:38

>> Yes.

35:39

>> Yeah. Well, that's good. That gets

35:41

people interested. It gets people

35:43

involved in this.

35:43

>> And so we have also philanthrop

35:46

philanthropic project. We are opening a

35:49

um a foundation in Malta. Uh we we are

35:54

realizing it in uh two weeks and uh we

35:57

we will have a foundation in Malta and

36:00

with the with that foundation we can

36:02

operate also philanthropically for the

36:04

the Giza plateau and other uh and other

36:08

uh ancient megalytics that are located

36:11

in all the world. We have a plan to scan

36:13

everything

36:14

>> really. What is next?

36:16

Uh maybe we we can see uh Pumapo or

36:20

other sites.

36:22

>> Yeah. Yeah. Go back.

36:25

>> Go back. Yes.

36:27

>> Have you looked at the labyrinths

36:29

underneath uh the the ones that were

36:31

described by Herododus that Ben Van

36:33

Kirkwick has been talking about and his

36:35

Uncharted exchange

36:38

atrium with a 40 meter metallic object

36:43

that's the shape of a tic tac in there.

36:44

>> Yes. They asked me to do it and we will

36:48

do it.

36:49

>> Yeah, you have to do that.

36:50

>> I I tell you Joe the processing is very

36:53

nice but requests a lot of calculations.

36:57

So uh it is time consuming. So at the

37:00

moment at the moment uh we have some

37:04

computers that are dedicated on JA and

37:07

other project that we are doing and in

37:10

the future maybe we will have other um

37:14

other machines that uh can work to to do

37:18

other things but we will do it. We we

37:20

need time but we will do it. Now, are

37:22

you absolutely convinced that this data

37:25

is accurate or have any of the

37:28

criticisms of any of the people that are

37:29

trying to debunk it? Have has any of

37:31

that resonated with you and rang true?

37:34

Is there any validity to any of the

37:35

criticisms?

37:38

>> Radar is only precise. The nice thing

37:42

that has radar is the precision

37:45

and especially from space because space

37:48

it is a very silent environment. you

37:51

don't have noise something the the

37:54

platform is very stable. So when you

37:56

transmit electromagnetic waves

37:59

>> they return back with absolutely precise

38:02

with absolute precision

38:03

>> and it's recreated over and over again

38:05

in these 200 plus scans that you've done

38:08

with various different satellites.

38:10

Correct. Not just one so that one could

38:12

have errors.

38:13

>> Yeah.

38:13

>> So you're convinced?

38:14

>> I'm convinced 100% because

38:16

>> wow I did the I invented the method.

38:20

Yes, I know. But uh I tell you that uh I

38:25

am happy if somebody can replicate

38:27

things. So if other research groups can

38:30

replicate the things that I'm showing, I

38:33

am happy.

38:34

>> Well, you got there first. Yeah. So no

38:36

matter what [laughter]

38:39

>> I mean you if this is correct you will

38:41

go down in history as one of the most

38:43

important figures in archaeology because

38:46

if you are

38:49

>> you're welcome but I it's just fact if

38:52

what you're saying is true and we're

38:54

just recently discovering this in the

38:55

21st century. I mean that's absolutely

38:58

mindbending.

39:00

>> Uh thank you for this. Uh yes I I am

39:04

happy for uh for being in this uh but uh

39:09

not al not not only me other people

39:11

helping me to to do my work. Yes.

39:14

>> Oh of sure of course a lot of people

39:16

>> and in principal my family.

39:17

>> Yeah. um this these structures and this

39:21

this whole area if this turns out to be

39:25

something that you don't find just at

39:28

the Giza plateau but around other parts

39:30

of Egypt. I mean there's always been a

39:33

lot of speculation as to whether or not

39:35

a civilization existed in subsaharan

39:37

Africa an advanced civilization that in

39:39

the area are not now sand you could

39:41

probably do that same sort of research

39:43

there as well.

39:43

>> Yes. Yes. I I agree with this and uh we

39:46

will do it. Yes.

39:48

>> Wow. What is life like for you now

39:52

having this exposed and now you know

39:55

having this on the internet and all the

39:57

speculation and all this excitement?

39:59

What has that been like for you?

40:00

>> Yes, I am not very used uh on all this

40:05

exposure in on the internet. Uh

40:10

it is something that I have to uh get

40:12

used of this. Yes.

40:16

My my life is simple, Joe. I I live in

40:20

Italy and uh but uh um

40:26

now I repeat this uh it is time to go

40:31

ahead and go on the uh Jiza plateau and

40:37

in person I I wish to see the effective

40:43

structure how they are and the purpose

40:46

of the of all the plateau what it is And

40:49

is there plans to do that in person to

40:51

do some sort of an excavation?

40:54

>> Yes. Um I wrote a project proposal which

41:00

is a research and also not research a

41:02

proposal and uh is now um

41:08

we we are uh our intention is to submit

41:12

this proposal at the Egyptian

41:14

authorities.

41:17

If you want I can explain you this

41:19

proposal

41:20

>> please. Um we are involving University

41:23

of Ferrara

41:26

um

41:27

principal scientist professor Savakaro

41:31

Italian professor in she's a geologist

41:36

um

41:38

and other uh and other governmental

41:42

Italian governmental uh in institutions

41:46

that are very clever to do scans in sidu

41:48

scans. So we are not using my my

41:52

technique. We use the state-of-the-art

41:54

technique that it is recognized by

41:58

science today.

42:00

And

42:02

uh our uh intention is to

42:06

uh concentrate the efforts on those

42:09

shafts that I that I showed you that we

42:12

we we have seen because we are we are

42:16

not 90 99% convinced that or sure that

42:21

those those are natural entrance into

42:24

the the uh the structures that are below

42:28

that are located below because we have

42:30

the vertical structures and

42:33

you saw on the on the tomographies you

42:36

have also horizontal connections.

42:38

>> So there's corridors.

42:39

>> Yes, you have.

42:40

>> And how large are these corridors?

42:42

>> Uh

42:44

about uh they they are tall about 3 m

42:47

tall.

42:48

>> Okay.

42:48

>> So about 9 ft tall.

42:50

>> Yes. Yes. that can that will uh using

42:55

these corridors you uh will arrive

42:57

directly inside the the the coils that

43:00

we are that we are uh uh um visualizing

43:06

uh that we v visualize uh before.

43:09

>> So there's passages and shafts and these

43:13

uh enormous

43:15

ways that they can go back and forth in

43:17

between these various structures. The

43:20

thing that we have to do now is to clean

43:22

those shafts. We have to do uh cleaning

43:25

because now they are um

43:28

>> sand debris.

43:29

>> Yeah.

43:30

>> Yeah.

43:31

>> And um

43:33

is there a timeline on when you would

43:35

like to start cleaning these shafts and

43:37

start doing this kind of stuff?

43:38

>> Yes, it depends when we submit the

43:40

project. The project is ready. Uh I know

43:43

uh people that uh are living in uh in um

43:48

uh in Egypt that when we are ready we

43:51

can submit the project proposal then we

43:53

are we are at uh when the government if

43:58

if approved the project we can start.

44:00

>> Now I would imagine that something like

44:02

this something at this scale would

44:03

require enormous funding.

44:05

>> Yeah.

44:06

>> And how do you uh how do you hope to

44:08

acquire that? We we can make um we can

44:13

say uh people that this this work is not

44:17

for me but is for humans. And so people

44:23

uh we we we ask people to help us in uh

44:28

getting money to perform the work. We

44:31

have to ask people. Have you reached out

44:33

to any like Jeff Bezos, Elon Musk type

44:36

people that have tons of money that

44:38

might be interested in doing something

44:39

like this?

44:40

>> I don't know them, Joe.

44:41

>> You don't know them?

44:42

>> No. But maybe uh

44:44

>> it's a big ask.

44:46

>> Yes,

44:46

>> it's a big ask, you know, asking.

44:48

>> It's a big ask.

44:49

>> A few billion dollars to go dig around

44:50

under the pyramids. I mean, how much

44:52

money do you think it costs to to do

44:54

this

44:55

>> to do? We we we have to do we we did an

44:57

estimation of uh the the

45:01

an estimation about I don't know for

45:04

maybe maybe uh belonging for 20 millions

45:08

or or more

45:09

>> $20 million

45:10

>> yes $20 million

45:11

>> and this is just to clean the shaft and

45:13

go underneath

45:14

>> and because why so much money because we

45:18

are our intention is to work safety I

45:21

don't want that people has to go down

45:23

the shaft and work. We will we want to

45:26

use drones, robots to to make something

45:30

automatically and so go down by using

45:34

machines, not humans.

45:35

>> Yeah, that makes sense.

45:36

>> Yeah.

45:36

>> Yeah. And that way you can get accurate

45:38

real time video and

45:40

>> Yes. Yes.

45:41

>> Wow. with cameras and uh it will be

45:44

something I am thinking about this the

45:48

most maybe is one of the most ancient

45:51

megalithic structure that we are dealing

45:53

now can be recovered by the most modern

45:58

technology that we have now today and so

46:00

we can recover it modern and ancient

46:03

together.

46:04

>> So you've been giving this presentation

46:06

now and you've been going around. What

46:08

has that been like? What has the

46:10

reception of it been like?

46:12

>> Yes. A a moderate

46:15

positive reception.

46:16

>> Moderate positive. So people that are

46:19

like if this is true it's amazing but

46:21

you have to show me more.

46:23

>> Yes.

46:25

>> I tell you in this project proposal I am

46:27

out.

46:29

>> You're out.

46:29

>> Yes. It is better than that University

46:33

of Ferrara that is one of the most

46:35

important university in Italy can stay

46:38

there and uh manage all the work is

46:42

better

46:43

>> right

46:43

>> and I'm out

46:44

>> right you showed them what's there show

46:47

them the technology now

46:49

>> good luck

46:50

>> thank you

46:51

>> thank [laughter] you thank you and good

46:52

luck so tell me about this presentation

46:54

so how do you set this up I know you you

46:56

brought some of the slides of this

46:58

presentation tell tell me how you set

47:00

this up.

47:01

>> How you

47:02

>> how you set it up? So, how you explain

47:04

it to these when you have these, you

47:05

know, semi-eptical scientists that are

47:07

sitting down there and you're going to

47:09

tell them, I'm about to rewrite human

47:10

history. How do you set this up?

47:13

>> [laughter]

47:14

>> Oh, they were uh they were listening me

47:16

very well and they [snorts] asking me uh

47:18

things uh about how they everyone um the

47:23

first thing that they asked me is how it

47:25

works and that's good and so I slowly

47:28

explain explain them how it works and

47:32

how I arrived to to to make this

47:34

presentation so to have our results and

47:37

uh uh and so and so on and They

47:43

they they

47:45

someone of them is skeptical, someone a

47:47

bit less skeptical,

47:49

>> which is what you want.

47:50

>> Yes.

47:50

>> Yes. You want healthy debate about this

47:52

kind of stuffy debate.

47:53

>> That's the only way you find out what

47:54

the truth is.

47:56

>> Yes. Only only having a you a healthy

48:00

debate, we can find what is the truth. I

48:03

I don't want to polarize people for me.

48:07

You know, it's not my it's not my job.

48:09

No. Well, not only that, it's not you're

48:11

just discovering something. Yes.

48:13

>> This is something that's there. And for

48:16

people to just put on a skeptical lens

48:19

and just not look at it at all is crazy.

48:22

>> Yes.

48:22

>> Like if you're skeptical, we should

48:24

probably explore it. And if you're

48:25

wrong, okay, now we know it's not true.

48:28

>> But if it is true, it's a crime to not

48:31

investigate.

48:32

>> Do not investigate. It's a crime to not

48:33

investigate. Yes. And I tell you the

48:38

the uh solution to we we don't we don't

48:42

have to dig holes uh uh ruin the what is

48:47

now preserved. No, we we have to only

48:49

clean enough. We have to only clean and

48:52

we have to use what there is

48:55

made. It's for us because those shafts

48:59

they are for us. They are calling us. We

49:02

our

49:03

um our rights are to clean them and see

49:08

what there is and do go down and explore

49:12

them. Personally,

49:13

>> well, it just seems like these shafts

49:15

exist at alone and they are at that

49:18

depth that you describe and they are at

49:20

the dimensions you describe. It really

49:22

does lend credence to what you're

49:24

saying. Yeah. because it seems like

49:25

there's a purpose for those things. And

49:27

if they do go down to the area where all

49:30

these structures are,

49:32

>> seems like there's something there.

49:33

>> In my personal opinion, they were built

49:35

purposely. And if you see the the

49:38

>> access points probably.

49:39

>> Yes, they are access points. They are

49:41

they were made probably to um you know,

49:45

Joe uh when you go deep below the earth,

49:49

the temperature rises a lot. So there is

49:52

a certain uh uh ratio uh of um where the

49:58

temperature rises uh proportional to the

50:01

depth that you are going. So the shafts

50:05

are made purposely to take the their

50:08

their function is to transport air light

50:12

and so cool what there is inside.

50:17

>> Well that makes sense.

50:18

>> Yeah. and also access

50:21

um show me some of the other slides and

50:23

other things that are in your

50:24

presentation so we can get a more

50:25

comprehensive understanding of what

50:27

we're looking at.

50:32

[clears throat]

50:32

>> Okay.

50:33

>> Yes. This is uh the Zed this is ah Mario

50:38

Pinker. Maru Pinker was a researcher

50:43

uh that he died the on 2011 12 and uh he

50:51

was studying the zed which is the

50:53

multi-layer monument let's call it a

50:56

monument but it's not a monument because

50:58

it it has a certain and very precise

51:01

function that is uh inside the pyramid

51:04

this is the

51:05

>> and this is [clears throat] the uh

51:07

outlined image in the lower left hand

51:09

corner.

51:10

>> Yeah, that's the tomography that we that

51:12

we have retrieved. It looks very

51:13

precise,

51:14

>> right? It looks exactly like what it

51:15

looks like in the actual image. What is

51:17

that thing? What is the what do you

51:19

think the function of that thing is?

51:20

>> Yes. Uh the function is um is is this uh

51:27

uh it is you you see on the top of the

51:29

structure there is something like

51:31

>> like a cap.

51:32

>> Yes, like a cap.

51:35

uh that cap uh is has a a precise

51:39

function to act attract the in the the

51:45

vibration.

51:47

Okay. It's an antenna

51:49

in the in the vibration domain. Okay.

51:55

>> Antenna in the vibration domain. Yes.

51:57

Okay.

51:57

attract the the energy in terms of uh

52:02

mechanical vibration and propagates them

52:06

below.

52:08

There are other slides please. Okay. Uh

52:11

here I did a simulation. Uh now I'm

52:14

sorry because I don't have the video

52:16

because this is a PDF but uh I I um uh

52:22

reproduced the function of the zed on

52:24

the computer.

52:26

Okay.

52:27

>> Okay.

52:28

>> And look on the right side, we have all

52:33

the vibrations that interacts one to

52:35

each other to each layer. Look.

52:38

>> Mhm.

52:38

>> And you can see that each layer. Look

52:41

how strange it is. Each layer on the top

52:45

of each layer, it is scattered.

52:48

Look.

52:49

>> Okay.

52:49

>> On the top of the each layer and the

52:51

bottom is very flat. It's flat. So what

52:54

is that? It is something related to

52:57

filter. It is a It is a low pass filter.

53:00

A made by stones.

53:04

Very crazy. This that's a low pass

53:06

filter.

53:07

>> A lowass filter. What exactly is a

53:09

lowass filter?

53:10

>> Yes. A low pass filter is a filter that

53:12

allow us that that allows the

53:15

transmission only of certain frequencies

53:19

and reject other frequencies. So it is a

53:22

stabilizer frequency stabilizer and the

53:25

low pass or a a certain low value

53:29

frequency.

53:31

Okay.

53:31

>> Right. And so this aligns with

53:34

Christopher Dunn's theory. Yeah.

53:36

>> That there was something underneath the

53:39

the pyramid that there was a a chamber

53:42

that was they were using to generate

53:45

vibration and that that vibration would

53:48

go through the entire structure.

53:49

>> Yes. And look, Joe, the last layer,

53:53

look, transmits

53:55

directly inside

53:58

the the the so-called uh sarcophagus.

54:01

That's not a sarcophagus there.

54:05

>> And so what do you think that what they

54:07

call a sarcophagus? This immense granite

54:10

box.

54:10

>> Yeah. Let's call it Yes. The gr the

54:12

granite box. Yes. And then inside the

54:15

granic box

54:18

was done to contain a man a body. And

54:21

that vibration look

54:24

collapses at the center of the granite

54:27

box where the man was lying down.

54:29

>> So do you think there was actually a man

54:30

inside that? So a person would lay in

54:33

that box.

54:33

>> Yes.

54:34

>> And what what happened to them?

54:36

>> I don't know.

54:37

>> Whoa.

54:39

So

54:40

>> I don't know. That's a simulation that I

54:43

did, but it's precise.

54:44

>> So, you don't think it's for a dead

54:46

body? You think it's for a live body?

54:48

>> Yes.

54:48

>> And so, a person would lay there and

54:50

have some probably incredibly profound

54:53

experience with whatever

54:56

>> Probably. Yes.

54:58

>> What do you think it was? Like, if you

55:01

just wanted to get crazy and put on the

55:03

tinfoil hat and speculate, what do you

55:05

think it was?

55:07

I mean, what would happen to a person if

55:09

they encountered this kind of vibration?

55:11

these kind of frequencies and in this

55:13

resonating granite box

55:18

>> I can say something that is not

55:20

scientific uh recognizing.

55:22

>> Yeah, that's what I want.

55:23

>> Yeah. [laughter]

55:28

Maybe

55:29

>> keep it up there. [laughter]

55:32

>> What do you think?

55:33

>> Maybe that person was ready to have an

55:35

out of the body experience induced.

55:37

>> Oh, like a gateway.

55:41

a gateway to the spirit world.

55:46

Look at on the top you have the antenna.

55:50

The antenna is recepting all the

55:52

vibrations that transmits

55:56

all the signal below directly inside the

56:00

granite box. It's very exciting.

56:02

>> And what do you think was generating

56:05

these vibrations? Ah yes the natural the

56:08

uh the wind the natural vibration

56:11

vibration of the earth and also some uh

56:15

let's say

56:17

uh flowing the the the flowing of water

56:20

also the flowing of water and generated

56:22

by

56:22

>> flowing water and then there was also

56:24

shafts that were this is part of

56:26

Christopher Dunn's theory these shafts

56:28

that reached the outside of space that

56:30

he thinks were attracting space

56:33

radiation

56:34

>> can be Yeah, that's another possibility.

56:36

>> Yes, another possibility.

56:37

>> He also had a a theory that perhaps the

56:40

lower chamber that's below the the

56:42

pyramid itself that there was some

56:44

mechanical device inside of there that

56:47

was generating vibration

56:49

>> for this uh can be. Yes, can be. But we

56:53

don't boom through the entire structure

56:56

and this is creating this vibration.

56:58

That's the antenna. You've got this

57:00

filter through it and then someone is

57:02

laying in the sarcophagus tripping

57:04

balls. Yes. Is that

57:05

>> Whoa.

57:07

That's crazy.

57:10

That's crazy.

57:12

Do you imagine if this entire structure

57:15

was just built so that someone could

57:17

have some sort of a bizarre out-of- body

57:20

experience or psychedelic gateway

57:22

experience?

57:24

>> I think that's true. I think it's

57:25

psychedelic Disney World. [laughter]

57:27

>> I do. I seriously I had I had that

57:28

epiphany like two months ago.

57:30

>> Really?

57:31

>> I don't want to explain it, but yeah.

57:32

Uh, I was look looking at a picture of

57:34

me when I was a kid at a like a Cedar

57:37

Point, which is like roller coaster

57:38

place. I was just thinking of how much

57:40

effort we put in to making kids or young

57:44

adults have a wild experience. Yeah.

57:46

>> That is only

57:48

uh in reference, you only understand it

57:51

if you live there. If you found Disney

57:53

World now in a thousand years, you'd be

57:54

like, "What the [ __ ] They worship mice?

57:57

[laughter]

57:57

>> What the [ __ ] are you talking about?

57:58

This is insane. Look at all the pictures

58:00

of mice everywhere."

58:01

>> That's so true. But you'd see that giant

58:02

castle and there's rides everywhere and

58:04

you you would have no idea what the

58:05

experience of that ride would have been

58:06

like or the teacups,

58:08

>> right?

58:08

>> It's nonsense. It's fun for kids,

58:11

>> but also would make them feel

58:14

amazing, but also adding what this

58:16

vibration stuff does and sound and music

58:18

and all these other things. You can put

58:20

them all together and be like you could

58:21

feel like a god.

58:22

>> Yeah.

58:23

>> If lightning hit the thing, you'd be

58:24

like, "What the I don't know." It's I

58:26

just had that wild idea one day. It's an

58:29

interesting idea because if you think

58:30

people have always been fascinated by

58:32

achieving novel experiences and what

58:36

more novel experience than a 2,300,000

58:40

stone structure that's perfectly aligned

58:43

to true north, south, east, and west

58:44

aligns to the stars of Orion's belt.

58:46

>> Yes.

58:47

>> You lie inside a stone box and the

58:51

vibrations hit you and you're in that

58:53

box.

58:55

more more

58:56

>> and naturally you go out of the body.

58:58

>> What it who knows what it does to the

59:00

body and the mind because we know that

59:02

the mind is capable of producing

59:03

indogenous psychedelic chemicals. We

59:06

also know that people have a very

59:07

profound reaction to frequencies. That's

59:09

why sound hits us so hard and we love

59:12

music and and just vibration itself and

59:14

and this sound weapon that they just

59:16

recently used in Venezuela supposedly to

59:20

knock out all Maduro's troops. What what

59:23

could this thing have been?

59:26

>> Yes. Um

59:29

I am relative that the the principal

59:34

actor of everything can be water

59:40

uh vibrations. So sound sound

59:46

but we we are uh dealing now to the

59:49

third uh a third thing. So the purpose

59:52

the exactly purpose of this maybe it can

59:57

it can be also one more than one purpose

1:00:01

no more than one scopus of the pyramids

1:00:06

the pyramids intended to be now we I am

1:00:09

100% convinced that the pyramids uh can

1:00:13

be considered the tip of the iceberg of

1:00:15

something

1:00:17

uh con uh of something very uh huge BJ

1:00:22

that is composed by things that are

1:00:25

below the earth and the pyramids that

1:00:28

are up at the surface of the earth.

1:00:31

>> So what do you think the reason for the

1:00:34

design of the pyramid in that specific

1:00:36

geometric shape?

1:00:39

Uh yes. Uh probably because they have to

1:00:42

resonate with the universe in in uh in

1:00:47

uh in some uh

1:00:51

in

1:00:53

they they have to resonate with the with

1:00:55

the universe. You know the the universe

1:00:58

uh the universe uh uh jaw it is uh it is

1:01:03

not complicated. is simple

1:01:06

because the universe is constituted by

1:01:10

things the matter the particles the

1:01:12

light yes but everything is uh regulated

1:01:18

by some constants there are the

1:01:20

constants so the velocity the speed of

1:01:22

the light c

1:01:25

uh 3 * 10 to the 8 uh kilometers/s

1:01:31

then you have so the velocity of the

1:01:32

light so you have the electric

1:01:34

constants, the magnetic constants that

1:01:37

are

1:01:38

uh that arranges very well the law of

1:01:42

the universe. So it is important that

1:01:46

something that has to uh be well related

1:01:51

to the place that we live to the

1:01:53

universe has to contain very precisely

1:01:57

the dimensions of uh recasting the

1:02:02

constants of the universe

1:02:05

>> and that's what you think the pyramids

1:02:06

did?

1:02:08

>> Personally yes personally yes

1:02:11

>> how old do you think they are?

1:02:14

Yes. So yes on the sorry the the Italian

1:02:17

starts when [laughter]

1:02:20

I start speaking Italian.

1:02:21

>> No it's okay. It's okay.

1:02:24

Erh

1:02:29

the thing that uh we can say for

1:02:32

certainly is that the pyramids are older

1:02:37

than the dates that are written on the

1:02:40

uh typical history books. So to see

1:02:45

something that to say something very

1:02:48

precisely we have to go back in time uh

1:02:51

into the zapi.

1:02:53

So more than 36

1:02:56

thousands years ago something happened

1:03:00

to the earth. So uh the zapi uh began

1:03:06

and in a time belonging the zeppy and

1:03:10

the great flood were built the pyramid

1:03:13

the pyramids.

1:03:15

>> So like what I'm sending you something

1:03:18

Jamie that's very interesting.

1:03:19

>> Yes. Um, so

1:03:22

do you have an idea? Do you do you have

1:03:23

an estimation like what what is your

1:03:25

personal belief?

1:03:26

>> Yes.

1:03:28

We can't say exactly the year.

1:03:31

>> So Zepti, let's let's explain to people

1:03:33

what that is since we're I sometimes

1:03:36

forget. Zepy is the thing that I

1:03:39

described to Zahi Has and he dismissed

1:03:42

it. But there's this I've never heard of

1:03:43

this.

1:03:45

>> It's [clears throat] an ancient kings

1:03:46

list.

1:03:47

>> Yeah. And it's a list of pharaohs that

1:03:49

goes back past 30,000 years. Yes. And um

1:03:52

it's very inconvenient for modern

1:03:55

academics. And so they like to portray

1:03:57

it as myth.

1:03:59

>> And then when it gets to the age of

1:04:02

historically accurate pharaohs that we

1:04:05

know of, Kufu and Cafrey, then they

1:04:08

allow those hieroglyphs. Yes.

1:04:10

>> But when you get all the way back to the

1:04:12

30,000 years ago, they like to say that

1:04:14

that's just mythology.

1:04:16

>> Yes, it's true.

1:04:17

But it is a matter of fact that Zep we

1:04:21

have

1:04:24

we have also other ancient megalytics

1:04:27

that are very old recognized very old.

1:04:29

So we have to deal with that.

1:04:32

>> Well go back

1:04:34

is a big problem also

1:04:35

>> but more than 11,000 years old for sure.

1:04:37

>> Yeah.

1:04:38

>> Yeah.

1:04:39

>> And as we saw

1:04:40

>> here it is. This is something that um

1:04:42

[clears throat] um I actually just

1:04:44

talked to Graham Hancock about. This is

1:04:46

Stella is a limestone inscription

1:04:47

discovered in 1858 near the great

1:04:49

pyramid complex of Giza. And the text

1:04:51

describes a pharaoh kufu who ruled from

1:04:54

2589 to 2566 BC visiting the site and

1:04:59

ordering restorations to existing

1:05:02

structures including a temple associated

1:05:04

with the goddess Isis. The stellar

1:05:06

refers to Isis as the mistress of the

1:05:09

pyramid, a title that has raised

1:05:11

questions about whether parts of the

1:05:12

Giza plateau were already considered

1:05:15

sacred before Kufu's reign. And although

1:05:17

most Egyptologists date the Stella

1:05:19

itself to the 26th dynasty, more than

1:05:22

2,000 years after Kufu, its wording

1:05:25

continues to draw attention because it

1:05:27

portrays the pharaoh as a restorer

1:05:30

rather than the original builder.

1:05:32

Whether inscription provides older

1:05:34

tradition or reflects later religious

1:05:35

interpretation remains debated. But if

1:05:38

this is accurate, this describes Kufu as

1:05:42

restoring the pyramid. Yeah.

1:05:44

>> Now this exists throughout history. Um

1:05:49

the temple of Tinoitlan

1:05:52

uh where the Aztecs had when when they

1:05:54

described it, they described it as the

1:05:56

place where the gods were born. Yeah.

1:05:59

>> And they found it. Like people think the

1:06:01

Aztecs made the pyramids. They did not.

1:06:03

>> No,

1:06:04

>> they there was some sort of a previous

1:06:06

civilization that lived in Mexico prior

1:06:09

to the people that called themselves the

1:06:10

Aztecs or what we call the Aztecs and

1:06:12

they built. So there's a longstanding

1:06:14

history of people repurposing existing

1:06:19

structures and claiming them as their

1:06:20

own. And if this Stella is accurate and

1:06:23

this was also in Fingerprints of the

1:06:24

Gods, Graham Hancock's book. Um, so I I

1:06:28

sent this to Graham and his reaction was

1:06:30

pretty interesting. What he said

1:06:32

>> to me was that um there's a strong

1:06:36

suggestion that the Kufu pyramid might

1:06:38

have been one of the three subsidiary

1:06:41

structures alongside the Great Pyramid's

1:06:42

eastern flank and all that looked like

1:06:44

damaging e evidence against the orthodox

1:06:47

chronology of ancient Egypt. It also

1:06:49

challenged the consensus view that the

1:06:51

Giza pyramids had been built as tombs

1:06:54

and only as tombs. Uh however s uh uh

1:06:58

rather than investigating the statements

1:07:02

u from the stella the Egypt childiffs ch

1:07:05

uh they chose to devalue them in his his

1:07:07

quotes they chose to say h that's just

1:07:09

inconvenient

1:07:10

>> but if it's if they are describing it

1:07:12

that way that that seems like this is a

1:07:17

longstanding tradition of people finding

1:07:20

things that exist. the earth's clearly

1:07:24

eg ancient Egypt itself, dynastic Egypt

1:07:26

is a very complex society, very complex

1:07:29

and very advanced society, even if they

1:07:32

didn't build that stuff. But it seems

1:07:34

like they're saying the restore.

1:07:36

>> Yes. Yes. I I agree with you, Joe. Um

1:07:41

I tell you uh there are um some facts

1:07:45

that we have to observe because I am

1:07:47

used to observe

1:07:50

before I I have I I say something I have

1:07:53

to observe.

1:07:55

So I am not um how you say an expert of

1:08:00

pyramids because I am an engineer. I

1:08:02

work on satellites. I am a space

1:08:05

engineer. I'm I'm not a

1:08:08

an Egyptologist

1:08:10

like that, but I can observe

1:08:15

in inside the pyramids

1:08:19

they found a lot of salt

1:08:25

that were uh attached on the walls. So

1:08:29

they find the salt. Why there is why

1:08:32

there was salt there?

1:08:34

First, second,

1:08:37

the shafts that we are dealing now, if

1:08:40

we want to clean the shafts, why there

1:08:43

is debris? Why they are tapped?

1:08:48

No. So,

1:08:51

if the great flood is a an historical uh

1:08:56

parameter, recognize it. So let's say uh

1:09:01

11 11,000 12,000 years ago let's say

1:09:04

something like that I don't remember

1:09:05

precisely the zeppi which is not

1:09:08

recognized is 36,000 in the past so

1:09:13

between the zepi and the great flood

1:09:17

we can locate the pyramids and the

1:09:20

sphinx.

1:09:22

Wow. So the great flood we're looking at

1:09:26

11,000 plus years ago. Zepte you're

1:09:28

looking at 30,000 plus years ago.

1:09:31

>> Yes, we can say I'm an engineer. I am I

1:09:35

I put myself in the center between 30

1:09:38

36,000 and 11,000. See if you can find

1:09:42

some images of salt in the in the great

1:09:45

pyramids because it it is quite

1:09:47

fascinating and if there was some sort

1:09:50

of a massive rise of sea and massive

1:09:54

flooding which is depicted in every

1:09:57

single ancient religion. Yes.

1:09:59

>> From epic of Gilgamesh to the Hopi talk

1:10:02

about it. I mean it's like almost all

1:10:05

cultures have a story. Obviously Noah

1:10:06

and the ark and the flood in the Bible,

1:10:09

but this salt

1:10:12

>> Joe two months ago I went for the first

1:10:14

time to visit the pyramids and I found

1:10:17

salt on the wall. There is still salt.

1:10:22

>> And you think that salt is probably

1:10:24

because

1:10:24

>> I taste it is of water of uh the sea.

1:10:27

>> Wow.

1:10:28

>> Yes. I forgot to to to to bring it to

1:10:32

you. Not just that, but there's so much

1:10:34

salt that there's still salt there

1:10:37

11,000 years later,

1:10:39

>> which is really extraordinary.

1:10:41

>> And so you think that that salt is

1:10:43

because the entire area was flooded. And

1:10:45

that's the reason why the shafts were

1:10:46

flooded and filled with debris. Yes.

1:10:48

>> Right. Topped off with debris cuz

1:10:51

everything just flooded into there. And

1:10:53

then when the sea receded,

1:10:55

>> you're so many years later, you're left

1:10:57

with salt everywhere.

1:10:58

>> Yeah. And that's why uh the reason that

1:11:01

uh I don't want that people goes to work

1:11:04

inside the shaft because are dangerous

1:11:06

can collapse the the the

1:11:10

debris can collapse because you can have

1:11:12

bubble of of of air and so it's

1:11:15

dangerous

1:11:16

>> right right

1:11:16

>> robots has to go

1:11:18

>> right well it makes more sense robots

1:11:20

are safer and it's also like you

1:11:22

>> so everything is connected the great

1:11:23

flood the zeppy and the pyramids

1:11:26

>> wow if that turns out convinced with

1:11:29

that

1:11:30

>> I I am convinced

1:11:32

>> that maybe 18 I I go in the center 18

1:11:36

18,000 or something like that. 20

1:11:39

between 18,000 and 20,000.

1:11:41

>> Well, what's crazy is I mean that pushes

1:11:43

back that ancient civilization by 14,000

1:11:46

years.

1:11:46

>> Yeah.

1:11:47

>> Which is at least 14,000 years. I mean

1:11:50

John Anthony West thought maybe 30,000

1:11:52

plus years to the construction of the

1:11:54

Sphinx. That's what he thought. And when

1:11:56

Robert Shock from Boston University, the

1:11:58

geologist that started doing work on the

1:12:01

the the pyramid and then excuse me, the

1:12:04

um temple of the Sphinx.

1:12:05

>> The Sphinx. Yes.

1:12:06

>> Yeah. And the water erosion. He's like,

1:12:07

"This is

1:12:08

>> it's vertical."

1:12:09

>> Yes. It's vertical fissures that come

1:12:11

from thousands of years of rainfall. And

1:12:13

the last time there was like significant

1:12:15

rainfall in the Nile Valley like that

1:12:16

was 9,000 years ago.

1:12:18

>> Yeah.

1:12:18

>> So you're dealing with thousands of

1:12:20

years before that of rain to achieve

1:12:23

that kind of erosion. Yes, it is

1:12:25

necessary now when that's why this

1:12:29

research and this activity that hope we

1:12:32

will do it is very important.

1:12:35

>> Yeah, because this it is able to rewrite

1:12:38

everything it mean rewrite everything.

1:12:41

Imagine if you could get something from

1:12:43

down in those shafts in those corridors

1:12:47

something that you could date.

1:12:50

>> Yeah.

1:12:50

>> And you get a date back of 26,000 BC.

1:12:53

you go what

1:12:55

you know I mean this is it's not outside

1:12:58

of the realm of possibility that's

1:12:59

what's so crazy about this it just

1:13:01

really does seem like we are getting

1:13:03

more and more evidence that things are

1:13:07

far older than conventional wisdom than

1:13:11

conventional the conventional narrative

1:13:13

that's taught in schools

1:13:15

>> yes I agree

1:13:17

I agree because uh as I told you before

1:13:21

this is time this is the time to to see

1:13:25

effective what we which is the exact

1:13:28

date of construction who made them and

1:13:31

how they made them.

1:13:33

>> But how could we figure out how they

1:13:34

made it? That's the crazy thing, right?

1:13:37

Because we don't even understand the

1:13:38

technology they used to cut them.

1:13:40

>> Yeah.

1:13:41

>> We don't know what they had. And that's

1:13:43

the other thing. If you're dealing with

1:13:44

something that's 20,000 plus years old,

1:13:47

15,000 years old, what's going to be

1:13:49

left? All the metal's gone. Everything

1:13:52

is eroded. The earth is reclaimed. Most

1:13:54

things really the thing that you have

1:13:56

left is stone which is pretty crazy.

1:14:00

>> Yeah. And uh if we see uh the the rooms

1:14:04

all the structures that are currently

1:14:06

inside let's say the the chaops pyramid

1:14:09

which I I like it a lot. The grand

1:14:11

gallery is very nice fascinating.

1:14:14

They have a precision incredible

1:14:16

precision. All those big huge stones

1:14:20

that com that is composing the grand

1:14:23

gallery is very exciting. I like it a

1:14:25

lot.

1:14:27

>> Did you have uh any sort of fascination

1:14:31

about the pyramids before this or

1:14:34

>> Joe? I remember when I was young, very

1:14:37

young, I used to

1:14:40

uh I had um uh it

1:14:44

uh how you say, I had um a a personal

1:14:48

computer, very old one, and I was always

1:14:51

playing always on um on something that

1:14:55

uh

1:14:57

and there was the pyramids. They were

1:14:59

always the pyramids. And there in that

1:15:03

meantime I I realized that I liked the

1:15:07

pyramids and so I I was very young.

1:15:10

>> So the personal beauty just researching

1:15:12

the pyramids is that what it was like

1:15:14

what do you say just looking at pictures

1:15:15

and images?

1:15:16

>> Yes. Yes. On the pyramids.

1:15:18

>> So you always were fascinated by but did

1:15:19

you have an understanding or even uh any

1:15:22

questions about the timeline of

1:15:24

civilization before this?

1:15:25

>> No. Never.

1:15:26

>> So it only happened within the last few

1:15:28

years.

1:15:28

>> Yes. Yes. Erh I began uh I began uh

1:15:34

working uh so uh being interested on

1:15:36

pyramids uh starting from 2018.

1:15:40

>> So it was right after you started

1:15:42

>> doing this research. Yes.

1:15:44

>> And you started saying okay what is

1:15:45

this?

1:15:46

>> Yeah. And so when you start to to

1:15:49

research on something that that is uh

1:15:55

our history, our past, our origins

1:15:58

because we our origins are there. So we

1:16:01

have to fetch we have to find what there

1:16:04

is there because it is important that uh

1:16:08

we uh it is important to research our

1:16:12

origin because in this meantime humanity

1:16:16

does not know we don't know who we are.

1:16:20

We don't know our origins. We don't know

1:16:23

anything of of who we are. And the most

1:16:27

of the answers can be found in the um

1:16:31

studying the pyramids.

1:16:33

>> Well, it certainly seems to be the

1:16:35

greatest accomplishment that ancient

1:16:37

humans had ever created.

1:16:38

>> Yes.

1:16:39

>> And if these humans were far more

1:16:42

ancient than we currently believe, that

1:16:44

is really really interesting.

1:16:47

>> Yeah. And uh it is for me very it it is

1:16:51

something that I have it always in my

1:16:53

mind

1:16:54

only to know how they did how they cut

1:16:57

the stones how they have transported the

1:17:00

stones and how I don't know how how how

1:17:03

everything how how like what gave them

1:17:06

the idea like were there any

1:17:08

>> previous pyramids cuz it's weird because

1:17:10

the older you go the more complex the

1:17:13

structures are

1:17:14

>> and the newer ones are kind of shitty.

1:17:17

Yes.

1:17:17

>> Yeah.

1:17:19

>> So, okay. So, we went from that we

1:17:21

showed this antenna and it goes into the

1:17:24

supposed sarcophagus and these

1:17:26

vibrations. What other things do you

1:17:27

show in your presentation that are

1:17:29

interesting? Uh I um I showed

1:17:33

principally all the structures that are

1:17:35

uh that are uh under the the Cafra

1:17:38

pyramid and also under each pyramids.

1:17:40

And uh also I described the uh method uh

1:17:46

uh on how going

1:17:50

below without drilling anything. And so

1:17:54

I uh showed them I showed them that

1:17:57

there are the entrances are there on our

1:18:00

eyes. Everyone can see those uh those

1:18:04

shafts. And so why we we we are not

1:18:07

exploring them? Why they are so dirty?

1:18:10

Why they are so without uh any kind of

1:18:14

work of renew methods? Yeah.

1:18:17

>> I don't know why.

1:18:19

>> Well, it seems like there's limited

1:18:21

resources first of all. BS. And also it

1:18:25

seems like Egypt an entire

1:18:28

>> economy is based on tourism. An immense

1:18:31

amount of tourism because it's so

1:18:32

fantastic. There's people from all over

1:18:34

the world make a pilgrimage.

1:18:35

>> I I also I also I also find uh a method

1:18:40

to uh combine so not stopping the the

1:18:45

tourism. No. So it is possible to

1:18:47

combine the work and also the tourism.

1:18:49

So we can delimitate the area inside the

1:18:52

area we work and outside the area safety

1:18:56

all the people can visit the py the Jes

1:18:58

not only that I think it will enhance

1:19:00

tourism because if this speculation

1:19:03

proves to be fruitful and you start

1:19:05

looking under there and you find that

1:19:06

there there is evidence to all this it's

1:19:09

just going to make more people want to

1:19:10

go. Yes, I I agree with you. But you

1:19:13

imagine, Joe,

1:19:15

we will find

1:19:17

the structures that are underneath. No.

1:19:20

And maybe we can try to build a huge uh

1:19:24

lift that carry people downstairs in

1:19:27

safety always. Or maybe not below for a

1:19:30

lot, but at a certain at a certain

1:19:33

depth. So they can also travel along the

1:19:36

horizontal corridors that are present.

1:19:39

And so they go up from the shafts and

1:19:42

they they go they they they go up from

1:19:46

uh to the Cafrey pyramid and they go

1:19:48

away from so the entrance here and they

1:19:51

and they go

1:19:55

intercepting the pyramids.

1:19:56

>> That would be amazing.

1:19:57

>> Yeah. I mean it would just be much more

1:19:59

tourism.

1:20:00

>> Yes.

1:20:00

>> Yeah. And also the all eyes would be on

1:20:03

Egypt. I mean it would probably be a

1:20:05

huge boost to their economy. It would

1:20:07

probably be a huge boost to archaeology

1:20:11

because more young people would get

1:20:12

fascinated by it, want to study it.

1:20:14

>> Yeah. And and imagine imagine also this.

1:20:17

What can we find below

1:20:21

down there? What can what can we find?

1:20:24

This is a question that I am asking

1:20:26

because if we watch the the the the

1:20:29

slide concerning the shaft that I want

1:20:32

to that I want to clean, there are

1:20:34

things inside it. It I am showing that

1:20:39

that that there are things located

1:20:41

inside the uh chamber. Look, there is

1:20:45

something.

1:20:46

>> What What is that?

1:20:47

>> What are you seeing when you we're

1:20:48

talking about the shaft where it goes

1:20:49

all the way down to the bottom and

1:20:51

there's a chamber. Is that what you

1:20:52

mean? That one. Yes.

1:20:55

>> Right there. So that structure that is

1:20:57

at the bottom.

1:20:58

>> What's that? I don't know. Was that

1:21:00

>> right?

1:21:02

>> It's very huge.

1:21:04

>> Very huge. And it's at the bottom of the

1:21:06

shaft.

1:21:08

>> Yeah.

1:21:08

>> Look the horizontal corridors.

1:21:10

>> Mhm.

1:21:12

And so there's more horizontal cor

1:21:15

corridors during the when you traverse

1:21:18

down into the shaft. Then you there's

1:21:20

you intercept

1:21:21

>> right other corridors. And how large are

1:21:24

those corridors?

1:21:25

>> By about 3 m tall.

1:21:28

>> So there's three So there's these 3 m

1:21:30

tall shafts

1:21:32

>> that go to the side. These corridors

1:21:34

that go to the side.

1:21:35

>> Yes.

1:21:36

>> Along the way and then also down at the

1:21:38

very bottom.

1:21:39

>> Yes.

1:21:41

>> And you're convinced of this. This is

1:21:43

all data, right?

1:21:45

Um,

1:21:47

>> and no one has ever sent a camera down

1:21:49

there or anything.

1:21:50

>> Those are human man-made structure like

1:21:53

uh a ring on another ring.

1:21:56

>> Mhm.

1:21:57

>> Look, it is it is very clear, right? If

1:22:00

you observe the structure, those are man

1:22:02

man-made and they go deep, very deep.

1:22:04

And you can see the rubbish that is uh

1:22:06

on the bottom.

1:22:07

>> All the debris.

1:22:08

>> The debris.

1:22:08

>> And that debris you think was a lot of

1:22:10

it because of the flood. I am 100% sure

1:22:14

of this. Yeah. So the pyramids or the

1:22:18

Giza plateau it seems to stop the

1:22:22

functionality the the

1:22:25

working. We don't know which kind of

1:22:27

work

1:22:29

uh were used to do but stopped because

1:22:33

of the great flood. So we can go back in

1:22:36

time in uh 12,000 years ago. And when

1:22:40

people's the people that don't know if

1:22:42

you're hearing this like what great

1:22:43

flood that's just not that's just myth.

1:22:45

There's a thing called the younger dus

1:22:47

impact theory and the younger dry impact

1:22:49

theory group that's been studying this

1:22:51

they now know that there was impacts to

1:22:54

the earth that are allowed around the

1:22:57

11,800

1:22:59

year mark and then I believe I believe

1:23:01

again in the 10,000year range. Uh Randle

1:23:04

Carlson is probably the best guy to talk

1:23:05

to about that, but that they find high

1:23:09

levels of aridium, which is very common

1:23:11

in space and very rare on Earth, but

1:23:13

there's a layer of it. They also find

1:23:16

these nano diamonds uh that they also

1:23:19

discovered during the first Trinity

1:23:21

explosion when they detonated the atomic

1:23:22

bomb. They find these microscopic glass

1:23:25

particles that are created by the

1:23:27

intense explosion interacting with the

1:23:29

sand. So what is it called? Trinitite

1:23:32

trit is that what it's called? What are

1:23:35

those?

1:23:35

>> Nuclear glass. What is that called?

1:23:37

Tritonite. Is that what it's called?

1:23:39

>> Some uh some something related to

1:23:42

vitrification.

1:23:43

>> Yes.

1:23:43

>> Okay.

1:23:44

>> So, this exists all over the world. And

1:23:47

it exists all over the world when they

1:23:49

do a core sample at the same depth.

1:23:51

Yeah.

1:23:51

>> And so this is a very strong scientific

1:23:54

indicator of evidence that we've been

1:23:55

hit.

1:23:56

>> Yes.

1:23:56

>> Yeah.

1:23:57

>> But another scientific indicator is the

1:23:59

debris. Why there is that debris there?

1:24:00

>> Right? Why so much?

1:24:02

>> So much,

1:24:02

>> right? Why so much?

1:24:03

>> If if we do carrotage drilling of that

1:24:06

debris inside the shaft, I don't know

1:24:09

how how how deep we can go. So why there

1:24:12

is all the all that debris there?

1:24:14

>> We don't know,

1:24:15

>> right? But which makes sense if there is

1:24:17

a great flood that fills the pyramid

1:24:19

with salt water. Yes.

1:24:20

>> That it probably washed all that sand

1:24:23

into that gigantic vertical shaft.

1:24:25

>> Yeah.

1:24:26

>> Completely makes sense.

1:24:27

>> Yeah. And I tell you, Joe, we if we do

1:24:30

the chemical chemical a chemical

1:24:33

exploration of that debris, we can find

1:24:36

also a certain density of salt because

1:24:40

were mixed in the past by salty water

1:24:43

and debris and soil also.

1:24:46

>> Also, you could get dirt from the very

1:24:48

bottom. Yeah. And get some sort of

1:24:50

organic material and carbonate that. And

1:24:53

maybe you can get an understanding of

1:24:55

like maybe when stuff was washed down to

1:24:57

the bottom of that shaft.

1:24:59

>> Very interesting. Yeah. Yes, it's

1:25:01

possible. Can be possible.

1:25:02

>> Crazy if they did that and it lines up

1:25:04

directly with the younger gi impact

1:25:06

theory. I mean, that would be incredible

1:25:09

evidence.

1:25:10

>> Either way, just what it is that we know

1:25:14

that there's immense shafts. We know

1:25:16

that they go many, many meters deep into

1:25:18

the earth. And we know that there's

1:25:20

these horizontal shafts along the way.

1:25:22

Hey, these corridors along the way, like

1:25:24

all of it is just nuts.

1:25:29

>> We [laughter]

1:25:30

saw I was looking at the Osiris shaft

1:25:32

here. Um the shaft.

1:25:34

>> Mhm.

1:25:35

>> Okay.

1:25:35

>> Just near these other ones. Uh when they

1:25:38

found it, there was water down there.

1:25:39

They had to get out. And the water is

1:25:42

not only cold, ice cold. It says it's

1:25:45

clean enough to be drinking water.

1:25:47

>> Whoa.

1:25:47

>> And I don't know that it doesn't It

1:25:49

sounded like it refills itself. Oh, so

1:25:51

there's a spring down there. Well, that

1:25:54

is also the problem with the labyrinth.

1:25:56

So, the labyrinth that they have where

1:25:59

there's this enormous atrium and this 40

1:26:02

m long metallic object that apparently

1:26:04

is underneath there. And this is through

1:26:05

ground penetrating radar that they

1:26:06

discover this. I don't think they know

1:26:08

what that metal is either. I think it's

1:26:10

an unknown metal. But they built a dam

1:26:14

there I believe in the 1960s and to help

1:26:17

the farmers and unfortunately that

1:26:19

flooded that whole area. So because they

1:26:21

changed the direction of the water and

1:26:23

built this dam the water table rose

1:26:26

>> and that entire labyrinth is now filled

1:26:28

with water.

1:26:30

>> But through ground penetrating radar

1:26:32

they've been able to get this accurate

1:26:33

assessment of the dimensions of it. And

1:26:35

then they go back to the descriptions of

1:26:36

Herodotus who described it. See if you

1:26:39

can pull that up. uh Herodotus described

1:26:42

it as greater than the Giza plateau

1:26:44

itself. So these labyrinths, these

1:26:47

corridors, these atriums, these huge

1:26:49

passageways underneath the the Great

1:26:52

Pyramid area more complex and more

1:26:56

spectacular than the pyramids

1:26:57

themselves.

1:26:58

>> Yes.

1:26:59

>> My god.

1:27:00

>> My god. Like what was this civilization?

1:27:03

These people living in Africa however

1:27:06

long ago were so much more advanced than

1:27:09

perhaps anybody that's ever existed

1:27:11

including us just in a different way.

1:27:14

Including us just in a different way. H

1:27:17

just to remark the fact Joe that there

1:27:19

is difference between the water table

1:27:22

which which of course is composed by

1:27:24

drinkable water and the water that they

1:27:27

found uh compounding the uh the Osiris

1:27:31

shaft and the water that transported all

1:27:35

the debris but that water was uh uh uh

1:27:39

salty water because of the great flood.

1:27:42

So it was uh water um of the sea

1:27:45

composing the sea

1:27:47

>> which makes sense when you see the salt

1:27:48

that's all over the pyramids. This is

1:27:50

Herodotus's quote. I've seen it myself

1:27:52

and indeed words cannot describe it.

1:27:54

Though the pyramids beg description and

1:27:57

each one of them is a match for many

1:27:59

great monuments built by Greeks, this

1:28:01

maze surpasses even the pyramids.

1:28:05

That is crazy. That's crazy that he said

1:28:09

that. And if have you ever seen any of

1:28:11

the artistic renditions of what it looks

1:28:13

like?

1:28:13

>> Uh, no. But

1:28:14

>> see if you can find some of that because

1:28:16

we did it. If anybody's interested in

1:28:18

this, I can't recommend enough.

1:28:20

Uncharted X. It's Ben Van Kirkwick.

1:28:23

>> This is what apparently is underneath

1:28:25

this area,

1:28:27

which is just [ __ ] staggering.

1:28:30

>> Wow. How nice.

1:28:31

>> This is all underground. And so I think

1:28:33

we the next uh the next um uh site that

1:28:38

we can study can be this.

1:28:40

>> Yeah.

1:28:41

>> Yeah. And a

1:28:42

>> and if you could find out what that 40 m

1:28:45

long metallic object is, that's that's

1:28:47

when things get weird. That's when

1:28:49

things get real weird cuz you find a

1:28:51

spaceship down there.

1:28:54

[laughter]

1:28:56

Then things get really fun. [gasps]

1:28:58

I mean, we're Egyptian space travelers.

1:29:00

[laughter]

1:29:01

Why not? I mean, if they could build

1:29:03

that, why not space? Who knows what they

1:29:05

could do? They're lying in a gigantic

1:29:08

stone box tripping balls. They have this

1:29:11

huge pyramid. This the structures go how

1:29:15

long? A kilometer. The entire thing into

1:29:17

the earth. [laughter]

1:29:18

>> 1.2

1:29:19

>> 1.2 kilometers into the earth. From the

1:29:21

base of the pyramid down 1.2 km.

1:29:25

>> Wow.

1:29:26

>> Wow.

1:29:26

>> Wow. This has changed. I mean, from 2018

1:29:30

to now, from you researching this and

1:29:33

does this change your entire perspective

1:29:36

of human history and and just human

1:29:38

beings in general?

1:29:41

>> In my personal opinion, yes. Because uh

1:29:45

before this was a problem accepting how

1:29:48

the pyramids were made, all those

1:29:51

stones. But if we can if we if we are

1:29:55

adding also the structures that are

1:29:57

underneath I don't know what happens

1:30:00

>> more impossible than before

1:30:02

>> right

1:30:04

more impossible than I mean if you'd

1:30:07

imagine with modern technology trying to

1:30:10

recreate something like that you're

1:30:11

talking about an immense project that

1:30:12

would cost

1:30:13

>> hundreds of billions of dollars

1:30:15

>> if not more

1:30:17

>> and the engineering involved in it

1:30:20

you're an engineer the engineering

1:30:21

involved olved in doing something like

1:30:22

that like

1:30:24

>> how

1:30:25

>> how they can cut the granite so

1:30:27

precisely is impossible is impossible

1:30:29

also today is impossible.

1:30:32

>> So they had some sort of a technology

1:30:34

that is far more advanced than we have.

1:30:36

They just went in a different direction.

1:30:39

We went in the direction of internal

1:30:40

combustion engines and electronics

1:30:43

>> and they probably went in some

1:30:44

completely different direction.

1:30:46

>> Yeah. Yes. Because uh the modern science

1:30:50

started from a point and then as you you

1:30:54

are you are saying right we we followed

1:30:57

the a direction which is the direction

1:31:00

of light because most of the our

1:31:04

inventions our yes internal combustion

1:31:08

uh engines and uh uh and other stuff but

1:31:13

principally we use light because we can

1:31:16

see

1:31:16

We can see it. We can see light. Okay,

1:31:18

we use light. But

1:31:21

other other existence, other people that

1:31:25

that was uh uh living in the past maybe

1:31:30

use other things that we don't know.

1:31:32

>> Maybe sound.

1:31:33

>> Maybe sound.

1:31:34

>> Well, it seems like it if this is

1:31:36

generating sound and vibration, if your

1:31:38

speculation is correct,

1:31:40

>> yes,

1:31:40

>> that they were obsessed with vibration

1:31:42

and sound. Yes, they were obsessed in

1:31:46

vibrations and sound because all the

1:31:50

structures that I that I watched inside

1:31:53

the inside the pyramids,

1:31:56

they are like something that generates

1:31:59

sound or they maintain

1:32:02

clean the sound.

1:32:04

>> It resonates sound echoes. It has a very

1:32:07

specific echo to it.

1:32:08

>> The zed like that is is magnificent. The

1:32:12

Zet is a is perfect. It's a perfect

1:32:15

device made by stones. It's very nice.

1:32:21

And just how how and where did they get

1:32:25

the understanding to construct something

1:32:27

like this? And this this is what screws

1:32:31

up our idea of a linear timeline of

1:32:34

human progression in civilization to go

1:32:37

from caveman to modern 2026 human being.

1:32:41

We like to think that it was just, oh,

1:32:43

we figured this out, then we figured the

1:32:44

wheel out, then it was agriculture. Now

1:32:46

here we are today with cars,

1:32:48

>> but more likely there was some peaks and

1:32:51

valleys. We rose up to a very high level

1:32:54

probably during Egypt and it was

1:32:55

shattered down and it took probably a

1:32:57

long time before civilization rebuilt

1:33:00

itself again.

1:33:00

>> Yes, Joe. And then we are we are

1:33:03

speaking about modern living but modern

1:33:06

living has to be sustainable,

1:33:09

>> right? I don't think that our modern

1:33:11

living is so sustainable.

1:33:13

>> No,

1:33:14

>> no.

1:33:15

>> I mean, even our population isn't

1:33:17

sustainable.

1:33:18

>> We're in population collapse in many

1:33:21

countries in the world, South Korea,

1:33:23

Japan, even there's arguments about

1:33:25

America itself

1:33:26

>> that we're in population collapse.

1:33:28

>> Yeah.

1:33:28

>> And we're also chaotic. We we also have

1:33:33

a very bizarre distribution of

1:33:34

information that's filled with nonsense

1:33:36

and lies and propaganda.

1:33:38

>> Yes. lies and propaganda. Yes,

1:33:39

>> we have the government that's constantly

1:33:41

trying to censor people and control

1:33:42

speech and limit your ability to express

1:33:45

yourself and complain about things so

1:33:46

they can continue to dominate resources.

1:33:48

You have a we have a weird society

1:33:51

today, but it's also a society because

1:33:53

of this access to information where you

1:33:56

can discuss and explore things in a way

1:33:58

that has never happened before. And that

1:34:02

is that's the most exciting thing about

1:34:04

our time. Yeah. Because there's so much

1:34:06

room for discussion. I I want to if if I

1:34:10

can um to explain you something that is

1:34:14

maybe related to philosophy or or to

1:34:17

other things.

1:34:19

Erh,

1:34:21

we have an example of how uh um

1:34:27

modern humans are a bit strange because

1:34:30

we we are not uh made it it is like that

1:34:34

we are not made to research uh to or to

1:34:38

find the uh harmonics the harmonics in

1:34:44

our living.

1:34:46

And so uh I just want to make you an

1:34:49

example the uh do you remember in the

1:34:53

80s when the uh cold fusion rises?

1:34:57

>> Yeah.

1:34:57

>> So

1:34:58

>> maybe we we we are speaking about

1:35:00

fleshman and pawns that made for the

1:35:03

first time they they they had a glass of

1:35:06

water and inside they made a a mini

1:35:09

nuclear reaction reactor inside. They

1:35:12

had some results that were very very

1:35:14

poor results. I know but was a base to

1:35:19

build something stronger.

1:35:21

They put away that that experiment. So

1:35:24

no they debunk that experiment. It was

1:35:28

not good. It is not good because it is

1:35:30

not possible.

1:35:32

And the example of the cold fusion is

1:35:36

how we are because cold fusion was

1:35:41

devoted to find the energy using

1:35:44

resonance.

1:35:46

Resonance why how it works called

1:35:50

fusion. We have two atoms of uh um of

1:35:55

hydrogen. we start

1:35:58

erh um

1:36:01

uh we start putting together these two

1:36:04

atoms but while we put together these

1:36:07

two atoms the there are the atomic

1:36:09

forces that tends to no I don't want to

1:36:11

stay with the other atom so but then

1:36:14

there is a limit that the atoms fuse

1:36:17

together and it transform it is they are

1:36:21

transformed in helium plus energy

1:36:24

because of of mass the mass difference

1:36:27

and so you can do energy by fusion. This

1:36:30

is fusion not cold fusion. So you can

1:36:33

have a fusion by forcing together the

1:36:38

atoms that they don't want to stay

1:36:40

together. So the force force together

1:36:45

and this that is hot yes that that is

1:36:48

hot fusion. Cold fusion you convince the

1:36:52

two atoms to stay together naturally.

1:36:56

Okay. So today

1:37:00

uh

1:37:00

>> what method do they use to convince

1:37:01

these atoms to stay together naturally?

1:37:03

>> Yes. You you have to find a third

1:37:07

material that convince the two atom to

1:37:10

stay together. Like you say I have a

1:37:13

couple you have a couple a girl and a

1:37:15

man they don't they don't want to talk

1:37:18

one to each other. If you put a a third

1:37:21

person

1:37:23

uh between them at the center of them

1:37:26

and she and maybe a third person

1:37:30

convince the man and the girl to speak

1:37:32

together and they will speak together.

1:37:35

Okay. So the third material which is

1:37:38

paladium they use paladium. Paladium has

1:37:42

the a physical property to make speak

1:37:46

together the two atoms and without force

1:37:50

them they naturally transform into

1:37:53

helium and they and they generate energy

1:37:57

because the helium has a mass lower than

1:38:00

the two atoms with mass difference you

1:38:03

will

1:38:04

>> you will generate energy

1:38:06

>> and doing this at scale is really the

1:38:08

holy grail of modern science And this

1:38:10

has always been the quest.

1:38:11

>> Yes. So we have two paradigma.

1:38:14

Convincing something or obtaining the

1:38:18

results using the force. And so the the

1:38:21

street that you were speaking before

1:38:25

science

1:38:27

had this street. We want to have things

1:38:32

by using force not convincing.

1:38:36

>> Right. And that's where we are. That's

1:38:38

nuclear power. Yes.

1:38:39

>> Nuclear energy.

1:38:42

>> Yes. Because h

1:38:45

I tell you today

1:38:48

also hot

1:38:50

nuclear fusion does not exist

1:38:53

because it is very difficult to to make

1:38:57

a a huge reactor that use the tokamax or

1:39:02

something related to laser that uses

1:39:05

that that forces together the atoms to

1:39:08

it's something not natural

1:39:10

>> right

1:39:10

>> cold fusion was natural And so the

1:39:12

pyramids are something related to

1:39:14

vibrations, to harmonic resonance, to

1:39:17

something like that that

1:39:20

>> it is the the right creation. That was

1:39:23

the past.

1:39:24

>> They were the right creation. They they

1:39:26

were they were doing it the correct way.

1:39:28

Yes. Instead of doing it against nature,

1:39:30

they were doing it in harmony with

1:39:31

nature.

1:39:31

>> In harmony with the nature and in the

1:39:33

universe. And that's why all the

1:39:35

dimensions are related to the constants

1:39:38

of the universe. The universe is like a

1:39:40

book that is open. We have to just

1:39:42

observe it. It is not difficult. It's

1:39:45

very simple to read the universe.

1:39:48

>> Okay. Show me more. Show me more of this

1:39:50

uh presentation.

1:39:52

>> What else do you have in here? When you

1:39:54

go from from the the cap with the sound

1:39:58

resonating into the supposed

1:40:00

sarcophagus. Yes. What else?

1:40:02

>> Yes, we can go to that slide.

1:40:09

This stuff is awesome. This is my

1:40:10

favorite subject by far out of all

1:40:13

subjects. Ancient history and

1:40:15

particularly ancient Egypt is my

1:40:16

favorite subject.

1:40:17

>> Okay, we stopped to speak.

1:40:19

>> This is so undeniably interesting. H if

1:40:22

we can go a slide up. Uh here look here

1:40:27

we are dealing with something that uh uh

1:40:29

happened uh in 202022

1:40:33

after this uh after our our paper was

1:40:37

published because these results are on

1:40:39

our first paper. Look Joe

1:40:43

that slide there that that lower. Yes.

1:40:46

>> Yes.

1:40:48

You depict chambers that were previously

1:40:51

not known.

1:40:52

>> Yeah. Right.

1:40:53

>> That's the big void.

1:40:54

>> Right. The big void.

1:40:55

>> That's the big void. And then there is

1:40:57

the chevron

1:41:00

connecting with the corridor,

1:41:03

the base of the grand gallery. That

1:41:07

corridor was discovered six months later

1:41:11

by Zakyawas.

1:41:13

>> Wow.

1:41:14

They made the paper but uh they I I

1:41:19

depicted six months

1:41:21

before.

1:41:22

>> So you let them know it was there and

1:41:23

then

1:41:24

>> that's the corridor. That's the

1:41:25

corridor.

1:41:25

>> You found it. [laughter]

1:41:28

>> That's the corridor. Yeah.

1:41:29

>> I don't want to say that I found it, but

1:41:32

>> Well, you found it. I'll say it. You

1:41:34

found it.

1:41:35

>> So your technology

1:41:38

showed something that turned out to be

1:41:40

true and is now established.

1:41:42

>> Yes. And again, how crazy is it? They're

1:41:45

just finding new chambers in the

1:41:46

pyramids in the 21st century.

1:41:50

>> Uh,

1:41:51

>> pretty spectacular that they're just

1:41:52

finding this now.

1:41:55

>> And just yesterday, I was to examinate

1:41:57

it again there. I don't have it. I don't

1:42:00

have a slides here. I'm I am sorry. But

1:42:03

there are the results of the scam

1:42:06

pyramid project. The scam pyramid visual

1:42:08

is very good. I it is a they are it is a

1:42:12

very nice uh project project uh group

1:42:17

and they discovered the uh the so-called

1:42:20

um big void

1:42:23

but uh there is a problem because they

1:42:26

say the big void can be something

1:42:28

parallel to the grand gallery so not

1:42:32

steady but inclined like inclined

1:42:35

>> and inclined right

1:42:37

>> examinating results.

1:42:42

I was observing something.

1:42:45

Maybe I say maybe I can say that I am

1:42:48

right of this. Maybe they are they they

1:42:52

are mis they are confusing an inclined

1:42:56

new chamber

1:42:57

by the top of the they are

1:43:01

distinguishing the top of the grand

1:43:03

gallery and the bottom of the grand

1:43:06

gallery like that. I observed the

1:43:09

results but in my personal opinion

1:43:13

the big void is not inclined but it is

1:43:17

located where there is that red blob

1:43:20

there.

1:43:21

>> Mhm.

1:43:21

>> That's the the grand gallery. Yes.

1:43:23

There. And also up. Yes. That's the

1:43:26

grand gallery. It is not inclined. Is is

1:43:29

flat like that. Is how you say is um

1:43:33

steady not inclined.

1:43:34

>> Right.

1:43:35

>> Um

1:43:36

>> that's the grand. Why do they think it's

1:43:38

at an incline?

1:43:39

>> Because we are not seeing we are not my

1:43:43

technique does not detect is not

1:43:45

detecting an inclined uh chamber on the

1:43:50

top of the grand gallery.

1:43:51

>> Why do they think there's an incline?

1:43:53

>> Yes, because they found two targets

1:43:56

parallel. But I am feeling to tell them

1:44:01

to be careful because maybe they are

1:44:04

confusing the roof of the Grand Gallery

1:44:06

and the and the lower part of the Grand

1:44:10

Gallery.

1:44:10

>> I see.

1:44:11

>> Okay. They have to be careful.

1:44:14

>> Interesting. But it's just also more

1:44:18

evidence that your techniques are very

1:44:20

effective and accurate

1:44:22

because you did desri describe you have

1:44:25

>> we can see the the the results that uh I

1:44:30

uh that I um obtained on the granaso. We

1:44:34

can see the granaso and the laboratory

1:44:36

of granaso. That is the a perfect um uh

1:44:42

benchmark that describes the effective

1:44:45

effectiveness of my technique.

1:44:47

>> All right. Show me some more. What else

1:44:48

you got here?

1:44:51

Show me another slide.

1:44:55

>> Uh below I think. Ah okay. Okay. We go

1:44:58

to Gubio. This is a a town where I live.

1:45:03

I am uh

1:45:05

>> this is Saxan. Sakahan. Yes, this is

1:45:07

Sakahaman. And uh here I am showing you

1:45:11

the next uh work that we uh can do uh

1:45:16

once the Jiza scanning activity are

1:45:19

finished it.

1:45:20

>> So this is in Peru, correct? Yes.

1:45:23

>> And so you want to scan this as well

1:45:26

because uh you know we've had quite a

1:45:27

few people on describe this.

1:45:29

>> Yes. Look, Joe, the stones are like mash

1:45:32

marshmallows.

1:45:33

>> Yes,

1:45:34

>> they are like marshmallows. How they did

1:45:36

those those

1:45:38

>> right

1:45:39

>> those things there?

1:45:40

>> Enormous. Some of them hundred tons

1:45:44

>> carve from stones that who knows how

1:45:47

they put them into position, but they

1:45:49

carved them in this very strange way to

1:45:51

absorb the impact of earthquakes. Right.

1:45:54

The idea of this technology is that the

1:45:56

reason why they're like a puzzle piece

1:45:57

is because it would be much less likely

1:46:00

to move in an intense earthquake.

1:46:03

>> Okay.

1:46:06

Go back

1:46:08

just a few words on this city that is

1:46:12

small town that is located in Peruja

1:46:15

where I live.

1:46:17

Um uh look um uh the the Italian the

1:46:22

authority of this of the city of the

1:46:24

town asked me to perform a scanning

1:46:28

around that colosum that mini colosum

1:46:32

that is located in Gubio because

1:46:34

probably there is a huge Roman city not

1:46:38

so old but it is a Roman city that

1:46:41

compounds that arena that is there. M so

1:46:46

a lost Roman city that's around that

1:46:49

area.

1:46:49

>> Yes. Yes.

1:46:51

And I say hello to the people of Gubio.

1:46:54

[laughter]

1:46:55

>> So is this the next thing that you're

1:46:57

going to do?

1:46:57

>> Uh

1:46:58

>> one of the next things.

1:46:59

>> One of the next.

1:46:59

>> But Sakai Huan is also Yes.

1:47:02

>> Yeah.

1:47:02

>> Ah and there is also

1:47:05

Carakora also. Very interesting. The the

1:47:08

slide 51 please.

1:47:12

Yes. Yes. Carakora. Yes. This this is

1:47:18

located in Russia and there are

1:47:22

huge structures inside there.

1:47:26

And uh

1:47:27

>> this is in Russia.

1:47:29

>> Yes. Yes. And nobody knows the the

1:47:32

purpose of the of those things there.

1:47:33

Nobody. It's crazy. More than crazy.

1:47:38

>> And how big are these [clears throat]

1:47:39

things? Can you keep that up there?

1:47:40

>> Find other pictures of it so you see

1:47:42

what it look like. Just keep this up

1:47:43

just for a couple seconds. I just like

1:47:44

how how big are we what are we looking

1:47:46

at here?

1:47:47

>> Yes, we have 9 + 16 + 7 + 10 plus 36 and

1:47:53

they go below. So maybe two or 300 m

1:47:56

below

1:47:57

>> two or 300 m and there's this immense

1:48:00

rectangle at the bottom of these

1:48:01

corridors.

1:48:02

>> Yeah. And and it goes more more deeply

1:48:06

and so they nobody knows what there is.

1:48:09

And if you look at that image, it's

1:48:11

clearly a man-made structure.

1:48:13

>> It's man-made. Absolutely. Yes.

1:48:14

>> I mean, look, there's stones. They're

1:48:16

they're placed.

1:48:16

>> Yeah.

1:48:18

>> That is nuts.

1:48:20

>> That's crazy.

1:48:20

>> And they don't they there's no

1:48:22

historical timeline, no understanding of

1:48:24

who did it.

1:48:25

>> No.

1:48:26

>> Wow.

1:48:28

So, it's likely that there's structures

1:48:30

like this that exist that are

1:48:32

undiscovered probably all over the

1:48:34

world.

1:48:34

>> Yeah. Yes. The the nice thing of this is

1:48:40

is this satellites are global globally.

1:48:45

So one satellite flies from let's say

1:48:49

south pole north pole south south pole

1:48:53

like that

1:48:54

>> right

1:48:54

>> because of the angular momentum

1:48:56

conservation

1:48:58

the let's say the wheel of the orbit

1:49:03

remains steady and the earth rotates

1:49:07

inside this circle the circle remains

1:49:10

steady like that. So at least once a

1:49:14

day, one satellite can observe

1:49:18

potentially any part of the globe in one

1:49:21

day.

1:49:21

>> M

1:49:22

>> so you can program snapshots where you

1:49:26

want in all the earth in one day.

1:49:29

>> And how [clears throat] many satellites

1:49:31

are up there? Ah there are uh uh the

1:49:33

satellites that uh contains on board of

1:49:36

them

1:49:38

a payload

1:49:40

uh composed by a synthetic version

1:49:42

rather there are a lot there are

1:49:45

different satellites companies that uh

1:49:48

provides these services.

1:49:51

So uh today it is possible to decide to

1:49:55

observe something. Okay. I call the

1:49:58

company and they put case for me an

1:50:00

image.

1:50:01

>> And this structure in Russia, how was

1:50:04

this initially discovered? Was it

1:50:06

discovered by explorers?

1:50:07

>> Manually by explorers

1:50:08

>> manually. Yes. And how did they get the

1:50:10

dimensions of it? Are people able to go

1:50:12

all the way down into it?

1:50:13

>> That man because there is only a a a man

1:50:17

that went down because it's very narrow.

1:50:20

But once you go down be everything

1:50:22

becomes very huge and large. Measure it

1:50:25

manually all those depths. But more

1:50:29

there than then you can't go because

1:50:31

maybe it's too narrow. I don't know.

1:50:34

He's okay.

1:50:35

>> Did you find any images of that Jamie

1:50:37

online?

1:50:38

>> I'm looking into something.

1:50:40

I'm stuck in a hole. Hold on.

1:50:43

>> Someone was sort of saying it's in a

1:50:44

different spot and now I try to track it

1:50:46

down. These are also weirdly only

1:50:48

getting talked about over the last

1:50:49

month. So I am digging down a different

1:50:52

path.

1:50:52

>> When did they discover this?

1:50:54

>> This I don't remember.

1:50:56

>> 2011.

1:50:57

>> 2011.

1:50:58

>> That's crazy.

1:50:59

>> The fact that they don't know who made

1:51:01

it or why,

1:51:02

>> but it is clearly man-made. You're

1:51:05

seeing these stones perfectly cut

1:51:07

stacked on top of each other.

1:51:08

>> Yes. And you have the same uh

1:51:12

>> Oh, okay. It says it's currently known

1:51:14

from fringe social media and YouTube

1:51:16

style sources rather than former

1:51:17

archaeological publications because it

1:51:19

hasn't been explored. Correct.

1:51:21

>> Yeah. It's 15 years ago though.

1:51:22

>> Yeah. Pretty pretty nuts. But I mean,

1:51:24

who's doing that kind of work in Russia,

1:51:26

especially now? Deep underground shaft

1:51:29

lined with large parallel megalithic

1:51:31

stone blocks with walls described as

1:51:33

straight and polished suggest suggest

1:51:36

artificial construction rather than a

1:51:38

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all of our questions through and it's

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always been very accurate. Said to lie

1:51:48

somewhere between in the Russian Caucus,

1:51:50

often simply uh described simply as

1:51:53

North Cauus or Cauus Mountains uh with

1:51:56

videos and posts presenting it as

1:51:58

evidence of unknown or very ancient

1:51:59

civilization with advanced stonework

1:52:01

techniques.

1:52:03

Crazy that they don't know who made

1:52:05

this. There's no accessible

1:52:07

peer-reviewed archaeological articles,

1:52:09

official Russian heritage records, or

1:52:11

academic monographs that describe the

1:52:13

site formally named the Carahora. Is am

1:52:17

I saying that right? Carora

1:52:19

>> Kahora shaft.

1:52:20

>> Caror shaft, which strongly suggests the

1:52:22

claim has not been vetted by mainstream

1:52:24

archaeology, but you know, look, it

1:52:26

exists.

1:52:27

>> Whether it's vetted or not, it doesn't

1:52:28

matter like what who made it? What is

1:52:31

it?

1:52:32

>> Nuts. That's really crazy. I had no idea

1:52:36

that that existed. [laughter]

1:52:38

>> And it just it makes you think like if

1:52:40

they just found that in 2011 and

1:52:43

>> manually,

1:52:43

>> right,

1:52:44

>> and maybe doing a a wide a wide uh

1:52:48

research by satellites, maybe starting

1:52:50

from there or other sites

1:52:54

between that that Kahora, maybe we will

1:52:56

find other things,

1:52:57

>> right? It could be a part of an enormous

1:52:59

complex. I mean, who knows? But just the

1:53:01

fact that that exists and that a human

1:53:04

made that or humans made that, that's

1:53:06

crazy.

1:53:08

The whole thing is crazy because it

1:53:10

really like anybody that boy the modern

1:53:12

archaeologists and people that are the

1:53:14

gatekeepers of archaeological

1:53:15

information are fighting an uphill

1:53:17

battle because like you can't at at a

1:53:20

certain point in time you have to give

1:53:21

up and go I don't know. And that's an I

1:53:23

don't know moment like

1:53:24

>> yes this and I don't know.

1:53:26

>> What the hell is that?

1:53:27

>> What is that? I don't Show me some more

1:53:29

images, Jamie, cuz it's really kooky

1:53:31

>> of the shaft.

1:53:32

>> Yeah, just that what that looks like.

1:53:33

>> That's I'm trying to It's I'm digging

1:53:35

down a hole and it there's a post here

1:53:37

on

1:53:38

>> Yes, there are.

1:53:39

>> This is a like they're misinterpreting

1:53:41

something.

1:53:42

>> This is Jay Anderson who's been on the

1:53:44

podcast recently.

1:53:45

>> This is the tweet I found. Uh how about

1:53:46

some fat chunk car um in the kab

1:53:51

cabardino bulria republic north caucus

1:53:55

of the Russian Federation is a different

1:53:57

place from carakoto

1:53:59

so carora and carako so there's more

1:54:02

than one place

1:54:03

>> I'm I'm trying to I haven't I'm just

1:54:05

googling stuff it's it all comes from

1:54:07

this one video it seems like because

1:54:08

everyone's pointing to this video and

1:54:10

this video is compiled of all sorts of

1:54:12

stuff

1:54:13

>> it's got 3 million views from 2024

1:54:15

forest. I can see how it goes when it

1:54:17

went viral, you know.

1:54:18

>> Mhm.

1:54:18

>> But, uh, it starts off with just showing

1:54:22

that and I don't, you know,

1:54:23

>> so this is probably the entry to this

1:54:25

area

1:54:25

>> maybe. But again, no one knows they

1:54:27

can't tell you where that is like on a

1:54:29

map,

1:54:30

>> right? Got it.

1:54:31

>> Look how precise they are.

1:54:33

>> So, I this might be

1:54:36

>> who knows.

1:54:36

>> Yeah. Could be real, could be nonsense.

1:54:38

Well, the the images of that guy

1:54:39

standing there looking outside of that

1:54:42

opening that you showed earlier in your

1:54:44

presentation is just bananas. But

1:54:47

whatever this is is

1:54:48

>> that's I don't know where it's from. You

1:54:50

know, it could be

1:54:50

>> right. Do they have any video of once

1:54:52

they got all the way down through? So

1:54:54

here. Okay, let's keep going. See what

1:54:57

it looks like.

1:54:59

>> And I don't even know.

1:55:02

>> Yeah. So someone else has done narration

1:55:04

on it. Mhm.

1:55:06

>> It's coming from a different channel. I

1:55:08

can see a tag on there. It's coming from

1:55:09

a different show.

1:55:10

>> God, look at the right angles, though.

1:55:12

This is nuts.

1:55:13

>> Yes.

1:55:14

>> I mean, it's clearly looks like

1:55:15

something man-made. [clears throat]

1:55:18

Look how precise they are.

1:55:19

>> Yeah, it's crazy.

1:55:21

>> That's man-made. It's absolutely

1:55:22

man-made.

1:55:25

There are also a comparison what with

1:55:27

the with the dimensions of the

1:55:29

dimensions.

1:55:30

>> Wow. What the hell is that?

1:55:35

That means what the hell is that? It's

1:55:37

crazy. And they found it in 2011. Yeah.

1:55:39

>> I mean, imagine how much more of this

1:55:41

stuff.

1:55:42

>> I mean, that's one of the things about

1:55:44

Gob Beckley. They've only observed 5% of

1:55:46

it.

1:55:47

>> I mean, 5% of it they've uncovered and

1:55:49

and through ground penetrating radar,

1:55:51

they know of multiple sites nearby.

1:55:53

>> Yes. But ground penetrated radar has a

1:55:55

problem.

1:55:56

>> What is the problem? The problem of

1:55:57

ground penetrating radar is uh the

1:56:01

penetration depth is few meters enough.

1:56:05

>> So it's a pro there is a problem of

1:56:07

penetration depth but

1:56:10

in that depth you are very precise. So

1:56:12

you have to take into account that more

1:56:15

than 15 20 m you below you can't go

1:56:19

>> right but using that method they have

1:56:23

found all these structures that exist.

1:56:25

It's a good method uh for uh in C2

1:56:28

exploration. Yes. And so you can find

1:56:31

nice things with using ground

1:56:33

penetrating radar if you want to to

1:56:37

perform a wide area uh rough uh let's

1:56:41

say rough um uh scanning uh you you can

1:56:45

use my method. So you can you can find

1:56:48

huge things on wide area. for the the

1:56:52

details. It's okay. Ground penetrating

1:56:54

radar.

1:56:55

>> Um, is there anything else you want to

1:56:56

show us that's in your presentation that

1:56:58

you think Okay, show me some more stuff.

1:57:00

>> Yes, it's a pleasure.

1:57:01

>> Yeah, please. It's a pleasure for me,

1:57:02

too. Thank you. Thank you for being

1:57:04

here.

1:57:05

>> Okay,

1:57:06

>> thank you for inviting.

1:57:07

>> Uh, Carora, is that how you say it?

1:57:09

Carora. Kora.

1:57:11

>> Carakora.

1:57:11

>> Carakora.

1:57:13

>> So, this is a carora. So, that image, go

1:57:15

back one more time to carora. That, so

1:57:17

that's a legitimate image. That's not AI

1:57:19

generated. This is This is these guys

1:57:22

standing in

1:57:24

>> clearly what looks like megalithic

1:57:26

stones stacked on top of each other.

1:57:28

>> Clearly man-made.

1:57:30

>> Yes. Clearly man-made because look, you

1:57:31

see

1:57:32

>> Yes.

1:57:32

>> You see the blocks?

1:57:33

>> Yeah. You see the blocks? It's [ __ ]

1:57:35

nuts.

1:57:37

>> No, but okay, we can we can understand

1:57:39

that it's possible maybe it's possible

1:57:41

to build something like that.

1:57:42

>> Sure, it's possible.

1:57:43

>> The purpose,

1:57:44

>> right? The purpose and when and who and

1:57:46

what civilization,

1:57:48

>> right? Like who did that? That's That is

1:57:50

insane.

1:57:52

>> What even is that?

1:57:53

>> What even is that? Yeah. I mean, there's

1:57:56

ropes that go across and that's what

1:57:58

you're seeing.

1:57:59

>> And you're seeing

1:58:00

>> that rope go where's his arm and where

1:58:01

does the rope go to?

1:58:02

>> Well, he's got his arm posted on the

1:58:04

side of that wall and that rope goes

1:58:06

across and you're just not seeing it

1:58:07

because of the darkness.

1:58:08

>> Is that like he's leaning against

1:58:10

something there, too?

1:58:11

>> Uh, it looks like he's got his hand on

1:58:12

that wall. That opening. There's an

1:58:14

opening in that shaft. Um, so what else

1:58:17

is next in this in this presentation?

1:58:20

>> Okay.

1:58:21

>> Yeah. Which way should I go?

1:58:23

>> Okay, we go upstairs. Let's see.

1:58:26

Go back. Then we have Gubio. And there

1:58:29

here we have the Osaris shafts which we

1:58:31

use this shaft, the Osaris shaft like a

1:58:34

benchmark because we we are able to

1:58:37

understand the effectiveness of our

1:58:40

technique that is able to retrive the

1:58:42

shape of the osaris shaft. Why the

1:58:44

shaft? because it's a benchmark that we

1:58:46

know uh exactly how it is established

1:58:50

and and uh and uh

1:58:52

>> so it accurately depicts the Osiris.

1:58:54

>> Yes. Yes.

1:58:57

>> Um what else?

1:58:58

>> Okay, let's go there. Okay. The uh 43 43

1:59:05

Yes. Uh this is uh uh the Sangotard

1:59:09

tunnel and here uh I made an exploration

1:59:14

using my technique uh in order to

1:59:16

retrive the shape of the railway tunnel

1:59:20

that it is uh approximately 2 kilometers

1:59:24

below uh the the the mountain and the

1:59:28

slide 44.

1:59:30

uh we can uh understand that in this

1:59:33

case the Alps the the mountain resonates

1:59:37

like a crystal. So you are seeing you

1:59:40

are watching the mountain in the

1:59:42

vibrational domain. So it's like

1:59:45

a photograph a photo uh pick picked up

1:59:49

or um uh synthe

1:59:55

in in that case uh we can see the slide

1:59:58

45 and 46 we are detecting the tunnel

2:00:03

the the tunnel yes that's the railway

2:00:06

tunnel that is located below the earth.

2:00:08

Wow.

2:00:11

So this is just more proof of the

2:00:13

accuracy of the technique.

2:00:15

>> Yes. Yes.

2:00:18

>> This is some really stunning stuff.

2:00:20

>> Yes. That I can explain you other

2:00:22

experiments. We can go starting from uh

2:00:27

slide 36. Okay. Slide 36. This is a dam

2:00:32

and this very it is a very important

2:00:34

dam. It is a the Mosul dam that is

2:00:37

located in Iraq.

2:00:40

uh is very huge is 300 m tall has a

2:00:47

height of 300 m and 3 kilometers from

2:00:50

one part to the other part of the dam.

2:00:53

So it contains a a a huge amount of

2:00:58

water from the uh upper side. There is

2:01:01

the water that contains and below there

2:01:04

there is the the river that uh uh the

2:01:08

water comes out from the reservoir that

2:01:11

is on top. Why the musul dam? The musul

2:01:13

dam has a problem.

2:01:16

Uh it has been built on a a bed of

2:01:21

jesso. How you sayum? Japsum. Yes. And

2:01:25

gypsum is uh um while is in contact of

2:01:31

water it melts. So the musul dam is

2:01:35

dangerous because it has a serious

2:01:37

problem of stabilization.

2:01:41

In this case, uh there are a lot of

2:01:44

that's called satellites methods and

2:01:47

synthetic virtual rather methods that

2:01:49

are devoted to uh perform the so-called

2:01:53

infrastructure monitoring. And in this

2:01:56

case, the musul dam is crucial to be uh

2:01:59

observed by radar. In this case, I

2:02:02

wanted to see the the slide 37 please.

2:02:08

Erh here uh inside the dam look that

2:02:11

there is a tunnel the red line the

2:02:16

tunnel.

2:02:16

>> Mhm.

2:02:17

>> And here we have uh we have um uh we

2:02:21

have uh uh people that are working uh

2:02:25

inside the tunnel and the the task was

2:02:28

my technique is with my technique is

2:02:31

possible to detect the tunnel. We go in

2:02:34

slide 38.

2:02:37

Okay. And we see on the uh right top

2:02:40

there is the tunnel.

2:02:42

>> Just to explain you where you see red

2:02:44

the vibration energy is high so is red.

2:02:48

When you see blue the vibration has

2:02:51

energy is low. Okay is low and inside

2:02:56

the tunnel because you have the air you

2:02:58

don't have vibration. So is low and so

2:03:01

you see the tunnel.

2:03:03

>> Okay.

2:03:05

And so we were also able to detect slide

2:03:09

39 also the principal facility that are

2:03:13

uh located inside the dam which are the

2:03:15

turbinas

2:03:17

>> the turbines

2:03:18

>> the turbines

2:03:19

>> right

2:03:20

>> and uh and other stuff and all the

2:03:22

mechanical the mechanical uh um

2:03:26

machines. This is the all the mechanical

2:03:29

machines that are located inside.

2:03:31

>> All right. So it's showing the accurate

2:03:32

shape of the turbines as well. So this

2:03:34

is just more proof that this technique

2:03:36

works.

2:03:36

>> Yes. And so we go uh slide 31.

2:03:41

On slide 31. Okay. Here this is the

2:03:43

grandaso. Uh how nice is this? Uh is for

2:03:47

me very nice because I I born here.

2:03:49

>> This is the particle collider.

2:03:51

>> Yeah. Inside the the mountain in the

2:03:54

core of the mountain there is the the

2:03:56

laboratory here. And uh and the the the

2:04:01

task was can I uh detect the facility

2:04:05

that this inside the mountain. And so uh

2:04:09

we we are now uh in the slide 32

2:04:14

and 33.

2:04:16

Okay. And we can see okay the facility

2:04:21

that is ENFN is the institute of

2:04:24

nationality the physical nuclear

2:04:26

>> m you see the shape of it in there

2:04:29

>> yeah national institute uh of of nuclear

2:04:32

physics the Italian national institute

2:04:34

of nuclear physics

2:04:36

>> and that's more than a kilometer deep

2:04:37

into the mountain

2:04:38

>> 1.4 four and uh yes and slide 30 35 we

2:04:44

we can see we can see the the the

2:04:47

laboratory.

2:04:48

>> Wow.

2:04:48

>> Yeah, this is the laboratory.

2:04:50

>> That's crazy.

2:04:52

That's crazy.

2:04:54

So using your techniques you get an

2:04:56

accurate depiction of the dimensions of

2:04:59

this laboratory.

2:05:01

>> Yeah.

2:05:01

>> Wow.

2:05:02

>> And that's that uh that triangle is

2:05:05

called the interferometer.

2:05:07

So when you have two lasers that uh and

2:05:10

goes together and they they and it uh

2:05:14

you can study the the pattern the

2:05:16

interference pattern that coherent

2:05:18

signals are generating you can use an

2:05:22

interpherometer and that's the

2:05:23

interferometer.

2:05:25

Wow.

2:05:28

This is all amazing stuff. It's amazing

2:05:31

and I I I feel like we're at the

2:05:32

beginning of a very fascinating journey.

2:05:35

Yeah. You know, and I think that your

2:05:37

work and this research and all the

2:05:39

controversy is good. All the controversy

2:05:42

around it is just going to make more

2:05:43

people talk about it, more people

2:05:44

discuss it, and more people understand.

2:05:46

And it just seems to me that the more

2:05:48

they research it, the more the mystery

2:05:50

opens up, and that it is without a doubt

2:05:53

one of the most astounding discoveries

2:05:54

in human history.

2:05:56

>> Yes.

2:05:58

>> Thank you, Joel. Congratulations on

2:06:00

discovering it and thank you so much for

2:06:02

all your hard work because I mean uh

2:06:04

like I said is to me one of the most

2:06:06

fascinating subjects and you know what

2:06:09

Graham always speaks of is that we are a

2:06:11

species with amnesia.

2:06:13

>> Yes.

2:06:13

>> And

2:06:14

>> and I agree with this with that

2:06:16

>> and you know it's one of the reasons why

2:06:18

so many people are mad at him is because

2:06:19

he was right. He was right in the 1990s,

2:06:22

you know, and and as time goes on, he is

2:06:25

being proven more and more to be correct

2:06:28

and things just seem to keep getting

2:06:30

older.

2:06:30

>> Yes,

2:06:31

>> it's amazing. Thank you so much for

2:06:33

being here. I really, really appreciate

2:06:35

your time and I appreciate your work and

2:06:36

>> thank you for inviting me.

2:06:38

>> My pleasure. Let's do it again when more

2:06:39

stuff comes out.

2:06:40

>> Okay, I'm here.

2:06:42

>> If anybody wants to find more about

2:06:43

this, where would you uh send them to?

2:06:46

Is there a website that would give them

2:06:47

more information if they want to do a

2:06:49

deep dive? Yes. Um I have a personal

2:06:53

website which is harmonicsar.com and I

2:06:56

publish.

2:06:57

>> Say that again. Harmonics.com. Yes.

2:06:59

>> Harmonicar.

2:07:00

>> It's man. It's

2:07:01

>> synthetic aperture radar is sar. So

2:07:03

harmonicsar.com.

2:07:05

>> Yes.

2:07:06

>> Filippo beond.

2:07:07

>> I mean

2:07:08

>> you're the man. Thank you, sir. Really

2:07:10

appreciate you being Thank you. All

2:07:11

right. [music] Bye everybody.

2:07:18

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