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>> Thank you [music] very much for being
here. I'm really excited to talk to you.
Uh, obviously there's been an amazing
amount of interest and controversy
because of your work. Uh, we should
explain to everybody right off the bat
what this is about. You are the man that
was at the head of this
research that is looking at structures
that are underneath the bottom of the
pyramid. And uh incredibly
controversial, very fascinating, and if
it's accurate, it essentially rewrites
all of human history.
>> Yes. Uh thank you for this invitation.
And uh yes the group is composed by
Colorado Malanga which is the head of
the group and the uh dean professor of
chemistry at University of Pisa.
>> Could you explain your background please
so people understand? Yeah
>> yes my background is uh this I am a
telecommunication engineering. I
graduate at the university.
>> What is that word again? Say it again.
>> Telecommunication engineer.
>> Telecommunications engineer. Okay. It's
like your your English is excellent but
the Italian accent although fabulous
sometimes it's difficult to translate.
>> Thank you very much Joe. I'm sorry yes
that I'm not mother tongue of English
but
>> still much better than my Italian.
>> Okay, thank you. [laughter]
>> Yes, I graduated myself in university at
the University of Leche south of Italy.
very nice university and uh it it was it
is has the name of a famous mathematic
mathematic
Italian which is any deeo
de Georgie um
was living in the era then John
was living also and they uh were they
were one against to the other and Uh
they were they was both um studying the
19 Hilbert pro problem and John um any
de Georgie solved this pro this problem
one week before John Nash.
>> Ah interesting John Nash who from the
famous movie a brilliant mind with
Russell Crow.
>> Yes.
>> Yeah.
>> So uh then I performed my PhD at
Lasapenza in Rome
uh and now I'm here. And how did you get
involved in this this discovery?
>> Yes. Uh I worked uh on radar and
synthetic radar for a lot of time. Um
radar
>> for the Italian military. Right. Some
work.
>> Yes. Yes. Some
>> which you can't really talk about. No.
>> Right. Erh
and uh I was um
involved in some research where um
together with uh the Italian research
council of Bari always south of Italy.
Uh we we was testing some special
processing that were able were able to
to to perform something special. And so
>> this is
>> so this top secret research that you
work on for the Italian government led
you to try this stuff out try this
technology out and this is satellite
based technology correct and it's a
radio tomography
>> yes it is something in my personal
opinion very simple uh the radar is
installed on board on the satellite the
satellite flies at in the space uh at
distance of 600 kilometers at 7
kilometers/ second in velocity. So while
uh it flies along the orbit, it is um
able to catch snapshots of the earth.
The snapshots has to be focused and this
focusing procedure let's say it in the
azimut I take it easy in the azimut
direction is done by sound by the
processing of sound because it is
involved at the so-called Doppler
frequency
uh you know Joe when uh you hear noises
that are approaching to you the this
noise will rise the frequency because it
the the target has a velocity a posity
the velocity with respect to U and so
the frequency is rised up and this
procedure uh allow us to estimate or to
to grab let's say the um um vibration
information that is always present at
the surface of the earth in terms of a
vanishment waves that are present on the
surface of the earth. So this vi
vibration which is mechanical vibration
uh carries inside of this the the the
information that is located underground
and so we did this.
>> And was it a specific idea? Was it the
idea specifically to look under the
pyramids or was it something that was
discovered accidentally?
>> Okay. Yes. Uh once uh we discovered I we
discovered this uh this method
uh it was a coincidence that I knew
Colorado Malanga and at that time I
speak I am we are in 2018 he was
studying the pyramids and so we were
talking about uh something that uh if if
there was some methods able to scan
inside the pyramids because he needed
some information to to to conclude the
research that he was doing. And so uh I
proposed him to use my technique and uh
we started to work together and so we
focused in that time on the pyramids
>> and when was this when was the first
scans?
>> Uh yes in 2019. in 2019. And when you
got the data back,
>> did you immediately get the data that
you're showing today where you see the
columns with the coils around it?
>> Okay. Uh in let's say that this research
is can be divided by two. The first one
1.0 uh we were concentrating research on
the Kunum Kufu pyramid, the Kaops
pyramid to watch inside the pyramid. And
so we have uh detailed tailored our
processing to watch only inside the
pyramids because that pyramid only one
pyramid because we were
uh doing that kind of research. Then
once we uh discovered things in 2020, we
published the peerreview paper and uh we
gave uh public the results that we found
in inside the kum kum kufu pyramid. We
decided to expand our um research in all
the the Jiza plateau.
>> Can I stop you there? The when you
looked so we know quite a bit about the
kufu pyramid and what the chambers are
inside of it. Did this technology
accurately describe the pyramid itself
and the insides of it, the chambers that
we know exist?
>> Absolutely. Yes. Because we have
detected this uh multi-layer structure
that is inside the Kung Kufu pyramid,
the so-called Zed. We have discovered it
uh uh very well from the space and it is
located inside the pyramid. And also we
discovered it in the new we no we
discovered it we we um uh we gave an
image also of the other known structures
like the gr the grand gallery
>> the grand gallery
>> the grand gallery and then also the
queen's chamber and the king's chamber
also so
>> and accurate in terms of size and
dimension
>> and also position and location. Okay. So
when did you decide to focus below the
pyramid?
>> Yes. uh we decided to focus below the
pyramid. Uh because we uh we were our
intention was to expand our um research
and then also thanks to the third
component of the research group which is
Armando May. Uh he suggest us to expand
our research and scan all the Giza
plateau. And so what what date was it
that you discovered these immense
columns with the coils around it and all
those structures that are underneath the
pyramid? Yes, in the second part of of
our research, we uh started focusing our
scans on the Kraer pyramid and uh like
Kunum Kufu and then we adjust our
algorithms to go deeper. And so when we
did this uh
very nice things
be began to to appear on our results.
What what did you feel when you first
saw those images that do appear to be
immense columns? Uh I believe they're uh
the diameter is 20 m
>> 20 minutes.
>> So they're huge, enormous columns.
>> Yes.
>> What what what went through your mind?
>> Skepticism.
>> Skepticism. I told for uh also Colorado
uh was with me because uh
we had those results for uh in our um
desk without uh disclosure or anything
for 6 months because my my opinion was
that was not real. Um I uh I did I
was thinking that maybe it was noise or
some artifacts due due by our uh
processing procedures.
>> Did give you pause at all that they were
so uniform that these columns were in
very specific places and that they they
lined up there was a uniform gap in
between them.
>> Yes. And uh uh why we disclosure this?
because we started to use also other
satellites and uh once we uh at at the
beginning we were using only the Italian
uh satellite system that is it is cosmos
kimemed and cosmos kimemed second
generation it's very good very precise
but uh we wanted to shift our research
using also other satellites because Joe
in research when we have diversity
diversity is a good thing because it
confirms other things that we uh were uh
searching we were searching confirmation
confirmation. So once we had the same
results while we were we was using uh
American satellites called the Capella
space and and also other satellites
having always the same results. We
decided to disclosure.
>> How many different scans have been done
on this area? Two or 300. Two. More than
200.
>> More than 200. And all with uniform
results.
>> Yes.
>> Wow.
>> Yes.
>> There's a lot of resistance to this and
it's from the usual characters and it's
from people that I would characterize as
gatekeepers of archaeological
information. And um unfortunately they
are not willing to approach this with an
open mind. And you see this skepticism
that just seems to me to be confirmation
bias. They they want this to not be true
regardless of the sheer number of scans
and the uniformity of the results of
these scans. And also the fact that this
stuff has been proven to work on other
things like didn't you guys use this
exact technology to get the exact
dimensions of a particle collider that
you have?
>> Yes. Yes, we have a particle collider
where I have born in Lula which is
located in the center of Italy. At the
center of Italy
there is a huge mountain called Grand
Saso the Grand Saso Italia which is uh
has a maximum altitude of about 3,000 m
for being precise 2993 m. And so um
there there is a a tunnel very very long
tunnel about uh 11 12 kilometers and in
[clears throat] the core of this
mountain there is a particle collider
there is a laboratory let's say like
that
>> and this technology
got the exact dimensions of this
particle collider that's deep in this
mountain.
>> Yes at
1.4 kilometers with respect to the top.
>> Wow. Yeah.
>> Okay. So, we know it's accurate. We know
it works. What do you think it I mean,
other than what I said that it's
gatekeepers of archaeological
information? It's people that don't want
to admit that there's perhaps a quite a
bit bigger mystery than just the
pyramids themselves. What What is What
do you think it is that is causing this
resistance?
>> Personally, it's true. We found a lot of
resistance. Yes, it's true. But
personally, I don't know why. Erh, I can
say something uh regarding to my
personal opinion.
Uh
Joe, it is something that maybe is too
big, too huge to
to be disclosured like that today. I
don't know why
>> it's confusing to people because it's
it's essentially
paradigm shattering because the pyramids
themselves are absolutely spectacular.
The Great Pyramid is 2,300,000
stones. The the alignment is to perfect
true now, true north, south, east, and
west. It's a really incredible
accomplishment. Whoever built it and
when they built it, it's just undeniably
fascinating that this was done at the
the very least 25,500 BC, probably even
older than that. We really don't know.
>> But that alone is spectacular. But then
when you add the findings that you have,
it just makes everybody go, "We don't
know anything. We really don't. We we
know that these things exist, but their
purpose has always been speculative. The
speculation was that it is some sort of
a tomb, but that doesn't make any sense
because there's there's no hieroglyphs
inside of it. It doesn't seem like a
tomb. Doesn't look like a tomb." And I'm
sure you're aware of Christopher Dunn's
work.
>> Yes. Yes. which you know he's an
engineer and he said it it appears that
this thing is some sort of a mechanical
thing and that it's probably designed to
generate some kind of power. Yeah. Uh
yes in this uh in this context I have
spoke a lot with Christopher Dan and uh
in in uh um I like a lot his theory and
uh it it makes sense and um and so this
discoveries matches a lot with his uh
with his and also to other scientists
that makes make recast the uh effective
purpose of the pyramid not to to be
tombs. Today we are sure we are sure or
of one thing that the pyramids are not
tombs. They're not tombs. And what is
truly spectacular is that if if this
data is accurate, those immense
structures that have baffled mankind
forever are just the tip of the iceberg.
>> Yes.
>> That's just the top.
>> Yes.
>> And underneath it,
>> you have these immense structures that
we have not yet fully explored. But you
have data that shows that. Let's let's
look at the images. Let's pull up some
of the images so people can see what
we're talking about. Cuz once you see
it, you mind just goes, "Okay, what are
we even talking about?" Like,
>> what was this civilization?
When did it exist? And what kind of
technology would allow them to not just
construct the pyramids, which is
absolutely baffling, but if this
structure that is underneath the
pyramids is accurately described by your
work, we're looking at something that it
it is going to have to change our entire
perspective on the history of humanity.
Yes, I agree with you Joe because what
we found it is something that is has
been confirmed by by our measurements
and at the moment I suppose that our
measurements are the only are the only
data that we have because there aren't
other other data. So
uh what we are uh observing we are we
are observing principally vertical
structure. This vertical structures has
a a pattern a regular pattern and this
regular pattern is uh um uh constituted
by a so-called spiral nature. I found
this and
>> okay so what are we looking at here?
These are
>> that's the right one.
>> Yes.
>> Yeah. Okay.
>> Yes. That is the cafrey pyramid. And you
see Joe at the top of the tomography.
The tomography is on the x. Uh so the
horizontal dimension we have the space.
Okay.
>> Space adjust the range
>> and on the vertical we have the depth.
>> Okay.
>> Okay. On the top we have the um uh the
the the pyramid. You see you see the
pyramid on the top. And while you go
down, you are observing the structures
that are going down. And look, you have
the spiral nature of the of the of the
structures.
>> Okay, this is not the clearest image
that I've seen. So, what are Let me see
some other images.
>> Um,
>> because this is just one, right?
>> I know. That's what this was from his
presentation and I didn't know where to
get the best from it.
>> Back up one. So
>> go go go. Okay. Again
we have a lot of images here that that
is requesting all the uh the research
that we have done together.
>> So the images that are going around
online that people have seen are these
3D replica. Pull up some more of those.
>> Yeah. Get them off the web.
>> Okay. Um some of the images online are
recreations of what it is observed and
what you believe this could look like
underneath. Correct.
>> Uh we have performed measurements and
they are sound measurements that are
that has been picked up from the surface
of the earth by satellites. So they are
very precise and they are coherent. A
coherent it means that contains a lot of
information. So it is uh characterized
to have high entropy and so when we
perform the so-called tomographic
inversion we can see what there is
underneath.
>> Okay. So this is a recreation of what
you believe it looks like.
>> Yes.
>> And how are you getting that from the
image that's below that?
>> Okay.
>> So the image is just one aspect of the
data. Correct. Yes,
the imag
>> this this this multicolored
>> image. Okay, here we are observing
inside the Cafra pyramid and inside the
Cafra pyramid uh we are observing those
structure there. The the those are
inside the Cafra pyramid
>> and the image above
>> yes
>> that is an artist recreation of what you
think it looks like. Now, how did you
make that determination that that's what
it looks like?
>> Okay. Um
uh the uh 3D model has been has been um
retrived not um observing just only one
result but observing a lot of results.
So putting on a table all the results
that we have we were able to retrive so
to facilitate people to read our
measurements. Okay. So observing the
results we were able to uh determine the
spirals and the uh structures that are
located starting from the base of the
caf pyramid going down.
>> I've seen other images of the scans that
are more convincing than the one that's
below. So, let's see if we can find some
of those.
What are they? What else do you have
here?
>> Yes, these are all images that are
related to the first uh
>> So, this is just an article that's in
the news.
>> Okay.
>> Yeah, I just I mean, I even went here. I
>> um what is like where's a a good place
to get the best versions of these
images? Like that right there. Okay.
>> It's just kind of
>> Okay. What is this? Okay. Uh here we are
watching a wide area of of our
tomographies. Look and we see the
structures that are going down.
>> Yes. This is much clearer.
>> Yes.
>> Okay. And
>> and below the below the structure at the
end of the structures there are huge
chambers but they are really huge
approximately having a uh a width and
the length and the height of 80 80 m. So
80 meter structures that are below all
of this.
>> Yes.
>> So almost the size of a football field
below all this. That is some sort of a
chamber.
>> Yeah.
>> And um see see if you can find some
other images, Jamie.
So the coils,
how did you determine that there was
coils? Is it just because of the gaps
that you see in the imagery? whether
they come in this uniform pattern
pattern that I I have
two or three slides on my presentation
where we find the coils.
>> Okay, let's see if we can find those
slides.
>> You know which you know which slide
maybe
>> if you go down please. Yeah. Uh wait a
minute.
Okay. Okay. Here. Okay. Here we can
observe a regular pattern. So not uh not
coils. And we and we go we go down
please. Okay. Regular pattern. And the
coils are beginning to be seen there on
the third image
>> here. Regular pattern. Go down please.
And here. This is in my personal opinion
uh the fourth image uh from the uh left
to the right. The fifth image. One, two,
three. Four. The fourth image. I'm
sorry. where you have a core at the at
the center of the the the coil at the at
the center of the the structure and then
we have
a something that spirals down.
>> So has anybody speculated about what
this could possibly be like what these
coils are?
>> Yes. erh I spoke with uh uh two
independent with let's say with some
independent researchers and uh uh
especially with Christopher Dan and uh
um
and also uh I spoke also with Jeffrey
that uh is uh uh considering also the
Giza power plant like a chemical reactor
or something like that. So we have on
one side uh
uh uh scientists that say okay it can be
something related to electricity or or
we have something related to chemical
chemicals or other things in my personal
opinion me I can see anything I can say
anything because I just measured what
there is there so it is not my how you
say my my job to do this my job is okay
here we have the measurements and now we
have to see what there is inside my in
my personal opinion this is the right um
time
to say okay let's go be let's go there
and see what there is
>> let's start digging
>> yes
>> yeah um pull up some more images please
Jamie um so
>> yes this is very important if you want I
can I can tell you about this
>> okay because It is uh the very important
u project research project that uh I am
working now and it is something that if
could be possible we can go there and
without digging anything we can go
below. Why? Because uh belonging between
the Sphinx and the Cafra pyramid, there
are some shafts. And there there are the
photos of the shafts where we can go in
Sidto and we can uh physically go there
and see and watch those shafts.
Currently the shafts are
blocked by debris and there is also
rubbish inside. So we uh I performed I
performed a lot of scans at at those
shafts and you see jaw the sha the the
shafts goes down down down down down and
they reach
chambers that are below
>> and that is the doc doppler tomography
readings. Yes.
>> So these shafts go down. How far do they
go down?
>> Yes, they go down approximately 600 m.
>> 600 m. Wow. Yes.
>> So 600 m down and then they reach a
chamber.
>> Yes.
>> What is the conventional explanation for
these shafts? Is there one
>> like what is what what do current
archaeologists what does academia what
do they think these things are? Leave
that right there for a second.
>> Yes. Yes. This is the complete 3D model
that me and Colorado did. And uh so to
uh observe all the structures that we
have find that we found um
evaluating
the tomographies that we have done on
the Jiza plateau.
>> So it's not just under the great
pyramid, it's under all three pyramids
>> and also the Sphinx.
>> And also the Sphinx.
>> Yes.
>> And they all seem to go do they go down
to a uniform depth? Erh, we found at the
moment the same depth. Yes.
>> And they all have chambers at the
bottom.
>> Yes. Absolutely. Yes. And that's the the
the in my personal opinion my the nice
thing that uh that we are dealing at the
end of the structures of these tubes
that are going down. There are um huge
uh chambers.
>> How huge? Uh, as I told you before, 80 m
times 80 m and times 80 m of height.
>> And that's uniform underneath all the
pyramids. It's the [clears throat] same
dimensions.
>> Yes.
>> Wow.
>> When you look at it like this, when you
see your 3D recreation of the site, it's
stunning.
>> Yeah.
>> Because it just it just makes you think
like, what is this?
I mean, I can understand the skepticism
and I can understand the resistance to
this that modern academics have because
this throws a giant monkey wrench into
everything.
This make makes everything we know about
that area thrown into question.
Because if this is true, like I said,
this this rewrites history because
you're dealing with an advanced
civilization that is demonstrabably more
advanced than us.
Yes. Because uh they were able to
to build very precise things, but not at
the surface of the earth below.
>> Well, they even built a lot of precise
things that confuse us.
One of the things that Christopher Dunn
gave me is this. It's a the recreation
of the vase of one of the many voses
that they have that is
>> accurate in its the the way it was made.
>> Yeah.
>> Down to
god, what was the number? A thousandth
of a human hair, something crazy like
that. like much less than a human hair
in the diameter, in the uniformity of
it, in the fact that it was carved out
of this incredibly hard stone at a time
where there was no metal alloys. They,
you know, there supposedly had copper
tools. No one understands it. No one
knows how they did it. And it has
handles on it, so it couldn't have even
been turned on a lathe.
Yes. And also if we go inside the
pyramids inside and also outside the
pyramids we can observe that the
measurements are very precise. The the
chambers are constituted by flat walls.
We don't have inscriptions
uh and the dimensions are all related to
the constants to the major constants of
universe.
>> Right? They're all aligned to the
constellations. There's a lot of like
very strange calculations that they were
able to make like pathways where the sun
during the solar equinox
>> passes right through. It's a fascinating
place.
>> Yes.
>> What when you
started [clears throat]
acquiring this data and you started
accumulating it and then started going
over it with experts, what did that feel
like to you when you're when you
realizing, oh, this is real?
>> Yes.
It was something that uh was very
very nice for me because [laughter]
because uh when we disc the thing was um
I
was saying always to Gor
shall we disclosure this or not?
I think for for now not for now not but
then the results were always the same.
So we decided to to disclose this uh
this
>> how long did you sit on it before you
decided to disclose it?
>> One year.
>> One year. So for that one year, how
conflicted were you? You must have been
walking around like I have the biggest
secret on earth.
>> Yes.
>> How weird was that? [laughter]
Only two person knew this.
>> That's crazy. [laughter]
That's crazy. two people having one of
the biggest secrets on earth
>> that's backed by data. I mean it's not
it's not even like you know someone told
you something like you have
extraordinary data due to fascinating
modern technology that indicates that
there's these paradigm shifting
structures.
>> Yeah. And uh I I tell you Joe, I I would
like to go there and see what there is
in person.
>> Yes.
>> Because it's it's now time. I think
>> is there resistance from Egypt and the
people that are in control of that area
or are they fascinated by it?
>> I tell you Joe, I didn't f find a lot of
resistance. There is I found a lot of
resistance in the internet. Yes. A lot
of the banking a lot of people that no
it's not true it's not true
>> a lot of people that continues
were continuing to say no rather can
penetrate the earth for one kilometer 4
and they didn't know or they they they
purposely not saying this that we are
not penetrating anything because we are
just grabbing the entropy that is on the
surface of the earth and with with with
that information we are retriving
tomographies. It's something new that I
invented but it works because we have
benchmarks that demonstrates the
effectiveness of the method and it's
this is 100%.
>> And there's also been some criticism
that the patents have expired but that's
because you have new patents on better
stuff.
>> Yes. Now Jo under NDA. So h I uh we just
uh I think I I can say something about
the second patent because just yesterday
we filed the patent in USA.
>> Nice.
>> Yes.
>> Wow. Um have any academics reached out
to you in support that are interested in
this and would like to explore this
further?
>> Yes. Yes. Erh I I tell you this there
are uh companies uh related to mining
and uh uh crude oil extraction and then
also water. Uh Joe today we are living a
particular time because water is very
important. Uh we are in a so-called
water emergency in all the world. So for
me the first thing that we have to do is
to scan
uh the earth and uh uh to fetch to to
find to try and find other uh let's say
uh opportunity to ext extract not salty
water because it's very important.
>> So you'll be using this technology for
that as well.
>> We uh for now not but I'm thinking to do
it.
>> Well it makes sense. I mean, if it can
detect this, it should be able to detect
that as well. And that will be if and
it's and it also if it's accurate, that
will also help garner support. Yes. For
this this exploration of whatever is
under there.
>> Yeah. And uh so uh we we are receiving a
lot of uh uh calls from uh companies
that want to work with me. And so let's
see what what we can do. And so this is
all companies that have reached out
after you released the results
underneath the pyramids.
>> Uh the most of them are calling me
recently,
>> right? So they've heard about
>> relatively recently. Yes.
>> Well, that's capitalism, right? They
they say, "Oh, we can make money off of
this."
>> Yes.
>> Yeah. Well, that's good. That gets
people interested. It gets people
involved in this.
>> And so we have also philanthrop
philanthropic project. We are opening a
um a foundation in Malta. Uh we we are
realizing it in uh two weeks and uh we
we will have a foundation in Malta and
with the with that foundation we can
operate also philanthropically for the
the Giza plateau and other uh and other
uh ancient megalytics that are located
in all the world. We have a plan to scan
everything
>> really. What is next?
Uh maybe we we can see uh Pumapo or
other sites.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Go back.
>> Go back. Yes.
>> Have you looked at the labyrinths
underneath uh the the ones that were
described by Herododus that Ben Van
Kirkwick has been talking about and his
Uncharted exchange
atrium with a 40 meter metallic object
that's the shape of a tic tac in there.
>> Yes. They asked me to do it and we will
do it.
>> Yeah, you have to do that.
>> I I tell you Joe the processing is very
nice but requests a lot of calculations.
So uh it is time consuming. So at the
moment at the moment uh we have some
computers that are dedicated on JA and
other project that we are doing and in
the future maybe we will have other um
other machines that uh can work to to do
other things but we will do it. We we
need time but we will do it. Now, are
you absolutely convinced that this data
is accurate or have any of the
criticisms of any of the people that are
trying to debunk it? Have has any of
that resonated with you and rang true?
Is there any validity to any of the
criticisms?
>> Radar is only precise. The nice thing
that has radar is the precision
and especially from space because space
it is a very silent environment. you
don't have noise something the the
platform is very stable. So when you
transmit electromagnetic waves
>> they return back with absolutely precise
with absolute precision
>> and it's recreated over and over again
in these 200 plus scans that you've done
with various different satellites.
Correct. Not just one so that one could
have errors.
>> Yeah.
>> So you're convinced?
>> I'm convinced 100% because
>> wow I did the I invented the method.
Yes, I know. But uh I tell you that uh I
am happy if somebody can replicate
things. So if other research groups can
replicate the things that I'm showing, I
am happy.
>> Well, you got there first. Yeah. So no
matter what [laughter]
>> I mean you if this is correct you will
go down in history as one of the most
important figures in archaeology because
if you are
>> you're welcome but I it's just fact if
what you're saying is true and we're
just recently discovering this in the
21st century. I mean that's absolutely
mindbending.
>> Uh thank you for this. Uh yes I I am
happy for uh for being in this uh but uh
not al not not only me other people
helping me to to do my work. Yes.
>> Oh of sure of course a lot of people
>> and in principal my family.
>> Yeah. um this these structures and this
this whole area if this turns out to be
something that you don't find just at
the Giza plateau but around other parts
of Egypt. I mean there's always been a
lot of speculation as to whether or not
a civilization existed in subsaharan
Africa an advanced civilization that in
the area are not now sand you could
probably do that same sort of research
there as well.
>> Yes. Yes. I I agree with this and uh we
will do it. Yes.
>> Wow. What is life like for you now
having this exposed and now you know
having this on the internet and all the
speculation and all this excitement?
What has that been like for you?
>> Yes, I am not very used uh on all this
exposure in on the internet. Uh
it is something that I have to uh get
used of this. Yes.
My my life is simple, Joe. I I live in
Italy and uh but uh um
now I repeat this uh it is time to go
ahead and go on the uh Jiza plateau and
in person I I wish to see the effective
structure how they are and the purpose
of the of all the plateau what it is And
is there plans to do that in person to
do some sort of an excavation?
>> Yes. Um I wrote a project proposal which
is a research and also not research a
proposal and uh is now um
we we are uh our intention is to submit
this proposal at the Egyptian
authorities.
If you want I can explain you this
proposal
>> please. Um we are involving University
of Ferrara
um
principal scientist professor Savakaro
Italian professor in she's a geologist
um
and other uh and other governmental
Italian governmental uh in institutions
that are very clever to do scans in sidu
scans. So we are not using my my
technique. We use the state-of-the-art
technique that it is recognized by
science today.
And
uh our uh intention is to
uh concentrate the efforts on those
shafts that I that I showed you that we
we we have seen because we are we are
not 90 99% convinced that or sure that
those those are natural entrance into
the the uh the structures that are below
that are located below because we have
the vertical structures and
you saw on the on the tomographies you
have also horizontal connections.
>> So there's corridors.
>> Yes, you have.
>> And how large are these corridors?
>> Uh
about uh they they are tall about 3 m
tall.
>> Okay.
>> So about 9 ft tall.
>> Yes. Yes. that can that will uh using
these corridors you uh will arrive
directly inside the the the coils that
we are that we are uh uh um visualizing
uh that we v visualize uh before.
>> So there's passages and shafts and these
uh enormous
ways that they can go back and forth in
between these various structures. The
thing that we have to do now is to clean
those shafts. We have to do uh cleaning
because now they are um
>> sand debris.
>> Yeah.
>> And um
is there a timeline on when you would
like to start cleaning these shafts and
start doing this kind of stuff?
>> Yes, it depends when we submit the
project. The project is ready. Uh I know
uh people that uh are living in uh in um
uh in Egypt that when we are ready we
can submit the project proposal then we
are we are at uh when the government if
if approved the project we can start.
>> Now I would imagine that something like
this something at this scale would
require enormous funding.
>> Yeah.
>> And how do you uh how do you hope to
acquire that? We we can make um we can
say uh people that this this work is not
for me but is for humans. And so people
uh we we we ask people to help us in uh
getting money to perform the work. We
have to ask people. Have you reached out
to any like Jeff Bezos, Elon Musk type
people that have tons of money that
might be interested in doing something
like this?
>> I don't know them, Joe.
>> You don't know them?
>> No. But maybe uh
>> it's a big ask.
>> Yes,
>> it's a big ask, you know, asking.
>> It's a big ask.
>> A few billion dollars to go dig around
under the pyramids. I mean, how much
money do you think it costs to to do
this
>> to do? We we we have to do we we did an
estimation of uh the the
an estimation about I don't know for
maybe maybe uh belonging for 20 millions
or or more
>> $20 million
>> yes $20 million
>> and this is just to clean the shaft and
go underneath
>> and because why so much money because we
are our intention is to work safety I
don't want that people has to go down
the shaft and work. We will we want to
use drones, robots to to make something
automatically and so go down by using
machines, not humans.
>> Yeah, that makes sense.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. And that way you can get accurate
real time video and
>> Yes. Yes.
>> Wow. with cameras and uh it will be
something I am thinking about this the
most maybe is one of the most ancient
megalithic structure that we are dealing
now can be recovered by the most modern
technology that we have now today and so
we can recover it modern and ancient
together.
>> So you've been giving this presentation
now and you've been going around. What
has that been like? What has the
reception of it been like?
>> Yes. A a moderate
positive reception.
>> Moderate positive. So people that are
like if this is true it's amazing but
you have to show me more.
>> Yes.
>> I tell you in this project proposal I am
out.
>> You're out.
>> Yes. It is better than that University
of Ferrara that is one of the most
important university in Italy can stay
there and uh manage all the work is
better
>> right
>> and I'm out
>> right you showed them what's there show
them the technology now
>> good luck
>> thank you
>> thank [laughter] you thank you and good
luck so tell me about this presentation
so how do you set this up I know you you
brought some of the slides of this
presentation tell tell me how you set
this up.
>> How you
>> how you set it up? So, how you explain
it to these when you have these, you
know, semi-eptical scientists that are
sitting down there and you're going to
tell them, I'm about to rewrite human
history. How do you set this up?
>> [laughter]
>> Oh, they were uh they were listening me
very well and they [snorts] asking me uh
things uh about how they everyone um the
first thing that they asked me is how it
works and that's good and so I slowly
explain explain them how it works and
how I arrived to to to make this
presentation so to have our results and
uh uh and so and so on and They
they they
someone of them is skeptical, someone a
bit less skeptical,
>> which is what you want.
>> Yes.
>> Yes. You want healthy debate about this
kind of stuffy debate.
>> That's the only way you find out what
the truth is.
>> Yes. Only only having a you a healthy
debate, we can find what is the truth. I
I don't want to polarize people for me.
You know, it's not my it's not my job.
No. Well, not only that, it's not you're
just discovering something. Yes.
>> This is something that's there. And for
people to just put on a skeptical lens
and just not look at it at all is crazy.
>> Yes.
>> Like if you're skeptical, we should
probably explore it. And if you're
wrong, okay, now we know it's not true.
>> But if it is true, it's a crime to not
investigate.
>> Do not investigate. It's a crime to not
investigate. Yes. And I tell you the
the uh solution to we we don't we don't
have to dig holes uh uh ruin the what is
now preserved. No, we we have to only
clean enough. We have to only clean and
we have to use what there is
made. It's for us because those shafts
they are for us. They are calling us. We
our
um our rights are to clean them and see
what there is and do go down and explore
them. Personally,
>> well, it just seems like these shafts
exist at alone and they are at that
depth that you describe and they are at
the dimensions you describe. It really
does lend credence to what you're
saying. Yeah. because it seems like
there's a purpose for those things. And
if they do go down to the area where all
these structures are,
>> seems like there's something there.
>> In my personal opinion, they were built
purposely. And if you see the the
>> access points probably.
>> Yes, they are access points. They are
they were made probably to um you know,
Joe uh when you go deep below the earth,
the temperature rises a lot. So there is
a certain uh uh ratio uh of um where the
temperature rises uh proportional to the
depth that you are going. So the shafts
are made purposely to take the their
their function is to transport air light
and so cool what there is inside.
>> Well that makes sense.
>> Yeah. and also access
um show me some of the other slides and
other things that are in your
presentation so we can get a more
comprehensive understanding of what
we're looking at.
[clears throat]
>> Okay.
>> Yes. This is uh the Zed this is ah Mario
Pinker. Maru Pinker was a researcher
uh that he died the on 2011 12 and uh he
was studying the zed which is the
multi-layer monument let's call it a
monument but it's not a monument because
it it has a certain and very precise
function that is uh inside the pyramid
this is the
>> and this is [clears throat] the uh
outlined image in the lower left hand
corner.
>> Yeah, that's the tomography that we that
we have retrieved. It looks very
precise,
>> right? It looks exactly like what it
looks like in the actual image. What is
that thing? What is the what do you
think the function of that thing is?
>> Yes. Uh the function is um is is this uh
uh it is you you see on the top of the
structure there is something like
>> like a cap.
>> Yes, like a cap.
uh that cap uh is has a a precise
function to act attract the in the the
vibration.
Okay. It's an antenna
in the in the vibration domain. Okay.
>> Antenna in the vibration domain. Yes.
Okay.
attract the the energy in terms of uh
mechanical vibration and propagates them
below.
There are other slides please. Okay. Uh
here I did a simulation. Uh now I'm
sorry because I don't have the video
because this is a PDF but uh I I um uh
reproduced the function of the zed on
the computer.
Okay.
>> Okay.
>> And look on the right side, we have all
the vibrations that interacts one to
each other to each layer. Look.
>> Mhm.
>> And you can see that each layer. Look
how strange it is. Each layer on the top
of each layer, it is scattered.
Look.
>> Okay.
>> On the top of the each layer and the
bottom is very flat. It's flat. So what
is that? It is something related to
filter. It is a It is a low pass filter.
A made by stones.
Very crazy. This that's a low pass
filter.
>> A lowass filter. What exactly is a
lowass filter?
>> Yes. A low pass filter is a filter that
allow us that that allows the
transmission only of certain frequencies
and reject other frequencies. So it is a
stabilizer frequency stabilizer and the
low pass or a a certain low value
frequency.
Okay.
>> Right. And so this aligns with
Christopher Dunn's theory. Yeah.
>> That there was something underneath the
the pyramid that there was a a chamber
that was they were using to generate
vibration and that that vibration would
go through the entire structure.
>> Yes. And look, Joe, the last layer,
look, transmits
directly inside
the the the so-called uh sarcophagus.
That's not a sarcophagus there.
>> And so what do you think that what they
call a sarcophagus? This immense granite
box.
>> Yeah. Let's call it Yes. The gr the
granite box. Yes. And then inside the
granic box
was done to contain a man a body. And
that vibration look
collapses at the center of the granite
box where the man was lying down.
>> So do you think there was actually a man
inside that? So a person would lay in
that box.
>> Yes.
>> And what what happened to them?
>> I don't know.
>> Whoa.
So
>> I don't know. That's a simulation that I
did, but it's precise.
>> So, you don't think it's for a dead
body? You think it's for a live body?
>> Yes.
>> And so, a person would lay there and
have some probably incredibly profound
experience with whatever
>> Probably. Yes.
>> What do you think it was? Like, if you
just wanted to get crazy and put on the
tinfoil hat and speculate, what do you
think it was?
I mean, what would happen to a person if
they encountered this kind of vibration?
these kind of frequencies and in this
resonating granite box
>> I can say something that is not
scientific uh recognizing.
>> Yeah, that's what I want.
>> Yeah. [laughter]
Maybe
>> keep it up there. [laughter]
>> What do you think?
>> Maybe that person was ready to have an
out of the body experience induced.
>> Oh, like a gateway.
a gateway to the spirit world.
Look at on the top you have the antenna.
The antenna is recepting all the
vibrations that transmits
all the signal below directly inside the
granite box. It's very exciting.
>> And what do you think was generating
these vibrations? Ah yes the natural the
uh the wind the natural vibration
vibration of the earth and also some uh
let's say
uh flowing the the the flowing of water
also the flowing of water and generated
by
>> flowing water and then there was also
shafts that were this is part of
Christopher Dunn's theory these shafts
that reached the outside of space that
he thinks were attracting space
radiation
>> can be Yeah, that's another possibility.
>> Yes, another possibility.
>> He also had a a theory that perhaps the
lower chamber that's below the the
pyramid itself that there was some
mechanical device inside of there that
was generating vibration
>> for this uh can be. Yes, can be. But we
don't boom through the entire structure
and this is creating this vibration.
That's the antenna. You've got this
filter through it and then someone is
laying in the sarcophagus tripping
balls. Yes. Is that
>> Whoa.
That's crazy.
Do you imagine if this entire structure
was just built so that someone could
have some sort of a bizarre out-of- body
experience or psychedelic gateway
experience?
>> I think that's true. I think it's
psychedelic Disney World. [laughter]
>> I do. I seriously I had I had that
epiphany like two months ago.
>> Really?
>> I don't want to explain it, but yeah.
Uh, I was look looking at a picture of
me when I was a kid at a like a Cedar
Point, which is like roller coaster
place. I was just thinking of how much
effort we put in to making kids or young
adults have a wild experience. Yeah.
>> That is only
uh in reference, you only understand it
if you live there. If you found Disney
World now in a thousand years, you'd be
like, "What the [ __ ] They worship mice?
[laughter]
>> What the [ __ ] are you talking about?
This is insane. Look at all the pictures
of mice everywhere."
>> That's so true. But you'd see that giant
castle and there's rides everywhere and
you you would have no idea what the
experience of that ride would have been
like or the teacups,
>> right?
>> It's nonsense. It's fun for kids,
>> but also would make them feel
amazing, but also adding what this
vibration stuff does and sound and music
and all these other things. You can put
them all together and be like you could
feel like a god.
>> Yeah.
>> If lightning hit the thing, you'd be
like, "What the I don't know." It's I
just had that wild idea one day. It's an
interesting idea because if you think
people have always been fascinated by
achieving novel experiences and what
more novel experience than a 2,300,000
stone structure that's perfectly aligned
to true north, south, east, and west
aligns to the stars of Orion's belt.
>> Yes.
>> You lie inside a stone box and the
vibrations hit you and you're in that
box.
more more
>> and naturally you go out of the body.
>> What it who knows what it does to the
body and the mind because we know that
the mind is capable of producing
indogenous psychedelic chemicals. We
also know that people have a very
profound reaction to frequencies. That's
why sound hits us so hard and we love
music and and just vibration itself and
and this sound weapon that they just
recently used in Venezuela supposedly to
knock out all Maduro's troops. What what
could this thing have been?
>> Yes. Um
I am relative that the the principal
actor of everything can be water
uh vibrations. So sound sound
but we we are uh dealing now to the
third uh a third thing. So the purpose
the exactly purpose of this maybe it can
it can be also one more than one purpose
no more than one scopus of the pyramids
the pyramids intended to be now we I am
100% convinced that the pyramids uh can
be considered the tip of the iceberg of
something
uh con uh of something very uh huge BJ
that is composed by things that are
below the earth and the pyramids that
are up at the surface of the earth.
>> So what do you think the reason for the
design of the pyramid in that specific
geometric shape?
Uh yes. Uh probably because they have to
resonate with the universe in in uh in
uh in some uh
in
they they have to resonate with the with
the universe. You know the the universe
uh the universe uh uh jaw it is uh it is
not complicated. is simple
because the universe is constituted by
things the matter the particles the
light yes but everything is uh regulated
by some constants there are the
constants so the velocity the speed of
the light c
uh 3 * 10 to the 8 uh kilometers/s
then you have so the velocity of the
light so you have the electric
constants, the magnetic constants that
are
uh that arranges very well the law of
the universe. So it is important that
something that has to uh be well related
to the place that we live to the
universe has to contain very precisely
the dimensions of uh recasting the
constants of the universe
>> and that's what you think the pyramids
did?
>> Personally yes personally yes
>> how old do you think they are?
Yes. So yes on the sorry the the Italian
starts when [laughter]
I start speaking Italian.
>> No it's okay. It's okay.
Erh
the thing that uh we can say for
certainly is that the pyramids are older
than the dates that are written on the
uh typical history books. So to see
something that to say something very
precisely we have to go back in time uh
into the zapi.
So more than 36
thousands years ago something happened
to the earth. So uh the zapi uh began
and in a time belonging the zeppy and
the great flood were built the pyramid
the pyramids.
>> So like what I'm sending you something
Jamie that's very interesting.
>> Yes. Um, so
do you have an idea? Do you do you have
an estimation like what what is your
personal belief?
>> Yes.
We can't say exactly the year.
>> So Zepti, let's let's explain to people
what that is since we're I sometimes
forget. Zepy is the thing that I
described to Zahi Has and he dismissed
it. But there's this I've never heard of
this.
>> It's [clears throat] an ancient kings
list.
>> Yeah. And it's a list of pharaohs that
goes back past 30,000 years. Yes. And um
it's very inconvenient for modern
academics. And so they like to portray
it as myth.
>> And then when it gets to the age of
historically accurate pharaohs that we
know of, Kufu and Cafrey, then they
allow those hieroglyphs. Yes.
>> But when you get all the way back to the
30,000 years ago, they like to say that
that's just mythology.
>> Yes, it's true.
But it is a matter of fact that Zep we
have
we have also other ancient megalytics
that are very old recognized very old.
So we have to deal with that.
>> Well go back
is a big problem also
>> but more than 11,000 years old for sure.
>> Yeah.
>> And as we saw
>> here it is. This is something that um
[clears throat] um I actually just
talked to Graham Hancock about. This is
Stella is a limestone inscription
discovered in 1858 near the great
pyramid complex of Giza. And the text
describes a pharaoh kufu who ruled from
2589 to 2566 BC visiting the site and
ordering restorations to existing
structures including a temple associated
with the goddess Isis. The stellar
refers to Isis as the mistress of the
pyramid, a title that has raised
questions about whether parts of the
Giza plateau were already considered
sacred before Kufu's reign. And although
most Egyptologists date the Stella
itself to the 26th dynasty, more than
2,000 years after Kufu, its wording
continues to draw attention because it
portrays the pharaoh as a restorer
rather than the original builder.
Whether inscription provides older
tradition or reflects later religious
interpretation remains debated. But if
this is accurate, this describes Kufu as
restoring the pyramid. Yeah.
>> Now this exists throughout history. Um
the temple of Tinoitlan
uh where the Aztecs had when when they
described it, they described it as the
place where the gods were born. Yeah.
>> And they found it. Like people think the
Aztecs made the pyramids. They did not.
>> No,
>> they there was some sort of a previous
civilization that lived in Mexico prior
to the people that called themselves the
Aztecs or what we call the Aztecs and
they built. So there's a longstanding
history of people repurposing existing
structures and claiming them as their
own. And if this Stella is accurate and
this was also in Fingerprints of the
Gods, Graham Hancock's book. Um, so I I
sent this to Graham and his reaction was
pretty interesting. What he said
>> to me was that um there's a strong
suggestion that the Kufu pyramid might
have been one of the three subsidiary
structures alongside the Great Pyramid's
eastern flank and all that looked like
damaging e evidence against the orthodox
chronology of ancient Egypt. It also
challenged the consensus view that the
Giza pyramids had been built as tombs
and only as tombs. Uh however s uh uh
rather than investigating the statements
u from the stella the Egypt childiffs ch
uh they chose to devalue them in his his
quotes they chose to say h that's just
inconvenient
>> but if it's if they are describing it
that way that that seems like this is a
longstanding tradition of people finding
things that exist. the earth's clearly
eg ancient Egypt itself, dynastic Egypt
is a very complex society, very complex
and very advanced society, even if they
didn't build that stuff. But it seems
like they're saying the restore.
>> Yes. Yes. I I agree with you, Joe. Um
I tell you uh there are um some facts
that we have to observe because I am
used to observe
before I I have I I say something I have
to observe.
So I am not um how you say an expert of
pyramids because I am an engineer. I
work on satellites. I am a space
engineer. I'm I'm not a
an Egyptologist
like that, but I can observe
in inside the pyramids
they found a lot of salt
that were uh attached on the walls. So
they find the salt. Why there is why
there was salt there?
First, second,
the shafts that we are dealing now, if
we want to clean the shafts, why there
is debris? Why they are tapped?
No. So,
if the great flood is a an historical uh
parameter, recognize it. So let's say uh
11 11,000 12,000 years ago let's say
something like that I don't remember
precisely the zeppi which is not
recognized is 36,000 in the past so
between the zepi and the great flood
we can locate the pyramids and the
sphinx.
Wow. So the great flood we're looking at
11,000 plus years ago. Zepte you're
looking at 30,000 plus years ago.
>> Yes, we can say I'm an engineer. I am I
I put myself in the center between 30
36,000 and 11,000. See if you can find
some images of salt in the in the great
pyramids because it it is quite
fascinating and if there was some sort
of a massive rise of sea and massive
flooding which is depicted in every
single ancient religion. Yes.
>> From epic of Gilgamesh to the Hopi talk
about it. I mean it's like almost all
cultures have a story. Obviously Noah
and the ark and the flood in the Bible,
but this salt
>> Joe two months ago I went for the first
time to visit the pyramids and I found
salt on the wall. There is still salt.
>> And you think that salt is probably
because
>> I taste it is of water of uh the sea.
>> Wow.
>> Yes. I forgot to to to to bring it to
you. Not just that, but there's so much
salt that there's still salt there
11,000 years later,
>> which is really extraordinary.
>> And so you think that that salt is
because the entire area was flooded. And
that's the reason why the shafts were
flooded and filled with debris. Yes.
>> Right. Topped off with debris cuz
everything just flooded into there. And
then when the sea receded,
>> you're so many years later, you're left
with salt everywhere.
>> Yeah. And that's why uh the reason that
uh I don't want that people goes to work
inside the shaft because are dangerous
can collapse the the the
debris can collapse because you can have
bubble of of of air and so it's
dangerous
>> right right
>> robots has to go
>> right well it makes more sense robots
are safer and it's also like you
>> so everything is connected the great
flood the zeppy and the pyramids
>> wow if that turns out convinced with
that
>> I I am convinced
>> that maybe 18 I I go in the center 18
18,000 or something like that. 20
between 18,000 and 20,000.
>> Well, what's crazy is I mean that pushes
back that ancient civilization by 14,000
years.
>> Yeah.
>> Which is at least 14,000 years. I mean
John Anthony West thought maybe 30,000
plus years to the construction of the
Sphinx. That's what he thought. And when
Robert Shock from Boston University, the
geologist that started doing work on the
the the pyramid and then excuse me, the
um temple of the Sphinx.
>> The Sphinx. Yes.
>> Yeah. And the water erosion. He's like,
"This is
>> it's vertical."
>> Yes. It's vertical fissures that come
from thousands of years of rainfall. And
the last time there was like significant
rainfall in the Nile Valley like that
was 9,000 years ago.
>> Yeah.
>> So you're dealing with thousands of
years before that of rain to achieve
that kind of erosion. Yes, it is
necessary now when that's why this
research and this activity that hope we
will do it is very important.
>> Yeah, because this it is able to rewrite
everything it mean rewrite everything.
Imagine if you could get something from
down in those shafts in those corridors
something that you could date.
>> Yeah.
>> And you get a date back of 26,000 BC.
you go what
you know I mean this is it's not outside
of the realm of possibility that's
what's so crazy about this it just
really does seem like we are getting
more and more evidence that things are
far older than conventional wisdom than
conventional the conventional narrative
that's taught in schools
>> yes I agree
I agree because uh as I told you before
this is time this is the time to to see
effective what we which is the exact
date of construction who made them and
how they made them.
>> But how could we figure out how they
made it? That's the crazy thing, right?
Because we don't even understand the
technology they used to cut them.
>> Yeah.
>> We don't know what they had. And that's
the other thing. If you're dealing with
something that's 20,000 plus years old,
15,000 years old, what's going to be
left? All the metal's gone. Everything
is eroded. The earth is reclaimed. Most
things really the thing that you have
left is stone which is pretty crazy.
>> Yeah. And uh if we see uh the the rooms
all the structures that are currently
inside let's say the the chaops pyramid
which I I like it a lot. The grand
gallery is very nice fascinating.
They have a precision incredible
precision. All those big huge stones
that com that is composing the grand
gallery is very exciting. I like it a
lot.
>> Did you have uh any sort of fascination
about the pyramids before this or
>> Joe? I remember when I was young, very
young, I used to
uh I had um uh it
uh how you say, I had um a a personal
computer, very old one, and I was always
playing always on um on something that
uh
and there was the pyramids. They were
always the pyramids. And there in that
meantime I I realized that I liked the
pyramids and so I I was very young.
>> So the personal beauty just researching
the pyramids is that what it was like
what do you say just looking at pictures
and images?
>> Yes. Yes. On the pyramids.
>> So you always were fascinated by but did
you have an understanding or even uh any
questions about the timeline of
civilization before this?
>> No. Never.
>> So it only happened within the last few
years.
>> Yes. Yes. Erh I began uh I began uh
working uh so uh being interested on
pyramids uh starting from 2018.
>> So it was right after you started
>> doing this research. Yes.
>> And you started saying okay what is
this?
>> Yeah. And so when you start to to
research on something that that is uh
our history, our past, our origins
because we our origins are there. So we
have to fetch we have to find what there
is there because it is important that uh
we uh it is important to research our
origin because in this meantime humanity
does not know we don't know who we are.
We don't know our origins. We don't know
anything of of who we are. And the most
of the answers can be found in the um
studying the pyramids.
>> Well, it certainly seems to be the
greatest accomplishment that ancient
humans had ever created.
>> Yes.
>> And if these humans were far more
ancient than we currently believe, that
is really really interesting.
>> Yeah. And uh it is for me very it it is
something that I have it always in my
mind
only to know how they did how they cut
the stones how they have transported the
stones and how I don't know how how how
everything how how like what gave them
the idea like were there any
>> previous pyramids cuz it's weird because
the older you go the more complex the
structures are
>> and the newer ones are kind of shitty.
Yes.
>> Yeah.
>> So, okay. So, we went from that we
showed this antenna and it goes into the
supposed sarcophagus and these
vibrations. What other things do you
show in your presentation that are
interesting? Uh I um I showed
principally all the structures that are
uh that are uh under the the Cafra
pyramid and also under each pyramids.
And uh also I described the uh method uh
uh on how going
below without drilling anything. And so
I uh showed them I showed them that
there are the entrances are there on our
eyes. Everyone can see those uh those
shafts. And so why we we we are not
exploring them? Why they are so dirty?
Why they are so without uh any kind of
work of renew methods? Yeah.
>> I don't know why.
>> Well, it seems like there's limited
resources first of all. BS. And also it
seems like Egypt an entire
>> economy is based on tourism. An immense
amount of tourism because it's so
fantastic. There's people from all over
the world make a pilgrimage.
>> I I also I also I also find uh a method
to uh combine so not stopping the the
tourism. No. So it is possible to
combine the work and also the tourism.
So we can delimitate the area inside the
area we work and outside the area safety
all the people can visit the py the Jes
not only that I think it will enhance
tourism because if this speculation
proves to be fruitful and you start
looking under there and you find that
there there is evidence to all this it's
just going to make more people want to
go. Yes, I I agree with you. But you
imagine, Joe,
we will find
the structures that are underneath. No.
And maybe we can try to build a huge uh
lift that carry people downstairs in
safety always. Or maybe not below for a
lot, but at a certain at a certain
depth. So they can also travel along the
horizontal corridors that are present.
And so they go up from the shafts and
they they go they they they go up from
uh to the Cafrey pyramid and they go
away from so the entrance here and they
and they go
intercepting the pyramids.
>> That would be amazing.
>> Yeah. I mean it would just be much more
tourism.
>> Yes.
>> Yeah. And also the all eyes would be on
Egypt. I mean it would probably be a
huge boost to their economy. It would
probably be a huge boost to archaeology
because more young people would get
fascinated by it, want to study it.
>> Yeah. And and imagine imagine also this.
What can we find below
down there? What can what can we find?
This is a question that I am asking
because if we watch the the the the
slide concerning the shaft that I want
to that I want to clean, there are
things inside it. It I am showing that
that that there are things located
inside the uh chamber. Look, there is
something.
>> What What is that?
>> What are you seeing when you we're
talking about the shaft where it goes
all the way down to the bottom and
there's a chamber. Is that what you
mean? That one. Yes.
>> Right there. So that structure that is
at the bottom.
>> What's that? I don't know. Was that
>> right?
>> It's very huge.
>> Very huge. And it's at the bottom of the
shaft.
>> Yeah.
>> Look the horizontal corridors.
>> Mhm.
And so there's more horizontal cor
corridors during the when you traverse
down into the shaft. Then you there's
you intercept
>> right other corridors. And how large are
those corridors?
>> By about 3 m tall.
>> So there's three So there's these 3 m
tall shafts
>> that go to the side. These corridors
that go to the side.
>> Yes.
>> Along the way and then also down at the
very bottom.
>> Yes.
>> And you're convinced of this. This is
all data, right?
Um,
>> and no one has ever sent a camera down
there or anything.
>> Those are human man-made structure like
uh a ring on another ring.
>> Mhm.
>> Look, it is it is very clear, right? If
you observe the structure, those are man
man-made and they go deep, very deep.
And you can see the rubbish that is uh
on the bottom.
>> All the debris.
>> The debris.
>> And that debris you think was a lot of
it because of the flood. I am 100% sure
of this. Yeah. So the pyramids or the
Giza plateau it seems to stop the
functionality the the
working. We don't know which kind of
work
uh were used to do but stopped because
of the great flood. So we can go back in
time in uh 12,000 years ago. And when
people's the people that don't know if
you're hearing this like what great
flood that's just not that's just myth.
There's a thing called the younger dus
impact theory and the younger dry impact
theory group that's been studying this
they now know that there was impacts to
the earth that are allowed around the
11,800
year mark and then I believe I believe
again in the 10,000year range. Uh Randle
Carlson is probably the best guy to talk
to about that, but that they find high
levels of aridium, which is very common
in space and very rare on Earth, but
there's a layer of it. They also find
these nano diamonds uh that they also
discovered during the first Trinity
explosion when they detonated the atomic
bomb. They find these microscopic glass
particles that are created by the
intense explosion interacting with the
sand. So what is it called? Trinitite
trit is that what it's called? What are
those?
>> Nuclear glass. What is that called?
Tritonite. Is that what it's called?
>> Some uh some something related to
vitrification.
>> Yes.
>> Okay.
>> So, this exists all over the world. And
it exists all over the world when they
do a core sample at the same depth.
Yeah.
>> And so this is a very strong scientific
indicator of evidence that we've been
hit.
>> Yes.
>> Yeah.
>> But another scientific indicator is the
debris. Why there is that debris there?
>> Right? Why so much?
>> So much,
>> right? Why so much?
>> If if we do carrotage drilling of that
debris inside the shaft, I don't know
how how how deep we can go. So why there
is all the all that debris there?
>> We don't know,
>> right? But which makes sense if there is
a great flood that fills the pyramid
with salt water. Yes.
>> That it probably washed all that sand
into that gigantic vertical shaft.
>> Yeah.
>> Completely makes sense.
>> Yeah. And I tell you, Joe, we if we do
the chemical chemical a chemical
exploration of that debris, we can find
also a certain density of salt because
were mixed in the past by salty water
and debris and soil also.
>> Also, you could get dirt from the very
bottom. Yeah. And get some sort of
organic material and carbonate that. And
maybe you can get an understanding of
like maybe when stuff was washed down to
the bottom of that shaft.
>> Very interesting. Yeah. Yes, it's
possible. Can be possible.
>> Crazy if they did that and it lines up
directly with the younger gi impact
theory. I mean, that would be incredible
evidence.
>> Either way, just what it is that we know
that there's immense shafts. We know
that they go many, many meters deep into
the earth. And we know that there's
these horizontal shafts along the way.
Hey, these corridors along the way, like
all of it is just nuts.
>> We [laughter]
saw I was looking at the Osiris shaft
here. Um the shaft.
>> Mhm.
>> Okay.
>> Just near these other ones. Uh when they
found it, there was water down there.
They had to get out. And the water is
not only cold, ice cold. It says it's
clean enough to be drinking water.
>> Whoa.
>> And I don't know that it doesn't It
sounded like it refills itself. Oh, so
there's a spring down there. Well, that
is also the problem with the labyrinth.
So, the labyrinth that they have where
there's this enormous atrium and this 40
m long metallic object that apparently
is underneath there. And this is through
ground penetrating radar that they
discover this. I don't think they know
what that metal is either. I think it's
an unknown metal. But they built a dam
there I believe in the 1960s and to help
the farmers and unfortunately that
flooded that whole area. So because they
changed the direction of the water and
built this dam the water table rose
>> and that entire labyrinth is now filled
with water.
>> But through ground penetrating radar
they've been able to get this accurate
assessment of the dimensions of it. And
then they go back to the descriptions of
Herodotus who described it. See if you
can pull that up. uh Herodotus described
it as greater than the Giza plateau
itself. So these labyrinths, these
corridors, these atriums, these huge
passageways underneath the the Great
Pyramid area more complex and more
spectacular than the pyramids
themselves.
>> Yes.
>> My god.
>> My god. Like what was this civilization?
These people living in Africa however
long ago were so much more advanced than
perhaps anybody that's ever existed
including us just in a different way.
Including us just in a different way. H
just to remark the fact Joe that there
is difference between the water table
which which of course is composed by
drinkable water and the water that they
found uh compounding the uh the Osiris
shaft and the water that transported all
the debris but that water was uh uh uh
salty water because of the great flood.
So it was uh water um of the sea
composing the sea
>> which makes sense when you see the salt
that's all over the pyramids. This is
Herodotus's quote. I've seen it myself
and indeed words cannot describe it.
Though the pyramids beg description and
each one of them is a match for many
great monuments built by Greeks, this
maze surpasses even the pyramids.
That is crazy. That's crazy that he said
that. And if have you ever seen any of
the artistic renditions of what it looks
like?
>> Uh, no. But
>> see if you can find some of that because
we did it. If anybody's interested in
this, I can't recommend enough.
Uncharted X. It's Ben Van Kirkwick.
>> This is what apparently is underneath
this area,
which is just [ __ ] staggering.
>> Wow. How nice.
>> This is all underground. And so I think
we the next uh the next um uh site that
we can study can be this.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. And a
>> and if you could find out what that 40 m
long metallic object is, that's that's
when things get weird. That's when
things get real weird cuz you find a
spaceship down there.
[laughter]
Then things get really fun. [gasps]
I mean, we're Egyptian space travelers.
[laughter]
Why not? I mean, if they could build
that, why not space? Who knows what they
could do? They're lying in a gigantic
stone box tripping balls. They have this
huge pyramid. This the structures go how
long? A kilometer. The entire thing into
the earth. [laughter]
>> 1.2
>> 1.2 kilometers into the earth. From the
base of the pyramid down 1.2 km.
>> Wow.
>> Wow. This has changed. I mean, from 2018
to now, from you researching this and
does this change your entire perspective
of human history and and just human
beings in general?
>> In my personal opinion, yes. Because uh
before this was a problem accepting how
the pyramids were made, all those
stones. But if we can if we if we are
adding also the structures that are
underneath I don't know what happens
>> more impossible than before
>> right
more impossible than I mean if you'd
imagine with modern technology trying to
recreate something like that you're
talking about an immense project that
would cost
>> hundreds of billions of dollars
>> if not more
>> and the engineering involved in it
you're an engineer the engineering
involved olved in doing something like
that like
>> how
>> how they can cut the granite so
precisely is impossible is impossible
also today is impossible.
>> So they had some sort of a technology
that is far more advanced than we have.
They just went in a different direction.
We went in the direction of internal
combustion engines and electronics
>> and they probably went in some
completely different direction.
>> Yeah. Yes. Because uh the modern science
started from a point and then as you you
are you are saying right we we followed
the a direction which is the direction
of light because most of the our
inventions our yes internal combustion
uh engines and uh uh and other stuff but
principally we use light because we can
see
We can see it. We can see light. Okay,
we use light. But
other other existence, other people that
that was uh uh living in the past maybe
use other things that we don't know.
>> Maybe sound.
>> Well, it seems like it if this is
generating sound and vibration, if your
speculation is correct,
>> yes,
>> that they were obsessed with vibration
and sound. Yes, they were obsessed in
vibrations and sound because all the
structures that I that I watched inside
the inside the pyramids,
they are like something that generates
sound or they maintain
clean the sound.
>> It resonates sound echoes. It has a very
specific echo to it.
>> The zed like that is is magnificent. The
Zet is a is perfect. It's a perfect
device made by stones. It's very nice.
And just how how and where did they get
the understanding to construct something
like this? And this this is what screws
up our idea of a linear timeline of
human progression in civilization to go
from caveman to modern 2026 human being.
We like to think that it was just, oh,
we figured this out, then we figured the
wheel out, then it was agriculture. Now
here we are today with cars,
>> but more likely there was some peaks and
valleys. We rose up to a very high level
probably during Egypt and it was
shattered down and it took probably a
long time before civilization rebuilt
itself again.
>> Yes, Joe. And then we are we are
speaking about modern living but modern
living has to be sustainable,
>> right? I don't think that our modern
living is so sustainable.
>> No,
>> no.
>> I mean, even our population isn't
sustainable.
>> We're in population collapse in many
countries in the world, South Korea,
Japan, even there's arguments about
America itself
>> that we're in population collapse.
>> Yeah.
>> And we're also chaotic. We we also have
a very bizarre distribution of
information that's filled with nonsense
and lies and propaganda.
>> Yes. lies and propaganda. Yes,
>> we have the government that's constantly
trying to censor people and control
speech and limit your ability to express
yourself and complain about things so
they can continue to dominate resources.
You have a we have a weird society
today, but it's also a society because
of this access to information where you
can discuss and explore things in a way
that has never happened before. And that
is that's the most exciting thing about
our time. Yeah. Because there's so much
room for discussion. I I want to if if I
can um to explain you something that is
maybe related to philosophy or or to
other things.
Erh,
we have an example of how uh um
modern humans are a bit strange because
we we are not uh made it it is like that
we are not made to research uh to or to
find the uh harmonics the harmonics in
our living.
And so uh I just want to make you an
example the uh do you remember in the
80s when the uh cold fusion rises?
>> Yeah.
>> So
>> maybe we we we are speaking about
fleshman and pawns that made for the
first time they they they had a glass of
water and inside they made a a mini
nuclear reaction reactor inside. They
had some results that were very very
poor results. I know but was a base to
build something stronger.
They put away that that experiment. So
no they debunk that experiment. It was
not good. It is not good because it is
not possible.
And the example of the cold fusion is
how we are because cold fusion was
devoted to find the energy using
resonance.
Resonance why how it works called
fusion. We have two atoms of uh um of
hydrogen. we start
erh um
uh we start putting together these two
atoms but while we put together these
two atoms the there are the atomic
forces that tends to no I don't want to
stay with the other atom so but then
there is a limit that the atoms fuse
together and it transform it is they are
transformed in helium plus energy
because of of mass the mass difference
and so you can do energy by fusion. This
is fusion not cold fusion. So you can
have a fusion by forcing together the
atoms that they don't want to stay
together. So the force force together
and this that is hot yes that that is
hot fusion. Cold fusion you convince the
two atoms to stay together naturally.
Okay. So today
uh
>> what method do they use to convince
these atoms to stay together naturally?
>> Yes. You you have to find a third
material that convince the two atom to
stay together. Like you say I have a
couple you have a couple a girl and a
man they don't they don't want to talk
one to each other. If you put a a third
person
uh between them at the center of them
and she and maybe a third person
convince the man and the girl to speak
together and they will speak together.
Okay. So the third material which is
paladium they use paladium. Paladium has
the a physical property to make speak
together the two atoms and without force
them they naturally transform into
helium and they and they generate energy
because the helium has a mass lower than
the two atoms with mass difference you
will
>> you will generate energy
>> and doing this at scale is really the
holy grail of modern science And this
has always been the quest.
>> Yes. So we have two paradigma.
Convincing something or obtaining the
results using the force. And so the the
street that you were speaking before
science
had this street. We want to have things
by using force not convincing.
>> Right. And that's where we are. That's
nuclear power. Yes.
>> Nuclear energy.
>> Yes. Because h
I tell you today
also hot
nuclear fusion does not exist
because it is very difficult to to make
a a huge reactor that use the tokamax or
something related to laser that uses
that that forces together the atoms to
it's something not natural
>> right
>> cold fusion was natural And so the
pyramids are something related to
vibrations, to harmonic resonance, to
something like that that
>> it is the the right creation. That was
the past.
>> They were the right creation. They they
were they were doing it the correct way.
Yes. Instead of doing it against nature,
they were doing it in harmony with
nature.
>> In harmony with the nature and in the
universe. And that's why all the
dimensions are related to the constants
of the universe. The universe is like a
book that is open. We have to just
observe it. It is not difficult. It's
very simple to read the universe.
>> Okay. Show me more. Show me more of this
uh presentation.
>> What else do you have in here? When you
go from from the the cap with the sound
resonating into the supposed
sarcophagus. Yes. What else?
>> Yes, we can go to that slide.
This stuff is awesome. This is my
favorite subject by far out of all
subjects. Ancient history and
particularly ancient Egypt is my
favorite subject.
>> Okay, we stopped to speak.
>> This is so undeniably interesting. H if
we can go a slide up. Uh here look here
we are dealing with something that uh uh
happened uh in 202022
after this uh after our our paper was
published because these results are on
our first paper. Look Joe
that slide there that that lower. Yes.
>> Yes.
You depict chambers that were previously
not known.
>> Yeah. Right.
>> That's the big void.
>> Right. The big void.
>> That's the big void. And then there is
the chevron
connecting with the corridor,
the base of the grand gallery. That
corridor was discovered six months later
by Zakyawas.
>> Wow.
They made the paper but uh they I I
depicted six months
before.
>> So you let them know it was there and
then
>> that's the corridor. That's the
corridor.
>> You found it. [laughter]
>> That's the corridor. Yeah.
>> I don't want to say that I found it, but
>> Well, you found it. I'll say it. You
found it.
>> So your technology
showed something that turned out to be
true and is now established.
>> Yes. And again, how crazy is it? They're
just finding new chambers in the
pyramids in the 21st century.
>> Uh,
>> pretty spectacular that they're just
finding this now.
>> And just yesterday, I was to examinate
it again there. I don't have it. I don't
have a slides here. I'm I am sorry. But
there are the results of the scam
pyramid project. The scam pyramid visual
is very good. I it is a they are it is a
very nice uh project project uh group
and they discovered the uh the so-called
um big void
but uh there is a problem because they
say the big void can be something
parallel to the grand gallery so not
steady but inclined like inclined
>> and inclined right
>> examinating results.
I was observing something.
Maybe I say maybe I can say that I am
right of this. Maybe they are they they
are mis they are confusing an inclined
new chamber
by the top of the they are
distinguishing the top of the grand
gallery and the bottom of the grand
gallery like that. I observed the
results but in my personal opinion
the big void is not inclined but it is
located where there is that red blob
there.
>> Mhm.
>> That's the the grand gallery. Yes.
There. And also up. Yes. That's the
grand gallery. It is not inclined. Is is
flat like that. Is how you say is um
steady not inclined.
>> Right.
>> Um
>> that's the grand. Why do they think it's
at an incline?
>> Because we are not seeing we are not my
technique does not detect is not
detecting an inclined uh chamber on the
top of the grand gallery.
>> Why do they think there's an incline?
>> Yes, because they found two targets
parallel. But I am feeling to tell them
to be careful because maybe they are
confusing the roof of the Grand Gallery
and the and the lower part of the Grand
Gallery.
>> I see.
>> Okay. They have to be careful.
>> Interesting. But it's just also more
evidence that your techniques are very
effective and accurate
because you did desri describe you have
>> we can see the the the results that uh I
uh that I um obtained on the granaso. We
can see the granaso and the laboratory
of granaso. That is the a perfect um uh
benchmark that describes the effective
effectiveness of my technique.
>> All right. Show me some more. What else
you got here?
Show me another slide.
>> Uh below I think. Ah okay. Okay. We go
to Gubio. This is a a town where I live.
I am uh
>> this is Saxan. Sakahan. Yes, this is
Sakahaman. And uh here I am showing you
the next uh work that we uh can do uh
once the Jiza scanning activity are
finished it.
>> So this is in Peru, correct? Yes.
>> And so you want to scan this as well
because uh you know we've had quite a
few people on describe this.
>> Yes. Look, Joe, the stones are like mash
marshmallows.
>> Yes,
>> they are like marshmallows. How they did
those those
>> right
>> those things there?
>> Enormous. Some of them hundred tons
>> carve from stones that who knows how
they put them into position, but they
carved them in this very strange way to
absorb the impact of earthquakes. Right.
The idea of this technology is that the
reason why they're like a puzzle piece
is because it would be much less likely
to move in an intense earthquake.
>> Okay.
Go back
just a few words on this city that is
small town that is located in Peruja
where I live.
Um uh look um uh the the Italian the
authority of this of the city of the
town asked me to perform a scanning
around that colosum that mini colosum
that is located in Gubio because
probably there is a huge Roman city not
so old but it is a Roman city that
compounds that arena that is there. M so
a lost Roman city that's around that
area.
>> Yes. Yes.
And I say hello to the people of Gubio.
[laughter]
>> So is this the next thing that you're
going to do?
>> Uh
>> one of the next things.
>> One of the next.
>> But Sakai Huan is also Yes.
>> Yeah.
>> Ah and there is also
Carakora also. Very interesting. The the
slide 51 please.
Yes. Yes. Carakora. Yes. This this is
located in Russia and there are
huge structures inside there.
And uh
>> this is in Russia.
>> Yes. Yes. And nobody knows the the
purpose of the of those things there.
Nobody. It's crazy. More than crazy.
>> And how big are these [clears throat]
things? Can you keep that up there?
>> Find other pictures of it so you see
what it look like. Just keep this up
just for a couple seconds. I just like
how how big are we what are we looking
at here?
>> Yes, we have 9 + 16 + 7 + 10 plus 36 and
they go below. So maybe two or 300 m
below
>> two or 300 m and there's this immense
rectangle at the bottom of these
corridors.
>> Yeah. And and it goes more more deeply
and so they nobody knows what there is.
And if you look at that image, it's
clearly a man-made structure.
>> It's man-made. Absolutely. Yes.
>> I mean, look, there's stones. They're
they're placed.
>> Yeah.
>> That is nuts.
>> That's crazy.
>> And they don't they there's no
historical timeline, no understanding of
who did it.
>> No.
>> Wow.
So, it's likely that there's structures
like this that exist that are
undiscovered probably all over the
world.
>> Yeah. Yes. The the nice thing of this is
is this satellites are global globally.
So one satellite flies from let's say
south pole north pole south south pole
like that
>> right
>> because of the angular momentum
conservation
the let's say the wheel of the orbit
remains steady and the earth rotates
inside this circle the circle remains
steady like that. So at least once a
day, one satellite can observe
potentially any part of the globe in one
day.
>> M
>> so you can program snapshots where you
want in all the earth in one day.
>> And how [clears throat] many satellites
are up there? Ah there are uh uh the
satellites that uh contains on board of
them
a payload
uh composed by a synthetic version
rather there are a lot there are
different satellites companies that uh
provides these services.
So uh today it is possible to decide to
observe something. Okay. I call the
company and they put case for me an
image.
>> And this structure in Russia, how was
this initially discovered? Was it
discovered by explorers?
>> Manually by explorers
>> manually. Yes. And how did they get the
dimensions of it? Are people able to go
all the way down into it?
>> That man because there is only a a a man
that went down because it's very narrow.
But once you go down be everything
becomes very huge and large. Measure it
manually all those depths. But more
there than then you can't go because
maybe it's too narrow. I don't know.
He's okay.
>> Did you find any images of that Jamie
online?
>> I'm looking into something.
I'm stuck in a hole. Hold on.
>> Someone was sort of saying it's in a
different spot and now I try to track it
down. These are also weirdly only
getting talked about over the last
month. So I am digging down a different
path.
>> When did they discover this?
>> This I don't remember.
>> 2011.
>> That's crazy.
>> The fact that they don't know who made
it or why,
>> but it is clearly man-made. You're
seeing these stones perfectly cut
stacked on top of each other.
>> Yes. And you have the same uh
>> Oh, okay. It says it's currently known
from fringe social media and YouTube
style sources rather than former
archaeological publications because it
hasn't been explored. Correct.
>> Yeah. It's 15 years ago though.
>> Yeah. Pretty pretty nuts. But I mean,
who's doing that kind of work in Russia,
especially now? Deep underground shaft
lined with large parallel megalithic
stone blocks with walls described as
straight and polished suggest suggest
artificial construction rather than a
natural cave or fissure. And this is all
from our sponsor Perplexity that we run
all of our questions through and it's
always been very accurate. Said to lie
somewhere between in the Russian Caucus,
often simply uh described simply as
North Cauus or Cauus Mountains uh with
videos and posts presenting it as
evidence of unknown or very ancient
civilization with advanced stonework
techniques.
Crazy that they don't know who made
this. There's no accessible
peer-reviewed archaeological articles,
official Russian heritage records, or
academic monographs that describe the
site formally named the Carahora. Is am
I saying that right? Carora
>> Kahora shaft.
>> Caror shaft, which strongly suggests the
claim has not been vetted by mainstream
archaeology, but you know, look, it
exists.
>> Whether it's vetted or not, it doesn't
matter like what who made it? What is
it?
>> Nuts. That's really crazy. I had no idea
that that existed. [laughter]
>> And it just it makes you think like if
they just found that in 2011 and
>> manually,
>> right,
>> and maybe doing a a wide a wide uh
research by satellites, maybe starting
from there or other sites
between that that Kahora, maybe we will
find other things,
>> right? It could be a part of an enormous
complex. I mean, who knows? But just the
fact that that exists and that a human
made that or humans made that, that's
crazy.
The whole thing is crazy because it
really like anybody that boy the modern
archaeologists and people that are the
gatekeepers of archaeological
information are fighting an uphill
battle because like you can't at at a
certain point in time you have to give
up and go I don't know. And that's an I
don't know moment like
>> yes this and I don't know.
>> What the hell is that?
>> What is that? I don't Show me some more
images, Jamie, cuz it's really kooky
>> of the shaft.
>> Yeah, just that what that looks like.
>> That's I'm trying to It's I'm digging
down a hole and it there's a post here
on
>> Yes, there are.
>> This is a like they're misinterpreting
something.
>> This is Jay Anderson who's been on the
podcast recently.
>> This is the tweet I found. Uh how about
some fat chunk car um in the kab
cabardino bulria republic north caucus
of the Russian Federation is a different
place from carakoto
so carora and carako so there's more
than one place
>> I'm I'm trying to I haven't I'm just
googling stuff it's it all comes from
this one video it seems like because
everyone's pointing to this video and
this video is compiled of all sorts of
stuff
>> it's got 3 million views from 2024
forest. I can see how it goes when it
went viral, you know.
>> Mhm.
>> But, uh, it starts off with just showing
that and I don't, you know,
>> so this is probably the entry to this
area
>> maybe. But again, no one knows they
can't tell you where that is like on a
map,
>> right? Got it.
>> Look how precise they are.
>> So, I this might be
>> who knows.
>> Yeah. Could be real, could be nonsense.
Well, the the images of that guy
standing there looking outside of that
opening that you showed earlier in your
presentation is just bananas. But
whatever this is is
>> that's I don't know where it's from. You
know, it could be
>> right. Do they have any video of once
they got all the way down through? So
here. Okay, let's keep going. See what
it looks like.
>> And I don't even know.
>> Yeah. So someone else has done narration
on it. Mhm.
>> It's coming from a different channel. I
can see a tag on there. It's coming from
a different show.
>> God, look at the right angles, though.
This is nuts.
>> Yes.
>> I mean, it's clearly looks like
something man-made. [clears throat]
Look how precise they are.
>> Yeah, it's crazy.
>> That's man-made. It's absolutely
man-made.
There are also a comparison what with
the with the dimensions of the
dimensions.
>> Wow. What the hell is that?
That means what the hell is that? It's
crazy. And they found it in 2011. Yeah.
>> I mean, imagine how much more of this
stuff.
>> I mean, that's one of the things about
Gob Beckley. They've only observed 5% of
it.
>> I mean, 5% of it they've uncovered and
and through ground penetrating radar,
they know of multiple sites nearby.
>> Yes. But ground penetrated radar has a
problem.
>> What is the problem? The problem of
ground penetrating radar is uh the
penetration depth is few meters enough.
>> So it's a pro there is a problem of
penetration depth but
in that depth you are very precise. So
you have to take into account that more
than 15 20 m you below you can't go
>> right but using that method they have
found all these structures that exist.
It's a good method uh for uh in C2
exploration. Yes. And so you can find
nice things with using ground
penetrating radar if you want to to
perform a wide area uh rough uh let's
say rough um uh scanning uh you you can
use my method. So you can you can find
huge things on wide area. for the the
details. It's okay. Ground penetrating
radar.
>> Um, is there anything else you want to
show us that's in your presentation that
you think Okay, show me some more stuff.
>> Yes, it's a pleasure.
>> Yeah, please. It's a pleasure for me,
too. Thank you. Thank you for being
here.
>> Okay,
>> thank you for inviting.
>> Uh, Carora, is that how you say it?
Carora. Kora.
>> Carakora.
>> So, this is a carora. So, that image, go
back one more time to carora. That, so
that's a legitimate image. That's not AI
generated. This is This is these guys
standing in
>> clearly what looks like megalithic
stones stacked on top of each other.
>> Clearly man-made.
>> Yes. Clearly man-made because look, you
see
>> Yes.
>> You see the blocks?
>> Yeah. You see the blocks? It's [ __ ]
nuts.
>> No, but okay, we can we can understand
that it's possible maybe it's possible
to build something like that.
>> Sure, it's possible.
>> The purpose,
>> right? The purpose and when and who and
what civilization,
>> right? Like who did that? That's That is
insane.
>> What even is that?
>> What even is that? Yeah. I mean, there's
ropes that go across and that's what
you're seeing.
>> And you're seeing
>> that rope go where's his arm and where
does the rope go to?
>> Well, he's got his arm posted on the
side of that wall and that rope goes
across and you're just not seeing it
because of the darkness.
>> Is that like he's leaning against
something there, too?
>> Uh, it looks like he's got his hand on
that wall. That opening. There's an
opening in that shaft. Um, so what else
is next in this in this presentation?
>> Okay.
>> Yeah. Which way should I go?
>> Okay, we go upstairs. Let's see.
Go back. Then we have Gubio. And there
here we have the Osaris shafts which we
use this shaft, the Osaris shaft like a
benchmark because we we are able to
understand the effectiveness of our
technique that is able to retrive the
shape of the osaris shaft. Why the
shaft? because it's a benchmark that we
know uh exactly how it is established
and and uh and uh
>> so it accurately depicts the Osiris.
>> Yes. Yes.
>> Um what else?
>> Okay, let's go there. Okay. The uh 43 43
Yes. Uh this is uh uh the Sangotard
tunnel and here uh I made an exploration
using my technique uh in order to
retrive the shape of the railway tunnel
that it is uh approximately 2 kilometers
below uh the the the mountain and the
slide 44.
uh we can uh understand that in this
case the Alps the the mountain resonates
like a crystal. So you are seeing you
are watching the mountain in the
vibrational domain. So it's like
a photograph a photo uh pick picked up
or um uh synthe
in in that case uh we can see the slide
45 and 46 we are detecting the tunnel
the the tunnel yes that's the railway
tunnel that is located below the earth.
Wow.
So this is just more proof of the
accuracy of the technique.
>> Yes. Yes.
>> This is some really stunning stuff.
>> Yes. That I can explain you other
experiments. We can go starting from uh
slide 36. Okay. Slide 36. This is a dam
and this very it is a very important
dam. It is a the Mosul dam that is
located in Iraq.
uh is very huge is 300 m tall has a
height of 300 m and 3 kilometers from
one part to the other part of the dam.
So it contains a a a huge amount of
water from the uh upper side. There is
the water that contains and below there
there is the the river that uh uh the
water comes out from the reservoir that
is on top. Why the musul dam? The musul
dam has a problem.
Uh it has been built on a a bed of
jesso. How you sayum? Japsum. Yes. And
gypsum is uh um while is in contact of
water it melts. So the musul dam is
dangerous because it has a serious
problem of stabilization.
In this case, uh there are a lot of
that's called satellites methods and
synthetic virtual rather methods that
are devoted to uh perform the so-called
infrastructure monitoring. And in this
case, the musul dam is crucial to be uh
observed by radar. In this case, I
wanted to see the the slide 37 please.
Erh here uh inside the dam look that
there is a tunnel the red line the
tunnel.
>> Mhm.
>> And here we have uh we have um uh we
have uh uh people that are working uh
inside the tunnel and the the task was
my technique is with my technique is
possible to detect the tunnel. We go in
slide 38.
Okay. And we see on the uh right top
there is the tunnel.
>> Just to explain you where you see red
the vibration energy is high so is red.
When you see blue the vibration has
energy is low. Okay is low and inside
the tunnel because you have the air you
don't have vibration. So is low and so
you see the tunnel.
>> Okay.
And so we were also able to detect slide
39 also the principal facility that are
uh located inside the dam which are the
turbinas
>> the turbines
>> right
>> and uh and other stuff and all the
mechanical the mechanical uh um
machines. This is the all the mechanical
machines that are located inside.
>> All right. So it's showing the accurate
shape of the turbines as well. So this
is just more proof that this technique
works.
>> Yes. And so we go uh slide 31.
On slide 31. Okay. Here this is the
grandaso. Uh how nice is this? Uh is for
me very nice because I I born here.
>> This is the particle collider.
>> Yeah. Inside the the mountain in the
core of the mountain there is the the
laboratory here. And uh and the the the
task was can I uh detect the facility
that this inside the mountain. And so uh
we we are now uh in the slide 32
and 33.
Okay. And we can see okay the facility
that is ENFN is the institute of
nationality the physical nuclear
>> m you see the shape of it in there
>> yeah national institute uh of of nuclear
physics the Italian national institute
of nuclear physics
>> and that's more than a kilometer deep
into the mountain
>> 1.4 four and uh yes and slide 30 35 we
we can see we can see the the the
laboratory.
>> Wow.
>> Yeah, this is the laboratory.
>> That's crazy.
That's crazy.
So using your techniques you get an
accurate depiction of the dimensions of
this laboratory.
>> Yeah.
>> Wow.
>> And that's that uh that triangle is
called the interferometer.
So when you have two lasers that uh and
goes together and they they and it uh
you can study the the pattern the
interference pattern that coherent
signals are generating you can use an
interpherometer and that's the
interferometer.
Wow.
This is all amazing stuff. It's amazing
and I I I feel like we're at the
beginning of a very fascinating journey.
Yeah. You know, and I think that your
work and this research and all the
controversy is good. All the controversy
around it is just going to make more
people talk about it, more people
discuss it, and more people understand.
And it just seems to me that the more
they research it, the more the mystery
opens up, and that it is without a doubt
one of the most astounding discoveries
in human history.
>> Yes.
>> Thank you, Joel. Congratulations on
discovering it and thank you so much for
all your hard work because I mean uh
like I said is to me one of the most
fascinating subjects and you know what
Graham always speaks of is that we are a
species with amnesia.
>> Yes.
>> And
>> and I agree with this with that
>> and you know it's one of the reasons why
so many people are mad at him is because
he was right. He was right in the 1990s,
you know, and and as time goes on, he is
being proven more and more to be correct
and things just seem to keep getting
older.
>> Yes,
>> it's amazing. Thank you so much for
being here. I really, really appreciate
your time and I appreciate your work and
>> thank you for inviting me.
>> My pleasure. Let's do it again when more
stuff comes out.
>> Okay, I'm here.
>> If anybody wants to find more about
this, where would you uh send them to?
Is there a website that would give them
more information if they want to do a
deep dive? Yes. Um I have a personal
website which is harmonicsar.com and I
publish.
>> Say that again. Harmonics.com. Yes.
>> Harmonicar.
>> It's man. It's
>> synthetic aperture radar is sar. So
harmonicsar.com.
>> Yes.
>> Filippo beond.
>> I mean
>> you're the man. Thank you, sir. Really
appreciate you being Thank you. All
right. [music] Bye everybody.
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