Joe Rogan Experience #2470 - Pierre Poilievre — Full Transcript

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strategy to get you into Canada cuz we

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think it's going to do big things for

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our tourism numbers. So do you mind if I

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present you with something right out of

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the gate?

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>> Sure.

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>> All right. This is uh

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>> this is from a gunsmith and machinist in

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Calgary, Alberta. His name is Jay, and

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he's designed uh

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>> Look at this kettle bell. Guess what the

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weight is?

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>> Uh 70 pounds.

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>> 70 pounds. That's the That's the weight

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you cabinet. It says on the front here,

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Jamie, it says here on the front, Jamie,

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pull it up. So, we've got that. We've

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got uh you see here some other stuff. Uh

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for a stand.

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>> Oh, that's really cool.

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>> Look at this stand here. So, we've got

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seeing is believing, which I think was

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the slogan of the first UFC that you

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were the commentator for. I think it was

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number 13.

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>> 12.

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>> Number 12. Right. And then we've got

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here your favorite quote from um

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what's his name? The Japanese uh martial

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artist.

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>> Yes. And it says,

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>> "If you know the way broadly, you will

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see it in everything."

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>> So that's here. And then Morris code.

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There's a thank you letter for you. And

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we've got

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>> you've got your flying saucer.

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>> And we've got your logo here, too. So,

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but most important of all,

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>> we've got a subliminal message, which is

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the Canadian maple leaf.

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>> Oh. Every time you do a kettle bell

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swing, you do a snatch, you do a clean,

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you're going to be seeing that maple

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leaf and you're going to be reminding

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yourself that you need to come back to

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Canada.

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>> All right.

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>> All right. I'll present that to you

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there.

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>> Thank you very much.

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>> Go on there, too.

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>> Very cool.

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>> Is that in the way, Jamie?

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>> I can take it off.

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>> We'll take it off.

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>> Put it down.

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>> So, uh,

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>> I saw your I saw your, uh, interview

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with Pavle. And I'm a I'm a big

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kettlebell freak.

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>> Are you really?

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>> Yeah, absolutely. And I started

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researching him after you had him on and

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I was trying to I love history. So

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>> I was thinking why did the Russians come

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up with this? And uh it it turns out

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they used it as a counterweight at the

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farmer markets. So they would say, you

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know, you come in, you have to say this

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is how much potatoes you're buying. But

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instead of trying to do it by eyeball,

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they would put what is now kabel on one

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side of the scale and then the produce

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on the other. And then at the farmers

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expeditions, you had these big Russian

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farmers who want to show how strong they

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were. So they would pick them up and do

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all kinds of um displays with them. And

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then then the Russian army took it on,

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the Soviet army took it on. And then

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that's where Pavle picked it up and then

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brought it over the Atlantic and uh

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introduced it to America.

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>> Wow, that's crazy. So it was just

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accidental that they made this very

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functional tool for fitness. Yeah, it

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was the it was just you'd go to a

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farmers market, you want to buy some

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barley or some potatoes, but you don't

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know if you're actually getting the real

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weight. So, they'd have a scale, a

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balancing scale, and they put the kettle

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bell on one side and the produce on the

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other, and then you knew you got the

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right amount. And then, of course, they

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have these big farmers um farm fairs,

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and they're showing off their their

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horses and their cattle and stuff, and

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they want to do strength displays. So

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these farmers are throwing these things

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around and the Russian military picked

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it up and then the Soviets of course

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took over and they took it on and then

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Pavle I think he was a Bellar Russian

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though if I'm not mistaken Pavl

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>> and he brought it over to uh North

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America but uh the ancient Chinese did

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it as well. You got uh really yeah the

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ancient Chinese the Shaolin monks have

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used them but they didn't do it with

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cast iron. They had theirs were sort of

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a concrete a concrete block and uh they

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they did it for strength training as

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well.

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>> Oh wow. Little history.

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>> Yeah. So I'm a big kettlebell freak. I I

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love it. And uh I really I started to

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study what Powell's teaching. I wanted I

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think he has an accreditation or

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something. If I ever get time I might

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take it.

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>> Yeah. Strong first. Yeah. That's his uh

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organization.

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>> And you're doing you have a whole

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program. I think you you do clean to

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press and then

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>> Yeah. I do a bunch of different things.

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squats, overhead squat and all that.

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>> It's a great functional tool just for

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your whole body,

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>> right?

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>> You know, it's really one of the best

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pieces of exercise equipment I think

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I've ever found.

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>> Yeah. I think he calls it a a cannonball

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on a handle. Um and uh the thing I like

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about it is the it's like a cat

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catapult.

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Like it all of the lift is in that that

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instant where it flips over your hand

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>> and uh the original ones. Wow, that's

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crazy.

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That's so interesting. So, the handle

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was just to pick it up and carry it

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around.

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>> Yeah.

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>> Wow.

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>> That had a real functional use.

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>> Well, it's just amazing how good it is

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for a piece of exercise equipment that

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was accidentally designed that way.

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>> Absolutely. And uh I think it's far

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superior to uh to a dumbbell exercise

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because there's no uh a dumbbell you got

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a you get a consistent lift, but that's

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not real life. If you're in a fight or

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you have to pick something up heavy, it

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doesn't lift consistently. It's it's

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explosive in that small range and you

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know when you're doing a snatch, by the

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time you get up to your shoulder, the

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thing's weightless because the catapult

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the catapult effect has taken over and

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now it's actually negative weights

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lifting your hand up in the air if

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you're doing it right. But like if

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you're in a fight or if you're in a

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wrestling match or you're you're trying

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to push really hard against a heavy

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object, it's all about explosive power

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and that's what kettle bells give rather

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than just this sort of uh freeze and

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contract thing that you do with with

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dumbbells.

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>> Have you always been a workout guy?

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>> Yeah, look, I I was um big into sports

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until my mid- teens. I was on the

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wrestling team. I wasn't great. I was

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good, but I wasn't great. Um then I got

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a a wicked uh tendinitis in my shoulder

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>> and it ended my athleticism for like

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four years and that's how I got into

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politics. I was so bored. I got get home

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from school I had nothing to do

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>> so I took I told my mother

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>> tendinitis got you into politics?

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>> Yeah that's what it was. I just couldn't

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get rid of it. Like I every time I

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thought I had it beat I'd go in and I'd

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train and it would be full of

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inflammation. No one could do anything

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about it. And so I was like bored out of

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my mind and I said to my mom like, you

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know, you go to these local meetings

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with the conservative association, like

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take me to that because I'm going crazy.

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And

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>> that's nuts. Yeah. So that So what what

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what were you interested in when you

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first went there? Like we just

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didn't like the way things were running.

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Like what what was it about it that got

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you so curious?

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Well, I grew up in a suburban

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neighborhood in south south end of

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Calgary. You know, my folks were

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teachers. I was adopted. My mom was a

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16-year-old on she she was a obviously a

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single mom. She put me up for adoption

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to two school teachers. There was

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electricians and oil workers and police

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officers lived on our street. Normal,

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hardworking, good folks. And I always

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grew up with the impression they were

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getting screwed over and that um the

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government didn't listen to people like

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them. didn't listen to people who grew

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up on streets like ours. And living in

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Western Canada, there was a greater

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sense of that. We called it Western

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alienation at the time. And there was

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this guy, kind of a quirky guy, but a

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really brilliant guy named Preston

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Manning. And I saw this billboard of him

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and he had his fist up and it said

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enough. And I said, "Yeah, I like that

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guy." So I got involved in politics and

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I started reading about different

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things. I start I read a biography on

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Fidel Castro and then I read

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>> Justin's dad. No, no, no. Not Justin's

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dad, right? No, no, no, no. His dad was

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Pierre. His dad was Pierre. His dad was

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Pierre. I had issues with Pierre

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Trudeau, too, because

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>> it's a great conspiracy theory, though.

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>> Well, it is a hell of a I don't think

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it's a true one, though. his dad is

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>> unfortunately

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>> his his dad um was very controversial

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where I grew up because he did a lot of

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damage to the oil sector and we're from

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oil country and so that was one of the

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things that I felt kind of resentful

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about the national government and one of

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the reasons I got involved is because

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the west deserved a fairer deal and uh

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but I read a lot of books like you know

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Milton Freriedman capitalism and freedom

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and and I came to to to develop a

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philosophy based on just maximizing

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personal financial, religious freedom,

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let people make their own decisions. And

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that that animated me to get involved in

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politics and fight for that, and I've

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been doing it ever since.

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>> Wow. That's a fascinating transition

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from wrestling and tendonitis, getting

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deeply involved in politics.

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>> Yeah. I mean, like, you know, you're a

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sports guy. If you had suffered an

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injury that took you out of taekwond do

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when you were young and you you simply

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couldn't compete at anything, you'd

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probably be looking for some other

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adventure.

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>> Yeah, that's how it was.

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>> Well, we're lucky that stem cells

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weren't around back then or you never

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would have gotten into politics.

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>> That's right. I would have been a

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wrestler. I don't know if I would have

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won any awards, but uh but yeah, that

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that was how I got started and and I got

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very active very quickly. I got my first

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internship making 600 bucks a month. uh

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when I was uh 16 or 17 years old and uh

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would you know take uh two trains and a

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bus and an hour and 45 minutes each way.

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But I was so thrilled. My dad bought me

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a used suit and a used pair of shoes.

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And I thought this I'm this is so

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incredible. I'm an important guy. I wear

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dress shoes. I wear I wear a tie. Didn't

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matter that the tie was bad bought from

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some dead guy whose family had sold it

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to a a used store. But uh that was my

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start and I loved it.

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Well, uh, I'm really excited to have you

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in here because I've seen you speak

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multiple times and you're a very

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reasonable, intelligent person. That

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makes a lot of sense. And that is that

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is a rare thing in politics. And I love

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Canada. Like I I just say I don't go up

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there anymore, but it's because I I I

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think the government went horribly wrong

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over the last, you know, x amount of

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years. But the people are amazing. It's

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like I was always I've always said that

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Canada has like it's like America with

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like 20% less [ __ ]

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Like every time I would go up there like

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people are so nice. They're they're like

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the nicest people. And I think that's

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part of what went wrong for Canada is

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that people are rule followers and you

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know they're trusting and kind people

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and you know this wolf in sheep's

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clothing snuck in and you know was

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pretending he was a sweet guy and

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passing all these crazy laws and just

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when we saw what happened with COVID

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with just with what happened with the

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truckers and people's accounts getting

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shut down for donating to the truckers

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Like the whole thing was so concerning

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because it's our Canada was like a part

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of America almost. I mean, you're a

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different country, but it's like you

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used to be able to go over there with

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just a driver's license, you know? It

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was like it was such a cool place to I

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started going to the Montreal Comedy

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Festival in like 1993. I loved it up

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there. It's like one of my favorite

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places.

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>> Just for laughs.

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>> Yeah.

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>> Good. How's your French?

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>> Not good.

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>> Okay, we'll work on that. We'll get you

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some French lessons.

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>> It's terrible. Well, I don't know any

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French words. My wife is learning

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French, though. It's interesting. She's

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got this app that she's learning French.

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Um, but it's just an amazing place. It's

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It's a great country. And, um, to see it

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go the way it's been going and sliding

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the way it's been happening over the

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last, you know, x amount of years,

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there's just so many things that concern

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me. You know, one of the things that

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really concerns me is this um, assisted

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suicide thing. that one in 20 deaths in

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Canada is now assisted suicide. That's

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insane.

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>> Well, listen, my my view is that people

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should have the choice, but uh the

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concern we have is the suggestion that

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it would be offered to kids or offered

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to people whose only condition is me

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mental illness,

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>> right?

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>> I don't agree with that. My concern as

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well, I mean, if someone's got a

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terminal, like a good friend of mine

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>> went to Oregon to end his life because

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he had ALS, but I mean, he was gone. I

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mean, he could barely talk at the end of

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his life. His name is Michael Lair. He

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was a regular guest on Kill Tony. Great

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guy,

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>> right?

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>> And

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>> it was horrible. I mean, watching him

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fade away and he wanted to go out on his

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own terms. So, he went to Oregon for

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assisted suicide. I mean, there's a

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place for it. Yeah,

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>> but I mean there was a kid recently in

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Canada and he did it for seasonal

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depression.

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>> You I'm sure you're aware of that case.

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>> Like who who allowed that to happen? Who

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didn't counsel this young guy? Who

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didn't give him a hug? Who didn't tell

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him about diet and exercise and changing

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your surroundings, your lifestyle and

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just do something, right,

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>> to give you some hope and happiness?

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Like seasonal depression? Really? You're

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going to end your life, this beautiful

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life on this planet for seasonal

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depression. That's

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>> that's why we have to do more to give

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people hope when they're suffering with

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mental illness. Yes. You know, give

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people the the sense that they can take

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back control of their lives. Uh I think

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we do have to promote fitness more

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because it gives people it turns them

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into a subject that controls their their

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surroundings rather than an object being

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controlled. It teaches people to that

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that hardship is temporary and that the

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aftermath is positive. And uh and we

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have to give people reinstill people

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with a sense of meaning when they're

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going through hardship rather than than

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to say that it's all over. And uh you

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know I think uh we have to our system

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needs to be geared towards giving people

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all the best options to live on rather

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than just suggesting maid as the as the

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easy as the as the automatic path for

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the system to impose on people. So, uh,

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one of the things our party is pushing

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for is to make clear that public

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servants who are getting phone calls

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from people who are in need of help for

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something. They shouldn't be offering

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that. They shouldn't be offering. People

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can seek it out if they want, but when

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you're calling up saying, "I'm poor or

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I'm struggling or I'm having a mental

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illness or I've got an injury." Uh, we

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shouldn't have a a government worker

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saying, "Well, consider maid." Well, the

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the unfortunate thing is that any

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organization that gets formed

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>> wants to grow and you get financial

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incentives

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>> and then you hire more people and then

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it gets bigger and then what do you have

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to do? Well, you have to keep doing what

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you're doing. What are you doing? You're

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killing people. So, you're going to kill

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more people because you're actually

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financially incentivized to put more

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people through this program and end

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their lives.

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>> That's that's very sad. So I think we

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have to get to get to a point where

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people have the freedom to make their

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own decisions but they also have hope

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that there is an option for them and

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that's what we're trying

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>> pathway you know and like the exercise

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thing is not just give them you know

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control of their life. It makes them

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happier. It's it's it show there's been

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studies that show it's much more

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effective than anti-depressants.

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>> Absolutely. Well, it's the first of

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there's the phys physiological side

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which affects the brain, but it's also

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the sensation of discomfort that you

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push through knowing that you have to

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focus on the thing you have to do. And

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uh that I think it helps us in anything

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we're encountering whether you're going

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through a divorce or a bankruptcy or an

15:48

injury or an illness if you know that

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pushing through to the other side

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because you've got a meaning there that

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can give people hope for for for a

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better life. You know my favorite

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psychologist is u Victor Frankle Victor

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Frankl and he developed this um logos

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treatment which was basically giving

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people a sense of meaning. He survived

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the Holocaust in the concentration camp

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because he had a sense of meaning that

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he wanted to his book was stolen from

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him in the concentration camp about this

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this theory and he wanted to live on so

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he could survive and write that book.

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And then he found his in his teaching

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that it wasn't so much people's

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circumstances that determined their

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happiness. It was whether they had a

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meaning in life. And he tells this

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incredible story of a group therapy

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session where he had this very rich

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woman who was married to a very rich

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man. And he had next to him another lady

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who was living in terrible poverty.

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She'd lost a son and had a second

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severely disabled son. And he said to

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both them, "What will your life look

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look like when you're 80 years old and

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you're on your deathbed?" And the the

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wealthier lady said, "Well, I will look

16:53

back and think that while I had some fun

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and enjoyed the simple the the the

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luxuries of being very wealthy and

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having an easy life that there wasn't a

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lot of meaning to it." And whereas the

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mother who was struggling with a

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disabled child and had lost another one

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said, "Well, I gave my first child a

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great life, a short one, but a great

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one. I struggled to give my disabled

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child a good dignified existence and I

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leave this world satisfied and happy

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that my life had purpose and meaning.

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And the lesson that I take from that is

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that it is not about whether you have a

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gazillion dollars or whether your life

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is easy. It's whether you have some

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meaning to invest your your your life

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into. And I think we have to infuse

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people's lives with with meaning so that

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they that they can they can live a good

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life. Well, that's a great message and I

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think that's one of the most important

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parts of being a leader is having a

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great message and having a great

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philosophy and having a great

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perspective. And I mean, that's what

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disturbed me the most about when Trudeau

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was running the country that I I didn't

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feel like I thought I felt like he was

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manipulating people with woke politics

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and ideology and that it was just this

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weird slippery slope that people were

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falling down where they're losing rights

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and you're you're losing your ability to

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express yourself.

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>> And it just it just really disturbed me

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because I always felt that Canada was

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like one of the freest places and one of

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the most open-minded places. And it just

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I I didn't understand how it could fall

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so quickly.

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>> We we still, you know, we are a free

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country and we we are a democracy. We

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have preserved that. Um you know, my

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leader my this funny moment when Joe

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Biden came to Parliament Hill and I

18:35

said, um, Mr. President, I'm Pierre

18:37

Paul. I'm the leader of his majesty's

18:40

loyal opposition. And he said, loyal

18:42

opposition? How can you be loyal and

18:45

opposition at the same time? I like what

18:47

the hell are you talking about? And

18:49

because you know you guys have a a

18:51

system based on the a republic whereas

18:53

ours is the British system and in our

18:56

system

18:57

the the opposition is an act of loyalty.

19:01

That's what our system it means that if

19:03

you are opposing the government

19:06

you're doing it out of loyalty to the

19:08

good of the people and our house of

19:09

commons. You have a half circle in your

19:11

congress. We have two sides in our

19:13

parliament. It's two and a half sword

19:15

lengths apart because they used to

19:16

literally kill each other in the old

19:18

English days. But the idea is the

19:20

opposition is to prosecute the hell out

19:21

of the government. Make the mighty low.

19:23

The most powerful people in the country

19:25

are supposed to tremble every time they

19:27

walk in that place because know every

19:29

mistake they made, every abuse of power,

19:31

every corruption they might have done

19:33

can be exposed and in front of all eyes.

19:37

So our system is really designed to

19:39

constrain the power of government

19:41

through what we call parliament. Like I

19:42

don't work for government. I work for

19:44

parliament and parliament works for the

19:45

people. We call it the house of commons

19:48

because the it's the house of the common

19:50

people. It's green in there because they

19:51

used to meet in the in the fields of

19:53

England. And so I really view the world

19:56

of our parliament to limit the power of

19:57

government to maximize the power of the

19:59

people, make people bigger, stronger,

20:02

and more fulfilled by having the

20:05

government narrowly focus on the on the

20:06

things it's supposed to do, roads,

20:09

military, basic social safety net,

20:11

borders, police, etc. but then leave

20:13

people alone to live their lives. If I

20:16

were to start a political party from

20:17

scratch, it would be the mind your own

20:19

damn business party, you know, just get

20:21

the government to do its job well, do

20:23

you know, do four or five things really

20:25

well and then let people live their

20:27

lives.

20:28

>> Well, that sounds very reasonable.

20:29

>> Yeah.

20:30

>> Yeah. I mean, anybody that doesn't go

20:32

along with that, anybody that's opposed

20:34

to that, that doesn't even make sense.

20:35

No, look, uh, like I said, the way I

20:38

grew up and everything I've seen ever

20:40

since, when I talk to farmers or factory

20:44

workers, electricians, I find they know

20:48

just as much or more than the so-called

20:50

experts I encounter on Parliament Hill.

20:52

Like back during CO when all these

20:54

governments were printing money, uh, and

20:56

all the politicians and bankers said,

20:58

"Oh, this is great. Uh, well, look at

21:00

all this money we get to spend." I'd

21:01

walk around communities and I'd have

21:03

like mechanics say, "You know, we're

21:05

going to have inflation."

21:06

And I would say, "Yeah, it makes sense

21:08

to me." And I'd go back to Parliament

21:10

Hill and the experts would all say, "No,

21:11

no, there's not going to be any

21:12

inflation." And sure enough, all that

21:14

money filtered into the economy, bid up

21:16

all the goods we buy, and and everybody

21:18

got smoked with higher prices. But the

21:20

point is that it was the it was the

21:22

common people who don't study this stuff

21:24

for a living, who don't read endless

21:27

reports and studies, who could just

21:28

figure out that if there's money pouring

21:30

into the economy that's not matched by

21:32

goods and services, it's going to bid up

21:34

the cost of everything. So that's my

21:37

experience in my my ideology is the

21:39

common guy knows how to make his own

21:40

decisions. We need to empower him to do

21:42

that.

21:43

>> Yeah. And just stay out of people's

21:44

lives.

21:45

>> Exactly. So there's a narrative in

21:47

America and the narrative is that you

21:50

were about to win and your party was

21:52

about to win but then Trump came along

21:55

and said he was going to turn Canada

21:56

into the 51st state and everybody went

21:58

crazy. Is that accurate?

21:59

>> I wouldn't say they went crazy. I mean

22:01

it like they got very upset though. I

22:04

mean

22:05

>> it's a crazy thing to say.

22:06

>> It is a crazy thing to say. Canada's not

22:08

for sale. We're never going to be the

22:09

51st state. Uh, you know, we love

22:11

Americans as neighbors and friends, but

22:13

we we want to be can uniquely and we

22:17

want to be sovereign as Canadians. It's

22:19

our country. It's where we grow up.

22:20

You're a patriot as an American. I'm a

22:22

patriot as a Canadian. It's where my

22:24

grandfather arrived. It's where our

22:26

collective ancestors uh put on military

22:29

uniforms and sailed to fight wars. It's

22:31

where our grandkids are going to live.

22:33

We're very proudly Canadian. So, we're

22:35

never going to be the 51st state. And I

22:38

I just wish he'd knock that [ __ ] off so

22:40

that we can get back to talking about

22:42

the things that that we can do as two

22:44

separate but but two separate countries

22:46

that are actually friends.

22:47

>> Did that really have that much of an

22:49

effect up there? Like did people take

22:50

him seriously?

22:53

>> I think at first everyone thought it was

22:55

a joke because we've always had these

22:58

jokes like you know one day we're going

22:59

to take over Vermont and Detroit should

23:01

be part of Canada and all that stuff.

23:03

But then he kept saying it and saying it

23:05

and uh you know it became un it became

23:10

uh a lot of people got upset about it

23:12

and I think understandably so.

23:13

>> Understandably. Yeah. I mean it's a

23:15

crazy thing to say.

23:16

>> It is a crazy thing to say.

23:18

>> I talked to the phone about it. It was

23:20

like so funny. It's like at first I was

23:21

joking but then people were like it's a

23:23

good idea.

23:24

>> That's not a good idea.

23:26

>> Nobody's saying that. I can assure him

23:28

of that. But uh and and and the tariffs

23:31

aren't a good idea either. We should get

23:32

the tariffs out because there's so much

23:35

we could be doing together as neighbors

23:37

and partners if we got rid of those

23:39

tariffs. Um, you know, the I think what

23:42

are the biggest problems in America

23:43

today? Affordability, security, and we

23:47

can help with both. We knock the tariffs

23:48

down. Let's look at affordability. We

23:50

got the fourth biggest supply of oil

23:52

anywhere on Earth. You guys pay a huge

23:54

price discount for our oil because we're

23:56

effectively all our infrastructure to

23:59

ship it is north south. And it's a very

24:01

unique heavy oil. So we accept uh

24:05

unfortunately and for now a price

24:07

discount on the oil we send you which

24:10

can translate into more jobs and

24:12

paychecks but also lower energy prices.

24:13

You've got $5 a gallon right now in lots

24:16

of places in America. Uh you're buying I

24:18

want to produce more so we can sell 2

24:21

million more barrels of Canadian oil

24:23

into the US market. And then there's

24:25

there's housing. You've got huge housing

24:28

uh pressures on young people. they can't

24:30

afford a place to live. We're the

24:31

biggest supplier of of lumber for home

24:34

building uh of any country that imports

24:36

to the United States, exports to the

24:38

United States. Uh we've got very low

24:40

cost but high quality softwood lumber we

24:42

could be shipping or the best truck the

24:44

bestselling truck in America for 45

24:48

years now is the Ford series. It's

24:51

aluminum. It's a it's a militaryra

24:53

aluminum body. You guys can't make

24:57

enough aluminum here. don't have enough

24:58

boxite or electricity to to convert it

25:00

into aluminum and aluminum. You get your

25:02

your aluminum from us. A tariff does not

25:04

bring the production to America. It

25:06

raises the price of the aluminum and

25:08

therefore the F- series truck. Get rid

25:10

of that tariff. You lower taxes. You

25:12

lower the cost of an F-ser truck for the

25:15

for the miner in Appalachia or the

25:17

electrician in Ohio. And and that's just

25:21

on the affordability side. There's a lot

25:22

we can do with our minerals to make the

25:25

continent a hell of a lot safer as well.

25:27

So, I think it's in America's interest

25:29

to to come towards a a tariff-free deal

25:32

and and trade freely as friends and uh

25:35

that will be good for both of us.

25:37

>> Have you had conversations with Trump

25:38

about this?

25:39

>> No. I I I believe in the rule of uh one

25:42

prime minister at a time. So, I fought

25:44

like hell to win. I didn't win. We came

25:46

very close. So, I I've said, "Listen,

25:48

I'll leave it to the prime minister to

25:50

do the negotiating." and I've said I'll

25:53

support him anyway I can. Even in my

25:54

visit down here, I'm sending him text

25:55

messages to tell him what's going on to

25:57

try and support his work cuz what we

26:00

want we both want what's best for

26:01

Canada.

26:03

>> Where are your elections now? When do

26:05

you have the next elections?

26:07

>> That's um this is a a strangely hard

26:10

question to answer because

26:12

>> I know you have a weird system.

26:13

>> Yeah, it's

26:14

>> weird in comparison to ours rather.

26:16

>> Yours are fixed. Um, as you know, ours,

26:18

we have technically fixed election

26:19

dates, but they but the government can

26:20

fall at any time. It's very simple uh

26:23

rule is that if the opposition parties

26:25

bind up and they can vote down the

26:26

government, that is to say, the majority

26:28

of MPs in the House say we've lost

26:30

confidence in the government, the

26:31

election is now. Or if the prime

26:33

minister uh decides he wants an

26:35

election, he can call it and the

26:36

election is now. But uh he it has to be

26:40

sometime in the next roughly 3 years.

26:43

>> Oh, so you have a deadline where it has

26:45

to take place. Yeah, that's right. So,

26:47

>> but it could happen tomorrow.

26:49

>> The it wouldn't necessarily be tomorrow,

26:52

but like you know in the next few weeks

26:54

if there were a non-confidence vote and

26:56

they government lost it, then then they

26:58

then they go to an election. So, it's

27:00

kind of like the British system.

27:01

>> Interesting.

27:02

>> Yeah. Well, it is the British system

27:03

really. We we we adopted the British

27:05

system almost identically.

27:07

>> So, when you're campaigning, you're

27:10

essentially this is like a long game.

27:12

>> Yeah. You're you're just laying out your

27:14

strategy, laying out what you would do

27:16

to make Canada a better place.

27:18

>> Yeah. Well, we have two roles. So, I I

27:21

said I'm the leader of the opposition,

27:22

but I'm also prime minister in waiting.

27:25

So, the notion is that the Canadian

27:27

people should not only have a

27:28

government, but they should have an

27:29

alternative. And that alternative has

27:31

two functions. Official opposition, it's

27:34

actually called that. I think it's a

27:35

proper noun, capital O official, capital

27:38

Opposition. And also government in

27:40

waiting. So you have to be prosecuting

27:42

the government, but you have to present

27:45

to yourself yourself to people in a way

27:46

where they say, "Yeah, that guy or that

27:48

team could actually be the government."

27:51

Those are the dual roles that I have to

27:52

carry out.

27:53

>> Interesting. And how long have you been

27:57

attempting to become prime minister for?

27:59

How long has this been going on for?

28:01

>> Uh almost exactly four years because I

28:04

launched my campaign in uh February of

28:07

2022. Was this something that you had

28:09

always had in the back of your mind or

28:11

>> I I I I'd say in the back of my mind,

28:13

but it wasn't something I was set on.

28:15

Like uh I I thought maybe, you know,

28:17

when I'm in my 50s or 60s, I would try

28:21

it. Uh but I was in no rush to do that.

28:23

>> How old are you now?

28:24

>> I'm now 46.

28:26

>> And so what motivated you to do it?

28:30

Well, you know, in after CO uh as CO was

28:34

unfolding, it wasn't just the the the CO

28:37

policies themselves. It was the economic

28:39

policies because I've been very focused

28:41

on economics in my parliamentary career.

28:44

And I was seeing the size and cost of

28:46

government, not just in Canada, but all

28:48

around the world growing so much and

28:51

that inflation was just destroying the

28:53

workingclass people and that it was

28:56

going to get a lot worse. And so I I ran

28:59

on the platform of making Canada the

29:01

freest country on earth. Uh that we had

29:03

a a tradition of freedom in Canada. Our

29:06

our one of our earliest prime ministers,

29:08

Wilfrid Laurier, was asked what's your

29:10

what's Canada's nationality. And he

29:12

couldn't actually list an ethnicity or a

29:14

religion because we were already mixed

29:16

up even 100 years ago. We had Scots and

29:18

Irish and

29:19

>> first peoples. So he said, "Look, yeah,

29:21

French, French, most of all French and

29:23

English and first first nations." So he

29:26

said um

29:28

Canada is free and freedom is its

29:30

nationality. And I wanted to reinstate

29:32

that idea. I wanted it to be the freest

29:34

country anywhere on earth. And uh so I

29:36

ran on that platform and won the

29:38

leadership and then uh ran in the last

29:41

election and stayed on after that

29:42

election. So that's kind of the the last

29:44

four years of my journey. And so the way

29:49

your elections work now, so you you're

29:51

essentially just stating your case and

29:53

going around and talking about what

29:55

policies you would implement and how you

29:57

would do things differently and just

29:59

waiting to see how it all plays out.

30:01

>> It's we have um see our our our prime

30:06

minister is different than than the

30:07

president. He's actually part of the

30:09

legislative branch. So he comes in to

30:11

the House of Commons and we debate

30:14

multiple times a week, he and I. So it's

30:16

not just, you know, in your system the

30:18

the Republican and Democrat hold like

30:20

four debates right before the pre the

30:22

election. In our system, we're always

30:23

debating. So he comes in, he's on one

30:25

side, I come in, I'm on the other side,

30:27

and I ask him like six consecutive

30:29

questions, and then he answers, and we

30:31

go back and forth, and that's called

30:33

question period. Then we have these

30:34

committees where we prosecute and

30:36

propose uh on finance, natural

30:39

resources, healthcare, you name it. So

30:40

we're constantly prosecuting the

30:42

government, also proposing better ideas

30:44

at the same time. So like the other day

30:46

I proposed to to bring back the auto

30:48

pack between Canada and the US to have

30:50

tariff-free trade going both ways across

30:52

the the border. So that's an example of

30:54

how I'm in a position to actually offer

30:56

solutions even though I'm not in the

30:58

government and then hopefully government

30:59

actually steals my ideas and I've been

31:01

encouraging them to steal my ideas.

31:03

>> So what

31:05

>> is this coffee by the way? I need some

31:06

caffeine. Yeah, some caffeine there.

31:09

>> I'm a terrible caffeine addict.

31:13

>> Me too. Cheers.

31:15

Cheers.

31:17

>> Oh, and shout out to George St. Pierre

31:18

for hooking this up.

31:19

>> Yes, George is a good man. Great guy. Uh

31:22

he uh he said he's going to have me do

31:24

some pad work with him at some point.

31:26

Really? That's pretty dangerous.

31:27

>> Oh, that's awesome. He's here all the

31:28

time.

31:29

>> He's a fantastic guy.

31:30

>> He's the best. He's one of the best

31:32

representatives of martial arts you you

31:35

could ever hope to meet. He's got

31:37

humility. I remember he came to

31:38

Parliament Hill uh years ago and I

31:40

thought, geez, he's going to be because

31:42

he's I thought he'd be cocky and

31:44

swagger, but he was so down to earth. So

31:46

much humility

31:47

>> for what he's accomplished in MMA. I've

31:50

I've introduced him to people and they

31:52

have no idea who he is. And then I go,

31:54

that is one of the greatest fighters

31:56

that ever walked the face of the earth.

31:58

Absolutely. No way. He's so nice.

32:01

>> And that's the Canadian way though. Like

32:03

it's softspoken and gentle and kind but

32:07

>> tough.

32:08

>> Don't don't piss us off.

32:09

>> Yeah, but tough.

32:10

>> That's where Trump [ __ ] up.

32:13

>> I wonder what would have happened if he

32:14

didn't go along with that 51st state

32:17

nonsense, you know? I mean, that that is

32:19

the narrative in this country, like I

32:21

said, that if he didn't do that, that

32:22

you would have won.

32:23

>> Well, you never know. But I I try not to

32:25

cry over spilled milk. I focus on what I

32:28

have to do and live in the present. Um

32:31

but uh but this new guy um

32:35

Mealot, have you have you followed him?

32:36

Mike Malot.

32:37

>> Oh, sure. I know Mike.

32:37

>> Yeah. He's going to be fighting in

32:39

Winnipeg. I think he's the next GSP.

32:41

>> He's very good.

32:42

>> You like him?

32:42

>> Yeah, he's excellent. Yeah,

32:43

>> he did a great job in Montreal if you

32:46

saw him there. But maybe

32:47

>> Oh, yeah. I've been to many of his

32:49

called bunch of his fights. Excellent.

32:51

Yeah, he's excellent.

32:52

>> Yeah, he's uh my buddy is his trainer,

32:54

Crew Crew Allen Hamalg

32:57

>> uh in um in Hamilton. He's a Hamilton

33:00

steel uh steel town guy and uh anywhere

33:03

we're hoping that he has a big win in

33:04

Winnipeg. So

33:06

>> well you guys have one of the best gyms

33:07

in the world, Tristar in Montreal. Is

33:09

that right?

33:10

>> Fasa Habi who's the

33:12

>> if there there's like maybe a handful of

33:15

great masterminds in in MMA as far as

33:18

coaches and Kas is at the top of the

33:20

list.

33:20

>> Is that right? And what's his

33:22

>> He trained GSP.

33:23

>> Is his discipline karate or kickboxing

33:25

Muay Thai? I mean, he's I mean, he's a

33:28

true mixed martial artist. Black belt

33:29

and jiu-jitsu, kickboxing, every I mean,

33:32

he can do everything. And he has an

33:34

Tristar is a place where a lot of people

33:36

from America go up there for their

33:38

camps.

33:39

>> Interesting.

33:39

>> Yeah.

33:40

>> I have to drop in and see those guys.

33:41

>> Oh, it's phenomenal. I mean, like I

33:43

said, GSP trained up there. A lot a lot

33:45

of fighters trained up there. And he

33:47

also had a great working relationship

33:48

with a lot of people in America. So he

33:50

would come down and, you know, they

33:52

would exchange fighters back and forth

33:54

and train with each other.

33:56

>> Yeah. Well, we have a great martial arts

33:58

tradition in Canada. Um, I don't know if

33:59

you know Mike Miles, he brought Muay

34:01

Thai from from Thailand to uh Calgary

34:05

like back in 7 in the 70s or 80s and he

34:07

still got a great gym there. And uh,

34:10

>> do you know who Jean Tero is?

34:11

>> Yes, he's a buddy of mine. Really? From

34:13

Ottawa? Yeah.

34:13

>> Oh, no kidding.

34:14

>> Yeah, he

34:15

>> he was a hero of mine when I was a kid.

34:17

>> Yeah, he's incredible. When I was

34:18

kickboxing, he was like my idol.

34:21

>> Really?

34:21

>> Yeah.

34:22

>> Does he know that?

34:23

>> I never talked to him.

34:24

>> Well, he's going to see this.

34:25

>> I bought his book.

34:26

>> Yeah,

34:26

>> I bought his book. I started running

34:28

stairs because of his book cuz he was

34:30

talking about how it increased his leg

34:31

muscles and his kicking power.

34:33

>> I remember that. It was in one of his

34:34

documentaries or something. He said his

34:36

kicks weren't strong enough, so he would

34:37

do stairs. But I went and trading at his

34:39

dojo a few times. It's in South Ottawa.

34:41

>> Uh he was incredible. He was uh he was

34:44

one of the truly elite kickboxers of his

34:47

time.

34:48

>> He he he was a great boxer. Like I know

34:50

he he never competed as a boxer, but his

34:52

his hands were fantastic. And

34:54

>> well, that's really what separated him

34:56

from a lot of other people was like his

34:58

accuracy and his technique was pristine.

35:00

>> He told me that he would spend hours

35:03

studying the the distances that your

35:06

limbs would have to travel depending on

35:08

how you moved. He was kind of uh like a

35:11

scientist in the way he learned and

35:13

studied and he was all about simplicity

35:16

and removing anything unnecessary. Uh I

35:19

think Bruce Lee said that he said

35:21

simplicity hack away at the unnecessary

35:24

>> and uh you know how do you what's the

35:25

shortest distance to to hit the strike

35:28

>> and um he's got a great he has a really

35:30

good heart too you know he had um

35:33

>> he has a jiu-jitsu club as well

35:36

>> and when I went in there there was a

35:37

blind fellow who was into jiu-jitsu

35:39

which you can do as a blind person

35:40

because it's so much about feel

35:42

>> but with co he couldn't do jiu-jitsu

35:44

anymore because they they they

35:45

disallowed that kind of up close contact

35:48

so He actually found a way to train this

35:50

guy with focus mitts even though he was

35:52

blind. It was really incredible. Oh wow.

35:54

>> Yeah. It was just but it it was

35:56

incredible amount of patience he had

35:57

invested in making sure this this young

35:59

man could keep doing his physical

36:00

activity throughout co

36:02

>> Wait a minute. So they allowed pad work

36:04

but they didn't allow jiu-jitsu.

36:05

>> I don't know if it was a government

36:06

policy or if it was just it was a policy

36:08

at the gym because you know you're just

36:10

so wrapped up and sweating and I'll le

36:13

the gyms in America everybody just

36:15

>> just kept going.

36:16

>> Kept going. They hid. They would like

36:18

put foil over the windows and like hide

36:20

or come in through the back door. A lot

36:22

of the gyms in LA, that's what they did.

36:24

>> They just plowed ahead.

36:25

>> They just figured out a way to not get

36:28

in trouble and and some people did get

36:30

caught and get in trouble and nothing

36:32

ever came of it because it's pretty

36:34

unconstitutional to tell people that

36:36

they can't work out together. Like the

36:38

government really didn't have the right

36:40

to tell people that they couldn't do

36:43

what they wanted to do. That was a legal

36:45

thing that you can do. Like all of a

36:47

sudden there's this

36:49

mandate, there's this law or rule being

36:52

passed down or at least it's being

36:54

promoted that you're not allowed to go

36:56

to a gym and work out with other people.

36:59

Like, but those are the healthiest

37:01

people. Those are the people that are

37:02

least likely to get sick. Like this this

37:05

is crazy to say. And you know, if you're

37:07

sick and if you just have a good gym

37:10

with good people, say, "Hey, don't show

37:11

up if you're sick." Everybody should be

37:13

okay. These are the people you should

37:15

worry about the least.

37:17

>> We need to have common sense again. And

37:19

uh too many governments in the Western

37:20

world have gone way too bossy. They're

37:22

just looking for every excuse to boss

37:24

people around. And uh that's what we

37:27

have to push back again. and it's you

37:28

know EV mandates or um you know

37:32

excessive uh control of the internet or

37:36

um the massive increase in the cost of

37:39

government which is really like

37:40

appropriating the private voluntary

37:42

economy into the coercive government

37:44

economy. Uh that's uh that's what we're

37:46

seeing across Europe in the UK parts of

37:49

the United States as well as uh back

37:51

home. So we need to we need to reverse

37:54

that trend and get people back in charge

37:55

of their lives. Well, the narrative has

37:57

always been that

37:59

rights lost are never regained or are

38:02

very very difficult to regain them. So,

38:05

how could you reverse that?

38:07

>> Well, you have to keep fighting. I mean,

38:08

we did regain uh our rights uh after co

38:12

and you know the the people have to look

38:15

look at the history of it. How did

38:18

>> which rights did you regain?

38:20

>> Well, the all the mandates are gone now,

38:21

>> of course, but those were ridiculous

38:23

anyway.

38:24

>> Yeah, they were ridiculous. But uh a lot

38:26

>> and they also impeded business. They

38:28

they ruined people's lives, social

38:30

lives.

38:31

>> But freedom has always had to be taken.

38:34

Like you go our tradition goes back to

38:36

to 1215 with the Magna Carta, the great

38:38

charter. And most of the freedoms we

38:40

have today were in that original

38:41

document. Right to a jury trial, uh no

38:45

arrest without charge, no conf comp

38:47

confiscation without compensation, no

38:49

taxation without representation. All

38:51

comes from that one document, the Magna

38:53

Carta. And uh it was because King John

38:56

was taken aside by the barrens and they

38:58

said, "Listen, pal, this is the choice.

39:00

Either you sign this and follow it or we

39:02

overthrow you." And as a result, we got

39:04

the Magna Carta and all of when you guys

39:07

had your Boston Tea Party and said, "You

39:09

can't tax our tea cuz we don't elect

39:11

you." That was an appeal as you were

39:14

Englishmen saying I'm not we're

39:16

Englishmen. We have the right not to be

39:17

taxed unless we vote for it and we're

39:19

going to throw you out otherwise. But

39:21

that came out of the fields of Runny

39:22

Meat in England in 1215. So it's a long

39:26

march towards freedom and it's never

39:28

actually done. Like there's no permanent

39:30

victories or defeats. You just have to

39:32

keep going forward.

39:34

>> So if you were elected, let's say you

39:36

get in right now, what what's one of the

39:38

first things you would do?

39:40

>> I would unblock our resources. So we

39:43

have the most resources of any country

39:44

in the world per capita, bar none. We

39:48

need to have to make it happen though.

39:50

We need to have the fastest permits

39:51

anywhere in the world and the lowest

39:53

taxes on producing those resources.

39:56

We're the fourth in oil, the number

39:58

number one in uranium, number one in pot

40:01

ash for fertilizer. We have the fifth

40:03

biggest supplier of natural gas. We have

40:06

um the longest oceanic coastline. Like

40:09

we are we have 12 of NATO's

40:13

um sorry we have 10 of 12 of NATO's

40:16

defined defense minerals. So, you know,

40:19

you had that guy Palmer Lucky on. I

40:21

don't think he can make his stuff

40:22

without Canadian minerals. Maybe I'm

40:24

wrong, maybe he'll correct me, but like

40:26

night vision technology, you need to

40:28

have uh you need to have germanmanium

40:30

for that. You need to have ga galium to

40:33

make uh semiconductors and radar. You

40:36

need to have aluminum for armored

40:38

vehicles and uh airplanes. You need

40:41

cobalt for heat resistant alloys and

40:43

fighter jets. You need tungsten for uh

40:46

body, sorry, um uh armor-piercing ammun

40:50

ammunition. We have it all. And what I

40:52

want to do is unblock those resources,

40:54

produce them in abundance for ourselves

40:56

and our allies, make, you know, $200,000

40:59

paychecks for our trades workers, build

41:01

up an enormous strategic stockpile of

41:03

it, so that we have tons of leverage in

41:06

international relations, and if, god

41:08

forbid, there is ever a global conflict,

41:10

we would have all the resources

41:11

necessary to win it. So uh but we need

41:14

to we need to pass we need to get rid of

41:16

a lot of laws that are blocking and and

41:18

replace them with laws that have fast

41:21

permitting so that we can produce this

41:22

stuff uh on scale very quickly. So is

41:25

the concern the environmental

41:28

impact of extracting these things?

41:31

>> Is that what's holding it up?

41:32

>> That is the

41:35

that's the ostensible reason. But I just

41:38

think across western the western world

41:41

like Europe, UK, parts of the US and

41:45

Canada, there's a problem with

41:47

bureaucracy just growing way too damn

41:49

big. Like, you know, the First Nations

41:52

in our country are incredibly

41:54

forward-looking. The Squamish built

41:56

6,000 units of housing on 10 acres of

41:59

land. You can believe it. In a town in a

42:01

city of Vancouver where it's very hard

42:03

to get a permit to do anything because

42:04

it was their land, so they did it.

42:06

They're trying to build they're building

42:08

now an LG liquefaction plant where they

42:11

replaced uh an old 30 mil. They cleaned

42:14

it up and put an LG plant there, but the

42:17

federal government took a lot of time,

42:18

14 years to give them a permit. So, we

42:22

need to think like they're thinking,

42:23

which is entrepreneurial, speed of

42:26

business, get it done quickly. Um,

42:28

that's how you develop like we have this

42:30

community in my my district. It's called

42:32

Hardesty, 600 people. They manage a

42:34

hundred billion dollars of oil in a town

42:37

of 600 people. Why is it there? because

42:40

their municipality offers a permit in

42:42

one week with one page. And I wanted to

42:46

tell this story. So I called them and I

42:47

said, "Can I have someone come and do a

42:48

video with me?" And they said, "We don't

42:49

have anyone here. We don't have like

42:51

bureaucrats that can help you." Like

42:53

they're all out on their farms right

42:54

now. They come in, they stamp the

42:55

permit, and they go back to their farm.

42:57

Well, that's why we have a hundred

42:59

billion dollars of energy moving through

43:00

the area, which is bigger than the GDP

43:02

of many countries because they have fast

43:03

permits. And that's what we need in

43:05

Canada. We need to be the fastest place

43:07

to get things done. But don't you think

43:09

you need some safeguards to protect the

43:11

environment? And how do you balance that

43:13

out?

43:14

>> Protect it quickly. We can figure out

43:16

what what whether a project is damaging

43:18

to the environment in weeks and months

43:21

rather than decades. Like there's

43:22

nothing you're going to learn in year 14

43:24

of the review that you couldn't have

43:25

learned in in month 14. So there's ways

43:29

to protect the environment. when the

43:31

Germans So when the Germans had to break

43:32

their dependence on Russia after it

43:35

invaded Ukraine, they approved an an LNG

43:38

import terminal in 60 days. They

43:41

completed the whole damn thing in less

43:43

than 200 days. And guess what? No

43:45

environmental problems. They they got

43:47

their engineers to sit down and figure

43:48

out how to do it quickly. And that's the

43:51

that's the mentality that we need to get

43:52

in Canada.

43:53

>> So what would you be able to do to

43:57

bypass all this bureaucracy? How could

43:59

that be done legally?

44:02

>> Well, you slim it down to one project,

44:04

one environmental review instead of 20

44:06

or 30. You have uh a fixed timeline that

44:09

the bureaucrats have to give an answer

44:11

of 6 months rather than just as long as

44:13

they want to drag it on for. Um, and the

44:16

other thing I would do is study areas

44:17

where they're they're perfectly situated

44:19

to have a project like a pipeline or a

44:21

mine or an LG export terminal or a port

44:23

expansion. And I would pre-permit it. I

44:25

would say to our officials, go in,

44:27

study, make sure that the environmental

44:29

aspects are all in good order. I will

44:30

issue a pre-permit and then anybody who

44:32

comes along and wants to build it, as

44:34

long as they follow the terms and act

44:35

responsibly, has a guaranteed permit

44:37

before they even apply for it. Uh, and

44:40

uh, that I think we would have a roaring

44:42

economy if we did that.

44:44

>> That sounds awesome. But the the great

44:46

fear is that if you do have an impact on

44:49

the environment, that impact is often

44:51

permanent and that it's devastating. And

44:53

I I've seen some of the oil extraction

44:57

that they've done up in Alberta. When

44:59

you look at the area, it looks like like

45:01

scorched earth.

45:02

>> No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. It's the

45:05

most responsible oil extraction in the

45:07

world.

45:07

>> But when you when you see these, what is

45:10

that one area that often gets

45:12

criticized?

45:12

>> Fort Mac.

45:13

>> Is that what it is?

45:14

>> Yeah. It's they're open pit mines. You

45:16

you open up a mine, you take out the you

45:18

take out the bumen. um you subtract you

45:20

you separate the sand from the oil, you

45:23

you make it less viscous by putting

45:25

diluent in it and and you ship it off

45:27

and then after the oil is after the

45:29

mining is done, they they resurface it

45:31

and you wouldn't even know there was a

45:33

mine there

45:34

>> and there's no impact to groundwater, no

45:36

impact to the environment.

45:38

>> I mean, there's an impact no matter what

45:40

you do, but at the end of the day, the

45:41

people who live there are very healthy

45:43

and very happy and they're the strongest

45:44

supporters of the expansion of the oil

45:46

sands. It's an incredible

45:48

>> because economically it's

45:49

>> Oh, it's incredible. It's the best

45:50

resource in the world. So, it's like uh

45:52

there's no decline rate. You guys have

45:54

shale here, but you know, as the years

45:56

go by, you get less and less out of a

45:58

shale uh reservoir. We we have very

46:01

little decline. We can keep producing

46:02

and producing. Uh we have um what's

46:05

called insitu where there's an entire

46:07

oil sands operation under your feet. You

46:09

could be out in a forest hunting and you

46:11

wouldn't even know that under your feet

46:12

they're extracting it through a whole

46:14

system of pipes where they inject just

46:16

steam steam vapor that loosens up the

46:18

oil. It sinks down. It goes into another

46:20

pipe, comes up to the top and you can

46:22

have beautiful pristine nature. The

46:24

bears, the the uh the deer, the birds,

46:27

they don't even know that there's

46:28

extraction happening under their feet.

46:29

So, we have the best industry, the most

46:32

responsible industry anywhere in the

46:33

world. It's been a a really disgusting

46:36

PR campaign by extremist

46:38

environmentalists and frankly some of

46:40

our competitors to try and make our

46:42

industry look bad. But it's the best

46:44

industry in the world.

46:45

>> Yeah, they got me.

46:46

>> Yeah,

46:46

>> I saw some videos on it and I was like,

46:48

"Oh my god, what are they doing to the

46:49

ground? What are they doing to the

46:51

earth? It looks horrible."

46:52

>> They're all It's It's all [ __ ] We

46:54

have the

46:54

>> It looks horrible.

46:56

>> Yeah, but I mean that's just a

46:57

superficial look at it. You I'll take

46:59

you for a tour in the oil sands. You'll

47:01

be amazed. We have the best engineers in

47:02

the world. And by the way, the First

47:04

Nations people absolutely love it

47:06

because it's lifting their people out of

47:08

poverty. They're getting enormous job

47:10

opportunities out of it. One of our MPs

47:12

is a former chief uh where they took uh

47:15

18% unemployment, brought it down to

47:17

three, balanced their budget. Another

47:19

one of my members of parliament in

47:20

Northern British Columbia negotiated a

47:22

$40 billion LNG plant on his uh on the

47:26

Heisla territory. It's completely

47:28

eliminating poverty for the First

47:30

Nations there. And by exporting clean

47:32

Canadian natural gas, which we can

47:34

liquefy 25% cheaper because it's cold as

47:36

hell in Canada, um they uh actually

47:40

displace dirty coal overseas. So instead

47:42

of Asia burning coal, they're burning

47:44

clean Canadian gas uh that's delivered

47:46

by First Nations partnership. So this is

47:48

the best way to do it. Makes everybody

47:50

richer and makes our entire continent

47:53

better off. Well,

47:54

>> it seems so simple the way you're laying

47:56

it out. I don't understand why this

47:57

hasn't been implemented.

47:59

Yeah, this is this is the the story of

48:01

my life. Uh it's frustrating.

48:03

>> Is it that but it's if is it that

48:05

simple? Is it really that this is what's

48:08

holding everything up? The bureaucracy

48:09

and the the time it takes for permits

48:11

and

48:12

>> Yeah. Like a lot of things. We have the

48:15

same thing in housing and and so do you

48:17

like if you look at

48:18

>> you look California is terrible. Like

48:20

why is there such a housing shortage in

48:21

California? It's because it takes

48:23

forever to get a permit and there's

48:25

always bureaucracy standing in the way

48:27

and it totally screws over the

48:28

workingclass youth who can't find a

48:30

place to live because they're not being

48:31

built. And uh we have that challenge in

48:34

Canada as well. So that's why I proposed

48:36

ideas to cut the bureaucracy and the

48:38

taxes so that we can build affordable

48:40

homes for our youth cuz right now we

48:42

have a whole generation that can't

48:43

afford homes. And that was one of the

48:46

biggest issues I ran on. Home ownership

48:47

is necessary for family formation, for

48:51

civil peace in society where, you know,

48:53

everybody feels like they have a piece

48:54

of the pie. Um, we need to expand home

48:57

ownership. But to do that, you've got to

48:58

get the government gatekeepers out of

49:00

the way, speed up the permits, free up

49:02

the land, cut the development taxes.

49:05

>> So, let's assume that you got in office.

49:08

How much time would it take to start

49:11

implementing these things? And how

49:13

quickly would that impact be felt by the

49:16

Canadian people?

49:17

>> Look, I think a lot of them could move

49:18

very quickly. There's a lot of projects

49:20

that are pe that that investors are

49:22

sitting on, but they don't have uh

49:24

certainty and permits. So, I would

49:26

unblock that. And I think in the first

49:28

year, you would start to see immediate

49:30

benefits uh for the working people who'd

49:32

be getting these jobs. Um, some of it

49:36

would take more and more like a

49:37

medium-term. Like the second thing I

49:40

would go after is just the inflationary

49:42

spending which is a big problem all over

49:46

the western world. Like people just

49:49

can't afford to live. I don't know if

49:51

you you do do you you encounter that

49:52

around here?

49:53

>> Oh yeah. Yeah. I mean inflation is crazy

49:56

>> and it's I mean the national debt in

49:58

America just went up to 39 trillion,

50:00

>> right? Which is bigger than your GDP.

50:02

>> It's a lot of money. So, so explain this

50:05

to me. 50 years ago, a barber and a a

50:09

barber and a waitress could buy a house

50:12

with a big yard for a dog and raise four

50:14

kids, meat and potatoes on the dinner

50:16

table every night. And now an accountant

50:18

and a lawyer can't do that. Why is that?

50:22

>> Well, there's a lot of spending and a

50:24

lot of making money. lot of just

50:26

turning, you know, just just making

50:31

>> dollar bills

50:32

>> with nothing behind it, nothing to back

50:34

it.

50:34

>> This is the biggest fraud perpetrated on

50:37

the workingclass people in the last

50:39

hundred years.

50:40

>> Printing money is just insane. It's just

50:42

the the idea you just print more money.

50:44

It's like and people go, "Oh, okay."

50:46

>> Well, it looks it looks painless at

50:48

first, but if you have an economy with

50:50

10 apples and $10, it's a buck an apple.

50:53

You double the number of dollars to 20,

50:55

but you still only have 10 apples. Well,

50:58

all of a sudden, it's two bucks an

50:59

apple. It's not that the cost of apples

51:01

has gone up. It still costs the same

51:04

resources to grow the and pick the

51:05

apples. Is that the the price has gone

51:07

up because the value of the money has

51:09

gone down, right?

51:10

>> So, in America over the last 55 years,

51:14

you've doubled the number of homes in

51:15

America from about 70 million to 150

51:18

million. You know how much the money

51:19

supply has grown? 30 times. So you have

51:23

twice the homes but 30 times the cash.

51:27

So what's happened? Housing costs have

51:30

gone up 15fold in 55 years. And now an

51:33

entire generation of kids can't afford

51:35

homes. We have exactly the same problem

51:36

in Canada. Uh this is the biggest wealth

51:39

transfer from the working class to the

51:42

the elites from uh I say the h have nots

51:45

to the have yachts and Washington and

51:48

Wall Street love it by the way because

51:49

it inflates the stock market inflates

51:51

the bureaucracy. Politicians get to

51:53

spend. CEOs get their stocks uh

51:56

inflated. Um but it destroys the working

51:59

people. And we need to get back to to

52:01

hard money. Everything should be getting

52:03

cheaper by the way. You know, it takes

52:05

80 60 to 80% less resources to grow

52:08

food. We grow four times the food on the

52:09

same acre, get four times as much milk

52:12

from the same cow. We use 80% less water

52:15

and fertilizer. So why isn't it that

52:16

food is not less expensive? It's because

52:19

all of those gains are being erased by

52:22

monetary inflation. So it's not that

52:24

food is more costly, it's that the

52:26

value, the money we use to buy it has

52:28

less uh purchasing power. And uh we need

52:32

to do what the Swiss do, which is they

52:33

don't print money. They have balanced

52:34

budgets. They have almost no deficit.

52:37

And they have almost zero inflation in

52:39

Switzerland. They have the strongest

52:40

money in the world, the Swiss Frank. And

52:43

uh we would all be better if we operated

52:45

like the Swiss when it comes to our

52:48

money.

52:48

>> So in a real world scenario, it's like

52:51

you you take over Canada. How would you

52:53

go about implementing this?

52:54

>> You got to cut bureaucracy, consultants,

52:58

which consume, by the way, $26 billion

53:00

of spending.

53:01

>> How big is your debt in Canada? uh

53:02

1.3ish trillion.

53:04

>> Oh, that's baby debt.

53:06

>> It's comp compared to you. You guys are

53:08

you guys are ridiculous.

53:10

>> Wild. But you know, you've gotten away

53:11

with it because the dollar the American

53:13

dollar is the reserve currency.

53:15

>> So all these countries prop up the value

53:17

of the US dollar by keeping it on

53:19

reserve. Um better hope that doesn't

53:21

change.

53:22

>> Yeah, better hope.

53:23

>> We we we don't have that luxury. And so

53:26

uh but we do have a lot of debt and we

53:29

have a lot we have provinces too.

53:30

They're quite indebted. But um I would

53:33

cut the bureaucracy. I would cut uh

53:35

consultants, foreign aid. I'd cut way

53:37

back on foreign aid. Uh the we give out

53:40

corporate welfare, these checks to

53:41

corporations. I believe business should

53:43

make money rather than take money. So I

53:45

would get rid of that. We're giving a

53:47

lot of money to fake fake refugees. Um

53:50

people who come in and don't uh actually

53:54

or they're not actually fleeing danger.

53:56

Um like I love real refugees. My wife

53:58

was a refugee, but I have no time for

54:01

people who are pretending, but they're

54:02

not really.

54:03

>> And what do you mean by pretending to be

54:04

a refugee? How are they doing this?

54:06

>> They're not actually endangered in their

54:07

home country. So, they've come to be

54:10

declared themselves as students and then

54:13

wanting to stay, declaring a refugee

54:15

status.

54:15

>> Oh, and this is common.

54:17

>> Yeah, it happens. It happens. And I

54:19

mean, they just want to have a better

54:20

life. So I don't I don't begrudge them

54:22

as people, but we can't we can't spend

54:24

money on social service to enhance

54:27

social services, advanced programs that

54:29

we as Canadians don't get for people who

54:32

are not paying into.

54:32

>> So you're not opposed to them being

54:33

there. You're opposed to them getting

54:36

>> I'm opposed to them if if they're not

54:38

real refugees, they shouldn't be brought

54:40

in as refugees. I think we have to

54:42

distinguish between those people who are

54:44

actually in danger in their home

54:45

country, which is the definition of an a

54:48

refugee, and someone who just wants to

54:50

come uh in in excess of uh of their

54:53

their proper immigration.

54:54

>> Is it that common that it's actually

54:56

affecting our economy?

54:59

>> Right now, it's a challenge because um

55:00

we had a big number of international

55:02

students and temporary foreign workers

55:04

that came in in very large numbers in

55:06

like 2 or 3 years. um we were bringing

55:09

in about a million people a year which

55:11

in in America's terms would be 10

55:12

million like just if you're doing per

55:14

capita and it really caused a housing

55:17

shortage um like some places where you

55:20

have 26 of these students living in one

55:22

basement. Um so we're trying to unwind

55:24

that now

55:26

>> and how how do you do that?

55:28

>> Well, when their work permit and their

55:29

visitor visa runs out, then we have to

55:32

encourage them to to head back um

55:35

lawfully,

55:36

>> right? But you don't want to do it ICE

55:39

style.

55:39

>> No. No. I don't think we need to do

55:41

that. I just think we have to be orderly

55:43

and lawful about it.

55:45

>> And is that supported by the Canadian

55:46

people?

55:47

>> Yes. Because we're a very welcoming

55:48

country. We're a nation of immigrants,

55:50

but we're also a nation of laws. And we

55:54

the there's a general consensus like

55:56

across the the spectrum in Canada that

55:58

there there was the the population

56:00

growth was too fast for like four or

56:03

five years. And uh so we're we're trying

56:06

to unwind that. Now,

56:08

>> um what are what are the other things

56:10

that you would have to do to drop your

56:13

debt and sort of balance your budget and

56:17

begin to turn things around?

56:19

>> Well, in addition, so I I I like this

56:21

idea that actually, believe it or not,

56:23

the Clint that Bill Clinton and the

56:25

Republicans did in the '9s in the US. It

56:28

was called the payo law. It was a very

56:30

simple principle. Every time the

56:32

administration wanted to bring in a new

56:34

dollar of spending, they had to match it

56:36

with a dollar of savings. So there was

56:38

no extra net spending for like eight

56:41

years. And that's when your government

56:43

balanced its budget and paid off $400

56:46

billion of debt. That law elapsed in

56:49

2002.

56:50

And immediately after that, America went

56:53

back into deficits. And you haven't

56:54

emerged. You've been in deficit now for

56:56

25 years. This is about internalizing

56:59

scarcity. Every creature in the

57:00

universe, every bird in the trees, every

57:03

fish in the seas has to live with

57:04

scarcity, maximizing use of scarce

57:07

resources. The only creature who doesn't

57:09

do that is the politician because he's

57:11

always using someone else's money,

57:13

>> right? It's like, oh, I'll just print it

57:15

or borrow it or tax it. It's not my

57:17

money.

57:18

>> And so, they routinely show up to their

57:20

cabinet meetings and say, I've got a new

57:22

idea. It's $100 million. Where are you

57:24

going to get it? I don't know. We'll

57:25

print it. We'll borrow it. We'll we'll

57:27

tax it. Not my money. But if you had a

57:29

law saying you can't actually bring a

57:31

proposal to cabinet unless you have

57:32

matching savings to pay for it, well

57:34

then you'd have these politicians

57:35

walking up and down the hallways in

57:36

their departments looking for waste and

57:38

like rooting it out. So instead of

57:41

making the single mom, the senior or the

57:43

small business owner live with scarcity,

57:45

I want the politicians and bureaucrats

57:46

to live with scarcity. And that's what I

57:48

would impose by law on my government.

57:51

>> Well, it's just a rational way to deal

57:54

with the problem. like don't spend money

57:57

unless you could save money.

57:58

>> Exactly.

57:59

>> That's how you balance things out. I

58:00

mean, Clinton did balance the budget.

58:03

>> He did

58:03

>> during his time. And people forget that

58:04

because we've always assumed that

58:06

there's always been this extraordinary

58:07

debt, but that's not the case. During

58:09

the 1990s,

58:11

>> I mean, it he did a fantastic job at

58:13

that.

58:14

>> Yeah. They I mean, it was that Congress

58:15

was was very disciplined as well, and

58:17

the American people just got fed up and

58:18

said, "We're not tolerating these

58:20

deficits anymore." And and they imposed

58:22

scarcity from the center. And by the

58:24

way, the economy boomed because the

58:25

government was restrained. Then the free

58:27

market economy could just roar. And

58:30

that's uh another part of the equation,

58:32

by the way, is unlock the power of free

58:35

enterprise. Like this is the 250th

58:38

anniversary, not just of the Declaration

58:40

of Independence, but also of Adam

58:43

Smith's Wealth of Nations, where he

58:45

basically for the first time in human

58:46

history described the free market

58:48

system. And um that was starting to

58:51

flourish in the states and in parts of

58:53

Europe. And that system

58:56

basically started to come into place

58:58

after you know the late 1770s. The

59:01

growth since the free market system has

59:03

came in come into place in in the world

59:05

has been 200 times faster than it was

59:08

before because there's is the most

59:11

powerful system for generating material

59:13

benefit for the people and that's what

59:15

we need to restore in Canada. I want to

59:17

make it the freest economy in the world.

59:20

Well, that all sounds amazing. How the

59:22

hell did you lose?

59:29

How can a rational person not vote for

59:31

that? I mean, you're not saying anything

59:32

that's restrictive. You're not saying

59:34

anything that is in any way infringing

59:37

on people's rights or liberties or It

59:40

just sounds like it's all just 100%

59:42

positive for Canada.

59:43

>> That's what I think. That's that's my

59:45

mission and I think it will be positive

59:47

and we'll get there, you know. Um,

59:49

Canadians do things through evolution,

59:50

not revolution. So, I'm just going to

59:53

keep pushing my ideas and I think that I

59:55

think overwhelmingly we'll we'll win the

59:56

next election.

59:57

>> Well, it sounds like

1:00:00

I I just can't see how someone would

1:00:02

listen to what you're saying and say I

1:00:04

find fault in this. Other than like the

1:00:06

the potential environmental impact of

1:00:09

extracting resources, I could see how a

1:00:12

lot of the greenies would get like

1:00:13

really upset and get their panties in a

1:00:15

bunch about that and and be very

1:00:17

incredulous to the idea that you're

1:00:18

going to protect the environment while

1:00:20

you're extracting all these resources.

1:00:22

But if you could lay it all out and also

1:00:24

lay out this enormous economic impact

1:00:27

and how it would uplift impoverished

1:00:29

communities, how it would completely

1:00:31

change the economic landscape of the

1:00:34

country,

1:00:35

>> it just only makes sense. That's why I'm

1:00:37

baffled.

1:00:40

>> Well, listen, the people render their

1:00:41

judgment, but I it means I have to do a

1:00:43

better job of uh processing.

1:00:45

>> What were the criticisms of you? like

1:00:46

what did your opponent say that like

1:00:50

people that resonated with people?

1:00:52

>> Um

1:00:52

>> what were they trying to say?

1:00:53

>> It was funny because they all disagreed

1:00:56

with my ideas and they said these are

1:00:57

all very scary ideas.

1:00:58

>> Scary

1:00:59

>> and then they said first of all they

1:01:01

said they said that I had no policies

1:01:03

then they said uh they're scary policies

1:01:05

and then they stole my policies right

1:01:06

before the election. So uh but hey

1:01:09

listen if the government that's in power

1:01:11

now steals all my ideas and does the

1:01:13

things I want to do then I then I've

1:01:15

won. That's why I came here. I didn't

1:01:16

just do it so that I could have the my

1:01:18

name on the door. So, I keep saying to

1:01:20

the prime minister, "Seal my ideas."

1:01:22

>> Right. But he doesn't want to.

1:01:25

>> Well, he uh I I won't criticize him on

1:01:28

foreign soil. We'll uh but uh

1:01:31

>> Good for you.

1:01:31

>> Yeah. I mean, uh we have a mutual

1:01:33

respect.

1:01:33

>> That's such a Canadian thing to do.

1:01:34

>> That is a very Canadian thing to do.

1:01:36

>> So polite, you know,

1:01:38

>> that's what I'm saying about Canadians.

1:01:39

They're so polite. It's funny, your

1:01:41

security guy was talking about the

1:01:43

Canadian standoff of uh, you know, when

1:01:45

you get to a door, you go first. No, you

1:01:46

go first. No, you go first. You could

1:01:47

stay there all day. I actually looked

1:01:49

this up the other day. Ontario actually

1:01:51

has an apology act. It's a law that

1:01:54

defines the apology because we always

1:01:56

say sorry in Canada. So, they wanted to

1:01:58

clarify that sorry is not a legal

1:02:00

admission of guilt. So, like if we get

1:02:01

into a car accident, I say, "Oh, sorry

1:02:03

man. I was terrible at your bumper. It

1:02:05

doesn't mean that I'm guilty."

1:02:07

So, it's actually in law. Even if

1:02:10

somebody else screwed up, you say sorry.

1:02:13

That's funny. That's so Canadian.

1:02:15

>> But you know, the the great thing about

1:02:17

Canada is we've always sorted our [ __ ]

1:02:19

out peacefully. Like the the the the

1:02:21

Protestants and Catholics tore each

1:02:23

other's eyeballs out in Europe for like

1:02:25

hundreds of years. And then we came to

1:02:27

Canada and just got along. And and

1:02:29

that's the great thing about Canada is

1:02:30

like you can come you know Muslims and

1:02:32

Jews, Christians uh and uh uh sorry um

1:02:36

Protestants and Catholics uh Hindus and

1:02:38

Sikhs they come to Canada and they just

1:02:40

get along. They live on the same streets

1:02:42

eventually. We all start intermaring and

1:02:44

uh it's a it's a great thing about

1:02:46

Canada.

1:02:46

>> Well, it really is a great melting pot,

1:02:49

you know.

1:02:49

>> Yeah. And and like folks get to keep

1:02:51

their their cultures like uh at the same

1:02:54

time as uh blending into the Canadian

1:02:56

identity. Like my wife my wife's from

1:02:58

Venezuela and uh so like you know

1:03:01

oftentimes I like I'm I'm in the house

1:03:03

and there's like 16 Latinos and they're

1:03:05

all speaking Spanish. I have no idea

1:03:06

what the hell's going on and uh they

1:03:09

have this food. It's called a jackass.

1:03:11

And I said you know when they start

1:03:12

start cooking this stuff I thought my I

1:03:14

said to my wife did did your mom just

1:03:16

call me a a jackass? Um cuz that's what

1:03:19

it sounded like.

1:03:20

>> I don't speak any Spanish but uh

1:03:22

>> you should probably learn.

1:03:23

>> I should now.

1:03:23

>> They're yapping in your house. It's a

1:03:24

great It's a great uh My kids are

1:03:27

starting to learn Spanish, so I'm going

1:03:28

to be outnumbered.

1:03:29

>> Yeah, you better learn it.

1:03:30

>> Yeah.

1:03:31

>> Yeah.

1:03:32

>> But

1:03:32

>> um so what else is uh an an issue in

1:03:37

Canada that you would like to fix?

1:03:40

>> Talk to me those napkins. I got a I got

1:03:43

an allergy I'm dealing with.

1:03:45

>> We we got to toughen up our justice

1:03:46

system. Um it it got way too soft.

1:03:50

And uh

1:03:51

>> What's wrong with your justice system?

1:03:52

>> Basically bail. Um I I mean we all

1:03:55

believe in the basic principle that

1:03:57

you're innocent till approve pro proven

1:03:58

guilty. But if someone's convicted has

1:04:01

have like 150 prior convictions and

1:04:03

they're newly arrested on their latest

1:04:05

crime.

1:04:05

>> Yeah.

1:04:06

>> I don't think we should be releasing

1:04:08

them onto the streets. And uh so we got

1:04:10

two lakhs on bail. So there's now a

1:04:13

consensus in Canada that you should have

1:04:15

severe restrictions on repeat offenders.

1:04:18

Like in Vancouver, they had to arrest

1:04:19

the same 40 guys 6,000 times in one

1:04:23

year. 40 guys, 6,000 arrests. So,

1:04:26

they're basically being released within

1:04:29

hours of their latest arrest. So, we're

1:04:31

we're we now built a bipartisan

1:04:33

multipartisan consensus to fix that. And

1:04:36

uh we're pushing to toughen the bail

1:04:38

system um and ensure that it's the

1:04:42

repeat offenders. It's a tiny group. We

1:04:44

don't have a lot of criminals in Canada,

1:04:46

but they do a tremendous amount of

1:04:47

crime. So, if you take them off the

1:04:48

street, you put them in prison, you can

1:04:51

basically reduce the crime rate

1:04:52

dramatically.

1:04:53

>> Well, we probably have more crime

1:04:55

percentage-wise in America, but it's

1:04:57

still a small percentage of the

1:04:59

population that commits the crime. But

1:05:01

it's the same issue. Like in New York

1:05:02

City, it's extraordinary the amount of

1:05:04

people that are repeat offenders. Yeah.

1:05:06

>> And they just let them go. In

1:05:08

California, no cash bail, let them go.

1:05:11

It's like it is bananas. And it doesn't

1:05:13

make any sense and it doesn't make

1:05:15

anybody help. I understand you want to

1:05:17

be empathetic and I understand these

1:05:19

narratives that the prison system is

1:05:20

racist and the justice system is racist

1:05:23

and these people never been given a a

1:05:25

great shake in life. Well, if you want

1:05:27

to fix that, start in these impoverished

1:05:30

neighborhoods, establish community

1:05:32

centers, establish better education,

1:05:34

fund that, but don't let hardened

1:05:37

criminals back on the street when they

1:05:40

>> they're habitual. They've been if you've

1:05:43

been arrested 40, 50 times, it doesn't

1:05:45

seem like you're getting any better. So,

1:05:47

whatever rehabilitation process they

1:05:49

have going on there, that's not working.

1:05:52

So, keep doing the same thing over and

1:05:53

over again. Unless you like crime, I

1:05:56

don't understand why you would do that.

1:05:58

>> This has been, you know, it's imposed by

1:06:00

these so-called experts. They tell, oh,

1:06:01

we've done all these studies that show

1:06:03

that the soft on crime policies work,

1:06:05

but everywhere it been, it's been tried,

1:06:07

it's been an absolute disaster anywhere

1:06:09

in the Western world. We have a town

1:06:11

called Pentictton. There's one guy who

1:06:14

the police can tell by looking at the

1:06:16

the crime rate whether he's been in jail

1:06:18

or not. He comes out of jail. The crime

1:06:21

rate for the entire town of actually

1:06:24

goes up.

1:06:24

>> That's so crazy.

1:06:26

>> But you just keep him in prison though.

1:06:27

>> That seems so simple to solve. It's like

1:06:30

there's so many of these problems with

1:06:31

government that it's just like rational

1:06:33

thinking is one of one of the great

1:06:36

interviews that I loved about you. you

1:06:37

were eating an apple and you were

1:06:39

talking to this guy who was being

1:06:41

completely ridiculous and you were

1:06:42

asking him to define what the the issues

1:06:44

that he had and it was so funny. It was

1:06:46

like this is what happens when a

1:06:47

rational person meets a person with

1:06:49

empty narratives. It was such a weird

1:06:51

moment because

1:06:52

>> you just kept eating that apple.

1:06:54

>> It was such a It was such a good apple.

1:06:56

It was so good. That's the thing. And

1:06:58

the thing is I didn't even realize I was

1:07:00

being taped. I thought it was a print

1:07:01

interview.

1:07:02

>> Oh, that's hilarious.

1:07:04

>> That's why I think I was so relaxed. Uh,

1:07:07

but so I'm in the most beautiful place

1:07:08

in the world. If you ever if you haven't

1:07:10

been to the Okanagan, it's unbelievable.

1:07:12

Like it's lakes, it's mountains, it's

1:07:15

nice dry weather and there's orchards

1:07:17

and vineyards there. Like you'd love it.

1:07:19

And so I'm in an apple orchard and I'm

1:07:22

walking around just talking with people

1:07:23

and my staff says, "This reporter wants

1:07:25

to do an interview and I'm enjoying the

1:07:26

apple." He comes up, starts asking

1:07:28

questions. Nobody who was there thought

1:07:30

this was a moment. Like we'd thought

1:07:32

nothing of it. We dumped the whole

1:07:33

thing. My my staff, unbeknownst to me,

1:07:35

was recording my whole walk. We dumped

1:07:37

this 15-minute video on the internet. No

1:07:39

one noticed it. And like 3 weeks later,

1:07:41

my phone blows up and people say, "Hey,

1:07:43

how about that apple?" I'm like, "What

1:07:44

is he? What are they talking about this

1:07:46

apple thing?" And then, you know, within

1:07:48

3 days, everybody's talking to me about

1:07:50

this damn apple that I had almost

1:07:51

forgotten about eating.

1:07:53

>> So, weird things.

1:07:54

>> That conversation sort of it embodied

1:07:59

this issue. It really did because you

1:08:02

have rational thinking and empty

1:08:04

narratives colliding

1:08:06

>> right

1:08:06

>> while you're eating an apple. Like

1:08:08

you're so casual about it. You're

1:08:09

actually eating an apple. Which was so

1:08:11

perfect. I mean, you couldn't if if you

1:08:13

planned on like if you had a PR team, I

1:08:15

think you should be eating an apple.

1:08:17

They'd be like, "Oo, I like it." So he's

1:08:19

casual. He's eating fruit. It's healthy.

1:08:22

You know,

1:08:22

>> it was totally coincidence. Like out of

1:08:24

nowhere, not planned. And not even

1:08:26

noticed. Like I said, no one there

1:08:28

thought this was going to be a moment.

1:08:30

We just like totally forgot about it.

1:08:32

>> Well, it made it in America. It was

1:08:34

viral in America. And we were like, "How

1:08:36

come that guy's not the prime minister?

1:08:38

What the hell's going on?"

1:08:39

>> Well, in the meantime, you can buy

1:08:40

ambrosio apples from uh the South

1:08:42

Okonagan. I'm really plugging a lot of

1:08:44

uh sales for the Canadian economy today.

1:08:46

>> You know what I found out about Canadian

1:08:49

um maple syrup?

1:08:50

>> What's that?

1:08:51

>> It is actually a superfood and it is

1:08:53

actually better for you than honey. Is

1:08:56

that right?

1:08:57

>> Yeah. It contains a bunch of polyphenols

1:08:59

and a bunch of like healthy nutrients.

1:09:02

>> I always thought maple syrup was just a

1:09:03

guilty pleasure you poured on pancakes.

1:09:05

>> No, it's a totally Canadian thing.

1:09:07

>> It's really good for you.

1:09:08

>> So, you take it before your workout?

1:09:09

>> No. No. I just watched a Instagram video

1:09:12

yesterday. Somebody sent it to me and I

1:09:14

was like, "What is this?"

1:09:15

>> We'll have to send you a bunch of maple

1:09:16

syrup from Canada. I've had a bunch of

1:09:19

>> We actually have a maple syrup reserve

1:09:21

in Canada. Like a reserve of of excess

1:09:24

stockpiles. like a oil reserve.

1:09:26

>> Well, we don't have an oil reserve. This

1:09:27

is something I want to change. I want to

1:09:28

have an oil reserve, but I also want to

1:09:30

keep the maple syrup reserve cuz we're

1:09:32

Canadians after all. There's nothing

1:09:33

more Canadian than that.

1:09:35

>> Well, it's so delicious. I can't believe

1:09:36

it's good for you. Make sure that's

1:09:38

true.

1:09:40

>> I mean, in what way is it true?

1:09:42

>> Uh, are there nutrients? Let's put it

1:09:44

into perplexity. Our sponsored it. I

1:09:46

compared it verse honey. I'll give you

1:09:48

what it showed. That's not saying it's

1:09:49

like better. Maple syrup and honey are

1:09:51

both sugary, but maple syrup is slightly

1:09:53

lower in calories. Glycemic index has

1:09:55

more minerals like magnes

1:09:58

maganese

1:09:59

and calcium. While honey is a bit higher

1:10:02

in calories, has a slightly stronger

1:10:03

impact on blood sugar.

1:10:05

Well, this guy on uh Instagram was very

1:10:09

convincing. I wish I saved it.

1:10:11

>> I think it's convincing. I think you

1:10:12

should go with it.

1:10:13

>> I'm in it.

1:10:14

>> I'm done.

1:10:15

>> Stick with it.

1:10:16

>> Tastes better, too.

1:10:16

>> Yeah, it's the best. It's fantastic. Put

1:10:19

that with a little bit of Greek yogurt.

1:10:20

You get your protein.

1:10:21

>> Oh yeah,

1:10:22

>> that's what I do. Greek yogurt

1:10:24

>> and maple syrup. Maybe start a trend cuz

1:10:26

everybody uses honey on their yogurt.

1:10:28

>> No, maple syrup from Canada. Cuz if it's

1:10:30

not from Canada, it's not the real deal.

1:10:31

>> Well, there's a lot of fake syrup,

1:10:33

right?

1:10:33

>> There's a lot of junk out there. When

1:10:35

you go to a pancake house and they have

1:10:37

that stuff in the little plastic cups,

1:10:39

that's garbage. Yeah. You don't want to

1:10:40

have That's manufactured crap.

1:10:43

>> Well, that's the case with honey as

1:10:44

well. Oh, I had a woman in here once. It

1:10:45

was a beekeeper and she was explaining

1:10:47

to us that a lot of uh honey is not

1:10:49

actually honey. They water it down with

1:10:52

uh corn syrup.

1:10:53

>> There's so much shed in our food these

1:10:55

days.

1:10:55

>> Yes.

1:10:56

>> I I believe in eating clean

1:10:58

>> 100%. Well, I mean that was one of the

1:11:00

primary factors uh for me supporting

1:11:03

this administration was RFK Jr. in this

1:11:06

make America healthy again initiative

1:11:08

because I think you know I had my friend

1:11:10

Brigham Beller yesterday from ways to

1:11:12

well on and you know we hammered this

1:11:16

many times over and over again but

1:11:18

people need to hear it we spend more

1:11:20

money on healthcare and we're sicker

1:11:22

than we've ever been before and we have

1:11:24

more chronic illness and we have more

1:11:26

money none of it makes any sense it's

1:11:28

completely ridiculous and it's obvious

1:11:30

that people are eating the wrong things

1:11:32

and there was so much outrage of him

1:11:35

implementing all these healthy choices

1:11:36

and trying to get rid of dyes that are

1:11:38

illegal in Canada. Like the same cereals

1:11:41

that the same factory sells in Canada,

1:11:45

they sell with natural dyes and in

1:11:47

America we demand them to be more

1:11:50

colorful so we put poison in them.

1:11:51

>> Really?

1:11:52

>> Yeah.

1:11:53

>> Is that No, you know what what are the

1:11:55

uh what do you think are the dietary

1:11:58

habits that are making people in the

1:12:01

western world sick right now? Like is it

1:12:03

the dyes? Is it the sugars? Is it the

1:12:06

carbs? Like what what's getting people

1:12:07

in?

1:12:08

>> There's a lot of things. First of all,

1:12:09

it's processed foods. Processed foods is

1:12:12

a an enormous percentage of a lot of

1:12:15

Americans diets.

1:12:16

>> Things with massive amounts of

1:12:18

preservatives in them. And that that's

1:12:21

like if you want like a general

1:12:22

guideline, eat real food. Eat real eggs,

1:12:26

real vegetables, real meat, real fish.

1:12:29

You'll be healthier. Yeah. As soon as

1:12:30

you start having things that can sit on

1:12:32

a shelf forever, except things like rice

1:12:34

and you know normal beans, like things

1:12:36

that are dried, that makes sense. They

1:12:38

could sit there. But if something can

1:12:39

just sit on a shelf for a long period of

1:12:42

time and you consume it, how is it just

1:12:44

not rotting? Like I'm sure you've seen

1:12:46

where they've taken a McDonald's Big Mac

1:12:48

and they've just let it sit, take a

1:12:50

cheeseburger in a box and the guy pulls

1:12:53

it out like 10 years later. It looks

1:12:54

exactly the same. That's not food.

1:12:56

>> The bacteria didn't want to eat it. They

1:12:58

looked at it and they were like, "I'm

1:12:59

not eating that."

1:13:00

>> If bacteria doesn't eat it, if mold

1:13:01

doesn't eat it, that's crazy. Why are

1:13:03

you eating it? Like, there's something

1:13:05

in it preventing the mold from growing.

1:13:08

What is that? Well, that stuff [ __ ]

1:13:10

with your gut bacteria. It's it's

1:13:11

terrible for your body. And empty

1:13:15

calories. And we we consume an enormous

1:13:17

amount of processed food in this

1:13:19

country. And if you want to be a

1:13:21

healthier person, eat real fruit, eat

1:13:23

real food, eat real vegetables, eat real

1:13:25

meat. It's that simple. just that that

1:13:29

would fix 90% of our problems when it

1:13:31

comes to people's diets.

1:13:34

>> And we like when my uh my wife once

1:13:36

looked at some of the baby formula we

1:13:38

had and she said she looked on it, she

1:13:40

said, "There's no expiry date on this.

1:13:41

This never goes bad."

1:13:42

>> That's crazy.

1:13:43

>> That can't be that can't be a good

1:13:44

thing,

1:13:45

>> right? Meanwhile, breast milk you have

1:13:46

to freeze, right?

1:13:48

>> Exactly. So, uh and then what about on

1:13:50

the like the fitness side? What do you

1:13:52

think we can do? I mean, beyond you

1:13:54

you've done a lot just talking about it

1:13:56

with your the size of your audience,

1:13:58

you've probably got a lot of people off

1:14:00

the couch, but what policies do you

1:14:02

think we could push that would get

1:14:04

people physically active, working out,

1:14:07

moving again?

1:14:08

>> Well, the real important thing is

1:14:09

community. The the easiest way to get

1:14:11

fit is to to get around a bunch of other

1:14:14

people that are also involved in the

1:14:15

same endeavor, right? If you have a

1:14:17

bunch of friends that are unhappy with

1:14:19

the way their life is, like just go walk

1:14:21

together. say, "Hey guys, let's all go

1:14:24

for a walk after dinner together, right?

1:14:26

Let's all decide like as a neighborhood

1:14:28

to go walk. Just walk for a half an hour

1:14:30

after your meals. It'll lower your

1:14:32

glycemic index. It'll change your body.

1:14:35

It'll make you healthier. You'll feel

1:14:36

better.

1:14:37

>> You know, it it just does so much for

1:14:40

you, just movement and activity. And if

1:14:43

you're involved with a group of people

1:14:45

that are also inclined in the same

1:14:48

direction, they're also trying to get

1:14:50

better, trying to get fit, then you kind

1:14:51

of you're, you know, you feed off of

1:14:54

your atmosphere. People imitate the

1:14:56

people that are around them and you get

1:14:58

support from the people that are around

1:14:59

them. You know, make it a little healthy

1:15:01

competition. you know, who can, you

1:15:03

know, do the most exercise and who can

1:15:06

do the most, you know, what whatever it

1:15:08

is, like whether it's a sport or whether

1:15:10

it's a game or whether it's just

1:15:12

something that you enjoy doing that's

1:15:14

physically

1:15:16

physically taxing slightly. It doesn't

1:15:18

have to be a crazy kettle bell workout

1:15:20

or a jiu-jitsu class. Just take a just

1:15:23

take a walk. just just the if the world

1:15:25

if the United States or Canada or

1:15:28

anybody that's got problems with their

1:15:30

health, just decided to start walking,

1:15:32

right, every day for 20 minutes, it'll

1:15:34

change your life.

1:15:35

>> Absolutely.

1:15:36

>> And then add things to it. Add some body

1:15:37

weight squats, add some push-ups, skip a

1:15:40

little rope, do something, take a yoga

1:15:42

class. It'll change your life,

1:15:44

>> right?

1:15:44

>> Just absolutely.

1:15:45

>> You need activity. The human body has

1:15:47

needs. And when it doesn't, those needs

1:15:50

are not met and you don't your

1:15:52

biological requirements aren't met, you

1:15:55

get develop anxiety, you get overweight,

1:15:57

your your muscles atrophy, your bone

1:15:59

density decreases, you can't open up a

1:16:02

jar anymore. There's all these problems

1:16:03

that can be solved with just simple

1:16:06

movement and activity. You don't have to

1:16:08

become a fitness nut. You don't have to

1:16:10

become a gym rat. You just do something

1:16:12

and that alone. And then change what you

1:16:15

eat. Drink more water. Stop drinking

1:16:18

soda. Stop stop stop drinking so much

1:16:21

alcohol. You know, stop eating processed

1:16:23

food. If we just slowly but surely get

1:16:26

this in people's heads. For the longest

1:16:29

time, people didn't think there was

1:16:30

anything wrong with eating processed

1:16:32

food. They didn't think there was

1:16:33

anything wrong with they thought sugar

1:16:35

just gave you extra calories. That's it.

1:16:37

They didn't realize the catastrophic

1:16:39

health consequences of consuming all

1:16:41

this sugar, the increase in type 2

1:16:43

diabetes, all these problems that are

1:16:45

people are having that people are having

1:16:46

because of poor diets and lack of

1:16:49

>> what's your theory though on how that h

1:16:51

why did that happen? Why did wh what

1:16:54

caused millions of people to shift their

1:16:56

diets away from good wholesome real food

1:16:59

towards the processed garbage?

1:17:01

>> Well, first of all, marketing, right? Um

1:17:04

and availability, right? the the the

1:17:07

they always say the center of the

1:17:09

grocery store is what you should avoid

1:17:11

because the center is all the stuff that

1:17:12

doesn't need to be refrigerated, right?

1:17:14

Everything on the outskirts, all the

1:17:15

vegetables and the fruit and the meats

1:17:16

and the milk, that's all the stuff

1:17:18

that's healthy because it has to be

1:17:19

refrigerated because if it's not, it

1:17:20

goes bad. Things that can just sit on a

1:17:23

shelf, but things that sit on a shelf

1:17:25

forever, those are the things that are

1:17:27

the easiest to profit from because you

1:17:28

don't have to worry about storage. you

1:17:30

don't have to worry about refrigeration

1:17:31

when you're processing or when you're

1:17:32

moving them and transporting them. You

1:17:35

know, just education is the most

1:17:38

important thing because there's a lot of

1:17:40

people that don't know how much their

1:17:41

diet impacts them. And then there's also

1:17:43

the problems that happen in this country

1:17:45

where the sugar industry literally bribe

1:17:48

scientists to pass the blame on

1:17:50

saturated fat and pretend that this was

1:17:53

the cause of all these heart issues that

1:17:55

people were having and all the obesity

1:17:57

that it was just fat. So then people

1:17:58

started eating all these seed oil rich

1:18:01

foods like mayonnaise or excuse me like

1:18:04

margarine and you know and corn oil and

1:18:07

canola oil all this

1:18:08

>> when it's better just to have tallow or

1:18:10

butter.

1:18:10

>> Yes. It's like natural food. Your body

1:18:13

knows what to do with it.

1:18:14

>> Yeah. And beef is like a superfood. A

1:18:16

nice fatty piece of beef. Best thing you

1:18:19

can eat.

1:18:20

>> It's so good for you.

1:18:20

>> You got iron, you've got fat, you've got

1:18:23

protein and creatine. It's all packed

1:18:25

into that one superfood. It is. And

1:18:28

people, there's a lot of people that

1:18:29

live very healthily off a carnivore

1:18:31

diet. And that astounds people. They

1:18:33

don't understand it because they've been

1:18:35

pushed into this idea. Well, one of the

1:18:36

things they did in America that's great

1:18:38

is they reversed the food pyramid. Our

1:18:40

food pyramid was all grains at the

1:18:42

bottom. Was all wheat and grains, which

1:18:44

is like there's nothing wrong with

1:18:46

eating that as long as you're being

1:18:48

smart about it. You don't eat too much

1:18:49

of it. But if that's your primary diet,

1:18:52

like guess what? Your insulin's going to

1:18:54

spike. You're going to be hungry all the

1:18:55

time. you're going to get fat. It's just

1:18:57

not good. It's not good to eat.

1:18:59

>> When I cut the carbs out and I went

1:19:00

basically uh into ketosis, um I felt

1:19:03

great because instead of having all the

1:19:06

ups and downs when my blood sugar was

1:19:08

down,

1:19:09

>> when you're in ketosis, you um you

1:19:12

basically live off your fat stores. Yes.

1:19:14

>> You have like a a consistent flow of

1:19:16

energy whenever you need it because and

1:19:17

I've obviously I've got some here and

1:19:20

and so uh I I feel lighter. I I have to

1:19:22

sleep less now. I don't have to sleep as

1:19:24

much because I don't I don't eat the big

1:19:25

heavy carbs any I cheat once in a while,

1:19:27

but but the big heavy carbs that your

1:19:29

body breaks down, you gota you got to

1:19:31

sleep more to work through all those

1:19:32

heavy carbs. So,

1:19:34

>> you feel it when you eat them. I love

1:19:36

carbs, don't get me wrong. Like, I love

1:19:38

I'm Italian. I love spaghetti. I love

1:19:41

pizza. I love Italian subs. I love them.

1:19:43

But I eat them sparingly. And when I eat

1:19:45

them, I feel it. I feel it. Like, it's

1:19:47

amazing while you're eating it. And then

1:19:49

you're like,

1:19:50

>> you got hit with a tranquilizer dart.

1:19:52

It's just not good. It's not good for

1:19:54

you. If I eat a steak, I feel great. If

1:19:56

I eat a steak, I don't feel

1:19:59

I don't feel in any way tired after I'm

1:20:02

done. I don't feel exhausted, like

1:20:04

completely full. Also, they have a high

1:20:07

satiety rate. Like, if you eat just

1:20:09

steak, you're only going to eat what you

1:20:11

need. Like this, your body knows when to

1:20:14

stop. But if there's mashed potatoes

1:20:16

next to this steak and spaghetti next to

1:20:17

this steak and bread and all these other

1:20:19

things, you're just going to keep

1:20:20

eating. and cake and butter and ice or

1:20:23

not butter, but like cake and ice cream

1:20:25

and all this other you're going to keep

1:20:26

eating and you're going to consume

1:20:28

excess calories.

1:20:29

>> But beef is really expensive now. Like

1:20:31

it's really hard to put a steak on your

1:20:33

plate. Uh these for the average guy,

1:20:35

it's it's insane. It's twice as

1:20:36

expensive of pork in Canada right now.

1:20:39

>> Well, there's also this dumb narrative

1:20:40

that cows are responsible for climate

1:20:43

change, which is just absolutely insane.

1:20:45

And whoever started promoting that needs

1:20:48

to go to jail cuz it's you've done a

1:20:50

terrible disservice to people,

1:20:51

especially regenerative farming. That's,

1:20:54

you know, actually sequesters carbon.

1:20:56

>> Absolutely.

1:20:57

>> And it's it's healthy for you.

1:20:59

>> No, the the farming the ranchers in my

1:21:01

area are fantastic. They produce an

1:21:03

incredible product. We've got the the

1:21:05

the North America has the smallest

1:21:06

cattle herd since 1951 this year.

1:21:09

>> That's nuts.

1:21:10

>> Very small herd. And that's why it's so

1:21:12

hard to get beef.

1:21:12

>> Why is that? What? Um I think uh I think

1:21:15

there's been a demand spike in the last

1:21:18

couple of years. Um beef prices were low

1:21:20

for long. So a lot of ranchers got out

1:21:22

of it. They just said we can't I can't

1:21:23

stay in this business losing money every

1:21:25

year. And then all of a sudden prices

1:21:27

started to go up and uh and moods have

1:21:31

changed a lot on beef even in the last 3

1:21:33

four years. So now they're trying to

1:21:35

keep up with the demand. But um I'd like

1:21:38

I'm happy to see the the ranchers doing

1:21:40

well, but I'd sure like to see middle

1:21:43

class families to be able to afford to

1:21:45

have beef again. Um but you know, back

1:21:48

my theory on one of the reasons why the

1:21:50

marketing has shifted towards all this

1:21:51

processed crap, and this goes back to my

1:21:54

obsession, which is inflation. Because

1:21:56

what instead of just raising the prices,

1:21:59

they downgrade the quality of the food.

1:22:01

They strip out the nutrients and they

1:22:04

inject garbage into our food. uh the the

1:22:07

the companies do that is ultimately less

1:22:10

nutritious, but it the price tag doesn't

1:22:13

necessarily look like it's changing. So,

1:22:15

it's one of the more insidious ways that

1:22:17

the the system is able to charge you to

1:22:20

to to pass inflationary costs on without

1:22:23

you seeing it in that the price tag

1:22:25

that's underneath the product.

1:22:27

>> They also engineer food to be

1:22:28

compulsive, like you're more compulsive

1:22:31

to overeat. Yeah, sure. Especially like

1:22:33

chips and stuff like that. America,

1:22:35

>> what country do you think does nutrition

1:22:37

the best around the world?

1:22:39

>> Well, that's a good question. Um, well,

1:22:41

Japan has one of the lowest obesity

1:22:43

rates, right? And when you look at

1:22:46

Japanese food, like what is it? It's

1:22:48

like fish and rice and vegetables and

1:22:50

it's it's they don't use glyphosate, I

1:22:53

don't think. I think I think the way

1:22:55

they process their wheat is very

1:22:57

different than ours. you know, we have

1:22:59

uh higher glycem we we have higher

1:23:02

gluten in our wheat because so like we

1:23:05

have more complex glutens in our wheat,

1:23:06

so we have higher yield and then on top

1:23:09

of that they dry all the wheat out with

1:23:10

glyphosate at the end which is [ __ ]

1:23:12

terrible for you.

1:23:13

>> Interesting.

1:23:13

>> And they were trying to ban that in

1:23:17

America, but then Trump passed an

1:23:19

executive order u stopping it. So this

1:23:22

is one of the things that Kennedy kind

1:23:24

of ran on is that he wanted to stop the

1:23:27

ubiquitous use of glyphosate.

1:23:29

>> Okay?

1:23:29

>> And especially glyphosate, you know,

1:23:32

used with wheat to dry it out. So it's

1:23:35

not used uh as an herbicide. It's used

1:23:38

to dry out the wheat at the end so that

1:23:41

it doesn't get moldy,

1:23:42

>> which is crazy. You're spraying poison

1:23:45

on wheat. And most Americans, if you

1:23:49

test them, have glyphosate in their

1:23:51

blood, you know, and the apologists will

1:23:53

say, "Oh, but it's at safe levels."

1:23:54

Well, we don't even really know what

1:23:56

that means. You We're talking about

1:23:57

decades and decades of of consuming this

1:24:00

stuff. That can't be good. I mean, it

1:24:02

literally kills plants. It it destroys

1:24:05

gut bacteria. It can't be good. It would

1:24:08

would be better. When you eat overseas,

1:24:10

like if I eat pasta or bread in in

1:24:12

Italy, it you feel better. It doesn't

1:24:15

kill you like it does in America. It

1:24:16

doesn't like you don't get that same

1:24:19

feeling.

1:24:19

>> Interesting. I didn't know I don't know

1:24:21

anything about glyphosate, but um one of

1:24:23

the things I

1:24:24

>> Do you guys use glyphosate in Canada?

1:24:26

>> I don't know anything about it. I I feel

1:24:28

bad saying that, but I should do my

1:24:29

homework on that one. I

1:24:31

>> We have corn that's engineered to

1:24:32

survive glyphosate. We have Roundup

1:24:34

ready corn. So So that you could spray

1:24:37

glyphosate on the corn that kills all

1:24:39

the other things that you don't want

1:24:41

growing.

1:24:41

>> Okay. But how is that how can that be

1:24:44

good? Like most like they they did a

1:24:48

test of uh California wines and what was

1:24:52

the number? It was like some

1:24:54

preposterous number of California wines

1:24:57

tested positive for glyphosate.

1:24:59

>> In the high 90s, I think.

1:25:01

>> Okay.

1:25:01

>> Which is just nuts.

1:25:03

>> Yeah. I don't know anything about

1:25:04

glyphosate. I have to admit my research.

1:25:06

You've piqued my curiosity. The problem

1:25:09

is in America, our food system is

1:25:13

entirely dependent on it at this point.

1:25:15

You know, they want to change it. And so

1:25:17

there's a lot of strategies. One of them

1:25:18

is there they they have these machines

1:25:21

that use lasers. And these lasers go

1:25:24

over a field and actually target the

1:25:26

weeds. So instead of spraying poison on

1:25:28

them, they just zap these weeds and they

1:25:31

can identify the difference between the

1:25:32

weed and the crop.

1:25:33

>> Really?

1:25:33

>> Yeah.

1:25:34

>> That's incredible.

1:25:35

>> Yeah. The wine was 10 out of 10 tested,

1:25:37

but this

1:25:37

>> 10 out of 10.

1:25:38

>> I was looking at the Japanese obesity

1:25:40

thing. They have an interesting law that

1:25:41

they put in place in 2008 where I

1:25:45

believe it says workplaces have to

1:25:46

measure people's waists of adults over

1:25:50

40 to find out if they're potentially

1:25:52

overweight.

1:25:53

>> Wow.

1:25:54

>> Those people don't get fined. The

1:25:55

companies get fined. So, they have to

1:25:57

then provide them counseling, diet

1:25:58

advice, exercise guidance, etc.

1:26:01

>> Wow.

1:26:01

>> And they also use a lower BMI than we

1:26:04

do. There theirs starts at 25. It says

1:26:06

it's because they have a higher risk in

1:26:09

Asian populations for

1:26:12

uh obesity.

1:26:13

>> Interesting. I wonder why that is.

1:26:16

>> I wonder if that's because of a lot of

1:26:18

rice consumption.

1:26:19

>> Way lower. 46 4 to 6% compared to 42%.

1:26:24

>> Wow, that's crazy. Their obesity rates

1:26:26

are 4 to 6%. And we're 42.

1:26:31

42 is nuts. 42 is so crazy.

1:26:34

>> Try to find out what the Japanese are

1:26:36

doing. My next stop has got to be Tokyo.

1:26:38

>> Yeah. Well, they eat healthy food, you

1:26:40

know, and and that but that does make

1:26:42

sense. I mean, implementing something

1:26:43

like that, it sounds very restrictive,

1:26:45

you know? I mean, I don't want to tell a

1:26:47

guy he can't have a gut. Like, I I have

1:26:49

a lot of friends that are fat and I love

1:26:50

them to death. I'd like them to be

1:26:52

healthy, but I wouldn't, you know, I

1:26:56

don't believe you should have that kind

1:26:57

of control over people. I think you

1:27:00

should encourage healthy behavior. I

1:27:02

don't think you should mandate it.

1:27:03

>> Yeah, we need we need carrots, not

1:27:05

sticks. Carrots literally.

1:27:07

>> Literally.

1:27:08

>> But the the system is like um you know,

1:27:11

I think of the opioid thing. That's an

1:27:13

incredible story. Really?

1:27:14

>> That's a horrible story. That's a

1:27:16

horrible story. And you know, the fact

1:27:18

that no one's going to jail for that is

1:27:20

infuriating. what they did and what the

1:27:24

the deception that they use to pretend

1:27:27

that that stuff is not addictive, that

1:27:29

it's not the same as heroin is just

1:27:32

absolutely atrocious. And the fact that

1:27:34

they got away with it and that the

1:27:36

Sackler family, just that one family, I

1:27:38

don't know if you ever seen the Netflix

1:27:40

docky drama series. Yeah.

1:27:42

>> Painkiller or what was it? Was it called

1:27:44

Painkiller?

1:27:45

>> They're the guys from Purdue, right?

1:27:48

>> Purdue Pharma. I think they were Purdue

1:27:49

Pharma if I'm not mistaken. I mean, how

1:27:52

many lives were destroyed by that?

1:27:54

>> Well, a half a million ended in the US.

1:27:58

>> Yeah. At least

1:28:00

>> 50,000 in Canada. We lo we lost more

1:28:02

people in the last 10 years to opioid

1:28:05

overdoses than we lost fighting in the

1:28:07

Second World War.

1:28:08

>> And God, that's so crazy. And we, you

1:28:11

know, these companies, I mean, it

1:28:13

started in the states with Purdue and uh

1:28:16

a number of others where they basically

1:28:18

started lying to the system and paying

1:28:21

they actually paid bonuses to

1:28:23

distributors for every overdose they

1:28:25

caused. They tracked the overdoses and

1:28:28

then paid bonuses to distributors

1:28:31

because that was an indicator of how

1:28:32

successfully they were pushing the drugs

1:28:35

onto doctors and pharmacists and the

1:28:38

system. This all came all came out in

1:28:40

the in the court uh because there was a

1:28:41

huge lawsuit

1:28:42

>> and they the companies had to pay $50

1:28:44

billion because of an American

1:28:47

government lawsuit against them, but

1:28:49

they actually paid bonuses for overdose

1:28:51

rates.

1:28:52

>> That's true.

1:28:52

>> That's insane.

1:28:54

>> It's wild. And they they basically they

1:28:56

were very very strategic. They said,

1:28:58

"We're going to go to workingclass

1:29:01

neighborhoods where there's huge

1:29:03

unemployment." So, you know, in the rust

1:29:04

belt of America where people were out of

1:29:07

work and they obviously had some minor

1:29:09

industrial injuries and said, you know,

1:29:11

this will solve every ache and pain.

1:29:13

Take Oxycontton. And it felt great when

1:29:16

they first started taking it. And then

1:29:17

it spread into Canada as well. And then

1:29:20

it mutated in from Oxycontton into

1:29:22

fentinyl, which is 100 times more

1:29:24

powerful than heroin. It can stop your

1:29:27

your lungs in 15 seconds. Just

1:29:30

absolutely deadly. And uh we you know

1:29:33

these companies these dirt bag companies

1:29:35

should be paying uh hundreds of billions

1:29:38

of dollars to cover the treatment and

1:29:40

recovery of the people whose lives have

1:29:42

been ruined by this.

1:29:43

>> Well, it's just insane that they only

1:29:46

had to pay a percentage of the amount of

1:29:48

money that they profited.

1:29:50

>> And

1:29:51

>> it is insane. They should have gone to

1:29:52

jail.

1:29:53

>> They should have gone to jail. They

1:29:54

should have had to pay first of all give

1:29:55

all the money back.

1:29:56

>> Yeah.

1:29:57

>> I mean what you did was unbelievably

1:30:00

evil. Absolutely.

1:30:01

>> And you were allowed to profit from it,

1:30:03

which is crazy.

1:30:05

>> Even the Sackler family, the amount that

1:30:06

they got fined was a small percentage of

1:30:10

what they actually made.

1:30:11

>> I don't know how people live with

1:30:12

themselves when they do that.

1:30:13

>> They're sociopaths. They have to be.

1:30:15

>> They basically got into the entire

1:30:16

system, the health care system, the

1:30:19

medical accum community, and they pushed

1:30:21

these over prescriptions. Um, and then

1:30:24

they got this crazy idea that they

1:30:26

pushed in places like Portland and

1:30:28

Seattle and San Francisco that the

1:30:30

government should start giving out

1:30:31

opioids that are safer than the ones

1:30:33

that are on the street as an alternative

1:30:35

to keep people from having contaminated

1:30:37

drugs, which made the problem even worse

1:30:40

because those the the addicts would sell

1:30:42

those to kids so that they could buy the

1:30:44

harder stuff off the street and it

1:30:46

expanded it even more. And um so one of

1:30:50

the things we're focused on in my plan

1:30:51

is is massive treatment and recovery

1:30:54

programs to get people off drugs.

1:30:56

Abstinence-based treatment is

1:30:57

incredible. It gets very successful and

1:31:00

uh we're saving lives now in Canada. You

1:31:02

get them in, you get them counseling,

1:31:04

group therapy treatment, uh sweat lodges

1:31:07

for First Nations, uh people's um

1:31:10

physical exercise is a big part of it. I

1:31:12

went to one treatment center in

1:31:14

Saskatchewan and they actually bought

1:31:15

these rusted out weights and they had

1:31:17

they had the guys like lifting weights

1:31:19

and the bureaucrats are saying, "Well,

1:31:20

why are you spending my money on

1:31:21

weights? What does that have to do with

1:31:22

it?" He says, "What's then the best

1:31:23

thing we had?" These guys started to see

1:31:25

their biceps grow and they're like, "I

1:31:27

want to look like this and if I take

1:31:28

drugs, I'm not going to look like this."

1:31:30

So, it was one of the the best things

1:31:31

they did. Um, then you get them into

1:31:33

jobs and treatment and uh there's one

1:31:36

guy that uh I met in BC, he he was going

1:31:39

to kill himself. He drove his car into a

1:31:41

brick wall because he was so ruined by

1:31:43

his addiction, but he didn't die. He

1:31:45

couldn't even pull it off. So, he

1:31:48

actually went into treatment, turned his

1:31:49

life around, started a business. He's

1:31:51

got six employees, and now he's going

1:31:53

out on the street and like helping, you

1:31:55

know, pulling guys off the street and

1:31:56

bringing them in and saving their lives.

1:31:58

So, uh it's actually a really hopeful

1:32:00

ending to the story if we can get to

1:32:02

shift all our resources over to

1:32:04

treatment and recovery services, which

1:32:05

is one of my big uh objectives.

1:32:07

>> Are you aware of Ibagane? No.

1:32:10

>> So, former Republican governor of Texas

1:32:12

Rick Perry is involved in this Ibegan

1:32:15

initiative here in Texas. And one of the

1:32:17

things that they found, you know, he

1:32:19

works very closely with veterans and uh,

1:32:22

you know, obviously a lot of these guys,

1:32:23

they come back from the war, they have

1:32:26

PTSD, they have a lot of pain, they get

1:32:29

addicted to pills, and then they have an

1:32:32

incredibly difficult time getting off of

1:32:33

it. And there's a treatment called

1:32:36

Ibagane. And Ibagane comes from the

1:32:39

aboga tree. It's uh like a natural

1:32:42

psychedelic that has no recreational

1:32:46

use whatsoever. It's not fun and it's

1:32:49

it's apparently a brutal 24-hour

1:32:51

experience, but it rewires the brain,

1:32:55

stops the pathways of addiction. And

1:32:57

just one I gain treatment, one session,

1:33:00

the amount of people that never go back

1:33:04

to using those drugs is in the 80%.

1:33:07

>> Really?

1:33:07

>> When they do two sessions, it's in the

1:33:10

'9s.

1:33:10

>> Wow.

1:33:11

>> It's incredible. So, they're

1:33:12

implementing it here. And Rick Perry,

1:33:14

who was like a staunch anti-drug

1:33:18

hardline Republican guy, great guy, but

1:33:21

realized from talking to these veterans,

1:33:24

>> maybe you have to have an open mind and

1:33:26

look at this. We have this blanket term

1:33:28

that we use for drugs and we say, "Oh, I

1:33:31

gain a drug. You don't want to take

1:33:33

drugs." But this psychedelic, this

1:33:35

Ibagane, apparently it it's like a

1:33:39

24-hour review of your life that in some

1:33:44

way, some chemical way, rewires your

1:33:47

system and stops the pathways of

1:33:49

addiction.

1:33:50

>> It's like a factory reset.

1:33:51

>> Yes.

1:33:52

>> Wow.

1:33:52

>> Yes.

1:33:53

>> That's crazy.

1:33:54

>> And so they're starting to implement it

1:33:55

here in Texas and they're going to use

1:33:57

it.

1:33:57

>> So they studied this or they've done

1:33:59

like a And they've done is it approved

1:34:00

like as a treatment or what? Well, it's

1:34:02

being approved here in Texas and they're

1:34:04

trying to do it in other places. And I

1:34:06

know uh a friend of mine, my friend Ed

1:34:08

Clay, he started a center down in

1:34:10

Mexico. And the reason why he did it was

1:34:12

because he got hooked on pills. He hurt

1:34:14

his back. He got hooked on pills. He had

1:34:16

to figure out how to get off of it. And

1:34:17

he did one ibagane session, got clean

1:34:20

really

1:34:20

>> and was like, I need to educate people

1:34:23

and help people with this. And we start

1:34:25

this system

1:34:26

>> and you know, and it's very successful.

1:34:29

I know multiple people that have done it

1:34:31

and especially veterans that have done

1:34:34

it and had profound changes in their

1:34:36

life because of this.

1:34:37

>> Amazing.

1:34:37

>> Yeah. And again, there's no recreational

1:34:40

use for this. There's no chance of

1:34:42

abusing it. Okay.

1:34:43

>> It's not fun. Like to get people to do

1:34:45

it twice is very hard. Okay.

1:34:47

>> But even doing it once, but if you do

1:34:49

it, it's incredibly effective. Much more

1:34:53

effective than any other form of

1:34:54

therapy.

1:34:54

>> Really? Yes.

1:34:55

>> Okay. Well, I'll have to look out for

1:34:57

that one cuz we need it. We still have a

1:34:58

challenge up in Canada.

1:34:59

>> I can connect you with Rick Perry and

1:35:02

he's he's him and Brian Hubbert are

1:35:05

incredible with their the advocacy and

1:35:08

the the promotion of this what they've

1:35:10

done is really amazing.

1:35:11

>> Yeah, we got to we got to get uh get

1:35:13

people off these drugs and uh you know

1:35:15

we're we're doing we're making some good

1:35:17

progress in Canada. Um our biggest

1:35:19

challenges are are just the long-term

1:35:21

aftermath of the opioid uh problem like

1:35:24

you have had down here. But um but like

1:35:27

I think uh I think we can overcome it

1:35:30

and uh we have to try some new things in

1:35:32

order to get people off these things cuz

1:35:34

they're because it's when you're doing

1:35:35

fentinol it's it's Russian roulette. It

1:35:37

could be you might not have more than a

1:35:39

day to live if you're still taking that

1:35:41

stuff. So

1:35:41

>> it's so dangerous.

1:35:43

>> It's in everything. It's in so many

1:35:44

different um street versions of pills

1:35:48

that people think are safe like Xanax.

1:35:51

There's like illegal Xanax like street

1:35:54

Xanax and there's fentinyl in them.

1:35:55

People take it and they die.

1:35:57

>> Right. Absolutely. I've met so many

1:35:58

mothers. They just come up to me at my

1:36:00

rallies and things and they tell me the

1:36:01

story and they show me a picture and you

1:36:03

say, "Man, it's a beautiful child. That

1:36:04

child looks healthy and smart and she

1:36:07

went to a party and they were handing

1:36:09

the [ __ ] out." And

1:36:10

>> there's a high school kid here in town

1:36:12

that took uh street aderall and it had

1:36:15

fentinel in it and he died.

1:36:16

>> Is that right?

1:36:17

>> Yeah. Somebody sold them what he thought

1:36:18

was aderall. Look, that's what killed

1:36:20

Prince. That's what killed Tom Petty.

1:36:22

>> Aderal.

1:36:23

>> No. No. Fentinel. Fentinyl.

1:36:25

>> They got street drugs from someone like

1:36:28

they're both in pain and they they

1:36:30

become addicted to the pills and then

1:36:32

they got like a pill from a roadie.

1:36:34

>> I didn't know that.

1:36:34

>> And took it and died.

1:36:36

>> I didn't know that. Petty, did he sing

1:36:37

uh Last Dance?

1:36:39

>> Last Dance for Mary Jane. Yeah.

1:36:40

>> Right. That's really sad.

1:36:42

>> Oh, he sung a bunch of amazing songs.

1:36:44

American Girl. I mean, Tom Petty was a

1:36:46

legend and died because of fentanyl.

1:36:48

Prince is one of the great musical

1:36:49

genius of of human history.

1:36:52

>> And fentanyl got him too. died from

1:36:54

fentanyl. He had hip pain. He needed a

1:36:56

hip replacement. His hip was blown out

1:36:58

and he was in agony all the time. So, he

1:37:00

started taking pills and then next thing

1:37:01

you know, you're hooked.

1:37:03

>> I've had family members that got hooked

1:37:05

on it.

1:37:06

>> Is that right? Did they get through it?

1:37:08

>> Well, one of them didn't. Yeah. I mean,

1:37:10

he he hurt his back doing construction

1:37:13

and started taking pills and now he's a

1:37:15

waste.

1:37:16

>> That's the sad thing. That's the sad

1:37:17

thing is it's they're good people and

1:37:20

they're not lawbreaking people. Often

1:37:22

it's folks who work in physically

1:37:24

demanding jobs, they get an injury

1:37:26

>> and uh it's easy to judge, but when

1:37:28

you're in excruciating pain and you find

1:37:31

something that makes it go away, it's

1:37:34

understandable.

1:37:34

>> Also, if you're not educated in these

1:37:37

subjects and you just trust the doctor,

1:37:39

you go to a doctor and the doctor says

1:37:41

you need pain medication and then all of

1:37:43

a sudden you're on it.

1:37:45

>> You know,

1:37:45

>> it's it's easy to see how people get

1:37:47

locked into that and and then they can't

1:37:49

break loose. So, The pathway to physical

1:37:52

addiction is it's so well known and

1:37:54

studied. It's very very addictive, which

1:37:57

is why it's so horrific that they

1:37:59

actually promoted the fact that these

1:38:01

things are not addictive when they were

1:38:02

promoting them.

1:38:02

>> No, they knew exactly what they were

1:38:04

doing. They were absolute crooks. And

1:38:06

I'm hoping we get big settlements out of

1:38:08

them the way you did down here. And I

1:38:09

want to put all that money into

1:38:10

treatment and recovery. Get people off

1:38:12

these drugs and rescue them. I think we

1:38:15

can save these lives. The treatment, it

1:38:17

works. It It's tough. Like the people

1:38:19

who go through it, they say it's it was

1:38:20

the worst experience of my life to go

1:38:23

through that withdrawal, but it can be

1:38:25

done and you come out stronger on the

1:38:27

other side.

1:38:27

>> It can be done. And and I think the most

1:38:29

important thing is prevention and and

1:38:31

education and letting kids know like,

1:38:33

hey, this is not what you want to get

1:38:35

involved with. You want to have a happy,

1:38:37

successful life, this is going to stop

1:38:39

that. This is going to keep you from

1:38:41

having this might kill you and it's

1:38:43

definitely going to ruin you.

1:38:44

>> Yeah. But you're right about fitness

1:38:45

though cuz when I was young I I I hung

1:38:48

around with a lot of people who got into

1:38:49

a lot of trouble and I could have ended

1:38:50

up there. The reason I didn't frankly is

1:38:53

sports. So I I had something else to

1:38:55

drive me. So it's one of the reasons why

1:38:57

we need to get our young people active

1:38:58

in sporting activities when they're in

1:39:00

that age group because if you're not

1:39:02

giving them an outlet then they'll end

1:39:04

up down that scary path.

1:39:05

>> Oh 100%. And also you realize that if

1:39:08

you want to be effective in sports like

1:39:09

you can't party. It's like it'll rob you

1:39:12

of your vitality.

1:39:14

you of your performance.

1:39:15

>> No, I when I played hockey and I I

1:39:17

showed up a few times hung over and I

1:39:18

was just [ __ ] Like I was terrible. But

1:39:21

uh you learned pretty quick that you got

1:39:22

to be on your game. So we've got to

1:39:24

promote more of the fitness at the at

1:39:26

the youth level as well. And um and is

1:39:29

that happening here? It's funny. I

1:39:30

remember when I came down here um as a

1:39:33

16-year-old. I haven't been here in 30

1:39:34

years. Um, I uh we we got into town and

1:39:39

the people who were hosting us uh were

1:39:42

driving us to their home and we saw this

1:39:43

stadium and there's like 20,000 people

1:39:46

and it was in Houston and I said, "Is

1:39:48

that the Cowboys playing?" And they

1:39:50

said, "No, no, that's that's a high

1:39:51

school league." It's like, "Oh, okay. In

1:39:53

Canada, we don't have high school

1:39:55

leagues with 20,000 people coming out."

1:39:58

>> But um but the sports are so massive

1:40:00

here.

1:40:00

>> Oh, football is gigantic here. It's a

1:40:03

religion. Yeah, it's incredible.

1:40:05

>> Crazy. And

1:40:06

>> who do you cheer for, by the way?

1:40:07

>> In in Texas.

1:40:09

>> Yeah. You personally?

1:40:10

>> Well, I I've got into UT football.

1:40:13

>> Okay.

1:40:13

>> I really love uh going to the UT games.

1:40:15

It's uh it's so fun and it's so they're

1:40:19

so enthusiastic and they they just love

1:40:22

it. It's like when you're a part of it,

1:40:24

when the touchdowns get scored and

1:40:25

everybody's cheering, it's like it's

1:40:27

it's so contagious, right? It's really

1:40:30

amazing. And it's just like the

1:40:31

enthusiasm they have for it. It's like

1:40:33

you're like, "Wow." Like, "This is a

1:40:34

great these people love this here." But

1:40:37

I've I've been to high school football

1:40:38

games and it's the same thing. Like pack

1:40:40

stadiums for high school football games

1:40:42

and you're like, "This is nuts, man.

1:40:44

These people love their sports."

1:40:45

>> We're like that for hockey in Canada.

1:40:47

Oh, yeah. It is serious. Serious. Like

1:40:49

parents are very fixated. And I think I

1:40:51

think it's actually a good thing. Some

1:40:52

people say, "Oh, it's terrible." I think

1:40:54

it's great to have parents that are

1:40:56

competitive because they're pushing

1:40:56

their kids to be better and more

1:40:58

excellent. And even if they don't end up

1:40:59

as NHL hockey players, it gives them the

1:41:02

comp competitive ed. And I want us to be

1:41:03

a more competitive society.

1:41:06

>> Well, when I was a kid, I I worked at

1:41:08

the Boston Athletic Club. Um and uh one

1:41:11

of the people that I I was a fitness

1:41:14

instructor when I was 19, and one of the

1:41:16

people that I worked with was Bobby

1:41:17

Orur.

1:41:18

>> Oh, really?

1:41:18

>> Yeah. Bobby or used to come there and

1:41:20

train him. We used to have to help him

1:41:21

get on the Versa Climber machine because

1:41:23

his body was so wrecked. Really?

1:41:25

>> He had so many surgeries. His knees were

1:41:28

so destroyed. He had scars all up and

1:41:32

down his knee because he he had knee

1:41:34

surgery back when they were just

1:41:35

experimenting. You know, they didn't

1:41:36

really know how to fix knees. They just

1:41:38

cut you open, screwed things back

1:41:41

together again, and then it would blow

1:41:42

apart again, and then you'd wind up

1:41:43

having another surgery. So, he had many,

1:41:46

many knee surgeries, and he could barely

1:41:48

walk,

1:41:49

>> but he was still doing some kind of

1:41:50

physical activity.

1:41:51

>> Yeah, he was playing raetball. He was

1:41:53

>> How old was he at the time?

1:41:56

This was 1986.

1:42:00

So I mean

1:42:01

>> geez that's like what 40 years ago now?

1:42:03

>> Uhhuh. Yeah. So he was

1:42:06

you know he was probably in his 50s 40s

1:42:09

or 50s. He was but he was he could

1:42:12

barely walk. I mean he his knees didn't

1:42:14

straighten out

1:42:15

>> really.

1:42:15

>> They they were always like slightly bent

1:42:18

and they only bent that much. His range

1:42:19

of motion was very small. So you had to

1:42:22

help him like get on machines. but the

1:42:24

nicest guy and a legend. Like you

1:42:26

couldn't believe he was really there.

1:42:28

>> Like he he would walk into the the gym

1:42:30

and you're like, "Oh my god, really?" As

1:42:32

I was 19, I never met a famous person

1:42:34

and I was like, "That's Bobby or

1:42:35

>> absolutely

1:42:36

>> this is nuts." But it also made me

1:42:38

realize like, boy, knee surgery is no

1:42:40

joke. Like this guy was like an

1:42:42

incredible athlete and now he can't even

1:42:44

straighten his leg out.

1:42:46

>> Yeah. It's all temporary. You got to

1:42:48

take care of yourself.

1:42:49

>> Yes. Do you do you have like residual

1:42:52

injuries from fighting back in in the

1:42:54

day?

1:42:55

>> Oh yeah. Yeah. I've had three knee

1:42:56

surgeries, two reconstructions.

1:42:58

>> Was that from taekwond do?

1:43:00

>> Yeah. And jiu-jitsu. One of one of my

1:43:02

ACL injuries was from uh jiu-jitsu.

1:43:04

>> And what uh like what injuries are the

1:43:07

most common in jiu-jitsu?

1:43:08

>> Knees, backs, necks, shoulders. Those

1:43:12

are the big ones. Elbows.

1:43:13

>> Is that because of the the arm bars and

1:43:15

all that stuff?

1:43:16

>> Yeah. Not tapping. That's a big one. A

1:43:19

lot of a lot of guys get hurt just

1:43:20

because their ego because they don't

1:43:21

want to tap.

1:43:22

>> And you don't you don't strike me as the

1:43:24

type of guy who taps very quickly.

1:43:25

>> Well, when I was younger, I was really

1:43:27

stupid and I I wasn't into tapping.

1:43:29

>> Right.

1:43:31

>> But, uh, as I got older, I got a lot

1:43:33

smarter. Fortunately, I got a lot

1:43:35

better. So, I wasn't like in a situation

1:43:37

where I had to tap a lot, but if I did,

1:43:39

I did. I just tapped. And that's the

1:43:41

smart thing to do. And I would tell

1:43:42

people, treat it like you're playing

1:43:44

basketball. Don't treat it like it's

1:43:46

your life or death. The game is life or

1:43:48

death. The game is if a guy gets you in

1:43:50

an arm bar, he's essentially breaking

1:43:52

your arm. If he breaks your arm, he can

1:43:53

kill you, right?

1:43:54

>> That's the game. But don't treat it like

1:43:57

that. Treat it like you can tap and keep

1:44:00

going. Or you can not tap and your arm's

1:44:02

going to be destroyed maybe for the rest

1:44:04

of your life.

1:44:04

>> Right.

1:44:05

>> And I've seen that happen with people

1:44:06

where they're their forearm snaps and

1:44:08

they have to have plates in it and then

1:44:10

it's a chronic injury for the rest of

1:44:11

their life.

1:44:12

>> Right. Yeah. No, I can imagine that. And

1:44:14

what about in in taekwond do like you

1:44:17

you told the story once about how you

1:44:18

really clocked a guy. I think it was a

1:44:20

real kick or something

1:44:21

>> and that like freaked you out.

1:44:22

>> That changed my whole outlook on

1:44:24

fighting because I realized that could

1:44:26

happen to me. And I I had knocked people

1:44:28

out before, but I'd never knocked

1:44:30

anybody out where they didn't get up.

1:44:33

Like usually they get up and they're

1:44:34

wobbly and you know they get sat down

1:44:36

and the you know medics take care of

1:44:38

them and you know after a while they're

1:44:40

walking around and this guy never got up

1:44:43

and I never really got over that. I

1:44:46

never had the same u lust for hurting

1:44:49

people cuz it was just I was young you

1:44:52

know I was 19 and when you're 19 you

1:44:54

think you're invincible or you don't you

1:44:57

don't think about the consequ I knew I

1:44:59

could get hurt. I've been hurt before.

1:45:00

I'd been kicked really hard and punched

1:45:02

really hard before. I knew I was

1:45:04

vulnerable, but I didn't think there

1:45:06

would going to be anything permanent.

1:45:08

>> Did the guy ever get out of the

1:45:09

hospital?

1:45:10

>> I don't know. Really?

1:45:11

>> I don't know what happened to him.

1:45:12

>> Well, maybe

1:45:13

>> I don't know what happened to him.

1:45:14

>> Maybe he'll hear the show and give you a

1:45:15

call and say that he's all right.

1:45:16

>> Oh, no. No. He probably don't want to

1:45:17

talk to me.

1:45:19

>> Well, your your spinning back kick is

1:45:21

incredible. I saw you and GSP doing that

1:45:24

uh video where you were showing him how

1:45:25

to do the back kick. Yeah.

1:45:26

>> Did he ever use that in a fight?

1:45:28

>> Yeah, he did. Yeah, he did. He landed

1:45:30

it.

1:45:30

>> Yeah, he used it a lot. It's a thing

1:45:31

that like

1:45:33

>> it you have to almost grow up doing it,

1:45:36

>> right?

1:45:37

>> You know, unless you're deal like Jon

1:45:39

Jones developed it later in his career.

1:45:41

>> I saw that he wizard, but he kind of

1:45:43

like started implementing it uh like

1:45:45

like sort of three two/3 through through

1:45:47

his career. Did you teach him how to do

1:45:48

that?

1:45:48

>> No. No, I did not. He worked with a taco

1:45:50

with no coach in Albuquerque.

1:45:51

>> Okay. and uh he just really worked on

1:45:53

that one technique specifically when he

1:45:55

went up to heavyweight because the guys

1:45:57

would be first of all less agile and

1:45:59

mobile and also it was the kind of

1:46:01

technique where he could stop a guy with

1:46:02

one shot right

1:46:03

>> and when you're a guy who's smaller than

1:46:05

most heavyweights which John is because

1:46:07

he was a light heavyweight so he was

1:46:08

fighting at 205 most of his career and

1:46:11

just as a challenge decided to go up to

1:46:13

heavyweight but he's so intelligent he

1:46:15

realized like I need a one shot that I

1:46:18

could put people away so he spent hours

1:46:20

and hours every week just going over the

1:46:23

spinning back kick.

1:46:24

>> Really? To the body or the head?

1:46:25

>> Yeah, the body.

1:46:26

>> The body.

1:46:26

>> Yeah. It's like getting hit by a car,

1:46:28

>> right? You with that sp like a wheel

1:46:31

kick to the head is really difficult to

1:46:34

develop. That's It's like a fast twitch

1:46:36

thing that it's almost like your body

1:46:38

has to evolve and grow doing that to

1:46:42

really develop the kind of speed that

1:46:44

you could pull it off on a skilled

1:46:46

opponent in a fight. the accuracy like

1:46:48

to try and time that all that must be

1:46:50

incredible.

1:46:50

>> I mean there's there's there's freak

1:46:52

athletes that could pick it up later in

1:46:53

life. There's some people that are just

1:46:54

really good at everything. They just

1:46:56

have amazing dexterity and coordination

1:46:58

and but for most people you like I

1:47:01

learned it when I was a kid. So like my

1:47:04

body matured doing those things. My body

1:47:07

matured kicking and it became a part of

1:47:09

like just my average like normal

1:47:12

movement of life,

1:47:13

>> right? You know

1:47:14

>> that's amazing. Uh, and uh, the the

1:47:16

spinning back kick though, uh, is it

1:47:19

typically a body kick you throw? Is that

1:47:21

>> when you throw I've thrown it to the

1:47:22

face, too? Especially a jump spinning

1:47:24

back kick to the face.

1:47:25

>> Wow.

1:47:25

>> But, um, the the

1:47:27

>> Wasn't it really the Koreans that

1:47:29

developed so they could actually kick a

1:47:30

man off a horse in war? Is that why the

1:47:33

kicks are so high?

1:47:34

>> I don't think so. I think it was just

1:47:36

cuz they were they're smaller in stature

1:47:38

and they realized that you had to have

1:47:39

more powerful kicks.

1:47:41

>> Okay.

1:47:41

>> You know, like cuz your legs are always

1:47:43

carrying your body around. There's a lot

1:47:45

more mass to your muscles and your legs

1:47:46

and there's a lot more force you can

1:47:48

generate with your kicks.

1:47:49

>> Did you ever see the fight between Rick

1:47:52

Rufus and that Muay Thai guy? Oh yeah.

1:47:55

>> Wasn't that incredible?

1:47:56

>> Yeah, that changed kickboxing. We've

1:47:58

we've showed that fight a hundred times

1:48:00

on this podcast.

1:48:01

>> It's amazing because it was like

1:48:03

Americans versus Thai and

1:48:05

>> but we didn't really understand leg

1:48:07

kicks, right?

1:48:07

>> Because PKA karate and I found this out

1:48:11

later because of Benny Eritz who came in

1:48:13

the podcast. He told me that the reason

1:48:14

why they didn't allow leg kicks in PKA

1:48:17

karate was because of Bill Wallace. So

1:48:19

Bill Superfoot Wallace famously had one

1:48:22

leg that he kicked with. It was cuz his

1:48:24

other leg, he had a bad knee, right?

1:48:26

>> And he didn't want anybody kicking his

1:48:28

legs.

1:48:28

>> Interesting.

1:48:29

>> So he promoted this idea that only have

1:48:32

above the waist kicks,

1:48:33

>> right?

1:48:34

>> And that's what we had in America. Like

1:48:35

that's what Johnny Etero fought most.

1:48:37

>> That's right. He did. He fought Rufus

1:48:39

himself actually.

1:48:39

>> Yes. Yeah. No, that that that was

1:48:42

incredible because if you looked at the

1:48:43

the art form, Rufus was so much more

1:48:47

beautiful to watch than the tie guy. He

1:48:50

came in, he sp he broke the guy's jaw in

1:48:51

the first round, I think. Hey, he

1:48:54

knocked him down a few times. Was it

1:48:55

once or twice?

1:48:56

>> He knocked him down a couple times, I

1:48:58

believe. But it was really

1:48:59

>> And the guy just kept chopping his leg

1:49:00

and and then I think he he went out in a

1:49:02

in a stretcher because his leg was

1:49:04

busted in like nine places or something.

1:49:05

>> He didn't know what to do. He didn't

1:49:07

understand it. What was really

1:49:08

interesting is his brother Duke became a

1:49:10

Muay Thai world champion after that

1:49:12

fight.

1:49:12

>> Was that the Was that the the guy who

1:49:14

was at the fight commenting after the

1:49:16

fight? Yes, I remember that.

1:49:17

>> He was saying it doesn't take any

1:49:19

>> There's no skill. Yes, I remember that.

1:49:20

>> Well, he he was embarrassed by that

1:49:21

later in his life because he became one

1:49:23

of the top MMA trainers.

1:49:25

>> Really? And he he took on Muay Thai.

1:49:27

>> Yes. Well, he became a Muay Thai world

1:49:29

champion and he developed Rufus Sport,

1:49:31

which is a great gym in Milwaukee. A top

1:49:33

gym. Developed world champions like

1:49:34

Anthony Pettis. So he was uh you know he

1:49:38

was a pioneer. It was one of the guys

1:49:40

that had to figure it out and you know

1:49:41

he spent time in Thailand. They all they

1:49:43

all learned it. They had to learn

1:49:45

>> because it was

1:49:45

>> Where's the best place in Thailand to

1:49:46

go? Is it Fuket? Is it Bangkok? Like

1:49:48

where?

1:49:49

>> Oh, there's so many good places.

1:49:50

Thailand's the real motherland of Muay

1:49:52

Thai obviously. And it's like, you know,

1:49:54

um Phuket's amazing.

1:49:56

Bangkok's amazing. I mean, there's so

1:49:59

many amazing gyms that are in uh in

1:50:03

Thailand.

1:50:03

>> They're tough. There's whole strips in

1:50:05

Phuket. My wife and I were there on

1:50:07

vacation once and we just stumbled on

1:50:08

this whole street

1:50:10

>> and uh you could do there was sort of

1:50:12

Americanstyle boxing. There was there

1:50:14

was a CrossFit type thing. Then there

1:50:16

was that Tiger Muay Thai and a bunch of

1:50:18

other Muay Thai facilities. And then

1:50:20

there's there's like street vendors that

1:50:21

would were were cooking meals

1:50:23

specifically for people who are there

1:50:26

training. Um, like you could buy a

1:50:28

beautiful hard-boiled eggs and and

1:50:31

avocado and uh chicken strips and this

1:50:33

is like high protein just catered to the

1:50:36

people who come from around the world to

1:50:37

train for like five, six weeks in a in a

1:50:40

clinic.

1:50:40

>> And there's people that do it just

1:50:41

recreationally. My friend Mark, he's uh

1:50:44

he's a businessman. He's in his 60s and

1:50:46

he did it.

1:50:46

>> He went over to Thailand.

1:50:48

>> Did he survive?

1:50:48

>> Yeah, he trained. He spars all I saw him

1:50:51

the other day. He had a black eye. He's

1:50:52

in his 60s. I'm like, what are you

1:50:54

doing, man? So if you were starting from

1:50:55

scratch, you and you wanted to be a MMA,

1:50:58

would you do like you go to uh Thailand

1:51:01

and do a do like a two months there and

1:51:03

then go to Dagistan to learn how to

1:51:05

wrestle? Is that would that be the best

1:51:06

combo?

1:51:07

>> If you were starting out, if you're a

1:51:08

kid, I would say wrestling. Wrestling is

1:51:10

number one. Yeah, that's the most

1:51:12

important thing to learn because if a

1:51:14

guy can take you down, he could do

1:51:15

whatever he wants to. If he could take

1:51:17

you down and hold you down and beat you

1:51:18

up,

1:51:19

>> if you don't know how to wrestle, you

1:51:20

can't fight. Right. You needed at least

1:51:22

to learn wrestling just to understand

1:51:24

wrestling take down defense.

1:51:26

>> But you did jiu-jitsu later in life,

1:51:28

didn't you?

1:51:29

>> Yes.

1:51:29

>> Right.

1:51:29

>> I didn't start jiu-jitsu till I was 29,

1:51:32

I think.

1:51:33

>> Yeah. And who who do you like right now?

1:51:35

Who do you think is the most interesting

1:51:36

fighter to watch these days?

1:51:38

>> Oh, there's so many. It's impossible to

1:51:40

say the most interesting. There's a guy

1:51:42

uh from Spain, Ilia.

1:51:44

>> Yeah. I really like Tapora. He's

1:51:48

what David Gogggins calls uncommon

1:51:51

amongst uncommon men.

1:51:52

>> Want some more coffee?

1:51:53

>> No, no, thank you. I'm good. Thank you.

1:51:55

He's a freak. I mean, he's just

1:51:57

incredibly talented.

1:51:59

>> Weird. Weirdly talented. Like his last

1:52:01

three fights, he knocked out three

1:52:03

all-time greats.

1:52:04

>> Holloway.

1:52:05

>> Yeah. Holloway, Alexander, um um uh and

1:52:11

um

1:52:13

uh Charles Olivera. So that's crazy.

1:52:16

Vulcganowski, who's like one of the

1:52:18

greatest featherweights of all time,

1:52:20

knocked him out, knocked out Max

1:52:22

Holloway, another one of the greatest

1:52:23

featherweights of all time. And then

1:52:25

Charles Olivera, one of the greatest

1:52:26

lightweights of all time. He knocks out

1:52:28

three guys in three fights. There's no

1:52:30

one has a resume like that.

1:52:31

>> And he's not like, as I understand, he

1:52:32

was a Greco Roman guy, right?

1:52:35

>> And he became a boxer later on.

1:52:37

>> He's just How do you describe? How do

1:52:40

you describe

1:52:42

like so I'm I'm not I'm not

1:52:44

knowledgeable in this area, but it the

1:52:46

way he he almost looks like he has a

1:52:47

Philly shell.

1:52:48

>> Is that a Philly shell what he does with

1:52:50

>> a little bit of that? Well, he has

1:52:51

amazing defense. It's just amazing

1:52:54

awareness and he pattern recognition,

1:52:58

technique. It's he's like he's a

1:53:01

combination of all things, right?

1:53:03

incredible confidence, incredible

1:53:04

intelligence, insane discipline, work

1:53:07

ethic, but just uh great training

1:53:10

methods. Like he does everything right.

1:53:12

And then insane confidence. Like his

1:53:14

confidence is insane. He when he fought

1:53:17

Charles Olivera for the lightweight

1:53:19

title, he celebrated his victory the

1:53:21

night before. He had a party to

1:53:23

celebrate the night before the fight and

1:53:25

then went out and knocked Charles out in

1:53:27

the first round and said he was going to

1:53:28

knock Charles out in the first round.

1:53:30

>> That's incredible.

1:53:31

>> One punch. Boom.

1:53:32

>> But you know what impresses me most

1:53:34

about him is how he got up after that

1:53:35

kick to the head he took. That was

1:53:37

incredible. And you know who else did

1:53:39

that was GSP. Remember when GSP took

1:53:41

that head and he went down but he

1:53:43

recovered quickly

1:53:45

>> and he was talking to me about how cuz I

1:53:48

said to him like in politics you get hit

1:53:49

you get hit right and not not physically

1:53:52

if you're lucky but but you have to be

1:53:54

able to get up quickly and react to it.

1:53:56

And I asked him how did you do it? How

1:53:57

did you like how does your brain go from

1:53:59

taking that kind of hit to getting back

1:54:02

in the fight and turning it around? And

1:54:04

he said he like it's t two very deep

1:54:06

breaths through the nose and then out

1:54:07

through the mouth and get some oxygen

1:54:09

back into your system and focus your

1:54:11

mind. I thought that was an incredible

1:54:13

lesson.

1:54:13

>> Well, I mean it's all in how you get

1:54:16

kicked cuz you could just get knocked

1:54:18

out

1:54:19

>> and then it's over.

1:54:20

>> There's nothing you could do. If you get

1:54:21

shut off, you get shut off and certain

1:54:23

people get shut off. It just you just

1:54:25

get kicked. You can get kicked and it

1:54:27

kind of glances off of you or you can

1:54:29

get kicked and it just slams right into

1:54:31

the side of your neck and it the lights

1:54:33

go dark,

1:54:34

>> right? But if you're if you're still

1:54:36

able to to recover and and think

1:54:38

quickly, it's incredible to have that

1:54:40

kind of pre-programming to ready you for

1:54:43

a moment like that.

1:54:44

>> Well, I mean that's a big part of his

1:54:47

what I was talking about the the camp

1:54:49

that he comes from. I mean, Farasa Hab

1:54:51

is like one of the most intelligent and

1:54:53

one of the most brilliant trainers in

1:54:55

the sport.

1:54:56

>> Who's this?

1:54:56

>> Farasa Hobby. He's the guy from

1:54:58

Montreal. Tristar.

1:54:59

>> So, he's the guy who trains just

1:55:01

>> trains GSP.

1:55:02

>> Oh, GSP. Okay. Yes.

1:55:04

>> And I mean, I think that is that's a big

1:55:06

part of why GSP was able to recover.

1:55:09

Like they prepare for everything,

1:55:10

>> right?

1:55:11

>> You know, it's like there's nothing left

1:55:12

to chance. Like he he hires people to

1:55:15

try to knock George out in training.

1:55:17

That was one of the things he did. It

1:55:19

would give them more money if they could

1:55:20

knock him out. So they would just so he

1:55:22

would be like fully prepared, right,

1:55:24

>> when he was fighting? Like they leave no

1:55:26

stone uncovered.

1:55:28

>> Don't you have to like budget though the

1:55:30

number of head shot

1:55:31

>> 100%. But he was pretty confident that

1:55:33

George I mean it wasn't like he was

1:55:34

doing this with a beginner. He was doing

1:55:36

this with a world champion, one of the

1:55:38

greatest of all time. He he you know he

1:55:40

wanted George to be in danger,

1:55:42

>> you know. So George had to fight like he

1:55:44

was going to fight inside the octagon,

1:55:46

>> right?

1:55:46

>> In danger. Because John Jones said

1:55:49

somewhere that he had like every time he

1:55:51

gets hit hard in in camp, he's he said

1:55:54

like I just that that's part of my brain

1:55:56

budget that's that's been taken away.

1:55:58

>> Well, that's why John's so smart. He he

1:56:01

recognizes that there's a lot of people

1:56:02

that don't think that way. John also

1:56:04

famously won't take a fight on short

1:56:06

notice.

1:56:07

>> Is that right?

1:56:07

>> He wants to be fully prepared for a

1:56:09

fighter. Even a guy like when he fought

1:56:11

Chel Sunen, um they offered him a Chale

1:56:14

Sunen fight on short notice and he said

1:56:15

no. Like there is not a time, no

1:56:18

disrespect to Chale, he's a great

1:56:20

fighter.

1:56:20

>> No, there's not a time on this life in

1:56:22

this earth where Chel Son is going to

1:56:25

beat Jon Jones. It's just not going to

1:56:26

happen. He could have taken that fight

1:56:27

on one day's notice and still beat Chale

1:56:29

Sun. He's that much better than him. But

1:56:32

he still wouldn't take it. He's like,

1:56:33

"No, I want to be fully 100% prepared."

1:56:36

>> That's smart, though.

1:56:37

>> Yeah. Also, he hated Chale. And so he

1:56:39

wanted to make sure that there was not a

1:56:41

chance that Chale could do anything to

1:56:42

him that he would have been able to

1:56:44

wouldn't have been able to do if he was

1:56:45

trained.

1:56:46

>> Do these guys hate each other

1:56:47

>> sometimes.

1:56:48

>> Is it most of them do they respect or is

1:56:51

it depends on the fight?

1:56:52

>> It really depend. Like when Ilia Tapora

1:56:54

fought um Charles Aivera, he actually

1:56:57

apologized to him before the fight. He

1:56:59

said, "I'm sorry. It has to be you. I

1:57:01

really like you."

1:57:05

>> Kind of crazy.

1:57:06

>> He's got to be careful though. hated

1:57:08

people, too. He's hated people he

1:57:09

fought, too. I mean, there's some people

1:57:10

that just rub you the wrong way. There's

1:57:12

some people there's strategies to get

1:57:13

inside your head and [ __ ] with you and

1:57:15

and for you to fight with emotion.

1:57:17

>> Well, Habib with um

1:57:19

>> Conor McGregor.

1:57:19

>> With McGregor, he he really hated

1:57:21

McGregor. He wasn't going to almost

1:57:22

didn't let go when the tap happened,

1:57:24

right?

1:57:24

>> Yeah. Yeah.

1:57:25

>> That was that was something else. Is

1:57:27

Conor ever going to come back, do you

1:57:28

think?

1:57:29

>> Only Conor knows. I mean, if he's going

1:57:32

to, he has to do it soon. I mean, I

1:57:33

think he's 30. How old is he now? 37.

1:57:38

He

1:57:39

>> he's jacked now, eh?

1:57:40

>> Yeah. Well, not anymore.

1:57:41

>> Oh, he came back down.

1:57:42

>> He was uh on the Mexican supplements for

1:57:44

a while.

1:57:45

>> Okay.

1:57:45

>> Because he was trying to uh recover from

1:57:48

his uh leg break,

1:57:50

>> right?

1:57:50

>> So, when he fought Dustin Porier,

1:57:52

>> I remember that

1:57:52

>> he got on some stuff to try to recover

1:57:54

for that. I don't know what he got on,

1:57:56

but clearly it helped. He got huge. He

1:57:58

got super jacked. The problem with

1:58:00

getting super jacked like that is then

1:58:01

you get addicted to what got you super

1:58:03

jacked cuz you if you're on steroids you

1:58:05

feel like Superman, you know, you you

1:58:07

feel like you could just run through

1:58:09

walls and then you get off of it and now

1:58:11

your endocrine system has to kind of

1:58:13

catch up to the fact that you've been

1:58:15

giving it exogenous tech testosterone

1:58:18

for all these months and so that it

1:58:20

takes a long time for you to get back to

1:58:22

a normal healthy level so you feel like

1:58:24

[ __ ] It's hard for these guys to get

1:58:26

off of steroids,

1:58:27

>> right? I can imagine you get addicted to

1:58:28

being that I

1:58:30

>> I've never done it. I don't plan on it.

1:58:32

>> How old is he?

1:58:33

>> 37.

1:58:34

>> 37. Almost 38.

1:58:35

>> That's getting up there. Who's the

1:58:37

oldest fighter that's ever been in the

1:58:38

octagon? Like who's a serious

1:58:39

competitor?

1:58:41

>> Probably Randy Couture. I think Randy

1:58:43

won the world title, the world

1:58:45

heavyweight title in his 40s.

1:58:47

>> Wow.

1:58:48

>> Yeah. But Randy didn't even start his

1:58:51

mix mixed martial arts career. I think I

1:58:54

think I was there at his first fight in

1:58:58

1997 and I think he was 34 or 35 before

1:59:03

he ever had uh an MMA fight. He was just

1:59:06

an elite wrestler who, you know, made

1:59:08

his way into MMA because, you know,

1:59:11

there's no real professional outlet for

1:59:13

actual amateur wrestling.

1:59:15

>> Did you ever interact with the Gracies?

1:59:16

Because I remember way back in like I

1:59:18

remember MMA or UFC 2, it was the second

1:59:21

one. That was when it really kicked.

1:59:22

First one was a little bit strange was

1:59:24

that big fat guy whose tooth went flying

1:59:26

out that. But number two was the one

1:59:28

with

1:59:29

>> Shamrock and uh Gracie and uh Dan

1:59:33

Severn. Was he in number two? Dan Severn

1:59:35

the wrestler.

1:59:35

>> I think he was later.

1:59:36

>> It might have been three or four.

1:59:38

>> Yeah.

1:59:38

>> But that was kind of the first

1:59:39

generation

1:59:41

>> of big names.

1:59:42

>> Oh, Hoy Gracie changed the world.

1:59:43

>> Yeah. With his he was a slow style

1:59:46

though, man. Like you had to have

1:59:47

patience to watch him because he'd sit

1:59:49

he just lie on his back and wait, wait,

1:59:51

wait, and enjoy. Well, with Dan Severn,

1:59:52

he did because he he had to catch him in

1:59:54

a triangle, right? And he eventually

1:59:55

tapped him and no one even understood

1:59:56

what was going on. Like, why is he he's

1:59:58

got his legs wrapped around him. What

2:00:00

the hell is going on? And then all of a

2:00:02

sudden, Dan Severn's tapping out. You're

2:00:04

like, this is crazy. So, a man who

2:00:05

weighed literally 100 pounds more than

2:00:08

him or close to it,

2:00:09

>> right? On top of him and hoist beat him.

2:00:11

>> Well, Dan Dan Severn didn't appear to

2:00:13

have any finishing moves. Like, he was

2:00:15

think I got you on your back. I've

2:00:16

pinned you. I've won the wrestling

2:00:17

match. It would kind of give you little

2:00:19

nuggies, knuckle sandwiches,

2:00:20

>> but but then of course uh eventually

2:00:22

that anaconda comes in and either chokes

2:00:24

you out or takes your arm.

2:00:26

>> Well, no one understood jiu-jitsu until

2:00:28

Hoist came around, you know, other dad,

2:00:30

wasn't it? His dad that introduced it to

2:00:32

the family.

2:00:33

>> His dad and his uh uncle. So, it was it

2:00:36

was Carlos Gracie and Ilio Gracie who

2:00:38

were the real founders of Brazilian

2:00:40

jiu-jitsu and then Carlson Gracie.

2:00:42

>> Okay. And those guys were the pioneers.

2:00:45

And they were having no rules fights in

2:00:47

the 1930s and 40s.

2:00:48

>> Wow.

2:00:49

>> Yeah.

2:00:50

>> And did they bring it over from Japan?

2:00:52

>> Um, Miada brought it over from Japan and

2:00:55

they taught the Gracies. And then um,

2:00:58

you know, Ilio Gracie famously had a

2:01:01

match with Kimura, who was a Japanese

2:01:04

judoka who broke Ilio's arm with a

2:01:08

kamura. And that's how that that

2:01:10

technique that's why it's called a

2:01:11

kimura. Really?

2:01:12

>> Uh yeah, in catch wrestling they call it

2:01:14

a double wrist lock.

2:01:16

>> Okay.

2:01:16

>> But we call it a kamura because Kamura

2:01:19

broke Ilio Graciey's arm with this. Ilio

2:01:22

just refused to tap and it's like and

2:01:25

and eventually it snapped his arm.

2:01:27

>> Wow. That's incredible.

2:01:28

>> You know, they're having these long no

2:01:29

rules fights in Brazil long before

2:01:32

anybody had any idea what MMA was in

2:01:35

America. And then Hoist's brother Hixon

2:01:39

who was the best out of all of them.

2:01:41

Hixon was fighting people when he was 18

2:01:43

in like these big arenas really in

2:01:46

Brazil. Yeah.

2:01:47

>> Unbelievable. And then they then I guess

2:01:50

Dana White brought it in with UFC and

2:01:52

>> No, it wasn't Dana. It was uh there

2:01:55

there was another organization before uh

2:01:58

Zufa owned the UFC and this other

2:02:01

organization they started it with Hen

2:02:03

Gracie. So Hen Gracie was the guy who

2:02:06

founded the UFC. Okay. And originally

2:02:08

they were talking about putting like a

2:02:10

moat around the cage and having

2:02:12

crocodiles in it and [ __ ] They wanted

2:02:14

it to be like completely insane because

2:02:16

what it was for Hian, Hian's a brilliant

2:02:19

man. And what what for him what he

2:02:21

wanted was to promote jiu-jitsu and he's

2:02:24

like this is going to be the best way to

2:02:25

open up schools all over the country and

2:02:27

to show this art that my father had

2:02:30

created.

2:02:30

>> Right? So they had really taken some of

2:02:33

the ground techniques of judo and really

2:02:35

refined them to a razor sharp edge. And

2:02:38

and also one of the things that helped a

2:02:40

lot was that Ilio was a small man. He

2:02:42

was only like 145 lbs. And so he had to

2:02:46

use only technique and leverage. He

2:02:48

couldn't rely on brute strength. And so

2:02:51

it was one of the best sort of

2:02:54

advertisements is to have hoist who was

2:02:57

also fairly small. Oh, he's only 175

2:02:59

lbs. Beat all these big giant

2:03:01

musclebound guys with pure technique cuz

2:03:04

they didn't understand what he was

2:03:05

doing. And he was like, "This is going

2:03:06

to be brilliant. This is going to" And

2:03:07

it worked. I mean, the the the name

2:03:10

Gracie and Jiu-Jitsu are synonymous.

2:03:12

>> It's everywhere now. Like, we even have

2:03:13

them in Canada where these these schools

2:03:16

will have the Gracie name and obviously

2:03:17

they have no attachment to Gracie uh

2:03:19

your the Brazilian Gracies, but

2:03:21

everybody wants to learn the Gracie

2:03:23

style. Well, they probably do have a

2:03:24

like Gracie Baja, which is a huge uh

2:03:28

affiliate of gyms. They're all over the

2:03:29

country, the world. They're everywhere.

2:03:31

>> Are they good?

2:03:32

>> Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, there's like

2:03:34

it's very difficult to have a bad

2:03:36

jiu-jitsu gym today.

2:03:37

>> Why is that? Because they're so

2:03:38

competitive.

2:03:39

>> It's too competitive. There's too many

2:03:41

good people. There's too many good gyms.

2:03:43

Like in Austin alone, Austin alone has

2:03:45

like 10 amazing jiu-jitsu schools.

2:03:47

>> Is that right? Oh, yeah.

2:03:48

>> Do you go Do you go enroll quite often?

2:03:50

There's a place right up the street,

2:03:51

10th Planet Jiu-Jitsu, which is the

2:03:53

school that I started with. Okay.

2:03:54

>> In California. Well, I started with the

2:03:56

Mach. Well, I actually started with

2:03:57

Hicks and Gra I started

2:03:59

>> I started with Hicks and Gracie and then

2:04:00

I went to Carlson Gracie and then I and

2:04:03

that was just cuz I didn't know there

2:04:04

was any difference in the Gracies and

2:04:06

then Carlson Gracie was closer to my

2:04:08

house. I like, oh, I'll go to this

2:04:09

Gracie place. It's closer. This is when

2:04:10

I was a white belt. I didn't know

2:04:11

anything. And then when they closed,

2:04:14

when that gym closed, then I went to

2:04:16

Jeanjac Machadoo. And so I started

2:04:18

training there in 1998. And that was um

2:04:21

that was in uh the valley in California.

2:04:23

Uh but then um one of John Jock's black

2:04:26

belts, my best friend Eddie Bravo, he

2:04:28

started 10th planet jiu-jitsu and then I

2:04:30

I trained there as well.

2:04:32

>> Okay. And in Canada with we see a lot of

2:04:34

places where they do Muay Thai and

2:04:37

jiu-jitsu. So you get your striking and

2:04:38

your grappling all in one.

2:04:40

>> Ted Planet here has a Muay Thai program.

2:04:42

Oh,

2:04:42

>> is that right? So that's now a lot of

2:04:44

those gyms have that.

2:04:44

>> And you went to your first as a

2:04:46

commentator. You did it like for free,

2:04:47

didn't you?

2:04:48

>> No. No, I I got paid in the early days

2:04:51

in the 90s in the in 1997, but it wasn't

2:04:54

much. I was losing money. But when the

2:04:57

UFC was purchased by Zufa in 2001, that

2:05:01

was when I was on Fear Factor and I met

2:05:04

Dana White and I became friends with him

2:05:07

and he asked me as a favor to do

2:05:09

commentary on this one show that they

2:05:11

had, UFC 37 and a half. It was on Fox

2:05:15

Sports, whatever it was, the there was a

2:05:18

cable channel. So, it was best damn

2:05:20

sports show, period. Had this UFC show

2:05:22

and he said, "Would you do me a favor

2:05:24

and just do commentary on this one

2:05:26

event, right?"

2:05:26

>> And I said, "Okay, I'll do it for this

2:05:28

one." Then he's like, "I want you to do

2:05:29

it again."

2:05:30

>> And then I was like, "Okay." So, I I I

2:05:33

was like, I just wanted to do it for

2:05:34

fun. Like, for me, it's like I like

2:05:36

going to the fights and I like going

2:05:38

with my friends and having a good time.

2:05:40

And I did like the first 15 of them for

2:05:43

free. I just they I knew they were

2:05:45

hemorrhaging money and I didn't need any

2:05:47

money.

2:05:47

>> But you loved it. You love being there.

2:05:48

It was like a kid in a candy store.

2:05:50

>> Well, also was very happy to try to

2:05:52

promote this thing because for me it was

2:05:55

the ultimate expression of martial arts.

2:05:57

Like we need to find out what's the best

2:05:59

style, right?

2:06:00

>> And I had kind of I had been so

2:06:02

engrossed in that world in Japan with

2:06:05

Pride and all these other organizations

2:06:07

that they had over there. And

2:06:08

>> it's like what happens if an alligator

2:06:10

fights with a tiger? What happens when a

2:06:12

lion fights with a bear? We got to match

2:06:14

them up and find out.

2:06:15

>> Well, it's humans versus humans. So,

2:06:17

it's just style

2:06:20

because you didn't want to waste your

2:06:21

time doing something that didn't work.

2:06:23

And there was a lot of people that waste

2:06:24

their time doing stuff that didn't work.

2:06:27

>> And we didn't really know what that was

2:06:28

until the UFC came along. And then we're

2:06:30

like, oh. And now the evolution of

2:06:34

martial arts from 1993 when the UFC

2:06:36

started to 2026. In those years,

2:06:41

martial arts have evolved more than they

2:06:43

have in the last 30,000 years.

2:06:44

>> Right. Well, it's like the the gap

2:06:46

between theory and practice. Yes.

2:06:48

>> And like uh Bruce Lee when he when he he

2:06:53

started Wing Chun, but he said that a

2:06:55

lot of it was just or ornamental. And he

2:06:57

called it dryland swimming.

2:07:00

>> It's like, you know, you wouldn't

2:07:01

actually do that in a fight. And then he

2:07:03

got into a lot of um contention with the

2:07:06

the scholars of the art form. It's a

2:07:09

very beautiful art form, Wing Chung, but

2:07:10

I don't know if it I can't imagine it

2:07:12

works that well in fight.

2:07:14

>> It is Wing Chong is effective. There's a

2:07:16

lot of techniques.

2:07:16

>> If you got into a fist fight between

2:07:18

like a Muay Thai guy and a Wing Chung

2:07:21

guy, who would come out on

2:07:21

>> the Muay Thai guy, but it doesn't mean

2:07:23

that Wing Chong's not effective. And you

2:07:25

could use Wing Chong in Muay Thai or in

2:07:28

an MMA fight. But you have to know

2:07:29

everything. That's the reality of it.

2:07:31

It's like taekwondo. Like taekwondo is

2:07:33

not effective by itself in an MMA fight.

2:07:36

But if you know MMA and you know

2:07:38

taekwondo, then you could do like what

2:07:41

Edson Barbosa did to Terry Edam and

2:07:43

knock him out with a wheel kick in

2:07:44

spectacular fashion. Like

2:07:47

has like a big blend, right? Like you

2:07:49

get some some Muay Thai, some karate,

2:07:51

some

2:07:51

>> Yes.

2:07:52

>> That's what MMA is. Mixed martial arts.

2:07:55

I mean it's like you take all and that's

2:07:57

Bruce Lee's philosophy. Absorb what's

2:07:59

useful. I mean, he was the real first

2:08:01

mixed martial artist and when it was

2:08:04

very dangerous to do that because people

2:08:06

hated him. I mean, they would attack

2:08:07

him. He would have he would have to have

2:08:09

fights with people because they they

2:08:11

thought that he was disrespecting their

2:08:12

art,

2:08:13

>> right?

2:08:13

>> You know, and he combined western boxing

2:08:16

and wrestling. He learned judo from Gene

2:08:18

Leel. He learned things from everybody.

2:08:20

He learned karate, sav. He learned all

2:08:23

these different martial arts and was

2:08:25

absorbing what's useful and putting his

2:08:26

own. So J Kundo his style was really the

2:08:30

first mixed martial arts style.

2:08:32

>> Is that right?

2:08:32

>> Yeah.

2:08:32

>> Do people use it anymore?

2:08:34

>> Well, yeah. There's J Kundo schools.

2:08:36

Sure. Yeah. Yeah. I mean I mean a lot of

2:08:39

what Krab Magazi martial art is like

2:08:42

kind of a a combination of things along

2:08:44

the same lines of the way Bruce Lee did

2:08:47

it.

2:08:47

>> Is it is Krab Mra a good effective

2:08:50

martial arts system?

2:08:51

>> Every martial art system is effective if

2:08:54

you have a great instructor. Okay.

2:08:56

>> Right. But on their own, like the best

2:09:01

styles are the really strong styles like

2:09:03

jiu-jitsu, Muay Thai, wrestling. Those

2:09:05

are the best sty western boxing. Those

2:09:07

are the best styles on their own. Okay.

2:09:09

But what Krab Magga is is a combination

2:09:12

of all those styles. And so if you have

2:09:14

a great instructor in Krab Magga, yeah,

2:09:16

you'll you'll learn great Muay Thai,

2:09:18

you'll learn great jiu-jitsu, you it's

2:09:20

essentially mixed martial arts, but with

2:09:22

a lot of emphasis on real world

2:09:24

application, street fights, you know,

2:09:27

dirty stuff like eye gouging, you know,

2:09:29

poking people in the eye, kicking them

2:09:31

in the nuts. Yikes.

2:09:32

>> Stuff that works. But that's what you

2:09:33

like. You see it in an MMA fight all the

2:09:36

time. A guy gets poked in the eye. He's

2:09:37

like, "Hey, hang on." And he has to

2:09:38

stop. Like punched and it's against

2:09:41

rules. So, this guy's getting punched

2:09:43

and kicked. And look, Tom Aspenol, he

2:09:46

was in the heavyweight title fight and

2:09:48

he got eye poked in the first round.

2:09:49

He's had to have two surgeries since

2:09:51

then on his eyes and he hasn't been able

2:09:53

to fight. They had to stop the fight in

2:09:54

the first round from an eye poke.

2:09:56

>> My god.

2:09:57

>> It's very effective. But in crowd mag,

2:09:58

they're like go for the eyes. Bang. Cuz

2:10:00

in a real world fight for your life

2:10:03

scenario technique. I mean, it's for the

2:10:05

Israeli military I think.

2:10:06

>> Exactly. So they have to prepare for,

2:10:09

you know, unusual situations where where

2:10:11

you're trying to survive in a in a, you

2:10:13

know, a situation where your arm has

2:10:15

been your your weapon has been removed

2:10:17

and you're and you're just trying to

2:10:18

fight for your life.

2:10:19

>> Exactly. Well, just in your in a

2:10:20

situation with hand handtoh hand combat,

2:10:22

you need to learn how you need to know

2:10:24

every you need if a guy takes you down,

2:10:26

you can't be lost. Oh, we have to get

2:10:28

back up so I can fight. No, you have to

2:10:29

be able to fight on the ground. And

2:10:31

that's the idea of it. like incorporate

2:10:32

jiu-jitsu, incorporate leg kicks, Muay

2:10:35

Thai, western boxing, even jundo

2:10:38

techniques, even wing chong techniques.

2:10:41

There's a lot of hand trapping and

2:10:43

things in Wing Chong that can be very

2:10:45

>> It looks really cool what they do with

2:10:46

that wooden uh that wooden uh dummy.

2:10:50

It looks

2:10:52

>> Exactly.

2:10:53

>> I've never really got into that, but if

2:10:54

you do get into that, you'll learn

2:10:56

blocking techniques and you'll learn

2:10:58

>> that actually work.

2:10:58

>> Yeah, sure.

2:10:59

>> Okay. But you they'll work if you know

2:11:02

the other stuff. They won't work if a

2:11:04

guy just shoots a double on you and

2:11:05

takes you down and starts pounding you.

2:11:07

You don't know what to do when you're on

2:11:08

the bottom, right? You have to know how

2:11:10

to and this is what really MMA has

2:11:13

taught the world. It's like you have to

2:11:15

be able to defend yourself everywhere.

2:11:17

Standing up on the ground, you have to

2:11:19

be effective in all the realms,

2:11:22

>> right? But still, we have a lot of

2:11:23

people that are pure specialists that do

2:11:26

really well in mixed martial arts

2:11:28

because they're so good in one area,

2:11:30

like Alex Pereira, who is the

2:11:33

middleweight champion, light heavyweight

2:11:34

champion, and now he's going up to

2:11:36

heavyweight, and he's going to be

2:11:36

fighting at the White House card. Alex

2:11:38

Pereira is one of the greatest

2:11:40

kickboxers of all time. He's a two

2:11:42

division world champion in kickboxer,

2:11:44

but his style is all kickboxing, but he

2:11:47

just developed takedown defense.

2:11:48

>> He can do it all. He can do it all,

2:11:50

>> but he doesn't submit anybody. If you're

2:11:52

fighting him, you're going to get you're

2:11:53

going to get it's going to be a stand up

2:11:55

fight. Unless you could take him down,

2:11:57

he's not going to try to take you down.

2:11:58

He's going to try to [ __ ] you up. He's

2:12:00

going to try to knock you into another

2:12:01

dimension.

2:12:02

>> Thanks for the warning. I'll try to

2:12:03

avoid the guy if I see him on the

2:12:05

street.

2:12:05

>> Terrifying.

2:12:06

>> The funniest thing I ever saw was

2:12:07

there's this video of of Jon Jones on

2:12:09

the street somewhere and he he he bumped

2:12:12

into he was talking and he he leaned on

2:12:14

some guy's motorcycle. I think I he

2:12:16

might have been in in Asia or something.

2:12:18

The guy had no idea who he was and he

2:12:20

started screaming at him.

2:12:21

>> Oh no.

2:12:22

>> And John said, "I'm very, very sorry."

2:12:24

And he turned around, he ran away like

2:12:26

he was terrified. And it was just

2:12:28

obviously he wasn't in any danger. But

2:12:30

it was so hilarious that this guy had no

2:12:31

idea who he was picking a fight with.

2:12:33

>> That's hilarious. The guy has no idea.

2:12:36

His life flashed before his eyes.

2:12:38

>> But he but he he took it well because he

2:12:40

was like, you know, I don't have

2:12:40

anything to prove.

2:12:41

>> Yeah. John's not the type of guy that

2:12:43

would do anything to I mean all also

2:12:44

what a lawsuit, you know.

2:12:46

>> Oh yeah. Your your hands are weapons.

2:12:48

>> I mean, his whole body is a weapon,

2:12:50

>> but most of those guys are really nice

2:12:52

guys in real life.

2:12:53

>> Is that right?

2:12:54

>> Yeah. Because they get all their

2:12:55

aggression out. They don't have anything

2:12:57

to prove. They're not the type of per

2:12:59

they know what they can do. They don't

2:13:01

have to prove it to anybody. They

2:13:02

>> Well, you should come to Winnipeg. They

2:13:03

They have a fight coming up. I think

2:13:05

it's in uh I think it's in April. It's

2:13:07

in April.

2:13:08

>> A UFC in in Winnipeg. Yeah. I've avoided

2:13:10

UFC's in Canada.

2:13:11

>> Well, come on up. I

2:13:12

>> I've avoided it just because of the

2:13:13

government. Just because of what was

2:13:14

going on as a protest. So, I was like,

2:13:16

"This is so fucked."

2:13:17

>> Well, we'll come back up and

2:13:18

>> Well, if you win, I'll go up there.

2:13:20

>> How about that?

2:13:20

>> We should get you up before

2:13:21

>> you become prime minister. I promise

2:13:23

I'll do all the UFC events that they

2:13:25

have in Canada.

2:13:26

>> We need you up in Canada to come uh come

2:13:28

do one of your comedy shows and uh it

2:13:30

would be great for tour.

2:13:31

>> I love going up there. I used to love

2:13:32

going to Massie Hall.

2:13:34

>> Yeah.

2:13:34

>> I I used to Toronto. Yeah. I I love

2:13:36

performing there. I did um

2:13:39

>> You used to do Montreal and

2:13:41

>> and uh How old were you when you were in

2:13:42

Montreal? Oh, I started I think the

2:13:44

first time I was up there, I was like

2:13:46

25.

2:13:47

>> Such a beautiful city, eh? It's gorgeous

2:13:49

there.

2:13:50

>> Oh, I love that. Quebec is lovely. It's

2:13:52

amazing. Beautiful province.

2:13:53

>> Amazing food. Shout out to Joe Beef. One

2:13:55

of my favorite restaurants in the world

2:13:56

that's in Montreal.

2:13:58

>> Yeah, they're uh Montreal is a great

2:14:00

place. And you should come out to the

2:14:02

Prairies, too. Go to the Calgary

2:14:03

Stampede.

2:14:04

>> I've heard that's awesome. Oh, it's

2:14:05

amazing.

2:14:06

>> I've been to Edmonton. I've been to

2:14:07

Alberta. Yeah. performed in Edmonton a

2:14:10

few times and um I've I've hunted in

2:14:12

Alberta

2:14:13

>> where

2:14:14

>> um well my friends John and Jen Rivet

2:14:17

they have a they have a uh um a a guide

2:14:22

I mean they they guide people up in uh

2:14:25

northern Alberta it's all like uh you

2:14:28

know black bear hunting so it's like

2:14:30

>> there's a lot of great hunting I'm not I

2:14:32

don't hunt myself but there's a ton of

2:14:33

great hunting a lot of hunters in

2:14:35

Alberta

2:14:35

>> Oh yeah well there's talk about Alberta

2:14:37

separating

2:14:38

>> that won't happen.

2:14:39

>> What was that about?

2:14:40

>> It won't happen. Um people, some people

2:14:42

are frustrated. Uh but they, you know,

2:14:45

there's some legitimate frustrations,

2:14:47

but at the end of the day, Canada's

2:14:49

going to be united. And Albertans, I'm

2:14:51

born and raised Alberta, and Albertans

2:14:54

are seriously patriotic.

2:14:56

>> Very patriotic.

2:14:57

>> Yeah. They're great people. Hardworking.

2:14:59

>> Some of the nicest people you ever met.

2:15:00

>> They are great people in Alberta.

2:15:03

>> They are hearty people.

2:15:04

>> It's cold up there. Know how to survive.

2:15:07

>> Exactly. You got to be tough to survive

2:15:08

the cold in Canada. Carve a country like

2:15:10

we have out of that cold weather on that

2:15:12

big open land.

2:15:14

>> Um but uh people just keep on going and

2:15:17

uh Alberta's got a real kind of rugged

2:15:19

uh individualism

2:15:21

and uh people uh people love their their

2:15:24

agriculture. There's great ranches in

2:15:26

Alberta, beautiful grasslands in

2:15:28

Saskatchewan.

2:15:29

>> Doesn't Brock Lesnar have a place up

2:15:31

there?

2:15:31

>> I did I didn't know that.

2:15:32

>> I think Brock Lesnar bought land in

2:15:35

Alberta. Really? I think he owns a ranch

2:15:36

up there.

2:15:37

>> Actually, I had heard that from

2:15:38

somebody. I've never seen him.

2:15:40

>> He fell in love with it. Well, he's a

2:15:41

big hunter as well. I think he fell in

2:15:43

love with it up there cuz it's just it's

2:15:44

so magnificent. It's so gorgeous.

2:15:46

>> It's a great country.

2:15:47

>> And the woods are so dense and beautiful

2:15:50

and you got wolves and bears and moose

2:15:52

and everything up there. It's amazing

2:15:54

country.

2:15:54

>> The the Canadian Rockies are spectacular

2:15:56

as well. They're, you know, a worldwide

2:15:59

attraction. You know, you go to Lake

2:16:01

Louise, it looks like a tropical lake

2:16:03

because it's all this runoff from the

2:16:05

mountain melt and uh you'd think you

2:16:07

were in the tropics because it's this

2:16:08

this turquoise green. That's where I

2:16:10

grew up. I I love I love Calgary. I love

2:16:12

southern Alberta. That's really my home.

2:16:15

And so uh you got to come to the

2:16:17

Stampede. Greatest outdoor show on

2:16:18

earth. A lot of Texans go up for the the

2:16:21

cuz it's a rodeo. It's a huge rodeo.

2:16:23

>> Yeah. People don't think cowboy Canada.

2:16:25

They don't think of that. But yeah,

2:16:27

>> Calgary uh they they've got some serious

2:16:29

eyes there.

2:16:29

>> No, they really do. Yeah. Look, I love

2:16:31

Canada. I just uh

2:16:32

>> if if you did your comedy show in

2:16:34

Calgary, you'd get a massive turnout.

2:16:36

>> It would be great. Think it over. See,

2:16:39

when you

2:16:39

>> Well, I was supposed to be up there

2:16:40

before co I was supposed to do a show up

2:16:42

there uh for 420 for April 20th. I was

2:16:46

going to do it in Vancouver.

2:16:47

>> That's another great city. Every year I

2:16:49

would do these uh 420 shows like these,

2:16:53

you know, 420 is the marijuana number.

2:16:55

And Canada now you you guys have legal

2:16:58

marijuana, too.

2:16:59

>> I've been legal for 10 years,

2:17:00

>> which they should have in America. It's

2:17:01

so ridiculous. They just they just

2:17:02

recently decided to make it schedule

2:17:05

three.

2:17:06

>> Is it state by state?

2:17:07

>> Yes. It's legal in a lot of states, but

2:17:10

it's still not legal federally. It's

2:17:11

goofy. If alcohol is legal, marijuana is

2:17:14

far safer. It should be legal. It's

2:17:16

ridiculous. It's also a personal freedom

2:17:18

thing. Leave people alone. It's like no

2:17:20

one's robbing banks, smoking weed, and

2:17:22

[ __ ] killing their neighbors. It's

2:17:24

crazy. It's like

2:17:25

>> that's a personal personal choice.

2:17:26

>> It's not It's not heroin. It's not

2:17:29

opiates. It's not like maybe you

2:17:32

shouldn't do it if you have mental

2:17:33

health problems, right? But there's a

2:17:35

lot of people that just like take a pot

2:17:36

gummy and go to bed and it makes them

2:17:38

sleep better. Like, leave them alone.

2:17:40

Like, leave people alone. Let let people

2:17:42

have a glass of whiskey. Let people have

2:17:43

a glass of wine with dinner. Leave them

2:17:45

alone. Like stop coming up with laws

2:17:48

where you can impose your values and

2:17:51

your morals and your judgments on other

2:17:54

people. Let them have make their own

2:17:56

personal. Look, if you want to eat a

2:17:57

[ __ ] cheeseburger, eat a

2:17:58

cheeseburger. You know, if you want to

2:18:00

go and have five Big Macs, you should be

2:18:02

able to. I don't think you should do it.

2:18:04

But I don't think there should be a law

2:18:05

stopping you. And I think that's that

2:18:07

should apply to a lot of things in life

2:18:09

and we'd be a lot better off. Well, the

2:18:12

the bottom line is if you cannot trust a

2:18:14

man to govern himself, how can you trust

2:18:16

him to govern for others? Like if if you

2:18:18

think if if you think that human nature

2:18:21

is so flawed that people cannot make

2:18:23

decisions for themselves, then how could

2:18:25

you possibly trust human nature to make

2:18:27

decisions for other people to impose

2:18:29

decisions on their lives? Uh and uh who

2:18:32

watches the watchmen? You know, we're

2:18:34

constantly told we need to be we need to

2:18:36

be kind of guided by these people from

2:18:38

ivory towers. But who are these angels

2:18:40

anyway? They're just human beings like

2:18:41

everyone else. So when you give them

2:18:43

more power and more you give them the

2:18:45

power to impose their will on on people

2:18:47

then that ultimately gets abused.

2:18:49

>> Yes.

2:18:49

>> So even you're right. Even when somebody

2:18:51

is doing something that I don't agree

2:18:52

with and I would think it would be

2:18:53

better for all of us if they didn't do

2:18:55

it. The the the mal that is done by

2:18:58

giving me the power to impose my

2:19:00

decision-m on them is worse than the

2:19:02

benefit of trying to direct them towards

2:19:04

a better decision.

2:19:05

>> Well said.

2:19:06

>> That that's my philosophy.

2:19:07

>> That's why I like you. Well, that's

2:19:09

where I got you.

2:19:10

>> Make a lot of sense.

2:19:11

>> It's pretty simple. I think all the best

2:19:13

things in life are simple. You know, we

2:19:14

over complicate things. Government is is

2:19:16

way too complicated. You know, uh I I

2:19:19

think we need to get back to the

2:19:21

simplicity. The greatest speech in the

2:19:23

English language was Abraham Lincoln's

2:19:26

Gettysburg address. 271 words. You know,

2:19:29

Einstein compressed uh uh mass and

2:19:33

energy into a five character equation.

2:19:37

Um the you know Bruce Lee was an

2:19:39

advocate of simplicity like simplicity

2:19:41

is is a virtue and I think we have to

2:19:44

get back to simplicity especially in

2:19:45

government. Simpler, clearer, easier to

2:19:49

to manage. That's the pro that's the

2:19:51

kind of the the philosophical take I I I

2:19:53

pursue. Well, I appreciate that and I I

2:19:56

think like that philosophy and that

2:19:59

perspective from a leader is what we

2:20:02

need in this world, you know, and uh

2:20:04

>> well, I think leaders have to have

2:20:05

humility because the the problem is that

2:20:07

if you are a egoomaniac and you're in

2:20:09

power anywhere in the world, then you're

2:20:12

going to want to just continually impose

2:20:14

new rules and laws to make yourself

2:20:15

bigger. Whereas, if you believe in

2:20:17

freedom, then you have to take you have

2:20:20

to be able to say to yourself, I don't

2:20:22

know better for this other person. he

2:20:24

knows better what's for him and you know

2:20:26

it's it's hard but politicians have to

2:20:29

think that they have to trust the people

2:20:32

but you know nobody wants to have he

2:20:34

left people alone on their gravestone

2:20:36

they want to think oh he built this he

2:20:37

he imposed that he made this grand uh uh

2:20:40

initiative that he imposed on the people

2:20:42

in order to have a legacy but my legacy

2:20:44

is just to let other people build their

2:20:46

legacies in their own lives

2:20:49

>> I think the idea of forging a legacy

2:20:51

based on controlling people and imposing

2:20:53

your will is ludicrous.

2:20:54

>> Exactly.

2:20:55

>> Yeah.

2:20:56

>> And uh

2:20:56

>> but the problem is history is littered

2:20:58

with people like that.

2:20:59

>> Absolutely.

2:20:59

>> Alexander the Great, Genghaskhan,

2:21:01

there's so many people that impose their

2:21:03

will and left a legacy. But is that

2:21:05

good?

2:21:06

>> I don't think it is.

2:21:07

>> It's not. And it's also they're dead.

2:21:09

This is It doesn't matter.

2:21:12

>> Nobody Nobody walked by walked by one of

2:21:14

those magnificent tombs in in Petra and

2:21:17

said, "Boy, I'd really like to be inside

2:21:18

there."

2:21:19

>> Exactly. what what is happening while

2:21:21

you're alive is what's really

2:21:23

significant and the most the the most

2:21:25

impactful thing like do well do good for

2:21:28

the people and I think uh your message

2:21:31

resonates with me

2:21:33

>> and if I was a Canadian I would vote for

2:21:34

you 100%.

2:21:35

>> Thank you. Thank you for that. Well,

2:21:37

it's uh it's um you know it's a

2:21:39

privilege to do this work and I'm I

2:21:41

consider it very humbling and I'm very

2:21:42

proud to be Canadian and uh to take the

2:21:46

message of Canada here to our American

2:21:47

friends. Well, I'm glad you're here

2:21:49

doing that and I think uh this is going

2:21:51

to have a big impact.

2:21:53

>> I really hope it moves the needle up in

2:21:55

Canada.

2:21:56

>> Absolutely. And down here, we got to get

2:21:57

these tariffs gone. Get the tariffs

2:21:59

gone.

2:22:00

>> Well, let's work it out. Work it out.

2:22:02

And uh if you win, I'm coming up there.

2:22:04

I promise.

2:22:04

>> Well, we're going to try to get you up

2:22:06

there earlier. I'm going to keep working

2:22:07

on you. And you look at that that maple

2:22:09

leaf on your new kettle bell every day.

2:22:10

Eventually, we're going to we're going

2:22:12

to uh work subliminally into your

2:22:14

subconscious and get you up.

2:22:15

>> Well, look, like I said, you don't have

2:22:16

to sell me on Canada. I love Canada and

2:22:18

uh I I love that gift. So, thank you so

2:22:21

much. I really appreciate Thank you for

2:22:22

being here. It was awesome.

2:22:24

>> Thank you. All right, buddy.

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