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>> How are you, sir? Pleasure to meet you.
>> It's great to be here. Thanks for having
me. Great to be back in Texas.
>> I'm glad we finally did this.
>> Yes, me too.
>> I wanted to do it the first go around.
>> Yeah, I know. Uh well, when I got the
invitation, we were in the middle of the
election and we just don't leave the
country during election campaigns.
>> I get it. And uh the problem we've had
is we can't get you to come to Canada.
>> And so uh we've actually hatched a full
strategy to get you into Canada cuz we
think it's going to do big things for
our tourism numbers. So do you mind if I
present you with something right out of
the gate?
>> Sure.
>> All right. This is uh
>> this is from a gunsmith and machinist in
Calgary, Alberta. His name is Jay, and
he's designed uh
>> Look at this kettle bell. Guess what the
weight is?
>> Uh 70 pounds.
>> 70 pounds. That's the That's the weight
you cabinet. It says on the front here,
Jamie, it says here on the front, Jamie,
pull it up. So, we've got that. We've
got uh you see here some other stuff. Uh
for a stand.
>> Oh, that's really cool.
>> Look at this stand here. So, we've got
seeing is believing, which I think was
the slogan of the first UFC that you
were the commentator for. I think it was
number 13.
>> 12.
>> Number 12. Right. And then we've got
here your favorite quote from um
what's his name? The Japanese uh martial
artist.
>> Yes. And it says,
>> "If you know the way broadly, you will
see it in everything."
>> So that's here. And then Morris code.
There's a thank you letter for you. And
we've got
>> you've got your flying saucer.
>> And we've got your logo here, too. So,
but most important of all,
>> we've got a subliminal message, which is
the Canadian maple leaf.
>> Oh. Every time you do a kettle bell
swing, you do a snatch, you do a clean,
you're going to be seeing that maple
leaf and you're going to be reminding
yourself that you need to come back to
Canada.
>> All right.
>> All right. I'll present that to you
there.
>> Thank you very much.
>> Go on there, too.
>> Very cool.
>> Is that in the way, Jamie?
>> I can take it off.
>> We'll take it off.
>> Put it down.
>> So, uh,
>> I saw your I saw your, uh, interview
with Pavle. And I'm a I'm a big
kettlebell freak.
>> Are you really?
>> Yeah, absolutely. And I started
researching him after you had him on and
I was trying to I love history. So
>> I was thinking why did the Russians come
up with this? And uh it it turns out
they used it as a counterweight at the
farmer markets. So they would say, you
know, you come in, you have to say this
is how much potatoes you're buying. But
instead of trying to do it by eyeball,
they would put what is now kabel on one
side of the scale and then the produce
on the other. And then at the farmers
expeditions, you had these big Russian
farmers who want to show how strong they
were. So they would pick them up and do
all kinds of um displays with them. And
then then the Russian army took it on,
the Soviet army took it on. And then
that's where Pavle picked it up and then
brought it over the Atlantic and uh
introduced it to America.
>> Wow, that's crazy. So it was just
accidental that they made this very
functional tool for fitness. Yeah, it
was the it was just you'd go to a
farmers market, you want to buy some
barley or some potatoes, but you don't
know if you're actually getting the real
weight. So, they'd have a scale, a
balancing scale, and they put the kettle
bell on one side and the produce on the
other, and then you knew you got the
right amount. And then, of course, they
have these big farmers um farm fairs,
and they're showing off their their
horses and their cattle and stuff, and
they want to do strength displays. So
these farmers are throwing these things
around and the Russian military picked
it up and then the Soviets of course
took over and they took it on and then
Pavle I think he was a Bellar Russian
though if I'm not mistaken Pavl
>> and he brought it over to uh North
America but uh the ancient Chinese did
it as well. You got uh really yeah the
ancient Chinese the Shaolin monks have
used them but they didn't do it with
cast iron. They had theirs were sort of
a concrete a concrete block and uh they
they did it for strength training as
well.
>> Oh wow. Little history.
>> Yeah. So I'm a big kettlebell freak. I I
love it. And uh I really I started to
study what Powell's teaching. I wanted I
think he has an accreditation or
something. If I ever get time I might
take it.
>> Yeah. Strong first. Yeah. That's his uh
organization.
>> And you're doing you have a whole
program. I think you you do clean to
press and then
>> Yeah. I do a bunch of different things.
squats, overhead squat and all that.
>> It's a great functional tool just for
your whole body,
>> right?
>> You know, it's really one of the best
pieces of exercise equipment I think
I've ever found.
>> Yeah. I think he calls it a a cannonball
on a handle. Um and uh the thing I like
about it is the it's like a cat
catapult.
Like it all of the lift is in that that
instant where it flips over your hand
>> and uh the original ones. Wow, that's
crazy.
That's so interesting. So, the handle
was just to pick it up and carry it
around.
>> Yeah.
>> Wow.
>> That had a real functional use.
>> Well, it's just amazing how good it is
for a piece of exercise equipment that
was accidentally designed that way.
>> Absolutely. And uh I think it's far
superior to uh to a dumbbell exercise
because there's no uh a dumbbell you got
a you get a consistent lift, but that's
not real life. If you're in a fight or
you have to pick something up heavy, it
doesn't lift consistently. It's it's
explosive in that small range and you
know when you're doing a snatch, by the
time you get up to your shoulder, the
thing's weightless because the catapult
the catapult effect has taken over and
now it's actually negative weights
lifting your hand up in the air if
you're doing it right. But like if
you're in a fight or if you're in a
wrestling match or you're you're trying
to push really hard against a heavy
object, it's all about explosive power
and that's what kettle bells give rather
than just this sort of uh freeze and
contract thing that you do with with
dumbbells.
>> Have you always been a workout guy?
>> Yeah, look, I I was um big into sports
until my mid- teens. I was on the
wrestling team. I wasn't great. I was
good, but I wasn't great. Um then I got
a a wicked uh tendinitis in my shoulder
>> and it ended my athleticism for like
four years and that's how I got into
politics. I was so bored. I got get home
from school I had nothing to do
>> so I took I told my mother
>> tendinitis got you into politics?
>> Yeah that's what it was. I just couldn't
get rid of it. Like I every time I
thought I had it beat I'd go in and I'd
train and it would be full of
inflammation. No one could do anything
about it. And so I was like bored out of
my mind and I said to my mom like, you
know, you go to these local meetings
with the conservative association, like
take me to that because I'm going crazy.
And
>> that's nuts. Yeah. So that So what what
what were you interested in when you
first went there? Like we just
didn't like the way things were running.
Like what what was it about it that got
you so curious?
Well, I grew up in a suburban
neighborhood in south south end of
Calgary. You know, my folks were
teachers. I was adopted. My mom was a
16-year-old on she she was a obviously a
single mom. She put me up for adoption
to two school teachers. There was
electricians and oil workers and police
officers lived on our street. Normal,
hardworking, good folks. And I always
grew up with the impression they were
getting screwed over and that um the
government didn't listen to people like
them. didn't listen to people who grew
up on streets like ours. And living in
Western Canada, there was a greater
sense of that. We called it Western
alienation at the time. And there was
this guy, kind of a quirky guy, but a
really brilliant guy named Preston
Manning. And I saw this billboard of him
and he had his fist up and it said
enough. And I said, "Yeah, I like that
guy." So I got involved in politics and
I started reading about different
things. I start I read a biography on
Fidel Castro and then I read
>> Justin's dad. No, no, no. Not Justin's
dad, right? No, no, no, no. His dad was
Pierre. His dad was Pierre. His dad was
Pierre. I had issues with Pierre
Trudeau, too, because
>> it's a great conspiracy theory, though.
>> Well, it is a hell of a I don't think
it's a true one, though. his dad is
>> unfortunately
>> his his dad um was very controversial
where I grew up because he did a lot of
damage to the oil sector and we're from
oil country and so that was one of the
things that I felt kind of resentful
about the national government and one of
the reasons I got involved is because
the west deserved a fairer deal and uh
but I read a lot of books like you know
Milton Freriedman capitalism and freedom
and and I came to to to develop a
philosophy based on just maximizing
personal financial, religious freedom,
let people make their own decisions. And
that that animated me to get involved in
politics and fight for that, and I've
been doing it ever since.
>> Wow. That's a fascinating transition
from wrestling and tendonitis, getting
deeply involved in politics.
>> Yeah. I mean, like, you know, you're a
sports guy. If you had suffered an
injury that took you out of taekwond do
when you were young and you you simply
couldn't compete at anything, you'd
probably be looking for some other
adventure.
>> Yeah, that's how it was.
>> Well, we're lucky that stem cells
weren't around back then or you never
would have gotten into politics.
>> That's right. I would have been a
wrestler. I don't know if I would have
won any awards, but uh but yeah, that
that was how I got started and and I got
very active very quickly. I got my first
internship making 600 bucks a month. uh
when I was uh 16 or 17 years old and uh
would you know take uh two trains and a
bus and an hour and 45 minutes each way.
But I was so thrilled. My dad bought me
a used suit and a used pair of shoes.
And I thought this I'm this is so
incredible. I'm an important guy. I wear
dress shoes. I wear I wear a tie. Didn't
matter that the tie was bad bought from
some dead guy whose family had sold it
to a a used store. But uh that was my
start and I loved it.
Well, uh, I'm really excited to have you
in here because I've seen you speak
multiple times and you're a very
reasonable, intelligent person. That
makes a lot of sense. And that is that
is a rare thing in politics. And I love
Canada. Like I I just say I don't go up
there anymore, but it's because I I I
think the government went horribly wrong
over the last, you know, x amount of
years. But the people are amazing. It's
like I was always I've always said that
Canada has like it's like America with
like 20% less [ __ ]
Like every time I would go up there like
people are so nice. They're they're like
the nicest people. And I think that's
part of what went wrong for Canada is
that people are rule followers and you
know they're trusting and kind people
and you know this wolf in sheep's
clothing snuck in and you know was
pretending he was a sweet guy and
passing all these crazy laws and just
when we saw what happened with COVID
with just with what happened with the
truckers and people's accounts getting
shut down for donating to the truckers
Like the whole thing was so concerning
because it's our Canada was like a part
of America almost. I mean, you're a
different country, but it's like you
used to be able to go over there with
just a driver's license, you know? It
was like it was such a cool place to I
started going to the Montreal Comedy
Festival in like 1993. I loved it up
there. It's like one of my favorite
places.
>> Just for laughs.
>> Yeah.
>> Good. How's your French?
>> Not good.
>> Okay, we'll work on that. We'll get you
some French lessons.
>> It's terrible. Well, I don't know any
French words. My wife is learning
French, though. It's interesting. She's
got this app that she's learning French.
Um, but it's just an amazing place. It's
It's a great country. And, um, to see it
go the way it's been going and sliding
the way it's been happening over the
last, you know, x amount of years,
there's just so many things that concern
me. You know, one of the things that
really concerns me is this um, assisted
suicide thing. that one in 20 deaths in
Canada is now assisted suicide. That's
insane.
>> Well, listen, my my view is that people
should have the choice, but uh the
concern we have is the suggestion that
it would be offered to kids or offered
to people whose only condition is me
mental illness,
>> right?
>> I don't agree with that. My concern as
well, I mean, if someone's got a
terminal, like a good friend of mine
>> went to Oregon to end his life because
he had ALS, but I mean, he was gone. I
mean, he could barely talk at the end of
his life. His name is Michael Lair. He
was a regular guest on Kill Tony. Great
guy,
>> right?
>> And
>> it was horrible. I mean, watching him
fade away and he wanted to go out on his
own terms. So, he went to Oregon for
assisted suicide. I mean, there's a
place for it. Yeah,
>> but I mean there was a kid recently in
Canada and he did it for seasonal
depression.
>> You I'm sure you're aware of that case.
>> Like who who allowed that to happen? Who
didn't counsel this young guy? Who
didn't give him a hug? Who didn't tell
him about diet and exercise and changing
your surroundings, your lifestyle and
just do something, right,
>> to give you some hope and happiness?
Like seasonal depression? Really? You're
going to end your life, this beautiful
life on this planet for seasonal
depression. That's
>> that's why we have to do more to give
people hope when they're suffering with
mental illness. Yes. You know, give
people the the sense that they can take
back control of their lives. Uh I think
we do have to promote fitness more
because it gives people it turns them
into a subject that controls their their
surroundings rather than an object being
controlled. It teaches people to that
that hardship is temporary and that the
aftermath is positive. And uh and we
have to give people reinstill people
with a sense of meaning when they're
going through hardship rather than than
to say that it's all over. And uh you
know I think uh we have to our system
needs to be geared towards giving people
all the best options to live on rather
than just suggesting maid as the as the
easy as the as the automatic path for
the system to impose on people. So, uh,
one of the things our party is pushing
for is to make clear that public
servants who are getting phone calls
from people who are in need of help for
something. They shouldn't be offering
that. They shouldn't be offering. People
can seek it out if they want, but when
you're calling up saying, "I'm poor or
I'm struggling or I'm having a mental
illness or I've got an injury." Uh, we
shouldn't have a a government worker
saying, "Well, consider maid." Well, the
the unfortunate thing is that any
organization that gets formed
>> wants to grow and you get financial
incentives
>> and then you hire more people and then
it gets bigger and then what do you have
to do? Well, you have to keep doing what
you're doing. What are you doing? You're
killing people. So, you're going to kill
more people because you're actually
financially incentivized to put more
people through this program and end
their lives.
>> That's that's very sad. So I think we
have to get to get to a point where
people have the freedom to make their
own decisions but they also have hope
that there is an option for them and
that's what we're trying
>> pathway you know and like the exercise
thing is not just give them you know
control of their life. It makes them
happier. It's it's it show there's been
studies that show it's much more
effective than anti-depressants.
>> Absolutely. Well, it's the first of
there's the phys physiological side
which affects the brain, but it's also
the sensation of discomfort that you
push through knowing that you have to
focus on the thing you have to do. And
uh that I think it helps us in anything
we're encountering whether you're going
through a divorce or a bankruptcy or an
injury or an illness if you know that
pushing through to the other side
because you've got a meaning there that
can give people hope for for for a
better life. You know my favorite
psychologist is u Victor Frankle Victor
Frankl and he developed this um logos
treatment which was basically giving
people a sense of meaning. He survived
the Holocaust in the concentration camp
because he had a sense of meaning that
he wanted to his book was stolen from
him in the concentration camp about this
this theory and he wanted to live on so
he could survive and write that book.
And then he found his in his teaching
that it wasn't so much people's
circumstances that determined their
happiness. It was whether they had a
meaning in life. And he tells this
incredible story of a group therapy
session where he had this very rich
woman who was married to a very rich
man. And he had next to him another lady
who was living in terrible poverty.
She'd lost a son and had a second
severely disabled son. And he said to
both them, "What will your life look
look like when you're 80 years old and
you're on your deathbed?" And the the
wealthier lady said, "Well, I will look
back and think that while I had some fun
and enjoyed the simple the the the
luxuries of being very wealthy and
having an easy life that there wasn't a
lot of meaning to it." And whereas the
mother who was struggling with a
disabled child and had lost another one
said, "Well, I gave my first child a
great life, a short one, but a great
one. I struggled to give my disabled
child a good dignified existence and I
leave this world satisfied and happy
that my life had purpose and meaning.
And the lesson that I take from that is
that it is not about whether you have a
gazillion dollars or whether your life
is easy. It's whether you have some
meaning to invest your your your life
into. And I think we have to infuse
people's lives with with meaning so that
they that they can they can live a good
life. Well, that's a great message and I
think that's one of the most important
parts of being a leader is having a
great message and having a great
philosophy and having a great
perspective. And I mean, that's what
disturbed me the most about when Trudeau
was running the country that I I didn't
feel like I thought I felt like he was
manipulating people with woke politics
and ideology and that it was just this
weird slippery slope that people were
falling down where they're losing rights
and you're you're losing your ability to
express yourself.
>> And it just it just really disturbed me
because I always felt that Canada was
like one of the freest places and one of
the most open-minded places. And it just
I I didn't understand how it could fall
so quickly.
>> We we still, you know, we are a free
country and we we are a democracy. We
have preserved that. Um you know, my
leader my this funny moment when Joe
Biden came to Parliament Hill and I
said, um, Mr. President, I'm Pierre
Paul. I'm the leader of his majesty's
loyal opposition. And he said, loyal
opposition? How can you be loyal and
opposition at the same time? I like what
the hell are you talking about? And
because you know you guys have a a
system based on the a republic whereas
ours is the British system and in our
system
the the opposition is an act of loyalty.
That's what our system it means that if
you are opposing the government
you're doing it out of loyalty to the
good of the people and our house of
commons. You have a half circle in your
congress. We have two sides in our
parliament. It's two and a half sword
lengths apart because they used to
literally kill each other in the old
English days. But the idea is the
opposition is to prosecute the hell out
of the government. Make the mighty low.
The most powerful people in the country
are supposed to tremble every time they
walk in that place because know every
mistake they made, every abuse of power,
every corruption they might have done
can be exposed and in front of all eyes.
So our system is really designed to
constrain the power of government
through what we call parliament. Like I
don't work for government. I work for
parliament and parliament works for the
people. We call it the house of commons
because the it's the house of the common
people. It's green in there because they
used to meet in the in the fields of
England. And so I really view the world
of our parliament to limit the power of
government to maximize the power of the
people, make people bigger, stronger,
and more fulfilled by having the
government narrowly focus on the on the
things it's supposed to do, roads,
military, basic social safety net,
borders, police, etc. but then leave
people alone to live their lives. If I
were to start a political party from
scratch, it would be the mind your own
damn business party, you know, just get
the government to do its job well, do
you know, do four or five things really
well and then let people live their
lives.
>> Well, that sounds very reasonable.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. I mean, anybody that doesn't go
along with that, anybody that's opposed
to that, that doesn't even make sense.
No, look, uh, like I said, the way I
grew up and everything I've seen ever
since, when I talk to farmers or factory
workers, electricians, I find they know
just as much or more than the so-called
experts I encounter on Parliament Hill.
Like back during CO when all these
governments were printing money, uh, and
all the politicians and bankers said,
"Oh, this is great. Uh, well, look at
all this money we get to spend." I'd
walk around communities and I'd have
like mechanics say, "You know, we're
going to have inflation."
And I would say, "Yeah, it makes sense
to me." And I'd go back to Parliament
Hill and the experts would all say, "No,
no, there's not going to be any
inflation." And sure enough, all that
money filtered into the economy, bid up
all the goods we buy, and and everybody
got smoked with higher prices. But the
point is that it was the it was the
common people who don't study this stuff
for a living, who don't read endless
reports and studies, who could just
figure out that if there's money pouring
into the economy that's not matched by
goods and services, it's going to bid up
the cost of everything. So that's my
experience in my my ideology is the
common guy knows how to make his own
decisions. We need to empower him to do
that.
>> Yeah. And just stay out of people's
lives.
>> Exactly. So there's a narrative in
America and the narrative is that you
were about to win and your party was
about to win but then Trump came along
and said he was going to turn Canada
into the 51st state and everybody went
crazy. Is that accurate?
>> I wouldn't say they went crazy. I mean
it like they got very upset though. I
mean
>> it's a crazy thing to say.
>> It is a crazy thing to say. Canada's not
for sale. We're never going to be the
51st state. Uh, you know, we love
Americans as neighbors and friends, but
we we want to be can uniquely and we
want to be sovereign as Canadians. It's
our country. It's where we grow up.
You're a patriot as an American. I'm a
patriot as a Canadian. It's where my
grandfather arrived. It's where our
collective ancestors uh put on military
uniforms and sailed to fight wars. It's
where our grandkids are going to live.
We're very proudly Canadian. So, we're
never going to be the 51st state. And I
I just wish he'd knock that [ __ ] off so
that we can get back to talking about
the things that that we can do as two
separate but but two separate countries
that are actually friends.
>> Did that really have that much of an
effect up there? Like did people take
him seriously?
>> I think at first everyone thought it was
a joke because we've always had these
jokes like you know one day we're going
to take over Vermont and Detroit should
be part of Canada and all that stuff.
But then he kept saying it and saying it
and uh you know it became un it became
uh a lot of people got upset about it
and I think understandably so.
>> Understandably. Yeah. I mean it's a
crazy thing to say.
>> It is a crazy thing to say.
>> I talked to the phone about it. It was
like so funny. It's like at first I was
joking but then people were like it's a
good idea.
>> That's not a good idea.
>> Nobody's saying that. I can assure him
of that. But uh and and and the tariffs
aren't a good idea either. We should get
the tariffs out because there's so much
we could be doing together as neighbors
and partners if we got rid of those
tariffs. Um, you know, the I think what
are the biggest problems in America
today? Affordability, security, and we
can help with both. We knock the tariffs
down. Let's look at affordability. We
got the fourth biggest supply of oil
anywhere on Earth. You guys pay a huge
price discount for our oil because we're
effectively all our infrastructure to
ship it is north south. And it's a very
unique heavy oil. So we accept uh
unfortunately and for now a price
discount on the oil we send you which
can translate into more jobs and
paychecks but also lower energy prices.
You've got $5 a gallon right now in lots
of places in America. Uh you're buying I
want to produce more so we can sell 2
million more barrels of Canadian oil
into the US market. And then there's
there's housing. You've got huge housing
uh pressures on young people. they can't
afford a place to live. We're the
biggest supplier of of lumber for home
building uh of any country that imports
to the United States, exports to the
United States. Uh we've got very low
cost but high quality softwood lumber we
could be shipping or the best truck the
bestselling truck in America for 45
years now is the Ford series. It's
aluminum. It's a it's a militaryra
aluminum body. You guys can't make
enough aluminum here. don't have enough
boxite or electricity to to convert it
into aluminum and aluminum. You get your
your aluminum from us. A tariff does not
bring the production to America. It
raises the price of the aluminum and
therefore the F- series truck. Get rid
of that tariff. You lower taxes. You
lower the cost of an F-ser truck for the
for the miner in Appalachia or the
electrician in Ohio. And and that's just
on the affordability side. There's a lot
we can do with our minerals to make the
continent a hell of a lot safer as well.
So, I think it's in America's interest
to to come towards a a tariff-free deal
and and trade freely as friends and uh
that will be good for both of us.
>> Have you had conversations with Trump
about this?
>> No. I I I believe in the rule of uh one
prime minister at a time. So, I fought
like hell to win. I didn't win. We came
very close. So, I I've said, "Listen,
I'll leave it to the prime minister to
do the negotiating." and I've said I'll
support him anyway I can. Even in my
visit down here, I'm sending him text
messages to tell him what's going on to
try and support his work cuz what we
want we both want what's best for
Canada.
>> Where are your elections now? When do
you have the next elections?
>> That's um this is a a strangely hard
question to answer because
>> I know you have a weird system.
>> Yeah, it's
>> weird in comparison to ours rather.
>> Yours are fixed. Um, as you know, ours,
we have technically fixed election
dates, but they but the government can
fall at any time. It's very simple uh
rule is that if the opposition parties
bind up and they can vote down the
government, that is to say, the majority
of MPs in the House say we've lost
confidence in the government, the
election is now. Or if the prime
minister uh decides he wants an
election, he can call it and the
election is now. But uh he it has to be
sometime in the next roughly 3 years.
>> Oh, so you have a deadline where it has
to take place. Yeah, that's right. So,
>> but it could happen tomorrow.
>> The it wouldn't necessarily be tomorrow,
but like you know in the next few weeks
if there were a non-confidence vote and
they government lost it, then then they
then they go to an election. So, it's
kind of like the British system.
>> Interesting.
>> Yeah. Well, it is the British system
really. We we we adopted the British
system almost identically.
>> So, when you're campaigning, you're
essentially this is like a long game.
>> Yeah. You're you're just laying out your
strategy, laying out what you would do
to make Canada a better place.
>> Yeah. Well, we have two roles. So, I I
said I'm the leader of the opposition,
but I'm also prime minister in waiting.
So, the notion is that the Canadian
people should not only have a
government, but they should have an
alternative. And that alternative has
two functions. Official opposition, it's
actually called that. I think it's a
proper noun, capital O official, capital
Opposition. And also government in
waiting. So you have to be prosecuting
the government, but you have to present
to yourself yourself to people in a way
where they say, "Yeah, that guy or that
team could actually be the government."
Those are the dual roles that I have to
carry out.
>> Interesting. And how long have you been
attempting to become prime minister for?
How long has this been going on for?
>> Uh almost exactly four years because I
launched my campaign in uh February of
2022. Was this something that you had
always had in the back of your mind or
>> I I I I'd say in the back of my mind,
but it wasn't something I was set on.
Like uh I I thought maybe, you know,
when I'm in my 50s or 60s, I would try
it. Uh but I was in no rush to do that.
>> How old are you now?
>> I'm now 46.
>> And so what motivated you to do it?
Well, you know, in after CO uh as CO was
unfolding, it wasn't just the the the CO
policies themselves. It was the economic
policies because I've been very focused
on economics in my parliamentary career.
And I was seeing the size and cost of
government, not just in Canada, but all
around the world growing so much and
that inflation was just destroying the
workingclass people and that it was
going to get a lot worse. And so I I ran
on the platform of making Canada the
freest country on earth. Uh that we had
a a tradition of freedom in Canada. Our
our one of our earliest prime ministers,
Wilfrid Laurier, was asked what's your
what's Canada's nationality. And he
couldn't actually list an ethnicity or a
religion because we were already mixed
up even 100 years ago. We had Scots and
Irish and
>> first peoples. So he said, "Look, yeah,
French, French, most of all French and
English and first first nations." So he
said um
Canada is free and freedom is its
nationality. And I wanted to reinstate
that idea. I wanted it to be the freest
country anywhere on earth. And uh so I
ran on that platform and won the
leadership and then uh ran in the last
election and stayed on after that
election. So that's kind of the the last
four years of my journey. And so the way
your elections work now, so you you're
essentially just stating your case and
going around and talking about what
policies you would implement and how you
would do things differently and just
waiting to see how it all plays out.
>> It's we have um see our our our prime
minister is different than than the
president. He's actually part of the
legislative branch. So he comes in to
the House of Commons and we debate
multiple times a week, he and I. So it's
not just, you know, in your system the
the Republican and Democrat hold like
four debates right before the pre the
election. In our system, we're always
debating. So he comes in, he's on one
side, I come in, I'm on the other side,
and I ask him like six consecutive
questions, and then he answers, and we
go back and forth, and that's called
question period. Then we have these
committees where we prosecute and
propose uh on finance, natural
resources, healthcare, you name it. So
we're constantly prosecuting the
government, also proposing better ideas
at the same time. So like the other day
I proposed to to bring back the auto
pack between Canada and the US to have
tariff-free trade going both ways across
the the border. So that's an example of
how I'm in a position to actually offer
solutions even though I'm not in the
government and then hopefully government
actually steals my ideas and I've been
encouraging them to steal my ideas.
>> So what
>> is this coffee by the way? I need some
caffeine. Yeah, some caffeine there.
>> I'm a terrible caffeine addict.
>> Me too. Cheers.
Cheers.
>> Oh, and shout out to George St. Pierre
for hooking this up.
>> Yes, George is a good man. Great guy. Uh
he uh he said he's going to have me do
some pad work with him at some point.
Really? That's pretty dangerous.
>> Oh, that's awesome. He's here all the
time.
>> He's a fantastic guy.
>> He's the best. He's one of the best
representatives of martial arts you you
could ever hope to meet. He's got
humility. I remember he came to
Parliament Hill uh years ago and I
thought, geez, he's going to be because
he's I thought he'd be cocky and
swagger, but he was so down to earth. So
much humility
>> for what he's accomplished in MMA. I've
I've introduced him to people and they
have no idea who he is. And then I go,
that is one of the greatest fighters
that ever walked the face of the earth.
Absolutely. No way. He's so nice.
>> And that's the Canadian way though. Like
it's softspoken and gentle and kind but
>> tough.
>> Don't don't piss us off.
>> Yeah, but tough.
>> That's where Trump [ __ ] up.
>> I wonder what would have happened if he
didn't go along with that 51st state
nonsense, you know? I mean, that that is
the narrative in this country, like I
said, that if he didn't do that, that
you would have won.
>> Well, you never know. But I I try not to
cry over spilled milk. I focus on what I
have to do and live in the present. Um
but uh but this new guy um
Mealot, have you have you followed him?
Mike Malot.
>> Oh, sure. I know Mike.
>> Yeah. He's going to be fighting in
Winnipeg. I think he's the next GSP.
>> He's very good.
>> You like him?
>> Yeah, he's excellent. Yeah,
>> he did a great job in Montreal if you
saw him there. But maybe
>> Oh, yeah. I've been to many of his
called bunch of his fights. Excellent.
Yeah, he's excellent.
>> Yeah, he's uh my buddy is his trainer,
Crew Crew Allen Hamalg
>> uh in um in Hamilton. He's a Hamilton
steel uh steel town guy and uh anywhere
we're hoping that he has a big win in
Winnipeg. So
>> well you guys have one of the best gyms
in the world, Tristar in Montreal. Is
that right?
>> Fasa Habi who's the
>> if there there's like maybe a handful of
great masterminds in in MMA as far as
coaches and Kas is at the top of the
list.
>> Is that right? And what's his
>> He trained GSP.
>> Is his discipline karate or kickboxing
Muay Thai? I mean, he's I mean, he's a
true mixed martial artist. Black belt
and jiu-jitsu, kickboxing, every I mean,
he can do everything. And he has an
Tristar is a place where a lot of people
from America go up there for their
camps.
>> Interesting.
>> Yeah.
>> I have to drop in and see those guys.
>> Oh, it's phenomenal. I mean, like I
said, GSP trained up there. A lot a lot
of fighters trained up there. And he
also had a great working relationship
with a lot of people in America. So he
would come down and, you know, they
would exchange fighters back and forth
and train with each other.
>> Yeah. Well, we have a great martial arts
tradition in Canada. Um, I don't know if
you know Mike Miles, he brought Muay
Thai from from Thailand to uh Calgary
like back in 7 in the 70s or 80s and he
still got a great gym there. And uh,
>> do you know who Jean Tero is?
>> Yes, he's a buddy of mine. Really? From
Ottawa? Yeah.
>> Oh, no kidding.
>> Yeah, he
>> he was a hero of mine when I was a kid.
>> Yeah, he's incredible. When I was
kickboxing, he was like my idol.
>> Really?
>> Yeah.
>> Does he know that?
>> I never talked to him.
>> Well, he's going to see this.
>> I bought his book.
>> Yeah,
>> I bought his book. I started running
stairs because of his book cuz he was
talking about how it increased his leg
muscles and his kicking power.
>> I remember that. It was in one of his
documentaries or something. He said his
kicks weren't strong enough, so he would
do stairs. But I went and trading at his
dojo a few times. It's in South Ottawa.
>> Uh he was incredible. He was uh he was
one of the truly elite kickboxers of his
time.
>> He he he was a great boxer. Like I know
he he never competed as a boxer, but his
his hands were fantastic. And
>> well, that's really what separated him
from a lot of other people was like his
accuracy and his technique was pristine.
>> He told me that he would spend hours
studying the the distances that your
limbs would have to travel depending on
how you moved. He was kind of uh like a
scientist in the way he learned and
studied and he was all about simplicity
and removing anything unnecessary. Uh I
think Bruce Lee said that he said
simplicity hack away at the unnecessary
>> and uh you know how do you what's the
shortest distance to to hit the strike
>> and um he's got a great he has a really
good heart too you know he had um
>> he has a jiu-jitsu club as well
>> and when I went in there there was a
blind fellow who was into jiu-jitsu
which you can do as a blind person
because it's so much about feel
>> but with co he couldn't do jiu-jitsu
anymore because they they they
disallowed that kind of up close contact
so He actually found a way to train this
guy with focus mitts even though he was
blind. It was really incredible. Oh wow.
>> Yeah. It was just but it it was
incredible amount of patience he had
invested in making sure this this young
man could keep doing his physical
activity throughout co
>> Wait a minute. So they allowed pad work
but they didn't allow jiu-jitsu.
>> I don't know if it was a government
policy or if it was just it was a policy
at the gym because you know you're just
so wrapped up and sweating and I'll le
the gyms in America everybody just
>> just kept going.
>> Kept going. They hid. They would like
put foil over the windows and like hide
or come in through the back door. A lot
of the gyms in LA, that's what they did.
>> They just plowed ahead.
>> They just figured out a way to not get
in trouble and and some people did get
caught and get in trouble and nothing
ever came of it because it's pretty
unconstitutional to tell people that
they can't work out together. Like the
government really didn't have the right
to tell people that they couldn't do
what they wanted to do. That was a legal
thing that you can do. Like all of a
sudden there's this
mandate, there's this law or rule being
passed down or at least it's being
promoted that you're not allowed to go
to a gym and work out with other people.
Like, but those are the healthiest
people. Those are the people that are
least likely to get sick. Like this this
is crazy to say. And you know, if you're
sick and if you just have a good gym
with good people, say, "Hey, don't show
up if you're sick." Everybody should be
okay. These are the people you should
worry about the least.
>> We need to have common sense again. And
uh too many governments in the Western
world have gone way too bossy. They're
just looking for every excuse to boss
people around. And uh that's what we
have to push back again. and it's you
know EV mandates or um you know
excessive uh control of the internet or
um the massive increase in the cost of
government which is really like
appropriating the private voluntary
economy into the coercive government
economy. Uh that's uh that's what we're
seeing across Europe in the UK parts of
the United States as well as uh back
home. So we need to we need to reverse
that trend and get people back in charge
of their lives. Well, the narrative has
always been that
rights lost are never regained or are
very very difficult to regain them. So,
how could you reverse that?
>> Well, you have to keep fighting. I mean,
we did regain uh our rights uh after co
and you know the the people have to look
look at the history of it. How did
>> which rights did you regain?
>> Well, the all the mandates are gone now,
>> of course, but those were ridiculous
anyway.
>> Yeah, they were ridiculous. But uh a lot
>> and they also impeded business. They
they ruined people's lives, social
lives.
>> But freedom has always had to be taken.
Like you go our tradition goes back to
to 1215 with the Magna Carta, the great
charter. And most of the freedoms we
have today were in that original
document. Right to a jury trial, uh no
arrest without charge, no conf comp
confiscation without compensation, no
taxation without representation. All
comes from that one document, the Magna
Carta. And uh it was because King John
was taken aside by the barrens and they
said, "Listen, pal, this is the choice.
Either you sign this and follow it or we
overthrow you." And as a result, we got
the Magna Carta and all of when you guys
had your Boston Tea Party and said, "You
can't tax our tea cuz we don't elect
you." That was an appeal as you were
Englishmen saying I'm not we're
Englishmen. We have the right not to be
taxed unless we vote for it and we're
going to throw you out otherwise. But
that came out of the fields of Runny
Meat in England in 1215. So it's a long
march towards freedom and it's never
actually done. Like there's no permanent
victories or defeats. You just have to
keep going forward.
>> So if you were elected, let's say you
get in right now, what what's one of the
first things you would do?
>> I would unblock our resources. So we
have the most resources of any country
in the world per capita, bar none. We
need to have to make it happen though.
We need to have the fastest permits
anywhere in the world and the lowest
taxes on producing those resources.
We're the fourth in oil, the number
number one in uranium, number one in pot
ash for fertilizer. We have the fifth
biggest supplier of natural gas. We have
um the longest oceanic coastline. Like
we are we have 12 of NATO's
um sorry we have 10 of 12 of NATO's
defined defense minerals. So, you know,
you had that guy Palmer Lucky on. I
don't think he can make his stuff
without Canadian minerals. Maybe I'm
wrong, maybe he'll correct me, but like
night vision technology, you need to
have uh you need to have germanmanium
for that. You need to have ga galium to
make uh semiconductors and radar. You
need to have aluminum for armored
vehicles and uh airplanes. You need
cobalt for heat resistant alloys and
fighter jets. You need tungsten for uh
body, sorry, um uh armor-piercing ammun
ammunition. We have it all. And what I
want to do is unblock those resources,
produce them in abundance for ourselves
and our allies, make, you know, $200,000
paychecks for our trades workers, build
up an enormous strategic stockpile of
it, so that we have tons of leverage in
international relations, and if, god
forbid, there is ever a global conflict,
we would have all the resources
necessary to win it. So uh but we need
to we need to pass we need to get rid of
a lot of laws that are blocking and and
replace them with laws that have fast
permitting so that we can produce this
stuff uh on scale very quickly. So is
the concern the environmental
impact of extracting these things?
>> Is that what's holding it up?
>> That is the
that's the ostensible reason. But I just
think across western the western world
like Europe, UK, parts of the US and
Canada, there's a problem with
bureaucracy just growing way too damn
big. Like, you know, the First Nations
in our country are incredibly
forward-looking. The Squamish built
6,000 units of housing on 10 acres of
land. You can believe it. In a town in a
city of Vancouver where it's very hard
to get a permit to do anything because
it was their land, so they did it.
They're trying to build they're building
now an LG liquefaction plant where they
replaced uh an old 30 mil. They cleaned
it up and put an LG plant there, but the
federal government took a lot of time,
14 years to give them a permit. So, we
need to think like they're thinking,
which is entrepreneurial, speed of
business, get it done quickly. Um,
that's how you develop like we have this
community in my my district. It's called
Hardesty, 600 people. They manage a
hundred billion dollars of oil in a town
of 600 people. Why is it there? because
their municipality offers a permit in
one week with one page. And I wanted to
tell this story. So I called them and I
said, "Can I have someone come and do a
video with me?" And they said, "We don't
have anyone here. We don't have like
bureaucrats that can help you." Like
they're all out on their farms right
now. They come in, they stamp the
permit, and they go back to their farm.
Well, that's why we have a hundred
billion dollars of energy moving through
the area, which is bigger than the GDP
of many countries because they have fast
permits. And that's what we need in
Canada. We need to be the fastest place
to get things done. But don't you think
you need some safeguards to protect the
environment? And how do you balance that
out?
>> Protect it quickly. We can figure out
what what whether a project is damaging
to the environment in weeks and months
rather than decades. Like there's
nothing you're going to learn in year 14
of the review that you couldn't have
learned in in month 14. So there's ways
to protect the environment. when the
Germans So when the Germans had to break
their dependence on Russia after it
invaded Ukraine, they approved an an LNG
import terminal in 60 days. They
completed the whole damn thing in less
than 200 days. And guess what? No
environmental problems. They they got
their engineers to sit down and figure
out how to do it quickly. And that's the
that's the mentality that we need to get
in Canada.
>> So what would you be able to do to
bypass all this bureaucracy? How could
that be done legally?
>> Well, you slim it down to one project,
one environmental review instead of 20
or 30. You have uh a fixed timeline that
the bureaucrats have to give an answer
of 6 months rather than just as long as
they want to drag it on for. Um, and the
other thing I would do is study areas
where they're they're perfectly situated
to have a project like a pipeline or a
mine or an LG export terminal or a port
expansion. And I would pre-permit it. I
would say to our officials, go in,
study, make sure that the environmental
aspects are all in good order. I will
issue a pre-permit and then anybody who
comes along and wants to build it, as
long as they follow the terms and act
responsibly, has a guaranteed permit
before they even apply for it. Uh, and
uh, that I think we would have a roaring
economy if we did that.
>> That sounds awesome. But the the great
fear is that if you do have an impact on
the environment, that impact is often
permanent and that it's devastating. And
I I've seen some of the oil extraction
that they've done up in Alberta. When
you look at the area, it looks like like
scorched earth.
>> No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. It's the
most responsible oil extraction in the
world.
>> But when you when you see these, what is
that one area that often gets
criticized?
>> Fort Mac.
>> Is that what it is?
>> Yeah. It's they're open pit mines. You
you open up a mine, you take out the you
take out the bumen. um you subtract you
you separate the sand from the oil, you
you make it less viscous by putting
diluent in it and and you ship it off
and then after the oil is after the
mining is done, they they resurface it
and you wouldn't even know there was a
mine there
>> and there's no impact to groundwater, no
impact to the environment.
>> I mean, there's an impact no matter what
you do, but at the end of the day, the
people who live there are very healthy
and very happy and they're the strongest
supporters of the expansion of the oil
sands. It's an incredible
>> because economically it's
>> Oh, it's incredible. It's the best
resource in the world. So, it's like uh
there's no decline rate. You guys have
shale here, but you know, as the years
go by, you get less and less out of a
shale uh reservoir. We we have very
little decline. We can keep producing
and producing. Uh we have um what's
called insitu where there's an entire
oil sands operation under your feet. You
could be out in a forest hunting and you
wouldn't even know that under your feet
they're extracting it through a whole
system of pipes where they inject just
steam steam vapor that loosens up the
oil. It sinks down. It goes into another
pipe, comes up to the top and you can
have beautiful pristine nature. The
bears, the the uh the deer, the birds,
they don't even know that there's
extraction happening under their feet.
So, we have the best industry, the most
responsible industry anywhere in the
world. It's been a a really disgusting
PR campaign by extremist
environmentalists and frankly some of
our competitors to try and make our
industry look bad. But it's the best
industry in the world.
>> Yeah, they got me.
>> Yeah,
>> I saw some videos on it and I was like,
"Oh my god, what are they doing to the
ground? What are they doing to the
earth? It looks horrible."
>> They're all It's It's all [ __ ] We
have the
>> It looks horrible.
>> Yeah, but I mean that's just a
superficial look at it. You I'll take
you for a tour in the oil sands. You'll
be amazed. We have the best engineers in
the world. And by the way, the First
Nations people absolutely love it
because it's lifting their people out of
poverty. They're getting enormous job
opportunities out of it. One of our MPs
is a former chief uh where they took uh
18% unemployment, brought it down to
three, balanced their budget. Another
one of my members of parliament in
Northern British Columbia negotiated a
$40 billion LNG plant on his uh on the
Heisla territory. It's completely
eliminating poverty for the First
Nations there. And by exporting clean
Canadian natural gas, which we can
liquefy 25% cheaper because it's cold as
hell in Canada, um they uh actually
displace dirty coal overseas. So instead
of Asia burning coal, they're burning
clean Canadian gas uh that's delivered
by First Nations partnership. So this is
the best way to do it. Makes everybody
richer and makes our entire continent
better off. Well,
>> it seems so simple the way you're laying
it out. I don't understand why this
hasn't been implemented.
Yeah, this is this is the the story of
my life. Uh it's frustrating.
>> Is it that but it's if is it that
simple? Is it really that this is what's
holding everything up? The bureaucracy
and the the time it takes for permits
and
>> Yeah. Like a lot of things. We have the
same thing in housing and and so do you
like if you look at
>> you look California is terrible. Like
why is there such a housing shortage in
California? It's because it takes
forever to get a permit and there's
always bureaucracy standing in the way
and it totally screws over the
workingclass youth who can't find a
place to live because they're not being
built. And uh we have that challenge in
Canada as well. So that's why I proposed
ideas to cut the bureaucracy and the
taxes so that we can build affordable
homes for our youth cuz right now we
have a whole generation that can't
afford homes. And that was one of the
biggest issues I ran on. Home ownership
is necessary for family formation, for
civil peace in society where, you know,
everybody feels like they have a piece
of the pie. Um, we need to expand home
ownership. But to do that, you've got to
get the government gatekeepers out of
the way, speed up the permits, free up
the land, cut the development taxes.
>> So, let's assume that you got in office.
How much time would it take to start
implementing these things? And how
quickly would that impact be felt by the
Canadian people?
>> Look, I think a lot of them could move
very quickly. There's a lot of projects
that are pe that that investors are
sitting on, but they don't have uh
certainty and permits. So, I would
unblock that. And I think in the first
year, you would start to see immediate
benefits uh for the working people who'd
be getting these jobs. Um, some of it
would take more and more like a
medium-term. Like the second thing I
would go after is just the inflationary
spending which is a big problem all over
the western world. Like people just
can't afford to live. I don't know if
you you do do you you encounter that
around here?
>> Oh yeah. Yeah. I mean inflation is crazy
>> and it's I mean the national debt in
America just went up to 39 trillion,
>> right? Which is bigger than your GDP.
>> It's a lot of money. So, so explain this
to me. 50 years ago, a barber and a a
barber and a waitress could buy a house
with a big yard for a dog and raise four
kids, meat and potatoes on the dinner
table every night. And now an accountant
and a lawyer can't do that. Why is that?
>> Well, there's a lot of spending and a
lot of making money. lot of just
turning, you know, just just making
>> dollar bills
>> with nothing behind it, nothing to back
it.
>> This is the biggest fraud perpetrated on
the workingclass people in the last
hundred years.
>> Printing money is just insane. It's just
the the idea you just print more money.
It's like and people go, "Oh, okay."
>> Well, it looks it looks painless at
first, but if you have an economy with
10 apples and $10, it's a buck an apple.
You double the number of dollars to 20,
but you still only have 10 apples. Well,
all of a sudden, it's two bucks an
apple. It's not that the cost of apples
has gone up. It still costs the same
resources to grow the and pick the
apples. Is that the the price has gone
up because the value of the money has
gone down, right?
>> So, in America over the last 55 years,
you've doubled the number of homes in
America from about 70 million to 150
million. You know how much the money
supply has grown? 30 times. So you have
twice the homes but 30 times the cash.
So what's happened? Housing costs have
gone up 15fold in 55 years. And now an
entire generation of kids can't afford
homes. We have exactly the same problem
in Canada. Uh this is the biggest wealth
transfer from the working class to the
the elites from uh I say the h have nots
to the have yachts and Washington and
Wall Street love it by the way because
it inflates the stock market inflates
the bureaucracy. Politicians get to
spend. CEOs get their stocks uh
inflated. Um but it destroys the working
people. And we need to get back to to
hard money. Everything should be getting
cheaper by the way. You know, it takes
80 60 to 80% less resources to grow
food. We grow four times the food on the
same acre, get four times as much milk
from the same cow. We use 80% less water
and fertilizer. So why isn't it that
food is not less expensive? It's because
all of those gains are being erased by
monetary inflation. So it's not that
food is more costly, it's that the
value, the money we use to buy it has
less uh purchasing power. And uh we need
to do what the Swiss do, which is they
don't print money. They have balanced
budgets. They have almost no deficit.
And they have almost zero inflation in
Switzerland. They have the strongest
money in the world, the Swiss Frank. And
uh we would all be better if we operated
like the Swiss when it comes to our
money.
>> So in a real world scenario, it's like
you you take over Canada. How would you
go about implementing this?
>> You got to cut bureaucracy, consultants,
which consume, by the way, $26 billion
of spending.
>> How big is your debt in Canada? uh
1.3ish trillion.
>> Oh, that's baby debt.
>> It's comp compared to you. You guys are
you guys are ridiculous.
>> Wild. But you know, you've gotten away
with it because the dollar the American
dollar is the reserve currency.
>> So all these countries prop up the value
of the US dollar by keeping it on
reserve. Um better hope that doesn't
change.
>> Yeah, better hope.
>> We we we don't have that luxury. And so
uh but we do have a lot of debt and we
have a lot we have provinces too.
They're quite indebted. But um I would
cut the bureaucracy. I would cut uh
consultants, foreign aid. I'd cut way
back on foreign aid. Uh the we give out
corporate welfare, these checks to
corporations. I believe business should
make money rather than take money. So I
would get rid of that. We're giving a
lot of money to fake fake refugees. Um
people who come in and don't uh actually
or they're not actually fleeing danger.
Um like I love real refugees. My wife
was a refugee, but I have no time for
people who are pretending, but they're
not really.
>> And what do you mean by pretending to be
a refugee? How are they doing this?
>> They're not actually endangered in their
home country. So, they've come to be
declared themselves as students and then
wanting to stay, declaring a refugee
status.
>> Oh, and this is common.
>> Yeah, it happens. It happens. And I
mean, they just want to have a better
life. So I don't I don't begrudge them
as people, but we can't we can't spend
money on social service to enhance
social services, advanced programs that
we as Canadians don't get for people who
are not paying into.
>> So you're not opposed to them being
there. You're opposed to them getting
>> I'm opposed to them if if they're not
real refugees, they shouldn't be brought
in as refugees. I think we have to
distinguish between those people who are
actually in danger in their home
country, which is the definition of an a
refugee, and someone who just wants to
come uh in in excess of uh of their
their proper immigration.
>> Is it that common that it's actually
affecting our economy?
>> Right now, it's a challenge because um
we had a big number of international
students and temporary foreign workers
that came in in very large numbers in
like 2 or 3 years. um we were bringing
in about a million people a year which
in in America's terms would be 10
million like just if you're doing per
capita and it really caused a housing
shortage um like some places where you
have 26 of these students living in one
basement. Um so we're trying to unwind
that now
>> and how how do you do that?
>> Well, when their work permit and their
visitor visa runs out, then we have to
encourage them to to head back um
lawfully,
>> right? But you don't want to do it ICE
style.
>> No. No. I don't think we need to do
that. I just think we have to be orderly
and lawful about it.
>> And is that supported by the Canadian
people?
>> Yes. Because we're a very welcoming
country. We're a nation of immigrants,
but we're also a nation of laws. And we
the there's a general consensus like
across the the spectrum in Canada that
there there was the the population
growth was too fast for like four or
five years. And uh so we're we're trying
to unwind that. Now,
>> um what are what are the other things
that you would have to do to drop your
debt and sort of balance your budget and
begin to turn things around?
>> Well, in addition, so I I I like this
idea that actually, believe it or not,
the Clint that Bill Clinton and the
Republicans did in the '9s in the US. It
was called the payo law. It was a very
simple principle. Every time the
administration wanted to bring in a new
dollar of spending, they had to match it
with a dollar of savings. So there was
no extra net spending for like eight
years. And that's when your government
balanced its budget and paid off $400
billion of debt. That law elapsed in
2002.
And immediately after that, America went
back into deficits. And you haven't
emerged. You've been in deficit now for
25 years. This is about internalizing
scarcity. Every creature in the
universe, every bird in the trees, every
fish in the seas has to live with
scarcity, maximizing use of scarce
resources. The only creature who doesn't
do that is the politician because he's
always using someone else's money,
>> right? It's like, oh, I'll just print it
or borrow it or tax it. It's not my
money.
>> And so, they routinely show up to their
cabinet meetings and say, I've got a new
idea. It's $100 million. Where are you
going to get it? I don't know. We'll
print it. We'll borrow it. We'll we'll
tax it. Not my money. But if you had a
law saying you can't actually bring a
proposal to cabinet unless you have
matching savings to pay for it, well
then you'd have these politicians
walking up and down the hallways in
their departments looking for waste and
like rooting it out. So instead of
making the single mom, the senior or the
small business owner live with scarcity,
I want the politicians and bureaucrats
to live with scarcity. And that's what I
would impose by law on my government.
>> Well, it's just a rational way to deal
with the problem. like don't spend money
unless you could save money.
>> Exactly.
>> That's how you balance things out. I
mean, Clinton did balance the budget.
>> He did
>> during his time. And people forget that
because we've always assumed that
there's always been this extraordinary
debt, but that's not the case. During
the 1990s,
>> I mean, it he did a fantastic job at
that.
>> Yeah. They I mean, it was that Congress
was was very disciplined as well, and
the American people just got fed up and
said, "We're not tolerating these
deficits anymore." And and they imposed
scarcity from the center. And by the
way, the economy boomed because the
government was restrained. Then the free
market economy could just roar. And
that's uh another part of the equation,
by the way, is unlock the power of free
enterprise. Like this is the 250th
anniversary, not just of the Declaration
of Independence, but also of Adam
Smith's Wealth of Nations, where he
basically for the first time in human
history described the free market
system. And um that was starting to
flourish in the states and in parts of
Europe. And that system
basically started to come into place
after you know the late 1770s. The
growth since the free market system has
came in come into place in in the world
has been 200 times faster than it was
before because there's is the most
powerful system for generating material
benefit for the people and that's what
we need to restore in Canada. I want to
make it the freest economy in the world.
Well, that all sounds amazing. How the
hell did you lose?
How can a rational person not vote for
that? I mean, you're not saying anything
that's restrictive. You're not saying
anything that is in any way infringing
on people's rights or liberties or It
just sounds like it's all just 100%
positive for Canada.
>> That's what I think. That's that's my
mission and I think it will be positive
and we'll get there, you know. Um,
Canadians do things through evolution,
not revolution. So, I'm just going to
keep pushing my ideas and I think that I
think overwhelmingly we'll we'll win the
next election.
>> Well, it sounds like
I I just can't see how someone would
listen to what you're saying and say I
find fault in this. Other than like the
the potential environmental impact of
extracting resources, I could see how a
lot of the greenies would get like
really upset and get their panties in a
bunch about that and and be very
incredulous to the idea that you're
going to protect the environment while
you're extracting all these resources.
But if you could lay it all out and also
lay out this enormous economic impact
and how it would uplift impoverished
communities, how it would completely
change the economic landscape of the
country,
>> it just only makes sense. That's why I'm
baffled.
>> Well, listen, the people render their
judgment, but I it means I have to do a
better job of uh processing.
>> What were the criticisms of you? like
what did your opponent say that like
people that resonated with people?
>> Um
>> what were they trying to say?
>> It was funny because they all disagreed
with my ideas and they said these are
all very scary ideas.
>> Scary
>> and then they said first of all they
said they said that I had no policies
then they said uh they're scary policies
and then they stole my policies right
before the election. So uh but hey
listen if the government that's in power
now steals all my ideas and does the
things I want to do then I then I've
won. That's why I came here. I didn't
just do it so that I could have the my
name on the door. So, I keep saying to
the prime minister, "Seal my ideas."
>> Right. But he doesn't want to.
>> Well, he uh I I won't criticize him on
foreign soil. We'll uh but uh
>> Good for you.
>> Yeah. I mean, uh we have a mutual
respect.
>> That's such a Canadian thing to do.
>> That is a very Canadian thing to do.
>> So polite, you know,
>> that's what I'm saying about Canadians.
They're so polite. It's funny, your
security guy was talking about the
Canadian standoff of uh, you know, when
you get to a door, you go first. No, you
go first. No, you go first. You could
stay there all day. I actually looked
this up the other day. Ontario actually
has an apology act. It's a law that
defines the apology because we always
say sorry in Canada. So, they wanted to
clarify that sorry is not a legal
admission of guilt. So, like if we get
into a car accident, I say, "Oh, sorry
man. I was terrible at your bumper. It
doesn't mean that I'm guilty."
So, it's actually in law. Even if
somebody else screwed up, you say sorry.
That's funny. That's so Canadian.
>> But you know, the the great thing about
Canada is we've always sorted our [ __ ]
out peacefully. Like the the the the
Protestants and Catholics tore each
other's eyeballs out in Europe for like
hundreds of years. And then we came to
Canada and just got along. And and
that's the great thing about Canada is
like you can come you know Muslims and
Jews, Christians uh and uh uh sorry um
Protestants and Catholics uh Hindus and
Sikhs they come to Canada and they just
get along. They live on the same streets
eventually. We all start intermaring and
uh it's a it's a great thing about
Canada.
>> Well, it really is a great melting pot,
you know.
>> Yeah. And and like folks get to keep
their their cultures like uh at the same
time as uh blending into the Canadian
identity. Like my wife my wife's from
Venezuela and uh so like you know
oftentimes I like I'm I'm in the house
and there's like 16 Latinos and they're
all speaking Spanish. I have no idea
what the hell's going on and uh they
have this food. It's called a jackass.
And I said you know when they start
start cooking this stuff I thought my I
said to my wife did did your mom just
call me a a jackass? Um cuz that's what
it sounded like.
>> I don't speak any Spanish but uh
>> you should probably learn.
>> I should now.
>> They're yapping in your house. It's a
great It's a great uh My kids are
starting to learn Spanish, so I'm going
to be outnumbered.
>> Yeah, you better learn it.
>> Yeah.
>> But
>> um so what else is uh an an issue in
Canada that you would like to fix?
>> Talk to me those napkins. I got a I got
an allergy I'm dealing with.
>> We we got to toughen up our justice
system. Um it it got way too soft.
And uh
>> What's wrong with your justice system?
>> Basically bail. Um I I mean we all
believe in the basic principle that
you're innocent till approve pro proven
guilty. But if someone's convicted has
have like 150 prior convictions and
they're newly arrested on their latest
crime.
>> Yeah.
>> I don't think we should be releasing
them onto the streets. And uh so we got
two lakhs on bail. So there's now a
consensus in Canada that you should have
severe restrictions on repeat offenders.
Like in Vancouver, they had to arrest
the same 40 guys 6,000 times in one
year. 40 guys, 6,000 arrests. So,
they're basically being released within
hours of their latest arrest. So, we're
we're we now built a bipartisan
multipartisan consensus to fix that. And
uh we're pushing to toughen the bail
system um and ensure that it's the
repeat offenders. It's a tiny group. We
don't have a lot of criminals in Canada,
but they do a tremendous amount of
crime. So, if you take them off the
street, you put them in prison, you can
basically reduce the crime rate
dramatically.
>> Well, we probably have more crime
percentage-wise in America, but it's
still a small percentage of the
population that commits the crime. But
it's the same issue. Like in New York
City, it's extraordinary the amount of
people that are repeat offenders. Yeah.
>> And they just let them go. In
California, no cash bail, let them go.
It's like it is bananas. And it doesn't
make any sense and it doesn't make
anybody help. I understand you want to
be empathetic and I understand these
narratives that the prison system is
racist and the justice system is racist
and these people never been given a a
great shake in life. Well, if you want
to fix that, start in these impoverished
neighborhoods, establish community
centers, establish better education,
fund that, but don't let hardened
criminals back on the street when they
>> they're habitual. They've been if you've
been arrested 40, 50 times, it doesn't
seem like you're getting any better. So,
whatever rehabilitation process they
have going on there, that's not working.
So, keep doing the same thing over and
over again. Unless you like crime, I
don't understand why you would do that.
>> This has been, you know, it's imposed by
these so-called experts. They tell, oh,
we've done all these studies that show
that the soft on crime policies work,
but everywhere it been, it's been tried,
it's been an absolute disaster anywhere
in the Western world. We have a town
called Pentictton. There's one guy who
the police can tell by looking at the
the crime rate whether he's been in jail
or not. He comes out of jail. The crime
rate for the entire town of actually
goes up.
>> That's so crazy.
>> But you just keep him in prison though.
>> That seems so simple to solve. It's like
there's so many of these problems with
government that it's just like rational
thinking is one of one of the great
interviews that I loved about you. you
were eating an apple and you were
talking to this guy who was being
completely ridiculous and you were
asking him to define what the the issues
that he had and it was so funny. It was
like this is what happens when a
rational person meets a person with
empty narratives. It was such a weird
moment because
>> you just kept eating that apple.
>> It was such a It was such a good apple.
It was so good. That's the thing. And
the thing is I didn't even realize I was
being taped. I thought it was a print
interview.
>> Oh, that's hilarious.
>> That's why I think I was so relaxed. Uh,
but so I'm in the most beautiful place
in the world. If you ever if you haven't
been to the Okanagan, it's unbelievable.
Like it's lakes, it's mountains, it's
nice dry weather and there's orchards
and vineyards there. Like you'd love it.
And so I'm in an apple orchard and I'm
walking around just talking with people
and my staff says, "This reporter wants
to do an interview and I'm enjoying the
apple." He comes up, starts asking
questions. Nobody who was there thought
this was a moment. Like we'd thought
nothing of it. We dumped the whole
thing. My my staff, unbeknownst to me,
was recording my whole walk. We dumped
this 15-minute video on the internet. No
one noticed it. And like 3 weeks later,
my phone blows up and people say, "Hey,
how about that apple?" I'm like, "What
is he? What are they talking about this
apple thing?" And then, you know, within
3 days, everybody's talking to me about
this damn apple that I had almost
forgotten about eating.
>> So, weird things.
>> That conversation sort of it embodied
this issue. It really did because you
have rational thinking and empty
narratives colliding
>> right
>> while you're eating an apple. Like
you're so casual about it. You're
actually eating an apple. Which was so
perfect. I mean, you couldn't if if you
planned on like if you had a PR team, I
think you should be eating an apple.
They'd be like, "Oo, I like it." So he's
casual. He's eating fruit. It's healthy.
You know,
>> it was totally coincidence. Like out of
nowhere, not planned. And not even
noticed. Like I said, no one there
thought this was going to be a moment.
We just like totally forgot about it.
>> Well, it made it in America. It was
viral in America. And we were like, "How
come that guy's not the prime minister?
What the hell's going on?"
>> Well, in the meantime, you can buy
ambrosio apples from uh the South
Okonagan. I'm really plugging a lot of
uh sales for the Canadian economy today.
>> You know what I found out about Canadian
um maple syrup?
>> What's that?
>> It is actually a superfood and it is
actually better for you than honey. Is
that right?
>> Yeah. It contains a bunch of polyphenols
and a bunch of like healthy nutrients.
>> I always thought maple syrup was just a
guilty pleasure you poured on pancakes.
>> No, it's a totally Canadian thing.
>> It's really good for you.
>> So, you take it before your workout?
>> No. No. I just watched a Instagram video
yesterday. Somebody sent it to me and I
was like, "What is this?"
>> We'll have to send you a bunch of maple
syrup from Canada. I've had a bunch of
>> We actually have a maple syrup reserve
in Canada. Like a reserve of of excess
stockpiles. like a oil reserve.
>> Well, we don't have an oil reserve. This
is something I want to change. I want to
have an oil reserve, but I also want to
keep the maple syrup reserve cuz we're
Canadians after all. There's nothing
more Canadian than that.
>> Well, it's so delicious. I can't believe
it's good for you. Make sure that's
true.
>> I mean, in what way is it true?
>> Uh, are there nutrients? Let's put it
into perplexity. Our sponsored it. I
compared it verse honey. I'll give you
what it showed. That's not saying it's
like better. Maple syrup and honey are
both sugary, but maple syrup is slightly
lower in calories. Glycemic index has
more minerals like magnes
maganese
and calcium. While honey is a bit higher
in calories, has a slightly stronger
impact on blood sugar.
Well, this guy on uh Instagram was very
convincing. I wish I saved it.
>> I think it's convincing. I think you
should go with it.
>> I'm in it.
>> I'm done.
>> Stick with it.
>> Tastes better, too.
>> Yeah, it's the best. It's fantastic. Put
that with a little bit of Greek yogurt.
You get your protein.
>> Oh yeah,
>> that's what I do. Greek yogurt
>> and maple syrup. Maybe start a trend cuz
everybody uses honey on their yogurt.
>> No, maple syrup from Canada. Cuz if it's
not from Canada, it's not the real deal.
>> Well, there's a lot of fake syrup,
right?
>> There's a lot of junk out there. When
you go to a pancake house and they have
that stuff in the little plastic cups,
that's garbage. Yeah. You don't want to
have That's manufactured crap.
>> Well, that's the case with honey as
well. Oh, I had a woman in here once. It
was a beekeeper and she was explaining
to us that a lot of uh honey is not
actually honey. They water it down with
uh corn syrup.
>> There's so much shed in our food these
days.
>> Yes.
>> I I believe in eating clean
>> 100%. Well, I mean that was one of the
primary factors uh for me supporting
this administration was RFK Jr. in this
make America healthy again initiative
because I think you know I had my friend
Brigham Beller yesterday from ways to
well on and you know we hammered this
many times over and over again but
people need to hear it we spend more
money on healthcare and we're sicker
than we've ever been before and we have
more chronic illness and we have more
money none of it makes any sense it's
completely ridiculous and it's obvious
that people are eating the wrong things
and there was so much outrage of him
implementing all these healthy choices
and trying to get rid of dyes that are
illegal in Canada. Like the same cereals
that the same factory sells in Canada,
they sell with natural dyes and in
America we demand them to be more
colorful so we put poison in them.
>> Really?
>> Yeah.
>> Is that No, you know what what are the
uh what do you think are the dietary
habits that are making people in the
western world sick right now? Like is it
the dyes? Is it the sugars? Is it the
carbs? Like what what's getting people
in?
>> There's a lot of things. First of all,
it's processed foods. Processed foods is
a an enormous percentage of a lot of
Americans diets.
>> Things with massive amounts of
preservatives in them. And that that's
like if you want like a general
guideline, eat real food. Eat real eggs,
real vegetables, real meat, real fish.
You'll be healthier. Yeah. As soon as
you start having things that can sit on
a shelf forever, except things like rice
and you know normal beans, like things
that are dried, that makes sense. They
could sit there. But if something can
just sit on a shelf for a long period of
time and you consume it, how is it just
not rotting? Like I'm sure you've seen
where they've taken a McDonald's Big Mac
and they've just let it sit, take a
cheeseburger in a box and the guy pulls
it out like 10 years later. It looks
exactly the same. That's not food.
>> The bacteria didn't want to eat it. They
looked at it and they were like, "I'm
not eating that."
>> If bacteria doesn't eat it, if mold
doesn't eat it, that's crazy. Why are
you eating it? Like, there's something
in it preventing the mold from growing.
What is that? Well, that stuff [ __ ]
with your gut bacteria. It's it's
terrible for your body. And empty
calories. And we we consume an enormous
amount of processed food in this
country. And if you want to be a
healthier person, eat real fruit, eat
real food, eat real vegetables, eat real
meat. It's that simple. just that that
would fix 90% of our problems when it
comes to people's diets.
>> And we like when my uh my wife once
looked at some of the baby formula we
had and she said she looked on it, she
said, "There's no expiry date on this.
This never goes bad."
>> That's crazy.
>> That can't be that can't be a good
thing,
>> right? Meanwhile, breast milk you have
to freeze, right?
>> Exactly. So, uh and then what about on
the like the fitness side? What do you
think we can do? I mean, beyond you
you've done a lot just talking about it
with your the size of your audience,
you've probably got a lot of people off
the couch, but what policies do you
think we could push that would get
people physically active, working out,
moving again?
>> Well, the real important thing is
community. The the easiest way to get
fit is to to get around a bunch of other
people that are also involved in the
same endeavor, right? If you have a
bunch of friends that are unhappy with
the way their life is, like just go walk
together. say, "Hey guys, let's all go
for a walk after dinner together, right?
Let's all decide like as a neighborhood
to go walk. Just walk for a half an hour
after your meals. It'll lower your
glycemic index. It'll change your body.
It'll make you healthier. You'll feel
better.
>> You know, it it just does so much for
you, just movement and activity. And if
you're involved with a group of people
that are also inclined in the same
direction, they're also trying to get
better, trying to get fit, then you kind
of you're, you know, you feed off of
your atmosphere. People imitate the
people that are around them and you get
support from the people that are around
them. You know, make it a little healthy
competition. you know, who can, you
know, do the most exercise and who can
do the most, you know, what whatever it
is, like whether it's a sport or whether
it's a game or whether it's just
something that you enjoy doing that's
physically
physically taxing slightly. It doesn't
have to be a crazy kettle bell workout
or a jiu-jitsu class. Just take a just
take a walk. just just the if the world
if the United States or Canada or
anybody that's got problems with their
health, just decided to start walking,
right, every day for 20 minutes, it'll
change your life.
>> Absolutely.
>> And then add things to it. Add some body
weight squats, add some push-ups, skip a
little rope, do something, take a yoga
class. It'll change your life,
>> right?
>> Just absolutely.
>> You need activity. The human body has
needs. And when it doesn't, those needs
are not met and you don't your
biological requirements aren't met, you
get develop anxiety, you get overweight,
your your muscles atrophy, your bone
density decreases, you can't open up a
jar anymore. There's all these problems
that can be solved with just simple
movement and activity. You don't have to
become a fitness nut. You don't have to
become a gym rat. You just do something
and that alone. And then change what you
eat. Drink more water. Stop drinking
soda. Stop stop stop drinking so much
alcohol. You know, stop eating processed
food. If we just slowly but surely get
this in people's heads. For the longest
time, people didn't think there was
anything wrong with eating processed
food. They didn't think there was
anything wrong with they thought sugar
just gave you extra calories. That's it.
They didn't realize the catastrophic
health consequences of consuming all
this sugar, the increase in type 2
diabetes, all these problems that are
people are having that people are having
because of poor diets and lack of
>> what's your theory though on how that h
why did that happen? Why did wh what
caused millions of people to shift their
diets away from good wholesome real food
towards the processed garbage?
>> Well, first of all, marketing, right? Um
and availability, right? the the the
they always say the center of the
grocery store is what you should avoid
because the center is all the stuff that
doesn't need to be refrigerated, right?
Everything on the outskirts, all the
vegetables and the fruit and the meats
and the milk, that's all the stuff
that's healthy because it has to be
refrigerated because if it's not, it
goes bad. Things that can just sit on a
shelf, but things that sit on a shelf
forever, those are the things that are
the easiest to profit from because you
don't have to worry about storage. you
don't have to worry about refrigeration
when you're processing or when you're
moving them and transporting them. You
know, just education is the most
important thing because there's a lot of
people that don't know how much their
diet impacts them. And then there's also
the problems that happen in this country
where the sugar industry literally bribe
scientists to pass the blame on
saturated fat and pretend that this was
the cause of all these heart issues that
people were having and all the obesity
that it was just fat. So then people
started eating all these seed oil rich
foods like mayonnaise or excuse me like
margarine and you know and corn oil and
canola oil all this
>> when it's better just to have tallow or
butter.
>> Yes. It's like natural food. Your body
knows what to do with it.
>> Yeah. And beef is like a superfood. A
nice fatty piece of beef. Best thing you
can eat.
>> It's so good for you.
>> You got iron, you've got fat, you've got
protein and creatine. It's all packed
into that one superfood. It is. And
people, there's a lot of people that
live very healthily off a carnivore
diet. And that astounds people. They
don't understand it because they've been
pushed into this idea. Well, one of the
things they did in America that's great
is they reversed the food pyramid. Our
food pyramid was all grains at the
bottom. Was all wheat and grains, which
is like there's nothing wrong with
eating that as long as you're being
smart about it. You don't eat too much
of it. But if that's your primary diet,
like guess what? Your insulin's going to
spike. You're going to be hungry all the
time. you're going to get fat. It's just
not good. It's not good to eat.
>> When I cut the carbs out and I went
basically uh into ketosis, um I felt
great because instead of having all the
ups and downs when my blood sugar was
down,
>> when you're in ketosis, you um you
basically live off your fat stores. Yes.
>> You have like a a consistent flow of
energy whenever you need it because and
I've obviously I've got some here and
and so uh I I feel lighter. I I have to
sleep less now. I don't have to sleep as
much because I don't I don't eat the big
heavy carbs any I cheat once in a while,
but but the big heavy carbs that your
body breaks down, you gota you got to
sleep more to work through all those
heavy carbs. So,
>> you feel it when you eat them. I love
carbs, don't get me wrong. Like, I love
I'm Italian. I love spaghetti. I love
pizza. I love Italian subs. I love them.
But I eat them sparingly. And when I eat
them, I feel it. I feel it. Like, it's
amazing while you're eating it. And then
you're like,
>> you got hit with a tranquilizer dart.
It's just not good. It's not good for
you. If I eat a steak, I feel great. If
I eat a steak, I don't feel
I don't feel in any way tired after I'm
done. I don't feel exhausted, like
completely full. Also, they have a high
satiety rate. Like, if you eat just
steak, you're only going to eat what you
need. Like this, your body knows when to
stop. But if there's mashed potatoes
next to this steak and spaghetti next to
this steak and bread and all these other
things, you're just going to keep
eating. and cake and butter and ice or
not butter, but like cake and ice cream
and all this other you're going to keep
eating and you're going to consume
excess calories.
>> But beef is really expensive now. Like
it's really hard to put a steak on your
plate. Uh these for the average guy,
it's it's insane. It's twice as
expensive of pork in Canada right now.
>> Well, there's also this dumb narrative
that cows are responsible for climate
change, which is just absolutely insane.
And whoever started promoting that needs
to go to jail cuz it's you've done a
terrible disservice to people,
especially regenerative farming. That's,
you know, actually sequesters carbon.
>> Absolutely.
>> And it's it's healthy for you.
>> No, the the farming the ranchers in my
area are fantastic. They produce an
incredible product. We've got the the
the North America has the smallest
cattle herd since 1951 this year.
>> That's nuts.
>> Very small herd. And that's why it's so
hard to get beef.
>> Why is that? What? Um I think uh I think
there's been a demand spike in the last
couple of years. Um beef prices were low
for long. So a lot of ranchers got out
of it. They just said we can't I can't
stay in this business losing money every
year. And then all of a sudden prices
started to go up and uh and moods have
changed a lot on beef even in the last 3
four years. So now they're trying to
keep up with the demand. But um I'd like
I'm happy to see the the ranchers doing
well, but I'd sure like to see middle
class families to be able to afford to
have beef again. Um but you know, back
my theory on one of the reasons why the
marketing has shifted towards all this
processed crap, and this goes back to my
obsession, which is inflation. Because
what instead of just raising the prices,
they downgrade the quality of the food.
They strip out the nutrients and they
inject garbage into our food. uh the the
the companies do that is ultimately less
nutritious, but it the price tag doesn't
necessarily look like it's changing. So,
it's one of the more insidious ways that
the the system is able to charge you to
to to pass inflationary costs on without
you seeing it in that the price tag
that's underneath the product.
>> They also engineer food to be
compulsive, like you're more compulsive
to overeat. Yeah, sure. Especially like
chips and stuff like that. America,
>> what country do you think does nutrition
the best around the world?
>> Well, that's a good question. Um, well,
Japan has one of the lowest obesity
rates, right? And when you look at
Japanese food, like what is it? It's
like fish and rice and vegetables and
it's it's they don't use glyphosate, I
don't think. I think I think the way
they process their wheat is very
different than ours. you know, we have
uh higher glycem we we have higher
gluten in our wheat because so like we
have more complex glutens in our wheat,
so we have higher yield and then on top
of that they dry all the wheat out with
glyphosate at the end which is [ __ ]
terrible for you.
>> Interesting.
>> And they were trying to ban that in
America, but then Trump passed an
executive order u stopping it. So this
is one of the things that Kennedy kind
of ran on is that he wanted to stop the
ubiquitous use of glyphosate.
>> Okay?
>> And especially glyphosate, you know,
used with wheat to dry it out. So it's
not used uh as an herbicide. It's used
to dry out the wheat at the end so that
it doesn't get moldy,
>> which is crazy. You're spraying poison
on wheat. And most Americans, if you
test them, have glyphosate in their
blood, you know, and the apologists will
say, "Oh, but it's at safe levels."
Well, we don't even really know what
that means. You We're talking about
decades and decades of of consuming this
stuff. That can't be good. I mean, it
literally kills plants. It it destroys
gut bacteria. It can't be good. It would
would be better. When you eat overseas,
like if I eat pasta or bread in in
Italy, it you feel better. It doesn't
kill you like it does in America. It
doesn't like you don't get that same
feeling.
>> Interesting. I didn't know I don't know
anything about glyphosate, but um one of
the things I
>> Do you guys use glyphosate in Canada?
>> I don't know anything about it. I I feel
bad saying that, but I should do my
homework on that one. I
>> We have corn that's engineered to
survive glyphosate. We have Roundup
ready corn. So So that you could spray
glyphosate on the corn that kills all
the other things that you don't want
growing.
>> Okay. But how is that how can that be
good? Like most like they they did a
test of uh California wines and what was
the number? It was like some
preposterous number of California wines
tested positive for glyphosate.
>> In the high 90s, I think.
>> Okay.
>> Which is just nuts.
>> Yeah. I don't know anything about
glyphosate. I have to admit my research.
You've piqued my curiosity. The problem
is in America, our food system is
entirely dependent on it at this point.
You know, they want to change it. And so
there's a lot of strategies. One of them
is there they they have these machines
that use lasers. And these lasers go
over a field and actually target the
weeds. So instead of spraying poison on
them, they just zap these weeds and they
can identify the difference between the
weed and the crop.
>> Really?
>> Yeah.
>> That's incredible.
>> Yeah. The wine was 10 out of 10 tested,
but this
>> 10 out of 10.
>> I was looking at the Japanese obesity
thing. They have an interesting law that
they put in place in 2008 where I
believe it says workplaces have to
measure people's waists of adults over
40 to find out if they're potentially
overweight.
>> Wow.
>> Those people don't get fined. The
companies get fined. So, they have to
then provide them counseling, diet
advice, exercise guidance, etc.
>> Wow.
>> And they also use a lower BMI than we
do. There theirs starts at 25. It says
it's because they have a higher risk in
Asian populations for
uh obesity.
>> Interesting. I wonder why that is.
>> I wonder if that's because of a lot of
rice consumption.
>> Way lower. 46 4 to 6% compared to 42%.
>> Wow, that's crazy. Their obesity rates
are 4 to 6%. And we're 42.
42 is nuts. 42 is so crazy.
>> Try to find out what the Japanese are
doing. My next stop has got to be Tokyo.
>> Yeah. Well, they eat healthy food, you
know, and and that but that does make
sense. I mean, implementing something
like that, it sounds very restrictive,
you know? I mean, I don't want to tell a
guy he can't have a gut. Like, I I have
a lot of friends that are fat and I love
them to death. I'd like them to be
healthy, but I wouldn't, you know, I
don't believe you should have that kind
of control over people. I think you
should encourage healthy behavior. I
don't think you should mandate it.
>> Yeah, we need we need carrots, not
sticks. Carrots literally.
>> Literally.
>> But the the system is like um you know,
I think of the opioid thing. That's an
incredible story. Really?
>> That's a horrible story. That's a
horrible story. And you know, the fact
that no one's going to jail for that is
infuriating. what they did and what the
the deception that they use to pretend
that that stuff is not addictive, that
it's not the same as heroin is just
absolutely atrocious. And the fact that
they got away with it and that the
Sackler family, just that one family, I
don't know if you ever seen the Netflix
docky drama series. Yeah.
>> Painkiller or what was it? Was it called
Painkiller?
>> They're the guys from Purdue, right?
>> Purdue Pharma. I think they were Purdue
Pharma if I'm not mistaken. I mean, how
many lives were destroyed by that?
>> Well, a half a million ended in the US.
>> Yeah. At least
>> 50,000 in Canada. We lo we lost more
people in the last 10 years to opioid
overdoses than we lost fighting in the
Second World War.
>> And God, that's so crazy. And we, you
know, these companies, I mean, it
started in the states with Purdue and uh
a number of others where they basically
started lying to the system and paying
they actually paid bonuses to
distributors for every overdose they
caused. They tracked the overdoses and
then paid bonuses to distributors
because that was an indicator of how
successfully they were pushing the drugs
onto doctors and pharmacists and the
system. This all came all came out in
the in the court uh because there was a
huge lawsuit
>> and they the companies had to pay $50
billion because of an American
government lawsuit against them, but
they actually paid bonuses for overdose
rates.
>> That's true.
>> That's insane.
>> It's wild. And they they basically they
were very very strategic. They said,
"We're going to go to workingclass
neighborhoods where there's huge
unemployment." So, you know, in the rust
belt of America where people were out of
work and they obviously had some minor
industrial injuries and said, you know,
this will solve every ache and pain.
Take Oxycontton. And it felt great when
they first started taking it. And then
it spread into Canada as well. And then
it mutated in from Oxycontton into
fentinyl, which is 100 times more
powerful than heroin. It can stop your
your lungs in 15 seconds. Just
absolutely deadly. And uh we you know
these companies these dirt bag companies
should be paying uh hundreds of billions
of dollars to cover the treatment and
recovery of the people whose lives have
been ruined by this.
>> Well, it's just insane that they only
had to pay a percentage of the amount of
money that they profited.
>> And
>> it is insane. They should have gone to
jail.
>> They should have gone to jail. They
should have had to pay first of all give
all the money back.
>> Yeah.
>> I mean what you did was unbelievably
evil. Absolutely.
>> And you were allowed to profit from it,
which is crazy.
>> Even the Sackler family, the amount that
they got fined was a small percentage of
what they actually made.
>> I don't know how people live with
themselves when they do that.
>> They're sociopaths. They have to be.
>> They basically got into the entire
system, the health care system, the
medical accum community, and they pushed
these over prescriptions. Um, and then
they got this crazy idea that they
pushed in places like Portland and
Seattle and San Francisco that the
government should start giving out
opioids that are safer than the ones
that are on the street as an alternative
to keep people from having contaminated
drugs, which made the problem even worse
because those the the addicts would sell
those to kids so that they could buy the
harder stuff off the street and it
expanded it even more. And um so one of
the things we're focused on in my plan
is is massive treatment and recovery
programs to get people off drugs.
Abstinence-based treatment is
incredible. It gets very successful and
uh we're saving lives now in Canada. You
get them in, you get them counseling,
group therapy treatment, uh sweat lodges
for First Nations, uh people's um
physical exercise is a big part of it. I
went to one treatment center in
Saskatchewan and they actually bought
these rusted out weights and they had
they had the guys like lifting weights
and the bureaucrats are saying, "Well,
why are you spending my money on
weights? What does that have to do with
it?" He says, "What's then the best
thing we had?" These guys started to see
their biceps grow and they're like, "I
want to look like this and if I take
drugs, I'm not going to look like this."
So, it was one of the the best things
they did. Um, then you get them into
jobs and treatment and uh there's one
guy that uh I met in BC, he he was going
to kill himself. He drove his car into a
brick wall because he was so ruined by
his addiction, but he didn't die. He
couldn't even pull it off. So, he
actually went into treatment, turned his
life around, started a business. He's
got six employees, and now he's going
out on the street and like helping, you
know, pulling guys off the street and
bringing them in and saving their lives.
So, uh it's actually a really hopeful
ending to the story if we can get to
shift all our resources over to
treatment and recovery services, which
is one of my big uh objectives.
>> Are you aware of Ibagane? No.
>> So, former Republican governor of Texas
Rick Perry is involved in this Ibegan
initiative here in Texas. And one of the
things that they found, you know, he
works very closely with veterans and uh,
you know, obviously a lot of these guys,
they come back from the war, they have
PTSD, they have a lot of pain, they get
addicted to pills, and then they have an
incredibly difficult time getting off of
it. And there's a treatment called
Ibagane. And Ibagane comes from the
aboga tree. It's uh like a natural
psychedelic that has no recreational
use whatsoever. It's not fun and it's
it's apparently a brutal 24-hour
experience, but it rewires the brain,
stops the pathways of addiction. And
just one I gain treatment, one session,
the amount of people that never go back
to using those drugs is in the 80%.
>> Really?
>> When they do two sessions, it's in the
'9s.
>> Wow.
>> It's incredible. So, they're
implementing it here. And Rick Perry,
who was like a staunch anti-drug
hardline Republican guy, great guy, but
realized from talking to these veterans,
>> maybe you have to have an open mind and
look at this. We have this blanket term
that we use for drugs and we say, "Oh, I
gain a drug. You don't want to take
drugs." But this psychedelic, this
Ibagane, apparently it it's like a
24-hour review of your life that in some
way, some chemical way, rewires your
system and stops the pathways of
addiction.
>> It's like a factory reset.
>> Yes.
>> Wow.
>> Yes.
>> That's crazy.
>> And so they're starting to implement it
here in Texas and they're going to use
it.
>> So they studied this or they've done
like a And they've done is it approved
like as a treatment or what? Well, it's
being approved here in Texas and they're
trying to do it in other places. And I
know uh a friend of mine, my friend Ed
Clay, he started a center down in
Mexico. And the reason why he did it was
because he got hooked on pills. He hurt
his back. He got hooked on pills. He had
to figure out how to get off of it. And
he did one ibagane session, got clean
really
>> and was like, I need to educate people
and help people with this. And we start
this system
>> and you know, and it's very successful.
I know multiple people that have done it
and especially veterans that have done
it and had profound changes in their
life because of this.
>> Amazing.
>> Yeah. And again, there's no recreational
use for this. There's no chance of
abusing it. Okay.
>> It's not fun. Like to get people to do
it twice is very hard. Okay.
>> But even doing it once, but if you do
it, it's incredibly effective. Much more
effective than any other form of
therapy.
>> Really? Yes.
>> Okay. Well, I'll have to look out for
that one cuz we need it. We still have a
challenge up in Canada.
>> I can connect you with Rick Perry and
he's he's him and Brian Hubbert are
incredible with their the advocacy and
the the promotion of this what they've
done is really amazing.
>> Yeah, we got to we got to get uh get
people off these drugs and uh you know
we're we're doing we're making some good
progress in Canada. Um our biggest
challenges are are just the long-term
aftermath of the opioid uh problem like
you have had down here. But um but like
I think uh I think we can overcome it
and uh we have to try some new things in
order to get people off these things cuz
they're because it's when you're doing
fentinol it's it's Russian roulette. It
could be you might not have more than a
day to live if you're still taking that
stuff. So
>> it's so dangerous.
>> It's in everything. It's in so many
different um street versions of pills
that people think are safe like Xanax.
There's like illegal Xanax like street
Xanax and there's fentinyl in them.
People take it and they die.
>> Right. Absolutely. I've met so many
mothers. They just come up to me at my
rallies and things and they tell me the
story and they show me a picture and you
say, "Man, it's a beautiful child. That
child looks healthy and smart and she
went to a party and they were handing
the [ __ ] out." And
>> there's a high school kid here in town
that took uh street aderall and it had
fentinel in it and he died.
>> Is that right?
>> Yeah. Somebody sold them what he thought
was aderall. Look, that's what killed
Prince. That's what killed Tom Petty.
>> Aderal.
>> No. No. Fentinel. Fentinyl.
>> They got street drugs from someone like
they're both in pain and they they
become addicted to the pills and then
they got like a pill from a roadie.
>> I didn't know that.
>> And took it and died.
>> I didn't know that. Petty, did he sing
uh Last Dance?
>> Last Dance for Mary Jane. Yeah.
>> Right. That's really sad.
>> Oh, he sung a bunch of amazing songs.
American Girl. I mean, Tom Petty was a
legend and died because of fentanyl.
Prince is one of the great musical
genius of of human history.
>> And fentanyl got him too. died from
fentanyl. He had hip pain. He needed a
hip replacement. His hip was blown out
and he was in agony all the time. So, he
started taking pills and then next thing
you know, you're hooked.
>> I've had family members that got hooked
on it.
>> Is that right? Did they get through it?
>> Well, one of them didn't. Yeah. I mean,
he he hurt his back doing construction
and started taking pills and now he's a
waste.
>> That's the sad thing. That's the sad
thing is it's they're good people and
they're not lawbreaking people. Often
it's folks who work in physically
demanding jobs, they get an injury
>> and uh it's easy to judge, but when
you're in excruciating pain and you find
something that makes it go away, it's
understandable.
>> Also, if you're not educated in these
subjects and you just trust the doctor,
you go to a doctor and the doctor says
you need pain medication and then all of
a sudden you're on it.
>> You know,
>> it's it's easy to see how people get
locked into that and and then they can't
break loose. So, The pathway to physical
addiction is it's so well known and
studied. It's very very addictive, which
is why it's so horrific that they
actually promoted the fact that these
things are not addictive when they were
promoting them.
>> No, they knew exactly what they were
doing. They were absolute crooks. And
I'm hoping we get big settlements out of
them the way you did down here. And I
want to put all that money into
treatment and recovery. Get people off
these drugs and rescue them. I think we
can save these lives. The treatment, it
works. It It's tough. Like the people
who go through it, they say it's it was
the worst experience of my life to go
through that withdrawal, but it can be
done and you come out stronger on the
other side.
>> It can be done. And and I think the most
important thing is prevention and and
education and letting kids know like,
hey, this is not what you want to get
involved with. You want to have a happy,
successful life, this is going to stop
that. This is going to keep you from
having this might kill you and it's
definitely going to ruin you.
>> Yeah. But you're right about fitness
though cuz when I was young I I I hung
around with a lot of people who got into
a lot of trouble and I could have ended
up there. The reason I didn't frankly is
sports. So I I had something else to
drive me. So it's one of the reasons why
we need to get our young people active
in sporting activities when they're in
that age group because if you're not
giving them an outlet then they'll end
up down that scary path.
>> Oh 100%. And also you realize that if
you want to be effective in sports like
you can't party. It's like it'll rob you
of your vitality.
you of your performance.
>> No, I when I played hockey and I I
showed up a few times hung over and I
was just [ __ ] Like I was terrible. But
uh you learned pretty quick that you got
to be on your game. So we've got to
promote more of the fitness at the at
the youth level as well. And um and is
that happening here? It's funny. I
remember when I came down here um as a
16-year-old. I haven't been here in 30
years. Um, I uh we we got into town and
the people who were hosting us uh were
driving us to their home and we saw this
stadium and there's like 20,000 people
and it was in Houston and I said, "Is
that the Cowboys playing?" And they
said, "No, no, that's that's a high
school league." It's like, "Oh, okay. In
Canada, we don't have high school
leagues with 20,000 people coming out."
>> But um but the sports are so massive
here.
>> Oh, football is gigantic here. It's a
religion. Yeah, it's incredible.
>> Crazy. And
>> who do you cheer for, by the way?
>> In in Texas.
>> Yeah. You personally?
>> Well, I I've got into UT football.
>> Okay.
>> I really love uh going to the UT games.
It's uh it's so fun and it's so they're
so enthusiastic and they they just love
it. It's like when you're a part of it,
when the touchdowns get scored and
everybody's cheering, it's like it's
it's so contagious, right? It's really
amazing. And it's just like the
enthusiasm they have for it. It's like
you're like, "Wow." Like, "This is a
great these people love this here." But
I've I've been to high school football
games and it's the same thing. Like pack
stadiums for high school football games
and you're like, "This is nuts, man.
These people love their sports."
>> We're like that for hockey in Canada.
Oh, yeah. It is serious. Serious. Like
parents are very fixated. And I think I
think it's actually a good thing. Some
people say, "Oh, it's terrible." I think
it's great to have parents that are
competitive because they're pushing
their kids to be better and more
excellent. And even if they don't end up
as NHL hockey players, it gives them the
comp competitive ed. And I want us to be
a more competitive society.
>> Well, when I was a kid, I I worked at
the Boston Athletic Club. Um and uh one
of the people that I I was a fitness
instructor when I was 19, and one of the
people that I worked with was Bobby
Orur.
>> Oh, really?
>> Yeah. Bobby or used to come there and
train him. We used to have to help him
get on the Versa Climber machine because
his body was so wrecked. Really?
>> He had so many surgeries. His knees were
so destroyed. He had scars all up and
down his knee because he he had knee
surgery back when they were just
experimenting. You know, they didn't
really know how to fix knees. They just
cut you open, screwed things back
together again, and then it would blow
apart again, and then you'd wind up
having another surgery. So, he had many,
many knee surgeries, and he could barely
walk,
>> but he was still doing some kind of
physical activity.
>> Yeah, he was playing raetball. He was
>> How old was he at the time?
This was 1986.
So I mean
>> geez that's like what 40 years ago now?
>> Uhhuh. Yeah. So he was
you know he was probably in his 50s 40s
or 50s. He was but he was he could
barely walk. I mean he his knees didn't
straighten out
>> really.
>> They they were always like slightly bent
and they only bent that much. His range
of motion was very small. So you had to
help him like get on machines. but the
nicest guy and a legend. Like you
couldn't believe he was really there.
>> Like he he would walk into the the gym
and you're like, "Oh my god, really?" As
I was 19, I never met a famous person
and I was like, "That's Bobby or
>> absolutely
>> this is nuts." But it also made me
realize like, boy, knee surgery is no
joke. Like this guy was like an
incredible athlete and now he can't even
straighten his leg out.
>> Yeah. It's all temporary. You got to
take care of yourself.
>> Yes. Do you do you have like residual
injuries from fighting back in in the
day?
>> Oh yeah. Yeah. I've had three knee
surgeries, two reconstructions.
>> Was that from taekwond do?
>> Yeah. And jiu-jitsu. One of one of my
ACL injuries was from uh jiu-jitsu.
>> And what uh like what injuries are the
most common in jiu-jitsu?
>> Knees, backs, necks, shoulders. Those
are the big ones. Elbows.
>> Is that because of the the arm bars and
all that stuff?
>> Yeah. Not tapping. That's a big one. A
lot of a lot of guys get hurt just
because their ego because they don't
want to tap.
>> And you don't you don't strike me as the
type of guy who taps very quickly.
>> Well, when I was younger, I was really
stupid and I I wasn't into tapping.
>> Right.
>> But, uh, as I got older, I got a lot
smarter. Fortunately, I got a lot
better. So, I wasn't like in a situation
where I had to tap a lot, but if I did,
I did. I just tapped. And that's the
smart thing to do. And I would tell
people, treat it like you're playing
basketball. Don't treat it like it's
your life or death. The game is life or
death. The game is if a guy gets you in
an arm bar, he's essentially breaking
your arm. If he breaks your arm, he can
kill you, right?
>> That's the game. But don't treat it like
that. Treat it like you can tap and keep
going. Or you can not tap and your arm's
going to be destroyed maybe for the rest
of your life.
>> Right.
>> And I've seen that happen with people
where they're their forearm snaps and
they have to have plates in it and then
it's a chronic injury for the rest of
their life.
>> Right. Yeah. No, I can imagine that. And
what about in in taekwond do like you
you told the story once about how you
really clocked a guy. I think it was a
real kick or something
>> and that like freaked you out.
>> That changed my whole outlook on
fighting because I realized that could
happen to me. And I I had knocked people
out before, but I'd never knocked
anybody out where they didn't get up.
Like usually they get up and they're
wobbly and you know they get sat down
and the you know medics take care of
them and you know after a while they're
walking around and this guy never got up
and I never really got over that. I
never had the same u lust for hurting
people cuz it was just I was young you
know I was 19 and when you're 19 you
think you're invincible or you don't you
don't think about the consequ I knew I
could get hurt. I've been hurt before.
I'd been kicked really hard and punched
really hard before. I knew I was
vulnerable, but I didn't think there
would going to be anything permanent.
>> Did the guy ever get out of the
hospital?
>> I don't know. Really?
>> I don't know what happened to him.
>> Well, maybe
>> I don't know what happened to him.
>> Maybe he'll hear the show and give you a
call and say that he's all right.
>> Oh, no. No. He probably don't want to
talk to me.
>> Well, your your spinning back kick is
incredible. I saw you and GSP doing that
uh video where you were showing him how
to do the back kick. Yeah.
>> Did he ever use that in a fight?
>> Yeah, he did. Yeah, he did. He landed
it.
>> Yeah, he used it a lot. It's a thing
that like
>> it you have to almost grow up doing it,
>> right?
>> You know, unless you're deal like Jon
Jones developed it later in his career.
>> I saw that he wizard, but he kind of
like started implementing it uh like
like sort of three two/3 through through
his career. Did you teach him how to do
that?
>> No. No, I did not. He worked with a taco
with no coach in Albuquerque.
>> Okay. and uh he just really worked on
that one technique specifically when he
went up to heavyweight because the guys
would be first of all less agile and
mobile and also it was the kind of
technique where he could stop a guy with
one shot right
>> and when you're a guy who's smaller than
most heavyweights which John is because
he was a light heavyweight so he was
fighting at 205 most of his career and
just as a challenge decided to go up to
heavyweight but he's so intelligent he
realized like I need a one shot that I
could put people away so he spent hours
and hours every week just going over the
spinning back kick.
>> Really? To the body or the head?
>> Yeah, the body.
>> The body.
>> Yeah. It's like getting hit by a car,
>> right? You with that sp like a wheel
kick to the head is really difficult to
develop. That's It's like a fast twitch
thing that it's almost like your body
has to evolve and grow doing that to
really develop the kind of speed that
you could pull it off on a skilled
opponent in a fight. the accuracy like
to try and time that all that must be
incredible.
>> I mean there's there's there's freak
athletes that could pick it up later in
life. There's some people that are just
really good at everything. They just
have amazing dexterity and coordination
and but for most people you like I
learned it when I was a kid. So like my
body matured doing those things. My body
matured kicking and it became a part of
like just my average like normal
movement of life,
>> right? You know
>> that's amazing. Uh, and uh, the the
spinning back kick though, uh, is it
typically a body kick you throw? Is that
>> when you throw I've thrown it to the
face, too? Especially a jump spinning
back kick to the face.
>> Wow.
>> But, um, the the
>> Wasn't it really the Koreans that
developed so they could actually kick a
man off a horse in war? Is that why the
kicks are so high?
>> I don't think so. I think it was just
cuz they were they're smaller in stature
and they realized that you had to have
more powerful kicks.
>> Okay.
>> You know, like cuz your legs are always
carrying your body around. There's a lot
more mass to your muscles and your legs
and there's a lot more force you can
generate with your kicks.
>> Did you ever see the fight between Rick
Rufus and that Muay Thai guy? Oh yeah.
>> Wasn't that incredible?
>> Yeah, that changed kickboxing. We've
we've showed that fight a hundred times
on this podcast.
>> It's amazing because it was like
Americans versus Thai and
>> but we didn't really understand leg
kicks, right?
>> Because PKA karate and I found this out
later because of Benny Eritz who came in
the podcast. He told me that the reason
why they didn't allow leg kicks in PKA
karate was because of Bill Wallace. So
Bill Superfoot Wallace famously had one
leg that he kicked with. It was cuz his
other leg, he had a bad knee, right?
>> And he didn't want anybody kicking his
legs.
>> Interesting.
>> So he promoted this idea that only have
above the waist kicks,
>> right?
>> And that's what we had in America. Like
that's what Johnny Etero fought most.
>> That's right. He did. He fought Rufus
himself actually.
>> Yes. Yeah. No, that that that was
incredible because if you looked at the
the art form, Rufus was so much more
beautiful to watch than the tie guy. He
came in, he sp he broke the guy's jaw in
the first round, I think. Hey, he
knocked him down a few times. Was it
once or twice?
>> He knocked him down a couple times, I
believe. But it was really
>> And the guy just kept chopping his leg
and and then I think he he went out in a
in a stretcher because his leg was
busted in like nine places or something.
>> He didn't know what to do. He didn't
understand it. What was really
interesting is his brother Duke became a
Muay Thai world champion after that
fight.
>> Was that the Was that the the guy who
was at the fight commenting after the
fight? Yes, I remember that.
>> He was saying it doesn't take any
>> There's no skill. Yes, I remember that.
>> Well, he he was embarrassed by that
later in his life because he became one
of the top MMA trainers.
>> Really? And he he took on Muay Thai.
>> Yes. Well, he became a Muay Thai world
champion and he developed Rufus Sport,
which is a great gym in Milwaukee. A top
gym. Developed world champions like
Anthony Pettis. So he was uh you know he
was a pioneer. It was one of the guys
that had to figure it out and you know
he spent time in Thailand. They all they
all learned it. They had to learn
>> because it was
>> Where's the best place in Thailand to
go? Is it Fuket? Is it Bangkok? Like
where?
>> Oh, there's so many good places.
Thailand's the real motherland of Muay
Thai obviously. And it's like, you know,
um Phuket's amazing.
Bangkok's amazing. I mean, there's so
many amazing gyms that are in uh in
Thailand.
>> They're tough. There's whole strips in
Phuket. My wife and I were there on
vacation once and we just stumbled on
this whole street
>> and uh you could do there was sort of
Americanstyle boxing. There was there
was a CrossFit type thing. Then there
was that Tiger Muay Thai and a bunch of
other Muay Thai facilities. And then
there's there's like street vendors that
would were were cooking meals
specifically for people who are there
training. Um, like you could buy a
beautiful hard-boiled eggs and and
avocado and uh chicken strips and this
is like high protein just catered to the
people who come from around the world to
train for like five, six weeks in a in a
clinic.
>> And there's people that do it just
recreationally. My friend Mark, he's uh
he's a businessman. He's in his 60s and
he did it.
>> He went over to Thailand.
>> Did he survive?
>> Yeah, he trained. He spars all I saw him
the other day. He had a black eye. He's
in his 60s. I'm like, what are you
doing, man? So if you were starting from
scratch, you and you wanted to be a MMA,
would you do like you go to uh Thailand
and do a do like a two months there and
then go to Dagistan to learn how to
wrestle? Is that would that be the best
combo?
>> If you were starting out, if you're a
kid, I would say wrestling. Wrestling is
number one. Yeah, that's the most
important thing to learn because if a
guy can take you down, he could do
whatever he wants to. If he could take
you down and hold you down and beat you
up,
>> if you don't know how to wrestle, you
can't fight. Right. You needed at least
to learn wrestling just to understand
wrestling take down defense.
>> But you did jiu-jitsu later in life,
didn't you?
>> Yes.
>> Right.
>> I didn't start jiu-jitsu till I was 29,
I think.
>> Yeah. And who who do you like right now?
Who do you think is the most interesting
fighter to watch these days?
>> Oh, there's so many. It's impossible to
say the most interesting. There's a guy
uh from Spain, Ilia.
>> Yeah. I really like Tapora. He's
what David Gogggins calls uncommon
amongst uncommon men.
>> Want some more coffee?
>> No, no, thank you. I'm good. Thank you.
He's a freak. I mean, he's just
incredibly talented.
>> Weird. Weirdly talented. Like his last
three fights, he knocked out three
all-time greats.
>> Holloway.
>> Yeah. Holloway, Alexander, um um uh and
um
uh Charles Olivera. So that's crazy.
Vulcganowski, who's like one of the
greatest featherweights of all time,
knocked him out, knocked out Max
Holloway, another one of the greatest
featherweights of all time. And then
Charles Olivera, one of the greatest
lightweights of all time. He knocks out
three guys in three fights. There's no
one has a resume like that.
>> And he's not like, as I understand, he
was a Greco Roman guy, right?
>> And he became a boxer later on.
>> He's just How do you describe? How do
you describe
like so I'm I'm not I'm not
knowledgeable in this area, but it the
way he he almost looks like he has a
Philly shell.
>> Is that a Philly shell what he does with
>> a little bit of that? Well, he has
amazing defense. It's just amazing
awareness and he pattern recognition,
technique. It's he's like he's a
combination of all things, right?
incredible confidence, incredible
intelligence, insane discipline, work
ethic, but just uh great training
methods. Like he does everything right.
And then insane confidence. Like his
confidence is insane. He when he fought
Charles Olivera for the lightweight
title, he celebrated his victory the
night before. He had a party to
celebrate the night before the fight and
then went out and knocked Charles out in
the first round and said he was going to
knock Charles out in the first round.
>> That's incredible.
>> One punch. Boom.
>> But you know what impresses me most
about him is how he got up after that
kick to the head he took. That was
incredible. And you know who else did
that was GSP. Remember when GSP took
that head and he went down but he
recovered quickly
>> and he was talking to me about how cuz I
said to him like in politics you get hit
you get hit right and not not physically
if you're lucky but but you have to be
able to get up quickly and react to it.
And I asked him how did you do it? How
did you like how does your brain go from
taking that kind of hit to getting back
in the fight and turning it around? And
he said he like it's t two very deep
breaths through the nose and then out
through the mouth and get some oxygen
back into your system and focus your
mind. I thought that was an incredible
lesson.
>> Well, I mean it's all in how you get
kicked cuz you could just get knocked
out
>> and then it's over.
>> There's nothing you could do. If you get
shut off, you get shut off and certain
people get shut off. It just you just
get kicked. You can get kicked and it
kind of glances off of you or you can
get kicked and it just slams right into
the side of your neck and it the lights
go dark,
>> right? But if you're if you're still
able to to recover and and think
quickly, it's incredible to have that
kind of pre-programming to ready you for
a moment like that.
>> Well, I mean that's a big part of his
what I was talking about the the camp
that he comes from. I mean, Farasa Hab
is like one of the most intelligent and
one of the most brilliant trainers in
the sport.
>> Who's this?
>> Farasa Hobby. He's the guy from
Montreal. Tristar.
>> So, he's the guy who trains just
>> trains GSP.
>> Oh, GSP. Okay. Yes.
>> And I mean, I think that is that's a big
part of why GSP was able to recover.
Like they prepare for everything,
>> right?
>> You know, it's like there's nothing left
to chance. Like he he hires people to
try to knock George out in training.
That was one of the things he did. It
would give them more money if they could
knock him out. So they would just so he
would be like fully prepared, right,
>> when he was fighting? Like they leave no
stone uncovered.
>> Don't you have to like budget though the
number of head shot
>> 100%. But he was pretty confident that
George I mean it wasn't like he was
doing this with a beginner. He was doing
this with a world champion, one of the
greatest of all time. He he you know he
wanted George to be in danger,
>> you know. So George had to fight like he
was going to fight inside the octagon,
>> right?
>> In danger. Because John Jones said
somewhere that he had like every time he
gets hit hard in in camp, he's he said
like I just that that's part of my brain
budget that's that's been taken away.
>> Well, that's why John's so smart. He he
recognizes that there's a lot of people
that don't think that way. John also
famously won't take a fight on short
notice.
>> Is that right?
>> He wants to be fully prepared for a
fighter. Even a guy like when he fought
Chel Sunen, um they offered him a Chale
Sunen fight on short notice and he said
no. Like there is not a time, no
disrespect to Chale, he's a great
fighter.
>> No, there's not a time on this life in
this earth where Chel Son is going to
beat Jon Jones. It's just not going to
happen. He could have taken that fight
on one day's notice and still beat Chale
Sun. He's that much better than him. But
he still wouldn't take it. He's like,
"No, I want to be fully 100% prepared."
>> That's smart, though.
>> Yeah. Also, he hated Chale. And so he
wanted to make sure that there was not a
chance that Chale could do anything to
him that he would have been able to
wouldn't have been able to do if he was
trained.
>> Do these guys hate each other
>> sometimes.
>> Is it most of them do they respect or is
it depends on the fight?
>> It really depend. Like when Ilia Tapora
fought um Charles Aivera, he actually
apologized to him before the fight. He
said, "I'm sorry. It has to be you. I
really like you."
>> Kind of crazy.
>> He's got to be careful though. hated
people, too. He's hated people he
fought, too. I mean, there's some people
that just rub you the wrong way. There's
some people there's strategies to get
inside your head and [ __ ] with you and
and for you to fight with emotion.
>> Well, Habib with um
>> Conor McGregor.
>> With McGregor, he he really hated
McGregor. He wasn't going to almost
didn't let go when the tap happened,
right?
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> That was that was something else. Is
Conor ever going to come back, do you
think?
>> Only Conor knows. I mean, if he's going
to, he has to do it soon. I mean, I
think he's 30. How old is he now? 37.
He
>> he's jacked now, eh?
>> Yeah. Well, not anymore.
>> Oh, he came back down.
>> He was uh on the Mexican supplements for
a while.
>> Okay.
>> Because he was trying to uh recover from
his uh leg break,
>> right?
>> So, when he fought Dustin Porier,
>> I remember that
>> he got on some stuff to try to recover
for that. I don't know what he got on,
but clearly it helped. He got huge. He
got super jacked. The problem with
getting super jacked like that is then
you get addicted to what got you super
jacked cuz you if you're on steroids you
feel like Superman, you know, you you
feel like you could just run through
walls and then you get off of it and now
your endocrine system has to kind of
catch up to the fact that you've been
giving it exogenous tech testosterone
for all these months and so that it
takes a long time for you to get back to
a normal healthy level so you feel like
[ __ ] It's hard for these guys to get
off of steroids,
>> right? I can imagine you get addicted to
being that I
>> I've never done it. I don't plan on it.
>> How old is he?
>> 37.
>> 37. Almost 38.
>> That's getting up there. Who's the
oldest fighter that's ever been in the
octagon? Like who's a serious
competitor?
>> Probably Randy Couture. I think Randy
won the world title, the world
heavyweight title in his 40s.
>> Wow.
>> Yeah. But Randy didn't even start his
mix mixed martial arts career. I think I
think I was there at his first fight in
1997 and I think he was 34 or 35 before
he ever had uh an MMA fight. He was just
an elite wrestler who, you know, made
his way into MMA because, you know,
there's no real professional outlet for
actual amateur wrestling.
>> Did you ever interact with the Gracies?
Because I remember way back in like I
remember MMA or UFC 2, it was the second
one. That was when it really kicked.
First one was a little bit strange was
that big fat guy whose tooth went flying
out that. But number two was the one
with
>> Shamrock and uh Gracie and uh Dan
Severn. Was he in number two? Dan Severn
the wrestler.
>> I think he was later.
>> It might have been three or four.
>> Yeah.
>> But that was kind of the first
generation
>> of big names.
>> Oh, Hoy Gracie changed the world.
>> Yeah. With his he was a slow style
though, man. Like you had to have
patience to watch him because he'd sit
he just lie on his back and wait, wait,
wait, and enjoy. Well, with Dan Severn,
he did because he he had to catch him in
a triangle, right? And he eventually
tapped him and no one even understood
what was going on. Like, why is he he's
got his legs wrapped around him. What
the hell is going on? And then all of a
sudden, Dan Severn's tapping out. You're
like, this is crazy. So, a man who
weighed literally 100 pounds more than
him or close to it,
>> right? On top of him and hoist beat him.
>> Well, Dan Dan Severn didn't appear to
have any finishing moves. Like, he was
think I got you on your back. I've
pinned you. I've won the wrestling
match. It would kind of give you little
nuggies, knuckle sandwiches,
>> but but then of course uh eventually
that anaconda comes in and either chokes
you out or takes your arm.
>> Well, no one understood jiu-jitsu until
Hoist came around, you know, other dad,
wasn't it? His dad that introduced it to
the family.
>> His dad and his uh uncle. So, it was it
was Carlos Gracie and Ilio Gracie who
were the real founders of Brazilian
jiu-jitsu and then Carlson Gracie.
>> Okay. And those guys were the pioneers.
And they were having no rules fights in
the 1930s and 40s.
>> Wow.
>> Yeah.
>> And did they bring it over from Japan?
>> Um, Miada brought it over from Japan and
they taught the Gracies. And then um,
you know, Ilio Gracie famously had a
match with Kimura, who was a Japanese
judoka who broke Ilio's arm with a
kamura. And that's how that that
technique that's why it's called a
kimura. Really?
>> Uh yeah, in catch wrestling they call it
a double wrist lock.
>> Okay.
>> But we call it a kamura because Kamura
broke Ilio Graciey's arm with this. Ilio
just refused to tap and it's like and
and eventually it snapped his arm.
>> Wow. That's incredible.
>> You know, they're having these long no
rules fights in Brazil long before
anybody had any idea what MMA was in
America. And then Hoist's brother Hixon
who was the best out of all of them.
Hixon was fighting people when he was 18
in like these big arenas really in
Brazil. Yeah.
>> Unbelievable. And then they then I guess
Dana White brought it in with UFC and
>> No, it wasn't Dana. It was uh there
there was another organization before uh
Zufa owned the UFC and this other
organization they started it with Hen
Gracie. So Hen Gracie was the guy who
founded the UFC. Okay. And originally
they were talking about putting like a
moat around the cage and having
crocodiles in it and [ __ ] They wanted
it to be like completely insane because
what it was for Hian, Hian's a brilliant
man. And what what for him what he
wanted was to promote jiu-jitsu and he's
like this is going to be the best way to
open up schools all over the country and
to show this art that my father had
created.
>> Right? So they had really taken some of
the ground techniques of judo and really
refined them to a razor sharp edge. And
and also one of the things that helped a
lot was that Ilio was a small man. He
was only like 145 lbs. And so he had to
use only technique and leverage. He
couldn't rely on brute strength. And so
it was one of the best sort of
advertisements is to have hoist who was
also fairly small. Oh, he's only 175
lbs. Beat all these big giant
musclebound guys with pure technique cuz
they didn't understand what he was
doing. And he was like, "This is going
to be brilliant. This is going to" And
it worked. I mean, the the the name
Gracie and Jiu-Jitsu are synonymous.
>> It's everywhere now. Like, we even have
them in Canada where these these schools
will have the Gracie name and obviously
they have no attachment to Gracie uh
your the Brazilian Gracies, but
everybody wants to learn the Gracie
style. Well, they probably do have a
like Gracie Baja, which is a huge uh
affiliate of gyms. They're all over the
country, the world. They're everywhere.
>> Are they good?
>> Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, there's like
it's very difficult to have a bad
jiu-jitsu gym today.
>> Why is that? Because they're so
competitive.
>> It's too competitive. There's too many
good people. There's too many good gyms.
Like in Austin alone, Austin alone has
like 10 amazing jiu-jitsu schools.
>> Is that right? Oh, yeah.
>> Do you go Do you go enroll quite often?
There's a place right up the street,
10th Planet Jiu-Jitsu, which is the
school that I started with. Okay.
>> In California. Well, I started with the
Mach. Well, I actually started with
Hicks and Gra I started
>> I started with Hicks and Gracie and then
I went to Carlson Gracie and then I and
that was just cuz I didn't know there
was any difference in the Gracies and
then Carlson Gracie was closer to my
house. I like, oh, I'll go to this
Gracie place. It's closer. This is when
I was a white belt. I didn't know
anything. And then when they closed,
when that gym closed, then I went to
Jeanjac Machadoo. And so I started
training there in 1998. And that was um
that was in uh the valley in California.
Uh but then um one of John Jock's black
belts, my best friend Eddie Bravo, he
started 10th planet jiu-jitsu and then I
I trained there as well.
>> Okay. And in Canada with we see a lot of
places where they do Muay Thai and
jiu-jitsu. So you get your striking and
your grappling all in one.
>> Ted Planet here has a Muay Thai program.
Oh,
>> is that right? So that's now a lot of
those gyms have that.
>> And you went to your first as a
commentator. You did it like for free,
didn't you?
>> No. No, I I got paid in the early days
in the 90s in the in 1997, but it wasn't
much. I was losing money. But when the
UFC was purchased by Zufa in 2001, that
was when I was on Fear Factor and I met
Dana White and I became friends with him
and he asked me as a favor to do
commentary on this one show that they
had, UFC 37 and a half. It was on Fox
Sports, whatever it was, the there was a
cable channel. So, it was best damn
sports show, period. Had this UFC show
and he said, "Would you do me a favor
and just do commentary on this one
event, right?"
>> And I said, "Okay, I'll do it for this
one." Then he's like, "I want you to do
it again."
>> And then I was like, "Okay." So, I I I
was like, I just wanted to do it for
fun. Like, for me, it's like I like
going to the fights and I like going
with my friends and having a good time.
And I did like the first 15 of them for
free. I just they I knew they were
hemorrhaging money and I didn't need any
money.
>> But you loved it. You love being there.
It was like a kid in a candy store.
>> Well, also was very happy to try to
promote this thing because for me it was
the ultimate expression of martial arts.
Like we need to find out what's the best
style, right?
>> And I had kind of I had been so
engrossed in that world in Japan with
Pride and all these other organizations
that they had over there. And
>> it's like what happens if an alligator
fights with a tiger? What happens when a
lion fights with a bear? We got to match
them up and find out.
>> Well, it's humans versus humans. So,
it's just style
because you didn't want to waste your
time doing something that didn't work.
And there was a lot of people that waste
their time doing stuff that didn't work.
>> And we didn't really know what that was
until the UFC came along. And then we're
like, oh. And now the evolution of
martial arts from 1993 when the UFC
started to 2026. In those years,
martial arts have evolved more than they
have in the last 30,000 years.
>> Right. Well, it's like the the gap
between theory and practice. Yes.
>> And like uh Bruce Lee when he when he he
started Wing Chun, but he said that a
lot of it was just or ornamental. And he
called it dryland swimming.
>> It's like, you know, you wouldn't
actually do that in a fight. And then he
got into a lot of um contention with the
the scholars of the art form. It's a
very beautiful art form, Wing Chung, but
I don't know if it I can't imagine it
works that well in fight.
>> It is Wing Chong is effective. There's a
lot of techniques.
>> If you got into a fist fight between
like a Muay Thai guy and a Wing Chung
guy, who would come out on
>> the Muay Thai guy, but it doesn't mean
that Wing Chong's not effective. And you
could use Wing Chong in Muay Thai or in
an MMA fight. But you have to know
everything. That's the reality of it.
It's like taekwondo. Like taekwondo is
not effective by itself in an MMA fight.
But if you know MMA and you know
taekwondo, then you could do like what
Edson Barbosa did to Terry Edam and
knock him out with a wheel kick in
spectacular fashion. Like
has like a big blend, right? Like you
get some some Muay Thai, some karate,
some
>> Yes.
>> That's what MMA is. Mixed martial arts.
I mean it's like you take all and that's
Bruce Lee's philosophy. Absorb what's
useful. I mean, he was the real first
mixed martial artist and when it was
very dangerous to do that because people
hated him. I mean, they would attack
him. He would have he would have to have
fights with people because they they
thought that he was disrespecting their
art,
>> right?
>> You know, and he combined western boxing
and wrestling. He learned judo from Gene
Leel. He learned things from everybody.
He learned karate, sav. He learned all
these different martial arts and was
absorbing what's useful and putting his
own. So J Kundo his style was really the
first mixed martial arts style.
>> Is that right?
>> Yeah.
>> Do people use it anymore?
>> Well, yeah. There's J Kundo schools.
Sure. Yeah. Yeah. I mean I mean a lot of
what Krab Magazi martial art is like
kind of a a combination of things along
the same lines of the way Bruce Lee did
it.
>> Is it is Krab Mra a good effective
martial arts system?
>> Every martial art system is effective if
you have a great instructor. Okay.
>> Right. But on their own, like the best
styles are the really strong styles like
jiu-jitsu, Muay Thai, wrestling. Those
are the best sty western boxing. Those
are the best styles on their own. Okay.
But what Krab Magga is is a combination
of all those styles. And so if you have
a great instructor in Krab Magga, yeah,
you'll you'll learn great Muay Thai,
you'll learn great jiu-jitsu, you it's
essentially mixed martial arts, but with
a lot of emphasis on real world
application, street fights, you know,
dirty stuff like eye gouging, you know,
poking people in the eye, kicking them
in the nuts. Yikes.
>> Stuff that works. But that's what you
like. You see it in an MMA fight all the
time. A guy gets poked in the eye. He's
like, "Hey, hang on." And he has to
stop. Like punched and it's against
rules. So, this guy's getting punched
and kicked. And look, Tom Aspenol, he
was in the heavyweight title fight and
he got eye poked in the first round.
He's had to have two surgeries since
then on his eyes and he hasn't been able
to fight. They had to stop the fight in
the first round from an eye poke.
>> My god.
>> It's very effective. But in crowd mag,
they're like go for the eyes. Bang. Cuz
in a real world fight for your life
scenario technique. I mean, it's for the
Israeli military I think.
>> Exactly. So they have to prepare for,
you know, unusual situations where where
you're trying to survive in a in a, you
know, a situation where your arm has
been your your weapon has been removed
and you're and you're just trying to
fight for your life.
>> Exactly. Well, just in your in a
situation with hand handtoh hand combat,
you need to learn how you need to know
every you need if a guy takes you down,
you can't be lost. Oh, we have to get
back up so I can fight. No, you have to
be able to fight on the ground. And
that's the idea of it. like incorporate
jiu-jitsu, incorporate leg kicks, Muay
Thai, western boxing, even jundo
techniques, even wing chong techniques.
There's a lot of hand trapping and
things in Wing Chong that can be very
>> It looks really cool what they do with
that wooden uh that wooden uh dummy.
It looks
>> Exactly.
>> I've never really got into that, but if
you do get into that, you'll learn
blocking techniques and you'll learn
>> that actually work.
>> Yeah, sure.
>> Okay. But you they'll work if you know
the other stuff. They won't work if a
guy just shoots a double on you and
takes you down and starts pounding you.
You don't know what to do when you're on
the bottom, right? You have to know how
to and this is what really MMA has
taught the world. It's like you have to
be able to defend yourself everywhere.
Standing up on the ground, you have to
be effective in all the realms,
>> right? But still, we have a lot of
people that are pure specialists that do
really well in mixed martial arts
because they're so good in one area,
like Alex Pereira, who is the
middleweight champion, light heavyweight
champion, and now he's going up to
heavyweight, and he's going to be
fighting at the White House card. Alex
Pereira is one of the greatest
kickboxers of all time. He's a two
division world champion in kickboxer,
but his style is all kickboxing, but he
just developed takedown defense.
>> He can do it all. He can do it all,
>> but he doesn't submit anybody. If you're
fighting him, you're going to get you're
going to get it's going to be a stand up
fight. Unless you could take him down,
he's not going to try to take you down.
He's going to try to [ __ ] you up. He's
going to try to knock you into another
dimension.
>> Thanks for the warning. I'll try to
avoid the guy if I see him on the
street.
>> Terrifying.
>> The funniest thing I ever saw was
there's this video of of Jon Jones on
the street somewhere and he he he bumped
into he was talking and he he leaned on
some guy's motorcycle. I think I he
might have been in in Asia or something.
The guy had no idea who he was and he
started screaming at him.
>> Oh no.
>> And John said, "I'm very, very sorry."
And he turned around, he ran away like
he was terrified. And it was just
obviously he wasn't in any danger. But
it was so hilarious that this guy had no
idea who he was picking a fight with.
>> That's hilarious. The guy has no idea.
His life flashed before his eyes.
>> But he but he he took it well because he
was like, you know, I don't have
anything to prove.
>> Yeah. John's not the type of guy that
would do anything to I mean all also
what a lawsuit, you know.
>> Oh yeah. Your your hands are weapons.
>> I mean, his whole body is a weapon,
>> but most of those guys are really nice
guys in real life.
>> Is that right?
>> Yeah. Because they get all their
aggression out. They don't have anything
to prove. They're not the type of per
they know what they can do. They don't
have to prove it to anybody. They
>> Well, you should come to Winnipeg. They
They have a fight coming up. I think
it's in uh I think it's in April. It's
in April.
>> A UFC in in Winnipeg. Yeah. I've avoided
UFC's in Canada.
>> Well, come on up. I
>> I've avoided it just because of the
government. Just because of what was
going on as a protest. So, I was like,
"This is so fucked."
>> Well, we'll come back up and
>> Well, if you win, I'll go up there.
>> How about that?
>> We should get you up before
>> you become prime minister. I promise
I'll do all the UFC events that they
have in Canada.
>> We need you up in Canada to come uh come
do one of your comedy shows and uh it
would be great for tour.
>> I love going up there. I used to love
going to Massie Hall.
>> Yeah.
>> I I used to Toronto. Yeah. I I love
performing there. I did um
>> You used to do Montreal and
>> and uh How old were you when you were in
Montreal? Oh, I started I think the
first time I was up there, I was like
25.
>> Such a beautiful city, eh? It's gorgeous
there.
>> Oh, I love that. Quebec is lovely. It's
amazing. Beautiful province.
>> Amazing food. Shout out to Joe Beef. One
of my favorite restaurants in the world
that's in Montreal.
>> Yeah, they're uh Montreal is a great
place. And you should come out to the
Prairies, too. Go to the Calgary
Stampede.
>> I've heard that's awesome. Oh, it's
amazing.
>> I've been to Edmonton. I've been to
Alberta. Yeah. performed in Edmonton a
few times and um I've I've hunted in
Alberta
>> where
>> um well my friends John and Jen Rivet
they have a they have a uh um a a guide
I mean they they guide people up in uh
northern Alberta it's all like uh you
know black bear hunting so it's like
>> there's a lot of great hunting I'm not I
don't hunt myself but there's a ton of
great hunting a lot of hunters in
Alberta
>> Oh yeah well there's talk about Alberta
separating
>> that won't happen.
>> What was that about?
>> It won't happen. Um people, some people
are frustrated. Uh but they, you know,
there's some legitimate frustrations,
but at the end of the day, Canada's
going to be united. And Albertans, I'm
born and raised Alberta, and Albertans
are seriously patriotic.
>> Very patriotic.
>> Yeah. They're great people. Hardworking.
>> Some of the nicest people you ever met.
>> They are great people in Alberta.
>> They are hearty people.
>> It's cold up there. Know how to survive.
>> Exactly. You got to be tough to survive
the cold in Canada. Carve a country like
we have out of that cold weather on that
big open land.
>> Um but uh people just keep on going and
uh Alberta's got a real kind of rugged
uh individualism
and uh people uh people love their their
agriculture. There's great ranches in
Alberta, beautiful grasslands in
Saskatchewan.
>> Doesn't Brock Lesnar have a place up
there?
>> I did I didn't know that.
>> I think Brock Lesnar bought land in
Alberta. Really? I think he owns a ranch
up there.
>> Actually, I had heard that from
somebody. I've never seen him.
>> He fell in love with it. Well, he's a
big hunter as well. I think he fell in
love with it up there cuz it's just it's
so magnificent. It's so gorgeous.
>> It's a great country.
>> And the woods are so dense and beautiful
and you got wolves and bears and moose
and everything up there. It's amazing
country.
>> The the Canadian Rockies are spectacular
as well. They're, you know, a worldwide
attraction. You know, you go to Lake
Louise, it looks like a tropical lake
because it's all this runoff from the
mountain melt and uh you'd think you
were in the tropics because it's this
this turquoise green. That's where I
grew up. I I love I love Calgary. I love
southern Alberta. That's really my home.
And so uh you got to come to the
Stampede. Greatest outdoor show on
earth. A lot of Texans go up for the the
cuz it's a rodeo. It's a huge rodeo.
>> Yeah. People don't think cowboy Canada.
They don't think of that. But yeah,
>> Calgary uh they they've got some serious
eyes there.
>> No, they really do. Yeah. Look, I love
Canada. I just uh
>> if if you did your comedy show in
Calgary, you'd get a massive turnout.
>> It would be great. Think it over. See,
when you
>> Well, I was supposed to be up there
before co I was supposed to do a show up
there uh for 420 for April 20th. I was
going to do it in Vancouver.
>> That's another great city. Every year I
would do these uh 420 shows like these,
you know, 420 is the marijuana number.
And Canada now you you guys have legal
marijuana, too.
>> I've been legal for 10 years,
>> which they should have in America. It's
so ridiculous. They just they just
recently decided to make it schedule
three.
>> Is it state by state?
>> Yes. It's legal in a lot of states, but
it's still not legal federally. It's
goofy. If alcohol is legal, marijuana is
far safer. It should be legal. It's
ridiculous. It's also a personal freedom
thing. Leave people alone. It's like no
one's robbing banks, smoking weed, and
[ __ ] killing their neighbors. It's
crazy. It's like
>> that's a personal personal choice.
>> It's not It's not heroin. It's not
opiates. It's not like maybe you
shouldn't do it if you have mental
health problems, right? But there's a
lot of people that just like take a pot
gummy and go to bed and it makes them
sleep better. Like, leave them alone.
Like, leave people alone. Let let people
have a glass of whiskey. Let people have
a glass of wine with dinner. Leave them
alone. Like stop coming up with laws
where you can impose your values and
your morals and your judgments on other
people. Let them have make their own
personal. Look, if you want to eat a
[ __ ] cheeseburger, eat a
cheeseburger. You know, if you want to
go and have five Big Macs, you should be
able to. I don't think you should do it.
But I don't think there should be a law
stopping you. And I think that's that
should apply to a lot of things in life
and we'd be a lot better off. Well, the
the bottom line is if you cannot trust a
man to govern himself, how can you trust
him to govern for others? Like if if you
think if if you think that human nature
is so flawed that people cannot make
decisions for themselves, then how could
you possibly trust human nature to make
decisions for other people to impose
decisions on their lives? Uh and uh who
watches the watchmen? You know, we're
constantly told we need to be we need to
be kind of guided by these people from
ivory towers. But who are these angels
anyway? They're just human beings like
everyone else. So when you give them
more power and more you give them the
power to impose their will on on people
then that ultimately gets abused.
>> Yes.
>> So even you're right. Even when somebody
is doing something that I don't agree
with and I would think it would be
better for all of us if they didn't do
it. The the the mal that is done by
giving me the power to impose my
decision-m on them is worse than the
benefit of trying to direct them towards
a better decision.
>> Well said.
>> That that's my philosophy.
>> That's why I like you. Well, that's
where I got you.
>> Make a lot of sense.
>> It's pretty simple. I think all the best
things in life are simple. You know, we
over complicate things. Government is is
way too complicated. You know, uh I I
think we need to get back to the
simplicity. The greatest speech in the
English language was Abraham Lincoln's
Gettysburg address. 271 words. You know,
Einstein compressed uh uh mass and
energy into a five character equation.
Um the you know Bruce Lee was an
advocate of simplicity like simplicity
is is a virtue and I think we have to
get back to simplicity especially in
government. Simpler, clearer, easier to
to manage. That's the pro that's the
kind of the the philosophical take I I I
pursue. Well, I appreciate that and I I
think like that philosophy and that
perspective from a leader is what we
need in this world, you know, and uh
>> well, I think leaders have to have
humility because the the problem is that
if you are a egoomaniac and you're in
power anywhere in the world, then you're
going to want to just continually impose
new rules and laws to make yourself
bigger. Whereas, if you believe in
freedom, then you have to take you have
to be able to say to yourself, I don't
know better for this other person. he
knows better what's for him and you know
it's it's hard but politicians have to
think that they have to trust the people
but you know nobody wants to have he
left people alone on their gravestone
they want to think oh he built this he
he imposed that he made this grand uh uh
initiative that he imposed on the people
in order to have a legacy but my legacy
is just to let other people build their
legacies in their own lives
>> I think the idea of forging a legacy
based on controlling people and imposing
your will is ludicrous.
>> Exactly.
>> Yeah.
>> And uh
>> but the problem is history is littered
with people like that.
>> Absolutely.
>> Alexander the Great, Genghaskhan,
there's so many people that impose their
will and left a legacy. But is that
good?
>> I don't think it is.
>> It's not. And it's also they're dead.
This is It doesn't matter.
>> Nobody Nobody walked by walked by one of
those magnificent tombs in in Petra and
said, "Boy, I'd really like to be inside
there."
>> Exactly. what what is happening while
you're alive is what's really
significant and the most the the most
impactful thing like do well do good for
the people and I think uh your message
resonates with me
>> and if I was a Canadian I would vote for
you 100%.
>> Thank you. Thank you for that. Well,
it's uh it's um you know it's a
privilege to do this work and I'm I
consider it very humbling and I'm very
proud to be Canadian and uh to take the
message of Canada here to our American
friends. Well, I'm glad you're here
doing that and I think uh this is going
to have a big impact.
>> I really hope it moves the needle up in
Canada.
>> Absolutely. And down here, we got to get
these tariffs gone. Get the tariffs
gone.
>> Well, let's work it out. Work it out.
And uh if you win, I'm coming up there.
I promise.
>> Well, we're going to try to get you up
there earlier. I'm going to keep working
on you. And you look at that that maple
leaf on your new kettle bell every day.
Eventually, we're going to we're going
to uh work subliminally into your
subconscious and get you up.
>> Well, look, like I said, you don't have
to sell me on Canada. I love Canada and
uh I I love that gift. So, thank you so
much. I really appreciate Thank you for
being here. It was awesome.
>> Thank you. All right, buddy.