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>> The Joe Rogan Experience.

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>> TRAIN BY DAY. JOE ROGAN PODCAST BY

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NIGHT. All day.

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>> We're up.

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>> How are you, sir? Pleasure to meet you.

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>> It's great to be here. Thanks for having

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me. Great to be back in Texas.

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>> I'm glad we finally did this.

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>> Yes, me too.

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>> I wanted to do it the first go around.

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>> Yeah, I know. Uh well, when I got the

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invitation, we were in the middle of the

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election and we just don't leave the

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country during election campaigns.

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>> I get it. And uh the problem we've had

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is we can't get you to come to Canada.

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>> And so uh we've actually hatched a full

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strategy to get you into Canada cuz we

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think it's going to do big things for

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our tourism numbers. So do you mind if I

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present you with something right out of

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the gate?

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>> Sure.

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>> All right. This is uh

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>> this is from a gunsmith and machinist in

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Calgary, Alberta. His name is Jay, and

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he's designed uh

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>> Look at this kettle bell. Guess what the

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weight is?

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>> Uh 70 pounds.

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>> 70 pounds. That's the That's the weight

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you cabinet. It says on the front here,

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Jamie, it says here on the front, Jamie,

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pull it up. So, we've got that. We've

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got uh you see here some other stuff. Uh

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for a stand.

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>> Oh, that's really cool.

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>> Look at this stand here. So, we've got

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seeing is believing, which I think was

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the slogan of the first UFC that you

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were the commentator for. I think it was

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number 13.

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>> 12.

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>> Number 12. Right. And then we've got

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here your favorite quote from um

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what's his name? The Japanese uh martial

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artist.

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>> Yes. And it says,

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>> "If you know the way broadly, you will

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see it in everything."

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>> So that's here. And then Morris code.

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There's a thank you letter for you. And

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we've got

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>> you've got your flying saucer.

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>> And we've got your logo here, too. So,

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but most important of all,

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>> we've got a subliminal message, which is

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the Canadian maple leaf.

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>> Oh. Every time you do a kettle bell

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swing, you do a snatch, you do a clean,

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you're going to be seeing that maple

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leaf and you're going to be reminding

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yourself that you need to come back to

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Canada.

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>> All right.

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>> All right. I'll present that to you

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there.

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>> Thank you very much.

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>> Go on there, too.

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>> Very cool.

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>> Is that in the way, Jamie?

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>> I can take it off.

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>> We'll take it off.

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>> Put it down.

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>> So, uh,

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>> I saw your I saw your, uh, interview

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with Pavle. And I'm a I'm a big

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kettlebell freak.

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>> Are you really?

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>> Yeah, absolutely. And I started

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researching him after you had him on and

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I was trying to I love history. So

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>> I was thinking why did the Russians come

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up with this? And uh it it turns out

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they used it as a counterweight at the

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farmer markets. So they would say, you

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know, you come in, you have to say this

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is how much potatoes you're buying. But

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instead of trying to do it by eyeball,

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they would put what is now kabel on one

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side of the scale and then the produce

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on the other. And then at the farmers

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expeditions, you had these big Russian

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farmers who want to show how strong they

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were. So they would pick them up and do

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all kinds of um displays with them. And

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then then the Russian army took it on,

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the Soviet army took it on. And then

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that's where Pavle picked it up and then

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brought it over the Atlantic and uh

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introduced it to America.

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>> Wow, that's crazy. So it was just

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accidental that they made this very

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functional tool for fitness. Yeah, it

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was the it was just you'd go to a

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farmers market, you want to buy some

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barley or some potatoes, but you don't

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know if you're actually getting the real

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weight. So, they'd have a scale, a

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balancing scale, and they put the kettle

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bell on one side and the produce on the

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other, and then you knew you got the

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right amount. And then, of course, they

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have these big farmers um farm fairs,

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and they're showing off their their

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horses and their cattle and stuff, and

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they want to do strength displays. So

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these farmers are throwing these things

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around and the Russian military picked

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it up and then the Soviets of course

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took over and they took it on and then

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Pavle I think he was a Bellar Russian

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though if I'm not mistaken Pavl

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>> and he brought it over to uh North

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America but uh the ancient Chinese did

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it as well. You got uh really yeah the

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ancient Chinese the Shaolin monks have

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used them but they didn't do it with

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cast iron. They had theirs were sort of

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a concrete a concrete block and uh they

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they did it for strength training as

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well.

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>> Oh wow. Little history.

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>> Yeah. So I'm a big kettlebell freak. I I

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love it. And uh I really I started to

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study what Powell's teaching. I wanted I

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think he has an accreditation or

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something. If I ever get time I might

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take it.

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>> Yeah. Strong first. Yeah. That's his uh

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organization.

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>> And you're doing you have a whole

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program. I think you you do clean to

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press and then

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>> Yeah. I do a bunch of different things.

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squats, overhead squat and all that.

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>> It's a great functional tool just for

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your whole body,

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>> right?

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>> You know, it's really one of the best

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pieces of exercise equipment I think

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I've ever found.

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>> Yeah. I think he calls it a a cannonball

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on a handle. Um and uh the thing I like

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about it is the it's like a cat

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catapult.

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Like it all of the lift is in that that

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instant where it flips over your hand

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>> and uh the original ones. Wow, that's

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crazy.

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That's so interesting. So, the handle

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was just to pick it up and carry it

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around.

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>> Yeah.

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>> Wow.

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>> That had a real functional use.

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>> Well, it's just amazing how good it is

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for a piece of exercise equipment that

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was accidentally designed that way.

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>> Absolutely. And uh I think it's far

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superior to uh to a dumbbell exercise

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because there's no uh a dumbbell you got

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a you get a consistent lift, but that's

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not real life. If you're in a fight or

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you have to pick something up heavy, it

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doesn't lift consistently. It's it's

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explosive in that small range and you

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know when you're doing a snatch, by the

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time you get up to your shoulder, the

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thing's weightless because the catapult

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the catapult effect has taken over and

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now it's actually negative weights

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lifting your hand up in the air if

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you're doing it right. But like if

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you're in a fight or if you're in a

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wrestling match or you're you're trying

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to push really hard against a heavy

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object, it's all about explosive power

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and that's what kettle bells give rather

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than just this sort of uh freeze and

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contract thing that you do with with

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dumbbells.

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>> Have you always been a workout guy?

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>> Yeah, look, I I was um big into sports

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until my mid- teens. I was on the

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wrestling team. I wasn't great. I was

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good, but I wasn't great. Um then I got

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a a wicked uh tendinitis in my shoulder

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>> and it ended my athleticism for like

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four years and that's how I got into

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politics. I was so bored. I got get home

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from school I had nothing to do

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>> so I took I told my mother

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>> tendinitis got you into politics?

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>> Yeah that's what it was. I just couldn't

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get rid of it. Like I every time I

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thought I had it beat I'd go in and I'd

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train and it would be full of

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inflammation. No one could do anything

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about it. And so I was like bored out of

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my mind and I said to my mom like, you

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know, you go to these local meetings

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with the conservative association, like

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take me to that because I'm going crazy.

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And

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>> that's nuts. Yeah. So that So what what

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what were you interested in when you

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first went there? Like we just

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didn't like the way things were running.

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Like what what was it about it that got

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you so curious?

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Well, I grew up in a suburban

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neighborhood in south south end of

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Calgary. You know, my folks were

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teachers. I was adopted. My mom was a

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16-year-old on she she was a obviously a

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single mom. She put me up for adoption

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to two school teachers. There was

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electricians and oil workers and police

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officers lived on our street. Normal,

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hardworking, good folks. And I always

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grew up with the impression they were

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getting screwed over and that um the

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government didn't listen to people like

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them. didn't listen to people who grew

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up on streets like ours. And living in

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Western Canada, there was a greater

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sense of that. We called it Western

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alienation at the time. And there was

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this guy, kind of a quirky guy, but a

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really brilliant guy named Preston

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Manning. And I saw this billboard of him

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and he had his fist up and it said

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enough. And I said, "Yeah, I like that

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guy." So I got involved in politics and

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I started reading about different

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things. I start I read a biography on

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Fidel Castro and then I read

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>> Justin's dad. No, no, no. Not Justin's

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dad, right? No, no, no, no. His dad was

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Pierre. His dad was Pierre. His dad was

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Pierre. I had issues with Pierre

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Trudeau, too, because

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>> it's a great conspiracy theory, though.

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>> Well, it is a hell of a I don't think

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it's a true one, though. his dad is

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>> unfortunately

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>> his his dad um was very controversial

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where I grew up because he did a lot of

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damage to the oil sector and we're from

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oil country and so that was one of the

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things that I felt kind of resentful

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about the national government and one of

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the reasons I got involved is because

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the west deserved a fairer deal and uh

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but I read a lot of books like you know

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Milton Freriedman capitalism and freedom

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and and I came to to to develop a

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philosophy based on just maximizing

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personal financial, religious freedom,

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let people make their own decisions. And

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that that animated me to get involved in

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politics and fight for that, and I've

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been doing it ever since.

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>> Wow. That's a fascinating transition

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from wrestling and tendonitis, getting

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deeply involved in politics.

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>> Yeah. I mean, like, you know, you're a

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sports guy. If you had suffered an

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injury that took you out of taekwond do

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when you were young and you you simply

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couldn't compete at anything, you'd

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probably be looking for some other

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adventure.

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>> Yeah, that's how it was.

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>> Well, we're lucky that stem cells

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weren't around back then or you never

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would have gotten into politics.

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>> That's right. I would have been a

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wrestler. I don't know if I would have

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won any awards, but uh but yeah, that

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that was how I got started and and I got

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very active very quickly. I got my first

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internship making 600 bucks a month. uh

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when I was uh 16 or 17 years old and uh

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would you know take uh two trains and a

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bus and an hour and 45 minutes each way.

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But I was so thrilled. My dad bought me

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a used suit and a used pair of shoes.

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And I thought this I'm this is so

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incredible. I'm an important guy. I wear

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dress shoes. I wear I wear a tie. Didn't

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matter that the tie was bad bought from

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some dead guy whose family had sold it

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to a a used store. But uh that was my

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start and I loved it.

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Well, uh, I'm really excited to have you

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in here because I've seen you speak

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multiple times and you're a very

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reasonable, intelligent person. That

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makes a lot of sense. And that is that

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is a rare thing in politics. And I love

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Canada. Like I I just say I don't go up

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there anymore, but it's because I I I

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think the government went horribly wrong

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over the last, you know, x amount of

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years. But the people are amazing. It's

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like I was always I've always said that

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Canada has like it's like America with

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like 20% less [ __ ]

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Like every time I would go up there like

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people are so nice. They're they're like

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the nicest people. And I think that's

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part of what went wrong for Canada is

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that people are rule followers and you

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know they're trusting and kind people

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and you know this wolf in sheep's

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clothing snuck in and you know was

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pretending he was a sweet guy and

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passing all these crazy laws and just

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when we saw what happened with COVID

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with just with what happened with the

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truckers and people's accounts getting

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shut down for donating to the truckers

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Like the whole thing was so concerning

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because it's our Canada was like a part

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of America almost. I mean, you're a

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different country, but it's like you

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used to be able to go over there with

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just a driver's license, you know? It

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was like it was such a cool place to I

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started going to the Montreal Comedy

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Festival in like 1993. I loved it up

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there. It's like one of my favorite

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places.

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>> Just for laughs.

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>> Yeah.

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>> Good. How's your French?

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>> Not good.

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>> Okay, we'll work on that. We'll get you

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some French lessons.

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>> It's terrible. Well, I don't know any

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French words. My wife is learning

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French, though. It's interesting. She's

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got this app that she's learning French.

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Um, but it's just an amazing place. It's

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It's a great country. And, um, to see it

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go the way it's been going and sliding

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the way it's been happening over the

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last, you know, x amount of years,

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there's just so many things that concern

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me. You know, one of the things that

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really concerns me is this um, assisted

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suicide thing. that one in 20 deaths in

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Canada is now assisted suicide. That's

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insane.

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>> Well, listen, my my view is that people

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should have the choice, but uh the

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concern we have is the suggestion that

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it would be offered to kids or offered

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to people whose only condition is me

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mental illness,

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>> right?

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>> I don't agree with that. My concern as

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well, I mean, if someone's got a

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terminal, like a good friend of mine

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>> went to Oregon to end his life because

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he had ALS, but I mean, he was gone. I

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mean, he could barely talk at the end of

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his life. His name is Michael Lair. He

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was a regular guest on Kill Tony. Great

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guy,

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>> right?

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>> And

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>> it was horrible. I mean, watching him

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fade away and he wanted to go out on his

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own terms. So, he went to Oregon for

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assisted suicide. I mean, there's a

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place for it. Yeah,

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>> but I mean there was a kid recently in

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Canada and he did it for seasonal

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depression.

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>> You I'm sure you're aware of that case.

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>> Like who who allowed that to happen? Who

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didn't counsel this young guy? Who

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didn't give him a hug? Who didn't tell

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him about diet and exercise and changing

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your surroundings, your lifestyle and

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just do something, right,

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>> to give you some hope and happiness?

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Like seasonal depression? Really? You're

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going to end your life, this beautiful

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life on this planet for seasonal

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depression. That's

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>> that's why we have to do more to give

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people hope when they're suffering with

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mental illness. Yes. You know, give

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people the the sense that they can take

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back control of their lives. Uh I think

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we do have to promote fitness more

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because it gives people it turns them

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into a subject that controls their their

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surroundings rather than an object being

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controlled. It teaches people to that

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that hardship is temporary and that the

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aftermath is positive. And uh and we

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have to give people reinstill people

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with a sense of meaning when they're

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going through hardship rather than than

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to say that it's all over. And uh you

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know I think uh we have to our system

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needs to be geared towards giving people

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all the best options to live on rather

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than just suggesting maid as the as the

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easy as the as the automatic path for

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the system to impose on people. So, uh,

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one of the things our party is pushing

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for is to make clear that public

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servants who are getting phone calls

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from people who are in need of help for

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something. They shouldn't be offering

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that. They shouldn't be offering. People

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can seek it out if they want, but when

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you're calling up saying, "I'm poor or

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I'm struggling or I'm having a mental

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illness or I've got an injury." Uh, we

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shouldn't have a a government worker

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saying, "Well, consider maid." Well, the

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the unfortunate thing is that any

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organization that gets formed

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>> wants to grow and you get financial

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incentives

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>> and then you hire more people and then

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it gets bigger and then what do you have

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to do? Well, you have to keep doing what

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you're doing. What are you doing? You're

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killing people. So, you're going to kill

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more people because you're actually

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financially incentivized to put more

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people through this program and end

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their lives.

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>> That's that's very sad. So I think we

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have to get to get to a point where

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people have the freedom to make their

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own decisions but they also have hope

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that there is an option for them and

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that's what we're trying

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>> pathway you know and like the exercise

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thing is not just give them you know

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control of their life. It makes them

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happier. It's it's it show there's been

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studies that show it's much more

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effective than anti-depressants.

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>> Absolutely. Well, it's the first of

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there's the phys physiological side

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which affects the brain, but it's also

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the sensation of discomfort that you

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push through knowing that you have to

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focus on the thing you have to do. And

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uh that I think it helps us in anything

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we're encountering whether you're going

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through a divorce or a bankruptcy or an

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injury or an illness if you know that

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pushing through to the other side

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because you've got a meaning there that

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can give people hope for for for a

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better life. You know my favorite

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psychologist is u Victor Frankle Victor

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Frankl and he developed this um logos

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treatment which was basically giving

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people a sense of meaning. He survived

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the Holocaust in the concentration camp

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because he had a sense of meaning that

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he wanted to his book was stolen from

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him in the concentration camp about this

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this theory and he wanted to live on so

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he could survive and write that book.

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And then he found his in his teaching

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that it wasn't so much people's

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circumstances that determined their

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happiness. It was whether they had a

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meaning in life. And he tells this

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incredible story of a group therapy

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session where he had this very rich

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woman who was married to a very rich

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man. And he had next to him another lady

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who was living in terrible poverty.

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She'd lost a son and had a second

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severely disabled son. And he said to

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both them, "What will your life look

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look like when you're 80 years old and

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you're on your deathbed?" And the the

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wealthier lady said, "Well, I will look

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back and think that while I had some fun

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and enjoyed the simple the the the

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luxuries of being very wealthy and

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having an easy life that there wasn't a

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lot of meaning to it." And whereas the

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mother who was struggling with a

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disabled child and had lost another one

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said, "Well, I gave my first child a

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great life, a short one, but a great

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one. I struggled to give my disabled

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child a good dignified existence and I

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leave this world satisfied and happy

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that my life had purpose and meaning.

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And the lesson that I take from that is

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that it is not about whether you have a

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gazillion dollars or whether your life

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is easy. It's whether you have some

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meaning to invest your your your life

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into. And I think we have to infuse

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people's lives with with meaning so that

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they that they can they can live a good

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life. Well, that's a great message and I

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think that's one of the most important

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parts of being a leader is having a

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great message and having a great

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philosophy and having a great

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perspective. And I mean, that's what

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disturbed me the most about when Trudeau

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was running the country that I I didn't

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feel like I thought I felt like he was

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manipulating people with woke politics

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and ideology and that it was just this

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weird slippery slope that people were

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falling down where they're losing rights

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and you're you're losing your ability to

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express yourself.

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>> And it just it just really disturbed me

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because I always felt that Canada was

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like one of the freest places and one of

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the most open-minded places. And it just

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I I didn't understand how it could fall

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so quickly.

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>> We we still, you know, we are a free

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country and we we are a democracy. We

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have preserved that. Um you know, my

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leader my this funny moment when Joe

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Biden came to Parliament Hill and I

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said, um, Mr. President, I'm Pierre

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Paul. I'm the leader of his majesty's

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loyal opposition. And he said, loyal

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opposition? How can you be loyal and

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opposition at the same time? I like what

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the hell are you talking about? And

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because you know you guys have a a

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system based on the a republic whereas

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ours is the British system and in our

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system

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the the opposition is an act of loyalty.

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That's what our system it means that if

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you are opposing the government

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you're doing it out of loyalty to the

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good of the people and our house of

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commons. You have a half circle in your

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congress. We have two sides in our

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parliament. It's two and a half sword

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lengths apart because they used to

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literally kill each other in the old

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English days. But the idea is the

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opposition is to prosecute the hell out

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of the government. Make the mighty low.

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The most powerful people in the country

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are supposed to tremble every time they

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walk in that place because know every

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mistake they made, every abuse of power,

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every corruption they might have done

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can be exposed and in front of all eyes.

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So our system is really designed to

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constrain the power of government

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through what we call parliament. Like I

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don't work for government. I work for

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parliament and parliament works for the

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people. We call it the house of commons

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because the it's the house of the common

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people. It's green in there because they

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used to meet in the in the fields of

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England. And so I really view the world

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of our parliament to limit the power of

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government to maximize the power of the

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people, make people bigger, stronger,

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and more fulfilled by having the

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government narrowly focus on the on the

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things it's supposed to do, roads,

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military, basic social safety net,

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borders, police, etc. but then leave

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people alone to live their lives. If I

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were to start a political party from

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scratch, it would be the mind your own

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damn business party, you know, just get

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the government to do its job well, do

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you know, do four or five things really

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well and then let people live their

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lives.

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>> Well, that sounds very reasonable.

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>> Yeah.

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>> Yeah. I mean, anybody that doesn't go

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along with that, anybody that's opposed

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to that, that doesn't even make sense.

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No, look, uh, like I said, the way I

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grew up and everything I've seen ever

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since, when I talk to farmers or factory

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workers, electricians, I find they know

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just as much or more than the so-called

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experts I encounter on Parliament Hill.

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Like back during CO when all these

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governments were printing money, uh, and

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all the politicians and bankers said,

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"Oh, this is great. Uh, well, look at

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all this money we get to spend." I'd

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walk around communities and I'd have

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like mechanics say, "You know, we're

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going to have inflation."

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And I would say, "Yeah, it makes sense

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to me." And I'd go back to Parliament

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Hill and the experts would all say, "No,

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no, there's not going to be any

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inflation." And sure enough, all that

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money filtered into the economy, bid up

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all the goods we buy, and and everybody

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got smoked with higher prices. But the

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point is that it was the it was the

00:21:22.798 --> 00:21:27.200
common people who don't study this stuff

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for a living, who don't read endless

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reports and studies, who could just

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figure out that if there's money pouring

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into the economy that's not matched by

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goods and services, it's going to bid up

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the cost of everything. So that's my

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experience in my my ideology is the

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common guy knows how to make his own

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decisions. We need to empower him to do

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that.

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>> Yeah. And just stay out of people's

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lives.

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>> Exactly. So there's a narrative in

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America and the narrative is that you

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were about to win and your party was

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about to win but then Trump came along

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and said he was going to turn Canada

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into the 51st state and everybody went

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crazy. Is that accurate?

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>> I wouldn't say they went crazy. I mean

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it like they got very upset though. I

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mean

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>> it's a crazy thing to say.

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>> It is a crazy thing to say. Canada's not

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for sale. We're never going to be the

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51st state. Uh, you know, we love

00:22:11.759 --> 00:22:17.038
Americans as neighbors and friends, but

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we we want to be can uniquely and we

00:22:17.038 --> 00:22:20.480
want to be sovereign as Canadians. It's

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our country. It's where we grow up.

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You're a patriot as an American. I'm a

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patriot as a Canadian. It's where my

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grandfather arrived. It's where our

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collective ancestors uh put on military

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uniforms and sailed to fight wars. It's

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where our grandkids are going to live.

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We're very proudly Canadian. So, we're

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never going to be the 51st state. And I

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I just wish he'd knock that [ __ ] off so

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that we can get back to talking about

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the things that that we can do as two

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separate but but two separate countries

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that are actually friends.

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>> Did that really have that much of an

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effect up there? Like did people take

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him seriously?

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>> I think at first everyone thought it was

00:22:55.519 --> 00:22:59.440
a joke because we've always had these

00:22:58.079 --> 00:23:01.678
jokes like you know one day we're going

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to take over Vermont and Detroit should

00:23:01.679 --> 00:23:05.840
be part of Canada and all that stuff.

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But then he kept saying it and saying it

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and uh you know it became un it became

00:23:10.319 --> 00:23:13.678
uh a lot of people got upset about it

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and I think understandably so.

00:23:13.679 --> 00:23:16.798
>> Understandably. Yeah. I mean it's a

00:23:15.839 --> 00:23:18.558
crazy thing to say.

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>> It is a crazy thing to say.

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>> I talked to the phone about it. It was

00:23:20.240 --> 00:23:23.359
like so funny. It's like at first I was

00:23:21.759 --> 00:23:24.960
joking but then people were like it's a

00:23:23.359 --> 00:23:26.479
good idea.

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>> That's not a good idea.

00:23:26.480 --> 00:23:31.440
>> Nobody's saying that. I can assure him

00:23:28.319 --> 00:23:32.798
of that. But uh and and and the tariffs

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aren't a good idea either. We should get

00:23:32.798 --> 00:23:37.759
the tariffs out because there's so much

00:23:35.119 --> 00:23:39.279
we could be doing together as neighbors

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and partners if we got rid of those

00:23:39.279 --> 00:23:43.839
tariffs. Um, you know, the I think what

00:23:42.480 --> 00:23:47.120
are the biggest problems in America

00:23:43.839 --> 00:23:48.959
today? Affordability, security, and we

00:23:47.119 --> 00:23:50.879
can help with both. We knock the tariffs

00:23:48.960 --> 00:23:52.640
down. Let's look at affordability. We

00:23:50.880 --> 00:23:54.799
got the fourth biggest supply of oil

00:23:52.640 --> 00:23:56.960
anywhere on Earth. You guys pay a huge

00:23:54.798 --> 00:23:59.200
price discount for our oil because we're

00:23:56.960 --> 00:24:01.679
effectively all our infrastructure to

00:23:59.200 --> 00:24:05.038
ship it is north south. And it's a very

00:24:01.679 --> 00:24:07.840
unique heavy oil. So we accept uh

00:24:05.038 --> 00:24:10.400
unfortunately and for now a price

00:24:07.839 --> 00:24:12.079
discount on the oil we send you which

00:24:10.400 --> 00:24:13.919
can translate into more jobs and

00:24:12.079 --> 00:24:16.158
paychecks but also lower energy prices.

00:24:13.919 --> 00:24:18.960
You've got $5 a gallon right now in lots

00:24:16.159 --> 00:24:21.039
of places in America. Uh you're buying I

00:24:18.960 --> 00:24:23.038
want to produce more so we can sell 2

00:24:21.038 --> 00:24:25.119
million more barrels of Canadian oil

00:24:23.038 --> 00:24:28.079
into the US market. And then there's

00:24:25.119 --> 00:24:30.000
there's housing. You've got huge housing

00:24:28.079 --> 00:24:31.759
uh pressures on young people. they can't

00:24:30.000 --> 00:24:34.240
afford a place to live. We're the

00:24:31.759 --> 00:24:36.879
biggest supplier of of lumber for home

00:24:34.240 --> 00:24:38.480
building uh of any country that imports

00:24:36.880 --> 00:24:40.320
to the United States, exports to the

00:24:38.480 --> 00:24:42.319
United States. Uh we've got very low

00:24:40.319 --> 00:24:44.798
cost but high quality softwood lumber we

00:24:42.319 --> 00:24:48.558
could be shipping or the best truck the

00:24:44.798 --> 00:24:51.440
bestselling truck in America for 45

00:24:48.558 --> 00:24:53.918
years now is the Ford series. It's

00:24:51.440 --> 00:24:57.038
aluminum. It's a it's a militaryra

00:24:53.919 --> 00:24:58.320
aluminum body. You guys can't make

00:24:57.038 --> 00:25:00.960
enough aluminum here. don't have enough

00:24:58.319 --> 00:25:02.879
boxite or electricity to to convert it

00:25:00.960 --> 00:25:04.880
into aluminum and aluminum. You get your

00:25:02.880 --> 00:25:06.640
your aluminum from us. A tariff does not

00:25:04.880 --> 00:25:08.960
bring the production to America. It

00:25:06.640 --> 00:25:10.480
raises the price of the aluminum and

00:25:08.960 --> 00:25:12.960
therefore the F- series truck. Get rid

00:25:10.480 --> 00:25:15.599
of that tariff. You lower taxes. You

00:25:12.960 --> 00:25:17.600
lower the cost of an F-ser truck for the

00:25:15.599 --> 00:25:21.038
for the miner in Appalachia or the

00:25:17.599 --> 00:25:22.959
electrician in Ohio. And and that's just

00:25:21.038 --> 00:25:25.359
on the affordability side. There's a lot

00:25:22.960 --> 00:25:27.679
we can do with our minerals to make the

00:25:25.359 --> 00:25:29.519
continent a hell of a lot safer as well.

00:25:27.679 --> 00:25:32.640
So, I think it's in America's interest

00:25:29.519 --> 00:25:35.839
to to come towards a a tariff-free deal

00:25:32.640 --> 00:25:37.360
and and trade freely as friends and uh

00:25:35.839 --> 00:25:38.879
that will be good for both of us.

00:25:37.359 --> 00:25:39.599
>> Have you had conversations with Trump

00:25:38.880 --> 00:25:42.320
about this?

00:25:39.599 --> 00:25:44.399
>> No. I I I believe in the rule of uh one

00:25:42.319 --> 00:25:46.158
prime minister at a time. So, I fought

00:25:44.400 --> 00:25:48.798
like hell to win. I didn't win. We came

00:25:46.159 --> 00:25:50.559
very close. So, I I've said, "Listen,

00:25:48.798 --> 00:25:53.038
I'll leave it to the prime minister to

00:25:50.558 --> 00:25:54.399
do the negotiating." and I've said I'll

00:25:53.038 --> 00:25:55.839
support him anyway I can. Even in my

00:25:54.400 --> 00:25:57.679
visit down here, I'm sending him text

00:25:55.839 --> 00:26:00.480
messages to tell him what's going on to

00:25:57.679 --> 00:26:01.919
try and support his work cuz what we

00:26:00.480 --> 00:26:03.519
want we both want what's best for

00:26:01.919 --> 00:26:05.200
Canada.

00:26:03.519 --> 00:26:07.679
>> Where are your elections now? When do

00:26:05.200 --> 00:26:10.880
you have the next elections?

00:26:07.679 --> 00:26:12.000
>> That's um this is a a strangely hard

00:26:10.880 --> 00:26:13.360
question to answer because

00:26:12.000 --> 00:26:14.000
>> I know you have a weird system.

00:26:13.359 --> 00:26:16.079
>> Yeah, it's

00:26:14.000 --> 00:26:18.079
>> weird in comparison to ours rather.

00:26:16.079 --> 00:26:19.519
>> Yours are fixed. Um, as you know, ours,

00:26:18.079 --> 00:26:20.879
we have technically fixed election

00:26:19.519 --> 00:26:23.119
dates, but they but the government can

00:26:20.880 --> 00:26:25.120
fall at any time. It's very simple uh

00:26:23.119 --> 00:26:26.959
rule is that if the opposition parties

00:26:25.119 --> 00:26:28.319
bind up and they can vote down the

00:26:26.960 --> 00:26:30.000
government, that is to say, the majority

00:26:28.319 --> 00:26:31.200
of MPs in the House say we've lost

00:26:30.000 --> 00:26:33.278
confidence in the government, the

00:26:31.200 --> 00:26:35.600
election is now. Or if the prime

00:26:33.278 --> 00:26:36.880
minister uh decides he wants an

00:26:35.599 --> 00:26:40.000
election, he can call it and the

00:26:36.880 --> 00:26:43.039
election is now. But uh he it has to be

00:26:40.000 --> 00:26:45.038
sometime in the next roughly 3 years.

00:26:43.038 --> 00:26:47.679
>> Oh, so you have a deadline where it has

00:26:45.038 --> 00:26:49.599
to take place. Yeah, that's right. So,

00:26:47.679 --> 00:26:52.320
>> but it could happen tomorrow.

00:26:49.599 --> 00:26:54.000
>> The it wouldn't necessarily be tomorrow,

00:26:52.319 --> 00:26:56.000
but like you know in the next few weeks

00:26:54.000 --> 00:26:58.558
if there were a non-confidence vote and

00:26:56.000 --> 00:27:00.079
they government lost it, then then they

00:26:58.558 --> 00:27:01.918
then they go to an election. So, it's

00:27:00.079 --> 00:27:02.558
kind of like the British system.

00:27:01.919 --> 00:27:03.919
>> Interesting.

00:27:02.558 --> 00:27:05.678
>> Yeah. Well, it is the British system

00:27:03.919 --> 00:27:07.440
really. We we we adopted the British

00:27:05.679 --> 00:27:10.080
system almost identically.

00:27:07.440 --> 00:27:12.400
>> So, when you're campaigning, you're

00:27:10.079 --> 00:27:14.399
essentially this is like a long game.

00:27:12.400 --> 00:27:16.320
>> Yeah. You're you're just laying out your

00:27:14.400 --> 00:27:18.798
strategy, laying out what you would do

00:27:16.319 --> 00:27:21.519
to make Canada a better place.

00:27:18.798 --> 00:27:22.960
>> Yeah. Well, we have two roles. So, I I

00:27:21.519 --> 00:27:25.119
said I'm the leader of the opposition,

00:27:22.960 --> 00:27:27.440
but I'm also prime minister in waiting.

00:27:25.119 --> 00:27:28.639
So, the notion is that the Canadian

00:27:27.440 --> 00:27:29.679
people should not only have a

00:27:28.640 --> 00:27:31.360
government, but they should have an

00:27:29.679 --> 00:27:34.000
alternative. And that alternative has

00:27:31.359 --> 00:27:35.439
two functions. Official opposition, it's

00:27:34.000 --> 00:27:38.159
actually called that. I think it's a

00:27:35.440 --> 00:27:40.880
proper noun, capital O official, capital

00:27:38.159 --> 00:27:42.960
Opposition. And also government in

00:27:40.880 --> 00:27:45.200
waiting. So you have to be prosecuting

00:27:42.960 --> 00:27:46.960
the government, but you have to present

00:27:45.200 --> 00:27:48.798
to yourself yourself to people in a way

00:27:46.960 --> 00:27:51.278
where they say, "Yeah, that guy or that

00:27:48.798 --> 00:27:52.798
team could actually be the government."

00:27:51.278 --> 00:27:53.839
Those are the dual roles that I have to

00:27:52.798 --> 00:27:57.839
carry out.

00:27:53.839 --> 00:27:59.839
>> Interesting. And how long have you been

00:27:57.839 --> 00:28:01.599
attempting to become prime minister for?

00:27:59.839 --> 00:28:04.079
How long has this been going on for?

00:28:01.599 --> 00:28:07.119
>> Uh almost exactly four years because I

00:28:04.079 --> 00:28:09.119
launched my campaign in uh February of

00:28:07.119 --> 00:28:11.119
2022. Was this something that you had

00:28:09.119 --> 00:28:13.278
always had in the back of your mind or

00:28:11.119 --> 00:28:15.359
>> I I I I'd say in the back of my mind,

00:28:13.278 --> 00:28:17.679
but it wasn't something I was set on.

00:28:15.359 --> 00:28:21.119
Like uh I I thought maybe, you know,

00:28:17.679 --> 00:28:23.759
when I'm in my 50s or 60s, I would try

00:28:21.119 --> 00:28:24.639
it. Uh but I was in no rush to do that.

00:28:23.759 --> 00:28:26.319
>> How old are you now?

00:28:24.640 --> 00:28:30.320
>> I'm now 46.

00:28:26.319 --> 00:28:34.319
>> And so what motivated you to do it?

00:28:30.319 --> 00:28:37.038
Well, you know, in after CO uh as CO was

00:28:34.319 --> 00:28:39.759
unfolding, it wasn't just the the the CO

00:28:37.038 --> 00:28:41.599
policies themselves. It was the economic

00:28:39.759 --> 00:28:44.480
policies because I've been very focused

00:28:41.599 --> 00:28:46.959
on economics in my parliamentary career.

00:28:44.480 --> 00:28:48.720
And I was seeing the size and cost of

00:28:46.960 --> 00:28:51.360
government, not just in Canada, but all

00:28:48.720 --> 00:28:53.679
around the world growing so much and

00:28:51.359 --> 00:28:56.000
that inflation was just destroying the

00:28:53.679 --> 00:28:59.679
workingclass people and that it was

00:28:56.000 --> 00:29:01.278
going to get a lot worse. And so I I ran

00:28:59.679 --> 00:29:03.679
on the platform of making Canada the

00:29:01.278 --> 00:29:06.960
freest country on earth. Uh that we had

00:29:03.679 --> 00:29:08.559
a a tradition of freedom in Canada. Our

00:29:06.960 --> 00:29:10.159
our one of our earliest prime ministers,

00:29:08.558 --> 00:29:12.240
Wilfrid Laurier, was asked what's your

00:29:10.159 --> 00:29:14.960
what's Canada's nationality. And he

00:29:12.240 --> 00:29:16.399
couldn't actually list an ethnicity or a

00:29:14.960 --> 00:29:18.399
religion because we were already mixed

00:29:16.398 --> 00:29:19.599
up even 100 years ago. We had Scots and

00:29:18.398 --> 00:29:21.519
Irish and

00:29:19.599 --> 00:29:23.359
>> first peoples. So he said, "Look, yeah,

00:29:21.519 --> 00:29:26.240
French, French, most of all French and

00:29:23.359 --> 00:29:28.558
English and first first nations." So he

00:29:26.240 --> 00:29:30.000
said um

00:29:28.558 --> 00:29:32.480
Canada is free and freedom is its

00:29:30.000 --> 00:29:34.319
nationality. And I wanted to reinstate

00:29:32.480 --> 00:29:36.720
that idea. I wanted it to be the freest

00:29:34.319 --> 00:29:38.398
country anywhere on earth. And uh so I

00:29:36.720 --> 00:29:41.200
ran on that platform and won the

00:29:38.398 --> 00:29:42.879
leadership and then uh ran in the last

00:29:41.200 --> 00:29:44.480
election and stayed on after that

00:29:42.880 --> 00:29:49.278
election. So that's kind of the the last

00:29:44.480 --> 00:29:51.278
four years of my journey. And so the way

00:29:49.278 --> 00:29:53.200
your elections work now, so you you're

00:29:51.278 --> 00:29:55.278
essentially just stating your case and

00:29:53.200 --> 00:29:57.200
going around and talking about what

00:29:55.278 --> 00:29:59.200
policies you would implement and how you

00:29:57.200 --> 00:30:01.919
would do things differently and just

00:29:59.200 --> 00:30:06.480
waiting to see how it all plays out.

00:30:01.919 --> 00:30:07.919
>> It's we have um see our our our prime

00:30:06.480 --> 00:30:09.440
minister is different than than the

00:30:07.919 --> 00:30:11.759
president. He's actually part of the

00:30:09.440 --> 00:30:14.000
legislative branch. So he comes in to

00:30:11.759 --> 00:30:16.398
the House of Commons and we debate

00:30:14.000 --> 00:30:18.640
multiple times a week, he and I. So it's

00:30:16.398 --> 00:30:20.398
not just, you know, in your system the

00:30:18.640 --> 00:30:22.159
the Republican and Democrat hold like

00:30:20.398 --> 00:30:23.839
four debates right before the pre the

00:30:22.159 --> 00:30:25.600
election. In our system, we're always

00:30:23.839 --> 00:30:27.599
debating. So he comes in, he's on one

00:30:25.599 --> 00:30:29.439
side, I come in, I'm on the other side,

00:30:27.599 --> 00:30:31.519
and I ask him like six consecutive

00:30:29.440 --> 00:30:33.679
questions, and then he answers, and we

00:30:31.519 --> 00:30:34.879
go back and forth, and that's called

00:30:33.679 --> 00:30:36.720
question period. Then we have these

00:30:34.880 --> 00:30:39.200
committees where we prosecute and

00:30:36.720 --> 00:30:40.960
propose uh on finance, natural

00:30:39.200 --> 00:30:42.880
resources, healthcare, you name it. So

00:30:40.960 --> 00:30:44.640
we're constantly prosecuting the

00:30:42.880 --> 00:30:46.880
government, also proposing better ideas

00:30:44.640 --> 00:30:48.720
at the same time. So like the other day

00:30:46.880 --> 00:30:50.480
I proposed to to bring back the auto

00:30:48.720 --> 00:30:52.480
pack between Canada and the US to have

00:30:50.480 --> 00:30:54.720
tariff-free trade going both ways across

00:30:52.480 --> 00:30:56.480
the the border. So that's an example of

00:30:54.720 --> 00:30:58.240
how I'm in a position to actually offer

00:30:56.480 --> 00:30:59.919
solutions even though I'm not in the

00:30:58.240 --> 00:31:01.440
government and then hopefully government

00:30:59.919 --> 00:31:03.600
actually steals my ideas and I've been

00:31:01.440 --> 00:31:05.038
encouraging them to steal my ideas.

00:31:03.599 --> 00:31:06.558
>> So what

00:31:05.038 --> 00:31:09.440
>> is this coffee by the way? I need some

00:31:06.558 --> 00:31:13.278
caffeine. Yeah, some caffeine there.

00:31:09.440 --> 00:31:15.679
>> I'm a terrible caffeine addict.

00:31:13.278 --> 00:31:17.119
>> Me too. Cheers.

00:31:15.679 --> 00:31:18.640
Cheers.

00:31:17.119 --> 00:31:19.678
>> Oh, and shout out to George St. Pierre

00:31:18.640 --> 00:31:22.720
for hooking this up.

00:31:19.679 --> 00:31:24.880
>> Yes, George is a good man. Great guy. Uh

00:31:22.720 --> 00:31:26.480
he uh he said he's going to have me do

00:31:24.880 --> 00:31:27.520
some pad work with him at some point.

00:31:26.480 --> 00:31:28.880
Really? That's pretty dangerous.

00:31:27.519 --> 00:31:29.359
>> Oh, that's awesome. He's here all the

00:31:28.880 --> 00:31:30.559
time.

00:31:29.359 --> 00:31:32.479
>> He's a fantastic guy.

00:31:30.558 --> 00:31:35.200
>> He's the best. He's one of the best

00:31:32.480 --> 00:31:37.120
representatives of martial arts you you

00:31:35.200 --> 00:31:38.960
could ever hope to meet. He's got

00:31:37.119 --> 00:31:40.719
humility. I remember he came to

00:31:38.960 --> 00:31:42.319
Parliament Hill uh years ago and I

00:31:40.720 --> 00:31:44.399
thought, geez, he's going to be because

00:31:42.319 --> 00:31:46.960
he's I thought he'd be cocky and

00:31:44.398 --> 00:31:47.918
swagger, but he was so down to earth. So

00:31:46.960 --> 00:31:50.720
much humility

00:31:47.919 --> 00:31:52.640
>> for what he's accomplished in MMA. I've

00:31:50.720 --> 00:31:54.880
I've introduced him to people and they

00:31:52.640 --> 00:31:56.480
have no idea who he is. And then I go,

00:31:54.880 --> 00:31:58.159
that is one of the greatest fighters

00:31:56.480 --> 00:32:01.278
that ever walked the face of the earth.

00:31:58.159 --> 00:32:03.278
Absolutely. No way. He's so nice.

00:32:01.278 --> 00:32:07.919
>> And that's the Canadian way though. Like

00:32:03.278 --> 00:32:08.240
it's softspoken and gentle and kind but

00:32:07.919 --> 00:32:09.440
>> tough.

00:32:08.240 --> 00:32:10.880
>> Don't don't piss us off.

00:32:09.440 --> 00:32:13.440
>> Yeah, but tough.

00:32:10.880 --> 00:32:14.880
>> That's where Trump [ __ ] up.

00:32:13.440 --> 00:32:17.120
>> I wonder what would have happened if he

00:32:14.880 --> 00:32:19.840
didn't go along with that 51st state

00:32:17.119 --> 00:32:21.199
nonsense, you know? I mean, that that is

00:32:19.839 --> 00:32:22.879
the narrative in this country, like I

00:32:21.200 --> 00:32:23.840
said, that if he didn't do that, that

00:32:22.880 --> 00:32:25.760
you would have won.

00:32:23.839 --> 00:32:28.079
>> Well, you never know. But I I try not to

00:32:25.759 --> 00:32:31.278
cry over spilled milk. I focus on what I

00:32:28.079 --> 00:32:35.119
have to do and live in the present. Um

00:32:31.278 --> 00:32:36.480
but uh but this new guy um

00:32:35.119 --> 00:32:37.119
Mealot, have you have you followed him?

00:32:36.480 --> 00:32:37.919
Mike Malot.

00:32:37.119 --> 00:32:39.038
>> Oh, sure. I know Mike.

00:32:37.919 --> 00:32:41.360
>> Yeah. He's going to be fighting in

00:32:39.038 --> 00:32:42.158
Winnipeg. I think he's the next GSP.

00:32:41.359 --> 00:32:42.719
>> He's very good.

00:32:42.159 --> 00:32:43.840
>> You like him?

00:32:42.720 --> 00:32:46.159
>> Yeah, he's excellent. Yeah,

00:32:43.839 --> 00:32:47.439
>> he did a great job in Montreal if you

00:32:46.159 --> 00:32:49.440
saw him there. But maybe

00:32:47.440 --> 00:32:51.440
>> Oh, yeah. I've been to many of his

00:32:49.440 --> 00:32:52.320
called bunch of his fights. Excellent.

00:32:51.440 --> 00:32:54.399
Yeah, he's excellent.

00:32:52.319 --> 00:32:57.200
>> Yeah, he's uh my buddy is his trainer,

00:32:54.398 --> 00:33:00.319
Crew Crew Allen Hamalg

00:32:57.200 --> 00:33:03.278
>> uh in um in Hamilton. He's a Hamilton

00:33:00.319 --> 00:33:04.720
steel uh steel town guy and uh anywhere

00:33:03.278 --> 00:33:06.159
we're hoping that he has a big win in

00:33:04.720 --> 00:33:07.679
Winnipeg. So

00:33:06.159 --> 00:33:09.760
>> well you guys have one of the best gyms

00:33:07.679 --> 00:33:10.080
in the world, Tristar in Montreal. Is

00:33:09.759 --> 00:33:12.480
that right?

00:33:10.079 --> 00:33:15.599
>> Fasa Habi who's the

00:33:12.480 --> 00:33:18.480
>> if there there's like maybe a handful of

00:33:15.599 --> 00:33:20.319
great masterminds in in MMA as far as

00:33:18.480 --> 00:33:20.720
coaches and Kas is at the top of the

00:33:20.319 --> 00:33:22.158
list.

00:33:20.720 --> 00:33:23.360
>> Is that right? And what's his

00:33:22.159 --> 00:33:25.519
>> He trained GSP.

00:33:23.359 --> 00:33:28.079
>> Is his discipline karate or kickboxing

00:33:25.519 --> 00:33:29.919
Muay Thai? I mean, he's I mean, he's a

00:33:28.079 --> 00:33:32.879
true mixed martial artist. Black belt

00:33:29.919 --> 00:33:34.799
and jiu-jitsu, kickboxing, every I mean,

00:33:32.880 --> 00:33:36.960
he can do everything. And he has an

00:33:34.798 --> 00:33:38.480
Tristar is a place where a lot of people

00:33:36.960 --> 00:33:39.120
from America go up there for their

00:33:38.480 --> 00:33:39.759
camps.

00:33:39.119 --> 00:33:40.239
>> Interesting.

00:33:39.759 --> 00:33:41.759
>> Yeah.

00:33:40.240 --> 00:33:43.679
>> I have to drop in and see those guys.

00:33:41.759 --> 00:33:45.519
>> Oh, it's phenomenal. I mean, like I

00:33:43.679 --> 00:33:47.038
said, GSP trained up there. A lot a lot

00:33:45.519 --> 00:33:48.640
of fighters trained up there. And he

00:33:47.038 --> 00:33:50.480
also had a great working relationship

00:33:48.640 --> 00:33:52.720
with a lot of people in America. So he

00:33:50.480 --> 00:33:54.798
would come down and, you know, they

00:33:52.720 --> 00:33:56.319
would exchange fighters back and forth

00:33:54.798 --> 00:33:58.079
and train with each other.

00:33:56.319 --> 00:33:59.519
>> Yeah. Well, we have a great martial arts

00:33:58.079 --> 00:34:01.599
tradition in Canada. Um, I don't know if

00:33:59.519 --> 00:34:05.200
you know Mike Miles, he brought Muay

00:34:01.599 --> 00:34:07.678
Thai from from Thailand to uh Calgary

00:34:05.200 --> 00:34:10.320
like back in 7 in the 70s or 80s and he

00:34:07.679 --> 00:34:11.838
still got a great gym there. And uh,

00:34:10.320 --> 00:34:13.280
>> do you know who Jean Tero is?

00:34:11.838 --> 00:34:13.918
>> Yes, he's a buddy of mine. Really? From

00:34:13.280 --> 00:34:14.720
Ottawa? Yeah.

00:34:13.918 --> 00:34:15.440
>> Oh, no kidding.

00:34:14.719 --> 00:34:17.279
>> Yeah, he

00:34:15.440 --> 00:34:18.720
>> he was a hero of mine when I was a kid.

00:34:17.280 --> 00:34:21.119
>> Yeah, he's incredible. When I was

00:34:18.719 --> 00:34:21.678
kickboxing, he was like my idol.

00:34:21.119 --> 00:34:22.079
>> Really?

00:34:21.679 --> 00:34:23.599
>> Yeah.

00:34:22.079 --> 00:34:24.639
>> Does he know that?

00:34:23.599 --> 00:34:25.519
>> I never talked to him.

00:34:24.639 --> 00:34:26.559
>> Well, he's going to see this.

00:34:25.519 --> 00:34:26.960
>> I bought his book.

00:34:26.559 --> 00:34:28.398
>> Yeah,

00:34:26.960 --> 00:34:30.320
>> I bought his book. I started running

00:34:28.398 --> 00:34:31.679
stairs because of his book cuz he was

00:34:30.320 --> 00:34:33.039
talking about how it increased his leg

00:34:31.679 --> 00:34:34.480
muscles and his kicking power.

00:34:33.039 --> 00:34:36.000
>> I remember that. It was in one of his

00:34:34.480 --> 00:34:37.440
documentaries or something. He said his

00:34:36.000 --> 00:34:39.280
kicks weren't strong enough, so he would

00:34:37.440 --> 00:34:41.918
do stairs. But I went and trading at his

00:34:39.280 --> 00:34:44.879
dojo a few times. It's in South Ottawa.

00:34:41.918 --> 00:34:47.759
>> Uh he was incredible. He was uh he was

00:34:44.878 --> 00:34:48.480
one of the truly elite kickboxers of his

00:34:47.760 --> 00:34:50.560
time.

00:34:48.480 --> 00:34:52.639
>> He he he was a great boxer. Like I know

00:34:50.559 --> 00:34:54.719
he he never competed as a boxer, but his

00:34:52.639 --> 00:34:56.079
his hands were fantastic. And

00:34:54.719 --> 00:34:58.000
>> well, that's really what separated him

00:34:56.079 --> 00:35:00.560
from a lot of other people was like his

00:34:58.000 --> 00:35:03.679
accuracy and his technique was pristine.

00:35:00.559 --> 00:35:06.719
>> He told me that he would spend hours

00:35:03.679 --> 00:35:08.799
studying the the distances that your

00:35:06.719 --> 00:35:11.279
limbs would have to travel depending on

00:35:08.800 --> 00:35:13.519
how you moved. He was kind of uh like a

00:35:11.280 --> 00:35:16.320
scientist in the way he learned and

00:35:13.519 --> 00:35:19.920
studied and he was all about simplicity

00:35:16.320 --> 00:35:21.440
and removing anything unnecessary. Uh I

00:35:19.920 --> 00:35:24.320
think Bruce Lee said that he said

00:35:21.440 --> 00:35:25.760
simplicity hack away at the unnecessary

00:35:24.320 --> 00:35:28.400
>> and uh you know how do you what's the

00:35:25.760 --> 00:35:30.480
shortest distance to to hit the strike

00:35:28.400 --> 00:35:33.519
>> and um he's got a great he has a really

00:35:30.480 --> 00:35:36.159
good heart too you know he had um

00:35:33.519 --> 00:35:37.599
>> he has a jiu-jitsu club as well

00:35:36.159 --> 00:35:39.598
>> and when I went in there there was a

00:35:37.599 --> 00:35:40.880
blind fellow who was into jiu-jitsu

00:35:39.599 --> 00:35:42.559
which you can do as a blind person

00:35:40.880 --> 00:35:44.480
because it's so much about feel

00:35:42.559 --> 00:35:45.679
>> but with co he couldn't do jiu-jitsu

00:35:44.480 --> 00:35:48.320
anymore because they they they

00:35:45.679 --> 00:35:50.239
disallowed that kind of up close contact

00:35:48.320 --> 00:35:52.240
so He actually found a way to train this

00:35:50.239 --> 00:35:54.719
guy with focus mitts even though he was

00:35:52.239 --> 00:35:56.078
blind. It was really incredible. Oh wow.

00:35:54.719 --> 00:35:57.439
>> Yeah. It was just but it it was

00:35:56.079 --> 00:35:59.200
incredible amount of patience he had

00:35:57.440 --> 00:36:00.639
invested in making sure this this young

00:35:59.199 --> 00:36:02.078
man could keep doing his physical

00:36:00.639 --> 00:36:04.159
activity throughout co

00:36:02.079 --> 00:36:05.839
>> Wait a minute. So they allowed pad work

00:36:04.159 --> 00:36:06.960
but they didn't allow jiu-jitsu.

00:36:05.838 --> 00:36:08.960
>> I don't know if it was a government

00:36:06.960 --> 00:36:10.559
policy or if it was just it was a policy

00:36:08.960 --> 00:36:13.599
at the gym because you know you're just

00:36:10.559 --> 00:36:15.440
so wrapped up and sweating and I'll le

00:36:13.599 --> 00:36:16.160
the gyms in America everybody just

00:36:15.440 --> 00:36:18.240
>> just kept going.

00:36:16.159 --> 00:36:20.719
>> Kept going. They hid. They would like

00:36:18.239 --> 00:36:22.559
put foil over the windows and like hide

00:36:20.719 --> 00:36:24.399
or come in through the back door. A lot

00:36:22.559 --> 00:36:25.519
of the gyms in LA, that's what they did.

00:36:24.400 --> 00:36:28.079
>> They just plowed ahead.

00:36:25.519 --> 00:36:30.400
>> They just figured out a way to not get

00:36:28.079 --> 00:36:32.400
in trouble and and some people did get

00:36:30.400 --> 00:36:34.240
caught and get in trouble and nothing

00:36:32.400 --> 00:36:36.079
ever came of it because it's pretty

00:36:34.239 --> 00:36:38.319
unconstitutional to tell people that

00:36:36.079 --> 00:36:40.480
they can't work out together. Like the

00:36:38.320 --> 00:36:43.039
government really didn't have the right

00:36:40.480 --> 00:36:45.280
to tell people that they couldn't do

00:36:43.039 --> 00:36:47.039
what they wanted to do. That was a legal

00:36:45.280 --> 00:36:49.359
thing that you can do. Like all of a

00:36:47.039 --> 00:36:52.719
sudden there's this

00:36:49.358 --> 00:36:54.000
mandate, there's this law or rule being

00:36:52.719 --> 00:36:56.639
passed down or at least it's being

00:36:54.000 --> 00:36:59.280
promoted that you're not allowed to go

00:36:56.639 --> 00:37:01.358
to a gym and work out with other people.

00:36:59.280 --> 00:37:02.960
Like, but those are the healthiest

00:37:01.358 --> 00:37:05.358
people. Those are the people that are

00:37:02.960 --> 00:37:07.920
least likely to get sick. Like this this

00:37:05.358 --> 00:37:10.239
is crazy to say. And you know, if you're

00:37:07.920 --> 00:37:11.519
sick and if you just have a good gym

00:37:10.239 --> 00:37:13.519
with good people, say, "Hey, don't show

00:37:11.519 --> 00:37:15.199
up if you're sick." Everybody should be

00:37:13.519 --> 00:37:17.119
okay. These are the people you should

00:37:15.199 --> 00:37:19.358
worry about the least.

00:37:17.119 --> 00:37:20.800
>> We need to have common sense again. And

00:37:19.358 --> 00:37:22.559
uh too many governments in the Western

00:37:20.800 --> 00:37:24.800
world have gone way too bossy. They're

00:37:22.559 --> 00:37:27.279
just looking for every excuse to boss

00:37:24.800 --> 00:37:28.720
people around. And uh that's what we

00:37:27.280 --> 00:37:32.480
have to push back again. and it's you

00:37:28.719 --> 00:37:36.399
know EV mandates or um you know

00:37:32.480 --> 00:37:39.039
excessive uh control of the internet or

00:37:36.400 --> 00:37:40.079
um the massive increase in the cost of

00:37:39.039 --> 00:37:42.320
government which is really like

00:37:40.079 --> 00:37:44.240
appropriating the private voluntary

00:37:42.320 --> 00:37:46.480
economy into the coercive government

00:37:44.239 --> 00:37:49.279
economy. Uh that's uh that's what we're

00:37:46.480 --> 00:37:51.838
seeing across Europe in the UK parts of

00:37:49.280 --> 00:37:54.079
the United States as well as uh back

00:37:51.838 --> 00:37:55.920
home. So we need to we need to reverse

00:37:54.079 --> 00:37:57.680
that trend and get people back in charge

00:37:55.920 --> 00:37:59.599
of their lives. Well, the narrative has

00:37:57.679 --> 00:38:02.639
always been that

00:37:59.599 --> 00:38:05.039
rights lost are never regained or are

00:38:02.639 --> 00:38:07.279
very very difficult to regain them. So,

00:38:05.039 --> 00:38:08.800
how could you reverse that?

00:38:07.280 --> 00:38:12.720
>> Well, you have to keep fighting. I mean,

00:38:08.800 --> 00:38:15.920
we did regain uh our rights uh after co

00:38:12.719 --> 00:38:18.319
and you know the the people have to look

00:38:15.920 --> 00:38:20.240
look at the history of it. How did

00:38:18.320 --> 00:38:21.920
>> which rights did you regain?

00:38:20.239 --> 00:38:23.598
>> Well, the all the mandates are gone now,

00:38:21.920 --> 00:38:24.240
>> of course, but those were ridiculous

00:38:23.599 --> 00:38:26.720
anyway.

00:38:24.239 --> 00:38:28.319
>> Yeah, they were ridiculous. But uh a lot

00:38:26.719 --> 00:38:30.159
>> and they also impeded business. They

00:38:28.320 --> 00:38:31.359
they ruined people's lives, social

00:38:30.159 --> 00:38:34.159
lives.

00:38:31.358 --> 00:38:36.078
>> But freedom has always had to be taken.

00:38:34.159 --> 00:38:38.719
Like you go our tradition goes back to

00:38:36.079 --> 00:38:40.400
to 1215 with the Magna Carta, the great

00:38:38.719 --> 00:38:41.759
charter. And most of the freedoms we

00:38:40.400 --> 00:38:45.119
have today were in that original

00:38:41.760 --> 00:38:47.280
document. Right to a jury trial, uh no

00:38:45.119 --> 00:38:49.519
arrest without charge, no conf comp

00:38:47.280 --> 00:38:51.519
confiscation without compensation, no

00:38:49.519 --> 00:38:53.358
taxation without representation. All

00:38:51.519 --> 00:38:56.559
comes from that one document, the Magna

00:38:53.358 --> 00:38:58.159
Carta. And uh it was because King John

00:38:56.559 --> 00:39:00.000
was taken aside by the barrens and they

00:38:58.159 --> 00:39:02.159
said, "Listen, pal, this is the choice.

00:39:00.000 --> 00:39:04.880
Either you sign this and follow it or we

00:39:02.159 --> 00:39:07.039
overthrow you." And as a result, we got

00:39:04.880 --> 00:39:09.358
the Magna Carta and all of when you guys

00:39:07.039 --> 00:39:11.759
had your Boston Tea Party and said, "You

00:39:09.358 --> 00:39:14.639
can't tax our tea cuz we don't elect

00:39:11.760 --> 00:39:16.160
you." That was an appeal as you were

00:39:14.639 --> 00:39:17.759
Englishmen saying I'm not we're

00:39:16.159 --> 00:39:19.358
Englishmen. We have the right not to be

00:39:17.760 --> 00:39:21.200
taxed unless we vote for it and we're

00:39:19.358 --> 00:39:22.719
going to throw you out otherwise. But

00:39:21.199 --> 00:39:26.799
that came out of the fields of Runny

00:39:22.719 --> 00:39:28.559
Meat in England in 1215. So it's a long

00:39:26.800 --> 00:39:30.320
march towards freedom and it's never

00:39:28.559 --> 00:39:32.159
actually done. Like there's no permanent

00:39:30.320 --> 00:39:34.160
victories or defeats. You just have to

00:39:32.159 --> 00:39:36.639
keep going forward.

00:39:34.159 --> 00:39:38.559
>> So if you were elected, let's say you

00:39:36.639 --> 00:39:40.879
get in right now, what what's one of the

00:39:38.559 --> 00:39:43.358
first things you would do?

00:39:40.880 --> 00:39:44.800
>> I would unblock our resources. So we

00:39:43.358 --> 00:39:48.960
have the most resources of any country

00:39:44.800 --> 00:39:50.400
in the world per capita, bar none. We

00:39:48.960 --> 00:39:51.838
need to have to make it happen though.

00:39:50.400 --> 00:39:53.838
We need to have the fastest permits

00:39:51.838 --> 00:39:56.559
anywhere in the world and the lowest

00:39:53.838 --> 00:39:58.719
taxes on producing those resources.

00:39:56.559 --> 00:40:01.199
We're the fourth in oil, the number

00:39:58.719 --> 00:40:03.439
number one in uranium, number one in pot

00:40:01.199 --> 00:40:06.960
ash for fertilizer. We have the fifth

00:40:03.440 --> 00:40:09.760
biggest supplier of natural gas. We have

00:40:06.960 --> 00:40:13.519
um the longest oceanic coastline. Like

00:40:09.760 --> 00:40:16.320
we are we have 12 of NATO's

00:40:13.519 --> 00:40:19.199
um sorry we have 10 of 12 of NATO's

00:40:16.320 --> 00:40:21.760
defined defense minerals. So, you know,

00:40:19.199 --> 00:40:22.799
you had that guy Palmer Lucky on. I

00:40:21.760 --> 00:40:24.880
don't think he can make his stuff

00:40:22.800 --> 00:40:26.320
without Canadian minerals. Maybe I'm

00:40:24.880 --> 00:40:28.640
wrong, maybe he'll correct me, but like

00:40:26.320 --> 00:40:30.800
night vision technology, you need to

00:40:28.639 --> 00:40:33.279
have uh you need to have germanmanium

00:40:30.800 --> 00:40:36.400
for that. You need to have ga galium to

00:40:33.280 --> 00:40:38.560
make uh semiconductors and radar. You

00:40:36.400 --> 00:40:41.119
need to have aluminum for armored

00:40:38.559 --> 00:40:43.279
vehicles and uh airplanes. You need

00:40:41.119 --> 00:40:46.640
cobalt for heat resistant alloys and

00:40:43.280 --> 00:40:50.079
fighter jets. You need tungsten for uh

00:40:46.639 --> 00:40:52.559
body, sorry, um uh armor-piercing ammun

00:40:50.079 --> 00:40:54.960
ammunition. We have it all. And what I

00:40:52.559 --> 00:40:56.639
want to do is unblock those resources,

00:40:54.960 --> 00:40:59.199
produce them in abundance for ourselves

00:40:56.639 --> 00:41:01.598
and our allies, make, you know, $200,000

00:40:59.199 --> 00:41:03.838
paychecks for our trades workers, build

00:41:01.599 --> 00:41:06.240
up an enormous strategic stockpile of

00:41:03.838 --> 00:41:08.239
it, so that we have tons of leverage in

00:41:06.239 --> 00:41:10.239
international relations, and if, god

00:41:08.239 --> 00:41:11.838
forbid, there is ever a global conflict,

00:41:10.239 --> 00:41:14.639
we would have all the resources

00:41:11.838 --> 00:41:16.159
necessary to win it. So uh but we need

00:41:14.639 --> 00:41:18.799
to we need to pass we need to get rid of

00:41:16.159 --> 00:41:21.199
a lot of laws that are blocking and and

00:41:18.800 --> 00:41:22.880
replace them with laws that have fast

00:41:21.199 --> 00:41:25.598
permitting so that we can produce this

00:41:22.880 --> 00:41:28.160
stuff uh on scale very quickly. So is

00:41:25.599 --> 00:41:31.280
the concern the environmental

00:41:28.159 --> 00:41:32.960
impact of extracting these things?

00:41:31.280 --> 00:41:35.040
>> Is that what's holding it up?

00:41:32.960 --> 00:41:38.720
>> That is the

00:41:35.039 --> 00:41:41.039
that's the ostensible reason. But I just

00:41:38.719 --> 00:41:45.358
think across western the western world

00:41:41.039 --> 00:41:47.039
like Europe, UK, parts of the US and

00:41:45.358 --> 00:41:49.759
Canada, there's a problem with

00:41:47.039 --> 00:41:52.719
bureaucracy just growing way too damn

00:41:49.760 --> 00:41:54.560
big. Like, you know, the First Nations

00:41:52.719 --> 00:41:56.879
in our country are incredibly

00:41:54.559 --> 00:41:59.279
forward-looking. The Squamish built

00:41:56.880 --> 00:42:01.920
6,000 units of housing on 10 acres of

00:41:59.280 --> 00:42:03.440
land. You can believe it. In a town in a

00:42:01.920 --> 00:42:04.880
city of Vancouver where it's very hard

00:42:03.440 --> 00:42:06.880
to get a permit to do anything because

00:42:04.880 --> 00:42:08.318
it was their land, so they did it.

00:42:06.880 --> 00:42:11.280
They're trying to build they're building

00:42:08.318 --> 00:42:14.400
now an LG liquefaction plant where they

00:42:11.280 --> 00:42:17.119
replaced uh an old 30 mil. They cleaned

00:42:14.400 --> 00:42:18.720
it up and put an LG plant there, but the

00:42:17.119 --> 00:42:22.000
federal government took a lot of time,

00:42:18.719 --> 00:42:23.759
14 years to give them a permit. So, we

00:42:22.000 --> 00:42:26.000
need to think like they're thinking,

00:42:23.760 --> 00:42:28.560
which is entrepreneurial, speed of

00:42:26.000 --> 00:42:30.719
business, get it done quickly. Um,

00:42:28.559 --> 00:42:32.639
that's how you develop like we have this

00:42:30.719 --> 00:42:34.879
community in my my district. It's called

00:42:32.639 --> 00:42:37.598
Hardesty, 600 people. They manage a

00:42:34.880 --> 00:42:40.559
hundred billion dollars of oil in a town

00:42:37.599 --> 00:42:42.960
of 600 people. Why is it there? because

00:42:40.559 --> 00:42:46.000
their municipality offers a permit in

00:42:42.960 --> 00:42:47.519
one week with one page. And I wanted to

00:42:46.000 --> 00:42:48.880
tell this story. So I called them and I

00:42:47.519 --> 00:42:49.838
said, "Can I have someone come and do a

00:42:48.880 --> 00:42:51.838
video with me?" And they said, "We don't

00:42:49.838 --> 00:42:53.279
have anyone here. We don't have like

00:42:51.838 --> 00:42:54.639
bureaucrats that can help you." Like

00:42:53.280 --> 00:42:55.920
they're all out on their farms right

00:42:54.639 --> 00:42:57.838
now. They come in, they stamp the

00:42:55.920 --> 00:42:59.119
permit, and they go back to their farm.

00:42:57.838 --> 00:43:00.639
Well, that's why we have a hundred

00:42:59.119 --> 00:43:02.240
billion dollars of energy moving through

00:43:00.639 --> 00:43:03.920
the area, which is bigger than the GDP

00:43:02.239 --> 00:43:05.598
of many countries because they have fast

00:43:03.920 --> 00:43:07.039
permits. And that's what we need in

00:43:05.599 --> 00:43:09.119
Canada. We need to be the fastest place

00:43:07.039 --> 00:43:11.679
to get things done. But don't you think

00:43:09.119 --> 00:43:13.838
you need some safeguards to protect the

00:43:11.679 --> 00:43:14.480
environment? And how do you balance that

00:43:13.838 --> 00:43:16.559
out?

00:43:14.480 --> 00:43:18.639
>> Protect it quickly. We can figure out

00:43:16.559 --> 00:43:21.279
what what whether a project is damaging

00:43:18.639 --> 00:43:22.879
to the environment in weeks and months

00:43:21.280 --> 00:43:24.560
rather than decades. Like there's

00:43:22.880 --> 00:43:25.920
nothing you're going to learn in year 14

00:43:24.559 --> 00:43:29.440
of the review that you couldn't have

00:43:25.920 --> 00:43:31.039
learned in in month 14. So there's ways

00:43:29.440 --> 00:43:32.880
to protect the environment. when the

00:43:31.039 --> 00:43:35.199
Germans So when the Germans had to break

00:43:32.880 --> 00:43:38.960
their dependence on Russia after it

00:43:35.199 --> 00:43:41.358
invaded Ukraine, they approved an an LNG

00:43:38.960 --> 00:43:43.280
import terminal in 60 days. They

00:43:41.358 --> 00:43:45.598
completed the whole damn thing in less

00:43:43.280 --> 00:43:47.519
than 200 days. And guess what? No

00:43:45.599 --> 00:43:48.960
environmental problems. They they got

00:43:47.519 --> 00:43:51.119
their engineers to sit down and figure

00:43:48.960 --> 00:43:52.639
out how to do it quickly. And that's the

00:43:51.119 --> 00:43:53.920
that's the mentality that we need to get

00:43:52.639 --> 00:43:57.039
in Canada.

00:43:53.920 --> 00:43:59.599
>> So what would you be able to do to

00:43:57.039 --> 00:44:02.159
bypass all this bureaucracy? How could

00:43:59.599 --> 00:44:04.000
that be done legally?

00:44:02.159 --> 00:44:06.159
>> Well, you slim it down to one project,

00:44:04.000 --> 00:44:09.440
one environmental review instead of 20

00:44:06.159 --> 00:44:11.039
or 30. You have uh a fixed timeline that

00:44:09.440 --> 00:44:13.200
the bureaucrats have to give an answer

00:44:11.039 --> 00:44:16.000
of 6 months rather than just as long as

00:44:13.199 --> 00:44:17.439
they want to drag it on for. Um, and the

00:44:16.000 --> 00:44:19.119
other thing I would do is study areas

00:44:17.440 --> 00:44:21.440
where they're they're perfectly situated

00:44:19.119 --> 00:44:23.760
to have a project like a pipeline or a

00:44:21.440 --> 00:44:25.838
mine or an LG export terminal or a port

00:44:23.760 --> 00:44:27.599
expansion. And I would pre-permit it. I

00:44:25.838 --> 00:44:29.039
would say to our officials, go in,

00:44:27.599 --> 00:44:30.880
study, make sure that the environmental

00:44:29.039 --> 00:44:32.639
aspects are all in good order. I will

00:44:30.880 --> 00:44:34.160
issue a pre-permit and then anybody who

00:44:32.639 --> 00:44:35.679
comes along and wants to build it, as

00:44:34.159 --> 00:44:37.838
long as they follow the terms and act

00:44:35.679 --> 00:44:40.639
responsibly, has a guaranteed permit

00:44:37.838 --> 00:44:42.559
before they even apply for it. Uh, and

00:44:40.639 --> 00:44:44.799
uh, that I think we would have a roaring

00:44:42.559 --> 00:44:46.880
economy if we did that.

00:44:44.800 --> 00:44:49.920
>> That sounds awesome. But the the great

00:44:46.880 --> 00:44:51.760
fear is that if you do have an impact on

00:44:49.920 --> 00:44:53.920
the environment, that impact is often

00:44:51.760 --> 00:44:57.359
permanent and that it's devastating. And

00:44:53.920 --> 00:44:59.119
I I've seen some of the oil extraction

00:44:57.358 --> 00:45:01.920
that they've done up in Alberta. When

00:44:59.119 --> 00:45:02.800
you look at the area, it looks like like

00:45:01.920 --> 00:45:05.119
scorched earth.

00:45:02.800 --> 00:45:07.200
>> No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. It's the

00:45:05.119 --> 00:45:07.599
most responsible oil extraction in the

00:45:07.199 --> 00:45:10.399
world.

00:45:07.599 --> 00:45:12.160
>> But when you when you see these, what is

00:45:10.400 --> 00:45:12.800
that one area that often gets

00:45:12.159 --> 00:45:13.598
criticized?

00:45:12.800 --> 00:45:14.318
>> Fort Mac.

00:45:13.599 --> 00:45:16.160
>> Is that what it is?

00:45:14.318 --> 00:45:18.159
>> Yeah. It's they're open pit mines. You

00:45:16.159 --> 00:45:20.960
you open up a mine, you take out the you

00:45:18.159 --> 00:45:23.838
take out the bumen. um you subtract you

00:45:20.960 --> 00:45:25.760
you separate the sand from the oil, you

00:45:23.838 --> 00:45:27.440
you make it less viscous by putting

00:45:25.760 --> 00:45:29.359
diluent in it and and you ship it off

00:45:27.440 --> 00:45:31.760
and then after the oil is after the

00:45:29.358 --> 00:45:33.440
mining is done, they they resurface it

00:45:31.760 --> 00:45:34.160
and you wouldn't even know there was a

00:45:33.440 --> 00:45:36.559
mine there

00:45:34.159 --> 00:45:38.078
>> and there's no impact to groundwater, no

00:45:36.559 --> 00:45:40.400
impact to the environment.

00:45:38.079 --> 00:45:41.839
>> I mean, there's an impact no matter what

00:45:40.400 --> 00:45:43.200
you do, but at the end of the day, the

00:45:41.838 --> 00:45:44.799
people who live there are very healthy

00:45:43.199 --> 00:45:46.559
and very happy and they're the strongest

00:45:44.800 --> 00:45:48.079
supporters of the expansion of the oil

00:45:46.559 --> 00:45:49.119
sands. It's an incredible

00:45:48.079 --> 00:45:50.318
>> because economically it's

00:45:49.119 --> 00:45:52.880
>> Oh, it's incredible. It's the best

00:45:50.318 --> 00:45:54.639
resource in the world. So, it's like uh

00:45:52.880 --> 00:45:56.559
there's no decline rate. You guys have

00:45:54.639 --> 00:45:58.239
shale here, but you know, as the years

00:45:56.559 --> 00:46:01.119
go by, you get less and less out of a

00:45:58.239 --> 00:46:02.959
shale uh reservoir. We we have very

00:46:01.119 --> 00:46:05.358
little decline. We can keep producing

00:46:02.960 --> 00:46:07.760
and producing. Uh we have um what's

00:46:05.358 --> 00:46:09.838
called insitu where there's an entire

00:46:07.760 --> 00:46:11.440
oil sands operation under your feet. You

00:46:09.838 --> 00:46:12.719
could be out in a forest hunting and you

00:46:11.440 --> 00:46:14.079
wouldn't even know that under your feet

00:46:12.719 --> 00:46:16.078
they're extracting it through a whole

00:46:14.079 --> 00:46:18.240
system of pipes where they inject just

00:46:16.079 --> 00:46:20.000
steam steam vapor that loosens up the

00:46:18.239 --> 00:46:22.399
oil. It sinks down. It goes into another

00:46:20.000 --> 00:46:24.480
pipe, comes up to the top and you can

00:46:22.400 --> 00:46:27.280
have beautiful pristine nature. The

00:46:24.480 --> 00:46:28.318
bears, the the uh the deer, the birds,

00:46:27.280 --> 00:46:29.920
they don't even know that there's

00:46:28.318 --> 00:46:32.000
extraction happening under their feet.

00:46:29.920 --> 00:46:33.680
So, we have the best industry, the most

00:46:32.000 --> 00:46:36.880
responsible industry anywhere in the

00:46:33.679 --> 00:46:38.960
world. It's been a a really disgusting

00:46:36.880 --> 00:46:40.960
PR campaign by extremist

00:46:38.960 --> 00:46:42.880
environmentalists and frankly some of

00:46:40.960 --> 00:46:44.400
our competitors to try and make our

00:46:42.880 --> 00:46:45.200
industry look bad. But it's the best

00:46:44.400 --> 00:46:46.240
industry in the world.

00:46:45.199 --> 00:46:46.639
>> Yeah, they got me.

00:46:46.239 --> 00:46:48.159
>> Yeah,

00:46:46.639 --> 00:46:49.759
>> I saw some videos on it and I was like,

00:46:48.159 --> 00:46:51.039
"Oh my god, what are they doing to the

00:46:49.760 --> 00:46:52.000
ground? What are they doing to the

00:46:51.039 --> 00:46:54.318
earth? It looks horrible."

00:46:52.000 --> 00:46:54.800
>> They're all It's It's all [ __ ] We

00:46:54.318 --> 00:46:56.079
have the

00:46:54.800 --> 00:46:57.839
>> It looks horrible.

00:46:56.079 --> 00:46:59.359
>> Yeah, but I mean that's just a

00:46:57.838 --> 00:47:01.039
superficial look at it. You I'll take

00:46:59.358 --> 00:47:02.880
you for a tour in the oil sands. You'll

00:47:01.039 --> 00:47:04.559
be amazed. We have the best engineers in

00:47:02.880 --> 00:47:06.318
the world. And by the way, the First

00:47:04.559 --> 00:47:08.078
Nations people absolutely love it

00:47:06.318 --> 00:47:10.159
because it's lifting their people out of

00:47:08.079 --> 00:47:12.000
poverty. They're getting enormous job

00:47:10.159 --> 00:47:15.199
opportunities out of it. One of our MPs

00:47:12.000 --> 00:47:17.358
is a former chief uh where they took uh

00:47:15.199 --> 00:47:19.439
18% unemployment, brought it down to

00:47:17.358 --> 00:47:20.880
three, balanced their budget. Another

00:47:19.440 --> 00:47:22.639
one of my members of parliament in

00:47:20.880 --> 00:47:26.079
Northern British Columbia negotiated a

00:47:22.639 --> 00:47:28.400
$40 billion LNG plant on his uh on the

00:47:26.079 --> 00:47:30.000
Heisla territory. It's completely

00:47:28.400 --> 00:47:32.400
eliminating poverty for the First

00:47:30.000 --> 00:47:34.239
Nations there. And by exporting clean

00:47:32.400 --> 00:47:36.880
Canadian natural gas, which we can

00:47:34.239 --> 00:47:40.000
liquefy 25% cheaper because it's cold as

00:47:36.880 --> 00:47:42.160
hell in Canada, um they uh actually

00:47:40.000 --> 00:47:44.000
displace dirty coal overseas. So instead

00:47:42.159 --> 00:47:46.559
of Asia burning coal, they're burning

00:47:44.000 --> 00:47:48.559
clean Canadian gas uh that's delivered

00:47:46.559 --> 00:47:50.559
by First Nations partnership. So this is

00:47:48.559 --> 00:47:53.199
the best way to do it. Makes everybody

00:47:50.559 --> 00:47:54.000
richer and makes our entire continent

00:47:53.199 --> 00:47:56.000
better off. Well,

00:47:54.000 --> 00:47:57.440
>> it seems so simple the way you're laying

00:47:56.000 --> 00:47:59.760
it out. I don't understand why this

00:47:57.440 --> 00:48:01.679
hasn't been implemented.

00:47:59.760 --> 00:48:03.280
Yeah, this is this is the the story of

00:48:01.679 --> 00:48:05.919
my life. Uh it's frustrating.

00:48:03.280 --> 00:48:08.000
>> Is it that but it's if is it that

00:48:05.920 --> 00:48:09.760
simple? Is it really that this is what's

00:48:08.000 --> 00:48:11.760
holding everything up? The bureaucracy

00:48:09.760 --> 00:48:12.560
and the the time it takes for permits

00:48:11.760 --> 00:48:15.200
and

00:48:12.559 --> 00:48:17.039
>> Yeah. Like a lot of things. We have the

00:48:15.199 --> 00:48:18.078
same thing in housing and and so do you

00:48:17.039 --> 00:48:20.159
like if you look at

00:48:18.079 --> 00:48:21.760
>> you look California is terrible. Like

00:48:20.159 --> 00:48:23.759
why is there such a housing shortage in

00:48:21.760 --> 00:48:25.280
California? It's because it takes

00:48:23.760 --> 00:48:27.359
forever to get a permit and there's

00:48:25.280 --> 00:48:28.720
always bureaucracy standing in the way

00:48:27.358 --> 00:48:30.400
and it totally screws over the

00:48:28.719 --> 00:48:31.759
workingclass youth who can't find a

00:48:30.400 --> 00:48:34.318
place to live because they're not being

00:48:31.760 --> 00:48:36.720
built. And uh we have that challenge in

00:48:34.318 --> 00:48:38.400
Canada as well. So that's why I proposed

00:48:36.719 --> 00:48:40.558
ideas to cut the bureaucracy and the

00:48:38.400 --> 00:48:42.720
taxes so that we can build affordable

00:48:40.559 --> 00:48:43.920
homes for our youth cuz right now we

00:48:42.719 --> 00:48:46.078
have a whole generation that can't

00:48:43.920 --> 00:48:47.920
afford homes. And that was one of the

00:48:46.079 --> 00:48:51.119
biggest issues I ran on. Home ownership

00:48:47.920 --> 00:48:53.119
is necessary for family formation, for

00:48:51.119 --> 00:48:54.400
civil peace in society where, you know,

00:48:53.119 --> 00:48:57.039
everybody feels like they have a piece

00:48:54.400 --> 00:48:58.880
of the pie. Um, we need to expand home

00:48:57.039 --> 00:49:00.318
ownership. But to do that, you've got to

00:48:58.880 --> 00:49:02.318
get the government gatekeepers out of

00:49:00.318 --> 00:49:05.358
the way, speed up the permits, free up

00:49:02.318 --> 00:49:08.480
the land, cut the development taxes.

00:49:05.358 --> 00:49:11.759
>> So, let's assume that you got in office.

00:49:08.480 --> 00:49:13.280
How much time would it take to start

00:49:11.760 --> 00:49:16.000
implementing these things? And how

00:49:13.280 --> 00:49:17.599
quickly would that impact be felt by the

00:49:16.000 --> 00:49:18.880
Canadian people?

00:49:17.599 --> 00:49:20.480
>> Look, I think a lot of them could move

00:49:18.880 --> 00:49:22.318
very quickly. There's a lot of projects

00:49:20.480 --> 00:49:24.159
that are pe that that investors are

00:49:22.318 --> 00:49:26.239
sitting on, but they don't have uh

00:49:24.159 --> 00:49:28.000
certainty and permits. So, I would

00:49:26.239 --> 00:49:30.159
unblock that. And I think in the first

00:49:28.000 --> 00:49:32.960
year, you would start to see immediate

00:49:30.159 --> 00:49:36.078
benefits uh for the working people who'd

00:49:32.960 --> 00:49:37.440
be getting these jobs. Um, some of it

00:49:36.079 --> 00:49:40.400
would take more and more like a

00:49:37.440 --> 00:49:42.639
medium-term. Like the second thing I

00:49:40.400 --> 00:49:46.160
would go after is just the inflationary

00:49:42.639 --> 00:49:49.440
spending which is a big problem all over

00:49:46.159 --> 00:49:51.118
the western world. Like people just

00:49:49.440 --> 00:49:52.800
can't afford to live. I don't know if

00:49:51.119 --> 00:49:53.358
you you do do you you encounter that

00:49:52.800 --> 00:49:56.480
around here?

00:49:53.358 --> 00:49:58.880
>> Oh yeah. Yeah. I mean inflation is crazy

00:49:56.480 --> 00:50:00.800
>> and it's I mean the national debt in

00:49:58.880 --> 00:50:02.800
America just went up to 39 trillion,

00:50:00.800 --> 00:50:05.280
>> right? Which is bigger than your GDP.

00:50:02.800 --> 00:50:09.839
>> It's a lot of money. So, so explain this

00:50:05.280 --> 00:50:12.319
to me. 50 years ago, a barber and a a

00:50:09.838 --> 00:50:14.400
barber and a waitress could buy a house

00:50:12.318 --> 00:50:16.000
with a big yard for a dog and raise four

00:50:14.400 --> 00:50:18.318
kids, meat and potatoes on the dinner

00:50:16.000 --> 00:50:22.159
table every night. And now an accountant

00:50:18.318 --> 00:50:24.079
and a lawyer can't do that. Why is that?

00:50:22.159 --> 00:50:26.558
>> Well, there's a lot of spending and a

00:50:24.079 --> 00:50:31.039
lot of making money. lot of just

00:50:26.559 --> 00:50:32.319
turning, you know, just just making

00:50:31.039 --> 00:50:34.159
>> dollar bills

00:50:32.318 --> 00:50:34.719
>> with nothing behind it, nothing to back

00:50:34.159 --> 00:50:37.358
it.

00:50:34.719 --> 00:50:39.919
>> This is the biggest fraud perpetrated on

00:50:37.358 --> 00:50:40.719
the workingclass people in the last

00:50:39.920 --> 00:50:42.318
hundred years.

00:50:40.719 --> 00:50:44.159
>> Printing money is just insane. It's just

00:50:42.318 --> 00:50:46.639
the the idea you just print more money.

00:50:44.159 --> 00:50:48.719
It's like and people go, "Oh, okay."

00:50:46.639 --> 00:50:50.480
>> Well, it looks it looks painless at

00:50:48.719 --> 00:50:53.679
first, but if you have an economy with

00:50:50.480 --> 00:50:55.599
10 apples and $10, it's a buck an apple.

00:50:53.679 --> 00:50:58.558
You double the number of dollars to 20,

00:50:55.599 --> 00:50:59.760
but you still only have 10 apples. Well,

00:50:58.559 --> 00:51:01.839
all of a sudden, it's two bucks an

00:50:59.760 --> 00:51:04.079
apple. It's not that the cost of apples

00:51:01.838 --> 00:51:05.679
has gone up. It still costs the same

00:51:04.079 --> 00:51:07.680
resources to grow the and pick the

00:51:05.679 --> 00:51:09.199
apples. Is that the the price has gone

00:51:07.679 --> 00:51:10.318
up because the value of the money has

00:51:09.199 --> 00:51:14.318
gone down, right?

00:51:10.318 --> 00:51:15.920
>> So, in America over the last 55 years,

00:51:14.318 --> 00:51:18.079
you've doubled the number of homes in

00:51:15.920 --> 00:51:19.838
America from about 70 million to 150

00:51:18.079 --> 00:51:23.039
million. You know how much the money

00:51:19.838 --> 00:51:27.358
supply has grown? 30 times. So you have

00:51:23.039 --> 00:51:30.079
twice the homes but 30 times the cash.

00:51:27.358 --> 00:51:33.519
So what's happened? Housing costs have

00:51:30.079 --> 00:51:35.200
gone up 15fold in 55 years. And now an

00:51:33.519 --> 00:51:36.719
entire generation of kids can't afford

00:51:35.199 --> 00:51:39.439
homes. We have exactly the same problem

00:51:36.719 --> 00:51:42.799
in Canada. Uh this is the biggest wealth

00:51:39.440 --> 00:51:45.039
transfer from the working class to the

00:51:42.800 --> 00:51:48.079
the elites from uh I say the h have nots

00:51:45.039 --> 00:51:49.440
to the have yachts and Washington and

00:51:48.079 --> 00:51:51.599
Wall Street love it by the way because

00:51:49.440 --> 00:51:53.599
it inflates the stock market inflates

00:51:51.599 --> 00:51:56.318
the bureaucracy. Politicians get to

00:51:53.599 --> 00:51:59.359
spend. CEOs get their stocks uh

00:51:56.318 --> 00:52:01.440
inflated. Um but it destroys the working

00:51:59.358 --> 00:52:03.759
people. And we need to get back to to

00:52:01.440 --> 00:52:05.519
hard money. Everything should be getting

00:52:03.760 --> 00:52:08.000
cheaper by the way. You know, it takes

00:52:05.519 --> 00:52:09.920
80 60 to 80% less resources to grow

00:52:08.000 --> 00:52:12.000
food. We grow four times the food on the

00:52:09.920 --> 00:52:15.358
same acre, get four times as much milk

00:52:12.000 --> 00:52:16.960
from the same cow. We use 80% less water

00:52:15.358 --> 00:52:19.838
and fertilizer. So why isn't it that

00:52:16.960 --> 00:52:22.240
food is not less expensive? It's because

00:52:19.838 --> 00:52:24.960
all of those gains are being erased by

00:52:22.239 --> 00:52:26.799
monetary inflation. So it's not that

00:52:24.960 --> 00:52:28.800
food is more costly, it's that the

00:52:26.800 --> 00:52:32.000
value, the money we use to buy it has

00:52:28.800 --> 00:52:33.440
less uh purchasing power. And uh we need

00:52:32.000 --> 00:52:34.800
to do what the Swiss do, which is they

00:52:33.440 --> 00:52:37.358
don't print money. They have balanced

00:52:34.800 --> 00:52:39.359
budgets. They have almost no deficit.

00:52:37.358 --> 00:52:40.960
And they have almost zero inflation in

00:52:39.358 --> 00:52:43.440
Switzerland. They have the strongest

00:52:40.960 --> 00:52:45.599
money in the world, the Swiss Frank. And

00:52:43.440 --> 00:52:48.000
uh we would all be better if we operated

00:52:45.599 --> 00:52:48.640
like the Swiss when it comes to our

00:52:48.000 --> 00:52:51.199
money.

00:52:48.639 --> 00:52:53.440
>> So in a real world scenario, it's like

00:52:51.199 --> 00:52:54.799
you you take over Canada. How would you

00:52:53.440 --> 00:52:58.159
go about implementing this?

00:52:54.800 --> 00:53:00.480
>> You got to cut bureaucracy, consultants,

00:52:58.159 --> 00:53:01.039
which consume, by the way, $26 billion

00:53:00.480 --> 00:53:02.960
of spending.

00:53:01.039 --> 00:53:04.880
>> How big is your debt in Canada? uh

00:53:02.960 --> 00:53:06.079
1.3ish trillion.

00:53:04.880 --> 00:53:08.800
>> Oh, that's baby debt.

00:53:06.079 --> 00:53:10.079
>> It's comp compared to you. You guys are

00:53:08.800 --> 00:53:11.519
you guys are ridiculous.

00:53:10.079 --> 00:53:13.519
>> Wild. But you know, you've gotten away

00:53:11.519 --> 00:53:15.599
with it because the dollar the American

00:53:13.519 --> 00:53:17.679
dollar is the reserve currency.

00:53:15.599 --> 00:53:19.280
>> So all these countries prop up the value

00:53:17.679 --> 00:53:21.759
of the US dollar by keeping it on

00:53:19.280 --> 00:53:22.160
reserve. Um better hope that doesn't

00:53:21.760 --> 00:53:23.200
change.

00:53:22.159 --> 00:53:26.639
>> Yeah, better hope.

00:53:23.199 --> 00:53:29.118
>> We we we don't have that luxury. And so

00:53:26.639 --> 00:53:30.558
uh but we do have a lot of debt and we

00:53:29.119 --> 00:53:33.119
have a lot we have provinces too.

00:53:30.559 --> 00:53:35.040
They're quite indebted. But um I would

00:53:33.119 --> 00:53:37.358
cut the bureaucracy. I would cut uh

00:53:35.039 --> 00:53:40.239
consultants, foreign aid. I'd cut way

00:53:37.358 --> 00:53:41.920
back on foreign aid. Uh the we give out

00:53:40.239 --> 00:53:43.358
corporate welfare, these checks to

00:53:41.920 --> 00:53:45.838
corporations. I believe business should

00:53:43.358 --> 00:53:47.679
make money rather than take money. So I

00:53:45.838 --> 00:53:50.799
would get rid of that. We're giving a

00:53:47.679 --> 00:53:54.879
lot of money to fake fake refugees. Um

00:53:50.800 --> 00:53:56.800
people who come in and don't uh actually

00:53:54.880 --> 00:53:58.960
or they're not actually fleeing danger.

00:53:56.800 --> 00:54:01.200
Um like I love real refugees. My wife

00:53:58.960 --> 00:54:02.800
was a refugee, but I have no time for

00:54:01.199 --> 00:54:03.358
people who are pretending, but they're

00:54:02.800 --> 00:54:04.800
not really.

00:54:03.358 --> 00:54:06.078
>> And what do you mean by pretending to be

00:54:04.800 --> 00:54:07.440
a refugee? How are they doing this?

00:54:06.079 --> 00:54:10.000
>> They're not actually endangered in their

00:54:07.440 --> 00:54:13.358
home country. So, they've come to be

00:54:10.000 --> 00:54:15.119
declared themselves as students and then

00:54:13.358 --> 00:54:15.838
wanting to stay, declaring a refugee

00:54:15.119 --> 00:54:17.358
status.

00:54:15.838 --> 00:54:19.599
>> Oh, and this is common.

00:54:17.358 --> 00:54:20.558
>> Yeah, it happens. It happens. And I

00:54:19.599 --> 00:54:22.079
mean, they just want to have a better

00:54:20.559 --> 00:54:24.720
life. So I don't I don't begrudge them

00:54:22.079 --> 00:54:27.359
as people, but we can't we can't spend

00:54:24.719 --> 00:54:29.759
money on social service to enhance

00:54:27.358 --> 00:54:32.078
social services, advanced programs that

00:54:29.760 --> 00:54:32.880
we as Canadians don't get for people who

00:54:32.079 --> 00:54:33.920
are not paying into.

00:54:32.880 --> 00:54:36.640
>> So you're not opposed to them being

00:54:33.920 --> 00:54:38.960
there. You're opposed to them getting

00:54:36.639 --> 00:54:40.639
>> I'm opposed to them if if they're not

00:54:38.960 --> 00:54:42.800
real refugees, they shouldn't be brought

00:54:40.639 --> 00:54:44.480
in as refugees. I think we have to

00:54:42.800 --> 00:54:45.920
distinguish between those people who are

00:54:44.480 --> 00:54:48.159
actually in danger in their home

00:54:45.920 --> 00:54:50.079
country, which is the definition of an a

00:54:48.159 --> 00:54:53.358
refugee, and someone who just wants to

00:54:50.079 --> 00:54:54.960
come uh in in excess of uh of their

00:54:53.358 --> 00:54:56.639
their proper immigration.

00:54:54.960 --> 00:54:59.199
>> Is it that common that it's actually

00:54:56.639 --> 00:55:00.960
affecting our economy?

00:54:59.199 --> 00:55:02.719
>> Right now, it's a challenge because um

00:55:00.960 --> 00:55:04.159
we had a big number of international

00:55:02.719 --> 00:55:06.639
students and temporary foreign workers

00:55:04.159 --> 00:55:09.199
that came in in very large numbers in

00:55:06.639 --> 00:55:11.279
like 2 or 3 years. um we were bringing

00:55:09.199 --> 00:55:12.960
in about a million people a year which

00:55:11.280 --> 00:55:14.400
in in America's terms would be 10

00:55:12.960 --> 00:55:17.199
million like just if you're doing per

00:55:14.400 --> 00:55:20.480
capita and it really caused a housing

00:55:17.199 --> 00:55:22.239
shortage um like some places where you

00:55:20.480 --> 00:55:24.800
have 26 of these students living in one

00:55:22.239 --> 00:55:26.159
basement. Um so we're trying to unwind

00:55:24.800 --> 00:55:28.318
that now

00:55:26.159 --> 00:55:29.920
>> and how how do you do that?

00:55:28.318 --> 00:55:32.318
>> Well, when their work permit and their

00:55:29.920 --> 00:55:35.119
visitor visa runs out, then we have to

00:55:32.318 --> 00:55:36.800
encourage them to to head back um

00:55:35.119 --> 00:55:39.358
lawfully,

00:55:36.800 --> 00:55:39.839
>> right? But you don't want to do it ICE

00:55:39.358 --> 00:55:41.440
style.

00:55:39.838 --> 00:55:43.519
>> No. No. I don't think we need to do

00:55:41.440 --> 00:55:45.119
that. I just think we have to be orderly

00:55:43.519 --> 00:55:46.880
and lawful about it.

00:55:45.119 --> 00:55:47.280
>> And is that supported by the Canadian

00:55:46.880 --> 00:55:48.960
people?

00:55:47.280 --> 00:55:50.798
>> Yes. Because we're a very welcoming

00:55:48.960 --> 00:55:54.400
country. We're a nation of immigrants,

00:55:50.798 --> 00:55:56.400
but we're also a nation of laws. And we

00:55:54.400 --> 00:55:58.400
the there's a general consensus like

00:55:56.400 --> 00:56:00.639
across the the spectrum in Canada that

00:55:58.400 --> 00:56:03.760
there there was the the population

00:56:00.639 --> 00:56:06.480
growth was too fast for like four or

00:56:03.760 --> 00:56:08.640
five years. And uh so we're we're trying

00:56:06.480 --> 00:56:10.240
to unwind that. Now,

00:56:08.639 --> 00:56:13.838
>> um what are what are the other things

00:56:10.239 --> 00:56:17.598
that you would have to do to drop your

00:56:13.838 --> 00:56:19.599
debt and sort of balance your budget and

00:56:17.599 --> 00:56:21.760
begin to turn things around?

00:56:19.599 --> 00:56:23.280
>> Well, in addition, so I I I like this

00:56:21.760 --> 00:56:25.520
idea that actually, believe it or not,

00:56:23.280 --> 00:56:28.640
the Clint that Bill Clinton and the

00:56:25.519 --> 00:56:30.880
Republicans did in the '9s in the US. It

00:56:28.639 --> 00:56:32.480
was called the payo law. It was a very

00:56:30.880 --> 00:56:34.079
simple principle. Every time the

00:56:32.480 --> 00:56:36.159
administration wanted to bring in a new

00:56:34.079 --> 00:56:38.480
dollar of spending, they had to match it

00:56:36.159 --> 00:56:41.838
with a dollar of savings. So there was

00:56:38.480 --> 00:56:43.920
no extra net spending for like eight

00:56:41.838 --> 00:56:46.078
years. And that's when your government

00:56:43.920 --> 00:56:49.039
balanced its budget and paid off $400

00:56:46.079 --> 00:56:50.559
billion of debt. That law elapsed in

00:56:49.039 --> 00:56:53.199
2002.

00:56:50.559 --> 00:56:54.880
And immediately after that, America went

00:56:53.199 --> 00:56:56.399
back into deficits. And you haven't

00:56:54.880 --> 00:56:59.519
emerged. You've been in deficit now for

00:56:56.400 --> 00:57:00.880
25 years. This is about internalizing

00:56:59.519 --> 00:57:03.440
scarcity. Every creature in the

00:57:00.880 --> 00:57:04.960
universe, every bird in the trees, every

00:57:03.440 --> 00:57:07.200
fish in the seas has to live with

00:57:04.960 --> 00:57:09.119
scarcity, maximizing use of scarce

00:57:07.199 --> 00:57:11.838
resources. The only creature who doesn't

00:57:09.119 --> 00:57:13.599
do that is the politician because he's

00:57:11.838 --> 00:57:15.279
always using someone else's money,

00:57:13.599 --> 00:57:17.200
>> right? It's like, oh, I'll just print it

00:57:15.280 --> 00:57:18.000
or borrow it or tax it. It's not my

00:57:17.199 --> 00:57:20.960
money.

00:57:18.000 --> 00:57:22.480
>> And so, they routinely show up to their

00:57:20.960 --> 00:57:24.000
cabinet meetings and say, I've got a new

00:57:22.480 --> 00:57:25.358
idea. It's $100 million. Where are you

00:57:24.000 --> 00:57:27.119
going to get it? I don't know. We'll

00:57:25.358 --> 00:57:29.679
print it. We'll borrow it. We'll we'll

00:57:27.119 --> 00:57:31.119
tax it. Not my money. But if you had a

00:57:29.679 --> 00:57:32.399
law saying you can't actually bring a

00:57:31.119 --> 00:57:34.000
proposal to cabinet unless you have

00:57:32.400 --> 00:57:35.200
matching savings to pay for it, well

00:57:34.000 --> 00:57:36.639
then you'd have these politicians

00:57:35.199 --> 00:57:38.719
walking up and down the hallways in

00:57:36.639 --> 00:57:41.118
their departments looking for waste and

00:57:38.719 --> 00:57:43.519
like rooting it out. So instead of

00:57:41.119 --> 00:57:45.119
making the single mom, the senior or the

00:57:43.519 --> 00:57:46.719
small business owner live with scarcity,

00:57:45.119 --> 00:57:48.960
I want the politicians and bureaucrats

00:57:46.719 --> 00:57:51.199
to live with scarcity. And that's what I

00:57:48.960 --> 00:57:54.240
would impose by law on my government.

00:57:51.199 --> 00:57:57.679
>> Well, it's just a rational way to deal

00:57:54.239 --> 00:57:58.959
with the problem. like don't spend money

00:57:57.679 --> 00:57:59.598
unless you could save money.

00:57:58.960 --> 00:58:00.880
>> Exactly.

00:57:59.599 --> 00:58:03.039
>> That's how you balance things out. I

00:58:00.880 --> 00:58:03.440
mean, Clinton did balance the budget.

00:58:03.039 --> 00:58:04.960
>> He did

00:58:03.440 --> 00:58:06.240
>> during his time. And people forget that

00:58:04.960 --> 00:58:07.679
because we've always assumed that

00:58:06.239 --> 00:58:09.598
there's always been this extraordinary

00:58:07.679 --> 00:58:11.279
debt, but that's not the case. During

00:58:09.599 --> 00:58:13.680
the 1990s,

00:58:11.280 --> 00:58:14.160
>> I mean, it he did a fantastic job at

00:58:13.679 --> 00:58:15.759
that.

00:58:14.159 --> 00:58:17.440
>> Yeah. They I mean, it was that Congress

00:58:15.760 --> 00:58:18.960
was was very disciplined as well, and

00:58:17.440 --> 00:58:20.159
the American people just got fed up and

00:58:18.960 --> 00:58:22.480
said, "We're not tolerating these

00:58:20.159 --> 00:58:24.239
deficits anymore." And and they imposed

00:58:22.480 --> 00:58:25.838
scarcity from the center. And by the

00:58:24.239 --> 00:58:27.838
way, the economy boomed because the

00:58:25.838 --> 00:58:30.400
government was restrained. Then the free

00:58:27.838 --> 00:58:32.880
market economy could just roar. And

00:58:30.400 --> 00:58:35.920
that's uh another part of the equation,

00:58:32.880 --> 00:58:38.640
by the way, is unlock the power of free

00:58:35.920 --> 00:58:40.960
enterprise. Like this is the 250th

00:58:38.639 --> 00:58:43.279
anniversary, not just of the Declaration

00:58:40.960 --> 00:58:45.039
of Independence, but also of Adam

00:58:43.280 --> 00:58:46.798
Smith's Wealth of Nations, where he

00:58:45.039 --> 00:58:48.400
basically for the first time in human

00:58:46.798 --> 00:58:51.599
history described the free market

00:58:48.400 --> 00:58:53.519
system. And um that was starting to

00:58:51.599 --> 00:58:56.880
flourish in the states and in parts of

00:58:53.519 --> 00:58:58.559
Europe. And that system

00:58:56.880 --> 00:59:01.838
basically started to come into place

00:58:58.559 --> 00:59:03.680
after you know the late 1770s. The

00:59:01.838 --> 00:59:05.599
growth since the free market system has

00:59:03.679 --> 00:59:08.719
came in come into place in in the world

00:59:05.599 --> 00:59:11.200
has been 200 times faster than it was

00:59:08.719 --> 00:59:13.598
before because there's is the most

00:59:11.199 --> 00:59:15.519
powerful system for generating material

00:59:13.599 --> 00:59:17.039
benefit for the people and that's what

00:59:15.519 --> 00:59:20.079
we need to restore in Canada. I want to

00:59:17.039 --> 00:59:22.159
make it the freest economy in the world.

00:59:20.079 --> 00:59:25.640
Well, that all sounds amazing. How the

00:59:22.159 --> 00:59:25.639
hell did you lose?

00:59:29.199 --> 00:59:32.639
How can a rational person not vote for

00:59:31.199 --> 00:59:34.798
that? I mean, you're not saying anything

00:59:32.639 --> 00:59:37.358
that's restrictive. You're not saying

00:59:34.798 --> 00:59:40.239
anything that is in any way infringing

00:59:37.358 --> 00:59:42.318
on people's rights or liberties or It

00:59:40.239 --> 00:59:43.519
just sounds like it's all just 100%

00:59:42.318 --> 00:59:45.440
positive for Canada.

00:59:43.519 --> 00:59:47.199
>> That's what I think. That's that's my

00:59:45.440 --> 00:59:49.039
mission and I think it will be positive

00:59:47.199 --> 00:59:50.960
and we'll get there, you know. Um,

00:59:49.039 --> 00:59:53.119
Canadians do things through evolution,

00:59:50.960 --> 00:59:55.039
not revolution. So, I'm just going to

00:59:53.119 --> 00:59:56.798
keep pushing my ideas and I think that I

00:59:55.039 --> 00:59:57.759
think overwhelmingly we'll we'll win the

00:59:56.798 --> 01:00:00.480
next election.

00:59:57.760 --> 01:00:02.720
>> Well, it sounds like

01:00:00.480 --> 01:00:04.798
I I just can't see how someone would

01:00:02.719 --> 01:00:06.798
listen to what you're saying and say I

01:00:04.798 --> 01:00:09.838
find fault in this. Other than like the

01:00:06.798 --> 01:00:12.400
the potential environmental impact of

01:00:09.838 --> 01:00:13.838
extracting resources, I could see how a

01:00:12.400 --> 01:00:15.599
lot of the greenies would get like

01:00:13.838 --> 01:00:17.279
really upset and get their panties in a

01:00:15.599 --> 01:00:18.798
bunch about that and and be very

01:00:17.280 --> 01:00:20.079
incredulous to the idea that you're

01:00:18.798 --> 01:00:22.159
going to protect the environment while

01:00:20.079 --> 01:00:24.318
you're extracting all these resources.

01:00:22.159 --> 01:00:27.039
But if you could lay it all out and also

01:00:24.318 --> 01:00:29.679
lay out this enormous economic impact

01:00:27.039 --> 01:00:31.679
and how it would uplift impoverished

01:00:29.679 --> 01:00:34.000
communities, how it would completely

01:00:31.679 --> 01:00:35.199
change the economic landscape of the

01:00:34.000 --> 01:00:37.760
country,

01:00:35.199 --> 01:00:40.318
>> it just only makes sense. That's why I'm

01:00:37.760 --> 01:00:41.839
baffled.

01:00:40.318 --> 01:00:43.519
>> Well, listen, the people render their

01:00:41.838 --> 01:00:45.279
judgment, but I it means I have to do a

01:00:43.519 --> 01:00:46.880
better job of uh processing.

01:00:45.280 --> 01:00:50.160
>> What were the criticisms of you? like

01:00:46.880 --> 01:00:52.160
what did your opponent say that like

01:00:50.159 --> 01:00:52.639
people that resonated with people?

01:00:52.159 --> 01:00:53.679
>> Um

01:00:52.639 --> 01:00:56.000
>> what were they trying to say?

01:00:53.679 --> 01:00:57.358
>> It was funny because they all disagreed

01:00:56.000 --> 01:00:58.798
with my ideas and they said these are

01:00:57.358 --> 01:00:59.598
all very scary ideas.

01:00:58.798 --> 01:01:01.358
>> Scary

01:00:59.599 --> 01:01:03.039
>> and then they said first of all they

01:01:01.358 --> 01:01:05.039
said they said that I had no policies

01:01:03.039 --> 01:01:06.719
then they said uh they're scary policies

01:01:05.039 --> 01:01:09.519
and then they stole my policies right

01:01:06.719 --> 01:01:11.279
before the election. So uh but hey

01:01:09.519 --> 01:01:13.599
listen if the government that's in power

01:01:11.280 --> 01:01:15.040
now steals all my ideas and does the

01:01:13.599 --> 01:01:16.720
things I want to do then I then I've

01:01:15.039 --> 01:01:18.639
won. That's why I came here. I didn't

01:01:16.719 --> 01:01:20.798
just do it so that I could have the my

01:01:18.639 --> 01:01:22.798
name on the door. So, I keep saying to

01:01:20.798 --> 01:01:25.119
the prime minister, "Seal my ideas."

01:01:22.798 --> 01:01:28.318
>> Right. But he doesn't want to.

01:01:25.119 --> 01:01:31.200
>> Well, he uh I I won't criticize him on

01:01:28.318 --> 01:01:31.920
foreign soil. We'll uh but uh

01:01:31.199 --> 01:01:33.519
>> Good for you.

01:01:31.920 --> 01:01:33.760
>> Yeah. I mean, uh we have a mutual

01:01:33.519 --> 01:01:34.798
respect.

01:01:33.760 --> 01:01:36.799
>> That's such a Canadian thing to do.

01:01:34.798 --> 01:01:38.079
>> That is a very Canadian thing to do.

01:01:36.798 --> 01:01:39.759
>> So polite, you know,

01:01:38.079 --> 01:01:41.920
>> that's what I'm saying about Canadians.

01:01:39.760 --> 01:01:43.280
They're so polite. It's funny, your

01:01:41.920 --> 01:01:45.119
security guy was talking about the

01:01:43.280 --> 01:01:46.640
Canadian standoff of uh, you know, when

01:01:45.119 --> 01:01:47.920
you get to a door, you go first. No, you

01:01:46.639 --> 01:01:49.358
go first. No, you go first. You could

01:01:47.920 --> 01:01:51.599
stay there all day. I actually looked

01:01:49.358 --> 01:01:54.400
this up the other day. Ontario actually

01:01:51.599 --> 01:01:56.240
has an apology act. It's a law that

01:01:54.400 --> 01:01:58.079
defines the apology because we always

01:01:56.239 --> 01:02:00.000
say sorry in Canada. So, they wanted to

01:01:58.079 --> 01:02:01.839
clarify that sorry is not a legal

01:02:00.000 --> 01:02:03.519
admission of guilt. So, like if we get

01:02:01.838 --> 01:02:05.440
into a car accident, I say, "Oh, sorry

01:02:03.519 --> 01:02:07.519
man. I was terrible at your bumper. It

01:02:05.440 --> 01:02:10.400
doesn't mean that I'm guilty."

01:02:07.519 --> 01:02:13.039
So, it's actually in law. Even if

01:02:10.400 --> 01:02:15.358
somebody else screwed up, you say sorry.

01:02:13.039 --> 01:02:17.519
That's funny. That's so Canadian.

01:02:15.358 --> 01:02:19.279
>> But you know, the the great thing about

01:02:17.519 --> 01:02:21.440
Canada is we've always sorted our [ __ ]

01:02:19.280 --> 01:02:23.040
out peacefully. Like the the the the

01:02:21.440 --> 01:02:25.119
Protestants and Catholics tore each

01:02:23.039 --> 01:02:27.279
other's eyeballs out in Europe for like

01:02:25.119 --> 01:02:29.358
hundreds of years. And then we came to

01:02:27.280 --> 01:02:30.880
Canada and just got along. And and

01:02:29.358 --> 01:02:32.639
that's the great thing about Canada is

01:02:30.880 --> 01:02:36.079
like you can come you know Muslims and

01:02:32.639 --> 01:02:38.480
Jews, Christians uh and uh uh sorry um

01:02:36.079 --> 01:02:40.559
Protestants and Catholics uh Hindus and

01:02:38.480 --> 01:02:42.079
Sikhs they come to Canada and they just

01:02:40.559 --> 01:02:44.880
get along. They live on the same streets

01:02:42.079 --> 01:02:46.318
eventually. We all start intermaring and

01:02:44.880 --> 01:02:46.880
uh it's a it's a great thing about

01:02:46.318 --> 01:02:49.119
Canada.

01:02:46.880 --> 01:02:49.680
>> Well, it really is a great melting pot,

01:02:49.119 --> 01:02:51.440
you know.

01:02:49.679 --> 01:02:54.078
>> Yeah. And and like folks get to keep

01:02:51.440 --> 01:02:56.720
their their cultures like uh at the same

01:02:54.079 --> 01:02:58.798
time as uh blending into the Canadian

01:02:56.719 --> 01:03:01.519
identity. Like my wife my wife's from

01:02:58.798 --> 01:03:03.679
Venezuela and uh so like you know

01:03:01.519 --> 01:03:05.599
oftentimes I like I'm I'm in the house

01:03:03.679 --> 01:03:06.960
and there's like 16 Latinos and they're

01:03:05.599 --> 01:03:09.838
all speaking Spanish. I have no idea

01:03:06.960 --> 01:03:11.440
what the hell's going on and uh they

01:03:09.838 --> 01:03:12.880
have this food. It's called a jackass.

01:03:11.440 --> 01:03:14.639
And I said you know when they start

01:03:12.880 --> 01:03:16.720
start cooking this stuff I thought my I

01:03:14.639 --> 01:03:19.038
said to my wife did did your mom just

01:03:16.719 --> 01:03:20.399
call me a a jackass? Um cuz that's what

01:03:19.039 --> 01:03:22.240
it sounded like.

01:03:20.400 --> 01:03:23.039
>> I don't speak any Spanish but uh

01:03:22.239 --> 01:03:23.679
>> you should probably learn.

01:03:23.039 --> 01:03:24.880
>> I should now.

01:03:23.679 --> 01:03:27.440
>> They're yapping in your house. It's a

01:03:24.880 --> 01:03:28.640
great It's a great uh My kids are

01:03:27.440 --> 01:03:29.679
starting to learn Spanish, so I'm going

01:03:28.639 --> 01:03:30.798
to be outnumbered.

01:03:29.679 --> 01:03:31.279
>> Yeah, you better learn it.

01:03:30.798 --> 01:03:32.000
>> Yeah.

01:03:31.280 --> 01:03:32.720
>> Yeah.

01:03:32.000 --> 01:03:37.440
>> But

01:03:32.719 --> 01:03:40.959
>> um so what else is uh an an issue in

01:03:37.440 --> 01:03:43.599
Canada that you would like to fix?

01:03:40.960 --> 01:03:45.119
>> Talk to me those napkins. I got a I got

01:03:43.599 --> 01:03:46.720
an allergy I'm dealing with.

01:03:45.119 --> 01:03:50.640
>> We we got to toughen up our justice

01:03:46.719 --> 01:03:51.199
system. Um it it got way too soft.

01:03:50.639 --> 01:03:52.798
And uh

01:03:51.199 --> 01:03:55.679
>> What's wrong with your justice system?

01:03:52.798 --> 01:03:57.119
>> Basically bail. Um I I mean we all

01:03:55.679 --> 01:03:58.639
believe in the basic principle that

01:03:57.119 --> 01:04:01.280
you're innocent till approve pro proven

01:03:58.639 --> 01:04:03.679
guilty. But if someone's convicted has

01:04:01.280 --> 01:04:05.280
have like 150 prior convictions and

01:04:03.679 --> 01:04:05.838
they're newly arrested on their latest

01:04:05.280 --> 01:04:06.319
crime.

01:04:05.838 --> 01:04:08.000
>> Yeah.

01:04:06.318 --> 01:04:10.719
>> I don't think we should be releasing

01:04:08.000 --> 01:04:13.199
them onto the streets. And uh so we got

01:04:10.719 --> 01:04:15.598
two lakhs on bail. So there's now a

01:04:13.199 --> 01:04:18.239
consensus in Canada that you should have

01:04:15.599 --> 01:04:19.760
severe restrictions on repeat offenders.

01:04:18.239 --> 01:04:23.038
Like in Vancouver, they had to arrest

01:04:19.760 --> 01:04:26.960
the same 40 guys 6,000 times in one

01:04:23.039 --> 01:04:29.119
year. 40 guys, 6,000 arrests. So,

01:04:26.960 --> 01:04:31.679
they're basically being released within

01:04:29.119 --> 01:04:33.920
hours of their latest arrest. So, we're

01:04:31.679 --> 01:04:36.960
we're we now built a bipartisan

01:04:33.920 --> 01:04:38.720
multipartisan consensus to fix that. And

01:04:36.960 --> 01:04:42.639
uh we're pushing to toughen the bail

01:04:38.719 --> 01:04:44.239
system um and ensure that it's the

01:04:42.639 --> 01:04:46.000
repeat offenders. It's a tiny group. We

01:04:44.239 --> 01:04:47.679
don't have a lot of criminals in Canada,

01:04:46.000 --> 01:04:48.960
but they do a tremendous amount of

01:04:47.679 --> 01:04:51.199
crime. So, if you take them off the

01:04:48.960 --> 01:04:52.880
street, you put them in prison, you can

01:04:51.199 --> 01:04:53.598
basically reduce the crime rate

01:04:52.880 --> 01:04:55.920
dramatically.

01:04:53.599 --> 01:04:57.920
>> Well, we probably have more crime

01:04:55.920 --> 01:04:59.280
percentage-wise in America, but it's

01:04:57.920 --> 01:05:01.119
still a small percentage of the

01:04:59.280 --> 01:05:02.720
population that commits the crime. But

01:05:01.119 --> 01:05:04.880
it's the same issue. Like in New York

01:05:02.719 --> 01:05:06.959
City, it's extraordinary the amount of

01:05:04.880 --> 01:05:08.880
people that are repeat offenders. Yeah.

01:05:06.960 --> 01:05:11.039
>> And they just let them go. In

01:05:08.880 --> 01:05:13.760
California, no cash bail, let them go.

01:05:11.039 --> 01:05:15.039
It's like it is bananas. And it doesn't

01:05:13.760 --> 01:05:17.280
make any sense and it doesn't make

01:05:15.039 --> 01:05:19.280
anybody help. I understand you want to

01:05:17.280 --> 01:05:20.960
be empathetic and I understand these

01:05:19.280 --> 01:05:23.119
narratives that the prison system is

01:05:20.960 --> 01:05:25.599
racist and the justice system is racist

01:05:23.119 --> 01:05:27.680
and these people never been given a a

01:05:25.599 --> 01:05:30.640
great shake in life. Well, if you want

01:05:27.679 --> 01:05:32.159
to fix that, start in these impoverished

01:05:30.639 --> 01:05:34.798
neighborhoods, establish community

01:05:32.159 --> 01:05:37.519
centers, establish better education,

01:05:34.798 --> 01:05:40.960
fund that, but don't let hardened

01:05:37.519 --> 01:05:43.038
criminals back on the street when they

01:05:40.960 --> 01:05:45.599
>> they're habitual. They've been if you've

01:05:43.039 --> 01:05:47.359
been arrested 40, 50 times, it doesn't

01:05:45.599 --> 01:05:49.838
seem like you're getting any better. So,

01:05:47.358 --> 01:05:52.000
whatever rehabilitation process they

01:05:49.838 --> 01:05:53.679
have going on there, that's not working.

01:05:52.000 --> 01:05:56.239
So, keep doing the same thing over and

01:05:53.679 --> 01:05:58.000
over again. Unless you like crime, I

01:05:56.239 --> 01:06:00.000
don't understand why you would do that.

01:05:58.000 --> 01:06:01.838
>> This has been, you know, it's imposed by

01:06:00.000 --> 01:06:03.039
these so-called experts. They tell, oh,

01:06:01.838 --> 01:06:05.599
we've done all these studies that show

01:06:03.039 --> 01:06:07.280
that the soft on crime policies work,

01:06:05.599 --> 01:06:09.280
but everywhere it been, it's been tried,

01:06:07.280 --> 01:06:11.519
it's been an absolute disaster anywhere

01:06:09.280 --> 01:06:14.480
in the Western world. We have a town

01:06:11.519 --> 01:06:16.318
called Pentictton. There's one guy who

01:06:14.480 --> 01:06:18.719
the police can tell by looking at the

01:06:16.318 --> 01:06:21.440
the crime rate whether he's been in jail

01:06:18.719 --> 01:06:24.239
or not. He comes out of jail. The crime

01:06:21.440 --> 01:06:24.880
rate for the entire town of actually

01:06:24.239 --> 01:06:26.159
goes up.

01:06:24.880 --> 01:06:27.680
>> That's so crazy.

01:06:26.159 --> 01:06:30.239
>> But you just keep him in prison though.

01:06:27.679 --> 01:06:31.759
>> That seems so simple to solve. It's like

01:06:30.239 --> 01:06:33.519
there's so many of these problems with

01:06:31.760 --> 01:06:36.240
government that it's just like rational

01:06:33.519 --> 01:06:37.759
thinking is one of one of the great

01:06:36.239 --> 01:06:39.838
interviews that I loved about you. you

01:06:37.760 --> 01:06:41.039
were eating an apple and you were

01:06:39.838 --> 01:06:42.159
talking to this guy who was being

01:06:41.039 --> 01:06:44.559
completely ridiculous and you were

01:06:42.159 --> 01:06:46.159
asking him to define what the the issues

01:06:44.559 --> 01:06:47.359
that he had and it was so funny. It was

01:06:46.159 --> 01:06:49.358
like this is what happens when a

01:06:47.358 --> 01:06:51.519
rational person meets a person with

01:06:49.358 --> 01:06:52.558
empty narratives. It was such a weird

01:06:51.519 --> 01:06:54.000
moment because

01:06:52.559 --> 01:06:56.000
>> you just kept eating that apple.

01:06:54.000 --> 01:06:58.480
>> It was such a It was such a good apple.

01:06:56.000 --> 01:07:00.159
It was so good. That's the thing. And

01:06:58.480 --> 01:07:01.838
the thing is I didn't even realize I was

01:07:00.159 --> 01:07:02.399
being taped. I thought it was a print

01:07:01.838 --> 01:07:04.000
interview.

01:07:02.400 --> 01:07:07.039
>> Oh, that's hilarious.

01:07:04.000 --> 01:07:08.880
>> That's why I think I was so relaxed. Uh,

01:07:07.039 --> 01:07:10.079
but so I'm in the most beautiful place

01:07:08.880 --> 01:07:12.160
in the world. If you ever if you haven't

01:07:10.079 --> 01:07:15.119
been to the Okanagan, it's unbelievable.

01:07:12.159 --> 01:07:17.440
Like it's lakes, it's mountains, it's

01:07:15.119 --> 01:07:19.920
nice dry weather and there's orchards

01:07:17.440 --> 01:07:22.240
and vineyards there. Like you'd love it.

01:07:19.920 --> 01:07:23.760
And so I'm in an apple orchard and I'm

01:07:22.239 --> 01:07:25.199
walking around just talking with people

01:07:23.760 --> 01:07:26.720
and my staff says, "This reporter wants

01:07:25.199 --> 01:07:28.239
to do an interview and I'm enjoying the

01:07:26.719 --> 01:07:30.480
apple." He comes up, starts asking

01:07:28.239 --> 01:07:32.078
questions. Nobody who was there thought

01:07:30.480 --> 01:07:33.838
this was a moment. Like we'd thought

01:07:32.079 --> 01:07:35.680
nothing of it. We dumped the whole

01:07:33.838 --> 01:07:37.519
thing. My my staff, unbeknownst to me,

01:07:35.679 --> 01:07:39.279
was recording my whole walk. We dumped

01:07:37.519 --> 01:07:41.920
this 15-minute video on the internet. No

01:07:39.280 --> 01:07:43.760
one noticed it. And like 3 weeks later,

01:07:41.920 --> 01:07:44.880
my phone blows up and people say, "Hey,

01:07:43.760 --> 01:07:46.400
how about that apple?" I'm like, "What

01:07:44.880 --> 01:07:48.480
is he? What are they talking about this

01:07:46.400 --> 01:07:50.400
apple thing?" And then, you know, within

01:07:48.480 --> 01:07:51.920
3 days, everybody's talking to me about

01:07:50.400 --> 01:07:53.440
this damn apple that I had almost

01:07:51.920 --> 01:07:54.559
forgotten about eating.

01:07:53.440 --> 01:07:59.280
>> So, weird things.

01:07:54.559 --> 01:08:02.079
>> That conversation sort of it embodied

01:07:59.280 --> 01:08:04.400
this issue. It really did because you

01:08:02.079 --> 01:08:06.160
have rational thinking and empty

01:08:04.400 --> 01:08:06.639
narratives colliding

01:08:06.159 --> 01:08:08.239
>> right

01:08:06.639 --> 01:08:09.920
>> while you're eating an apple. Like

01:08:08.239 --> 01:08:11.279
you're so casual about it. You're

01:08:09.920 --> 01:08:13.519
actually eating an apple. Which was so

01:08:11.280 --> 01:08:15.839
perfect. I mean, you couldn't if if you

01:08:13.519 --> 01:08:17.520
planned on like if you had a PR team, I

01:08:15.838 --> 01:08:19.838
think you should be eating an apple.

01:08:17.520 --> 01:08:22.319
They'd be like, "Oo, I like it." So he's

01:08:19.838 --> 01:08:22.719
casual. He's eating fruit. It's healthy.

01:08:22.319 --> 01:08:24.960
You know,

01:08:22.719 --> 01:08:26.960
>> it was totally coincidence. Like out of

01:08:24.960 --> 01:08:28.960
nowhere, not planned. And not even

01:08:26.960 --> 01:08:30.719
noticed. Like I said, no one there

01:08:28.960 --> 01:08:32.880
thought this was going to be a moment.

01:08:30.719 --> 01:08:34.719
We just like totally forgot about it.

01:08:32.880 --> 01:08:36.319
>> Well, it made it in America. It was

01:08:34.719 --> 01:08:38.000
viral in America. And we were like, "How

01:08:36.319 --> 01:08:39.039
come that guy's not the prime minister?

01:08:38.000 --> 01:08:40.079
What the hell's going on?"

01:08:39.039 --> 01:08:42.158
>> Well, in the meantime, you can buy

01:08:40.079 --> 01:08:44.158
ambrosio apples from uh the South

01:08:42.158 --> 01:08:46.719
Okonagan. I'm really plugging a lot of

01:08:44.158 --> 01:08:49.198
uh sales for the Canadian economy today.

01:08:46.719 --> 01:08:50.960
>> You know what I found out about Canadian

01:08:49.198 --> 01:08:51.519
um maple syrup?

01:08:50.960 --> 01:08:53.920
>> What's that?

01:08:51.520 --> 01:08:56.560
>> It is actually a superfood and it is

01:08:53.920 --> 01:08:57.119
actually better for you than honey. Is

01:08:56.560 --> 01:08:59.279
that right?

01:08:57.119 --> 01:09:02.158
>> Yeah. It contains a bunch of polyphenols

01:08:59.279 --> 01:09:03.920
and a bunch of like healthy nutrients.

01:09:02.158 --> 01:09:05.679
>> I always thought maple syrup was just a

01:09:03.920 --> 01:09:07.119
guilty pleasure you poured on pancakes.

01:09:05.679 --> 01:09:08.158
>> No, it's a totally Canadian thing.

01:09:07.119 --> 01:09:09.679
>> It's really good for you.

01:09:08.158 --> 01:09:12.318
>> So, you take it before your workout?

01:09:09.679 --> 01:09:14.239
>> No. No. I just watched a Instagram video

01:09:12.319 --> 01:09:15.359
yesterday. Somebody sent it to me and I

01:09:14.238 --> 01:09:16.798
was like, "What is this?"

01:09:15.359 --> 01:09:19.440
>> We'll have to send you a bunch of maple

01:09:16.798 --> 01:09:21.519
syrup from Canada. I've had a bunch of

01:09:19.439 --> 01:09:24.399
>> We actually have a maple syrup reserve

01:09:21.520 --> 01:09:26.000
in Canada. Like a reserve of of excess

01:09:24.399 --> 01:09:27.519
stockpiles. like a oil reserve.

01:09:26.000 --> 01:09:28.960
>> Well, we don't have an oil reserve. This

01:09:27.520 --> 01:09:30.640
is something I want to change. I want to

01:09:28.960 --> 01:09:32.399
have an oil reserve, but I also want to

01:09:30.640 --> 01:09:33.838
keep the maple syrup reserve cuz we're

01:09:32.399 --> 01:09:35.039
Canadians after all. There's nothing

01:09:33.838 --> 01:09:36.798
more Canadian than that.

01:09:35.039 --> 01:09:38.319
>> Well, it's so delicious. I can't believe

01:09:36.798 --> 01:09:40.079
it's good for you. Make sure that's

01:09:38.319 --> 01:09:42.159
true.

01:09:40.079 --> 01:09:44.238
>> I mean, in what way is it true?

01:09:42.158 --> 01:09:46.479
>> Uh, are there nutrients? Let's put it

01:09:44.238 --> 01:09:48.000
into perplexity. Our sponsored it. I

01:09:46.479 --> 01:09:49.678
compared it verse honey. I'll give you

01:09:48.000 --> 01:09:51.439
what it showed. That's not saying it's

01:09:49.679 --> 01:09:53.600
like better. Maple syrup and honey are

01:09:51.439 --> 01:09:55.678
both sugary, but maple syrup is slightly

01:09:53.600 --> 01:09:58.159
lower in calories. Glycemic index has

01:09:55.679 --> 01:09:59.840
more minerals like magnes

01:09:58.158 --> 01:10:02.079
maganese

01:09:59.840 --> 01:10:03.600
and calcium. While honey is a bit higher

01:10:02.079 --> 01:10:05.920
in calories, has a slightly stronger

01:10:03.600 --> 01:10:09.280
impact on blood sugar.

01:10:05.920 --> 01:10:11.520
Well, this guy on uh Instagram was very

01:10:09.279 --> 01:10:12.880
convincing. I wish I saved it.

01:10:11.520 --> 01:10:13.360
>> I think it's convincing. I think you

01:10:12.880 --> 01:10:14.400
should go with it.

01:10:13.359 --> 01:10:15.279
>> I'm in it.

01:10:14.399 --> 01:10:16.000
>> I'm done.

01:10:15.279 --> 01:10:16.960
>> Stick with it.

01:10:16.000 --> 01:10:19.039
>> Tastes better, too.

01:10:16.960 --> 01:10:20.239
>> Yeah, it's the best. It's fantastic. Put

01:10:19.039 --> 01:10:21.198
that with a little bit of Greek yogurt.

01:10:20.238 --> 01:10:22.158
You get your protein.

01:10:21.198 --> 01:10:24.238
>> Oh yeah,

01:10:22.158 --> 01:10:26.238
>> that's what I do. Greek yogurt

01:10:24.238 --> 01:10:28.079
>> and maple syrup. Maybe start a trend cuz

01:10:26.238 --> 01:10:30.399
everybody uses honey on their yogurt.

01:10:28.079 --> 01:10:31.840
>> No, maple syrup from Canada. Cuz if it's

01:10:30.399 --> 01:10:33.119
not from Canada, it's not the real deal.

01:10:31.840 --> 01:10:33.840
>> Well, there's a lot of fake syrup,

01:10:33.119 --> 01:10:35.599
right?

01:10:33.840 --> 01:10:37.360
>> There's a lot of junk out there. When

01:10:35.600 --> 01:10:39.199
you go to a pancake house and they have

01:10:37.359 --> 01:10:40.960
that stuff in the little plastic cups,

01:10:39.198 --> 01:10:43.039
that's garbage. Yeah. You don't want to

01:10:40.960 --> 01:10:44.319
have That's manufactured crap.

01:10:43.039 --> 01:10:45.760
>> Well, that's the case with honey as

01:10:44.319 --> 01:10:47.359
well. Oh, I had a woman in here once. It

01:10:45.760 --> 01:10:49.840
was a beekeeper and she was explaining

01:10:47.359 --> 01:10:52.238
to us that a lot of uh honey is not

01:10:49.840 --> 01:10:53.520
actually honey. They water it down with

01:10:52.238 --> 01:10:55.119
uh corn syrup.

01:10:53.520 --> 01:10:55.679
>> There's so much shed in our food these

01:10:55.119 --> 01:10:56.319
days.

01:10:55.679 --> 01:10:58.158
>> Yes.

01:10:56.319 --> 01:11:00.880
>> I I believe in eating clean

01:10:58.158 --> 01:11:03.839
>> 100%. Well, I mean that was one of the

01:11:00.880 --> 01:11:06.560
primary factors uh for me supporting

01:11:03.840 --> 01:11:08.560
this administration was RFK Jr. in this

01:11:06.560 --> 01:11:10.960
make America healthy again initiative

01:11:08.560 --> 01:11:12.960
because I think you know I had my friend

01:11:10.960 --> 01:11:16.239
Brigham Beller yesterday from ways to

01:11:12.960 --> 01:11:18.000
well on and you know we hammered this

01:11:16.238 --> 01:11:20.158
many times over and over again but

01:11:18.000 --> 01:11:22.479
people need to hear it we spend more

01:11:20.158 --> 01:11:24.719
money on healthcare and we're sicker

01:11:22.479 --> 01:11:26.319
than we've ever been before and we have

01:11:24.719 --> 01:11:28.719
more chronic illness and we have more

01:11:26.319 --> 01:11:30.719
money none of it makes any sense it's

01:11:28.719 --> 01:11:32.560
completely ridiculous and it's obvious

01:11:30.719 --> 01:11:35.039
that people are eating the wrong things

01:11:32.560 --> 01:11:36.560
and there was so much outrage of him

01:11:35.039 --> 01:11:38.399
implementing all these healthy choices

01:11:36.560 --> 01:11:41.679
and trying to get rid of dyes that are

01:11:38.399 --> 01:11:45.679
illegal in Canada. Like the same cereals

01:11:41.679 --> 01:11:47.920
that the same factory sells in Canada,

01:11:45.679 --> 01:11:50.079
they sell with natural dyes and in

01:11:47.920 --> 01:11:51.760
America we demand them to be more

01:11:50.079 --> 01:11:52.158
colorful so we put poison in them.

01:11:51.760 --> 01:11:53.039
>> Really?

01:11:52.158 --> 01:11:55.039
>> Yeah.

01:11:53.039 --> 01:11:58.238
>> Is that No, you know what what are the

01:11:55.039 --> 01:12:01.439
uh what do you think are the dietary

01:11:58.238 --> 01:12:03.759
habits that are making people in the

01:12:01.439 --> 01:12:06.238
western world sick right now? Like is it

01:12:03.760 --> 01:12:07.840
the dyes? Is it the sugars? Is it the

01:12:06.238 --> 01:12:08.238
carbs? Like what what's getting people

01:12:07.840 --> 01:12:09.520
in?

01:12:08.238 --> 01:12:12.399
>> There's a lot of things. First of all,

01:12:09.520 --> 01:12:15.360
it's processed foods. Processed foods is

01:12:12.399 --> 01:12:16.719
a an enormous percentage of a lot of

01:12:15.359 --> 01:12:18.079
Americans diets.

01:12:16.719 --> 01:12:21.279
>> Things with massive amounts of

01:12:18.079 --> 01:12:22.719
preservatives in them. And that that's

01:12:21.279 --> 01:12:26.399
like if you want like a general

01:12:22.719 --> 01:12:29.039
guideline, eat real food. Eat real eggs,

01:12:26.399 --> 01:12:30.799
real vegetables, real meat, real fish.

01:12:29.039 --> 01:12:32.319
You'll be healthier. Yeah. As soon as

01:12:30.800 --> 01:12:34.400
you start having things that can sit on

01:12:32.319 --> 01:12:36.799
a shelf forever, except things like rice

01:12:34.399 --> 01:12:38.559
and you know normal beans, like things

01:12:36.800 --> 01:12:39.920
that are dried, that makes sense. They

01:12:38.560 --> 01:12:42.400
could sit there. But if something can

01:12:39.920 --> 01:12:44.480
just sit on a shelf for a long period of

01:12:42.399 --> 01:12:46.799
time and you consume it, how is it just

01:12:44.479 --> 01:12:48.799
not rotting? Like I'm sure you've seen

01:12:46.800 --> 01:12:50.880
where they've taken a McDonald's Big Mac

01:12:48.800 --> 01:12:53.119
and they've just let it sit, take a

01:12:50.880 --> 01:12:54.640
cheeseburger in a box and the guy pulls

01:12:53.119 --> 01:12:56.880
it out like 10 years later. It looks

01:12:54.640 --> 01:12:58.480
exactly the same. That's not food.

01:12:56.880 --> 01:12:59.520
>> The bacteria didn't want to eat it. They

01:12:58.479 --> 01:13:00.238
looked at it and they were like, "I'm

01:12:59.520 --> 01:13:01.840
not eating that."

01:13:00.238 --> 01:13:03.599
>> If bacteria doesn't eat it, if mold

01:13:01.840 --> 01:13:05.119
doesn't eat it, that's crazy. Why are

01:13:03.600 --> 01:13:08.079
you eating it? Like, there's something

01:13:05.119 --> 01:13:10.079
in it preventing the mold from growing.

01:13:08.079 --> 01:13:11.920
What is that? Well, that stuff [ __ ]

01:13:10.079 --> 01:13:15.039
with your gut bacteria. It's it's

01:13:11.920 --> 01:13:17.920
terrible for your body. And empty

01:13:15.039 --> 01:13:19.198
calories. And we we consume an enormous

01:13:17.920 --> 01:13:21.359
amount of processed food in this

01:13:19.198 --> 01:13:23.678
country. And if you want to be a

01:13:21.359 --> 01:13:25.920
healthier person, eat real fruit, eat

01:13:23.679 --> 01:13:29.039
real food, eat real vegetables, eat real

01:13:25.920 --> 01:13:31.760
meat. It's that simple. just that that

01:13:29.039 --> 01:13:34.079
would fix 90% of our problems when it

01:13:31.760 --> 01:13:36.640
comes to people's diets.

01:13:34.079 --> 01:13:38.719
>> And we like when my uh my wife once

01:13:36.640 --> 01:13:40.400
looked at some of the baby formula we

01:13:38.719 --> 01:13:41.840
had and she said she looked on it, she

01:13:40.399 --> 01:13:42.799
said, "There's no expiry date on this.

01:13:41.840 --> 01:13:43.440
This never goes bad."

01:13:42.800 --> 01:13:44.960
>> That's crazy.

01:13:43.439 --> 01:13:45.279
>> That can't be that can't be a good

01:13:44.960 --> 01:13:46.800
thing,

01:13:45.279 --> 01:13:48.000
>> right? Meanwhile, breast milk you have

01:13:46.800 --> 01:13:50.719
to freeze, right?

01:13:48.000 --> 01:13:52.800
>> Exactly. So, uh and then what about on

01:13:50.719 --> 01:13:54.880
the like the fitness side? What do you

01:13:52.800 --> 01:13:56.880
think we can do? I mean, beyond you

01:13:54.880 --> 01:13:58.800
you've done a lot just talking about it

01:13:56.880 --> 01:14:00.480
with your the size of your audience,

01:13:58.800 --> 01:14:02.800
you've probably got a lot of people off

01:14:00.479 --> 01:14:04.718
the couch, but what policies do you

01:14:02.800 --> 01:14:07.039
think we could push that would get

01:14:04.719 --> 01:14:08.000
people physically active, working out,

01:14:07.039 --> 01:14:09.359
moving again?

01:14:08.000 --> 01:14:11.840
>> Well, the real important thing is

01:14:09.359 --> 01:14:14.158
community. The the easiest way to get

01:14:11.840 --> 01:14:15.840
fit is to to get around a bunch of other

01:14:14.158 --> 01:14:17.439
people that are also involved in the

01:14:15.840 --> 01:14:19.360
same endeavor, right? If you have a

01:14:17.439 --> 01:14:21.599
bunch of friends that are unhappy with

01:14:19.359 --> 01:14:24.079
the way their life is, like just go walk

01:14:21.600 --> 01:14:26.400
together. say, "Hey guys, let's all go

01:14:24.079 --> 01:14:28.559
for a walk after dinner together, right?

01:14:26.399 --> 01:14:30.960
Let's all decide like as a neighborhood

01:14:28.560 --> 01:14:32.239
to go walk. Just walk for a half an hour

01:14:30.960 --> 01:14:35.279
after your meals. It'll lower your

01:14:32.238 --> 01:14:36.959
glycemic index. It'll change your body.

01:14:35.279 --> 01:14:37.840
It'll make you healthier. You'll feel

01:14:36.960 --> 01:14:40.480
better.

01:14:37.840 --> 01:14:43.840
>> You know, it it just does so much for

01:14:40.479 --> 01:14:45.359
you, just movement and activity. And if

01:14:43.840 --> 01:14:48.319
you're involved with a group of people

01:14:45.359 --> 01:14:50.079
that are also inclined in the same

01:14:48.319 --> 01:14:51.920
direction, they're also trying to get

01:14:50.079 --> 01:14:54.000
better, trying to get fit, then you kind

01:14:51.920 --> 01:14:56.000
of you're, you know, you feed off of

01:14:54.000 --> 01:14:58.158
your atmosphere. People imitate the

01:14:56.000 --> 01:14:59.359
people that are around them and you get

01:14:58.158 --> 01:15:01.198
support from the people that are around

01:14:59.359 --> 01:15:03.759
them. You know, make it a little healthy

01:15:01.198 --> 01:15:06.000
competition. you know, who can, you

01:15:03.760 --> 01:15:08.159
know, do the most exercise and who can

01:15:06.000 --> 01:15:10.399
do the most, you know, what whatever it

01:15:08.158 --> 01:15:12.479
is, like whether it's a sport or whether

01:15:10.399 --> 01:15:14.399
it's a game or whether it's just

01:15:12.479 --> 01:15:16.238
something that you enjoy doing that's

01:15:14.399 --> 01:15:18.479
physically

01:15:16.238 --> 01:15:20.559
physically taxing slightly. It doesn't

01:15:18.479 --> 01:15:23.119
have to be a crazy kettle bell workout

01:15:20.560 --> 01:15:25.840
or a jiu-jitsu class. Just take a just

01:15:23.119 --> 01:15:28.079
take a walk. just just the if the world

01:15:25.840 --> 01:15:30.400
if the United States or Canada or

01:15:28.079 --> 01:15:32.880
anybody that's got problems with their

01:15:30.399 --> 01:15:34.960
health, just decided to start walking,

01:15:32.880 --> 01:15:35.840
right, every day for 20 minutes, it'll

01:15:34.960 --> 01:15:36.158
change your life.

01:15:35.840 --> 01:15:37.840
>> Absolutely.

01:15:36.158 --> 01:15:40.079
>> And then add things to it. Add some body

01:15:37.840 --> 01:15:42.239
weight squats, add some push-ups, skip a

01:15:40.079 --> 01:15:44.319
little rope, do something, take a yoga

01:15:42.238 --> 01:15:44.879
class. It'll change your life,

01:15:44.319 --> 01:15:45.679
>> right?

01:15:44.880 --> 01:15:47.920
>> Just absolutely.

01:15:45.679 --> 01:15:50.719
>> You need activity. The human body has

01:15:47.920 --> 01:15:52.960
needs. And when it doesn't, those needs

01:15:50.719 --> 01:15:55.119
are not met and you don't your

01:15:52.960 --> 01:15:57.600
biological requirements aren't met, you

01:15:55.119 --> 01:15:59.599
get develop anxiety, you get overweight,

01:15:57.600 --> 01:16:02.079
your your muscles atrophy, your bone

01:15:59.600 --> 01:16:03.920
density decreases, you can't open up a

01:16:02.079 --> 01:16:06.479
jar anymore. There's all these problems

01:16:03.920 --> 01:16:08.399
that can be solved with just simple

01:16:06.479 --> 01:16:10.000
movement and activity. You don't have to

01:16:08.399 --> 01:16:12.399
become a fitness nut. You don't have to

01:16:10.000 --> 01:16:15.359
become a gym rat. You just do something

01:16:12.399 --> 01:16:18.238
and that alone. And then change what you

01:16:15.359 --> 01:16:21.119
eat. Drink more water. Stop drinking

01:16:18.238 --> 01:16:23.439
soda. Stop stop stop drinking so much

01:16:21.119 --> 01:16:26.960
alcohol. You know, stop eating processed

01:16:23.439 --> 01:16:29.198
food. If we just slowly but surely get

01:16:26.960 --> 01:16:30.800
this in people's heads. For the longest

01:16:29.198 --> 01:16:32.399
time, people didn't think there was

01:16:30.800 --> 01:16:33.520
anything wrong with eating processed

01:16:32.399 --> 01:16:35.920
food. They didn't think there was

01:16:33.520 --> 01:16:37.840
anything wrong with they thought sugar

01:16:35.920 --> 01:16:39.199
just gave you extra calories. That's it.

01:16:37.840 --> 01:16:41.440
They didn't realize the catastrophic

01:16:39.198 --> 01:16:43.279
health consequences of consuming all

01:16:41.439 --> 01:16:45.119
this sugar, the increase in type 2

01:16:43.279 --> 01:16:46.880
diabetes, all these problems that are

01:16:45.119 --> 01:16:49.279
people are having that people are having

01:16:46.880 --> 01:16:51.279
because of poor diets and lack of

01:16:49.279 --> 01:16:54.000
>> what's your theory though on how that h

01:16:51.279 --> 01:16:56.559
why did that happen? Why did wh what

01:16:54.000 --> 01:16:59.840
caused millions of people to shift their

01:16:56.560 --> 01:17:01.760
diets away from good wholesome real food

01:16:59.840 --> 01:17:04.239
towards the processed garbage?

01:17:01.760 --> 01:17:07.440
>> Well, first of all, marketing, right? Um

01:17:04.238 --> 01:17:09.279
and availability, right? the the the

01:17:07.439 --> 01:17:11.119
they always say the center of the

01:17:09.279 --> 01:17:12.479
grocery store is what you should avoid

01:17:11.119 --> 01:17:14.158
because the center is all the stuff that

01:17:12.479 --> 01:17:15.519
doesn't need to be refrigerated, right?

01:17:14.158 --> 01:17:16.879
Everything on the outskirts, all the

01:17:15.520 --> 01:17:18.400
vegetables and the fruit and the meats

01:17:16.880 --> 01:17:19.520
and the milk, that's all the stuff

01:17:18.399 --> 01:17:20.960
that's healthy because it has to be

01:17:19.520 --> 01:17:23.040
refrigerated because if it's not, it

01:17:20.960 --> 01:17:25.359
goes bad. Things that can just sit on a

01:17:23.039 --> 01:17:27.119
shelf, but things that sit on a shelf

01:17:25.359 --> 01:17:28.960
forever, those are the things that are

01:17:27.119 --> 01:17:30.319
the easiest to profit from because you

01:17:28.960 --> 01:17:31.279
don't have to worry about storage. you

01:17:30.319 --> 01:17:32.880
don't have to worry about refrigeration

01:17:31.279 --> 01:17:35.198
when you're processing or when you're

01:17:32.880 --> 01:17:38.480
moving them and transporting them. You

01:17:35.198 --> 01:17:40.000
know, just education is the most

01:17:38.479 --> 01:17:41.759
important thing because there's a lot of

01:17:40.000 --> 01:17:43.840
people that don't know how much their

01:17:41.760 --> 01:17:45.440
diet impacts them. And then there's also

01:17:43.840 --> 01:17:48.079
the problems that happen in this country

01:17:45.439 --> 01:17:50.719
where the sugar industry literally bribe

01:17:48.079 --> 01:17:53.359
scientists to pass the blame on

01:17:50.719 --> 01:17:55.359
saturated fat and pretend that this was

01:17:53.359 --> 01:17:57.119
the cause of all these heart issues that

01:17:55.359 --> 01:17:58.880
people were having and all the obesity

01:17:57.119 --> 01:18:01.519
that it was just fat. So then people

01:17:58.880 --> 01:18:04.239
started eating all these seed oil rich

01:18:01.520 --> 01:18:07.520
foods like mayonnaise or excuse me like

01:18:04.238 --> 01:18:08.639
margarine and you know and corn oil and

01:18:07.520 --> 01:18:10.239
canola oil all this

01:18:08.640 --> 01:18:10.880
>> when it's better just to have tallow or

01:18:10.238 --> 01:18:13.359
butter.

01:18:10.880 --> 01:18:14.400
>> Yes. It's like natural food. Your body

01:18:13.359 --> 01:18:16.559
knows what to do with it.

01:18:14.399 --> 01:18:19.119
>> Yeah. And beef is like a superfood. A

01:18:16.560 --> 01:18:20.080
nice fatty piece of beef. Best thing you

01:18:19.119 --> 01:18:20.960
can eat.

01:18:20.079 --> 01:18:23.198
>> It's so good for you.

01:18:20.960 --> 01:18:25.520
>> You got iron, you've got fat, you've got

01:18:23.198 --> 01:18:28.079
protein and creatine. It's all packed

01:18:25.520 --> 01:18:29.280
into that one superfood. It is. And

01:18:28.079 --> 01:18:31.439
people, there's a lot of people that

01:18:29.279 --> 01:18:33.198
live very healthily off a carnivore

01:18:31.439 --> 01:18:35.119
diet. And that astounds people. They

01:18:33.198 --> 01:18:36.960
don't understand it because they've been

01:18:35.119 --> 01:18:38.079
pushed into this idea. Well, one of the

01:18:36.960 --> 01:18:40.079
things they did in America that's great

01:18:38.079 --> 01:18:42.319
is they reversed the food pyramid. Our

01:18:40.079 --> 01:18:44.399
food pyramid was all grains at the

01:18:42.319 --> 01:18:46.319
bottom. Was all wheat and grains, which

01:18:44.399 --> 01:18:48.158
is like there's nothing wrong with

01:18:46.319 --> 01:18:49.599
eating that as long as you're being

01:18:48.158 --> 01:18:52.079
smart about it. You don't eat too much

01:18:49.600 --> 01:18:54.000
of it. But if that's your primary diet,

01:18:52.079 --> 01:18:55.679
like guess what? Your insulin's going to

01:18:54.000 --> 01:18:57.600
spike. You're going to be hungry all the

01:18:55.679 --> 01:18:59.199
time. you're going to get fat. It's just

01:18:57.600 --> 01:19:00.800
not good. It's not good to eat.

01:18:59.198 --> 01:19:03.919
>> When I cut the carbs out and I went

01:19:00.800 --> 01:19:06.640
basically uh into ketosis, um I felt

01:19:03.920 --> 01:19:08.399
great because instead of having all the

01:19:06.640 --> 01:19:09.280
ups and downs when my blood sugar was

01:19:08.399 --> 01:19:12.158
down,

01:19:09.279 --> 01:19:14.158
>> when you're in ketosis, you um you

01:19:12.158 --> 01:19:16.079
basically live off your fat stores. Yes.

01:19:14.158 --> 01:19:17.839
>> You have like a a consistent flow of

01:19:16.079 --> 01:19:20.399
energy whenever you need it because and

01:19:17.840 --> 01:19:22.960
I've obviously I've got some here and

01:19:20.399 --> 01:19:24.399
and so uh I I feel lighter. I I have to

01:19:22.960 --> 01:19:25.840
sleep less now. I don't have to sleep as

01:19:24.399 --> 01:19:27.679
much because I don't I don't eat the big

01:19:25.840 --> 01:19:29.840
heavy carbs any I cheat once in a while,

01:19:27.679 --> 01:19:31.359
but but the big heavy carbs that your

01:19:29.840 --> 01:19:32.880
body breaks down, you gota you got to

01:19:31.359 --> 01:19:34.559
sleep more to work through all those

01:19:32.880 --> 01:19:36.560
heavy carbs. So,

01:19:34.560 --> 01:19:38.560
>> you feel it when you eat them. I love

01:19:36.560 --> 01:19:41.120
carbs, don't get me wrong. Like, I love

01:19:38.560 --> 01:19:43.920
I'm Italian. I love spaghetti. I love

01:19:41.119 --> 01:19:45.840
pizza. I love Italian subs. I love them.

01:19:43.920 --> 01:19:47.920
But I eat them sparingly. And when I eat

01:19:45.840 --> 01:19:49.360
them, I feel it. I feel it. Like, it's

01:19:47.920 --> 01:19:50.880
amazing while you're eating it. And then

01:19:49.359 --> 01:19:52.960
you're like,

01:19:50.880 --> 01:19:54.800
>> you got hit with a tranquilizer dart.

01:19:52.960 --> 01:19:56.480
It's just not good. It's not good for

01:19:54.800 --> 01:19:59.119
you. If I eat a steak, I feel great. If

01:19:56.479 --> 01:20:02.559
I eat a steak, I don't feel

01:19:59.119 --> 01:20:04.880
I don't feel in any way tired after I'm

01:20:02.560 --> 01:20:07.039
done. I don't feel exhausted, like

01:20:04.880 --> 01:20:09.679
completely full. Also, they have a high

01:20:07.039 --> 01:20:11.600
satiety rate. Like, if you eat just

01:20:09.679 --> 01:20:14.000
steak, you're only going to eat what you

01:20:11.600 --> 01:20:16.079
need. Like this, your body knows when to

01:20:14.000 --> 01:20:17.760
stop. But if there's mashed potatoes

01:20:16.079 --> 01:20:19.679
next to this steak and spaghetti next to

01:20:17.760 --> 01:20:20.560
this steak and bread and all these other

01:20:19.679 --> 01:20:23.279
things, you're just going to keep

01:20:20.560 --> 01:20:25.440
eating. and cake and butter and ice or

01:20:23.279 --> 01:20:26.960
not butter, but like cake and ice cream

01:20:25.439 --> 01:20:28.399
and all this other you're going to keep

01:20:26.960 --> 01:20:29.359
eating and you're going to consume

01:20:28.399 --> 01:20:31.519
excess calories.

01:20:29.359 --> 01:20:33.359
>> But beef is really expensive now. Like

01:20:31.520 --> 01:20:35.360
it's really hard to put a steak on your

01:20:33.359 --> 01:20:36.880
plate. Uh these for the average guy,

01:20:35.359 --> 01:20:39.198
it's it's insane. It's twice as

01:20:36.880 --> 01:20:40.880
expensive of pork in Canada right now.

01:20:39.198 --> 01:20:43.039
>> Well, there's also this dumb narrative

01:20:40.880 --> 01:20:45.920
that cows are responsible for climate

01:20:43.039 --> 01:20:48.238
change, which is just absolutely insane.

01:20:45.920 --> 01:20:50.239
And whoever started promoting that needs

01:20:48.238 --> 01:20:51.839
to go to jail cuz it's you've done a

01:20:50.238 --> 01:20:54.158
terrible disservice to people,

01:20:51.840 --> 01:20:56.800
especially regenerative farming. That's,

01:20:54.158 --> 01:20:57.279
you know, actually sequesters carbon.

01:20:56.800 --> 01:20:59.279
>> Absolutely.

01:20:57.279 --> 01:21:01.679
>> And it's it's healthy for you.

01:20:59.279 --> 01:21:03.599
>> No, the the farming the ranchers in my

01:21:01.679 --> 01:21:05.039
area are fantastic. They produce an

01:21:03.600 --> 01:21:06.640
incredible product. We've got the the

01:21:05.039 --> 01:21:09.679
the North America has the smallest

01:21:06.640 --> 01:21:10.400
cattle herd since 1951 this year.

01:21:09.679 --> 01:21:12.000
>> That's nuts.

01:21:10.399 --> 01:21:12.879
>> Very small herd. And that's why it's so

01:21:12.000 --> 01:21:15.679
hard to get beef.

01:21:12.880 --> 01:21:18.000
>> Why is that? What? Um I think uh I think

01:21:15.679 --> 01:21:20.640
there's been a demand spike in the last

01:21:18.000 --> 01:21:22.479
couple of years. Um beef prices were low

01:21:20.640 --> 01:21:23.840
for long. So a lot of ranchers got out

01:21:22.479 --> 01:21:25.519
of it. They just said we can't I can't

01:21:23.840 --> 01:21:27.279
stay in this business losing money every

01:21:25.520 --> 01:21:31.360
year. And then all of a sudden prices

01:21:27.279 --> 01:21:33.840
started to go up and uh and moods have

01:21:31.359 --> 01:21:35.679
changed a lot on beef even in the last 3

01:21:33.840 --> 01:21:38.400
four years. So now they're trying to

01:21:35.679 --> 01:21:40.399
keep up with the demand. But um I'd like

01:21:38.399 --> 01:21:43.119
I'm happy to see the the ranchers doing

01:21:40.399 --> 01:21:45.599
well, but I'd sure like to see middle

01:21:43.119 --> 01:21:48.000
class families to be able to afford to

01:21:45.600 --> 01:21:50.079
have beef again. Um but you know, back

01:21:48.000 --> 01:21:51.840
my theory on one of the reasons why the

01:21:50.079 --> 01:21:54.079
marketing has shifted towards all this

01:21:51.840 --> 01:21:56.719
processed crap, and this goes back to my

01:21:54.079 --> 01:21:59.920
obsession, which is inflation. Because

01:21:56.719 --> 01:22:01.840
what instead of just raising the prices,

01:21:59.920 --> 01:22:04.158
they downgrade the quality of the food.

01:22:01.840 --> 01:22:07.600
They strip out the nutrients and they

01:22:04.158 --> 01:22:10.960
inject garbage into our food. uh the the

01:22:07.600 --> 01:22:13.199
the companies do that is ultimately less

01:22:10.960 --> 01:22:15.198
nutritious, but it the price tag doesn't

01:22:13.198 --> 01:22:17.599
necessarily look like it's changing. So,

01:22:15.198 --> 01:22:20.399
it's one of the more insidious ways that

01:22:17.600 --> 01:22:23.280
the the system is able to charge you to

01:22:20.399 --> 01:22:25.679
to to pass inflationary costs on without

01:22:23.279 --> 01:22:27.279
you seeing it in that the price tag

01:22:25.679 --> 01:22:28.960
that's underneath the product.

01:22:27.279 --> 01:22:31.279
>> They also engineer food to be

01:22:28.960 --> 01:22:33.439
compulsive, like you're more compulsive

01:22:31.279 --> 01:22:35.279
to overeat. Yeah, sure. Especially like

01:22:33.439 --> 01:22:37.599
chips and stuff like that. America,

01:22:35.279 --> 01:22:39.198
>> what country do you think does nutrition

01:22:37.600 --> 01:22:41.600
the best around the world?

01:22:39.198 --> 01:22:43.678
>> Well, that's a good question. Um, well,

01:22:41.600 --> 01:22:46.560
Japan has one of the lowest obesity

01:22:43.679 --> 01:22:48.239
rates, right? And when you look at

01:22:46.560 --> 01:22:50.560
Japanese food, like what is it? It's

01:22:48.238 --> 01:22:53.519
like fish and rice and vegetables and

01:22:50.560 --> 01:22:55.520
it's it's they don't use glyphosate, I

01:22:53.520 --> 01:22:57.199
don't think. I think I think the way

01:22:55.520 --> 01:22:59.760
they process their wheat is very

01:22:57.198 --> 01:23:02.000
different than ours. you know, we have

01:22:59.760 --> 01:23:05.119
uh higher glycem we we have higher

01:23:02.000 --> 01:23:06.639
gluten in our wheat because so like we

01:23:05.119 --> 01:23:09.279
have more complex glutens in our wheat,

01:23:06.639 --> 01:23:10.880
so we have higher yield and then on top

01:23:09.279 --> 01:23:12.559
of that they dry all the wheat out with

01:23:10.880 --> 01:23:13.440
glyphosate at the end which is [ __ ]

01:23:12.560 --> 01:23:13.920
terrible for you.

01:23:13.439 --> 01:23:17.279
>> Interesting.

01:23:13.920 --> 01:23:19.920
>> And they were trying to ban that in

01:23:17.279 --> 01:23:22.719
America, but then Trump passed an

01:23:19.920 --> 01:23:24.158
executive order u stopping it. So this

01:23:22.719 --> 01:23:27.359
is one of the things that Kennedy kind

01:23:24.158 --> 01:23:29.039
of ran on is that he wanted to stop the

01:23:27.359 --> 01:23:29.519
ubiquitous use of glyphosate.

01:23:29.039 --> 01:23:32.399
>> Okay?

01:23:29.520 --> 01:23:35.840
>> And especially glyphosate, you know,

01:23:32.399 --> 01:23:38.960
used with wheat to dry it out. So it's

01:23:35.840 --> 01:23:41.360
not used uh as an herbicide. It's used

01:23:38.960 --> 01:23:42.960
to dry out the wheat at the end so that

01:23:41.359 --> 01:23:45.279
it doesn't get moldy,

01:23:42.960 --> 01:23:49.520
>> which is crazy. You're spraying poison

01:23:45.279 --> 01:23:51.279
on wheat. And most Americans, if you

01:23:49.520 --> 01:23:53.280
test them, have glyphosate in their

01:23:51.279 --> 01:23:54.880
blood, you know, and the apologists will

01:23:53.279 --> 01:23:56.079
say, "Oh, but it's at safe levels."

01:23:54.880 --> 01:23:57.760
Well, we don't even really know what

01:23:56.079 --> 01:24:00.479
that means. You We're talking about

01:23:57.760 --> 01:24:02.800
decades and decades of of consuming this

01:24:00.479 --> 01:24:05.359
stuff. That can't be good. I mean, it

01:24:02.800 --> 01:24:08.159
literally kills plants. It it destroys

01:24:05.359 --> 01:24:10.000
gut bacteria. It can't be good. It would

01:24:08.158 --> 01:24:12.719
would be better. When you eat overseas,

01:24:10.000 --> 01:24:15.279
like if I eat pasta or bread in in

01:24:12.719 --> 01:24:16.880
Italy, it you feel better. It doesn't

01:24:15.279 --> 01:24:19.039
kill you like it does in America. It

01:24:16.880 --> 01:24:19.840
doesn't like you don't get that same

01:24:19.039 --> 01:24:21.198
feeling.

01:24:19.840 --> 01:24:23.920
>> Interesting. I didn't know I don't know

01:24:21.198 --> 01:24:24.399
anything about glyphosate, but um one of

01:24:23.920 --> 01:24:26.239
the things I

01:24:24.399 --> 01:24:28.638
>> Do you guys use glyphosate in Canada?

01:24:26.238 --> 01:24:29.919
>> I don't know anything about it. I I feel

01:24:28.639 --> 01:24:31.279
bad saying that, but I should do my

01:24:29.920 --> 01:24:32.960
homework on that one. I

01:24:31.279 --> 01:24:34.800
>> We have corn that's engineered to

01:24:32.960 --> 01:24:37.439
survive glyphosate. We have Roundup

01:24:34.800 --> 01:24:39.760
ready corn. So So that you could spray

01:24:37.439 --> 01:24:41.119
glyphosate on the corn that kills all

01:24:39.760 --> 01:24:41.760
the other things that you don't want

01:24:41.119 --> 01:24:44.719
growing.

01:24:41.760 --> 01:24:48.400
>> Okay. But how is that how can that be

01:24:44.719 --> 01:24:52.158
good? Like most like they they did a

01:24:48.399 --> 01:24:54.638
test of uh California wines and what was

01:24:52.158 --> 01:24:57.279
the number? It was like some

01:24:54.639 --> 01:24:59.600
preposterous number of California wines

01:24:57.279 --> 01:25:01.119
tested positive for glyphosate.

01:24:59.600 --> 01:25:01.679
>> In the high 90s, I think.

01:25:01.119 --> 01:25:03.279
>> Okay.

01:25:01.679 --> 01:25:04.319
>> Which is just nuts.

01:25:03.279 --> 01:25:06.960
>> Yeah. I don't know anything about

01:25:04.319 --> 01:25:09.039
glyphosate. I have to admit my research.

01:25:06.960 --> 01:25:13.520
You've piqued my curiosity. The problem

01:25:09.039 --> 01:25:15.600
is in America, our food system is

01:25:13.520 --> 01:25:17.199
entirely dependent on it at this point.

01:25:15.600 --> 01:25:18.800
You know, they want to change it. And so

01:25:17.198 --> 01:25:21.039
there's a lot of strategies. One of them

01:25:18.800 --> 01:25:24.400
is there they they have these machines

01:25:21.039 --> 01:25:26.399
that use lasers. And these lasers go

01:25:24.399 --> 01:25:28.799
over a field and actually target the

01:25:26.399 --> 01:25:31.119
weeds. So instead of spraying poison on

01:25:28.800 --> 01:25:32.480
them, they just zap these weeds and they

01:25:31.119 --> 01:25:33.279
can identify the difference between the

01:25:32.479 --> 01:25:33.678
weed and the crop.

01:25:33.279 --> 01:25:34.079
>> Really?

01:25:33.679 --> 01:25:35.199
>> Yeah.

01:25:34.079 --> 01:25:37.198
>> That's incredible.

01:25:35.198 --> 01:25:37.839
>> Yeah. The wine was 10 out of 10 tested,

01:25:37.198 --> 01:25:38.719
but this

01:25:37.840 --> 01:25:40.400
>> 10 out of 10.

01:25:38.719 --> 01:25:41.920
>> I was looking at the Japanese obesity

01:25:40.399 --> 01:25:45.119
thing. They have an interesting law that

01:25:41.920 --> 01:25:46.719
they put in place in 2008 where I

01:25:45.119 --> 01:25:50.319
believe it says workplaces have to

01:25:46.719 --> 01:25:52.800
measure people's waists of adults over

01:25:50.319 --> 01:25:53.679
40 to find out if they're potentially

01:25:52.800 --> 01:25:54.159
overweight.

01:25:53.679 --> 01:25:55.520
>> Wow.

01:25:54.158 --> 01:25:57.039
>> Those people don't get fined. The

01:25:55.520 --> 01:25:58.560
companies get fined. So, they have to

01:25:57.039 --> 01:26:01.439
then provide them counseling, diet

01:25:58.560 --> 01:26:01.920
advice, exercise guidance, etc.

01:26:01.439 --> 01:26:04.158
>> Wow.

01:26:01.920 --> 01:26:06.880
>> And they also use a lower BMI than we

01:26:04.158 --> 01:26:09.519
do. There theirs starts at 25. It says

01:26:06.880 --> 01:26:12.480
it's because they have a higher risk in

01:26:09.520 --> 01:26:13.760
Asian populations for

01:26:12.479 --> 01:26:16.879
uh obesity.

01:26:13.760 --> 01:26:18.639
>> Interesting. I wonder why that is.

01:26:16.880 --> 01:26:19.520
>> I wonder if that's because of a lot of

01:26:18.639 --> 01:26:24.000
rice consumption.

01:26:19.520 --> 01:26:26.800
>> Way lower. 46 4 to 6% compared to 42%.

01:26:24.000 --> 01:26:31.198
>> Wow, that's crazy. Their obesity rates

01:26:26.800 --> 01:26:34.639
are 4 to 6%. And we're 42.

01:26:31.198 --> 01:26:36.000
42 is nuts. 42 is so crazy.

01:26:34.639 --> 01:26:38.639
>> Try to find out what the Japanese are

01:26:36.000 --> 01:26:40.560
doing. My next stop has got to be Tokyo.

01:26:38.639 --> 01:26:42.159
>> Yeah. Well, they eat healthy food, you

01:26:40.560 --> 01:26:43.440
know, and and that but that does make

01:26:42.158 --> 01:26:45.279
sense. I mean, implementing something

01:26:43.439 --> 01:26:47.119
like that, it sounds very restrictive,

01:26:45.279 --> 01:26:49.599
you know? I mean, I don't want to tell a

01:26:47.119 --> 01:26:50.960
guy he can't have a gut. Like, I I have

01:26:49.600 --> 01:26:52.800
a lot of friends that are fat and I love

01:26:50.960 --> 01:26:56.079
them to death. I'd like them to be

01:26:52.800 --> 01:26:57.920
healthy, but I wouldn't, you know, I

01:26:56.079 --> 01:27:00.399
don't believe you should have that kind

01:26:57.920 --> 01:27:02.079
of control over people. I think you

01:27:00.399 --> 01:27:03.359
should encourage healthy behavior. I

01:27:02.079 --> 01:27:05.039
don't think you should mandate it.

01:27:03.359 --> 01:27:07.359
>> Yeah, we need we need carrots, not

01:27:05.039 --> 01:27:08.399
sticks. Carrots literally.

01:27:07.359 --> 01:27:11.599
>> Literally.

01:27:08.399 --> 01:27:13.599
>> But the the system is like um you know,

01:27:11.600 --> 01:27:14.800
I think of the opioid thing. That's an

01:27:13.600 --> 01:27:16.480
incredible story. Really?

01:27:14.800 --> 01:27:18.159
>> That's a horrible story. That's a

01:27:16.479 --> 01:27:20.879
horrible story. And you know, the fact

01:27:18.158 --> 01:27:24.000
that no one's going to jail for that is

01:27:20.880 --> 01:27:27.679
infuriating. what they did and what the

01:27:24.000 --> 01:27:29.760
the deception that they use to pretend

01:27:27.679 --> 01:27:32.158
that that stuff is not addictive, that

01:27:29.760 --> 01:27:34.320
it's not the same as heroin is just

01:27:32.158 --> 01:27:36.238
absolutely atrocious. And the fact that

01:27:34.319 --> 01:27:38.479
they got away with it and that the

01:27:36.238 --> 01:27:40.079
Sackler family, just that one family, I

01:27:38.479 --> 01:27:42.000
don't know if you ever seen the Netflix

01:27:40.079 --> 01:27:44.238
docky drama series. Yeah.

01:27:42.000 --> 01:27:45.600
>> Painkiller or what was it? Was it called

01:27:44.238 --> 01:27:48.000
Painkiller?

01:27:45.600 --> 01:27:49.920
>> They're the guys from Purdue, right?

01:27:48.000 --> 01:27:52.238
>> Purdue Pharma. I think they were Purdue

01:27:49.920 --> 01:27:54.880
Pharma if I'm not mistaken. I mean, how

01:27:52.238 --> 01:27:58.718
many lives were destroyed by that?

01:27:54.880 --> 01:28:00.079
>> Well, a half a million ended in the US.

01:27:58.719 --> 01:28:02.800
>> Yeah. At least

01:28:00.079 --> 01:28:05.039
>> 50,000 in Canada. We lo we lost more

01:28:02.800 --> 01:28:07.360
people in the last 10 years to opioid

01:28:05.039 --> 01:28:08.800
overdoses than we lost fighting in the

01:28:07.359 --> 01:28:11.519
Second World War.

01:28:08.800 --> 01:28:13.440
>> And God, that's so crazy. And we, you

01:28:11.520 --> 01:28:16.480
know, these companies, I mean, it

01:28:13.439 --> 01:28:18.399
started in the states with Purdue and uh

01:28:16.479 --> 01:28:21.039
a number of others where they basically

01:28:18.399 --> 01:28:23.198
started lying to the system and paying

01:28:21.039 --> 01:28:25.439
they actually paid bonuses to

01:28:23.198 --> 01:28:28.719
distributors for every overdose they

01:28:25.439 --> 01:28:31.198
caused. They tracked the overdoses and

01:28:28.719 --> 01:28:32.800
then paid bonuses to distributors

01:28:31.198 --> 01:28:35.839
because that was an indicator of how

01:28:32.800 --> 01:28:38.400
successfully they were pushing the drugs

01:28:35.840 --> 01:28:40.159
onto doctors and pharmacists and the

01:28:38.399 --> 01:28:41.599
system. This all came all came out in

01:28:40.158 --> 01:28:42.799
the in the court uh because there was a

01:28:41.600 --> 01:28:44.719
huge lawsuit

01:28:42.800 --> 01:28:47.119
>> and they the companies had to pay $50

01:28:44.719 --> 01:28:49.119
billion because of an American

01:28:47.119 --> 01:28:51.359
government lawsuit against them, but

01:28:49.119 --> 01:28:52.399
they actually paid bonuses for overdose

01:28:51.359 --> 01:28:52.960
rates.

01:28:52.399 --> 01:28:54.319
>> That's true.

01:28:52.960 --> 01:28:56.800
>> That's insane.

01:28:54.319 --> 01:28:58.880
>> It's wild. And they they basically they

01:28:56.800 --> 01:29:01.360
were very very strategic. They said,

01:28:58.880 --> 01:29:03.039
"We're going to go to workingclass

01:29:01.359 --> 01:29:04.639
neighborhoods where there's huge

01:29:03.039 --> 01:29:07.119
unemployment." So, you know, in the rust

01:29:04.639 --> 01:29:09.440
belt of America where people were out of

01:29:07.119 --> 01:29:11.599
work and they obviously had some minor

01:29:09.439 --> 01:29:13.279
industrial injuries and said, you know,

01:29:11.600 --> 01:29:16.159
this will solve every ache and pain.

01:29:13.279 --> 01:29:17.679
Take Oxycontton. And it felt great when

01:29:16.158 --> 01:29:20.238
they first started taking it. And then

01:29:17.679 --> 01:29:22.399
it spread into Canada as well. And then

01:29:20.238 --> 01:29:24.638
it mutated in from Oxycontton into

01:29:22.399 --> 01:29:27.920
fentinyl, which is 100 times more

01:29:24.639 --> 01:29:30.400
powerful than heroin. It can stop your

01:29:27.920 --> 01:29:33.760
your lungs in 15 seconds. Just

01:29:30.399 --> 01:29:35.599
absolutely deadly. And uh we you know

01:29:33.760 --> 01:29:38.239
these companies these dirt bag companies

01:29:35.600 --> 01:29:40.239
should be paying uh hundreds of billions

01:29:38.238 --> 01:29:42.638
of dollars to cover the treatment and

01:29:40.238 --> 01:29:43.678
recovery of the people whose lives have

01:29:42.639 --> 01:29:46.159
been ruined by this.

01:29:43.679 --> 01:29:48.880
>> Well, it's just insane that they only

01:29:46.158 --> 01:29:50.879
had to pay a percentage of the amount of

01:29:48.880 --> 01:29:51.119
money that they profited.

01:29:50.880 --> 01:29:52.800
>> And

01:29:51.119 --> 01:29:53.279
>> it is insane. They should have gone to

01:29:52.800 --> 01:29:54.159
jail.

01:29:53.279 --> 01:29:55.599
>> They should have gone to jail. They

01:29:54.158 --> 01:29:56.879
should have had to pay first of all give

01:29:55.600 --> 01:29:57.440
all the money back.

01:29:56.880 --> 01:30:00.480
>> Yeah.

01:29:57.439 --> 01:30:01.839
>> I mean what you did was unbelievably

01:30:00.479 --> 01:30:03.678
evil. Absolutely.

01:30:01.840 --> 01:30:05.199
>> And you were allowed to profit from it,

01:30:03.679 --> 01:30:06.960
which is crazy.

01:30:05.198 --> 01:30:10.000
>> Even the Sackler family, the amount that

01:30:06.960 --> 01:30:11.119
they got fined was a small percentage of

01:30:10.000 --> 01:30:12.000
what they actually made.

01:30:11.119 --> 01:30:13.359
>> I don't know how people live with

01:30:12.000 --> 01:30:15.198
themselves when they do that.

01:30:13.359 --> 01:30:16.880
>> They're sociopaths. They have to be.

01:30:15.198 --> 01:30:19.119
>> They basically got into the entire

01:30:16.880 --> 01:30:21.520
system, the health care system, the

01:30:19.119 --> 01:30:24.399
medical accum community, and they pushed

01:30:21.520 --> 01:30:26.159
these over prescriptions. Um, and then

01:30:24.399 --> 01:30:28.238
they got this crazy idea that they

01:30:26.158 --> 01:30:30.559
pushed in places like Portland and

01:30:28.238 --> 01:30:31.839
Seattle and San Francisco that the

01:30:30.560 --> 01:30:33.760
government should start giving out

01:30:31.840 --> 01:30:35.440
opioids that are safer than the ones

01:30:33.760 --> 01:30:37.840
that are on the street as an alternative

01:30:35.439 --> 01:30:40.399
to keep people from having contaminated

01:30:37.840 --> 01:30:42.639
drugs, which made the problem even worse

01:30:40.399 --> 01:30:44.638
because those the the addicts would sell

01:30:42.639 --> 01:30:46.800
those to kids so that they could buy the

01:30:44.639 --> 01:30:50.079
harder stuff off the street and it

01:30:46.800 --> 01:30:51.920
expanded it even more. And um so one of

01:30:50.079 --> 01:30:54.000
the things we're focused on in my plan

01:30:51.920 --> 01:30:56.480
is is massive treatment and recovery

01:30:54.000 --> 01:30:57.920
programs to get people off drugs.

01:30:56.479 --> 01:31:00.799
Abstinence-based treatment is

01:30:57.920 --> 01:31:02.880
incredible. It gets very successful and

01:31:00.800 --> 01:31:04.639
uh we're saving lives now in Canada. You

01:31:02.880 --> 01:31:07.359
get them in, you get them counseling,

01:31:04.639 --> 01:31:10.239
group therapy treatment, uh sweat lodges

01:31:07.359 --> 01:31:12.960
for First Nations, uh people's um

01:31:10.238 --> 01:31:14.399
physical exercise is a big part of it. I

01:31:12.960 --> 01:31:15.840
went to one treatment center in

01:31:14.399 --> 01:31:17.759
Saskatchewan and they actually bought

01:31:15.840 --> 01:31:19.119
these rusted out weights and they had

01:31:17.760 --> 01:31:20.480
they had the guys like lifting weights

01:31:19.119 --> 01:31:21.519
and the bureaucrats are saying, "Well,

01:31:20.479 --> 01:31:22.479
why are you spending my money on

01:31:21.520 --> 01:31:23.679
weights? What does that have to do with

01:31:22.479 --> 01:31:25.359
it?" He says, "What's then the best

01:31:23.679 --> 01:31:27.440
thing we had?" These guys started to see

01:31:25.359 --> 01:31:28.719
their biceps grow and they're like, "I

01:31:27.439 --> 01:31:30.079
want to look like this and if I take

01:31:28.719 --> 01:31:31.279
drugs, I'm not going to look like this."

01:31:30.079 --> 01:31:33.600
So, it was one of the the best things

01:31:31.279 --> 01:31:36.000
they did. Um, then you get them into

01:31:33.600 --> 01:31:39.199
jobs and treatment and uh there's one

01:31:36.000 --> 01:31:41.198
guy that uh I met in BC, he he was going

01:31:39.198 --> 01:31:43.839
to kill himself. He drove his car into a

01:31:41.198 --> 01:31:45.839
brick wall because he was so ruined by

01:31:43.840 --> 01:31:48.159
his addiction, but he didn't die. He

01:31:45.840 --> 01:31:49.760
couldn't even pull it off. So, he

01:31:48.158 --> 01:31:51.439
actually went into treatment, turned his

01:31:49.760 --> 01:31:53.600
life around, started a business. He's

01:31:51.439 --> 01:31:55.039
got six employees, and now he's going

01:31:53.600 --> 01:31:56.560
out on the street and like helping, you

01:31:55.039 --> 01:31:58.960
know, pulling guys off the street and

01:31:56.560 --> 01:32:00.719
bringing them in and saving their lives.

01:31:58.960 --> 01:32:02.399
So, uh it's actually a really hopeful

01:32:00.719 --> 01:32:04.079
ending to the story if we can get to

01:32:02.399 --> 01:32:05.679
shift all our resources over to

01:32:04.079 --> 01:32:07.359
treatment and recovery services, which

01:32:05.679 --> 01:32:10.000
is one of my big uh objectives.

01:32:07.359 --> 01:32:12.799
>> Are you aware of Ibagane? No.

01:32:10.000 --> 01:32:15.679
>> So, former Republican governor of Texas

01:32:12.800 --> 01:32:17.920
Rick Perry is involved in this Ibegan

01:32:15.679 --> 01:32:19.600
initiative here in Texas. And one of the

01:32:17.920 --> 01:32:22.079
things that they found, you know, he

01:32:19.600 --> 01:32:23.679
works very closely with veterans and uh,

01:32:22.079 --> 01:32:26.158
you know, obviously a lot of these guys,

01:32:23.679 --> 01:32:29.920
they come back from the war, they have

01:32:26.158 --> 01:32:32.079
PTSD, they have a lot of pain, they get

01:32:29.920 --> 01:32:33.760
addicted to pills, and then they have an

01:32:32.079 --> 01:32:36.880
incredibly difficult time getting off of

01:32:33.760 --> 01:32:39.600
it. And there's a treatment called

01:32:36.880 --> 01:32:42.639
Ibagane. And Ibagane comes from the

01:32:39.600 --> 01:32:46.400
aboga tree. It's uh like a natural

01:32:42.639 --> 01:32:49.279
psychedelic that has no recreational

01:32:46.399 --> 01:32:51.839
use whatsoever. It's not fun and it's

01:32:49.279 --> 01:32:55.039
it's apparently a brutal 24-hour

01:32:51.840 --> 01:32:57.440
experience, but it rewires the brain,

01:32:55.039 --> 01:33:00.960
stops the pathways of addiction. And

01:32:57.439 --> 01:33:04.399
just one I gain treatment, one session,

01:33:00.960 --> 01:33:07.520
the amount of people that never go back

01:33:04.399 --> 01:33:07.839
to using those drugs is in the 80%.

01:33:07.520 --> 01:33:10.000
>> Really?

01:33:07.840 --> 01:33:10.719
>> When they do two sessions, it's in the

01:33:10.000 --> 01:33:11.279
'9s.

01:33:10.719 --> 01:33:12.639
>> Wow.

01:33:11.279 --> 01:33:14.719
>> It's incredible. So, they're

01:33:12.639 --> 01:33:18.319
implementing it here. And Rick Perry,

01:33:14.719 --> 01:33:21.359
who was like a staunch anti-drug

01:33:18.319 --> 01:33:24.719
hardline Republican guy, great guy, but

01:33:21.359 --> 01:33:26.319
realized from talking to these veterans,

01:33:24.719 --> 01:33:28.880
>> maybe you have to have an open mind and

01:33:26.319 --> 01:33:31.759
look at this. We have this blanket term

01:33:28.880 --> 01:33:33.039
that we use for drugs and we say, "Oh, I

01:33:31.760 --> 01:33:35.520
gain a drug. You don't want to take

01:33:33.039 --> 01:33:39.840
drugs." But this psychedelic, this

01:33:35.520 --> 01:33:44.000
Ibagane, apparently it it's like a

01:33:39.840 --> 01:33:47.920
24-hour review of your life that in some

01:33:44.000 --> 01:33:49.840
way, some chemical way, rewires your

01:33:47.920 --> 01:33:50.239
system and stops the pathways of

01:33:49.840 --> 01:33:51.679
addiction.

01:33:50.238 --> 01:33:52.238
>> It's like a factory reset.

01:33:51.679 --> 01:33:52.719
>> Yes.

01:33:52.238 --> 01:33:53.198
>> Wow.

01:33:52.719 --> 01:33:54.079
>> Yes.

01:33:53.198 --> 01:33:55.519
>> That's crazy.

01:33:54.079 --> 01:33:57.359
>> And so they're starting to implement it

01:33:55.520 --> 01:33:57.600
here in Texas and they're going to use

01:33:57.359 --> 01:33:59.119
it.

01:33:57.600 --> 01:34:00.960
>> So they studied this or they've done

01:33:59.119 --> 01:34:02.479
like a And they've done is it approved

01:34:00.960 --> 01:34:04.719
like as a treatment or what? Well, it's

01:34:02.479 --> 01:34:06.559
being approved here in Texas and they're

01:34:04.719 --> 01:34:08.239
trying to do it in other places. And I

01:34:06.560 --> 01:34:10.480
know uh a friend of mine, my friend Ed

01:34:08.238 --> 01:34:12.718
Clay, he started a center down in

01:34:10.479 --> 01:34:14.158
Mexico. And the reason why he did it was

01:34:12.719 --> 01:34:16.079
because he got hooked on pills. He hurt

01:34:14.158 --> 01:34:17.679
his back. He got hooked on pills. He had

01:34:16.079 --> 01:34:20.559
to figure out how to get off of it. And

01:34:17.679 --> 01:34:20.880
he did one ibagane session, got clean

01:34:20.560 --> 01:34:23.520
really

01:34:20.880 --> 01:34:25.440
>> and was like, I need to educate people

01:34:23.520 --> 01:34:26.560
and help people with this. And we start

01:34:25.439 --> 01:34:29.198
this system

01:34:26.560 --> 01:34:31.840
>> and you know, and it's very successful.

01:34:29.198 --> 01:34:34.158
I know multiple people that have done it

01:34:31.840 --> 01:34:36.319
and especially veterans that have done

01:34:34.158 --> 01:34:37.198
it and had profound changes in their

01:34:36.319 --> 01:34:37.840
life because of this.

01:34:37.198 --> 01:34:40.399
>> Amazing.

01:34:37.840 --> 01:34:42.000
>> Yeah. And again, there's no recreational

01:34:40.399 --> 01:34:43.439
use for this. There's no chance of

01:34:42.000 --> 01:34:45.520
abusing it. Okay.

01:34:43.439 --> 01:34:47.359
>> It's not fun. Like to get people to do

01:34:45.520 --> 01:34:49.920
it twice is very hard. Okay.

01:34:47.359 --> 01:34:53.119
>> But even doing it once, but if you do

01:34:49.920 --> 01:34:54.399
it, it's incredibly effective. Much more

01:34:53.119 --> 01:34:54.960
effective than any other form of

01:34:54.399 --> 01:34:55.759
therapy.

01:34:54.960 --> 01:34:57.039
>> Really? Yes.

01:34:55.760 --> 01:34:58.719
>> Okay. Well, I'll have to look out for

01:34:57.039 --> 01:34:59.840
that one cuz we need it. We still have a

01:34:58.719 --> 01:35:02.319
challenge up in Canada.

01:34:59.840 --> 01:35:05.840
>> I can connect you with Rick Perry and

01:35:02.319 --> 01:35:08.639
he's he's him and Brian Hubbert are

01:35:05.840 --> 01:35:10.400
incredible with their the advocacy and

01:35:08.639 --> 01:35:11.600
the the promotion of this what they've

01:35:10.399 --> 01:35:13.119
done is really amazing.

01:35:11.600 --> 01:35:15.520
>> Yeah, we got to we got to get uh get

01:35:13.119 --> 01:35:17.198
people off these drugs and uh you know

01:35:15.520 --> 01:35:19.360
we're we're doing we're making some good

01:35:17.198 --> 01:35:21.919
progress in Canada. Um our biggest

01:35:19.359 --> 01:35:24.639
challenges are are just the long-term

01:35:21.920 --> 01:35:27.520
aftermath of the opioid uh problem like

01:35:24.639 --> 01:35:30.000
you have had down here. But um but like

01:35:27.520 --> 01:35:32.320
I think uh I think we can overcome it

01:35:30.000 --> 01:35:34.000
and uh we have to try some new things in

01:35:32.319 --> 01:35:35.359
order to get people off these things cuz

01:35:34.000 --> 01:35:37.600
they're because it's when you're doing

01:35:35.359 --> 01:35:39.599
fentinol it's it's Russian roulette. It

01:35:37.600 --> 01:35:41.120
could be you might not have more than a

01:35:39.600 --> 01:35:41.840
day to live if you're still taking that

01:35:41.119 --> 01:35:43.039
stuff. So

01:35:41.840 --> 01:35:44.639
>> it's so dangerous.

01:35:43.039 --> 01:35:48.960
>> It's in everything. It's in so many

01:35:44.639 --> 01:35:51.600
different um street versions of pills

01:35:48.960 --> 01:35:54.079
that people think are safe like Xanax.

01:35:51.600 --> 01:35:55.679
There's like illegal Xanax like street

01:35:54.079 --> 01:35:57.198
Xanax and there's fentinyl in them.

01:35:55.679 --> 01:35:58.719
People take it and they die.

01:35:57.198 --> 01:36:00.399
>> Right. Absolutely. I've met so many

01:35:58.719 --> 01:36:01.840
mothers. They just come up to me at my

01:36:00.399 --> 01:36:03.198
rallies and things and they tell me the

01:36:01.840 --> 01:36:04.880
story and they show me a picture and you

01:36:03.198 --> 01:36:07.439
say, "Man, it's a beautiful child. That

01:36:04.880 --> 01:36:09.359
child looks healthy and smart and she

01:36:07.439 --> 01:36:10.719
went to a party and they were handing

01:36:09.359 --> 01:36:12.479
the [ __ ] out." And

01:36:10.719 --> 01:36:15.039
>> there's a high school kid here in town

01:36:12.479 --> 01:36:16.559
that took uh street aderall and it had

01:36:15.039 --> 01:36:17.198
fentinel in it and he died.

01:36:16.560 --> 01:36:18.639
>> Is that right?

01:36:17.198 --> 01:36:20.479
>> Yeah. Somebody sold them what he thought

01:36:18.639 --> 01:36:22.960
was aderall. Look, that's what killed

01:36:20.479 --> 01:36:23.759
Prince. That's what killed Tom Petty.

01:36:22.960 --> 01:36:25.520
>> Aderal.

01:36:23.760 --> 01:36:28.079
>> No. No. Fentinel. Fentinyl.

01:36:25.520 --> 01:36:30.159
>> They got street drugs from someone like

01:36:28.079 --> 01:36:32.158
they're both in pain and they they

01:36:30.158 --> 01:36:34.079
become addicted to the pills and then

01:36:32.158 --> 01:36:34.799
they got like a pill from a roadie.

01:36:34.079 --> 01:36:36.158
>> I didn't know that.

01:36:34.800 --> 01:36:37.840
>> And took it and died.

01:36:36.158 --> 01:36:39.679
>> I didn't know that. Petty, did he sing

01:36:37.840 --> 01:36:40.960
uh Last Dance?

01:36:39.679 --> 01:36:42.319
>> Last Dance for Mary Jane. Yeah.

01:36:40.960 --> 01:36:44.480
>> Right. That's really sad.

01:36:42.319 --> 01:36:46.158
>> Oh, he sung a bunch of amazing songs.

01:36:44.479 --> 01:36:48.399
American Girl. I mean, Tom Petty was a

01:36:46.158 --> 01:36:49.839
legend and died because of fentanyl.

01:36:48.399 --> 01:36:52.559
Prince is one of the great musical

01:36:49.840 --> 01:36:54.000
genius of of human history.

01:36:52.560 --> 01:36:56.400
>> And fentanyl got him too. died from

01:36:54.000 --> 01:36:58.479
fentanyl. He had hip pain. He needed a

01:36:56.399 --> 01:37:00.399
hip replacement. His hip was blown out

01:36:58.479 --> 01:37:01.919
and he was in agony all the time. So, he

01:37:00.399 --> 01:37:03.839
started taking pills and then next thing

01:37:01.920 --> 01:37:05.679
you know, you're hooked.

01:37:03.840 --> 01:37:06.159
>> I've had family members that got hooked

01:37:05.679 --> 01:37:08.239
on it.

01:37:06.158 --> 01:37:10.719
>> Is that right? Did they get through it?

01:37:08.238 --> 01:37:13.039
>> Well, one of them didn't. Yeah. I mean,

01:37:10.719 --> 01:37:15.359
he he hurt his back doing construction

01:37:13.039 --> 01:37:16.079
and started taking pills and now he's a

01:37:15.359 --> 01:37:17.920
waste.

01:37:16.079 --> 01:37:20.079
>> That's the sad thing. That's the sad

01:37:17.920 --> 01:37:22.399
thing is it's they're good people and

01:37:20.079 --> 01:37:24.158
they're not lawbreaking people. Often

01:37:22.399 --> 01:37:26.559
it's folks who work in physically

01:37:24.158 --> 01:37:28.559
demanding jobs, they get an injury

01:37:26.560 --> 01:37:31.440
>> and uh it's easy to judge, but when

01:37:28.560 --> 01:37:34.000
you're in excruciating pain and you find

01:37:31.439 --> 01:37:34.960
something that makes it go away, it's

01:37:34.000 --> 01:37:37.279
understandable.

01:37:34.960 --> 01:37:39.600
>> Also, if you're not educated in these

01:37:37.279 --> 01:37:41.198
subjects and you just trust the doctor,

01:37:39.600 --> 01:37:43.679
you go to a doctor and the doctor says

01:37:41.198 --> 01:37:45.198
you need pain medication and then all of

01:37:43.679 --> 01:37:45.600
a sudden you're on it.

01:37:45.198 --> 01:37:47.279
>> You know,

01:37:45.600 --> 01:37:49.520
>> it's it's easy to see how people get

01:37:47.279 --> 01:37:52.158
locked into that and and then they can't

01:37:49.520 --> 01:37:54.159
break loose. So, The pathway to physical

01:37:52.158 --> 01:37:57.279
addiction is it's so well known and

01:37:54.158 --> 01:37:59.279
studied. It's very very addictive, which

01:37:57.279 --> 01:38:01.118
is why it's so horrific that they

01:37:59.279 --> 01:38:02.479
actually promoted the fact that these

01:38:01.118 --> 01:38:02.960
things are not addictive when they were

01:38:02.479 --> 01:38:04.319
promoting them.

01:38:02.960 --> 01:38:06.399
>> No, they knew exactly what they were

01:38:04.319 --> 01:38:08.158
doing. They were absolute crooks. And

01:38:06.399 --> 01:38:09.519
I'm hoping we get big settlements out of

01:38:08.158 --> 01:38:10.559
them the way you did down here. And I

01:38:09.520 --> 01:38:12.159
want to put all that money into

01:38:10.560 --> 01:38:15.039
treatment and recovery. Get people off

01:38:12.158 --> 01:38:17.118
these drugs and rescue them. I think we

01:38:15.039 --> 01:38:19.118
can save these lives. The treatment, it

01:38:17.118 --> 01:38:20.639
works. It It's tough. Like the people

01:38:19.118 --> 01:38:23.198
who go through it, they say it's it was

01:38:20.639 --> 01:38:25.359
the worst experience of my life to go

01:38:23.198 --> 01:38:27.039
through that withdrawal, but it can be

01:38:25.359 --> 01:38:27.599
done and you come out stronger on the

01:38:27.039 --> 01:38:29.359
other side.

01:38:27.600 --> 01:38:31.199
>> It can be done. And and I think the most

01:38:29.359 --> 01:38:33.839
important thing is prevention and and

01:38:31.198 --> 01:38:35.919
education and letting kids know like,

01:38:33.840 --> 01:38:37.920
hey, this is not what you want to get

01:38:35.920 --> 01:38:39.679
involved with. You want to have a happy,

01:38:37.920 --> 01:38:41.279
successful life, this is going to stop

01:38:39.679 --> 01:38:43.440
that. This is going to keep you from

01:38:41.279 --> 01:38:44.559
having this might kill you and it's

01:38:43.439 --> 01:38:45.759
definitely going to ruin you.

01:38:44.560 --> 01:38:48.239
>> Yeah. But you're right about fitness

01:38:45.760 --> 01:38:49.520
though cuz when I was young I I I hung

01:38:48.238 --> 01:38:50.959
around with a lot of people who got into

01:38:49.520 --> 01:38:53.520
a lot of trouble and I could have ended

01:38:50.960 --> 01:38:55.679
up there. The reason I didn't frankly is

01:38:53.520 --> 01:38:57.280
sports. So I I had something else to

01:38:55.679 --> 01:38:58.800
drive me. So it's one of the reasons why

01:38:57.279 --> 01:39:00.719
we need to get our young people active

01:38:58.800 --> 01:39:02.239
in sporting activities when they're in

01:39:00.719 --> 01:39:04.079
that age group because if you're not

01:39:02.238 --> 01:39:05.759
giving them an outlet then they'll end

01:39:04.079 --> 01:39:08.238
up down that scary path.

01:39:05.760 --> 01:39:09.679
>> Oh 100%. And also you realize that if

01:39:08.238 --> 01:39:12.718
you want to be effective in sports like

01:39:09.679 --> 01:39:14.319
you can't party. It's like it'll rob you

01:39:12.719 --> 01:39:15.359
of your vitality.

01:39:14.319 --> 01:39:17.118
you of your performance.

01:39:15.359 --> 01:39:18.719
>> No, I when I played hockey and I I

01:39:17.118 --> 01:39:21.198
showed up a few times hung over and I

01:39:18.719 --> 01:39:22.480
was just [ __ ] Like I was terrible. But

01:39:21.198 --> 01:39:24.559
uh you learned pretty quick that you got

01:39:22.479 --> 01:39:26.079
to be on your game. So we've got to

01:39:24.560 --> 01:39:29.600
promote more of the fitness at the at

01:39:26.079 --> 01:39:30.800
the youth level as well. And um and is

01:39:29.600 --> 01:39:33.199
that happening here? It's funny. I

01:39:30.800 --> 01:39:34.960
remember when I came down here um as a

01:39:33.198 --> 01:39:39.759
16-year-old. I haven't been here in 30

01:39:34.960 --> 01:39:42.000
years. Um, I uh we we got into town and

01:39:39.760 --> 01:39:43.679
the people who were hosting us uh were

01:39:42.000 --> 01:39:46.158
driving us to their home and we saw this

01:39:43.679 --> 01:39:48.079
stadium and there's like 20,000 people

01:39:46.158 --> 01:39:50.079
and it was in Houston and I said, "Is

01:39:48.079 --> 01:39:51.279
that the Cowboys playing?" And they

01:39:50.079 --> 01:39:53.519
said, "No, no, that's that's a high

01:39:51.279 --> 01:39:55.198
school league." It's like, "Oh, okay. In

01:39:53.520 --> 01:39:58.000
Canada, we don't have high school

01:39:55.198 --> 01:40:00.479
leagues with 20,000 people coming out."

01:39:58.000 --> 01:40:00.960
>> But um but the sports are so massive

01:40:00.479 --> 01:40:03.519
here.

01:40:00.960 --> 01:40:05.279
>> Oh, football is gigantic here. It's a

01:40:03.520 --> 01:40:06.000
religion. Yeah, it's incredible.

01:40:05.279 --> 01:40:07.920
>> Crazy. And

01:40:06.000 --> 01:40:09.118
>> who do you cheer for, by the way?

01:40:07.920 --> 01:40:10.719
>> In in Texas.

01:40:09.118 --> 01:40:13.198
>> Yeah. You personally?

01:40:10.719 --> 01:40:13.520
>> Well, I I've got into UT football.

01:40:13.198 --> 01:40:15.919
>> Okay.

01:40:13.520 --> 01:40:19.840
>> I really love uh going to the UT games.

01:40:15.920 --> 01:40:22.800
It's uh it's so fun and it's so they're

01:40:19.840 --> 01:40:24.319
so enthusiastic and they they just love

01:40:22.800 --> 01:40:25.840
it. It's like when you're a part of it,

01:40:24.319 --> 01:40:27.359
when the touchdowns get scored and

01:40:25.840 --> 01:40:30.159
everybody's cheering, it's like it's

01:40:27.359 --> 01:40:31.519
it's so contagious, right? It's really

01:40:30.158 --> 01:40:33.359
amazing. And it's just like the

01:40:31.520 --> 01:40:34.880
enthusiasm they have for it. It's like

01:40:33.359 --> 01:40:37.439
you're like, "Wow." Like, "This is a

01:40:34.880 --> 01:40:38.960
great these people love this here." But

01:40:37.439 --> 01:40:40.799
I've I've been to high school football

01:40:38.960 --> 01:40:42.719
games and it's the same thing. Like pack

01:40:40.800 --> 01:40:44.239
stadiums for high school football games

01:40:42.719 --> 01:40:45.679
and you're like, "This is nuts, man.

01:40:44.238 --> 01:40:47.279
These people love their sports."

01:40:45.679 --> 01:40:49.118
>> We're like that for hockey in Canada.

01:40:47.279 --> 01:40:51.840
Oh, yeah. It is serious. Serious. Like

01:40:49.118 --> 01:40:52.960
parents are very fixated. And I think I

01:40:51.840 --> 01:40:54.560
think it's actually a good thing. Some

01:40:52.960 --> 01:40:56.000
people say, "Oh, it's terrible." I think

01:40:54.560 --> 01:40:56.960
it's great to have parents that are

01:40:56.000 --> 01:40:58.238
competitive because they're pushing

01:40:56.960 --> 01:40:59.439
their kids to be better and more

01:40:58.238 --> 01:41:02.319
excellent. And even if they don't end up

01:40:59.439 --> 01:41:03.919
as NHL hockey players, it gives them the

01:41:02.319 --> 01:41:06.559
comp competitive ed. And I want us to be

01:41:03.920 --> 01:41:08.560
a more competitive society.

01:41:06.560 --> 01:41:11.840
>> Well, when I was a kid, I I worked at

01:41:08.560 --> 01:41:14.000
the Boston Athletic Club. Um and uh one

01:41:11.840 --> 01:41:16.000
of the people that I I was a fitness

01:41:14.000 --> 01:41:17.359
instructor when I was 19, and one of the

01:41:16.000 --> 01:41:18.079
people that I worked with was Bobby

01:41:17.359 --> 01:41:18.960
Orur.

01:41:18.079 --> 01:41:20.319
>> Oh, really?

01:41:18.960 --> 01:41:21.840
>> Yeah. Bobby or used to come there and

01:41:20.319 --> 01:41:23.840
train him. We used to have to help him

01:41:21.840 --> 01:41:25.920
get on the Versa Climber machine because

01:41:23.840 --> 01:41:28.560
his body was so wrecked. Really?

01:41:25.920 --> 01:41:32.079
>> He had so many surgeries. His knees were

01:41:28.560 --> 01:41:34.000
so destroyed. He had scars all up and

01:41:32.079 --> 01:41:35.198
down his knee because he he had knee

01:41:34.000 --> 01:41:36.719
surgery back when they were just

01:41:35.198 --> 01:41:38.879
experimenting. You know, they didn't

01:41:36.719 --> 01:41:41.039
really know how to fix knees. They just

01:41:38.880 --> 01:41:42.319
cut you open, screwed things back

01:41:41.039 --> 01:41:43.920
together again, and then it would blow

01:41:42.319 --> 01:41:46.238
apart again, and then you'd wind up

01:41:43.920 --> 01:41:48.399
having another surgery. So, he had many,

01:41:46.238 --> 01:41:49.118
many knee surgeries, and he could barely

01:41:48.399 --> 01:41:50.559
walk,

01:41:49.118 --> 01:41:51.439
>> but he was still doing some kind of

01:41:50.560 --> 01:41:53.520
physical activity.

01:41:51.439 --> 01:41:56.000
>> Yeah, he was playing raetball. He was

01:41:53.520 --> 01:42:00.000
>> How old was he at the time?

01:41:56.000 --> 01:42:01.198
This was 1986.

01:42:00.000 --> 01:42:03.520
So I mean

01:42:01.198 --> 01:42:06.638
>> geez that's like what 40 years ago now?

01:42:03.520 --> 01:42:09.679
>> Uhhuh. Yeah. So he was

01:42:06.639 --> 01:42:12.079
you know he was probably in his 50s 40s

01:42:09.679 --> 01:42:14.480
or 50s. He was but he was he could

01:42:12.079 --> 01:42:15.439
barely walk. I mean he his knees didn't

01:42:14.479 --> 01:42:15.919
straighten out

01:42:15.439 --> 01:42:18.000
>> really.

01:42:15.920 --> 01:42:19.840
>> They they were always like slightly bent

01:42:18.000 --> 01:42:22.158
and they only bent that much. His range

01:42:19.840 --> 01:42:24.800
of motion was very small. So you had to

01:42:22.158 --> 01:42:26.799
help him like get on machines. but the

01:42:24.800 --> 01:42:28.320
nicest guy and a legend. Like you

01:42:26.800 --> 01:42:30.320
couldn't believe he was really there.

01:42:28.319 --> 01:42:32.079
>> Like he he would walk into the the gym

01:42:30.319 --> 01:42:34.000
and you're like, "Oh my god, really?" As

01:42:32.079 --> 01:42:35.600
I was 19, I never met a famous person

01:42:34.000 --> 01:42:36.319
and I was like, "That's Bobby or

01:42:35.600 --> 01:42:38.560
>> absolutely

01:42:36.319 --> 01:42:40.559
>> this is nuts." But it also made me

01:42:38.560 --> 01:42:42.239
realize like, boy, knee surgery is no

01:42:40.560 --> 01:42:44.800
joke. Like this guy was like an

01:42:42.238 --> 01:42:46.399
incredible athlete and now he can't even

01:42:44.800 --> 01:42:48.000
straighten his leg out.

01:42:46.399 --> 01:42:49.039
>> Yeah. It's all temporary. You got to

01:42:48.000 --> 01:42:52.158
take care of yourself.

01:42:49.039 --> 01:42:54.800
>> Yes. Do you do you have like residual

01:42:52.158 --> 01:42:55.039
injuries from fighting back in in the

01:42:54.800 --> 01:42:56.639
day?

01:42:55.039 --> 01:42:58.560
>> Oh yeah. Yeah. I've had three knee

01:42:56.639 --> 01:43:00.480
surgeries, two reconstructions.

01:42:58.560 --> 01:43:02.320
>> Was that from taekwond do?

01:43:00.479 --> 01:43:04.799
>> Yeah. And jiu-jitsu. One of one of my

01:43:02.319 --> 01:43:07.198
ACL injuries was from uh jiu-jitsu.

01:43:04.800 --> 01:43:08.880
>> And what uh like what injuries are the

01:43:07.198 --> 01:43:12.158
most common in jiu-jitsu?

01:43:08.880 --> 01:43:13.600
>> Knees, backs, necks, shoulders. Those

01:43:12.158 --> 01:43:15.839
are the big ones. Elbows.

01:43:13.600 --> 01:43:16.719
>> Is that because of the the arm bars and

01:43:15.840 --> 01:43:19.039
all that stuff?

01:43:16.719 --> 01:43:20.480
>> Yeah. Not tapping. That's a big one. A

01:43:19.039 --> 01:43:21.840
lot of a lot of guys get hurt just

01:43:20.479 --> 01:43:22.319
because their ego because they don't

01:43:21.840 --> 01:43:24.159
want to tap.

01:43:22.319 --> 01:43:25.759
>> And you don't you don't strike me as the

01:43:24.158 --> 01:43:27.439
type of guy who taps very quickly.

01:43:25.760 --> 01:43:29.440
>> Well, when I was younger, I was really

01:43:27.439 --> 01:43:31.039
stupid and I I wasn't into tapping.

01:43:29.439 --> 01:43:33.919
>> Right.

01:43:31.039 --> 01:43:35.439
>> But, uh, as I got older, I got a lot

01:43:33.920 --> 01:43:37.279
smarter. Fortunately, I got a lot

01:43:35.439 --> 01:43:39.198
better. So, I wasn't like in a situation

01:43:37.279 --> 01:43:41.198
where I had to tap a lot, but if I did,

01:43:39.198 --> 01:43:42.638
I did. I just tapped. And that's the

01:43:41.198 --> 01:43:44.559
smart thing to do. And I would tell

01:43:42.639 --> 01:43:46.000
people, treat it like you're playing

01:43:44.560 --> 01:43:48.320
basketball. Don't treat it like it's

01:43:46.000 --> 01:43:50.800
your life or death. The game is life or

01:43:48.319 --> 01:43:52.319
death. The game is if a guy gets you in

01:43:50.800 --> 01:43:53.679
an arm bar, he's essentially breaking

01:43:52.319 --> 01:43:54.799
your arm. If he breaks your arm, he can

01:43:53.679 --> 01:43:57.359
kill you, right?

01:43:54.800 --> 01:44:00.000
>> That's the game. But don't treat it like

01:43:57.359 --> 01:44:02.639
that. Treat it like you can tap and keep

01:44:00.000 --> 01:44:04.238
going. Or you can not tap and your arm's

01:44:02.639 --> 01:44:04.880
going to be destroyed maybe for the rest

01:44:04.238 --> 01:44:05.279
of your life.

01:44:04.880 --> 01:44:06.800
>> Right.

01:44:05.279 --> 01:44:08.800
>> And I've seen that happen with people

01:44:06.800 --> 01:44:10.159
where they're their forearm snaps and

01:44:08.800 --> 01:44:11.920
they have to have plates in it and then

01:44:10.158 --> 01:44:12.719
it's a chronic injury for the rest of

01:44:11.920 --> 01:44:14.719
their life.

01:44:12.719 --> 01:44:17.359
>> Right. Yeah. No, I can imagine that. And

01:44:14.719 --> 01:44:18.880
what about in in taekwond do like you

01:44:17.359 --> 01:44:20.238
you told the story once about how you

01:44:18.880 --> 01:44:21.440
really clocked a guy. I think it was a

01:44:20.238 --> 01:44:22.799
real kick or something

01:44:21.439 --> 01:44:24.960
>> and that like freaked you out.

01:44:22.800 --> 01:44:26.719
>> That changed my whole outlook on

01:44:24.960 --> 01:44:28.960
fighting because I realized that could

01:44:26.719 --> 01:44:30.880
happen to me. And I I had knocked people

01:44:28.960 --> 01:44:33.039
out before, but I'd never knocked

01:44:30.880 --> 01:44:34.639
anybody out where they didn't get up.

01:44:33.039 --> 01:44:36.719
Like usually they get up and they're

01:44:34.639 --> 01:44:38.560
wobbly and you know they get sat down

01:44:36.719 --> 01:44:40.800
and the you know medics take care of

01:44:38.560 --> 01:44:43.520
them and you know after a while they're

01:44:40.800 --> 01:44:46.480
walking around and this guy never got up

01:44:43.520 --> 01:44:49.760
and I never really got over that. I

01:44:46.479 --> 01:44:52.399
never had the same u lust for hurting

01:44:49.760 --> 01:44:54.400
people cuz it was just I was young you

01:44:52.399 --> 01:44:57.359
know I was 19 and when you're 19 you

01:44:54.399 --> 01:44:59.039
think you're invincible or you don't you

01:44:57.359 --> 01:45:00.639
don't think about the consequ I knew I

01:44:59.039 --> 01:45:02.560
could get hurt. I've been hurt before.

01:45:00.639 --> 01:45:04.319
I'd been kicked really hard and punched

01:45:02.560 --> 01:45:06.560
really hard before. I knew I was

01:45:04.319 --> 01:45:08.238
vulnerable, but I didn't think there

01:45:06.560 --> 01:45:09.440
would going to be anything permanent.

01:45:08.238 --> 01:45:10.000
>> Did the guy ever get out of the

01:45:09.439 --> 01:45:11.279
hospital?

01:45:10.000 --> 01:45:12.719
>> I don't know. Really?

01:45:11.279 --> 01:45:13.198
>> I don't know what happened to him.

01:45:12.719 --> 01:45:14.239
>> Well, maybe

01:45:13.198 --> 01:45:15.599
>> I don't know what happened to him.

01:45:14.238 --> 01:45:16.799
>> Maybe he'll hear the show and give you a

01:45:15.600 --> 01:45:17.920
call and say that he's all right.

01:45:16.800 --> 01:45:19.119
>> Oh, no. No. He probably don't want to

01:45:17.920 --> 01:45:21.118
talk to me.

01:45:19.118 --> 01:45:24.158
>> Well, your your spinning back kick is

01:45:21.118 --> 01:45:25.599
incredible. I saw you and GSP doing that

01:45:24.158 --> 01:45:26.799
uh video where you were showing him how

01:45:25.600 --> 01:45:28.239
to do the back kick. Yeah.

01:45:26.800 --> 01:45:30.000
>> Did he ever use that in a fight?

01:45:28.238 --> 01:45:30.238
>> Yeah, he did. Yeah, he did. He landed

01:45:30.000 --> 01:45:31.920
it.

01:45:30.238 --> 01:45:33.198
>> Yeah, he used it a lot. It's a thing

01:45:31.920 --> 01:45:36.639
that like

01:45:33.198 --> 01:45:37.279
>> it you have to almost grow up doing it,

01:45:36.639 --> 01:45:39.279
>> right?

01:45:37.279 --> 01:45:41.359
>> You know, unless you're deal like Jon

01:45:39.279 --> 01:45:43.519
Jones developed it later in his career.

01:45:41.359 --> 01:45:45.519
>> I saw that he wizard, but he kind of

01:45:43.520 --> 01:45:47.040
like started implementing it uh like

01:45:45.520 --> 01:45:48.159
like sort of three two/3 through through

01:45:47.039 --> 01:45:48.479
his career. Did you teach him how to do

01:45:48.158 --> 01:45:50.000
that?

01:45:48.479 --> 01:45:51.519
>> No. No, I did not. He worked with a taco

01:45:50.000 --> 01:45:53.679
with no coach in Albuquerque.

01:45:51.520 --> 01:45:55.520
>> Okay. and uh he just really worked on

01:45:53.679 --> 01:45:57.359
that one technique specifically when he

01:45:55.520 --> 01:45:59.119
went up to heavyweight because the guys

01:45:57.359 --> 01:46:01.118
would be first of all less agile and

01:45:59.118 --> 01:46:02.639
mobile and also it was the kind of

01:46:01.118 --> 01:46:03.679
technique where he could stop a guy with

01:46:02.639 --> 01:46:05.920
one shot right

01:46:03.679 --> 01:46:07.359
>> and when you're a guy who's smaller than

01:46:05.920 --> 01:46:08.719
most heavyweights which John is because

01:46:07.359 --> 01:46:11.279
he was a light heavyweight so he was

01:46:08.719 --> 01:46:13.279
fighting at 205 most of his career and

01:46:11.279 --> 01:46:15.118
just as a challenge decided to go up to

01:46:13.279 --> 01:46:18.158
heavyweight but he's so intelligent he

01:46:15.118 --> 01:46:20.319
realized like I need a one shot that I

01:46:18.158 --> 01:46:23.519
could put people away so he spent hours

01:46:20.319 --> 01:46:24.319
and hours every week just going over the

01:46:23.520 --> 01:46:25.679
spinning back kick.

01:46:24.319 --> 01:46:26.238
>> Really? To the body or the head?

01:46:25.679 --> 01:46:26.719
>> Yeah, the body.

01:46:26.238 --> 01:46:28.638
>> The body.

01:46:26.719 --> 01:46:31.600
>> Yeah. It's like getting hit by a car,

01:46:28.639 --> 01:46:34.000
>> right? You with that sp like a wheel

01:46:31.600 --> 01:46:36.880
kick to the head is really difficult to

01:46:34.000 --> 01:46:38.800
develop. That's It's like a fast twitch

01:46:36.880 --> 01:46:42.639
thing that it's almost like your body

01:46:38.800 --> 01:46:44.960
has to evolve and grow doing that to

01:46:42.639 --> 01:46:46.319
really develop the kind of speed that

01:46:44.960 --> 01:46:48.399
you could pull it off on a skilled

01:46:46.319 --> 01:46:50.079
opponent in a fight. the accuracy like

01:46:48.399 --> 01:46:50.638
to try and time that all that must be

01:46:50.079 --> 01:46:52.399
incredible.

01:46:50.639 --> 01:46:53.840
>> I mean there's there's there's freak

01:46:52.399 --> 01:46:54.960
athletes that could pick it up later in

01:46:53.840 --> 01:46:56.000
life. There's some people that are just

01:46:54.960 --> 01:46:58.560
really good at everything. They just

01:46:56.000 --> 01:47:01.359
have amazing dexterity and coordination

01:46:58.560 --> 01:47:04.159
and but for most people you like I

01:47:01.359 --> 01:47:07.519
learned it when I was a kid. So like my

01:47:04.158 --> 01:47:09.679
body matured doing those things. My body

01:47:07.520 --> 01:47:12.000
matured kicking and it became a part of

01:47:09.679 --> 01:47:13.600
like just my average like normal

01:47:12.000 --> 01:47:14.399
movement of life,

01:47:13.600 --> 01:47:16.960
>> right? You know

01:47:14.399 --> 01:47:19.279
>> that's amazing. Uh, and uh, the the

01:47:16.960 --> 01:47:21.198
spinning back kick though, uh, is it

01:47:19.279 --> 01:47:22.399
typically a body kick you throw? Is that

01:47:21.198 --> 01:47:24.000
>> when you throw I've thrown it to the

01:47:22.399 --> 01:47:25.039
face, too? Especially a jump spinning

01:47:24.000 --> 01:47:25.439
back kick to the face.

01:47:25.039 --> 01:47:27.439
>> Wow.

01:47:25.439 --> 01:47:29.359
>> But, um, the the

01:47:27.439 --> 01:47:30.960
>> Wasn't it really the Koreans that

01:47:29.359 --> 01:47:33.279
developed so they could actually kick a

01:47:30.960 --> 01:47:34.399
man off a horse in war? Is that why the

01:47:33.279 --> 01:47:36.399
kicks are so high?

01:47:34.399 --> 01:47:38.399
>> I don't think so. I think it was just

01:47:36.399 --> 01:47:39.920
cuz they were they're smaller in stature

01:47:38.399 --> 01:47:41.198
and they realized that you had to have

01:47:39.920 --> 01:47:41.679
more powerful kicks.

01:47:41.198 --> 01:47:43.599
>> Okay.

01:47:41.679 --> 01:47:45.039
>> You know, like cuz your legs are always

01:47:43.600 --> 01:47:46.960
carrying your body around. There's a lot

01:47:45.039 --> 01:47:48.319
more mass to your muscles and your legs

01:47:46.960 --> 01:47:49.520
and there's a lot more force you can

01:47:48.319 --> 01:47:52.000
generate with your kicks.

01:47:49.520 --> 01:47:55.119
>> Did you ever see the fight between Rick

01:47:52.000 --> 01:47:56.319
Rufus and that Muay Thai guy? Oh yeah.

01:47:55.118 --> 01:47:58.719
>> Wasn't that incredible?

01:47:56.319 --> 01:48:00.559
>> Yeah, that changed kickboxing. We've

01:47:58.719 --> 01:48:01.679
we've showed that fight a hundred times

01:48:00.560 --> 01:48:03.280
on this podcast.

01:48:01.679 --> 01:48:05.520
>> It's amazing because it was like

01:48:03.279 --> 01:48:07.039
Americans versus Thai and

01:48:05.520 --> 01:48:07.920
>> but we didn't really understand leg

01:48:07.039 --> 01:48:11.039
kicks, right?

01:48:07.920 --> 01:48:13.199
>> Because PKA karate and I found this out

01:48:11.039 --> 01:48:14.719
later because of Benny Eritz who came in

01:48:13.198 --> 01:48:17.599
the podcast. He told me that the reason

01:48:14.719 --> 01:48:19.920
why they didn't allow leg kicks in PKA

01:48:17.600 --> 01:48:22.960
karate was because of Bill Wallace. So

01:48:19.920 --> 01:48:24.560
Bill Superfoot Wallace famously had one

01:48:22.960 --> 01:48:26.560
leg that he kicked with. It was cuz his

01:48:24.560 --> 01:48:28.000
other leg, he had a bad knee, right?

01:48:26.560 --> 01:48:28.639
>> And he didn't want anybody kicking his

01:48:28.000 --> 01:48:29.279
legs.

01:48:28.639 --> 01:48:32.159
>> Interesting.

01:48:29.279 --> 01:48:33.439
>> So he promoted this idea that only have

01:48:32.158 --> 01:48:34.000
above the waist kicks,

01:48:33.439 --> 01:48:35.839
>> right?

01:48:34.000 --> 01:48:37.439
>> And that's what we had in America. Like

01:48:35.840 --> 01:48:39.039
that's what Johnny Etero fought most.

01:48:37.439 --> 01:48:39.919
>> That's right. He did. He fought Rufus

01:48:39.039 --> 01:48:42.319
himself actually.

01:48:39.920 --> 01:48:43.920
>> Yes. Yeah. No, that that that was

01:48:42.319 --> 01:48:47.519
incredible because if you looked at the

01:48:43.920 --> 01:48:50.000
the art form, Rufus was so much more

01:48:47.520 --> 01:48:51.920
beautiful to watch than the tie guy. He

01:48:50.000 --> 01:48:54.399
came in, he sp he broke the guy's jaw in

01:48:51.920 --> 01:48:55.760
the first round, I think. Hey, he

01:48:54.399 --> 01:48:56.719
knocked him down a few times. Was it

01:48:55.760 --> 01:48:58.079
once or twice?

01:48:56.719 --> 01:48:59.359
>> He knocked him down a couple times, I

01:48:58.079 --> 01:49:00.880
believe. But it was really

01:48:59.359 --> 01:49:02.559
>> And the guy just kept chopping his leg

01:49:00.880 --> 01:49:04.239
and and then I think he he went out in a

01:49:02.560 --> 01:49:05.679
in a stretcher because his leg was

01:49:04.238 --> 01:49:07.039
busted in like nine places or something.

01:49:05.679 --> 01:49:08.239
>> He didn't know what to do. He didn't

01:49:07.039 --> 01:49:10.238
understand it. What was really

01:49:08.238 --> 01:49:12.319
interesting is his brother Duke became a

01:49:10.238 --> 01:49:12.718
Muay Thai world champion after that

01:49:12.319 --> 01:49:14.639
fight.

01:49:12.719 --> 01:49:16.399
>> Was that the Was that the the guy who

01:49:14.639 --> 01:49:17.840
was at the fight commenting after the

01:49:16.399 --> 01:49:19.039
fight? Yes, I remember that.

01:49:17.840 --> 01:49:20.480
>> He was saying it doesn't take any

01:49:19.039 --> 01:49:21.920
>> There's no skill. Yes, I remember that.

01:49:20.479 --> 01:49:23.678
>> Well, he he was embarrassed by that

01:49:21.920 --> 01:49:25.199
later in his life because he became one

01:49:23.679 --> 01:49:27.359
of the top MMA trainers.

01:49:25.198 --> 01:49:29.118
>> Really? And he he took on Muay Thai.

01:49:27.359 --> 01:49:31.118
>> Yes. Well, he became a Muay Thai world

01:49:29.118 --> 01:49:33.039
champion and he developed Rufus Sport,

01:49:31.118 --> 01:49:34.799
which is a great gym in Milwaukee. A top

01:49:33.039 --> 01:49:38.560
gym. Developed world champions like

01:49:34.800 --> 01:49:40.079
Anthony Pettis. So he was uh you know he

01:49:38.560 --> 01:49:41.600
was a pioneer. It was one of the guys

01:49:40.079 --> 01:49:43.359
that had to figure it out and you know

01:49:41.600 --> 01:49:45.039
he spent time in Thailand. They all they

01:49:43.359 --> 01:49:45.599
all learned it. They had to learn

01:49:45.039 --> 01:49:46.800
>> because it was

01:49:45.600 --> 01:49:48.880
>> Where's the best place in Thailand to

01:49:46.800 --> 01:49:49.199
go? Is it Fuket? Is it Bangkok? Like

01:49:48.880 --> 01:49:50.400
where?

01:49:49.198 --> 01:49:52.399
>> Oh, there's so many good places.

01:49:50.399 --> 01:49:54.399
Thailand's the real motherland of Muay

01:49:52.399 --> 01:49:56.799
Thai obviously. And it's like, you know,

01:49:54.399 --> 01:49:59.039
um Phuket's amazing.

01:49:56.800 --> 01:50:03.039
Bangkok's amazing. I mean, there's so

01:49:59.039 --> 01:50:03.840
many amazing gyms that are in uh in

01:50:03.039 --> 01:50:05.519
Thailand.

01:50:03.840 --> 01:50:07.119
>> They're tough. There's whole strips in

01:50:05.520 --> 01:50:08.719
Phuket. My wife and I were there on

01:50:07.118 --> 01:50:10.079
vacation once and we just stumbled on

01:50:08.719 --> 01:50:12.319
this whole street

01:50:10.079 --> 01:50:14.319
>> and uh you could do there was sort of

01:50:12.319 --> 01:50:16.559
Americanstyle boxing. There was there

01:50:14.319 --> 01:50:18.319
was a CrossFit type thing. Then there

01:50:16.560 --> 01:50:20.000
was that Tiger Muay Thai and a bunch of

01:50:18.319 --> 01:50:21.759
other Muay Thai facilities. And then

01:50:20.000 --> 01:50:23.520
there's there's like street vendors that

01:50:21.760 --> 01:50:26.239
would were were cooking meals

01:50:23.520 --> 01:50:28.239
specifically for people who are there

01:50:26.238 --> 01:50:31.039
training. Um, like you could buy a

01:50:28.238 --> 01:50:33.839
beautiful hard-boiled eggs and and

01:50:31.039 --> 01:50:36.158
avocado and uh chicken strips and this

01:50:33.840 --> 01:50:37.760
is like high protein just catered to the

01:50:36.158 --> 01:50:40.000
people who come from around the world to

01:50:37.760 --> 01:50:40.400
train for like five, six weeks in a in a

01:50:40.000 --> 01:50:41.520
clinic.

01:50:40.399 --> 01:50:44.238
>> And there's people that do it just

01:50:41.520 --> 01:50:46.400
recreationally. My friend Mark, he's uh

01:50:44.238 --> 01:50:46.879
he's a businessman. He's in his 60s and

01:50:46.399 --> 01:50:48.000
he did it.

01:50:46.880 --> 01:50:48.800
>> He went over to Thailand.

01:50:48.000 --> 01:50:51.279
>> Did he survive?

01:50:48.800 --> 01:50:52.880
>> Yeah, he trained. He spars all I saw him

01:50:51.279 --> 01:50:54.238
the other day. He had a black eye. He's

01:50:52.880 --> 01:50:55.760
in his 60s. I'm like, what are you

01:50:54.238 --> 01:50:58.319
doing, man? So if you were starting from

01:50:55.760 --> 01:51:01.440
scratch, you and you wanted to be a MMA,

01:50:58.319 --> 01:51:03.679
would you do like you go to uh Thailand

01:51:01.439 --> 01:51:05.279
and do a do like a two months there and

01:51:03.679 --> 01:51:06.639
then go to Dagistan to learn how to

01:51:05.279 --> 01:51:07.198
wrestle? Is that would that be the best

01:51:06.639 --> 01:51:08.880
combo?

01:51:07.198 --> 01:51:10.719
>> If you were starting out, if you're a

01:51:08.880 --> 01:51:12.159
kid, I would say wrestling. Wrestling is

01:51:10.719 --> 01:51:14.000
number one. Yeah, that's the most

01:51:12.158 --> 01:51:15.679
important thing to learn because if a

01:51:14.000 --> 01:51:17.118
guy can take you down, he could do

01:51:15.679 --> 01:51:18.800
whatever he wants to. If he could take

01:51:17.118 --> 01:51:19.359
you down and hold you down and beat you

01:51:18.800 --> 01:51:20.880
up,

01:51:19.359 --> 01:51:22.960
>> if you don't know how to wrestle, you

01:51:20.880 --> 01:51:24.560
can't fight. Right. You needed at least

01:51:22.960 --> 01:51:26.319
to learn wrestling just to understand

01:51:24.560 --> 01:51:28.560
wrestling take down defense.

01:51:26.319 --> 01:51:29.118
>> But you did jiu-jitsu later in life,

01:51:28.560 --> 01:51:29.520
didn't you?

01:51:29.118 --> 01:51:29.839
>> Yes.

01:51:29.520 --> 01:51:32.320
>> Right.

01:51:29.840 --> 01:51:33.440
>> I didn't start jiu-jitsu till I was 29,

01:51:32.319 --> 01:51:35.359
I think.

01:51:33.439 --> 01:51:36.719
>> Yeah. And who who do you like right now?

01:51:35.359 --> 01:51:38.079
Who do you think is the most interesting

01:51:36.719 --> 01:51:40.079
fighter to watch these days?

01:51:38.079 --> 01:51:42.719
>> Oh, there's so many. It's impossible to

01:51:40.079 --> 01:51:44.880
say the most interesting. There's a guy

01:51:42.719 --> 01:51:48.239
uh from Spain, Ilia.

01:51:44.880 --> 01:51:51.279
>> Yeah. I really like Tapora. He's

01:51:48.238 --> 01:51:52.718
what David Gogggins calls uncommon

01:51:51.279 --> 01:51:53.519
amongst uncommon men.

01:51:52.719 --> 01:51:55.198
>> Want some more coffee?

01:51:53.520 --> 01:51:57.440
>> No, no, thank you. I'm good. Thank you.

01:51:55.198 --> 01:51:59.759
He's a freak. I mean, he's just

01:51:57.439 --> 01:52:01.598
incredibly talented.

01:51:59.760 --> 01:52:03.520
>> Weird. Weirdly talented. Like his last

01:52:01.599 --> 01:52:04.960
three fights, he knocked out three

01:52:03.520 --> 01:52:05.679
all-time greats.

01:52:04.960 --> 01:52:11.920
>> Holloway.

01:52:05.679 --> 01:52:13.599
>> Yeah. Holloway, Alexander, um um uh and

01:52:11.920 --> 01:52:16.880
um

01:52:13.599 --> 01:52:18.480
uh Charles Olivera. So that's crazy.

01:52:16.880 --> 01:52:20.000
Vulcganowski, who's like one of the

01:52:18.479 --> 01:52:22.319
greatest featherweights of all time,

01:52:20.000 --> 01:52:23.760
knocked him out, knocked out Max

01:52:22.319 --> 01:52:25.279
Holloway, another one of the greatest

01:52:23.760 --> 01:52:26.560
featherweights of all time. And then

01:52:25.279 --> 01:52:28.319
Charles Olivera, one of the greatest

01:52:26.560 --> 01:52:30.239
lightweights of all time. He knocks out

01:52:28.319 --> 01:52:31.118
three guys in three fights. There's no

01:52:30.238 --> 01:52:32.799
one has a resume like that.

01:52:31.118 --> 01:52:35.118
>> And he's not like, as I understand, he

01:52:32.800 --> 01:52:37.679
was a Greco Roman guy, right?

01:52:35.118 --> 01:52:40.000
>> And he became a boxer later on.

01:52:37.679 --> 01:52:42.158
>> He's just How do you describe? How do

01:52:40.000 --> 01:52:44.079
you describe

01:52:42.158 --> 01:52:46.000
like so I'm I'm not I'm not

01:52:44.079 --> 01:52:47.439
knowledgeable in this area, but it the

01:52:46.000 --> 01:52:48.560
way he he almost looks like he has a

01:52:47.439 --> 01:52:50.399
Philly shell.

01:52:48.560 --> 01:52:51.440
>> Is that a Philly shell what he does with

01:52:50.399 --> 01:52:54.238
>> a little bit of that? Well, he has

01:52:51.439 --> 01:52:58.638
amazing defense. It's just amazing

01:52:54.238 --> 01:53:01.279
awareness and he pattern recognition,

01:52:58.639 --> 01:53:03.199
technique. It's he's like he's a

01:53:01.279 --> 01:53:04.719
combination of all things, right?

01:53:03.198 --> 01:53:07.359
incredible confidence, incredible

01:53:04.719 --> 01:53:10.079
intelligence, insane discipline, work

01:53:07.359 --> 01:53:12.799
ethic, but just uh great training

01:53:10.079 --> 01:53:14.880
methods. Like he does everything right.

01:53:12.800 --> 01:53:17.440
And then insane confidence. Like his

01:53:14.880 --> 01:53:19.118
confidence is insane. He when he fought

01:53:17.439 --> 01:53:21.839
Charles Olivera for the lightweight

01:53:19.118 --> 01:53:23.839
title, he celebrated his victory the

01:53:21.840 --> 01:53:25.920
night before. He had a party to

01:53:23.840 --> 01:53:27.440
celebrate the night before the fight and

01:53:25.920 --> 01:53:28.880
then went out and knocked Charles out in

01:53:27.439 --> 01:53:30.719
the first round and said he was going to

01:53:28.880 --> 01:53:31.599
knock Charles out in the first round.

01:53:30.719 --> 01:53:32.719
>> That's incredible.

01:53:31.599 --> 01:53:34.239
>> One punch. Boom.

01:53:32.719 --> 01:53:35.840
>> But you know what impresses me most

01:53:34.238 --> 01:53:37.759
about him is how he got up after that

01:53:35.840 --> 01:53:39.520
kick to the head he took. That was

01:53:37.760 --> 01:53:41.440
incredible. And you know who else did

01:53:39.520 --> 01:53:43.920
that was GSP. Remember when GSP took

01:53:41.439 --> 01:53:45.359
that head and he went down but he

01:53:43.920 --> 01:53:48.158
recovered quickly

01:53:45.359 --> 01:53:49.920
>> and he was talking to me about how cuz I

01:53:48.158 --> 01:53:52.319
said to him like in politics you get hit

01:53:49.920 --> 01:53:54.079
you get hit right and not not physically

01:53:52.319 --> 01:53:56.079
if you're lucky but but you have to be

01:53:54.079 --> 01:53:57.679
able to get up quickly and react to it.

01:53:56.079 --> 01:53:59.840
And I asked him how did you do it? How

01:53:57.679 --> 01:54:02.239
did you like how does your brain go from

01:53:59.840 --> 01:54:04.400
taking that kind of hit to getting back

01:54:02.238 --> 01:54:06.319
in the fight and turning it around? And

01:54:04.399 --> 01:54:07.759
he said he like it's t two very deep

01:54:06.319 --> 01:54:09.679
breaths through the nose and then out

01:54:07.760 --> 01:54:11.199
through the mouth and get some oxygen

01:54:09.679 --> 01:54:13.039
back into your system and focus your

01:54:11.198 --> 01:54:13.839
mind. I thought that was an incredible

01:54:13.039 --> 01:54:16.639
lesson.

01:54:13.840 --> 01:54:18.719
>> Well, I mean it's all in how you get

01:54:16.639 --> 01:54:19.039
kicked cuz you could just get knocked

01:54:18.719 --> 01:54:20.000
out

01:54:19.039 --> 01:54:21.359
>> and then it's over.

01:54:20.000 --> 01:54:23.359
>> There's nothing you could do. If you get

01:54:21.359 --> 01:54:25.359
shut off, you get shut off and certain

01:54:23.359 --> 01:54:27.279
people get shut off. It just you just

01:54:25.359 --> 01:54:29.439
get kicked. You can get kicked and it

01:54:27.279 --> 01:54:31.198
kind of glances off of you or you can

01:54:29.439 --> 01:54:33.279
get kicked and it just slams right into

01:54:31.198 --> 01:54:34.079
the side of your neck and it the lights

01:54:33.279 --> 01:54:36.079
go dark,

01:54:34.079 --> 01:54:38.639
>> right? But if you're if you're still

01:54:36.079 --> 01:54:40.800
able to to recover and and think

01:54:38.639 --> 01:54:43.199
quickly, it's incredible to have that

01:54:40.800 --> 01:54:44.560
kind of pre-programming to ready you for

01:54:43.198 --> 01:54:47.198
a moment like that.

01:54:44.560 --> 01:54:49.679
>> Well, I mean that's a big part of his

01:54:47.198 --> 01:54:51.839
what I was talking about the the camp

01:54:49.679 --> 01:54:53.760
that he comes from. I mean, Farasa Hab

01:54:51.840 --> 01:54:55.599
is like one of the most intelligent and

01:54:53.760 --> 01:54:56.159
one of the most brilliant trainers in

01:54:55.599 --> 01:54:56.719
the sport.

01:54:56.158 --> 01:54:58.158
>> Who's this?

01:54:56.719 --> 01:54:59.520
>> Farasa Hobby. He's the guy from

01:54:58.158 --> 01:55:01.679
Montreal. Tristar.

01:54:59.520 --> 01:55:02.639
>> So, he's the guy who trains just

01:55:01.679 --> 01:55:04.079
>> trains GSP.

01:55:02.639 --> 01:55:06.480
>> Oh, GSP. Okay. Yes.

01:55:04.079 --> 01:55:09.118
>> And I mean, I think that is that's a big

01:55:06.479 --> 01:55:10.799
part of why GSP was able to recover.

01:55:09.118 --> 01:55:11.279
Like they prepare for everything,

01:55:10.800 --> 01:55:12.880
>> right?

01:55:11.279 --> 01:55:15.920
>> You know, it's like there's nothing left

01:55:12.880 --> 01:55:17.920
to chance. Like he he hires people to

01:55:15.920 --> 01:55:19.039
try to knock George out in training.

01:55:17.920 --> 01:55:20.800
That was one of the things he did. It

01:55:19.039 --> 01:55:22.960
would give them more money if they could

01:55:20.800 --> 01:55:24.880
knock him out. So they would just so he

01:55:22.960 --> 01:55:26.800
would be like fully prepared, right,

01:55:24.880 --> 01:55:28.239
>> when he was fighting? Like they leave no

01:55:26.800 --> 01:55:30.480
stone uncovered.

01:55:28.238 --> 01:55:31.439
>> Don't you have to like budget though the

01:55:30.479 --> 01:55:33.198
number of head shot

01:55:31.439 --> 01:55:34.638
>> 100%. But he was pretty confident that

01:55:33.198 --> 01:55:36.399
George I mean it wasn't like he was

01:55:34.639 --> 01:55:38.319
doing this with a beginner. He was doing

01:55:36.399 --> 01:55:40.879
this with a world champion, one of the

01:55:38.319 --> 01:55:42.559
greatest of all time. He he you know he

01:55:40.880 --> 01:55:44.319
wanted George to be in danger,

01:55:42.560 --> 01:55:46.159
>> you know. So George had to fight like he

01:55:44.319 --> 01:55:46.559
was going to fight inside the octagon,

01:55:46.158 --> 01:55:49.279
>> right?

01:55:46.560 --> 01:55:51.280
>> In danger. Because John Jones said

01:55:49.279 --> 01:55:54.559
somewhere that he had like every time he

01:55:51.279 --> 01:55:56.960
gets hit hard in in camp, he's he said

01:55:54.560 --> 01:55:58.800
like I just that that's part of my brain

01:55:56.960 --> 01:56:01.279
budget that's that's been taken away.

01:55:58.800 --> 01:56:02.880
>> Well, that's why John's so smart. He he

01:56:01.279 --> 01:56:04.960
recognizes that there's a lot of people

01:56:02.880 --> 01:56:06.800
that don't think that way. John also

01:56:04.960 --> 01:56:07.279
famously won't take a fight on short

01:56:06.800 --> 01:56:07.840
notice.

01:56:07.279 --> 01:56:09.679
>> Is that right?

01:56:07.840 --> 01:56:11.840
>> He wants to be fully prepared for a

01:56:09.679 --> 01:56:14.239
fighter. Even a guy like when he fought

01:56:11.840 --> 01:56:15.760
Chel Sunen, um they offered him a Chale

01:56:14.238 --> 01:56:18.319
Sunen fight on short notice and he said

01:56:15.760 --> 01:56:20.000
no. Like there is not a time, no

01:56:18.319 --> 01:56:20.719
disrespect to Chale, he's a great

01:56:20.000 --> 01:56:22.960
fighter.

01:56:20.719 --> 01:56:25.118
>> No, there's not a time on this life in

01:56:22.960 --> 01:56:26.560
this earth where Chel Son is going to

01:56:25.118 --> 01:56:27.920
beat Jon Jones. It's just not going to

01:56:26.560 --> 01:56:29.840
happen. He could have taken that fight

01:56:27.920 --> 01:56:32.399
on one day's notice and still beat Chale

01:56:29.840 --> 01:56:33.760
Sun. He's that much better than him. But

01:56:32.399 --> 01:56:36.559
he still wouldn't take it. He's like,

01:56:33.760 --> 01:56:37.679
"No, I want to be fully 100% prepared."

01:56:36.560 --> 01:56:39.760
>> That's smart, though.

01:56:37.679 --> 01:56:41.359
>> Yeah. Also, he hated Chale. And so he

01:56:39.760 --> 01:56:42.880
wanted to make sure that there was not a

01:56:41.359 --> 01:56:44.238
chance that Chale could do anything to

01:56:42.880 --> 01:56:45.599
him that he would have been able to

01:56:44.238 --> 01:56:46.079
wouldn't have been able to do if he was

01:56:45.599 --> 01:56:47.760
trained.

01:56:46.079 --> 01:56:48.960
>> Do these guys hate each other

01:56:47.760 --> 01:56:51.199
>> sometimes.

01:56:48.960 --> 01:56:52.399
>> Is it most of them do they respect or is

01:56:51.198 --> 01:56:54.479
it depends on the fight?

01:56:52.399 --> 01:56:57.679
>> It really depend. Like when Ilia Tapora

01:56:54.479 --> 01:56:59.519
fought um Charles Aivera, he actually

01:56:57.679 --> 01:57:01.359
apologized to him before the fight. He

01:56:59.520 --> 01:57:04.760
said, "I'm sorry. It has to be you. I

01:57:01.359 --> 01:57:04.759
really like you."

01:57:05.760 --> 01:57:08.480
>> Kind of crazy.

01:57:06.639 --> 01:57:09.760
>> He's got to be careful though. hated

01:57:08.479 --> 01:57:10.718
people, too. He's hated people he

01:57:09.760 --> 01:57:12.079
fought, too. I mean, there's some people

01:57:10.719 --> 01:57:13.920
that just rub you the wrong way. There's

01:57:12.079 --> 01:57:15.519
some people there's strategies to get

01:57:13.920 --> 01:57:17.279
inside your head and [ __ ] with you and

01:57:15.520 --> 01:57:19.119
and for you to fight with emotion.

01:57:17.279 --> 01:57:19.840
>> Well, Habib with um

01:57:19.118 --> 01:57:21.519
>> Conor McGregor.

01:57:19.840 --> 01:57:22.880
>> With McGregor, he he really hated

01:57:21.520 --> 01:57:24.480
McGregor. He wasn't going to almost

01:57:22.880 --> 01:57:24.800
didn't let go when the tap happened,

01:57:24.479 --> 01:57:25.678
right?

01:57:24.800 --> 01:57:27.440
>> Yeah. Yeah.

01:57:25.679 --> 01:57:28.639
>> That was that was something else. Is

01:57:27.439 --> 01:57:29.759
Conor ever going to come back, do you

01:57:28.639 --> 01:57:32.079
think?

01:57:29.760 --> 01:57:33.920
>> Only Conor knows. I mean, if he's going

01:57:32.079 --> 01:57:38.880
to, he has to do it soon. I mean, I

01:57:33.920 --> 01:57:39.039
think he's 30. How old is he now? 37.

01:57:38.880 --> 01:57:40.239
He

01:57:39.039 --> 01:57:41.840
>> he's jacked now, eh?

01:57:40.238 --> 01:57:42.959
>> Yeah. Well, not anymore.

01:57:41.840 --> 01:57:44.960
>> Oh, he came back down.

01:57:42.960 --> 01:57:45.520
>> He was uh on the Mexican supplements for

01:57:44.960 --> 01:57:45.920
a while.

01:57:45.520 --> 01:57:48.800
>> Okay.

01:57:45.920 --> 01:57:50.239
>> Because he was trying to uh recover from

01:57:48.800 --> 01:57:50.480
his uh leg break,

01:57:50.238 --> 01:57:52.079
>> right?

01:57:50.479 --> 01:57:52.959
>> So, when he fought Dustin Porier,

01:57:52.079 --> 01:57:54.800
>> I remember that

01:57:52.960 --> 01:57:56.079
>> he got on some stuff to try to recover

01:57:54.800 --> 01:57:58.719
for that. I don't know what he got on,

01:57:56.079 --> 01:58:00.158
but clearly it helped. He got huge. He

01:57:58.719 --> 01:58:01.679
got super jacked. The problem with

01:58:00.158 --> 01:58:03.519
getting super jacked like that is then

01:58:01.679 --> 01:58:05.920
you get addicted to what got you super

01:58:03.520 --> 01:58:07.920
jacked cuz you if you're on steroids you

01:58:05.920 --> 01:58:09.199
feel like Superman, you know, you you

01:58:07.920 --> 01:58:11.920
feel like you could just run through

01:58:09.198 --> 01:58:13.598
walls and then you get off of it and now

01:58:11.920 --> 01:58:15.279
your endocrine system has to kind of

01:58:13.599 --> 01:58:18.239
catch up to the fact that you've been

01:58:15.279 --> 01:58:20.479
giving it exogenous tech testosterone

01:58:18.238 --> 01:58:22.319
for all these months and so that it

01:58:20.479 --> 01:58:24.000
takes a long time for you to get back to

01:58:22.319 --> 01:58:26.079
a normal healthy level so you feel like

01:58:24.000 --> 01:58:27.198
[ __ ] It's hard for these guys to get

01:58:26.079 --> 01:58:28.960
off of steroids,

01:58:27.198 --> 01:58:30.399
>> right? I can imagine you get addicted to

01:58:28.960 --> 01:58:32.319
being that I

01:58:30.399 --> 01:58:33.279
>> I've never done it. I don't plan on it.

01:58:32.319 --> 01:58:34.238
>> How old is he?

01:58:33.279 --> 01:58:35.840
>> 37.

01:58:34.238 --> 01:58:37.039
>> 37. Almost 38.

01:58:35.840 --> 01:58:38.159
>> That's getting up there. Who's the

01:58:37.039 --> 01:58:39.840
oldest fighter that's ever been in the

01:58:38.158 --> 01:58:41.118
octagon? Like who's a serious

01:58:39.840 --> 01:58:43.760
competitor?

01:58:41.118 --> 01:58:45.759
>> Probably Randy Couture. I think Randy

01:58:43.760 --> 01:58:47.760
won the world title, the world

01:58:45.760 --> 01:58:48.480
heavyweight title in his 40s.

01:58:47.760 --> 01:58:51.520
>> Wow.

01:58:48.479 --> 01:58:54.959
>> Yeah. But Randy didn't even start his

01:58:51.520 --> 01:58:58.159
mix mixed martial arts career. I think I

01:58:54.960 --> 01:59:03.520
think I was there at his first fight in

01:58:58.158 --> 01:59:06.638
1997 and I think he was 34 or 35 before

01:59:03.520 --> 01:59:08.800
he ever had uh an MMA fight. He was just

01:59:06.639 --> 01:59:11.279
an elite wrestler who, you know, made

01:59:08.800 --> 01:59:13.679
his way into MMA because, you know,

01:59:11.279 --> 01:59:15.039
there's no real professional outlet for

01:59:13.679 --> 01:59:16.639
actual amateur wrestling.

01:59:15.039 --> 01:59:18.560
>> Did you ever interact with the Gracies?

01:59:16.639 --> 01:59:21.118
Because I remember way back in like I

01:59:18.560 --> 01:59:22.800
remember MMA or UFC 2, it was the second

01:59:21.118 --> 01:59:24.238
one. That was when it really kicked.

01:59:22.800 --> 01:59:26.000
First one was a little bit strange was

01:59:24.238 --> 01:59:28.158
that big fat guy whose tooth went flying

01:59:26.000 --> 01:59:29.039
out that. But number two was the one

01:59:28.158 --> 01:59:33.198
with

01:59:29.039 --> 01:59:35.039
>> Shamrock and uh Gracie and uh Dan

01:59:33.198 --> 01:59:35.519
Severn. Was he in number two? Dan Severn

01:59:35.039 --> 01:59:36.719
the wrestler.

01:59:35.520 --> 01:59:38.320
>> I think he was later.

01:59:36.719 --> 01:59:38.800
>> It might have been three or four.

01:59:38.319 --> 01:59:39.920
>> Yeah.

01:59:38.800 --> 01:59:41.119
>> But that was kind of the first

01:59:39.920 --> 01:59:42.079
generation

01:59:41.118 --> 01:59:43.839
>> of big names.

01:59:42.079 --> 01:59:46.319
>> Oh, Hoy Gracie changed the world.

01:59:43.840 --> 01:59:47.440
>> Yeah. With his he was a slow style

01:59:46.319 --> 01:59:49.118
though, man. Like you had to have

01:59:47.439 --> 01:59:51.039
patience to watch him because he'd sit

01:59:49.118 --> 01:59:52.559
he just lie on his back and wait, wait,

01:59:51.039 --> 01:59:54.079
wait, and enjoy. Well, with Dan Severn,

01:59:52.560 --> 01:59:55.520
he did because he he had to catch him in

01:59:54.079 --> 01:59:56.880
a triangle, right? And he eventually

01:59:55.520 --> 01:59:58.719
tapped him and no one even understood

01:59:56.880 --> 02:00:00.400
what was going on. Like, why is he he's

01:59:58.719 --> 02:00:02.399
got his legs wrapped around him. What

02:00:00.399 --> 02:00:04.000
the hell is going on? And then all of a

02:00:02.399 --> 02:00:05.839
sudden, Dan Severn's tapping out. You're

02:00:04.000 --> 02:00:08.238
like, this is crazy. So, a man who

02:00:05.840 --> 02:00:09.679
weighed literally 100 pounds more than

02:00:08.238 --> 02:00:11.919
him or close to it,

02:00:09.679 --> 02:00:13.599
>> right? On top of him and hoist beat him.

02:00:11.920 --> 02:00:15.279
>> Well, Dan Dan Severn didn't appear to

02:00:13.599 --> 02:00:16.480
have any finishing moves. Like, he was

02:00:15.279 --> 02:00:17.759
think I got you on your back. I've

02:00:16.479 --> 02:00:19.118
pinned you. I've won the wrestling

02:00:17.760 --> 02:00:20.800
match. It would kind of give you little

02:00:19.118 --> 02:00:22.719
nuggies, knuckle sandwiches,

02:00:20.800 --> 02:00:24.960
>> but but then of course uh eventually

02:00:22.719 --> 02:00:26.319
that anaconda comes in and either chokes

02:00:24.960 --> 02:00:28.239
you out or takes your arm.

02:00:26.319 --> 02:00:30.719
>> Well, no one understood jiu-jitsu until

02:00:28.238 --> 02:00:32.319
Hoist came around, you know, other dad,

02:00:30.719 --> 02:00:33.039
wasn't it? His dad that introduced it to

02:00:32.319 --> 02:00:36.238
the family.

02:00:33.039 --> 02:00:38.719
>> His dad and his uh uncle. So, it was it

02:00:36.238 --> 02:00:40.799
was Carlos Gracie and Ilio Gracie who

02:00:38.719 --> 02:00:42.800
were the real founders of Brazilian

02:00:40.800 --> 02:00:45.119
jiu-jitsu and then Carlson Gracie.

02:00:42.800 --> 02:00:47.199
>> Okay. And those guys were the pioneers.

02:00:45.118 --> 02:00:48.960
And they were having no rules fights in

02:00:47.198 --> 02:00:49.519
the 1930s and 40s.

02:00:48.960 --> 02:00:50.000
>> Wow.

02:00:49.520 --> 02:00:52.159
>> Yeah.

02:00:50.000 --> 02:00:55.279
>> And did they bring it over from Japan?

02:00:52.158 --> 02:00:58.638
>> Um, Miada brought it over from Japan and

02:00:55.279 --> 02:01:01.599
they taught the Gracies. And then um,

02:00:58.639 --> 02:01:04.400
you know, Ilio Gracie famously had a

02:01:01.599 --> 02:01:08.159
match with Kimura, who was a Japanese

02:01:04.399 --> 02:01:10.399
judoka who broke Ilio's arm with a

02:01:08.158 --> 02:01:11.839
kamura. And that's how that that

02:01:10.399 --> 02:01:12.960
technique that's why it's called a

02:01:11.840 --> 02:01:14.800
kimura. Really?

02:01:12.960 --> 02:01:16.158
>> Uh yeah, in catch wrestling they call it

02:01:14.800 --> 02:01:16.560
a double wrist lock.

02:01:16.158 --> 02:01:19.359
>> Okay.

02:01:16.560 --> 02:01:22.480
>> But we call it a kamura because Kamura

02:01:19.359 --> 02:01:25.198
broke Ilio Graciey's arm with this. Ilio

02:01:22.479 --> 02:01:27.039
just refused to tap and it's like and

02:01:25.198 --> 02:01:28.000
and eventually it snapped his arm.

02:01:27.039 --> 02:01:29.599
>> Wow. That's incredible.

02:01:28.000 --> 02:01:32.479
>> You know, they're having these long no

02:01:29.599 --> 02:01:35.840
rules fights in Brazil long before

02:01:32.479 --> 02:01:39.359
anybody had any idea what MMA was in

02:01:35.840 --> 02:01:41.360
America. And then Hoist's brother Hixon

02:01:39.359 --> 02:01:43.519
who was the best out of all of them.

02:01:41.359 --> 02:01:46.319
Hixon was fighting people when he was 18

02:01:43.520 --> 02:01:47.440
in like these big arenas really in

02:01:46.319 --> 02:01:50.479
Brazil. Yeah.

02:01:47.439 --> 02:01:52.879
>> Unbelievable. And then they then I guess

02:01:50.479 --> 02:01:55.198
Dana White brought it in with UFC and

02:01:52.880 --> 02:01:58.239
>> No, it wasn't Dana. It was uh there

02:01:55.198 --> 02:02:01.039
there was another organization before uh

02:01:58.238 --> 02:02:03.519
Zufa owned the UFC and this other

02:02:01.039 --> 02:02:06.158
organization they started it with Hen

02:02:03.520 --> 02:02:08.960
Gracie. So Hen Gracie was the guy who

02:02:06.158 --> 02:02:10.479
founded the UFC. Okay. And originally

02:02:08.960 --> 02:02:12.000
they were talking about putting like a

02:02:10.479 --> 02:02:14.000
moat around the cage and having

02:02:12.000 --> 02:02:16.639
crocodiles in it and [ __ ] They wanted

02:02:14.000 --> 02:02:19.279
it to be like completely insane because

02:02:16.639 --> 02:02:21.118
what it was for Hian, Hian's a brilliant

02:02:19.279 --> 02:02:24.079
man. And what what for him what he

02:02:21.118 --> 02:02:25.598
wanted was to promote jiu-jitsu and he's

02:02:24.079 --> 02:02:27.519
like this is going to be the best way to

02:02:25.599 --> 02:02:30.000
open up schools all over the country and

02:02:27.520 --> 02:02:30.560
to show this art that my father had

02:02:30.000 --> 02:02:33.279
created.

02:02:30.560 --> 02:02:35.840
>> Right? So they had really taken some of

02:02:33.279 --> 02:02:38.880
the ground techniques of judo and really

02:02:35.840 --> 02:02:40.400
refined them to a razor sharp edge. And

02:02:38.880 --> 02:02:42.960
and also one of the things that helped a

02:02:40.399 --> 02:02:46.399
lot was that Ilio was a small man. He

02:02:42.960 --> 02:02:48.719
was only like 145 lbs. And so he had to

02:02:46.399 --> 02:02:51.359
use only technique and leverage. He

02:02:48.719 --> 02:02:54.480
couldn't rely on brute strength. And so

02:02:51.359 --> 02:02:57.279
it was one of the best sort of

02:02:54.479 --> 02:02:59.359
advertisements is to have hoist who was

02:02:57.279 --> 02:03:01.439
also fairly small. Oh, he's only 175

02:02:59.359 --> 02:03:04.079
lbs. Beat all these big giant

02:03:01.439 --> 02:03:05.198
musclebound guys with pure technique cuz

02:03:04.079 --> 02:03:06.238
they didn't understand what he was

02:03:05.198 --> 02:03:07.678
doing. And he was like, "This is going

02:03:06.238 --> 02:03:10.158
to be brilliant. This is going to" And

02:03:07.679 --> 02:03:12.639
it worked. I mean, the the the name

02:03:10.158 --> 02:03:13.839
Gracie and Jiu-Jitsu are synonymous.

02:03:12.639 --> 02:03:16.000
>> It's everywhere now. Like, we even have

02:03:13.840 --> 02:03:17.679
them in Canada where these these schools

02:03:16.000 --> 02:03:19.920
will have the Gracie name and obviously

02:03:17.679 --> 02:03:21.760
they have no attachment to Gracie uh

02:03:19.920 --> 02:03:23.118
your the Brazilian Gracies, but

02:03:21.760 --> 02:03:24.960
everybody wants to learn the Gracie

02:03:23.118 --> 02:03:28.000
style. Well, they probably do have a

02:03:24.960 --> 02:03:29.840
like Gracie Baja, which is a huge uh

02:03:28.000 --> 02:03:31.359
affiliate of gyms. They're all over the

02:03:29.840 --> 02:03:32.000
country, the world. They're everywhere.

02:03:31.359 --> 02:03:34.319
>> Are they good?

02:03:32.000 --> 02:03:36.079
>> Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, there's like

02:03:34.319 --> 02:03:37.840
it's very difficult to have a bad

02:03:36.079 --> 02:03:38.960
jiu-jitsu gym today.

02:03:37.840 --> 02:03:39.440
>> Why is that? Because they're so

02:03:38.960 --> 02:03:41.118
competitive.

02:03:39.439 --> 02:03:43.359
>> It's too competitive. There's too many

02:03:41.118 --> 02:03:45.598
good people. There's too many good gyms.

02:03:43.359 --> 02:03:47.920
Like in Austin alone, Austin alone has

02:03:45.599 --> 02:03:48.960
like 10 amazing jiu-jitsu schools.

02:03:47.920 --> 02:03:50.719
>> Is that right? Oh, yeah.

02:03:48.960 --> 02:03:51.840
>> Do you go Do you go enroll quite often?

02:03:50.719 --> 02:03:53.439
There's a place right up the street,

02:03:51.840 --> 02:03:54.880
10th Planet Jiu-Jitsu, which is the

02:03:53.439 --> 02:03:56.158
school that I started with. Okay.

02:03:54.880 --> 02:03:57.599
>> In California. Well, I started with the

02:03:56.158 --> 02:03:59.039
Mach. Well, I actually started with

02:03:57.599 --> 02:04:00.719
Hicks and Gra I started

02:03:59.039 --> 02:04:03.359
>> I started with Hicks and Gracie and then

02:04:00.719 --> 02:04:04.960
I went to Carlson Gracie and then I and

02:04:03.359 --> 02:04:06.479
that was just cuz I didn't know there

02:04:04.960 --> 02:04:08.000
was any difference in the Gracies and

02:04:06.479 --> 02:04:09.039
then Carlson Gracie was closer to my

02:04:08.000 --> 02:04:10.479
house. I like, oh, I'll go to this

02:04:09.039 --> 02:04:11.519
Gracie place. It's closer. This is when

02:04:10.479 --> 02:04:14.319
I was a white belt. I didn't know

02:04:11.520 --> 02:04:16.080
anything. And then when they closed,

02:04:14.319 --> 02:04:18.479
when that gym closed, then I went to

02:04:16.079 --> 02:04:21.198
Jeanjac Machadoo. And so I started

02:04:18.479 --> 02:04:23.678
training there in 1998. And that was um

02:04:21.198 --> 02:04:26.479
that was in uh the valley in California.

02:04:23.679 --> 02:04:28.960
Uh but then um one of John Jock's black

02:04:26.479 --> 02:04:30.959
belts, my best friend Eddie Bravo, he

02:04:28.960 --> 02:04:32.480
started 10th planet jiu-jitsu and then I

02:04:30.960 --> 02:04:34.960
I trained there as well.

02:04:32.479 --> 02:04:37.039
>> Okay. And in Canada with we see a lot of

02:04:34.960 --> 02:04:38.880
places where they do Muay Thai and

02:04:37.039 --> 02:04:40.479
jiu-jitsu. So you get your striking and

02:04:38.880 --> 02:04:42.239
your grappling all in one.

02:04:40.479 --> 02:04:42.399
>> Ted Planet here has a Muay Thai program.

02:04:42.238 --> 02:04:44.079
Oh,

02:04:42.399 --> 02:04:44.879
>> is that right? So that's now a lot of

02:04:44.079 --> 02:04:46.319
those gyms have that.

02:04:44.880 --> 02:04:47.840
>> And you went to your first as a

02:04:46.319 --> 02:04:48.639
commentator. You did it like for free,

02:04:47.840 --> 02:04:51.840
didn't you?

02:04:48.639 --> 02:04:54.719
>> No. No, I I got paid in the early days

02:04:51.840 --> 02:04:57.279
in the 90s in the in 1997, but it wasn't

02:04:54.719 --> 02:05:01.198
much. I was losing money. But when the

02:04:57.279 --> 02:05:04.639
UFC was purchased by Zufa in 2001, that

02:05:01.198 --> 02:05:07.039
was when I was on Fear Factor and I met

02:05:04.639 --> 02:05:09.440
Dana White and I became friends with him

02:05:07.039 --> 02:05:11.679
and he asked me as a favor to do

02:05:09.439 --> 02:05:15.598
commentary on this one show that they

02:05:11.679 --> 02:05:18.399
had, UFC 37 and a half. It was on Fox

02:05:15.599 --> 02:05:20.319
Sports, whatever it was, the there was a

02:05:18.399 --> 02:05:22.960
cable channel. So, it was best damn

02:05:20.319 --> 02:05:24.479
sports show, period. Had this UFC show

02:05:22.960 --> 02:05:26.000
and he said, "Would you do me a favor

02:05:24.479 --> 02:05:26.559
and just do commentary on this one

02:05:26.000 --> 02:05:28.079
event, right?"

02:05:26.560 --> 02:05:29.280
>> And I said, "Okay, I'll do it for this

02:05:28.079 --> 02:05:30.079
one." Then he's like, "I want you to do

02:05:29.279 --> 02:05:33.439
it again."

02:05:30.079 --> 02:05:34.800
>> And then I was like, "Okay." So, I I I

02:05:33.439 --> 02:05:36.399
was like, I just wanted to do it for

02:05:34.800 --> 02:05:38.320
fun. Like, for me, it's like I like

02:05:36.399 --> 02:05:40.559
going to the fights and I like going

02:05:38.319 --> 02:05:43.198
with my friends and having a good time.

02:05:40.560 --> 02:05:45.199
And I did like the first 15 of them for

02:05:43.198 --> 02:05:47.039
free. I just they I knew they were

02:05:45.198 --> 02:05:47.279
hemorrhaging money and I didn't need any

02:05:47.039 --> 02:05:48.800
money.

02:05:47.279 --> 02:05:50.399
>> But you loved it. You love being there.

02:05:48.800 --> 02:05:52.960
It was like a kid in a candy store.

02:05:50.399 --> 02:05:55.598
>> Well, also was very happy to try to

02:05:52.960 --> 02:05:57.439
promote this thing because for me it was

02:05:55.599 --> 02:05:59.279
the ultimate expression of martial arts.

02:05:57.439 --> 02:06:00.079
Like we need to find out what's the best

02:05:59.279 --> 02:06:02.399
style, right?

02:06:00.079 --> 02:06:05.760
>> And I had kind of I had been so

02:06:02.399 --> 02:06:07.759
engrossed in that world in Japan with

02:06:05.760 --> 02:06:08.880
Pride and all these other organizations

02:06:07.760 --> 02:06:10.320
that they had over there. And

02:06:08.880 --> 02:06:12.000
>> it's like what happens if an alligator

02:06:10.319 --> 02:06:14.000
fights with a tiger? What happens when a

02:06:12.000 --> 02:06:15.279
lion fights with a bear? We got to match

02:06:14.000 --> 02:06:17.359
them up and find out.

02:06:15.279 --> 02:06:20.158
>> Well, it's humans versus humans. So,

02:06:17.359 --> 02:06:21.279
it's just style

02:06:20.158 --> 02:06:23.279
because you didn't want to waste your

02:06:21.279 --> 02:06:24.960
time doing something that didn't work.

02:06:23.279 --> 02:06:27.118
And there was a lot of people that waste

02:06:24.960 --> 02:06:28.960
their time doing stuff that didn't work.

02:06:27.118 --> 02:06:30.799
>> And we didn't really know what that was

02:06:28.960 --> 02:06:34.000
until the UFC came along. And then we're

02:06:30.800 --> 02:06:36.800
like, oh. And now the evolution of

02:06:34.000 --> 02:06:41.439
martial arts from 1993 when the UFC

02:06:36.800 --> 02:06:43.039
started to 2026. In those years,

02:06:41.439 --> 02:06:44.479
martial arts have evolved more than they

02:06:43.039 --> 02:06:46.560
have in the last 30,000 years.

02:06:44.479 --> 02:06:48.718
>> Right. Well, it's like the the gap

02:06:46.560 --> 02:06:53.440
between theory and practice. Yes.

02:06:48.719 --> 02:06:55.359
>> And like uh Bruce Lee when he when he he

02:06:53.439 --> 02:06:57.359
started Wing Chun, but he said that a

02:06:55.359 --> 02:07:00.000
lot of it was just or ornamental. And he

02:06:57.359 --> 02:07:01.279
called it dryland swimming.

02:07:00.000 --> 02:07:03.520
>> It's like, you know, you wouldn't

02:07:01.279 --> 02:07:06.960
actually do that in a fight. And then he

02:07:03.520 --> 02:07:09.040
got into a lot of um contention with the

02:07:06.960 --> 02:07:10.880
the scholars of the art form. It's a

02:07:09.039 --> 02:07:12.639
very beautiful art form, Wing Chung, but

02:07:10.880 --> 02:07:14.078
I don't know if it I can't imagine it

02:07:12.639 --> 02:07:16.239
works that well in fight.

02:07:14.078 --> 02:07:16.880
>> It is Wing Chong is effective. There's a

02:07:16.238 --> 02:07:18.479
lot of techniques.

02:07:16.880 --> 02:07:21.039
>> If you got into a fist fight between

02:07:18.479 --> 02:07:21.919
like a Muay Thai guy and a Wing Chung

02:07:21.039 --> 02:07:23.439
guy, who would come out on

02:07:21.920 --> 02:07:25.039
>> the Muay Thai guy, but it doesn't mean

02:07:23.439 --> 02:07:28.000
that Wing Chong's not effective. And you

02:07:25.039 --> 02:07:29.840
could use Wing Chong in Muay Thai or in

02:07:28.000 --> 02:07:31.359
an MMA fight. But you have to know

02:07:29.840 --> 02:07:33.440
everything. That's the reality of it.

02:07:31.359 --> 02:07:36.319
It's like taekwondo. Like taekwondo is

02:07:33.439 --> 02:07:38.638
not effective by itself in an MMA fight.

02:07:36.319 --> 02:07:41.118
But if you know MMA and you know

02:07:38.639 --> 02:07:43.039
taekwondo, then you could do like what

02:07:41.118 --> 02:07:44.238
Edson Barbosa did to Terry Edam and

02:07:43.039 --> 02:07:47.359
knock him out with a wheel kick in

02:07:44.238 --> 02:07:49.118
spectacular fashion. Like

02:07:47.359 --> 02:07:51.039
has like a big blend, right? Like you

02:07:49.118 --> 02:07:51.519
get some some Muay Thai, some karate,

02:07:51.039 --> 02:07:52.319
some

02:07:51.520 --> 02:07:55.040
>> Yes.

02:07:52.319 --> 02:07:57.039
>> That's what MMA is. Mixed martial arts.

02:07:55.039 --> 02:07:59.679
I mean it's like you take all and that's

02:07:57.039 --> 02:08:01.760
Bruce Lee's philosophy. Absorb what's

02:07:59.679 --> 02:08:04.000
useful. I mean, he was the real first

02:08:01.760 --> 02:08:06.000
mixed martial artist and when it was

02:08:04.000 --> 02:08:07.760
very dangerous to do that because people

02:08:06.000 --> 02:08:09.279
hated him. I mean, they would attack

02:08:07.760 --> 02:08:11.199
him. He would have he would have to have

02:08:09.279 --> 02:08:12.719
fights with people because they they

02:08:11.198 --> 02:08:13.279
thought that he was disrespecting their

02:08:12.719 --> 02:08:13.599
art,

02:08:13.279 --> 02:08:16.238
>> right?

02:08:13.599 --> 02:08:18.400
>> You know, and he combined western boxing

02:08:16.238 --> 02:08:20.479
and wrestling. He learned judo from Gene

02:08:18.399 --> 02:08:23.198
Leel. He learned things from everybody.

02:08:20.479 --> 02:08:25.039
He learned karate, sav. He learned all

02:08:23.198 --> 02:08:26.960
these different martial arts and was

02:08:25.039 --> 02:08:30.238
absorbing what's useful and putting his

02:08:26.960 --> 02:08:32.000
own. So J Kundo his style was really the

02:08:30.238 --> 02:08:32.559
first mixed martial arts style.

02:08:32.000 --> 02:08:32.880
>> Is that right?

02:08:32.560 --> 02:08:34.320
>> Yeah.

02:08:32.880 --> 02:08:36.000
>> Do people use it anymore?

02:08:34.319 --> 02:08:39.439
>> Well, yeah. There's J Kundo schools.

02:08:36.000 --> 02:08:42.399
Sure. Yeah. Yeah. I mean I mean a lot of

02:08:39.439 --> 02:08:44.960
what Krab Magazi martial art is like

02:08:42.399 --> 02:08:47.039
kind of a a combination of things along

02:08:44.960 --> 02:08:47.279
the same lines of the way Bruce Lee did

02:08:47.039 --> 02:08:50.560
it.

02:08:47.279 --> 02:08:51.840
>> Is it is Krab Mra a good effective

02:08:50.560 --> 02:08:54.639
martial arts system?

02:08:51.840 --> 02:08:56.239
>> Every martial art system is effective if

02:08:54.639 --> 02:09:01.520
you have a great instructor. Okay.

02:08:56.238 --> 02:09:03.678
>> Right. But on their own, like the best

02:09:01.520 --> 02:09:05.360
styles are the really strong styles like

02:09:03.679 --> 02:09:07.279
jiu-jitsu, Muay Thai, wrestling. Those

02:09:05.359 --> 02:09:09.439
are the best sty western boxing. Those

02:09:07.279 --> 02:09:12.158
are the best styles on their own. Okay.

02:09:09.439 --> 02:09:14.559
But what Krab Magga is is a combination

02:09:12.158 --> 02:09:16.879
of all those styles. And so if you have

02:09:14.560 --> 02:09:18.960
a great instructor in Krab Magga, yeah,

02:09:16.880 --> 02:09:20.800
you'll you'll learn great Muay Thai,

02:09:18.960 --> 02:09:22.719
you'll learn great jiu-jitsu, you it's

02:09:20.800 --> 02:09:24.800
essentially mixed martial arts, but with

02:09:22.719 --> 02:09:27.198
a lot of emphasis on real world

02:09:24.800 --> 02:09:29.760
application, street fights, you know,

02:09:27.198 --> 02:09:31.118
dirty stuff like eye gouging, you know,

02:09:29.760 --> 02:09:32.239
poking people in the eye, kicking them

02:09:31.118 --> 02:09:33.920
in the nuts. Yikes.

02:09:32.238 --> 02:09:36.000
>> Stuff that works. But that's what you

02:09:33.920 --> 02:09:37.359
like. You see it in an MMA fight all the

02:09:36.000 --> 02:09:38.960
time. A guy gets poked in the eye. He's

02:09:37.359 --> 02:09:41.519
like, "Hey, hang on." And he has to

02:09:38.960 --> 02:09:43.118
stop. Like punched and it's against

02:09:41.520 --> 02:09:46.480
rules. So, this guy's getting punched

02:09:43.118 --> 02:09:48.158
and kicked. And look, Tom Aspenol, he

02:09:46.479 --> 02:09:49.919
was in the heavyweight title fight and

02:09:48.158 --> 02:09:51.598
he got eye poked in the first round.

02:09:49.920 --> 02:09:53.440
He's had to have two surgeries since

02:09:51.599 --> 02:09:54.719
then on his eyes and he hasn't been able

02:09:53.439 --> 02:09:56.399
to fight. They had to stop the fight in

02:09:54.719 --> 02:09:57.039
the first round from an eye poke.

02:09:56.399 --> 02:09:58.879
>> My god.

02:09:57.039 --> 02:10:00.560
>> It's very effective. But in crowd mag,

02:09:58.880 --> 02:10:03.039
they're like go for the eyes. Bang. Cuz

02:10:00.560 --> 02:10:05.679
in a real world fight for your life

02:10:03.039 --> 02:10:06.960
scenario technique. I mean, it's for the

02:10:05.679 --> 02:10:09.039
Israeli military I think.

02:10:06.960 --> 02:10:11.359
>> Exactly. So they have to prepare for,

02:10:09.039 --> 02:10:13.679
you know, unusual situations where where

02:10:11.359 --> 02:10:15.359
you're trying to survive in a in a, you

02:10:13.679 --> 02:10:17.118
know, a situation where your arm has

02:10:15.359 --> 02:10:18.399
been your your weapon has been removed

02:10:17.118 --> 02:10:19.198
and you're and you're just trying to

02:10:18.399 --> 02:10:20.719
fight for your life.

02:10:19.198 --> 02:10:22.399
>> Exactly. Well, just in your in a

02:10:20.719 --> 02:10:24.639
situation with hand handtoh hand combat,

02:10:22.399 --> 02:10:26.638
you need to learn how you need to know

02:10:24.639 --> 02:10:28.239
every you need if a guy takes you down,

02:10:26.639 --> 02:10:29.920
you can't be lost. Oh, we have to get

02:10:28.238 --> 02:10:31.039
back up so I can fight. No, you have to

02:10:29.920 --> 02:10:32.719
be able to fight on the ground. And

02:10:31.039 --> 02:10:35.439
that's the idea of it. like incorporate

02:10:32.719 --> 02:10:38.960
jiu-jitsu, incorporate leg kicks, Muay

02:10:35.439 --> 02:10:41.359
Thai, western boxing, even jundo

02:10:38.960 --> 02:10:43.198
techniques, even wing chong techniques.

02:10:41.359 --> 02:10:45.359
There's a lot of hand trapping and

02:10:43.198 --> 02:10:46.799
things in Wing Chong that can be very

02:10:45.359 --> 02:10:50.559
>> It looks really cool what they do with

02:10:46.800 --> 02:10:52.159
that wooden uh that wooden uh dummy.

02:10:50.560 --> 02:10:53.039
It looks

02:10:52.158 --> 02:10:54.719
>> Exactly.

02:10:53.039 --> 02:10:56.479
>> I've never really got into that, but if

02:10:54.719 --> 02:10:58.000
you do get into that, you'll learn

02:10:56.479 --> 02:10:58.799
blocking techniques and you'll learn

02:10:58.000 --> 02:10:59.679
>> that actually work.

02:10:58.800 --> 02:11:02.719
>> Yeah, sure.

02:10:59.679 --> 02:11:04.399
>> Okay. But you they'll work if you know

02:11:02.719 --> 02:11:05.760
the other stuff. They won't work if a

02:11:04.399 --> 02:11:07.598
guy just shoots a double on you and

02:11:05.760 --> 02:11:08.639
takes you down and starts pounding you.

02:11:07.599 --> 02:11:10.880
You don't know what to do when you're on

02:11:08.639 --> 02:11:13.679
the bottom, right? You have to know how

02:11:10.880 --> 02:11:15.679
to and this is what really MMA has

02:11:13.679 --> 02:11:17.920
taught the world. It's like you have to

02:11:15.679 --> 02:11:19.679
be able to defend yourself everywhere.

02:11:17.920 --> 02:11:22.078
Standing up on the ground, you have to

02:11:19.679 --> 02:11:23.520
be effective in all the realms,

02:11:22.078 --> 02:11:26.000
>> right? But still, we have a lot of

02:11:23.520 --> 02:11:28.079
people that are pure specialists that do

02:11:26.000 --> 02:11:30.960
really well in mixed martial arts

02:11:28.078 --> 02:11:33.279
because they're so good in one area,

02:11:30.960 --> 02:11:34.960
like Alex Pereira, who is the

02:11:33.279 --> 02:11:36.158
middleweight champion, light heavyweight

02:11:34.960 --> 02:11:36.960
champion, and now he's going up to

02:11:36.158 --> 02:11:38.799
heavyweight, and he's going to be

02:11:36.960 --> 02:11:40.158
fighting at the White House card. Alex

02:11:38.800 --> 02:11:42.320
Pereira is one of the greatest

02:11:40.158 --> 02:11:44.399
kickboxers of all time. He's a two

02:11:42.319 --> 02:11:47.439
division world champion in kickboxer,

02:11:44.399 --> 02:11:48.960
but his style is all kickboxing, but he

02:11:47.439 --> 02:11:50.719
just developed takedown defense.

02:11:48.960 --> 02:11:52.480
>> He can do it all. He can do it all,

02:11:50.719 --> 02:11:53.840
>> but he doesn't submit anybody. If you're

02:11:52.479 --> 02:11:55.519
fighting him, you're going to get you're

02:11:53.840 --> 02:11:57.119
going to get it's going to be a stand up

02:11:55.520 --> 02:11:58.639
fight. Unless you could take him down,

02:11:57.118 --> 02:12:00.158
he's not going to try to take you down.

02:11:58.639 --> 02:12:01.520
He's going to try to [ __ ] you up. He's

02:12:00.158 --> 02:12:02.078
going to try to knock you into another

02:12:01.520 --> 02:12:03.840
dimension.

02:12:02.078 --> 02:12:05.359
>> Thanks for the warning. I'll try to

02:12:03.840 --> 02:12:05.679
avoid the guy if I see him on the

02:12:05.359 --> 02:12:06.399
street.

02:12:05.679 --> 02:12:07.679
>> Terrifying.

02:12:06.399 --> 02:12:09.839
>> The funniest thing I ever saw was

02:12:07.679 --> 02:12:12.319
there's this video of of Jon Jones on

02:12:09.840 --> 02:12:14.639
the street somewhere and he he he bumped

02:12:12.319 --> 02:12:16.639
into he was talking and he he leaned on

02:12:14.639 --> 02:12:18.319
some guy's motorcycle. I think I he

02:12:16.639 --> 02:12:20.480
might have been in in Asia or something.

02:12:18.319 --> 02:12:21.599
The guy had no idea who he was and he

02:12:20.479 --> 02:12:22.238
started screaming at him.

02:12:21.599 --> 02:12:24.960
>> Oh no.

02:12:22.238 --> 02:12:26.718
>> And John said, "I'm very, very sorry."

02:12:24.960 --> 02:12:28.480
And he turned around, he ran away like

02:12:26.719 --> 02:12:30.078
he was terrified. And it was just

02:12:28.479 --> 02:12:31.919
obviously he wasn't in any danger. But

02:12:30.078 --> 02:12:33.679
it was so hilarious that this guy had no

02:12:31.920 --> 02:12:36.239
idea who he was picking a fight with.

02:12:33.679 --> 02:12:38.239
>> That's hilarious. The guy has no idea.

02:12:36.238 --> 02:12:40.078
His life flashed before his eyes.

02:12:38.238 --> 02:12:40.879
>> But he but he he took it well because he

02:12:40.078 --> 02:12:41.599
was like, you know, I don't have

02:12:40.880 --> 02:12:43.039
anything to prove.

02:12:41.599 --> 02:12:44.880
>> Yeah. John's not the type of guy that

02:12:43.039 --> 02:12:46.560
would do anything to I mean all also

02:12:44.880 --> 02:12:48.319
what a lawsuit, you know.

02:12:46.560 --> 02:12:50.320
>> Oh yeah. Your your hands are weapons.

02:12:48.319 --> 02:12:52.799
>> I mean, his whole body is a weapon,

02:12:50.319 --> 02:12:53.679
>> but most of those guys are really nice

02:12:52.800 --> 02:12:54.320
guys in real life.

02:12:53.679 --> 02:12:55.840
>> Is that right?

02:12:54.319 --> 02:12:57.118
>> Yeah. Because they get all their

02:12:55.840 --> 02:12:59.920
aggression out. They don't have anything

02:12:57.118 --> 02:13:01.359
to prove. They're not the type of per

02:12:59.920 --> 02:13:02.560
they know what they can do. They don't

02:13:01.359 --> 02:13:03.920
have to prove it to anybody. They

02:13:02.560 --> 02:13:05.440
>> Well, you should come to Winnipeg. They

02:13:03.920 --> 02:13:07.679
They have a fight coming up. I think

02:13:05.439 --> 02:13:08.158
it's in uh I think it's in April. It's

02:13:07.679 --> 02:13:10.480
in April.

02:13:08.158 --> 02:13:11.519
>> A UFC in in Winnipeg. Yeah. I've avoided

02:13:10.479 --> 02:13:12.559
UFC's in Canada.

02:13:11.520 --> 02:13:13.920
>> Well, come on up. I

02:13:12.560 --> 02:13:14.960
>> I've avoided it just because of the

02:13:13.920 --> 02:13:16.399
government. Just because of what was

02:13:14.960 --> 02:13:17.439
going on as a protest. So, I was like,

02:13:16.399 --> 02:13:18.559
"This is so fucked."

02:13:17.439 --> 02:13:20.238
>> Well, we'll come back up and

02:13:18.560 --> 02:13:20.800
>> Well, if you win, I'll go up there.

02:13:20.238 --> 02:13:21.839
>> How about that?

02:13:20.800 --> 02:13:23.279
>> We should get you up before

02:13:21.840 --> 02:13:25.440
>> you become prime minister. I promise

02:13:23.279 --> 02:13:26.078
I'll do all the UFC events that they

02:13:25.439 --> 02:13:28.319
have in Canada.

02:13:26.078 --> 02:13:30.238
>> We need you up in Canada to come uh come

02:13:28.319 --> 02:13:31.599
do one of your comedy shows and uh it

02:13:30.238 --> 02:13:32.799
would be great for tour.

02:13:31.599 --> 02:13:34.078
>> I love going up there. I used to love

02:13:32.800 --> 02:13:34.400
going to Massie Hall.

02:13:34.078 --> 02:13:36.960
>> Yeah.

02:13:34.399 --> 02:13:39.039
>> I I used to Toronto. Yeah. I I love

02:13:36.960 --> 02:13:41.279
performing there. I did um

02:13:39.039 --> 02:13:42.800
>> You used to do Montreal and

02:13:41.279 --> 02:13:44.960
>> and uh How old were you when you were in

02:13:42.800 --> 02:13:46.800
Montreal? Oh, I started I think the

02:13:44.960 --> 02:13:47.599
first time I was up there, I was like

02:13:46.800 --> 02:13:49.679
25.

02:13:47.599 --> 02:13:50.159
>> Such a beautiful city, eh? It's gorgeous

02:13:49.679 --> 02:13:52.000
there.

02:13:50.158 --> 02:13:53.359
>> Oh, I love that. Quebec is lovely. It's

02:13:52.000 --> 02:13:55.520
amazing. Beautiful province.

02:13:53.359 --> 02:13:56.639
>> Amazing food. Shout out to Joe Beef. One

02:13:55.520 --> 02:13:58.000
of my favorite restaurants in the world

02:13:56.639 --> 02:14:00.560
that's in Montreal.

02:13:58.000 --> 02:14:02.000
>> Yeah, they're uh Montreal is a great

02:14:00.560 --> 02:14:03.760
place. And you should come out to the

02:14:02.000 --> 02:14:04.719
Prairies, too. Go to the Calgary

02:14:03.760 --> 02:14:05.920
Stampede.

02:14:04.719 --> 02:14:06.158
>> I've heard that's awesome. Oh, it's

02:14:05.920 --> 02:14:07.920
amazing.

02:14:06.158 --> 02:14:10.399
>> I've been to Edmonton. I've been to

02:14:07.920 --> 02:14:12.960
Alberta. Yeah. performed in Edmonton a

02:14:10.399 --> 02:14:13.679
few times and um I've I've hunted in

02:14:12.960 --> 02:14:14.639
Alberta

02:14:13.679 --> 02:14:17.760
>> where

02:14:14.639 --> 02:14:22.639
>> um well my friends John and Jen Rivet

02:14:17.760 --> 02:14:25.440
they have a they have a uh um a a guide

02:14:22.639 --> 02:14:28.239
I mean they they guide people up in uh

02:14:25.439 --> 02:14:30.799
northern Alberta it's all like uh you

02:14:28.238 --> 02:14:32.158
know black bear hunting so it's like

02:14:30.800 --> 02:14:33.599
>> there's a lot of great hunting I'm not I

02:14:32.158 --> 02:14:35.118
don't hunt myself but there's a ton of

02:14:33.599 --> 02:14:35.840
great hunting a lot of hunters in

02:14:35.118 --> 02:14:37.839
Alberta

02:14:35.840 --> 02:14:38.480
>> Oh yeah well there's talk about Alberta

02:14:37.840 --> 02:14:39.360
separating

02:14:38.479 --> 02:14:40.399
>> that won't happen.

02:14:39.359 --> 02:14:42.719
>> What was that about?

02:14:40.399 --> 02:14:45.759
>> It won't happen. Um people, some people

02:14:42.719 --> 02:14:47.520
are frustrated. Uh but they, you know,

02:14:45.760 --> 02:14:49.119
there's some legitimate frustrations,

02:14:47.520 --> 02:14:51.920
but at the end of the day, Canada's

02:14:49.118 --> 02:14:54.719
going to be united. And Albertans, I'm

02:14:51.920 --> 02:14:56.239
born and raised Alberta, and Albertans

02:14:54.719 --> 02:14:57.039
are seriously patriotic.

02:14:56.238 --> 02:14:59.439
>> Very patriotic.

02:14:57.039 --> 02:15:00.880
>> Yeah. They're great people. Hardworking.

02:14:59.439 --> 02:15:03.039
>> Some of the nicest people you ever met.

02:15:00.880 --> 02:15:04.239
>> They are great people in Alberta.

02:15:03.039 --> 02:15:07.118
>> They are hearty people.

02:15:04.238 --> 02:15:08.638
>> It's cold up there. Know how to survive.

02:15:07.118 --> 02:15:10.559
>> Exactly. You got to be tough to survive

02:15:08.639 --> 02:15:12.719
the cold in Canada. Carve a country like

02:15:10.560 --> 02:15:14.159
we have out of that cold weather on that

02:15:12.719 --> 02:15:17.039
big open land.

02:15:14.158 --> 02:15:19.519
>> Um but uh people just keep on going and

02:15:17.039 --> 02:15:21.439
uh Alberta's got a real kind of rugged

02:15:19.520 --> 02:15:24.320
uh individualism

02:15:21.439 --> 02:15:26.158
and uh people uh people love their their

02:15:24.319 --> 02:15:28.559
agriculture. There's great ranches in

02:15:26.158 --> 02:15:29.759
Alberta, beautiful grasslands in

02:15:28.560 --> 02:15:31.280
Saskatchewan.

02:15:29.760 --> 02:15:31.520
>> Doesn't Brock Lesnar have a place up

02:15:31.279 --> 02:15:32.719
there?

02:15:31.520 --> 02:15:35.040
>> I did I didn't know that.

02:15:32.719 --> 02:15:36.880
>> I think Brock Lesnar bought land in

02:15:35.039 --> 02:15:37.279
Alberta. Really? I think he owns a ranch

02:15:36.880 --> 02:15:38.719
up there.

02:15:37.279 --> 02:15:40.078
>> Actually, I had heard that from

02:15:38.719 --> 02:15:41.279
somebody. I've never seen him.

02:15:40.078 --> 02:15:43.118
>> He fell in love with it. Well, he's a

02:15:41.279 --> 02:15:44.880
big hunter as well. I think he fell in

02:15:43.118 --> 02:15:46.799
love with it up there cuz it's just it's

02:15:44.880 --> 02:15:47.920
so magnificent. It's so gorgeous.

02:15:46.800 --> 02:15:50.000
>> It's a great country.

02:15:47.920 --> 02:15:52.399
>> And the woods are so dense and beautiful

02:15:50.000 --> 02:15:54.319
and you got wolves and bears and moose

02:15:52.399 --> 02:15:54.719
and everything up there. It's amazing

02:15:54.319 --> 02:15:56.799
country.

02:15:54.719 --> 02:15:59.198
>> The the Canadian Rockies are spectacular

02:15:56.800 --> 02:16:01.039
as well. They're, you know, a worldwide

02:15:59.198 --> 02:16:03.118
attraction. You know, you go to Lake

02:16:01.039 --> 02:16:05.359
Louise, it looks like a tropical lake

02:16:03.118 --> 02:16:07.598
because it's all this runoff from the

02:16:05.359 --> 02:16:08.880
mountain melt and uh you'd think you

02:16:07.599 --> 02:16:10.719
were in the tropics because it's this

02:16:08.880 --> 02:16:12.800
this turquoise green. That's where I

02:16:10.719 --> 02:16:15.520
grew up. I I love I love Calgary. I love

02:16:12.800 --> 02:16:17.199
southern Alberta. That's really my home.

02:16:15.520 --> 02:16:18.719
And so uh you got to come to the

02:16:17.198 --> 02:16:21.198
Stampede. Greatest outdoor show on

02:16:18.719 --> 02:16:23.679
earth. A lot of Texans go up for the the

02:16:21.198 --> 02:16:25.678
cuz it's a rodeo. It's a huge rodeo.

02:16:23.679 --> 02:16:27.279
>> Yeah. People don't think cowboy Canada.

02:16:25.679 --> 02:16:29.359
They don't think of that. But yeah,

02:16:27.279 --> 02:16:29.920
>> Calgary uh they they've got some serious

02:16:29.359 --> 02:16:31.759
eyes there.

02:16:29.920 --> 02:16:32.960
>> No, they really do. Yeah. Look, I love

02:16:31.760 --> 02:16:34.478
Canada. I just uh

02:16:32.959 --> 02:16:36.879
>> if if you did your comedy show in

02:16:34.478 --> 02:16:39.039
Calgary, you'd get a massive turnout.

02:16:36.879 --> 02:16:39.279
>> It would be great. Think it over. See,

02:16:39.040 --> 02:16:40.479
when you

02:16:39.280 --> 02:16:42.800
>> Well, I was supposed to be up there

02:16:40.478 --> 02:16:46.239
before co I was supposed to do a show up

02:16:42.799 --> 02:16:47.840
there uh for 420 for April 20th. I was

02:16:46.239 --> 02:16:49.599
going to do it in Vancouver.

02:16:47.840 --> 02:16:53.280
>> That's another great city. Every year I

02:16:49.599 --> 02:16:55.599
would do these uh 420 shows like these,

02:16:53.280 --> 02:16:58.079
you know, 420 is the marijuana number.

02:16:55.599 --> 02:16:59.040
And Canada now you you guys have legal

02:16:58.079 --> 02:17:00.318
marijuana, too.

02:16:59.040 --> 02:17:01.599
>> I've been legal for 10 years,

02:17:00.318 --> 02:17:02.959
>> which they should have in America. It's

02:17:01.599 --> 02:17:05.120
so ridiculous. They just they just

02:17:02.959 --> 02:17:06.318
recently decided to make it schedule

02:17:05.120 --> 02:17:07.760
three.

02:17:06.318 --> 02:17:10.079
>> Is it state by state?

02:17:07.760 --> 02:17:11.920
>> Yes. It's legal in a lot of states, but

02:17:10.079 --> 02:17:14.478
it's still not legal federally. It's

02:17:11.920 --> 02:17:16.318
goofy. If alcohol is legal, marijuana is

02:17:14.478 --> 02:17:18.159
far safer. It should be legal. It's

02:17:16.318 --> 02:17:20.799
ridiculous. It's also a personal freedom

02:17:18.159 --> 02:17:22.959
thing. Leave people alone. It's like no

02:17:20.799 --> 02:17:24.398
one's robbing banks, smoking weed, and

02:17:22.959 --> 02:17:25.358
[ __ ] killing their neighbors. It's

02:17:24.398 --> 02:17:26.959
crazy. It's like

02:17:25.359 --> 02:17:29.599
>> that's a personal personal choice.

02:17:26.959 --> 02:17:32.159
>> It's not It's not heroin. It's not

02:17:29.599 --> 02:17:33.200
opiates. It's not like maybe you

02:17:32.159 --> 02:17:35.039
shouldn't do it if you have mental

02:17:33.200 --> 02:17:36.639
health problems, right? But there's a

02:17:35.040 --> 02:17:38.719
lot of people that just like take a pot

02:17:36.638 --> 02:17:40.318
gummy and go to bed and it makes them

02:17:38.718 --> 02:17:42.079
sleep better. Like, leave them alone.

02:17:40.318 --> 02:17:43.760
Like, leave people alone. Let let people

02:17:42.079 --> 02:17:45.679
have a glass of whiskey. Let people have

02:17:43.760 --> 02:17:48.559
a glass of wine with dinner. Leave them

02:17:45.679 --> 02:17:51.920
alone. Like stop coming up with laws

02:17:48.558 --> 02:17:54.079
where you can impose your values and

02:17:51.920 --> 02:17:56.079
your morals and your judgments on other

02:17:54.079 --> 02:17:57.120
people. Let them have make their own

02:17:56.079 --> 02:17:58.478
personal. Look, if you want to eat a

02:17:57.120 --> 02:18:00.000
[ __ ] cheeseburger, eat a

02:17:58.478 --> 02:18:02.318
cheeseburger. You know, if you want to

02:18:00.000 --> 02:18:04.079
go and have five Big Macs, you should be

02:18:02.318 --> 02:18:05.679
able to. I don't think you should do it.

02:18:04.079 --> 02:18:07.679
But I don't think there should be a law

02:18:05.679 --> 02:18:09.920
stopping you. And I think that's that

02:18:07.679 --> 02:18:12.000
should apply to a lot of things in life

02:18:09.920 --> 02:18:14.318
and we'd be a lot better off. Well, the

02:18:12.000 --> 02:18:16.079
the bottom line is if you cannot trust a

02:18:14.318 --> 02:18:18.799
man to govern himself, how can you trust

02:18:16.079 --> 02:18:21.200
him to govern for others? Like if if you

02:18:18.799 --> 02:18:23.199
think if if you think that human nature

02:18:21.200 --> 02:18:25.519
is so flawed that people cannot make

02:18:23.200 --> 02:18:27.519
decisions for themselves, then how could

02:18:25.519 --> 02:18:29.760
you possibly trust human nature to make

02:18:27.519 --> 02:18:32.960
decisions for other people to impose

02:18:29.760 --> 02:18:34.880
decisions on their lives? Uh and uh who

02:18:32.959 --> 02:18:36.718
watches the watchmen? You know, we're

02:18:34.879 --> 02:18:38.398
constantly told we need to be we need to

02:18:36.718 --> 02:18:40.239
be kind of guided by these people from

02:18:38.398 --> 02:18:41.920
ivory towers. But who are these angels

02:18:40.239 --> 02:18:43.119
anyway? They're just human beings like

02:18:41.920 --> 02:18:45.120
everyone else. So when you give them

02:18:43.120 --> 02:18:47.280
more power and more you give them the

02:18:45.120 --> 02:18:49.120
power to impose their will on on people

02:18:47.280 --> 02:18:49.599
then that ultimately gets abused.

02:18:49.120 --> 02:18:51.359
>> Yes.

02:18:49.599 --> 02:18:52.639
>> So even you're right. Even when somebody

02:18:51.359 --> 02:18:53.920
is doing something that I don't agree

02:18:52.638 --> 02:18:55.438
with and I would think it would be

02:18:53.920 --> 02:18:58.000
better for all of us if they didn't do

02:18:55.439 --> 02:19:00.000
it. The the the mal that is done by

02:18:58.000 --> 02:19:02.318
giving me the power to impose my

02:19:00.000 --> 02:19:04.398
decision-m on them is worse than the

02:19:02.318 --> 02:19:05.599
benefit of trying to direct them towards

02:19:04.398 --> 02:19:06.398
a better decision.

02:19:05.599 --> 02:19:07.760
>> Well said.

02:19:06.398 --> 02:19:09.840
>> That that's my philosophy.

02:19:07.760 --> 02:19:10.398
>> That's why I like you. Well, that's

02:19:09.840 --> 02:19:11.439
where I got you.

02:19:10.398 --> 02:19:13.039
>> Make a lot of sense.

02:19:11.439 --> 02:19:14.800
>> It's pretty simple. I think all the best

02:19:13.040 --> 02:19:16.719
things in life are simple. You know, we

02:19:14.799 --> 02:19:19.840
over complicate things. Government is is

02:19:16.718 --> 02:19:21.759
way too complicated. You know, uh I I

02:19:19.840 --> 02:19:23.200
think we need to get back to the

02:19:21.760 --> 02:19:26.079
simplicity. The greatest speech in the

02:19:23.200 --> 02:19:29.679
English language was Abraham Lincoln's

02:19:26.079 --> 02:19:33.840
Gettysburg address. 271 words. You know,

02:19:29.679 --> 02:19:37.120
Einstein compressed uh uh mass and

02:19:33.840 --> 02:19:39.920
energy into a five character equation.

02:19:37.120 --> 02:19:41.840
Um the you know Bruce Lee was an

02:19:39.920 --> 02:19:44.000
advocate of simplicity like simplicity

02:19:41.840 --> 02:19:45.679
is is a virtue and I think we have to

02:19:44.000 --> 02:19:49.520
get back to simplicity especially in

02:19:45.679 --> 02:19:51.200
government. Simpler, clearer, easier to

02:19:49.520 --> 02:19:53.840
to manage. That's the pro that's the

02:19:51.200 --> 02:19:56.560
kind of the the philosophical take I I I

02:19:53.840 --> 02:19:59.359
pursue. Well, I appreciate that and I I

02:19:56.559 --> 02:20:02.318
think like that philosophy and that

02:19:59.359 --> 02:20:04.880
perspective from a leader is what we

02:20:02.318 --> 02:20:05.920
need in this world, you know, and uh

02:20:04.879 --> 02:20:07.679
>> well, I think leaders have to have

02:20:05.920 --> 02:20:09.760
humility because the the problem is that

02:20:07.680 --> 02:20:12.318
if you are a egoomaniac and you're in

02:20:09.760 --> 02:20:14.000
power anywhere in the world, then you're

02:20:12.318 --> 02:20:15.760
going to want to just continually impose

02:20:14.000 --> 02:20:17.920
new rules and laws to make yourself

02:20:15.760 --> 02:20:20.398
bigger. Whereas, if you believe in

02:20:17.920 --> 02:20:22.000
freedom, then you have to take you have

02:20:20.398 --> 02:20:24.079
to be able to say to yourself, I don't

02:20:22.000 --> 02:20:26.959
know better for this other person. he

02:20:24.079 --> 02:20:29.280
knows better what's for him and you know

02:20:26.959 --> 02:20:32.159
it's it's hard but politicians have to

02:20:29.280 --> 02:20:34.239
think that they have to trust the people

02:20:32.159 --> 02:20:36.000
but you know nobody wants to have he

02:20:34.239 --> 02:20:37.520
left people alone on their gravestone

02:20:36.000 --> 02:20:40.639
they want to think oh he built this he

02:20:37.520 --> 02:20:42.479
he imposed that he made this grand uh uh

02:20:40.639 --> 02:20:44.799
initiative that he imposed on the people

02:20:42.478 --> 02:20:46.959
in order to have a legacy but my legacy

02:20:44.799 --> 02:20:49.119
is just to let other people build their

02:20:46.959 --> 02:20:51.199
legacies in their own lives

02:20:49.120 --> 02:20:53.200
>> I think the idea of forging a legacy

02:20:51.200 --> 02:20:54.960
based on controlling people and imposing

02:20:53.200 --> 02:20:55.520
your will is ludicrous.

02:20:54.959 --> 02:20:56.239
>> Exactly.

02:20:55.520 --> 02:20:56.960
>> Yeah.

02:20:56.239 --> 02:20:58.239
>> And uh

02:20:56.959 --> 02:20:59.199
>> but the problem is history is littered

02:20:58.239 --> 02:20:59.680
with people like that.

02:20:59.200 --> 02:21:01.359
>> Absolutely.

02:20:59.680 --> 02:21:03.680
>> Alexander the Great, Genghaskhan,

02:21:01.359 --> 02:21:05.920
there's so many people that impose their

02:21:03.680 --> 02:21:06.639
will and left a legacy. But is that

02:21:05.920 --> 02:21:07.439
good?

02:21:06.639 --> 02:21:09.920
>> I don't think it is.

02:21:07.439 --> 02:21:12.479
>> It's not. And it's also they're dead.

02:21:09.920 --> 02:21:14.799
This is It doesn't matter.

02:21:12.478 --> 02:21:17.358
>> Nobody Nobody walked by walked by one of

02:21:14.799 --> 02:21:18.719
those magnificent tombs in in Petra and

02:21:17.359 --> 02:21:19.280
said, "Boy, I'd really like to be inside

02:21:18.719 --> 02:21:21.599
there."

02:21:19.280 --> 02:21:23.280
>> Exactly. what what is happening while

02:21:21.600 --> 02:21:25.760
you're alive is what's really

02:21:23.280 --> 02:21:28.800
significant and the most the the most

02:21:25.760 --> 02:21:31.680
impactful thing like do well do good for

02:21:28.799 --> 02:21:33.039
the people and I think uh your message

02:21:31.680 --> 02:21:34.639
resonates with me

02:21:33.040 --> 02:21:35.600
>> and if I was a Canadian I would vote for

02:21:34.639 --> 02:21:37.119
you 100%.

02:21:35.600 --> 02:21:39.359
>> Thank you. Thank you for that. Well,

02:21:37.120 --> 02:21:41.120
it's uh it's um you know it's a

02:21:39.359 --> 02:21:42.960
privilege to do this work and I'm I

02:21:41.120 --> 02:21:46.000
consider it very humbling and I'm very

02:21:42.959 --> 02:21:47.679
proud to be Canadian and uh to take the

02:21:46.000 --> 02:21:49.600
message of Canada here to our American

02:21:47.680 --> 02:21:51.439
friends. Well, I'm glad you're here

02:21:49.600 --> 02:21:53.520
doing that and I think uh this is going

02:21:51.439 --> 02:21:55.439
to have a big impact.

02:21:53.520 --> 02:21:56.159
>> I really hope it moves the needle up in

02:21:55.439 --> 02:21:57.760
Canada.

02:21:56.159 --> 02:21:59.920
>> Absolutely. And down here, we got to get

02:21:57.760 --> 02:22:00.559
these tariffs gone. Get the tariffs

02:21:59.920 --> 02:22:02.960
gone.

02:22:00.559 --> 02:22:04.478
>> Well, let's work it out. Work it out.

02:22:02.959 --> 02:22:04.959
And uh if you win, I'm coming up there.

02:22:04.478 --> 02:22:06.079
I promise.

02:22:04.959 --> 02:22:07.279
>> Well, we're going to try to get you up

02:22:06.079 --> 02:22:09.280
there earlier. I'm going to keep working

02:22:07.280 --> 02:22:10.880
on you. And you look at that that maple

02:22:09.280 --> 02:22:12.319
leaf on your new kettle bell every day.

02:22:10.879 --> 02:22:14.398
Eventually, we're going to we're going

02:22:12.318 --> 02:22:15.439
to uh work subliminally into your

02:22:14.398 --> 02:22:16.559
subconscious and get you up.

02:22:15.439 --> 02:22:18.800
>> Well, look, like I said, you don't have

02:22:16.559 --> 02:22:21.039
to sell me on Canada. I love Canada and

02:22:18.799 --> 02:22:22.478
uh I I love that gift. So, thank you so

02:22:21.040 --> 02:22:24.240
much. I really appreciate Thank you for

02:22:22.478 --> 02:22:28.840
being here. It was awesome.

02:22:24.239 --> 02:22:28.840
>> Thank you. All right, buddy.