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>> The Joe Rogan Experience.

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>> TRAIN BY DAY. JOE ROGAN PODCAST BY

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NIGHT. All day.

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>> We're up.

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>> How are you, sir? Pleasure to meet you.

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>> It's great to be here. Thanks for having

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me. Great to be back in Texas.

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>> I'm glad we finally did this.

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>> Yes, me too.

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>> I wanted to do it the first go around.

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>> Yeah, I know. Uh well, when I got the

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invitation, we were in the middle of the

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election and we just don't leave the

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country during election campaigns.

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>> I get it. And uh the problem we've had

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is we can't get you to come to Canada.

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>> And so uh we've actually hatched a full

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strategy to get you into Canada cuz we

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think it's going to do big things for

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our tourism numbers. So do you mind if I

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present you with something right out of

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the gate?

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>> Sure.

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>> All right. This is uh

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>> this is from a gunsmith and machinist in

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Calgary, Alberta. His name is Jay, and

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he's designed uh

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>> Look at this kettle bell. Guess what the

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weight is?

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>> Uh 70 pounds.

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>> 70 pounds. That's the That's the weight

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you cabinet. It says on the front here,

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Jamie, it says here on the front, Jamie,

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pull it up. So, we've got that. We've

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got uh you see here some other stuff. Uh

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for a stand.

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>> Oh, that's really cool.

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>> Look at this stand here. So, we've got

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seeing is believing, which I think was

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the slogan of the first UFC that you

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were the commentator for. I think it was

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number 13.

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>> 12.

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>> Number 12. Right. And then we've got

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here your favorite quote from um

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what's his name? The Japanese uh martial

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artist.

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>> Yes. And it says,

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>> "If you know the way broadly, you will

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see it in everything."

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>> So that's here. And then Morris code.

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There's a thank you letter for you. And

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we've got

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>> you've got your flying saucer.

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>> And we've got your logo here, too. So,

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but most important of all,

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>> we've got a subliminal message, which is

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the Canadian maple leaf.

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>> Oh. Every time you do a kettle bell

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swing, you do a snatch, you do a clean,

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you're going to be seeing that maple

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leaf and you're going to be reminding

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yourself that you need to come back to

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Canada.

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>> All right. I'll present that to you

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there.

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>> Thank you very much.

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>> Go on there, too.

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>> Very cool.

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>> Is that in the way, Jamie?

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>> I can take it off.

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>> We'll take it off.

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>> Put it down.

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>> So, uh,

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>> I saw your I saw your, uh, interview

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with Pavle. And I'm a I'm a big

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kettlebell freak.

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>> Are you really?

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researching him after you had him on and

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>> I was thinking why did the Russians come

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they used it as a counterweight at the

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farmer markets. So they would say, you

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instead of trying to do it by eyeball,

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they would put what is now kabel on one

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expeditions, you had these big Russian

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then then the Russian army took it on,

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the Soviet army took it on. And then

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that's where Pavle picked it up and then

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brought it over the Atlantic and uh

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>> Wow, that's crazy. So it was just

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accidental that they made this very

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functional tool for fitness. Yeah, it

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was the it was just you'd go to a

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farmers market, you want to buy some

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barley or some potatoes, but you don't

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weight. So, they'd have a scale, a

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balancing scale, and they put the kettle

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bell on one side and the produce on the

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other, and then you knew you got the

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horses and their cattle and stuff, and

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these farmers are throwing these things

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around and the Russian military picked

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it up and then the Soviets of course

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though if I'm not mistaken Pavl

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America but uh the ancient Chinese did

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ancient Chinese the Shaolin monks have

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cast iron. They had theirs were sort of

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a concrete a concrete block and uh they

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they did it for strength training as

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>> Oh wow. Little history.

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>> Yeah. So I'm a big kettlebell freak. I I

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love it. And uh I really I started to

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study what Powell's teaching. I wanted I

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think he has an accreditation or

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something. If I ever get time I might

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take it.

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>> Yeah. Strong first. Yeah. That's his uh

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>> And you're doing you have a whole

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program. I think you you do clean to

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press and then

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squats, overhead squat and all that.

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>> It's a great functional tool just for

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>> You know, it's really one of the best

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on a handle. Um and uh the thing I like

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about it is the it's like a cat

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catapult.

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instant where it flips over your hand

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>> That had a real functional use.

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for a piece of exercise equipment that

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>> Absolutely. And uh I think it's far

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superior to uh to a dumbbell exercise

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because there's no uh a dumbbell you got

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doesn't lift consistently. It's it's

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explosive in that small range and you

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know when you're doing a snatch, by the

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the catapult effect has taken over and

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now it's actually negative weights

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lifting your hand up in the air if

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you're doing it right. But like if

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wrestling match or you're you're trying

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to push really hard against a heavy

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object, it's all about explosive power

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>> Have you always been a workout guy?

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>> Yeah, look, I I was um big into sports

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until my mid- teens. I was on the

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wrestling team. I wasn't great. I was

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good, but I wasn't great. Um then I got

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a a wicked uh tendinitis in my shoulder

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>> and it ended my athleticism for like

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four years and that's how I got into

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politics. I was so bored. I got get home

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from school I had nothing to do

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>> so I took I told my mother

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>> tendinitis got you into politics?

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>> Yeah that's what it was. I just couldn't

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get rid of it. Like I every time I

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thought I had it beat I'd go in and I'd

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train and it would be full of

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inflammation. No one could do anything

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about it. And so I was like bored out of

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my mind and I said to my mom like, you

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know, you go to these local meetings

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with the conservative association, like

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take me to that because I'm going crazy.

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>> that's nuts. Yeah. So that So what what

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what were you interested in when you

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first went there? Like we just

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didn't like the way things were running.

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Like what what was it about it that got

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you so curious?

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neighborhood in south south end of

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Calgary. You know, my folks were

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teachers. I was adopted. My mom was a

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16-year-old on she she was a obviously a

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single mom. She put me up for adoption

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to two school teachers. There was

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electricians and oil workers and police

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officers lived on our street. Normal,

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hardworking, good folks. And I always

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grew up with the impression they were

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getting screwed over and that um the

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government didn't listen to people like

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them. didn't listen to people who grew

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up on streets like ours. And living in

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Western Canada, there was a greater

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sense of that. We called it Western

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alienation at the time. And there was

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this guy, kind of a quirky guy, but a

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really brilliant guy named Preston

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Manning. And I saw this billboard of him

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and he had his fist up and it said

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enough. And I said, "Yeah, I like that

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guy." So I got involved in politics and

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I started reading about different

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things. I start I read a biography on

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Fidel Castro and then I read

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>> Justin's dad. No, no, no. Not Justin's

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dad, right? No, no, no, no. His dad was

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Pierre. His dad was Pierre. His dad was

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Pierre. I had issues with Pierre

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Trudeau, too, because

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>> it's a great conspiracy theory, though.

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>> Well, it is a hell of a I don't think

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it's a true one, though. his dad is

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>> his his dad um was very controversial

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where I grew up because he did a lot of

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damage to the oil sector and we're from

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oil country and so that was one of the

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things that I felt kind of resentful

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about the national government and one of

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the reasons I got involved is because

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the west deserved a fairer deal and uh

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but I read a lot of books like you know

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Milton Freriedman capitalism and freedom

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and and I came to to to develop a

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philosophy based on just maximizing

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personal financial, religious freedom,

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let people make their own decisions. And

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that that animated me to get involved in

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politics and fight for that, and I've

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been doing it ever since.

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>> Wow. That's a fascinating transition

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from wrestling and tendonitis, getting

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deeply involved in politics.

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>> Yeah. I mean, like, you know, you're a

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sports guy. If you had suffered an

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injury that took you out of taekwond do

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when you were young and you you simply

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couldn't compete at anything, you'd

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probably be looking for some other

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adventure.

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>> Yeah, that's how it was.

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>> Well, we're lucky that stem cells

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weren't around back then or you never

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would have gotten into politics.

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>> That's right. I would have been a

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wrestler. I don't know if I would have

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won any awards, but uh but yeah, that

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that was how I got started and and I got

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very active very quickly. I got my first

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internship making 600 bucks a month. uh

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when I was uh 16 or 17 years old and uh

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would you know take uh two trains and a

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bus and an hour and 45 minutes each way.

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But I was so thrilled. My dad bought me

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a used suit and a used pair of shoes.

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And I thought this I'm this is so

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incredible. I'm an important guy. I wear

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dress shoes. I wear I wear a tie. Didn't

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matter that the tie was bad bought from

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some dead guy whose family had sold it

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to a a used store. But uh that was my

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start and I loved it.

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Well, uh, I'm really excited to have you

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in here because I've seen you speak

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multiple times and you're a very

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reasonable, intelligent person. That

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makes a lot of sense. And that is that

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is a rare thing in politics. And I love

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Canada. Like I I just say I don't go up

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there anymore, but it's because I I I

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think the government went horribly wrong

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over the last, you know, x amount of

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years. But the people are amazing. It's

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like I was always I've always said that

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Canada has like it's like America with

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like 20% less [ __ ]

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Like every time I would go up there like

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people are so nice. They're they're like

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the nicest people. And I think that's

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part of what went wrong for Canada is

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that people are rule followers and you

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know they're trusting and kind people

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and you know this wolf in sheep's

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clothing snuck in and you know was

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pretending he was a sweet guy and

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passing all these crazy laws and just

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when we saw what happened with COVID

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with just with what happened with the

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truckers and people's accounts getting

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shut down for donating to the truckers

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Like the whole thing was so concerning

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because it's our Canada was like a part

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of America almost. I mean, you're a

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different country, but it's like you

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used to be able to go over there with

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just a driver's license, you know? It

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was like it was such a cool place to I

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started going to the Montreal Comedy

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Festival in like 1993. I loved it up

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there. It's like one of my favorite

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places.

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>> Just for laughs.

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>> Yeah.

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>> Good. How's your French?

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>> Not good.

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>> Okay, we'll work on that. We'll get you

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some French lessons.

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>> It's terrible. Well, I don't know any

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French words. My wife is learning

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French, though. It's interesting. She's

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got this app that she's learning French.

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Um, but it's just an amazing place. It's

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It's a great country. And, um, to see it

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go the way it's been going and sliding

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the way it's been happening over the

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last, you know, x amount of years,

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there's just so many things that concern

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me. You know, one of the things that

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really concerns me is this um, assisted

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suicide thing. that one in 20 deaths in

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Canada is now assisted suicide. That's

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insane.

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>> Well, listen, my my view is that people

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should have the choice, but uh the

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concern we have is the suggestion that

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it would be offered to kids or offered

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to people whose only condition is me

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mental illness,

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>> right?

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>> I don't agree with that. My concern as

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well, I mean, if someone's got a

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terminal, like a good friend of mine

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>> went to Oregon to end his life because

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he had ALS, but I mean, he was gone. I

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mean, he could barely talk at the end of

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his life. His name is Michael Lair. He

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was a regular guest on Kill Tony. Great

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guy,

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>> right?

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>> And

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>> it was horrible. I mean, watching him

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fade away and he wanted to go out on his

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own terms. So, he went to Oregon for

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assisted suicide. I mean, there's a

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place for it. Yeah,

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>> but I mean there was a kid recently in

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Canada and he did it for seasonal

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depression.

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>> You I'm sure you're aware of that case.

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>> Like who who allowed that to happen? Who

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didn't counsel this young guy? Who

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didn't give him a hug? Who didn't tell

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him about diet and exercise and changing

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your surroundings, your lifestyle and

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just do something, right,

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>> to give you some hope and happiness?

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Like seasonal depression? Really? You're

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going to end your life, this beautiful

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life on this planet for seasonal

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depression. That's

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>> that's why we have to do more to give

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people hope when they're suffering with

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mental illness. Yes. You know, give

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people the the sense that they can take

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back control of their lives. Uh I think

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we do have to promote fitness more

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because it gives people it turns them

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into a subject that controls their their

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surroundings rather than an object being

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controlled. It teaches people to that

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that hardship is temporary and that the

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aftermath is positive. And uh and we

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have to give people reinstill people

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with a sense of meaning when they're

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going through hardship rather than than

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to say that it's all over. And uh you

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know I think uh we have to our system

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needs to be geared towards giving people

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all the best options to live on rather

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than just suggesting maid as the as the

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easy as the as the automatic path for

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the system to impose on people. So, uh,

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one of the things our party is pushing

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for is to make clear that public

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servants who are getting phone calls

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from people who are in need of help for

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something. They shouldn't be offering

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that. They shouldn't be offering. People

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can seek it out if they want, but when

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you're calling up saying, "I'm poor or

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I'm struggling or I'm having a mental

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illness or I've got an injury." Uh, we

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shouldn't have a a government worker

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saying, "Well, consider maid." Well, the

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the unfortunate thing is that any

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organization that gets formed

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>> wants to grow and you get financial

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incentives

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>> and then you hire more people and then

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it gets bigger and then what do you have

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to do? Well, you have to keep doing what

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you're doing. What are you doing? You're

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killing people. So, you're going to kill

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more people because you're actually

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financially incentivized to put more

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people through this program and end

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their lives.

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>> That's that's very sad. So I think we

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have to get to get to a point where

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people have the freedom to make their

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own decisions but they also have hope

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that there is an option for them and

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that's what we're trying

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>> pathway you know and like the exercise

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thing is not just give them you know

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control of their life. It makes them

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happier. It's it's it show there's been

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studies that show it's much more

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effective than anti-depressants.

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>> Absolutely. Well, it's the first of

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there's the phys physiological side

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which affects the brain, but it's also

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the sensation of discomfort that you

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push through knowing that you have to

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focus on the thing you have to do. And

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uh that I think it helps us in anything

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we're encountering whether you're going

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through a divorce or a bankruptcy or an

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injury or an illness if you know that

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pushing through to the other side

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because you've got a meaning there that

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can give people hope for for for a

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better life. You know my favorite

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psychologist is u Victor Frankle Victor

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Frankl and he developed this um logos

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treatment which was basically giving

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people a sense of meaning. He survived

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the Holocaust in the concentration camp

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because he had a sense of meaning that

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he wanted to his book was stolen from

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him in the concentration camp about this

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this theory and he wanted to live on so

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he could survive and write that book.

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And then he found his in his teaching

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that it wasn't so much people's

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circumstances that determined their

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happiness. It was whether they had a

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meaning in life. And he tells this

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incredible story of a group therapy

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session where he had this very rich

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woman who was married to a very rich

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man. And he had next to him another lady

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who was living in terrible poverty.

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She'd lost a son and had a second

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severely disabled son. And he said to

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both them, "What will your life look

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look like when you're 80 years old and

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you're on your deathbed?" And the the

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wealthier lady said, "Well, I will look

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back and think that while I had some fun

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and enjoyed the simple the the the

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luxuries of being very wealthy and

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having an easy life that there wasn't a

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lot of meaning to it." And whereas the

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mother who was struggling with a

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disabled child and had lost another one

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said, "Well, I gave my first child a

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great life, a short one, but a great

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one. I struggled to give my disabled

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child a good dignified existence and I

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leave this world satisfied and happy

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that my life had purpose and meaning.

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And the lesson that I take from that is

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that it is not about whether you have a

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gazillion dollars or whether your life

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is easy. It's whether you have some

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meaning to invest your your your life

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into. And I think we have to infuse

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people's lives with with meaning so that

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they that they can they can live a good

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life. Well, that's a great message and I

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think that's one of the most important

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parts of being a leader is having a

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great message and having a great

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philosophy and having a great

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perspective. And I mean, that's what

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disturbed me the most about when Trudeau

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was running the country that I I didn't

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feel like I thought I felt like he was

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manipulating people with woke politics

536
00:18:01,440 --> 00:18:06,880
and ideology and that it was just this

537
00:18:04,880 --> 00:18:09,039
weird slippery slope that people were

538
00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:10,640
falling down where they're losing rights

539
00:18:09,038 --> 00:18:12,079
and you're you're losing your ability to

540
00:18:10,640 --> 00:18:14,400
express yourself.

541
00:18:12,079 --> 00:18:16,079
>> And it just it just really disturbed me

542
00:18:14,400 --> 00:18:18,798
because I always felt that Canada was

543
00:18:16,079 --> 00:18:21,759
like one of the freest places and one of

544
00:18:18,798 --> 00:18:24,240
the most open-minded places. And it just

545
00:18:21,759 --> 00:18:25,359
I I didn't understand how it could fall

546
00:18:24,240 --> 00:18:26,960
so quickly.

547
00:18:25,359 --> 00:18:29,199
>> We we still, you know, we are a free

548
00:18:26,960 --> 00:18:31,519
country and we we are a democracy. We

549
00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:33,440
have preserved that. Um you know, my

550
00:18:31,519 --> 00:18:35,279
leader my this funny moment when Joe

551
00:18:33,440 --> 00:18:37,440
Biden came to Parliament Hill and I

552
00:18:35,279 --> 00:18:40,160
said, um, Mr. President, I'm Pierre

553
00:18:37,440 --> 00:18:42,480
Paul. I'm the leader of his majesty's

554
00:18:40,160 --> 00:18:45,038
loyal opposition. And he said, loyal

555
00:18:42,480 --> 00:18:47,360
opposition? How can you be loyal and

556
00:18:45,038 --> 00:18:49,519
opposition at the same time? I like what

557
00:18:47,359 --> 00:18:51,119
the hell are you talking about? And

558
00:18:49,519 --> 00:18:53,119
because you know you guys have a a

559
00:18:51,119 --> 00:18:56,239
system based on the a republic whereas

560
00:18:53,119 --> 00:18:57,759
ours is the British system and in our

561
00:18:56,240 --> 00:19:01,279
system

562
00:18:57,759 --> 00:19:03,519
the the opposition is an act of loyalty.

563
00:19:01,279 --> 00:19:06,240
That's what our system it means that if

564
00:19:03,519 --> 00:19:08,000
you are opposing the government

565
00:19:06,240 --> 00:19:09,839
you're doing it out of loyalty to the

566
00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:11,599
good of the people and our house of

567
00:19:09,839 --> 00:19:13,119
commons. You have a half circle in your

568
00:19:11,599 --> 00:19:15,199
congress. We have two sides in our

569
00:19:13,119 --> 00:19:16,479
parliament. It's two and a half sword

570
00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:18,000
lengths apart because they used to

571
00:19:16,480 --> 00:19:20,000
literally kill each other in the old

572
00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:21,919
English days. But the idea is the

573
00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:23,919
opposition is to prosecute the hell out

574
00:19:21,919 --> 00:19:25,919
of the government. Make the mighty low.

575
00:19:23,919 --> 00:19:27,679
The most powerful people in the country

576
00:19:25,919 --> 00:19:29,679
are supposed to tremble every time they

577
00:19:27,679 --> 00:19:31,519
walk in that place because know every

578
00:19:29,679 --> 00:19:33,360
mistake they made, every abuse of power,

579
00:19:31,519 --> 00:19:37,038
every corruption they might have done

580
00:19:33,359 --> 00:19:39,199
can be exposed and in front of all eyes.

581
00:19:37,038 --> 00:19:41,119
So our system is really designed to

582
00:19:39,200 --> 00:19:42,798
constrain the power of government

583
00:19:41,119 --> 00:19:44,239
through what we call parliament. Like I

584
00:19:42,798 --> 00:19:45,918
don't work for government. I work for

585
00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:48,240
parliament and parliament works for the

586
00:19:45,919 --> 00:19:50,000
people. We call it the house of commons

587
00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:51,839
because the it's the house of the common

588
00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:53,359
people. It's green in there because they

589
00:19:51,839 --> 00:19:56,159
used to meet in the in the fields of

590
00:19:53,359 --> 00:19:57,839
England. And so I really view the world

591
00:19:56,160 --> 00:19:59,679
of our parliament to limit the power of

592
00:19:57,839 --> 00:20:02,798
government to maximize the power of the

593
00:19:59,679 --> 00:20:05,120
people, make people bigger, stronger,

594
00:20:02,798 --> 00:20:06,879
and more fulfilled by having the

595
00:20:05,119 --> 00:20:09,279
government narrowly focus on the on the

596
00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:11,520
things it's supposed to do, roads,

597
00:20:09,279 --> 00:20:13,599
military, basic social safety net,

598
00:20:11,519 --> 00:20:16,000
borders, police, etc. but then leave

599
00:20:13,599 --> 00:20:17,599
people alone to live their lives. If I

600
00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:19,279
were to start a political party from

601
00:20:17,599 --> 00:20:21,439
scratch, it would be the mind your own

602
00:20:19,279 --> 00:20:23,759
damn business party, you know, just get

603
00:20:21,440 --> 00:20:25,600
the government to do its job well, do

604
00:20:23,759 --> 00:20:27,519
you know, do four or five things really

605
00:20:25,599 --> 00:20:28,000
well and then let people live their

606
00:20:27,519 --> 00:20:29,759
lives.

607
00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:30,159
>> Well, that sounds very reasonable.

608
00:20:29,759 --> 00:20:32,558
>> Yeah.

609
00:20:30,159 --> 00:20:34,080
>> Yeah. I mean, anybody that doesn't go

610
00:20:32,558 --> 00:20:35,839
along with that, anybody that's opposed

611
00:20:34,079 --> 00:20:38,798
to that, that doesn't even make sense.

612
00:20:35,839 --> 00:20:40,000
No, look, uh, like I said, the way I

613
00:20:38,798 --> 00:20:44,798
grew up and everything I've seen ever

614
00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:48,000
since, when I talk to farmers or factory

615
00:20:44,798 --> 00:20:50,480
workers, electricians, I find they know

616
00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:52,880
just as much or more than the so-called

617
00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:54,480
experts I encounter on Parliament Hill.

618
00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:56,960
Like back during CO when all these

619
00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:58,558
governments were printing money, uh, and

620
00:20:56,960 --> 00:21:00,079
all the politicians and bankers said,

621
00:20:58,558 --> 00:21:01,918
"Oh, this is great. Uh, well, look at

622
00:21:00,079 --> 00:21:03,839
all this money we get to spend." I'd

623
00:21:01,919 --> 00:21:05,120
walk around communities and I'd have

624
00:21:03,839 --> 00:21:06,879
like mechanics say, "You know, we're

625
00:21:05,119 --> 00:21:08,639
going to have inflation."

626
00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:10,000
And I would say, "Yeah, it makes sense

627
00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:11,280
to me." And I'd go back to Parliament

628
00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:12,159
Hill and the experts would all say, "No,

629
00:21:11,279 --> 00:21:14,558
no, there's not going to be any

630
00:21:12,159 --> 00:21:16,720
inflation." And sure enough, all that

631
00:21:14,558 --> 00:21:18,480
money filtered into the economy, bid up

632
00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:20,960
all the goods we buy, and and everybody

633
00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:22,798
got smoked with higher prices. But the

634
00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:24,880
point is that it was the it was the

635
00:21:22,798 --> 00:21:27,200
common people who don't study this stuff

636
00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:28,960
for a living, who don't read endless

637
00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:30,798
reports and studies, who could just

638
00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:32,798
figure out that if there's money pouring

639
00:21:30,798 --> 00:21:34,558
into the economy that's not matched by

640
00:21:32,798 --> 00:21:37,038
goods and services, it's going to bid up

641
00:21:34,558 --> 00:21:39,119
the cost of everything. So that's my

642
00:21:37,038 --> 00:21:40,640
experience in my my ideology is the

643
00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:42,639
common guy knows how to make his own

644
00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:43,360
decisions. We need to empower him to do

645
00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:44,480
that.

646
00:21:43,359 --> 00:21:45,119
>> Yeah. And just stay out of people's

647
00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:47,919
lives.

648
00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:50,399
>> Exactly. So there's a narrative in

649
00:21:47,919 --> 00:21:52,880
America and the narrative is that you

650
00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:55,038
were about to win and your party was

651
00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:56,240
about to win but then Trump came along

652
00:21:55,038 --> 00:21:58,480
and said he was going to turn Canada

653
00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:59,919
into the 51st state and everybody went

654
00:21:58,480 --> 00:22:01,360
crazy. Is that accurate?

655
00:21:59,919 --> 00:22:04,880
>> I wouldn't say they went crazy. I mean

656
00:22:01,359 --> 00:22:05,199
it like they got very upset though. I

657
00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:06,400
mean

658
00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:08,159
>> it's a crazy thing to say.

659
00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:09,280
>> It is a crazy thing to say. Canada's not

660
00:22:08,159 --> 00:22:11,760
for sale. We're never going to be the

661
00:22:09,279 --> 00:22:13,918
51st state. Uh, you know, we love

662
00:22:11,759 --> 00:22:17,038
Americans as neighbors and friends, but

663
00:22:13,919 --> 00:22:19,120
we we want to be can uniquely and we

664
00:22:17,038 --> 00:22:20,480
want to be sovereign as Canadians. It's

665
00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:22,639
our country. It's where we grow up.

666
00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:24,240
You're a patriot as an American. I'm a

667
00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:26,559
patriot as a Canadian. It's where my

668
00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:29,440
grandfather arrived. It's where our

669
00:22:26,558 --> 00:22:31,759
collective ancestors uh put on military

670
00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:33,038
uniforms and sailed to fight wars. It's

671
00:22:31,759 --> 00:22:35,359
where our grandkids are going to live.

672
00:22:33,038 --> 00:22:38,000
We're very proudly Canadian. So, we're

673
00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:40,079
never going to be the 51st state. And I

674
00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:42,079
I just wish he'd knock that [ __ ] off so

675
00:22:40,079 --> 00:22:44,399
that we can get back to talking about

676
00:22:42,079 --> 00:22:46,399
the things that that we can do as two

677
00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:47,679
separate but but two separate countries

678
00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:49,280
that are actually friends.

679
00:22:47,679 --> 00:22:50,640
>> Did that really have that much of an

680
00:22:49,279 --> 00:22:53,839
effect up there? Like did people take

681
00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:55,520
him seriously?

682
00:22:53,839 --> 00:22:58,079
>> I think at first everyone thought it was

683
00:22:55,519 --> 00:22:59,440
a joke because we've always had these

684
00:22:58,079 --> 00:23:01,678
jokes like you know one day we're going

685
00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:03,919
to take over Vermont and Detroit should

686
00:23:01,679 --> 00:23:05,840
be part of Canada and all that stuff.

687
00:23:03,919 --> 00:23:10,320
But then he kept saying it and saying it

688
00:23:05,839 --> 00:23:12,319
and uh you know it became un it became

689
00:23:10,319 --> 00:23:13,678
uh a lot of people got upset about it

690
00:23:12,319 --> 00:23:15,839
and I think understandably so.

691
00:23:13,679 --> 00:23:16,798
>> Understandably. Yeah. I mean it's a

692
00:23:15,839 --> 00:23:18,558
crazy thing to say.

693
00:23:16,798 --> 00:23:20,240
>> It is a crazy thing to say.

694
00:23:18,558 --> 00:23:21,759
>> I talked to the phone about it. It was

695
00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:23,359
like so funny. It's like at first I was

696
00:23:21,759 --> 00:23:24,960
joking but then people were like it's a

697
00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:26,479
good idea.

698
00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:28,319
>> That's not a good idea.

699
00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:31,440
>> Nobody's saying that. I can assure him

700
00:23:28,319 --> 00:23:32,798
of that. But uh and and and the tariffs

701
00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:35,120
aren't a good idea either. We should get

702
00:23:32,798 --> 00:23:37,759
the tariffs out because there's so much

703
00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:39,279
we could be doing together as neighbors

704
00:23:37,759 --> 00:23:42,480
and partners if we got rid of those

705
00:23:39,279 --> 00:23:43,839
tariffs. Um, you know, the I think what

706
00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:47,120
are the biggest problems in America

707
00:23:43,839 --> 00:23:48,959
today? Affordability, security, and we

708
00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:50,879
can help with both. We knock the tariffs

709
00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:52,640
down. Let's look at affordability. We

710
00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:54,799
got the fourth biggest supply of oil

711
00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:56,960
anywhere on Earth. You guys pay a huge

712
00:23:54,798 --> 00:23:59,200
price discount for our oil because we're

713
00:23:56,960 --> 00:24:01,679
effectively all our infrastructure to

714
00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:05,038
ship it is north south. And it's a very

715
00:24:01,679 --> 00:24:07,840
unique heavy oil. So we accept uh

716
00:24:05,038 --> 00:24:10,400
unfortunately and for now a price

717
00:24:07,839 --> 00:24:12,079
discount on the oil we send you which

718
00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:13,919
can translate into more jobs and

719
00:24:12,079 --> 00:24:16,158
paychecks but also lower energy prices.

720
00:24:13,919 --> 00:24:18,960
You've got $5 a gallon right now in lots

721
00:24:16,159 --> 00:24:21,039
of places in America. Uh you're buying I

722
00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:23,038
want to produce more so we can sell 2

723
00:24:21,038 --> 00:24:25,119
million more barrels of Canadian oil

724
00:24:23,038 --> 00:24:28,079
into the US market. And then there's

725
00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:30,000
there's housing. You've got huge housing

726
00:24:28,079 --> 00:24:31,759
uh pressures on young people. they can't

727
00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:34,240
afford a place to live. We're the

728
00:24:31,759 --> 00:24:36,879
biggest supplier of of lumber for home

729
00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:38,480
building uh of any country that imports

730
00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:40,320
to the United States, exports to the

731
00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:42,319
United States. Uh we've got very low

732
00:24:40,319 --> 00:24:44,798
cost but high quality softwood lumber we

733
00:24:42,319 --> 00:24:48,558
could be shipping or the best truck the

734
00:24:44,798 --> 00:24:51,440
bestselling truck in America for 45

735
00:24:48,558 --> 00:24:53,918
years now is the Ford series. It's

736
00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:57,038
aluminum. It's a it's a militaryra

737
00:24:53,919 --> 00:24:58,320
aluminum body. You guys can't make

738
00:24:57,038 --> 00:25:00,960
enough aluminum here. don't have enough

739
00:24:58,319 --> 00:25:02,879
boxite or electricity to to convert it

740
00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:04,880
into aluminum and aluminum. You get your

741
00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:06,640
your aluminum from us. A tariff does not

742
00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:08,960
bring the production to America. It

743
00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:10,480
raises the price of the aluminum and

744
00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:12,960
therefore the F- series truck. Get rid

745
00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:15,599
of that tariff. You lower taxes. You

746
00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:17,600
lower the cost of an F-ser truck for the

747
00:25:15,599 --> 00:25:21,038
for the miner in Appalachia or the

748
00:25:17,599 --> 00:25:22,959
electrician in Ohio. And and that's just

749
00:25:21,038 --> 00:25:25,359
on the affordability side. There's a lot

750
00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:27,679
we can do with our minerals to make the

751
00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:29,519
continent a hell of a lot safer as well.

752
00:25:27,679 --> 00:25:32,640
So, I think it's in America's interest

753
00:25:29,519 --> 00:25:35,839
to to come towards a a tariff-free deal

754
00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:37,360
and and trade freely as friends and uh

755
00:25:35,839 --> 00:25:38,879
that will be good for both of us.

756
00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:39,599
>> Have you had conversations with Trump

757
00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:42,320
about this?

758
00:25:39,599 --> 00:25:44,399
>> No. I I I believe in the rule of uh one

759
00:25:42,319 --> 00:25:46,158
prime minister at a time. So, I fought

760
00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:48,798
like hell to win. I didn't win. We came

761
00:25:46,159 --> 00:25:50,559
very close. So, I I've said, "Listen,

762
00:25:48,798 --> 00:25:53,038
I'll leave it to the prime minister to

763
00:25:50,558 --> 00:25:54,399
do the negotiating." and I've said I'll

764
00:25:53,038 --> 00:25:55,839
support him anyway I can. Even in my

765
00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:57,679
visit down here, I'm sending him text

766
00:25:55,839 --> 00:26:00,480
messages to tell him what's going on to

767
00:25:57,679 --> 00:26:01,919
try and support his work cuz what we

768
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:03,519
want we both want what's best for

769
00:26:01,919 --> 00:26:05,200
Canada.

770
00:26:03,519 --> 00:26:07,679
>> Where are your elections now? When do

771
00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:10,880
you have the next elections?

772
00:26:07,679 --> 00:26:12,000
>> That's um this is a a strangely hard

773
00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:13,360
question to answer because

774
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:14,000
>> I know you have a weird system.

775
00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:16,079
>> Yeah, it's

776
00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:18,079
>> weird in comparison to ours rather.

777
00:26:16,079 --> 00:26:19,519
>> Yours are fixed. Um, as you know, ours,

778
00:26:18,079 --> 00:26:20,879
we have technically fixed election

779
00:26:19,519 --> 00:26:23,119
dates, but they but the government can

780
00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:25,120
fall at any time. It's very simple uh

781
00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:26,959
rule is that if the opposition parties

782
00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:28,319
bind up and they can vote down the

783
00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:30,000
government, that is to say, the majority

784
00:26:28,319 --> 00:26:31,200
of MPs in the House say we've lost

785
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:33,278
confidence in the government, the

786
00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:35,600
election is now. Or if the prime

787
00:26:33,278 --> 00:26:36,880
minister uh decides he wants an

788
00:26:35,599 --> 00:26:40,000
election, he can call it and the

789
00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:43,039
election is now. But uh he it has to be

790
00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:45,038
sometime in the next roughly 3 years.

791
00:26:43,038 --> 00:26:47,679
>> Oh, so you have a deadline where it has

792
00:26:45,038 --> 00:26:49,599
to take place. Yeah, that's right. So,

793
00:26:47,679 --> 00:26:52,320
>> but it could happen tomorrow.

794
00:26:49,599 --> 00:26:54,000
>> The it wouldn't necessarily be tomorrow,

795
00:26:52,319 --> 00:26:56,000
but like you know in the next few weeks

796
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:58,558
if there were a non-confidence vote and

797
00:26:56,000 --> 00:27:00,079
they government lost it, then then they

798
00:26:58,558 --> 00:27:01,918
then they go to an election. So, it's

799
00:27:00,079 --> 00:27:02,558
kind of like the British system.

800
00:27:01,919 --> 00:27:03,919
>> Interesting.

801
00:27:02,558 --> 00:27:05,678
>> Yeah. Well, it is the British system

802
00:27:03,919 --> 00:27:07,440
really. We we we adopted the British

803
00:27:05,679 --> 00:27:10,080
system almost identically.

804
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:12,400
>> So, when you're campaigning, you're

805
00:27:10,079 --> 00:27:14,399
essentially this is like a long game.

806
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:16,320
>> Yeah. You're you're just laying out your

807
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:18,798
strategy, laying out what you would do

808
00:27:16,319 --> 00:27:21,519
to make Canada a better place.

809
00:27:18,798 --> 00:27:22,960
>> Yeah. Well, we have two roles. So, I I

810
00:27:21,519 --> 00:27:25,119
said I'm the leader of the opposition,

811
00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:27,440
but I'm also prime minister in waiting.

812
00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:28,639
So, the notion is that the Canadian

813
00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:29,679
people should not only have a

814
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:31,360
government, but they should have an

815
00:27:29,679 --> 00:27:34,000
alternative. And that alternative has

816
00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:35,439
two functions. Official opposition, it's

817
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:38,159
actually called that. I think it's a

818
00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:40,880
proper noun, capital O official, capital

819
00:27:38,159 --> 00:27:42,960
Opposition. And also government in

820
00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:45,200
waiting. So you have to be prosecuting

821
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:46,960
the government, but you have to present

822
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:48,798
to yourself yourself to people in a way

823
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:51,278
where they say, "Yeah, that guy or that

824
00:27:48,798 --> 00:27:52,798
team could actually be the government."

825
00:27:51,278 --> 00:27:53,839
Those are the dual roles that I have to

826
00:27:52,798 --> 00:27:57,839
carry out.

827
00:27:53,839 --> 00:27:59,839
>> Interesting. And how long have you been

828
00:27:57,839 --> 00:28:01,599
attempting to become prime minister for?

829
00:27:59,839 --> 00:28:04,079
How long has this been going on for?

830
00:28:01,599 --> 00:28:07,119
>> Uh almost exactly four years because I

831
00:28:04,079 --> 00:28:09,119
launched my campaign in uh February of

832
00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:11,119
2022. Was this something that you had

833
00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:13,278
always had in the back of your mind or

834
00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:15,359
>> I I I I'd say in the back of my mind,

835
00:28:13,278 --> 00:28:17,679
but it wasn't something I was set on.

836
00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:21,119
Like uh I I thought maybe, you know,

837
00:28:17,679 --> 00:28:23,759
when I'm in my 50s or 60s, I would try

838
00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:24,639
it. Uh but I was in no rush to do that.

839
00:28:23,759 --> 00:28:26,319
>> How old are you now?

840
00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:30,320
>> I'm now 46.

841
00:28:26,319 --> 00:28:34,319
>> And so what motivated you to do it?

842
00:28:30,319 --> 00:28:37,038
Well, you know, in after CO uh as CO was

843
00:28:34,319 --> 00:28:39,759
unfolding, it wasn't just the the the CO

844
00:28:37,038 --> 00:28:41,599
policies themselves. It was the economic

845
00:28:39,759 --> 00:28:44,480
policies because I've been very focused

846
00:28:41,599 --> 00:28:46,959
on economics in my parliamentary career.

847
00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:48,720
And I was seeing the size and cost of

848
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:51,360
government, not just in Canada, but all

849
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:53,679
around the world growing so much and

850
00:28:51,359 --> 00:28:56,000
that inflation was just destroying the

851
00:28:53,679 --> 00:28:59,679
workingclass people and that it was

852
00:28:56,000 --> 00:29:01,278
going to get a lot worse. And so I I ran

853
00:28:59,679 --> 00:29:03,679
on the platform of making Canada the

854
00:29:01,278 --> 00:29:06,960
freest country on earth. Uh that we had

855
00:29:03,679 --> 00:29:08,559
a a tradition of freedom in Canada. Our

856
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:10,159
our one of our earliest prime ministers,

857
00:29:08,558 --> 00:29:12,240
Wilfrid Laurier, was asked what's your

858
00:29:10,159 --> 00:29:14,960
what's Canada's nationality. And he

859
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:16,399
couldn't actually list an ethnicity or a

860
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:18,399
religion because we were already mixed

861
00:29:16,398 --> 00:29:19,599
up even 100 years ago. We had Scots and

862
00:29:18,398 --> 00:29:21,519
Irish and

863
00:29:19,599 --> 00:29:23,359
>> first peoples. So he said, "Look, yeah,

864
00:29:21,519 --> 00:29:26,240
French, French, most of all French and

865
00:29:23,359 --> 00:29:28,558
English and first first nations." So he

866
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:30,000
said um

867
00:29:28,558 --> 00:29:32,480
Canada is free and freedom is its

868
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:34,319
nationality. And I wanted to reinstate

869
00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:36,720
that idea. I wanted it to be the freest

870
00:29:34,319 --> 00:29:38,398
country anywhere on earth. And uh so I

871
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:41,200
ran on that platform and won the

872
00:29:38,398 --> 00:29:42,879
leadership and then uh ran in the last

873
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:44,480
election and stayed on after that

874
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:49,278
election. So that's kind of the the last

875
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:51,278
four years of my journey. And so the way

876
00:29:49,278 --> 00:29:53,200
your elections work now, so you you're

877
00:29:51,278 --> 00:29:55,278
essentially just stating your case and

878
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:57,200
going around and talking about what

879
00:29:55,278 --> 00:29:59,200
policies you would implement and how you

880
00:29:57,200 --> 00:30:01,919
would do things differently and just

881
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:06,480
waiting to see how it all plays out.

882
00:30:01,919 --> 00:30:07,919
>> It's we have um see our our our prime

883
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:09,440
minister is different than than the

884
00:30:07,919 --> 00:30:11,759
president. He's actually part of the

885
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:14,000
legislative branch. So he comes in to

886
00:30:11,759 --> 00:30:16,398
the House of Commons and we debate

887
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:18,640
multiple times a week, he and I. So it's

888
00:30:16,398 --> 00:30:20,398
not just, you know, in your system the

889
00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:22,159
the Republican and Democrat hold like

890
00:30:20,398 --> 00:30:23,839
four debates right before the pre the

891
00:30:22,159 --> 00:30:25,600
election. In our system, we're always

892
00:30:23,839 --> 00:30:27,599
debating. So he comes in, he's on one

893
00:30:25,599 --> 00:30:29,439
side, I come in, I'm on the other side,

894
00:30:27,599 --> 00:30:31,519
and I ask him like six consecutive

895
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:33,679
questions, and then he answers, and we

896
00:30:31,519 --> 00:30:34,879
go back and forth, and that's called

897
00:30:33,679 --> 00:30:36,720
question period. Then we have these

898
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:39,200
committees where we prosecute and

899
00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:40,960
propose uh on finance, natural

900
00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:42,880
resources, healthcare, you name it. So

901
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:44,640
we're constantly prosecuting the

902
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:46,880
government, also proposing better ideas

903
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:48,720
at the same time. So like the other day

904
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:50,480
I proposed to to bring back the auto

905
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:52,480
pack between Canada and the US to have

906
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:54,720
tariff-free trade going both ways across

907
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:56,480
the the border. So that's an example of

908
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:58,240
how I'm in a position to actually offer

909
00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:59,919
solutions even though I'm not in the

910
00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:01,440
government and then hopefully government

911
00:30:59,919 --> 00:31:03,600
actually steals my ideas and I've been

912
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:05,038
encouraging them to steal my ideas.

913
00:31:03,599 --> 00:31:06,558
>> So what

914
00:31:05,038 --> 00:31:09,440
>> is this coffee by the way? I need some

915
00:31:06,558 --> 00:31:13,278
caffeine. Yeah, some caffeine there.

916
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:15,679
>> I'm a terrible caffeine addict.

917
00:31:13,278 --> 00:31:17,119
>> Me too. Cheers.

918
00:31:15,679 --> 00:31:18,640
Cheers.

919
00:31:17,119 --> 00:31:19,678
>> Oh, and shout out to George St. Pierre

920
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:22,720
for hooking this up.

921
00:31:19,679 --> 00:31:24,880
>> Yes, George is a good man. Great guy. Uh

922
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:26,480
he uh he said he's going to have me do

923
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:27,520
some pad work with him at some point.

924
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:28,880
Really? That's pretty dangerous.

925
00:31:27,519 --> 00:31:29,359
>> Oh, that's awesome. He's here all the

926
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:30,559
time.

927
00:31:29,359 --> 00:31:32,479
>> He's a fantastic guy.

928
00:31:30,558 --> 00:31:35,200
>> He's the best. He's one of the best

929
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:37,120
representatives of martial arts you you

930
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:38,960
could ever hope to meet. He's got

931
00:31:37,119 --> 00:31:40,719
humility. I remember he came to

932
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:42,319
Parliament Hill uh years ago and I

933
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:44,399
thought, geez, he's going to be because

934
00:31:42,319 --> 00:31:46,960
he's I thought he'd be cocky and

935
00:31:44,398 --> 00:31:47,918
swagger, but he was so down to earth. So

936
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:50,720
much humility

937
00:31:47,919 --> 00:31:52,640
>> for what he's accomplished in MMA. I've

938
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:54,880
I've introduced him to people and they

939
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:56,480
have no idea who he is. And then I go,

940
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:58,159
that is one of the greatest fighters

941
00:31:56,480 --> 00:32:01,278
that ever walked the face of the earth.

942
00:31:58,159 --> 00:32:03,278
Absolutely. No way. He's so nice.

943
00:32:01,278 --> 00:32:07,919
>> And that's the Canadian way though. Like

944
00:32:03,278 --> 00:32:08,240
it's softspoken and gentle and kind but

945
00:32:07,919 --> 00:32:09,440
>> tough.

946
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:10,880
>> Don't don't piss us off.

947
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:13,440
>> Yeah, but tough.

948
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:14,880
>> That's where Trump [ __ ] up.

949
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:17,120
>> I wonder what would have happened if he

950
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:19,840
didn't go along with that 51st state

951
00:32:17,119 --> 00:32:21,199
nonsense, you know? I mean, that that is

952
00:32:19,839 --> 00:32:22,879
the narrative in this country, like I

953
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:23,840
said, that if he didn't do that, that

954
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:25,760
you would have won.

955
00:32:23,839 --> 00:32:28,079
>> Well, you never know. But I I try not to

956
00:32:25,759 --> 00:32:31,278
cry over spilled milk. I focus on what I

957
00:32:28,079 --> 00:32:35,119
have to do and live in the present. Um

958
00:32:31,278 --> 00:32:36,480
but uh but this new guy um

959
00:32:35,119 --> 00:32:37,119
Mealot, have you have you followed him?

960
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:37,919
Mike Malot.

961
00:32:37,119 --> 00:32:39,038
>> Oh, sure. I know Mike.

962
00:32:37,919 --> 00:32:41,360
>> Yeah. He's going to be fighting in

963
00:32:39,038 --> 00:32:42,158
Winnipeg. I think he's the next GSP.

964
00:32:41,359 --> 00:32:42,719
>> He's very good.

965
00:32:42,159 --> 00:32:43,840
>> You like him?

966
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:46,159
>> Yeah, he's excellent. Yeah,

967
00:32:43,839 --> 00:32:47,439
>> he did a great job in Montreal if you

968
00:32:46,159 --> 00:32:49,440
saw him there. But maybe

969
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:51,440
>> Oh, yeah. I've been to many of his

970
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:52,320
called bunch of his fights. Excellent.

971
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:54,399
Yeah, he's excellent.

972
00:32:52,319 --> 00:32:57,200
>> Yeah, he's uh my buddy is his trainer,

973
00:32:54,398 --> 00:33:00,319
Crew Crew Allen Hamalg

974
00:32:57,200 --> 00:33:03,278
>> uh in um in Hamilton. He's a Hamilton

975
00:33:00,319 --> 00:33:04,720
steel uh steel town guy and uh anywhere

976
00:33:03,278 --> 00:33:06,159
we're hoping that he has a big win in

977
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:07,679
Winnipeg. So

978
00:33:06,159 --> 00:33:09,760
>> well you guys have one of the best gyms

979
00:33:07,679 --> 00:33:10,080
in the world, Tristar in Montreal. Is

980
00:33:09,759 --> 00:33:12,480
that right?

981
00:33:10,079 --> 00:33:15,599
>> Fasa Habi who's the

982
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:18,480
>> if there there's like maybe a handful of

983
00:33:15,599 --> 00:33:20,319
great masterminds in in MMA as far as

984
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:20,720
coaches and Kas is at the top of the

985
00:33:20,319 --> 00:33:22,158
list.

986
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:23,360
>> Is that right? And what's his

987
00:33:22,159 --> 00:33:25,519
>> He trained GSP.

988
00:33:23,359 --> 00:33:28,079
>> Is his discipline karate or kickboxing

989
00:33:25,519 --> 00:33:29,919
Muay Thai? I mean, he's I mean, he's a

990
00:33:28,079 --> 00:33:32,879
true mixed martial artist. Black belt

991
00:33:29,919 --> 00:33:34,799
and jiu-jitsu, kickboxing, every I mean,

992
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:36,960
he can do everything. And he has an

993
00:33:34,798 --> 00:33:38,480
Tristar is a place where a lot of people

994
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:39,120
from America go up there for their

995
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:39,759
camps.

996
00:33:39,119 --> 00:33:40,239
>> Interesting.

997
00:33:39,759 --> 00:33:41,759
>> Yeah.

998
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:43,679
>> I have to drop in and see those guys.

999
00:33:41,759 --> 00:33:45,519
>> Oh, it's phenomenal. I mean, like I

1000
00:33:43,679 --> 00:33:47,038
said, GSP trained up there. A lot a lot

1001
00:33:45,519 --> 00:33:48,640
of fighters trained up there. And he

1002
00:33:47,038 --> 00:33:50,480
also had a great working relationship

1003
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:52,720
with a lot of people in America. So he

1004
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:54,798
would come down and, you know, they

1005
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:56,319
would exchange fighters back and forth

1006
00:33:54,798 --> 00:33:58,079
and train with each other.

1007
00:33:56,319 --> 00:33:59,519
>> Yeah. Well, we have a great martial arts

1008
00:33:58,079 --> 00:34:01,599
tradition in Canada. Um, I don't know if

1009
00:33:59,519 --> 00:34:05,200
you know Mike Miles, he brought Muay

1010
00:34:01,599 --> 00:34:07,678
Thai from from Thailand to uh Calgary

1011
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:10,320
like back in 7 in the 70s or 80s and he

1012
00:34:07,679 --> 00:34:11,838
still got a great gym there. And uh,

1013
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:13,280
>> do you know who Jean Tero is?

1014
00:34:11,838 --> 00:34:13,918
>> Yes, he's a buddy of mine. Really? From

1015
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:14,720
Ottawa? Yeah.

1016
00:34:13,918 --> 00:34:15,440
>> Oh, no kidding.

1017
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:17,279
>> Yeah, he

1018
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:18,720
>> he was a hero of mine when I was a kid.

1019
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:21,119
>> Yeah, he's incredible. When I was

1020
00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:21,678
kickboxing, he was like my idol.

1021
00:34:21,119 --> 00:34:22,079
>> Really?

1022
00:34:21,679 --> 00:34:23,599
>> Yeah.

1023
00:34:22,079 --> 00:34:24,639
>> Does he know that?

1024
00:34:23,599 --> 00:34:25,519
>> I never talked to him.

1025
00:34:24,639 --> 00:34:26,559
>> Well, he's going to see this.

1026
00:34:25,519 --> 00:34:26,960
>> I bought his book.

1027
00:34:26,559 --> 00:34:28,398
>> Yeah,

1028
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:30,320
>> I bought his book. I started running

1029
00:34:28,398 --> 00:34:31,679
stairs because of his book cuz he was

1030
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:33,039
talking about how it increased his leg

1031
00:34:31,679 --> 00:34:34,480
muscles and his kicking power.

1032
00:34:33,039 --> 00:34:36,000
>> I remember that. It was in one of his

1033
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:37,440
documentaries or something. He said his

1034
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:39,280
kicks weren't strong enough, so he would

1035
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:41,918
do stairs. But I went and trading at his

1036
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:44,879
dojo a few times. It's in South Ottawa.

1037
00:34:41,918 --> 00:34:47,759
>> Uh he was incredible. He was uh he was

1038
00:34:44,878 --> 00:34:48,480
one of the truly elite kickboxers of his

1039
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:50,560
time.

1040
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:52,639
>> He he he was a great boxer. Like I know

1041
00:34:50,559 --> 00:34:54,719
he he never competed as a boxer, but his

1042
00:34:52,639 --> 00:34:56,079
his hands were fantastic. And

1043
00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:58,000
>> well, that's really what separated him

1044
00:34:56,079 --> 00:35:00,560
from a lot of other people was like his

1045
00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:03,679
accuracy and his technique was pristine.

1046
00:35:00,559 --> 00:35:06,719
>> He told me that he would spend hours

1047
00:35:03,679 --> 00:35:08,799
studying the the distances that your

1048
00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:11,279
limbs would have to travel depending on

1049
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:13,519
how you moved. He was kind of uh like a

1050
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:16,320
scientist in the way he learned and

1051
00:35:13,519 --> 00:35:19,920
studied and he was all about simplicity

1052
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:21,440
and removing anything unnecessary. Uh I

1053
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:24,320
think Bruce Lee said that he said

1054
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:25,760
simplicity hack away at the unnecessary

1055
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:28,400
>> and uh you know how do you what's the

1056
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:30,480
shortest distance to to hit the strike

1057
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:33,519
>> and um he's got a great he has a really

1058
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:36,159
good heart too you know he had um

1059
00:35:33,519 --> 00:35:37,599
>> he has a jiu-jitsu club as well

1060
00:35:36,159 --> 00:35:39,598
>> and when I went in there there was a

1061
00:35:37,599 --> 00:35:40,880
blind fellow who was into jiu-jitsu

1062
00:35:39,599 --> 00:35:42,559
which you can do as a blind person

1063
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:44,480
because it's so much about feel

1064
00:35:42,559 --> 00:35:45,679
>> but with co he couldn't do jiu-jitsu

1065
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:48,320
anymore because they they they

1066
00:35:45,679 --> 00:35:50,239
disallowed that kind of up close contact

1067
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:52,240
so He actually found a way to train this

1068
00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:54,719
guy with focus mitts even though he was

1069
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:56,078
blind. It was really incredible. Oh wow.

1070
00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:57,439
>> Yeah. It was just but it it was

1071
00:35:56,079 --> 00:35:59,200
incredible amount of patience he had

1072
00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:00,639
invested in making sure this this young

1073
00:35:59,199 --> 00:36:02,078
man could keep doing his physical

1074
00:36:00,639 --> 00:36:04,159
activity throughout co

1075
00:36:02,079 --> 00:36:05,839
>> Wait a minute. So they allowed pad work

1076
00:36:04,159 --> 00:36:06,960
but they didn't allow jiu-jitsu.

1077
00:36:05,838 --> 00:36:08,960
>> I don't know if it was a government

1078
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:10,559
policy or if it was just it was a policy

1079
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:13,599
at the gym because you know you're just

1080
00:36:10,559 --> 00:36:15,440
so wrapped up and sweating and I'll le

1081
00:36:13,599 --> 00:36:16,160
the gyms in America everybody just

1082
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:18,240
>> just kept going.

1083
00:36:16,159 --> 00:36:20,719
>> Kept going. They hid. They would like

1084
00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:22,559
put foil over the windows and like hide

1085
00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:24,399
or come in through the back door. A lot

1086
00:36:22,559 --> 00:36:25,519
of the gyms in LA, that's what they did.

1087
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:28,079
>> They just plowed ahead.

1088
00:36:25,519 --> 00:36:30,400
>> They just figured out a way to not get

1089
00:36:28,079 --> 00:36:32,400
in trouble and and some people did get

1090
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:34,240
caught and get in trouble and nothing

1091
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:36,079
ever came of it because it's pretty

1092
00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:38,319
unconstitutional to tell people that

1093
00:36:36,079 --> 00:36:40,480
they can't work out together. Like the

1094
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:43,039
government really didn't have the right

1095
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:45,280
to tell people that they couldn't do

1096
00:36:43,039 --> 00:36:47,039
what they wanted to do. That was a legal

1097
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:49,359
thing that you can do. Like all of a

1098
00:36:47,039 --> 00:36:52,719
sudden there's this

1099
00:36:49,358 --> 00:36:54,000
mandate, there's this law or rule being

1100
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:56,639
passed down or at least it's being

1101
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:59,280
promoted that you're not allowed to go

1102
00:36:56,639 --> 00:37:01,358
to a gym and work out with other people.

1103
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:02,960
Like, but those are the healthiest

1104
00:37:01,358 --> 00:37:05,358
people. Those are the people that are

1105
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:07,920
least likely to get sick. Like this this

1106
00:37:05,358 --> 00:37:10,239
is crazy to say. And you know, if you're

1107
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:11,519
sick and if you just have a good gym

1108
00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:13,519
with good people, say, "Hey, don't show

1109
00:37:11,519 --> 00:37:15,199
up if you're sick." Everybody should be

1110
00:37:13,519 --> 00:37:17,119
okay. These are the people you should

1111
00:37:15,199 --> 00:37:19,358
worry about the least.

1112
00:37:17,119 --> 00:37:20,800
>> We need to have common sense again. And

1113
00:37:19,358 --> 00:37:22,559
uh too many governments in the Western

1114
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:24,800
world have gone way too bossy. They're

1115
00:37:22,559 --> 00:37:27,279
just looking for every excuse to boss

1116
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:28,720
people around. And uh that's what we

1117
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:32,480
have to push back again. and it's you

1118
00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:36,399
know EV mandates or um you know

1119
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:39,039
excessive uh control of the internet or

1120
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:40,079
um the massive increase in the cost of

1121
00:37:39,039 --> 00:37:42,320
government which is really like

1122
00:37:40,079 --> 00:37:44,240
appropriating the private voluntary

1123
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:46,480
economy into the coercive government

1124
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:49,279
economy. Uh that's uh that's what we're

1125
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:51,838
seeing across Europe in the UK parts of

1126
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:54,079
the United States as well as uh back

1127
00:37:51,838 --> 00:37:55,920
home. So we need to we need to reverse

1128
00:37:54,079 --> 00:37:57,680
that trend and get people back in charge

1129
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:59,599
of their lives. Well, the narrative has

1130
00:37:57,679 --> 00:38:02,639
always been that

1131
00:37:59,599 --> 00:38:05,039
rights lost are never regained or are

1132
00:38:02,639 --> 00:38:07,279
very very difficult to regain them. So,

1133
00:38:05,039 --> 00:38:08,800
how could you reverse that?

1134
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:12,720
>> Well, you have to keep fighting. I mean,

1135
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:15,920
we did regain uh our rights uh after co

1136
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:18,319
and you know the the people have to look

1137
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:20,240
look at the history of it. How did

1138
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:21,920
>> which rights did you regain?

1139
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:23,598
>> Well, the all the mandates are gone now,

1140
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:24,240
>> of course, but those were ridiculous

1141
00:38:23,599 --> 00:38:26,720
anyway.

1142
00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:28,319
>> Yeah, they were ridiculous. But uh a lot

1143
00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:30,159
>> and they also impeded business. They

1144
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:31,359
they ruined people's lives, social

1145
00:38:30,159 --> 00:38:34,159
lives.

1146
00:38:31,358 --> 00:38:36,078
>> But freedom has always had to be taken.

1147
00:38:34,159 --> 00:38:38,719
Like you go our tradition goes back to

1148
00:38:36,079 --> 00:38:40,400
to 1215 with the Magna Carta, the great

1149
00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:41,759
charter. And most of the freedoms we

1150
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:45,119
have today were in that original

1151
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:47,280
document. Right to a jury trial, uh no

1152
00:38:45,119 --> 00:38:49,519
arrest without charge, no conf comp

1153
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:51,519
confiscation without compensation, no

1154
00:38:49,519 --> 00:38:53,358
taxation without representation. All

1155
00:38:51,519 --> 00:38:56,559
comes from that one document, the Magna

1156
00:38:53,358 --> 00:38:58,159
Carta. And uh it was because King John

1157
00:38:56,559 --> 00:39:00,000
was taken aside by the barrens and they

1158
00:38:58,159 --> 00:39:02,159
said, "Listen, pal, this is the choice.

1159
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:04,880
Either you sign this and follow it or we

1160
00:39:02,159 --> 00:39:07,039
overthrow you." And as a result, we got

1161
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:09,358
the Magna Carta and all of when you guys

1162
00:39:07,039 --> 00:39:11,759
had your Boston Tea Party and said, "You

1163
00:39:09,358 --> 00:39:14,639
can't tax our tea cuz we don't elect

1164
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:16,160
you." That was an appeal as you were

1165
00:39:14,639 --> 00:39:17,759
Englishmen saying I'm not we're

1166
00:39:16,159 --> 00:39:19,358
Englishmen. We have the right not to be

1167
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:21,200
taxed unless we vote for it and we're

1168
00:39:19,358 --> 00:39:22,719
going to throw you out otherwise. But

1169
00:39:21,199 --> 00:39:26,799
that came out of the fields of Runny

1170
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:28,559
Meat in England in 1215. So it's a long

1171
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:30,320
march towards freedom and it's never

1172
00:39:28,559 --> 00:39:32,159
actually done. Like there's no permanent

1173
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:34,160
victories or defeats. You just have to

1174
00:39:32,159 --> 00:39:36,639
keep going forward.

1175
00:39:34,159 --> 00:39:38,559
>> So if you were elected, let's say you

1176
00:39:36,639 --> 00:39:40,879
get in right now, what what's one of the

1177
00:39:38,559 --> 00:39:43,358
first things you would do?

1178
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:44,800
>> I would unblock our resources. So we

1179
00:39:43,358 --> 00:39:48,960
have the most resources of any country

1180
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:50,400
in the world per capita, bar none. We

1181
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:51,838
need to have to make it happen though.

1182
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:53,838
We need to have the fastest permits

1183
00:39:51,838 --> 00:39:56,559
anywhere in the world and the lowest

1184
00:39:53,838 --> 00:39:58,719
taxes on producing those resources.

1185
00:39:56,559 --> 00:40:01,199
We're the fourth in oil, the number

1186
00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:03,439
number one in uranium, number one in pot

1187
00:40:01,199 --> 00:40:06,960
ash for fertilizer. We have the fifth

1188
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:09,760
biggest supplier of natural gas. We have

1189
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:13,519
um the longest oceanic coastline. Like

1190
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:16,320
we are we have 12 of NATO's

1191
00:40:13,519 --> 00:40:19,199
um sorry we have 10 of 12 of NATO's

1192
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:21,760
defined defense minerals. So, you know,

1193
00:40:19,199 --> 00:40:22,799
you had that guy Palmer Lucky on. I

1194
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:24,880
don't think he can make his stuff

1195
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:26,320
without Canadian minerals. Maybe I'm

1196
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:28,640
wrong, maybe he'll correct me, but like

1197
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:30,800
night vision technology, you need to

1198
00:40:28,639 --> 00:40:33,279
have uh you need to have germanmanium

1199
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:36,400
for that. You need to have ga galium to

1200
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:38,560
make uh semiconductors and radar. You

1201
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:41,119
need to have aluminum for armored

1202
00:40:38,559 --> 00:40:43,279
vehicles and uh airplanes. You need

1203
00:40:41,119 --> 00:40:46,640
cobalt for heat resistant alloys and

1204
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:50,079
fighter jets. You need tungsten for uh

1205
00:40:46,639 --> 00:40:52,559
body, sorry, um uh armor-piercing ammun

1206
00:40:50,079 --> 00:40:54,960
ammunition. We have it all. And what I

1207
00:40:52,559 --> 00:40:56,639
want to do is unblock those resources,

1208
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:59,199
produce them in abundance for ourselves

1209
00:40:56,639 --> 00:41:01,598
and our allies, make, you know, $200,000

1210
00:40:59,199 --> 00:41:03,838
paychecks for our trades workers, build

1211
00:41:01,599 --> 00:41:06,240
up an enormous strategic stockpile of

1212
00:41:03,838 --> 00:41:08,239
it, so that we have tons of leverage in

1213
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:10,239
international relations, and if, god

1214
00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:11,838
forbid, there is ever a global conflict,

1215
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:14,639
we would have all the resources

1216
00:41:11,838 --> 00:41:16,159
necessary to win it. So uh but we need

1217
00:41:14,639 --> 00:41:18,799
to we need to pass we need to get rid of

1218
00:41:16,159 --> 00:41:21,199
a lot of laws that are blocking and and

1219
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:22,880
replace them with laws that have fast

1220
00:41:21,199 --> 00:41:25,598
permitting so that we can produce this

1221
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:28,160
stuff uh on scale very quickly. So is

1222
00:41:25,599 --> 00:41:31,280
the concern the environmental

1223
00:41:28,159 --> 00:41:32,960
impact of extracting these things?

1224
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:35,040
>> Is that what's holding it up?

1225
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:38,720
>> That is the

1226
00:41:35,039 --> 00:41:41,039
that's the ostensible reason. But I just

1227
00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:45,358
think across western the western world

1228
00:41:41,039 --> 00:41:47,039
like Europe, UK, parts of the US and

1229
00:41:45,358 --> 00:41:49,759
Canada, there's a problem with

1230
00:41:47,039 --> 00:41:52,719
bureaucracy just growing way too damn

1231
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:54,560
big. Like, you know, the First Nations

1232
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:56,879
in our country are incredibly

1233
00:41:54,559 --> 00:41:59,279
forward-looking. The Squamish built

1234
00:41:56,880 --> 00:42:01,920
6,000 units of housing on 10 acres of

1235
00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:03,440
land. You can believe it. In a town in a

1236
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:04,880
city of Vancouver where it's very hard

1237
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:06,880
to get a permit to do anything because

1238
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:08,318
it was their land, so they did it.

1239
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:11,280
They're trying to build they're building

1240
00:42:08,318 --> 00:42:14,400
now an LG liquefaction plant where they

1241
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:17,119
replaced uh an old 30 mil. They cleaned

1242
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:18,720
it up and put an LG plant there, but the

1243
00:42:17,119 --> 00:42:22,000
federal government took a lot of time,

1244
00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:23,759
14 years to give them a permit. So, we

1245
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:26,000
need to think like they're thinking,

1246
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:28,560
which is entrepreneurial, speed of

1247
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:30,719
business, get it done quickly. Um,

1248
00:42:28,559 --> 00:42:32,639
that's how you develop like we have this

1249
00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:34,879
community in my my district. It's called

1250
00:42:32,639 --> 00:42:37,598
Hardesty, 600 people. They manage a

1251
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:40,559
hundred billion dollars of oil in a town

1252
00:42:37,599 --> 00:42:42,960
of 600 people. Why is it there? because

1253
00:42:40,559 --> 00:42:46,000
their municipality offers a permit in

1254
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:47,519
one week with one page. And I wanted to

1255
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:48,880
tell this story. So I called them and I

1256
00:42:47,519 --> 00:42:49,838
said, "Can I have someone come and do a

1257
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:51,838
video with me?" And they said, "We don't

1258
00:42:49,838 --> 00:42:53,279
have anyone here. We don't have like

1259
00:42:51,838 --> 00:42:54,639
bureaucrats that can help you." Like

1260
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:55,920
they're all out on their farms right

1261
00:42:54,639 --> 00:42:57,838
now. They come in, they stamp the

1262
00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:59,119
permit, and they go back to their farm.

1263
00:42:57,838 --> 00:43:00,639
Well, that's why we have a hundred

1264
00:42:59,119 --> 00:43:02,240
billion dollars of energy moving through

1265
00:43:00,639 --> 00:43:03,920
the area, which is bigger than the GDP

1266
00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:05,598
of many countries because they have fast

1267
00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:07,039
permits. And that's what we need in

1268
00:43:05,599 --> 00:43:09,119
Canada. We need to be the fastest place

1269
00:43:07,039 --> 00:43:11,679
to get things done. But don't you think

1270
00:43:09,119 --> 00:43:13,838
you need some safeguards to protect the

1271
00:43:11,679 --> 00:43:14,480
environment? And how do you balance that

1272
00:43:13,838 --> 00:43:16,559
out?

1273
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:18,639
>> Protect it quickly. We can figure out

1274
00:43:16,559 --> 00:43:21,279
what what whether a project is damaging

1275
00:43:18,639 --> 00:43:22,879
to the environment in weeks and months

1276
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:24,560
rather than decades. Like there's

1277
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:25,920
nothing you're going to learn in year 14

1278
00:43:24,559 --> 00:43:29,440
of the review that you couldn't have

1279
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:31,039
learned in in month 14. So there's ways

1280
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:32,880
to protect the environment. when the

1281
00:43:31,039 --> 00:43:35,199
Germans So when the Germans had to break

1282
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:38,960
their dependence on Russia after it

1283
00:43:35,199 --> 00:43:41,358
invaded Ukraine, they approved an an LNG

1284
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:43,280
import terminal in 60 days. They

1285
00:43:41,358 --> 00:43:45,598
completed the whole damn thing in less

1286
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:47,519
than 200 days. And guess what? No

1287
00:43:45,599 --> 00:43:48,960
environmental problems. They they got

1288
00:43:47,519 --> 00:43:51,119
their engineers to sit down and figure

1289
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:52,639
out how to do it quickly. And that's the

1290
00:43:51,119 --> 00:43:53,920
that's the mentality that we need to get

1291
00:43:52,639 --> 00:43:57,039
in Canada.

1292
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:59,599
>> So what would you be able to do to

1293
00:43:57,039 --> 00:44:02,159
bypass all this bureaucracy? How could

1294
00:43:59,599 --> 00:44:04,000
that be done legally?

1295
00:44:02,159 --> 00:44:06,159
>> Well, you slim it down to one project,

1296
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:09,440
one environmental review instead of 20

1297
00:44:06,159 --> 00:44:11,039
or 30. You have uh a fixed timeline that

1298
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:13,200
the bureaucrats have to give an answer

1299
00:44:11,039 --> 00:44:16,000
of 6 months rather than just as long as

1300
00:44:13,199 --> 00:44:17,439
they want to drag it on for. Um, and the

1301
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:19,119
other thing I would do is study areas

1302
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:21,440
where they're they're perfectly situated

1303
00:44:19,119 --> 00:44:23,760
to have a project like a pipeline or a

1304
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:25,838
mine or an LG export terminal or a port

1305
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:27,599
expansion. And I would pre-permit it. I

1306
00:44:25,838 --> 00:44:29,039
would say to our officials, go in,

1307
00:44:27,599 --> 00:44:30,880
study, make sure that the environmental

1308
00:44:29,039 --> 00:44:32,639
aspects are all in good order. I will

1309
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:34,160
issue a pre-permit and then anybody who

1310
00:44:32,639 --> 00:44:35,679
comes along and wants to build it, as

1311
00:44:34,159 --> 00:44:37,838
long as they follow the terms and act

1312
00:44:35,679 --> 00:44:40,639
responsibly, has a guaranteed permit

1313
00:44:37,838 --> 00:44:42,559
before they even apply for it. Uh, and

1314
00:44:40,639 --> 00:44:44,799
uh, that I think we would have a roaring

1315
00:44:42,559 --> 00:44:46,880
economy if we did that.

1316
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:49,920
>> That sounds awesome. But the the great

1317
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:51,760
fear is that if you do have an impact on

1318
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:53,920
the environment, that impact is often

1319
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:57,359
permanent and that it's devastating. And

1320
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:59,119
I I've seen some of the oil extraction

1321
00:44:57,358 --> 00:45:01,920
that they've done up in Alberta. When

1322
00:44:59,119 --> 00:45:02,800
you look at the area, it looks like like

1323
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:05,119
scorched earth.

1324
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:07,200
>> No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. It's the

1325
00:45:05,119 --> 00:45:07,599
most responsible oil extraction in the

1326
00:45:07,199 --> 00:45:10,399
world.

1327
00:45:07,599 --> 00:45:12,160
>> But when you when you see these, what is

1328
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:12,800
that one area that often gets

1329
00:45:12,159 --> 00:45:13,598
criticized?

1330
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:14,318
>> Fort Mac.

1331
00:45:13,599 --> 00:45:16,160
>> Is that what it is?

1332
00:45:14,318 --> 00:45:18,159
>> Yeah. It's they're open pit mines. You

1333
00:45:16,159 --> 00:45:20,960
you open up a mine, you take out the you

1334
00:45:18,159 --> 00:45:23,838
take out the bumen. um you subtract you

1335
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:25,760
you separate the sand from the oil, you

1336
00:45:23,838 --> 00:45:27,440
you make it less viscous by putting

1337
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:29,359
diluent in it and and you ship it off

1338
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:31,760
and then after the oil is after the

1339
00:45:29,358 --> 00:45:33,440
mining is done, they they resurface it

1340
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:34,160
and you wouldn't even know there was a

1341
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:36,559
mine there

1342
00:45:34,159 --> 00:45:38,078
>> and there's no impact to groundwater, no

1343
00:45:36,559 --> 00:45:40,400
impact to the environment.

1344
00:45:38,079 --> 00:45:41,839
>> I mean, there's an impact no matter what

1345
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:43,200
you do, but at the end of the day, the

1346
00:45:41,838 --> 00:45:44,799
people who live there are very healthy

1347
00:45:43,199 --> 00:45:46,559
and very happy and they're the strongest

1348
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:48,079
supporters of the expansion of the oil

1349
00:45:46,559 --> 00:45:49,119
sands. It's an incredible

1350
00:45:48,079 --> 00:45:50,318
>> because economically it's

1351
00:45:49,119 --> 00:45:52,880
>> Oh, it's incredible. It's the best

1352
00:45:50,318 --> 00:45:54,639
resource in the world. So, it's like uh

1353
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:56,559
there's no decline rate. You guys have

1354
00:45:54,639 --> 00:45:58,239
shale here, but you know, as the years

1355
00:45:56,559 --> 00:46:01,119
go by, you get less and less out of a

1356
00:45:58,239 --> 00:46:02,959
shale uh reservoir. We we have very

1357
00:46:01,119 --> 00:46:05,358
little decline. We can keep producing

1358
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:07,760
and producing. Uh we have um what's

1359
00:46:05,358 --> 00:46:09,838
called insitu where there's an entire

1360
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:11,440
oil sands operation under your feet. You

1361
00:46:09,838 --> 00:46:12,719
could be out in a forest hunting and you

1362
00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:14,079
wouldn't even know that under your feet

1363
00:46:12,719 --> 00:46:16,078
they're extracting it through a whole

1364
00:46:14,079 --> 00:46:18,240
system of pipes where they inject just

1365
00:46:16,079 --> 00:46:20,000
steam steam vapor that loosens up the

1366
00:46:18,239 --> 00:46:22,399
oil. It sinks down. It goes into another

1367
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:24,480
pipe, comes up to the top and you can

1368
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:27,280
have beautiful pristine nature. The

1369
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:28,318
bears, the the uh the deer, the birds,

1370
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:29,920
they don't even know that there's

1371
00:46:28,318 --> 00:46:32,000
extraction happening under their feet.

1372
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:33,680
So, we have the best industry, the most

1373
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:36,880
responsible industry anywhere in the

1374
00:46:33,679 --> 00:46:38,960
world. It's been a a really disgusting

1375
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:40,960
PR campaign by extremist

1376
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:42,880
environmentalists and frankly some of

1377
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:44,400
our competitors to try and make our

1378
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:45,200
industry look bad. But it's the best

1379
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:46,240
industry in the world.

1380
00:46:45,199 --> 00:46:46,639
>> Yeah, they got me.

1381
00:46:46,239 --> 00:46:48,159
>> Yeah,

1382
00:46:46,639 --> 00:46:49,759
>> I saw some videos on it and I was like,

1383
00:46:48,159 --> 00:46:51,039
"Oh my god, what are they doing to the

1384
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:52,000
ground? What are they doing to the

1385
00:46:51,039 --> 00:46:54,318
earth? It looks horrible."

1386
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:54,800
>> They're all It's It's all [ __ ] We

1387
00:46:54,318 --> 00:46:56,079
have the

1388
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:57,839
>> It looks horrible.

1389
00:46:56,079 --> 00:46:59,359
>> Yeah, but I mean that's just a

1390
00:46:57,838 --> 00:47:01,039
superficial look at it. You I'll take

1391
00:46:59,358 --> 00:47:02,880
you for a tour in the oil sands. You'll

1392
00:47:01,039 --> 00:47:04,559
be amazed. We have the best engineers in

1393
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:06,318
the world. And by the way, the First

1394
00:47:04,559 --> 00:47:08,078
Nations people absolutely love it

1395
00:47:06,318 --> 00:47:10,159
because it's lifting their people out of

1396
00:47:08,079 --> 00:47:12,000
poverty. They're getting enormous job

1397
00:47:10,159 --> 00:47:15,199
opportunities out of it. One of our MPs

1398
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:17,358
is a former chief uh where they took uh

1399
00:47:15,199 --> 00:47:19,439
18% unemployment, brought it down to

1400
00:47:17,358 --> 00:47:20,880
three, balanced their budget. Another

1401
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:22,639
one of my members of parliament in

1402
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:26,079
Northern British Columbia negotiated a

1403
00:47:22,639 --> 00:47:28,400
$40 billion LNG plant on his uh on the

1404
00:47:26,079 --> 00:47:30,000
Heisla territory. It's completely

1405
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:32,400
eliminating poverty for the First

1406
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:34,239
Nations there. And by exporting clean

1407
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:36,880
Canadian natural gas, which we can

1408
00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:40,000
liquefy 25% cheaper because it's cold as

1409
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:42,160
hell in Canada, um they uh actually

1410
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:44,000
displace dirty coal overseas. So instead

1411
00:47:42,159 --> 00:47:46,559
of Asia burning coal, they're burning

1412
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:48,559
clean Canadian gas uh that's delivered

1413
00:47:46,559 --> 00:47:50,559
by First Nations partnership. So this is

1414
00:47:48,559 --> 00:47:53,199
the best way to do it. Makes everybody

1415
00:47:50,559 --> 00:47:54,000
richer and makes our entire continent

1416
00:47:53,199 --> 00:47:56,000
better off. Well,

1417
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:57,440
>> it seems so simple the way you're laying

1418
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:59,760
it out. I don't understand why this

1419
00:47:57,440 --> 00:48:01,679
hasn't been implemented.

1420
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:03,280
Yeah, this is this is the the story of

1421
00:48:01,679 --> 00:48:05,919
my life. Uh it's frustrating.

1422
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:08,000
>> Is it that but it's if is it that

1423
00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:09,760
simple? Is it really that this is what's

1424
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:11,760
holding everything up? The bureaucracy

1425
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:12,560
and the the time it takes for permits

1426
00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:15,200
and

1427
00:48:12,559 --> 00:48:17,039
>> Yeah. Like a lot of things. We have the

1428
00:48:15,199 --> 00:48:18,078
same thing in housing and and so do you

1429
00:48:17,039 --> 00:48:20,159
like if you look at

1430
00:48:18,079 --> 00:48:21,760
>> you look California is terrible. Like

1431
00:48:20,159 --> 00:48:23,759
why is there such a housing shortage in

1432
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:25,280
California? It's because it takes

1433
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:27,359
forever to get a permit and there's

1434
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:28,720
always bureaucracy standing in the way

1435
00:48:27,358 --> 00:48:30,400
and it totally screws over the

1436
00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:31,759
workingclass youth who can't find a

1437
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:34,318
place to live because they're not being

1438
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:36,720
built. And uh we have that challenge in

1439
00:48:34,318 --> 00:48:38,400
Canada as well. So that's why I proposed

1440
00:48:36,719 --> 00:48:40,558
ideas to cut the bureaucracy and the

1441
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:42,720
taxes so that we can build affordable

1442
00:48:40,559 --> 00:48:43,920
homes for our youth cuz right now we

1443
00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:46,078
have a whole generation that can't

1444
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:47,920
afford homes. And that was one of the

1445
00:48:46,079 --> 00:48:51,119
biggest issues I ran on. Home ownership

1446
00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:53,119
is necessary for family formation, for

1447
00:48:51,119 --> 00:48:54,400
civil peace in society where, you know,

1448
00:48:53,119 --> 00:48:57,039
everybody feels like they have a piece

1449
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:58,880
of the pie. Um, we need to expand home

1450
00:48:57,039 --> 00:49:00,318
ownership. But to do that, you've got to

1451
00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:02,318
get the government gatekeepers out of

1452
00:49:00,318 --> 00:49:05,358
the way, speed up the permits, free up

1453
00:49:02,318 --> 00:49:08,480
the land, cut the development taxes.

1454
00:49:05,358 --> 00:49:11,759
>> So, let's assume that you got in office.

1455
00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:13,280
How much time would it take to start

1456
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:16,000
implementing these things? And how

1457
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:17,599
quickly would that impact be felt by the

1458
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:18,880
Canadian people?

1459
00:49:17,599 --> 00:49:20,480
>> Look, I think a lot of them could move

1460
00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:22,318
very quickly. There's a lot of projects

1461
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:24,159
that are pe that that investors are

1462
00:49:22,318 --> 00:49:26,239
sitting on, but they don't have uh

1463
00:49:24,159 --> 00:49:28,000
certainty and permits. So, I would

1464
00:49:26,239 --> 00:49:30,159
unblock that. And I think in the first

1465
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:32,960
year, you would start to see immediate

1466
00:49:30,159 --> 00:49:36,078
benefits uh for the working people who'd

1467
00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:37,440
be getting these jobs. Um, some of it

1468
00:49:36,079 --> 00:49:40,400
would take more and more like a

1469
00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:42,639
medium-term. Like the second thing I

1470
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:46,160
would go after is just the inflationary

1471
00:49:42,639 --> 00:49:49,440
spending which is a big problem all over

1472
00:49:46,159 --> 00:49:51,118
the western world. Like people just

1473
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:52,800
can't afford to live. I don't know if

1474
00:49:51,119 --> 00:49:53,358
you you do do you you encounter that

1475
00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:56,480
around here?

1476
00:49:53,358 --> 00:49:58,880
>> Oh yeah. Yeah. I mean inflation is crazy

1477
00:49:56,480 --> 00:50:00,800
>> and it's I mean the national debt in

1478
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:02,800
America just went up to 39 trillion,

1479
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:05,280
>> right? Which is bigger than your GDP.

1480
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:09,839
>> It's a lot of money. So, so explain this

1481
00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:12,319
to me. 50 years ago, a barber and a a

1482
00:50:09,838 --> 00:50:14,400
barber and a waitress could buy a house

1483
00:50:12,318 --> 00:50:16,000
with a big yard for a dog and raise four

1484
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:18,318
kids, meat and potatoes on the dinner

1485
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:22,159
table every night. And now an accountant

1486
00:50:18,318 --> 00:50:24,079
and a lawyer can't do that. Why is that?

1487
00:50:22,159 --> 00:50:26,558
>> Well, there's a lot of spending and a

1488
00:50:24,079 --> 00:50:31,039
lot of making money. lot of just

1489
00:50:26,559 --> 00:50:32,319
turning, you know, just just making

1490
00:50:31,039 --> 00:50:34,159
>> dollar bills

1491
00:50:32,318 --> 00:50:34,719
>> with nothing behind it, nothing to back

1492
00:50:34,159 --> 00:50:37,358
it.

1493
00:50:34,719 --> 00:50:39,919
>> This is the biggest fraud perpetrated on

1494
00:50:37,358 --> 00:50:40,719
the workingclass people in the last

1495
00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:42,318
hundred years.

1496
00:50:40,719 --> 00:50:44,159
>> Printing money is just insane. It's just

1497
00:50:42,318 --> 00:50:46,639
the the idea you just print more money.

1498
00:50:44,159 --> 00:50:48,719
It's like and people go, "Oh, okay."

1499
00:50:46,639 --> 00:50:50,480
>> Well, it looks it looks painless at

1500
00:50:48,719 --> 00:50:53,679
first, but if you have an economy with

1501
00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:55,599
10 apples and $10, it's a buck an apple.

1502
00:50:53,679 --> 00:50:58,558
You double the number of dollars to 20,

1503
00:50:55,599 --> 00:50:59,760
but you still only have 10 apples. Well,

1504
00:50:58,559 --> 00:51:01,839
all of a sudden, it's two bucks an

1505
00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:04,079
apple. It's not that the cost of apples

1506
00:51:01,838 --> 00:51:05,679
has gone up. It still costs the same

1507
00:51:04,079 --> 00:51:07,680
resources to grow the and pick the

1508
00:51:05,679 --> 00:51:09,199
apples. Is that the the price has gone

1509
00:51:07,679 --> 00:51:10,318
up because the value of the money has

1510
00:51:09,199 --> 00:51:14,318
gone down, right?

1511
00:51:10,318 --> 00:51:15,920
>> So, in America over the last 55 years,

1512
00:51:14,318 --> 00:51:18,079
you've doubled the number of homes in

1513
00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:19,838
America from about 70 million to 150

1514
00:51:18,079 --> 00:51:23,039
million. You know how much the money

1515
00:51:19,838 --> 00:51:27,358
supply has grown? 30 times. So you have

1516
00:51:23,039 --> 00:51:30,079
twice the homes but 30 times the cash.

1517
00:51:27,358 --> 00:51:33,519
So what's happened? Housing costs have

1518
00:51:30,079 --> 00:51:35,200
gone up 15fold in 55 years. And now an

1519
00:51:33,519 --> 00:51:36,719
entire generation of kids can't afford

1520
00:51:35,199 --> 00:51:39,439
homes. We have exactly the same problem

1521
00:51:36,719 --> 00:51:42,799
in Canada. Uh this is the biggest wealth

1522
00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:45,039
transfer from the working class to the

1523
00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:48,079
the elites from uh I say the h have nots

1524
00:51:45,039 --> 00:51:49,440
to the have yachts and Washington and

1525
00:51:48,079 --> 00:51:51,599
Wall Street love it by the way because

1526
00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:53,599
it inflates the stock market inflates

1527
00:51:51,599 --> 00:51:56,318
the bureaucracy. Politicians get to

1528
00:51:53,599 --> 00:51:59,359
spend. CEOs get their stocks uh

1529
00:51:56,318 --> 00:52:01,440
inflated. Um but it destroys the working

1530
00:51:59,358 --> 00:52:03,759
people. And we need to get back to to

1531
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:05,519
hard money. Everything should be getting

1532
00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:08,000
cheaper by the way. You know, it takes

1533
00:52:05,519 --> 00:52:09,920
80 60 to 80% less resources to grow

1534
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:12,000
food. We grow four times the food on the

1535
00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:15,358
same acre, get four times as much milk

1536
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:16,960
from the same cow. We use 80% less water

1537
00:52:15,358 --> 00:52:19,838
and fertilizer. So why isn't it that

1538
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:22,240
food is not less expensive? It's because

1539
00:52:19,838 --> 00:52:24,960
all of those gains are being erased by

1540
00:52:22,239 --> 00:52:26,799
monetary inflation. So it's not that

1541
00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:28,800
food is more costly, it's that the

1542
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:32,000
value, the money we use to buy it has

1543
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:33,440
less uh purchasing power. And uh we need

1544
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:34,800
to do what the Swiss do, which is they

1545
00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:37,358
don't print money. They have balanced

1546
00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:39,359
budgets. They have almost no deficit.

1547
00:52:37,358 --> 00:52:40,960
And they have almost zero inflation in

1548
00:52:39,358 --> 00:52:43,440
Switzerland. They have the strongest

1549
00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:45,599
money in the world, the Swiss Frank. And

1550
00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:48,000
uh we would all be better if we operated

1551
00:52:45,599 --> 00:52:48,640
like the Swiss when it comes to our

1552
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:51,199
money.

1553
00:52:48,639 --> 00:52:53,440
>> So in a real world scenario, it's like

1554
00:52:51,199 --> 00:52:54,799
you you take over Canada. How would you

1555
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:58,159
go about implementing this?

1556
00:52:54,800 --> 00:53:00,480
>> You got to cut bureaucracy, consultants,

1557
00:52:58,159 --> 00:53:01,039
which consume, by the way, $26 billion

1558
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:02,960
of spending.

1559
00:53:01,039 --> 00:53:04,880
>> How big is your debt in Canada? uh

1560
00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:06,079
1.3ish trillion.

1561
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:08,800
>> Oh, that's baby debt.

1562
00:53:06,079 --> 00:53:10,079
>> It's comp compared to you. You guys are

1563
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:11,519
you guys are ridiculous.

1564
00:53:10,079 --> 00:53:13,519
>> Wild. But you know, you've gotten away

1565
00:53:11,519 --> 00:53:15,599
with it because the dollar the American

1566
00:53:13,519 --> 00:53:17,679
dollar is the reserve currency.

1567
00:53:15,599 --> 00:53:19,280
>> So all these countries prop up the value

1568
00:53:17,679 --> 00:53:21,759
of the US dollar by keeping it on

1569
00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:22,160
reserve. Um better hope that doesn't

1570
00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:23,200
change.

1571
00:53:22,159 --> 00:53:26,639
>> Yeah, better hope.

1572
00:53:23,199 --> 00:53:29,118
>> We we we don't have that luxury. And so

1573
00:53:26,639 --> 00:53:30,558
uh but we do have a lot of debt and we

1574
00:53:29,119 --> 00:53:33,119
have a lot we have provinces too.

1575
00:53:30,559 --> 00:53:35,040
They're quite indebted. But um I would

1576
00:53:33,119 --> 00:53:37,358
cut the bureaucracy. I would cut uh

1577
00:53:35,039 --> 00:53:40,239
consultants, foreign aid. I'd cut way

1578
00:53:37,358 --> 00:53:41,920
back on foreign aid. Uh the we give out

1579
00:53:40,239 --> 00:53:43,358
corporate welfare, these checks to

1580
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:45,838
corporations. I believe business should

1581
00:53:43,358 --> 00:53:47,679
make money rather than take money. So I

1582
00:53:45,838 --> 00:53:50,799
would get rid of that. We're giving a

1583
00:53:47,679 --> 00:53:54,879
lot of money to fake fake refugees. Um

1584
00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:56,800
people who come in and don't uh actually

1585
00:53:54,880 --> 00:53:58,960
or they're not actually fleeing danger.

1586
00:53:56,800 --> 00:54:01,200
Um like I love real refugees. My wife

1587
00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:02,800
was a refugee, but I have no time for

1588
00:54:01,199 --> 00:54:03,358
people who are pretending, but they're

1589
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:04,800
not really.

1590
00:54:03,358 --> 00:54:06,078
>> And what do you mean by pretending to be

1591
00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:07,440
a refugee? How are they doing this?

1592
00:54:06,079 --> 00:54:10,000
>> They're not actually endangered in their

1593
00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:13,358
home country. So, they've come to be

1594
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:15,119
declared themselves as students and then

1595
00:54:13,358 --> 00:54:15,838
wanting to stay, declaring a refugee

1596
00:54:15,119 --> 00:54:17,358
status.

1597
00:54:15,838 --> 00:54:19,599
>> Oh, and this is common.

1598
00:54:17,358 --> 00:54:20,558
>> Yeah, it happens. It happens. And I

1599
00:54:19,599 --> 00:54:22,079
mean, they just want to have a better

1600
00:54:20,559 --> 00:54:24,720
life. So I don't I don't begrudge them

1601
00:54:22,079 --> 00:54:27,359
as people, but we can't we can't spend

1602
00:54:24,719 --> 00:54:29,759
money on social service to enhance

1603
00:54:27,358 --> 00:54:32,078
social services, advanced programs that

1604
00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:32,880
we as Canadians don't get for people who

1605
00:54:32,079 --> 00:54:33,920
are not paying into.

1606
00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:36,640
>> So you're not opposed to them being

1607
00:54:33,920 --> 00:54:38,960
there. You're opposed to them getting

1608
00:54:36,639 --> 00:54:40,639
>> I'm opposed to them if if they're not

1609
00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:42,800
real refugees, they shouldn't be brought

1610
00:54:40,639 --> 00:54:44,480
in as refugees. I think we have to

1611
00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:45,920
distinguish between those people who are

1612
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:48,159
actually in danger in their home

1613
00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:50,079
country, which is the definition of an a

1614
00:54:48,159 --> 00:54:53,358
refugee, and someone who just wants to

1615
00:54:50,079 --> 00:54:54,960
come uh in in excess of uh of their

1616
00:54:53,358 --> 00:54:56,639
their proper immigration.

1617
00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:59,199
>> Is it that common that it's actually

1618
00:54:56,639 --> 00:55:00,960
affecting our economy?

1619
00:54:59,199 --> 00:55:02,719
>> Right now, it's a challenge because um

1620
00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:04,159
we had a big number of international

1621
00:55:02,719 --> 00:55:06,639
students and temporary foreign workers

1622
00:55:04,159 --> 00:55:09,199
that came in in very large numbers in

1623
00:55:06,639 --> 00:55:11,279
like 2 or 3 years. um we were bringing

1624
00:55:09,199 --> 00:55:12,960
in about a million people a year which

1625
00:55:11,280 --> 00:55:14,400
in in America's terms would be 10

1626
00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:17,199
million like just if you're doing per

1627
00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:20,480
capita and it really caused a housing

1628
00:55:17,199 --> 00:55:22,239
shortage um like some places where you

1629
00:55:20,480 --> 00:55:24,800
have 26 of these students living in one

1630
00:55:22,239 --> 00:55:26,159
basement. Um so we're trying to unwind

1631
00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:28,318
that now

1632
00:55:26,159 --> 00:55:29,920
>> and how how do you do that?

1633
00:55:28,318 --> 00:55:32,318
>> Well, when their work permit and their

1634
00:55:29,920 --> 00:55:35,119
visitor visa runs out, then we have to

1635
00:55:32,318 --> 00:55:36,800
encourage them to to head back um

1636
00:55:35,119 --> 00:55:39,358
lawfully,

1637
00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:39,839
>> right? But you don't want to do it ICE

1638
00:55:39,358 --> 00:55:41,440
style.

1639
00:55:39,838 --> 00:55:43,519
>> No. No. I don't think we need to do

1640
00:55:41,440 --> 00:55:45,119
that. I just think we have to be orderly

1641
00:55:43,519 --> 00:55:46,880
and lawful about it.

1642
00:55:45,119 --> 00:55:47,280
>> And is that supported by the Canadian

1643
00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:48,960
people?

1644
00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:50,798
>> Yes. Because we're a very welcoming

1645
00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:54,400
country. We're a nation of immigrants,

1646
00:55:50,798 --> 00:55:56,400
but we're also a nation of laws. And we

1647
00:55:54,400 --> 00:55:58,400
the there's a general consensus like

1648
00:55:56,400 --> 00:56:00,639
across the the spectrum in Canada that

1649
00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:03,760
there there was the the population

1650
00:56:00,639 --> 00:56:06,480
growth was too fast for like four or

1651
00:56:03,760 --> 00:56:08,640
five years. And uh so we're we're trying

1652
00:56:06,480 --> 00:56:10,240
to unwind that. Now,

1653
00:56:08,639 --> 00:56:13,838
>> um what are what are the other things

1654
00:56:10,239 --> 00:56:17,598
that you would have to do to drop your

1655
00:56:13,838 --> 00:56:19,599
debt and sort of balance your budget and

1656
00:56:17,599 --> 00:56:21,760
begin to turn things around?

1657
00:56:19,599 --> 00:56:23,280
>> Well, in addition, so I I I like this

1658
00:56:21,760 --> 00:56:25,520
idea that actually, believe it or not,

1659
00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:28,640
the Clint that Bill Clinton and the

1660
00:56:25,519 --> 00:56:30,880
Republicans did in the '9s in the US. It

1661
00:56:28,639 --> 00:56:32,480
was called the payo law. It was a very

1662
00:56:30,880 --> 00:56:34,079
simple principle. Every time the

1663
00:56:32,480 --> 00:56:36,159
administration wanted to bring in a new

1664
00:56:34,079 --> 00:56:38,480
dollar of spending, they had to match it

1665
00:56:36,159 --> 00:56:41,838
with a dollar of savings. So there was

1666
00:56:38,480 --> 00:56:43,920
no extra net spending for like eight

1667
00:56:41,838 --> 00:56:46,078
years. And that's when your government

1668
00:56:43,920 --> 00:56:49,039
balanced its budget and paid off $400

1669
00:56:46,079 --> 00:56:50,559
billion of debt. That law elapsed in

1670
00:56:49,039 --> 00:56:53,199
2002.

1671
00:56:50,559 --> 00:56:54,880
And immediately after that, America went

1672
00:56:53,199 --> 00:56:56,399
back into deficits. And you haven't

1673
00:56:54,880 --> 00:56:59,519
emerged. You've been in deficit now for

1674
00:56:56,400 --> 00:57:00,880
25 years. This is about internalizing

1675
00:56:59,519 --> 00:57:03,440
scarcity. Every creature in the

1676
00:57:00,880 --> 00:57:04,960
universe, every bird in the trees, every

1677
00:57:03,440 --> 00:57:07,200
fish in the seas has to live with

1678
00:57:04,960 --> 00:57:09,119
scarcity, maximizing use of scarce

1679
00:57:07,199 --> 00:57:11,838
resources. The only creature who doesn't

1680
00:57:09,119 --> 00:57:13,599
do that is the politician because he's

1681
00:57:11,838 --> 00:57:15,279
always using someone else's money,

1682
00:57:13,599 --> 00:57:17,200
>> right? It's like, oh, I'll just print it

1683
00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:18,000
or borrow it or tax it. It's not my

1684
00:57:17,199 --> 00:57:20,960
money.

1685
00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:22,480
>> And so, they routinely show up to their

1686
00:57:20,960 --> 00:57:24,000
cabinet meetings and say, I've got a new

1687
00:57:22,480 --> 00:57:25,358
idea. It's $100 million. Where are you

1688
00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:27,119
going to get it? I don't know. We'll

1689
00:57:25,358 --> 00:57:29,679
print it. We'll borrow it. We'll we'll

1690
00:57:27,119 --> 00:57:31,119
tax it. Not my money. But if you had a

1691
00:57:29,679 --> 00:57:32,399
law saying you can't actually bring a

1692
00:57:31,119 --> 00:57:34,000
proposal to cabinet unless you have

1693
00:57:32,400 --> 00:57:35,200
matching savings to pay for it, well

1694
00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:36,639
then you'd have these politicians

1695
00:57:35,199 --> 00:57:38,719
walking up and down the hallways in

1696
00:57:36,639 --> 00:57:41,118
their departments looking for waste and

1697
00:57:38,719 --> 00:57:43,519
like rooting it out. So instead of

1698
00:57:41,119 --> 00:57:45,119
making the single mom, the senior or the

1699
00:57:43,519 --> 00:57:46,719
small business owner live with scarcity,

1700
00:57:45,119 --> 00:57:48,960
I want the politicians and bureaucrats

1701
00:57:46,719 --> 00:57:51,199
to live with scarcity. And that's what I

1702
00:57:48,960 --> 00:57:54,240
would impose by law on my government.

1703
00:57:51,199 --> 00:57:57,679
>> Well, it's just a rational way to deal

1704
00:57:54,239 --> 00:57:58,959
with the problem. like don't spend money

1705
00:57:57,679 --> 00:57:59,598
unless you could save money.

1706
00:57:58,960 --> 00:58:00,880
>> Exactly.

1707
00:57:59,599 --> 00:58:03,039
>> That's how you balance things out. I

1708
00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:03,440
mean, Clinton did balance the budget.

1709
00:58:03,039 --> 00:58:04,960
>> He did

1710
00:58:03,440 --> 00:58:06,240
>> during his time. And people forget that

1711
00:58:04,960 --> 00:58:07,679
because we've always assumed that

1712
00:58:06,239 --> 00:58:09,598
there's always been this extraordinary

1713
00:58:07,679 --> 00:58:11,279
debt, but that's not the case. During

1714
00:58:09,599 --> 00:58:13,680
the 1990s,

1715
00:58:11,280 --> 00:58:14,160
>> I mean, it he did a fantastic job at

1716
00:58:13,679 --> 00:58:15,759
that.

1717
00:58:14,159 --> 00:58:17,440
>> Yeah. They I mean, it was that Congress

1718
00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:18,960
was was very disciplined as well, and

1719
00:58:17,440 --> 00:58:20,159
the American people just got fed up and

1720
00:58:18,960 --> 00:58:22,480
said, "We're not tolerating these

1721
00:58:20,159 --> 00:58:24,239
deficits anymore." And and they imposed

1722
00:58:22,480 --> 00:58:25,838
scarcity from the center. And by the

1723
00:58:24,239 --> 00:58:27,838
way, the economy boomed because the

1724
00:58:25,838 --> 00:58:30,400
government was restrained. Then the free

1725
00:58:27,838 --> 00:58:32,880
market economy could just roar. And

1726
00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:35,920
that's uh another part of the equation,

1727
00:58:32,880 --> 00:58:38,640
by the way, is unlock the power of free

1728
00:58:35,920 --> 00:58:40,960
enterprise. Like this is the 250th

1729
00:58:38,639 --> 00:58:43,279
anniversary, not just of the Declaration

1730
00:58:40,960 --> 00:58:45,039
of Independence, but also of Adam

1731
00:58:43,280 --> 00:58:46,798
Smith's Wealth of Nations, where he

1732
00:58:45,039 --> 00:58:48,400
basically for the first time in human

1733
00:58:46,798 --> 00:58:51,599
history described the free market

1734
00:58:48,400 --> 00:58:53,519
system. And um that was starting to

1735
00:58:51,599 --> 00:58:56,880
flourish in the states and in parts of

1736
00:58:53,519 --> 00:58:58,559
Europe. And that system

1737
00:58:56,880 --> 00:59:01,838
basically started to come into place

1738
00:58:58,559 --> 00:59:03,680
after you know the late 1770s. The

1739
00:59:01,838 --> 00:59:05,599
growth since the free market system has

1740
00:59:03,679 --> 00:59:08,719
came in come into place in in the world

1741
00:59:05,599 --> 00:59:11,200
has been 200 times faster than it was

1742
00:59:08,719 --> 00:59:13,598
before because there's is the most

1743
00:59:11,199 --> 00:59:15,519
powerful system for generating material

1744
00:59:13,599 --> 00:59:17,039
benefit for the people and that's what

1745
00:59:15,519 --> 00:59:20,079
we need to restore in Canada. I want to

1746
00:59:17,039 --> 00:59:22,159
make it the freest economy in the world.

1747
00:59:20,079 --> 00:59:25,640
Well, that all sounds amazing. How the

1748
00:59:22,159 --> 00:59:25,639
hell did you lose?

1749
00:59:29,199 --> 00:59:32,639
How can a rational person not vote for

1750
00:59:31,199 --> 00:59:34,798
that? I mean, you're not saying anything

1751
00:59:32,639 --> 00:59:37,358
that's restrictive. You're not saying

1752
00:59:34,798 --> 00:59:40,239
anything that is in any way infringing

1753
00:59:37,358 --> 00:59:42,318
on people's rights or liberties or It

1754
00:59:40,239 --> 00:59:43,519
just sounds like it's all just 100%

1755
00:59:42,318 --> 00:59:45,440
positive for Canada.

1756
00:59:43,519 --> 00:59:47,199
>> That's what I think. That's that's my

1757
00:59:45,440 --> 00:59:49,039
mission and I think it will be positive

1758
00:59:47,199 --> 00:59:50,960
and we'll get there, you know. Um,

1759
00:59:49,039 --> 00:59:53,119
Canadians do things through evolution,

1760
00:59:50,960 --> 00:59:55,039
not revolution. So, I'm just going to

1761
00:59:53,119 --> 00:59:56,798
keep pushing my ideas and I think that I

1762
00:59:55,039 --> 00:59:57,759
think overwhelmingly we'll we'll win the

1763
00:59:56,798 --> 01:00:00,480
next election.

1764
00:59:57,760 --> 01:00:02,720
>> Well, it sounds like

1765
01:00:00,480 --> 01:00:04,798
I I just can't see how someone would

1766
01:00:02,719 --> 01:00:06,798
listen to what you're saying and say I

1767
01:00:04,798 --> 01:00:09,838
find fault in this. Other than like the

1768
01:00:06,798 --> 01:00:12,400
the potential environmental impact of

1769
01:00:09,838 --> 01:00:13,838
extracting resources, I could see how a

1770
01:00:12,400 --> 01:00:15,599
lot of the greenies would get like

1771
01:00:13,838 --> 01:00:17,279
really upset and get their panties in a

1772
01:00:15,599 --> 01:00:18,798
bunch about that and and be very

1773
01:00:17,280 --> 01:00:20,079
incredulous to the idea that you're

1774
01:00:18,798 --> 01:00:22,159
going to protect the environment while

1775
01:00:20,079 --> 01:00:24,318
you're extracting all these resources.

1776
01:00:22,159 --> 01:00:27,039
But if you could lay it all out and also

1777
01:00:24,318 --> 01:00:29,679
lay out this enormous economic impact

1778
01:00:27,039 --> 01:00:31,679
and how it would uplift impoverished

1779
01:00:29,679 --> 01:00:34,000
communities, how it would completely

1780
01:00:31,679 --> 01:00:35,199
change the economic landscape of the

1781
01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:37,760
country,

1782
01:00:35,199 --> 01:00:40,318
>> it just only makes sense. That's why I'm

1783
01:00:37,760 --> 01:00:41,839
baffled.

1784
01:00:40,318 --> 01:00:43,519
>> Well, listen, the people render their

1785
01:00:41,838 --> 01:00:45,279
judgment, but I it means I have to do a

1786
01:00:43,519 --> 01:00:46,880
better job of uh processing.

1787
01:00:45,280 --> 01:00:50,160
>> What were the criticisms of you? like

1788
01:00:46,880 --> 01:00:52,160
what did your opponent say that like

1789
01:00:50,159 --> 01:00:52,639
people that resonated with people?

1790
01:00:52,159 --> 01:00:53,679
>> Um

1791
01:00:52,639 --> 01:00:56,000
>> what were they trying to say?

1792
01:00:53,679 --> 01:00:57,358
>> It was funny because they all disagreed

1793
01:00:56,000 --> 01:00:58,798
with my ideas and they said these are

1794
01:00:57,358 --> 01:00:59,598
all very scary ideas.

1795
01:00:58,798 --> 01:01:01,358
>> Scary

1796
01:00:59,599 --> 01:01:03,039
>> and then they said first of all they

1797
01:01:01,358 --> 01:01:05,039
said they said that I had no policies

1798
01:01:03,039 --> 01:01:06,719
then they said uh they're scary policies

1799
01:01:05,039 --> 01:01:09,519
and then they stole my policies right

1800
01:01:06,719 --> 01:01:11,279
before the election. So uh but hey

1801
01:01:09,519 --> 01:01:13,599
listen if the government that's in power

1802
01:01:11,280 --> 01:01:15,040
now steals all my ideas and does the

1803
01:01:13,599 --> 01:01:16,720
things I want to do then I then I've

1804
01:01:15,039 --> 01:01:18,639
won. That's why I came here. I didn't

1805
01:01:16,719 --> 01:01:20,798
just do it so that I could have the my

1806
01:01:18,639 --> 01:01:22,798
name on the door. So, I keep saying to

1807
01:01:20,798 --> 01:01:25,119
the prime minister, "Seal my ideas."

1808
01:01:22,798 --> 01:01:28,318
>> Right. But he doesn't want to.

1809
01:01:25,119 --> 01:01:31,200
>> Well, he uh I I won't criticize him on

1810
01:01:28,318 --> 01:01:31,920
foreign soil. We'll uh but uh

1811
01:01:31,199 --> 01:01:33,519
>> Good for you.

1812
01:01:31,920 --> 01:01:33,760
>> Yeah. I mean, uh we have a mutual

1813
01:01:33,519 --> 01:01:34,798
respect.

1814
01:01:33,760 --> 01:01:36,799
>> That's such a Canadian thing to do.

1815
01:01:34,798 --> 01:01:38,079
>> That is a very Canadian thing to do.

1816
01:01:36,798 --> 01:01:39,759
>> So polite, you know,

1817
01:01:38,079 --> 01:01:41,920
>> that's what I'm saying about Canadians.

1818
01:01:39,760 --> 01:01:43,280
They're so polite. It's funny, your

1819
01:01:41,920 --> 01:01:45,119
security guy was talking about the

1820
01:01:43,280 --> 01:01:46,640
Canadian standoff of uh, you know, when

1821
01:01:45,119 --> 01:01:47,920
you get to a door, you go first. No, you

1822
01:01:46,639 --> 01:01:49,358
go first. No, you go first. You could

1823
01:01:47,920 --> 01:01:51,599
stay there all day. I actually looked

1824
01:01:49,358 --> 01:01:54,400
this up the other day. Ontario actually

1825
01:01:51,599 --> 01:01:56,240
has an apology act. It's a law that

1826
01:01:54,400 --> 01:01:58,079
defines the apology because we always

1827
01:01:56,239 --> 01:02:00,000
say sorry in Canada. So, they wanted to

1828
01:01:58,079 --> 01:02:01,839
clarify that sorry is not a legal

1829
01:02:00,000 --> 01:02:03,519
admission of guilt. So, like if we get

1830
01:02:01,838 --> 01:02:05,440
into a car accident, I say, "Oh, sorry

1831
01:02:03,519 --> 01:02:07,519
man. I was terrible at your bumper. It

1832
01:02:05,440 --> 01:02:10,400
doesn't mean that I'm guilty."

1833
01:02:07,519 --> 01:02:13,039
So, it's actually in law. Even if

1834
01:02:10,400 --> 01:02:15,358
somebody else screwed up, you say sorry.

1835
01:02:13,039 --> 01:02:17,519
That's funny. That's so Canadian.

1836
01:02:15,358 --> 01:02:19,279
>> But you know, the the great thing about

1837
01:02:17,519 --> 01:02:21,440
Canada is we've always sorted our [ __ ]

1838
01:02:19,280 --> 01:02:23,040
out peacefully. Like the the the the

1839
01:02:21,440 --> 01:02:25,119
Protestants and Catholics tore each

1840
01:02:23,039 --> 01:02:27,279
other's eyeballs out in Europe for like

1841
01:02:25,119 --> 01:02:29,358
hundreds of years. And then we came to

1842
01:02:27,280 --> 01:02:30,880
Canada and just got along. And and

1843
01:02:29,358 --> 01:02:32,639
that's the great thing about Canada is

1844
01:02:30,880 --> 01:02:36,079
like you can come you know Muslims and

1845
01:02:32,639 --> 01:02:38,480
Jews, Christians uh and uh uh sorry um

1846
01:02:36,079 --> 01:02:40,559
Protestants and Catholics uh Hindus and

1847
01:02:38,480 --> 01:02:42,079
Sikhs they come to Canada and they just

1848
01:02:40,559 --> 01:02:44,880
get along. They live on the same streets

1849
01:02:42,079 --> 01:02:46,318
eventually. We all start intermaring and

1850
01:02:44,880 --> 01:02:46,880
uh it's a it's a great thing about

1851
01:02:46,318 --> 01:02:49,119
Canada.

1852
01:02:46,880 --> 01:02:49,680
>> Well, it really is a great melting pot,

1853
01:02:49,119 --> 01:02:51,440
you know.

1854
01:02:49,679 --> 01:02:54,078
>> Yeah. And and like folks get to keep

1855
01:02:51,440 --> 01:02:56,720
their their cultures like uh at the same

1856
01:02:54,079 --> 01:02:58,798
time as uh blending into the Canadian

1857
01:02:56,719 --> 01:03:01,519
identity. Like my wife my wife's from

1858
01:02:58,798 --> 01:03:03,679
Venezuela and uh so like you know

1859
01:03:01,519 --> 01:03:05,599
oftentimes I like I'm I'm in the house

1860
01:03:03,679 --> 01:03:06,960
and there's like 16 Latinos and they're

1861
01:03:05,599 --> 01:03:09,838
all speaking Spanish. I have no idea

1862
01:03:06,960 --> 01:03:11,440
what the hell's going on and uh they

1863
01:03:09,838 --> 01:03:12,880
have this food. It's called a jackass.

1864
01:03:11,440 --> 01:03:14,639
And I said you know when they start

1865
01:03:12,880 --> 01:03:16,720
start cooking this stuff I thought my I

1866
01:03:14,639 --> 01:03:19,038
said to my wife did did your mom just

1867
01:03:16,719 --> 01:03:20,399
call me a a jackass? Um cuz that's what

1868
01:03:19,039 --> 01:03:22,240
it sounded like.

1869
01:03:20,400 --> 01:03:23,039
>> I don't speak any Spanish but uh

1870
01:03:22,239 --> 01:03:23,679
>> you should probably learn.

1871
01:03:23,039 --> 01:03:24,880
>> I should now.

1872
01:03:23,679 --> 01:03:27,440
>> They're yapping in your house. It's a

1873
01:03:24,880 --> 01:03:28,640
great It's a great uh My kids are

1874
01:03:27,440 --> 01:03:29,679
starting to learn Spanish, so I'm going

1875
01:03:28,639 --> 01:03:30,798
to be outnumbered.

1876
01:03:29,679 --> 01:03:31,279
>> Yeah, you better learn it.

1877
01:03:30,798 --> 01:03:32,000
>> Yeah.

1878
01:03:31,280 --> 01:03:32,720
>> Yeah.

1879
01:03:32,000 --> 01:03:37,440
>> But

1880
01:03:32,719 --> 01:03:40,959
>> um so what else is uh an an issue in

1881
01:03:37,440 --> 01:03:43,599
Canada that you would like to fix?

1882
01:03:40,960 --> 01:03:45,119
>> Talk to me those napkins. I got a I got

1883
01:03:43,599 --> 01:03:46,720
an allergy I'm dealing with.

1884
01:03:45,119 --> 01:03:50,640
>> We we got to toughen up our justice

1885
01:03:46,719 --> 01:03:51,199
system. Um it it got way too soft.

1886
01:03:50,639 --> 01:03:52,798
And uh

1887
01:03:51,199 --> 01:03:55,679
>> What's wrong with your justice system?

1888
01:03:52,798 --> 01:03:57,119
>> Basically bail. Um I I mean we all

1889
01:03:55,679 --> 01:03:58,639
believe in the basic principle that

1890
01:03:57,119 --> 01:04:01,280
you're innocent till approve pro proven

1891
01:03:58,639 --> 01:04:03,679
guilty. But if someone's convicted has

1892
01:04:01,280 --> 01:04:05,280
have like 150 prior convictions and

1893
01:04:03,679 --> 01:04:05,838
they're newly arrested on their latest

1894
01:04:05,280 --> 01:04:06,319
crime.

1895
01:04:05,838 --> 01:04:08,000
>> Yeah.

1896
01:04:06,318 --> 01:04:10,719
>> I don't think we should be releasing

1897
01:04:08,000 --> 01:04:13,199
them onto the streets. And uh so we got

1898
01:04:10,719 --> 01:04:15,598
two lakhs on bail. So there's now a

1899
01:04:13,199 --> 01:04:18,239
consensus in Canada that you should have

1900
01:04:15,599 --> 01:04:19,760
severe restrictions on repeat offenders.

1901
01:04:18,239 --> 01:04:23,038
Like in Vancouver, they had to arrest

1902
01:04:19,760 --> 01:04:26,960
the same 40 guys 6,000 times in one

1903
01:04:23,039 --> 01:04:29,119
year. 40 guys, 6,000 arrests. So,

1904
01:04:26,960 --> 01:04:31,679
they're basically being released within

1905
01:04:29,119 --> 01:04:33,920
hours of their latest arrest. So, we're

1906
01:04:31,679 --> 01:04:36,960
we're we now built a bipartisan

1907
01:04:33,920 --> 01:04:38,720
multipartisan consensus to fix that. And

1908
01:04:36,960 --> 01:04:42,639
uh we're pushing to toughen the bail

1909
01:04:38,719 --> 01:04:44,239
system um and ensure that it's the

1910
01:04:42,639 --> 01:04:46,000
repeat offenders. It's a tiny group. We

1911
01:04:44,239 --> 01:04:47,679
don't have a lot of criminals in Canada,

1912
01:04:46,000 --> 01:04:48,960
but they do a tremendous amount of

1913
01:04:47,679 --> 01:04:51,199
crime. So, if you take them off the

1914
01:04:48,960 --> 01:04:52,880
street, you put them in prison, you can

1915
01:04:51,199 --> 01:04:53,598
basically reduce the crime rate

1916
01:04:52,880 --> 01:04:55,920
dramatically.

1917
01:04:53,599 --> 01:04:57,920
>> Well, we probably have more crime

1918
01:04:55,920 --> 01:04:59,280
percentage-wise in America, but it's

1919
01:04:57,920 --> 01:05:01,119
still a small percentage of the

1920
01:04:59,280 --> 01:05:02,720
population that commits the crime. But

1921
01:05:01,119 --> 01:05:04,880
it's the same issue. Like in New York

1922
01:05:02,719 --> 01:05:06,959
City, it's extraordinary the amount of

1923
01:05:04,880 --> 01:05:08,880
people that are repeat offenders. Yeah.

1924
01:05:06,960 --> 01:05:11,039
>> And they just let them go. In

1925
01:05:08,880 --> 01:05:13,760
California, no cash bail, let them go.

1926
01:05:11,039 --> 01:05:15,039
It's like it is bananas. And it doesn't

1927
01:05:13,760 --> 01:05:17,280
make any sense and it doesn't make

1928
01:05:15,039 --> 01:05:19,280
anybody help. I understand you want to

1929
01:05:17,280 --> 01:05:20,960
be empathetic and I understand these

1930
01:05:19,280 --> 01:05:23,119
narratives that the prison system is

1931
01:05:20,960 --> 01:05:25,599
racist and the justice system is racist

1932
01:05:23,119 --> 01:05:27,680
and these people never been given a a

1933
01:05:25,599 --> 01:05:30,640
great shake in life. Well, if you want

1934
01:05:27,679 --> 01:05:32,159
to fix that, start in these impoverished

1935
01:05:30,639 --> 01:05:34,798
neighborhoods, establish community

1936
01:05:32,159 --> 01:05:37,519
centers, establish better education,

1937
01:05:34,798 --> 01:05:40,960
fund that, but don't let hardened

1938
01:05:37,519 --> 01:05:43,038
criminals back on the street when they

1939
01:05:40,960 --> 01:05:45,599
>> they're habitual. They've been if you've

1940
01:05:43,039 --> 01:05:47,359
been arrested 40, 50 times, it doesn't

1941
01:05:45,599 --> 01:05:49,838
seem like you're getting any better. So,

1942
01:05:47,358 --> 01:05:52,000
whatever rehabilitation process they

1943
01:05:49,838 --> 01:05:53,679
have going on there, that's not working.

1944
01:05:52,000 --> 01:05:56,239
So, keep doing the same thing over and

1945
01:05:53,679 --> 01:05:58,000
over again. Unless you like crime, I

1946
01:05:56,239 --> 01:06:00,000
don't understand why you would do that.

1947
01:05:58,000 --> 01:06:01,838
>> This has been, you know, it's imposed by

1948
01:06:00,000 --> 01:06:03,039
these so-called experts. They tell, oh,

1949
01:06:01,838 --> 01:06:05,599
we've done all these studies that show

1950
01:06:03,039 --> 01:06:07,280
that the soft on crime policies work,

1951
01:06:05,599 --> 01:06:09,280
but everywhere it been, it's been tried,

1952
01:06:07,280 --> 01:06:11,519
it's been an absolute disaster anywhere

1953
01:06:09,280 --> 01:06:14,480
in the Western world. We have a town

1954
01:06:11,519 --> 01:06:16,318
called Pentictton. There's one guy who

1955
01:06:14,480 --> 01:06:18,719
the police can tell by looking at the

1956
01:06:16,318 --> 01:06:21,440
the crime rate whether he's been in jail

1957
01:06:18,719 --> 01:06:24,239
or not. He comes out of jail. The crime

1958
01:06:21,440 --> 01:06:24,880
rate for the entire town of actually

1959
01:06:24,239 --> 01:06:26,159
goes up.

1960
01:06:24,880 --> 01:06:27,680
>> That's so crazy.

1961
01:06:26,159 --> 01:06:30,239
>> But you just keep him in prison though.

1962
01:06:27,679 --> 01:06:31,759
>> That seems so simple to solve. It's like

1963
01:06:30,239 --> 01:06:33,519
there's so many of these problems with

1964
01:06:31,760 --> 01:06:36,240
government that it's just like rational

1965
01:06:33,519 --> 01:06:37,759
thinking is one of one of the great

1966
01:06:36,239 --> 01:06:39,838
interviews that I loved about you. you

1967
01:06:37,760 --> 01:06:41,039
were eating an apple and you were

1968
01:06:39,838 --> 01:06:42,159
talking to this guy who was being

1969
01:06:41,039 --> 01:06:44,559
completely ridiculous and you were

1970
01:06:42,159 --> 01:06:46,159
asking him to define what the the issues

1971
01:06:44,559 --> 01:06:47,359
that he had and it was so funny. It was

1972
01:06:46,159 --> 01:06:49,358
like this is what happens when a

1973
01:06:47,358 --> 01:06:51,519
rational person meets a person with

1974
01:06:49,358 --> 01:06:52,558
empty narratives. It was such a weird

1975
01:06:51,519 --> 01:06:54,000
moment because

1976
01:06:52,559 --> 01:06:56,000
>> you just kept eating that apple.

1977
01:06:54,000 --> 01:06:58,480
>> It was such a It was such a good apple.

1978
01:06:56,000 --> 01:07:00,159
It was so good. That's the thing. And

1979
01:06:58,480 --> 01:07:01,838
the thing is I didn't even realize I was

1980
01:07:00,159 --> 01:07:02,399
being taped. I thought it was a print

1981
01:07:01,838 --> 01:07:04,000
interview.

1982
01:07:02,400 --> 01:07:07,039
>> Oh, that's hilarious.

1983
01:07:04,000 --> 01:07:08,880
>> That's why I think I was so relaxed. Uh,

1984
01:07:07,039 --> 01:07:10,079
but so I'm in the most beautiful place

1985
01:07:08,880 --> 01:07:12,160
in the world. If you ever if you haven't

1986
01:07:10,079 --> 01:07:15,119
been to the Okanagan, it's unbelievable.

1987
01:07:12,159 --> 01:07:17,440
Like it's lakes, it's mountains, it's

1988
01:07:15,119 --> 01:07:19,920
nice dry weather and there's orchards

1989
01:07:17,440 --> 01:07:22,240
and vineyards there. Like you'd love it.

1990
01:07:19,920 --> 01:07:23,760
And so I'm in an apple orchard and I'm

1991
01:07:22,239 --> 01:07:25,199
walking around just talking with people

1992
01:07:23,760 --> 01:07:26,720
and my staff says, "This reporter wants

1993
01:07:25,199 --> 01:07:28,239
to do an interview and I'm enjoying the

1994
01:07:26,719 --> 01:07:30,480
apple." He comes up, starts asking

1995
01:07:28,239 --> 01:07:32,078
questions. Nobody who was there thought

1996
01:07:30,480 --> 01:07:33,838
this was a moment. Like we'd thought

1997
01:07:32,079 --> 01:07:35,680
nothing of it. We dumped the whole

1998
01:07:33,838 --> 01:07:37,519
thing. My my staff, unbeknownst to me,

1999
01:07:35,679 --> 01:07:39,279
was recording my whole walk. We dumped

2000
01:07:37,519 --> 01:07:41,920
this 15-minute video on the internet. No

2001
01:07:39,280 --> 01:07:43,760
one noticed it. And like 3 weeks later,

2002
01:07:41,920 --> 01:07:44,880
my phone blows up and people say, "Hey,

2003
01:07:43,760 --> 01:07:46,400
how about that apple?" I'm like, "What

2004
01:07:44,880 --> 01:07:48,480
is he? What are they talking about this

2005
01:07:46,400 --> 01:07:50,400
apple thing?" And then, you know, within

2006
01:07:48,480 --> 01:07:51,920
3 days, everybody's talking to me about

2007
01:07:50,400 --> 01:07:53,440
this damn apple that I had almost

2008
01:07:51,920 --> 01:07:54,559
forgotten about eating.

2009
01:07:53,440 --> 01:07:59,280
>> So, weird things.

2010
01:07:54,559 --> 01:08:02,079
>> That conversation sort of it embodied

2011
01:07:59,280 --> 01:08:04,400
this issue. It really did because you

2012
01:08:02,079 --> 01:08:06,160
have rational thinking and empty

2013
01:08:04,400 --> 01:08:06,639
narratives colliding

2014
01:08:06,159 --> 01:08:08,239
>> right

2015
01:08:06,639 --> 01:08:09,920
>> while you're eating an apple. Like

2016
01:08:08,239 --> 01:08:11,279
you're so casual about it. You're

2017
01:08:09,920 --> 01:08:13,519
actually eating an apple. Which was so

2018
01:08:11,280 --> 01:08:15,839
perfect. I mean, you couldn't if if you

2019
01:08:13,519 --> 01:08:17,520
planned on like if you had a PR team, I

2020
01:08:15,838 --> 01:08:19,838
think you should be eating an apple.

2021
01:08:17,520 --> 01:08:22,319
They'd be like, "Oo, I like it." So he's

2022
01:08:19,838 --> 01:08:22,719
casual. He's eating fruit. It's healthy.

2023
01:08:22,319 --> 01:08:24,960
You know,

2024
01:08:22,719 --> 01:08:26,960
>> it was totally coincidence. Like out of

2025
01:08:24,960 --> 01:08:28,960
nowhere, not planned. And not even

2026
01:08:26,960 --> 01:08:30,719
noticed. Like I said, no one there

2027
01:08:28,960 --> 01:08:32,880
thought this was going to be a moment.

2028
01:08:30,719 --> 01:08:34,719
We just like totally forgot about it.

2029
01:08:32,880 --> 01:08:36,319
>> Well, it made it in America. It was

2030
01:08:34,719 --> 01:08:38,000
viral in America. And we were like, "How

2031
01:08:36,319 --> 01:08:39,039
come that guy's not the prime minister?

2032
01:08:38,000 --> 01:08:40,079
What the hell's going on?"

2033
01:08:39,039 --> 01:08:42,158
>> Well, in the meantime, you can buy

2034
01:08:40,079 --> 01:08:44,158
ambrosio apples from uh the South

2035
01:08:42,158 --> 01:08:46,719
Okonagan. I'm really plugging a lot of

2036
01:08:44,158 --> 01:08:49,198
uh sales for the Canadian economy today.

2037
01:08:46,719 --> 01:08:50,960
>> You know what I found out about Canadian

2038
01:08:49,198 --> 01:08:51,519
um maple syrup?

2039
01:08:50,960 --> 01:08:53,920
>> What's that?

2040
01:08:51,520 --> 01:08:56,560
>> It is actually a superfood and it is

2041
01:08:53,920 --> 01:08:57,119
actually better for you than honey. Is

2042
01:08:56,560 --> 01:08:59,279
that right?

2043
01:08:57,119 --> 01:09:02,158
>> Yeah. It contains a bunch of polyphenols

2044
01:08:59,279 --> 01:09:03,920
and a bunch of like healthy nutrients.

2045
01:09:02,158 --> 01:09:05,679
>> I always thought maple syrup was just a

2046
01:09:03,920 --> 01:09:07,119
guilty pleasure you poured on pancakes.

2047
01:09:05,679 --> 01:09:08,158
>> No, it's a totally Canadian thing.

2048
01:09:07,119 --> 01:09:09,679
>> It's really good for you.

2049
01:09:08,158 --> 01:09:12,318
>> So, you take it before your workout?

2050
01:09:09,679 --> 01:09:14,239
>> No. No. I just watched a Instagram video

2051
01:09:12,319 --> 01:09:15,359
yesterday. Somebody sent it to me and I

2052
01:09:14,238 --> 01:09:16,798
was like, "What is this?"

2053
01:09:15,359 --> 01:09:19,440
>> We'll have to send you a bunch of maple

2054
01:09:16,798 --> 01:09:21,519
syrup from Canada. I've had a bunch of

2055
01:09:19,439 --> 01:09:24,399
>> We actually have a maple syrup reserve

2056
01:09:21,520 --> 01:09:26,000
in Canada. Like a reserve of of excess

2057
01:09:24,399 --> 01:09:27,519
stockpiles. like a oil reserve.

2058
01:09:26,000 --> 01:09:28,960
>> Well, we don't have an oil reserve. This

2059
01:09:27,520 --> 01:09:30,640
is something I want to change. I want to

2060
01:09:28,960 --> 01:09:32,399
have an oil reserve, but I also want to

2061
01:09:30,640 --> 01:09:33,838
keep the maple syrup reserve cuz we're

2062
01:09:32,399 --> 01:09:35,039
Canadians after all. There's nothing

2063
01:09:33,838 --> 01:09:36,798
more Canadian than that.

2064
01:09:35,039 --> 01:09:38,319
>> Well, it's so delicious. I can't believe

2065
01:09:36,798 --> 01:09:40,079
it's good for you. Make sure that's

2066
01:09:38,319 --> 01:09:42,159
true.

2067
01:09:40,079 --> 01:09:44,238
>> I mean, in what way is it true?

2068
01:09:42,158 --> 01:09:46,479
>> Uh, are there nutrients? Let's put it

2069
01:09:44,238 --> 01:09:48,000
into perplexity. Our sponsored it. I

2070
01:09:46,479 --> 01:09:49,678
compared it verse honey. I'll give you

2071
01:09:48,000 --> 01:09:51,439
what it showed. That's not saying it's

2072
01:09:49,679 --> 01:09:53,600
like better. Maple syrup and honey are

2073
01:09:51,439 --> 01:09:55,678
both sugary, but maple syrup is slightly

2074
01:09:53,600 --> 01:09:58,159
lower in calories. Glycemic index has

2075
01:09:55,679 --> 01:09:59,840
more minerals like magnes

2076
01:09:58,158 --> 01:10:02,079
maganese

2077
01:09:59,840 --> 01:10:03,600
and calcium. While honey is a bit higher

2078
01:10:02,079 --> 01:10:05,920
in calories, has a slightly stronger

2079
01:10:03,600 --> 01:10:09,280
impact on blood sugar.

2080
01:10:05,920 --> 01:10:11,520
Well, this guy on uh Instagram was very

2081
01:10:09,279 --> 01:10:12,880
convincing. I wish I saved it.

2082
01:10:11,520 --> 01:10:13,360
>> I think it's convincing. I think you

2083
01:10:12,880 --> 01:10:14,400
should go with it.

2084
01:10:13,359 --> 01:10:15,279
>> I'm in it.

2085
01:10:14,399 --> 01:10:16,000
>> I'm done.

2086
01:10:15,279 --> 01:10:16,960
>> Stick with it.

2087
01:10:16,000 --> 01:10:19,039
>> Tastes better, too.

2088
01:10:16,960 --> 01:10:20,239
>> Yeah, it's the best. It's fantastic. Put

2089
01:10:19,039 --> 01:10:21,198
that with a little bit of Greek yogurt.

2090
01:10:20,238 --> 01:10:22,158
You get your protein.

2091
01:10:21,198 --> 01:10:24,238
>> Oh yeah,

2092
01:10:22,158 --> 01:10:26,238
>> that's what I do. Greek yogurt

2093
01:10:24,238 --> 01:10:28,079
>> and maple syrup. Maybe start a trend cuz

2094
01:10:26,238 --> 01:10:30,399
everybody uses honey on their yogurt.

2095
01:10:28,079 --> 01:10:31,840
>> No, maple syrup from Canada. Cuz if it's

2096
01:10:30,399 --> 01:10:33,119
not from Canada, it's not the real deal.

2097
01:10:31,840 --> 01:10:33,840
>> Well, there's a lot of fake syrup,

2098
01:10:33,119 --> 01:10:35,599
right?

2099
01:10:33,840 --> 01:10:37,360
>> There's a lot of junk out there. When

2100
01:10:35,600 --> 01:10:39,199
you go to a pancake house and they have

2101
01:10:37,359 --> 01:10:40,960
that stuff in the little plastic cups,

2102
01:10:39,198 --> 01:10:43,039
that's garbage. Yeah. You don't want to

2103
01:10:40,960 --> 01:10:44,319
have That's manufactured crap.

2104
01:10:43,039 --> 01:10:45,760
>> Well, that's the case with honey as

2105
01:10:44,319 --> 01:10:47,359
well. Oh, I had a woman in here once. It

2106
01:10:45,760 --> 01:10:49,840
was a beekeeper and she was explaining

2107
01:10:47,359 --> 01:10:52,238
to us that a lot of uh honey is not

2108
01:10:49,840 --> 01:10:53,520
actually honey. They water it down with

2109
01:10:52,238 --> 01:10:55,119
uh corn syrup.

2110
01:10:53,520 --> 01:10:55,679
>> There's so much shed in our food these

2111
01:10:55,119 --> 01:10:56,319
days.

2112
01:10:55,679 --> 01:10:58,158
>> Yes.

2113
01:10:56,319 --> 01:11:00,880
>> I I believe in eating clean

2114
01:10:58,158 --> 01:11:03,839
>> 100%. Well, I mean that was one of the

2115
01:11:00,880 --> 01:11:06,560
primary factors uh for me supporting

2116
01:11:03,840 --> 01:11:08,560
this administration was RFK Jr. in this

2117
01:11:06,560 --> 01:11:10,960
make America healthy again initiative

2118
01:11:08,560 --> 01:11:12,960
because I think you know I had my friend

2119
01:11:10,960 --> 01:11:16,239
Brigham Beller yesterday from ways to

2120
01:11:12,960 --> 01:11:18,000
well on and you know we hammered this

2121
01:11:16,238 --> 01:11:20,158
many times over and over again but

2122
01:11:18,000 --> 01:11:22,479
people need to hear it we spend more

2123
01:11:20,158 --> 01:11:24,719
money on healthcare and we're sicker

2124
01:11:22,479 --> 01:11:26,319
than we've ever been before and we have

2125
01:11:24,719 --> 01:11:28,719
more chronic illness and we have more

2126
01:11:26,319 --> 01:11:30,719
money none of it makes any sense it's

2127
01:11:28,719 --> 01:11:32,560
completely ridiculous and it's obvious

2128
01:11:30,719 --> 01:11:35,039
that people are eating the wrong things

2129
01:11:32,560 --> 01:11:36,560
and there was so much outrage of him

2130
01:11:35,039 --> 01:11:38,399
implementing all these healthy choices

2131
01:11:36,560 --> 01:11:41,679
and trying to get rid of dyes that are

2132
01:11:38,399 --> 01:11:45,679
illegal in Canada. Like the same cereals

2133
01:11:41,679 --> 01:11:47,920
that the same factory sells in Canada,

2134
01:11:45,679 --> 01:11:50,079
they sell with natural dyes and in

2135
01:11:47,920 --> 01:11:51,760
America we demand them to be more

2136
01:11:50,079 --> 01:11:52,158
colorful so we put poison in them.

2137
01:11:51,760 --> 01:11:53,039
>> Really?

2138
01:11:52,158 --> 01:11:55,039
>> Yeah.

2139
01:11:53,039 --> 01:11:58,238
>> Is that No, you know what what are the

2140
01:11:55,039 --> 01:12:01,439
uh what do you think are the dietary

2141
01:11:58,238 --> 01:12:03,759
habits that are making people in the

2142
01:12:01,439 --> 01:12:06,238
western world sick right now? Like is it

2143
01:12:03,760 --> 01:12:07,840
the dyes? Is it the sugars? Is it the

2144
01:12:06,238 --> 01:12:08,238
carbs? Like what what's getting people

2145
01:12:07,840 --> 01:12:09,520
in?

2146
01:12:08,238 --> 01:12:12,399
>> There's a lot of things. First of all,

2147
01:12:09,520 --> 01:12:15,360
it's processed foods. Processed foods is

2148
01:12:12,399 --> 01:12:16,719
a an enormous percentage of a lot of

2149
01:12:15,359 --> 01:12:18,079
Americans diets.

2150
01:12:16,719 --> 01:12:21,279
>> Things with massive amounts of

2151
01:12:18,079 --> 01:12:22,719
preservatives in them. And that that's

2152
01:12:21,279 --> 01:12:26,399
like if you want like a general

2153
01:12:22,719 --> 01:12:29,039
guideline, eat real food. Eat real eggs,

2154
01:12:26,399 --> 01:12:30,799
real vegetables, real meat, real fish.

2155
01:12:29,039 --> 01:12:32,319
You'll be healthier. Yeah. As soon as

2156
01:12:30,800 --> 01:12:34,400
you start having things that can sit on

2157
01:12:32,319 --> 01:12:36,799
a shelf forever, except things like rice

2158
01:12:34,399 --> 01:12:38,559
and you know normal beans, like things

2159
01:12:36,800 --> 01:12:39,920
that are dried, that makes sense. They

2160
01:12:38,560 --> 01:12:42,400
could sit there. But if something can

2161
01:12:39,920 --> 01:12:44,480
just sit on a shelf for a long period of

2162
01:12:42,399 --> 01:12:46,799
time and you consume it, how is it just

2163
01:12:44,479 --> 01:12:48,799
not rotting? Like I'm sure you've seen

2164
01:12:46,800 --> 01:12:50,880
where they've taken a McDonald's Big Mac

2165
01:12:48,800 --> 01:12:53,119
and they've just let it sit, take a

2166
01:12:50,880 --> 01:12:54,640
cheeseburger in a box and the guy pulls

2167
01:12:53,119 --> 01:12:56,880
it out like 10 years later. It looks

2168
01:12:54,640 --> 01:12:58,480
exactly the same. That's not food.

2169
01:12:56,880 --> 01:12:59,520
>> The bacteria didn't want to eat it. They

2170
01:12:58,479 --> 01:13:00,238
looked at it and they were like, "I'm

2171
01:12:59,520 --> 01:13:01,840
not eating that."

2172
01:13:00,238 --> 01:13:03,599
>> If bacteria doesn't eat it, if mold

2173
01:13:01,840 --> 01:13:05,119
doesn't eat it, that's crazy. Why are

2174
01:13:03,600 --> 01:13:08,079
you eating it? Like, there's something

2175
01:13:05,119 --> 01:13:10,079
in it preventing the mold from growing.

2176
01:13:08,079 --> 01:13:11,920
What is that? Well, that stuff [ __ ]

2177
01:13:10,079 --> 01:13:15,039
with your gut bacteria. It's it's

2178
01:13:11,920 --> 01:13:17,920
terrible for your body. And empty

2179
01:13:15,039 --> 01:13:19,198
calories. And we we consume an enormous

2180
01:13:17,920 --> 01:13:21,359
amount of processed food in this

2181
01:13:19,198 --> 01:13:23,678
country. And if you want to be a

2182
01:13:21,359 --> 01:13:25,920
healthier person, eat real fruit, eat

2183
01:13:23,679 --> 01:13:29,039
real food, eat real vegetables, eat real

2184
01:13:25,920 --> 01:13:31,760
meat. It's that simple. just that that

2185
01:13:29,039 --> 01:13:34,079
would fix 90% of our problems when it

2186
01:13:31,760 --> 01:13:36,640
comes to people's diets.

2187
01:13:34,079 --> 01:13:38,719
>> And we like when my uh my wife once

2188
01:13:36,640 --> 01:13:40,400
looked at some of the baby formula we

2189
01:13:38,719 --> 01:13:41,840
had and she said she looked on it, she

2190
01:13:40,399 --> 01:13:42,799
said, "There's no expiry date on this.

2191
01:13:41,840 --> 01:13:43,440
This never goes bad."

2192
01:13:42,800 --> 01:13:44,960
>> That's crazy.

2193
01:13:43,439 --> 01:13:45,279
>> That can't be that can't be a good

2194
01:13:44,960 --> 01:13:46,800
thing,

2195
01:13:45,279 --> 01:13:48,000
>> right? Meanwhile, breast milk you have

2196
01:13:46,800 --> 01:13:50,719
to freeze, right?

2197
01:13:48,000 --> 01:13:52,800
>> Exactly. So, uh and then what about on

2198
01:13:50,719 --> 01:13:54,880
the like the fitness side? What do you

2199
01:13:52,800 --> 01:13:56,880
think we can do? I mean, beyond you

2200
01:13:54,880 --> 01:13:58,800
you've done a lot just talking about it

2201
01:13:56,880 --> 01:14:00,480
with your the size of your audience,

2202
01:13:58,800 --> 01:14:02,800
you've probably got a lot of people off

2203
01:14:00,479 --> 01:14:04,718
the couch, but what policies do you

2204
01:14:02,800 --> 01:14:07,039
think we could push that would get

2205
01:14:04,719 --> 01:14:08,000
people physically active, working out,

2206
01:14:07,039 --> 01:14:09,359
moving again?

2207
01:14:08,000 --> 01:14:11,840
>> Well, the real important thing is

2208
01:14:09,359 --> 01:14:14,158
community. The the easiest way to get

2209
01:14:11,840 --> 01:14:15,840
fit is to to get around a bunch of other

2210
01:14:14,158 --> 01:14:17,439
people that are also involved in the

2211
01:14:15,840 --> 01:14:19,360
same endeavor, right? If you have a

2212
01:14:17,439 --> 01:14:21,599
bunch of friends that are unhappy with

2213
01:14:19,359 --> 01:14:24,079
the way their life is, like just go walk

2214
01:14:21,600 --> 01:14:26,400
together. say, "Hey guys, let's all go

2215
01:14:24,079 --> 01:14:28,559
for a walk after dinner together, right?

2216
01:14:26,399 --> 01:14:30,960
Let's all decide like as a neighborhood

2217
01:14:28,560 --> 01:14:32,239
to go walk. Just walk for a half an hour

2218
01:14:30,960 --> 01:14:35,279
after your meals. It'll lower your

2219
01:14:32,238 --> 01:14:36,959
glycemic index. It'll change your body.

2220
01:14:35,279 --> 01:14:37,840
It'll make you healthier. You'll feel

2221
01:14:36,960 --> 01:14:40,480
better.

2222
01:14:37,840 --> 01:14:43,840
>> You know, it it just does so much for

2223
01:14:40,479 --> 01:14:45,359
you, just movement and activity. And if

2224
01:14:43,840 --> 01:14:48,319
you're involved with a group of people

2225
01:14:45,359 --> 01:14:50,079
that are also inclined in the same

2226
01:14:48,319 --> 01:14:51,920
direction, they're also trying to get

2227
01:14:50,079 --> 01:14:54,000
better, trying to get fit, then you kind

2228
01:14:51,920 --> 01:14:56,000
of you're, you know, you feed off of

2229
01:14:54,000 --> 01:14:58,158
your atmosphere. People imitate the

2230
01:14:56,000 --> 01:14:59,359
people that are around them and you get

2231
01:14:58,158 --> 01:15:01,198
support from the people that are around

2232
01:14:59,359 --> 01:15:03,759
them. You know, make it a little healthy

2233
01:15:01,198 --> 01:15:06,000
competition. you know, who can, you

2234
01:15:03,760 --> 01:15:08,159
know, do the most exercise and who can

2235
01:15:06,000 --> 01:15:10,399
do the most, you know, what whatever it

2236
01:15:08,158 --> 01:15:12,479
is, like whether it's a sport or whether

2237
01:15:10,399 --> 01:15:14,399
it's a game or whether it's just

2238
01:15:12,479 --> 01:15:16,238
something that you enjoy doing that's

2239
01:15:14,399 --> 01:15:18,479
physically

2240
01:15:16,238 --> 01:15:20,559
physically taxing slightly. It doesn't

2241
01:15:18,479 --> 01:15:23,119
have to be a crazy kettle bell workout

2242
01:15:20,560 --> 01:15:25,840
or a jiu-jitsu class. Just take a just

2243
01:15:23,119 --> 01:15:28,079
take a walk. just just the if the world

2244
01:15:25,840 --> 01:15:30,400
if the United States or Canada or

2245
01:15:28,079 --> 01:15:32,880
anybody that's got problems with their

2246
01:15:30,399 --> 01:15:34,960
health, just decided to start walking,

2247
01:15:32,880 --> 01:15:35,840
right, every day for 20 minutes, it'll

2248
01:15:34,960 --> 01:15:36,158
change your life.

2249
01:15:35,840 --> 01:15:37,840
>> Absolutely.

2250
01:15:36,158 --> 01:15:40,079
>> And then add things to it. Add some body

2251
01:15:37,840 --> 01:15:42,239
weight squats, add some push-ups, skip a

2252
01:15:40,079 --> 01:15:44,319
little rope, do something, take a yoga

2253
01:15:42,238 --> 01:15:44,879
class. It'll change your life,

2254
01:15:44,319 --> 01:15:45,679
>> right?

2255
01:15:44,880 --> 01:15:47,920
>> Just absolutely.

2256
01:15:45,679 --> 01:15:50,719
>> You need activity. The human body has

2257
01:15:47,920 --> 01:15:52,960
needs. And when it doesn't, those needs

2258
01:15:50,719 --> 01:15:55,119
are not met and you don't your

2259
01:15:52,960 --> 01:15:57,600
biological requirements aren't met, you

2260
01:15:55,119 --> 01:15:59,599
get develop anxiety, you get overweight,

2261
01:15:57,600 --> 01:16:02,079
your your muscles atrophy, your bone

2262
01:15:59,600 --> 01:16:03,920
density decreases, you can't open up a

2263
01:16:02,079 --> 01:16:06,479
jar anymore. There's all these problems

2264
01:16:03,920 --> 01:16:08,399
that can be solved with just simple

2265
01:16:06,479 --> 01:16:10,000
movement and activity. You don't have to

2266
01:16:08,399 --> 01:16:12,399
become a fitness nut. You don't have to

2267
01:16:10,000 --> 01:16:15,359
become a gym rat. You just do something

2268
01:16:12,399 --> 01:16:18,238
and that alone. And then change what you

2269
01:16:15,359 --> 01:16:21,119
eat. Drink more water. Stop drinking

2270
01:16:18,238 --> 01:16:23,439
soda. Stop stop stop drinking so much

2271
01:16:21,119 --> 01:16:26,960
alcohol. You know, stop eating processed

2272
01:16:23,439 --> 01:16:29,198
food. If we just slowly but surely get

2273
01:16:26,960 --> 01:16:30,800
this in people's heads. For the longest

2274
01:16:29,198 --> 01:16:32,399
time, people didn't think there was

2275
01:16:30,800 --> 01:16:33,520
anything wrong with eating processed

2276
01:16:32,399 --> 01:16:35,920
food. They didn't think there was

2277
01:16:33,520 --> 01:16:37,840
anything wrong with they thought sugar

2278
01:16:35,920 --> 01:16:39,199
just gave you extra calories. That's it.

2279
01:16:37,840 --> 01:16:41,440
They didn't realize the catastrophic

2280
01:16:39,198 --> 01:16:43,279
health consequences of consuming all

2281
01:16:41,439 --> 01:16:45,119
this sugar, the increase in type 2

2282
01:16:43,279 --> 01:16:46,880
diabetes, all these problems that are

2283
01:16:45,119 --> 01:16:49,279
people are having that people are having

2284
01:16:46,880 --> 01:16:51,279
because of poor diets and lack of

2285
01:16:49,279 --> 01:16:54,000
>> what's your theory though on how that h

2286
01:16:51,279 --> 01:16:56,559
why did that happen? Why did wh what

2287
01:16:54,000 --> 01:16:59,840
caused millions of people to shift their

2288
01:16:56,560 --> 01:17:01,760
diets away from good wholesome real food

2289
01:16:59,840 --> 01:17:04,239
towards the processed garbage?

2290
01:17:01,760 --> 01:17:07,440
>> Well, first of all, marketing, right? Um

2291
01:17:04,238 --> 01:17:09,279
and availability, right? the the the

2292
01:17:07,439 --> 01:17:11,119
they always say the center of the

2293
01:17:09,279 --> 01:17:12,479
grocery store is what you should avoid

2294
01:17:11,119 --> 01:17:14,158
because the center is all the stuff that

2295
01:17:12,479 --> 01:17:15,519
doesn't need to be refrigerated, right?

2296
01:17:14,158 --> 01:17:16,879
Everything on the outskirts, all the

2297
01:17:15,520 --> 01:17:18,400
vegetables and the fruit and the meats

2298
01:17:16,880 --> 01:17:19,520
and the milk, that's all the stuff

2299
01:17:18,399 --> 01:17:20,960
that's healthy because it has to be

2300
01:17:19,520 --> 01:17:23,040
refrigerated because if it's not, it

2301
01:17:20,960 --> 01:17:25,359
goes bad. Things that can just sit on a

2302
01:17:23,039 --> 01:17:27,119
shelf, but things that sit on a shelf

2303
01:17:25,359 --> 01:17:28,960
forever, those are the things that are

2304
01:17:27,119 --> 01:17:30,319
the easiest to profit from because you

2305
01:17:28,960 --> 01:17:31,279
don't have to worry about storage. you

2306
01:17:30,319 --> 01:17:32,880
don't have to worry about refrigeration

2307
01:17:31,279 --> 01:17:35,198
when you're processing or when you're

2308
01:17:32,880 --> 01:17:38,480
moving them and transporting them. You

2309
01:17:35,198 --> 01:17:40,000
know, just education is the most

2310
01:17:38,479 --> 01:17:41,759
important thing because there's a lot of

2311
01:17:40,000 --> 01:17:43,840
people that don't know how much their

2312
01:17:41,760 --> 01:17:45,440
diet impacts them. And then there's also

2313
01:17:43,840 --> 01:17:48,079
the problems that happen in this country

2314
01:17:45,439 --> 01:17:50,719
where the sugar industry literally bribe

2315
01:17:48,079 --> 01:17:53,359
scientists to pass the blame on

2316
01:17:50,719 --> 01:17:55,359
saturated fat and pretend that this was

2317
01:17:53,359 --> 01:17:57,119
the cause of all these heart issues that

2318
01:17:55,359 --> 01:17:58,880
people were having and all the obesity

2319
01:17:57,119 --> 01:18:01,519
that it was just fat. So then people

2320
01:17:58,880 --> 01:18:04,239
started eating all these seed oil rich

2321
01:18:01,520 --> 01:18:07,520
foods like mayonnaise or excuse me like

2322
01:18:04,238 --> 01:18:08,639
margarine and you know and corn oil and

2323
01:18:07,520 --> 01:18:10,239
canola oil all this

2324
01:18:08,640 --> 01:18:10,880
>> when it's better just to have tallow or

2325
01:18:10,238 --> 01:18:13,359
butter.

2326
01:18:10,880 --> 01:18:14,400
>> Yes. It's like natural food. Your body

2327
01:18:13,359 --> 01:18:16,559
knows what to do with it.

2328
01:18:14,399 --> 01:18:19,119
>> Yeah. And beef is like a superfood. A

2329
01:18:16,560 --> 01:18:20,080
nice fatty piece of beef. Best thing you

2330
01:18:19,119 --> 01:18:20,960
can eat.

2331
01:18:20,079 --> 01:18:23,198
>> It's so good for you.

2332
01:18:20,960 --> 01:18:25,520
>> You got iron, you've got fat, you've got

2333
01:18:23,198 --> 01:18:28,079
protein and creatine. It's all packed

2334
01:18:25,520 --> 01:18:29,280
into that one superfood. It is. And

2335
01:18:28,079 --> 01:18:31,439
people, there's a lot of people that

2336
01:18:29,279 --> 01:18:33,198
live very healthily off a carnivore

2337
01:18:31,439 --> 01:18:35,119
diet. And that astounds people. They

2338
01:18:33,198 --> 01:18:36,960
don't understand it because they've been

2339
01:18:35,119 --> 01:18:38,079
pushed into this idea. Well, one of the

2340
01:18:36,960 --> 01:18:40,079
things they did in America that's great

2341
01:18:38,079 --> 01:18:42,319
is they reversed the food pyramid. Our

2342
01:18:40,079 --> 01:18:44,399
food pyramid was all grains at the

2343
01:18:42,319 --> 01:18:46,319
bottom. Was all wheat and grains, which

2344
01:18:44,399 --> 01:18:48,158
is like there's nothing wrong with

2345
01:18:46,319 --> 01:18:49,599
eating that as long as you're being

2346
01:18:48,158 --> 01:18:52,079
smart about it. You don't eat too much

2347
01:18:49,600 --> 01:18:54,000
of it. But if that's your primary diet,

2348
01:18:52,079 --> 01:18:55,679
like guess what? Your insulin's going to

2349
01:18:54,000 --> 01:18:57,600
spike. You're going to be hungry all the

2350
01:18:55,679 --> 01:18:59,199
time. you're going to get fat. It's just

2351
01:18:57,600 --> 01:19:00,800
not good. It's not good to eat.

2352
01:18:59,198 --> 01:19:03,919
>> When I cut the carbs out and I went

2353
01:19:00,800 --> 01:19:06,640
basically uh into ketosis, um I felt

2354
01:19:03,920 --> 01:19:08,399
great because instead of having all the

2355
01:19:06,640 --> 01:19:09,280
ups and downs when my blood sugar was

2356
01:19:08,399 --> 01:19:12,158
down,

2357
01:19:09,279 --> 01:19:14,158
>> when you're in ketosis, you um you

2358
01:19:12,158 --> 01:19:16,079
basically live off your fat stores. Yes.

2359
01:19:14,158 --> 01:19:17,839
>> You have like a a consistent flow of

2360
01:19:16,079 --> 01:19:20,399
energy whenever you need it because and

2361
01:19:17,840 --> 01:19:22,960
I've obviously I've got some here and

2362
01:19:20,399 --> 01:19:24,399
and so uh I I feel lighter. I I have to

2363
01:19:22,960 --> 01:19:25,840
sleep less now. I don't have to sleep as

2364
01:19:24,399 --> 01:19:27,679
much because I don't I don't eat the big

2365
01:19:25,840 --> 01:19:29,840
heavy carbs any I cheat once in a while,

2366
01:19:27,679 --> 01:19:31,359
but but the big heavy carbs that your

2367
01:19:29,840 --> 01:19:32,880
body breaks down, you gota you got to

2368
01:19:31,359 --> 01:19:34,559
sleep more to work through all those

2369
01:19:32,880 --> 01:19:36,560
heavy carbs. So,

2370
01:19:34,560 --> 01:19:38,560
>> you feel it when you eat them. I love

2371
01:19:36,560 --> 01:19:41,120
carbs, don't get me wrong. Like, I love

2372
01:19:38,560 --> 01:19:43,920
I'm Italian. I love spaghetti. I love

2373
01:19:41,119 --> 01:19:45,840
pizza. I love Italian subs. I love them.

2374
01:19:43,920 --> 01:19:47,920
But I eat them sparingly. And when I eat

2375
01:19:45,840 --> 01:19:49,360
them, I feel it. I feel it. Like, it's

2376
01:19:47,920 --> 01:19:50,880
amazing while you're eating it. And then

2377
01:19:49,359 --> 01:19:52,960
you're like,

2378
01:19:50,880 --> 01:19:54,800
>> you got hit with a tranquilizer dart.

2379
01:19:52,960 --> 01:19:56,480
It's just not good. It's not good for

2380
01:19:54,800 --> 01:19:59,119
you. If I eat a steak, I feel great. If

2381
01:19:56,479 --> 01:20:02,559
I eat a steak, I don't feel

2382
01:19:59,119 --> 01:20:04,880
I don't feel in any way tired after I'm

2383
01:20:02,560 --> 01:20:07,039
done. I don't feel exhausted, like

2384
01:20:04,880 --> 01:20:09,679
completely full. Also, they have a high

2385
01:20:07,039 --> 01:20:11,600
satiety rate. Like, if you eat just

2386
01:20:09,679 --> 01:20:14,000
steak, you're only going to eat what you

2387
01:20:11,600 --> 01:20:16,079
need. Like this, your body knows when to

2388
01:20:14,000 --> 01:20:17,760
stop. But if there's mashed potatoes

2389
01:20:16,079 --> 01:20:19,679
next to this steak and spaghetti next to

2390
01:20:17,760 --> 01:20:20,560
this steak and bread and all these other

2391
01:20:19,679 --> 01:20:23,279
things, you're just going to keep

2392
01:20:20,560 --> 01:20:25,440
eating. and cake and butter and ice or

2393
01:20:23,279 --> 01:20:26,960
not butter, but like cake and ice cream

2394
01:20:25,439 --> 01:20:28,399
and all this other you're going to keep

2395
01:20:26,960 --> 01:20:29,359
eating and you're going to consume

2396
01:20:28,399 --> 01:20:31,519
excess calories.

2397
01:20:29,359 --> 01:20:33,359
>> But beef is really expensive now. Like

2398
01:20:31,520 --> 01:20:35,360
it's really hard to put a steak on your

2399
01:20:33,359 --> 01:20:36,880
plate. Uh these for the average guy,

2400
01:20:35,359 --> 01:20:39,198
it's it's insane. It's twice as

2401
01:20:36,880 --> 01:20:40,880
expensive of pork in Canada right now.

2402
01:20:39,198 --> 01:20:43,039
>> Well, there's also this dumb narrative

2403
01:20:40,880 --> 01:20:45,920
that cows are responsible for climate

2404
01:20:43,039 --> 01:20:48,238
change, which is just absolutely insane.

2405
01:20:45,920 --> 01:20:50,239
And whoever started promoting that needs

2406
01:20:48,238 --> 01:20:51,839
to go to jail cuz it's you've done a

2407
01:20:50,238 --> 01:20:54,158
terrible disservice to people,

2408
01:20:51,840 --> 01:20:56,800
especially regenerative farming. That's,

2409
01:20:54,158 --> 01:20:57,279
you know, actually sequesters carbon.

2410
01:20:56,800 --> 01:20:59,279
>> Absolutely.

2411
01:20:57,279 --> 01:21:01,679
>> And it's it's healthy for you.

2412
01:20:59,279 --> 01:21:03,599
>> No, the the farming the ranchers in my

2413
01:21:01,679 --> 01:21:05,039
area are fantastic. They produce an

2414
01:21:03,600 --> 01:21:06,640
incredible product. We've got the the

2415
01:21:05,039 --> 01:21:09,679
the North America has the smallest

2416
01:21:06,640 --> 01:21:10,400
cattle herd since 1951 this year.

2417
01:21:09,679 --> 01:21:12,000
>> That's nuts.

2418
01:21:10,399 --> 01:21:12,879
>> Very small herd. And that's why it's so

2419
01:21:12,000 --> 01:21:15,679
hard to get beef.

2420
01:21:12,880 --> 01:21:18,000
>> Why is that? What? Um I think uh I think

2421
01:21:15,679 --> 01:21:20,640
there's been a demand spike in the last

2422
01:21:18,000 --> 01:21:22,479
couple of years. Um beef prices were low

2423
01:21:20,640 --> 01:21:23,840
for long. So a lot of ranchers got out

2424
01:21:22,479 --> 01:21:25,519
of it. They just said we can't I can't

2425
01:21:23,840 --> 01:21:27,279
stay in this business losing money every

2426
01:21:25,520 --> 01:21:31,360
year. And then all of a sudden prices

2427
01:21:27,279 --> 01:21:33,840
started to go up and uh and moods have

2428
01:21:31,359 --> 01:21:35,679
changed a lot on beef even in the last 3

2429
01:21:33,840 --> 01:21:38,400
four years. So now they're trying to

2430
01:21:35,679 --> 01:21:40,399
keep up with the demand. But um I'd like

2431
01:21:38,399 --> 01:21:43,119
I'm happy to see the the ranchers doing

2432
01:21:40,399 --> 01:21:45,599
well, but I'd sure like to see middle

2433
01:21:43,119 --> 01:21:48,000
class families to be able to afford to

2434
01:21:45,600 --> 01:21:50,079
have beef again. Um but you know, back

2435
01:21:48,000 --> 01:21:51,840
my theory on one of the reasons why the

2436
01:21:50,079 --> 01:21:54,079
marketing has shifted towards all this

2437
01:21:51,840 --> 01:21:56,719
processed crap, and this goes back to my

2438
01:21:54,079 --> 01:21:59,920
obsession, which is inflation. Because

2439
01:21:56,719 --> 01:22:01,840
what instead of just raising the prices,

2440
01:21:59,920 --> 01:22:04,158
they downgrade the quality of the food.

2441
01:22:01,840 --> 01:22:07,600
They strip out the nutrients and they

2442
01:22:04,158 --> 01:22:10,960
inject garbage into our food. uh the the

2443
01:22:07,600 --> 01:22:13,199
the companies do that is ultimately less

2444
01:22:10,960 --> 01:22:15,198
nutritious, but it the price tag doesn't

2445
01:22:13,198 --> 01:22:17,599
necessarily look like it's changing. So,

2446
01:22:15,198 --> 01:22:20,399
it's one of the more insidious ways that

2447
01:22:17,600 --> 01:22:23,280
the the system is able to charge you to

2448
01:22:20,399 --> 01:22:25,679
to to pass inflationary costs on without

2449
01:22:23,279 --> 01:22:27,279
you seeing it in that the price tag

2450
01:22:25,679 --> 01:22:28,960
that's underneath the product.

2451
01:22:27,279 --> 01:22:31,279
>> They also engineer food to be

2452
01:22:28,960 --> 01:22:33,439
compulsive, like you're more compulsive

2453
01:22:31,279 --> 01:22:35,279
to overeat. Yeah, sure. Especially like

2454
01:22:33,439 --> 01:22:37,599
chips and stuff like that. America,

2455
01:22:35,279 --> 01:22:39,198
>> what country do you think does nutrition

2456
01:22:37,600 --> 01:22:41,600
the best around the world?

2457
01:22:39,198 --> 01:22:43,678
>> Well, that's a good question. Um, well,

2458
01:22:41,600 --> 01:22:46,560
Japan has one of the lowest obesity

2459
01:22:43,679 --> 01:22:48,239
rates, right? And when you look at

2460
01:22:46,560 --> 01:22:50,560
Japanese food, like what is it? It's

2461
01:22:48,238 --> 01:22:53,519
like fish and rice and vegetables and

2462
01:22:50,560 --> 01:22:55,520
it's it's they don't use glyphosate, I

2463
01:22:53,520 --> 01:22:57,199
don't think. I think I think the way

2464
01:22:55,520 --> 01:22:59,760
they process their wheat is very

2465
01:22:57,198 --> 01:23:02,000
different than ours. you know, we have

2466
01:22:59,760 --> 01:23:05,119
uh higher glycem we we have higher

2467
01:23:02,000 --> 01:23:06,639
gluten in our wheat because so like we

2468
01:23:05,119 --> 01:23:09,279
have more complex glutens in our wheat,

2469
01:23:06,639 --> 01:23:10,880
so we have higher yield and then on top

2470
01:23:09,279 --> 01:23:12,559
of that they dry all the wheat out with

2471
01:23:10,880 --> 01:23:13,440
glyphosate at the end which is [ __ ]

2472
01:23:12,560 --> 01:23:13,920
terrible for you.

2473
01:23:13,439 --> 01:23:17,279
>> Interesting.

2474
01:23:13,920 --> 01:23:19,920
>> And they were trying to ban that in

2475
01:23:17,279 --> 01:23:22,719
America, but then Trump passed an

2476
01:23:19,920 --> 01:23:24,158
executive order u stopping it. So this

2477
01:23:22,719 --> 01:23:27,359
is one of the things that Kennedy kind

2478
01:23:24,158 --> 01:23:29,039
of ran on is that he wanted to stop the

2479
01:23:27,359 --> 01:23:29,519
ubiquitous use of glyphosate.

2480
01:23:29,039 --> 01:23:32,399
>> Okay?

2481
01:23:29,520 --> 01:23:35,840
>> And especially glyphosate, you know,

2482
01:23:32,399 --> 01:23:38,960
used with wheat to dry it out. So it's

2483
01:23:35,840 --> 01:23:41,360
not used uh as an herbicide. It's used

2484
01:23:38,960 --> 01:23:42,960
to dry out the wheat at the end so that

2485
01:23:41,359 --> 01:23:45,279
it doesn't get moldy,

2486
01:23:42,960 --> 01:23:49,520
>> which is crazy. You're spraying poison

2487
01:23:45,279 --> 01:23:51,279
on wheat. And most Americans, if you

2488
01:23:49,520 --> 01:23:53,280
test them, have glyphosate in their

2489
01:23:51,279 --> 01:23:54,880
blood, you know, and the apologists will

2490
01:23:53,279 --> 01:23:56,079
say, "Oh, but it's at safe levels."

2491
01:23:54,880 --> 01:23:57,760
Well, we don't even really know what

2492
01:23:56,079 --> 01:24:00,479
that means. You We're talking about

2493
01:23:57,760 --> 01:24:02,800
decades and decades of of consuming this

2494
01:24:00,479 --> 01:24:05,359
stuff. That can't be good. I mean, it

2495
01:24:02,800 --> 01:24:08,159
literally kills plants. It it destroys

2496
01:24:05,359 --> 01:24:10,000
gut bacteria. It can't be good. It would

2497
01:24:08,158 --> 01:24:12,719
would be better. When you eat overseas,

2498
01:24:10,000 --> 01:24:15,279
like if I eat pasta or bread in in

2499
01:24:12,719 --> 01:24:16,880
Italy, it you feel better. It doesn't

2500
01:24:15,279 --> 01:24:19,039
kill you like it does in America. It

2501
01:24:16,880 --> 01:24:19,840
doesn't like you don't get that same

2502
01:24:19,039 --> 01:24:21,198
feeling.

2503
01:24:19,840 --> 01:24:23,920
>> Interesting. I didn't know I don't know

2504
01:24:21,198 --> 01:24:24,399
anything about glyphosate, but um one of

2505
01:24:23,920 --> 01:24:26,239
the things I

2506
01:24:24,399 --> 01:24:28,638
>> Do you guys use glyphosate in Canada?

2507
01:24:26,238 --> 01:24:29,919
>> I don't know anything about it. I I feel

2508
01:24:28,639 --> 01:24:31,279
bad saying that, but I should do my

2509
01:24:29,920 --> 01:24:32,960
homework on that one. I

2510
01:24:31,279 --> 01:24:34,800
>> We have corn that's engineered to

2511
01:24:32,960 --> 01:24:37,439
survive glyphosate. We have Roundup

2512
01:24:34,800 --> 01:24:39,760
ready corn. So So that you could spray

2513
01:24:37,439 --> 01:24:41,119
glyphosate on the corn that kills all

2514
01:24:39,760 --> 01:24:41,760
the other things that you don't want

2515
01:24:41,119 --> 01:24:44,719
growing.

2516
01:24:41,760 --> 01:24:48,400
>> Okay. But how is that how can that be

2517
01:24:44,719 --> 01:24:52,158
good? Like most like they they did a

2518
01:24:48,399 --> 01:24:54,638
test of uh California wines and what was

2519
01:24:52,158 --> 01:24:57,279
the number? It was like some

2520
01:24:54,639 --> 01:24:59,600
preposterous number of California wines

2521
01:24:57,279 --> 01:25:01,119
tested positive for glyphosate.

2522
01:24:59,600 --> 01:25:01,679
>> In the high 90s, I think.

2523
01:25:01,119 --> 01:25:03,279
>> Okay.

2524
01:25:01,679 --> 01:25:04,319
>> Which is just nuts.

2525
01:25:03,279 --> 01:25:06,960
>> Yeah. I don't know anything about

2526
01:25:04,319 --> 01:25:09,039
glyphosate. I have to admit my research.

2527
01:25:06,960 --> 01:25:13,520
You've piqued my curiosity. The problem

2528
01:25:09,039 --> 01:25:15,600
is in America, our food system is

2529
01:25:13,520 --> 01:25:17,199
entirely dependent on it at this point.

2530
01:25:15,600 --> 01:25:18,800
You know, they want to change it. And so

2531
01:25:17,198 --> 01:25:21,039
there's a lot of strategies. One of them

2532
01:25:18,800 --> 01:25:24,400
is there they they have these machines

2533
01:25:21,039 --> 01:25:26,399
that use lasers. And these lasers go

2534
01:25:24,399 --> 01:25:28,799
over a field and actually target the

2535
01:25:26,399 --> 01:25:31,119
weeds. So instead of spraying poison on

2536
01:25:28,800 --> 01:25:32,480
them, they just zap these weeds and they

2537
01:25:31,119 --> 01:25:33,279
can identify the difference between the

2538
01:25:32,479 --> 01:25:33,678
weed and the crop.

2539
01:25:33,279 --> 01:25:34,079
>> Really?

2540
01:25:33,679 --> 01:25:35,199
>> Yeah.

2541
01:25:34,079 --> 01:25:37,198
>> That's incredible.

2542
01:25:35,198 --> 01:25:37,839
>> Yeah. The wine was 10 out of 10 tested,

2543
01:25:37,198 --> 01:25:38,719
but this

2544
01:25:37,840 --> 01:25:40,400
>> 10 out of 10.

2545
01:25:38,719 --> 01:25:41,920
>> I was looking at the Japanese obesity

2546
01:25:40,399 --> 01:25:45,119
thing. They have an interesting law that

2547
01:25:41,920 --> 01:25:46,719
they put in place in 2008 where I

2548
01:25:45,119 --> 01:25:50,319
believe it says workplaces have to

2549
01:25:46,719 --> 01:25:52,800
measure people's waists of adults over

2550
01:25:50,319 --> 01:25:53,679
40 to find out if they're potentially

2551
01:25:52,800 --> 01:25:54,159
overweight.

2552
01:25:53,679 --> 01:25:55,520
>> Wow.

2553
01:25:54,158 --> 01:25:57,039
>> Those people don't get fined. The

2554
01:25:55,520 --> 01:25:58,560
companies get fined. So, they have to

2555
01:25:57,039 --> 01:26:01,439
then provide them counseling, diet

2556
01:25:58,560 --> 01:26:01,920
advice, exercise guidance, etc.

2557
01:26:01,439 --> 01:26:04,158
>> Wow.

2558
01:26:01,920 --> 01:26:06,880
>> And they also use a lower BMI than we

2559
01:26:04,158 --> 01:26:09,519
do. There theirs starts at 25. It says

2560
01:26:06,880 --> 01:26:12,480
it's because they have a higher risk in

2561
01:26:09,520 --> 01:26:13,760
Asian populations for

2562
01:26:12,479 --> 01:26:16,879
uh obesity.

2563
01:26:13,760 --> 01:26:18,639
>> Interesting. I wonder why that is.

2564
01:26:16,880 --> 01:26:19,520
>> I wonder if that's because of a lot of

2565
01:26:18,639 --> 01:26:24,000
rice consumption.

2566
01:26:19,520 --> 01:26:26,800
>> Way lower. 46 4 to 6% compared to 42%.

2567
01:26:24,000 --> 01:26:31,198
>> Wow, that's crazy. Their obesity rates

2568
01:26:26,800 --> 01:26:34,639
are 4 to 6%. And we're 42.

2569
01:26:31,198 --> 01:26:36,000
42 is nuts. 42 is so crazy.

2570
01:26:34,639 --> 01:26:38,639
>> Try to find out what the Japanese are

2571
01:26:36,000 --> 01:26:40,560
doing. My next stop has got to be Tokyo.

2572
01:26:38,639 --> 01:26:42,159
>> Yeah. Well, they eat healthy food, you

2573
01:26:40,560 --> 01:26:43,440
know, and and that but that does make

2574
01:26:42,158 --> 01:26:45,279
sense. I mean, implementing something

2575
01:26:43,439 --> 01:26:47,119
like that, it sounds very restrictive,

2576
01:26:45,279 --> 01:26:49,599
you know? I mean, I don't want to tell a

2577
01:26:47,119 --> 01:26:50,960
guy he can't have a gut. Like, I I have

2578
01:26:49,600 --> 01:26:52,800
a lot of friends that are fat and I love

2579
01:26:50,960 --> 01:26:56,079
them to death. I'd like them to be

2580
01:26:52,800 --> 01:26:57,920
healthy, but I wouldn't, you know, I

2581
01:26:56,079 --> 01:27:00,399
don't believe you should have that kind

2582
01:26:57,920 --> 01:27:02,079
of control over people. I think you

2583
01:27:00,399 --> 01:27:03,359
should encourage healthy behavior. I

2584
01:27:02,079 --> 01:27:05,039
don't think you should mandate it.

2585
01:27:03,359 --> 01:27:07,359
>> Yeah, we need we need carrots, not

2586
01:27:05,039 --> 01:27:08,399
sticks. Carrots literally.

2587
01:27:07,359 --> 01:27:11,599
>> Literally.

2588
01:27:08,399 --> 01:27:13,599
>> But the the system is like um you know,

2589
01:27:11,600 --> 01:27:14,800
I think of the opioid thing. That's an

2590
01:27:13,600 --> 01:27:16,480
incredible story. Really?

2591
01:27:14,800 --> 01:27:18,159
>> That's a horrible story. That's a

2592
01:27:16,479 --> 01:27:20,879
horrible story. And you know, the fact

2593
01:27:18,158 --> 01:27:24,000
that no one's going to jail for that is

2594
01:27:20,880 --> 01:27:27,679
infuriating. what they did and what the

2595
01:27:24,000 --> 01:27:29,760
the deception that they use to pretend

2596
01:27:27,679 --> 01:27:32,158
that that stuff is not addictive, that

2597
01:27:29,760 --> 01:27:34,320
it's not the same as heroin is just

2598
01:27:32,158 --> 01:27:36,238
absolutely atrocious. And the fact that

2599
01:27:34,319 --> 01:27:38,479
they got away with it and that the

2600
01:27:36,238 --> 01:27:40,079
Sackler family, just that one family, I

2601
01:27:38,479 --> 01:27:42,000
don't know if you ever seen the Netflix

2602
01:27:40,079 --> 01:27:44,238
docky drama series. Yeah.

2603
01:27:42,000 --> 01:27:45,600
>> Painkiller or what was it? Was it called

2604
01:27:44,238 --> 01:27:48,000
Painkiller?

2605
01:27:45,600 --> 01:27:49,920
>> They're the guys from Purdue, right?

2606
01:27:48,000 --> 01:27:52,238
>> Purdue Pharma. I think they were Purdue

2607
01:27:49,920 --> 01:27:54,880
Pharma if I'm not mistaken. I mean, how

2608
01:27:52,238 --> 01:27:58,718
many lives were destroyed by that?

2609
01:27:54,880 --> 01:28:00,079
>> Well, a half a million ended in the US.

2610
01:27:58,719 --> 01:28:02,800
>> Yeah. At least

2611
01:28:00,079 --> 01:28:05,039
>> 50,000 in Canada. We lo we lost more

2612
01:28:02,800 --> 01:28:07,360
people in the last 10 years to opioid

2613
01:28:05,039 --> 01:28:08,800
overdoses than we lost fighting in the

2614
01:28:07,359 --> 01:28:11,519
Second World War.

2615
01:28:08,800 --> 01:28:13,440
>> And God, that's so crazy. And we, you

2616
01:28:11,520 --> 01:28:16,480
know, these companies, I mean, it

2617
01:28:13,439 --> 01:28:18,399
started in the states with Purdue and uh

2618
01:28:16,479 --> 01:28:21,039
a number of others where they basically

2619
01:28:18,399 --> 01:28:23,198
started lying to the system and paying

2620
01:28:21,039 --> 01:28:25,439
they actually paid bonuses to

2621
01:28:23,198 --> 01:28:28,719
distributors for every overdose they

2622
01:28:25,439 --> 01:28:31,198
caused. They tracked the overdoses and

2623
01:28:28,719 --> 01:28:32,800
then paid bonuses to distributors

2624
01:28:31,198 --> 01:28:35,839
because that was an indicator of how

2625
01:28:32,800 --> 01:28:38,400
successfully they were pushing the drugs

2626
01:28:35,840 --> 01:28:40,159
onto doctors and pharmacists and the

2627
01:28:38,399 --> 01:28:41,599
system. This all came all came out in

2628
01:28:40,158 --> 01:28:42,799
the in the court uh because there was a

2629
01:28:41,600 --> 01:28:44,719
huge lawsuit

2630
01:28:42,800 --> 01:28:47,119
>> and they the companies had to pay $50

2631
01:28:44,719 --> 01:28:49,119
billion because of an American

2632
01:28:47,119 --> 01:28:51,359
government lawsuit against them, but

2633
01:28:49,119 --> 01:28:52,399
they actually paid bonuses for overdose

2634
01:28:51,359 --> 01:28:52,960
rates.

2635
01:28:52,399 --> 01:28:54,319
>> That's true.

2636
01:28:52,960 --> 01:28:56,800
>> That's insane.

2637
01:28:54,319 --> 01:28:58,880
>> It's wild. And they they basically they

2638
01:28:56,800 --> 01:29:01,360
were very very strategic. They said,

2639
01:28:58,880 --> 01:29:03,039
"We're going to go to workingclass

2640
01:29:01,359 --> 01:29:04,639
neighborhoods where there's huge

2641
01:29:03,039 --> 01:29:07,119
unemployment." So, you know, in the rust

2642
01:29:04,639 --> 01:29:09,440
belt of America where people were out of

2643
01:29:07,119 --> 01:29:11,599
work and they obviously had some minor

2644
01:29:09,439 --> 01:29:13,279
industrial injuries and said, you know,

2645
01:29:11,600 --> 01:29:16,159
this will solve every ache and pain.

2646
01:29:13,279 --> 01:29:17,679
Take Oxycontton. And it felt great when

2647
01:29:16,158 --> 01:29:20,238
they first started taking it. And then

2648
01:29:17,679 --> 01:29:22,399
it spread into Canada as well. And then

2649
01:29:20,238 --> 01:29:24,638
it mutated in from Oxycontton into

2650
01:29:22,399 --> 01:29:27,920
fentinyl, which is 100 times more

2651
01:29:24,639 --> 01:29:30,400
powerful than heroin. It can stop your

2652
01:29:27,920 --> 01:29:33,760
your lungs in 15 seconds. Just

2653
01:29:30,399 --> 01:29:35,599
absolutely deadly. And uh we you know

2654
01:29:33,760 --> 01:29:38,239
these companies these dirt bag companies

2655
01:29:35,600 --> 01:29:40,239
should be paying uh hundreds of billions

2656
01:29:38,238 --> 01:29:42,638
of dollars to cover the treatment and

2657
01:29:40,238 --> 01:29:43,678
recovery of the people whose lives have

2658
01:29:42,639 --> 01:29:46,159
been ruined by this.

2659
01:29:43,679 --> 01:29:48,880
>> Well, it's just insane that they only

2660
01:29:46,158 --> 01:29:50,879
had to pay a percentage of the amount of

2661
01:29:48,880 --> 01:29:51,119
money that they profited.

2662
01:29:50,880 --> 01:29:52,800
>> And

2663
01:29:51,119 --> 01:29:53,279
>> it is insane. They should have gone to

2664
01:29:52,800 --> 01:29:54,159
jail.

2665
01:29:53,279 --> 01:29:55,599
>> They should have gone to jail. They

2666
01:29:54,158 --> 01:29:56,879
should have had to pay first of all give

2667
01:29:55,600 --> 01:29:57,440
all the money back.

2668
01:29:56,880 --> 01:30:00,480
>> Yeah.

2669
01:29:57,439 --> 01:30:01,839
>> I mean what you did was unbelievably

2670
01:30:00,479 --> 01:30:03,678
evil. Absolutely.

2671
01:30:01,840 --> 01:30:05,199
>> And you were allowed to profit from it,

2672
01:30:03,679 --> 01:30:06,960
which is crazy.

2673
01:30:05,198 --> 01:30:10,000
>> Even the Sackler family, the amount that

2674
01:30:06,960 --> 01:30:11,119
they got fined was a small percentage of

2675
01:30:10,000 --> 01:30:12,000
what they actually made.

2676
01:30:11,119 --> 01:30:13,359
>> I don't know how people live with

2677
01:30:12,000 --> 01:30:15,198
themselves when they do that.

2678
01:30:13,359 --> 01:30:16,880
>> They're sociopaths. They have to be.

2679
01:30:15,198 --> 01:30:19,119
>> They basically got into the entire

2680
01:30:16,880 --> 01:30:21,520
system, the health care system, the

2681
01:30:19,119 --> 01:30:24,399
medical accum community, and they pushed

2682
01:30:21,520 --> 01:30:26,159
these over prescriptions. Um, and then

2683
01:30:24,399 --> 01:30:28,238
they got this crazy idea that they

2684
01:30:26,158 --> 01:30:30,559
pushed in places like Portland and

2685
01:30:28,238 --> 01:30:31,839
Seattle and San Francisco that the

2686
01:30:30,560 --> 01:30:33,760
government should start giving out

2687
01:30:31,840 --> 01:30:35,440
opioids that are safer than the ones

2688
01:30:33,760 --> 01:30:37,840
that are on the street as an alternative

2689
01:30:35,439 --> 01:30:40,399
to keep people from having contaminated

2690
01:30:37,840 --> 01:30:42,639
drugs, which made the problem even worse

2691
01:30:40,399 --> 01:30:44,638
because those the the addicts would sell

2692
01:30:42,639 --> 01:30:46,800
those to kids so that they could buy the

2693
01:30:44,639 --> 01:30:50,079
harder stuff off the street and it

2694
01:30:46,800 --> 01:30:51,920
expanded it even more. And um so one of

2695
01:30:50,079 --> 01:30:54,000
the things we're focused on in my plan

2696
01:30:51,920 --> 01:30:56,480
is is massive treatment and recovery

2697
01:30:54,000 --> 01:30:57,920
programs to get people off drugs.

2698
01:30:56,479 --> 01:31:00,799
Abstinence-based treatment is

2699
01:30:57,920 --> 01:31:02,880
incredible. It gets very successful and

2700
01:31:00,800 --> 01:31:04,639
uh we're saving lives now in Canada. You

2701
01:31:02,880 --> 01:31:07,359
get them in, you get them counseling,

2702
01:31:04,639 --> 01:31:10,239
group therapy treatment, uh sweat lodges

2703
01:31:07,359 --> 01:31:12,960
for First Nations, uh people's um

2704
01:31:10,238 --> 01:31:14,399
physical exercise is a big part of it. I

2705
01:31:12,960 --> 01:31:15,840
went to one treatment center in

2706
01:31:14,399 --> 01:31:17,759
Saskatchewan and they actually bought

2707
01:31:15,840 --> 01:31:19,119
these rusted out weights and they had

2708
01:31:17,760 --> 01:31:20,480
they had the guys like lifting weights

2709
01:31:19,119 --> 01:31:21,519
and the bureaucrats are saying, "Well,

2710
01:31:20,479 --> 01:31:22,479
why are you spending my money on

2711
01:31:21,520 --> 01:31:23,679
weights? What does that have to do with

2712
01:31:22,479 --> 01:31:25,359
it?" He says, "What's then the best

2713
01:31:23,679 --> 01:31:27,440
thing we had?" These guys started to see

2714
01:31:25,359 --> 01:31:28,719
their biceps grow and they're like, "I

2715
01:31:27,439 --> 01:31:30,079
want to look like this and if I take

2716
01:31:28,719 --> 01:31:31,279
drugs, I'm not going to look like this."

2717
01:31:30,079 --> 01:31:33,600
So, it was one of the the best things

2718
01:31:31,279 --> 01:31:36,000
they did. Um, then you get them into

2719
01:31:33,600 --> 01:31:39,199
jobs and treatment and uh there's one

2720
01:31:36,000 --> 01:31:41,198
guy that uh I met in BC, he he was going

2721
01:31:39,198 --> 01:31:43,839
to kill himself. He drove his car into a

2722
01:31:41,198 --> 01:31:45,839
brick wall because he was so ruined by

2723
01:31:43,840 --> 01:31:48,159
his addiction, but he didn't die. He

2724
01:31:45,840 --> 01:31:49,760
couldn't even pull it off. So, he

2725
01:31:48,158 --> 01:31:51,439
actually went into treatment, turned his

2726
01:31:49,760 --> 01:31:53,600
life around, started a business. He's

2727
01:31:51,439 --> 01:31:55,039
got six employees, and now he's going

2728
01:31:53,600 --> 01:31:56,560
out on the street and like helping, you

2729
01:31:55,039 --> 01:31:58,960
know, pulling guys off the street and

2730
01:31:56,560 --> 01:32:00,719
bringing them in and saving their lives.

2731
01:31:58,960 --> 01:32:02,399
So, uh it's actually a really hopeful

2732
01:32:00,719 --> 01:32:04,079
ending to the story if we can get to

2733
01:32:02,399 --> 01:32:05,679
shift all our resources over to

2734
01:32:04,079 --> 01:32:07,359
treatment and recovery services, which

2735
01:32:05,679 --> 01:32:10,000
is one of my big uh objectives.

2736
01:32:07,359 --> 01:32:12,799
>> Are you aware of Ibagane? No.

2737
01:32:10,000 --> 01:32:15,679
>> So, former Republican governor of Texas

2738
01:32:12,800 --> 01:32:17,920
Rick Perry is involved in this Ibegan

2739
01:32:15,679 --> 01:32:19,600
initiative here in Texas. And one of the

2740
01:32:17,920 --> 01:32:22,079
things that they found, you know, he

2741
01:32:19,600 --> 01:32:23,679
works very closely with veterans and uh,

2742
01:32:22,079 --> 01:32:26,158
you know, obviously a lot of these guys,

2743
01:32:23,679 --> 01:32:29,920
they come back from the war, they have

2744
01:32:26,158 --> 01:32:32,079
PTSD, they have a lot of pain, they get

2745
01:32:29,920 --> 01:32:33,760
addicted to pills, and then they have an

2746
01:32:32,079 --> 01:32:36,880
incredibly difficult time getting off of

2747
01:32:33,760 --> 01:32:39,600
it. And there's a treatment called

2748
01:32:36,880 --> 01:32:42,639
Ibagane. And Ibagane comes from the

2749
01:32:39,600 --> 01:32:46,400
aboga tree. It's uh like a natural

2750
01:32:42,639 --> 01:32:49,279
psychedelic that has no recreational

2751
01:32:46,399 --> 01:32:51,839
use whatsoever. It's not fun and it's

2752
01:32:49,279 --> 01:32:55,039
it's apparently a brutal 24-hour

2753
01:32:51,840 --> 01:32:57,440
experience, but it rewires the brain,

2754
01:32:55,039 --> 01:33:00,960
stops the pathways of addiction. And

2755
01:32:57,439 --> 01:33:04,399
just one I gain treatment, one session,

2756
01:33:00,960 --> 01:33:07,520
the amount of people that never go back

2757
01:33:04,399 --> 01:33:07,839
to using those drugs is in the 80%.

2758
01:33:07,520 --> 01:33:10,000
>> Really?

2759
01:33:07,840 --> 01:33:10,719
>> When they do two sessions, it's in the

2760
01:33:10,000 --> 01:33:11,279
'9s.

2761
01:33:10,719 --> 01:33:12,639
>> Wow.

2762
01:33:11,279 --> 01:33:14,719
>> It's incredible. So, they're

2763
01:33:12,639 --> 01:33:18,319
implementing it here. And Rick Perry,

2764
01:33:14,719 --> 01:33:21,359
who was like a staunch anti-drug

2765
01:33:18,319 --> 01:33:24,719
hardline Republican guy, great guy, but

2766
01:33:21,359 --> 01:33:26,319
realized from talking to these veterans,

2767
01:33:24,719 --> 01:33:28,880
>> maybe you have to have an open mind and

2768
01:33:26,319 --> 01:33:31,759
look at this. We have this blanket term

2769
01:33:28,880 --> 01:33:33,039
that we use for drugs and we say, "Oh, I

2770
01:33:31,760 --> 01:33:35,520
gain a drug. You don't want to take

2771
01:33:33,039 --> 01:33:39,840
drugs." But this psychedelic, this

2772
01:33:35,520 --> 01:33:44,000
Ibagane, apparently it it's like a

2773
01:33:39,840 --> 01:33:47,920
24-hour review of your life that in some

2774
01:33:44,000 --> 01:33:49,840
way, some chemical way, rewires your

2775
01:33:47,920 --> 01:33:50,239
system and stops the pathways of

2776
01:33:49,840 --> 01:33:51,679
addiction.

2777
01:33:50,238 --> 01:33:52,238
>> It's like a factory reset.

2778
01:33:51,679 --> 01:33:52,719
>> Yes.

2779
01:33:52,238 --> 01:33:53,198
>> Wow.

2780
01:33:52,719 --> 01:33:54,079
>> Yes.

2781
01:33:53,198 --> 01:33:55,519
>> That's crazy.

2782
01:33:54,079 --> 01:33:57,359
>> And so they're starting to implement it

2783
01:33:55,520 --> 01:33:57,600
here in Texas and they're going to use

2784
01:33:57,359 --> 01:33:59,119
it.

2785
01:33:57,600 --> 01:34:00,960
>> So they studied this or they've done

2786
01:33:59,119 --> 01:34:02,479
like a And they've done is it approved

2787
01:34:00,960 --> 01:34:04,719
like as a treatment or what? Well, it's

2788
01:34:02,479 --> 01:34:06,559
being approved here in Texas and they're

2789
01:34:04,719 --> 01:34:08,239
trying to do it in other places. And I

2790
01:34:06,560 --> 01:34:10,480
know uh a friend of mine, my friend Ed

2791
01:34:08,238 --> 01:34:12,718
Clay, he started a center down in

2792
01:34:10,479 --> 01:34:14,158
Mexico. And the reason why he did it was

2793
01:34:12,719 --> 01:34:16,079
because he got hooked on pills. He hurt

2794
01:34:14,158 --> 01:34:17,679
his back. He got hooked on pills. He had

2795
01:34:16,079 --> 01:34:20,559
to figure out how to get off of it. And

2796
01:34:17,679 --> 01:34:20,880
he did one ibagane session, got clean

2797
01:34:20,560 --> 01:34:23,520
really

2798
01:34:20,880 --> 01:34:25,440
>> and was like, I need to educate people

2799
01:34:23,520 --> 01:34:26,560
and help people with this. And we start

2800
01:34:25,439 --> 01:34:29,198
this system

2801
01:34:26,560 --> 01:34:31,840
>> and you know, and it's very successful.

2802
01:34:29,198 --> 01:34:34,158
I know multiple people that have done it

2803
01:34:31,840 --> 01:34:36,319
and especially veterans that have done

2804
01:34:34,158 --> 01:34:37,198
it and had profound changes in their

2805
01:34:36,319 --> 01:34:37,840
life because of this.

2806
01:34:37,198 --> 01:34:40,399
>> Amazing.

2807
01:34:37,840 --> 01:34:42,000
>> Yeah. And again, there's no recreational

2808
01:34:40,399 --> 01:34:43,439
use for this. There's no chance of

2809
01:34:42,000 --> 01:34:45,520
abusing it. Okay.

2810
01:34:43,439 --> 01:34:47,359
>> It's not fun. Like to get people to do

2811
01:34:45,520 --> 01:34:49,920
it twice is very hard. Okay.

2812
01:34:47,359 --> 01:34:53,119
>> But even doing it once, but if you do

2813
01:34:49,920 --> 01:34:54,399
it, it's incredibly effective. Much more

2814
01:34:53,119 --> 01:34:54,960
effective than any other form of

2815
01:34:54,399 --> 01:34:55,759
therapy.

2816
01:34:54,960 --> 01:34:57,039
>> Really? Yes.

2817
01:34:55,760 --> 01:34:58,719
>> Okay. Well, I'll have to look out for

2818
01:34:57,039 --> 01:34:59,840
that one cuz we need it. We still have a

2819
01:34:58,719 --> 01:35:02,319
challenge up in Canada.

2820
01:34:59,840 --> 01:35:05,840
>> I can connect you with Rick Perry and

2821
01:35:02,319 --> 01:35:08,639
he's he's him and Brian Hubbert are

2822
01:35:05,840 --> 01:35:10,400
incredible with their the advocacy and

2823
01:35:08,639 --> 01:35:11,600
the the promotion of this what they've

2824
01:35:10,399 --> 01:35:13,119
done is really amazing.

2825
01:35:11,600 --> 01:35:15,520
>> Yeah, we got to we got to get uh get

2826
01:35:13,119 --> 01:35:17,198
people off these drugs and uh you know

2827
01:35:15,520 --> 01:35:19,360
we're we're doing we're making some good

2828
01:35:17,198 --> 01:35:21,919
progress in Canada. Um our biggest

2829
01:35:19,359 --> 01:35:24,639
challenges are are just the long-term

2830
01:35:21,920 --> 01:35:27,520
aftermath of the opioid uh problem like

2831
01:35:24,639 --> 01:35:30,000
you have had down here. But um but like

2832
01:35:27,520 --> 01:35:32,320
I think uh I think we can overcome it

2833
01:35:30,000 --> 01:35:34,000
and uh we have to try some new things in

2834
01:35:32,319 --> 01:35:35,359
order to get people off these things cuz

2835
01:35:34,000 --> 01:35:37,600
they're because it's when you're doing

2836
01:35:35,359 --> 01:35:39,599
fentinol it's it's Russian roulette. It

2837
01:35:37,600 --> 01:35:41,120
could be you might not have more than a

2838
01:35:39,600 --> 01:35:41,840
day to live if you're still taking that

2839
01:35:41,119 --> 01:35:43,039
stuff. So

2840
01:35:41,840 --> 01:35:44,639
>> it's so dangerous.

2841
01:35:43,039 --> 01:35:48,960
>> It's in everything. It's in so many

2842
01:35:44,639 --> 01:35:51,600
different um street versions of pills

2843
01:35:48,960 --> 01:35:54,079
that people think are safe like Xanax.

2844
01:35:51,600 --> 01:35:55,679
There's like illegal Xanax like street

2845
01:35:54,079 --> 01:35:57,198
Xanax and there's fentinyl in them.

2846
01:35:55,679 --> 01:35:58,719
People take it and they die.

2847
01:35:57,198 --> 01:36:00,399
>> Right. Absolutely. I've met so many

2848
01:35:58,719 --> 01:36:01,840
mothers. They just come up to me at my

2849
01:36:00,399 --> 01:36:03,198
rallies and things and they tell me the

2850
01:36:01,840 --> 01:36:04,880
story and they show me a picture and you

2851
01:36:03,198 --> 01:36:07,439
say, "Man, it's a beautiful child. That

2852
01:36:04,880 --> 01:36:09,359
child looks healthy and smart and she

2853
01:36:07,439 --> 01:36:10,719
went to a party and they were handing

2854
01:36:09,359 --> 01:36:12,479
the [ __ ] out." And

2855
01:36:10,719 --> 01:36:15,039
>> there's a high school kid here in town

2856
01:36:12,479 --> 01:36:16,559
that took uh street aderall and it had

2857
01:36:15,039 --> 01:36:17,198
fentinel in it and he died.

2858
01:36:16,560 --> 01:36:18,639
>> Is that right?

2859
01:36:17,198 --> 01:36:20,479
>> Yeah. Somebody sold them what he thought

2860
01:36:18,639 --> 01:36:22,960
was aderall. Look, that's what killed

2861
01:36:20,479 --> 01:36:23,759
Prince. That's what killed Tom Petty.

2862
01:36:22,960 --> 01:36:25,520
>> Aderal.

2863
01:36:23,760 --> 01:36:28,079
>> No. No. Fentinel. Fentinyl.

2864
01:36:25,520 --> 01:36:30,159
>> They got street drugs from someone like

2865
01:36:28,079 --> 01:36:32,158
they're both in pain and they they

2866
01:36:30,158 --> 01:36:34,079
become addicted to the pills and then

2867
01:36:32,158 --> 01:36:34,799
they got like a pill from a roadie.

2868
01:36:34,079 --> 01:36:36,158
>> I didn't know that.

2869
01:36:34,800 --> 01:36:37,840
>> And took it and died.

2870
01:36:36,158 --> 01:36:39,679
>> I didn't know that. Petty, did he sing

2871
01:36:37,840 --> 01:36:40,960
uh Last Dance?

2872
01:36:39,679 --> 01:36:42,319
>> Last Dance for Mary Jane. Yeah.

2873
01:36:40,960 --> 01:36:44,480
>> Right. That's really sad.

2874
01:36:42,319 --> 01:36:46,158
>> Oh, he sung a bunch of amazing songs.

2875
01:36:44,479 --> 01:36:48,399
American Girl. I mean, Tom Petty was a

2876
01:36:46,158 --> 01:36:49,839
legend and died because of fentanyl.

2877
01:36:48,399 --> 01:36:52,559
Prince is one of the great musical

2878
01:36:49,840 --> 01:36:54,000
genius of of human history.

2879
01:36:52,560 --> 01:36:56,400
>> And fentanyl got him too. died from

2880
01:36:54,000 --> 01:36:58,479
fentanyl. He had hip pain. He needed a

2881
01:36:56,399 --> 01:37:00,399
hip replacement. His hip was blown out

2882
01:36:58,479 --> 01:37:01,919
and he was in agony all the time. So, he

2883
01:37:00,399 --> 01:37:03,839
started taking pills and then next thing

2884
01:37:01,920 --> 01:37:05,679
you know, you're hooked.

2885
01:37:03,840 --> 01:37:06,159
>> I've had family members that got hooked

2886
01:37:05,679 --> 01:37:08,239
on it.

2887
01:37:06,158 --> 01:37:10,719
>> Is that right? Did they get through it?

2888
01:37:08,238 --> 01:37:13,039
>> Well, one of them didn't. Yeah. I mean,

2889
01:37:10,719 --> 01:37:15,359
he he hurt his back doing construction

2890
01:37:13,039 --> 01:37:16,079
and started taking pills and now he's a

2891
01:37:15,359 --> 01:37:17,920
waste.

2892
01:37:16,079 --> 01:37:20,079
>> That's the sad thing. That's the sad

2893
01:37:17,920 --> 01:37:22,399
thing is it's they're good people and

2894
01:37:20,079 --> 01:37:24,158
they're not lawbreaking people. Often

2895
01:37:22,399 --> 01:37:26,559
it's folks who work in physically

2896
01:37:24,158 --> 01:37:28,559
demanding jobs, they get an injury

2897
01:37:26,560 --> 01:37:31,440
>> and uh it's easy to judge, but when

2898
01:37:28,560 --> 01:37:34,000
you're in excruciating pain and you find

2899
01:37:31,439 --> 01:37:34,960
something that makes it go away, it's

2900
01:37:34,000 --> 01:37:37,279
understandable.

2901
01:37:34,960 --> 01:37:39,600
>> Also, if you're not educated in these

2902
01:37:37,279 --> 01:37:41,198
subjects and you just trust the doctor,

2903
01:37:39,600 --> 01:37:43,679
you go to a doctor and the doctor says

2904
01:37:41,198 --> 01:37:45,198
you need pain medication and then all of

2905
01:37:43,679 --> 01:37:45,600
a sudden you're on it.

2906
01:37:45,198 --> 01:37:47,279
>> You know,

2907
01:37:45,600 --> 01:37:49,520
>> it's it's easy to see how people get

2908
01:37:47,279 --> 01:37:52,158
locked into that and and then they can't

2909
01:37:49,520 --> 01:37:54,159
break loose. So, The pathway to physical

2910
01:37:52,158 --> 01:37:57,279
addiction is it's so well known and

2911
01:37:54,158 --> 01:37:59,279
studied. It's very very addictive, which

2912
01:37:57,279 --> 01:38:01,118
is why it's so horrific that they

2913
01:37:59,279 --> 01:38:02,479
actually promoted the fact that these

2914
01:38:01,118 --> 01:38:02,960
things are not addictive when they were

2915
01:38:02,479 --> 01:38:04,319
promoting them.

2916
01:38:02,960 --> 01:38:06,399
>> No, they knew exactly what they were

2917
01:38:04,319 --> 01:38:08,158
doing. They were absolute crooks. And

2918
01:38:06,399 --> 01:38:09,519
I'm hoping we get big settlements out of

2919
01:38:08,158 --> 01:38:10,559
them the way you did down here. And I

2920
01:38:09,520 --> 01:38:12,159
want to put all that money into

2921
01:38:10,560 --> 01:38:15,039
treatment and recovery. Get people off

2922
01:38:12,158 --> 01:38:17,118
these drugs and rescue them. I think we

2923
01:38:15,039 --> 01:38:19,118
can save these lives. The treatment, it

2924
01:38:17,118 --> 01:38:20,639
works. It It's tough. Like the people

2925
01:38:19,118 --> 01:38:23,198
who go through it, they say it's it was

2926
01:38:20,639 --> 01:38:25,359
the worst experience of my life to go

2927
01:38:23,198 --> 01:38:27,039
through that withdrawal, but it can be

2928
01:38:25,359 --> 01:38:27,599
done and you come out stronger on the

2929
01:38:27,039 --> 01:38:29,359
other side.

2930
01:38:27,600 --> 01:38:31,199
>> It can be done. And and I think the most

2931
01:38:29,359 --> 01:38:33,839
important thing is prevention and and

2932
01:38:31,198 --> 01:38:35,919
education and letting kids know like,

2933
01:38:33,840 --> 01:38:37,920
hey, this is not what you want to get

2934
01:38:35,920 --> 01:38:39,679
involved with. You want to have a happy,

2935
01:38:37,920 --> 01:38:41,279
successful life, this is going to stop

2936
01:38:39,679 --> 01:38:43,440
that. This is going to keep you from

2937
01:38:41,279 --> 01:38:44,559
having this might kill you and it's

2938
01:38:43,439 --> 01:38:45,759
definitely going to ruin you.

2939
01:38:44,560 --> 01:38:48,239
>> Yeah. But you're right about fitness

2940
01:38:45,760 --> 01:38:49,520
though cuz when I was young I I I hung

2941
01:38:48,238 --> 01:38:50,959
around with a lot of people who got into

2942
01:38:49,520 --> 01:38:53,520
a lot of trouble and I could have ended

2943
01:38:50,960 --> 01:38:55,679
up there. The reason I didn't frankly is

2944
01:38:53,520 --> 01:38:57,280
sports. So I I had something else to

2945
01:38:55,679 --> 01:38:58,800
drive me. So it's one of the reasons why

2946
01:38:57,279 --> 01:39:00,719
we need to get our young people active

2947
01:38:58,800 --> 01:39:02,239
in sporting activities when they're in

2948
01:39:00,719 --> 01:39:04,079
that age group because if you're not

2949
01:39:02,238 --> 01:39:05,759
giving them an outlet then they'll end

2950
01:39:04,079 --> 01:39:08,238
up down that scary path.

2951
01:39:05,760 --> 01:39:09,679
>> Oh 100%. And also you realize that if

2952
01:39:08,238 --> 01:39:12,718
you want to be effective in sports like

2953
01:39:09,679 --> 01:39:14,319
you can't party. It's like it'll rob you

2954
01:39:12,719 --> 01:39:15,359
of your vitality.

2955
01:39:14,319 --> 01:39:17,118
you of your performance.

2956
01:39:15,359 --> 01:39:18,719
>> No, I when I played hockey and I I

2957
01:39:17,118 --> 01:39:21,198
showed up a few times hung over and I

2958
01:39:18,719 --> 01:39:22,480
was just [ __ ] Like I was terrible. But

2959
01:39:21,198 --> 01:39:24,559
uh you learned pretty quick that you got

2960
01:39:22,479 --> 01:39:26,079
to be on your game. So we've got to

2961
01:39:24,560 --> 01:39:29,600
promote more of the fitness at the at

2962
01:39:26,079 --> 01:39:30,800
the youth level as well. And um and is

2963
01:39:29,600 --> 01:39:33,199
that happening here? It's funny. I

2964
01:39:30,800 --> 01:39:34,960
remember when I came down here um as a

2965
01:39:33,198 --> 01:39:39,759
16-year-old. I haven't been here in 30

2966
01:39:34,960 --> 01:39:42,000
years. Um, I uh we we got into town and

2967
01:39:39,760 --> 01:39:43,679
the people who were hosting us uh were

2968
01:39:42,000 --> 01:39:46,158
driving us to their home and we saw this

2969
01:39:43,679 --> 01:39:48,079
stadium and there's like 20,000 people

2970
01:39:46,158 --> 01:39:50,079
and it was in Houston and I said, "Is

2971
01:39:48,079 --> 01:39:51,279
that the Cowboys playing?" And they

2972
01:39:50,079 --> 01:39:53,519
said, "No, no, that's that's a high

2973
01:39:51,279 --> 01:39:55,198
school league." It's like, "Oh, okay. In

2974
01:39:53,520 --> 01:39:58,000
Canada, we don't have high school

2975
01:39:55,198 --> 01:40:00,479
leagues with 20,000 people coming out."

2976
01:39:58,000 --> 01:40:00,960
>> But um but the sports are so massive

2977
01:40:00,479 --> 01:40:03,519
here.

2978
01:40:00,960 --> 01:40:05,279
>> Oh, football is gigantic here. It's a

2979
01:40:03,520 --> 01:40:06,000
religion. Yeah, it's incredible.

2980
01:40:05,279 --> 01:40:07,920
>> Crazy. And

2981
01:40:06,000 --> 01:40:09,118
>> who do you cheer for, by the way?

2982
01:40:07,920 --> 01:40:10,719
>> In in Texas.

2983
01:40:09,118 --> 01:40:13,198
>> Yeah. You personally?

2984
01:40:10,719 --> 01:40:13,520
>> Well, I I've got into UT football.

2985
01:40:13,198 --> 01:40:15,919
>> Okay.

2986
01:40:13,520 --> 01:40:19,840
>> I really love uh going to the UT games.

2987
01:40:15,920 --> 01:40:22,800
It's uh it's so fun and it's so they're

2988
01:40:19,840 --> 01:40:24,319
so enthusiastic and they they just love

2989
01:40:22,800 --> 01:40:25,840
it. It's like when you're a part of it,

2990
01:40:24,319 --> 01:40:27,359
when the touchdowns get scored and

2991
01:40:25,840 --> 01:40:30,159
everybody's cheering, it's like it's

2992
01:40:27,359 --> 01:40:31,519
it's so contagious, right? It's really

2993
01:40:30,158 --> 01:40:33,359
amazing. And it's just like the

2994
01:40:31,520 --> 01:40:34,880
enthusiasm they have for it. It's like

2995
01:40:33,359 --> 01:40:37,439
you're like, "Wow." Like, "This is a

2996
01:40:34,880 --> 01:40:38,960
great these people love this here." But

2997
01:40:37,439 --> 01:40:40,799
I've I've been to high school football

2998
01:40:38,960 --> 01:40:42,719
games and it's the same thing. Like pack

2999
01:40:40,800 --> 01:40:44,239
stadiums for high school football games

3000
01:40:42,719 --> 01:40:45,679
and you're like, "This is nuts, man.

3001
01:40:44,238 --> 01:40:47,279
These people love their sports."

3002
01:40:45,679 --> 01:40:49,118
>> We're like that for hockey in Canada.

3003
01:40:47,279 --> 01:40:51,840
Oh, yeah. It is serious. Serious. Like

3004
01:40:49,118 --> 01:40:52,960
parents are very fixated. And I think I

3005
01:40:51,840 --> 01:40:54,560
think it's actually a good thing. Some

3006
01:40:52,960 --> 01:40:56,000
people say, "Oh, it's terrible." I think

3007
01:40:54,560 --> 01:40:56,960
it's great to have parents that are

3008
01:40:56,000 --> 01:40:58,238
competitive because they're pushing

3009
01:40:56,960 --> 01:40:59,439
their kids to be better and more

3010
01:40:58,238 --> 01:41:02,319
excellent. And even if they don't end up

3011
01:40:59,439 --> 01:41:03,919
as NHL hockey players, it gives them the

3012
01:41:02,319 --> 01:41:06,559
comp competitive ed. And I want us to be

3013
01:41:03,920 --> 01:41:08,560
a more competitive society.

3014
01:41:06,560 --> 01:41:11,840
>> Well, when I was a kid, I I worked at

3015
01:41:08,560 --> 01:41:14,000
the Boston Athletic Club. Um and uh one

3016
01:41:11,840 --> 01:41:16,000
of the people that I I was a fitness

3017
01:41:14,000 --> 01:41:17,359
instructor when I was 19, and one of the

3018
01:41:16,000 --> 01:41:18,079
people that I worked with was Bobby

3019
01:41:17,359 --> 01:41:18,960
Orur.

3020
01:41:18,079 --> 01:41:20,319
>> Oh, really?

3021
01:41:18,960 --> 01:41:21,840
>> Yeah. Bobby or used to come there and

3022
01:41:20,319 --> 01:41:23,840
train him. We used to have to help him

3023
01:41:21,840 --> 01:41:25,920
get on the Versa Climber machine because

3024
01:41:23,840 --> 01:41:28,560
his body was so wrecked. Really?

3025
01:41:25,920 --> 01:41:32,079
>> He had so many surgeries. His knees were

3026
01:41:28,560 --> 01:41:34,000
so destroyed. He had scars all up and

3027
01:41:32,079 --> 01:41:35,198
down his knee because he he had knee

3028
01:41:34,000 --> 01:41:36,719
surgery back when they were just

3029
01:41:35,198 --> 01:41:38,879
experimenting. You know, they didn't

3030
01:41:36,719 --> 01:41:41,039
really know how to fix knees. They just

3031
01:41:38,880 --> 01:41:42,319
cut you open, screwed things back

3032
01:41:41,039 --> 01:41:43,920
together again, and then it would blow

3033
01:41:42,319 --> 01:41:46,238
apart again, and then you'd wind up

3034
01:41:43,920 --> 01:41:48,399
having another surgery. So, he had many,

3035
01:41:46,238 --> 01:41:49,118
many knee surgeries, and he could barely

3036
01:41:48,399 --> 01:41:50,559
walk,

3037
01:41:49,118 --> 01:41:51,439
>> but he was still doing some kind of

3038
01:41:50,560 --> 01:41:53,520
physical activity.

3039
01:41:51,439 --> 01:41:56,000
>> Yeah, he was playing raetball. He was

3040
01:41:53,520 --> 01:42:00,000
>> How old was he at the time?

3041
01:41:56,000 --> 01:42:01,198
This was 1986.

3042
01:42:00,000 --> 01:42:03,520
So I mean

3043
01:42:01,198 --> 01:42:06,638
>> geez that's like what 40 years ago now?

3044
01:42:03,520 --> 01:42:09,679
>> Uhhuh. Yeah. So he was

3045
01:42:06,639 --> 01:42:12,079
you know he was probably in his 50s 40s

3046
01:42:09,679 --> 01:42:14,480
or 50s. He was but he was he could

3047
01:42:12,079 --> 01:42:15,439
barely walk. I mean he his knees didn't

3048
01:42:14,479 --> 01:42:15,919
straighten out

3049
01:42:15,439 --> 01:42:18,000
>> really.

3050
01:42:15,920 --> 01:42:19,840
>> They they were always like slightly bent

3051
01:42:18,000 --> 01:42:22,158
and they only bent that much. His range

3052
01:42:19,840 --> 01:42:24,800
of motion was very small. So you had to

3053
01:42:22,158 --> 01:42:26,799
help him like get on machines. but the

3054
01:42:24,800 --> 01:42:28,320
nicest guy and a legend. Like you

3055
01:42:26,800 --> 01:42:30,320
couldn't believe he was really there.

3056
01:42:28,319 --> 01:42:32,079
>> Like he he would walk into the the gym

3057
01:42:30,319 --> 01:42:34,000
and you're like, "Oh my god, really?" As

3058
01:42:32,079 --> 01:42:35,600
I was 19, I never met a famous person

3059
01:42:34,000 --> 01:42:36,319
and I was like, "That's Bobby or

3060
01:42:35,600 --> 01:42:38,560
>> absolutely

3061
01:42:36,319 --> 01:42:40,559
>> this is nuts." But it also made me

3062
01:42:38,560 --> 01:42:42,239
realize like, boy, knee surgery is no

3063
01:42:40,560 --> 01:42:44,800
joke. Like this guy was like an

3064
01:42:42,238 --> 01:42:46,399
incredible athlete and now he can't even

3065
01:42:44,800 --> 01:42:48,000
straighten his leg out.

3066
01:42:46,399 --> 01:42:49,039
>> Yeah. It's all temporary. You got to

3067
01:42:48,000 --> 01:42:52,158
take care of yourself.

3068
01:42:49,039 --> 01:42:54,800
>> Yes. Do you do you have like residual

3069
01:42:52,158 --> 01:42:55,039
injuries from fighting back in in the

3070
01:42:54,800 --> 01:42:56,639
day?

3071
01:42:55,039 --> 01:42:58,560
>> Oh yeah. Yeah. I've had three knee

3072
01:42:56,639 --> 01:43:00,480
surgeries, two reconstructions.

3073
01:42:58,560 --> 01:43:02,320
>> Was that from taekwond do?

3074
01:43:00,479 --> 01:43:04,799
>> Yeah. And jiu-jitsu. One of one of my

3075
01:43:02,319 --> 01:43:07,198
ACL injuries was from uh jiu-jitsu.

3076
01:43:04,800 --> 01:43:08,880
>> And what uh like what injuries are the

3077
01:43:07,198 --> 01:43:12,158
most common in jiu-jitsu?

3078
01:43:08,880 --> 01:43:13,600
>> Knees, backs, necks, shoulders. Those

3079
01:43:12,158 --> 01:43:15,839
are the big ones. Elbows.

3080
01:43:13,600 --> 01:43:16,719
>> Is that because of the the arm bars and

3081
01:43:15,840 --> 01:43:19,039
all that stuff?

3082
01:43:16,719 --> 01:43:20,480
>> Yeah. Not tapping. That's a big one. A

3083
01:43:19,039 --> 01:43:21,840
lot of a lot of guys get hurt just

3084
01:43:20,479 --> 01:43:22,319
because their ego because they don't

3085
01:43:21,840 --> 01:43:24,159
want to tap.

3086
01:43:22,319 --> 01:43:25,759
>> And you don't you don't strike me as the

3087
01:43:24,158 --> 01:43:27,439
type of guy who taps very quickly.

3088
01:43:25,760 --> 01:43:29,440
>> Well, when I was younger, I was really

3089
01:43:27,439 --> 01:43:31,039
stupid and I I wasn't into tapping.

3090
01:43:29,439 --> 01:43:33,919
>> Right.

3091
01:43:31,039 --> 01:43:35,439
>> But, uh, as I got older, I got a lot

3092
01:43:33,920 --> 01:43:37,279
smarter. Fortunately, I got a lot

3093
01:43:35,439 --> 01:43:39,198
better. So, I wasn't like in a situation

3094
01:43:37,279 --> 01:43:41,198
where I had to tap a lot, but if I did,

3095
01:43:39,198 --> 01:43:42,638
I did. I just tapped. And that's the

3096
01:43:41,198 --> 01:43:44,559
smart thing to do. And I would tell

3097
01:43:42,639 --> 01:43:46,000
people, treat it like you're playing

3098
01:43:44,560 --> 01:43:48,320
basketball. Don't treat it like it's

3099
01:43:46,000 --> 01:43:50,800
your life or death. The game is life or

3100
01:43:48,319 --> 01:43:52,319
death. The game is if a guy gets you in

3101
01:43:50,800 --> 01:43:53,679
an arm bar, he's essentially breaking

3102
01:43:52,319 --> 01:43:54,799
your arm. If he breaks your arm, he can

3103
01:43:53,679 --> 01:43:57,359
kill you, right?

3104
01:43:54,800 --> 01:44:00,000
>> That's the game. But don't treat it like

3105
01:43:57,359 --> 01:44:02,639
that. Treat it like you can tap and keep

3106
01:44:00,000 --> 01:44:04,238
going. Or you can not tap and your arm's

3107
01:44:02,639 --> 01:44:04,880
going to be destroyed maybe for the rest

3108
01:44:04,238 --> 01:44:05,279
of your life.

3109
01:44:04,880 --> 01:44:06,800
>> Right.

3110
01:44:05,279 --> 01:44:08,800
>> And I've seen that happen with people

3111
01:44:06,800 --> 01:44:10,159
where they're their forearm snaps and

3112
01:44:08,800 --> 01:44:11,920
they have to have plates in it and then

3113
01:44:10,158 --> 01:44:12,719
it's a chronic injury for the rest of

3114
01:44:11,920 --> 01:44:14,719
their life.

3115
01:44:12,719 --> 01:44:17,359
>> Right. Yeah. No, I can imagine that. And

3116
01:44:14,719 --> 01:44:18,880
what about in in taekwond do like you

3117
01:44:17,359 --> 01:44:20,238
you told the story once about how you

3118
01:44:18,880 --> 01:44:21,440
really clocked a guy. I think it was a

3119
01:44:20,238 --> 01:44:22,799
real kick or something

3120
01:44:21,439 --> 01:44:24,960
>> and that like freaked you out.

3121
01:44:22,800 --> 01:44:26,719
>> That changed my whole outlook on

3122
01:44:24,960 --> 01:44:28,960
fighting because I realized that could

3123
01:44:26,719 --> 01:44:30,880
happen to me. And I I had knocked people

3124
01:44:28,960 --> 01:44:33,039
out before, but I'd never knocked

3125
01:44:30,880 --> 01:44:34,639
anybody out where they didn't get up.

3126
01:44:33,039 --> 01:44:36,719
Like usually they get up and they're

3127
01:44:34,639 --> 01:44:38,560
wobbly and you know they get sat down

3128
01:44:36,719 --> 01:44:40,800
and the you know medics take care of

3129
01:44:38,560 --> 01:44:43,520
them and you know after a while they're

3130
01:44:40,800 --> 01:44:46,480
walking around and this guy never got up

3131
01:44:43,520 --> 01:44:49,760
and I never really got over that. I

3132
01:44:46,479 --> 01:44:52,399
never had the same u lust for hurting

3133
01:44:49,760 --> 01:44:54,400
people cuz it was just I was young you

3134
01:44:52,399 --> 01:44:57,359
know I was 19 and when you're 19 you

3135
01:44:54,399 --> 01:44:59,039
think you're invincible or you don't you

3136
01:44:57,359 --> 01:45:00,639
don't think about the consequ I knew I

3137
01:44:59,039 --> 01:45:02,560
could get hurt. I've been hurt before.

3138
01:45:00,639 --> 01:45:04,319
I'd been kicked really hard and punched

3139
01:45:02,560 --> 01:45:06,560
really hard before. I knew I was

3140
01:45:04,319 --> 01:45:08,238
vulnerable, but I didn't think there

3141
01:45:06,560 --> 01:45:09,440
would going to be anything permanent.

3142
01:45:08,238 --> 01:45:10,000
>> Did the guy ever get out of the

3143
01:45:09,439 --> 01:45:11,279
hospital?

3144
01:45:10,000 --> 01:45:12,719
>> I don't know. Really?

3145
01:45:11,279 --> 01:45:13,198
>> I don't know what happened to him.

3146
01:45:12,719 --> 01:45:14,239
>> Well, maybe

3147
01:45:13,198 --> 01:45:15,599
>> I don't know what happened to him.

3148
01:45:14,238 --> 01:45:16,799
>> Maybe he'll hear the show and give you a

3149
01:45:15,600 --> 01:45:17,920
call and say that he's all right.

3150
01:45:16,800 --> 01:45:19,119
>> Oh, no. No. He probably don't want to

3151
01:45:17,920 --> 01:45:21,118
talk to me.

3152
01:45:19,118 --> 01:45:24,158
>> Well, your your spinning back kick is

3153
01:45:21,118 --> 01:45:25,599
incredible. I saw you and GSP doing that

3154
01:45:24,158 --> 01:45:26,799
uh video where you were showing him how

3155
01:45:25,600 --> 01:45:28,239
to do the back kick. Yeah.

3156
01:45:26,800 --> 01:45:30,000
>> Did he ever use that in a fight?

3157
01:45:28,238 --> 01:45:30,238
>> Yeah, he did. Yeah, he did. He landed

3158
01:45:30,000 --> 01:45:31,920
it.

3159
01:45:30,238 --> 01:45:33,198
>> Yeah, he used it a lot. It's a thing

3160
01:45:31,920 --> 01:45:36,639
that like

3161
01:45:33,198 --> 01:45:37,279
>> it you have to almost grow up doing it,

3162
01:45:36,639 --> 01:45:39,279
>> right?

3163
01:45:37,279 --> 01:45:41,359
>> You know, unless you're deal like Jon

3164
01:45:39,279 --> 01:45:43,519
Jones developed it later in his career.

3165
01:45:41,359 --> 01:45:45,519
>> I saw that he wizard, but he kind of

3166
01:45:43,520 --> 01:45:47,040
like started implementing it uh like

3167
01:45:45,520 --> 01:45:48,159
like sort of three two/3 through through

3168
01:45:47,039 --> 01:45:48,479
his career. Did you teach him how to do

3169
01:45:48,158 --> 01:45:50,000
that?

3170
01:45:48,479 --> 01:45:51,519
>> No. No, I did not. He worked with a taco

3171
01:45:50,000 --> 01:45:53,679
with no coach in Albuquerque.

3172
01:45:51,520 --> 01:45:55,520
>> Okay. and uh he just really worked on

3173
01:45:53,679 --> 01:45:57,359
that one technique specifically when he

3174
01:45:55,520 --> 01:45:59,119
went up to heavyweight because the guys

3175
01:45:57,359 --> 01:46:01,118
would be first of all less agile and

3176
01:45:59,118 --> 01:46:02,639
mobile and also it was the kind of

3177
01:46:01,118 --> 01:46:03,679
technique where he could stop a guy with

3178
01:46:02,639 --> 01:46:05,920
one shot right

3179
01:46:03,679 --> 01:46:07,359
>> and when you're a guy who's smaller than

3180
01:46:05,920 --> 01:46:08,719
most heavyweights which John is because

3181
01:46:07,359 --> 01:46:11,279
he was a light heavyweight so he was

3182
01:46:08,719 --> 01:46:13,279
fighting at 205 most of his career and

3183
01:46:11,279 --> 01:46:15,118
just as a challenge decided to go up to

3184
01:46:13,279 --> 01:46:18,158
heavyweight but he's so intelligent he

3185
01:46:15,118 --> 01:46:20,319
realized like I need a one shot that I

3186
01:46:18,158 --> 01:46:23,519
could put people away so he spent hours

3187
01:46:20,319 --> 01:46:24,319
and hours every week just going over the

3188
01:46:23,520 --> 01:46:25,679
spinning back kick.

3189
01:46:24,319 --> 01:46:26,238
>> Really? To the body or the head?

3190
01:46:25,679 --> 01:46:26,719
>> Yeah, the body.

3191
01:46:26,238 --> 01:46:28,638
>> The body.

3192
01:46:26,719 --> 01:46:31,600
>> Yeah. It's like getting hit by a car,

3193
01:46:28,639 --> 01:46:34,000
>> right? You with that sp like a wheel

3194
01:46:31,600 --> 01:46:36,880
kick to the head is really difficult to

3195
01:46:34,000 --> 01:46:38,800
develop. That's It's like a fast twitch

3196
01:46:36,880 --> 01:46:42,639
thing that it's almost like your body

3197
01:46:38,800 --> 01:46:44,960
has to evolve and grow doing that to

3198
01:46:42,639 --> 01:46:46,319
really develop the kind of speed that

3199
01:46:44,960 --> 01:46:48,399
you could pull it off on a skilled

3200
01:46:46,319 --> 01:46:50,079
opponent in a fight. the accuracy like

3201
01:46:48,399 --> 01:46:50,638
to try and time that all that must be

3202
01:46:50,079 --> 01:46:52,399
incredible.

3203
01:46:50,639 --> 01:46:53,840
>> I mean there's there's there's freak

3204
01:46:52,399 --> 01:46:54,960
athletes that could pick it up later in

3205
01:46:53,840 --> 01:46:56,000
life. There's some people that are just

3206
01:46:54,960 --> 01:46:58,560
really good at everything. They just

3207
01:46:56,000 --> 01:47:01,359
have amazing dexterity and coordination

3208
01:46:58,560 --> 01:47:04,159
and but for most people you like I

3209
01:47:01,359 --> 01:47:07,519
learned it when I was a kid. So like my

3210
01:47:04,158 --> 01:47:09,679
body matured doing those things. My body

3211
01:47:07,520 --> 01:47:12,000
matured kicking and it became a part of

3212
01:47:09,679 --> 01:47:13,600
like just my average like normal

3213
01:47:12,000 --> 01:47:14,399
movement of life,

3214
01:47:13,600 --> 01:47:16,960
>> right? You know

3215
01:47:14,399 --> 01:47:19,279
>> that's amazing. Uh, and uh, the the

3216
01:47:16,960 --> 01:47:21,198
spinning back kick though, uh, is it

3217
01:47:19,279 --> 01:47:22,399
typically a body kick you throw? Is that

3218
01:47:21,198 --> 01:47:24,000
>> when you throw I've thrown it to the

3219
01:47:22,399 --> 01:47:25,039
face, too? Especially a jump spinning

3220
01:47:24,000 --> 01:47:25,439
back kick to the face.

3221
01:47:25,039 --> 01:47:27,439
>> Wow.

3222
01:47:25,439 --> 01:47:29,359
>> But, um, the the

3223
01:47:27,439 --> 01:47:30,960
>> Wasn't it really the Koreans that

3224
01:47:29,359 --> 01:47:33,279
developed so they could actually kick a

3225
01:47:30,960 --> 01:47:34,399
man off a horse in war? Is that why the

3226
01:47:33,279 --> 01:47:36,399
kicks are so high?

3227
01:47:34,399 --> 01:47:38,399
>> I don't think so. I think it was just

3228
01:47:36,399 --> 01:47:39,920
cuz they were they're smaller in stature

3229
01:47:38,399 --> 01:47:41,198
and they realized that you had to have

3230
01:47:39,920 --> 01:47:41,679
more powerful kicks.

3231
01:47:41,198 --> 01:47:43,599
>> Okay.

3232
01:47:41,679 --> 01:47:45,039
>> You know, like cuz your legs are always

3233
01:47:43,600 --> 01:47:46,960
carrying your body around. There's a lot

3234
01:47:45,039 --> 01:47:48,319
more mass to your muscles and your legs

3235
01:47:46,960 --> 01:47:49,520
and there's a lot more force you can

3236
01:47:48,319 --> 01:47:52,000
generate with your kicks.

3237
01:47:49,520 --> 01:47:55,119
>> Did you ever see the fight between Rick

3238
01:47:52,000 --> 01:47:56,319
Rufus and that Muay Thai guy? Oh yeah.

3239
01:47:55,118 --> 01:47:58,719
>> Wasn't that incredible?

3240
01:47:56,319 --> 01:48:00,559
>> Yeah, that changed kickboxing. We've

3241
01:47:58,719 --> 01:48:01,679
we've showed that fight a hundred times

3242
01:48:00,560 --> 01:48:03,280
on this podcast.

3243
01:48:01,679 --> 01:48:05,520
>> It's amazing because it was like

3244
01:48:03,279 --> 01:48:07,039
Americans versus Thai and

3245
01:48:05,520 --> 01:48:07,920
>> but we didn't really understand leg

3246
01:48:07,039 --> 01:48:11,039
kicks, right?

3247
01:48:07,920 --> 01:48:13,199
>> Because PKA karate and I found this out

3248
01:48:11,039 --> 01:48:14,719
later because of Benny Eritz who came in

3249
01:48:13,198 --> 01:48:17,599
the podcast. He told me that the reason

3250
01:48:14,719 --> 01:48:19,920
why they didn't allow leg kicks in PKA

3251
01:48:17,600 --> 01:48:22,960
karate was because of Bill Wallace. So

3252
01:48:19,920 --> 01:48:24,560
Bill Superfoot Wallace famously had one

3253
01:48:22,960 --> 01:48:26,560
leg that he kicked with. It was cuz his

3254
01:48:24,560 --> 01:48:28,000
other leg, he had a bad knee, right?

3255
01:48:26,560 --> 01:48:28,639
>> And he didn't want anybody kicking his

3256
01:48:28,000 --> 01:48:29,279
legs.

3257
01:48:28,639 --> 01:48:32,159
>> Interesting.

3258
01:48:29,279 --> 01:48:33,439
>> So he promoted this idea that only have

3259
01:48:32,158 --> 01:48:34,000
above the waist kicks,

3260
01:48:33,439 --> 01:48:35,839
>> right?

3261
01:48:34,000 --> 01:48:37,439
>> And that's what we had in America. Like

3262
01:48:35,840 --> 01:48:39,039
that's what Johnny Etero fought most.

3263
01:48:37,439 --> 01:48:39,919
>> That's right. He did. He fought Rufus

3264
01:48:39,039 --> 01:48:42,319
himself actually.

3265
01:48:39,920 --> 01:48:43,920
>> Yes. Yeah. No, that that that was

3266
01:48:42,319 --> 01:48:47,519
incredible because if you looked at the

3267
01:48:43,920 --> 01:48:50,000
the art form, Rufus was so much more

3268
01:48:47,520 --> 01:48:51,920
beautiful to watch than the tie guy. He

3269
01:48:50,000 --> 01:48:54,399
came in, he sp he broke the guy's jaw in

3270
01:48:51,920 --> 01:48:55,760
the first round, I think. Hey, he

3271
01:48:54,399 --> 01:48:56,719
knocked him down a few times. Was it

3272
01:48:55,760 --> 01:48:58,079
once or twice?

3273
01:48:56,719 --> 01:48:59,359
>> He knocked him down a couple times, I

3274
01:48:58,079 --> 01:49:00,880
believe. But it was really

3275
01:48:59,359 --> 01:49:02,559
>> And the guy just kept chopping his leg

3276
01:49:00,880 --> 01:49:04,239
and and then I think he he went out in a

3277
01:49:02,560 --> 01:49:05,679
in a stretcher because his leg was

3278
01:49:04,238 --> 01:49:07,039
busted in like nine places or something.

3279
01:49:05,679 --> 01:49:08,239
>> He didn't know what to do. He didn't

3280
01:49:07,039 --> 01:49:10,238
understand it. What was really

3281
01:49:08,238 --> 01:49:12,319
interesting is his brother Duke became a

3282
01:49:10,238 --> 01:49:12,718
Muay Thai world champion after that

3283
01:49:12,319 --> 01:49:14,639
fight.

3284
01:49:12,719 --> 01:49:16,399
>> Was that the Was that the the guy who

3285
01:49:14,639 --> 01:49:17,840
was at the fight commenting after the

3286
01:49:16,399 --> 01:49:19,039
fight? Yes, I remember that.

3287
01:49:17,840 --> 01:49:20,480
>> He was saying it doesn't take any

3288
01:49:19,039 --> 01:49:21,920
>> There's no skill. Yes, I remember that.

3289
01:49:20,479 --> 01:49:23,678
>> Well, he he was embarrassed by that

3290
01:49:21,920 --> 01:49:25,199
later in his life because he became one

3291
01:49:23,679 --> 01:49:27,359
of the top MMA trainers.

3292
01:49:25,198 --> 01:49:29,118
>> Really? And he he took on Muay Thai.

3293
01:49:27,359 --> 01:49:31,118
>> Yes. Well, he became a Muay Thai world

3294
01:49:29,118 --> 01:49:33,039
champion and he developed Rufus Sport,

3295
01:49:31,118 --> 01:49:34,799
which is a great gym in Milwaukee. A top

3296
01:49:33,039 --> 01:49:38,560
gym. Developed world champions like

3297
01:49:34,800 --> 01:49:40,079
Anthony Pettis. So he was uh you know he

3298
01:49:38,560 --> 01:49:41,600
was a pioneer. It was one of the guys

3299
01:49:40,079 --> 01:49:43,359
that had to figure it out and you know

3300
01:49:41,600 --> 01:49:45,039
he spent time in Thailand. They all they

3301
01:49:43,359 --> 01:49:45,599
all learned it. They had to learn

3302
01:49:45,039 --> 01:49:46,800
>> because it was

3303
01:49:45,600 --> 01:49:48,880
>> Where's the best place in Thailand to

3304
01:49:46,800 --> 01:49:49,199
go? Is it Fuket? Is it Bangkok? Like

3305
01:49:48,880 --> 01:49:50,400
where?

3306
01:49:49,198 --> 01:49:52,399
>> Oh, there's so many good places.

3307
01:49:50,399 --> 01:49:54,399
Thailand's the real motherland of Muay

3308
01:49:52,399 --> 01:49:56,799
Thai obviously. And it's like, you know,

3309
01:49:54,399 --> 01:49:59,039
um Phuket's amazing.

3310
01:49:56,800 --> 01:50:03,039
Bangkok's amazing. I mean, there's so

3311
01:49:59,039 --> 01:50:03,840
many amazing gyms that are in uh in

3312
01:50:03,039 --> 01:50:05,519
Thailand.

3313
01:50:03,840 --> 01:50:07,119
>> They're tough. There's whole strips in

3314
01:50:05,520 --> 01:50:08,719
Phuket. My wife and I were there on

3315
01:50:07,118 --> 01:50:10,079
vacation once and we just stumbled on

3316
01:50:08,719 --> 01:50:12,319
this whole street

3317
01:50:10,079 --> 01:50:14,319
>> and uh you could do there was sort of

3318
01:50:12,319 --> 01:50:16,559
Americanstyle boxing. There was there

3319
01:50:14,319 --> 01:50:18,319
was a CrossFit type thing. Then there

3320
01:50:16,560 --> 01:50:20,000
was that Tiger Muay Thai and a bunch of

3321
01:50:18,319 --> 01:50:21,759
other Muay Thai facilities. And then

3322
01:50:20,000 --> 01:50:23,520
there's there's like street vendors that

3323
01:50:21,760 --> 01:50:26,239
would were were cooking meals

3324
01:50:23,520 --> 01:50:28,239
specifically for people who are there

3325
01:50:26,238 --> 01:50:31,039
training. Um, like you could buy a

3326
01:50:28,238 --> 01:50:33,839
beautiful hard-boiled eggs and and

3327
01:50:31,039 --> 01:50:36,158
avocado and uh chicken strips and this

3328
01:50:33,840 --> 01:50:37,760
is like high protein just catered to the

3329
01:50:36,158 --> 01:50:40,000
people who come from around the world to

3330
01:50:37,760 --> 01:50:40,400
train for like five, six weeks in a in a

3331
01:50:40,000 --> 01:50:41,520
clinic.

3332
01:50:40,399 --> 01:50:44,238
>> And there's people that do it just

3333
01:50:41,520 --> 01:50:46,400
recreationally. My friend Mark, he's uh

3334
01:50:44,238 --> 01:50:46,879
he's a businessman. He's in his 60s and

3335
01:50:46,399 --> 01:50:48,000
he did it.

3336
01:50:46,880 --> 01:50:48,800
>> He went over to Thailand.

3337
01:50:48,000 --> 01:50:51,279
>> Did he survive?

3338
01:50:48,800 --> 01:50:52,880
>> Yeah, he trained. He spars all I saw him

3339
01:50:51,279 --> 01:50:54,238
the other day. He had a black eye. He's

3340
01:50:52,880 --> 01:50:55,760
in his 60s. I'm like, what are you

3341
01:50:54,238 --> 01:50:58,319
doing, man? So if you were starting from

3342
01:50:55,760 --> 01:51:01,440
scratch, you and you wanted to be a MMA,

3343
01:50:58,319 --> 01:51:03,679
would you do like you go to uh Thailand

3344
01:51:01,439 --> 01:51:05,279
and do a do like a two months there and

3345
01:51:03,679 --> 01:51:06,639
then go to Dagistan to learn how to

3346
01:51:05,279 --> 01:51:07,198
wrestle? Is that would that be the best

3347
01:51:06,639 --> 01:51:08,880
combo?

3348
01:51:07,198 --> 01:51:10,719
>> If you were starting out, if you're a

3349
01:51:08,880 --> 01:51:12,159
kid, I would say wrestling. Wrestling is

3350
01:51:10,719 --> 01:51:14,000
number one. Yeah, that's the most

3351
01:51:12,158 --> 01:51:15,679
important thing to learn because if a

3352
01:51:14,000 --> 01:51:17,118
guy can take you down, he could do

3353
01:51:15,679 --> 01:51:18,800
whatever he wants to. If he could take

3354
01:51:17,118 --> 01:51:19,359
you down and hold you down and beat you

3355
01:51:18,800 --> 01:51:20,880
up,

3356
01:51:19,359 --> 01:51:22,960
>> if you don't know how to wrestle, you

3357
01:51:20,880 --> 01:51:24,560
can't fight. Right. You needed at least

3358
01:51:22,960 --> 01:51:26,319
to learn wrestling just to understand

3359
01:51:24,560 --> 01:51:28,560
wrestling take down defense.

3360
01:51:26,319 --> 01:51:29,118
>> But you did jiu-jitsu later in life,

3361
01:51:28,560 --> 01:51:29,520
didn't you?

3362
01:51:29,118 --> 01:51:29,839
>> Yes.

3363
01:51:29,520 --> 01:51:32,320
>> Right.

3364
01:51:29,840 --> 01:51:33,440
>> I didn't start jiu-jitsu till I was 29,

3365
01:51:32,319 --> 01:51:35,359
I think.

3366
01:51:33,439 --> 01:51:36,719
>> Yeah. And who who do you like right now?

3367
01:51:35,359 --> 01:51:38,079
Who do you think is the most interesting

3368
01:51:36,719 --> 01:51:40,079
fighter to watch these days?

3369
01:51:38,079 --> 01:51:42,719
>> Oh, there's so many. It's impossible to

3370
01:51:40,079 --> 01:51:44,880
say the most interesting. There's a guy

3371
01:51:42,719 --> 01:51:48,239
uh from Spain, Ilia.

3372
01:51:44,880 --> 01:51:51,279
>> Yeah. I really like Tapora. He's

3373
01:51:48,238 --> 01:51:52,718
what David Gogggins calls uncommon

3374
01:51:51,279 --> 01:51:53,519
amongst uncommon men.

3375
01:51:52,719 --> 01:51:55,198
>> Want some more coffee?

3376
01:51:53,520 --> 01:51:57,440
>> No, no, thank you. I'm good. Thank you.

3377
01:51:55,198 --> 01:51:59,759
He's a freak. I mean, he's just

3378
01:51:57,439 --> 01:52:01,598
incredibly talented.

3379
01:51:59,760 --> 01:52:03,520
>> Weird. Weirdly talented. Like his last

3380
01:52:01,599 --> 01:52:04,960
three fights, he knocked out three

3381
01:52:03,520 --> 01:52:05,679
all-time greats.

3382
01:52:04,960 --> 01:52:11,920
>> Holloway.

3383
01:52:05,679 --> 01:52:13,599
>> Yeah. Holloway, Alexander, um um uh and

3384
01:52:11,920 --> 01:52:16,880
um

3385
01:52:13,599 --> 01:52:18,480
uh Charles Olivera. So that's crazy.

3386
01:52:16,880 --> 01:52:20,000
Vulcganowski, who's like one of the

3387
01:52:18,479 --> 01:52:22,319
greatest featherweights of all time,

3388
01:52:20,000 --> 01:52:23,760
knocked him out, knocked out Max

3389
01:52:22,319 --> 01:52:25,279
Holloway, another one of the greatest

3390
01:52:23,760 --> 01:52:26,560
featherweights of all time. And then

3391
01:52:25,279 --> 01:52:28,319
Charles Olivera, one of the greatest

3392
01:52:26,560 --> 01:52:30,239
lightweights of all time. He knocks out

3393
01:52:28,319 --> 01:52:31,118
three guys in three fights. There's no

3394
01:52:30,238 --> 01:52:32,799
one has a resume like that.

3395
01:52:31,118 --> 01:52:35,118
>> And he's not like, as I understand, he

3396
01:52:32,800 --> 01:52:37,679
was a Greco Roman guy, right?

3397
01:52:35,118 --> 01:52:40,000
>> And he became a boxer later on.

3398
01:52:37,679 --> 01:52:42,158
>> He's just How do you describe? How do

3399
01:52:40,000 --> 01:52:44,079
you describe

3400
01:52:42,158 --> 01:52:46,000
like so I'm I'm not I'm not

3401
01:52:44,079 --> 01:52:47,439
knowledgeable in this area, but it the

3402
01:52:46,000 --> 01:52:48,560
way he he almost looks like he has a

3403
01:52:47,439 --> 01:52:50,399
Philly shell.

3404
01:52:48,560 --> 01:52:51,440
>> Is that a Philly shell what he does with

3405
01:52:50,399 --> 01:52:54,238
>> a little bit of that? Well, he has

3406
01:52:51,439 --> 01:52:58,638
amazing defense. It's just amazing

3407
01:52:54,238 --> 01:53:01,279
awareness and he pattern recognition,

3408
01:52:58,639 --> 01:53:03,199
technique. It's he's like he's a

3409
01:53:01,279 --> 01:53:04,719
combination of all things, right?

3410
01:53:03,198 --> 01:53:07,359
incredible confidence, incredible

3411
01:53:04,719 --> 01:53:10,079
intelligence, insane discipline, work

3412
01:53:07,359 --> 01:53:12,799
ethic, but just uh great training

3413
01:53:10,079 --> 01:53:14,880
methods. Like he does everything right.

3414
01:53:12,800 --> 01:53:17,440
And then insane confidence. Like his

3415
01:53:14,880 --> 01:53:19,118
confidence is insane. He when he fought

3416
01:53:17,439 --> 01:53:21,839
Charles Olivera for the lightweight

3417
01:53:19,118 --> 01:53:23,839
title, he celebrated his victory the

3418
01:53:21,840 --> 01:53:25,920
night before. He had a party to

3419
01:53:23,840 --> 01:53:27,440
celebrate the night before the fight and

3420
01:53:25,920 --> 01:53:28,880
then went out and knocked Charles out in

3421
01:53:27,439 --> 01:53:30,719
the first round and said he was going to

3422
01:53:28,880 --> 01:53:31,599
knock Charles out in the first round.

3423
01:53:30,719 --> 01:53:32,719
>> That's incredible.

3424
01:53:31,599 --> 01:53:34,239
>> One punch. Boom.

3425
01:53:32,719 --> 01:53:35,840
>> But you know what impresses me most

3426
01:53:34,238 --> 01:53:37,759
about him is how he got up after that

3427
01:53:35,840 --> 01:53:39,520
kick to the head he took. That was

3428
01:53:37,760 --> 01:53:41,440
incredible. And you know who else did

3429
01:53:39,520 --> 01:53:43,920
that was GSP. Remember when GSP took

3430
01:53:41,439 --> 01:53:45,359
that head and he went down but he

3431
01:53:43,920 --> 01:53:48,158
recovered quickly

3432
01:53:45,359 --> 01:53:49,920
>> and he was talking to me about how cuz I

3433
01:53:48,158 --> 01:53:52,319
said to him like in politics you get hit

3434
01:53:49,920 --> 01:53:54,079
you get hit right and not not physically

3435
01:53:52,319 --> 01:53:56,079
if you're lucky but but you have to be

3436
01:53:54,079 --> 01:53:57,679
able to get up quickly and react to it.

3437
01:53:56,079 --> 01:53:59,840
And I asked him how did you do it? How

3438
01:53:57,679 --> 01:54:02,239
did you like how does your brain go from

3439
01:53:59,840 --> 01:54:04,400
taking that kind of hit to getting back

3440
01:54:02,238 --> 01:54:06,319
in the fight and turning it around? And

3441
01:54:04,399 --> 01:54:07,759
he said he like it's t two very deep

3442
01:54:06,319 --> 01:54:09,679
breaths through the nose and then out

3443
01:54:07,760 --> 01:54:11,199
through the mouth and get some oxygen

3444
01:54:09,679 --> 01:54:13,039
back into your system and focus your

3445
01:54:11,198 --> 01:54:13,839
mind. I thought that was an incredible

3446
01:54:13,039 --> 01:54:16,639
lesson.

3447
01:54:13,840 --> 01:54:18,719
>> Well, I mean it's all in how you get

3448
01:54:16,639 --> 01:54:19,039
kicked cuz you could just get knocked

3449
01:54:18,719 --> 01:54:20,000
out

3450
01:54:19,039 --> 01:54:21,359
>> and then it's over.

3451
01:54:20,000 --> 01:54:23,359
>> There's nothing you could do. If you get

3452
01:54:21,359 --> 01:54:25,359
shut off, you get shut off and certain

3453
01:54:23,359 --> 01:54:27,279
people get shut off. It just you just

3454
01:54:25,359 --> 01:54:29,439
get kicked. You can get kicked and it

3455
01:54:27,279 --> 01:54:31,198
kind of glances off of you or you can

3456
01:54:29,439 --> 01:54:33,279
get kicked and it just slams right into

3457
01:54:31,198 --> 01:54:34,079
the side of your neck and it the lights

3458
01:54:33,279 --> 01:54:36,079
go dark,

3459
01:54:34,079 --> 01:54:38,639
>> right? But if you're if you're still

3460
01:54:36,079 --> 01:54:40,800
able to to recover and and think

3461
01:54:38,639 --> 01:54:43,199
quickly, it's incredible to have that

3462
01:54:40,800 --> 01:54:44,560
kind of pre-programming to ready you for

3463
01:54:43,198 --> 01:54:47,198
a moment like that.

3464
01:54:44,560 --> 01:54:49,679
>> Well, I mean that's a big part of his

3465
01:54:47,198 --> 01:54:51,839
what I was talking about the the camp

3466
01:54:49,679 --> 01:54:53,760
that he comes from. I mean, Farasa Hab

3467
01:54:51,840 --> 01:54:55,599
is like one of the most intelligent and

3468
01:54:53,760 --> 01:54:56,159
one of the most brilliant trainers in

3469
01:54:55,599 --> 01:54:56,719
the sport.

3470
01:54:56,158 --> 01:54:58,158
>> Who's this?

3471
01:54:56,719 --> 01:54:59,520
>> Farasa Hobby. He's the guy from

3472
01:54:58,158 --> 01:55:01,679
Montreal. Tristar.

3473
01:54:59,520 --> 01:55:02,639
>> So, he's the guy who trains just

3474
01:55:01,679 --> 01:55:04,079
>> trains GSP.

3475
01:55:02,639 --> 01:55:06,480
>> Oh, GSP. Okay. Yes.

3476
01:55:04,079 --> 01:55:09,118
>> And I mean, I think that is that's a big

3477
01:55:06,479 --> 01:55:10,799
part of why GSP was able to recover.

3478
01:55:09,118 --> 01:55:11,279
Like they prepare for everything,

3479
01:55:10,800 --> 01:55:12,880
>> right?

3480
01:55:11,279 --> 01:55:15,920
>> You know, it's like there's nothing left

3481
01:55:12,880 --> 01:55:17,920
to chance. Like he he hires people to

3482
01:55:15,920 --> 01:55:19,039
try to knock George out in training.

3483
01:55:17,920 --> 01:55:20,800
That was one of the things he did. It

3484
01:55:19,039 --> 01:55:22,960
would give them more money if they could

3485
01:55:20,800 --> 01:55:24,880
knock him out. So they would just so he

3486
01:55:22,960 --> 01:55:26,800
would be like fully prepared, right,

3487
01:55:24,880 --> 01:55:28,239
>> when he was fighting? Like they leave no

3488
01:55:26,800 --> 01:55:30,480
stone uncovered.

3489
01:55:28,238 --> 01:55:31,439
>> Don't you have to like budget though the

3490
01:55:30,479 --> 01:55:33,198
number of head shot

3491
01:55:31,439 --> 01:55:34,638
>> 100%. But he was pretty confident that

3492
01:55:33,198 --> 01:55:36,399
George I mean it wasn't like he was

3493
01:55:34,639 --> 01:55:38,319
doing this with a beginner. He was doing

3494
01:55:36,399 --> 01:55:40,879
this with a world champion, one of the

3495
01:55:38,319 --> 01:55:42,559
greatest of all time. He he you know he

3496
01:55:40,880 --> 01:55:44,319
wanted George to be in danger,

3497
01:55:42,560 --> 01:55:46,159
>> you know. So George had to fight like he

3498
01:55:44,319 --> 01:55:46,559
was going to fight inside the octagon,

3499
01:55:46,158 --> 01:55:49,279
>> right?

3500
01:55:46,560 --> 01:55:51,280
>> In danger. Because John Jones said

3501
01:55:49,279 --> 01:55:54,559
somewhere that he had like every time he

3502
01:55:51,279 --> 01:55:56,960
gets hit hard in in camp, he's he said

3503
01:55:54,560 --> 01:55:58,800
like I just that that's part of my brain

3504
01:55:56,960 --> 01:56:01,279
budget that's that's been taken away.

3505
01:55:58,800 --> 01:56:02,880
>> Well, that's why John's so smart. He he

3506
01:56:01,279 --> 01:56:04,960
recognizes that there's a lot of people

3507
01:56:02,880 --> 01:56:06,800
that don't think that way. John also

3508
01:56:04,960 --> 01:56:07,279
famously won't take a fight on short

3509
01:56:06,800 --> 01:56:07,840
notice.

3510
01:56:07,279 --> 01:56:09,679
>> Is that right?

3511
01:56:07,840 --> 01:56:11,840
>> He wants to be fully prepared for a

3512
01:56:09,679 --> 01:56:14,239
fighter. Even a guy like when he fought

3513
01:56:11,840 --> 01:56:15,760
Chel Sunen, um they offered him a Chale

3514
01:56:14,238 --> 01:56:18,319
Sunen fight on short notice and he said

3515
01:56:15,760 --> 01:56:20,000
no. Like there is not a time, no

3516
01:56:18,319 --> 01:56:20,719
disrespect to Chale, he's a great

3517
01:56:20,000 --> 01:56:22,960
fighter.

3518
01:56:20,719 --> 01:56:25,118
>> No, there's not a time on this life in

3519
01:56:22,960 --> 01:56:26,560
this earth where Chel Son is going to

3520
01:56:25,118 --> 01:56:27,920
beat Jon Jones. It's just not going to

3521
01:56:26,560 --> 01:56:29,840
happen. He could have taken that fight

3522
01:56:27,920 --> 01:56:32,399
on one day's notice and still beat Chale

3523
01:56:29,840 --> 01:56:33,760
Sun. He's that much better than him. But

3524
01:56:32,399 --> 01:56:36,559
he still wouldn't take it. He's like,

3525
01:56:33,760 --> 01:56:37,679
"No, I want to be fully 100% prepared."

3526
01:56:36,560 --> 01:56:39,760
>> That's smart, though.

3527
01:56:37,679 --> 01:56:41,359
>> Yeah. Also, he hated Chale. And so he

3528
01:56:39,760 --> 01:56:42,880
wanted to make sure that there was not a

3529
01:56:41,359 --> 01:56:44,238
chance that Chale could do anything to

3530
01:56:42,880 --> 01:56:45,599
him that he would have been able to

3531
01:56:44,238 --> 01:56:46,079
wouldn't have been able to do if he was

3532
01:56:45,599 --> 01:56:47,760
trained.

3533
01:56:46,079 --> 01:56:48,960
>> Do these guys hate each other

3534
01:56:47,760 --> 01:56:51,199
>> sometimes.

3535
01:56:48,960 --> 01:56:52,399
>> Is it most of them do they respect or is

3536
01:56:51,198 --> 01:56:54,479
it depends on the fight?

3537
01:56:52,399 --> 01:56:57,679
>> It really depend. Like when Ilia Tapora

3538
01:56:54,479 --> 01:56:59,519
fought um Charles Aivera, he actually

3539
01:56:57,679 --> 01:57:01,359
apologized to him before the fight. He

3540
01:56:59,520 --> 01:57:04,760
said, "I'm sorry. It has to be you. I

3541
01:57:01,359 --> 01:57:04,759
really like you."

3542
01:57:05,760 --> 01:57:08,480
>> Kind of crazy.

3543
01:57:06,639 --> 01:57:09,760
>> He's got to be careful though. hated

3544
01:57:08,479 --> 01:57:10,718
people, too. He's hated people he

3545
01:57:09,760 --> 01:57:12,079
fought, too. I mean, there's some people

3546
01:57:10,719 --> 01:57:13,920
that just rub you the wrong way. There's

3547
01:57:12,079 --> 01:57:15,519
some people there's strategies to get

3548
01:57:13,920 --> 01:57:17,279
inside your head and [ __ ] with you and

3549
01:57:15,520 --> 01:57:19,119
and for you to fight with emotion.

3550
01:57:17,279 --> 01:57:19,840
>> Well, Habib with um

3551
01:57:19,118 --> 01:57:21,519
>> Conor McGregor.

3552
01:57:19,840 --> 01:57:22,880
>> With McGregor, he he really hated

3553
01:57:21,520 --> 01:57:24,480
McGregor. He wasn't going to almost

3554
01:57:22,880 --> 01:57:24,800
didn't let go when the tap happened,

3555
01:57:24,479 --> 01:57:25,678
right?

3556
01:57:24,800 --> 01:57:27,440
>> Yeah. Yeah.

3557
01:57:25,679 --> 01:57:28,639
>> That was that was something else. Is

3558
01:57:27,439 --> 01:57:29,759
Conor ever going to come back, do you

3559
01:57:28,639 --> 01:57:32,079
think?

3560
01:57:29,760 --> 01:57:33,920
>> Only Conor knows. I mean, if he's going

3561
01:57:32,079 --> 01:57:38,880
to, he has to do it soon. I mean, I

3562
01:57:33,920 --> 01:57:39,039
think he's 30. How old is he now? 37.

3563
01:57:38,880 --> 01:57:40,239
He

3564
01:57:39,039 --> 01:57:41,840
>> he's jacked now, eh?

3565
01:57:40,238 --> 01:57:42,959
>> Yeah. Well, not anymore.

3566
01:57:41,840 --> 01:57:44,960
>> Oh, he came back down.

3567
01:57:42,960 --> 01:57:45,520
>> He was uh on the Mexican supplements for

3568
01:57:44,960 --> 01:57:45,920
a while.

3569
01:57:45,520 --> 01:57:48,800
>> Okay.

3570
01:57:45,920 --> 01:57:50,239
>> Because he was trying to uh recover from

3571
01:57:48,800 --> 01:57:50,480
his uh leg break,

3572
01:57:50,238 --> 01:57:52,079
>> right?

3573
01:57:50,479 --> 01:57:52,959
>> So, when he fought Dustin Porier,

3574
01:57:52,079 --> 01:57:54,800
>> I remember that

3575
01:57:52,960 --> 01:57:56,079
>> he got on some stuff to try to recover

3576
01:57:54,800 --> 01:57:58,719
for that. I don't know what he got on,

3577
01:57:56,079 --> 01:58:00,158
but clearly it helped. He got huge. He

3578
01:57:58,719 --> 01:58:01,679
got super jacked. The problem with

3579
01:58:00,158 --> 01:58:03,519
getting super jacked like that is then

3580
01:58:01,679 --> 01:58:05,920
you get addicted to what got you super

3581
01:58:03,520 --> 01:58:07,920
jacked cuz you if you're on steroids you

3582
01:58:05,920 --> 01:58:09,199
feel like Superman, you know, you you

3583
01:58:07,920 --> 01:58:11,920
feel like you could just run through

3584
01:58:09,198 --> 01:58:13,598
walls and then you get off of it and now

3585
01:58:11,920 --> 01:58:15,279
your endocrine system has to kind of

3586
01:58:13,599 --> 01:58:18,239
catch up to the fact that you've been

3587
01:58:15,279 --> 01:58:20,479
giving it exogenous tech testosterone

3588
01:58:18,238 --> 01:58:22,319
for all these months and so that it

3589
01:58:20,479 --> 01:58:24,000
takes a long time for you to get back to

3590
01:58:22,319 --> 01:58:26,079
a normal healthy level so you feel like

3591
01:58:24,000 --> 01:58:27,198
[ __ ] It's hard for these guys to get

3592
01:58:26,079 --> 01:58:28,960
off of steroids,

3593
01:58:27,198 --> 01:58:30,399
>> right? I can imagine you get addicted to

3594
01:58:28,960 --> 01:58:32,319
being that I

3595
01:58:30,399 --> 01:58:33,279
>> I've never done it. I don't plan on it.

3596
01:58:32,319 --> 01:58:34,238
>> How old is he?

3597
01:58:33,279 --> 01:58:35,840
>> 37.

3598
01:58:34,238 --> 01:58:37,039
>> 37. Almost 38.

3599
01:58:35,840 --> 01:58:38,159
>> That's getting up there. Who's the

3600
01:58:37,039 --> 01:58:39,840
oldest fighter that's ever been in the

3601
01:58:38,158 --> 01:58:41,118
octagon? Like who's a serious

3602
01:58:39,840 --> 01:58:43,760
competitor?

3603
01:58:41,118 --> 01:58:45,759
>> Probably Randy Couture. I think Randy

3604
01:58:43,760 --> 01:58:47,760
won the world title, the world

3605
01:58:45,760 --> 01:58:48,480
heavyweight title in his 40s.

3606
01:58:47,760 --> 01:58:51,520
>> Wow.

3607
01:58:48,479 --> 01:58:54,959
>> Yeah. But Randy didn't even start his

3608
01:58:51,520 --> 01:58:58,159
mix mixed martial arts career. I think I

3609
01:58:54,960 --> 01:59:03,520
think I was there at his first fight in

3610
01:58:58,158 --> 01:59:06,638
1997 and I think he was 34 or 35 before

3611
01:59:03,520 --> 01:59:08,800
he ever had uh an MMA fight. He was just

3612
01:59:06,639 --> 01:59:11,279
an elite wrestler who, you know, made

3613
01:59:08,800 --> 01:59:13,679
his way into MMA because, you know,

3614
01:59:11,279 --> 01:59:15,039
there's no real professional outlet for

3615
01:59:13,679 --> 01:59:16,639
actual amateur wrestling.

3616
01:59:15,039 --> 01:59:18,560
>> Did you ever interact with the Gracies?

3617
01:59:16,639 --> 01:59:21,118
Because I remember way back in like I

3618
01:59:18,560 --> 01:59:22,800
remember MMA or UFC 2, it was the second

3619
01:59:21,118 --> 01:59:24,238
one. That was when it really kicked.

3620
01:59:22,800 --> 01:59:26,000
First one was a little bit strange was

3621
01:59:24,238 --> 01:59:28,158
that big fat guy whose tooth went flying

3622
01:59:26,000 --> 01:59:29,039
out that. But number two was the one

3623
01:59:28,158 --> 01:59:33,198
with

3624
01:59:29,039 --> 01:59:35,039
>> Shamrock and uh Gracie and uh Dan

3625
01:59:33,198 --> 01:59:35,519
Severn. Was he in number two? Dan Severn

3626
01:59:35,039 --> 01:59:36,719
the wrestler.

3627
01:59:35,520 --> 01:59:38,320
>> I think he was later.

3628
01:59:36,719 --> 01:59:38,800
>> It might have been three or four.

3629
01:59:38,319 --> 01:59:39,920
>> Yeah.

3630
01:59:38,800 --> 01:59:41,119
>> But that was kind of the first

3631
01:59:39,920 --> 01:59:42,079
generation

3632
01:59:41,118 --> 01:59:43,839
>> of big names.

3633
01:59:42,079 --> 01:59:46,319
>> Oh, Hoy Gracie changed the world.

3634
01:59:43,840 --> 01:59:47,440
>> Yeah. With his he was a slow style

3635
01:59:46,319 --> 01:59:49,118
though, man. Like you had to have

3636
01:59:47,439 --> 01:59:51,039
patience to watch him because he'd sit

3637
01:59:49,118 --> 01:59:52,559
he just lie on his back and wait, wait,

3638
01:59:51,039 --> 01:59:54,079
wait, and enjoy. Well, with Dan Severn,

3639
01:59:52,560 --> 01:59:55,520
he did because he he had to catch him in

3640
01:59:54,079 --> 01:59:56,880
a triangle, right? And he eventually

3641
01:59:55,520 --> 01:59:58,719
tapped him and no one even understood

3642
01:59:56,880 --> 02:00:00,400
what was going on. Like, why is he he's

3643
01:59:58,719 --> 02:00:02,399
got his legs wrapped around him. What

3644
02:00:00,399 --> 02:00:04,000
the hell is going on? And then all of a

3645
02:00:02,399 --> 02:00:05,839
sudden, Dan Severn's tapping out. You're

3646
02:00:04,000 --> 02:00:08,238
like, this is crazy. So, a man who

3647
02:00:05,840 --> 02:00:09,679
weighed literally 100 pounds more than

3648
02:00:08,238 --> 02:00:11,919
him or close to it,

3649
02:00:09,679 --> 02:00:13,599
>> right? On top of him and hoist beat him.

3650
02:00:11,920 --> 02:00:15,279
>> Well, Dan Dan Severn didn't appear to

3651
02:00:13,599 --> 02:00:16,480
have any finishing moves. Like, he was

3652
02:00:15,279 --> 02:00:17,759
think I got you on your back. I've

3653
02:00:16,479 --> 02:00:19,118
pinned you. I've won the wrestling

3654
02:00:17,760 --> 02:00:20,800
match. It would kind of give you little

3655
02:00:19,118 --> 02:00:22,719
nuggies, knuckle sandwiches,

3656
02:00:20,800 --> 02:00:24,960
>> but but then of course uh eventually

3657
02:00:22,719 --> 02:00:26,319
that anaconda comes in and either chokes

3658
02:00:24,960 --> 02:00:28,239
you out or takes your arm.

3659
02:00:26,319 --> 02:00:30,719
>> Well, no one understood jiu-jitsu until

3660
02:00:28,238 --> 02:00:32,319
Hoist came around, you know, other dad,

3661
02:00:30,719 --> 02:00:33,039
wasn't it? His dad that introduced it to

3662
02:00:32,319 --> 02:00:36,238
the family.

3663
02:00:33,039 --> 02:00:38,719
>> His dad and his uh uncle. So, it was it

3664
02:00:36,238 --> 02:00:40,799
was Carlos Gracie and Ilio Gracie who

3665
02:00:38,719 --> 02:00:42,800
were the real founders of Brazilian

3666
02:00:40,800 --> 02:00:45,119
jiu-jitsu and then Carlson Gracie.

3667
02:00:42,800 --> 02:00:47,199
>> Okay. And those guys were the pioneers.

3668
02:00:45,118 --> 02:00:48,960
And they were having no rules fights in

3669
02:00:47,198 --> 02:00:49,519
the 1930s and 40s.

3670
02:00:48,960 --> 02:00:50,000
>> Wow.

3671
02:00:49,520 --> 02:00:52,159
>> Yeah.

3672
02:00:50,000 --> 02:00:55,279
>> And did they bring it over from Japan?

3673
02:00:52,158 --> 02:00:58,638
>> Um, Miada brought it over from Japan and

3674
02:00:55,279 --> 02:01:01,599
they taught the Gracies. And then um,

3675
02:00:58,639 --> 02:01:04,400
you know, Ilio Gracie famously had a

3676
02:01:01,599 --> 02:01:08,159
match with Kimura, who was a Japanese

3677
02:01:04,399 --> 02:01:10,399
judoka who broke Ilio's arm with a

3678
02:01:08,158 --> 02:01:11,839
kamura. And that's how that that

3679
02:01:10,399 --> 02:01:12,960
technique that's why it's called a

3680
02:01:11,840 --> 02:01:14,800
kimura. Really?

3681
02:01:12,960 --> 02:01:16,158
>> Uh yeah, in catch wrestling they call it

3682
02:01:14,800 --> 02:01:16,560
a double wrist lock.

3683
02:01:16,158 --> 02:01:19,359
>> Okay.

3684
02:01:16,560 --> 02:01:22,480
>> But we call it a kamura because Kamura

3685
02:01:19,359 --> 02:01:25,198
broke Ilio Graciey's arm with this. Ilio

3686
02:01:22,479 --> 02:01:27,039
just refused to tap and it's like and

3687
02:01:25,198 --> 02:01:28,000
and eventually it snapped his arm.

3688
02:01:27,039 --> 02:01:29,599
>> Wow. That's incredible.

3689
02:01:28,000 --> 02:01:32,479
>> You know, they're having these long no

3690
02:01:29,599 --> 02:01:35,840
rules fights in Brazil long before

3691
02:01:32,479 --> 02:01:39,359
anybody had any idea what MMA was in

3692
02:01:35,840 --> 02:01:41,360
America. And then Hoist's brother Hixon

3693
02:01:39,359 --> 02:01:43,519
who was the best out of all of them.

3694
02:01:41,359 --> 02:01:46,319
Hixon was fighting people when he was 18

3695
02:01:43,520 --> 02:01:47,440
in like these big arenas really in

3696
02:01:46,319 --> 02:01:50,479
Brazil. Yeah.

3697
02:01:47,439 --> 02:01:52,879
>> Unbelievable. And then they then I guess

3698
02:01:50,479 --> 02:01:55,198
Dana White brought it in with UFC and

3699
02:01:52,880 --> 02:01:58,239
>> No, it wasn't Dana. It was uh there

3700
02:01:55,198 --> 02:02:01,039
there was another organization before uh

3701
02:01:58,238 --> 02:02:03,519
Zufa owned the UFC and this other

3702
02:02:01,039 --> 02:02:06,158
organization they started it with Hen

3703
02:02:03,520 --> 02:02:08,960
Gracie. So Hen Gracie was the guy who

3704
02:02:06,158 --> 02:02:10,479
founded the UFC. Okay. And originally

3705
02:02:08,960 --> 02:02:12,000
they were talking about putting like a

3706
02:02:10,479 --> 02:02:14,000
moat around the cage and having

3707
02:02:12,000 --> 02:02:16,639
crocodiles in it and [ __ ] They wanted

3708
02:02:14,000 --> 02:02:19,279
it to be like completely insane because

3709
02:02:16,639 --> 02:02:21,118
what it was for Hian, Hian's a brilliant

3710
02:02:19,279 --> 02:02:24,079
man. And what what for him what he

3711
02:02:21,118 --> 02:02:25,598
wanted was to promote jiu-jitsu and he's

3712
02:02:24,079 --> 02:02:27,519
like this is going to be the best way to

3713
02:02:25,599 --> 02:02:30,000
open up schools all over the country and

3714
02:02:27,520 --> 02:02:30,560
to show this art that my father had

3715
02:02:30,000 --> 02:02:33,279
created.

3716
02:02:30,560 --> 02:02:35,840
>> Right? So they had really taken some of

3717
02:02:33,279 --> 02:02:38,880
the ground techniques of judo and really

3718
02:02:35,840 --> 02:02:40,400
refined them to a razor sharp edge. And

3719
02:02:38,880 --> 02:02:42,960
and also one of the things that helped a

3720
02:02:40,399 --> 02:02:46,399
lot was that Ilio was a small man. He

3721
02:02:42,960 --> 02:02:48,719
was only like 145 lbs. And so he had to

3722
02:02:46,399 --> 02:02:51,359
use only technique and leverage. He

3723
02:02:48,719 --> 02:02:54,480
couldn't rely on brute strength. And so

3724
02:02:51,359 --> 02:02:57,279
it was one of the best sort of

3725
02:02:54,479 --> 02:02:59,359
advertisements is to have hoist who was

3726
02:02:57,279 --> 02:03:01,439
also fairly small. Oh, he's only 175

3727
02:02:59,359 --> 02:03:04,079
lbs. Beat all these big giant

3728
02:03:01,439 --> 02:03:05,198
musclebound guys with pure technique cuz

3729
02:03:04,079 --> 02:03:06,238
they didn't understand what he was

3730
02:03:05,198 --> 02:03:07,678
doing. And he was like, "This is going

3731
02:03:06,238 --> 02:03:10,158
to be brilliant. This is going to" And

3732
02:03:07,679 --> 02:03:12,639
it worked. I mean, the the the name

3733
02:03:10,158 --> 02:03:13,839
Gracie and Jiu-Jitsu are synonymous.

3734
02:03:12,639 --> 02:03:16,000
>> It's everywhere now. Like, we even have

3735
02:03:13,840 --> 02:03:17,679
them in Canada where these these schools

3736
02:03:16,000 --> 02:03:19,920
will have the Gracie name and obviously

3737
02:03:17,679 --> 02:03:21,760
they have no attachment to Gracie uh

3738
02:03:19,920 --> 02:03:23,118
your the Brazilian Gracies, but

3739
02:03:21,760 --> 02:03:24,960
everybody wants to learn the Gracie

3740
02:03:23,118 --> 02:03:28,000
style. Well, they probably do have a

3741
02:03:24,960 --> 02:03:29,840
like Gracie Baja, which is a huge uh

3742
02:03:28,000 --> 02:03:31,359
affiliate of gyms. They're all over the

3743
02:03:29,840 --> 02:03:32,000
country, the world. They're everywhere.

3744
02:03:31,359 --> 02:03:34,319
>> Are they good?

3745
02:03:32,000 --> 02:03:36,079
>> Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, there's like

3746
02:03:34,319 --> 02:03:37,840
it's very difficult to have a bad

3747
02:03:36,079 --> 02:03:38,960
jiu-jitsu gym today.

3748
02:03:37,840 --> 02:03:39,440
>> Why is that? Because they're so

3749
02:03:38,960 --> 02:03:41,118
competitive.

3750
02:03:39,439 --> 02:03:43,359
>> It's too competitive. There's too many

3751
02:03:41,118 --> 02:03:45,598
good people. There's too many good gyms.

3752
02:03:43,359 --> 02:03:47,920
Like in Austin alone, Austin alone has

3753
02:03:45,599 --> 02:03:48,960
like 10 amazing jiu-jitsu schools.

3754
02:03:47,920 --> 02:03:50,719
>> Is that right? Oh, yeah.

3755
02:03:48,960 --> 02:03:51,840
>> Do you go Do you go enroll quite often?

3756
02:03:50,719 --> 02:03:53,439
There's a place right up the street,

3757
02:03:51,840 --> 02:03:54,880
10th Planet Jiu-Jitsu, which is the

3758
02:03:53,439 --> 02:03:56,158
school that I started with. Okay.

3759
02:03:54,880 --> 02:03:57,599
>> In California. Well, I started with the

3760
02:03:56,158 --> 02:03:59,039
Mach. Well, I actually started with

3761
02:03:57,599 --> 02:04:00,719
Hicks and Gra I started

3762
02:03:59,039 --> 02:04:03,359
>> I started with Hicks and Gracie and then

3763
02:04:00,719 --> 02:04:04,960
I went to Carlson Gracie and then I and

3764
02:04:03,359 --> 02:04:06,479
that was just cuz I didn't know there

3765
02:04:04,960 --> 02:04:08,000
was any difference in the Gracies and

3766
02:04:06,479 --> 02:04:09,039
then Carlson Gracie was closer to my

3767
02:04:08,000 --> 02:04:10,479
house. I like, oh, I'll go to this

3768
02:04:09,039 --> 02:04:11,519
Gracie place. It's closer. This is when

3769
02:04:10,479 --> 02:04:14,319
I was a white belt. I didn't know

3770
02:04:11,520 --> 02:04:16,080
anything. And then when they closed,

3771
02:04:14,319 --> 02:04:18,479
when that gym closed, then I went to

3772
02:04:16,079 --> 02:04:21,198
Jeanjac Machadoo. And so I started

3773
02:04:18,479 --> 02:04:23,678
training there in 1998. And that was um

3774
02:04:21,198 --> 02:04:26,479
that was in uh the valley in California.

3775
02:04:23,679 --> 02:04:28,960
Uh but then um one of John Jock's black

3776
02:04:26,479 --> 02:04:30,959
belts, my best friend Eddie Bravo, he

3777
02:04:28,960 --> 02:04:32,480
started 10th planet jiu-jitsu and then I

3778
02:04:30,960 --> 02:04:34,960
I trained there as well.

3779
02:04:32,479 --> 02:04:37,039
>> Okay. And in Canada with we see a lot of

3780
02:04:34,960 --> 02:04:38,880
places where they do Muay Thai and

3781
02:04:37,039 --> 02:04:40,479
jiu-jitsu. So you get your striking and

3782
02:04:38,880 --> 02:04:42,239
your grappling all in one.

3783
02:04:40,479 --> 02:04:42,399
>> Ted Planet here has a Muay Thai program.

3784
02:04:42,238 --> 02:04:44,079
Oh,

3785
02:04:42,399 --> 02:04:44,879
>> is that right? So that's now a lot of

3786
02:04:44,079 --> 02:04:46,319
those gyms have that.

3787
02:04:44,880 --> 02:04:47,840
>> And you went to your first as a

3788
02:04:46,319 --> 02:04:48,639
commentator. You did it like for free,

3789
02:04:47,840 --> 02:04:51,840
didn't you?

3790
02:04:48,639 --> 02:04:54,719
>> No. No, I I got paid in the early days

3791
02:04:51,840 --> 02:04:57,279
in the 90s in the in 1997, but it wasn't

3792
02:04:54,719 --> 02:05:01,198
much. I was losing money. But when the

3793
02:04:57,279 --> 02:05:04,639
UFC was purchased by Zufa in 2001, that

3794
02:05:01,198 --> 02:05:07,039
was when I was on Fear Factor and I met

3795
02:05:04,639 --> 02:05:09,440
Dana White and I became friends with him

3796
02:05:07,039 --> 02:05:11,679
and he asked me as a favor to do

3797
02:05:09,439 --> 02:05:15,598
commentary on this one show that they

3798
02:05:11,679 --> 02:05:18,399
had, UFC 37 and a half. It was on Fox

3799
02:05:15,599 --> 02:05:20,319
Sports, whatever it was, the there was a

3800
02:05:18,399 --> 02:05:22,960
cable channel. So, it was best damn

3801
02:05:20,319 --> 02:05:24,479
sports show, period. Had this UFC show

3802
02:05:22,960 --> 02:05:26,000
and he said, "Would you do me a favor

3803
02:05:24,479 --> 02:05:26,559
and just do commentary on this one

3804
02:05:26,000 --> 02:05:28,079
event, right?"

3805
02:05:26,560 --> 02:05:29,280
>> And I said, "Okay, I'll do it for this

3806
02:05:28,079 --> 02:05:30,079
one." Then he's like, "I want you to do

3807
02:05:29,279 --> 02:05:33,439
it again."

3808
02:05:30,079 --> 02:05:34,800
>> And then I was like, "Okay." So, I I I

3809
02:05:33,439 --> 02:05:36,399
was like, I just wanted to do it for

3810
02:05:34,800 --> 02:05:38,320
fun. Like, for me, it's like I like

3811
02:05:36,399 --> 02:05:40,559
going to the fights and I like going

3812
02:05:38,319 --> 02:05:43,198
with my friends and having a good time.

3813
02:05:40,560 --> 02:05:45,199
And I did like the first 15 of them for

3814
02:05:43,198 --> 02:05:47,039
free. I just they I knew they were

3815
02:05:45,198 --> 02:05:47,279
hemorrhaging money and I didn't need any

3816
02:05:47,039 --> 02:05:48,800
money.

3817
02:05:47,279 --> 02:05:50,399
>> But you loved it. You love being there.

3818
02:05:48,800 --> 02:05:52,960
It was like a kid in a candy store.

3819
02:05:50,399 --> 02:05:55,598
>> Well, also was very happy to try to

3820
02:05:52,960 --> 02:05:57,439
promote this thing because for me it was

3821
02:05:55,599 --> 02:05:59,279
the ultimate expression of martial arts.

3822
02:05:57,439 --> 02:06:00,079
Like we need to find out what's the best

3823
02:05:59,279 --> 02:06:02,399
style, right?

3824
02:06:00,079 --> 02:06:05,760
>> And I had kind of I had been so

3825
02:06:02,399 --> 02:06:07,759
engrossed in that world in Japan with

3826
02:06:05,760 --> 02:06:08,880
Pride and all these other organizations

3827
02:06:07,760 --> 02:06:10,320
that they had over there. And

3828
02:06:08,880 --> 02:06:12,000
>> it's like what happens if an alligator

3829
02:06:10,319 --> 02:06:14,000
fights with a tiger? What happens when a

3830
02:06:12,000 --> 02:06:15,279
lion fights with a bear? We got to match

3831
02:06:14,000 --> 02:06:17,359
them up and find out.

3832
02:06:15,279 --> 02:06:20,158
>> Well, it's humans versus humans. So,

3833
02:06:17,359 --> 02:06:21,279
it's just style

3834
02:06:20,158 --> 02:06:23,279
because you didn't want to waste your

3835
02:06:21,279 --> 02:06:24,960
time doing something that didn't work.

3836
02:06:23,279 --> 02:06:27,118
And there was a lot of people that waste

3837
02:06:24,960 --> 02:06:28,960
their time doing stuff that didn't work.

3838
02:06:27,118 --> 02:06:30,799
>> And we didn't really know what that was

3839
02:06:28,960 --> 02:06:34,000
until the UFC came along. And then we're

3840
02:06:30,800 --> 02:06:36,800
like, oh. And now the evolution of

3841
02:06:34,000 --> 02:06:41,439
martial arts from 1993 when the UFC

3842
02:06:36,800 --> 02:06:43,039
started to 2026. In those years,

3843
02:06:41,439 --> 02:06:44,479
martial arts have evolved more than they

3844
02:06:43,039 --> 02:06:46,560
have in the last 30,000 years.

3845
02:06:44,479 --> 02:06:48,718
>> Right. Well, it's like the the gap

3846
02:06:46,560 --> 02:06:53,440
between theory and practice. Yes.

3847
02:06:48,719 --> 02:06:55,359
>> And like uh Bruce Lee when he when he he

3848
02:06:53,439 --> 02:06:57,359
started Wing Chun, but he said that a

3849
02:06:55,359 --> 02:07:00,000
lot of it was just or ornamental. And he

3850
02:06:57,359 --> 02:07:01,279
called it dryland swimming.

3851
02:07:00,000 --> 02:07:03,520
>> It's like, you know, you wouldn't

3852
02:07:01,279 --> 02:07:06,960
actually do that in a fight. And then he

3853
02:07:03,520 --> 02:07:09,040
got into a lot of um contention with the

3854
02:07:06,960 --> 02:07:10,880
the scholars of the art form. It's a

3855
02:07:09,039 --> 02:07:12,639
very beautiful art form, Wing Chung, but

3856
02:07:10,880 --> 02:07:14,078
I don't know if it I can't imagine it

3857
02:07:12,639 --> 02:07:16,239
works that well in fight.

3858
02:07:14,078 --> 02:07:16,880
>> It is Wing Chong is effective. There's a

3859
02:07:16,238 --> 02:07:18,479
lot of techniques.

3860
02:07:16,880 --> 02:07:21,039
>> If you got into a fist fight between

3861
02:07:18,479 --> 02:07:21,919
like a Muay Thai guy and a Wing Chung

3862
02:07:21,039 --> 02:07:23,439
guy, who would come out on

3863
02:07:21,920 --> 02:07:25,039
>> the Muay Thai guy, but it doesn't mean

3864
02:07:23,439 --> 02:07:28,000
that Wing Chong's not effective. And you

3865
02:07:25,039 --> 02:07:29,840
could use Wing Chong in Muay Thai or in

3866
02:07:28,000 --> 02:07:31,359
an MMA fight. But you have to know

3867
02:07:29,840 --> 02:07:33,440
everything. That's the reality of it.

3868
02:07:31,359 --> 02:07:36,319
It's like taekwondo. Like taekwondo is

3869
02:07:33,439 --> 02:07:38,638
not effective by itself in an MMA fight.

3870
02:07:36,319 --> 02:07:41,118
But if you know MMA and you know

3871
02:07:38,639 --> 02:07:43,039
taekwondo, then you could do like what

3872
02:07:41,118 --> 02:07:44,238
Edson Barbosa did to Terry Edam and

3873
02:07:43,039 --> 02:07:47,359
knock him out with a wheel kick in

3874
02:07:44,238 --> 02:07:49,118
spectacular fashion. Like

3875
02:07:47,359 --> 02:07:51,039
has like a big blend, right? Like you

3876
02:07:49,118 --> 02:07:51,519
get some some Muay Thai, some karate,

3877
02:07:51,039 --> 02:07:52,319
some

3878
02:07:51,520 --> 02:07:55,040
>> Yes.

3879
02:07:52,319 --> 02:07:57,039
>> That's what MMA is. Mixed martial arts.

3880
02:07:55,039 --> 02:07:59,679
I mean it's like you take all and that's

3881
02:07:57,039 --> 02:08:01,760
Bruce Lee's philosophy. Absorb what's

3882
02:07:59,679 --> 02:08:04,000
useful. I mean, he was the real first

3883
02:08:01,760 --> 02:08:06,000
mixed martial artist and when it was

3884
02:08:04,000 --> 02:08:07,760
very dangerous to do that because people

3885
02:08:06,000 --> 02:08:09,279
hated him. I mean, they would attack

3886
02:08:07,760 --> 02:08:11,199
him. He would have he would have to have

3887
02:08:09,279 --> 02:08:12,719
fights with people because they they

3888
02:08:11,198 --> 02:08:13,279
thought that he was disrespecting their

3889
02:08:12,719 --> 02:08:13,599
art,

3890
02:08:13,279 --> 02:08:16,238
>> right?

3891
02:08:13,599 --> 02:08:18,400
>> You know, and he combined western boxing

3892
02:08:16,238 --> 02:08:20,479
and wrestling. He learned judo from Gene

3893
02:08:18,399 --> 02:08:23,198
Leel. He learned things from everybody.

3894
02:08:20,479 --> 02:08:25,039
He learned karate, sav. He learned all

3895
02:08:23,198 --> 02:08:26,960
these different martial arts and was

3896
02:08:25,039 --> 02:08:30,238
absorbing what's useful and putting his

3897
02:08:26,960 --> 02:08:32,000
own. So J Kundo his style was really the

3898
02:08:30,238 --> 02:08:32,559
first mixed martial arts style.

3899
02:08:32,000 --> 02:08:32,880
>> Is that right?

3900
02:08:32,560 --> 02:08:34,320
>> Yeah.

3901
02:08:32,880 --> 02:08:36,000
>> Do people use it anymore?

3902
02:08:34,319 --> 02:08:39,439
>> Well, yeah. There's J Kundo schools.

3903
02:08:36,000 --> 02:08:42,399
Sure. Yeah. Yeah. I mean I mean a lot of

3904
02:08:39,439 --> 02:08:44,960
what Krab Magazi martial art is like

3905
02:08:42,399 --> 02:08:47,039
kind of a a combination of things along

3906
02:08:44,960 --> 02:08:47,279
the same lines of the way Bruce Lee did

3907
02:08:47,039 --> 02:08:50,560
it.

3908
02:08:47,279 --> 02:08:51,840
>> Is it is Krab Mra a good effective

3909
02:08:50,560 --> 02:08:54,639
martial arts system?

3910
02:08:51,840 --> 02:08:56,239
>> Every martial art system is effective if

3911
02:08:54,639 --> 02:09:01,520
you have a great instructor. Okay.

3912
02:08:56,238 --> 02:09:03,678
>> Right. But on their own, like the best

3913
02:09:01,520 --> 02:09:05,360
styles are the really strong styles like

3914
02:09:03,679 --> 02:09:07,279
jiu-jitsu, Muay Thai, wrestling. Those

3915
02:09:05,359 --> 02:09:09,439
are the best sty western boxing. Those

3916
02:09:07,279 --> 02:09:12,158
are the best styles on their own. Okay.

3917
02:09:09,439 --> 02:09:14,559
But what Krab Magga is is a combination

3918
02:09:12,158 --> 02:09:16,879
of all those styles. And so if you have

3919
02:09:14,560 --> 02:09:18,960
a great instructor in Krab Magga, yeah,

3920
02:09:16,880 --> 02:09:20,800
you'll you'll learn great Muay Thai,

3921
02:09:18,960 --> 02:09:22,719
you'll learn great jiu-jitsu, you it's

3922
02:09:20,800 --> 02:09:24,800
essentially mixed martial arts, but with

3923
02:09:22,719 --> 02:09:27,198
a lot of emphasis on real world

3924
02:09:24,800 --> 02:09:29,760
application, street fights, you know,

3925
02:09:27,198 --> 02:09:31,118
dirty stuff like eye gouging, you know,

3926
02:09:29,760 --> 02:09:32,239
poking people in the eye, kicking them

3927
02:09:31,118 --> 02:09:33,920
in the nuts. Yikes.

3928
02:09:32,238 --> 02:09:36,000
>> Stuff that works. But that's what you

3929
02:09:33,920 --> 02:09:37,359
like. You see it in an MMA fight all the

3930
02:09:36,000 --> 02:09:38,960
time. A guy gets poked in the eye. He's

3931
02:09:37,359 --> 02:09:41,519
like, "Hey, hang on." And he has to

3932
02:09:38,960 --> 02:09:43,118
stop. Like punched and it's against

3933
02:09:41,520 --> 02:09:46,480
rules. So, this guy's getting punched

3934
02:09:43,118 --> 02:09:48,158
and kicked. And look, Tom Aspenol, he

3935
02:09:46,479 --> 02:09:49,919
was in the heavyweight title fight and

3936
02:09:48,158 --> 02:09:51,598
he got eye poked in the first round.

3937
02:09:49,920 --> 02:09:53,440
He's had to have two surgeries since

3938
02:09:51,599 --> 02:09:54,719
then on his eyes and he hasn't been able

3939
02:09:53,439 --> 02:09:56,399
to fight. They had to stop the fight in

3940
02:09:54,719 --> 02:09:57,039
the first round from an eye poke.

3941
02:09:56,399 --> 02:09:58,879
>> My god.

3942
02:09:57,039 --> 02:10:00,560
>> It's very effective. But in crowd mag,

3943
02:09:58,880 --> 02:10:03,039
they're like go for the eyes. Bang. Cuz

3944
02:10:00,560 --> 02:10:05,679
in a real world fight for your life

3945
02:10:03,039 --> 02:10:06,960
scenario technique. I mean, it's for the

3946
02:10:05,679 --> 02:10:09,039
Israeli military I think.

3947
02:10:06,960 --> 02:10:11,359
>> Exactly. So they have to prepare for,

3948
02:10:09,039 --> 02:10:13,679
you know, unusual situations where where

3949
02:10:11,359 --> 02:10:15,359
you're trying to survive in a in a, you

3950
02:10:13,679 --> 02:10:17,118
know, a situation where your arm has

3951
02:10:15,359 --> 02:10:18,399
been your your weapon has been removed

3952
02:10:17,118 --> 02:10:19,198
and you're and you're just trying to

3953
02:10:18,399 --> 02:10:20,719
fight for your life.

3954
02:10:19,198 --> 02:10:22,399
>> Exactly. Well, just in your in a

3955
02:10:20,719 --> 02:10:24,639
situation with hand handtoh hand combat,

3956
02:10:22,399 --> 02:10:26,638
you need to learn how you need to know

3957
02:10:24,639 --> 02:10:28,239
every you need if a guy takes you down,

3958
02:10:26,639 --> 02:10:29,920
you can't be lost. Oh, we have to get

3959
02:10:28,238 --> 02:10:31,039
back up so I can fight. No, you have to

3960
02:10:29,920 --> 02:10:32,719
be able to fight on the ground. And

3961
02:10:31,039 --> 02:10:35,439
that's the idea of it. like incorporate

3962
02:10:32,719 --> 02:10:38,960
jiu-jitsu, incorporate leg kicks, Muay

3963
02:10:35,439 --> 02:10:41,359
Thai, western boxing, even jundo

3964
02:10:38,960 --> 02:10:43,198
techniques, even wing chong techniques.

3965
02:10:41,359 --> 02:10:45,359
There's a lot of hand trapping and

3966
02:10:43,198 --> 02:10:46,799
things in Wing Chong that can be very

3967
02:10:45,359 --> 02:10:50,559
>> It looks really cool what they do with

3968
02:10:46,800 --> 02:10:52,159
that wooden uh that wooden uh dummy.

3969
02:10:50,560 --> 02:10:53,039
It looks

3970
02:10:52,158 --> 02:10:54,719
>> Exactly.

3971
02:10:53,039 --> 02:10:56,479
>> I've never really got into that, but if

3972
02:10:54,719 --> 02:10:58,000
you do get into that, you'll learn

3973
02:10:56,479 --> 02:10:58,799
blocking techniques and you'll learn

3974
02:10:58,000 --> 02:10:59,679
>> that actually work.

3975
02:10:58,800 --> 02:11:02,719
>> Yeah, sure.

3976
02:10:59,679 --> 02:11:04,399
>> Okay. But you they'll work if you know

3977
02:11:02,719 --> 02:11:05,760
the other stuff. They won't work if a

3978
02:11:04,399 --> 02:11:07,598
guy just shoots a double on you and

3979
02:11:05,760 --> 02:11:08,639
takes you down and starts pounding you.

3980
02:11:07,599 --> 02:11:10,880
You don't know what to do when you're on

3981
02:11:08,639 --> 02:11:13,679
the bottom, right? You have to know how

3982
02:11:10,880 --> 02:11:15,679
to and this is what really MMA has

3983
02:11:13,679 --> 02:11:17,920
taught the world. It's like you have to

3984
02:11:15,679 --> 02:11:19,679
be able to defend yourself everywhere.

3985
02:11:17,920 --> 02:11:22,078
Standing up on the ground, you have to

3986
02:11:19,679 --> 02:11:23,520
be effective in all the realms,

3987
02:11:22,078 --> 02:11:26,000
>> right? But still, we have a lot of

3988
02:11:23,520 --> 02:11:28,079
people that are pure specialists that do

3989
02:11:26,000 --> 02:11:30,960
really well in mixed martial arts

3990
02:11:28,078 --> 02:11:33,279
because they're so good in one area,

3991
02:11:30,960 --> 02:11:34,960
like Alex Pereira, who is the

3992
02:11:33,279 --> 02:11:36,158
middleweight champion, light heavyweight

3993
02:11:34,960 --> 02:11:36,960
champion, and now he's going up to

3994
02:11:36,158 --> 02:11:38,799
heavyweight, and he's going to be

3995
02:11:36,960 --> 02:11:40,158
fighting at the White House card. Alex

3996
02:11:38,800 --> 02:11:42,320
Pereira is one of the greatest

3997
02:11:40,158 --> 02:11:44,399
kickboxers of all time. He's a two

3998
02:11:42,319 --> 02:11:47,439
division world champion in kickboxer,

3999
02:11:44,399 --> 02:11:48,960
but his style is all kickboxing, but he

4000
02:11:47,439 --> 02:11:50,719
just developed takedown defense.

4001
02:11:48,960 --> 02:11:52,480
>> He can do it all. He can do it all,

4002
02:11:50,719 --> 02:11:53,840
>> but he doesn't submit anybody. If you're

4003
02:11:52,479 --> 02:11:55,519
fighting him, you're going to get you're

4004
02:11:53,840 --> 02:11:57,119
going to get it's going to be a stand up

4005
02:11:55,520 --> 02:11:58,639
fight. Unless you could take him down,

4006
02:11:57,118 --> 02:12:00,158
he's not going to try to take you down.

4007
02:11:58,639 --> 02:12:01,520
He's going to try to [ __ ] you up. He's

4008
02:12:00,158 --> 02:12:02,078
going to try to knock you into another

4009
02:12:01,520 --> 02:12:03,840
dimension.

4010
02:12:02,078 --> 02:12:05,359
>> Thanks for the warning. I'll try to

4011
02:12:03,840 --> 02:12:05,679
avoid the guy if I see him on the

4012
02:12:05,359 --> 02:12:06,399
street.

4013
02:12:05,679 --> 02:12:07,679
>> Terrifying.

4014
02:12:06,399 --> 02:12:09,839
>> The funniest thing I ever saw was

4015
02:12:07,679 --> 02:12:12,319
there's this video of of Jon Jones on

4016
02:12:09,840 --> 02:12:14,639
the street somewhere and he he he bumped

4017
02:12:12,319 --> 02:12:16,639
into he was talking and he he leaned on

4018
02:12:14,639 --> 02:12:18,319
some guy's motorcycle. I think I he

4019
02:12:16,639 --> 02:12:20,480
might have been in in Asia or something.

4020
02:12:18,319 --> 02:12:21,599
The guy had no idea who he was and he

4021
02:12:20,479 --> 02:12:22,238
started screaming at him.

4022
02:12:21,599 --> 02:12:24,960
>> Oh no.

4023
02:12:22,238 --> 02:12:26,718
>> And John said, "I'm very, very sorry."

4024
02:12:24,960 --> 02:12:28,480
And he turned around, he ran away like

4025
02:12:26,719 --> 02:12:30,078
he was terrified. And it was just

4026
02:12:28,479 --> 02:12:31,919
obviously he wasn't in any danger. But

4027
02:12:30,078 --> 02:12:33,679
it was so hilarious that this guy had no

4028
02:12:31,920 --> 02:12:36,239
idea who he was picking a fight with.

4029
02:12:33,679 --> 02:12:38,239
>> That's hilarious. The guy has no idea.

4030
02:12:36,238 --> 02:12:40,078
His life flashed before his eyes.

4031
02:12:38,238 --> 02:12:40,879
>> But he but he he took it well because he

4032
02:12:40,078 --> 02:12:41,599
was like, you know, I don't have

4033
02:12:40,880 --> 02:12:43,039
anything to prove.

4034
02:12:41,599 --> 02:12:44,880
>> Yeah. John's not the type of guy that

4035
02:12:43,039 --> 02:12:46,560
would do anything to I mean all also

4036
02:12:44,880 --> 02:12:48,319
what a lawsuit, you know.

4037
02:12:46,560 --> 02:12:50,320
>> Oh yeah. Your your hands are weapons.

4038
02:12:48,319 --> 02:12:52,799
>> I mean, his whole body is a weapon,

4039
02:12:50,319 --> 02:12:53,679
>> but most of those guys are really nice

4040
02:12:52,800 --> 02:12:54,320
guys in real life.

4041
02:12:53,679 --> 02:12:55,840
>> Is that right?

4042
02:12:54,319 --> 02:12:57,118
>> Yeah. Because they get all their

4043
02:12:55,840 --> 02:12:59,920
aggression out. They don't have anything

4044
02:12:57,118 --> 02:13:01,359
to prove. They're not the type of per

4045
02:12:59,920 --> 02:13:02,560
they know what they can do. They don't

4046
02:13:01,359 --> 02:13:03,920
have to prove it to anybody. They

4047
02:13:02,560 --> 02:13:05,440
>> Well, you should come to Winnipeg. They

4048
02:13:03,920 --> 02:13:07,679
They have a fight coming up. I think

4049
02:13:05,439 --> 02:13:08,158
it's in uh I think it's in April. It's

4050
02:13:07,679 --> 02:13:10,480
in April.

4051
02:13:08,158 --> 02:13:11,519
>> A UFC in in Winnipeg. Yeah. I've avoided

4052
02:13:10,479 --> 02:13:12,559
UFC's in Canada.

4053
02:13:11,520 --> 02:13:13,920
>> Well, come on up. I

4054
02:13:12,560 --> 02:13:14,960
>> I've avoided it just because of the

4055
02:13:13,920 --> 02:13:16,399
government. Just because of what was

4056
02:13:14,960 --> 02:13:17,439
going on as a protest. So, I was like,

4057
02:13:16,399 --> 02:13:18,559
"This is so fucked."

4058
02:13:17,439 --> 02:13:20,238
>> Well, we'll come back up and

4059
02:13:18,560 --> 02:13:20,800
>> Well, if you win, I'll go up there.

4060
02:13:20,238 --> 02:13:21,839
>> How about that?

4061
02:13:20,800 --> 02:13:23,279
>> We should get you up before

4062
02:13:21,840 --> 02:13:25,440
>> you become prime minister. I promise

4063
02:13:23,279 --> 02:13:26,078
I'll do all the UFC events that they

4064
02:13:25,439 --> 02:13:28,319
have in Canada.

4065
02:13:26,078 --> 02:13:30,238
>> We need you up in Canada to come uh come

4066
02:13:28,319 --> 02:13:31,599
do one of your comedy shows and uh it

4067
02:13:30,238 --> 02:13:32,799
would be great for tour.

4068
02:13:31,599 --> 02:13:34,078
>> I love going up there. I used to love

4069
02:13:32,800 --> 02:13:34,400
going to Massie Hall.

4070
02:13:34,078 --> 02:13:36,960
>> Yeah.

4071
02:13:34,399 --> 02:13:39,039
>> I I used to Toronto. Yeah. I I love

4072
02:13:36,960 --> 02:13:41,279
performing there. I did um

4073
02:13:39,039 --> 02:13:42,800
>> You used to do Montreal and

4074
02:13:41,279 --> 02:13:44,960
>> and uh How old were you when you were in

4075
02:13:42,800 --> 02:13:46,800
Montreal? Oh, I started I think the

4076
02:13:44,960 --> 02:13:47,599
first time I was up there, I was like

4077
02:13:46,800 --> 02:13:49,679
25.

4078
02:13:47,599 --> 02:13:50,159
>> Such a beautiful city, eh? It's gorgeous

4079
02:13:49,679 --> 02:13:52,000
there.

4080
02:13:50,158 --> 02:13:53,359
>> Oh, I love that. Quebec is lovely. It's

4081
02:13:52,000 --> 02:13:55,520
amazing. Beautiful province.

4082
02:13:53,359 --> 02:13:56,639
>> Amazing food. Shout out to Joe Beef. One

4083
02:13:55,520 --> 02:13:58,000
of my favorite restaurants in the world

4084
02:13:56,639 --> 02:14:00,560
that's in Montreal.

4085
02:13:58,000 --> 02:14:02,000
>> Yeah, they're uh Montreal is a great

4086
02:14:00,560 --> 02:14:03,760
place. And you should come out to the

4087
02:14:02,000 --> 02:14:04,719
Prairies, too. Go to the Calgary

4088
02:14:03,760 --> 02:14:05,920
Stampede.

4089
02:14:04,719 --> 02:14:06,158
>> I've heard that's awesome. Oh, it's

4090
02:14:05,920 --> 02:14:07,920
amazing.

4091
02:14:06,158 --> 02:14:10,399
>> I've been to Edmonton. I've been to

4092
02:14:07,920 --> 02:14:12,960
Alberta. Yeah. performed in Edmonton a

4093
02:14:10,399 --> 02:14:13,679
few times and um I've I've hunted in

4094
02:14:12,960 --> 02:14:14,639
Alberta

4095
02:14:13,679 --> 02:14:17,760
>> where

4096
02:14:14,639 --> 02:14:22,639
>> um well my friends John and Jen Rivet

4097
02:14:17,760 --> 02:14:25,440
they have a they have a uh um a a guide

4098
02:14:22,639 --> 02:14:28,239
I mean they they guide people up in uh

4099
02:14:25,439 --> 02:14:30,799
northern Alberta it's all like uh you

4100
02:14:28,238 --> 02:14:32,158
know black bear hunting so it's like

4101
02:14:30,800 --> 02:14:33,599
>> there's a lot of great hunting I'm not I

4102
02:14:32,158 --> 02:14:35,118
don't hunt myself but there's a ton of

4103
02:14:33,599 --> 02:14:35,840
great hunting a lot of hunters in

4104
02:14:35,118 --> 02:14:37,839
Alberta

4105
02:14:35,840 --> 02:14:38,480
>> Oh yeah well there's talk about Alberta

4106
02:14:37,840 --> 02:14:39,360
separating

4107
02:14:38,479 --> 02:14:40,399
>> that won't happen.

4108
02:14:39,359 --> 02:14:42,719
>> What was that about?

4109
02:14:40,399 --> 02:14:45,759
>> It won't happen. Um people, some people

4110
02:14:42,719 --> 02:14:47,520
are frustrated. Uh but they, you know,

4111
02:14:45,760 --> 02:14:49,119
there's some legitimate frustrations,

4112
02:14:47,520 --> 02:14:51,920
but at the end of the day, Canada's

4113
02:14:49,118 --> 02:14:54,719
going to be united. And Albertans, I'm

4114
02:14:51,920 --> 02:14:56,239
born and raised Alberta, and Albertans

4115
02:14:54,719 --> 02:14:57,039
are seriously patriotic.

4116
02:14:56,238 --> 02:14:59,439
>> Very patriotic.

4117
02:14:57,039 --> 02:15:00,880
>> Yeah. They're great people. Hardworking.

4118
02:14:59,439 --> 02:15:03,039
>> Some of the nicest people you ever met.

4119
02:15:00,880 --> 02:15:04,239
>> They are great people in Alberta.

4120
02:15:03,039 --> 02:15:07,118
>> They are hearty people.

4121
02:15:04,238 --> 02:15:08,638
>> It's cold up there. Know how to survive.

4122
02:15:07,118 --> 02:15:10,559
>> Exactly. You got to be tough to survive

4123
02:15:08,639 --> 02:15:12,719
the cold in Canada. Carve a country like

4124
02:15:10,560 --> 02:15:14,159
we have out of that cold weather on that

4125
02:15:12,719 --> 02:15:17,039
big open land.

4126
02:15:14,158 --> 02:15:19,519
>> Um but uh people just keep on going and

4127
02:15:17,039 --> 02:15:21,439
uh Alberta's got a real kind of rugged

4128
02:15:19,520 --> 02:15:24,320
uh individualism

4129
02:15:21,439 --> 02:15:26,158
and uh people uh people love their their

4130
02:15:24,319 --> 02:15:28,559
agriculture. There's great ranches in

4131
02:15:26,158 --> 02:15:29,759
Alberta, beautiful grasslands in

4132
02:15:28,560 --> 02:15:31,280
Saskatchewan.

4133
02:15:29,760 --> 02:15:31,520
>> Doesn't Brock Lesnar have a place up

4134
02:15:31,279 --> 02:15:32,719
there?

4135
02:15:31,520 --> 02:15:35,040
>> I did I didn't know that.

4136
02:15:32,719 --> 02:15:36,880
>> I think Brock Lesnar bought land in

4137
02:15:35,039 --> 02:15:37,279
Alberta. Really? I think he owns a ranch

4138
02:15:36,880 --> 02:15:38,719
up there.

4139
02:15:37,279 --> 02:15:40,078
>> Actually, I had heard that from

4140
02:15:38,719 --> 02:15:41,279
somebody. I've never seen him.

4141
02:15:40,078 --> 02:15:43,118
>> He fell in love with it. Well, he's a

4142
02:15:41,279 --> 02:15:44,880
big hunter as well. I think he fell in

4143
02:15:43,118 --> 02:15:46,799
love with it up there cuz it's just it's

4144
02:15:44,880 --> 02:15:47,920
so magnificent. It's so gorgeous.

4145
02:15:46,800 --> 02:15:50,000
>> It's a great country.

4146
02:15:47,920 --> 02:15:52,399
>> And the woods are so dense and beautiful

4147
02:15:50,000 --> 02:15:54,319
and you got wolves and bears and moose

4148
02:15:52,399 --> 02:15:54,719
and everything up there. It's amazing

4149
02:15:54,319 --> 02:15:56,799
country.

4150
02:15:54,719 --> 02:15:59,198
>> The the Canadian Rockies are spectacular

4151
02:15:56,800 --> 02:16:01,039
as well. They're, you know, a worldwide

4152
02:15:59,198 --> 02:16:03,118
attraction. You know, you go to Lake

4153
02:16:01,039 --> 02:16:05,359
Louise, it looks like a tropical lake

4154
02:16:03,118 --> 02:16:07,598
because it's all this runoff from the

4155
02:16:05,359 --> 02:16:08,880
mountain melt and uh you'd think you

4156
02:16:07,599 --> 02:16:10,719
were in the tropics because it's this

4157
02:16:08,880 --> 02:16:12,800
this turquoise green. That's where I

4158
02:16:10,719 --> 02:16:15,520
grew up. I I love I love Calgary. I love

4159
02:16:12,800 --> 02:16:17,199
southern Alberta. That's really my home.

4160
02:16:15,520 --> 02:16:18,719
And so uh you got to come to the

4161
02:16:17,198 --> 02:16:21,198
Stampede. Greatest outdoor show on

4162
02:16:18,719 --> 02:16:23,679
earth. A lot of Texans go up for the the

4163
02:16:21,198 --> 02:16:25,678
cuz it's a rodeo. It's a huge rodeo.

4164
02:16:23,679 --> 02:16:27,279
>> Yeah. People don't think cowboy Canada.

4165
02:16:25,679 --> 02:16:29,359
They don't think of that. But yeah,

4166
02:16:27,279 --> 02:16:29,920
>> Calgary uh they they've got some serious

4167
02:16:29,359 --> 02:16:31,759
eyes there.

4168
02:16:29,920 --> 02:16:32,960
>> No, they really do. Yeah. Look, I love

4169
02:16:31,760 --> 02:16:34,478
Canada. I just uh

4170
02:16:32,959 --> 02:16:36,879
>> if if you did your comedy show in

4171
02:16:34,478 --> 02:16:39,039
Calgary, you'd get a massive turnout.

4172
02:16:36,879 --> 02:16:39,279
>> It would be great. Think it over. See,

4173
02:16:39,040 --> 02:16:40,479
when you

4174
02:16:39,280 --> 02:16:42,800
>> Well, I was supposed to be up there

4175
02:16:40,478 --> 02:16:46,239
before co I was supposed to do a show up

4176
02:16:42,799 --> 02:16:47,840
there uh for 420 for April 20th. I was

4177
02:16:46,239 --> 02:16:49,599
going to do it in Vancouver.

4178
02:16:47,840 --> 02:16:53,280
>> That's another great city. Every year I

4179
02:16:49,599 --> 02:16:55,599
would do these uh 420 shows like these,

4180
02:16:53,280 --> 02:16:58,079
you know, 420 is the marijuana number.

4181
02:16:55,599 --> 02:16:59,040
And Canada now you you guys have legal

4182
02:16:58,079 --> 02:17:00,318
marijuana, too.

4183
02:16:59,040 --> 02:17:01,599
>> I've been legal for 10 years,

4184
02:17:00,318 --> 02:17:02,959
>> which they should have in America. It's

4185
02:17:01,599 --> 02:17:05,120
so ridiculous. They just they just

4186
02:17:02,959 --> 02:17:06,318
recently decided to make it schedule

4187
02:17:05,120 --> 02:17:07,760
three.

4188
02:17:06,318 --> 02:17:10,079
>> Is it state by state?

4189
02:17:07,760 --> 02:17:11,920
>> Yes. It's legal in a lot of states, but

4190
02:17:10,079 --> 02:17:14,478
it's still not legal federally. It's

4191
02:17:11,920 --> 02:17:16,318
goofy. If alcohol is legal, marijuana is

4192
02:17:14,478 --> 02:17:18,159
far safer. It should be legal. It's

4193
02:17:16,318 --> 02:17:20,799
ridiculous. It's also a personal freedom

4194
02:17:18,159 --> 02:17:22,959
thing. Leave people alone. It's like no

4195
02:17:20,799 --> 02:17:24,398
one's robbing banks, smoking weed, and

4196
02:17:22,959 --> 02:17:25,358
[ __ ] killing their neighbors. It's

4197
02:17:24,398 --> 02:17:26,959
crazy. It's like

4198
02:17:25,359 --> 02:17:29,599
>> that's a personal personal choice.

4199
02:17:26,959 --> 02:17:32,159
>> It's not It's not heroin. It's not

4200
02:17:29,599 --> 02:17:33,200
opiates. It's not like maybe you

4201
02:17:32,159 --> 02:17:35,039
shouldn't do it if you have mental

4202
02:17:33,200 --> 02:17:36,639
health problems, right? But there's a

4203
02:17:35,040 --> 02:17:38,719
lot of people that just like take a pot

4204
02:17:36,638 --> 02:17:40,318
gummy and go to bed and it makes them

4205
02:17:38,718 --> 02:17:42,079
sleep better. Like, leave them alone.

4206
02:17:40,318 --> 02:17:43,760
Like, leave people alone. Let let people

4207
02:17:42,079 --> 02:17:45,679
have a glass of whiskey. Let people have

4208
02:17:43,760 --> 02:17:48,559
a glass of wine with dinner. Leave them

4209
02:17:45,679 --> 02:17:51,920
alone. Like stop coming up with laws

4210
02:17:48,558 --> 02:17:54,079
where you can impose your values and

4211
02:17:51,920 --> 02:17:56,079
your morals and your judgments on other

4212
02:17:54,079 --> 02:17:57,120
people. Let them have make their own

4213
02:17:56,079 --> 02:17:58,478
personal. Look, if you want to eat a

4214
02:17:57,120 --> 02:18:00,000
[ __ ] cheeseburger, eat a

4215
02:17:58,478 --> 02:18:02,318
cheeseburger. You know, if you want to

4216
02:18:00,000 --> 02:18:04,079
go and have five Big Macs, you should be

4217
02:18:02,318 --> 02:18:05,679
able to. I don't think you should do it.

4218
02:18:04,079 --> 02:18:07,679
But I don't think there should be a law

4219
02:18:05,679 --> 02:18:09,920
stopping you. And I think that's that

4220
02:18:07,679 --> 02:18:12,000
should apply to a lot of things in life

4221
02:18:09,920 --> 02:18:14,318
and we'd be a lot better off. Well, the

4222
02:18:12,000 --> 02:18:16,079
the bottom line is if you cannot trust a

4223
02:18:14,318 --> 02:18:18,799
man to govern himself, how can you trust

4224
02:18:16,079 --> 02:18:21,200
him to govern for others? Like if if you

4225
02:18:18,799 --> 02:18:23,199
think if if you think that human nature

4226
02:18:21,200 --> 02:18:25,519
is so flawed that people cannot make

4227
02:18:23,200 --> 02:18:27,519
decisions for themselves, then how could

4228
02:18:25,519 --> 02:18:29,760
you possibly trust human nature to make

4229
02:18:27,519 --> 02:18:32,960
decisions for other people to impose

4230
02:18:29,760 --> 02:18:34,880
decisions on their lives? Uh and uh who

4231
02:18:32,959 --> 02:18:36,718
watches the watchmen? You know, we're

4232
02:18:34,879 --> 02:18:38,398
constantly told we need to be we need to

4233
02:18:36,718 --> 02:18:40,239
be kind of guided by these people from

4234
02:18:38,398 --> 02:18:41,920
ivory towers. But who are these angels

4235
02:18:40,239 --> 02:18:43,119
anyway? They're just human beings like

4236
02:18:41,920 --> 02:18:45,120
everyone else. So when you give them

4237
02:18:43,120 --> 02:18:47,280
more power and more you give them the

4238
02:18:45,120 --> 02:18:49,120
power to impose their will on on people

4239
02:18:47,280 --> 02:18:49,599
then that ultimately gets abused.

4240
02:18:49,120 --> 02:18:51,359
>> Yes.

4241
02:18:49,599 --> 02:18:52,639
>> So even you're right. Even when somebody

4242
02:18:51,359 --> 02:18:53,920
is doing something that I don't agree

4243
02:18:52,638 --> 02:18:55,438
with and I would think it would be

4244
02:18:53,920 --> 02:18:58,000
better for all of us if they didn't do

4245
02:18:55,439 --> 02:19:00,000
it. The the the mal that is done by

4246
02:18:58,000 --> 02:19:02,318
giving me the power to impose my

4247
02:19:00,000 --> 02:19:04,398
decision-m on them is worse than the

4248
02:19:02,318 --> 02:19:05,599
benefit of trying to direct them towards

4249
02:19:04,398 --> 02:19:06,398
a better decision.

4250
02:19:05,599 --> 02:19:07,760
>> Well said.

4251
02:19:06,398 --> 02:19:09,840
>> That that's my philosophy.

4252
02:19:07,760 --> 02:19:10,398
>> That's why I like you. Well, that's

4253
02:19:09,840 --> 02:19:11,439
where I got you.

4254
02:19:10,398 --> 02:19:13,039
>> Make a lot of sense.

4255
02:19:11,439 --> 02:19:14,800
>> It's pretty simple. I think all the best

4256
02:19:13,040 --> 02:19:16,719
things in life are simple. You know, we

4257
02:19:14,799 --> 02:19:19,840
over complicate things. Government is is

4258
02:19:16,718 --> 02:19:21,759
way too complicated. You know, uh I I

4259
02:19:19,840 --> 02:19:23,200
think we need to get back to the

4260
02:19:21,760 --> 02:19:26,079
simplicity. The greatest speech in the

4261
02:19:23,200 --> 02:19:29,679
English language was Abraham Lincoln's

4262
02:19:26,079 --> 02:19:33,840
Gettysburg address. 271 words. You know,

4263
02:19:29,679 --> 02:19:37,120
Einstein compressed uh uh mass and

4264
02:19:33,840 --> 02:19:39,920
energy into a five character equation.

4265
02:19:37,120 --> 02:19:41,840
Um the you know Bruce Lee was an

4266
02:19:39,920 --> 02:19:44,000
advocate of simplicity like simplicity

4267
02:19:41,840 --> 02:19:45,679
is is a virtue and I think we have to

4268
02:19:44,000 --> 02:19:49,520
get back to simplicity especially in

4269
02:19:45,679 --> 02:19:51,200
government. Simpler, clearer, easier to

4270
02:19:49,520 --> 02:19:53,840
to manage. That's the pro that's the

4271
02:19:51,200 --> 02:19:56,560
kind of the the philosophical take I I I

4272
02:19:53,840 --> 02:19:59,359
pursue. Well, I appreciate that and I I

4273
02:19:56,559 --> 02:20:02,318
think like that philosophy and that

4274
02:19:59,359 --> 02:20:04,880
perspective from a leader is what we

4275
02:20:02,318 --> 02:20:05,920
need in this world, you know, and uh

4276
02:20:04,879 --> 02:20:07,679
>> well, I think leaders have to have

4277
02:20:05,920 --> 02:20:09,760
humility because the the problem is that

4278
02:20:07,680 --> 02:20:12,318
if you are a egoomaniac and you're in

4279
02:20:09,760 --> 02:20:14,000
power anywhere in the world, then you're

4280
02:20:12,318 --> 02:20:15,760
going to want to just continually impose

4281
02:20:14,000 --> 02:20:17,920
new rules and laws to make yourself

4282
02:20:15,760 --> 02:20:20,398
bigger. Whereas, if you believe in

4283
02:20:17,920 --> 02:20:22,000
freedom, then you have to take you have

4284
02:20:20,398 --> 02:20:24,079
to be able to say to yourself, I don't

4285
02:20:22,000 --> 02:20:26,959
know better for this other person. he

4286
02:20:24,079 --> 02:20:29,280
knows better what's for him and you know

4287
02:20:26,959 --> 02:20:32,159
it's it's hard but politicians have to

4288
02:20:29,280 --> 02:20:34,239
think that they have to trust the people

4289
02:20:32,159 --> 02:20:36,000
but you know nobody wants to have he

4290
02:20:34,239 --> 02:20:37,520
left people alone on their gravestone

4291
02:20:36,000 --> 02:20:40,639
they want to think oh he built this he

4292
02:20:37,520 --> 02:20:42,479
he imposed that he made this grand uh uh

4293
02:20:40,639 --> 02:20:44,799
initiative that he imposed on the people

4294
02:20:42,478 --> 02:20:46,959
in order to have a legacy but my legacy

4295
02:20:44,799 --> 02:20:49,119
is just to let other people build their

4296
02:20:46,959 --> 02:20:51,199
legacies in their own lives

4297
02:20:49,120 --> 02:20:53,200
>> I think the idea of forging a legacy

4298
02:20:51,200 --> 02:20:54,960
based on controlling people and imposing

4299
02:20:53,200 --> 02:20:55,520
your will is ludicrous.

4300
02:20:54,959 --> 02:20:56,239
>> Exactly.

4301
02:20:55,520 --> 02:20:56,960
>> Yeah.

4302
02:20:56,239 --> 02:20:58,239
>> And uh

4303
02:20:56,959 --> 02:20:59,199
>> but the problem is history is littered

4304
02:20:58,239 --> 02:20:59,680
with people like that.

4305
02:20:59,200 --> 02:21:01,359
>> Absolutely.

4306
02:20:59,680 --> 02:21:03,680
>> Alexander the Great, Genghaskhan,

4307
02:21:01,359 --> 02:21:05,920
there's so many people that impose their

4308
02:21:03,680 --> 02:21:06,639
will and left a legacy. But is that

4309
02:21:05,920 --> 02:21:07,439
good?

4310
02:21:06,639 --> 02:21:09,920
>> I don't think it is.

4311
02:21:07,439 --> 02:21:12,479
>> It's not. And it's also they're dead.

4312
02:21:09,920 --> 02:21:14,799
This is It doesn't matter.

4313
02:21:12,478 --> 02:21:17,358
>> Nobody Nobody walked by walked by one of

4314
02:21:14,799 --> 02:21:18,719
those magnificent tombs in in Petra and

4315
02:21:17,359 --> 02:21:19,280
said, "Boy, I'd really like to be inside

4316
02:21:18,719 --> 02:21:21,599
there."

4317
02:21:19,280 --> 02:21:23,280
>> Exactly. what what is happening while

4318
02:21:21,600 --> 02:21:25,760
you're alive is what's really

4319
02:21:23,280 --> 02:21:28,800
significant and the most the the most

4320
02:21:25,760 --> 02:21:31,680
impactful thing like do well do good for

4321
02:21:28,799 --> 02:21:33,039
the people and I think uh your message

4322
02:21:31,680 --> 02:21:34,639
resonates with me

4323
02:21:33,040 --> 02:21:35,600
>> and if I was a Canadian I would vote for

4324
02:21:34,639 --> 02:21:37,119
you 100%.

4325
02:21:35,600 --> 02:21:39,359
>> Thank you. Thank you for that. Well,

4326
02:21:37,120 --> 02:21:41,120
it's uh it's um you know it's a

4327
02:21:39,359 --> 02:21:42,960
privilege to do this work and I'm I

4328
02:21:41,120 --> 02:21:46,000
consider it very humbling and I'm very

4329
02:21:42,959 --> 02:21:47,679
proud to be Canadian and uh to take the

4330
02:21:46,000 --> 02:21:49,600
message of Canada here to our American

4331
02:21:47,680 --> 02:21:51,439
friends. Well, I'm glad you're here

4332
02:21:49,600 --> 02:21:53,520
doing that and I think uh this is going

4333
02:21:51,439 --> 02:21:55,439
to have a big impact.

4334
02:21:53,520 --> 02:21:56,159
>> I really hope it moves the needle up in

4335
02:21:55,439 --> 02:21:57,760
Canada.

4336
02:21:56,159 --> 02:21:59,920
>> Absolutely. And down here, we got to get

4337
02:21:57,760 --> 02:22:00,559
these tariffs gone. Get the tariffs

4338
02:21:59,920 --> 02:22:02,960
gone.

4339
02:22:00,559 --> 02:22:04,478
>> Well, let's work it out. Work it out.

4340
02:22:02,959 --> 02:22:04,959
And uh if you win, I'm coming up there.

4341
02:22:04,478 --> 02:22:06,079
I promise.

4342
02:22:04,959 --> 02:22:07,279
>> Well, we're going to try to get you up

4343
02:22:06,079 --> 02:22:09,280
there earlier. I'm going to keep working

4344
02:22:07,280 --> 02:22:10,880
on you. And you look at that that maple

4345
02:22:09,280 --> 02:22:12,319
leaf on your new kettle bell every day.

4346
02:22:10,879 --> 02:22:14,398
Eventually, we're going to we're going

4347
02:22:12,318 --> 02:22:15,439
to uh work subliminally into your

4348
02:22:14,398 --> 02:22:16,559
subconscious and get you up.

4349
02:22:15,439 --> 02:22:18,800
>> Well, look, like I said, you don't have

4350
02:22:16,559 --> 02:22:21,039
to sell me on Canada. I love Canada and

4351
02:22:18,799 --> 02:22:22,478
uh I I love that gift. So, thank you so

4352
02:22:21,040 --> 02:22:24,240
much. I really appreciate Thank you for

4353
02:22:22,478 --> 02:22:28,840
being here. It was awesome.

4354
02:22:24,239 --> 02:22:28,840
>> Thank you. All right, buddy.