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[00:12] >> We're up.
[00:13] >> How are you, sir? Pleasure to meet you.
[00:14] >> It's great to be here. Thanks for having
[00:16] me. Great to be back in Texas.
[00:17] >> I'm glad we finally did this.
[00:19] >> Yes, me too.
[00:19] >> I wanted to do it the first go around.
[00:21] >> Yeah, I know. Uh well, when I got the
[00:23] invitation, we were in the middle of the
[00:25] election and we just don't leave the
[00:27] country during election campaigns.
[00:29] >> I get it. And uh the problem we've had
[00:31] is we can't get you to come to Canada.
[00:33] >> And so uh we've actually hatched a full
[00:35] strategy to get you into Canada cuz we
[00:38] think it's going to do big things for
[00:40] our tourism numbers. So do you mind if I
[00:42] present you with something right out of
[00:43] the gate?
[00:43] >> Sure.
[00:44] >> All right. This is uh
[00:45] >> this is from a gunsmith and machinist in
[00:48] Calgary, Alberta. His name is Jay, and
[00:50] he's designed uh
[00:52] >> Look at this kettle bell. Guess what the
[00:53] weight is?
[00:55] >> Uh 70 pounds.
[00:56] >> 70 pounds. That's the That's the weight
[00:58] you cabinet. It says on the front here,
[01:00] Jamie, it says here on the front, Jamie,
[01:02] pull it up. So, we've got that. We've
[01:04] got uh you see here some other stuff. Uh
[01:08] for a stand.
[01:10] >> Oh, that's really cool.
[01:11] >> Look at this stand here. So, we've got
[01:13] seeing is believing, which I think was
[01:15] the slogan of the first UFC that you
[01:18] were the commentator for. I think it was
[01:20] number 13.
[01:20] >> 12.
[01:21] >> Number 12. Right. And then we've got
[01:23] here your favorite quote from um
[01:28] what's his name? The Japanese uh martial
[01:30] artist.
[01:31] >> Yes. And it says,
[01:33] >> "If you know the way broadly, you will
[01:35] see it in everything."
[01:36] >> So that's here. And then Morris code.
[01:38] There's a thank you letter for you. And
[01:40] we've got
[01:41] >> you've got your flying saucer.
[01:43] >> And we've got your logo here, too. So,
[01:45] but most important of all,
[01:47] >> we've got a subliminal message, which is
[01:49] the Canadian maple leaf.
[01:51] >> Oh. Every time you do a kettle bell
[01:53] swing, you do a snatch, you do a clean,
[01:56] you're going to be seeing that maple
[01:59] leaf and you're going to be reminding
[02:00] yourself that you need to come back to
[02:01] Canada.
[02:01] >> All right.
[02:02] >> All right. I'll present that to you
[02:04] there.
[02:05] >> Thank you very much.
[02:06] >> Go on there, too.
[02:07] >> Very cool.
[02:08] >> Is that in the way, Jamie?
[02:09] >> I can take it off.
[02:10] >> We'll take it off.
[02:13] >> Put it down.
[02:15] >> So, uh,
[02:16] >> I saw your I saw your, uh, interview
[02:18] with Pavle. And I'm a I'm a big
[02:21] kettlebell freak.
[02:22] >> Are you really?
[02:22] >> Yeah, absolutely. And I started
[02:24] researching him after you had him on and
[02:26] I was trying to I love history. So
[02:28] >> I was thinking why did the Russians come
[02:30] up with this? And uh it it turns out
[02:33] they used it as a counterweight at the
[02:35] farmer markets. So they would say, you
[02:37] know, you come in, you have to say this
[02:39] is how much potatoes you're buying. But
[02:41] instead of trying to do it by eyeball,
[02:42] they would put what is now kabel on one
[02:45] side of the scale and then the produce
[02:48] on the other. And then at the farmers
[02:50] expeditions, you had these big Russian
[02:52] farmers who want to show how strong they
[02:54] were. So they would pick them up and do
[02:55] all kinds of um displays with them. And
[02:59] then then the Russian army took it on,
[03:01] the Soviet army took it on. And then
[03:03] that's where Pavle picked it up and then
[03:05] brought it over the Atlantic and uh
[03:07] introduced it to America.
[03:08] >> Wow, that's crazy. So it was just
[03:10] accidental that they made this very
[03:12] functional tool for fitness. Yeah, it
[03:15] was the it was just you'd go to a
[03:16] farmers market, you want to buy some
[03:18] barley or some potatoes, but you don't
[03:20] know if you're actually getting the real
[03:21] weight. So, they'd have a scale, a
[03:23] balancing scale, and they put the kettle
[03:25] bell on one side and the produce on the
[03:27] other, and then you knew you got the
[03:28] right amount. And then, of course, they
[03:30] have these big farmers um farm fairs,
[03:32] and they're showing off their their
[03:34] horses and their cattle and stuff, and
[03:35] they want to do strength displays. So
[03:38] these farmers are throwing these things
[03:39] around and the Russian military picked
[03:41] it up and then the Soviets of course
[03:43] took over and they took it on and then
[03:46] Pavle I think he was a Bellar Russian
[03:48] though if I'm not mistaken Pavl
[03:51] >> and he brought it over to uh North
[03:53] America but uh the ancient Chinese did
[03:56] it as well. You got uh really yeah the
[03:58] ancient Chinese the Shaolin monks have
[04:00] used them but they didn't do it with
[04:01] cast iron. They had theirs were sort of
[04:03] a concrete a concrete block and uh they
[04:06] they did it for strength training as
[04:08] well.
[04:08] >> Oh wow. Little history.
[04:10] >> Yeah. So I'm a big kettlebell freak. I I
[04:12] love it. And uh I really I started to
[04:15] study what Powell's teaching. I wanted I
[04:17] think he has an accreditation or
[04:18] something. If I ever get time I might
[04:19] take it.
[04:20] >> Yeah. Strong first. Yeah. That's his uh
[04:22] organization.
[04:24] >> And you're doing you have a whole
[04:25] program. I think you you do clean to
[04:28] press and then
[04:29] >> Yeah. I do a bunch of different things.
[04:30] squats, overhead squat and all that.
[04:32] >> It's a great functional tool just for
[04:35] your whole body,
[04:36] >> right?
[04:36] >> You know, it's really one of the best
[04:38] pieces of exercise equipment I think
[04:40] I've ever found.
[04:41] >> Yeah. I think he calls it a a cannonball
[04:43] on a handle. Um and uh the thing I like
[04:47] about it is the it's like a cat
[04:49] catapult.
[04:51] Like it all of the lift is in that that
[04:53] instant where it flips over your hand
[04:56] >> and uh the original ones. Wow, that's
[04:59] crazy.
[05:01] That's so interesting. So, the handle
[05:03] was just to pick it up and carry it
[05:04] around.
[05:04] >> Yeah.
[05:05] >> Wow.
[05:06] >> That had a real functional use.
[05:08] >> Well, it's just amazing how good it is
[05:12] for a piece of exercise equipment that
[05:13] was accidentally designed that way.
[05:16] >> Absolutely. And uh I think it's far
[05:18] superior to uh to a dumbbell exercise
[05:22] because there's no uh a dumbbell you got
[05:24] a you get a consistent lift, but that's
[05:26] not real life. If you're in a fight or
[05:28] you have to pick something up heavy, it
[05:30] doesn't lift consistently. It's it's
[05:32] explosive in that small range and you
[05:35] know when you're doing a snatch, by the
[05:37] time you get up to your shoulder, the
[05:39] thing's weightless because the catapult
[05:41] the catapult effect has taken over and
[05:43] now it's actually negative weights
[05:44] lifting your hand up in the air if
[05:45] you're doing it right. But like if
[05:47] you're in a fight or if you're in a
[05:49] wrestling match or you're you're trying
[05:51] to push really hard against a heavy
[05:52] object, it's all about explosive power
[05:55] and that's what kettle bells give rather
[05:57] than just this sort of uh freeze and
[06:00] contract thing that you do with with
[06:02] dumbbells.
[06:02] >> Have you always been a workout guy?
[06:04] >> Yeah, look, I I was um big into sports
[06:06] until my mid- teens. I was on the
[06:08] wrestling team. I wasn't great. I was
[06:11] good, but I wasn't great. Um then I got
[06:13] a a wicked uh tendinitis in my shoulder
[06:16] >> and it ended my athleticism for like
[06:19] four years and that's how I got into
[06:20] politics. I was so bored. I got get home
[06:22] from school I had nothing to do
[06:24] >> so I took I told my mother
[06:25] >> tendinitis got you into politics?
[06:27] >> Yeah that's what it was. I just couldn't
[06:30] get rid of it. Like I every time I
[06:32] thought I had it beat I'd go in and I'd
[06:34] train and it would be full of
[06:35] inflammation. No one could do anything
[06:37] about it. And so I was like bored out of
[06:40] my mind and I said to my mom like, you
[06:42] know, you go to these local meetings
[06:43] with the conservative association, like
[06:45] take me to that because I'm going crazy.
[06:48] And
[06:48] >> that's nuts. Yeah. So that So what what
[06:51] what were you interested in when you
[06:53] first went there? Like we just
[06:57] didn't like the way things were running.
[06:58] Like what what was it about it that got
[07:00] you so curious?
[07:03] Well, I grew up in a suburban
[07:06] neighborhood in south south end of
[07:08] Calgary. You know, my folks were
[07:10] teachers. I was adopted. My mom was a
[07:13] 16-year-old on she she was a obviously a
[07:16] single mom. She put me up for adoption
[07:17] to two school teachers. There was
[07:19] electricians and oil workers and police
[07:21] officers lived on our street. Normal,
[07:23] hardworking, good folks. And I always
[07:25] grew up with the impression they were
[07:26] getting screwed over and that um the
[07:29] government didn't listen to people like
[07:31] them. didn't listen to people who grew
[07:32] up on streets like ours. And living in
[07:35] Western Canada, there was a greater
[07:37] sense of that. We called it Western
[07:38] alienation at the time. And there was
[07:41] this guy, kind of a quirky guy, but a
[07:43] really brilliant guy named Preston
[07:44] Manning. And I saw this billboard of him
[07:46] and he had his fist up and it said
[07:48] enough. And I said, "Yeah, I like that
[07:51] guy." So I got involved in politics and
[07:54] I started reading about different
[07:55] things. I start I read a biography on
[07:57] Fidel Castro and then I read
[08:00] >> Justin's dad. No, no, no. Not Justin's
[08:03] dad, right? No, no, no, no. His dad was
[08:06] Pierre. His dad was Pierre. His dad was
[08:09] Pierre. I had issues with Pierre
[08:10] Trudeau, too, because
[08:11] >> it's a great conspiracy theory, though.
[08:14] >> Well, it is a hell of a I don't think
[08:15] it's a true one, though. his dad is
[08:17] >> unfortunately
[08:18] >> his his dad um was very controversial
[08:20] where I grew up because he did a lot of
[08:22] damage to the oil sector and we're from
[08:23] oil country and so that was one of the
[08:26] things that I felt kind of resentful
[08:27] about the national government and one of
[08:29] the reasons I got involved is because
[08:31] the west deserved a fairer deal and uh
[08:35] but I read a lot of books like you know
[08:37] Milton Freriedman capitalism and freedom
[08:40] and and I came to to to develop a
[08:42] philosophy based on just maximizing
[08:45] personal financial, religious freedom,
[08:48] let people make their own decisions. And
[08:50] that that animated me to get involved in
[08:52] politics and fight for that, and I've
[08:54] been doing it ever since.
[08:56] >> Wow. That's a fascinating transition
[08:58] from wrestling and tendonitis, getting
[09:01] deeply involved in politics.
[09:03] >> Yeah. I mean, like, you know, you're a
[09:05] sports guy. If you had suffered an
[09:07] injury that took you out of taekwond do
[09:09] when you were young and you you simply
[09:12] couldn't compete at anything, you'd
[09:13] probably be looking for some other
[09:15] adventure.
[09:16] >> Yeah, that's how it was.
[09:17] >> Well, we're lucky that stem cells
[09:18] weren't around back then or you never
[09:20] would have gotten into politics.
[09:21] >> That's right. I would have been a
[09:23] wrestler. I don't know if I would have
[09:24] won any awards, but uh but yeah, that
[09:27] that was how I got started and and I got
[09:30] very active very quickly. I got my first
[09:32] internship making 600 bucks a month. uh
[09:36] when I was uh 16 or 17 years old and uh
[09:40] would you know take uh two trains and a
[09:42] bus and an hour and 45 minutes each way.
[09:44] But I was so thrilled. My dad bought me
[09:45] a used suit and a used pair of shoes.
[09:48] And I thought this I'm this is so
[09:50] incredible. I'm an important guy. I wear
[09:52] dress shoes. I wear I wear a tie. Didn't
[09:54] matter that the tie was bad bought from
[09:56] some dead guy whose family had sold it
[09:58] to a a used store. But uh that was my
[10:01] start and I loved it.
[10:03] Well, uh, I'm really excited to have you
[10:05] in here because I've seen you speak
[10:07] multiple times and you're a very
[10:10] reasonable, intelligent person. That
[10:12] makes a lot of sense. And that is that
[10:15] is a rare thing in politics. And I love
[10:18] Canada. Like I I just say I don't go up
[10:21] there anymore, but it's because I I I
[10:24] think the government went horribly wrong
[10:26] over the last, you know, x amount of
[10:28] years. But the people are amazing. It's
[10:30] like I was always I've always said that
[10:32] Canada has like it's like America with
[10:34] like 20% less [ __ ]
[10:37] Like every time I would go up there like
[10:39] people are so nice. They're they're like
[10:40] the nicest people. And I think that's
[10:43] part of what went wrong for Canada is
[10:46] that people are rule followers and you
[10:49] know they're trusting and kind people
[10:52] and you know this wolf in sheep's
[10:54] clothing snuck in and you know was
[10:57] pretending he was a sweet guy and
[10:59] passing all these crazy laws and just
[11:02] when we saw what happened with COVID
[11:04] with just with what happened with the
[11:06] truckers and people's accounts getting
[11:08] shut down for donating to the truckers
[11:11] Like the whole thing was so concerning
[11:13] because it's our Canada was like a part
[11:17] of America almost. I mean, you're a
[11:19] different country, but it's like you
[11:20] used to be able to go over there with
[11:21] just a driver's license, you know? It
[11:23] was like it was such a cool place to I
[11:26] started going to the Montreal Comedy
[11:27] Festival in like 1993. I loved it up
[11:30] there. It's like one of my favorite
[11:31] places.
[11:32] >> Just for laughs.
[11:34] >> Yeah.
[11:34] >> Good. How's your French?
[11:36] >> Not good.
[11:36] >> Okay, we'll work on that. We'll get you
[11:38] some French lessons.
[11:39] >> It's terrible. Well, I don't know any
[11:40] French words. My wife is learning
[11:42] French, though. It's interesting. She's
[11:44] got this app that she's learning French.
[11:46] Um, but it's just an amazing place. It's
[11:48] It's a great country. And, um, to see it
[11:53] go the way it's been going and sliding
[11:56] the way it's been happening over the
[11:57] last, you know, x amount of years,
[12:00] there's just so many things that concern
[12:01] me. You know, one of the things that
[12:03] really concerns me is this um, assisted
[12:06] suicide thing. that one in 20 deaths in
[12:09] Canada is now assisted suicide. That's
[12:12] insane.
[12:13] >> Well, listen, my my view is that people
[12:15] should have the choice, but uh the
[12:18] concern we have is the suggestion that
[12:20] it would be offered to kids or offered
[12:23] to people whose only condition is me
[12:25] mental illness,
[12:26] >> right?
[12:27] >> I don't agree with that. My concern as
[12:28] well, I mean, if someone's got a
[12:30] terminal, like a good friend of mine
[12:32] >> went to Oregon to end his life because
[12:34] he had ALS, but I mean, he was gone. I
[12:37] mean, he could barely talk at the end of
[12:39] his life. His name is Michael Lair. He
[12:41] was a regular guest on Kill Tony. Great
[12:43] guy,
[12:44] >> right?
[12:44] >> And
[12:45] >> it was horrible. I mean, watching him
[12:47] fade away and he wanted to go out on his
[12:50] own terms. So, he went to Oregon for
[12:52] assisted suicide. I mean, there's a
[12:53] place for it. Yeah,
[12:54] >> but I mean there was a kid recently in
[12:57] Canada and he did it for seasonal
[13:00] depression.
[13:01] >> You I'm sure you're aware of that case.
[13:03] >> Like who who allowed that to happen? Who
[13:06] didn't counsel this young guy? Who
[13:08] didn't give him a hug? Who didn't tell
[13:10] him about diet and exercise and changing
[13:12] your surroundings, your lifestyle and
[13:15] just do something, right,
[13:16] >> to give you some hope and happiness?
[13:18] Like seasonal depression? Really? You're
[13:21] going to end your life, this beautiful
[13:23] life on this planet for seasonal
[13:25] depression. That's
[13:26] >> that's why we have to do more to give
[13:27] people hope when they're suffering with
[13:29] mental illness. Yes. You know, give
[13:31] people the the sense that they can take
[13:33] back control of their lives. Uh I think
[13:35] we do have to promote fitness more
[13:37] because it gives people it turns them
[13:39] into a subject that controls their their
[13:41] surroundings rather than an object being
[13:43] controlled. It teaches people to that
[13:46] that hardship is temporary and that the
[13:48] aftermath is positive. And uh and we
[13:51] have to give people reinstill people
[13:53] with a sense of meaning when they're
[13:54] going through hardship rather than than
[13:56] to say that it's all over. And uh you
[13:59] know I think uh we have to our system
[14:01] needs to be geared towards giving people
[14:04] all the best options to live on rather
[14:07] than just suggesting maid as the as the
[14:10] easy as the as the automatic path for
[14:13] the system to impose on people. So, uh,
[14:17] one of the things our party is pushing
[14:18] for is to make clear that public
[14:20] servants who are getting phone calls
[14:21] from people who are in need of help for
[14:23] something. They shouldn't be offering
[14:25] that. They shouldn't be offering. People
[14:28] can seek it out if they want, but when
[14:30] you're calling up saying, "I'm poor or
[14:32] I'm struggling or I'm having a mental
[14:34] illness or I've got an injury." Uh, we
[14:36] shouldn't have a a government worker
[14:38] saying, "Well, consider maid." Well, the
[14:41] the unfortunate thing is that any
[14:43] organization that gets formed
[14:46] >> wants to grow and you get financial
[14:49] incentives
[14:51] >> and then you hire more people and then
[14:53] it gets bigger and then what do you have
[14:55] to do? Well, you have to keep doing what
[14:56] you're doing. What are you doing? You're
[14:58] killing people. So, you're going to kill
[15:00] more people because you're actually
[15:02] financially incentivized to put more
[15:04] people through this program and end
[15:05] their lives.
[15:06] >> That's that's very sad. So I think we
[15:08] have to get to get to a point where
[15:10] people have the freedom to make their
[15:11] own decisions but they also have hope
[15:13] that there is an option for them and
[15:15] that's what we're trying
[15:16] >> pathway you know and like the exercise
[15:18] thing is not just give them you know
[15:20] control of their life. It makes them
[15:22] happier. It's it's it show there's been
[15:24] studies that show it's much more
[15:26] effective than anti-depressants.
[15:27] >> Absolutely. Well, it's the first of
[15:29] there's the phys physiological side
[15:31] which affects the brain, but it's also
[15:33] the sensation of discomfort that you
[15:35] push through knowing that you have to
[15:38] focus on the thing you have to do. And
[15:41] uh that I think it helps us in anything
[15:44] we're encountering whether you're going
[15:45] through a divorce or a bankruptcy or an
[15:48] injury or an illness if you know that
[15:50] pushing through to the other side
[15:52] because you've got a meaning there that
[15:54] can give people hope for for for a
[15:56] better life. You know my favorite
[15:57] psychologist is u Victor Frankle Victor
[16:00] Frankl and he developed this um logos
[16:03] treatment which was basically giving
[16:05] people a sense of meaning. He survived
[16:08] the Holocaust in the concentration camp
[16:10] because he had a sense of meaning that
[16:12] he wanted to his book was stolen from
[16:14] him in the concentration camp about this
[16:17] this theory and he wanted to live on so
[16:20] he could survive and write that book.
[16:22] And then he found his in his teaching
[16:25] that it wasn't so much people's
[16:27] circumstances that determined their
[16:29] happiness. It was whether they had a
[16:30] meaning in life. And he tells this
[16:32] incredible story of a group therapy
[16:34] session where he had this very rich
[16:36] woman who was married to a very rich
[16:37] man. And he had next to him another lady
[16:40] who was living in terrible poverty.
[16:42] She'd lost a son and had a second
[16:43] severely disabled son. And he said to
[16:45] both them, "What will your life look
[16:47] look like when you're 80 years old and
[16:49] you're on your deathbed?" And the the
[16:51] wealthier lady said, "Well, I will look
[16:53] back and think that while I had some fun
[16:56] and enjoyed the simple the the the
[16:58] luxuries of being very wealthy and
[17:00] having an easy life that there wasn't a
[17:02] lot of meaning to it." And whereas the
[17:04] mother who was struggling with a
[17:05] disabled child and had lost another one
[17:07] said, "Well, I gave my first child a
[17:09] great life, a short one, but a great
[17:11] one. I struggled to give my disabled
[17:14] child a good dignified existence and I
[17:18] leave this world satisfied and happy
[17:20] that my life had purpose and meaning.
[17:22] And the lesson that I take from that is
[17:24] that it is not about whether you have a
[17:27] gazillion dollars or whether your life
[17:28] is easy. It's whether you have some
[17:30] meaning to invest your your your life
[17:31] into. And I think we have to infuse
[17:34] people's lives with with meaning so that
[17:36] they that they can they can live a good
[17:39] life. Well, that's a great message and I
[17:41] think that's one of the most important
[17:43] parts of being a leader is having a
[17:46] great message and having a great
[17:48] philosophy and having a great
[17:50] perspective. And I mean, that's what
[17:53] disturbed me the most about when Trudeau
[17:56] was running the country that I I didn't
[17:57] feel like I thought I felt like he was
[17:59] manipulating people with woke politics
[18:01] and ideology and that it was just this
[18:04] weird slippery slope that people were
[18:06] falling down where they're losing rights
[18:09] and you're you're losing your ability to
[18:10] express yourself.
[18:12] >> And it just it just really disturbed me
[18:14] because I always felt that Canada was
[18:16] like one of the freest places and one of
[18:18] the most open-minded places. And it just
[18:21] I I didn't understand how it could fall
[18:24] so quickly.
[18:25] >> We we still, you know, we are a free
[18:26] country and we we are a democracy. We
[18:29] have preserved that. Um you know, my
[18:31] leader my this funny moment when Joe
[18:33] Biden came to Parliament Hill and I
[18:35] said, um, Mr. President, I'm Pierre
[18:37] Paul. I'm the leader of his majesty's
[18:40] loyal opposition. And he said, loyal
[18:42] opposition? How can you be loyal and
[18:45] opposition at the same time? I like what
[18:47] the hell are you talking about? And
[18:49] because you know you guys have a a
[18:51] system based on the a republic whereas
[18:53] ours is the British system and in our
[18:56] system
[18:57] the the opposition is an act of loyalty.
[19:01] That's what our system it means that if
[19:03] you are opposing the government
[19:06] you're doing it out of loyalty to the
[19:08] good of the people and our house of
[19:09] commons. You have a half circle in your
[19:11] congress. We have two sides in our
[19:13] parliament. It's two and a half sword
[19:15] lengths apart because they used to
[19:16] literally kill each other in the old
[19:18] English days. But the idea is the
[19:20] opposition is to prosecute the hell out
[19:21] of the government. Make the mighty low.
[19:23] The most powerful people in the country
[19:25] are supposed to tremble every time they
[19:27] walk in that place because know every
[19:29] mistake they made, every abuse of power,
[19:31] every corruption they might have done
[19:33] can be exposed and in front of all eyes.
[19:37] So our system is really designed to
[19:39] constrain the power of government
[19:41] through what we call parliament. Like I
[19:42] don't work for government. I work for
[19:44] parliament and parliament works for the
[19:45] people. We call it the house of commons
[19:48] because the it's the house of the common
[19:50] people. It's green in there because they
[19:51] used to meet in the in the fields of
[19:53] England. And so I really view the world
[19:56] of our parliament to limit the power of
[19:57] government to maximize the power of the
[19:59] people, make people bigger, stronger,
[20:02] and more fulfilled by having the
[20:05] government narrowly focus on the on the
[20:06] things it's supposed to do, roads,
[20:09] military, basic social safety net,
[20:11] borders, police, etc. but then leave
[20:13] people alone to live their lives. If I
[20:16] were to start a political party from
[20:17] scratch, it would be the mind your own
[20:19] damn business party, you know, just get
[20:21] the government to do its job well, do
[20:23] you know, do four or five things really
[20:25] well and then let people live their
[20:27] lives.
[20:28] >> Well, that sounds very reasonable.
[20:29] >> Yeah.
[20:30] >> Yeah. I mean, anybody that doesn't go
[20:32] along with that, anybody that's opposed
[20:34] to that, that doesn't even make sense.
[20:35] No, look, uh, like I said, the way I
[20:38] grew up and everything I've seen ever
[20:40] since, when I talk to farmers or factory
[20:44] workers, electricians, I find they know
[20:48] just as much or more than the so-called
[20:50] experts I encounter on Parliament Hill.
[20:52] Like back during CO when all these
[20:54] governments were printing money, uh, and
[20:56] all the politicians and bankers said,
[20:58] "Oh, this is great. Uh, well, look at
[21:00] all this money we get to spend." I'd
[21:01] walk around communities and I'd have
[21:03] like mechanics say, "You know, we're
[21:05] going to have inflation."
[21:06] And I would say, "Yeah, it makes sense
[21:08] to me." And I'd go back to Parliament
[21:10] Hill and the experts would all say, "No,
[21:11] no, there's not going to be any
[21:12] inflation." And sure enough, all that
[21:14] money filtered into the economy, bid up
[21:16] all the goods we buy, and and everybody
[21:18] got smoked with higher prices. But the
[21:20] point is that it was the it was the
[21:22] common people who don't study this stuff
[21:24] for a living, who don't read endless
[21:27] reports and studies, who could just
[21:28] figure out that if there's money pouring
[21:30] into the economy that's not matched by
[21:32] goods and services, it's going to bid up
[21:34] the cost of everything. So that's my
[21:37] experience in my my ideology is the
[21:39] common guy knows how to make his own
[21:40] decisions. We need to empower him to do
[21:42] that.
[21:43] >> Yeah. And just stay out of people's
[21:44] lives.
[21:45] >> Exactly. So there's a narrative in
[21:47] America and the narrative is that you
[21:50] were about to win and your party was
[21:52] about to win but then Trump came along
[21:55] and said he was going to turn Canada
[21:56] into the 51st state and everybody went
[21:58] crazy. Is that accurate?
[21:59] >> I wouldn't say they went crazy. I mean
[22:01] it like they got very upset though. I
[22:04] mean
[22:05] >> it's a crazy thing to say.
[22:06] >> It is a crazy thing to say. Canada's not
[22:08] for sale. We're never going to be the
[22:09] 51st state. Uh, you know, we love
[22:11] Americans as neighbors and friends, but
[22:13] we we want to be can uniquely and we
[22:17] want to be sovereign as Canadians. It's
[22:19] our country. It's where we grow up.
[22:20] You're a patriot as an American. I'm a
[22:22] patriot as a Canadian. It's where my
[22:24] grandfather arrived. It's where our
[22:26] collective ancestors uh put on military
[22:29] uniforms and sailed to fight wars. It's
[22:31] where our grandkids are going to live.
[22:33] We're very proudly Canadian. So, we're
[22:35] never going to be the 51st state. And I
[22:38] I just wish he'd knock that [ __ ] off so
[22:40] that we can get back to talking about
[22:42] the things that that we can do as two
[22:44] separate but but two separate countries
[22:46] that are actually friends.
[22:47] >> Did that really have that much of an
[22:49] effect up there? Like did people take
[22:50] him seriously?
[22:53] >> I think at first everyone thought it was
[22:55] a joke because we've always had these
[22:58] jokes like you know one day we're going
[22:59] to take over Vermont and Detroit should
[23:01] be part of Canada and all that stuff.
[23:03] But then he kept saying it and saying it
[23:05] and uh you know it became un it became
[23:10] uh a lot of people got upset about it
[23:12] and I think understandably so.
[23:13] >> Understandably. Yeah. I mean it's a
[23:15] crazy thing to say.
[23:16] >> It is a crazy thing to say.
[23:18] >> I talked to the phone about it. It was
[23:20] like so funny. It's like at first I was
[23:21] joking but then people were like it's a
[23:23] good idea.
[23:24] >> That's not a good idea.
[23:26] >> Nobody's saying that. I can assure him
[23:28] of that. But uh and and and the tariffs
[23:31] aren't a good idea either. We should get
[23:32] the tariffs out because there's so much
[23:35] we could be doing together as neighbors
[23:37] and partners if we got rid of those
[23:39] tariffs. Um, you know, the I think what
[23:42] are the biggest problems in America
[23:43] today? Affordability, security, and we
[23:47] can help with both. We knock the tariffs
[23:48] down. Let's look at affordability. We
[23:50] got the fourth biggest supply of oil
[23:52] anywhere on Earth. You guys pay a huge
[23:54] price discount for our oil because we're
[23:56] effectively all our infrastructure to
[23:59] ship it is north south. And it's a very
[24:01] unique heavy oil. So we accept uh
[24:05] unfortunately and for now a price
[24:07] discount on the oil we send you which
[24:10] can translate into more jobs and
[24:12] paychecks but also lower energy prices.
[24:13] You've got $5 a gallon right now in lots
[24:16] of places in America. Uh you're buying I
[24:18] want to produce more so we can sell 2
[24:21] million more barrels of Canadian oil
[24:23] into the US market. And then there's
[24:25] there's housing. You've got huge housing
[24:28] uh pressures on young people. they can't
[24:30] afford a place to live. We're the
[24:31] biggest supplier of of lumber for home
[24:34] building uh of any country that imports
[24:36] to the United States, exports to the
[24:38] United States. Uh we've got very low
[24:40] cost but high quality softwood lumber we
[24:42] could be shipping or the best truck the
[24:44] bestselling truck in America for 45
[24:48] years now is the Ford series. It's
[24:51] aluminum. It's a it's a militaryra
[24:53] aluminum body. You guys can't make
[24:57] enough aluminum here. don't have enough
[24:58] boxite or electricity to to convert it
[25:00] into aluminum and aluminum. You get your
[25:02] your aluminum from us. A tariff does not
[25:04] bring the production to America. It
[25:06] raises the price of the aluminum and
[25:08] therefore the F- series truck. Get rid
[25:10] of that tariff. You lower taxes. You
[25:12] lower the cost of an F-ser truck for the
[25:15] for the miner in Appalachia or the
[25:17] electrician in Ohio. And and that's just
[25:21] on the affordability side. There's a lot
[25:22] we can do with our minerals to make the
[25:25] continent a hell of a lot safer as well.
[25:27] So, I think it's in America's interest
[25:29] to to come towards a a tariff-free deal
[25:32] and and trade freely as friends and uh
[25:35] that will be good for both of us.
[25:37] >> Have you had conversations with Trump
[25:38] about this?
[25:39] >> No. I I I believe in the rule of uh one
[25:42] prime minister at a time. So, I fought
[25:44] like hell to win. I didn't win. We came
[25:46] very close. So, I I've said, "Listen,
[25:48] I'll leave it to the prime minister to
[25:50] do the negotiating." and I've said I'll
[25:53] support him anyway I can. Even in my
[25:54] visit down here, I'm sending him text
[25:55] messages to tell him what's going on to
[25:57] try and support his work cuz what we
[26:00] want we both want what's best for
[26:01] Canada.
[26:03] >> Where are your elections now? When do
[26:05] you have the next elections?
[26:07] >> That's um this is a a strangely hard
[26:10] question to answer because
[26:12] >> I know you have a weird system.
[26:13] >> Yeah, it's
[26:14] >> weird in comparison to ours rather.
[26:16] >> Yours are fixed. Um, as you know, ours,
[26:18] we have technically fixed election
[26:19] dates, but they but the government can
[26:20] fall at any time. It's very simple uh
[26:23] rule is that if the opposition parties
[26:25] bind up and they can vote down the
[26:26] government, that is to say, the majority
[26:28] of MPs in the House say we've lost
[26:30] confidence in the government, the
[26:31] election is now. Or if the prime
[26:33] minister uh decides he wants an
[26:35] election, he can call it and the
[26:36] election is now. But uh he it has to be
[26:40] sometime in the next roughly 3 years.
[26:43] >> Oh, so you have a deadline where it has
[26:45] to take place. Yeah, that's right. So,
[26:47] >> but it could happen tomorrow.
[26:49] >> The it wouldn't necessarily be tomorrow,
[26:52] but like you know in the next few weeks
[26:54] if there were a non-confidence vote and
[26:56] they government lost it, then then they
[26:58] then they go to an election. So, it's
[27:00] kind of like the British system.
[27:01] >> Interesting.
[27:02] >> Yeah. Well, it is the British system
[27:03] really. We we we adopted the British
[27:05] system almost identically.
[27:07] >> So, when you're campaigning, you're
[27:10] essentially this is like a long game.
[27:12] >> Yeah. You're you're just laying out your
[27:14] strategy, laying out what you would do
[27:16] to make Canada a better place.
[27:18] >> Yeah. Well, we have two roles. So, I I
[27:21] said I'm the leader of the opposition,
[27:22] but I'm also prime minister in waiting.
[27:25] So, the notion is that the Canadian
[27:27] people should not only have a
[27:28] government, but they should have an
[27:29] alternative. And that alternative has
[27:31] two functions. Official opposition, it's
[27:34] actually called that. I think it's a
[27:35] proper noun, capital O official, capital
[27:38] Opposition. And also government in
[27:40] waiting. So you have to be prosecuting
[27:42] the government, but you have to present
[27:45] to yourself yourself to people in a way
[27:46] where they say, "Yeah, that guy or that
[27:48] team could actually be the government."
[27:51] Those are the dual roles that I have to
[27:52] carry out.
[27:53] >> Interesting. And how long have you been
[27:57] attempting to become prime minister for?
[27:59] How long has this been going on for?
[28:01] >> Uh almost exactly four years because I
[28:04] launched my campaign in uh February of
[28:07] 2022. Was this something that you had
[28:09] always had in the back of your mind or
[28:11] >> I I I I'd say in the back of my mind,
[28:13] but it wasn't something I was set on.
[28:15] Like uh I I thought maybe, you know,
[28:17] when I'm in my 50s or 60s, I would try
[28:21] it. Uh but I was in no rush to do that.
[28:23] >> How old are you now?
[28:24] >> I'm now 46.
[28:26] >> And so what motivated you to do it?
[28:30] Well, you know, in after CO uh as CO was
[28:34] unfolding, it wasn't just the the the CO
[28:37] policies themselves. It was the economic
[28:39] policies because I've been very focused
[28:41] on economics in my parliamentary career.
[28:44] And I was seeing the size and cost of
[28:46] government, not just in Canada, but all
[28:48] around the world growing so much and
[28:51] that inflation was just destroying the
[28:53] workingclass people and that it was
[28:56] going to get a lot worse. And so I I ran
[28:59] on the platform of making Canada the
[29:01] freest country on earth. Uh that we had
[29:03] a a tradition of freedom in Canada. Our
[29:06] our one of our earliest prime ministers,
[29:08] Wilfrid Laurier, was asked what's your
[29:10] what's Canada's nationality. And he
[29:12] couldn't actually list an ethnicity or a
[29:14] religion because we were already mixed
[29:16] up even 100 years ago. We had Scots and
[29:18] Irish and
[29:19] >> first peoples. So he said, "Look, yeah,
[29:21] French, French, most of all French and
[29:23] English and first first nations." So he
[29:26] said um
[29:28] Canada is free and freedom is its
[29:30] nationality. And I wanted to reinstate
[29:32] that idea. I wanted it to be the freest
[29:34] country anywhere on earth. And uh so I
[29:36] ran on that platform and won the
[29:38] leadership and then uh ran in the last
[29:41] election and stayed on after that
[29:42] election. So that's kind of the the last
[29:44] four years of my journey. And so the way
[29:49] your elections work now, so you you're
[29:51] essentially just stating your case and
[29:53] going around and talking about what
[29:55] policies you would implement and how you
[29:57] would do things differently and just
[29:59] waiting to see how it all plays out.
[30:01] >> It's we have um see our our our prime
[30:06] minister is different than than the
[30:07] president. He's actually part of the
[30:09] legislative branch. So he comes in to
[30:11] the House of Commons and we debate
[30:14] multiple times a week, he and I. So it's
[30:16] not just, you know, in your system the
[30:18] the Republican and Democrat hold like
[30:20] four debates right before the pre the
[30:22] election. In our system, we're always
[30:23] debating. So he comes in, he's on one
[30:25] side, I come in, I'm on the other side,
[30:27] and I ask him like six consecutive
[30:29] questions, and then he answers, and we
[30:31] go back and forth, and that's called
[30:33] question period. Then we have these
[30:34] committees where we prosecute and
[30:36] propose uh on finance, natural
[30:39] resources, healthcare, you name it. So
[30:40] we're constantly prosecuting the
[30:42] government, also proposing better ideas
[30:44] at the same time. So like the other day
[30:46] I proposed to to bring back the auto
[30:48] pack between Canada and the US to have
[30:50] tariff-free trade going both ways across
[30:52] the the border. So that's an example of
[30:54] how I'm in a position to actually offer
[30:56] solutions even though I'm not in the
[30:58] government and then hopefully government
[30:59] actually steals my ideas and I've been
[31:01] encouraging them to steal my ideas.
[31:03] >> So what
[31:05] >> is this coffee by the way? I need some
[31:06] caffeine. Yeah, some caffeine there.
[31:09] >> I'm a terrible caffeine addict.
[31:13] >> Me too. Cheers.
[31:15] Cheers.
[31:17] >> Oh, and shout out to George St. Pierre
[31:18] for hooking this up.
[31:19] >> Yes, George is a good man. Great guy. Uh
[31:22] he uh he said he's going to have me do
[31:24] some pad work with him at some point.
[31:26] Really? That's pretty dangerous.
[31:27] >> Oh, that's awesome. He's here all the
[31:28] time.
[31:29] >> He's a fantastic guy.
[31:30] >> He's the best. He's one of the best
[31:32] representatives of martial arts you you
[31:35] could ever hope to meet. He's got
[31:37] humility. I remember he came to
[31:38] Parliament Hill uh years ago and I
[31:40] thought, geez, he's going to be because
[31:42] he's I thought he'd be cocky and
[31:44] swagger, but he was so down to earth. So
[31:46] much humility
[31:47] >> for what he's accomplished in MMA. I've
[31:50] I've introduced him to people and they
[31:52] have no idea who he is. And then I go,
[31:54] that is one of the greatest fighters
[31:56] that ever walked the face of the earth.
[31:58] Absolutely. No way. He's so nice.
[32:01] >> And that's the Canadian way though. Like
[32:03] it's softspoken and gentle and kind but
[32:07] >> tough.
[32:08] >> Don't don't piss us off.
[32:09] >> Yeah, but tough.
[32:10] >> That's where Trump [ __ ] up.
[32:13] >> I wonder what would have happened if he
[32:14] didn't go along with that 51st state
[32:17] nonsense, you know? I mean, that that is
[32:19] the narrative in this country, like I
[32:21] said, that if he didn't do that, that
[32:22] you would have won.
[32:23] >> Well, you never know. But I I try not to
[32:25] cry over spilled milk. I focus on what I
[32:28] have to do and live in the present. Um
[32:31] but uh but this new guy um
[32:35] Mealot, have you have you followed him?
[32:36] Mike Malot.
[32:37] >> Oh, sure. I know Mike.
[32:37] >> Yeah. He's going to be fighting in
[32:39] Winnipeg. I think he's the next GSP.
[32:41] >> He's very good.
[32:42] >> You like him?
[32:42] >> Yeah, he's excellent. Yeah,
[32:43] >> he did a great job in Montreal if you
[32:46] saw him there. But maybe
[32:47] >> Oh, yeah. I've been to many of his
[32:49] called bunch of his fights. Excellent.
[32:51] Yeah, he's excellent.
[32:52] >> Yeah, he's uh my buddy is his trainer,
[32:54] Crew Crew Allen Hamalg
[32:57] >> uh in um in Hamilton. He's a Hamilton
[33:00] steel uh steel town guy and uh anywhere
[33:03] we're hoping that he has a big win in
[33:04] Winnipeg. So
[33:06] >> well you guys have one of the best gyms
[33:07] in the world, Tristar in Montreal. Is
[33:09] that right?
[33:10] >> Fasa Habi who's the
[33:12] >> if there there's like maybe a handful of
[33:15] great masterminds in in MMA as far as
[33:18] coaches and Kas is at the top of the
[33:20] list.
[33:20] >> Is that right? And what's his
[33:22] >> He trained GSP.
[33:23] >> Is his discipline karate or kickboxing
[33:25] Muay Thai? I mean, he's I mean, he's a
[33:28] true mixed martial artist. Black belt
[33:29] and jiu-jitsu, kickboxing, every I mean,
[33:32] he can do everything. And he has an
[33:34] Tristar is a place where a lot of people
[33:36] from America go up there for their
[33:38] camps.
[33:39] >> Interesting.
[33:39] >> Yeah.
[33:40] >> I have to drop in and see those guys.
[33:41] >> Oh, it's phenomenal. I mean, like I
[33:43] said, GSP trained up there. A lot a lot
[33:45] of fighters trained up there. And he
[33:47] also had a great working relationship
[33:48] with a lot of people in America. So he
[33:50] would come down and, you know, they
[33:52] would exchange fighters back and forth
[33:54] and train with each other.
[33:56] >> Yeah. Well, we have a great martial arts
[33:58] tradition in Canada. Um, I don't know if
[33:59] you know Mike Miles, he brought Muay
[34:01] Thai from from Thailand to uh Calgary
[34:05] like back in 7 in the 70s or 80s and he
[34:07] still got a great gym there. And uh,
[34:10] >> do you know who Jean Tero is?
[34:11] >> Yes, he's a buddy of mine. Really? From
[34:13] Ottawa? Yeah.
[34:13] >> Oh, no kidding.
[34:14] >> Yeah, he
[34:15] >> he was a hero of mine when I was a kid.
[34:17] >> Yeah, he's incredible. When I was
[34:18] kickboxing, he was like my idol.
[34:21] >> Really?
[34:21] >> Yeah.
[34:22] >> Does he know that?
[34:23] >> I never talked to him.
[34:24] >> Well, he's going to see this.
[34:25] >> I bought his book.
[34:26] >> Yeah,
[34:26] >> I bought his book. I started running
[34:28] stairs because of his book cuz he was
[34:30] talking about how it increased his leg
[34:31] muscles and his kicking power.
[34:33] >> I remember that. It was in one of his
[34:34] documentaries or something. He said his
[34:36] kicks weren't strong enough, so he would
[34:37] do stairs. But I went and trading at his
[34:39] dojo a few times. It's in South Ottawa.
[34:41] >> Uh he was incredible. He was uh he was
[34:44] one of the truly elite kickboxers of his
[34:47] time.
[34:48] >> He he he was a great boxer. Like I know
[34:50] he he never competed as a boxer, but his
[34:52] his hands were fantastic. And
[34:54] >> well, that's really what separated him
[34:56] from a lot of other people was like his
[34:58] accuracy and his technique was pristine.
[35:00] >> He told me that he would spend hours
[35:03] studying the the distances that your
[35:06] limbs would have to travel depending on
[35:08] how you moved. He was kind of uh like a
[35:11] scientist in the way he learned and
[35:13] studied and he was all about simplicity
[35:16] and removing anything unnecessary. Uh I
[35:19] think Bruce Lee said that he said
[35:21] simplicity hack away at the unnecessary
[35:24] >> and uh you know how do you what's the
[35:25] shortest distance to to hit the strike
[35:28] >> and um he's got a great he has a really
[35:30] good heart too you know he had um
[35:33] >> he has a jiu-jitsu club as well
[35:36] >> and when I went in there there was a
[35:37] blind fellow who was into jiu-jitsu
[35:39] which you can do as a blind person
[35:40] because it's so much about feel
[35:42] >> but with co he couldn't do jiu-jitsu
[35:44] anymore because they they they
[35:45] disallowed that kind of up close contact
[35:48] so He actually found a way to train this
[35:50] guy with focus mitts even though he was
[35:52] blind. It was really incredible. Oh wow.
[35:54] >> Yeah. It was just but it it was
[35:56] incredible amount of patience he had
[35:57] invested in making sure this this young
[35:59] man could keep doing his physical
[36:00] activity throughout co
[36:02] >> Wait a minute. So they allowed pad work
[36:04] but they didn't allow jiu-jitsu.
[36:05] >> I don't know if it was a government
[36:06] policy or if it was just it was a policy
[36:08] at the gym because you know you're just
[36:10] so wrapped up and sweating and I'll le
[36:13] the gyms in America everybody just
[36:15] >> just kept going.
[36:16] >> Kept going. They hid. They would like
[36:18] put foil over the windows and like hide
[36:20] or come in through the back door. A lot
[36:22] of the gyms in LA, that's what they did.
[36:24] >> They just plowed ahead.
[36:25] >> They just figured out a way to not get
[36:28] in trouble and and some people did get
[36:30] caught and get in trouble and nothing
[36:32] ever came of it because it's pretty
[36:34] unconstitutional to tell people that
[36:36] they can't work out together. Like the
[36:38] government really didn't have the right
[36:40] to tell people that they couldn't do
[36:43] what they wanted to do. That was a legal
[36:45] thing that you can do. Like all of a
[36:47] sudden there's this
[36:49] mandate, there's this law or rule being
[36:52] passed down or at least it's being
[36:54] promoted that you're not allowed to go
[36:56] to a gym and work out with other people.
[36:59] Like, but those are the healthiest
[37:01] people. Those are the people that are
[37:02] least likely to get sick. Like this this
[37:05] is crazy to say. And you know, if you're
[37:07] sick and if you just have a good gym
[37:10] with good people, say, "Hey, don't show
[37:11] up if you're sick." Everybody should be
[37:13] okay. These are the people you should
[37:15] worry about the least.
[37:17] >> We need to have common sense again. And
[37:19] uh too many governments in the Western
[37:20] world have gone way too bossy. They're
[37:22] just looking for every excuse to boss
[37:24] people around. And uh that's what we
[37:27] have to push back again. and it's you
[37:28] know EV mandates or um you know
[37:32] excessive uh control of the internet or
[37:36] um the massive increase in the cost of
[37:39] government which is really like
[37:40] appropriating the private voluntary
[37:42] economy into the coercive government
[37:44] economy. Uh that's uh that's what we're
[37:46] seeing across Europe in the UK parts of
[37:49] the United States as well as uh back
[37:51] home. So we need to we need to reverse
[37:54] that trend and get people back in charge
[37:55] of their lives. Well, the narrative has
[37:57] always been that
[37:59] rights lost are never regained or are
[38:02] very very difficult to regain them. So,
[38:05] how could you reverse that?
[38:07] >> Well, you have to keep fighting. I mean,
[38:08] we did regain uh our rights uh after co
[38:12] and you know the the people have to look
[38:15] look at the history of it. How did
[38:18] >> which rights did you regain?
[38:20] >> Well, the all the mandates are gone now,
[38:21] >> of course, but those were ridiculous
[38:23] anyway.
[38:24] >> Yeah, they were ridiculous. But uh a lot
[38:26] >> and they also impeded business. They
[38:28] they ruined people's lives, social
[38:30] lives.
[38:31] >> But freedom has always had to be taken.
[38:34] Like you go our tradition goes back to
[38:36] to 1215 with the Magna Carta, the great
[38:38] charter. And most of the freedoms we
[38:40] have today were in that original
[38:41] document. Right to a jury trial, uh no
[38:45] arrest without charge, no conf comp
[38:47] confiscation without compensation, no
[38:49] taxation without representation. All
[38:51] comes from that one document, the Magna
[38:53] Carta. And uh it was because King John
[38:56] was taken aside by the barrens and they
[38:58] said, "Listen, pal, this is the choice.
[39:00] Either you sign this and follow it or we
[39:02] overthrow you." And as a result, we got
[39:04] the Magna Carta and all of when you guys
[39:07] had your Boston Tea Party and said, "You
[39:09] can't tax our tea cuz we don't elect
[39:11] you." That was an appeal as you were
[39:14] Englishmen saying I'm not we're
[39:16] Englishmen. We have the right not to be
[39:17] taxed unless we vote for it and we're
[39:19] going to throw you out otherwise. But
[39:21] that came out of the fields of Runny
[39:22] Meat in England in 1215. So it's a long
[39:26] march towards freedom and it's never
[39:28] actually done. Like there's no permanent
[39:30] victories or defeats. You just have to
[39:32] keep going forward.
[39:34] >> So if you were elected, let's say you
[39:36] get in right now, what what's one of the
[39:38] first things you would do?
[39:40] >> I would unblock our resources. So we
[39:43] have the most resources of any country
[39:44] in the world per capita, bar none. We
[39:48] need to have to make it happen though.
[39:50] We need to have the fastest permits
[39:51] anywhere in the world and the lowest
[39:53] taxes on producing those resources.
[39:56] We're the fourth in oil, the number
[39:58] number one in uranium, number one in pot
[40:01] ash for fertilizer. We have the fifth
[40:03] biggest supplier of natural gas. We have
[40:06] um the longest oceanic coastline. Like
[40:09] we are we have 12 of NATO's
[40:13] um sorry we have 10 of 12 of NATO's
[40:16] defined defense minerals. So, you know,
[40:19] you had that guy Palmer Lucky on. I
[40:21] don't think he can make his stuff
[40:22] without Canadian minerals. Maybe I'm
[40:24] wrong, maybe he'll correct me, but like
[40:26] night vision technology, you need to
[40:28] have uh you need to have germanmanium
[40:30] for that. You need to have ga galium to
[40:33] make uh semiconductors and radar. You
[40:36] need to have aluminum for armored
[40:38] vehicles and uh airplanes. You need
[40:41] cobalt for heat resistant alloys and
[40:43] fighter jets. You need tungsten for uh
[40:46] body, sorry, um uh armor-piercing ammun
[40:50] ammunition. We have it all. And what I
[40:52] want to do is unblock those resources,
[40:54] produce them in abundance for ourselves
[40:56] and our allies, make, you know, $200,000
[40:59] paychecks for our trades workers, build
[41:01] up an enormous strategic stockpile of
[41:03] it, so that we have tons of leverage in
[41:06] international relations, and if, god
[41:08] forbid, there is ever a global conflict,
[41:10] we would have all the resources
[41:11] necessary to win it. So uh but we need
[41:14] to we need to pass we need to get rid of
[41:16] a lot of laws that are blocking and and
[41:18] replace them with laws that have fast
[41:21] permitting so that we can produce this
[41:22] stuff uh on scale very quickly. So is
[41:25] the concern the environmental
[41:28] impact of extracting these things?
[41:31] >> Is that what's holding it up?
[41:32] >> That is the
[41:35] that's the ostensible reason. But I just
[41:38] think across western the western world
[41:41] like Europe, UK, parts of the US and
[41:45] Canada, there's a problem with
[41:47] bureaucracy just growing way too damn
[41:49] big. Like, you know, the First Nations
[41:52] in our country are incredibly
[41:54] forward-looking. The Squamish built
[41:56] 6,000 units of housing on 10 acres of
[41:59] land. You can believe it. In a town in a
[42:01] city of Vancouver where it's very hard
[42:03] to get a permit to do anything because
[42:04] it was their land, so they did it.
[42:06] They're trying to build they're building
[42:08] now an LG liquefaction plant where they
[42:11] replaced uh an old 30 mil. They cleaned
[42:14] it up and put an LG plant there, but the
[42:17] federal government took a lot of time,
[42:18] 14 years to give them a permit. So, we
[42:22] need to think like they're thinking,
[42:23] which is entrepreneurial, speed of
[42:26] business, get it done quickly. Um,
[42:28] that's how you develop like we have this
[42:30] community in my my district. It's called
[42:32] Hardesty, 600 people. They manage a
[42:34] hundred billion dollars of oil in a town
[42:37] of 600 people. Why is it there? because
[42:40] their municipality offers a permit in
[42:42] one week with one page. And I wanted to
[42:46] tell this story. So I called them and I
[42:47] said, "Can I have someone come and do a
[42:48] video with me?" And they said, "We don't
[42:49] have anyone here. We don't have like
[42:51] bureaucrats that can help you." Like
[42:53] they're all out on their farms right
[42:54] now. They come in, they stamp the
[42:55] permit, and they go back to their farm.
[42:57] Well, that's why we have a hundred
[42:59] billion dollars of energy moving through
[43:00] the area, which is bigger than the GDP
[43:02] of many countries because they have fast
[43:03] permits. And that's what we need in
[43:05] Canada. We need to be the fastest place
[43:07] to get things done. But don't you think
[43:09] you need some safeguards to protect the
[43:11] environment? And how do you balance that
[43:13] out?
[43:14] >> Protect it quickly. We can figure out
[43:16] what what whether a project is damaging
[43:18] to the environment in weeks and months
[43:21] rather than decades. Like there's
[43:22] nothing you're going to learn in year 14
[43:24] of the review that you couldn't have
[43:25] learned in in month 14. So there's ways
[43:29] to protect the environment. when the
[43:31] Germans So when the Germans had to break
[43:32] their dependence on Russia after it
[43:35] invaded Ukraine, they approved an an LNG
[43:38] import terminal in 60 days. They
[43:41] completed the whole damn thing in less
[43:43] than 200 days. And guess what? No
[43:45] environmental problems. They they got
[43:47] their engineers to sit down and figure
[43:48] out how to do it quickly. And that's the
[43:51] that's the mentality that we need to get
[43:52] in Canada.
[43:53] >> So what would you be able to do to
[43:57] bypass all this bureaucracy? How could
[43:59] that be done legally?
[44:02] >> Well, you slim it down to one project,
[44:04] one environmental review instead of 20
[44:06] or 30. You have uh a fixed timeline that
[44:09] the bureaucrats have to give an answer
[44:11] of 6 months rather than just as long as
[44:13] they want to drag it on for. Um, and the
[44:16] other thing I would do is study areas
[44:17] where they're they're perfectly situated
[44:19] to have a project like a pipeline or a
[44:21] mine or an LG export terminal or a port
[44:23] expansion. And I would pre-permit it. I
[44:25] would say to our officials, go in,
[44:27] study, make sure that the environmental
[44:29] aspects are all in good order. I will
[44:30] issue a pre-permit and then anybody who
[44:32] comes along and wants to build it, as
[44:34] long as they follow the terms and act
[44:35] responsibly, has a guaranteed permit
[44:37] before they even apply for it. Uh, and
[44:40] uh, that I think we would have a roaring
[44:42] economy if we did that.
[44:44] >> That sounds awesome. But the the great
[44:46] fear is that if you do have an impact on
[44:49] the environment, that impact is often
[44:51] permanent and that it's devastating. And
[44:53] I I've seen some of the oil extraction
[44:57] that they've done up in Alberta. When
[44:59] you look at the area, it looks like like
[45:01] scorched earth.
[45:02] >> No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. It's the
[45:05] most responsible oil extraction in the
[45:07] world.
[45:07] >> But when you when you see these, what is
[45:10] that one area that often gets
[45:12] criticized?
[45:12] >> Fort Mac.
[45:13] >> Is that what it is?
[45:14] >> Yeah. It's they're open pit mines. You
[45:16] you open up a mine, you take out the you
[45:18] take out the bumen. um you subtract you
[45:20] you separate the sand from the oil, you
[45:23] you make it less viscous by putting
[45:25] diluent in it and and you ship it off
[45:27] and then after the oil is after the
[45:29] mining is done, they they resurface it
[45:31] and you wouldn't even know there was a
[45:33] mine there
[45:34] >> and there's no impact to groundwater, no
[45:36] impact to the environment.
[45:38] >> I mean, there's an impact no matter what
[45:40] you do, but at the end of the day, the
[45:41] people who live there are very healthy
[45:43] and very happy and they're the strongest
[45:44] supporters of the expansion of the oil
[45:46] sands. It's an incredible
[45:48] >> because economically it's
[45:49] >> Oh, it's incredible. It's the best
[45:50] resource in the world. So, it's like uh
[45:52] there's no decline rate. You guys have
[45:54] shale here, but you know, as the years
[45:56] go by, you get less and less out of a
[45:58] shale uh reservoir. We we have very
[46:01] little decline. We can keep producing
[46:02] and producing. Uh we have um what's
[46:05] called insitu where there's an entire
[46:07] oil sands operation under your feet. You
[46:09] could be out in a forest hunting and you
[46:11] wouldn't even know that under your feet
[46:12] they're extracting it through a whole
[46:14] system of pipes where they inject just
[46:16] steam steam vapor that loosens up the
[46:18] oil. It sinks down. It goes into another
[46:20] pipe, comes up to the top and you can
[46:22] have beautiful pristine nature. The
[46:24] bears, the the uh the deer, the birds,
[46:27] they don't even know that there's
[46:28] extraction happening under their feet.
[46:29] So, we have the best industry, the most
[46:32] responsible industry anywhere in the
[46:33] world. It's been a a really disgusting
[46:36] PR campaign by extremist
[46:38] environmentalists and frankly some of
[46:40] our competitors to try and make our
[46:42] industry look bad. But it's the best
[46:44] industry in the world.
[46:45] >> Yeah, they got me.
[46:46] >> Yeah,
[46:46] >> I saw some videos on it and I was like,
[46:48] "Oh my god, what are they doing to the
[46:49] ground? What are they doing to the
[46:51] earth? It looks horrible."
[46:52] >> They're all It's It's all [ __ ] We
[46:54] have the
[46:54] >> It looks horrible.
[46:56] >> Yeah, but I mean that's just a
[46:57] superficial look at it. You I'll take
[46:59] you for a tour in the oil sands. You'll
[47:01] be amazed. We have the best engineers in
[47:02] the world. And by the way, the First
[47:04] Nations people absolutely love it
[47:06] because it's lifting their people out of
[47:08] poverty. They're getting enormous job
[47:10] opportunities out of it. One of our MPs
[47:12] is a former chief uh where they took uh
[47:15] 18% unemployment, brought it down to
[47:17] three, balanced their budget. Another
[47:19] one of my members of parliament in
[47:20] Northern British Columbia negotiated a
[47:22] $40 billion LNG plant on his uh on the
[47:26] Heisla territory. It's completely
[47:28] eliminating poverty for the First
[47:30] Nations there. And by exporting clean
[47:32] Canadian natural gas, which we can
[47:34] liquefy 25% cheaper because it's cold as
[47:36] hell in Canada, um they uh actually
[47:40] displace dirty coal overseas. So instead
[47:42] of Asia burning coal, they're burning
[47:44] clean Canadian gas uh that's delivered
[47:46] by First Nations partnership. So this is
[47:48] the best way to do it. Makes everybody
[47:50] richer and makes our entire continent
[47:53] better off. Well,
[47:54] >> it seems so simple the way you're laying
[47:56] it out. I don't understand why this
[47:57] hasn't been implemented.
[47:59] Yeah, this is this is the the story of
[48:01] my life. Uh it's frustrating.
[48:03] >> Is it that but it's if is it that
[48:05] simple? Is it really that this is what's
[48:08] holding everything up? The bureaucracy
[48:09] and the the time it takes for permits
[48:11] and
[48:12] >> Yeah. Like a lot of things. We have the
[48:15] same thing in housing and and so do you
[48:17] like if you look at
[48:18] >> you look California is terrible. Like
[48:20] why is there such a housing shortage in
[48:21] California? It's because it takes
[48:23] forever to get a permit and there's
[48:25] always bureaucracy standing in the way
[48:27] and it totally screws over the
[48:28] workingclass youth who can't find a
[48:30] place to live because they're not being
[48:31] built. And uh we have that challenge in
[48:34] Canada as well. So that's why I proposed
[48:36] ideas to cut the bureaucracy and the
[48:38] taxes so that we can build affordable
[48:40] homes for our youth cuz right now we
[48:42] have a whole generation that can't
[48:43] afford homes. And that was one of the
[48:46] biggest issues I ran on. Home ownership
[48:47] is necessary for family formation, for
[48:51] civil peace in society where, you know,
[48:53] everybody feels like they have a piece
[48:54] of the pie. Um, we need to expand home
[48:57] ownership. But to do that, you've got to
[48:58] get the government gatekeepers out of
[49:00] the way, speed up the permits, free up
[49:02] the land, cut the development taxes.
[49:05] >> So, let's assume that you got in office.
[49:08] How much time would it take to start
[49:11] implementing these things? And how
[49:13] quickly would that impact be felt by the
[49:16] Canadian people?
[49:17] >> Look, I think a lot of them could move
[49:18] very quickly. There's a lot of projects
[49:20] that are pe that that investors are
[49:22] sitting on, but they don't have uh
[49:24] certainty and permits. So, I would
[49:26] unblock that. And I think in the first
[49:28] year, you would start to see immediate
[49:30] benefits uh for the working people who'd
[49:32] be getting these jobs. Um, some of it
[49:36] would take more and more like a
[49:37] medium-term. Like the second thing I
[49:40] would go after is just the inflationary
[49:42] spending which is a big problem all over
[49:46] the western world. Like people just
[49:49] can't afford to live. I don't know if
[49:51] you you do do you you encounter that
[49:52] around here?
[49:53] >> Oh yeah. Yeah. I mean inflation is crazy
[49:56] >> and it's I mean the national debt in
[49:58] America just went up to 39 trillion,
[50:00] >> right? Which is bigger than your GDP.
[50:02] >> It's a lot of money. So, so explain this
[50:05] to me. 50 years ago, a barber and a a
[50:09] barber and a waitress could buy a house
[50:12] with a big yard for a dog and raise four
[50:14] kids, meat and potatoes on the dinner
[50:16] table every night. And now an accountant
[50:18] and a lawyer can't do that. Why is that?
[50:22] >> Well, there's a lot of spending and a
[50:24] lot of making money. lot of just
[50:26] turning, you know, just just making
[50:31] >> dollar bills
[50:32] >> with nothing behind it, nothing to back
[50:34] it.
[50:34] >> This is the biggest fraud perpetrated on
[50:37] the workingclass people in the last
[50:39] hundred years.
[50:40] >> Printing money is just insane. It's just
[50:42] the the idea you just print more money.
[50:44] It's like and people go, "Oh, okay."
[50:46] >> Well, it looks it looks painless at
[50:48] first, but if you have an economy with
[50:50] 10 apples and $10, it's a buck an apple.
[50:53] You double the number of dollars to 20,
[50:55] but you still only have 10 apples. Well,
[50:58] all of a sudden, it's two bucks an
[50:59] apple. It's not that the cost of apples
[51:01] has gone up. It still costs the same
[51:04] resources to grow the and pick the
[51:05] apples. Is that the the price has gone
[51:07] up because the value of the money has
[51:09] gone down, right?
[51:10] >> So, in America over the last 55 years,
[51:14] you've doubled the number of homes in
[51:15] America from about 70 million to 150
[51:18] million. You know how much the money
[51:19] supply has grown? 30 times. So you have
[51:23] twice the homes but 30 times the cash.
[51:27] So what's happened? Housing costs have
[51:30] gone up 15fold in 55 years. And now an
[51:33] entire generation of kids can't afford
[51:35] homes. We have exactly the same problem
[51:36] in Canada. Uh this is the biggest wealth
[51:39] transfer from the working class to the
[51:42] the elites from uh I say the h have nots
[51:45] to the have yachts and Washington and
[51:48] Wall Street love it by the way because
[51:49] it inflates the stock market inflates
[51:51] the bureaucracy. Politicians get to
[51:53] spend. CEOs get their stocks uh
[51:56] inflated. Um but it destroys the working
[51:59] people. And we need to get back to to
[52:01] hard money. Everything should be getting
[52:03] cheaper by the way. You know, it takes
[52:05] 80 60 to 80% less resources to grow
[52:08] food. We grow four times the food on the
[52:09] same acre, get four times as much milk
[52:12] from the same cow. We use 80% less water
[52:15] and fertilizer. So why isn't it that
[52:16] food is not less expensive? It's because
[52:19] all of those gains are being erased by
[52:22] monetary inflation. So it's not that
[52:24] food is more costly, it's that the
[52:26] value, the money we use to buy it has
[52:28] less uh purchasing power. And uh we need
[52:32] to do what the Swiss do, which is they
[52:33] don't print money. They have balanced
[52:34] budgets. They have almost no deficit.
[52:37] And they have almost zero inflation in
[52:39] Switzerland. They have the strongest
[52:40] money in the world, the Swiss Frank. And
[52:43] uh we would all be better if we operated
[52:45] like the Swiss when it comes to our
[52:48] money.
[52:48] >> So in a real world scenario, it's like
[52:51] you you take over Canada. How would you
[52:53] go about implementing this?
[52:54] >> You got to cut bureaucracy, consultants,
[52:58] which consume, by the way, $26 billion
[53:00] of spending.
[53:01] >> How big is your debt in Canada? uh
[53:02] 1.3ish trillion.
[53:04] >> Oh, that's baby debt.
[53:06] >> It's comp compared to you. You guys are
[53:08] you guys are ridiculous.
[53:10] >> Wild. But you know, you've gotten away
[53:11] with it because the dollar the American
[53:13] dollar is the reserve currency.
[53:15] >> So all these countries prop up the value
[53:17] of the US dollar by keeping it on
[53:19] reserve. Um better hope that doesn't
[53:21] change.
[53:22] >> Yeah, better hope.
[53:23] >> We we we don't have that luxury. And so
[53:26] uh but we do have a lot of debt and we
[53:29] have a lot we have provinces too.
[53:30] They're quite indebted. But um I would
[53:33] cut the bureaucracy. I would cut uh
[53:35] consultants, foreign aid. I'd cut way
[53:37] back on foreign aid. Uh the we give out
[53:40] corporate welfare, these checks to
[53:41] corporations. I believe business should
[53:43] make money rather than take money. So I
[53:45] would get rid of that. We're giving a
[53:47] lot of money to fake fake refugees. Um
[53:50] people who come in and don't uh actually
[53:54] or they're not actually fleeing danger.
[53:56] Um like I love real refugees. My wife
[53:58] was a refugee, but I have no time for
[54:01] people who are pretending, but they're
[54:02] not really.
[54:03] >> And what do you mean by pretending to be
[54:04] a refugee? How are they doing this?
[54:06] >> They're not actually endangered in their
[54:07] home country. So, they've come to be
[54:10] declared themselves as students and then
[54:13] wanting to stay, declaring a refugee
[54:15] status.
[54:15] >> Oh, and this is common.
[54:17] >> Yeah, it happens. It happens. And I
[54:19] mean, they just want to have a better
[54:20] life. So I don't I don't begrudge them
[54:22] as people, but we can't we can't spend
[54:24] money on social service to enhance
[54:27] social services, advanced programs that
[54:29] we as Canadians don't get for people who
[54:32] are not paying into.
[54:32] >> So you're not opposed to them being
[54:33] there. You're opposed to them getting
[54:36] >> I'm opposed to them if if they're not
[54:38] real refugees, they shouldn't be brought
[54:40] in as refugees. I think we have to
[54:42] distinguish between those people who are
[54:44] actually in danger in their home
[54:45] country, which is the definition of an a
[54:48] refugee, and someone who just wants to
[54:50] come uh in in excess of uh of their
[54:53] their proper immigration.
[54:54] >> Is it that common that it's actually
[54:56] affecting our economy?
[54:59] >> Right now, it's a challenge because um
[55:00] we had a big number of international
[55:02] students and temporary foreign workers
[55:04] that came in in very large numbers in
[55:06] like 2 or 3 years. um we were bringing
[55:09] in about a million people a year which
[55:11] in in America's terms would be 10
[55:12] million like just if you're doing per
[55:14] capita and it really caused a housing
[55:17] shortage um like some places where you
[55:20] have 26 of these students living in one
[55:22] basement. Um so we're trying to unwind
[55:24] that now
[55:26] >> and how how do you do that?
[55:28] >> Well, when their work permit and their
[55:29] visitor visa runs out, then we have to
[55:32] encourage them to to head back um
[55:35] lawfully,
[55:36] >> right? But you don't want to do it ICE
[55:39] style.
[55:39] >> No. No. I don't think we need to do
[55:41] that. I just think we have to be orderly
[55:43] and lawful about it.
[55:45] >> And is that supported by the Canadian
[55:46] people?
[55:47] >> Yes. Because we're a very welcoming
[55:48] country. We're a nation of immigrants,
[55:50] but we're also a nation of laws. And we
[55:54] the there's a general consensus like
[55:56] across the the spectrum in Canada that
[55:58] there there was the the population
[56:00] growth was too fast for like four or
[56:03] five years. And uh so we're we're trying
[56:06] to unwind that. Now,
[56:08] >> um what are what are the other things
[56:10] that you would have to do to drop your
[56:13] debt and sort of balance your budget and
[56:17] begin to turn things around?
[56:19] >> Well, in addition, so I I I like this
[56:21] idea that actually, believe it or not,
[56:23] the Clint that Bill Clinton and the
[56:25] Republicans did in the '9s in the US. It
[56:28] was called the payo law. It was a very
[56:30] simple principle. Every time the
[56:32] administration wanted to bring in a new
[56:34] dollar of spending, they had to match it
[56:36] with a dollar of savings. So there was
[56:38] no extra net spending for like eight
[56:41] years. And that's when your government
[56:43] balanced its budget and paid off $400
[56:46] billion of debt. That law elapsed in
[56:49] 2002.
[56:50] And immediately after that, America went
[56:53] back into deficits. And you haven't
[56:54] emerged. You've been in deficit now for
[56:56] 25 years. This is about internalizing
[56:59] scarcity. Every creature in the
[57:00] universe, every bird in the trees, every
[57:03] fish in the seas has to live with
[57:04] scarcity, maximizing use of scarce
[57:07] resources. The only creature who doesn't
[57:09] do that is the politician because he's
[57:11] always using someone else's money,
[57:13] >> right? It's like, oh, I'll just print it
[57:15] or borrow it or tax it. It's not my
[57:17] money.
[57:18] >> And so, they routinely show up to their
[57:20] cabinet meetings and say, I've got a new
[57:22] idea. It's $100 million. Where are you
[57:24] going to get it? I don't know. We'll
[57:25] print it. We'll borrow it. We'll we'll
[57:27] tax it. Not my money. But if you had a
[57:29] law saying you can't actually bring a
[57:31] proposal to cabinet unless you have
[57:32] matching savings to pay for it, well
[57:34] then you'd have these politicians
[57:35] walking up and down the hallways in
[57:36] their departments looking for waste and
[57:38] like rooting it out. So instead of
[57:41] making the single mom, the senior or the
[57:43] small business owner live with scarcity,
[57:45] I want the politicians and bureaucrats
[57:46] to live with scarcity. And that's what I
[57:48] would impose by law on my government.
[57:51] >> Well, it's just a rational way to deal
[57:54] with the problem. like don't spend money
[57:57] unless you could save money.
[57:58] >> Exactly.
[57:59] >> That's how you balance things out. I
[58:00] mean, Clinton did balance the budget.
[58:03] >> He did
[58:03] >> during his time. And people forget that
[58:04] because we've always assumed that
[58:06] there's always been this extraordinary
[58:07] debt, but that's not the case. During
[58:09] the 1990s,
[58:11] >> I mean, it he did a fantastic job at
[58:13] that.
[58:14] >> Yeah. They I mean, it was that Congress
[58:15] was was very disciplined as well, and
[58:17] the American people just got fed up and
[58:18] said, "We're not tolerating these
[58:20] deficits anymore." And and they imposed
[58:22] scarcity from the center. And by the
[58:24] way, the economy boomed because the
[58:25] government was restrained. Then the free
[58:27] market economy could just roar. And
[58:30] that's uh another part of the equation,
[58:32] by the way, is unlock the power of free
[58:35] enterprise. Like this is the 250th
[58:38] anniversary, not just of the Declaration
[58:40] of Independence, but also of Adam
[58:43] Smith's Wealth of Nations, where he
[58:45] basically for the first time in human
[58:46] history described the free market
[58:48] system. And um that was starting to
[58:51] flourish in the states and in parts of
[58:53] Europe. And that system
[58:56] basically started to come into place
[58:58] after you know the late 1770s. The
[59:01] growth since the free market system has
[59:03] came in come into place in in the world
[59:05] has been 200 times faster than it was
[59:08] before because there's is the most
[59:11] powerful system for generating material
[59:13] benefit for the people and that's what
[59:15] we need to restore in Canada. I want to
[59:17] make it the freest economy in the world.
[59:20] Well, that all sounds amazing. How the
[59:22] hell did you lose?
[59:29] How can a rational person not vote for
[59:31] that? I mean, you're not saying anything
[59:32] that's restrictive. You're not saying
[59:34] anything that is in any way infringing
[59:37] on people's rights or liberties or It
[59:40] just sounds like it's all just 100%
[59:42] positive for Canada.
[59:43] >> That's what I think. That's that's my
[59:45] mission and I think it will be positive
[59:47] and we'll get there, you know. Um,
[59:49] Canadians do things through evolution,
[59:50] not revolution. So, I'm just going to
[59:53] keep pushing my ideas and I think that I
[59:55] think overwhelmingly we'll we'll win the
[59:56] next election.
[59:57] >> Well, it sounds like
[01:00:00] I I just can't see how someone would
[01:00:02] listen to what you're saying and say I
[01:00:04] find fault in this. Other than like the
[01:00:06] the potential environmental impact of
[01:00:09] extracting resources, I could see how a
[01:00:12] lot of the greenies would get like
[01:00:13] really upset and get their panties in a
[01:00:15] bunch about that and and be very
[01:00:17] incredulous to the idea that you're
[01:00:18] going to protect the environment while
[01:00:20] you're extracting all these resources.
[01:00:22] But if you could lay it all out and also
[01:00:24] lay out this enormous economic impact
[01:00:27] and how it would uplift impoverished
[01:00:29] communities, how it would completely
[01:00:31] change the economic landscape of the
[01:00:34] country,
[01:00:35] >> it just only makes sense. That's why I'm
[01:00:37] baffled.
[01:00:40] >> Well, listen, the people render their
[01:00:41] judgment, but I it means I have to do a
[01:00:43] better job of uh processing.
[01:00:45] >> What were the criticisms of you? like
[01:00:46] what did your opponent say that like
[01:00:50] people that resonated with people?
[01:00:52] >> Um
[01:00:52] >> what were they trying to say?
[01:00:53] >> It was funny because they all disagreed
[01:00:56] with my ideas and they said these are
[01:00:57] all very scary ideas.
[01:00:58] >> Scary
[01:00:59] >> and then they said first of all they
[01:01:01] said they said that I had no policies
[01:01:03] then they said uh they're scary policies
[01:01:05] and then they stole my policies right
[01:01:06] before the election. So uh but hey
[01:01:09] listen if the government that's in power
[01:01:11] now steals all my ideas and does the
[01:01:13] things I want to do then I then I've
[01:01:15] won. That's why I came here. I didn't
[01:01:16] just do it so that I could have the my
[01:01:18] name on the door. So, I keep saying to
[01:01:20] the prime minister, "Seal my ideas."
[01:01:22] >> Right. But he doesn't want to.
[01:01:25] >> Well, he uh I I won't criticize him on
[01:01:28] foreign soil. We'll uh but uh
[01:01:31] >> Good for you.
[01:01:31] >> Yeah. I mean, uh we have a mutual
[01:01:33] respect.
[01:01:33] >> That's such a Canadian thing to do.
[01:01:34] >> That is a very Canadian thing to do.
[01:01:36] >> So polite, you know,
[01:01:38] >> that's what I'm saying about Canadians.
[01:01:39] They're so polite. It's funny, your
[01:01:41] security guy was talking about the
[01:01:43] Canadian standoff of uh, you know, when
[01:01:45] you get to a door, you go first. No, you
[01:01:46] go first. No, you go first. You could
[01:01:47] stay there all day. I actually looked
[01:01:49] this up the other day. Ontario actually
[01:01:51] has an apology act. It's a law that
[01:01:54] defines the apology because we always
[01:01:56] say sorry in Canada. So, they wanted to
[01:01:58] clarify that sorry is not a legal
[01:02:00] admission of guilt. So, like if we get
[01:02:01] into a car accident, I say, "Oh, sorry
[01:02:03] man. I was terrible at your bumper. It
[01:02:05] doesn't mean that I'm guilty."
[01:02:07] So, it's actually in law. Even if
[01:02:10] somebody else screwed up, you say sorry.
[01:02:13] That's funny. That's so Canadian.
[01:02:15] >> But you know, the the great thing about
[01:02:17] Canada is we've always sorted our [ __ ]
[01:02:19] out peacefully. Like the the the the
[01:02:21] Protestants and Catholics tore each
[01:02:23] other's eyeballs out in Europe for like
[01:02:25] hundreds of years. And then we came to
[01:02:27] Canada and just got along. And and
[01:02:29] that's the great thing about Canada is
[01:02:30] like you can come you know Muslims and
[01:02:32] Jews, Christians uh and uh uh sorry um
[01:02:36] Protestants and Catholics uh Hindus and
[01:02:38] Sikhs they come to Canada and they just
[01:02:40] get along. They live on the same streets
[01:02:42] eventually. We all start intermaring and
[01:02:44] uh it's a it's a great thing about
[01:02:46] Canada.
[01:02:46] >> Well, it really is a great melting pot,
[01:02:49] you know.
[01:02:49] >> Yeah. And and like folks get to keep
[01:02:51] their their cultures like uh at the same
[01:02:54] time as uh blending into the Canadian
[01:02:56] identity. Like my wife my wife's from
[01:02:58] Venezuela and uh so like you know
[01:03:01] oftentimes I like I'm I'm in the house
[01:03:03] and there's like 16 Latinos and they're
[01:03:05] all speaking Spanish. I have no idea
[01:03:06] what the hell's going on and uh they
[01:03:09] have this food. It's called a jackass.
[01:03:11] And I said you know when they start
[01:03:12] start cooking this stuff I thought my I
[01:03:14] said to my wife did did your mom just
[01:03:16] call me a a jackass? Um cuz that's what
[01:03:19] it sounded like.
[01:03:20] >> I don't speak any Spanish but uh
[01:03:22] >> you should probably learn.
[01:03:23] >> I should now.
[01:03:23] >> They're yapping in your house. It's a
[01:03:24] great It's a great uh My kids are
[01:03:27] starting to learn Spanish, so I'm going
[01:03:28] to be outnumbered.
[01:03:29] >> Yeah, you better learn it.
[01:03:30] >> Yeah.
[01:03:31] >> Yeah.
[01:03:32] >> But
[01:03:32] >> um so what else is uh an an issue in
[01:03:37] Canada that you would like to fix?
[01:03:40] >> Talk to me those napkins. I got a I got
[01:03:43] an allergy I'm dealing with.
[01:03:45] >> We we got to toughen up our justice
[01:03:46] system. Um it it got way too soft.
[01:03:50] And uh
[01:03:51] >> What's wrong with your justice system?
[01:03:52] >> Basically bail. Um I I mean we all
[01:03:55] believe in the basic principle that
[01:03:57] you're innocent till approve pro proven
[01:03:58] guilty. But if someone's convicted has
[01:04:01] have like 150 prior convictions and
[01:04:03] they're newly arrested on their latest
[01:04:05] crime.
[01:04:05] >> Yeah.
[01:04:06] >> I don't think we should be releasing
[01:04:08] them onto the streets. And uh so we got
[01:04:10] two lakhs on bail. So there's now a
[01:04:13] consensus in Canada that you should have
[01:04:15] severe restrictions on repeat offenders.
[01:04:18] Like in Vancouver, they had to arrest
[01:04:19] the same 40 guys 6,000 times in one
[01:04:23] year. 40 guys, 6,000 arrests. So,
[01:04:26] they're basically being released within
[01:04:29] hours of their latest arrest. So, we're
[01:04:31] we're we now built a bipartisan
[01:04:33] multipartisan consensus to fix that. And
[01:04:36] uh we're pushing to toughen the bail
[01:04:38] system um and ensure that it's the
[01:04:42] repeat offenders. It's a tiny group. We
[01:04:44] don't have a lot of criminals in Canada,
[01:04:46] but they do a tremendous amount of
[01:04:47] crime. So, if you take them off the
[01:04:48] street, you put them in prison, you can
[01:04:51] basically reduce the crime rate
[01:04:52] dramatically.
[01:04:53] >> Well, we probably have more crime
[01:04:55] percentage-wise in America, but it's
[01:04:57] still a small percentage of the
[01:04:59] population that commits the crime. But
[01:05:01] it's the same issue. Like in New York
[01:05:02] City, it's extraordinary the amount of
[01:05:04] people that are repeat offenders. Yeah.
[01:05:06] >> And they just let them go. In
[01:05:08] California, no cash bail, let them go.
[01:05:11] It's like it is bananas. And it doesn't
[01:05:13] make any sense and it doesn't make
[01:05:15] anybody help. I understand you want to
[01:05:17] be empathetic and I understand these
[01:05:19] narratives that the prison system is
[01:05:20] racist and the justice system is racist
[01:05:23] and these people never been given a a
[01:05:25] great shake in life. Well, if you want
[01:05:27] to fix that, start in these impoverished
[01:05:30] neighborhoods, establish community
[01:05:32] centers, establish better education,
[01:05:34] fund that, but don't let hardened
[01:05:37] criminals back on the street when they
[01:05:40] >> they're habitual. They've been if you've
[01:05:43] been arrested 40, 50 times, it doesn't
[01:05:45] seem like you're getting any better. So,
[01:05:47] whatever rehabilitation process they
[01:05:49] have going on there, that's not working.
[01:05:52] So, keep doing the same thing over and
[01:05:53] over again. Unless you like crime, I
[01:05:56] don't understand why you would do that.
[01:05:58] >> This has been, you know, it's imposed by
[01:06:00] these so-called experts. They tell, oh,
[01:06:01] we've done all these studies that show
[01:06:03] that the soft on crime policies work,
[01:06:05] but everywhere it been, it's been tried,
[01:06:07] it's been an absolute disaster anywhere
[01:06:09] in the Western world. We have a town
[01:06:11] called Pentictton. There's one guy who
[01:06:14] the police can tell by looking at the
[01:06:16] the crime rate whether he's been in jail
[01:06:18] or not. He comes out of jail. The crime
[01:06:21] rate for the entire town of actually
[01:06:24] goes up.
[01:06:24] >> That's so crazy.
[01:06:26] >> But you just keep him in prison though.
[01:06:27] >> That seems so simple to solve. It's like
[01:06:30] there's so many of these problems with
[01:06:31] government that it's just like rational
[01:06:33] thinking is one of one of the great
[01:06:36] interviews that I loved about you. you
[01:06:37] were eating an apple and you were
[01:06:39] talking to this guy who was being
[01:06:41] completely ridiculous and you were
[01:06:42] asking him to define what the the issues
[01:06:44] that he had and it was so funny. It was
[01:06:46] like this is what happens when a
[01:06:47] rational person meets a person with
[01:06:49] empty narratives. It was such a weird
[01:06:51] moment because
[01:06:52] >> you just kept eating that apple.
[01:06:54] >> It was such a It was such a good apple.
[01:06:56] It was so good. That's the thing. And
[01:06:58] the thing is I didn't even realize I was
[01:07:00] being taped. I thought it was a print
[01:07:01] interview.
[01:07:02] >> Oh, that's hilarious.
[01:07:04] >> That's why I think I was so relaxed. Uh,
[01:07:07] but so I'm in the most beautiful place
[01:07:08] in the world. If you ever if you haven't
[01:07:10] been to the Okanagan, it's unbelievable.
[01:07:12] Like it's lakes, it's mountains, it's
[01:07:15] nice dry weather and there's orchards
[01:07:17] and vineyards there. Like you'd love it.
[01:07:19] And so I'm in an apple orchard and I'm
[01:07:22] walking around just talking with people
[01:07:23] and my staff says, "This reporter wants
[01:07:25] to do an interview and I'm enjoying the
[01:07:26] apple." He comes up, starts asking
[01:07:28] questions. Nobody who was there thought
[01:07:30] this was a moment. Like we'd thought
[01:07:32] nothing of it. We dumped the whole
[01:07:33] thing. My my staff, unbeknownst to me,
[01:07:35] was recording my whole walk. We dumped
[01:07:37] this 15-minute video on the internet. No
[01:07:39] one noticed it. And like 3 weeks later,
[01:07:41] my phone blows up and people say, "Hey,
[01:07:43] how about that apple?" I'm like, "What
[01:07:44] is he? What are they talking about this
[01:07:46] apple thing?" And then, you know, within
[01:07:48] 3 days, everybody's talking to me about
[01:07:50] this damn apple that I had almost
[01:07:51] forgotten about eating.
[01:07:53] >> So, weird things.
[01:07:54] >> That conversation sort of it embodied
[01:07:59] this issue. It really did because you
[01:08:02] have rational thinking and empty
[01:08:04] narratives colliding
[01:08:06] >> right
[01:08:06] >> while you're eating an apple. Like
[01:08:08] you're so casual about it. You're
[01:08:09] actually eating an apple. Which was so
[01:08:11] perfect. I mean, you couldn't if if you
[01:08:13] planned on like if you had a PR team, I
[01:08:15] think you should be eating an apple.
[01:08:17] They'd be like, "Oo, I like it." So he's
[01:08:19] casual. He's eating fruit. It's healthy.
[01:08:22] You know,
[01:08:22] >> it was totally coincidence. Like out of
[01:08:24] nowhere, not planned. And not even
[01:08:26] noticed. Like I said, no one there
[01:08:28] thought this was going to be a moment.
[01:08:30] We just like totally forgot about it.
[01:08:32] >> Well, it made it in America. It was
[01:08:34] viral in America. And we were like, "How
[01:08:36] come that guy's not the prime minister?
[01:08:38] What the hell's going on?"
[01:08:39] >> Well, in the meantime, you can buy
[01:08:40] ambrosio apples from uh the South
[01:08:42] Okonagan. I'm really plugging a lot of
[01:08:44] uh sales for the Canadian economy today.
[01:08:46] >> You know what I found out about Canadian
[01:08:49] um maple syrup?
[01:08:50] >> What's that?
[01:08:51] >> It is actually a superfood and it is
[01:08:53] actually better for you than honey. Is
[01:08:56] that right?
[01:08:57] >> Yeah. It contains a bunch of polyphenols
[01:08:59] and a bunch of like healthy nutrients.
[01:09:02] >> I always thought maple syrup was just a
[01:09:03] guilty pleasure you poured on pancakes.
[01:09:05] >> No, it's a totally Canadian thing.
[01:09:07] >> It's really good for you.
[01:09:08] >> So, you take it before your workout?
[01:09:09] >> No. No. I just watched a Instagram video
[01:09:12] yesterday. Somebody sent it to me and I
[01:09:14] was like, "What is this?"
[01:09:15] >> We'll have to send you a bunch of maple
[01:09:16] syrup from Canada. I've had a bunch of
[01:09:19] >> We actually have a maple syrup reserve
[01:09:21] in Canada. Like a reserve of of excess
[01:09:24] stockpiles. like a oil reserve.
[01:09:26] >> Well, we don't have an oil reserve. This
[01:09:27] is something I want to change. I want to
[01:09:28] have an oil reserve, but I also want to
[01:09:30] keep the maple syrup reserve cuz we're
[01:09:32] Canadians after all. There's nothing
[01:09:33] more Canadian than that.
[01:09:35] >> Well, it's so delicious. I can't believe
[01:09:36] it's good for you. Make sure that's
[01:09:38] true.
[01:09:40] >> I mean, in what way is it true?
[01:09:42] >> Uh, are there nutrients? Let's put it
[01:09:44] into perplexity. Our sponsored it. I
[01:09:46] compared it verse honey. I'll give you
[01:09:48] what it showed. That's not saying it's
[01:09:49] like better. Maple syrup and honey are
[01:09:51] both sugary, but maple syrup is slightly
[01:09:53] lower in calories. Glycemic index has
[01:09:55] more minerals like magnes
[01:09:58] maganese
[01:09:59] and calcium. While honey is a bit higher
[01:10:02] in calories, has a slightly stronger
[01:10:03] impact on blood sugar.
[01:10:05] Well, this guy on uh Instagram was very
[01:10:09] convincing. I wish I saved it.
[01:10:11] >> I think it's convincing. I think you
[01:10:12] should go with it.
[01:10:13] >> I'm in it.
[01:10:14] >> I'm done.
[01:10:15] >> Stick with it.
[01:10:16] >> Tastes better, too.
[01:10:16] >> Yeah, it's the best. It's fantastic. Put
[01:10:19] that with a little bit of Greek yogurt.
[01:10:20] You get your protein.
[01:10:21] >> Oh yeah,
[01:10:22] >> that's what I do. Greek yogurt
[01:10:24] >> and maple syrup. Maybe start a trend cuz
[01:10:26] everybody uses honey on their yogurt.
[01:10:28] >> No, maple syrup from Canada. Cuz if it's
[01:10:30] not from Canada, it's not the real deal.
[01:10:31] >> Well, there's a lot of fake syrup,
[01:10:33] right?
[01:10:33] >> There's a lot of junk out there. When
[01:10:35] you go to a pancake house and they have
[01:10:37] that stuff in the little plastic cups,
[01:10:39] that's garbage. Yeah. You don't want to
[01:10:40] have That's manufactured crap.
[01:10:43] >> Well, that's the case with honey as
[01:10:44] well. Oh, I had a woman in here once. It
[01:10:45] was a beekeeper and she was explaining
[01:10:47] to us that a lot of uh honey is not
[01:10:49] actually honey. They water it down with
[01:10:52] uh corn syrup.
[01:10:53] >> There's so much shed in our food these
[01:10:55] days.
[01:10:55] >> Yes.
[01:10:56] >> I I believe in eating clean
[01:10:58] >> 100%. Well, I mean that was one of the
[01:11:00] primary factors uh for me supporting
[01:11:03] this administration was RFK Jr. in this
[01:11:06] make America healthy again initiative
[01:11:08] because I think you know I had my friend
[01:11:10] Brigham Beller yesterday from ways to
[01:11:12] well on and you know we hammered this
[01:11:16] many times over and over again but
[01:11:18] people need to hear it we spend more
[01:11:20] money on healthcare and we're sicker
[01:11:22] than we've ever been before and we have
[01:11:24] more chronic illness and we have more
[01:11:26] money none of it makes any sense it's
[01:11:28] completely ridiculous and it's obvious
[01:11:30] that people are eating the wrong things
[01:11:32] and there was so much outrage of him
[01:11:35] implementing all these healthy choices
[01:11:36] and trying to get rid of dyes that are
[01:11:38] illegal in Canada. Like the same cereals
[01:11:41] that the same factory sells in Canada,
[01:11:45] they sell with natural dyes and in
[01:11:47] America we demand them to be more
[01:11:50] colorful so we put poison in them.
[01:11:51] >> Really?
[01:11:52] >> Yeah.
[01:11:53] >> Is that No, you know what what are the
[01:11:55] uh what do you think are the dietary
[01:11:58] habits that are making people in the
[01:12:01] western world sick right now? Like is it
[01:12:03] the dyes? Is it the sugars? Is it the
[01:12:06] carbs? Like what what's getting people
[01:12:07] in?
[01:12:08] >> There's a lot of things. First of all,
[01:12:09] it's processed foods. Processed foods is
[01:12:12] a an enormous percentage of a lot of
[01:12:15] Americans diets.
[01:12:16] >> Things with massive amounts of
[01:12:18] preservatives in them. And that that's
[01:12:21] like if you want like a general
[01:12:22] guideline, eat real food. Eat real eggs,
[01:12:26] real vegetables, real meat, real fish.
[01:12:29] You'll be healthier. Yeah. As soon as
[01:12:30] you start having things that can sit on
[01:12:32] a shelf forever, except things like rice
[01:12:34] and you know normal beans, like things
[01:12:36] that are dried, that makes sense. They
[01:12:38] could sit there. But if something can
[01:12:39] just sit on a shelf for a long period of
[01:12:42] time and you consume it, how is it just
[01:12:44] not rotting? Like I'm sure you've seen
[01:12:46] where they've taken a McDonald's Big Mac
[01:12:48] and they've just let it sit, take a
[01:12:50] cheeseburger in a box and the guy pulls
[01:12:53] it out like 10 years later. It looks
[01:12:54] exactly the same. That's not food.
[01:12:56] >> The bacteria didn't want to eat it. They
[01:12:58] looked at it and they were like, "I'm
[01:12:59] not eating that."
[01:13:00] >> If bacteria doesn't eat it, if mold
[01:13:01] doesn't eat it, that's crazy. Why are
[01:13:03] you eating it? Like, there's something
[01:13:05] in it preventing the mold from growing.
[01:13:08] What is that? Well, that stuff [ __ ]
[01:13:10] with your gut bacteria. It's it's
[01:13:11] terrible for your body. And empty
[01:13:15] calories. And we we consume an enormous
[01:13:17] amount of processed food in this
[01:13:19] country. And if you want to be a
[01:13:21] healthier person, eat real fruit, eat
[01:13:23] real food, eat real vegetables, eat real
[01:13:25] meat. It's that simple. just that that
[01:13:29] would fix 90% of our problems when it
[01:13:31] comes to people's diets.
[01:13:34] >> And we like when my uh my wife once
[01:13:36] looked at some of the baby formula we
[01:13:38] had and she said she looked on it, she
[01:13:40] said, "There's no expiry date on this.
[01:13:41] This never goes bad."
[01:13:42] >> That's crazy.
[01:13:43] >> That can't be that can't be a good
[01:13:44] thing,
[01:13:45] >> right? Meanwhile, breast milk you have
[01:13:46] to freeze, right?
[01:13:48] >> Exactly. So, uh and then what about on
[01:13:50] the like the fitness side? What do you
[01:13:52] think we can do? I mean, beyond you
[01:13:54] you've done a lot just talking about it
[01:13:56] with your the size of your audience,
[01:13:58] you've probably got a lot of people off
[01:14:00] the couch, but what policies do you
[01:14:02] think we could push that would get
[01:14:04] people physically active, working out,
[01:14:07] moving again?
[01:14:08] >> Well, the real important thing is
[01:14:09] community. The the easiest way to get
[01:14:11] fit is to to get around a bunch of other
[01:14:14] people that are also involved in the
[01:14:15] same endeavor, right? If you have a
[01:14:17] bunch of friends that are unhappy with
[01:14:19] the way their life is, like just go walk
[01:14:21] together. say, "Hey guys, let's all go
[01:14:24] for a walk after dinner together, right?
[01:14:26] Let's all decide like as a neighborhood
[01:14:28] to go walk. Just walk for a half an hour
[01:14:30] after your meals. It'll lower your
[01:14:32] glycemic index. It'll change your body.
[01:14:35] It'll make you healthier. You'll feel
[01:14:36] better.
[01:14:37] >> You know, it it just does so much for
[01:14:40] you, just movement and activity. And if
[01:14:43] you're involved with a group of people
[01:14:45] that are also inclined in the same
[01:14:48] direction, they're also trying to get
[01:14:50] better, trying to get fit, then you kind
[01:14:51] of you're, you know, you feed off of
[01:14:54] your atmosphere. People imitate the
[01:14:56] people that are around them and you get
[01:14:58] support from the people that are around
[01:14:59] them. You know, make it a little healthy
[01:15:01] competition. you know, who can, you
[01:15:03] know, do the most exercise and who can
[01:15:06] do the most, you know, what whatever it
[01:15:08] is, like whether it's a sport or whether
[01:15:10] it's a game or whether it's just
[01:15:12] something that you enjoy doing that's
[01:15:14] physically
[01:15:16] physically taxing slightly. It doesn't
[01:15:18] have to be a crazy kettle bell workout
[01:15:20] or a jiu-jitsu class. Just take a just
[01:15:23] take a walk. just just the if the world
[01:15:25] if the United States or Canada or
[01:15:28] anybody that's got problems with their
[01:15:30] health, just decided to start walking,
[01:15:32] right, every day for 20 minutes, it'll
[01:15:34] change your life.
[01:15:35] >> Absolutely.
[01:15:36] >> And then add things to it. Add some body
[01:15:37] weight squats, add some push-ups, skip a
[01:15:40] little rope, do something, take a yoga
[01:15:42] class. It'll change your life,
[01:15:44] >> right?
[01:15:44] >> Just absolutely.
[01:15:45] >> You need activity. The human body has
[01:15:47] needs. And when it doesn't, those needs
[01:15:50] are not met and you don't your
[01:15:52] biological requirements aren't met, you
[01:15:55] get develop anxiety, you get overweight,
[01:15:57] your your muscles atrophy, your bone
[01:15:59] density decreases, you can't open up a
[01:16:02] jar anymore. There's all these problems
[01:16:03] that can be solved with just simple
[01:16:06] movement and activity. You don't have to
[01:16:08] become a fitness nut. You don't have to
[01:16:10] become a gym rat. You just do something
[01:16:12] and that alone. And then change what you
[01:16:15] eat. Drink more water. Stop drinking
[01:16:18] soda. Stop stop stop drinking so much
[01:16:21] alcohol. You know, stop eating processed
[01:16:23] food. If we just slowly but surely get
[01:16:26] this in people's heads. For the longest
[01:16:29] time, people didn't think there was
[01:16:30] anything wrong with eating processed
[01:16:32] food. They didn't think there was
[01:16:33] anything wrong with they thought sugar
[01:16:35] just gave you extra calories. That's it.
[01:16:37] They didn't realize the catastrophic
[01:16:39] health consequences of consuming all
[01:16:41] this sugar, the increase in type 2
[01:16:43] diabetes, all these problems that are
[01:16:45] people are having that people are having
[01:16:46] because of poor diets and lack of
[01:16:49] >> what's your theory though on how that h
[01:16:51] why did that happen? Why did wh what
[01:16:54] caused millions of people to shift their
[01:16:56] diets away from good wholesome real food
[01:16:59] towards the processed garbage?
[01:17:01] >> Well, first of all, marketing, right? Um
[01:17:04] and availability, right? the the the
[01:17:07] they always say the center of the
[01:17:09] grocery store is what you should avoid
[01:17:11] because the center is all the stuff that
[01:17:12] doesn't need to be refrigerated, right?
[01:17:14] Everything on the outskirts, all the
[01:17:15] vegetables and the fruit and the meats
[01:17:16] and the milk, that's all the stuff
[01:17:18] that's healthy because it has to be
[01:17:19] refrigerated because if it's not, it
[01:17:20] goes bad. Things that can just sit on a
[01:17:23] shelf, but things that sit on a shelf
[01:17:25] forever, those are the things that are
[01:17:27] the easiest to profit from because you
[01:17:28] don't have to worry about storage. you
[01:17:30] don't have to worry about refrigeration
[01:17:31] when you're processing or when you're
[01:17:32] moving them and transporting them. You
[01:17:35] know, just education is the most
[01:17:38] important thing because there's a lot of
[01:17:40] people that don't know how much their
[01:17:41] diet impacts them. And then there's also
[01:17:43] the problems that happen in this country
[01:17:45] where the sugar industry literally bribe
[01:17:48] scientists to pass the blame on
[01:17:50] saturated fat and pretend that this was
[01:17:53] the cause of all these heart issues that
[01:17:55] people were having and all the obesity
[01:17:57] that it was just fat. So then people
[01:17:58] started eating all these seed oil rich
[01:18:01] foods like mayonnaise or excuse me like
[01:18:04] margarine and you know and corn oil and
[01:18:07] canola oil all this
[01:18:08] >> when it's better just to have tallow or
[01:18:10] butter.
[01:18:10] >> Yes. It's like natural food. Your body
[01:18:13] knows what to do with it.
[01:18:14] >> Yeah. And beef is like a superfood. A
[01:18:16] nice fatty piece of beef. Best thing you
[01:18:19] can eat.
[01:18:20] >> It's so good for you.
[01:18:20] >> You got iron, you've got fat, you've got
[01:18:23] protein and creatine. It's all packed
[01:18:25] into that one superfood. It is. And
[01:18:28] people, there's a lot of people that
[01:18:29] live very healthily off a carnivore
[01:18:31] diet. And that astounds people. They
[01:18:33] don't understand it because they've been
[01:18:35] pushed into this idea. Well, one of the
[01:18:36] things they did in America that's great
[01:18:38] is they reversed the food pyramid. Our
[01:18:40] food pyramid was all grains at the
[01:18:42] bottom. Was all wheat and grains, which
[01:18:44] is like there's nothing wrong with
[01:18:46] eating that as long as you're being
[01:18:48] smart about it. You don't eat too much
[01:18:49] of it. But if that's your primary diet,
[01:18:52] like guess what? Your insulin's going to
[01:18:54] spike. You're going to be hungry all the
[01:18:55] time. you're going to get fat. It's just
[01:18:57] not good. It's not good to eat.
[01:18:59] >> When I cut the carbs out and I went
[01:19:00] basically uh into ketosis, um I felt
[01:19:03] great because instead of having all the
[01:19:06] ups and downs when my blood sugar was
[01:19:08] down,
[01:19:09] >> when you're in ketosis, you um you
[01:19:12] basically live off your fat stores. Yes.
[01:19:14] >> You have like a a consistent flow of
[01:19:16] energy whenever you need it because and
[01:19:17] I've obviously I've got some here and
[01:19:20] and so uh I I feel lighter. I I have to
[01:19:22] sleep less now. I don't have to sleep as
[01:19:24] much because I don't I don't eat the big
[01:19:25] heavy carbs any I cheat once in a while,
[01:19:27] but but the big heavy carbs that your
[01:19:29] body breaks down, you gota you got to
[01:19:31] sleep more to work through all those
[01:19:32] heavy carbs. So,
[01:19:34] >> you feel it when you eat them. I love
[01:19:36] carbs, don't get me wrong. Like, I love
[01:19:38] I'm Italian. I love spaghetti. I love
[01:19:41] pizza. I love Italian subs. I love them.
[01:19:43] But I eat them sparingly. And when I eat
[01:19:45] them, I feel it. I feel it. Like, it's
[01:19:47] amazing while you're eating it. And then
[01:19:49] you're like,
[01:19:50] >> you got hit with a tranquilizer dart.
[01:19:52] It's just not good. It's not good for
[01:19:54] you. If I eat a steak, I feel great. If
[01:19:56] I eat a steak, I don't feel
[01:19:59] I don't feel in any way tired after I'm
[01:20:02] done. I don't feel exhausted, like
[01:20:04] completely full. Also, they have a high
[01:20:07] satiety rate. Like, if you eat just
[01:20:09] steak, you're only going to eat what you
[01:20:11] need. Like this, your body knows when to
[01:20:14] stop. But if there's mashed potatoes
[01:20:16] next to this steak and spaghetti next to
[01:20:17] this steak and bread and all these other
[01:20:19] things, you're just going to keep
[01:20:20] eating. and cake and butter and ice or
[01:20:23] not butter, but like cake and ice cream
[01:20:25] and all this other you're going to keep
[01:20:26] eating and you're going to consume
[01:20:28] excess calories.
[01:20:29] >> But beef is really expensive now. Like
[01:20:31] it's really hard to put a steak on your
[01:20:33] plate. Uh these for the average guy,
[01:20:35] it's it's insane. It's twice as
[01:20:36] expensive of pork in Canada right now.
[01:20:39] >> Well, there's also this dumb narrative
[01:20:40] that cows are responsible for climate
[01:20:43] change, which is just absolutely insane.
[01:20:45] And whoever started promoting that needs
[01:20:48] to go to jail cuz it's you've done a
[01:20:50] terrible disservice to people,
[01:20:51] especially regenerative farming. That's,
[01:20:54] you know, actually sequesters carbon.
[01:20:56] >> Absolutely.
[01:20:57] >> And it's it's healthy for you.
[01:20:59] >> No, the the farming the ranchers in my
[01:21:01] area are fantastic. They produce an
[01:21:03] incredible product. We've got the the
[01:21:05] the North America has the smallest
[01:21:06] cattle herd since 1951 this year.
[01:21:09] >> That's nuts.
[01:21:10] >> Very small herd. And that's why it's so
[01:21:12] hard to get beef.
[01:21:12] >> Why is that? What? Um I think uh I think
[01:21:15] there's been a demand spike in the last
[01:21:18] couple of years. Um beef prices were low
[01:21:20] for long. So a lot of ranchers got out
[01:21:22] of it. They just said we can't I can't
[01:21:23] stay in this business losing money every
[01:21:25] year. And then all of a sudden prices
[01:21:27] started to go up and uh and moods have
[01:21:31] changed a lot on beef even in the last 3
[01:21:33] four years. So now they're trying to
[01:21:35] keep up with the demand. But um I'd like
[01:21:38] I'm happy to see the the ranchers doing
[01:21:40] well, but I'd sure like to see middle
[01:21:43] class families to be able to afford to
[01:21:45] have beef again. Um but you know, back
[01:21:48] my theory on one of the reasons why the
[01:21:50] marketing has shifted towards all this
[01:21:51] processed crap, and this goes back to my
[01:21:54] obsession, which is inflation. Because
[01:21:56] what instead of just raising the prices,
[01:21:59] they downgrade the quality of the food.
[01:22:01] They strip out the nutrients and they
[01:22:04] inject garbage into our food. uh the the
[01:22:07] the companies do that is ultimately less
[01:22:10] nutritious, but it the price tag doesn't
[01:22:13] necessarily look like it's changing. So,
[01:22:15] it's one of the more insidious ways that
[01:22:17] the the system is able to charge you to
[01:22:20] to to pass inflationary costs on without
[01:22:23] you seeing it in that the price tag
[01:22:25] that's underneath the product.
[01:22:27] >> They also engineer food to be
[01:22:28] compulsive, like you're more compulsive
[01:22:31] to overeat. Yeah, sure. Especially like
[01:22:33] chips and stuff like that. America,
[01:22:35] >> what country do you think does nutrition
[01:22:37] the best around the world?
[01:22:39] >> Well, that's a good question. Um, well,
[01:22:41] Japan has one of the lowest obesity
[01:22:43] rates, right? And when you look at
[01:22:46] Japanese food, like what is it? It's
[01:22:48] like fish and rice and vegetables and
[01:22:50] it's it's they don't use glyphosate, I
[01:22:53] don't think. I think I think the way
[01:22:55] they process their wheat is very
[01:22:57] different than ours. you know, we have
[01:22:59] uh higher glycem we we have higher
[01:23:02] gluten in our wheat because so like we
[01:23:05] have more complex glutens in our wheat,
[01:23:06] so we have higher yield and then on top
[01:23:09] of that they dry all the wheat out with
[01:23:10] glyphosate at the end which is [ __ ]
[01:23:12] terrible for you.
[01:23:13] >> Interesting.
[01:23:13] >> And they were trying to ban that in
[01:23:17] America, but then Trump passed an
[01:23:19] executive order u stopping it. So this
[01:23:22] is one of the things that Kennedy kind
[01:23:24] of ran on is that he wanted to stop the
[01:23:27] ubiquitous use of glyphosate.
[01:23:29] >> Okay?
[01:23:29] >> And especially glyphosate, you know,
[01:23:32] used with wheat to dry it out. So it's
[01:23:35] not used uh as an herbicide. It's used
[01:23:38] to dry out the wheat at the end so that
[01:23:41] it doesn't get moldy,
[01:23:42] >> which is crazy. You're spraying poison
[01:23:45] on wheat. And most Americans, if you
[01:23:49] test them, have glyphosate in their
[01:23:51] blood, you know, and the apologists will
[01:23:53] say, "Oh, but it's at safe levels."
[01:23:54] Well, we don't even really know what
[01:23:56] that means. You We're talking about
[01:23:57] decades and decades of of consuming this
[01:24:00] stuff. That can't be good. I mean, it
[01:24:02] literally kills plants. It it destroys
[01:24:05] gut bacteria. It can't be good. It would
[01:24:08] would be better. When you eat overseas,
[01:24:10] like if I eat pasta or bread in in
[01:24:12] Italy, it you feel better. It doesn't
[01:24:15] kill you like it does in America. It
[01:24:16] doesn't like you don't get that same
[01:24:19] feeling.
[01:24:19] >> Interesting. I didn't know I don't know
[01:24:21] anything about glyphosate, but um one of
[01:24:23] the things I
[01:24:24] >> Do you guys use glyphosate in Canada?
[01:24:26] >> I don't know anything about it. I I feel
[01:24:28] bad saying that, but I should do my
[01:24:29] homework on that one. I
[01:24:31] >> We have corn that's engineered to
[01:24:32] survive glyphosate. We have Roundup
[01:24:34] ready corn. So So that you could spray
[01:24:37] glyphosate on the corn that kills all
[01:24:39] the other things that you don't want
[01:24:41] growing.
[01:24:41] >> Okay. But how is that how can that be
[01:24:44] good? Like most like they they did a
[01:24:48] test of uh California wines and what was
[01:24:52] the number? It was like some
[01:24:54] preposterous number of California wines
[01:24:57] tested positive for glyphosate.
[01:24:59] >> In the high 90s, I think.
[01:25:01] >> Okay.
[01:25:01] >> Which is just nuts.
[01:25:03] >> Yeah. I don't know anything about
[01:25:04] glyphosate. I have to admit my research.
[01:25:06] You've piqued my curiosity. The problem
[01:25:09] is in America, our food system is
[01:25:13] entirely dependent on it at this point.
[01:25:15] You know, they want to change it. And so
[01:25:17] there's a lot of strategies. One of them
[01:25:18] is there they they have these machines
[01:25:21] that use lasers. And these lasers go
[01:25:24] over a field and actually target the
[01:25:26] weeds. So instead of spraying poison on
[01:25:28] them, they just zap these weeds and they
[01:25:31] can identify the difference between the
[01:25:32] weed and the crop.
[01:25:33] >> Really?
[01:25:33] >> Yeah.
[01:25:34] >> That's incredible.
[01:25:35] >> Yeah. The wine was 10 out of 10 tested,
[01:25:37] but this
[01:25:37] >> 10 out of 10.
[01:25:38] >> I was looking at the Japanese obesity
[01:25:40] thing. They have an interesting law that
[01:25:41] they put in place in 2008 where I
[01:25:45] believe it says workplaces have to
[01:25:46] measure people's waists of adults over
[01:25:50] 40 to find out if they're potentially
[01:25:52] overweight.
[01:25:53] >> Wow.
[01:25:54] >> Those people don't get fined. The
[01:25:55] companies get fined. So, they have to
[01:25:57] then provide them counseling, diet
[01:25:58] advice, exercise guidance, etc.
[01:26:01] >> Wow.
[01:26:01] >> And they also use a lower BMI than we
[01:26:04] do. There theirs starts at 25. It says
[01:26:06] it's because they have a higher risk in
[01:26:09] Asian populations for
[01:26:12] uh obesity.
[01:26:13] >> Interesting. I wonder why that is.
[01:26:16] >> I wonder if that's because of a lot of
[01:26:18] rice consumption.
[01:26:19] >> Way lower. 46 4 to 6% compared to 42%.
[01:26:24] >> Wow, that's crazy. Their obesity rates
[01:26:26] are 4 to 6%. And we're 42.
[01:26:31] 42 is nuts. 42 is so crazy.
[01:26:34] >> Try to find out what the Japanese are
[01:26:36] doing. My next stop has got to be Tokyo.
[01:26:38] >> Yeah. Well, they eat healthy food, you
[01:26:40] know, and and that but that does make
[01:26:42] sense. I mean, implementing something
[01:26:43] like that, it sounds very restrictive,
[01:26:45] you know? I mean, I don't want to tell a
[01:26:47] guy he can't have a gut. Like, I I have
[01:26:49] a lot of friends that are fat and I love
[01:26:50] them to death. I'd like them to be
[01:26:52] healthy, but I wouldn't, you know, I
[01:26:56] don't believe you should have that kind
[01:26:57] of control over people. I think you
[01:27:00] should encourage healthy behavior. I
[01:27:02] don't think you should mandate it.
[01:27:03] >> Yeah, we need we need carrots, not
[01:27:05] sticks. Carrots literally.
[01:27:07] >> Literally.
[01:27:08] >> But the the system is like um you know,
[01:27:11] I think of the opioid thing. That's an
[01:27:13] incredible story. Really?
[01:27:14] >> That's a horrible story. That's a
[01:27:16] horrible story. And you know, the fact
[01:27:18] that no one's going to jail for that is
[01:27:20] infuriating. what they did and what the
[01:27:24] the deception that they use to pretend
[01:27:27] that that stuff is not addictive, that
[01:27:29] it's not the same as heroin is just
[01:27:32] absolutely atrocious. And the fact that
[01:27:34] they got away with it and that the
[01:27:36] Sackler family, just that one family, I
[01:27:38] don't know if you ever seen the Netflix
[01:27:40] docky drama series. Yeah.
[01:27:42] >> Painkiller or what was it? Was it called
[01:27:44] Painkiller?
[01:27:45] >> They're the guys from Purdue, right?
[01:27:48] >> Purdue Pharma. I think they were Purdue
[01:27:49] Pharma if I'm not mistaken. I mean, how
[01:27:52] many lives were destroyed by that?
[01:27:54] >> Well, a half a million ended in the US.
[01:27:58] >> Yeah. At least
[01:28:00] >> 50,000 in Canada. We lo we lost more
[01:28:02] people in the last 10 years to opioid
[01:28:05] overdoses than we lost fighting in the
[01:28:07] Second World War.
[01:28:08] >> And God, that's so crazy. And we, you
[01:28:11] know, these companies, I mean, it
[01:28:13] started in the states with Purdue and uh
[01:28:16] a number of others where they basically
[01:28:18] started lying to the system and paying
[01:28:21] they actually paid bonuses to
[01:28:23] distributors for every overdose they
[01:28:25] caused. They tracked the overdoses and
[01:28:28] then paid bonuses to distributors
[01:28:31] because that was an indicator of how
[01:28:32] successfully they were pushing the drugs
[01:28:35] onto doctors and pharmacists and the
[01:28:38] system. This all came all came out in
[01:28:40] the in the court uh because there was a
[01:28:41] huge lawsuit
[01:28:42] >> and they the companies had to pay $50
[01:28:44] billion because of an American
[01:28:47] government lawsuit against them, but
[01:28:49] they actually paid bonuses for overdose
[01:28:51] rates.
[01:28:52] >> That's true.
[01:28:52] >> That's insane.
[01:28:54] >> It's wild. And they they basically they
[01:28:56] were very very strategic. They said,
[01:28:58] "We're going to go to workingclass
[01:29:01] neighborhoods where there's huge
[01:29:03] unemployment." So, you know, in the rust
[01:29:04] belt of America where people were out of
[01:29:07] work and they obviously had some minor
[01:29:09] industrial injuries and said, you know,
[01:29:11] this will solve every ache and pain.
[01:29:13] Take Oxycontton. And it felt great when
[01:29:16] they first started taking it. And then
[01:29:17] it spread into Canada as well. And then
[01:29:20] it mutated in from Oxycontton into
[01:29:22] fentinyl, which is 100 times more
[01:29:24] powerful than heroin. It can stop your
[01:29:27] your lungs in 15 seconds. Just
[01:29:30] absolutely deadly. And uh we you know
[01:29:33] these companies these dirt bag companies
[01:29:35] should be paying uh hundreds of billions
[01:29:38] of dollars to cover the treatment and
[01:29:40] recovery of the people whose lives have
[01:29:42] been ruined by this.
[01:29:43] >> Well, it's just insane that they only
[01:29:46] had to pay a percentage of the amount of
[01:29:48] money that they profited.
[01:29:50] >> And
[01:29:51] >> it is insane. They should have gone to
[01:29:52] jail.
[01:29:53] >> They should have gone to jail. They
[01:29:54] should have had to pay first of all give
[01:29:55] all the money back.
[01:29:56] >> Yeah.
[01:29:57] >> I mean what you did was unbelievably
[01:30:00] evil. Absolutely.
[01:30:01] >> And you were allowed to profit from it,
[01:30:03] which is crazy.
[01:30:05] >> Even the Sackler family, the amount that
[01:30:06] they got fined was a small percentage of
[01:30:10] what they actually made.
[01:30:11] >> I don't know how people live with
[01:30:12] themselves when they do that.
[01:30:13] >> They're sociopaths. They have to be.
[01:30:15] >> They basically got into the entire
[01:30:16] system, the health care system, the
[01:30:19] medical accum community, and they pushed
[01:30:21] these over prescriptions. Um, and then
[01:30:24] they got this crazy idea that they
[01:30:26] pushed in places like Portland and
[01:30:28] Seattle and San Francisco that the
[01:30:30] government should start giving out
[01:30:31] opioids that are safer than the ones
[01:30:33] that are on the street as an alternative
[01:30:35] to keep people from having contaminated
[01:30:37] drugs, which made the problem even worse
[01:30:40] because those the the addicts would sell
[01:30:42] those to kids so that they could buy the
[01:30:44] harder stuff off the street and it
[01:30:46] expanded it even more. And um so one of
[01:30:50] the things we're focused on in my plan
[01:30:51] is is massive treatment and recovery
[01:30:54] programs to get people off drugs.
[01:30:56] Abstinence-based treatment is
[01:30:57] incredible. It gets very successful and
[01:31:00] uh we're saving lives now in Canada. You
[01:31:02] get them in, you get them counseling,
[01:31:04] group therapy treatment, uh sweat lodges
[01:31:07] for First Nations, uh people's um
[01:31:10] physical exercise is a big part of it. I
[01:31:12] went to one treatment center in
[01:31:14] Saskatchewan and they actually bought
[01:31:15] these rusted out weights and they had
[01:31:17] they had the guys like lifting weights
[01:31:19] and the bureaucrats are saying, "Well,
[01:31:20] why are you spending my money on
[01:31:21] weights? What does that have to do with
[01:31:22] it?" He says, "What's then the best
[01:31:23] thing we had?" These guys started to see
[01:31:25] their biceps grow and they're like, "I
[01:31:27] want to look like this and if I take
[01:31:28] drugs, I'm not going to look like this."
[01:31:30] So, it was one of the the best things
[01:31:31] they did. Um, then you get them into
[01:31:33] jobs and treatment and uh there's one
[01:31:36] guy that uh I met in BC, he he was going
[01:31:39] to kill himself. He drove his car into a
[01:31:41] brick wall because he was so ruined by
[01:31:43] his addiction, but he didn't die. He
[01:31:45] couldn't even pull it off. So, he
[01:31:48] actually went into treatment, turned his
[01:31:49] life around, started a business. He's
[01:31:51] got six employees, and now he's going
[01:31:53] out on the street and like helping, you
[01:31:55] know, pulling guys off the street and
[01:31:56] bringing them in and saving their lives.
[01:31:58] So, uh it's actually a really hopeful
[01:32:00] ending to the story if we can get to
[01:32:02] shift all our resources over to
[01:32:04] treatment and recovery services, which
[01:32:05] is one of my big uh objectives.
[01:32:07] >> Are you aware of Ibagane? No.
[01:32:10] >> So, former Republican governor of Texas
[01:32:12] Rick Perry is involved in this Ibegan
[01:32:15] initiative here in Texas. And one of the
[01:32:17] things that they found, you know, he
[01:32:19] works very closely with veterans and uh,
[01:32:22] you know, obviously a lot of these guys,
[01:32:23] they come back from the war, they have
[01:32:26] PTSD, they have a lot of pain, they get
[01:32:29] addicted to pills, and then they have an
[01:32:32] incredibly difficult time getting off of
[01:32:33] it. And there's a treatment called
[01:32:36] Ibagane. And Ibagane comes from the
[01:32:39] aboga tree. It's uh like a natural
[01:32:42] psychedelic that has no recreational
[01:32:46] use whatsoever. It's not fun and it's
[01:32:49] it's apparently a brutal 24-hour
[01:32:51] experience, but it rewires the brain,
[01:32:55] stops the pathways of addiction. And
[01:32:57] just one I gain treatment, one session,
[01:33:00] the amount of people that never go back
[01:33:04] to using those drugs is in the 80%.
[01:33:07] >> Really?
[01:33:07] >> When they do two sessions, it's in the
[01:33:10] '9s.
[01:33:10] >> Wow.
[01:33:11] >> It's incredible. So, they're
[01:33:12] implementing it here. And Rick Perry,
[01:33:14] who was like a staunch anti-drug
[01:33:18] hardline Republican guy, great guy, but
[01:33:21] realized from talking to these veterans,
[01:33:24] >> maybe you have to have an open mind and
[01:33:26] look at this. We have this blanket term
[01:33:28] that we use for drugs and we say, "Oh, I
[01:33:31] gain a drug. You don't want to take
[01:33:33] drugs." But this psychedelic, this
[01:33:35] Ibagane, apparently it it's like a
[01:33:39] 24-hour review of your life that in some
[01:33:44] way, some chemical way, rewires your
[01:33:47] system and stops the pathways of
[01:33:49] addiction.
[01:33:50] >> It's like a factory reset.
[01:33:51] >> Yes.
[01:33:52] >> Wow.
[01:33:52] >> Yes.
[01:33:53] >> That's crazy.
[01:33:54] >> And so they're starting to implement it
[01:33:55] here in Texas and they're going to use
[01:33:57] it.
[01:33:57] >> So they studied this or they've done
[01:33:59] like a And they've done is it approved
[01:34:00] like as a treatment or what? Well, it's
[01:34:02] being approved here in Texas and they're
[01:34:04] trying to do it in other places. And I
[01:34:06] know uh a friend of mine, my friend Ed
[01:34:08] Clay, he started a center down in
[01:34:10] Mexico. And the reason why he did it was
[01:34:12] because he got hooked on pills. He hurt
[01:34:14] his back. He got hooked on pills. He had
[01:34:16] to figure out how to get off of it. And
[01:34:17] he did one ibagane session, got clean
[01:34:20] really
[01:34:20] >> and was like, I need to educate people
[01:34:23] and help people with this. And we start
[01:34:25] this system
[01:34:26] >> and you know, and it's very successful.
[01:34:29] I know multiple people that have done it
[01:34:31] and especially veterans that have done
[01:34:34] it and had profound changes in their
[01:34:36] life because of this.
[01:34:37] >> Amazing.
[01:34:37] >> Yeah. And again, there's no recreational
[01:34:40] use for this. There's no chance of
[01:34:42] abusing it. Okay.
[01:34:43] >> It's not fun. Like to get people to do
[01:34:45] it twice is very hard. Okay.
[01:34:47] >> But even doing it once, but if you do
[01:34:49] it, it's incredibly effective. Much more
[01:34:53] effective than any other form of
[01:34:54] therapy.
[01:34:54] >> Really? Yes.
[01:34:55] >> Okay. Well, I'll have to look out for
[01:34:57] that one cuz we need it. We still have a
[01:34:58] challenge up in Canada.
[01:34:59] >> I can connect you with Rick Perry and
[01:35:02] he's he's him and Brian Hubbert are
[01:35:05] incredible with their the advocacy and
[01:35:08] the the promotion of this what they've
[01:35:10] done is really amazing.
[01:35:11] >> Yeah, we got to we got to get uh get
[01:35:13] people off these drugs and uh you know
[01:35:15] we're we're doing we're making some good
[01:35:17] progress in Canada. Um our biggest
[01:35:19] challenges are are just the long-term
[01:35:21] aftermath of the opioid uh problem like
[01:35:24] you have had down here. But um but like
[01:35:27] I think uh I think we can overcome it
[01:35:30] and uh we have to try some new things in
[01:35:32] order to get people off these things cuz
[01:35:34] they're because it's when you're doing
[01:35:35] fentinol it's it's Russian roulette. It
[01:35:37] could be you might not have more than a
[01:35:39] day to live if you're still taking that
[01:35:41] stuff. So
[01:35:41] >> it's so dangerous.
[01:35:43] >> It's in everything. It's in so many
[01:35:44] different um street versions of pills
[01:35:48] that people think are safe like Xanax.
[01:35:51] There's like illegal Xanax like street
[01:35:54] Xanax and there's fentinyl in them.
[01:35:55] People take it and they die.
[01:35:57] >> Right. Absolutely. I've met so many
[01:35:58] mothers. They just come up to me at my
[01:36:00] rallies and things and they tell me the
[01:36:01] story and they show me a picture and you
[01:36:03] say, "Man, it's a beautiful child. That
[01:36:04] child looks healthy and smart and she
[01:36:07] went to a party and they were handing
[01:36:09] the [ __ ] out." And
[01:36:10] >> there's a high school kid here in town
[01:36:12] that took uh street aderall and it had
[01:36:15] fentinel in it and he died.
[01:36:16] >> Is that right?
[01:36:17] >> Yeah. Somebody sold them what he thought
[01:36:18] was aderall. Look, that's what killed
[01:36:20] Prince. That's what killed Tom Petty.
[01:36:22] >> Aderal.
[01:36:23] >> No. No. Fentinel. Fentinyl.
[01:36:25] >> They got street drugs from someone like
[01:36:28] they're both in pain and they they
[01:36:30] become addicted to the pills and then
[01:36:32] they got like a pill from a roadie.
[01:36:34] >> I didn't know that.
[01:36:34] >> And took it and died.
[01:36:36] >> I didn't know that. Petty, did he sing
[01:36:37] uh Last Dance?
[01:36:39] >> Last Dance for Mary Jane. Yeah.
[01:36:40] >> Right. That's really sad.
[01:36:42] >> Oh, he sung a bunch of amazing songs.
[01:36:44] American Girl. I mean, Tom Petty was a
[01:36:46] legend and died because of fentanyl.
[01:36:48] Prince is one of the great musical
[01:36:49] genius of of human history.
[01:36:52] >> And fentanyl got him too. died from
[01:36:54] fentanyl. He had hip pain. He needed a
[01:36:56] hip replacement. His hip was blown out
[01:36:58] and he was in agony all the time. So, he
[01:37:00] started taking pills and then next thing
[01:37:01] you know, you're hooked.
[01:37:03] >> I've had family members that got hooked
[01:37:05] on it.
[01:37:06] >> Is that right? Did they get through it?
[01:37:08] >> Well, one of them didn't. Yeah. I mean,
[01:37:10] he he hurt his back doing construction
[01:37:13] and started taking pills and now he's a
[01:37:15] waste.
[01:37:16] >> That's the sad thing. That's the sad
[01:37:17] thing is it's they're good people and
[01:37:20] they're not lawbreaking people. Often
[01:37:22] it's folks who work in physically
[01:37:24] demanding jobs, they get an injury
[01:37:26] >> and uh it's easy to judge, but when
[01:37:28] you're in excruciating pain and you find
[01:37:31] something that makes it go away, it's
[01:37:34] understandable.
[01:37:34] >> Also, if you're not educated in these
[01:37:37] subjects and you just trust the doctor,
[01:37:39] you go to a doctor and the doctor says
[01:37:41] you need pain medication and then all of
[01:37:43] a sudden you're on it.
[01:37:45] >> You know,
[01:37:45] >> it's it's easy to see how people get
[01:37:47] locked into that and and then they can't
[01:37:49] break loose. So, The pathway to physical
[01:37:52] addiction is it's so well known and
[01:37:54] studied. It's very very addictive, which
[01:37:57] is why it's so horrific that they
[01:37:59] actually promoted the fact that these
[01:38:01] things are not addictive when they were
[01:38:02] promoting them.
[01:38:02] >> No, they knew exactly what they were
[01:38:04] doing. They were absolute crooks. And
[01:38:06] I'm hoping we get big settlements out of
[01:38:08] them the way you did down here. And I
[01:38:09] want to put all that money into
[01:38:10] treatment and recovery. Get people off
[01:38:12] these drugs and rescue them. I think we
[01:38:15] can save these lives. The treatment, it
[01:38:17] works. It It's tough. Like the people
[01:38:19] who go through it, they say it's it was
[01:38:20] the worst experience of my life to go
[01:38:23] through that withdrawal, but it can be
[01:38:25] done and you come out stronger on the
[01:38:27] other side.
[01:38:27] >> It can be done. And and I think the most
[01:38:29] important thing is prevention and and
[01:38:31] education and letting kids know like,
[01:38:33] hey, this is not what you want to get
[01:38:35] involved with. You want to have a happy,
[01:38:37] successful life, this is going to stop
[01:38:39] that. This is going to keep you from
[01:38:41] having this might kill you and it's
[01:38:43] definitely going to ruin you.
[01:38:44] >> Yeah. But you're right about fitness
[01:38:45] though cuz when I was young I I I hung
[01:38:48] around with a lot of people who got into
[01:38:49] a lot of trouble and I could have ended
[01:38:50] up there. The reason I didn't frankly is
[01:38:53] sports. So I I had something else to
[01:38:55] drive me. So it's one of the reasons why
[01:38:57] we need to get our young people active
[01:38:58] in sporting activities when they're in
[01:39:00] that age group because if you're not
[01:39:02] giving them an outlet then they'll end
[01:39:04] up down that scary path.
[01:39:05] >> Oh 100%. And also you realize that if
[01:39:08] you want to be effective in sports like
[01:39:09] you can't party. It's like it'll rob you
[01:39:12] of your vitality.
[01:39:14] you of your performance.
[01:39:15] >> No, I when I played hockey and I I
[01:39:17] showed up a few times hung over and I
[01:39:18] was just [ __ ] Like I was terrible. But
[01:39:21] uh you learned pretty quick that you got
[01:39:22] to be on your game. So we've got to
[01:39:24] promote more of the fitness at the at
[01:39:26] the youth level as well. And um and is
[01:39:29] that happening here? It's funny. I
[01:39:30] remember when I came down here um as a
[01:39:33] 16-year-old. I haven't been here in 30
[01:39:34] years. Um, I uh we we got into town and
[01:39:39] the people who were hosting us uh were
[01:39:42] driving us to their home and we saw this
[01:39:43] stadium and there's like 20,000 people
[01:39:46] and it was in Houston and I said, "Is
[01:39:48] that the Cowboys playing?" And they
[01:39:50] said, "No, no, that's that's a high
[01:39:51] school league." It's like, "Oh, okay. In
[01:39:53] Canada, we don't have high school
[01:39:55] leagues with 20,000 people coming out."
[01:39:58] >> But um but the sports are so massive
[01:40:00] here.
[01:40:00] >> Oh, football is gigantic here. It's a
[01:40:03] religion. Yeah, it's incredible.
[01:40:05] >> Crazy. And
[01:40:06] >> who do you cheer for, by the way?
[01:40:07] >> In in Texas.
[01:40:09] >> Yeah. You personally?
[01:40:10] >> Well, I I've got into UT football.
[01:40:13] >> Okay.
[01:40:13] >> I really love uh going to the UT games.
[01:40:15] It's uh it's so fun and it's so they're
[01:40:19] so enthusiastic and they they just love
[01:40:22] it. It's like when you're a part of it,
[01:40:24] when the touchdowns get scored and
[01:40:25] everybody's cheering, it's like it's
[01:40:27] it's so contagious, right? It's really
[01:40:30] amazing. And it's just like the
[01:40:31] enthusiasm they have for it. It's like
[01:40:33] you're like, "Wow." Like, "This is a
[01:40:34] great these people love this here." But
[01:40:37] I've I've been to high school football
[01:40:38] games and it's the same thing. Like pack
[01:40:40] stadiums for high school football games
[01:40:42] and you're like, "This is nuts, man.
[01:40:44] These people love their sports."
[01:40:45] >> We're like that for hockey in Canada.
[01:40:47] Oh, yeah. It is serious. Serious. Like
[01:40:49] parents are very fixated. And I think I
[01:40:51] think it's actually a good thing. Some
[01:40:52] people say, "Oh, it's terrible." I think
[01:40:54] it's great to have parents that are
[01:40:56] competitive because they're pushing
[01:40:56] their kids to be better and more
[01:40:58] excellent. And even if they don't end up
[01:40:59] as NHL hockey players, it gives them the
[01:41:02] comp competitive ed. And I want us to be
[01:41:03] a more competitive society.
[01:41:06] >> Well, when I was a kid, I I worked at
[01:41:08] the Boston Athletic Club. Um and uh one
[01:41:11] of the people that I I was a fitness
[01:41:14] instructor when I was 19, and one of the
[01:41:16] people that I worked with was Bobby
[01:41:17] Orur.
[01:41:18] >> Oh, really?
[01:41:18] >> Yeah. Bobby or used to come there and
[01:41:20] train him. We used to have to help him
[01:41:21] get on the Versa Climber machine because
[01:41:23] his body was so wrecked. Really?
[01:41:25] >> He had so many surgeries. His knees were
[01:41:28] so destroyed. He had scars all up and
[01:41:32] down his knee because he he had knee
[01:41:34] surgery back when they were just
[01:41:35] experimenting. You know, they didn't
[01:41:36] really know how to fix knees. They just
[01:41:38] cut you open, screwed things back
[01:41:41] together again, and then it would blow
[01:41:42] apart again, and then you'd wind up
[01:41:43] having another surgery. So, he had many,
[01:41:46] many knee surgeries, and he could barely
[01:41:48] walk,
[01:41:49] >> but he was still doing some kind of
[01:41:50] physical activity.
[01:41:51] >> Yeah, he was playing raetball. He was
[01:41:53] >> How old was he at the time?
[01:41:56] This was 1986.
[01:42:00] So I mean
[01:42:01] >> geez that's like what 40 years ago now?
[01:42:03] >> Uhhuh. Yeah. So he was
[01:42:06] you know he was probably in his 50s 40s
[01:42:09] or 50s. He was but he was he could
[01:42:12] barely walk. I mean he his knees didn't
[01:42:14] straighten out
[01:42:15] >> really.
[01:42:15] >> They they were always like slightly bent
[01:42:18] and they only bent that much. His range
[01:42:19] of motion was very small. So you had to
[01:42:22] help him like get on machines. but the
[01:42:24] nicest guy and a legend. Like you
[01:42:26] couldn't believe he was really there.
[01:42:28] >> Like he he would walk into the the gym
[01:42:30] and you're like, "Oh my god, really?" As
[01:42:32] I was 19, I never met a famous person
[01:42:34] and I was like, "That's Bobby or
[01:42:35] >> absolutely
[01:42:36] >> this is nuts." But it also made me
[01:42:38] realize like, boy, knee surgery is no
[01:42:40] joke. Like this guy was like an
[01:42:42] incredible athlete and now he can't even
[01:42:44] straighten his leg out.
[01:42:46] >> Yeah. It's all temporary. You got to
[01:42:48] take care of yourself.
[01:42:49] >> Yes. Do you do you have like residual
[01:42:52] injuries from fighting back in in the
[01:42:54] day?
[01:42:55] >> Oh yeah. Yeah. I've had three knee
[01:42:56] surgeries, two reconstructions.
[01:42:58] >> Was that from taekwond do?
[01:43:00] >> Yeah. And jiu-jitsu. One of one of my
[01:43:02] ACL injuries was from uh jiu-jitsu.
[01:43:04] >> And what uh like what injuries are the
[01:43:07] most common in jiu-jitsu?
[01:43:08] >> Knees, backs, necks, shoulders. Those
[01:43:12] are the big ones. Elbows.
[01:43:13] >> Is that because of the the arm bars and
[01:43:15] all that stuff?
[01:43:16] >> Yeah. Not tapping. That's a big one. A
[01:43:19] lot of a lot of guys get hurt just
[01:43:20] because their ego because they don't
[01:43:21] want to tap.
[01:43:22] >> And you don't you don't strike me as the
[01:43:24] type of guy who taps very quickly.
[01:43:25] >> Well, when I was younger, I was really
[01:43:27] stupid and I I wasn't into tapping.
[01:43:29] >> Right.
[01:43:31] >> But, uh, as I got older, I got a lot
[01:43:33] smarter. Fortunately, I got a lot
[01:43:35] better. So, I wasn't like in a situation
[01:43:37] where I had to tap a lot, but if I did,
[01:43:39] I did. I just tapped. And that's the
[01:43:41] smart thing to do. And I would tell
[01:43:42] people, treat it like you're playing
[01:43:44] basketball. Don't treat it like it's
[01:43:46] your life or death. The game is life or
[01:43:48] death. The game is if a guy gets you in
[01:43:50] an arm bar, he's essentially breaking
[01:43:52] your arm. If he breaks your arm, he can
[01:43:53] kill you, right?
[01:43:54] >> That's the game. But don't treat it like
[01:43:57] that. Treat it like you can tap and keep
[01:44:00] going. Or you can not tap and your arm's
[01:44:02] going to be destroyed maybe for the rest
[01:44:04] of your life.
[01:44:04] >> Right.
[01:44:05] >> And I've seen that happen with people
[01:44:06] where they're their forearm snaps and
[01:44:08] they have to have plates in it and then
[01:44:10] it's a chronic injury for the rest of
[01:44:11] their life.
[01:44:12] >> Right. Yeah. No, I can imagine that. And
[01:44:14] what about in in taekwond do like you
[01:44:17] you told the story once about how you
[01:44:18] really clocked a guy. I think it was a
[01:44:20] real kick or something
[01:44:21] >> and that like freaked you out.
[01:44:22] >> That changed my whole outlook on
[01:44:24] fighting because I realized that could
[01:44:26] happen to me. And I I had knocked people
[01:44:28] out before, but I'd never knocked
[01:44:30] anybody out where they didn't get up.
[01:44:33] Like usually they get up and they're
[01:44:34] wobbly and you know they get sat down
[01:44:36] and the you know medics take care of
[01:44:38] them and you know after a while they're
[01:44:40] walking around and this guy never got up
[01:44:43] and I never really got over that. I
[01:44:46] never had the same u lust for hurting
[01:44:49] people cuz it was just I was young you
[01:44:52] know I was 19 and when you're 19 you
[01:44:54] think you're invincible or you don't you
[01:44:57] don't think about the consequ I knew I
[01:44:59] could get hurt. I've been hurt before.
[01:45:00] I'd been kicked really hard and punched
[01:45:02] really hard before. I knew I was
[01:45:04] vulnerable, but I didn't think there
[01:45:06] would going to be anything permanent.
[01:45:08] >> Did the guy ever get out of the
[01:45:09] hospital?
[01:45:10] >> I don't know. Really?
[01:45:11] >> I don't know what happened to him.
[01:45:12] >> Well, maybe
[01:45:13] >> I don't know what happened to him.
[01:45:14] >> Maybe he'll hear the show and give you a
[01:45:15] call and say that he's all right.
[01:45:16] >> Oh, no. No. He probably don't want to
[01:45:17] talk to me.
[01:45:19] >> Well, your your spinning back kick is
[01:45:21] incredible. I saw you and GSP doing that
[01:45:24] uh video where you were showing him how
[01:45:25] to do the back kick. Yeah.
[01:45:26] >> Did he ever use that in a fight?
[01:45:28] >> Yeah, he did. Yeah, he did. He landed
[01:45:30] it.
[01:45:30] >> Yeah, he used it a lot. It's a thing
[01:45:31] that like
[01:45:33] >> it you have to almost grow up doing it,
[01:45:36] >> right?
[01:45:37] >> You know, unless you're deal like Jon
[01:45:39] Jones developed it later in his career.
[01:45:41] >> I saw that he wizard, but he kind of
[01:45:43] like started implementing it uh like
[01:45:45] like sort of three two/3 through through
[01:45:47] his career. Did you teach him how to do
[01:45:48] that?
[01:45:48] >> No. No, I did not. He worked with a taco
[01:45:50] with no coach in Albuquerque.
[01:45:51] >> Okay. and uh he just really worked on
[01:45:53] that one technique specifically when he
[01:45:55] went up to heavyweight because the guys
[01:45:57] would be first of all less agile and
[01:45:59] mobile and also it was the kind of
[01:46:01] technique where he could stop a guy with
[01:46:02] one shot right
[01:46:03] >> and when you're a guy who's smaller than
[01:46:05] most heavyweights which John is because
[01:46:07] he was a light heavyweight so he was
[01:46:08] fighting at 205 most of his career and
[01:46:11] just as a challenge decided to go up to
[01:46:13] heavyweight but he's so intelligent he
[01:46:15] realized like I need a one shot that I
[01:46:18] could put people away so he spent hours
[01:46:20] and hours every week just going over the
[01:46:23] spinning back kick.
[01:46:24] >> Really? To the body or the head?
[01:46:25] >> Yeah, the body.
[01:46:26] >> The body.
[01:46:26] >> Yeah. It's like getting hit by a car,
[01:46:28] >> right? You with that sp like a wheel
[01:46:31] kick to the head is really difficult to
[01:46:34] develop. That's It's like a fast twitch
[01:46:36] thing that it's almost like your body
[01:46:38] has to evolve and grow doing that to
[01:46:42] really develop the kind of speed that
[01:46:44] you could pull it off on a skilled
[01:46:46] opponent in a fight. the accuracy like
[01:46:48] to try and time that all that must be
[01:46:50] incredible.
[01:46:50] >> I mean there's there's there's freak
[01:46:52] athletes that could pick it up later in
[01:46:53] life. There's some people that are just
[01:46:54] really good at everything. They just
[01:46:56] have amazing dexterity and coordination
[01:46:58] and but for most people you like I
[01:47:01] learned it when I was a kid. So like my
[01:47:04] body matured doing those things. My body
[01:47:07] matured kicking and it became a part of
[01:47:09] like just my average like normal
[01:47:12] movement of life,
[01:47:13] >> right? You know
[01:47:14] >> that's amazing. Uh, and uh, the the
[01:47:16] spinning back kick though, uh, is it
[01:47:19] typically a body kick you throw? Is that
[01:47:21] >> when you throw I've thrown it to the
[01:47:22] face, too? Especially a jump spinning
[01:47:24] back kick to the face.
[01:47:25] >> Wow.
[01:47:25] >> But, um, the the
[01:47:27] >> Wasn't it really the Koreans that
[01:47:29] developed so they could actually kick a
[01:47:30] man off a horse in war? Is that why the
[01:47:33] kicks are so high?
[01:47:34] >> I don't think so. I think it was just
[01:47:36] cuz they were they're smaller in stature
[01:47:38] and they realized that you had to have
[01:47:39] more powerful kicks.
[01:47:41] >> Okay.
[01:47:41] >> You know, like cuz your legs are always
[01:47:43] carrying your body around. There's a lot
[01:47:45] more mass to your muscles and your legs
[01:47:46] and there's a lot more force you can
[01:47:48] generate with your kicks.
[01:47:49] >> Did you ever see the fight between Rick
[01:47:52] Rufus and that Muay Thai guy? Oh yeah.
[01:47:55] >> Wasn't that incredible?
[01:47:56] >> Yeah, that changed kickboxing. We've
[01:47:58] we've showed that fight a hundred times
[01:48:00] on this podcast.
[01:48:01] >> It's amazing because it was like
[01:48:03] Americans versus Thai and
[01:48:05] >> but we didn't really understand leg
[01:48:07] kicks, right?
[01:48:07] >> Because PKA karate and I found this out
[01:48:11] later because of Benny Eritz who came in
[01:48:13] the podcast. He told me that the reason
[01:48:14] why they didn't allow leg kicks in PKA
[01:48:17] karate was because of Bill Wallace. So
[01:48:19] Bill Superfoot Wallace famously had one
[01:48:22] leg that he kicked with. It was cuz his
[01:48:24] other leg, he had a bad knee, right?
[01:48:26] >> And he didn't want anybody kicking his
[01:48:28] legs.
[01:48:28] >> Interesting.
[01:48:29] >> So he promoted this idea that only have
[01:48:32] above the waist kicks,
[01:48:33] >> right?
[01:48:34] >> And that's what we had in America. Like
[01:48:35] that's what Johnny Etero fought most.
[01:48:37] >> That's right. He did. He fought Rufus
[01:48:39] himself actually.
[01:48:39] >> Yes. Yeah. No, that that that was
[01:48:42] incredible because if you looked at the
[01:48:43] the art form, Rufus was so much more
[01:48:47] beautiful to watch than the tie guy. He
[01:48:50] came in, he sp he broke the guy's jaw in
[01:48:51] the first round, I think. Hey, he
[01:48:54] knocked him down a few times. Was it
[01:48:55] once or twice?
[01:48:56] >> He knocked him down a couple times, I
[01:48:58] believe. But it was really
[01:48:59] >> And the guy just kept chopping his leg
[01:49:00] and and then I think he he went out in a
[01:49:02] in a stretcher because his leg was
[01:49:04] busted in like nine places or something.
[01:49:05] >> He didn't know what to do. He didn't
[01:49:07] understand it. What was really
[01:49:08] interesting is his brother Duke became a
[01:49:10] Muay Thai world champion after that
[01:49:12] fight.
[01:49:12] >> Was that the Was that the the guy who
[01:49:14] was at the fight commenting after the
[01:49:16] fight? Yes, I remember that.
[01:49:17] >> He was saying it doesn't take any
[01:49:19] >> There's no skill. Yes, I remember that.
[01:49:20] >> Well, he he was embarrassed by that
[01:49:21] later in his life because he became one
[01:49:23] of the top MMA trainers.
[01:49:25] >> Really? And he he took on Muay Thai.
[01:49:27] >> Yes. Well, he became a Muay Thai world
[01:49:29] champion and he developed Rufus Sport,
[01:49:31] which is a great gym in Milwaukee. A top
[01:49:33] gym. Developed world champions like
[01:49:34] Anthony Pettis. So he was uh you know he
[01:49:38] was a pioneer. It was one of the guys
[01:49:40] that had to figure it out and you know
[01:49:41] he spent time in Thailand. They all they
[01:49:43] all learned it. They had to learn
[01:49:45] >> because it was
[01:49:45] >> Where's the best place in Thailand to
[01:49:46] go? Is it Fuket? Is it Bangkok? Like
[01:49:48] where?
[01:49:49] >> Oh, there's so many good places.
[01:49:50] Thailand's the real motherland of Muay
[01:49:52] Thai obviously. And it's like, you know,
[01:49:54] um Phuket's amazing.
[01:49:56] Bangkok's amazing. I mean, there's so
[01:49:59] many amazing gyms that are in uh in
[01:50:03] Thailand.
[01:50:03] >> They're tough. There's whole strips in
[01:50:05] Phuket. My wife and I were there on
[01:50:07] vacation once and we just stumbled on
[01:50:08] this whole street
[01:50:10] >> and uh you could do there was sort of
[01:50:12] Americanstyle boxing. There was there
[01:50:14] was a CrossFit type thing. Then there
[01:50:16] was that Tiger Muay Thai and a bunch of
[01:50:18] other Muay Thai facilities. And then
[01:50:20] there's there's like street vendors that
[01:50:21] would were were cooking meals
[01:50:23] specifically for people who are there
[01:50:26] training. Um, like you could buy a
[01:50:28] beautiful hard-boiled eggs and and
[01:50:31] avocado and uh chicken strips and this
[01:50:33] is like high protein just catered to the
[01:50:36] people who come from around the world to
[01:50:37] train for like five, six weeks in a in a
[01:50:40] clinic.
[01:50:40] >> And there's people that do it just
[01:50:41] recreationally. My friend Mark, he's uh
[01:50:44] he's a businessman. He's in his 60s and
[01:50:46] he did it.
[01:50:46] >> He went over to Thailand.
[01:50:48] >> Did he survive?
[01:50:48] >> Yeah, he trained. He spars all I saw him
[01:50:51] the other day. He had a black eye. He's
[01:50:52] in his 60s. I'm like, what are you
[01:50:54] doing, man? So if you were starting from
[01:50:55] scratch, you and you wanted to be a MMA,
[01:50:58] would you do like you go to uh Thailand
[01:51:01] and do a do like a two months there and
[01:51:03] then go to Dagistan to learn how to
[01:51:05] wrestle? Is that would that be the best
[01:51:06] combo?
[01:51:07] >> If you were starting out, if you're a
[01:51:08] kid, I would say wrestling. Wrestling is
[01:51:10] number one. Yeah, that's the most
[01:51:12] important thing to learn because if a
[01:51:14] guy can take you down, he could do
[01:51:15] whatever he wants to. If he could take
[01:51:17] you down and hold you down and beat you
[01:51:18] up,
[01:51:19] >> if you don't know how to wrestle, you
[01:51:20] can't fight. Right. You needed at least
[01:51:22] to learn wrestling just to understand
[01:51:24] wrestling take down defense.
[01:51:26] >> But you did jiu-jitsu later in life,
[01:51:28] didn't you?
[01:51:29] >> Yes.
[01:51:29] >> Right.
[01:51:29] >> I didn't start jiu-jitsu till I was 29,
[01:51:32] I think.
[01:51:33] >> Yeah. And who who do you like right now?
[01:51:35] Who do you think is the most interesting
[01:51:36] fighter to watch these days?
[01:51:38] >> Oh, there's so many. It's impossible to
[01:51:40] say the most interesting. There's a guy
[01:51:42] uh from Spain, Ilia.
[01:51:44] >> Yeah. I really like Tapora. He's
[01:51:48] what David Gogggins calls uncommon
[01:51:51] amongst uncommon men.
[01:51:52] >> Want some more coffee?
[01:51:53] >> No, no, thank you. I'm good. Thank you.
[01:51:55] He's a freak. I mean, he's just
[01:51:57] incredibly talented.
[01:51:59] >> Weird. Weirdly talented. Like his last
[01:52:01] three fights, he knocked out three
[01:52:03] all-time greats.
[01:52:04] >> Holloway.
[01:52:05] >> Yeah. Holloway, Alexander, um um uh and
[01:52:11] um
[01:52:13] uh Charles Olivera. So that's crazy.
[01:52:16] Vulcganowski, who's like one of the
[01:52:18] greatest featherweights of all time,
[01:52:20] knocked him out, knocked out Max
[01:52:22] Holloway, another one of the greatest
[01:52:23] featherweights of all time. And then
[01:52:25] Charles Olivera, one of the greatest
[01:52:26] lightweights of all time. He knocks out
[01:52:28] three guys in three fights. There's no
[01:52:30] one has a resume like that.
[01:52:31] >> And he's not like, as I understand, he
[01:52:32] was a Greco Roman guy, right?
[01:52:35] >> And he became a boxer later on.
[01:52:37] >> He's just How do you describe? How do
[01:52:40] you describe
[01:52:42] like so I'm I'm not I'm not
[01:52:44] knowledgeable in this area, but it the
[01:52:46] way he he almost looks like he has a
[01:52:47] Philly shell.
[01:52:48] >> Is that a Philly shell what he does with
[01:52:50] >> a little bit of that? Well, he has
[01:52:51] amazing defense. It's just amazing
[01:52:54] awareness and he pattern recognition,
[01:52:58] technique. It's he's like he's a
[01:53:01] combination of all things, right?
[01:53:03] incredible confidence, incredible
[01:53:04] intelligence, insane discipline, work
[01:53:07] ethic, but just uh great training
[01:53:10] methods. Like he does everything right.
[01:53:12] And then insane confidence. Like his
[01:53:14] confidence is insane. He when he fought
[01:53:17] Charles Olivera for the lightweight
[01:53:19] title, he celebrated his victory the
[01:53:21] night before. He had a party to
[01:53:23] celebrate the night before the fight and
[01:53:25] then went out and knocked Charles out in
[01:53:27] the first round and said he was going to
[01:53:28] knock Charles out in the first round.
[01:53:30] >> That's incredible.
[01:53:31] >> One punch. Boom.
[01:53:32] >> But you know what impresses me most
[01:53:34] about him is how he got up after that
[01:53:35] kick to the head he took. That was
[01:53:37] incredible. And you know who else did
[01:53:39] that was GSP. Remember when GSP took
[01:53:41] that head and he went down but he
[01:53:43] recovered quickly
[01:53:45] >> and he was talking to me about how cuz I
[01:53:48] said to him like in politics you get hit
[01:53:49] you get hit right and not not physically
[01:53:52] if you're lucky but but you have to be
[01:53:54] able to get up quickly and react to it.
[01:53:56] And I asked him how did you do it? How
[01:53:57] did you like how does your brain go from
[01:53:59] taking that kind of hit to getting back
[01:54:02] in the fight and turning it around? And
[01:54:04] he said he like it's t two very deep
[01:54:06] breaths through the nose and then out
[01:54:07] through the mouth and get some oxygen
[01:54:09] back into your system and focus your
[01:54:11] mind. I thought that was an incredible
[01:54:13] lesson.
[01:54:13] >> Well, I mean it's all in how you get
[01:54:16] kicked cuz you could just get knocked
[01:54:18] out
[01:54:19] >> and then it's over.
[01:54:20] >> There's nothing you could do. If you get
[01:54:21] shut off, you get shut off and certain
[01:54:23] people get shut off. It just you just
[01:54:25] get kicked. You can get kicked and it
[01:54:27] kind of glances off of you or you can
[01:54:29] get kicked and it just slams right into
[01:54:31] the side of your neck and it the lights
[01:54:33] go dark,
[01:54:34] >> right? But if you're if you're still
[01:54:36] able to to recover and and think
[01:54:38] quickly, it's incredible to have that
[01:54:40] kind of pre-programming to ready you for
[01:54:43] a moment like that.
[01:54:44] >> Well, I mean that's a big part of his
[01:54:47] what I was talking about the the camp
[01:54:49] that he comes from. I mean, Farasa Hab
[01:54:51] is like one of the most intelligent and
[01:54:53] one of the most brilliant trainers in
[01:54:55] the sport.
[01:54:56] >> Who's this?
[01:54:56] >> Farasa Hobby. He's the guy from
[01:54:58] Montreal. Tristar.
[01:54:59] >> So, he's the guy who trains just
[01:55:01] >> trains GSP.
[01:55:02] >> Oh, GSP. Okay. Yes.
[01:55:04] >> And I mean, I think that is that's a big
[01:55:06] part of why GSP was able to recover.
[01:55:09] Like they prepare for everything,
[01:55:10] >> right?
[01:55:11] >> You know, it's like there's nothing left
[01:55:12] to chance. Like he he hires people to
[01:55:15] try to knock George out in training.
[01:55:17] That was one of the things he did. It
[01:55:19] would give them more money if they could
[01:55:20] knock him out. So they would just so he
[01:55:22] would be like fully prepared, right,
[01:55:24] >> when he was fighting? Like they leave no
[01:55:26] stone uncovered.
[01:55:28] >> Don't you have to like budget though the
[01:55:30] number of head shot
[01:55:31] >> 100%. But he was pretty confident that
[01:55:33] George I mean it wasn't like he was
[01:55:34] doing this with a beginner. He was doing
[01:55:36] this with a world champion, one of the
[01:55:38] greatest of all time. He he you know he
[01:55:40] wanted George to be in danger,
[01:55:42] >> you know. So George had to fight like he
[01:55:44] was going to fight inside the octagon,
[01:55:46] >> right?
[01:55:46] >> In danger. Because John Jones said
[01:55:49] somewhere that he had like every time he
[01:55:51] gets hit hard in in camp, he's he said
[01:55:54] like I just that that's part of my brain
[01:55:56] budget that's that's been taken away.
[01:55:58] >> Well, that's why John's so smart. He he
[01:56:01] recognizes that there's a lot of people
[01:56:02] that don't think that way. John also
[01:56:04] famously won't take a fight on short
[01:56:06] notice.
[01:56:07] >> Is that right?
[01:56:07] >> He wants to be fully prepared for a
[01:56:09] fighter. Even a guy like when he fought
[01:56:11] Chel Sunen, um they offered him a Chale
[01:56:14] Sunen fight on short notice and he said
[01:56:15] no. Like there is not a time, no
[01:56:18] disrespect to Chale, he's a great
[01:56:20] fighter.
[01:56:20] >> No, there's not a time on this life in
[01:56:22] this earth where Chel Son is going to
[01:56:25] beat Jon Jones. It's just not going to
[01:56:26] happen. He could have taken that fight
[01:56:27] on one day's notice and still beat Chale
[01:56:29] Sun. He's that much better than him. But
[01:56:32] he still wouldn't take it. He's like,
[01:56:33] "No, I want to be fully 100% prepared."
[01:56:36] >> That's smart, though.
[01:56:37] >> Yeah. Also, he hated Chale. And so he
[01:56:39] wanted to make sure that there was not a
[01:56:41] chance that Chale could do anything to
[01:56:42] him that he would have been able to
[01:56:44] wouldn't have been able to do if he was
[01:56:45] trained.
[01:56:46] >> Do these guys hate each other
[01:56:47] >> sometimes.
[01:56:48] >> Is it most of them do they respect or is
[01:56:51] it depends on the fight?
[01:56:52] >> It really depend. Like when Ilia Tapora
[01:56:54] fought um Charles Aivera, he actually
[01:56:57] apologized to him before the fight. He
[01:56:59] said, "I'm sorry. It has to be you. I
[01:57:01] really like you."
[01:57:05] >> Kind of crazy.
[01:57:06] >> He's got to be careful though. hated
[01:57:08] people, too. He's hated people he
[01:57:09] fought, too. I mean, there's some people
[01:57:10] that just rub you the wrong way. There's
[01:57:12] some people there's strategies to get
[01:57:13] inside your head and [ __ ] with you and
[01:57:15] and for you to fight with emotion.
[01:57:17] >> Well, Habib with um
[01:57:19] >> Conor McGregor.
[01:57:19] >> With McGregor, he he really hated
[01:57:21] McGregor. He wasn't going to almost
[01:57:22] didn't let go when the tap happened,
[01:57:24] right?
[01:57:24] >> Yeah. Yeah.
[01:57:25] >> That was that was something else. Is
[01:57:27] Conor ever going to come back, do you
[01:57:28] think?
[01:57:29] >> Only Conor knows. I mean, if he's going
[01:57:32] to, he has to do it soon. I mean, I
[01:57:33] think he's 30. How old is he now? 37.
[01:57:38] He
[01:57:39] >> he's jacked now, eh?
[01:57:40] >> Yeah. Well, not anymore.
[01:57:41] >> Oh, he came back down.
[01:57:42] >> He was uh on the Mexican supplements for
[01:57:44] a while.
[01:57:45] >> Okay.
[01:57:45] >> Because he was trying to uh recover from
[01:57:48] his uh leg break,
[01:57:50] >> right?
[01:57:50] >> So, when he fought Dustin Porier,
[01:57:52] >> I remember that
[01:57:52] >> he got on some stuff to try to recover
[01:57:54] for that. I don't know what he got on,
[01:57:56] but clearly it helped. He got huge. He
[01:57:58] got super jacked. The problem with
[01:58:00] getting super jacked like that is then
[01:58:01] you get addicted to what got you super
[01:58:03] jacked cuz you if you're on steroids you
[01:58:05] feel like Superman, you know, you you
[01:58:07] feel like you could just run through
[01:58:09] walls and then you get off of it and now
[01:58:11] your endocrine system has to kind of
[01:58:13] catch up to the fact that you've been
[01:58:15] giving it exogenous tech testosterone
[01:58:18] for all these months and so that it
[01:58:20] takes a long time for you to get back to
[01:58:22] a normal healthy level so you feel like
[01:58:24] [ __ ] It's hard for these guys to get
[01:58:26] off of steroids,
[01:58:27] >> right? I can imagine you get addicted to
[01:58:28] being that I
[01:58:30] >> I've never done it. I don't plan on it.
[01:58:32] >> How old is he?
[01:58:33] >> 37.
[01:58:34] >> 37. Almost 38.
[01:58:35] >> That's getting up there. Who's the
[01:58:37] oldest fighter that's ever been in the
[01:58:38] octagon? Like who's a serious
[01:58:39] competitor?
[01:58:41] >> Probably Randy Couture. I think Randy
[01:58:43] won the world title, the world
[01:58:45] heavyweight title in his 40s.
[01:58:47] >> Wow.
[01:58:48] >> Yeah. But Randy didn't even start his
[01:58:51] mix mixed martial arts career. I think I
[01:58:54] think I was there at his first fight in
[01:58:58] 1997 and I think he was 34 or 35 before
[01:59:03] he ever had uh an MMA fight. He was just
[01:59:06] an elite wrestler who, you know, made
[01:59:08] his way into MMA because, you know,
[01:59:11] there's no real professional outlet for
[01:59:13] actual amateur wrestling.
[01:59:15] >> Did you ever interact with the Gracies?
[01:59:16] Because I remember way back in like I
[01:59:18] remember MMA or UFC 2, it was the second
[01:59:21] one. That was when it really kicked.
[01:59:22] First one was a little bit strange was
[01:59:24] that big fat guy whose tooth went flying
[01:59:26] out that. But number two was the one
[01:59:28] with
[01:59:29] >> Shamrock and uh Gracie and uh Dan
[01:59:33] Severn. Was he in number two? Dan Severn
[01:59:35] the wrestler.
[01:59:35] >> I think he was later.
[01:59:36] >> It might have been three or four.
[01:59:38] >> Yeah.
[01:59:38] >> But that was kind of the first
[01:59:39] generation
[01:59:41] >> of big names.
[01:59:42] >> Oh, Hoy Gracie changed the world.
[01:59:43] >> Yeah. With his he was a slow style
[01:59:46] though, man. Like you had to have
[01:59:47] patience to watch him because he'd sit
[01:59:49] he just lie on his back and wait, wait,
[01:59:51] wait, and enjoy. Well, with Dan Severn,
[01:59:52] he did because he he had to catch him in
[01:59:54] a triangle, right? And he eventually
[01:59:55] tapped him and no one even understood
[01:59:56] what was going on. Like, why is he he's
[01:59:58] got his legs wrapped around him. What
[02:00:00] the hell is going on? And then all of a
[02:00:02] sudden, Dan Severn's tapping out. You're
[02:00:04] like, this is crazy. So, a man who
[02:00:05] weighed literally 100 pounds more than
[02:00:08] him or close to it,
[02:00:09] >> right? On top of him and hoist beat him.
[02:00:11] >> Well, Dan Dan Severn didn't appear to
[02:00:13] have any finishing moves. Like, he was
[02:00:15] think I got you on your back. I've
[02:00:16] pinned you. I've won the wrestling
[02:00:17] match. It would kind of give you little
[02:00:19] nuggies, knuckle sandwiches,
[02:00:20] >> but but then of course uh eventually
[02:00:22] that anaconda comes in and either chokes
[02:00:24] you out or takes your arm.
[02:00:26] >> Well, no one understood jiu-jitsu until
[02:00:28] Hoist came around, you know, other dad,
[02:00:30] wasn't it? His dad that introduced it to
[02:00:32] the family.
[02:00:33] >> His dad and his uh uncle. So, it was it
[02:00:36] was Carlos Gracie and Ilio Gracie who
[02:00:38] were the real founders of Brazilian
[02:00:40] jiu-jitsu and then Carlson Gracie.
[02:00:42] >> Okay. And those guys were the pioneers.
[02:00:45] And they were having no rules fights in
[02:00:47] the 1930s and 40s.
[02:00:48] >> Wow.
[02:00:49] >> Yeah.
[02:00:50] >> And did they bring it over from Japan?
[02:00:52] >> Um, Miada brought it over from Japan and
[02:00:55] they taught the Gracies. And then um,
[02:00:58] you know, Ilio Gracie famously had a
[02:01:01] match with Kimura, who was a Japanese
[02:01:04] judoka who broke Ilio's arm with a
[02:01:08] kamura. And that's how that that
[02:01:10] technique that's why it's called a
[02:01:11] kimura. Really?
[02:01:12] >> Uh yeah, in catch wrestling they call it
[02:01:14] a double wrist lock.
[02:01:16] >> Okay.
[02:01:16] >> But we call it a kamura because Kamura
[02:01:19] broke Ilio Graciey's arm with this. Ilio
[02:01:22] just refused to tap and it's like and
[02:01:25] and eventually it snapped his arm.
[02:01:27] >> Wow. That's incredible.
[02:01:28] >> You know, they're having these long no
[02:01:29] rules fights in Brazil long before
[02:01:32] anybody had any idea what MMA was in
[02:01:35] America. And then Hoist's brother Hixon
[02:01:39] who was the best out of all of them.
[02:01:41] Hixon was fighting people when he was 18
[02:01:43] in like these big arenas really in
[02:01:46] Brazil. Yeah.
[02:01:47] >> Unbelievable. And then they then I guess
[02:01:50] Dana White brought it in with UFC and
[02:01:52] >> No, it wasn't Dana. It was uh there
[02:01:55] there was another organization before uh
[02:01:58] Zufa owned the UFC and this other
[02:02:01] organization they started it with Hen
[02:02:03] Gracie. So Hen Gracie was the guy who
[02:02:06] founded the UFC. Okay. And originally
[02:02:08] they were talking about putting like a
[02:02:10] moat around the cage and having
[02:02:12] crocodiles in it and [ __ ] They wanted
[02:02:14] it to be like completely insane because
[02:02:16] what it was for Hian, Hian's a brilliant
[02:02:19] man. And what what for him what he
[02:02:21] wanted was to promote jiu-jitsu and he's
[02:02:24] like this is going to be the best way to
[02:02:25] open up schools all over the country and
[02:02:27] to show this art that my father had
[02:02:30] created.
[02:02:30] >> Right? So they had really taken some of
[02:02:33] the ground techniques of judo and really
[02:02:35] refined them to a razor sharp edge. And
[02:02:38] and also one of the things that helped a
[02:02:40] lot was that Ilio was a small man. He
[02:02:42] was only like 145 lbs. And so he had to
[02:02:46] use only technique and leverage. He
[02:02:48] couldn't rely on brute strength. And so
[02:02:51] it was one of the best sort of
[02:02:54] advertisements is to have hoist who was
[02:02:57] also fairly small. Oh, he's only 175
[02:02:59] lbs. Beat all these big giant
[02:03:01] musclebound guys with pure technique cuz
[02:03:04] they didn't understand what he was
[02:03:05] doing. And he was like, "This is going
[02:03:06] to be brilliant. This is going to" And
[02:03:07] it worked. I mean, the the the name
[02:03:10] Gracie and Jiu-Jitsu are synonymous.
[02:03:12] >> It's everywhere now. Like, we even have
[02:03:13] them in Canada where these these schools
[02:03:16] will have the Gracie name and obviously
[02:03:17] they have no attachment to Gracie uh
[02:03:19] your the Brazilian Gracies, but
[02:03:21] everybody wants to learn the Gracie
[02:03:23] style. Well, they probably do have a
[02:03:24] like Gracie Baja, which is a huge uh
[02:03:28] affiliate of gyms. They're all over the
[02:03:29] country, the world. They're everywhere.
[02:03:31] >> Are they good?
[02:03:32] >> Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, there's like
[02:03:34] it's very difficult to have a bad
[02:03:36] jiu-jitsu gym today.
[02:03:37] >> Why is that? Because they're so
[02:03:38] competitive.
[02:03:39] >> It's too competitive. There's too many
[02:03:41] good people. There's too many good gyms.
[02:03:43] Like in Austin alone, Austin alone has
[02:03:45] like 10 amazing jiu-jitsu schools.
[02:03:47] >> Is that right? Oh, yeah.
[02:03:48] >> Do you go Do you go enroll quite often?
[02:03:50] There's a place right up the street,
[02:03:51] 10th Planet Jiu-Jitsu, which is the
[02:03:53] school that I started with. Okay.
[02:03:54] >> In California. Well, I started with the
[02:03:56] Mach. Well, I actually started with
[02:03:57] Hicks and Gra I started
[02:03:59] >> I started with Hicks and Gracie and then
[02:04:00] I went to Carlson Gracie and then I and
[02:04:03] that was just cuz I didn't know there
[02:04:04] was any difference in the Gracies and
[02:04:06] then Carlson Gracie was closer to my
[02:04:08] house. I like, oh, I'll go to this
[02:04:09] Gracie place. It's closer. This is when
[02:04:10] I was a white belt. I didn't know
[02:04:11] anything. And then when they closed,
[02:04:14] when that gym closed, then I went to
[02:04:16] Jeanjac Machadoo. And so I started
[02:04:18] training there in 1998. And that was um
[02:04:21] that was in uh the valley in California.
[02:04:23] Uh but then um one of John Jock's black
[02:04:26] belts, my best friend Eddie Bravo, he
[02:04:28] started 10th planet jiu-jitsu and then I
[02:04:30] I trained there as well.
[02:04:32] >> Okay. And in Canada with we see a lot of
[02:04:34] places where they do Muay Thai and
[02:04:37] jiu-jitsu. So you get your striking and
[02:04:38] your grappling all in one.
[02:04:40] >> Ted Planet here has a Muay Thai program.
[02:04:42] Oh,
[02:04:42] >> is that right? So that's now a lot of
[02:04:44] those gyms have that.
[02:04:44] >> And you went to your first as a
[02:04:46] commentator. You did it like for free,
[02:04:47] didn't you?
[02:04:48] >> No. No, I I got paid in the early days
[02:04:51] in the 90s in the in 1997, but it wasn't
[02:04:54] much. I was losing money. But when the
[02:04:57] UFC was purchased by Zufa in 2001, that
[02:05:01] was when I was on Fear Factor and I met
[02:05:04] Dana White and I became friends with him
[02:05:07] and he asked me as a favor to do
[02:05:09] commentary on this one show that they
[02:05:11] had, UFC 37 and a half. It was on Fox
[02:05:15] Sports, whatever it was, the there was a
[02:05:18] cable channel. So, it was best damn
[02:05:20] sports show, period. Had this UFC show
[02:05:22] and he said, "Would you do me a favor
[02:05:24] and just do commentary on this one
[02:05:26] event, right?"
[02:05:26] >> And I said, "Okay, I'll do it for this
[02:05:28] one." Then he's like, "I want you to do
[02:05:29] it again."
[02:05:30] >> And then I was like, "Okay." So, I I I
[02:05:33] was like, I just wanted to do it for
[02:05:34] fun. Like, for me, it's like I like
[02:05:36] going to the fights and I like going
[02:05:38] with my friends and having a good time.
[02:05:40] And I did like the first 15 of them for
[02:05:43] free. I just they I knew they were
[02:05:45] hemorrhaging money and I didn't need any
[02:05:47] money.
[02:05:47] >> But you loved it. You love being there.
[02:05:48] It was like a kid in a candy store.
[02:05:50] >> Well, also was very happy to try to
[02:05:52] promote this thing because for me it was
[02:05:55] the ultimate expression of martial arts.
[02:05:57] Like we need to find out what's the best
[02:05:59] style, right?
[02:06:00] >> And I had kind of I had been so
[02:06:02] engrossed in that world in Japan with
[02:06:05] Pride and all these other organizations
[02:06:07] that they had over there. And
[02:06:08] >> it's like what happens if an alligator
[02:06:10] fights with a tiger? What happens when a
[02:06:12] lion fights with a bear? We got to match
[02:06:14] them up and find out.
[02:06:15] >> Well, it's humans versus humans. So,
[02:06:17] it's just style
[02:06:20] because you didn't want to waste your
[02:06:21] time doing something that didn't work.
[02:06:23] And there was a lot of people that waste
[02:06:24] their time doing stuff that didn't work.
[02:06:27] >> And we didn't really know what that was
[02:06:28] until the UFC came along. And then we're
[02:06:30] like, oh. And now the evolution of
[02:06:34] martial arts from 1993 when the UFC
[02:06:36] started to 2026. In those years,
[02:06:41] martial arts have evolved more than they
[02:06:43] have in the last 30,000 years.
[02:06:44] >> Right. Well, it's like the the gap
[02:06:46] between theory and practice. Yes.
[02:06:48] >> And like uh Bruce Lee when he when he he
[02:06:53] started Wing Chun, but he said that a
[02:06:55] lot of it was just or ornamental. And he
[02:06:57] called it dryland swimming.
[02:07:00] >> It's like, you know, you wouldn't
[02:07:01] actually do that in a fight. And then he
[02:07:03] got into a lot of um contention with the
[02:07:06] the scholars of the art form. It's a
[02:07:09] very beautiful art form, Wing Chung, but
[02:07:10] I don't know if it I can't imagine it
[02:07:12] works that well in fight.
[02:07:14] >> It is Wing Chong is effective. There's a
[02:07:16] lot of techniques.
[02:07:16] >> If you got into a fist fight between
[02:07:18] like a Muay Thai guy and a Wing Chung
[02:07:21] guy, who would come out on
[02:07:21] >> the Muay Thai guy, but it doesn't mean
[02:07:23] that Wing Chong's not effective. And you
[02:07:25] could use Wing Chong in Muay Thai or in
[02:07:28] an MMA fight. But you have to know
[02:07:29] everything. That's the reality of it.
[02:07:31] It's like taekwondo. Like taekwondo is
[02:07:33] not effective by itself in an MMA fight.
[02:07:36] But if you know MMA and you know
[02:07:38] taekwondo, then you could do like what
[02:07:41] Edson Barbosa did to Terry Edam and
[02:07:43] knock him out with a wheel kick in
[02:07:44] spectacular fashion. Like
[02:07:47] has like a big blend, right? Like you
[02:07:49] get some some Muay Thai, some karate,
[02:07:51] some
[02:07:51] >> Yes.
[02:07:52] >> That's what MMA is. Mixed martial arts.
[02:07:55] I mean it's like you take all and that's
[02:07:57] Bruce Lee's philosophy. Absorb what's
[02:07:59] useful. I mean, he was the real first
[02:08:01] mixed martial artist and when it was
[02:08:04] very dangerous to do that because people
[02:08:06] hated him. I mean, they would attack
[02:08:07] him. He would have he would have to have
[02:08:09] fights with people because they they
[02:08:11] thought that he was disrespecting their
[02:08:12] art,
[02:08:13] >> right?
[02:08:13] >> You know, and he combined western boxing
[02:08:16] and wrestling. He learned judo from Gene
[02:08:18] Leel. He learned things from everybody.
[02:08:20] He learned karate, sav. He learned all
[02:08:23] these different martial arts and was
[02:08:25] absorbing what's useful and putting his
[02:08:26] own. So J Kundo his style was really the
[02:08:30] first mixed martial arts style.
[02:08:32] >> Is that right?
[02:08:32] >> Yeah.
[02:08:32] >> Do people use it anymore?
[02:08:34] >> Well, yeah. There's J Kundo schools.
[02:08:36] Sure. Yeah. Yeah. I mean I mean a lot of
[02:08:39] what Krab Magazi martial art is like
[02:08:42] kind of a a combination of things along
[02:08:44] the same lines of the way Bruce Lee did
[02:08:47] it.
[02:08:47] >> Is it is Krab Mra a good effective
[02:08:50] martial arts system?
[02:08:51] >> Every martial art system is effective if
[02:08:54] you have a great instructor. Okay.
[02:08:56] >> Right. But on their own, like the best
[02:09:01] styles are the really strong styles like
[02:09:03] jiu-jitsu, Muay Thai, wrestling. Those
[02:09:05] are the best sty western boxing. Those
[02:09:07] are the best styles on their own. Okay.
[02:09:09] But what Krab Magga is is a combination
[02:09:12] of all those styles. And so if you have
[02:09:14] a great instructor in Krab Magga, yeah,
[02:09:16] you'll you'll learn great Muay Thai,
[02:09:18] you'll learn great jiu-jitsu, you it's
[02:09:20] essentially mixed martial arts, but with
[02:09:22] a lot of emphasis on real world
[02:09:24] application, street fights, you know,
[02:09:27] dirty stuff like eye gouging, you know,
[02:09:29] poking people in the eye, kicking them
[02:09:31] in the nuts. Yikes.
[02:09:32] >> Stuff that works. But that's what you
[02:09:33] like. You see it in an MMA fight all the
[02:09:36] time. A guy gets poked in the eye. He's
[02:09:37] like, "Hey, hang on." And he has to
[02:09:38] stop. Like punched and it's against
[02:09:41] rules. So, this guy's getting punched
[02:09:43] and kicked. And look, Tom Aspenol, he
[02:09:46] was in the heavyweight title fight and
[02:09:48] he got eye poked in the first round.
[02:09:49] He's had to have two surgeries since
[02:09:51] then on his eyes and he hasn't been able
[02:09:53] to fight. They had to stop the fight in
[02:09:54] the first round from an eye poke.
[02:09:56] >> My god.
[02:09:57] >> It's very effective. But in crowd mag,
[02:09:58] they're like go for the eyes. Bang. Cuz
[02:10:00] in a real world fight for your life
[02:10:03] scenario technique. I mean, it's for the
[02:10:05] Israeli military I think.
[02:10:06] >> Exactly. So they have to prepare for,
[02:10:09] you know, unusual situations where where
[02:10:11] you're trying to survive in a in a, you
[02:10:13] know, a situation where your arm has
[02:10:15] been your your weapon has been removed
[02:10:17] and you're and you're just trying to
[02:10:18] fight for your life.
[02:10:19] >> Exactly. Well, just in your in a
[02:10:20] situation with hand handtoh hand combat,
[02:10:22] you need to learn how you need to know
[02:10:24] every you need if a guy takes you down,
[02:10:26] you can't be lost. Oh, we have to get
[02:10:28] back up so I can fight. No, you have to
[02:10:29] be able to fight on the ground. And
[02:10:31] that's the idea of it. like incorporate
[02:10:32] jiu-jitsu, incorporate leg kicks, Muay
[02:10:35] Thai, western boxing, even jundo
[02:10:38] techniques, even wing chong techniques.
[02:10:41] There's a lot of hand trapping and
[02:10:43] things in Wing Chong that can be very
[02:10:45] >> It looks really cool what they do with
[02:10:46] that wooden uh that wooden uh dummy.
[02:10:50] It looks
[02:10:52] >> Exactly.
[02:10:53] >> I've never really got into that, but if
[02:10:54] you do get into that, you'll learn
[02:10:56] blocking techniques and you'll learn
[02:10:58] >> that actually work.
[02:10:58] >> Yeah, sure.
[02:10:59] >> Okay. But you they'll work if you know
[02:11:02] the other stuff. They won't work if a
[02:11:04] guy just shoots a double on you and
[02:11:05] takes you down and starts pounding you.
[02:11:07] You don't know what to do when you're on
[02:11:08] the bottom, right? You have to know how
[02:11:10] to and this is what really MMA has
[02:11:13] taught the world. It's like you have to
[02:11:15] be able to defend yourself everywhere.
[02:11:17] Standing up on the ground, you have to
[02:11:19] be effective in all the realms,
[02:11:22] >> right? But still, we have a lot of
[02:11:23] people that are pure specialists that do
[02:11:26] really well in mixed martial arts
[02:11:28] because they're so good in one area,
[02:11:30] like Alex Pereira, who is the
[02:11:33] middleweight champion, light heavyweight
[02:11:34] champion, and now he's going up to
[02:11:36] heavyweight, and he's going to be
[02:11:36] fighting at the White House card. Alex
[02:11:38] Pereira is one of the greatest
[02:11:40] kickboxers of all time. He's a two
[02:11:42] division world champion in kickboxer,
[02:11:44] but his style is all kickboxing, but he
[02:11:47] just developed takedown defense.
[02:11:48] >> He can do it all. He can do it all,
[02:11:50] >> but he doesn't submit anybody. If you're
[02:11:52] fighting him, you're going to get you're
[02:11:53] going to get it's going to be a stand up
[02:11:55] fight. Unless you could take him down,
[02:11:57] he's not going to try to take you down.
[02:11:58] He's going to try to [ __ ] you up. He's
[02:12:00] going to try to knock you into another
[02:12:01] dimension.
[02:12:02] >> Thanks for the warning. I'll try to
[02:12:03] avoid the guy if I see him on the
[02:12:05] street.
[02:12:05] >> Terrifying.
[02:12:06] >> The funniest thing I ever saw was
[02:12:07] there's this video of of Jon Jones on
[02:12:09] the street somewhere and he he he bumped
[02:12:12] into he was talking and he he leaned on
[02:12:14] some guy's motorcycle. I think I he
[02:12:16] might have been in in Asia or something.
[02:12:18] The guy had no idea who he was and he
[02:12:20] started screaming at him.
[02:12:21] >> Oh no.
[02:12:22] >> And John said, "I'm very, very sorry."
[02:12:24] And he turned around, he ran away like
[02:12:26] he was terrified. And it was just
[02:12:28] obviously he wasn't in any danger. But
[02:12:30] it was so hilarious that this guy had no
[02:12:31] idea who he was picking a fight with.
[02:12:33] >> That's hilarious. The guy has no idea.
[02:12:36] His life flashed before his eyes.
[02:12:38] >> But he but he he took it well because he
[02:12:40] was like, you know, I don't have
[02:12:40] anything to prove.
[02:12:41] >> Yeah. John's not the type of guy that
[02:12:43] would do anything to I mean all also
[02:12:44] what a lawsuit, you know.
[02:12:46] >> Oh yeah. Your your hands are weapons.
[02:12:48] >> I mean, his whole body is a weapon,
[02:12:50] >> but most of those guys are really nice
[02:12:52] guys in real life.
[02:12:53] >> Is that right?
[02:12:54] >> Yeah. Because they get all their
[02:12:55] aggression out. They don't have anything
[02:12:57] to prove. They're not the type of per
[02:12:59] they know what they can do. They don't
[02:13:01] have to prove it to anybody. They
[02:13:02] >> Well, you should come to Winnipeg. They
[02:13:03] They have a fight coming up. I think
[02:13:05] it's in uh I think it's in April. It's
[02:13:07] in April.
[02:13:08] >> A UFC in in Winnipeg. Yeah. I've avoided
[02:13:10] UFC's in Canada.
[02:13:11] >> Well, come on up. I
[02:13:12] >> I've avoided it just because of the
[02:13:13] government. Just because of what was
[02:13:14] going on as a protest. So, I was like,
[02:13:16] "This is so fucked."
[02:13:17] >> Well, we'll come back up and
[02:13:18] >> Well, if you win, I'll go up there.
[02:13:20] >> How about that?
[02:13:20] >> We should get you up before
[02:13:21] >> you become prime minister. I promise
[02:13:23] I'll do all the UFC events that they
[02:13:25] have in Canada.
[02:13:26] >> We need you up in Canada to come uh come
[02:13:28] do one of your comedy shows and uh it
[02:13:30] would be great for tour.
[02:13:31] >> I love going up there. I used to love
[02:13:32] going to Massie Hall.
[02:13:34] >> Yeah.
[02:13:34] >> I I used to Toronto. Yeah. I I love
[02:13:36] performing there. I did um
[02:13:39] >> You used to do Montreal and
[02:13:41] >> and uh How old were you when you were in
[02:13:42] Montreal? Oh, I started I think the
[02:13:44] first time I was up there, I was like
[02:13:46] 25.
[02:13:47] >> Such a beautiful city, eh? It's gorgeous
[02:13:49] there.
[02:13:50] >> Oh, I love that. Quebec is lovely. It's
[02:13:52] amazing. Beautiful province.
[02:13:53] >> Amazing food. Shout out to Joe Beef. One
[02:13:55] of my favorite restaurants in the world
[02:13:56] that's in Montreal.
[02:13:58] >> Yeah, they're uh Montreal is a great
[02:14:00] place. And you should come out to the
[02:14:02] Prairies, too. Go to the Calgary
[02:14:03] Stampede.
[02:14:04] >> I've heard that's awesome. Oh, it's
[02:14:05] amazing.
[02:14:06] >> I've been to Edmonton. I've been to
[02:14:07] Alberta. Yeah. performed in Edmonton a
[02:14:10] few times and um I've I've hunted in
[02:14:12] Alberta
[02:14:13] >> where
[02:14:14] >> um well my friends John and Jen Rivet
[02:14:17] they have a they have a uh um a a guide
[02:14:22] I mean they they guide people up in uh
[02:14:25] northern Alberta it's all like uh you
[02:14:28] know black bear hunting so it's like
[02:14:30] >> there's a lot of great hunting I'm not I
[02:14:32] don't hunt myself but there's a ton of
[02:14:33] great hunting a lot of hunters in
[02:14:35] Alberta
[02:14:35] >> Oh yeah well there's talk about Alberta
[02:14:37] separating
[02:14:38] >> that won't happen.
[02:14:39] >> What was that about?
[02:14:40] >> It won't happen. Um people, some people
[02:14:42] are frustrated. Uh but they, you know,
[02:14:45] there's some legitimate frustrations,
[02:14:47] but at the end of the day, Canada's
[02:14:49] going to be united. And Albertans, I'm
[02:14:51] born and raised Alberta, and Albertans
[02:14:54] are seriously patriotic.
[02:14:56] >> Very patriotic.
[02:14:57] >> Yeah. They're great people. Hardworking.
[02:14:59] >> Some of the nicest people you ever met.
[02:15:00] >> They are great people in Alberta.
[02:15:03] >> They are hearty people.
[02:15:04] >> It's cold up there. Know how to survive.
[02:15:07] >> Exactly. You got to be tough to survive
[02:15:08] the cold in Canada. Carve a country like
[02:15:10] we have out of that cold weather on that
[02:15:12] big open land.
[02:15:14] >> Um but uh people just keep on going and
[02:15:17] uh Alberta's got a real kind of rugged
[02:15:19] uh individualism
[02:15:21] and uh people uh people love their their
[02:15:24] agriculture. There's great ranches in
[02:15:26] Alberta, beautiful grasslands in
[02:15:28] Saskatchewan.
[02:15:29] >> Doesn't Brock Lesnar have a place up
[02:15:31] there?
[02:15:31] >> I did I didn't know that.
[02:15:32] >> I think Brock Lesnar bought land in
[02:15:35] Alberta. Really? I think he owns a ranch
[02:15:36] up there.
[02:15:37] >> Actually, I had heard that from
[02:15:38] somebody. I've never seen him.
[02:15:40] >> He fell in love with it. Well, he's a
[02:15:41] big hunter as well. I think he fell in
[02:15:43] love with it up there cuz it's just it's
[02:15:44] so magnificent. It's so gorgeous.
[02:15:46] >> It's a great country.
[02:15:47] >> And the woods are so dense and beautiful
[02:15:50] and you got wolves and bears and moose
[02:15:52] and everything up there. It's amazing
[02:15:54] country.
[02:15:54] >> The the Canadian Rockies are spectacular
[02:15:56] as well. They're, you know, a worldwide
[02:15:59] attraction. You know, you go to Lake
[02:16:01] Louise, it looks like a tropical lake
[02:16:03] because it's all this runoff from the
[02:16:05] mountain melt and uh you'd think you
[02:16:07] were in the tropics because it's this
[02:16:08] this turquoise green. That's where I
[02:16:10] grew up. I I love I love Calgary. I love
[02:16:12] southern Alberta. That's really my home.
[02:16:15] And so uh you got to come to the
[02:16:17] Stampede. Greatest outdoor show on
[02:16:18] earth. A lot of Texans go up for the the
[02:16:21] cuz it's a rodeo. It's a huge rodeo.
[02:16:23] >> Yeah. People don't think cowboy Canada.
[02:16:25] They don't think of that. But yeah,
[02:16:27] >> Calgary uh they they've got some serious
[02:16:29] eyes there.
[02:16:29] >> No, they really do. Yeah. Look, I love
[02:16:31] Canada. I just uh
[02:16:32] >> if if you did your comedy show in
[02:16:34] Calgary, you'd get a massive turnout.
[02:16:36] >> It would be great. Think it over. See,
[02:16:39] when you
[02:16:39] >> Well, I was supposed to be up there
[02:16:40] before co I was supposed to do a show up
[02:16:42] there uh for 420 for April 20th. I was
[02:16:46] going to do it in Vancouver.
[02:16:47] >> That's another great city. Every year I
[02:16:49] would do these uh 420 shows like these,
[02:16:53] you know, 420 is the marijuana number.
[02:16:55] And Canada now you you guys have legal
[02:16:58] marijuana, too.
[02:16:59] >> I've been legal for 10 years,
[02:17:00] >> which they should have in America. It's
[02:17:01] so ridiculous. They just they just
[02:17:02] recently decided to make it schedule
[02:17:05] three.
[02:17:06] >> Is it state by state?
[02:17:07] >> Yes. It's legal in a lot of states, but
[02:17:10] it's still not legal federally. It's
[02:17:11] goofy. If alcohol is legal, marijuana is
[02:17:14] far safer. It should be legal. It's
[02:17:16] ridiculous. It's also a personal freedom
[02:17:18] thing. Leave people alone. It's like no
[02:17:20] one's robbing banks, smoking weed, and
[02:17:22] [ __ ] killing their neighbors. It's
[02:17:24] crazy. It's like
[02:17:25] >> that's a personal personal choice.
[02:17:26] >> It's not It's not heroin. It's not
[02:17:29] opiates. It's not like maybe you
[02:17:32] shouldn't do it if you have mental
[02:17:33] health problems, right? But there's a
[02:17:35] lot of people that just like take a pot
[02:17:36] gummy and go to bed and it makes them
[02:17:38] sleep better. Like, leave them alone.
[02:17:40] Like, leave people alone. Let let people
[02:17:42] have a glass of whiskey. Let people have
[02:17:43] a glass of wine with dinner. Leave them
[02:17:45] alone. Like stop coming up with laws
[02:17:48] where you can impose your values and
[02:17:51] your morals and your judgments on other
[02:17:54] people. Let them have make their own
[02:17:56] personal. Look, if you want to eat a
[02:17:57] [ __ ] cheeseburger, eat a
[02:17:58] cheeseburger. You know, if you want to
[02:18:00] go and have five Big Macs, you should be
[02:18:02] able to. I don't think you should do it.
[02:18:04] But I don't think there should be a law
[02:18:05] stopping you. And I think that's that
[02:18:07] should apply to a lot of things in life
[02:18:09] and we'd be a lot better off. Well, the
[02:18:12] the bottom line is if you cannot trust a
[02:18:14] man to govern himself, how can you trust
[02:18:16] him to govern for others? Like if if you
[02:18:18] think if if you think that human nature
[02:18:21] is so flawed that people cannot make
[02:18:23] decisions for themselves, then how could
[02:18:25] you possibly trust human nature to make
[02:18:27] decisions for other people to impose
[02:18:29] decisions on their lives? Uh and uh who
[02:18:32] watches the watchmen? You know, we're
[02:18:34] constantly told we need to be we need to
[02:18:36] be kind of guided by these people from
[02:18:38] ivory towers. But who are these angels
[02:18:40] anyway? They're just human beings like
[02:18:41] everyone else. So when you give them
[02:18:43] more power and more you give them the
[02:18:45] power to impose their will on on people
[02:18:47] then that ultimately gets abused.
[02:18:49] >> Yes.
[02:18:49] >> So even you're right. Even when somebody
[02:18:51] is doing something that I don't agree
[02:18:52] with and I would think it would be
[02:18:53] better for all of us if they didn't do
[02:18:55] it. The the the mal that is done by
[02:18:58] giving me the power to impose my
[02:19:00] decision-m on them is worse than the
[02:19:02] benefit of trying to direct them towards
[02:19:04] a better decision.
[02:19:05] >> Well said.
[02:19:06] >> That that's my philosophy.
[02:19:07] >> That's why I like you. Well, that's
[02:19:09] where I got you.
[02:19:10] >> Make a lot of sense.
[02:19:11] >> It's pretty simple. I think all the best
[02:19:13] things in life are simple. You know, we
[02:19:14] over complicate things. Government is is
[02:19:16] way too complicated. You know, uh I I
[02:19:19] think we need to get back to the
[02:19:21] simplicity. The greatest speech in the
[02:19:23] English language was Abraham Lincoln's
[02:19:26] Gettysburg address. 271 words. You know,
[02:19:29] Einstein compressed uh uh mass and
[02:19:33] energy into a five character equation.
[02:19:37] Um the you know Bruce Lee was an
[02:19:39] advocate of simplicity like simplicity
[02:19:41] is is a virtue and I think we have to
[02:19:44] get back to simplicity especially in
[02:19:45] government. Simpler, clearer, easier to
[02:19:49] to manage. That's the pro that's the
[02:19:51] kind of the the philosophical take I I I
[02:19:53] pursue. Well, I appreciate that and I I
[02:19:56] think like that philosophy and that
[02:19:59] perspective from a leader is what we
[02:20:02] need in this world, you know, and uh
[02:20:04] >> well, I think leaders have to have
[02:20:05] humility because the the problem is that
[02:20:07] if you are a egoomaniac and you're in
[02:20:09] power anywhere in the world, then you're
[02:20:12] going to want to just continually impose
[02:20:14] new rules and laws to make yourself
[02:20:15] bigger. Whereas, if you believe in
[02:20:17] freedom, then you have to take you have
[02:20:20] to be able to say to yourself, I don't
[02:20:22] know better for this other person. he
[02:20:24] knows better what's for him and you know
[02:20:26] it's it's hard but politicians have to
[02:20:29] think that they have to trust the people
[02:20:32] but you know nobody wants to have he
[02:20:34] left people alone on their gravestone
[02:20:36] they want to think oh he built this he
[02:20:37] he imposed that he made this grand uh uh
[02:20:40] initiative that he imposed on the people
[02:20:42] in order to have a legacy but my legacy
[02:20:44] is just to let other people build their
[02:20:46] legacies in their own lives
[02:20:49] >> I think the idea of forging a legacy
[02:20:51] based on controlling people and imposing
[02:20:53] your will is ludicrous.
[02:20:54] >> Exactly.
[02:20:55] >> Yeah.
[02:20:56] >> And uh
[02:20:56] >> but the problem is history is littered
[02:20:58] with people like that.
[02:20:59] >> Absolutely.
[02:20:59] >> Alexander the Great, Genghaskhan,
[02:21:01] there's so many people that impose their
[02:21:03] will and left a legacy. But is that
[02:21:05] good?
[02:21:06] >> I don't think it is.
[02:21:07] >> It's not. And it's also they're dead.
[02:21:09] This is It doesn't matter.
[02:21:12] >> Nobody Nobody walked by walked by one of
[02:21:14] those magnificent tombs in in Petra and
[02:21:17] said, "Boy, I'd really like to be inside
[02:21:18] there."
[02:21:19] >> Exactly. what what is happening while
[02:21:21] you're alive is what's really
[02:21:23] significant and the most the the most
[02:21:25] impactful thing like do well do good for
[02:21:28] the people and I think uh your message
[02:21:31] resonates with me
[02:21:33] >> and if I was a Canadian I would vote for
[02:21:34] you 100%.
[02:21:35] >> Thank you. Thank you for that. Well,
[02:21:37] it's uh it's um you know it's a
[02:21:39] privilege to do this work and I'm I
[02:21:41] consider it very humbling and I'm very
[02:21:42] proud to be Canadian and uh to take the
[02:21:46] message of Canada here to our American
[02:21:47] friends. Well, I'm glad you're here
[02:21:49] doing that and I think uh this is going
[02:21:51] to have a big impact.
[02:21:53] >> I really hope it moves the needle up in
[02:21:55] Canada.
[02:21:56] >> Absolutely. And down here, we got to get
[02:21:57] these tariffs gone. Get the tariffs
[02:21:59] gone.
[02:22:00] >> Well, let's work it out. Work it out.
[02:22:02] And uh if you win, I'm coming up there.
[02:22:04] I promise.
[02:22:04] >> Well, we're going to try to get you up
[02:22:06] there earlier. I'm going to keep working
[02:22:07] on you. And you look at that that maple
[02:22:09] leaf on your new kettle bell every day.
[02:22:10] Eventually, we're going to we're going
[02:22:12] to uh work subliminally into your
[02:22:14] subconscious and get you up.
[02:22:15] >> Well, look, like I said, you don't have
[02:22:16] to sell me on Canada. I love Canada and
[02:22:18] uh I I love that gift. So, thank you so
[02:22:21] much. I really appreciate Thank you for
[02:22:22] being here. It was awesome.
[02:22:24] >> Thank you. All right, buddy.