Joe Rogan Experience #2495 - Tim Burchett — Full Transcript

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Seth's top dogs is going to go over some

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stuff with me that they've got and I

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have no earthly idea. I I don't want

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everybody to get their hopes up. I don't

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have a lot of faith in in our

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government. President Trump's always

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been great to me. He's never lied to me.

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But I I don't know that he knows the

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right questions to ask and the right

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people to talk to because I mean, this

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thing's been covered up at least since

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1947.

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And I just don't think they're going to

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they don't give up that easy. The war

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pimps at the Pentagon and everybody

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else, they just don't give up that easy.

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>> How how did you come to understand all

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this stuff? like what was your

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understanding of it before you got into

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government?

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>> I had pretty cool parents. Um, right now

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they would uh daddy was an old World War

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II marine and mama flew an airplane

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during the Second World War. I mean,

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they were they were badasses. Then they

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were good Christian people. But my daddy

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was a stone cold killer. I mean, he was

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the real deal. He was on Peloo and

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Okinawa in the Marine Corps. And of

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course, mama's oldest brother, Roy, got

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killed fighting the Nazis. And mama did

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her part. Just a little country girl.

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didn't have electricity till she's a

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senior in high school. So, I've kind of

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lived the American dream. But they would

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let me, you know, they let me get

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bloodied up and then they would patch me

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up and let me go. You know, I I could

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ride my bike to the library or the

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library if you're from East Tennessee.

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And uh and it was, you know, about a

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mile from the house and they go in there

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and they have these books set up and

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they had all this stuff on, you know,

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all this wild stuff and there's a book

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on UFOs and I just picked it up and

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started reading it. I probably wasn't, I

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don't know, seven or eight years old and

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I just always followed it, you know, the

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the magazine articles and I'd go out at

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night and hope to see a UFO. Never did,

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never have um until some of the

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briefings I've been in. But um and then

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I'm walking down the street

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>> and can I mention another news sources?

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Okay. I was walking down the street and

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TMZ was there was a guy there um this

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black fella, his name's Colin. He's a

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buddy of mine. He doesn't work for them

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anymore, but he was filming and he said,

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"Hey, Congressman," he said, "You want

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me to comment on the UFO thing?" He

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couldn't get anybody to comment. I said,

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"Why sure?" I said, "They're going to

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issue tell you they're going to issue

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you a report and it's going to be loaded

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and everybody's freaking out. It's going

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to be the greatest thing. It's going to

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be total disclosure and then they're

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going to put something out. It looked

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like somebody shot it with a dad gum 12

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gauge. It's just going to have holes in

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it. It's all redacted. And I said, "And

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they're not going to put it out this

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week. It'll be weeks later." And that's

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exactly what they did. They had a report

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I felt like had some information in that

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was new to the public. And um and they

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um did what they always do. They hid it,

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covered it up. And then uh

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everybody saw that interview and I said

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on it I said um

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>> that's the one we were talking about

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bases in the ocean.

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>> No, no, no, no, no. That a different one

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as is totally different. I this is just

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out on the street corner and then I

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started getting calls from people

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literally all over the world. I mean

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I've I've talked to legislators in

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Russia over this issue and then people

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um people start just stop me on street

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corners and say, "Hey man, I really

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appreciate you going for disclosure. I

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have doctors tell me this. have lawyers,

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engineers. I have military people that

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have seen things that they can't

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describe. I've had members of Congress.

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You know, there's a few bullies in

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Congress. They'll make fun of me and say

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smart elic stuff. But put it out there

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to your people. It's over 55% of the

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American population feels like we're not

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alone. I mean, seriously, you go out

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there and look at those every night. My

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dogs, they got to take a leak. They

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never want to take a leak at like 9:00.

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It's always 3:00 in the morning. I look

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at those dadum stars, man. And the light

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from those stars left there before the

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time of Christ. And the light from some

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of those stars, the stars have already

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combusted. I mean, they're not even

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there anymore. You know, light years to

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us is is something that's hard to

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understand. And we are more we are just,

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you know, one grain of sand on a billion

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beaches. And I still don't think we're

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the best that God can do. I, you know, I

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just can't imagine we're his shining uh

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we're we're the one they put on the

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mantel. Oh, look. you made humans. Well,

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you know, we've kind of screwed things

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up. So, I I you know, and I and I read

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my Bible and a lot of the Christian

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folks knock me. They talk about it's

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demons and I say, "Well, I'm good with

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Jesus. I'm not worrying about demons.

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I'm not going to worry about that. I

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don't think they're demons. I don't Why

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would they? They don't have to fly

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around in some craft to to, you know,

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it's just to me it's it's hard to

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imagine." But the um the underwater

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thing was I was I was getting briefed by

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an it was a former admiral came into my

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office and Joe it was it was a very

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friendly conversation and I'm always a

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little couched because or a little I

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hold back a little bit because I think

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there's a scop going on with some of

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these departments. I was uh briefed by

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one of our alphabet agencies not long

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ago and the final thing was somebody

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said well why don't we got more

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information says we just don't have the

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funding for that congressman and you

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know it's a and I know they're reading

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the polling data and they're saying you

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know well let's shake loose the money

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tree for us and that's that's part of it

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too and I warn people about that but um

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I guess in a nutshell that's pretty much

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it.

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>> So when you first got in how long have

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you been in government for? Well, eight

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years in in um Congress. I was in our

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state legislature in Tennessee 16 years

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and then I was county mayor for eight

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years.

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>> So, was it when you got into Congress

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that you first started getting inside

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information about what's going on?

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>> Yeah.

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>> So, that was was that eight years ago or

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like when was that?

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>> Uh probably six years ago. Five or six.

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Let's see. It was during Trump's first

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administration. So, it would have been

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about eight years ago.

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>> And do you remember what it was? Do you

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remember how you were introduced to it?

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>> Uh yeah. Um, we we raised we just raised

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total hell about it and then why

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>> because it's a cover up. Nobody would

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give us information.

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>> What made you think it was a cover up?

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Why did you think that?

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>> I guess I just don't trust government.

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I've been in government most of my life

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and I just don't trust it. I don't

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>> I understand that. But like was there

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something that led you to want to pursue

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this particular subject?

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>> No, just it kind of pursued me after I

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did that TMZ interview. people started

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calling me and then people would um I

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would get phone calls from people for

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>> but the TMZ interview was fairly

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recently, right?

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>> No, no, no, no. That was that was one

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that was that was that was what started

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it all. It was seven or eight years ago.

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I'm sorry. I don't I didn't explain it

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very well.

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>> So, so then so but you had an interest

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from the time you were a child and then

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getting into government. What was like

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the first introduction where you had a

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an idea that there's something going on?

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>> When I started asking questions and um

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and we just get to run around

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>> like what kind of questions?

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>> Like um what is what is this? Where are

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you seeing these things? And we would

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get people I would I had I had an

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interesting meeting in my office um with

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some people that were like uh nationally

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known and they came by to see me and

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they just wanted to talk to me about it

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and I was um and and they started

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telling me things and then I had a group

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come to my house. I said y'all just come

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by the office in DC and we'll talk. They

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said we don't feel comfortable doing

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that. And they came by the house and

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they said can we hook up to your um

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television? And I said, "Well, sure."

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You know, and they hooked up the

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computer to it. And they were showing me

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um they were showing me objects that

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were flying at And

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granted, I'm not a, you know, I'm not an

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astrophysicist by any stretch of

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imagination, but they were showing me

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things that were flying at at speeds

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that were just that nothing compares.

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And the and the angles that they were

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taking would literally, and I've said

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this before, and it grosses people out,

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but it would turn you or me into a

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ketchup package. I mean, we, you know,

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you go this way and then boom, you're

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going this way. And we have no no

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capability of any of it. And now I've

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been briefed so many times from on and

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different different groups. Um, you

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know, you know, we've we scrub missions

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because these things are out there. We

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um and then we tell everybody that's

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involved to keep your mouth shut. And

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then if you're a pilot and you come back

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and say, "Hey, I've seen this." You

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immediately pulled off the flight line.

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I'm not a pilot or military person, but

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flight line um is what I call it.

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They're not able to fly and they're

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given a psych evaluation and they're

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given an 8h hour, they call it a

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debriefing. It's I've been told by some

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of the officers that have been involved,

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it's really just an interrogation and

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then you got that hanging on your record

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and

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>> so it influences them to stop.

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>> They just keep their mouth shut. I I

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literally had a guy tell me, Joe, that

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he um he said his um um recorder, it was

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an older style plane and he said, I

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think he said it was close to his right

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knee. And when he got that on his

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recorder, he started smashing it with

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his right knee to discombobulate it so

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that it wasn't even cuz he didn't want

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anything. He did not need it. He saw it.

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He didn't need it in in on his record.

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even if he saw it and it was on a dad

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gum tape, they they drag you in. And so,

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you know, myself, Luna, and um Matt

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Gates went down to Florida to be um

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briefed by Matt was told that some some

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pilots had seen some things and they had

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some photographs. And so, we go down

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there and and again, we go in. I told

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Matt, I said, "Matt, they don't give up

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this stuff easy. We're going to go down

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there and I have a bad feeling they're

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going to turn us out. turn us out. Well,

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we went down there and Joe, they briefed

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us on some very um very serious issues

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that they were dealing with with the

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Chinese and um and and communist

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infiltration and things going on um

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around around Florida in in in the

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ocean. And but they didn't never have

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the the uh they wouldn't bring the

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pilots in. Matt said, "Hey, I understand

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all this, but this is not why we came

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down here." And Matt's um you say what

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you want to about Matt Gates, but he's

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and he's a great orator and he's a great

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attorney and he just started failing on

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them. And he told him he said, "Here's

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what's going to happen. You're going to

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jerk me around." And I said, "I'm going

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to subpoena you all. We're going to call

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y'all back to Washington." And I

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remember looking over in the corner at

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the suits. And I and I said and I I

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called them spooks cuz they were

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obviously some sort of military

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intelligence or CIA. And I leaned over

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to Matt and I said, "The spooks are

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getting nervous, brother." Cuz they were

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kind of shifting around. And they shut

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us down. They said, "No, we're not going

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to do it." And Matt said, "I'm calling

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whoever big Air Force was." He Matt was

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on the um on one of the military

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committees. And he called and um hour

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later they stuck us up in this room and

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um had microphones under the desk. I

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remember Luna reached under and

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unplugged them. And uh um they had a

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nice fruit tray that you paid for it,

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taxpayers. Thank you very much.

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[laughter] So I went and it hit like a

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jackass eating saw browsers. I was just

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eating. I didn't care. And so um finally

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[clears throat] I came back in an hour

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and the guy says, "I don't know who you

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all called, but you're going to get your

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briefing. They're bringing the pilots

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in." And literally they brought these

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pilots in and they were in their um

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their flight gear and they had just come

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out of the planes and they were the ones

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and they they described things and it's

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been reported now. It's been imported in

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public but it was um these craft that

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were hovering for extended periods of

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times and could shoot straight up at

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incredible speeds that we don't have

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capabilities of doing. And those are the

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kind of thing and and too they're um

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this was military people. These were top

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people. These are like equivalent not

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you know they just some of our top

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people and I know folks are going to say

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well it's probably the Russians. Well if

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it's the Russians dad gamut they

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wouldn't be tied up down in Ukraine for

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how many years and and Putin's such an

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egoomaniac he'd fly a saucer to

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Pennsylvania Avenue get out and probably

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wrestle Trump in the front yard or

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something. You know bare chested ride a

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unicorn or something. I don't know. If

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it's China they'd own us even more than

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they already do. And then people say,

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"Well, it's ours, Burch. It's just ours

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that they don't want to release it."

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Well, think about this. President Trump

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and he should have, and I give him great

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credit for that, that pilot that got

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knocked down over in Iran, we spent

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untold millions of dollars to bring that

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cat home. And we should have because it

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sends a message to our enemies, and it

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sends a message to our fighting men and

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women that we're not going to leave you

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behind, as many presidents have done

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many times. There's no way on God's

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green earth that they would risk a half

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a billion dollar aircraft with something

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flying around it and um and and risk

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those guys' life and all that training

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to put these guys in harm's way. And

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that's and that's exactly what they're

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doing. I mean, these things were buzzing

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cockpits. It's it's not an everyday

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occurrence. It's in certain areas. And

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that's where the um the deep water thing

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comes in. The deep water bases. I was

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sort of misqued. I was just telling what

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I was told and um but it makes a lot of

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sense that that these deep water areas

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are where we see a lot of sightings and

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we see we've seen um

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craft underwater

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that do something over 200 miles an hour

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that on the sonar pickup are as big as a

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dad gum football field. The best we have

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we don't have anything big as a football

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field maybe in length but not in not

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underwater anyway. And uh I you know the

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best we can do is maybe upper 30 m an

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hour maybe something like that. I don't

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know but 200 miles an hour that's just

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out of the question. And um these things

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don't have a heat signature and

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I hope I hope though that they they

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release some of the footage that we've

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seen and some that we haven't that we've

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been rumored that's out there. What I'm

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afraid though it's going to get so

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sanitized and it's going to get cleaned

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up. I mean, even Obama, he said, "Yeah,

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there aliens out there." And then in a

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recent interview, I saw just the last

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week or so, he's backed up on that. I

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was just kidding. I was just kidding.

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You know,

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>> well, I saw Trump when he was getting

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interviewed, he said Obama should have

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said that because it's classified. He

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goes, "But I might release it. I might

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make it unclassified."

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>> And I hope he does. And I told him that.

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I talked to the president about it and I

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said, you know, Mr. President, it's like

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it's like layers of an onion. Just keep

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peeling it back. And I hope I hope he

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does because

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>> well he might be the only one that would

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ever

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>> only one with enough guts. Only one cuz

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he's not beholden to that bunch. All

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they done is try to bury him.

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>> Right.

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>> Yeah. So when these men came to you and

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they hooked up the computer to your

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television and showed you, did they tell

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you why they wanted you to see this

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stuff?

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>> They just thought I should know about it

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because I was asking the right

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questions. And then shortly after that,

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I was in in Go ahead.

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>> I'm sorry. Were you told that you were

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not supposed to tell people about this?

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Were you?

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>> No. But it's interesting. I had that

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deep throat moment, you know, not the

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porn version, the the um Richard Nixon

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moment, you know, where I was walking in

15:53

the in the tunnel one day and a person

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came up to me and it's always a friend.

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It's always a friend that does this and

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said, it was just the strangest

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conversation and I'll never forget it

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because he said, "Burchett," he said,

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"Uh, you know, you're really pushing on

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this UFO thing." And I go, "Yeah, yeah,

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I am." He said, "Do you really think we

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need to do this?" And I just kept

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listening. I when I was a young man, id

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have run my mouth and said, "I'll shut

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up." But I listened to what he said. He

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said he said, "I mean, you know, this

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could upset the religious community and

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and all this other I mean, some of this

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stuff's just left unknown, you know."

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And I said, "No, it's not." And the

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government has no right to decide what I

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can and cannot understand or handle or

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see. And it to me and and every time,

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Joe, let me tell you what they're going

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to do. I had a two-page bill to for

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disclosure. And Chuck Schumer had one

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that was 60 pages, I believe, and he

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modeled his after the Kennedy

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assassination

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uh committee release, which we're over

16:53

60 years into that. And we still don't

16:55

they haven't released everything that on

16:58

on President Kennedy getting shot. And

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that's what they wanted to model this

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dadum thing after. Mine was two pages

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long. Of course, mine didn't get

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anywhere. I was told by a member of

17:06

leadership they come and sit with me. I

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call it cent's row. I sit on the back

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row, second from the back on the aisle.

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Everybody gets in trouble. They come sit

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with me sometimes. And um and I was told

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by a member of leadership that um that

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the intelligence community was unhappy

17:24

with what I was doing. And then I got a

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phone call from um a former member of um

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President Trump's staff who told me that

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I needed to um I forget his exact

17:36

terminology, but he said, "Oh," he said,

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"You need to get some bodies around

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you."

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>> So, you know, and I I don't know what

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that means. I mean, I'm the 435th most

17:45

powerful member of Congress, Joe. So, I

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you know, they bump me off and it's

17:49

going to be like they'll they'll

17:50

there'll be one tear shed on the House

17:52

floor. They'll be because I owed

17:53

somebody $10. I didn't pay them back and

17:55

then they'll move on to the next guy.

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So,

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>> well, I'm sure you're aware of this

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narrative about the missing scientists

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and scientists that have turned up dead

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and been killed

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>> 100%. That's real. I think um I have a

18:07

theory on that. All right. I know it's

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it's a little dangerous to throw these

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things out, but and I and I I was on

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maybe Fox one time and I just came up

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with this. I say, say your family's

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mobbed up, okay? And y'all own a nice

18:21

Italian restaurant and it's

18:22

worldrenowned and you're you're busting

18:24

at the seams, you know, and you're

18:26

franchising and putting out cookbooks

18:28

and everything. You got this one chef

18:29

who's who's the kingpin of all of it,

18:32

but you're afraid he's talking to your

18:34

competitors.

18:35

Now, you don't bump him off. What you do

18:39

is you rough up a few of the bus boys

18:41

and that sends a quick dad gum message

18:43

that you need to shut your mouth. And I

18:47

timing is everything and nothing happens

18:49

by accident in Washington DC. To me, I

18:51

think it's the timing is is it's uncanny

18:55

that you got a president, you know,

18:57

we've had these hearings in Washington.

18:59

you have a president that says he's

19:00

going to release stuff and all in that

19:02

same time frame before and after that

19:04

you're having some of these high um high

19:07

ranking officials disappear and to me

19:10

that's nobody disappears in this country

19:12

unless they they want to disappear. You

19:14

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19:16

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Limited time offer. Yeah, I thought one

20:41

of the things that I thought of is one

20:43

of the subjects that these people were

20:46

all they're all working on different

20:47

things, but they're working on

20:48

alternative energy sources.

20:50

>> Yeah, that's that's the um that's the

20:52

the I'm sorry, I didn't mean to cut you

20:54

off, but that's what ties them together,

20:56

I think. And and two,

20:59

>> um their one of them spouse said, "Oh,

21:01

my husband or wife or whatever did

21:04

anything with UFOs." Well, they don't

21:05

talk about it. It's actually

21:07

>> it's a pretty close-knit group. And uh I

21:10

always remember this. I knock on doors.

21:11

That's how I got elected. Nobody really

21:13

there's not a lot of people like me that

21:15

are come from a family of public

21:16

educators that get elected to Congress.

21:18

All right? Most of my contributions are

21:20

$25 and somebody wraps a Bible verse

21:22

around it and and tells me they're

21:24

praying for me. The big boys, they're

21:25

always for me the day after the

21:27

election. All right? They always say,

21:28

"Hey, let me write you a check." And we

21:29

were with you all along. I always say,

21:30

"Yeah, I felt it right there towards the

21:32

end." you know, but but I'm knocking on

21:34

this guy's door down in Farragut and um

21:38

and he he's putting his flag out. He's

21:39

an older gentleman. And I said I said,

21:42

"Hey, brother, did you serve?" And he

21:44

said, "No, you know, I mean, it's East

21:46

Tennessee, you know." And he kind of

21:47

held his head down, "No, I didn't. Um I

21:49

didn't." And I said, he said, "I worked

21:51

at Oakidge." And I said, "Brother," I

21:53

said, "My daddy was on Okinawa when they

21:55

dropped the bomb. They were getting

21:56

ready to invade mainland Japan." I said,

21:58

"If my mom and daddy were alive today,

22:01

they would hug you because that's they

22:04

put it together." And he told me, he

22:06

said, "Tim," before I left, he said, "A

22:08

funny thing." He said, "My wife worked

22:11

there, too." And you know, I did, she

22:14

worked on a um I think he said he was a

22:17

fuse or something and she was the worked

22:19

on the timer on the atomic bomb. He

22:21

said, "And I didn't know what she did

22:23

the entire time that we were working

22:25

there." That's called

22:26

compartmentalization. And that's what

22:27

you have here. And if I can elaborate

22:30

just a little bit more,

22:31

>> the um

22:33

>> you you're familiar with FOYA. I mean,

22:35

you're a member of the media freedom of

22:36

information act. And it means I can I

22:38

can request from a federal agency, the

22:40

FBI, they probably wouldn't give it to

22:42

me, but any information, but I can't go

22:44

after like Ford Motor Company. Okay. So,

22:47

what they've done is they've given this

22:49

information, these whatever if it's

22:51

craft, if it's material, if it's bodies,

22:53

I don't know a lot. I I have my

22:55

suspicions, but they've given them to

22:56

there's four or five major contractors

22:58

that you see that are always the ones

23:01

that are that are putting it out there.

23:02

There are missile defense systems.

23:04

They're they're coming up with this new

23:05

metallurgy, these new propulsion

23:07

systems. And I think that whatever they

23:11

had, they gave to them early on and they

23:14

they're the ones, but they're so far

23:16

disconnected from the government that I

23:18

can't touch it. And the people that are

23:20

working on it, there's nobody alive

23:23

around was around Roswell or any of that

23:25

stuff that was in and around those years

23:27

that's still alive or still working. So

23:30

all those people are gone. I mean,

23:31

that's the best that's the best secret

23:32

you can keep if you tell somebody and

23:34

they die. And that's that's exactly what

23:37

they've done. And uh you know, we've

23:39

been given um places, addresses, and

23:44

things, and everybody says, "Oh man, go

23:46

to you need to get out to Area 51,

23:48

Burchett, and see what's out there."

23:50

There ain't nothing at freaking Area 51.

23:52

Soon as we announce where we're going,

23:54

the U-Haul vans would have already been

23:55

there and left, you know, and um and so

23:58

what it's going to take is it's going to

23:59

take a scientist or somebody that's

24:02

going to have to walk out of one of

24:03

those dadgum labs before they're um

24:06

allowed to commit suicide. by shooting

24:08

themselves in the back of the head 10

24:09

times um with a shotgun or something. Um

24:13

and so

24:14

>> do you know the Bob Lazar story?

24:16

>> I do. I do. I've never met Bob. I know

24:19

um a buddy of mine I guess um friend of

24:21

mine I think sort of broke that story.

24:23

Um

24:24

>> George Knap.

24:25

>> Yeah. Nap. Nap. I'm sorry. I um haven't

24:28

slept much in the last 48 hours, but

24:30

yeah, George. I met him through all this

24:31

and it was a big honor because I grew up

24:33

watching George Knap. He's a cool guy.

24:35

>> He's awesome.

24:36

>> I love him. He comes to my office and we

24:37

hang out and I mean great people get,

24:40

you know, they get kind of stareyed when

24:43

they see somebody like yourself or Kid

24:44

Rock or somebody, but for me it was

24:46

George Knap because I mean, you know,

24:48

cuz I asked him I'd ask him stuff. He

24:49

goes, "Yeah, that was a report I did

24:50

when and and because I've, you know,

24:53

>> yeah, he's very careful about what he

24:55

says, too. He's not a guy who says

24:57

anything that he can't

24:58

>> and he documents it." You ever seen his

25:00

files? I mean, it's just um it's a

25:01

myriad of files. He's very even keeled

25:04

and fair in the way he assesses things.

25:07

He's not hyperbolic. The way he

25:09

describes things is like as clean and as

25:12

accurate as possible.

25:14

>> He's not trying to sell t-shirts really.

25:15

I He's a true journalist. I, you know, I

25:18

I wish other people would look at a guy

25:20

like that and say that's the way we need

25:21

to go with journalism.

25:23

>> A real journalist who didn't start off

25:24

with this whole UFO thing. He didn't

25:26

want to do I mean, he was an actual just

25:27

regular journalist until Bob Lazar

25:29

contacted him. Y

25:30

>> and that story um we've I've had Bob on

25:33

a couple of times. In fact, this is how

25:36

popular this idea is in the American

25:39

Zeitgeist.

25:40

>> The Bazaar episode of this ep of this

25:44

podcast is the most viewed episode that

25:45

I've ever had on YouTube.

25:47

>> Is that right?

25:47

>> Yeah. It's got 65 66 66 million views

25:51

right now.

25:52

>> Wow.

25:53

>> Yeah. I mean, a guy who's just talking

25:56

about how he used to work at S4, Area

26:00

51, site 4, where he was back

26:02

engineering UFOs,

26:04

>> right?

26:04

>> And there's a new documentary that he

26:07

just did uh called S4 where they used

26:10

CGI and they made models of the craft

26:13

and they made him like they brought him,

26:17

you know, they used this technology that

26:18

makes it look like he's a lot younger.

26:20

>> Yeah.

26:20

>> And they showed like what his experience

26:23

was. like completely recreated it and it

26:25

down to a tea and I I Jamie and I got a

26:28

chance to watch it with him with Bob and

26:30

Luigi the guy who made the film and it

26:32

was is I mean watching how emotional he

26:35

gets when he's in the room he's like

26:36

this is it this is this is I like it

26:38

freaks me out it like brings me back cuz

26:41

we're talking about 1988 1989 when all

26:44

this was going on

26:45

>> and he really you know I the last report

26:47

I saw it was and somebody interviewed

26:49

him in his house I mean he had like a

26:51

mid80s Corvette or something, you know.

26:54

He's not he not he hasn't cashed in on

26:56

it like everybody else seems to do.

26:58

>> No, he hasn't made any money off of it

26:59

and he's still just a legitimate

27:01

scientist. He runs United Nuclear Labs.

27:03

He's, you know, that's what he does and

27:05

he a brilliant guy and doesn't want the

27:09

attention. Like I it was very difficult

27:11

to get him to come back in a second

27:12

time, you know, and he wanted to wait

27:15

until this documentary was out and come

27:16

in and talk again, but he got freaked

27:18

out. He drank a lot of whiskey, you

27:20

know. He was like he gets weirded out by

27:21

it all. It's all like [clears throat] to

27:23

him the whole experience was very

27:24

surreal and strange and

27:27

>> well you got you got to figure he's the

27:28

one that escaped from all of it and is

27:30

still alive and somehow he got out and

27:32

was able to do it before they could

27:34

silence him. They tried to discredit

27:35

him, said he didn't work there. And then

27:37

I think he produced check stubs even.

27:39

>> Well, not just that. They tried to

27:41

pretend that he never worked at Los

27:42

Alamos Labs, but he was on the employee

27:44

roster. There was there was a lot of

27:45

stuff going on where they tried to

27:46

discredit him. But he went public

27:49

because he was afraid they were going to

27:50

kill him. You know, cuz the initial one

27:52

that he gave a fake name and he was a

27:54

silhouette and he told his story, but

27:55

then his home got broken into, his car

27:58

was getting broken into, he got shot out

28:00

on the highway. It got real weird. And

28:02

so he said, "Look, I've got to go

28:03

public." like like it might be the only

28:04

way to protect myself and he told the

28:06

whole story and he hasn't deviated from

28:08

that story

28:09

>> and that's that's what's really kind of

28:11

crazy cuz it's been you know what 40ome

28:14

years or close to

28:15

>> these guys they ask those questions you

28:17

know they always oh yeah well and they

28:19

say was it red no it's green and then

28:21

they were adamant that it was red 10

28:23

years ago everything about him has been

28:25

that he and I' I've seen

28:27

>> um there was a documentary on him and

28:29

they asked somebody to analyze him uh

28:31

you know was he telling the truth or not

28:33

and he

28:34

I think he's telling the truth.

28:35

>> Yeah, it doesn't seem like he's lying.

28:37

But I mean,

28:39

>> of course, I'm in the business. I'm in

28:40

Congress. So, yeah, he's an amateur.

28:43

We're professionals up there, brother.

28:44

[laughter]

28:45

You only think you can tell a lie.

28:47

>> Yeah. They're not very good at it. The

28:48

people in Congress that are liars, the

28:50

problem with liars is they don't really

28:54

have a good understanding of the truth.

28:57

Because if you're lying all the time and

28:59

you're forging this like fake narrative,

29:02

people see that and so that when you try

29:05

to say it as the truth, it doesn't come

29:07

off like the truth. There's a feeling

29:09

that people get when they talk to you.

29:10

Now, there's some real crazy people that

29:13

are that could just lie. Like really

29:14

insane. But generally, they lie about a

29:17

bunch of stuff. They don't just have one

29:18

lie from 1989.

29:20

>> The term pathological comes to mind. I'm

29:22

Yes. You know that that bass was this

29:24

big, you know. [laughter]

29:26

Well, his story though, one of the

29:29

interesting things is he was talking

29:30

about the ways in which the craft moved

29:33

and then decades later we have footage

29:36

that shows these crafts rotating in the

29:39

direction that they want to travel then

29:40

zooming off. And then of course there

29:42

was the Commander David Fraver incident

29:45

off the coast of San Diego in 2004. And

29:48

if that was our technology, the the

29:51

thing that puzzles me is if we had

29:53

something in 2004 that can go from

29:56

50,000 ft above sea level to sea level

30:00

in under a second.

30:02

I can't imagine that 22 years later

30:05

there would be no advances that it would

30:07

have leaked through into mainstream

30:10

technology. Well, the energy just along

30:12

that the energy it's um you know, we'd

30:14

heat our homes in the winter and cool

30:15

them in the summer, but then again, I

30:18

always throw out the war pimps. I'm not

30:20

my my daddy fought for this country and

30:22

I'm I'm not and you know, that's their

30:24

business is war and their business is

30:25

very good. Um they they will quickly um

30:29

you know, stand up and and and trash a

30:32

guy like Favor. Um he was um he

30:35

testified before our committee and I I

30:37

was I was taken by what he said I know

30:39

him pretty well now but we um

30:41

[clears throat] you know we had the

30:42

committee which was crazy. Uh we uh me

30:47

and Luna and um a bunch of others got

30:50

together and said, "Man, we got to do

30:52

this committee. This is we need to do

30:53

this." And so I went to the chairman and

30:56

he said, [clears throat] "Sure." And

30:57

then they sort of blew it off. And then

31:00

then they want and I go see the staff of

31:03

these committees. And that's that's the

31:04

that's the real problem in Washington.

31:06

Reagan said it best. Don't don't term

31:08

limit politicians. Term limit staff. You

31:11

know, I go in there and I'm told, "Yeah,

31:13

well, I think we want to just talk about

31:15

this Chinese hot air balloon is what we

31:17

want to really talk about." I said, "No.

31:19

Hell no. That's not excuse my language.

31:21

Heck no. Um, we want to um we want to

31:24

talk about dadum UFOs." What people are

31:27

calling us about constantly. I mean, it

31:29

was just getting so much airplay. And

31:31

then, um, I was told by some old-timers,

31:34

which was kind of cool. They said that,

31:36

you know, Tim, I've been here, some of

31:38

them been here 10, 15 years, and said

31:40

that was the most attended committee

31:41

that they could remember. They had to

31:42

open up another room so people could be

31:44

there. I walked out, I was on Fox that

31:46

morning, and um u I I was going out. I

31:50

left my office at 4:30 in the morning

31:53

and I was outside and I remember it was

31:55

hot because it was summertime and there

31:57

was people already outside lining up

32:00

that had come from all over the country

32:02

on their own dime. I mean these weren't

32:03

like wealthy people. I mean one guy said

32:06

this is our vacation this year. were

32:07

coming to this Dadgum committee meeting

32:09

and and Joe they were lined up around

32:11

the hall around everywhere and um that's

32:14

where I met Sean Ryan and um a bunch of

32:17

people and it was just it was amazing to

32:19

me and that's when Congress started

32:21

paying attention to it because they

32:23

realized the voters are paying attention

32:24

to it.

32:25

>> Yeah. I mean that might be the only way

32:27

to put pressure on them. the the thing

32:29

about the alternative energy sources.

32:31

What one of the things that I was

32:33

thinking is that if you were involved in

32:38

whatever petroleum like what whatever

32:40

your business is and there's something

32:42

put them out of business and the

32:44

Pentagon that was my point on the

32:46

Pentagon it would put them out of

32:47

business put the oil companies out of

32:49

business because they would even showing

32:51

a dadum hate signature. You know, if a

32:53

if a blackbird flies across my farm,

32:55

it's going to put out a dum heat

32:57

signature. And and through the um uh all

33:01

the technology we had, you know, as they

33:03

called them, the the tic tac

33:05

>> tic tacs. Yeah. They look like the

33:06

little little mint. And um and that's

33:08

what they were.

33:08

>> That's what Commander David Fraver saw.

33:10

>> Yeah. And not only saw, but there's

33:12

video footage of it. There's radar

33:14

footage of it. It's exhibiting travel

33:17

that's just beyond comprehension for

33:19

modern technology, for current state

33:21

technology. 100%.

33:22

>> But if these people were working on some

33:25

sort of new energy source or some sort

33:28

of new propulsion system, and you've got

33:31

to imagine there's a very small amount

33:33

of people that are on the cutting edge

33:35

of whatever this stuff is. If this is

33:38

like groundbreaking technology that's

33:41

not known by mainstream

33:44

physicists or whoever's working on it

33:46

and you only have a small group of

33:47

people, if you whack one of them, you

33:50

put a big stop to any progress,

33:53

especially if you get the main people,

33:55

the lead scientist, and that guy winds

33:57

up getting assassinated or winds up in

33:59

>> disappears. Yeah.

34:00

>> Disappear. The one lady was the weird

34:02

one. So, she's walking with her

34:04

>> Was she hiking or something?

34:05

>> Yes. walking with her friend. Uh her

34:08

friend turns around and talks to her and

34:10

then walks a little further, turns

34:12

around to say something again and she's

34:14

gone. Just gone. And they bring in dogs.

34:17

They have cadaavver dogs. They they

34:20

can't find her. There's no trace. No

34:21

one's seen her since. And this lady was

34:23

apparently, wasn't she, Jamie? Wasn't

34:25

she involved in some sort of alter

34:28

alternative technology? Alternative?

34:30

>> Yeah, I think she she metallurgy was her

34:34

deal. So you think these

34:36

>> whatever this craft or whatever have to

34:38

be

34:38

>> something and I you know I I said this

34:41

earlier on one time and it made a lot of

34:43

sense. I was surprised that something I

34:45

said did but it sort of stuck. You know

34:47

it's like well why don't they just bring

34:48

it all out now if they've got it. I

34:50

don't think we've got the technology to

34:52

figure out what the heck it is. Like I

34:53

ride motorcycles. I got an old 47 Indian

34:56

Chief. If I were to take that thing back

34:58

to the when they came over in the

35:00

Mayflower, right? You know, they would

35:02

see it and think that's kind of unusual.

35:04

They might worship his as a god. I know

35:06

I sometimes do when I go out to the

35:08

garage, but but uh but you know, they're

35:11

going to they're not going to be able to

35:13

adjust the valves. They're not going to

35:14

know what the heck spark plug is. They

35:16

probably wouldn't be able to figure out

35:17

how to make a fuel with a high enough

35:19

octane for the thing to kick over,

35:21

>> right?

35:21

>> Um and and I think that and they might

35:24

polish it. They might get it started.

35:26

And I think that's sort of where we're

35:27

at with this stuff, Joe. I think it's uh

35:30

I I think a lot of them have something

35:32

and they just don't know what the heck

35:34

to do with it.

35:34

>> Well, that's Bob Lazar's take on it. And

35:36

that was his take on it when he was

35:37

working there in 1989. He said they

35:40

understood how to turn it on. They

35:42

didn't exactly understand how it worked

35:45

or what it did. And they wanted him to

35:47

try to figure it out. those guys that

35:49

came to my house um they they talked

35:52

about that and how these something could

35:54

travel at these light years and and um

35:57

one of them was an astrophysicist and

35:59

and I don't really understand

36:00

astrophysics but um it took me six years

36:03

to get out of UT and I didn't drink or

36:05

smoke pot so I'm just going to elaborate

36:07

a little bit here if [laughter] that's

36:08

all right with you brother have a degree

36:10

in shop technological adult education I

36:12

can fix your lawn mower I can burn your

36:13

house down if you need it wired but I'll

36:15

always have a job but so you got

36:17

something vibrating ating over here and

36:19

then instantly it's over here, right?

36:21

>> And that that's sort of the way they

36:22

explained it, put it on my level to

36:24

understand it. And I mean to me it

36:26

proves that there's a God. I mean

36:27

because it's an instantaneous travel

36:29

that we don't quite comprehend. Now is

36:32

there friction involved? Is and and

36:34

that's where the um um when they see

36:37

these blobs out there that are floating

36:39

around um they um that are lit up. I've

36:43

had several people tell me about that

36:44

how these um there was one incident

36:48

where they surrounded a group of our

36:50

aircraft and um and it was dur and a lot

36:55

of them deal with nuclear weapons. It

36:57

seems that we're around some nukes.

36:58

We've had I always remember I went in

37:01

and um it's been a long time since you

37:03

had a man bun. So I'm going I'm going to

37:05

knock on this. had this bureaucrat with

37:07

a dad gum man bun telling telling me I

37:09

asked him about a certain incident and

37:11

he said we don't have data points on

37:13

that congressman and I said what about

37:14

this deal and he said I don't know what

37:16

you're talking about I said well google

37:17

it everybody in the world knows about we

37:19

had a we had a nuclear power plant that

37:22

had these things fly over and the dad

37:24

gum thing shut down I mean it's been

37:26

documented it has been documented

37:28

unequivocally and you know and and

37:31

that's that and then then you have

37:33

members of Congress go well they said it

37:34

didn't exist so we're out you know, I'm

37:36

good. And I'm like, no, no. I'm sitting

37:38

there reading these officers that are

37:41

obviously very I read people. God gives

37:45

us all a gift. My gift is reading

37:47

somebody. And I was reading these these

37:49

military officers and, you know, they

37:50

had the full in they had all of it. You

37:52

know, they'd been serving for a while

37:54

and some of them had done some things.

37:56

And um I could just sit there reading

37:57

them. They're thinking this little twerp

37:59

right here beside me. I'd choke him out

38:01

if I could. You know, I mean, they were

38:03

just like they were angry. No, not at

38:05

me. At him at him because they wanted to

38:08

tell something and this was a Biden

38:09

appointee and you know it just

38:12

>> and and and and that's a lot of the

38:14

times we I was in one situation I'll

38:17

just call it where they sent somebody in

38:19

basically just to disrupt and you know

38:22

to throw at a at at at a witness and um

38:27

and that witness just it was like a he

38:29

was like a pro ball player hitting

38:31

T-ball man. He was just knocking them

38:33

out of the dad gum park every said what

38:35

about and he gave a date and he said oh

38:37

you're talking about this incident well

38:39

let me tell you what happened there and

38:40

and he would go through everything and

38:43

it was and it was beautiful it was

38:44

beautiful and then he got disgusted and

38:47

end up leaving the meeting and you know

38:49

and and that's they they send people in

38:51

to disrupt they're just not going to

38:53

turn and I don't know if the fact that

38:55

and and the corruption in Washington DC

38:57

is not like it used to be you know it's

38:59

not like oh I got a picture of you

39:01

sleeping with some hooker over in

39:03

Istanbul, you know, oh, make copies. I

39:05

want to take it to my buddies. I mean,

39:07

that's about the that's about what you'd

39:08

get now. But way it is now is I think is

39:12

that some members have a family member

39:15

or a wife and or girlfriend that could

39:18

work for one of these groups

39:20

>> and they're told,

39:21

>> "Hey, you want to keep your dad gum job

39:23

or you want these pictures to come out

39:25

or whatever? I we need a little help

39:27

here." And then they go disrupt and come

39:29

into the committee meetings and ask

39:31

ridiculous questions to try to get a a

39:33

partisan fight going.

39:35

>> And maybe some of them do it unbeknownst

39:37

to them what they're being told to do,

39:39

but they do it because they're they're

39:41

just lap dogs.

39:42

>> So there's a strategy where they have a

39:44

bunch of people that they sort of

39:45

compromise as disruptors and they

39:48

>> and they are compromised. Exactly.

39:50

That's the word. I I was on a I'm going

39:53

to say another one. I was on the Benny

39:55

show early when he was early on and um

39:58

and I was talking

39:59

>> Johnson.

39:59

>> Yeah. Yeah.

40:00

>> Um and so um he's been very kind to me

40:03

and so he um he asked me about how do

40:05

they do it and I said, "Well, they used

40:06

to do this thing called the honeypot.

40:08

You know, they you'd go to some you go

40:10

on I never go on trips. The only trip

40:12

I've ever been on a Kodell was to uh the

40:15

border down here uh down in Texas. And I

40:18

um I went down for one day, flew down

40:21

here, saw the border, saw all the people

40:23

coming over the border, got in an

40:25

airplane, flew home. I was it was about

40:26

18-hour trip. It wasn't any luxurious. I

40:28

stayed in a room that my buddies at the

40:30

frat house would have probably asked for

40:32

our money back in. It was pretty rough,

40:34

you know. Got some good barbecue,

40:35

though. But anyway, so I um these guys

40:39

go on these trips and say you're sitting

40:42

down at the bar. I mean, you're a

40:43

good-looking guy. some girl comes up to

40:46

you or some guy, whatever your interest,

40:48

whatever your proclivities are and

40:50

laughing at your jokes and you know,

40:52

next thing you know, you're up in the

40:53

bedroom,

40:54

>> right,

40:54

>> naked with them. And then you think,

40:56

man, I pulled off the great I pulled

40:57

this off. I was with this smoke show and

40:59

my wife and kids don't know about it and

41:02

I'm just going to, you know, me I'm just

41:04

just me just between me and the Lord.

41:06

And then you know you're getting ready

41:07

to make a key vote and one and a staffer

41:10

comes up or or a lobbyist or something.

41:12

You're in the hall and says, "Hey,

41:14

congressman said 'Yeah man, how's it

41:16

going?" I said, 'He got this big vote.

41:17

Yeah, but I I'm not for y'all on this

41:19

one. Okay, we understand. He said, "Hey,

41:21

um were you in a motel room in in

41:24

Istanbul with a pretty red head one

41:26

time?" And they and they say, "Man, I

41:29

don't want that out. It'll wreck my No,

41:30

we don't want it out. We don't We just

41:31

need your help." And that's how they

41:33

sink their claws into you. They used to

41:35

and they might do that now. But I was on

41:37

the Benny show and I was talking about

41:38

that. Oh man, I caught it from I mean as

41:42

leadership and members, man, everybody

41:44

thinks we're sleeping. I said I didn't

41:46

say everybody. I just said some of y'all

41:47

are. I said, you know, don't don't and

41:50

every day you can there's a new one

41:51

getting in trouble. So it's not any big

41:53

secret. Um 435 of us. So

41:57

>> you get 435 people. You're going to have

41:59

a few freaks in there. Ouch. [laughter]

42:02

435 group of any human beings.

42:05

>> Yeah. Any you go to

42:06

>> especially, you know, if you can

42:08

compromise a man with beautiful women,

42:10

it's not that hard to do.

42:11

>> Or if they're if they're gay and they

42:13

don't want it out in their in their

42:15

public or whatever. So

42:17

>> I I said this to Benny and and I and I

42:20

caught it and then about a week later a

42:22

week later and I I said it's probably

42:24

the Chinese, the Russians or something.

42:26

They busted a Chinese prostitution ring.

42:28

And what did they list as their

42:30

clientele? [laughter]

42:32

Lobbyists, government employees, and

42:36

politicians,

42:37

>> of course.

42:37

>> And then what happened the next week?

42:39

That story went away. And Benny had does

42:41

this thing. He showed me walking out and

42:43

he like I throw a match and the and the

42:46

whatever behind me just burst into

42:47

flames and I'm walking out, you know.

42:49

It's really cool. And um uh he also did

42:52

a song of me singing Dad Gum, which is

42:53

my cuss. I don't cuss, I say Dad Gum.

42:55

and he did that. But anyway, but that

42:57

was my point is that they use this stuff

42:59

and they know what we want. They, you

43:01

know, these guys, these countries, they

43:03

know uh they own the internet, so they

43:06

know which porn you look at at your in

43:07

the privacy of your home that you think

43:09

you're, you know, you got this private

43:11

name on your freaking computer and they

43:13

know, you know, and so that's what

43:15

they're going to hit you with. So

43:17

anyway, that's that's a long story, but

43:19

it's I think mostly it's just jobs now.

43:22

>> Mostly jobs and influence and figuring

43:23

out Well, you think about you get a dirt

43:25

bag, you're going to get him to sleep

43:26

with some hooker. You know, that that's

43:28

going to happen, you know, eventually,

43:30

too. But I just don't I don't know if

43:32

it's that prevalent. And I had a

43:33

lobbyist tell me one time,

43:35

>> he was uh his name was Tom Hensley. He

43:37

was the golden goose. He was a liquor

43:39

lobbyist in Nashville, Tennessee. And he

43:40

was a caricature of what a lobbyist is.

43:42

He three-piece suit, big old cowboy

43:44

boots, smoking a cigar. And we were at

43:47

the Crown Plaza. He liked me because I

43:50

never would vote for his liquor bills,

43:51

but I never would vote for a tax on them

43:53

either. So, um he he um he we were there

43:57

and the guy from the governor's office

43:59

came and just chewed both of us out, you

44:01

know, just treated me. I'm a legislator

44:02

and he was treating me like a dog and I

44:04

and he and Goose is sitting back there

44:06

and he had that fancy Jack Daniels black

44:09

label or whatever it is that the fancy

44:10

version of it is cuz he represented Jack

44:12

Daniels made in Tennessee. And he pulls

44:15

that big $5 cigar out of mouth and he

44:17

goes, "Burch it." He goes, "Governors

44:20

come and go, but the old goose will be

44:22

sitting right here." And he said, I

44:23

said, 'What are he gonna do? Is he gonna

44:25

shut you down, man? All these, you gonna

44:26

tell these people stuff? He goes,

44:28

Burgett, I just need one chairman. I

44:30

don't need the whole in one body of the

44:32

house, you know, the House or the

44:34

Senate. I just need one chairman that'll

44:36

listen to me. And he wasn't saying he

44:38

never did anything crooked in front of

44:39

me and he never offered me any bribes or

44:41

anything, right? But that was a good

44:43

lesson to learn as a young man when I

44:45

was in the state legislature. Well, if

44:47

you just think about how much money

44:48

Congress people wind up leaving office

44:51

with, just that alone is incentive to

44:53

play ball.

44:54

>> Wait a minute. You don't mean you don't

44:55

think we're making 16,000% on our own

44:57

knowledge? [laughter]

45:00

>> I got my daughter called me a while back

45:03

and said, "Dad, um, and she's super

45:05

smart. She's do anything. I'm

45:08

veterinarian doctor. I brain surgeon.

45:10

She's crazy smart. I married my wife and

45:12

adopted her. My wife was a widow, so

45:14

genetically she's not mine. But when she

45:16

gets into trouble, my wife says, "That's

45:17

all you, Tim Burton." But she's a

45:20

exceptional little girl. And she said,

45:21

"Dad, I think I'd just like to cut

45:23

hair." And I was like, "Right on, girl.

45:26

You go undo it." And u and that's what

45:28

she does. I mean, she's she's going to

45:30

school to do that. So, I cashed out my

45:32

$11,000 portfolio, which was a mutual

45:35

fund because I think and I don't own any

45:38

individual stocks, but I think that

45:40

members of Congress ought to do that.

45:41

That was my bill. You don't own more

45:43

people, Joe. more people have played

45:45

professional baseball than have ever

45:48

been in in Congress. Um, you know, it's

45:51

it's a very it's a very tight it's a

45:54

very and I tell people if you don't get

45:55

off that dad gum plane and look at that

45:57

capital and get chill bumps, you need to

45:59

get your butt back on that plane and go

46:01

home because we don't need you there.

46:03

And everybody knocks on Pelosi and I

46:05

know that. But out of the top 10, you

46:06

know where she is in the in the amount

46:09

of trades,

46:10

>> where is she at?

46:11

>> Number 11. She's not even in the top 10,

46:14

dude.

46:14

>> Well, she should get a better PR person.

46:16

>> It's crazy cuz everybody uses her as an

46:18

example.

46:18

>> I know, but she don't care. I mean, if

46:20

you were making 16,000%, would you care?

46:23

>> Oh, I would be a little concerned that

46:25

someone would come for me.

46:26

>> Ah, she's all right. She

46:27

>> Well, it's just bizarre that it's legal.

46:29

That's the most bizarre.

46:30

>> Oh, it's it's it's it's not right. It's

46:33

not right, but it's it's it's legal. And

46:35

I just said, "Look, you cash out

46:37

everything. You put it in a mutual fund.

46:39

And I know they got this bill and

46:41

everybody's all fired up for it. And I'm

46:43

not a I'm don't know what I'm going to

46:44

do about it. I'm bill. They got a new

46:46

bill. They don't like my bill. Mine and

46:48

Luna's bill that says that you um you

46:50

can't own individual stocks. Just own a

46:52

mutual fund. They're going to let you

46:54

keep your portfolio. So, and some of

46:56

these cats got a $20 million dad gum

46:58

portfolio.

46:59

>> And they made $170,000 a year, which is

47:02

amazing. Imagine the average person out

47:04

there making $170,000 and all a sudden

47:07

they make

47:09

>> a hundred million

47:10

>> in the stock market.

47:12

>> And we're we're involved

47:14

and I not all of them are crooked. Some

47:16

of them are they are geniuses. I've been

47:18

in Congress with some real geniuses but

47:21

you know if you see I'll give you a case

47:22

in point. All right? And I've said this

47:24

many times and nobody's

47:27

uh come after me and said you know they

47:29

told me to quit saying it but I don't

47:30

care. I got a dag on first amendment. I

47:32

don't care. They can't they come to

47:34

knock to East Tennessee and try to beat

47:35

me. But but they um if if uh uh I forgot

47:41

what I was saying now, man. I've lost my

47:42

mind. I guess that's part you're going

47:43

to have to cut out.

47:44

>> Oh, no. It's We're talking about insider

47:46

trading. We're talking about the amount

47:47

of money that people generate.

47:50

That's where we're at. We're talking

47:52

about

47:52

>> genius. Someone's a genius. Really good

47:54

at it.

47:55

>> Yeah. I'm trying to think. I forgot it.

47:56

I've got so many oneliners in my head,

47:58

Joe. [laughter] I should have written

47:59

all these down. Written all these down.

48:00

But anyway, um they they all not not all

48:04

of them are crooked. Some of them are

48:06

are really are that good. But I'm sure

48:08

>> but Oh, I know what it was. It was it

48:10

was um uh when Russia and invaded

48:14

Ukraine. I haven't voted for a dime for

48:16

that. It's not our dad gum war. I don't

48:18

I I keep keep my dollars here. We need

48:21

to defend our own dad gum borders. Well,

48:24

Joe Biden, for better for worse, gave

48:26

Ukraine basically our missile defense

48:28

system. So immediately we had to

48:31

replenish our missile defense system.

48:33

Now who do you think owns stock in that

48:35

in those missile defense systems?

48:39

Members of Congress.

48:40

>> Yeah.

48:40

>> Members of Congress. And apparently some

48:42

of them had bought it at at fairly close

48:46

to those time periods. And so

48:49

>> I don't know. Are they doing something

48:50

crooked? I don't I mean you can't prove

48:52

it.

48:52

>> Well, if it's not crooked, they know

48:54

things that would help them.

48:56

>> And I just they are remove all reproach.

48:58

And if you if you got a $20 million

49:00

portfolio or whatever, some probably

49:02

have more than that, you know good and

49:04

dad gum well, you're going to vote. It's

49:06

in the back of your mind, you're going

49:08

to vote to make my my investment worth a

49:11

little more.

49:12

>> Yeah. So, the possibility of financial

49:16

windfall would probably make people play

49:20

ball,

49:22

>> which makes sense. Which makes sense.

49:23

Sure. Human nature. You got you got guys

49:26

up there that are that, you know,

49:28

they've got they got expenses at home,

49:32

got a couple kids in school, got

49:34

payments on a house, you know, and

49:36

>> $170,000 doesn't go as far as it used

49:38

to, I guess.

49:39

>> And they just human nature. You want

49:42

more. People want more. They they want,

49:45

you know, whatever it is.

49:47

>> And a lot of times it's not them

49:48

investing, it's their,

49:50

>> you know, their wife or their spouse.

49:52

And we've seen cases of that where,

49:55

>> you know, a 16-year-old kid is

49:58

>> doing pretty well,

49:59

>> right? And it's a child of someone who

50:01

has some inside information. There's

50:03

something that just came out yesterday

50:04

about Roana, this a guy Kevin Bass uh on

50:08

Twitter posted this big long he this

50:11

examination of his stock trades and how

50:14

much money he's made and how he's made

50:16

it and what he's done. And there's I

50:18

mean it's just all over Congress. It's

50:21

you have inside information. That's what

50:24

it is.

50:24

>> That's disappointing. I know, Ro. But,

50:26

you know,

50:27

>> I don't know if it's true.

50:27

>> Yeah. I don't know. I mean, you could

50:29

pull it up if you want, Jamie. It's uh

50:31

Kevin Bass, B A S. It's Bass or Bass.

50:35

I'm not sure how to pronounce his last

50:36

name, but he made this very detailed

50:39

post about it. But, I mean, that's just

50:41

one example of one person who's

50:43

profited. I'm sure it's probably minor

50:47

in comparison to the other 11 that are

50:49

ahead of Nancy Pelosi.

50:50

>> I sleep on my couch in my office and I

50:53

shower in the gym. I don't have a place.

50:55

I can't afford it. It's too expensive up

50:58

there. I was so When I got elected with

51:00

a guy one time and he said when we got

51:02

elected, he said, "Hey Burch, I just

51:04

paid $1.2 million for this place. What

51:06

do you think?" And I know he was just

51:07

bragging to me, you know, because I no

51:09

way I could do something like that. And

51:11

he said, um, and I said, "Well, probably

51:13

in a couple years they're going to say,

51:14

I can't believe you only paid $1.2

51:16

million for it because, damn, the price

51:17

of that that real estate up there is

51:19

just crazy. It is crazy." And

51:23

it's a rich man's game. It is really a

51:26

rich man's game.

51:26

>> And the problem with being around rich

51:28

men is even if you're rich, you don't

51:31

feel like you're rich if you're in

51:33

comparison to them. And so if you're

51:35

worth a couple million and this guy over

51:37

here is worth 50, you're like, "Damn, I

51:38

got to up my game.

51:39

>> I got to up my game." you're in this

51:41

sort of culture, this culture of a bunch

51:44

of people that are investing a bunch of

51:45

money and making a bunch of returns and

51:47

>> and I I'll tell you one it was a public

51:49

meeting. I remember it was in

51:50

transportation that we dealt with some

51:52

technology in an airport and it was

51:53

pretty cool and um I just asked the

51:56

question I said uh is that is your stock

51:59

publicly traded? And you know, I looked

52:02

I was watching people see what they did.

52:03

Then they all looked up, you know, and I

52:05

thought, note to self, call my broker

52:07

when I walk out of here. You know,

52:09

[laughter]

52:12

>> it's just very odd that that has been

52:15

legal for so long. That's what's very

52:17

odd.

52:17

>> It's disgusting. And all here's what

52:19

we're going to do. We'll pass some bill

52:21

and the Senate will pass another bill or

52:23

phone just won't take it up, which is

52:25

we're seeing a lot of now. won't take

52:26

anything up and it'll die and we'll all

52:29

go back back to um our people and say,

52:32

"Oh, look, I tried to do this. I voted

52:34

for this bill, but you know, I didn't

52:35

get a I didn't get a dead gum break, you

52:38

know, and and look how tough we are."

52:40

And and or or you know, and and they'll

52:42

all be up at Kenny Bunkport sipping

52:45

expensive wine and toasting each other

52:47

on their great financial choices.

52:49

>> That's where Bush is from, right?

52:51

>> I don't know. I think so. Yeah. Yeah.

52:52

>> I think they're from Kenny Bunkport,

52:54

Maine.

52:54

>> Yeah. I just threw that one out. It's

52:56

the only place I could think of, Myrtle

52:58

Beach, South Carolina for somebody like

53:00

me would be pretty cool.

53:01

>> So, one of the things about this uh

53:03

disclosure thing, um the documentary uh

53:06

Age of Disclosure. Yeah. And you're in

53:08

that.

53:08

>> Um it's really great. If you haven't

53:10

seen it, folks, and you're interested in

53:12

the UFO phenomenon, one of the

53:15

fascinating uh aspects about age of

53:18

disclosure is you got all these insider

53:20

people that are all talking about all

53:22

these different experiences that people

53:23

have had and all this stuff that people

53:24

know. And one subject came up that made

53:30

a lot of sense and it was that if there

53:33

have been back engineering programs and

53:35

they've have had access to all this

53:38

technology and they've had crashed

53:41

vehicles and biological entities and

53:44

they've been all these programs studying

53:46

this for so long they had to have

53:48

funding. So if they had funding that

53:50

means they had to lie to Congress. So if

53:52

they had a lie to Congress there's

53:53

misappropriation of funds. So you're

53:54

talking about massive fel felonies. So

53:56

if they don't have some sort of amnesty,

54:00

and this is one of the things that's

54:01

pushed throughout this entire

54:02

documentary is that we need some kind of

54:05

mass amnesty.

54:07

>> I'm a very skeptical person. I see

54:09

something like that, I'm like, "Okay, I

54:10

see what you're doing. You are talking

54:13

about UFOs so you can get some sort of

54:17

amnesty for misappropriation of funds."

54:19

And that might just be straight up

54:21

fraud. There might be fraud and theft

54:25

and you might have moved money into

54:26

offshore accounts and there's must might

54:29

a bunch of shady and you could say,

54:31

"Oh, but we'll tell you some very

54:34

obscure information about UAPs." I don't

54:38

like that term because it was always

54:39

UFOs.

54:40

>> UFOs. That was that was a misdirection.

54:42

I hate that term.

54:43

>> Why do we need a new name? We've already

54:45

had that name forever.

54:47

UFOs is fun. UAPs makes me this feels

54:50

sanitized. [snorts]

54:51

>> But if they can give you some

54:55

you know, semi shady information. Now

54:58

you've got amnesty. Now you've got

55:00

amnesty. And you've got amnesty for

55:03

decades of misappropriation of funds. So

55:06

maybe

55:07

>> some of it is real. Maybe a lot of it is

55:09

real. Maybe a lot of it is really back

55:12

engineering programs. Maybe they really

55:13

have been doing these things. and maybe

55:15

they can give us slowly trickle down

55:18

some insight as to what's going on.

55:20

It'll probably take forever if you ever

55:21

get anything out of it. But in the

55:23

meantime, all these people that have

55:25

made who knows how much money in shady

55:29

ways with all this misappropriation of

55:31

funds and now they're not in trouble

55:33

anymore.

55:34

>> Yeah. Representative Eric Berles has a

55:36

bill to do just that and it was but it's

55:38

it's whistleblower protection is the way

55:41

you need to go about that. M

55:42

>> and um and and he can't he's tried to

55:46

get it attached to bills and he we just

55:49

won't allow it. They won't allow it or

55:51

they put it on and kill it in the

55:52

Senate. You know, it's the same old

55:53

game, Joe, [snorts] back and forth. So

55:55

then the other problem that's brought up

55:57

in age of disclosure is say if you do

56:01

have a retrieved craft from wherever

56:06

another planet another dimension

56:08

whatever it is from the ocean whatever

56:10

it is and you need to study this thing.

56:13

What where are you bringing it to? Most

56:15

likely you're going to bring it to a

56:17

weapons manufacturing company

56:18

>> 100%.

56:19

>> And so if you do that well what about

56:21

the other companies? They don't have

56:22

access to that. Well then they can sue.

56:24

are thinking why didn't I get access to

56:26

that sort of technology why does this

56:28

person you've damaged my business or you

56:31

know what have you and also people have

56:34

probably lied under oath about whether

56:36

or not those things exist or what where

56:39

they got certain technologies

56:41

I mean there's a bunch of different

56:43

reasons why you could see why logical

56:46

reasons why you could see why they would

56:48

try to try to put the brakes on

56:49

disclosure and try to put some blockades

56:51

up and try to obiscate and make things

56:54

much more difficult to get through.

56:56

>> I agree

56:58

100%. And that's why I think these folks

57:01

disappearing and dying unexpect

57:02

unexpectedly are

57:04

>> Yeah.

57:04

>> are delivering some of those messages.

57:06

>> Yeah. It's

57:07

>> and members of Congress will um you

57:10

know, several of the people that have

57:11

been involved that are really heavily

57:13

into it now, they were real skeptics. We

57:15

kind of brought them in. I needed some

57:17

skeptics. It couldn't just all be a

57:19

bunch of folks that thought like I did.

57:21

and um and they're now not skeptics.

57:24

>> Can you give me some examples of like

57:25

how that happened?

57:26

>> Yeah. Uh well, we had a committee

57:28

meeting and um my buddy Eric Burlson for

57:30

instance, he was he was a skeptic and um

57:34

and and I mean I'm a skeptic of a lot of

57:36

it myself, but I just have been studying

57:38

for sedum along and he um you know he he

57:42

was in the committee and and he's asking

57:45

very poignant sharp questions which is

57:48

what you're supposed to do in a hearing.

57:50

and um he you know he's he's one of the

57:54

biggest advocates now for total release

57:56

of every of everything matter he's he's

57:59

always at the forefront of writing

58:01

legislation when we're doing something

58:02

we're always me him and Luna um Jared

58:06

Moscowitz and the and the on the

58:08

Democrat side is is involved in it a lot

58:11

and uh you know and and other members

58:13

will come in and say hey can um I want

58:16

to be read into this committee or what

58:18

which means they can come on when we do

58:20

the UFO stuff, but nothing really had

58:22

the impact as that first committee

58:24

meeting. And I told people at the end of

58:27

it, I was recognized at the end. I said

58:29

the one thing about and Nancy Mace, of

58:31

course, she's involved with as well. And

58:33

one thing um at the end I said, you

58:36

know, find I just want y'all to know

58:37

that that people do believe you. This is

58:39

not some crazy far out thing. And you

58:42

all are have a right to be skeptical and

58:46

and and ask questions of your government

58:48

and get these answers because

58:51

we're not going to give it to you

58:52

without without y'all without y'all

58:54

being there and raising these questions.

58:56

>> Well, there's too many stories from too

58:58

many credible people, too many people

59:00

like Ryan Graves, too many people like

59:01

Commander David Fraver. There's too many

59:03

people that you just go, I don't know

59:05

why this person would lie about this one

59:07

thing.

59:07

>> Can Can I tell you one that I got on?

59:09

Um, I was in the state legislature with

59:11

a guy and uh and he was watching um

59:17

Unknown Aliens or something and they

59:19

they film you one time and then they use

59:21

you for like three years. Ancient

59:23

Aliens.

59:23

>> Ancient Aliens. I'm sorry. Great. I love

59:26

that show. I love those guys. They're

59:27

all great. I love it. I love it.

59:29

>> Shout out to Giorgio Giorgio Suclair.

59:33

>> I love that guy. He's I think he's

59:34

Greek. I need to get him to Knoxville

59:36

for for the Greek festival. But anyway,

59:38

he'd [snorts] be a rock star there. But

59:40

so, um, uh, again, we're, you know, I'm

59:44

losing my my train of thought here, Joe.

59:46

I don't even smoke weed and I'm losing

59:48

my train of thought. What were we

59:49

talking about here? I hope you edit some

59:50

of this cuz I look We're talking

59:52

about disclosure. We're talking about

59:54

things that people see.

59:56

>> Yeah. Yeah. I was telling you about So,

59:57

I'm I pick up the phone and buddy of

59:59

mine says, "Timbo." And I recognized the

1:00:02

voice. I said, "Hey, brother. What are

1:00:03

you up to?" We were in the state house

1:00:04

together. He said, 'I just saw you on

1:00:06

Ancient Aliens.' And I said, 'Okay.'

1:00:08

[laughter] And I thought, here it comes.

1:00:10

You know, [snorts] hey, you've been

1:00:11

probed lately. You know, you get that

1:00:12

stuff from some of the guys gals in

1:00:14

Congress.

1:00:15

>> And he said, "Can I tell you a story?"

1:00:17

And I said, "Sure, buddy." And his voice

1:00:19

kind of got quiet.

1:00:20

>> And I remember he hollered at his wife.

1:00:22

He said, "Hey." Said her name. He said,

1:00:25

"Uh, when what year was that?" Is when

1:00:27

he was in the Navy. And she said it was.

1:00:29

And she gave the date. It was I think in

1:00:31

the 50s. And [clears throat] he was out

1:00:33

on a boat. and I don't know, you know,

1:00:35

battleship from an aircraft carrier, but

1:00:37

anyway, he's out on a boat and they were

1:00:39

arming a sub with um with nukes. It was

1:00:42

in the early part of that where the subs

1:00:44

could launch nuclear weapons and they

1:00:46

were all out on the deck and all of a

1:00:48

sudden it got there's just a cloud over

1:00:51

them. He said he looked up and he saw

1:00:54

this humongous saucer in the air and he

1:00:57

said he said Timbo he said if that thing

1:01:00

wasn't two block if that thing wasn't

1:01:02

two blocks long I I'll kiss your butt

1:01:05

and I said and and he described it to me

1:01:07

you know he said he gave the color and

1:01:09

he and it was the classic saucer he said

1:01:11

there was lights coming out of portals

1:01:13

around it and he said it made no noise

1:01:16

whatsoever and it just sat there and

1:01:18

hovered and they just looked up at it

1:01:21

and then it just went it just went

1:01:24

straight up. No noise, no nothing, no

1:01:27

anything. And um I mean I was just like,

1:01:29

"What the heck was that?" You know, and

1:01:32

so when they get back to port, [snorts]

1:01:34

the guys in the suits come on the the

1:01:37

you know, the so-called men in black. I

1:01:39

just they're just spooks CIA or

1:01:41

something and told them they said, "This

1:01:43

is national security. if you talk about

1:01:44

this uh we'll um you'll be in

1:01:48

Levvenworth the rest of your dad lives

1:01:49

busting rocks and back then that you

1:01:51

know nobody the cell phone wasn't

1:01:53

invented Al Gore hadn't invented the

1:01:54

internet yet.

1:01:55

>> What year was this?

1:01:56

>> It would have been in the uh the 50s

1:01:58

late 50s late 50s I believe [snorts] or

1:02:01

early 60s. So, and then but he gave me

1:02:04

some descriptions and after this came

1:02:06

out, I mean my phone, Joe, every day

1:02:09

when this started breaking, I would get

1:02:11

somebody would call me and send me

1:02:13

pictures of something, you know, that's

1:02:14

like a reflection or something, you

1:02:16

know, and oh, come out to my house. All

1:02:18

right, I'm afraid I was going to end up

1:02:19

in a freezer in North Carolina or

1:02:21

something, you know, [laughter] be

1:02:22

somebody's dinner. And I was like,

1:02:24

[snorts] I don't want to go out there

1:02:24

and look at it. Just send me a picture

1:02:26

of it. And every day, but then I get I

1:02:28

got a call from a guy who was Air Force

1:02:29

and I and I I Googled him. He's legit.

1:02:32

And he told me about a um a sighting he

1:02:35

had. He was out um they were out fishing

1:02:38

um in Florida and and it was near where

1:02:41

one of the military bases was and this

1:02:43

thing and he described exactly what my

1:02:47

buddy had seen and this he saw this in

1:02:49

the um I think the early 80s and or late

1:02:52

70s and he described this craft that was

1:02:55

just hovering and it was just going

1:02:57

along and these then you know it was

1:03:00

just going on a pretty good click and he

1:03:01

said these jets were trying to keep up

1:03:03

with it. he could tell by the, you know,

1:03:05

because he's an Air Force guy and

1:03:07

[snorts] he was an officer and um it was

1:03:09

legitimate and I've since read the story

1:03:12

that he told, but um but it was it was

1:03:17

strangely identical

1:03:20

>> in the the the color,

1:03:22

>> the you know, the texture was it was an

1:03:25

off gray, I believe. And um and but it

1:03:28

didn't really matter, but it was just

1:03:30

the same one that they said. could have

1:03:31

been chartreuse for all I know. But they

1:03:34

um but the the the size and the uh

1:03:37

circumference and the um the the dome on

1:03:41

top and the port holes and just

1:03:43

everything was just very very similar to

1:03:46

what this guy had told me about just a

1:03:48

few weeks prior. And you when you see

1:03:51

identical things of people that have no

1:03:52

contact with each other to me that that

1:03:55

says something. And with these pilots

1:03:57

they're risking their careers to come

1:03:58

forward. And those engineers in Age of

1:04:00

Discovery that come forward, their their

1:04:03

reputations and everything are on the

1:04:04

line,

1:04:04

>> right? These aren't rich people. They

1:04:06

can't just retire.

1:04:07

>> No. And they're good folks. I've hung

1:04:09

out with them when came when they had

1:04:11

the world premiere, which was something

1:04:13

else. Me standing on a red red carpet. A

1:04:16

little out of place in that

1:04:19

at at a film festival.

1:04:20

>> Yeah. No, I'm sure I avoid those things.

1:04:23

They're weird. But this uh this subject

1:04:27

when you talk about them uh appearing

1:04:30

over bases, appearing over aircraft

1:04:32

carriers, appearing over submarines that

1:04:35

have nuclear capability,

1:04:37

it kind of makes sense that if you were

1:04:40

from another planet or you're from

1:04:41

another dimension or wherever it is and

1:04:43

you're monitoring what seems to be the

1:04:46

most intelligent species and the most

1:04:48

capable species on the planet that when

1:04:50

they would get access to something like

1:04:52

that, like all The UFO sightings ramped

1:04:55

up considerably after World War II.

1:04:57

After we dropped the bombs.

1:04:58

>> After we dropped the bomb.

1:05:00

>> Yeah. There was a considerable amount of

1:05:03

activity. You know, that's when Kenneth

1:05:05

Arnold first saw those things and talked

1:05:08

about them as flying saucers.

1:05:09

>> Called them flying saucers.

1:05:11

>> Washington State. Is that what that was?

1:05:13

They look like said they look like stone

1:05:15

skipping across the look like little

1:05:16

saucers.

1:05:17

>> Yeah. So that's where the term first got

1:05:21

introduced into the modern world. And

1:05:24

then you see so many of them and then

1:05:26

you hear these stories about them going

1:05:28

flying over nuclear bases and hovering

1:05:30

over and shutting down the equipment and

1:05:33

just the fact that they would hover over

1:05:35

that submarine and then take off. Just

1:05:37

to let you know like that's what we can

1:05:40

do. It was probably a smart move if you

1:05:42

if you don't want to completely

1:05:44

intervene and like kidnap people and

1:05:47

shut down the government and land on the

1:05:48

White House lawn and freak everybody

1:05:50

out. What better way than to take

1:05:53

something that's completely isolated

1:05:55

like a submarine in the ocean where you

1:05:57

know everybody's going to lock

1:05:58

everything down top secret and just show

1:06:00

yourself and just like hey like

1:06:04

we're here we're here and we are

1:06:07

watching everything so don't do anything

1:06:10

stupid

1:06:11

>> you know you talked about that that that

1:06:13

issue or episode I remember when they um

1:06:16

at first I've never been invited back of

1:06:19

course but the um intelligence committ

1:06:21

committee when they did the UFO thing

1:06:23

[snorts] and there was they had these

1:06:24

all these seats and it was an open to

1:06:26

the open to the everybody, Congress and

1:06:29

the press and everybody and they had all

1:06:31

these seats behind these this white bl

1:06:33

this white guy and this black guy who

1:06:35

were appointed to oversee the UAP issue

1:06:38

which um and I remembered I thought I'm

1:06:41

going to get there early, get the seat

1:06:42

down front and I sat right behind those

1:06:44

guys and nobody else showed up. I was

1:06:46

the only member of Congress outside of

1:06:48

the members in the in the um in on the

1:06:51

committee. And Joe, those guys couldn't

1:06:53

spell UFO. I mean, they were

1:06:55

intelligent. They were um I'm sure

1:06:59

they're patriots. They had no clue about

1:07:02

anything. So, there's questions asked

1:07:04

about certain incidents and uh we don't

1:07:07

know anything about that, you know. And

1:07:08

I thought to myself, that's when the

1:07:10

compartmentalization

1:07:12

uh came to in my mind, how they

1:07:14

compartmentalize that stuff because to

1:07:16

them, they could take a lie detector

1:07:17

test and say, I don't know anything

1:07:19

about it. Because they are kept away

1:07:21

from it. It's like they're looking down

1:07:22

the barrel of a .22 rifle, man. It's

1:07:24

just a little bitty area and they don't

1:07:26

get outside that area and they don't ask

1:07:28

questions and they don't unless they're

1:07:30

told.

1:07:30

>> And if you want to keep your career,

1:07:32

that's how you have to operate

1:07:33

>> and your pension and everything else.

1:07:35

Absolutely. It makes sense. That that

1:07:37

aspect of it makes sense. Um what

1:07:40

doesn't totally make sense is why now

1:07:44

disclosure other than [snorts]

1:07:47

um I mean this is being cynical. The

1:07:49

Iran war is not going very well.

1:07:51

American public's very upset. A lot of

1:07:53

people don't think we should have ever

1:07:54

been involved in that in the first

1:07:55

place. And we need some good news.

1:07:57

>> I think we um some I

1:08:00

>> we need something to distract us. We

1:08:01

need something to take our focus off of.

1:08:03

If I was gonna do it, now would be the

1:08:05

time I'd do it. Yeah. But yeah,

1:08:07

>> I I don't think Trump really even cares.

1:08:09

I think he just wants to get it out

1:08:10

there.

1:08:10

>> Well, I think he does, too. You know,

1:08:12

he's talked about it. Like, and he's

1:08:14

also

1:08:14

>> I mean, no, I mean, I don't think he

1:08:15

cares about

1:08:17

um trying to get a everybody off off

1:08:20

target, you know, by by disclosing UFOs.

1:08:22

I think he cares about all of it, but I

1:08:24

don't think he cares that if they're

1:08:26

talking about it or not. I just think he

1:08:28

he genuinely sees that America needs to

1:08:30

know this stuff. Well, he also realizes

1:08:32

America wants to know it and he's an

1:08:35

outsider. I mean, even though he's the

1:08:37

president, he is in a lot of ways he's

1:08:39

an outsider. And

1:08:42

>> I mean, this is his last term,

1:08:43

>> right? And so, it's like if you're going

1:08:45

to if someone's going to do it, do it.

1:08:46

You want to leave a legacy, be the guy

1:08:48

who releases all these files.

1:08:50

>> I tried to kill him three times. Yeah.

1:08:52

So, you know, it's not and that ain't no

1:08:55

>> Did you see that judge that apologized

1:08:57

to the guy that Did you see the story?

1:09:00

>> No. Okay. The guy who was at the White

1:09:03

House correspondents dinner that shot

1:09:04

one of the Secret Service agents and the

1:09:06

guy got arrested. Yeah. The judge who's

1:09:08

dealing with the case apologized to him

1:09:11

for his treatment in jail.

1:09:14

[laughter]

1:09:14

>> Do you have that, Jamie? See if you can

1:09:15

find that.

1:09:16

>> He should have gotten some quality stick

1:09:17

time.

1:09:18

>> This is another guy. This judge also uh

1:09:21

released another man who was arrested

1:09:24

for threatening to kill Trump.

1:09:25

>> Oh,

1:09:27

Trump derangement syndrome is real,

1:09:29

dude. It's ridiculous.

1:09:30

>> But the way this guy addressed this man,

1:09:33

it's almost as if he was condoning it.

1:09:36

Look at it. Says, "The indictment comes

1:09:37

the day after the judge overseeing the

1:09:38

case against Allen expressed grave

1:09:40

concerns about how he's being treated in

1:09:42

jail and apologized to him in court."

1:09:45

You're talking about a guy who showed up

1:09:47

with a rifle or a shotgun.

1:09:49

>> Shotgun,

1:09:49

>> shot a Secret Service agent, obviously

1:09:51

in the vest. The guy's okay. But

1:09:53

whatever you've been through, I

1:09:55

apologize for the prior week. Magistrate

1:09:58

Judge Zia Farukqui, I don't know if I'm

1:10:02

saying that right, said during a hearing

1:10:04

in Washington DC on Monday. According to

1:10:06

the court documents filed over the

1:10:07

weekend, Allan had been in solitary

1:10:09

confinement oh poor baby at the DC jail

1:10:12

after being placed on suicide watch

1:10:14

after his arrest on April 25th. His

1:10:16

lawyers said that he was housed in a

1:10:18

permanently illuminated safe cell with

1:10:21

no access to personal items or jail

1:10:23

visits despite repeated assessments

1:10:25

showing he did not exhibit any suicide

1:10:27

factors. In an order issued on Sunday,

1:10:31

uh Farooqi uh wrote that he had grave

1:10:34

concerns about the conditions Allen was

1:10:36

being kept in, which he said were

1:10:38

seemingly unprompted by the facts of the

1:10:41

case. It could drive a person crazy to

1:10:43

be in that situation. Fugly said during

1:10:45

Monday's hearing that is really crazy.

1:10:48

>> That is that is really a crazy thing to

1:10:52

apologize for someone who was trying to

1:10:56

at least assume you're you're assuming

1:10:58

he was trying to kill the president.

1:10:59

>> The guy's been programmed to do this. He

1:11:02

immediately turns,

1:11:04

you know, from one way to the other

1:11:06

overnight almost. And this is and we're

1:11:10

seeing this more and more. I think I

1:11:12

think

1:11:12

>> What do you mean the guys have been

1:11:13

programmed?

1:11:13

>> I think these people are um [snorts]

1:11:16

>> You mean like MK Ultra type programming?

1:11:18

>> 100%.

1:11:19

>> Really?

1:11:19

>> I think so. But it's a different, you

1:11:20

know, MK, you're the expert on it.

1:11:23

>> Um, not really. Well, don't say that.

1:11:25

>> Well, [laughter] no. I don't want to get

1:11:27

you bumped off.

1:11:28

>> Knows [clears throat] what about it.

1:11:30

>> Let somebody else go start your car when

1:11:31

you walk out there and wait 30 minutes.

1:11:33

>> Make me an expert.

1:11:34

>> Yeah. [laughter]

1:11:35

>> I know nothing. But you know that the

1:11:38

CIA they they were grabbing these people

1:11:40

up and giving them I guess acid or LSD

1:11:42

whatever and then programming them and

1:11:44

then then they said they weren't doing

1:11:46

it and then they got sued and they said

1:11:48

oh we we lied. We were doing it but

1:11:50

we're not doing it anymore. Now which

1:11:52

time are they not? So here's here's my

1:11:54

thought on this. I think you've got a

1:11:55

bunch of people today because of this.

1:11:57

It's just open up

1:11:59

>> open up your head and pour it in. and

1:12:01

they can put these things out to people

1:12:04

just enough to where they know that

1:12:07

there's going to be a reaction. There's

1:12:08

some people, you and I are going to read

1:12:10

this stuff and go, "Ah, you know, and

1:12:11

there's some people that are just going

1:12:12

to stay awake at night and just fume." I

1:12:14

know people that read stuff and they'll

1:12:16

call me and text me and said, "Can you

1:12:18

believe this?" And I'm like, "Dude, man,

1:12:20

I live this stuff. Cool out. We're good.

1:12:22

We're okay." And I think that these

1:12:24

folks, they know who they are and they

1:12:26

can they can target them. You know, how

1:12:28

many of these people are going to be are

1:12:30

we going to find that have no internet

1:12:32

access, have no history of being on the

1:12:35

internet, you know,

1:12:36

>> like Thomas Crooks.

1:12:37

>> Yeah. That that's just that's just total

1:12:39

BS. Total BS. Oh, we couldn't we let him

1:12:42

on the roof and you know, and and then

1:12:45

>> also they couldn't get snipers on that

1:12:46

roof because the slope was too steep.

1:12:47

>> Yeah. We had we had members of Congress

1:12:49

that are older than I I think Daryl Isa

1:12:51

was there. Um I [snorts] know um a

1:12:54

couple other guys were there, too. I

1:12:55

mean, he's an older guy. He's older than

1:12:57

me. I think he was walking around up on

1:12:58

it, you know, and and that's bogus.

1:13:01

That's totally bogus. They put Trump in

1:13:02

a bad position. And you know, that's the

1:13:05

thing. You'll never know. You'll never

1:13:06

Here's another thing we should talk

1:13:07

about. Dead men tell no tales.

1:13:09

>> There's another thing we should talk

1:13:09

about. There's a lot of people running

1:13:11

around out there saying that that first

1:13:13

Trump assassination was a setup and that

1:13:15

it was a hoax and that Trump did it to

1:13:17

try to get people to be more sympathetic

1:13:18

to him. Anybody who says that doesn't

1:13:21

know anything about guns. No. because

1:13:24

the shot was from how far was it? Was it

1:13:27

140 yards? Is that what it was, Jamie?

1:13:31

Um, there is not a person on earth that

1:13:35

could nick your ear at 140 yards

1:13:38

reliably. Not only that, but miss other

1:13:41

shots first, kill someone behind you,

1:13:44

shoot another person as well, and just

1:13:46

nick his ear. And just by the grace of

1:13:50

God, by

1:13:51

>> just sheer luck, he turns his head at

1:13:54

the right time and he catches his ear.

1:13:56

Okay. 120 to 140 m or 135 to 150 yards

1:14:00

away during the rally. Uh he was

1:14:03

positioned on top of an AGR

1:14:05

international building which provided a

1:14:07

clear line of sight to the stage. Just

1:14:09

that alone is a a tremendous failure of

1:14:11

security. the fact that they didn't

1:14:13

search and look at these buildings that

1:14:16

you don't have drones above scanning the

1:14:18

area where you have a potential line of

1:14:20

sight, a easy shot with someone with a

1:14:24

scope.

1:14:25

>> And my my buddy Eli Crane, he's a he's a

1:14:28

sniper and he said, you know, I could

1:14:30

have I could have made that shot, you

1:14:32

know, because he's a SEAL sniper and my

1:14:34

>> Oh, 100%.

1:14:35

>> My brother-in-law Cliff was a marine

1:14:36

sniper and he said, I could have

1:14:38

probably done it with steel sights, Tim.

1:14:40

Well, he did. Did Did the man have steel

1:14:41

sights or did he

1:14:42

>> Yeah, he did have steel sights. He had

1:14:43

>> So, he didn't have a scope.

1:14:45

>> Uhuh. And the thing to me is that he um

1:14:48

he [snorts] got up there and people were

1:14:49

pointing at him. It was just a complete

1:14:51

Is it a breakdown? You think is it a

1:14:54

breakdown? It's a breakdown. If I if if

1:14:57

Tim Burchett sneaks into the back of a a

1:14:59

Leonard Skard concert and gets close to

1:15:01

the stage, that's a breakdown. That to

1:15:04

me is a complete capitulation. They put

1:15:06

Trump out there and there's people that

1:15:08

don't like him. You can say what you

1:15:09

want to about programming and things. I

1:15:12

just think it's it's it's out there. I

1:15:14

think it is a reality and I think we

1:15:16

better people better wake up because

1:15:18

there Washington DC is not a um

1:15:21

everybody wants to call it a swamp.

1:15:22

>> Okay. So, it does have a it does have a

1:15:24

scope.

1:15:25

>> It does have a scope.

1:15:26

>> Yeah, that's a red dot.

1:15:27

>> Okay.

1:15:28

>> I mean, I don't know if it's magnified.

1:15:30

It says optics attached to rail AEMS uh

1:15:34

optics.

1:15:35

[snorts] So, I don't know. I'd have to

1:15:38

talk to some of my guys out front about

1:15:40

like what kind of a what kind of a sight

1:15:42

that is, what kind of optics that is.

1:15:44

>> I don't know if it's magnified or if

1:15:45

it's like pistol optics. But either way,

1:15:49

even if it's just if he's prone and he's

1:15:52

got a rifle and it says uh yeah, check

1:15:55

it out, Jamie. [clears throat]

1:15:58

>> I think that's just the um the setup,

1:16:01

though. I don't think that's actually

1:16:03

the uh I think AMS optics AEMS optics is

1:16:08

[snorts]

1:16:09

>> the optics

1:16:11

>> right modeled modified with a

1:16:14

collapsible stock

1:16:16

>> red dot site.

1:16:17

>> Yeah. So it's a red dot. I don't know if

1:16:19

that's magnified. I don't think that's

1:16:21

magnified. I think

1:16:22

>> Yeah.

1:16:22

>> I think that's just like what you get on

1:16:24

a pistol. It just makes it a little bit

1:16:26

more accurate. You know, I'd seen

1:16:27

pictures of him just walking across an

1:16:29

area and you could tell he was carrying

1:16:30

something that was fairly long.

1:16:32

>> Well, not only that, he was walking

1:16:33

around the site with a rangefinder.

1:16:36

>> Yeah. Oh, and he playing golf.

1:16:37

>> He'd earlier put a drone up, I think.

1:16:39

Yeah. So,

1:16:40

>> if you're not playing golf and you have

1:16:41

a rangefinder, you're trying to shoot

1:16:43

something. That's it. That's the only

1:16:44

two reasons to use a rangefinder. You're

1:16:46

playing golf, you're doing archery, or

1:16:48

you're trying to shoot something with a

1:16:50

rifle, [snorts]

1:16:51

>> you know,

1:16:52

>> no other thing. But these guys just keep

1:16:54

doing this. And I and I know I think

1:16:56

we're going to have a hearing on that.

1:16:57

Not on that particular case, but just on

1:17:00

what the CIA is doing and and how they

1:17:02

could do that today.

1:17:04

>> Well, they most certainly can do that

1:17:05

today if they could do that in the

1:17:06

1960s. There's a fantastic book called

1:17:09

Chaos by Tom O'Neal. It's all about the

1:17:11

Manson family. Have you ever read it?

1:17:12

>> I've seen it. I haven't read it.

1:17:14

>> It's phenomenal and it's mindblowing.

1:17:17

You you read it and you and it all

1:17:18

documents Jolly West and the MK Ultra

1:17:22

program and what they did with Jack Ruby

1:17:24

and they visited Jack Ruby after he shot

1:17:26

Lee Harvey Oswald and Jack Ruby went

1:17:28

insane and had a complete psychotic

1:17:30

breakdown and said they're lighting Jews

1:17:32

on fire and he was like going nuts and

1:17:34

was sane before Ruby vis visited him.

1:17:37

This guy was known to be using LSD on

1:17:40

people, unknowing people. They uh they

1:17:42

ran Operation Midnight Climax, which is

1:17:45

where the CIA actually ran brothel. They

1:17:48

had two-way mirrors and they had these

1:17:50

uh supposed prostitutes give these

1:17:52

John's alcohol that had LSD in it and

1:17:55

then they'd monitor them. They were they

1:17:57

were doing that with people,

1:17:58

unsuspecting people, dosing them up,

1:18:00

trying to figure out how and what

1:18:02

techniques they could use to manipulate

1:18:04

people and to get people to do things

1:18:05

they wanted them to do. That's what the

1:18:07

whole Manson family was all about. And

1:18:09

what the Manson family that what those

1:18:11

killings did, the Tate Labianca murders,

1:18:13

what they did was they turned people

1:18:16

against hippies. Like people had this

1:18:18

idea of hippies being peace and love and

1:18:20

like oh it's a new world and everyone's

1:18:22

just going to do acid and hug each other

1:18:24

and trap out of society.

1:18:26

>> Then it was all a sudden it became no,

1:18:28

they're psychotic killers and they're

1:18:29

demonic and you know and this is what we

1:18:32

have to think about. We need to ban all

1:18:33

these drugs. And that's what they did.

1:18:35

And it's kind of fascinating that they

1:18:37

were able to do that and do that for so

1:18:39

long. And if it wasn't for the Freedom

1:18:41

of Information Act request and if it

1:18:43

wasn't for finding those documents that

1:18:45

they found that were just in storage,

1:18:47

>> right,

1:18:47

>> that detailed all this, we wouldn't have

1:18:49

any knowledge of this stuff.

1:18:50

>> Most that stuff disappears. You know,

1:18:52

>> I'm sure there's a bunch of stuff that

1:18:53

we have. I think this is just the tip of

1:18:55

the iceberg. There's probably a ton of

1:18:57

those things that have gone on that they

1:18:59

successfully hid and they got sloppy

1:19:02

with this. And Johnny West seems like he

1:19:03

was a completely insane person. And you

1:19:05

know, how could you not be if you were

1:19:06

like running around dosing people with

1:19:08

acid up with acid? Yeah.

1:19:09

>> Running fake whouses. I mean, it's nuts.

1:19:12

The whole story is nuts. But the idea

1:19:14

that they go, "Hey, we shouldn't do that

1:19:16

anymore."

1:19:17

>> No.

1:19:17

>> Even though it was successful, that that

1:19:19

doesn't track that doesn't track with

1:19:21

how anything works.

1:19:23

>> That doesn't track with human nature.

1:19:24

Doesn't track with how the government

1:19:26

works. The idea that they don't have

1:19:28

people right now. And also how many

1:19:31

people are voluntarily on psychiatric

1:19:34

medication that alters them and then

1:19:36

without any sort of formal program like

1:19:39

MK Ultra just using bots just using AI

1:19:44

just using people's algorithm to turn

1:19:47

them radicalize them in certain ways.

1:19:50

Like of course they're going to do that.

1:19:52

Of course they're going to try to figure

1:19:54

out what they can do what they can't how

1:19:56

they can shift narratives in one

1:19:57

direction or another. I [snorts] mean,

1:19:59

that's what they do.

1:20:00

>> And Trump's a a threat to their machine.

1:20:03

I don't I don't ever think we'll ever

1:20:05

find the answer to it. I don't think

1:20:06

we'll ever somebody's going to come

1:20:07

forward. And

1:20:09

>> maybe in in our lifetime they might, but

1:20:11

by then everybody will be gone again.

1:20:14

>> Where's the toxicology examination on

1:20:16

Thomas Krooks? Let me find out what he

1:20:18

was on.

1:20:18

>> Wait a minute. They cremated him.

1:20:19

>> Yeah, they cremated him really quickly.

1:20:21

Not only that, like why was his place

1:20:24

professionally scrubbed? He didn't even

1:20:26

have silverware in his house. He had no

1:20:28

computers. He had no social process, no

1:20:32

internet footprint at all. And then they

1:20:34

found stuff that led him to believe that

1:20:37

maybe he had international accounts, but

1:20:38

he doesn't have, you know, just just

1:20:40

constant constant. And it just happens

1:20:43

over over every course, every time.

1:20:45

>> Not only that, but they documented

1:20:47

metadata that tracks specific phones

1:20:50

from the Virginia area out near where

1:20:52

the FBI area is to his home multiple

1:20:56

times. Why? He's a kid. He's just a a

1:20:59

young weirdo kid and someone's visiting

1:21:02

him.

1:21:03

>> His over and over again.

1:21:04

>> His parents were allegedly counselors, I

1:21:06

think. And and that makes the whole

1:21:08

thing even that much more mysterious.

1:21:10

[gasps and sighs]

1:21:11

>> It's all weird. And we don't have any

1:21:13

answers and no one's asking questions.

1:21:14

It's like bye-bye, went away.

1:21:16

>> You ask the questions, you're still not

1:21:18

going to get the answers,

1:21:19

>> right? I mean, that will be one of those

1:21:20

things that 30, 40 years from now,

1:21:22

people are going to be reading books

1:21:23

about going what the hell was going on.

1:21:25

It's like the Kennedy assassination. You

1:21:27

know, in the Kennedy assassination, we

1:21:28

had a a committee meeting on that and

1:21:30

[snorts] I asked a question from this

1:21:32

doctor who was in the

1:21:34

>> um in the emergency room. He brought

1:21:35

Kennedy in and he he clearly he brought

1:21:37

he brought a poster in to show that

1:21:40

clearly that the bullets had come from

1:21:43

two different directions and that was

1:21:45

and so it had to be two bullets. It

1:21:47

couldn't have been a a very quick

1:21:48

ricochet. Yeah. obviously and um the

1:21:51

whole thing, you know, and no press,

1:21:54

nobody covered it, nothing. To me, that

1:21:56

was blockbuster news. I thought that

1:21:58

would have been But again, the big boys

1:22:01

didn't see fit to put that out and that

1:22:03

and there we are.

1:22:04

>> Well, just the magic bullet theory

1:22:05

alone, like, shut up. That bullet's

1:22:08

>> Well, that gun is uh called a Manlaker

1:22:10

carbine. It was I got one actually. It's

1:22:13

a I think it's 7.62 Italian. It's called

1:22:16

the only gun that never won a war. You

1:22:19

could have gone to a Western Auto and

1:22:20

bought an M1 with scopes on it and made

1:22:23

a much better shot than that thing. I

1:22:24

mean, the whole thing just stinks. And

1:22:26

the gun they show holding up and the gun

1:22:28

that they had later, you know, the whole

1:22:30

thing is just screwy. Screwy. And

1:22:32

because we didn't ask questions back

1:22:34

then.

1:22:34

>> Yeah. Well, no one had information. So,

1:22:36

what questions could you even ask? And

1:22:38

there's a great book on it called Best

1:22:40

Evidence by David Lifton. And he was an

1:22:43

accountant that was hired to go over the

1:22:45

Warren Commission report. and he started

1:22:47

finding all these inconsistencies and

1:22:49

contradictions in the Warren Commission

1:22:51

report. And so then he wrote this book

1:22:53

on all the different things that are

1:22:55

wrong with the Kennedy assassination and

1:22:56

all the different things that we've been

1:22:58

told that couldn't possibly be true. And

1:23:00

it's very disturbing, including how many

1:23:02

people that were witnesses that died.

1:23:04

witnesses at the scene in, you know, in

1:23:07

Dallas that died from weird

1:23:09

circumstances. And the odds of those

1:23:10

people dying, car accident, suicide,

1:23:13

murder, robbery, all it's just too

1:23:16

strange.

1:23:16

>> And people they can't find anymore that

1:23:18

were in those pictures,

1:23:19

>> you know, square.

1:23:21

>> They cleaned up a lot of the loose ends

1:23:23

>> quick.

1:23:24

>> Yeah.

1:23:24

>> But back then, you know, again, you

1:23:26

couldn't ask the questions. You didn't

1:23:27

have the internet. And now it's

1:23:29

>> But that I think

1:23:30

>> but nobody's even talking about it. You

1:23:32

can't get anybody to bring up anything

1:23:33

on Trump getting shot or other than they

1:23:37

put out it's a fake. You know, it's his

1:23:40

ear healed itself and all this stuff. I

1:23:42

you know,

1:23:42

>> listen, his ear was clearly bleeding. He

1:23:44

got shot in the ear. You can see the

1:23:46

blood come out right away. It's dripping

1:23:48

down the side of his face. And the the

1:23:50

idea that that's a setup, you cannot be

1:23:52

that accurate. You definitely can't be

1:23:54

that accurate with a red dot at 140

1:23:55

yards. You can hit him. You could

1:23:57

definitely hit him center mass, no

1:23:59

problem. Maybe even you hit him in the

1:24:01

head if you're really good and you're

1:24:02

prone. But the nicking his ear like that

1:24:04

on purpose and to be there and say,

1:24:06

"Hey, I just want you to nick my ear

1:24:08

just a little piece like that's there's

1:24:10

no off the top. There's not a chance

1:24:12

that that's a fake." And the guy behind

1:24:14

him's dead. So what are you saying? You

1:24:16

think that's fake? That's a setup.

1:24:17

>> Yeah. The fireman lost his life.

1:24:19

>> Yeah. That's crazy. The whole thing's

1:24:21

crazy. But it's just this thing where

1:24:24

people hate him so much and the

1:24:26

narrative in the media, this Trump

1:24:28

derangement narrative that you see in

1:24:29

the media is so strong and people are so

1:24:32

programmed by it. And

1:24:33

>> for the average person that has a a very

1:24:36

involved job, you're working all day and

1:24:39

then you have a family and you have a

1:24:40

life and you have been you don't have

1:24:42

time to really go into depth about

1:24:44

what's real and what's not real. And you

1:24:46

got that Russia collusion stuff shoved

1:24:48

down your throat by mainstream media for

1:24:50

years and you believe all of it

1:24:52

>> 100%.

1:24:52

>> And so you really believed he's a

1:24:55

terrible person, Russian agent, all

1:24:56

these different. So you want someone to

1:24:58

kill him.

1:24:59

>> Yeah. There's there's a group of folks,

1:25:01

young folks that are starting to ask

1:25:02

some questions. Yes.

1:25:03

>> You [clears throat] know, my wife's son

1:25:05

Tyler um he lives on the farm there with

1:25:08

us and he um he's been asking me

1:25:11

inquisitive questions because because of

1:25:14

he doesn't buy it. And a lot of those

1:25:15

kids in that generation, I'm glad. I

1:25:17

don't know if it's the Charlie Kirk

1:25:18

effect. I don't know what that is.

1:25:19

>> That has a that's a has a definitely

1:25:21

effect on it because a lot of people

1:25:22

don't buy that story either. No. But

1:25:24

it's also the internet. The internet has

1:25:25

there's enough independent reporters out

1:25:27

there that are untied independent

1:25:30

journalists that are untied to any

1:25:31

organization that has a narrative

1:25:33

they're supposed to push and they're

1:25:35

uncovering real information. That's

1:25:37

screwy,

1:25:37

>> right?

1:25:38

>> It doesn't make any sense. Well, and

1:25:40

also when they do though, they get they

1:25:42

get trounced upon by the so-called

1:25:44

mainstream media, of course. And but

1:25:46

their numbers, I mean, my gosh, I read

1:25:48

somewhere the the amount of uh that the

1:25:51

amount of media or the amount of

1:25:52

information people get from the

1:25:54

mainstream media is is just it's

1:25:56

diminishing.

1:25:56

>> Well, CO sunk them. The way they handled

1:25:59

CO and the way they carried water for

1:26:01

the pharmaceutical drug industry.

1:26:02

>> Oh, And Fouchy

1:26:04

>> and the Yeah. Fouchy. And now he's going

1:26:06

to walk.

1:26:06

>> Is he going to walk? because there's

1:26:07

some talk about him possibly being set

1:26:09

up for perjury, but there's only a week

1:26:11

to go.

1:26:11

>> Yeah, there's a week to go. I just don't

1:26:13

He'll get a stern letter from somebody

1:26:15

in Washington.

1:26:16

>> Oh,

1:26:16

>> that drives me crazy, man. I saw, you

1:26:18

know, the big boys, you go down to the

1:26:20

the big hardware chain and they were

1:26:23

allowing people to go in, but they

1:26:24

closed down the little local ones and

1:26:26

they closed the churches and the

1:26:27

synagogues and everybody down

1:26:29

>> and then we just all got in line. They

1:26:31

just rang the bell and we're like

1:26:32

Pavlov's dog and we just all got in

1:26:34

line. And I remember at my hospital in

1:26:35

Knoxville, one of them, I came out there

1:26:37

and, you know, to get tested. I got

1:26:39

tested. I can't tell how many times I

1:26:41

got tested. I never tested positive.

1:26:43

I've never took the vaccine or any of

1:26:44

that. But I can remember coming out

1:26:45

there and they had these um morgs they

1:26:48

were setting up just in anticipation of

1:26:51

of what And I just [snorts] thought,

1:26:53

man, this is if this doesn't work out,

1:26:55

this is the ultimate scop because people

1:26:57

are going to get rich off this crazy

1:26:59

thing. And they did. You know, we um

1:27:01

>> greatest transfer of wealth.

1:27:02

>> Unbelievably. Unbelievably. Yeah. And

1:27:05

Congress just did it. We just did it and

1:27:07

didn't ask any questions.

1:27:08

>> Well, it seems like there's a real

1:27:09

pandemic right now on this cruise ship.

1:27:11

You know, about that henta virus. Yeah.

1:27:13

That seems really crazy.

1:27:14

>> And and ticks. Watch that thing.

1:27:17

>> The tick thing is nuts. Yeah. Especially

1:27:19

>> because of meat, because of gates.

1:27:20

>> Uhhuh. Um,

1:27:21

>> well, there's boxes people are finding,

1:27:24

and I don't know if this is true because

1:27:25

I've seen many reports on it, but I'm

1:27:27

just going to say what I saw, that

1:27:28

farmers and ranchers are finding boxes

1:27:31

of ticks on their property. Now, I don't

1:27:34

know if that's fake. I don't know if

1:27:36

someone's setting that up to pretend

1:27:38

they found these boxes of ticks, but

1:27:40

there's videos of these people finding

1:27:43

boxes of ticks. Now, what they'll say is

1:27:45

they'll probably say they're sterile

1:27:47

ticks and that we're planting them out

1:27:49

there so we can diminish the population

1:27:51

is what they'll say. But anytime they

1:27:53

try to mess with the balance of nature,

1:27:55

it never goes right.

1:27:56

>> Is that what they're saying? This is

1:27:58

getting ready. That's I'm getting You're

1:28:00

getting it right here.

1:28:01

>> I don't believe you have a right to go

1:28:03

to someone's property and drop off

1:28:05

sterile ticks.

1:28:06

>> No way in hell.

1:28:07

>> That's crazy either way. But I have a

1:28:09

good friend of mine who got bit by the

1:28:12

Lonear tick and has that alpha gal

1:28:14

problem.

1:28:14

>> Yeah. A kid, a guy came out my house

1:28:16

yesterday looking at putting gutters up

1:28:17

at our house and dad got me. He said and

1:28:19

I said, "You did what?" He goes, "Yeah,

1:28:21

I can't eat anything any meat produced

1:28:23

by a mammal."

1:28:24

>> Yes.

1:28:24

>> I was like,

1:28:25

>> "Yeah." So my buddy, he had it and my

1:28:29

friend Evan, so he he had it for a

1:28:31

little while and then he did a bunch of

1:28:33

treatments and got off of it and then

1:28:35

started eating steak again and he was

1:28:37

fine for about a year and a half and

1:28:39

then it came back stronger than ever and

1:28:41

he just can't shake it around.

1:28:44

>> Oh yeah. He can only eat eggs. I mean,

1:28:46

he's basically eating eggs and

1:28:47

vegetables. That's all he's eating. And

1:28:48

every time he tries to deviate, he has a

1:28:50

horrible reaction. It it makes for

1:28:52

people that don't know, it makes your

1:28:53

body allergic to red meat,

1:28:55

>> right? And who has got genetically made

1:28:58

meat now?

1:28:58

>> Yeah. Bill Gates.

1:28:59

>> Bill Gates.

1:29:00

>> Yeah. Well, they're doing things with

1:29:01

mosquitoes and they're doing they're

1:29:03

they're messing around with nature in a

1:29:05

way that no one's giving you permission

1:29:07

to. The general public does not want you

1:29:09

doing this. If they could vote on it,

1:29:10

they'd say, "No way. You You can't."

1:29:12

>> It's like those those beagles that they

1:29:14

show that Fouchy uh I grew up with

1:29:16

beagles. Sport number one, sport number

1:29:18

two. dogs. They are the best dogs ever.

1:29:21

And um my Buzz was um he's cavalier mix,

1:29:25

but he was we think I'm not really sure,

1:29:27

but he was a rescue dog. And that poor

1:29:29

thing had never been on grass. And I see

1:29:31

those dogs acting just like poor Buzz.

1:29:33

He couldn't climb stairs and he was

1:29:36

mistreated. He can't hear very well. And

1:29:38

um he's the sweetest dad gum dog though.

1:29:40

And those freaking beagles. I just that

1:29:43

rips my heart out because there's right

1:29:45

now I've talked to the scientists in the

1:29:46

labs and there's everything we can do

1:29:48

now we can do in the lab without pretty

1:29:51

much without

1:29:52

>> without cruelty

1:29:52

>> without cruelty without

1:29:54

>> you know bringing in beagles and why

1:29:56

beagles the whole thing just stinks

1:29:59

disgusting

1:29:59

>> it's very evil I mean look I don't even

1:30:01

like it when they do it with rats

1:30:03

>> but doing it with puppies is insane and

1:30:06

then euthanizing them after you've

1:30:08

forced them to be

1:30:10

it's horrible Yeah, he did some evil

1:30:13

stuff. He's And he lied like clearly

1:30:16

lied. Lied to the American people about

1:30:17

transmission. Lied to the American

1:30:19

people about preventing infection.

1:30:21

>> I can remember when they brought him to

1:30:23

Congress

1:30:23

>> and um brought him into a meeting I was

1:30:26

in and I was in the back and he's a

1:30:27

little short guy and I was like, "Who

1:30:28

the heck is that?" He said, "That's

1:30:30

Fouchy." And they brought him in and

1:30:32

everybody started cheering. I thought I

1:30:34

thought I thought I had a bad vibe on

1:30:36

him then. And then um he talked to gay

1:30:39

folks, you know, he was involved in the

1:30:40

>> the a DT.

1:30:42

>> Yeah.

1:30:42

>> And u they they got a bad feeling

1:30:45

towards him.

1:30:46

>> Sure. I mean he's the culprit. He's the

1:30:48

villain in that movie, The Dallas Buyers

1:30:50

Club.

1:30:51

>> That's about him preventing people from

1:30:52

taking alternative medications. That

1:30:54

sound familiar?

1:30:55

>> Yeah. Exactly what they did during Right

1:30:57

now we're doing it. I was um I was in

1:30:59

Blunt County yesterday for a police

1:31:02

officer's memorial service and an

1:31:03

officer came up and said, you know, my

1:31:05

my child is suffers from a rare disease

1:31:08

and and we can't get to this treatment

1:31:10

and can you can you put a bug in the

1:31:13

present? I sure you know, we'll try. But

1:31:15

and Trump's doing that a lot now with

1:31:18

and RFK Yeah. RFK Jr. people they

1:31:21

they'll try to trash him and that's

1:31:22

fine. He's a tough guy. But um he um a

1:31:27

lot of those trials now are going

1:31:29

forward. Cancer and other things and and

1:31:31

that's another reason they don't like

1:31:33

Trump. Man, you talk about I mean you

1:31:35

got big pharma, you got big agriculture

1:31:38

and um

1:31:40

>> you and a couple others and they they

1:31:42

run the they run the table, Joe. They

1:31:44

run the table and they I told somebody,

1:31:47

you know, and of course big energy oil,

1:31:50

you know, we get zero. I know it's a

1:31:52

commodity and I'm going to get lit up

1:31:55

that oil's a commodity and it, you know,

1:31:57

the world market, but we get zero oil

1:32:00

from Iran. Zero. We we export oil right

1:32:04

now and yet the price is going through

1:32:06

the roof. It's going through the roof

1:32:07

because it can. They can. And I always

1:32:10

say, well, how does that gasoline in the

1:32:13

pumps go up that's been in the they've

1:32:16

already been processed, already been

1:32:17

paid for. How does it go up

1:32:19

exponentially just overnight? 20 cents a

1:32:21

gallon or whatever. And how does that

1:32:23

and and if that's because it's a

1:32:25

commodity and birch that you don't

1:32:26

understand, how come that quart of oil

1:32:29

that you at the hardware store doesn't

1:32:31

go up like that? Wouldn't it it's

1:32:33

processed oil. Wouldn't it do the same?

1:32:35

And of course diesel. It's your first

1:32:39

cut I think is kerosene. Then it's

1:32:41

diesel. And diesel and I've got a diesel

1:32:43

dy. I filled it up yesterday is over

1:32:46

$100. You know, it is the cheapest. It

1:32:48

is the roughest cut. You know, that's

1:32:50

why you have these credible filters

1:32:53

because it's dirty and gasoline is the

1:32:56

third or fourth cut and it ought to be

1:32:58

the most expensive, but it's not. I just

1:33:01

think it's a racket. And every time they

1:33:03

they'll hold the hearings and they'll

1:33:05

come down there and and you know, and

1:33:08

the oil companies will, you know,

1:33:10

they'll shake that money tree. They know

1:33:12

how to do it on both sides of the aisle.

1:33:13

>> It happens all the time. I remember when

1:33:15

Bush was leaving office before Obama

1:33:17

took office where gasoline just went

1:33:20

through the through the roof. The p

1:33:22

everybody was freaking out and no one

1:33:24

could explain it

1:33:25

>> and it was just I was like look they can

1:33:27

this is like the last chance they can to

1:33:30

just jack up the prices, jack up the

1:33:31

profits, hold everybody hostage. You

1:33:33

have to get gas. You got to drive to

1:33:35

work.

1:33:35

>> Got an oil man in the White House.

1:33:36

>> Yeah. And they just jacked it up.

1:33:39

>> It's payoff time. I just uh

1:33:41

>> and is and you know and I'm a

1:33:43

capitalist. I'm a heartless capitalist.

1:33:45

I make skateboards. Um, and

1:33:47

>> you make skateboards?

1:33:48

>> Yeah. Yeah. It's cheaper than a

1:33:49

psychiatrist.

1:33:51

[laughter]

1:33:52

I go I guess I'm a little bit like

1:33:53

Trump. I like ketchup on my steak.

1:33:55

Although I think he gets his well done.

1:33:56

I get mine medium rare. But um

1:33:58

>> you put ketchup on your steak. You

1:34:00

should go to jail.

1:34:00

>> Does the Baptist church got a bus?

1:34:02

Terrible.

1:34:02

>> Yes, they do. And yes, I do. Terrible.

1:34:04

Any No, I make skateboards. So, I make

1:34:06

this crazy skateboard for um for um

1:34:08

[snorts] Tulsi Gabbard. She's a buddy of

1:34:10

mine. She's She's She's kind of a

1:34:12

>> I love her.

1:34:13

>> I love her, too. She is wonderful. And

1:34:15

she's from Hawaii. So, in Trump's first

1:34:17

Oh, that's

1:34:18

>> There it is. Okay. I made that

1:34:19

skateboard.

1:34:20

>> Bigfoot skateboard.

1:34:21

>> Yeah. I put my sticker on it. It's made

1:34:22

out of bamboo, oak, and banana fibers

1:34:25

off the banana plant.

1:34:26

>> Oh, wow.

1:34:27

>> And um and she she outs me during the um

1:34:30

Trump's first. There's my guys at Pluto

1:34:33

Sports. They put my wheels and trucks

1:34:34

on. It's just a they're guys I was in

1:34:36

high school with. Um but anyway,

1:34:38

>> skate.

1:34:39

>> Yeah. Oh, yeah. But I don't do the fancy

1:34:41

stuff. I just do tricks.

1:34:42

>> And not anymore. I'm 61, dude. I don't

1:34:44

heal like I did when I was 51, much less

1:34:46

when I was a young man.

1:34:47

>> You're only a few years older than me.

1:34:49

>> Well, you look good.

1:34:51

>> Thank you.

1:34:51

>> Sorry, man. I'm just, you know, people

1:34:53

think I'm on steroids, but I'm naturally

1:34:54

this huge. But [laughter]

1:34:56

so, so she Tulsy says, "Purch it." I

1:34:59

said, "Hey, Tulsy." She says, and she's

1:35:01

walking in here to the State of the

1:35:02

Union, cameras, people are in. Where's

1:35:04

my dad gum skateboard? My birthday's

1:35:06

next month. I'm like, "Oh, crap." So I

1:35:08

make her this skateboard, right? And

1:35:10

that picture comes out and I mean people

1:35:12

all over the world are saying, "Where

1:35:13

can I get a birchet board? Where can I

1:35:15

get a birchet board?" So I'm Mr., you

1:35:18

know, I'm trying to be ethical and you

1:35:20

know, and uh I I go down to see the

1:35:23

ethics guy and this little attorney

1:35:25

tells me, he says, "Well, Congressman,

1:35:26

you know, you got to you can't do that.

1:35:28

You can't call it a Burchet board. You

1:35:30

can't you know." I said, "Well, my

1:35:31

wife's got to own the company." And they

1:35:33

think, "Well, maybe." And then you but

1:35:36

you can't work there and all this other

1:35:38

stuff. And you know everybody down

1:35:39

there's got a side hustle, right? And

1:35:41

I've said, "Dude, so you're telling me I

1:35:43

can do insider stock trading, but I

1:35:45

can't sell a dad gum skateboard." And

1:35:47

the guy said, "That's correct." So

1:35:49

anyway, I got about 35 skateboards in my

1:35:52

barn. I just keep making them. And I

1:35:54

call my attorney.

1:35:55

>> You make them yourself?

1:35:56

>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's why I say it's

1:35:57

cheaper than a psychiatrist.

1:35:58

>> So you make them by hand?

1:35:59

>> Yeah, absolutely. You know, I have um

1:36:02

>> That's pretty cool.

1:36:03

>> I make them. I'm cheap, but so I make

1:36:05

them out of uh bamboo that I cut. Uh

1:36:08

buddy of mine, Chris Pointer's got a

1:36:10

bunch at his house, but I I go to the

1:36:11

synagogue behind the synagogue on

1:36:13

Kingston Pike. There's a bunch of

1:36:14

bamboo, and they used to let me cut it.

1:36:15

Now, when this airs, they probably

1:36:16

won't, but um [laughter] and then I I

1:36:19

get oak pallets and um and banana

1:36:22

fibers. They grow off the banana plant.

1:36:24

So, but anyway, I grow.

1:36:25

>> Did you laminate it all?

1:36:26

>> Yeah. Well, I used fiberglass with that

1:36:28

and I'm trying to get away from the

1:36:30

carcinogens, you know, the cancer

1:36:32

causing. So, um, I use a Titebond 3

1:36:34

glue. It's waterproof and water-based.

1:36:37

And then, um, and then I just sand them

1:36:38

all down and cuz, you know, you scuff

1:36:40

them up after you ride them around.

1:36:42

Anyway, so anyway, so I make them out of

1:36:45

that and I laminate the wood and, um, my

1:36:47

local the steel laborers, um, they

1:36:50

needed a project one year when I was

1:36:51

mayor of Knox County and I and somebody

1:36:54

said, "Hey, they want to these guys want

1:36:56

to make a a skateboard press." They

1:36:58

said, "Do you want one?" I said, "Yeah,

1:36:59

I'll buy the metal." And I'm thinking,

1:37:01

you know, they're going to build me this

1:37:02

little thing. No, I mean, it's like

1:37:04

three burly union metal workers have to

1:37:07

put this thing in the back of my dad gum

1:37:09

pickup truck. It is a monster. And it um

1:37:11

and I can press them, but um and I've

1:37:14

got clamps and I do all of it. But

1:37:16

anyway,

1:37:16

>> that's pretty cool.

1:37:17

>> Yeah. But but I can't but I can't sell

1:37:20

them. I got My wife's like,

1:37:22

>> "What are you doing out there?" And I

1:37:23

said, "Well, come out there and look at

1:37:24

my boards, honey. I'm making

1:37:25

skateboards." And I'm saying I And she

1:37:27

always

1:37:28

>> get you out there. That's one I That was

1:37:30

just one I laminated up, but um or it's

1:37:32

side laminated. But

1:37:34

>> my wife always says, "Honey, you go to

1:37:36

it." She says, "I'm sure they laughed at

1:37:38

the guy that created the pool noodle."

1:37:40

That's her line. Always [laughter]

1:37:42

>> probably Kelly said, "Oh, yeah. Yeah, it

1:37:44

was just a piece of insulation off some

1:37:46

old rental house and he threw it in the

1:37:47

his kids were swimming with it and he

1:37:48

thought, man, I'm going to take that 12

1:37:51

cent piece of foam, take it to Walmart

1:37:52

and sell it for $6 a piece." And now

1:37:54

he's probably sitting on some island

1:37:55

somewhere laughing at us right now. But

1:37:57

no, I make them and I've been trying to.

1:38:01

Anyway, it's very frustrating. I got a

1:38:03

meeting with the attorneys um and the

1:38:06

chairman of the ethics committee who is

1:38:07

a really good guy. He and I came to

1:38:09

Congress together and we're trying to

1:38:10

work it out. So,

1:38:12

>> it's not even that it's a lot of money

1:38:13

in handmade skateboards. Like, the fact

1:38:16

that you could have insider trading, you

1:38:17

can't sell handmade skateboards is

1:38:19

>> that's ridiculous.

1:38:20

>> A little ridiculous, isn't it?

1:38:21

>> It's also it's like what what because

1:38:24

you're famous? Because you're on

1:38:25

television like is gonna Yeah. They're

1:38:28

gonna sway my vote because they bought a

1:38:29

dad gum skateboard from me. Yeah. I I

1:38:31

took one to an auction and and um and I

1:38:34

think somebody paid $5,200 for one of

1:38:36

those decades.

1:38:37

>> Whoa.

1:38:38

>> And then some other guy comes up and

1:38:39

says, "Tim, I was at the bar and I

1:38:41

missed it. If I give them 5200, will you

1:38:43

make me one?" So, I got a couple and

1:38:45

then my friends in Clayurn County um the

1:38:48

uh the mountains up there, they um they

1:38:52

uh they chair the committee and they

1:38:53

asked me and some I thought I was making

1:38:55

one and then when I got out of there I

1:38:57

was making three. So, I don't know. And

1:38:58

then I people just like them and they

1:39:00

put them on their wall. I mean, you

1:39:02

know, you're not going to be in the

1:39:02

Olympics with Tony Hawk's not going to

1:39:04

go, "Hey, Tim Burchie, will you make me

1:39:06

a board?" You know, but it's it's just

1:39:08

for cruising down the sidewalk kind of

1:39:10

thing.

1:39:11

>> That's awesome. That's awesome. It sucks

1:39:13

that they won't let you sell it though.

1:39:14

That's

1:39:14

>> Yeah,

1:39:16

you sell your soul, but I can't sell a

1:39:18

skateboard.

1:39:19

>> Speaking of selling, um, you were

1:39:21

telling me earlier before we started,

1:39:24

and I said, "Save this because I want to

1:39:25

talk about this later."

1:39:26

>> Yeah.

1:39:26

>> That the Taliban gets how many millions

1:39:29

of dollars a week?

1:39:30

>> About $40 million a week. Um,

1:39:34

it all happened. I was on a um a

1:39:38

podcast and they were talking about it

1:39:40

and um Sean Ryan and he had he I love

1:39:44

that dude.

1:39:45

>> Yeah. Great American. I love him. He's

1:39:48

>> he's a good Christian man. He's been

1:39:49

through it. You know, he's an incredible

1:39:51

guy that they've asked to do horrible

1:39:54

things.

1:39:55

>> And people like that, I give them a wide

1:39:57

path. I let them slide on a lot of

1:39:59

things. But he's he's a good daddy and

1:40:01

and um you know he just and he he he

1:40:04

worries about our country. He reminds me

1:40:06

a lot of my dad because dad was you

1:40:07

couldn't wake my dad up um to the day he

1:40:10

died over the top of him always by his

1:40:12

big toe cuz he cuz he might wake up on

1:40:14

one of those islands and pin me against

1:40:17

the wall. His marine on Peloo and

1:40:19

Okinawa and

1:40:21

>> daddy's colonel was a guy named Chesty

1:40:22

Puller. Colonel Puller you can look him

1:40:24

up. He was a Marine Corps legend, but

1:40:26

and my daddy loved him. But um anyway,

1:40:30

the um I'm I'm on this podcast with

1:40:33

Shawn and he says, "Hey, I want you to

1:40:35

introduce Eli Crane. He's a He's a

1:40:37

excuse me, Navy Seal in Congress." He

1:40:38

said, "I want you to go on this podcast

1:40:40

with Shawn Ryan." I said, "I don't know

1:40:42

who Shawn Ryan is. I don't I'm not a

1:40:44

podcast guy. I don't My daughter always

1:40:46

give me your phone. I don't know how to

1:40:48

do it." And all of a sudden, I got a

1:40:49

cool picture of her on there. I don't

1:40:50

even know how she did it. But so I'm on

1:40:53

there and um and he calls me and says,

1:40:56

"I want you to meet with this guy." He

1:40:58

goes by the name Legend, and that's not

1:41:00

his real name, but um he um he he comes

1:41:05

up he comes into the office and he has

1:41:07

to he can't use his real name and uh and

1:41:10

says, "Look, they're getting $40 million

1:41:12

a week." I said, "Who is?" He said, "The

1:41:13

Taliban." And he's a he's a um Afghani

1:41:18

that fought for us. And so he's dual

1:41:20

citizenship introduc you know I talked

1:41:22

to the pre for last democratically

1:41:25

elected president of Afghanistan through

1:41:26

him on a on a call and um and he's a

1:41:30

dear friend and he comes by all the time

1:41:33

and we talk and and so John Stout in my

1:41:36

office who's like he's the best. I mean

1:41:39

this guy his mom and daddy were in a

1:41:41

very tragic car accident and they um

1:41:44

they prayed through it and and they both

1:41:46

lived. I mean, daddy had to get, you

1:41:48

know, his banged up and his mama's head

1:41:50

got banged up pretty bad. And John's

1:41:52

just he's he is the quintessential

1:41:55

staffer because he's so loyal and he

1:41:58

loves this country. And so he said,

1:41:59

"Boss, I think I got an idea." I said,

1:42:01

"All right." So he figured out this

1:42:03

monitoring thing where what they do is

1:42:06

they um they send they send pallets of

1:42:09

cash to them through whatever and they

1:42:12

uh there's three banks in um over there

1:42:16

that are owned by the Taliban and

1:42:18

everything goes through them. You know

1:42:20

the Lord takes 10% with tithe and but

1:42:23

the Taliban takes a hell of a lot more.

1:42:25

They take it right off the top and on

1:42:27

ingress and egress. If you give them

1:42:29

money or take money away, I mean, or if

1:42:31

you spend money or put money in or

1:42:33

whatever you take in or pay out, they

1:42:35

get their cut off of it every dadum

1:42:37

time. And so I'm thinking, this can't be

1:42:40

right. So I got a memo on my desk from

1:42:43

the State Department. It's stamped

1:42:45

classified, so I can't talk about it,

1:42:47

but then it's stamped unclassified under

1:42:49

it, so I can talk about it. And it

1:42:52

basically said under the Biden

1:42:53

administration, they think we gave them

1:42:55

$5 billion with a B5 $5 billion.

1:42:59

Now,

1:43:01

and you've got NOS's. Now, how many

1:43:03

NOS's you think operate out of over

1:43:05

there?

1:43:06

>> Oh, how many?

1:43:07

>> Over a thousand. And then you throw in

1:43:09

the United Nations and the

1:43:11

>> out of Afghanistan.

1:43:12

>> Yeah. It's just

1:43:13

>> there's a thousand NOS.

1:43:14

>> It's the freakest it's the biggest scam.

1:43:17

NOS's. I wrote a letter to the president

1:43:19

months ago and I'm they've tapped the

1:43:21

brakes on the NOS's. I mean, some of

1:43:23

them don't have any money and some of

1:43:24

them got a lot. But Elon Musk told me

1:43:28

like I really know him. I mean, I've

1:43:29

hung out with him a couple times and we

1:43:31

talked. Called me Tim, which I thought

1:43:32

was pretty cool. Um, but he says uh um

1:43:36

[snorts] he says, "Tim, here's how these

1:43:38

NOS's work." He said, "You know, they

1:43:40

start out as a good organization. maybe

1:43:42

during Bush one or Bush two, you know, a

1:43:44

lot of those limousine liberals,

1:43:45

dogooders, you know, they start these

1:43:47

organizations and they um they set them

1:43:50

up and and to do, you know, feed the

1:43:53

starving children or whatever. Well,

1:43:56

they don't have any money in them and

1:43:58

some billionaire who we could we all

1:44:00

know, you can just name them. They'll

1:44:03

drop a million in one of those and then

1:44:04

this unelected bureaucrat in Washington

1:44:06

DC says, "Hey, they got a million

1:44:08

dollars. This place is legit." And so

1:44:10

they give them money. They put the money

1:44:12

in there for them and then they start

1:44:15

running federal money through that.

1:44:17

Yours and my tax dollars. And he told me

1:44:20

he thinks they stole over a trillion

1:44:22

dollars. I thought at the time I thought

1:44:24

that was crazy. But then I start looking

1:44:26

at um uh you know what happened in

1:44:30

Minneapolis Minnesota 19 billion.

1:44:33

>> Joe, when I went to state legislature,

1:44:36

our our state budget of Tennessee wasn't

1:44:38

$19 billion as years ago. So, it's a lot

1:44:41

more than that now, but that's the the

1:44:44

amount of fraud and waste and abuse that

1:44:46

go on. Well, so back backtrack to this

1:44:49

deal. So, I get involved with it and um

1:44:53

and and it it's just unbelievable. It

1:44:56

took me two I passed the bill twice. The

1:44:59

second time my buddy John Stout in the

1:45:01

office there, he comes up with even

1:45:02

stronger version. And so, we send it to

1:45:05

the Senate. And so we find out that

1:45:08

there's a Senate staffer that

1:45:13

somebody said he's like the unofficial

1:45:15

uh ambassador to Afghanistan. He's I've

1:45:18

literally read where he said it seem

1:45:20

appears to me complimentary things about

1:45:23

the Taliban. Now those people want to

1:45:25

kill us. They'll as I like to say

1:45:27

they'll hate us for free. We don't need

1:45:28

to give them any money. Well, it's like

1:45:30

pull it's like pulling teeth through my

1:45:32

committee. the Democrats raised ruckus

1:45:35

and uh because obviously they don't want

1:45:37

anybody looking at those NOS's and the

1:45:39

NGO money now get this it maybe a little

1:45:43

bit goes to feed some starving kid but a

1:45:46

lot of it gets washed and it goes back

1:45:49

to the good old United States of

1:45:50

America. Are you familiar with dark

1:45:52

money and campaigns?

1:45:53

>> Yes. You know, you're and I'll the folks

1:45:56

back home the day before the election,

1:45:59

the the people for American justice

1:46:02

approved this ad. Did you know Tim

1:46:04

Burchett, you know, pushed his second

1:46:06

grade girlfriend down in a mud puddle

1:46:08

and never apologized? That's what

1:46:10

happened, you know, and then paid for by

1:46:12

the people for America justice, you

1:46:14

know, you know, and then but what's

1:46:16

happened is is that money that you're

1:46:18

sending over there is coming back in the

1:46:19

form of dark money. And we've got and

1:46:21

and I I think both parties are involved

1:46:23

with it at some point. I think the

1:46:26

Democrats have had the had a run of it

1:46:28

and they've they've got a they've got it

1:46:30

pretty much closed. They've got a pretty

1:46:32

good market going on it in my opinion.

1:46:34

[snorts] And there are probably some

1:46:35

Republicans I think I know of that are

1:46:37

that have some dark money too. And uh

1:46:40

not necessarily from this but from other

1:46:42

things. And then you start talking about

1:46:43

the UN. The UN has got and and everybody

1:46:46

say that's UN Burch. We don't have the

1:46:48

heck we don't. We sponsor the freaking

1:46:50

UN. If it was up to me, I'd pull out of

1:46:52

the dad ggum UN. They are nothing. All

1:46:54

they do is get Americans killed. They

1:46:57

they they talk ugly about us and then

1:46:59

they take our dad gum money and we let

1:47:00

them do it because crooked politicians

1:47:03

are in bed. Washington is crooked as a

1:47:05

dog's leg, Joe. And this and this bill

1:47:08

makes them report it and and and follow

1:47:11

the money so we know where it's going.

1:47:12

And if it's going to the pal Taliban,

1:47:15

it's out. And so can you just explain to

1:47:17

me how they would justify sending money

1:47:20

to the Taliban and what what is like

1:47:23

what is the circumstance like how do

1:47:24

they

1:47:25

>> they justify it by saying it doesn't

1:47:26

happen. They justify it by saying it

1:47:29

doesn't happen. But I'm talking to a guy

1:47:31

that's got a legend who's got people on

1:47:33

the ground and and the people over there

1:47:35

the the freedom fight are saying please

1:47:36

quit sending them money. police and you

1:47:38

know they when we left over there you

1:47:41

know we left how many billions of

1:47:43

dollars worth of of armaments on the

1:47:45

ground they said oh uh you know I mean I

1:47:48

heard Democrats saying well those people

1:47:50

can't fly those high-end choppers well

1:47:52

you know who could the dadgum Chinese

1:47:54

who were on the ground before we got out

1:47:56

of there right

1:47:57

>> so it's it's just a crooked game it's a

1:48:00

small portion I know

1:48:01

>> but explain how's the money getting to

1:48:03

them

1:48:04

>> okay it is sent to them um through these

1:48:07

NOS's and other organizations and so

1:48:10

>> so we fund the NOS's

1:48:12

>> correct

1:48:13

>> the NOS send money to the Taliban why

1:48:15

why would they do that

1:48:18

>> because they get a cut off of it they

1:48:20

don't care

1:48:21

>> okay so the Taliban gets 40 million and

1:48:24

then they send that money back

1:48:26

>> some of it comes back and some of it

1:48:28

doesn't um

1:48:30

>> but as long as they get a piece of it

1:48:31

they don't care how much the Taliban

1:48:33

gets

1:48:33

>> right it this requires a report on any

1:48:36

cash assistant programs in Afghanistan

1:48:38

and how the US keeps the Taliban from

1:48:40

assessing that. And it requires a report

1:48:42

on the Afghan fund and the Afghanistan

1:48:45

central bank. And these reports, of

1:48:47

course, would shed light on the

1:48:48

Taliban's influence over the Afghanistan

1:48:50

central bank. And you can um you can

1:48:54

research it. A lot of it is is these

1:48:55

dogooder programs, you know, oh man,

1:48:57

we're taking care of the orphans. We're

1:48:58

taking care of this. And you know good

1:48:59

and well they ain't taking care of any

1:49:01

dad gum orphans. They're stealing the

1:49:03

money to do it.

1:49:04

>> And it just infuriates me. And then I

1:49:06

hear them say, "Well, it's not

1:49:07

happening." I say, "Well, if it's not

1:49:08

happening, then dad gum it pass the

1:49:10

bill. What's it hurt?

1:49:11

>> What's it hurt?" We pass

1:49:14

worthless legislation every dad gum day.

1:49:16

And you know, and I can't get a peep. I

1:49:18

said to Thone when he came in when King

1:49:20

Charles was in which was kind of funny,

1:49:22

too. I had funny conversation. King

1:49:23

Charles,

1:49:24

>> by the way, no kings.

1:49:25

>> I'm not a king. Yeah. Yeah. What about

1:49:27

that? I was

1:49:29

What the heck? I got a picture. There's

1:49:30

a picture of me. I did a video on my ex

1:49:32

account at Tim Burchett. See, I threw

1:49:34

that plug in. But um

1:49:36

>> Central Bank of Afghanistan said it

1:49:38

received another injection of $40

1:49:39

million in cash this week. And this is

1:49:42

literally $100 bills in stacks. Is that

1:49:46

real? Is that what is that? A stock

1:49:48

photo or is that them showing a

1:49:50

photograph of the money they received?

1:49:51

Cuz I can't imagine they're sending

1:49:53

bricks of cash.

1:49:54

>> Oh yeah, absolutely. It's pallets. It's

1:49:56

called a pallet of cash.

1:49:57

>> What?

1:49:57

>> I'm reading through this explanation of

1:49:59

it from these reports. It's uh he's

1:50:01

saying exactly what these are all

1:50:02

saying, but this is a lot of

1:50:03

>> and I'm not as I'm look

1:50:05

>> explanation in here.

1:50:07

>> I got I got a mutual fund. I don't

1:50:09

understand all the money, but when I see

1:50:10

here $40 million going overseas,

1:50:13

>> but in cash too is crazy.

1:50:14

>> There's no record of it.

1:50:16

>> Take it and divvy it up and

1:50:19

>> yeah, this is it every day. The UN is

1:50:21

responsible for purchasing,

1:50:22

transporting, and transferring at least

1:50:24

$2.9 billion in US currency to

1:50:27

Afghanistan. This was from 2024, I

1:50:29

think, when this was printed. [laughter]

1:50:31

>> So that they have to find the cash on,

1:50:33

you know,

1:50:34

>> call your senator and say, "I want this

1:50:35

damn bill on the floor."

1:50:37

>> Crazy.

1:50:38

>> It's passed the committee. And it was

1:50:40

like pulling teeth. It was cuz

1:50:42

apparently I offended somebody, which

1:50:44

I'm sure I did now. But

1:50:45

>> but I don't understand why anybody

1:50:47

wouldn't recognize that giving money to

1:50:49

a an organization that hates us, a

1:50:52

fundamentalist religious organization

1:50:54

that hates,

1:50:55

>> they're not a religion. They're not a

1:50:56

religion. They're a they're a a cult or

1:51:00

um

1:51:00

>> yeah, whatever you want to call it.

1:51:01

Since it first cash shipment, UN has

1:51:03

made at least 80 purchases of cash for

1:51:07

transport to Afghanistan. 80 80

1:51:10

purchases of $40 million. The UN

1:51:12

reported reported that it began

1:51:14

purchasing and shipping cash because of

1:51:17

Afghan's bank's inability to participate

1:51:19

in international wire transfers and

1:51:21

Afghanistan's lack of domestic currency

1:51:23

circulating throughout its economy. Oh,

1:51:25

so we got to help them out. and give $40

1:51:27

million a week.

1:51:28

>> Yeah. And the starving kids are still

1:51:30

starving and the little orphans aren't

1:51:31

being taken care of and they're still

1:51:33

throwing gays off of buildings and

1:51:36

poking little girls eyes out.

1:51:37

>> Any gays left? I mean,

1:51:39

>> well, they got to be in the closet.

1:51:40

>> They are in the closet. There's a lot of

1:51:42

that. A lot of pedophilia. I have some

1:51:44

buddies that served over some horrible

1:51:46

stories.

1:51:46

>> Guys wanted to Yeah. Guy was going to

1:51:48

frag a Afghan general or something one

1:51:51

time. He told me and he he used to work

1:51:53

for me and he had he had mental issues

1:51:55

over it. Oh, it's horrible. Yeah, I've

1:51:57

heard horrible horrible stories. It's

1:51:58

just

1:51:58

>> my dad my dad wouldn't go back to

1:52:00

Okinawa because of if I can digress

1:52:02

quickly. Uh they daddy went back for the

1:52:05

50th anniversary of the invasion of

1:52:07

Peloo and he said I said you going to go

1:52:09

back to 50th because you know those

1:52:11

Marines that's not a lot of those guys

1:52:12

are left you know and they're all gone

1:52:13

now. But he said I ain't going to go

1:52:15

back to Okanawa. And he said he told me

1:52:18

this story. He said they came over this

1:52:19

hill and a corsair caught a bunch of

1:52:22

Japanese out in this field. He's called

1:52:24

dad called it a lucky strike. Dad love a

1:52:27

corser. That thing dive at over 400

1:52:28

miles an hour and just lit them up.

1:52:31

Caught them out, obliterated them and

1:52:33

they run up on them and um they had been

1:52:35

raping some of the islanders or Korean

1:52:38

girls that they they collected and um

1:52:41

and I think that messed with my dad all

1:52:43

the stuff he saw blowing caves and

1:52:45

shooting people up close and that's what

1:52:48

he said. I won't go into it because I

1:52:50

got a daughter that's gonna be watching

1:52:51

this thing, but um it was and and that's

1:52:55

that's what scarred my daddy.

1:52:58

>> You would have loved him. He was

1:53:01

my buddy uh my buddy Chris Hagerty, he

1:53:04

got a he got a Acura for Christmas when

1:53:06

it was a bright red Acura and you know

1:53:08

Acura's not made in America at the time.

1:53:11

And dad goes, "Hag," he says, and my

1:53:14

daddy was a dean at UT, dean of student

1:53:16

country. He goes, "Where's that thing

1:53:16

made?" And he goes, "I reckon it's made

1:53:19

in Japan, CB." And dad goes, "I reckon

1:53:22

you're going to be parking that thing

1:53:24

out in the street." Daddy just went back

1:53:25

in the kitchen. Hag went out and moved

1:53:27

his actor out on the street. Nobody

1:53:29

messed with my dad. He was I remember

1:53:31

the neighbor one time she comes over

1:53:33

there and said, "Somebody's in my

1:53:34

house." And I was like, "What?" And I'm

1:53:36

downstairs and I run upstairs and dad

1:53:39

runs by me with a Browning High Power. I

1:53:41

mean, he's probably 70 years old and he

1:53:43

was clearing that house. He ran in that

1:53:45

house and I remember mom was on the

1:53:46

phone. who says, "Don't shoot my

1:53:48

husband. He's in a blue powder leisure

1:53:50

suit." [laughter]

1:53:52

Oh man, he was something else. He was uh

1:53:55

Yeah, mama was something else, too. They

1:53:57

were They were They were real

1:53:59

Christians. So, they weren't bumper

1:54:00

sticker kind of Christians. People would

1:54:02

I would uh And I to this day, I don't

1:54:05

like I love the Waffle House, you know,

1:54:07

it's America's premier steakhouse. And

1:54:09

um and I go in there and um and I don't

1:54:11

I don't like eating breakfast food any

1:54:14

other time than at breakfast because I

1:54:16

can always remember as a little boy,

1:54:17

daddy would always pick up somebody on

1:54:18

the interstate, somebody broke down,

1:54:20

black folks, white folks, you know,

1:54:22

anybody and um or some UT student that

1:54:25

was having a little rough go and bring

1:54:27

them to the house and there wouldn't be

1:54:28

enough hamburgers for me, my brother,

1:54:30

sister, and I, you know, the five of us.

1:54:32

And but mama could make enough

1:54:34

breakfast. And I always knew that daddy

1:54:36

had brought somebody home and we were

1:54:38

going to be eating breakfast. We were

1:54:39

gonna be eating breakfast for supper.

1:54:40

And that always ticked me off as a kid.

1:54:42

You know, I didn't understand at the

1:54:44

time, but now I realize I had pretty

1:54:46

cool parents. So

1:54:47

>> that's awesome.

1:54:48

>> Can I show you a cool picture of my

1:54:49

mama?

1:54:50

>> Sure.

1:54:50

>> She flew an airplane during the Second

1:54:52

World War. She was um I was hanging out

1:54:55

with Kid Rock one time, and I'm going to

1:54:56

use a little language here, Bobby. And

1:54:59

um and I said, "I know your your thing

1:55:01

is you're the American badass." I said,

1:55:03

"But I was raised by the American

1:55:04

badasses." And I got pictures dad on

1:55:06

Peloo and Okinawa and with his Thompson

1:55:08

submachine gun stuff. Here's my mama.

1:55:10

Somebody colorizes. She's just a little

1:55:12

country girl.

1:55:13

>> Wow.

1:55:14

>> And flying an airplane during the

1:55:15

second. Her brother Roy who was 33 years

1:55:17

old got killed in the hedge.

1:55:19

>> Wow.

1:55:20

>> She's a beautiful woman. They colorized

1:55:21

that.

1:55:22

>> Crazy.

1:55:23

>> And I'm an unrepentant mama's boy.

1:55:25

>> That's a crazy picture.

1:55:27

>> Yeah, that's crazy. She got her foot up

1:55:28

and I've got a picture of my daughter.

1:55:30

We were at the air show and the guy had

1:55:31

a biplane over there and he wasn't going

1:55:33

to There it is. There it is. That's the

1:55:34

Oh, thank you, Jamie. You're the man.

1:55:36

But that's in Nashville. And somebody it

1:55:39

was National Women's Aviators Day and

1:55:42

everybody's showing all these pictures

1:55:43

of these women and I I said, "Well, I'm

1:55:45

going to have to one up y'all." And I I

1:55:47

put that up there and somebody sent it

1:55:49

to me. I didn't know, just a supporter,

1:55:50

not even in my district. And they

1:55:51

colorized it for me. Wow. And so I was

1:55:54

uh you know and that company that I

1:55:57

can't read the name off of all the

1:55:58

parachute but I think they're still in

1:56:00

business and but anyway that was in

1:56:02

Nashville. You can see they're on dirt

1:56:04

and um and the the crazy thing was when

1:56:07

she qualified I don't know how long how

1:56:08

many how long you got to fly with an

1:56:10

instructor before you solo. Well, they

1:56:12

messed up and they did it in half they

1:56:14

they did the math wrong on it, which was

1:56:17

crazy because mama was a math teacher,

1:56:18

but she was a country girl and she she

1:56:20

was she's in it for the fight and she's

1:56:22

a lot like my wife. My wife is a

1:56:24

fighter, too. She um you don't get

1:56:27

between her, anybody in her family, but

1:56:29

but um mama um they uh she soloed in

1:56:33

half the time that she was supposed to.

1:56:35

And you know, the war's going on and and

1:56:37

they I've still got her little log book

1:56:40

and um and they tried to redo the math

1:56:42

on it and it was wrong. But you know,

1:56:44

mama just daddy said, "Yeah, I bet she

1:56:46

cleared out a fence row when she

1:56:47

landed." And then uh no, she was pretty

1:56:50

cool.

1:56:51

>> It's got to be an a terrible slap in the

1:56:54

face of these people that served in

1:56:56

Afghanistan to find out that the

1:56:58

Taliban's getting

1:56:58

>> my buddy Eli Crane. I just look over at

1:57:00

him and he's one beautiful human being.

1:57:04

I love Eli Crane. He is my buddy and um

1:57:08

um lone survivor. Um

1:57:11

>> Marcus Latrell.

1:57:12

>> Yeah. His brother is

1:57:13

>> Morgan.

1:57:14

>> Morgan. Yeah. He's the catcher on our on

1:57:16

our baseball team. And um I was out

1:57:18

there one day and um we were we we we

1:57:21

don't actually practice in the best part

1:57:22

of town. And but we've got security

1:57:24

everywhere because when they shot Scaliz

1:57:26

and all those guys years back um we've

1:57:28

got I feel very secure and heard just

1:57:32

pop pop and and this young officer DC

1:57:36

officer said capital policeman said it's

1:57:39

okay guys I think it's fireworks and

1:57:41

Morgan took his hat off and goes bett

1:57:43

that was gunfire and I thought I'm going

1:57:46

with what Morgan says not going what

1:57:47

this guy up here says ain't never fired

1:57:49

a shot in anger and um and I love those

1:57:52

guys they're wonderful people and I do

1:57:54

too. I I I hurt for him. I used to hurt

1:57:56

for my daddy because he would um he'd

1:57:58

talk about China. They went to China

1:57:59

after the war and he fought the

1:58:00

communist over there for a short while

1:58:03

and then um before he left the Marine

1:58:06

Corps, but how we just turn them over

1:58:08

and that he would talk about that and he

1:58:10

would he would be visibly upset and walk

1:58:12

away because of that. You know, these we

1:58:15

just we want to get these wars over and

1:58:17

we don't we don't deal with the

1:58:19

repercussions. We don't deal the

1:58:20

repercussions of we got warriors we need

1:58:22

to heal and we got to you know and and

1:58:26

it's just very frustrating to me.

1:58:28

>> Yeah. Well, you know, kudos to Trump for

1:58:31

passing this psychedelics bill.

1:58:33

>> Oh, good gosh. I saw you on that. I love

1:58:35

that. I I talked because I I didn't know

1:58:37

anything about it and I and I asked um I

1:58:40

asked some of those guys about it before

1:58:42

and they said, "Oh yeah, Burchett, it

1:58:44

it's I one of one member confided in me

1:58:47

that he you because he'd been in some of

1:58:49

the mess and he and I and I told him I

1:58:51

said, you know, my daddy was had anger

1:58:53

issues and stuff. He never beat mama or

1:58:55

me or anybody, but

1:58:57

>> how could you not?"

1:58:58

>> I know.

1:58:59

>> How could you expect That's the crazy

1:59:00

thing. You expect this of people to do

1:59:03

horrible things and to see horrible

1:59:05

things and to come back and just go to

1:59:07

the grocery store, just be normal. Yeah.

1:59:08

>> Just sit in traffic, be normal.

1:59:10

>> I remember one time we were at a UT

1:59:12

football game and I was a little boy. I

1:59:13

must have been four or five. And uh

1:59:16

>> and that we on the 50 yard line. It was

1:59:18

in the 60s and they they let you bring

1:59:21

these cowbells and it was the last game

1:59:22

they let you bring cowbells, too. I

1:59:24

don't know. probably do it now, but back

1:59:25

then they they And so this guy was

1:59:27

sitting behind us and he was drunk and

1:59:29

he and he took the Lord's name in vain.

1:59:31

And my daddy said, "Hey." He said, "We

1:59:34

got ladies down here, you know, my

1:59:35

sister who was probably seven or eight

1:59:37

and or and my mama was there." And the

1:59:40

guy said, "Okay." And then the guy

1:59:42

spilled his drink on my dad and my mama

1:59:45

grabbed us all as kids and just rushed

1:59:47

us out. And and I remembered I was like,

1:59:49

"No, what's daddy doing?" You know, and

1:59:51

the UT cops, they love my daddy because

1:59:52

he was dean of student conduct. He

1:59:54

always backed them up and um they come

1:59:56

running down the aisle and literally my

1:59:57

dad wh beat these guys' ass all three of

1:59:59

them right there on the 50 yard line at

2:00:01

Neland Stadium and I was just a little

2:00:03

boy and I was like he didn't give high

2:00:05

fives back then but if I had I would

2:00:06

have given him cuz he was he was pretty

2:00:09

incredible guy.

2:00:10

>> Well guys been to war like that man had

2:00:14

and you come back and

2:00:16

>> and it wasn't any different than

2:00:18

thousands of other of his buddies. you

2:00:19

know, they would get together and talk

2:00:21

about stuff and and I, you know, we

2:00:23

didn't drink in the house. My mom and

2:00:24

daddy didn't let me have a beer can

2:00:26

collection and daddy's buddy Red Welch

2:00:28

came over and Red drank beer at the ha

2:00:31

at the dinner table and it was in the

2:00:33

80s. I was in I was gosh I was getting

2:00:35

ready to go to college and that was

2:00:37

still no beer in the house and Red was

2:00:39

drinking beer and I said, "Daddy," I

2:00:41

said, "What's the deal with Red drinking

2:00:42

beer?" And he said, "Buddy," he said,

2:00:44

"you get pinned down on one of them

2:00:46

islands and you got, you know, you're

2:00:47

going to get you're going to leave this

2:00:50

earth pretty soon. There's one guy that

2:00:51

comes running for you. He can do pretty

2:00:53

much whatever he wants to in your house,

2:00:55

and that was Red. I found an old picture

2:00:57

of him and daddy in China the other

2:00:58

day." But yeah, daddy had um he had a

2:01:01

great life, though. He had a [snorts]

2:01:02

great life. Him and mom are both buried

2:01:04

at Veteran Cemetery there in Knoxville.

2:01:06

And you know, to this day, I'm 61 years

2:01:08

old, and if I go up there, I I I think

2:01:11

about them and their sacrifice, and I

2:01:12

cry like a baby because I I go to that

2:01:14

Capitol, Joe, and I see people just that

2:01:18

are just going to throw it all away.

2:01:20

Throw it all away. And to me, that's

2:01:22

just that's that is unforgivable.

2:01:25

Unforgivable.

2:01:27

Well, I'm very happy that some of these

2:01:30

people that have experienced these

2:01:31

horrible things have at least a pathway

2:01:35

to relief now.

2:01:36

>> Yeah. And that is and and thank you for

2:01:38

getting involved, brother. That is that

2:01:40

was huge because I couldn't see that

2:01:42

ever do what?

2:01:43

>> Thank Rick Perry. Rick Perry and Brian

2:01:45

Hubard because if it wasn't for them

2:01:47

explaining to me what they've been

2:01:49

through and how it's helped people and

2:01:50

all the other people that I know like

2:01:52

Marcus Latrell was a friend who's

2:01:54

>> dude, it wouldn't happen. I talked to

2:01:55

everybody and they said it wouldn't have

2:01:56

happened if it wasn't been for you. You

2:01:58

use that microphone for for good and I

2:02:01

appreciate it cuz a lot of people

2:02:02

aren't.

2:02:02

>> Well, I never asked them for anything

2:02:04

>> up until that moment. And I was like, if

2:02:06

there's a thing that I could do that

2:02:08

might make the world a little bit of a

2:02:11

better place.

2:02:12

>> And the fact that those things were made

2:02:14

illegal in the first place is just

2:02:15

ridiculous. It should have never

2:02:16

happened. They should have been studied

2:02:18

and we could understand how they could

2:02:19

help people. Especially when you

2:02:21

consider how many people are on

2:02:22

anti-depressants in this country.

2:02:24

>> Wow. It's epidemic.

2:02:25

>> Tim Wals's daughter, the guy who was

2:02:28

running for vice president, his daughter

2:02:30

just made a post on social media where

2:02:33

she was talking about how she's been on

2:02:34

them for 15 years and she's realizing

2:02:36

that they're a real problem and she

2:02:38

every time she's tried to get off, it's

2:02:40

been devastating. And I know people that

2:02:42

have also been on them that they try to

2:02:44

get off them like my friend Theo Vaughn

2:02:47

and the roof falls off and like every

2:02:50

time he starts talking about something

2:02:51

that drives them crazy, I just got to

2:02:53

kind of rein them in and just like calm

2:02:55

down. Like you know if you've had

2:02:57

friends take their lives and I've had a

2:02:59

few.

2:03:00

>> I've had quite a few.

2:03:01

>> It's a it's a horrible feeling when you

2:03:04

think about it and you go, "What could I

2:03:05

have done? What could I have said? How

2:03:07

could I have?"

2:03:08

>> And and so much so we don't know. Um,

2:03:11

my oldest friend in the world, a guy

2:03:13

named Scott Davis. He and I were at

2:03:14

Little Red Schoolhouse together. His his

2:03:16

brother took his life and he was dep he

2:03:19

suffered from depression. And this was

2:03:20

in the 80s and we didn't understand it.

2:03:22

You know, I was with a guy yesterday,

2:03:24

one of his best friends, Ben Testerman.

2:03:26

He was telling me, you know, I I talked

2:03:29

to him, you know, we I came home, he was

2:03:31

he's a professional uh tennis player,

2:03:33

and he came home and was talking to

2:03:35

Jeff, and he said, he said, I just feel

2:03:37

like I'm in a hole, and nobody gets

2:03:39

that. And and and people will say to

2:03:40

them, I hear people all the time say

2:03:42

>> say, "Hey, uh just get over it, man."

2:03:45

You know, go for a jog, man. There's

2:03:47

some freaking chemical imbalance that we

2:03:48

don't Something has happened that's

2:03:50

jarred them that we don't understand.

2:03:52

And that is if if there's one avenue

2:03:54

that gets it, you know, and but big

2:03:57

pharma again, big egg, big farmer, it's

2:03:59

like hemp. Yeah. Why the hell are we not

2:04:01

growing hemp, right?

2:04:02

>> It just drives me crazy.

2:04:03

>> It drives me crazy as well. It doesn't

2:04:05

make any sense, especially when you find

2:04:07

out all the stuff that is legal. It's

2:04:08

like have some consistency. It doesn't

2:04:10

make any sense.

2:04:11

>> How many people do we lose every year?

2:04:12

And a lot of my friends are in the

2:04:14

alcohol business, but it's a personal

2:04:16

responsibility issue with me. You know,

2:04:18

if you do it, it's your business, but if

2:04:19

you break the law, Yes.

2:04:21

>> you know, you're going to the hooch gal.

2:04:22

>> Yeah. And listen, I'm not a big drinker,

2:04:24

but I think you should be allowed to

2:04:26

drink. I think I don't think there's

2:04:27

anything wrong with being allowed to

2:04:28

smoke cigarettes. If that's what you

2:04:29

want to do, you should be able to do it.

2:04:30

I believe in freedom. But I don't I

2:04:32

think we should be consistent. and the

2:04:34

fact that there's these things that

2:04:35

could help people that are suffering

2:04:37

from depression, that are suffering from

2:04:39

opioid addiction, that are suffering

2:04:40

from all sorts of PTSD and CTE and that

2:04:45

we have this thing that we've known

2:04:46

about for decades, and the only person

2:04:48

the courage to try to push an executive

2:04:51

order is Trump. And if I

2:04:53

>> again help that

2:04:54

>> again, he is he is enemy number one with

2:04:57

a lot of those people. Well, I mean,

2:05:00

thank God he's got the kind of courage

2:05:02

that he has to push stuff like that

2:05:03

through because it's going to change a

2:05:06

lot of humans lives, a lot of veterans

2:05:08

lives, a lot of first responders, a lot

2:05:09

of police officers, a lot of people that

2:05:11

have experienced violent crime and just

2:05:13

it's going to change a lot of people.

2:05:15

>> Women that have been abused and all the

2:05:17

above and they're not like going to be

2:05:20

walking around like some kind of crazy

2:05:21

zombies thing. It's a it's a very

2:05:23

controlled thing. And

2:05:25

>> especially Ibagane. Ibeane is not

2:05:27

recreational in any shape or form. No

2:05:29

one's taken it recreationally. I've

2:05:31

never done it, but I've heard it's a

2:05:32

terrible experience, but you come out on

2:05:34

the other end of it. And

2:05:35

>> Rick Perry was also talking about how

2:05:37

he's experienced natural brain atrophy

2:05:39

being a man in his 70s. Yeah.

2:05:41

>> He went and got an examination after he

2:05:43

did it and his brain atrophy had dropped

2:05:45

by 25%. He went back in 6 months later.

2:05:47

It was all gone. Just that alone. Wow.

2:05:50

Think about all the elderly people out

2:05:52

there that are suffering for memory loss

2:05:54

and all these different issues that

2:05:55

people have that that could fix them and

2:05:58

that it's literally just one experience

2:06:00

that you have that takes 12 hours and

2:06:02

when it's over you're better. That's

2:06:05

crazy. And that we've keep kept this

2:06:06

from people. There's no chance of people

2:06:08

being addicted.

2:06:09

>> The money somebody wants to control.

2:06:11

>> But at some point in time we've got to

2:06:12

be human. All these money people have to

2:06:14

realize you're you only have a certain

2:06:16

amount of time on on this planet. need

2:06:18

to shut them out

2:06:18

>> and you have an opportunity to make the

2:06:20

world a better place. And we got to say

2:06:22

no to people that just want personal

2:06:25

>> money. They just want personal funds

2:06:28

that going to go to their money that's

2:06:30

going to go to their bank accounts,

2:06:31

going to go to their company, their

2:06:32

corporation, personal benefit, and at

2:06:35

the expense of who knows how many

2:06:38

people, including literal heroes.

2:06:40

>> When's enough for those guys?

2:06:42

>> Yeah. When is enough enough? I mean,

2:06:44

this is the same feeling that I have

2:06:45

about this disclosure stuff. Like I

2:06:47

don't care what it's going to affect. I

2:06:50

don't care like if there's real things

2:06:54

out there that we don't know about. You

2:06:56

as a human being have no right to keep

2:06:59

that from the rest of humanity. There's

2:07:01

I don't care what your title is. I don't

2:07:05

care what three-letter organization you

2:07:06

work for. You're a human being and you

2:07:09

have an obligation to the other human

2:07:11

beings to alert us. The fact that

2:07:13

there's people that have if this is real

2:07:15

and there's people that have gone to

2:07:16

their grave with this information that

2:07:17

would literally change the course of

2:07:18

human history. That's a crime. It's a

2:07:21

real crime.

2:07:22

>> Could you imagine the poor countries,

2:07:24

the people that suffer, you know, the

2:07:26

deserts and things like that if you

2:07:28

could you could cool their huts or

2:07:31

whatever and we get out of these

2:07:33

worthless wars which are over oil all

2:07:35

the time, right? And it just it would

2:07:37

end it all in just a stroke of the pen

2:07:39

almost.

2:07:40

>> What do you think it is like when when

2:07:42

you

2:07:43

>> I've I go back and forth. I I know it's

2:07:46

a little crazy and this will probably

2:07:47

cost me action because they've tried to

2:07:48

use it against me in the past.

2:07:50

>> It will only help you at this point.

2:07:51

>> Well, I think um I think we need to look

2:07:54

at these deep water areas. I have a hard

2:07:56

time believing that something can travel

2:07:58

light years in some suspended state.

2:08:00

They have to be in some kind of

2:08:01

suspended state. So, I have a trouble

2:08:03

with that. Um, those five gentlemen that

2:08:06

came to my house, four or five, they

2:08:08

came to my house that time, they were

2:08:10

talking about a moon that was around

2:08:13

Saturn or Jupiter that they done some

2:08:16

testing with that they that they think

2:08:18

would be capable of something. And the

2:08:20

moon was larger than our Earth, of

2:08:22

course. But, um,

2:08:23

>> there's a moon that's larger than our

2:08:25

Earth.

2:08:25

>> Yeah. Around Jupiter or Saturn, I

2:08:27

>> That doesn't make any sense. I don't

2:08:28

think that's correct.

2:08:29

>> Yeah, maybe I'm wrong. Check it out.

2:08:30

>> Yeah. No, no, no. There's no moons that

2:08:32

are larger than a planet.

2:08:34

>> No, it's not.

2:08:35

>> I don't think so. Our planet.

2:08:36

>> Well,

2:08:36

>> I don't believe that's true.

2:08:38

>> Circles around it. I don't know. Anyway,

2:08:40

I'm wrong.

2:08:40

>> Is that Is that accurate?

2:08:42

>> Do I not know about this?

2:08:43

>> Says Earth's moon, though.

2:08:45

>> Yeah, but there's not I don't believe

2:08:46

there's a moon out there that's larger

2:08:48

than our planet.

2:08:49

>> These guys seem to think that something

2:08:50

could travel from there. And it was the

2:08:52

quantum physics. I you know after

2:08:54

talking to that admiral you know it

2:08:56

makes me wonder if there is something in

2:08:57

these deep ocean areas that the old

2:08:59

cliche we know more about the surface of

2:09:01

the moon than we do the surface the

2:09:03

ocean floor in some areas I think is

2:09:06

true because we're not down there

2:09:08

>> logically this is that's the one place

2:09:10

where we don't go and it covers 75% of

2:09:13

the earth at least right

2:09:14

>> and if you wanted to hide that would be

2:09:17

I mean if you were monitoring humans

2:09:19

let's say that humans are on this path

2:09:22

of technological evolution and then they

2:09:25

recognize that humans have split the

2:09:27

atom. We've developed atomic weapons and

2:09:29

we've used them and they want to make

2:09:33

sure that we don't blow up the entire

2:09:34

planet before we achieve some sort of

2:09:36

enlightenment, before we bypass whatever

2:09:40

territorial primate

2:09:43

monkey brain stuff that we have that's

2:09:45

causing us to have all these wars and do

2:09:47

all these things that we shouldn't be

2:09:48

doing.

2:09:49

>> And that we're on our way. We're getting

2:09:50

better. We're clearly better than we

2:09:52

were a thousand years ago and better

2:09:53

than we were 3,000 years ago. We're on

2:09:55

our way to being a more advanced

2:09:57

civilization, but it's possible that we

2:10:00

could screw it all up at any point in

2:10:01

time and blow ourselves to smitherines.

2:10:03

I would imagine they would want to

2:10:05

monitor us.

2:10:06

>> One maniac in Iran. Yeah.

2:10:07

>> If they hadn't had stopped that their

2:10:09

nuclear I'm convinced that they're I

2:10:11

mean they were out for Armageddon.

2:10:13

They'd have launched something. They had

2:10:15

the capabilities to go all the way to

2:10:16

England. I think if they put one close

2:10:18

to Israel, it'd be over. And you know,

2:10:20

people like North Korea who have

2:10:22

terrible technology on missiles, the

2:10:24

biggest threat there was if they put one

2:10:26

up in the air that the nuclear cloud

2:10:28

could blow over China. And so there's

2:10:31

that could have had some incredible bad

2:10:33

repercussions.

2:10:34

>> Well, the fact that there's so many

2:10:35

different countries that have nuclear

2:10:36

weapons and we're just relying on these

2:10:38

people to keep their together is

2:10:39

nuts.

2:10:40

>> It's nuts. Completely nuts.

2:10:42

>> And and they're and they're maniacs.

2:10:45

>> Yeah. Well, it's it makes sense that if

2:10:48

you were a super advanced life form from

2:10:50

wherever, that if you wanted to have

2:10:52

base, some sort of a base where you'd

2:10:54

monitor us, it would be in the ocean.

2:10:56

You'd be right there. You could get out

2:10:57

of it real quick and go to wherever you

2:10:59

wanted to go.

2:11:01

>> Orbs was the thing I was thinking of

2:11:02

earlier. Orbs. That's that's the new

2:11:05

word that you hear a lot of. And it's

2:11:07

getting away from saucers and

2:11:08

>> Well, there's a lot of weird stuff with

2:11:09

orbs where people say that they could

2:11:11

summon them.

2:11:12

>> Yeah, I'm I'm not on that. There's

2:11:14

someone a friend of mine wants me to go

2:11:16

and do it with her. She's she's uh my

2:11:19

friend's wife is like experienced it and

2:11:21

she's like, "You got to try it." I'm

2:11:22

like, "Oh,

2:11:23

>> now that to me is

2:11:24

>> I'll I'll say who it is when she comes

2:11:25

on the podcast next. I don't know. I

2:11:27

don't know. I don't have permission to

2:11:28

talk about it. I don't know if she wants

2:11:29

me to talk about it, but

2:11:31

>> uh I'm like, "Okay, what do we got to

2:11:33

do?"

2:11:33

>> Be careful about the sex cult.

2:11:36

>> Well, she's not. That's not I'm worried

2:11:37

about that.

2:11:38

>> I know. You're a good-look guy, Joe.

2:11:39

>> No, no, no. She's

2:11:40

>> She might be digging you.

2:11:41

>> No, no, no, no, no, no. This ain't that.

2:11:43

This is not that. She's been my friend

2:11:45

for 20 years. It's not She's married to

2:11:47

my friend. She has kids. Now,

2:11:48

>> I'm saying the angle that they use.

2:11:50

>> Well, this lady's not that. She's a

2:11:52

comedian. This is not that.

2:11:55

>> Uh is But there are a lot of kooky

2:11:57

people that do uh have sex cults. That

2:12:00

the sex cult every cult turns into a sex

2:12:03

cult, right?

2:12:04

>> Power.

2:12:05

>> You know, I almost bought a building in

2:12:06

Austin that was owned by a cult.

2:12:08

>> No, really?

2:12:09

>> Yeah. Yeah. Um, the original comedy

2:12:11

Mothership was uh the original location

2:12:14

was a place called the One World

2:12:16

Theater. The One World Theater was owned

2:12:18

by this cult. And uh I kind of knew

2:12:21

about it because Ron White told me about

2:12:22

it cuz they had this theater that they

2:12:25

built to uh so that their leader can

2:12:28

perform in front of them. And then the

2:12:30

cult got disbanded. The cult there's a

2:12:33

documentary about the cult called Holy

2:12:34

Hell. And uh yeah, it's crazy. It's cra

2:12:38

but it's a sex cult. There was a guy who

2:12:39

is a, get this, he started out in

2:12:42

California and he was a gay porn star

2:12:44

and a hypnotist, which is a wonderful

2:12:47

combination if you want to start a club

2:12:48

>> like you do.

2:12:49

>> Yeah. And also a yoga teacher. So, he

2:12:52

starts out teaching these people yoga.

2:12:54

And I don't know if I've ever taken yoga

2:12:55

before.

2:12:56

>> I've taken a bunch of yoga classes with

2:12:58

bunch of different instructors and most

2:13:00

of them have been amazing, but a few of

2:13:02

them were very culty. Very culty. And

2:13:05

there's this one guy that I took classes

2:13:06

from way back in the day, like more than

2:13:08

20 years ago. And he was in California

2:13:10

and he was sleeping with a bunch of the

2:13:12

ladies that were there. And he was kind

2:13:13

of

2:13:13

>> he was kind of like a cult guy. Like he

2:13:16

was like following him into it,

2:13:18

>> singing singing stupid songs, but it was

2:13:21

like very full of himself. It was gross.

2:13:23

He was gross. And you know, everything

2:13:26

wound up falling apart for that guy. But

2:13:27

>> then he ran for Congress. And

2:13:28

>> yeah, but there's a lot of these people

2:13:30

that for whatever reason, that's where

2:13:32

it all boils down to. They want to have

2:13:34

sex with everybody's wife and they want

2:13:35

to run and everything and they want, you

2:13:37

know, run-of-the-mill and have, you

2:13:39

know, it's very strange. But

2:13:41

>> that's where the demonic stuff comes in

2:13:43

with Christians. When you call these

2:13:44

things down, they

2:13:46

>> Well, why do you think that that has to

2:13:47

do with sex cults? Why would the aliens

2:13:49

have to do with what?

2:13:50

>> I don't think it's the aliens. I think

2:13:51

it's um I just think some people are

2:13:53

abusing the people's they think that

2:13:58

they're they're using their belief in

2:13:59

UFOs to draw them in and to some sort of

2:14:02

thing. And

2:14:03

>> have you knowledge of this kind of

2:14:05

stuff?

2:14:06

>> Yeah.

2:14:06

>> No, I get all of it. I hear about all of

2:14:08

it. I

2:14:08

>> can you name names? Can you talk about

2:14:10

like

2:14:10

>> not on the air? Okay.

2:14:11

>> I don't want to get sued.

2:14:13

>> Okay. Um, so the underwater bases uh or

2:14:18

the underwater

2:14:20

this what an admiral told me. Okay.

2:14:21

>> So, did he say locations that these

2:14:24

things are coming from or is there an

2:14:26

actual physical base that they've

2:14:28

observed?

2:14:29

He said that the

2:14:32

they don't have the capabilities to get

2:14:34

down that deep actually. Um but they did

2:14:36

say that that the sightings were

2:14:39

happening in about in in I think four of

2:14:42

the five deep water areas around our

2:14:44

world. And so,

2:14:46

>> and he didn't have any other, you know,

2:14:48

and then I was on talking about it and

2:14:50

somebody said Tim Burchett says that

2:14:52

they're underwater bases, you know, and

2:14:54

then um, you know, and they they had uh

2:14:57

Gates was on the other day and he so he

2:15:00

was he was briefed. I just told what I

2:15:02

was briefed on and he was briefed by a

2:15:04

guy that said it was in in uniform that

2:15:07

said that they were breeding um they

2:15:09

were capturing people and breeding them

2:15:11

with with these aliens. And you know, he

2:15:14

just talked. So yeah, he was on you can

2:15:16

pull it up. I mean Matt Gates, he talked

2:15:19

about it. He didn't say he believed it,

2:15:21

but you know, we talk about we get

2:15:22

briefed on. That's what I'm talking

2:15:24

about. The scop they here's part of the

2:15:26

problem, too. They bring you information

2:15:29

and you go forward with this and this

2:15:30

is, oh, this is the truth. You know,

2:15:32

these underwater bases, whatever, and

2:15:34

then they prove it doesn't exist, and

2:15:36

then they just discredit you and they

2:15:38

discredit the whole movement. So that's

2:15:40

why I'm very cautious anytime anybody

2:15:42

brings me any information or pictures or

2:15:45

>> testimony or you know third cousins

2:15:48

recollection.

2:15:49

>> Yeah, that is the disinformation thing

2:15:52

is a problem. They'll tell you some

2:15:53

truth and mix it in with some really

2:15:55

kooky stuff and then you say the kooky

2:15:58

stuff along with it and the kooky stuff

2:15:59

just discredits everything that's true.

2:16:01

>> Yeah.

2:16:02

>> Yeah. And Lazar talked about that too.

2:16:04

He said they would tell people certain

2:16:07

things that weren't true and they would

2:16:09

tell different people different things

2:16:11

that weren't true. So if the story got

2:16:13

leaked out, they would know who leaked

2:16:15

it. It was like a hook. So that anchor

2:16:17

would be like, "Oh, that was Mike. Mike

2:16:19

told the story." That's when I've uh I

2:16:22

always warn our other members when we go

2:16:24

into the skiff and talk about stuff that

2:16:27

that you know this that's first time

2:16:29

I've ever heard that one or or that's

2:16:31

that's sort of what we heard the last

2:16:33

time [snorts] and then I said everybody

2:16:35

just be real careful with it because if

2:16:36

it if it gets out then they'll come

2:16:39

after you or if it they want it to get

2:16:42

out so they can discredit you and make

2:16:44

you look like a fool. So they talk to

2:16:46

you about deep water areas where

2:16:48

sightings occur and so it's just a

2:16:51

presumption that somewhere in that deep

2:16:53

water they're emanating from that

2:16:55

they're

2:16:55

>> well he also he described um

2:16:58

>> it is Gat Gates claims whistleblower

2:17:00

told him of alien human hybrid program.

2:17:03

[laughter]

2:17:04

[gasps] The alleged program involved

2:17:06

captured extraterrestrials mating with

2:17:08

abducted humans from war zones and

2:17:11

migrant caravans to create hybrids for

2:17:14

intergalactic communication. He claimed

2:17:17

the whistleblower identified between six

2:17:19

and 12 such facilities in the US and

2:17:22

sought coordinated congressional visits

2:17:24

to prevent relocation of the activities

2:17:27

though Gates did not verify any of the

2:17:29

information. How could you [laughter]

2:17:32

ver you going to talk to the hybrids?

2:17:34

Yeah. Also,

2:17:35

>> I just want to go I just want to go to

2:17:37

the t-shirt shop.

2:17:37

>> Yeah, the pastor's thing that I sent

2:17:39

you, Jamie.

2:17:40

>> Yeah, that's bonkers. Think about

2:17:42

>> I don't buy that. I don't

2:17:44

>> So, this is a guy. It says his name is

2:17:46

uh Allan Daido.

2:17:48

>> Yeah.

2:17:48

>> And uh it's weird. Capital D, lowercase

2:17:52

I, capital D, lowercase I

2:17:55

>> did.

2:17:56

>> Dido.

2:17:57

Um after sitting in a private meeting

2:18:00

with pastors and those connected to

2:18:01

these investigations, the message was

2:18:03

clear. UFO and UAP disclosure is coming.

2:18:06

Pastors must prepare their people now.

2:18:08

Silence is not an option. Well, what

2:18:10

does that mean? Like what are they

2:18:12

preparing the people for? Like what why

2:18:15

would they bring

2:18:16

>> a group of pastors I've never heard of?

2:18:18

You know how

2:18:19

>> I do I think it is. I think if he'd have

2:18:21

brought anybody in, he brought Franklin

2:18:23

Graham in.

2:18:24

>> Is this gentleman a pastor himself?

2:18:25

Click on his uh

2:18:26

>> Yeah, he run Well, I mean, he also has a

2:18:28

show which is uh

2:18:30

>> Of course he does.

2:18:31

>> Of course he does. was the

2:18:33

>> Oh, so his show is about disclosure,

2:18:35

>> the Revival Nation Church or something.

2:18:36

No, no, I don't know that. This is just

2:18:38

what these clips were coming around.

2:18:39

>> Can you click on his bio, please? Like

2:18:41

what it clicks what it says. Equipping

2:18:45

end time believers for the next great

2:18:47

awakening. Oh boy. [laughter] I also I

2:18:51

would warn people that think we're in

2:18:52

the end times. The Bible is pretty clear

2:18:54

about that. It says that they don't even

2:18:56

the angels in heaven don't even know

2:18:58

>> when the end times are,

2:19:00

>> when the end's coming. So,

2:19:01

>> yeah. Well, that's I'm always very

2:19:02

suspicious of people that say the end

2:19:04

times are coming. I remember when we

2:19:05

were I was living in LA, there was a a

2:19:07

billboard. Do you remember those

2:19:08

billboards, Jamie? Where there was the

2:19:10

guy was like saying a very specific date

2:19:12

where the the end was coming. The

2:19:14

rapture was going to and then it didn't

2:19:15

happen. He's like, I got some bad

2:19:17

information. It's coming soon.

2:19:18

>> Yeah, I did my math wrong. I remember I

2:19:21

I see those all the time. I just shake

2:19:22

my head. It ain't happening.

2:19:25

>> Yeah, that's the guy. May 21st, 2011,

2:19:28

cry mightily unto God. Judgement day. Oh

2:19:31

boy. And it's look at look at the gold

2:19:32

stamp. The Bible guarantees it.

2:19:35

>> By the way, I read the Bible. I never

2:19:37

read anything where there's a guarantee

2:19:38

of this day.

2:19:40

>> Yeah.

2:19:40

>> May [snorts] 21st,

2:19:42

2011.

2:19:44

>> Yeah. Um, so when they tell you things,

2:19:47

is there anything that they tell you

2:19:48

that you could tell us?

2:19:51

Like how much of what they told you is

2:19:53

like completely top secret that you're

2:19:54

not allowed to say until they disclose

2:19:55

it?

2:19:56

>> A lot of it.

2:19:57

>> A lot of it. Yeah.

2:19:58

>> Is there anything that really disturbs

2:19:59

you?

2:20:01

Yeah, we had one meeting and it got into

2:20:03

some u stuff that they were talking

2:20:06

about and the treatment of people and um

2:20:11

the capabilities and this was

2:20:13

>> the treatment of people by these

2:20:15

supposed extraterrest

2:20:17

but but that were we're were trying to

2:20:19

come forward with this stuff but also

2:20:21

yeah they told me some pretty creepy

2:20:23

stuff. So, I would um again,

2:20:28

you know, I bring this out and then

2:20:29

they're busting my ass for it. But the

2:20:31

>> What do you think is going on? Like, so

2:20:34

>> I think it's a cover up. I think there's

2:20:36

something else out there. I do not think

2:20:38

we're the best that God can do. And I

2:20:40

really just don't know, Joe. There's so

2:20:42

many options. It could be. um one of

2:20:46

these groups that met with me, they they

2:20:49

described several different um types of

2:20:53

beings and they go through all of them.

2:20:54

How you know

2:20:55

>> how many different types of beings?

2:20:57

>> I don't know, three, four, five. I don't

2:20:59

know. I It just changes. I don't I don't

2:21:01

get caught up in that, you know. And I

2:21:02

tell our guys, I say, "Look, here's the

2:21:04

argument. Just say I just want to know

2:21:08

what we're spending tens of millions of

2:21:10

dollars on. That's all. I don't care if

2:21:12

I I don't it's not about little green

2:21:14

man. It's not about flying saucers. It's

2:21:16

what are we spending this money on if

2:21:17

they say they don't exist? That should

2:21:20

be the answer the question and then and

2:21:22

the answer will come from that.

2:21:23

>> Okay. So, if they do exist,

2:21:27

when you say you think it's a cover up,

2:21:28

what do you think?

2:21:29

>> I think I think I think Well, I think

2:21:31

they really do exist. And I don't think

2:21:33

that there's such a such a finite group

2:21:36

of people that actually know it. And um

2:21:38

and you got a lot of charlatans out

2:21:40

there that say they know it and they're

2:21:41

out there, they're selling memberships,

2:21:43

>> of course,

2:21:44

>> but um I I think there's there's

2:21:48

something to it.

2:21:48

>> I'm always very suspicious of anybody

2:21:50

who speaks definitively about something

2:21:52

like that where you can't possibly know

2:21:54

and then they don't offer up any proof

2:21:56

of this.

2:21:56

>> They say, "Well, I've seen the

2:21:58

pictures." Well, bring me the dad gum

2:21:59

pictures. Yeah,

2:22:00

>> but I have seen some pictures and I have

2:22:02

seen video and I have

2:22:03

>> What's the most convincing thing that

2:22:04

you've seen?

2:22:07

I don't know. Those guys came out the

2:22:08

house. That was pretty convincing. Yeah,

2:22:10

that was before the um before the

2:22:13

hearings that we had.

2:22:14

>> How clear was the video?

2:22:17

>> Clear as a screen. I mean, it was pretty

2:22:20

clear. Um you know, and that was preAI.

2:22:22

AI was such a new thing. And then it

2:22:26

[clears throat] fit in with what the tic

2:22:27

tac videos were. And the um the heat

2:22:32

signature is what always what I always

2:22:34

thought was unusual cuz it had to have a

2:22:36

heat signature but it didn't.

2:22:38

>> It's a zero point energy whatever that

2:22:40

is.

2:22:41

>> Right.

2:22:41

>> And then

2:22:43

the just the quantum physics angle of it

2:22:46

is mindblowing to me.

2:22:48

>> And you have no knowledge of what's

2:22:51

supposed to be released because it where

2:22:53

today's Wednesday.

2:22:54

>> I'm going to know tomorrow at 3.

2:22:56

>> Tomorrow at 3 p.m. Is that when the

2:22:58

world knows? No, I think they're going

2:22:59

to ask me. Just give me a little bit of

2:23:01

it. But I got a feeling they're not

2:23:03

going to tell me much. I got a feeling

2:23:04

they're not going to tell America much.

2:23:07

>> When is it supposed to be disclosed?

2:23:09

This week,

2:23:10

>> whatever they're going to disclose.

2:23:12

>> I don't know. I don't know. But if

2:23:13

they're going to disclose it to us, then

2:23:15

it'll be out right as soon as they hang

2:23:17

up the phone with some guys.

2:23:18

>> Do you feel an obligation if they don't

2:23:21

release it to try to tell people what

2:23:22

you know?

2:23:24

>> I do. I do. I do. I think it's um cuz I

2:23:28

don't like it if they're lying to us.

2:23:30

And I I again I don't think Trump knows.

2:23:35

I mean these people have kept this stuff

2:23:36

secret. I here's another thing. I was in

2:23:38

one meeting and a guy said I said what

2:23:40

about the president on this? And he said

2:23:42

the president's on a need to know basis.

2:23:44

Now that's a federal employee saying

2:23:47

that he or she has

2:23:52

information that the president is not

2:23:54

allowed to see. And I I I just was a

2:23:58

gasp, man. I said, you know, you that's

2:23:59

the kind of crap you see on some the

2:24:01

sci-fi network or something. But that

2:24:04

>> that'd be the title of my book. I mean,

2:24:06

that that that that ought to tell you

2:24:07

right there that that this thing is a is

2:24:09

a cover up. And I don't and I and it's

2:24:13

kind of like MK Ultra. I don't think

2:24:15

we're going to get the they're not going

2:24:17

to tell us everything.

2:24:19

I really don't. I don't think they're

2:24:20

going to give us

2:24:23

half of what we should get.

2:24:25

>> But you think we're gonna get something?

2:24:27

>> I think we're gonna get something.

2:24:28

>> Do you know how put off? Do you know how

2:24:30

put off?

2:24:31

>> Do what?

2:24:31

>> Do you know how put off? You know who he

2:24:33

is?

2:24:33

>> I thought you saying I thought you know

2:24:34

how put off you are right now. I was

2:24:36

like [laughter] how put off are you?

2:24:38

>> How put off was in the documentary as

2:24:39

well. He was in the age of disclosure

2:24:41

and he was a guest on the podcast and

2:24:42

one of the things that he told me is

2:24:44

that during the Bush administration they

2:24:46

brought in him and a bunch of other

2:24:48

scientists and thought leaders and what

2:24:51

was explained to him was that they are

2:24:54

considering disclosure and that there

2:24:57

have been visits of these super

2:25:00

intelligent beings from somewhere else

2:25:02

that we have retrieved crashed vehicles

2:25:06

and that we have biological remains.

2:25:08

That's correct. We are talking about

2:25:10

disclosing. We would like you to make a

2:25:14

list of all the ways that it'll

2:25:16

negatively affect society and all the

2:25:18

ways that it'll positively affect

2:25:20

society and attach a numerical value to

2:25:23

these things. And they all did it. And

2:25:25

every one of them said the negatives far

2:25:28

outweigh the positives in terms of the

2:25:31

impact on government, the impact on the

2:25:32

economy, religion, all the all these

2:25:34

different factors and how the how it

2:25:36

would disrupt society. And in the end,

2:25:38

they decided not to disclose.

2:25:40

>> Yeah, I've heard that many times. I I

2:25:42

just don't buy it.

2:25:43

>> You don't buy it?

2:25:44

>> I don't buy it. I mean, I I don't doubt

2:25:46

what he's saying. I know all those guys

2:25:48

now that you mentioned I was in movie,

2:25:49

of course, and I've met them all

2:25:50

afterwards, but I don't I just don't buy

2:25:53

that. I think we should know. Let us

2:25:56

know. Let us decide.

2:25:57

>> No, I believe that, too. But I I wonder

2:26:00

what that meeting was like and whether

2:26:02

or not they were being truthful to these

2:26:05

people or whether it was a thought

2:26:07

experiment.

2:26:07

>> Allegedly, when they told Jimmy Carter,

2:26:09

he cried.

2:26:10

>> That's what I heard, too.

2:26:11

>> I was It was

2:26:13

>> I won't go into all of it, but I was in

2:26:15

a meeting.

2:26:16

>> What would make him cry?

2:26:17

>> I don't know. I know he's a very

2:26:19

sensitive guy, but

2:26:20

>> I understand, but I mean like I cried

2:26:22

when I saw Old Yeller.

2:26:23

>> Yeah, I did too. [laughter] Still cry.

2:26:25

But they um uh he he had seen a UFO, you

2:26:28

know, he was on a Navy sub, nuclear sub,

2:26:30

and um I don't know if he saw that when

2:26:32

he was on the sub or not. I can't

2:26:34

remember, but you know, here he said,

2:26:36

"That guy, he's president of the United

2:26:37

States." And he

2:26:38

>> they told him something and supposedly

2:26:40

he cried. And I was in the meeting and I

2:26:43

uh that was brought up and the guy that

2:26:45

they were trying to trip up gave the

2:26:47

date of that meeting and he said you can

2:26:50

go to the Carter Library and pull up

2:26:55

that date and you'll know there's one

2:26:57

person they omitted their name which who

2:27:01

knows who that was but they list the the

2:27:03

meeting and where he was when he got

2:27:04

that that briefing.

2:27:06

>> Wow.

2:27:09

So, I don't know. I don't know.

2:27:11

>> I don't know either.

2:27:12

>> I don't know if that's true or not. You

2:27:13

know, they also say Nixon pulled up one

2:27:17

night to Jackie Gleason's and took

2:27:18

>> I know that story.

2:27:19

>> Yeah.

2:27:20

>> Well, you know, Jackie Gleason built

2:27:22

that crazy house in upstate New York. Do

2:27:24

you know about that?

2:27:25

>> Do not?

2:27:25

>> Oh, you don't? It was for sale a while

2:27:27

back. Um Jackie Gleason essentially

2:27:30

built a UFO house. He built a house that

2:27:32

looked like a flying saucer. No kidding.

2:27:34

Yeah. It was for sale fairly recently

2:27:36

within the last few years. That's the

2:27:38

house.

2:27:38

>> Oh crap.

2:27:39

>> That's a house Jackie Gleason built

2:27:41

after supposedly Richard Nixon took him.

2:27:44

So supposedly the story was they were

2:27:46

golfing, out drinking, and Richard

2:27:48

Nixon's like, "Hey, you want to see some

2:27:50

shit?" And then [laughter] he took him

2:27:52

to see this UFO somewhere on some base.

2:27:57

You know, the story is very vague. It's

2:27:59

hard to tell what what actually

2:28:01

happened, but apparently people that

2:28:04

knew Jackie Gleason said it profoundly

2:28:06

affected him. And Jackie Gleason became

2:28:08

obsessed with UFOs afterwards. And then

2:28:10

he had this house built

2:28:12

>> the shape of a UFO, which is I mean, not

2:28:15

evidence, but weird.

2:28:17

>> That's very weird.

2:28:18

>> Weird.

2:28:18

>> Yeah. And Nixon um Nixon was a very

2:28:21

serious guy. That would have been a that

2:28:23

would have been an interesting uh

2:28:24

>> Yeah. scenario

2:28:26

>> indeed.

2:28:27

>> But I

2:28:29

I just wish they'd

2:28:31

show us everything.

2:28:32

>> Yeah, me too. Well, we'll see. We'll see

2:28:36

what what comes out this week. But, uh,

2:28:38

thank you very much for being here. I

2:28:39

really appreciate it. It was great to

2:28:41

talk to you.

2:28:41

>> I wish I could get you to move to East

2:28:43

Tennessee.

2:28:43

>> Why?

2:28:44

>> Well, we saved Texas ass, man. You know,

2:28:46

Davy Crockett. Yeah, Davy Crockett back

2:28:48

in the day.

2:28:49

>> Yeah. He said, um, he [snorts] was in

2:28:50

Congress and got beat. He was a state

2:28:52

legislator and he got he got beat in the

2:28:54

Congress. He said, "As for," let's see,

2:28:57

see, his quote was, "As for me, he says,

2:28:59

"For you all, you can all go to hell. As

2:29:00

for me, I'm going to Texas." He got He

2:29:03

goes to Alamo gets killed. But

2:29:05

[laughter] he parlayed that into a

2:29:06

Disney special, so he kind of evened

2:29:08

out. Yeah.

2:29:09

>> Sort of.

2:29:10

>> Sort of.

2:29:11

>> Sort of. I'm very partial to Texas.

2:29:12

>> Well, all right. We're low tax state. I

2:29:14

know. Texas low.

2:29:15

>> I just love it here. I love a lot of

2:29:17

things about Tech. I love the people.

2:29:19

It's a fun place to be.

2:29:20

>> Yeah. My buddy Chip Roy, he's leaving.

2:29:23

He's from down here. A bunch of these

2:29:24

guys in Congress are down here that are

2:29:27

leaving

2:29:27

>> and they're going to Tennessee.

2:29:28

>> No, they're coming down here. He's a

2:29:32

down here. But no, they're just they're

2:29:33

all coming home. They're tired of

2:29:35

Washington.

2:29:35

>> Yeah.

2:29:36

>> Well, Latrell told me I said, "Why are

2:29:37

you leaving Congress, dude?" And he

2:29:38

says,

2:29:39

>> "Want to spend time with my family, my

2:29:40

kids. They're growing up." And I was

2:29:42

like, "Can't argue with that, brother."

2:29:44

>> Yeah. And the pressure of Congress, the

2:29:46

pressure of Washington, DC is just so

2:29:49

odd. I've only been there a couple

2:29:50

times, but every time I'm there when I

2:29:52

leave, I'm like, "Yuck."

2:29:54

>> It's like when I used to, you know, I

2:29:56

used to minister [snorts] to a guy in

2:29:57

prison and when you'd leave Brushy

2:30:00

Mountain State Prison, you I I called it

2:30:02

that institutional smell. Whatever they

2:30:04

used to clean that place, you just smell

2:30:06

like it for you could smell it in your

2:30:08

nose for days later. And that's

2:30:10

Washington DC. It's a It's more of a

2:30:12

filthy smell.

2:30:13

>> Yeah, it's a weird place. I guess it's

2:30:15

necessary supposedly, but it's it's odd

2:30:18

to visit. But I appreciate people like

2:30:20

you.

2:30:21

>> Thank you, brother. I appreciate you.

2:30:22

And I appreciate you doing the right

2:30:23

thing, especially for our veterans and

2:30:25

on disclosure and all the other hot

2:30:27

button issues.

2:30:28

>> And you got Hecklefish right there.

2:30:30

>> I do. Hecklefish.

2:30:31

>> He said my name on his show one time.

2:30:33

Yeah, I love that show. He said my name

2:30:36

one time. He said it wrong, but he's a

2:30:38

Yankee, so I guess it's okay. It's like

2:30:40

Bersett or something. I don't know.

2:30:42

>> Thank you very much. It was awesome. All

2:30:43

right. [music] Thank you. Bye everybody.

2:30:51

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