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[00:12] >> Good to see you, sir.
[00:14] >> Thank you for having me, brothers. Big
[00:16] honor.
[00:16] >> Thank you. An honor for me, too. Very
[00:18] excited about this. Very excited to talk
[00:20] to you. There's so many different things
[00:21] to discuss. So, do you know what is
[00:26] going to be released? So supposedly this
[00:28] is the week of some kind of disclosure.
[00:31] Can you give us any insight as to what's
[00:33] going on?
[00:34] >> Oddly enough, I got a call that um that
[00:37] tomorrow at 3:00 I'm going to be briefed
[00:40] over the phone by um I think one of
[00:43] Seth's top dogs is going to go over some
[00:47] stuff with me that they've got and I
[00:49] have no earthly idea. I I don't want
[00:52] everybody to get their hopes up. I don't
[00:54] have a lot of faith in in our
[00:56] government. President Trump's always
[00:58] been great to me. He's never lied to me.
[01:00] But I I don't know that he knows the
[01:02] right questions to ask and the right
[01:03] people to talk to because I mean, this
[01:05] thing's been covered up at least since
[01:07] 1947.
[01:08] And I just don't think they're going to
[01:11] they don't give up that easy. The war
[01:13] pimps at the Pentagon and everybody
[01:15] else, they just don't give up that easy.
[01:17] >> How how did you come to understand all
[01:21] this stuff? like what was your
[01:22] understanding of it before you got into
[01:24] government?
[01:25] >> I had pretty cool parents. Um, right now
[01:27] they would uh daddy was an old World War
[01:29] II marine and mama flew an airplane
[01:31] during the Second World War. I mean,
[01:32] they were they were badasses. Then they
[01:35] were good Christian people. But my daddy
[01:37] was a stone cold killer. I mean, he was
[01:39] the real deal. He was on Peloo and
[01:42] Okinawa in the Marine Corps. And of
[01:44] course, mama's oldest brother, Roy, got
[01:46] killed fighting the Nazis. And mama did
[01:49] her part. Just a little country girl.
[01:51] didn't have electricity till she's a
[01:52] senior in high school. So, I've kind of
[01:54] lived the American dream. But they would
[01:56] let me, you know, they let me get
[01:58] bloodied up and then they would patch me
[02:01] up and let me go. You know, I I could
[02:03] ride my bike to the library or the
[02:04] library if you're from East Tennessee.
[02:07] And uh and it was, you know, about a
[02:10] mile from the house and they go in there
[02:12] and they have these books set up and
[02:14] they had all this stuff on, you know,
[02:17] all this wild stuff and there's a book
[02:18] on UFOs and I just picked it up and
[02:20] started reading it. I probably wasn't, I
[02:22] don't know, seven or eight years old and
[02:24] I just always followed it, you know, the
[02:25] the magazine articles and I'd go out at
[02:28] night and hope to see a UFO. Never did,
[02:30] never have um until some of the
[02:34] briefings I've been in. But um and then
[02:37] I'm walking down the street
[02:39] >> and can I mention another news sources?
[02:42] Okay. I was walking down the street and
[02:44] TMZ was there was a guy there um this
[02:47] black fella, his name's Colin. He's a
[02:48] buddy of mine. He doesn't work for them
[02:50] anymore, but he was filming and he said,
[02:52] "Hey, Congressman," he said, "You want
[02:54] me to comment on the UFO thing?" He
[02:55] couldn't get anybody to comment. I said,
[02:57] "Why sure?" I said, "They're going to
[02:58] issue tell you they're going to issue
[03:00] you a report and it's going to be loaded
[03:02] and everybody's freaking out. It's going
[03:04] to be the greatest thing. It's going to
[03:05] be total disclosure and then they're
[03:07] going to put something out. It looked
[03:08] like somebody shot it with a dad gum 12
[03:10] gauge. It's just going to have holes in
[03:11] it. It's all redacted. And I said, "And
[03:14] they're not going to put it out this
[03:15] week. It'll be weeks later." And that's
[03:17] exactly what they did. They had a report
[03:19] I felt like had some information in that
[03:22] was new to the public. And um and they
[03:26] um did what they always do. They hid it,
[03:29] covered it up. And then uh
[03:33] everybody saw that interview and I said
[03:35] on it I said um
[03:37] >> that's the one we were talking about
[03:38] bases in the ocean.
[03:39] >> No, no, no, no, no. That a different one
[03:41] as is totally different. I this is just
[03:43] out on the street corner and then I
[03:44] started getting calls from people
[03:46] literally all over the world. I mean
[03:48] I've I've talked to legislators in
[03:50] Russia over this issue and then people
[03:53] um people start just stop me on street
[03:55] corners and say, "Hey man, I really
[03:57] appreciate you going for disclosure. I
[03:58] have doctors tell me this. have lawyers,
[04:00] engineers. I have military people that
[04:02] have seen things that they can't
[04:04] describe. I've had members of Congress.
[04:06] You know, there's a few bullies in
[04:07] Congress. They'll make fun of me and say
[04:09] smart elic stuff. But put it out there
[04:11] to your people. It's over 55% of the
[04:13] American population feels like we're not
[04:16] alone. I mean, seriously, you go out
[04:17] there and look at those every night. My
[04:19] dogs, they got to take a leak. They
[04:21] never want to take a leak at like 9:00.
[04:22] It's always 3:00 in the morning. I look
[04:24] at those dadum stars, man. And the light
[04:26] from those stars left there before the
[04:29] time of Christ. And the light from some
[04:31] of those stars, the stars have already
[04:33] combusted. I mean, they're not even
[04:35] there anymore. You know, light years to
[04:37] us is is something that's hard to
[04:40] understand. And we are more we are just,
[04:42] you know, one grain of sand on a billion
[04:44] beaches. And I still don't think we're
[04:46] the best that God can do. I, you know, I
[04:49] just can't imagine we're his shining uh
[04:53] we're we're the one they put on the
[04:54] mantel. Oh, look. you made humans. Well,
[04:57] you know, we've kind of screwed things
[04:58] up. So, I I you know, and I and I read
[05:02] my Bible and a lot of the Christian
[05:03] folks knock me. They talk about it's
[05:05] demons and I say, "Well, I'm good with
[05:08] Jesus. I'm not worrying about demons.
[05:09] I'm not going to worry about that. I
[05:11] don't think they're demons. I don't Why
[05:12] would they? They don't have to fly
[05:14] around in some craft to to, you know,
[05:16] it's just to me it's it's hard to
[05:18] imagine." But the um the underwater
[05:21] thing was I was I was getting briefed by
[05:23] an it was a former admiral came into my
[05:26] office and Joe it was it was a very
[05:30] friendly conversation and I'm always a
[05:32] little couched because or a little I
[05:35] hold back a little bit because I think
[05:37] there's a scop going on with some of
[05:39] these departments. I was uh briefed by
[05:41] one of our alphabet agencies not long
[05:43] ago and the final thing was somebody
[05:46] said well why don't we got more
[05:48] information says we just don't have the
[05:50] funding for that congressman and you
[05:52] know it's a and I know they're reading
[05:54] the polling data and they're saying you
[05:55] know well let's shake loose the money
[05:58] tree for us and that's that's part of it
[06:00] too and I warn people about that but um
[06:04] I guess in a nutshell that's pretty much
[06:06] it.
[06:06] >> So when you first got in how long have
[06:08] you been in government for? Well, eight
[06:10] years in in um Congress. I was in our
[06:13] state legislature in Tennessee 16 years
[06:15] and then I was county mayor for eight
[06:17] years.
[06:17] >> So, was it when you got into Congress
[06:20] that you first started getting inside
[06:21] information about what's going on?
[06:23] >> Yeah.
[06:23] >> So, that was was that eight years ago or
[06:25] like when was that?
[06:26] >> Uh probably six years ago. Five or six.
[06:28] Let's see. It was during Trump's first
[06:30] administration. So, it would have been
[06:31] about eight years ago.
[06:32] >> And do you remember what it was? Do you
[06:34] remember how you were introduced to it?
[06:36] >> Uh yeah. Um, we we raised we just raised
[06:40] total hell about it and then why
[06:43] >> because it's a cover up. Nobody would
[06:45] give us information.
[06:46] >> What made you think it was a cover up?
[06:47] Why did you think that?
[06:48] >> I guess I just don't trust government.
[06:50] I've been in government most of my life
[06:51] and I just don't trust it. I don't
[06:53] >> I understand that. But like was there
[06:54] something that led you to want to pursue
[06:57] this particular subject?
[06:58] >> No, just it kind of pursued me after I
[07:01] did that TMZ interview. people started
[07:02] calling me and then people would um I
[07:05] would get phone calls from people for
[07:06] >> but the TMZ interview was fairly
[07:08] recently, right?
[07:09] >> No, no, no, no. That was that was one
[07:10] that was that was that was what started
[07:12] it all. It was seven or eight years ago.
[07:13] I'm sorry. I don't I didn't explain it
[07:16] very well.
[07:16] >> So, so then so but you had an interest
[07:19] from the time you were a child and then
[07:22] getting into government. What was like
[07:23] the first introduction where you had a
[07:26] an idea that there's something going on?
[07:29] >> When I started asking questions and um
[07:32] and we just get to run around
[07:34] >> like what kind of questions?
[07:35] >> Like um what is what is this? Where are
[07:39] you seeing these things? And we would
[07:41] get people I would I had I had an
[07:44] interesting meeting in my office um with
[07:47] some people that were like uh nationally
[07:50] known and they came by to see me and
[07:52] they just wanted to talk to me about it
[07:54] and I was um and and they started
[07:56] telling me things and then I had a group
[07:58] come to my house. I said y'all just come
[08:00] by the office in DC and we'll talk. They
[08:02] said we don't feel comfortable doing
[08:04] that. And they came by the house and
[08:06] they said can we hook up to your um
[08:09] television? And I said, "Well, sure."
[08:10] You know, and they hooked up the
[08:12] computer to it. And they were showing me
[08:13] um they were showing me objects that
[08:16] were flying at And
[08:19] granted, I'm not a, you know, I'm not an
[08:21] astrophysicist by any stretch of
[08:23] imagination, but they were showing me
[08:24] things that were flying at at speeds
[08:26] that were just that nothing compares.
[08:28] And the and the angles that they were
[08:30] taking would literally, and I've said
[08:32] this before, and it grosses people out,
[08:34] but it would turn you or me into a
[08:36] ketchup package. I mean, we, you know,
[08:37] you go this way and then boom, you're
[08:39] going this way. And we have no no
[08:41] capability of any of it. And now I've
[08:44] been briefed so many times from on and
[08:47] different different groups. Um, you
[08:49] know, you know, we've we scrub missions
[08:53] because these things are out there. We
[08:55] um and then we tell everybody that's
[08:58] involved to keep your mouth shut. And
[09:00] then if you're a pilot and you come back
[09:02] and say, "Hey, I've seen this." You
[09:04] immediately pulled off the flight line.
[09:06] I'm not a pilot or military person, but
[09:08] flight line um is what I call it.
[09:10] They're not able to fly and they're
[09:11] given a psych evaluation and they're
[09:13] given an 8h hour, they call it a
[09:15] debriefing. It's I've been told by some
[09:17] of the officers that have been involved,
[09:18] it's really just an interrogation and
[09:20] then you got that hanging on your record
[09:22] and
[09:23] >> so it influences them to stop.
[09:25] >> They just keep their mouth shut. I I
[09:26] literally had a guy tell me, Joe, that
[09:28] he um he said his um um recorder, it was
[09:33] an older style plane and he said, I
[09:34] think he said it was close to his right
[09:36] knee. And when he got that on his
[09:39] recorder, he started smashing it with
[09:41] his right knee to discombobulate it so
[09:44] that it wasn't even cuz he didn't want
[09:46] anything. He did not need it. He saw it.
[09:50] He didn't need it in in on his record.
[09:52] even if he saw it and it was on a dad
[09:54] gum tape, they they drag you in. And so,
[09:58] you know, myself, Luna, and um Matt
[10:01] Gates went down to Florida to be um
[10:04] briefed by Matt was told that some some
[10:08] pilots had seen some things and they had
[10:10] some photographs. And so, we go down
[10:12] there and and again, we go in. I told
[10:15] Matt, I said, "Matt, they don't give up
[10:17] this stuff easy. We're going to go down
[10:18] there and I have a bad feeling they're
[10:20] going to turn us out. turn us out. Well,
[10:22] we went down there and Joe, they briefed
[10:24] us on some very um very serious issues
[10:28] that they were dealing with with the
[10:30] Chinese and um and and communist
[10:34] infiltration and things going on um
[10:37] around around Florida in in in the
[10:40] ocean. And but they didn't never have
[10:42] the the uh they wouldn't bring the
[10:44] pilots in. Matt said, "Hey, I understand
[10:46] all this, but this is not why we came
[10:48] down here." And Matt's um you say what
[10:50] you want to about Matt Gates, but he's
[10:52] and he's a great orator and he's a great
[10:54] attorney and he just started failing on
[10:57] them. And he told him he said, "Here's
[11:00] what's going to happen. You're going to
[11:01] jerk me around." And I said, "I'm going
[11:03] to subpoena you all. We're going to call
[11:05] y'all back to Washington." And I
[11:06] remember looking over in the corner at
[11:08] the suits. And I and I said and I I
[11:11] called them spooks cuz they were
[11:13] obviously some sort of military
[11:14] intelligence or CIA. And I leaned over
[11:16] to Matt and I said, "The spooks are
[11:18] getting nervous, brother." Cuz they were
[11:20] kind of shifting around. And they shut
[11:22] us down. They said, "No, we're not going
[11:24] to do it." And Matt said, "I'm calling
[11:27] whoever big Air Force was." He Matt was
[11:30] on the um on one of the military
[11:32] committees. And he called and um hour
[11:35] later they stuck us up in this room and
[11:38] um had microphones under the desk. I
[11:40] remember Luna reached under and
[11:41] unplugged them. And uh um they had a
[11:45] nice fruit tray that you paid for it,
[11:47] taxpayers. Thank you very much.
[11:49] [laughter] So I went and it hit like a
[11:51] jackass eating saw browsers. I was just
[11:52] eating. I didn't care. And so um finally
[11:55] [clears throat] I came back in an hour
[11:57] and the guy says, "I don't know who you
[11:58] all called, but you're going to get your
[12:00] briefing. They're bringing the pilots
[12:02] in." And literally they brought these
[12:04] pilots in and they were in their um
[12:06] their flight gear and they had just come
[12:08] out of the planes and they were the ones
[12:10] and they they described things and it's
[12:13] been reported now. It's been imported in
[12:15] public but it was um these craft that
[12:17] were hovering for extended periods of
[12:18] times and could shoot straight up at
[12:21] incredible speeds that we don't have
[12:23] capabilities of doing. And those are the
[12:25] kind of thing and and too they're um
[12:28] this was military people. These were top
[12:30] people. These are like equivalent not
[12:33] you know they just some of our top
[12:35] people and I know folks are going to say
[12:37] well it's probably the Russians. Well if
[12:39] it's the Russians dad gamut they
[12:41] wouldn't be tied up down in Ukraine for
[12:43] how many years and and Putin's such an
[12:46] egoomaniac he'd fly a saucer to
[12:49] Pennsylvania Avenue get out and probably
[12:50] wrestle Trump in the front yard or
[12:52] something. You know bare chested ride a
[12:54] unicorn or something. I don't know. If
[12:56] it's China they'd own us even more than
[12:58] they already do. And then people say,
[12:59] "Well, it's ours, Burch. It's just ours
[13:01] that they don't want to release it."
[13:03] Well, think about this. President Trump
[13:06] and he should have, and I give him great
[13:07] credit for that, that pilot that got
[13:09] knocked down over in Iran, we spent
[13:11] untold millions of dollars to bring that
[13:13] cat home. And we should have because it
[13:15] sends a message to our enemies, and it
[13:16] sends a message to our fighting men and
[13:18] women that we're not going to leave you
[13:19] behind, as many presidents have done
[13:21] many times. There's no way on God's
[13:24] green earth that they would risk a half
[13:27] a billion dollar aircraft with something
[13:29] flying around it and um and and risk
[13:33] those guys' life and all that training
[13:35] to put these guys in harm's way. And
[13:37] that's and that's exactly what they're
[13:39] doing. I mean, these things were buzzing
[13:41] cockpits. It's it's not an everyday
[13:43] occurrence. It's in certain areas. And
[13:45] that's where the um the deep water thing
[13:48] comes in. The deep water bases. I was
[13:50] sort of misqued. I was just telling what
[13:53] I was told and um but it makes a lot of
[13:56] sense that that these deep water areas
[13:58] are where we see a lot of sightings and
[14:00] we see we've seen um
[14:04] craft underwater
[14:06] that do something over 200 miles an hour
[14:09] that on the sonar pickup are as big as a
[14:11] dad gum football field. The best we have
[14:14] we don't have anything big as a football
[14:15] field maybe in length but not in not
[14:18] underwater anyway. And uh I you know the
[14:21] best we can do is maybe upper 30 m an
[14:24] hour maybe something like that. I don't
[14:26] know but 200 miles an hour that's just
[14:28] out of the question. And um these things
[14:30] don't have a heat signature and
[14:34] I hope I hope though that they they
[14:36] release some of the footage that we've
[14:38] seen and some that we haven't that we've
[14:40] been rumored that's out there. What I'm
[14:42] afraid though it's going to get so
[14:43] sanitized and it's going to get cleaned
[14:46] up. I mean, even Obama, he said, "Yeah,
[14:48] there aliens out there." And then in a
[14:50] recent interview, I saw just the last
[14:52] week or so, he's backed up on that. I
[14:54] was just kidding. I was just kidding.
[14:56] You know,
[14:56] >> well, I saw Trump when he was getting
[14:58] interviewed, he said Obama should have
[15:00] said that because it's classified. He
[15:02] goes, "But I might release it. I might
[15:04] make it unclassified."
[15:06] >> And I hope he does. And I told him that.
[15:08] I talked to the president about it and I
[15:10] said, you know, Mr. President, it's like
[15:12] it's like layers of an onion. Just keep
[15:14] peeling it back. And I hope I hope he
[15:16] does because
[15:16] >> well he might be the only one that would
[15:17] ever
[15:18] >> only one with enough guts. Only one cuz
[15:20] he's not beholden to that bunch. All
[15:21] they done is try to bury him.
[15:23] >> Right.
[15:24] >> Yeah. So when these men came to you and
[15:26] they hooked up the computer to your
[15:28] television and showed you, did they tell
[15:29] you why they wanted you to see this
[15:31] stuff?
[15:32] >> They just thought I should know about it
[15:34] because I was asking the right
[15:35] questions. And then shortly after that,
[15:37] I was in in Go ahead.
[15:39] >> I'm sorry. Were you told that you were
[15:41] not supposed to tell people about this?
[15:43] Were you?
[15:43] >> No. But it's interesting. I had that
[15:45] deep throat moment, you know, not the
[15:47] porn version, the the um Richard Nixon
[15:51] moment, you know, where I was walking in
[15:53] the in the tunnel one day and a person
[15:56] came up to me and it's always a friend.
[15:58] It's always a friend that does this and
[15:59] said, it was just the strangest
[16:01] conversation and I'll never forget it
[16:03] because he said, "Burchett," he said,
[16:04] "Uh, you know, you're really pushing on
[16:07] this UFO thing." And I go, "Yeah, yeah,
[16:09] I am." He said, "Do you really think we
[16:12] need to do this?" And I just kept
[16:14] listening. I when I was a young man, id
[16:16] have run my mouth and said, "I'll shut
[16:17] up." But I listened to what he said. He
[16:18] said he said, "I mean, you know, this
[16:20] could upset the religious community and
[16:23] and all this other I mean, some of this
[16:25] stuff's just left unknown, you know."
[16:27] And I said, "No, it's not." And the
[16:30] government has no right to decide what I
[16:32] can and cannot understand or handle or
[16:35] see. And it to me and and every time,
[16:38] Joe, let me tell you what they're going
[16:40] to do. I had a two-page bill to for
[16:42] disclosure. And Chuck Schumer had one
[16:45] that was 60 pages, I believe, and he
[16:48] modeled his after the Kennedy
[16:49] assassination
[16:51] uh committee release, which we're over
[16:53] 60 years into that. And we still don't
[16:55] they haven't released everything that on
[16:58] on President Kennedy getting shot. And
[17:00] that's what they wanted to model this
[17:02] dadum thing after. Mine was two pages
[17:03] long. Of course, mine didn't get
[17:04] anywhere. I was told by a member of
[17:06] leadership they come and sit with me. I
[17:08] call it cent's row. I sit on the back
[17:10] row, second from the back on the aisle.
[17:12] Everybody gets in trouble. They come sit
[17:14] with me sometimes. And um and I was told
[17:17] by a member of leadership that um that
[17:20] the intelligence community was unhappy
[17:24] with what I was doing. And then I got a
[17:26] phone call from um a former member of um
[17:30] President Trump's staff who told me that
[17:32] I needed to um I forget his exact
[17:36] terminology, but he said, "Oh," he said,
[17:37] "You need to get some bodies around
[17:39] you."
[17:40] >> So, you know, and I I don't know what
[17:42] that means. I mean, I'm the 435th most
[17:45] powerful member of Congress, Joe. So, I
[17:47] you know, they bump me off and it's
[17:49] going to be like they'll they'll
[17:50] there'll be one tear shed on the House
[17:52] floor. They'll be because I owed
[17:53] somebody $10. I didn't pay them back and
[17:55] then they'll move on to the next guy.
[17:56] So,
[17:57] >> well, I'm sure you're aware of this
[17:59] narrative about the missing scientists
[18:01] and scientists that have turned up dead
[18:02] and been killed
[18:03] >> 100%. That's real. I think um I have a
[18:07] theory on that. All right. I know it's
[18:09] it's a little dangerous to throw these
[18:11] things out, but and I and I I was on
[18:13] maybe Fox one time and I just came up
[18:15] with this. I say, say your family's
[18:18] mobbed up, okay? And y'all own a nice
[18:21] Italian restaurant and it's
[18:22] worldrenowned and you're you're busting
[18:24] at the seams, you know, and you're
[18:26] franchising and putting out cookbooks
[18:28] and everything. You got this one chef
[18:29] who's who's the kingpin of all of it,
[18:32] but you're afraid he's talking to your
[18:34] competitors.
[18:35] Now, you don't bump him off. What you do
[18:39] is you rough up a few of the bus boys
[18:41] and that sends a quick dad gum message
[18:43] that you need to shut your mouth. And I
[18:47] timing is everything and nothing happens
[18:49] by accident in Washington DC. To me, I
[18:51] think it's the timing is is it's uncanny
[18:55] that you got a president, you know,
[18:57] we've had these hearings in Washington.
[18:59] you have a president that says he's
[19:00] going to release stuff and all in that
[19:02] same time frame before and after that
[19:04] you're having some of these high um high
[19:07] ranking officials disappear and to me
[19:10] that's nobody disappears in this country
[19:12] unless they they want to disappear. You
[19:14] know, there's cameras everywhere and it
[19:16] just to me it's just um it reeks of uh
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[20:38] Limited time offer. Yeah, I thought one
[20:41] of the things that I thought of is one
[20:43] of the subjects that these people were
[20:46] all they're all working on different
[20:47] things, but they're working on
[20:48] alternative energy sources.
[20:50] >> Yeah, that's that's the um that's the
[20:52] the I'm sorry, I didn't mean to cut you
[20:54] off, but that's what ties them together,
[20:56] I think. And and two,
[20:59] >> um their one of them spouse said, "Oh,
[21:01] my husband or wife or whatever did
[21:04] anything with UFOs." Well, they don't
[21:05] talk about it. It's actually
[21:07] >> it's a pretty close-knit group. And uh I
[21:10] always remember this. I knock on doors.
[21:11] That's how I got elected. Nobody really
[21:13] there's not a lot of people like me that
[21:15] are come from a family of public
[21:16] educators that get elected to Congress.
[21:18] All right? Most of my contributions are
[21:20] $25 and somebody wraps a Bible verse
[21:22] around it and and tells me they're
[21:24] praying for me. The big boys, they're
[21:25] always for me the day after the
[21:27] election. All right? They always say,
[21:28] "Hey, let me write you a check." And we
[21:29] were with you all along. I always say,
[21:30] "Yeah, I felt it right there towards the
[21:32] end." you know, but but I'm knocking on
[21:34] this guy's door down in Farragut and um
[21:38] and he he's putting his flag out. He's
[21:39] an older gentleman. And I said I said,
[21:42] "Hey, brother, did you serve?" And he
[21:44] said, "No, you know, I mean, it's East
[21:46] Tennessee, you know." And he kind of
[21:47] held his head down, "No, I didn't. Um I
[21:49] didn't." And I said, he said, "I worked
[21:51] at Oakidge." And I said, "Brother," I
[21:53] said, "My daddy was on Okinawa when they
[21:55] dropped the bomb. They were getting
[21:56] ready to invade mainland Japan." I said,
[21:58] "If my mom and daddy were alive today,
[22:01] they would hug you because that's they
[22:04] put it together." And he told me, he
[22:06] said, "Tim," before I left, he said, "A
[22:08] funny thing." He said, "My wife worked
[22:11] there, too." And you know, I did, she
[22:14] worked on a um I think he said he was a
[22:17] fuse or something and she was the worked
[22:19] on the timer on the atomic bomb. He
[22:21] said, "And I didn't know what she did
[22:23] the entire time that we were working
[22:25] there." That's called
[22:26] compartmentalization. And that's what
[22:27] you have here. And if I can elaborate
[22:30] just a little bit more,
[22:31] >> the um
[22:33] >> you you're familiar with FOYA. I mean,
[22:35] you're a member of the media freedom of
[22:36] information act. And it means I can I
[22:38] can request from a federal agency, the
[22:40] FBI, they probably wouldn't give it to
[22:42] me, but any information, but I can't go
[22:44] after like Ford Motor Company. Okay. So,
[22:47] what they've done is they've given this
[22:49] information, these whatever if it's
[22:51] craft, if it's material, if it's bodies,
[22:53] I don't know a lot. I I have my
[22:55] suspicions, but they've given them to
[22:56] there's four or five major contractors
[22:58] that you see that are always the ones
[23:01] that are that are putting it out there.
[23:02] There are missile defense systems.
[23:04] They're they're coming up with this new
[23:05] metallurgy, these new propulsion
[23:07] systems. And I think that whatever they
[23:11] had, they gave to them early on and they
[23:14] they're the ones, but they're so far
[23:16] disconnected from the government that I
[23:18] can't touch it. And the people that are
[23:20] working on it, there's nobody alive
[23:23] around was around Roswell or any of that
[23:25] stuff that was in and around those years
[23:27] that's still alive or still working. So
[23:30] all those people are gone. I mean,
[23:31] that's the best that's the best secret
[23:32] you can keep if you tell somebody and
[23:34] they die. And that's that's exactly what
[23:37] they've done. And uh you know, we've
[23:39] been given um places, addresses, and
[23:44] things, and everybody says, "Oh man, go
[23:46] to you need to get out to Area 51,
[23:48] Burchett, and see what's out there."
[23:50] There ain't nothing at freaking Area 51.
[23:52] Soon as we announce where we're going,
[23:54] the U-Haul vans would have already been
[23:55] there and left, you know, and um and so
[23:58] what it's going to take is it's going to
[23:59] take a scientist or somebody that's
[24:02] going to have to walk out of one of
[24:03] those dadgum labs before they're um
[24:06] allowed to commit suicide. by shooting
[24:08] themselves in the back of the head 10
[24:09] times um with a shotgun or something. Um
[24:13] and so
[24:14] >> do you know the Bob Lazar story?
[24:16] >> I do. I do. I've never met Bob. I know
[24:19] um a buddy of mine I guess um friend of
[24:21] mine I think sort of broke that story.
[24:23] Um
[24:24] >> George Knap.
[24:25] >> Yeah. Nap. Nap. I'm sorry. I um haven't
[24:28] slept much in the last 48 hours, but
[24:30] yeah, George. I met him through all this
[24:31] and it was a big honor because I grew up
[24:33] watching George Knap. He's a cool guy.
[24:35] >> He's awesome.
[24:36] >> I love him. He comes to my office and we
[24:37] hang out and I mean great people get,
[24:40] you know, they get kind of stareyed when
[24:43] they see somebody like yourself or Kid
[24:44] Rock or somebody, but for me it was
[24:46] George Knap because I mean, you know,
[24:48] cuz I asked him I'd ask him stuff. He
[24:49] goes, "Yeah, that was a report I did
[24:50] when and and because I've, you know,
[24:53] >> yeah, he's very careful about what he
[24:55] says, too. He's not a guy who says
[24:57] anything that he can't
[24:58] >> and he documents it." You ever seen his
[25:00] files? I mean, it's just um it's a
[25:01] myriad of files. He's very even keeled
[25:04] and fair in the way he assesses things.
[25:07] He's not hyperbolic. The way he
[25:09] describes things is like as clean and as
[25:12] accurate as possible.
[25:14] >> He's not trying to sell t-shirts really.
[25:15] I He's a true journalist. I, you know, I
[25:18] I wish other people would look at a guy
[25:20] like that and say that's the way we need
[25:21] to go with journalism.
[25:23] >> A real journalist who didn't start off
[25:24] with this whole UFO thing. He didn't
[25:26] want to do I mean, he was an actual just
[25:27] regular journalist until Bob Lazar
[25:29] contacted him. Y
[25:30] >> and that story um we've I've had Bob on
[25:33] a couple of times. In fact, this is how
[25:36] popular this idea is in the American
[25:39] Zeitgeist.
[25:40] >> The Bazaar episode of this ep of this
[25:44] podcast is the most viewed episode that
[25:45] I've ever had on YouTube.
[25:47] >> Is that right?
[25:47] >> Yeah. It's got 65 66 66 million views
[25:51] right now.
[25:52] >> Wow.
[25:53] >> Yeah. I mean, a guy who's just talking
[25:56] about how he used to work at S4, Area
[26:00] 51, site 4, where he was back
[26:02] engineering UFOs,
[26:04] >> right?
[26:04] >> And there's a new documentary that he
[26:07] just did uh called S4 where they used
[26:10] CGI and they made models of the craft
[26:13] and they made him like they brought him,
[26:17] you know, they used this technology that
[26:18] makes it look like he's a lot younger.
[26:20] >> Yeah.
[26:20] >> And they showed like what his experience
[26:23] was. like completely recreated it and it
[26:25] down to a tea and I I Jamie and I got a
[26:28] chance to watch it with him with Bob and
[26:30] Luigi the guy who made the film and it
[26:32] was is I mean watching how emotional he
[26:35] gets when he's in the room he's like
[26:36] this is it this is this is I like it
[26:38] freaks me out it like brings me back cuz
[26:41] we're talking about 1988 1989 when all
[26:44] this was going on
[26:45] >> and he really you know I the last report
[26:47] I saw it was and somebody interviewed
[26:49] him in his house I mean he had like a
[26:51] mid80s Corvette or something, you know.
[26:54] He's not he not he hasn't cashed in on
[26:56] it like everybody else seems to do.
[26:58] >> No, he hasn't made any money off of it
[26:59] and he's still just a legitimate
[27:01] scientist. He runs United Nuclear Labs.
[27:03] He's, you know, that's what he does and
[27:05] he a brilliant guy and doesn't want the
[27:09] attention. Like I it was very difficult
[27:11] to get him to come back in a second
[27:12] time, you know, and he wanted to wait
[27:15] until this documentary was out and come
[27:16] in and talk again, but he got freaked
[27:18] out. He drank a lot of whiskey, you
[27:20] know. He was like he gets weirded out by
[27:21] it all. It's all like [clears throat] to
[27:23] him the whole experience was very
[27:24] surreal and strange and
[27:27] >> well you got you got to figure he's the
[27:28] one that escaped from all of it and is
[27:30] still alive and somehow he got out and
[27:32] was able to do it before they could
[27:34] silence him. They tried to discredit
[27:35] him, said he didn't work there. And then
[27:37] I think he produced check stubs even.
[27:39] >> Well, not just that. They tried to
[27:41] pretend that he never worked at Los
[27:42] Alamos Labs, but he was on the employee
[27:44] roster. There was there was a lot of
[27:45] stuff going on where they tried to
[27:46] discredit him. But he went public
[27:49] because he was afraid they were going to
[27:50] kill him. You know, cuz the initial one
[27:52] that he gave a fake name and he was a
[27:54] silhouette and he told his story, but
[27:55] then his home got broken into, his car
[27:58] was getting broken into, he got shot out
[28:00] on the highway. It got real weird. And
[28:02] so he said, "Look, I've got to go
[28:03] public." like like it might be the only
[28:04] way to protect myself and he told the
[28:06] whole story and he hasn't deviated from
[28:08] that story
[28:09] >> and that's that's what's really kind of
[28:11] crazy cuz it's been you know what 40ome
[28:14] years or close to
[28:15] >> these guys they ask those questions you
[28:17] know they always oh yeah well and they
[28:19] say was it red no it's green and then
[28:21] they were adamant that it was red 10
[28:23] years ago everything about him has been
[28:25] that he and I' I've seen
[28:27] >> um there was a documentary on him and
[28:29] they asked somebody to analyze him uh
[28:31] you know was he telling the truth or not
[28:33] and he
[28:34] I think he's telling the truth.
[28:35] >> Yeah, it doesn't seem like he's lying.
[28:37] But I mean,
[28:39] >> of course, I'm in the business. I'm in
[28:40] Congress. So, yeah, he's an amateur.
[28:43] We're professionals up there, brother.
[28:44] [laughter]
[28:45] You only think you can tell a lie.
[28:47] >> Yeah. They're not very good at it. The
[28:48] people in Congress that are liars, the
[28:50] problem with liars is they don't really
[28:54] have a good understanding of the truth.
[28:57] Because if you're lying all the time and
[28:59] you're forging this like fake narrative,
[29:02] people see that and so that when you try
[29:05] to say it as the truth, it doesn't come
[29:07] off like the truth. There's a feeling
[29:09] that people get when they talk to you.
[29:10] Now, there's some real crazy people that
[29:13] are that could just lie. Like really
[29:14] insane. But generally, they lie about a
[29:17] bunch of stuff. They don't just have one
[29:18] lie from 1989.
[29:20] >> The term pathological comes to mind. I'm
[29:22] Yes. You know that that bass was this
[29:24] big, you know. [laughter]
[29:26] Well, his story though, one of the
[29:29] interesting things is he was talking
[29:30] about the ways in which the craft moved
[29:33] and then decades later we have footage
[29:36] that shows these crafts rotating in the
[29:39] direction that they want to travel then
[29:40] zooming off. And then of course there
[29:42] was the Commander David Fraver incident
[29:45] off the coast of San Diego in 2004. And
[29:48] if that was our technology, the the
[29:51] thing that puzzles me is if we had
[29:53] something in 2004 that can go from
[29:56] 50,000 ft above sea level to sea level
[30:00] in under a second.
[30:02] I can't imagine that 22 years later
[30:05] there would be no advances that it would
[30:07] have leaked through into mainstream
[30:10] technology. Well, the energy just along
[30:12] that the energy it's um you know, we'd
[30:14] heat our homes in the winter and cool
[30:15] them in the summer, but then again, I
[30:18] always throw out the war pimps. I'm not
[30:20] my my daddy fought for this country and
[30:22] I'm I'm not and you know, that's their
[30:24] business is war and their business is
[30:25] very good. Um they they will quickly um
[30:29] you know, stand up and and and trash a
[30:32] guy like Favor. Um he was um he
[30:35] testified before our committee and I I
[30:37] was I was taken by what he said I know
[30:39] him pretty well now but we um
[30:41] [clears throat] you know we had the
[30:42] committee which was crazy. Uh we uh me
[30:47] and Luna and um a bunch of others got
[30:50] together and said, "Man, we got to do
[30:52] this committee. This is we need to do
[30:53] this." And so I went to the chairman and
[30:56] he said, [clears throat] "Sure." And
[30:57] then they sort of blew it off. And then
[31:00] then they want and I go see the staff of
[31:03] these committees. And that's that's the
[31:04] that's the real problem in Washington.
[31:06] Reagan said it best. Don't don't term
[31:08] limit politicians. Term limit staff. You
[31:11] know, I go in there and I'm told, "Yeah,
[31:13] well, I think we want to just talk about
[31:15] this Chinese hot air balloon is what we
[31:17] want to really talk about." I said, "No.
[31:19] Hell no. That's not excuse my language.
[31:21] Heck no. Um, we want to um we want to
[31:24] talk about dadum UFOs." What people are
[31:27] calling us about constantly. I mean, it
[31:29] was just getting so much airplay. And
[31:31] then, um, I was told by some old-timers,
[31:34] which was kind of cool. They said that,
[31:36] you know, Tim, I've been here, some of
[31:38] them been here 10, 15 years, and said
[31:40] that was the most attended committee
[31:41] that they could remember. They had to
[31:42] open up another room so people could be
[31:44] there. I walked out, I was on Fox that
[31:46] morning, and um u I I was going out. I
[31:50] left my office at 4:30 in the morning
[31:53] and I was outside and I remember it was
[31:55] hot because it was summertime and there
[31:57] was people already outside lining up
[32:00] that had come from all over the country
[32:02] on their own dime. I mean these weren't
[32:03] like wealthy people. I mean one guy said
[32:06] this is our vacation this year. were
[32:07] coming to this Dadgum committee meeting
[32:09] and and Joe they were lined up around
[32:11] the hall around everywhere and um that's
[32:14] where I met Sean Ryan and um a bunch of
[32:17] people and it was just it was amazing to
[32:19] me and that's when Congress started
[32:21] paying attention to it because they
[32:23] realized the voters are paying attention
[32:24] to it.
[32:25] >> Yeah. I mean that might be the only way
[32:27] to put pressure on them. the the thing
[32:29] about the alternative energy sources.
[32:31] What one of the things that I was
[32:33] thinking is that if you were involved in
[32:38] whatever petroleum like what whatever
[32:40] your business is and there's something
[32:42] put them out of business and the
[32:44] Pentagon that was my point on the
[32:46] Pentagon it would put them out of
[32:47] business put the oil companies out of
[32:49] business because they would even showing
[32:51] a dadum hate signature. You know, if a
[32:53] if a blackbird flies across my farm,
[32:55] it's going to put out a dum heat
[32:57] signature. And and through the um uh all
[33:01] the technology we had, you know, as they
[33:03] called them, the the tic tac
[33:05] >> tic tacs. Yeah. They look like the
[33:06] little little mint. And um and that's
[33:08] what they were.
[33:08] >> That's what Commander David Fraver saw.
[33:10] >> Yeah. And not only saw, but there's
[33:12] video footage of it. There's radar
[33:14] footage of it. It's exhibiting travel
[33:17] that's just beyond comprehension for
[33:19] modern technology, for current state
[33:21] technology. 100%.
[33:22] >> But if these people were working on some
[33:25] sort of new energy source or some sort
[33:28] of new propulsion system, and you've got
[33:31] to imagine there's a very small amount
[33:33] of people that are on the cutting edge
[33:35] of whatever this stuff is. If this is
[33:38] like groundbreaking technology that's
[33:41] not known by mainstream
[33:44] physicists or whoever's working on it
[33:46] and you only have a small group of
[33:47] people, if you whack one of them, you
[33:50] put a big stop to any progress,
[33:53] especially if you get the main people,
[33:55] the lead scientist, and that guy winds
[33:57] up getting assassinated or winds up in
[33:59] >> disappears. Yeah.
[34:00] >> Disappear. The one lady was the weird
[34:02] one. So, she's walking with her
[34:04] >> Was she hiking or something?
[34:05] >> Yes. walking with her friend. Uh her
[34:08] friend turns around and talks to her and
[34:10] then walks a little further, turns
[34:12] around to say something again and she's
[34:14] gone. Just gone. And they bring in dogs.
[34:17] They have cadaavver dogs. They they
[34:20] can't find her. There's no trace. No
[34:21] one's seen her since. And this lady was
[34:23] apparently, wasn't she, Jamie? Wasn't
[34:25] she involved in some sort of alter
[34:28] alternative technology? Alternative?
[34:30] >> Yeah, I think she she metallurgy was her
[34:34] deal. So you think these
[34:36] >> whatever this craft or whatever have to
[34:38] be
[34:38] >> something and I you know I I said this
[34:41] earlier on one time and it made a lot of
[34:43] sense. I was surprised that something I
[34:45] said did but it sort of stuck. You know
[34:47] it's like well why don't they just bring
[34:48] it all out now if they've got it. I
[34:50] don't think we've got the technology to
[34:52] figure out what the heck it is. Like I
[34:53] ride motorcycles. I got an old 47 Indian
[34:56] Chief. If I were to take that thing back
[34:58] to the when they came over in the
[35:00] Mayflower, right? You know, they would
[35:02] see it and think that's kind of unusual.
[35:04] They might worship his as a god. I know
[35:06] I sometimes do when I go out to the
[35:08] garage, but but uh but you know, they're
[35:11] going to they're not going to be able to
[35:13] adjust the valves. They're not going to
[35:14] know what the heck spark plug is. They
[35:16] probably wouldn't be able to figure out
[35:17] how to make a fuel with a high enough
[35:19] octane for the thing to kick over,
[35:21] >> right?
[35:21] >> Um and and I think that and they might
[35:24] polish it. They might get it started.
[35:26] And I think that's sort of where we're
[35:27] at with this stuff, Joe. I think it's uh
[35:30] I I think a lot of them have something
[35:32] and they just don't know what the heck
[35:34] to do with it.
[35:34] >> Well, that's Bob Lazar's take on it. And
[35:36] that was his take on it when he was
[35:37] working there in 1989. He said they
[35:40] understood how to turn it on. They
[35:42] didn't exactly understand how it worked
[35:45] or what it did. And they wanted him to
[35:47] try to figure it out. those guys that
[35:49] came to my house um they they talked
[35:52] about that and how these something could
[35:54] travel at these light years and and um
[35:57] one of them was an astrophysicist and
[35:59] and I don't really understand
[36:00] astrophysics but um it took me six years
[36:03] to get out of UT and I didn't drink or
[36:05] smoke pot so I'm just going to elaborate
[36:07] a little bit here if [laughter] that's
[36:08] all right with you brother have a degree
[36:10] in shop technological adult education I
[36:12] can fix your lawn mower I can burn your
[36:13] house down if you need it wired but I'll
[36:15] always have a job but so you got
[36:17] something vibrating ating over here and
[36:19] then instantly it's over here, right?
[36:21] >> And that that's sort of the way they
[36:22] explained it, put it on my level to
[36:24] understand it. And I mean to me it
[36:26] proves that there's a God. I mean
[36:27] because it's an instantaneous travel
[36:29] that we don't quite comprehend. Now is
[36:32] there friction involved? Is and and
[36:34] that's where the um um when they see
[36:37] these blobs out there that are floating
[36:39] around um they um that are lit up. I've
[36:43] had several people tell me about that
[36:44] how these um there was one incident
[36:48] where they surrounded a group of our
[36:50] aircraft and um and it was dur and a lot
[36:55] of them deal with nuclear weapons. It
[36:57] seems that we're around some nukes.
[36:58] We've had I always remember I went in
[37:01] and um it's been a long time since you
[37:03] had a man bun. So I'm going I'm going to
[37:05] knock on this. had this bureaucrat with
[37:07] a dad gum man bun telling telling me I
[37:09] asked him about a certain incident and
[37:11] he said we don't have data points on
[37:13] that congressman and I said what about
[37:14] this deal and he said I don't know what
[37:16] you're talking about I said well google
[37:17] it everybody in the world knows about we
[37:19] had a we had a nuclear power plant that
[37:22] had these things fly over and the dad
[37:24] gum thing shut down I mean it's been
[37:26] documented it has been documented
[37:28] unequivocally and you know and and
[37:31] that's that and then then you have
[37:33] members of Congress go well they said it
[37:34] didn't exist so we're out you know, I'm
[37:36] good. And I'm like, no, no. I'm sitting
[37:38] there reading these officers that are
[37:41] obviously very I read people. God gives
[37:45] us all a gift. My gift is reading
[37:47] somebody. And I was reading these these
[37:49] military officers and, you know, they
[37:50] had the full in they had all of it. You
[37:52] know, they'd been serving for a while
[37:54] and some of them had done some things.
[37:56] And um I could just sit there reading
[37:57] them. They're thinking this little twerp
[37:59] right here beside me. I'd choke him out
[38:01] if I could. You know, I mean, they were
[38:03] just like they were angry. No, not at
[38:05] me. At him at him because they wanted to
[38:08] tell something and this was a Biden
[38:09] appointee and you know it just
[38:12] >> and and and and that's a lot of the
[38:14] times we I was in one situation I'll
[38:17] just call it where they sent somebody in
[38:19] basically just to disrupt and you know
[38:22] to throw at a at at at a witness and um
[38:27] and that witness just it was like a he
[38:29] was like a pro ball player hitting
[38:31] T-ball man. He was just knocking them
[38:33] out of the dad gum park every said what
[38:35] about and he gave a date and he said oh
[38:37] you're talking about this incident well
[38:39] let me tell you what happened there and
[38:40] and he would go through everything and
[38:43] it was and it was beautiful it was
[38:44] beautiful and then he got disgusted and
[38:47] end up leaving the meeting and you know
[38:49] and and that's they they send people in
[38:51] to disrupt they're just not going to
[38:53] turn and I don't know if the fact that
[38:55] and and the corruption in Washington DC
[38:57] is not like it used to be you know it's
[38:59] not like oh I got a picture of you
[39:01] sleeping with some hooker over in
[39:03] Istanbul, you know, oh, make copies. I
[39:05] want to take it to my buddies. I mean,
[39:07] that's about the that's about what you'd
[39:08] get now. But way it is now is I think is
[39:12] that some members have a family member
[39:15] or a wife and or girlfriend that could
[39:18] work for one of these groups
[39:20] >> and they're told,
[39:21] >> "Hey, you want to keep your dad gum job
[39:23] or you want these pictures to come out
[39:25] or whatever? I we need a little help
[39:27] here." And then they go disrupt and come
[39:29] into the committee meetings and ask
[39:31] ridiculous questions to try to get a a
[39:33] partisan fight going.
[39:35] >> And maybe some of them do it unbeknownst
[39:37] to them what they're being told to do,
[39:39] but they do it because they're they're
[39:41] just lap dogs.
[39:42] >> So there's a strategy where they have a
[39:44] bunch of people that they sort of
[39:45] compromise as disruptors and they
[39:48] >> and they are compromised. Exactly.
[39:50] That's the word. I I was on a I'm going
[39:53] to say another one. I was on the Benny
[39:55] show early when he was early on and um
[39:58] and I was talking
[39:59] >> Johnson.
[39:59] >> Yeah. Yeah.
[40:00] >> Um and so um he's been very kind to me
[40:03] and so he um he asked me about how do
[40:05] they do it and I said, "Well, they used
[40:06] to do this thing called the honeypot.
[40:08] You know, they you'd go to some you go
[40:10] on I never go on trips. The only trip
[40:12] I've ever been on a Kodell was to uh the
[40:15] border down here uh down in Texas. And I
[40:18] um I went down for one day, flew down
[40:21] here, saw the border, saw all the people
[40:23] coming over the border, got in an
[40:25] airplane, flew home. I was it was about
[40:26] 18-hour trip. It wasn't any luxurious. I
[40:28] stayed in a room that my buddies at the
[40:30] frat house would have probably asked for
[40:32] our money back in. It was pretty rough,
[40:34] you know. Got some good barbecue,
[40:35] though. But anyway, so I um these guys
[40:39] go on these trips and say you're sitting
[40:42] down at the bar. I mean, you're a
[40:43] good-looking guy. some girl comes up to
[40:46] you or some guy, whatever your interest,
[40:48] whatever your proclivities are and
[40:50] laughing at your jokes and you know,
[40:52] next thing you know, you're up in the
[40:53] bedroom,
[40:54] >> right,
[40:54] >> naked with them. And then you think,
[40:56] man, I pulled off the great I pulled
[40:57] this off. I was with this smoke show and
[40:59] my wife and kids don't know about it and
[41:02] I'm just going to, you know, me I'm just
[41:04] just me just between me and the Lord.
[41:06] And then you know you're getting ready
[41:07] to make a key vote and one and a staffer
[41:10] comes up or or a lobbyist or something.
[41:12] You're in the hall and says, "Hey,
[41:14] congressman said 'Yeah man, how's it
[41:16] going?" I said, 'He got this big vote.
[41:17] Yeah, but I I'm not for y'all on this
[41:19] one. Okay, we understand. He said, "Hey,
[41:21] um were you in a motel room in in
[41:24] Istanbul with a pretty red head one
[41:26] time?" And they and they say, "Man, I
[41:29] don't want that out. It'll wreck my No,
[41:30] we don't want it out. We don't We just
[41:31] need your help." And that's how they
[41:33] sink their claws into you. They used to
[41:35] and they might do that now. But I was on
[41:37] the Benny show and I was talking about
[41:38] that. Oh man, I caught it from I mean as
[41:42] leadership and members, man, everybody
[41:44] thinks we're sleeping. I said I didn't
[41:46] say everybody. I just said some of y'all
[41:47] are. I said, you know, don't don't and
[41:50] every day you can there's a new one
[41:51] getting in trouble. So it's not any big
[41:53] secret. Um 435 of us. So
[41:57] >> you get 435 people. You're going to have
[41:59] a few freaks in there. Ouch. [laughter]
[42:02] 435 group of any human beings.
[42:05] >> Yeah. Any you go to
[42:06] >> especially, you know, if you can
[42:08] compromise a man with beautiful women,
[42:10] it's not that hard to do.
[42:11] >> Or if they're if they're gay and they
[42:13] don't want it out in their in their
[42:15] public or whatever. So
[42:17] >> I I said this to Benny and and I and I
[42:20] caught it and then about a week later a
[42:22] week later and I I said it's probably
[42:24] the Chinese, the Russians or something.
[42:26] They busted a Chinese prostitution ring.
[42:28] And what did they list as their
[42:30] clientele? [laughter]
[42:32] Lobbyists, government employees, and
[42:36] politicians,
[42:37] >> of course.
[42:37] >> And then what happened the next week?
[42:39] That story went away. And Benny had does
[42:41] this thing. He showed me walking out and
[42:43] he like I throw a match and the and the
[42:46] whatever behind me just burst into
[42:47] flames and I'm walking out, you know.
[42:49] It's really cool. And um uh he also did
[42:52] a song of me singing Dad Gum, which is
[42:53] my cuss. I don't cuss, I say Dad Gum.
[42:55] and he did that. But anyway, but that
[42:57] was my point is that they use this stuff
[42:59] and they know what we want. They, you
[43:01] know, these guys, these countries, they
[43:03] know uh they own the internet, so they
[43:06] know which porn you look at at your in
[43:07] the privacy of your home that you think
[43:09] you're, you know, you got this private
[43:11] name on your freaking computer and they
[43:13] know, you know, and so that's what
[43:15] they're going to hit you with. So
[43:17] anyway, that's that's a long story, but
[43:19] it's I think mostly it's just jobs now.
[43:22] >> Mostly jobs and influence and figuring
[43:23] out Well, you think about you get a dirt
[43:25] bag, you're going to get him to sleep
[43:26] with some hooker. You know, that that's
[43:28] going to happen, you know, eventually,
[43:30] too. But I just don't I don't know if
[43:32] it's that prevalent. And I had a
[43:33] lobbyist tell me one time,
[43:35] >> he was uh his name was Tom Hensley. He
[43:37] was the golden goose. He was a liquor
[43:39] lobbyist in Nashville, Tennessee. And he
[43:40] was a caricature of what a lobbyist is.
[43:42] He three-piece suit, big old cowboy
[43:44] boots, smoking a cigar. And we were at
[43:47] the Crown Plaza. He liked me because I
[43:50] never would vote for his liquor bills,
[43:51] but I never would vote for a tax on them
[43:53] either. So, um he he um he we were there
[43:57] and the guy from the governor's office
[43:59] came and just chewed both of us out, you
[44:01] know, just treated me. I'm a legislator
[44:02] and he was treating me like a dog and I
[44:04] and he and Goose is sitting back there
[44:06] and he had that fancy Jack Daniels black
[44:09] label or whatever it is that the fancy
[44:10] version of it is cuz he represented Jack
[44:12] Daniels made in Tennessee. And he pulls
[44:15] that big $5 cigar out of mouth and he
[44:17] goes, "Burch it." He goes, "Governors
[44:20] come and go, but the old goose will be
[44:22] sitting right here." And he said, I
[44:23] said, 'What are he gonna do? Is he gonna
[44:25] shut you down, man? All these, you gonna
[44:26] tell these people stuff? He goes,
[44:28] Burgett, I just need one chairman. I
[44:30] don't need the whole in one body of the
[44:32] house, you know, the House or the
[44:34] Senate. I just need one chairman that'll
[44:36] listen to me. And he wasn't saying he
[44:38] never did anything crooked in front of
[44:39] me and he never offered me any bribes or
[44:41] anything, right? But that was a good
[44:43] lesson to learn as a young man when I
[44:45] was in the state legislature. Well, if
[44:47] you just think about how much money
[44:48] Congress people wind up leaving office
[44:51] with, just that alone is incentive to
[44:53] play ball.
[44:54] >> Wait a minute. You don't mean you don't
[44:55] think we're making 16,000% on our own
[44:57] knowledge? [laughter]
[45:00] >> I got my daughter called me a while back
[45:03] and said, "Dad, um, and she's super
[45:05] smart. She's do anything. I'm
[45:08] veterinarian doctor. I brain surgeon.
[45:10] She's crazy smart. I married my wife and
[45:12] adopted her. My wife was a widow, so
[45:14] genetically she's not mine. But when she
[45:16] gets into trouble, my wife says, "That's
[45:17] all you, Tim Burton." But she's a
[45:20] exceptional little girl. And she said,
[45:21] "Dad, I think I'd just like to cut
[45:23] hair." And I was like, "Right on, girl.
[45:26] You go undo it." And u and that's what
[45:28] she does. I mean, she's she's going to
[45:30] school to do that. So, I cashed out my
[45:32] $11,000 portfolio, which was a mutual
[45:35] fund because I think and I don't own any
[45:38] individual stocks, but I think that
[45:40] members of Congress ought to do that.
[45:41] That was my bill. You don't own more
[45:43] people, Joe. more people have played
[45:45] professional baseball than have ever
[45:48] been in in Congress. Um, you know, it's
[45:51] it's a very it's a very tight it's a
[45:54] very and I tell people if you don't get
[45:55] off that dad gum plane and look at that
[45:57] capital and get chill bumps, you need to
[45:59] get your butt back on that plane and go
[46:01] home because we don't need you there.
[46:03] And everybody knocks on Pelosi and I
[46:05] know that. But out of the top 10, you
[46:06] know where she is in the in the amount
[46:09] of trades,
[46:10] >> where is she at?
[46:11] >> Number 11. She's not even in the top 10,
[46:14] dude.
[46:14] >> Well, she should get a better PR person.
[46:16] >> It's crazy cuz everybody uses her as an
[46:18] example.
[46:18] >> I know, but she don't care. I mean, if
[46:20] you were making 16,000%, would you care?
[46:23] >> Oh, I would be a little concerned that
[46:25] someone would come for me.
[46:26] >> Ah, she's all right. She
[46:27] >> Well, it's just bizarre that it's legal.
[46:29] That's the most bizarre.
[46:30] >> Oh, it's it's it's it's not right. It's
[46:33] not right, but it's it's it's legal. And
[46:35] I just said, "Look, you cash out
[46:37] everything. You put it in a mutual fund.
[46:39] And I know they got this bill and
[46:41] everybody's all fired up for it. And I'm
[46:43] not a I'm don't know what I'm going to
[46:44] do about it. I'm bill. They got a new
[46:46] bill. They don't like my bill. Mine and
[46:48] Luna's bill that says that you um you
[46:50] can't own individual stocks. Just own a
[46:52] mutual fund. They're going to let you
[46:54] keep your portfolio. So, and some of
[46:56] these cats got a $20 million dad gum
[46:58] portfolio.
[46:59] >> And they made $170,000 a year, which is
[47:02] amazing. Imagine the average person out
[47:04] there making $170,000 and all a sudden
[47:07] they make
[47:09] >> a hundred million
[47:10] >> in the stock market.
[47:12] >> And we're we're involved
[47:14] and I not all of them are crooked. Some
[47:16] of them are they are geniuses. I've been
[47:18] in Congress with some real geniuses but
[47:21] you know if you see I'll give you a case
[47:22] in point. All right? And I've said this
[47:24] many times and nobody's
[47:27] uh come after me and said you know they
[47:29] told me to quit saying it but I don't
[47:30] care. I got a dag on first amendment. I
[47:32] don't care. They can't they come to
[47:34] knock to East Tennessee and try to beat
[47:35] me. But but they um if if uh uh I forgot
[47:41] what I was saying now, man. I've lost my
[47:42] mind. I guess that's part you're going
[47:43] to have to cut out.
[47:44] >> Oh, no. It's We're talking about insider
[47:46] trading. We're talking about the amount
[47:47] of money that people generate.
[47:50] That's where we're at. We're talking
[47:52] about
[47:52] >> genius. Someone's a genius. Really good
[47:54] at it.
[47:55] >> Yeah. I'm trying to think. I forgot it.
[47:56] I've got so many oneliners in my head,
[47:58] Joe. [laughter] I should have written
[47:59] all these down. Written all these down.
[48:00] But anyway, um they they all not not all
[48:04] of them are crooked. Some of them are
[48:06] are really are that good. But I'm sure
[48:08] >> but Oh, I know what it was. It was it
[48:10] was um uh when Russia and invaded
[48:14] Ukraine. I haven't voted for a dime for
[48:16] that. It's not our dad gum war. I don't
[48:18] I I keep keep my dollars here. We need
[48:21] to defend our own dad gum borders. Well,
[48:24] Joe Biden, for better for worse, gave
[48:26] Ukraine basically our missile defense
[48:28] system. So immediately we had to
[48:31] replenish our missile defense system.
[48:33] Now who do you think owns stock in that
[48:35] in those missile defense systems?
[48:39] Members of Congress.
[48:40] >> Yeah.
[48:40] >> Members of Congress. And apparently some
[48:42] of them had bought it at at fairly close
[48:46] to those time periods. And so
[48:49] >> I don't know. Are they doing something
[48:50] crooked? I don't I mean you can't prove
[48:52] it.
[48:52] >> Well, if it's not crooked, they know
[48:54] things that would help them.
[48:56] >> And I just they are remove all reproach.
[48:58] And if you if you got a $20 million
[49:00] portfolio or whatever, some probably
[49:02] have more than that, you know good and
[49:04] dad gum well, you're going to vote. It's
[49:06] in the back of your mind, you're going
[49:08] to vote to make my my investment worth a
[49:11] little more.
[49:12] >> Yeah. So, the possibility of financial
[49:16] windfall would probably make people play
[49:20] ball,
[49:22] >> which makes sense. Which makes sense.
[49:23] Sure. Human nature. You got you got guys
[49:26] up there that are that, you know,
[49:28] they've got they got expenses at home,
[49:32] got a couple kids in school, got
[49:34] payments on a house, you know, and
[49:36] >> $170,000 doesn't go as far as it used
[49:38] to, I guess.
[49:39] >> And they just human nature. You want
[49:42] more. People want more. They they want,
[49:45] you know, whatever it is.
[49:47] >> And a lot of times it's not them
[49:48] investing, it's their,
[49:50] >> you know, their wife or their spouse.
[49:52] And we've seen cases of that where,
[49:55] >> you know, a 16-year-old kid is
[49:58] >> doing pretty well,
[49:59] >> right? And it's a child of someone who
[50:01] has some inside information. There's
[50:03] something that just came out yesterday
[50:04] about Roana, this a guy Kevin Bass uh on
[50:08] Twitter posted this big long he this
[50:11] examination of his stock trades and how
[50:14] much money he's made and how he's made
[50:16] it and what he's done. And there's I
[50:18] mean it's just all over Congress. It's
[50:21] you have inside information. That's what
[50:24] it is.
[50:24] >> That's disappointing. I know, Ro. But,
[50:26] you know,
[50:27] >> I don't know if it's true.
[50:27] >> Yeah. I don't know. I mean, you could
[50:29] pull it up if you want, Jamie. It's uh
[50:31] Kevin Bass, B A S. It's Bass or Bass.
[50:35] I'm not sure how to pronounce his last
[50:36] name, but he made this very detailed
[50:39] post about it. But, I mean, that's just
[50:41] one example of one person who's
[50:43] profited. I'm sure it's probably minor
[50:47] in comparison to the other 11 that are
[50:49] ahead of Nancy Pelosi.
[50:50] >> I sleep on my couch in my office and I
[50:53] shower in the gym. I don't have a place.
[50:55] I can't afford it. It's too expensive up
[50:58] there. I was so When I got elected with
[51:00] a guy one time and he said when we got
[51:02] elected, he said, "Hey Burch, I just
[51:04] paid $1.2 million for this place. What
[51:06] do you think?" And I know he was just
[51:07] bragging to me, you know, because I no
[51:09] way I could do something like that. And
[51:11] he said, um, and I said, "Well, probably
[51:13] in a couple years they're going to say,
[51:14] I can't believe you only paid $1.2
[51:16] million for it because, damn, the price
[51:17] of that that real estate up there is
[51:19] just crazy. It is crazy." And
[51:23] it's a rich man's game. It is really a
[51:26] rich man's game.
[51:26] >> And the problem with being around rich
[51:28] men is even if you're rich, you don't
[51:31] feel like you're rich if you're in
[51:33] comparison to them. And so if you're
[51:35] worth a couple million and this guy over
[51:37] here is worth 50, you're like, "Damn, I
[51:38] got to up my game.
[51:39] >> I got to up my game." you're in this
[51:41] sort of culture, this culture of a bunch
[51:44] of people that are investing a bunch of
[51:45] money and making a bunch of returns and
[51:47] >> and I I'll tell you one it was a public
[51:49] meeting. I remember it was in
[51:50] transportation that we dealt with some
[51:52] technology in an airport and it was
[51:53] pretty cool and um I just asked the
[51:56] question I said uh is that is your stock
[51:59] publicly traded? And you know, I looked
[52:02] I was watching people see what they did.
[52:03] Then they all looked up, you know, and I
[52:05] thought, note to self, call my broker
[52:07] when I walk out of here. You know,
[52:09] [laughter]
[52:12] >> it's just very odd that that has been
[52:15] legal for so long. That's what's very
[52:17] odd.
[52:17] >> It's disgusting. And all here's what
[52:19] we're going to do. We'll pass some bill
[52:21] and the Senate will pass another bill or
[52:23] phone just won't take it up, which is
[52:25] we're seeing a lot of now. won't take
[52:26] anything up and it'll die and we'll all
[52:29] go back back to um our people and say,
[52:32] "Oh, look, I tried to do this. I voted
[52:34] for this bill, but you know, I didn't
[52:35] get a I didn't get a dead gum break, you
[52:38] know, and and look how tough we are."
[52:40] And and or or you know, and and they'll
[52:42] all be up at Kenny Bunkport sipping
[52:45] expensive wine and toasting each other
[52:47] on their great financial choices.
[52:49] >> That's where Bush is from, right?
[52:51] >> I don't know. I think so. Yeah. Yeah.
[52:52] >> I think they're from Kenny Bunkport,
[52:54] Maine.
[52:54] >> Yeah. I just threw that one out. It's
[52:56] the only place I could think of, Myrtle
[52:58] Beach, South Carolina for somebody like
[53:00] me would be pretty cool.
[53:01] >> So, one of the things about this uh
[53:03] disclosure thing, um the documentary uh
[53:06] Age of Disclosure. Yeah. And you're in
[53:08] that.
[53:08] >> Um it's really great. If you haven't
[53:10] seen it, folks, and you're interested in
[53:12] the UFO phenomenon, one of the
[53:15] fascinating uh aspects about age of
[53:18] disclosure is you got all these insider
[53:20] people that are all talking about all
[53:22] these different experiences that people
[53:23] have had and all this stuff that people
[53:24] know. And one subject came up that made
[53:30] a lot of sense and it was that if there
[53:33] have been back engineering programs and
[53:35] they've have had access to all this
[53:38] technology and they've had crashed
[53:41] vehicles and biological entities and
[53:44] they've been all these programs studying
[53:46] this for so long they had to have
[53:48] funding. So if they had funding that
[53:50] means they had to lie to Congress. So if
[53:52] they had a lie to Congress there's
[53:53] misappropriation of funds. So you're
[53:54] talking about massive fel felonies. So
[53:56] if they don't have some sort of amnesty,
[54:00] and this is one of the things that's
[54:01] pushed throughout this entire
[54:02] documentary is that we need some kind of
[54:05] mass amnesty.
[54:07] >> I'm a very skeptical person. I see
[54:09] something like that, I'm like, "Okay, I
[54:10] see what you're doing. You are talking
[54:13] about UFOs so you can get some sort of
[54:17] amnesty for misappropriation of funds."
[54:19] And that might just be straight up
[54:21] fraud. There might be fraud and theft
[54:25] and you might have moved money into
[54:26] offshore accounts and there's must might
[54:29] a bunch of shady and you could say,
[54:31] "Oh, but we'll tell you some very
[54:34] obscure information about UAPs." I don't
[54:38] like that term because it was always
[54:39] UFOs.
[54:40] >> UFOs. That was that was a misdirection.
[54:42] I hate that term.
[54:43] >> Why do we need a new name? We've already
[54:45] had that name forever.
[54:47] UFOs is fun. UAPs makes me this feels
[54:50] sanitized. [snorts]
[54:51] >> But if they can give you some
[54:55] you know, semi shady information. Now
[54:58] you've got amnesty. Now you've got
[55:00] amnesty. And you've got amnesty for
[55:03] decades of misappropriation of funds. So
[55:06] maybe
[55:07] >> some of it is real. Maybe a lot of it is
[55:09] real. Maybe a lot of it is really back
[55:12] engineering programs. Maybe they really
[55:13] have been doing these things. and maybe
[55:15] they can give us slowly trickle down
[55:18] some insight as to what's going on.
[55:20] It'll probably take forever if you ever
[55:21] get anything out of it. But in the
[55:23] meantime, all these people that have
[55:25] made who knows how much money in shady
[55:29] ways with all this misappropriation of
[55:31] funds and now they're not in trouble
[55:33] anymore.
[55:34] >> Yeah. Representative Eric Berles has a
[55:36] bill to do just that and it was but it's
[55:38] it's whistleblower protection is the way
[55:41] you need to go about that. M
[55:42] >> and um and and he can't he's tried to
[55:46] get it attached to bills and he we just
[55:49] won't allow it. They won't allow it or
[55:51] they put it on and kill it in the
[55:52] Senate. You know, it's the same old
[55:53] game, Joe, [snorts] back and forth. So
[55:55] then the other problem that's brought up
[55:57] in age of disclosure is say if you do
[56:01] have a retrieved craft from wherever
[56:06] another planet another dimension
[56:08] whatever it is from the ocean whatever
[56:10] it is and you need to study this thing.
[56:13] What where are you bringing it to? Most
[56:15] likely you're going to bring it to a
[56:17] weapons manufacturing company
[56:18] >> 100%.
[56:19] >> And so if you do that well what about
[56:21] the other companies? They don't have
[56:22] access to that. Well then they can sue.
[56:24] are thinking why didn't I get access to
[56:26] that sort of technology why does this
[56:28] person you've damaged my business or you
[56:31] know what have you and also people have
[56:34] probably lied under oath about whether
[56:36] or not those things exist or what where
[56:39] they got certain technologies
[56:41] I mean there's a bunch of different
[56:43] reasons why you could see why logical
[56:46] reasons why you could see why they would
[56:48] try to try to put the brakes on
[56:49] disclosure and try to put some blockades
[56:51] up and try to obiscate and make things
[56:54] much more difficult to get through.
[56:56] >> I agree
[56:58] 100%. And that's why I think these folks
[57:01] disappearing and dying unexpect
[57:02] unexpectedly are
[57:04] >> Yeah.
[57:04] >> are delivering some of those messages.
[57:06] >> Yeah. It's
[57:07] >> and members of Congress will um you
[57:10] know, several of the people that have
[57:11] been involved that are really heavily
[57:13] into it now, they were real skeptics. We
[57:15] kind of brought them in. I needed some
[57:17] skeptics. It couldn't just all be a
[57:19] bunch of folks that thought like I did.
[57:21] and um and they're now not skeptics.
[57:24] >> Can you give me some examples of like
[57:25] how that happened?
[57:26] >> Yeah. Uh well, we had a committee
[57:28] meeting and um my buddy Eric Burlson for
[57:30] instance, he was he was a skeptic and um
[57:34] and and I mean I'm a skeptic of a lot of
[57:36] it myself, but I just have been studying
[57:38] for sedum along and he um you know he he
[57:42] was in the committee and and he's asking
[57:45] very poignant sharp questions which is
[57:48] what you're supposed to do in a hearing.
[57:50] and um he you know he's he's one of the
[57:54] biggest advocates now for total release
[57:56] of every of everything matter he's he's
[57:59] always at the forefront of writing
[58:01] legislation when we're doing something
[58:02] we're always me him and Luna um Jared
[58:06] Moscowitz and the and the on the
[58:08] Democrat side is is involved in it a lot
[58:11] and uh you know and and other members
[58:13] will come in and say hey can um I want
[58:16] to be read into this committee or what
[58:18] which means they can come on when we do
[58:20] the UFO stuff, but nothing really had
[58:22] the impact as that first committee
[58:24] meeting. And I told people at the end of
[58:27] it, I was recognized at the end. I said
[58:29] the one thing about and Nancy Mace, of
[58:31] course, she's involved with as well. And
[58:33] one thing um at the end I said, you
[58:36] know, find I just want y'all to know
[58:37] that that people do believe you. This is
[58:39] not some crazy far out thing. And you
[58:42] all are have a right to be skeptical and
[58:46] and and ask questions of your government
[58:48] and get these answers because
[58:51] we're not going to give it to you
[58:52] without without y'all without y'all
[58:54] being there and raising these questions.
[58:56] >> Well, there's too many stories from too
[58:58] many credible people, too many people
[59:00] like Ryan Graves, too many people like
[59:01] Commander David Fraver. There's too many
[59:03] people that you just go, I don't know
[59:05] why this person would lie about this one
[59:07] thing.
[59:07] >> Can Can I tell you one that I got on?
[59:09] Um, I was in the state legislature with
[59:11] a guy and uh and he was watching um
[59:17] Unknown Aliens or something and they
[59:19] they film you one time and then they use
[59:21] you for like three years. Ancient
[59:23] Aliens.
[59:23] >> Ancient Aliens. I'm sorry. Great. I love
[59:26] that show. I love those guys. They're
[59:27] all great. I love it. I love it.
[59:29] >> Shout out to Giorgio Giorgio Suclair.
[59:33] >> I love that guy. He's I think he's
[59:34] Greek. I need to get him to Knoxville
[59:36] for for the Greek festival. But anyway,
[59:38] he'd [snorts] be a rock star there. But
[59:40] so, um, uh, again, we're, you know, I'm
[59:44] losing my my train of thought here, Joe.
[59:46] I don't even smoke weed and I'm losing
[59:48] my train of thought. What were we
[59:49] talking about here? I hope you edit some
[59:50] of this cuz I look We're talking
[59:52] about disclosure. We're talking about
[59:54] things that people see.
[59:56] >> Yeah. Yeah. I was telling you about So,
[59:57] I'm I pick up the phone and buddy of
[59:59] mine says, "Timbo." And I recognized the
[01:00:02] voice. I said, "Hey, brother. What are
[01:00:03] you up to?" We were in the state house
[01:00:04] together. He said, 'I just saw you on
[01:00:06] Ancient Aliens.' And I said, 'Okay.'
[01:00:08] [laughter] And I thought, here it comes.
[01:00:10] You know, [snorts] hey, you've been
[01:00:11] probed lately. You know, you get that
[01:00:12] stuff from some of the guys gals in
[01:00:14] Congress.
[01:00:15] >> And he said, "Can I tell you a story?"
[01:00:17] And I said, "Sure, buddy." And his voice
[01:00:19] kind of got quiet.
[01:00:20] >> And I remember he hollered at his wife.
[01:00:22] He said, "Hey." Said her name. He said,
[01:00:25] "Uh, when what year was that?" Is when
[01:00:27] he was in the Navy. And she said it was.
[01:00:29] And she gave the date. It was I think in
[01:00:31] the 50s. And [clears throat] he was out
[01:00:33] on a boat. and I don't know, you know,
[01:00:35] battleship from an aircraft carrier, but
[01:00:37] anyway, he's out on a boat and they were
[01:00:39] arming a sub with um with nukes. It was
[01:00:42] in the early part of that where the subs
[01:00:44] could launch nuclear weapons and they
[01:00:46] were all out on the deck and all of a
[01:00:48] sudden it got there's just a cloud over
[01:00:51] them. He said he looked up and he saw
[01:00:54] this humongous saucer in the air and he
[01:00:57] said he said Timbo he said if that thing
[01:01:00] wasn't two block if that thing wasn't
[01:01:02] two blocks long I I'll kiss your butt
[01:01:05] and I said and and he described it to me
[01:01:07] you know he said he gave the color and
[01:01:09] he and it was the classic saucer he said
[01:01:11] there was lights coming out of portals
[01:01:13] around it and he said it made no noise
[01:01:16] whatsoever and it just sat there and
[01:01:18] hovered and they just looked up at it
[01:01:21] and then it just went it just went
[01:01:24] straight up. No noise, no nothing, no
[01:01:27] anything. And um I mean I was just like,
[01:01:29] "What the heck was that?" You know, and
[01:01:32] so when they get back to port, [snorts]
[01:01:34] the guys in the suits come on the the
[01:01:37] you know, the so-called men in black. I
[01:01:39] just they're just spooks CIA or
[01:01:41] something and told them they said, "This
[01:01:43] is national security. if you talk about
[01:01:44] this uh we'll um you'll be in
[01:01:48] Levvenworth the rest of your dad lives
[01:01:49] busting rocks and back then that you
[01:01:51] know nobody the cell phone wasn't
[01:01:53] invented Al Gore hadn't invented the
[01:01:54] internet yet.
[01:01:55] >> What year was this?
[01:01:56] >> It would have been in the uh the 50s
[01:01:58] late 50s late 50s I believe [snorts] or
[01:02:01] early 60s. So, and then but he gave me
[01:02:04] some descriptions and after this came
[01:02:06] out, I mean my phone, Joe, every day
[01:02:09] when this started breaking, I would get
[01:02:11] somebody would call me and send me
[01:02:13] pictures of something, you know, that's
[01:02:14] like a reflection or something, you
[01:02:16] know, and oh, come out to my house. All
[01:02:18] right, I'm afraid I was going to end up
[01:02:19] in a freezer in North Carolina or
[01:02:21] something, you know, [laughter] be
[01:02:22] somebody's dinner. And I was like,
[01:02:24] [snorts] I don't want to go out there
[01:02:24] and look at it. Just send me a picture
[01:02:26] of it. And every day, but then I get I
[01:02:28] got a call from a guy who was Air Force
[01:02:29] and I and I I Googled him. He's legit.
[01:02:32] And he told me about a um a sighting he
[01:02:35] had. He was out um they were out fishing
[01:02:38] um in Florida and and it was near where
[01:02:41] one of the military bases was and this
[01:02:43] thing and he described exactly what my
[01:02:47] buddy had seen and this he saw this in
[01:02:49] the um I think the early 80s and or late
[01:02:52] 70s and he described this craft that was
[01:02:55] just hovering and it was just going
[01:02:57] along and these then you know it was
[01:03:00] just going on a pretty good click and he
[01:03:01] said these jets were trying to keep up
[01:03:03] with it. he could tell by the, you know,
[01:03:05] because he's an Air Force guy and
[01:03:07] [snorts] he was an officer and um it was
[01:03:09] legitimate and I've since read the story
[01:03:12] that he told, but um but it was it was
[01:03:17] strangely identical
[01:03:20] >> in the the the color,
[01:03:22] >> the you know, the texture was it was an
[01:03:25] off gray, I believe. And um and but it
[01:03:28] didn't really matter, but it was just
[01:03:30] the same one that they said. could have
[01:03:31] been chartreuse for all I know. But they
[01:03:34] um but the the the size and the uh
[01:03:37] circumference and the um the the dome on
[01:03:41] top and the port holes and just
[01:03:43] everything was just very very similar to
[01:03:46] what this guy had told me about just a
[01:03:48] few weeks prior. And you when you see
[01:03:51] identical things of people that have no
[01:03:52] contact with each other to me that that
[01:03:55] says something. And with these pilots
[01:03:57] they're risking their careers to come
[01:03:58] forward. And those engineers in Age of
[01:04:00] Discovery that come forward, their their
[01:04:03] reputations and everything are on the
[01:04:04] line,
[01:04:04] >> right? These aren't rich people. They
[01:04:06] can't just retire.
[01:04:07] >> No. And they're good folks. I've hung
[01:04:09] out with them when came when they had
[01:04:11] the world premiere, which was something
[01:04:13] else. Me standing on a red red carpet. A
[01:04:16] little out of place in that
[01:04:19] at at a film festival.
[01:04:20] >> Yeah. No, I'm sure I avoid those things.
[01:04:23] They're weird. But this uh this subject
[01:04:27] when you talk about them uh appearing
[01:04:30] over bases, appearing over aircraft
[01:04:32] carriers, appearing over submarines that
[01:04:35] have nuclear capability,
[01:04:37] it kind of makes sense that if you were
[01:04:40] from another planet or you're from
[01:04:41] another dimension or wherever it is and
[01:04:43] you're monitoring what seems to be the
[01:04:46] most intelligent species and the most
[01:04:48] capable species on the planet that when
[01:04:50] they would get access to something like
[01:04:52] that, like all The UFO sightings ramped
[01:04:55] up considerably after World War II.
[01:04:57] After we dropped the bombs.
[01:04:58] >> After we dropped the bomb.
[01:05:00] >> Yeah. There was a considerable amount of
[01:05:03] activity. You know, that's when Kenneth
[01:05:05] Arnold first saw those things and talked
[01:05:08] about them as flying saucers.
[01:05:09] >> Called them flying saucers.
[01:05:11] >> Washington State. Is that what that was?
[01:05:13] They look like said they look like stone
[01:05:15] skipping across the look like little
[01:05:16] saucers.
[01:05:17] >> Yeah. So that's where the term first got
[01:05:21] introduced into the modern world. And
[01:05:24] then you see so many of them and then
[01:05:26] you hear these stories about them going
[01:05:28] flying over nuclear bases and hovering
[01:05:30] over and shutting down the equipment and
[01:05:33] just the fact that they would hover over
[01:05:35] that submarine and then take off. Just
[01:05:37] to let you know like that's what we can
[01:05:40] do. It was probably a smart move if you
[01:05:42] if you don't want to completely
[01:05:44] intervene and like kidnap people and
[01:05:47] shut down the government and land on the
[01:05:48] White House lawn and freak everybody
[01:05:50] out. What better way than to take
[01:05:53] something that's completely isolated
[01:05:55] like a submarine in the ocean where you
[01:05:57] know everybody's going to lock
[01:05:58] everything down top secret and just show
[01:06:00] yourself and just like hey like
[01:06:04] we're here we're here and we are
[01:06:07] watching everything so don't do anything
[01:06:10] stupid
[01:06:11] >> you know you talked about that that that
[01:06:13] issue or episode I remember when they um
[01:06:16] at first I've never been invited back of
[01:06:19] course but the um intelligence committ
[01:06:21] committee when they did the UFO thing
[01:06:23] [snorts] and there was they had these
[01:06:24] all these seats and it was an open to
[01:06:26] the open to the everybody, Congress and
[01:06:29] the press and everybody and they had all
[01:06:31] these seats behind these this white bl
[01:06:33] this white guy and this black guy who
[01:06:35] were appointed to oversee the UAP issue
[01:06:38] which um and I remembered I thought I'm
[01:06:41] going to get there early, get the seat
[01:06:42] down front and I sat right behind those
[01:06:44] guys and nobody else showed up. I was
[01:06:46] the only member of Congress outside of
[01:06:48] the members in the in the um in on the
[01:06:51] committee. And Joe, those guys couldn't
[01:06:53] spell UFO. I mean, they were
[01:06:55] intelligent. They were um I'm sure
[01:06:59] they're patriots. They had no clue about
[01:07:02] anything. So, there's questions asked
[01:07:04] about certain incidents and uh we don't
[01:07:07] know anything about that, you know. And
[01:07:08] I thought to myself, that's when the
[01:07:10] compartmentalization
[01:07:12] uh came to in my mind, how they
[01:07:14] compartmentalize that stuff because to
[01:07:16] them, they could take a lie detector
[01:07:17] test and say, I don't know anything
[01:07:19] about it. Because they are kept away
[01:07:21] from it. It's like they're looking down
[01:07:22] the barrel of a .22 rifle, man. It's
[01:07:24] just a little bitty area and they don't
[01:07:26] get outside that area and they don't ask
[01:07:28] questions and they don't unless they're
[01:07:30] told.
[01:07:30] >> And if you want to keep your career,
[01:07:32] that's how you have to operate
[01:07:33] >> and your pension and everything else.
[01:07:35] Absolutely. It makes sense. That that
[01:07:37] aspect of it makes sense. Um what
[01:07:40] doesn't totally make sense is why now
[01:07:44] disclosure other than [snorts]
[01:07:47] um I mean this is being cynical. The
[01:07:49] Iran war is not going very well.
[01:07:51] American public's very upset. A lot of
[01:07:53] people don't think we should have ever
[01:07:54] been involved in that in the first
[01:07:55] place. And we need some good news.
[01:07:57] >> I think we um some I
[01:08:00] >> we need something to distract us. We
[01:08:01] need something to take our focus off of.
[01:08:03] If I was gonna do it, now would be the
[01:08:05] time I'd do it. Yeah. But yeah,
[01:08:07] >> I I don't think Trump really even cares.
[01:08:09] I think he just wants to get it out
[01:08:10] there.
[01:08:10] >> Well, I think he does, too. You know,
[01:08:12] he's talked about it. Like, and he's
[01:08:14] also
[01:08:14] >> I mean, no, I mean, I don't think he
[01:08:15] cares about
[01:08:17] um trying to get a everybody off off
[01:08:20] target, you know, by by disclosing UFOs.
[01:08:22] I think he cares about all of it, but I
[01:08:24] don't think he cares that if they're
[01:08:26] talking about it or not. I just think he
[01:08:28] he genuinely sees that America needs to
[01:08:30] know this stuff. Well, he also realizes
[01:08:32] America wants to know it and he's an
[01:08:35] outsider. I mean, even though he's the
[01:08:37] president, he is in a lot of ways he's
[01:08:39] an outsider. And
[01:08:42] >> I mean, this is his last term,
[01:08:43] >> right? And so, it's like if you're going
[01:08:45] to if someone's going to do it, do it.
[01:08:46] You want to leave a legacy, be the guy
[01:08:48] who releases all these files.
[01:08:50] >> I tried to kill him three times. Yeah.
[01:08:52] So, you know, it's not and that ain't no
[01:08:55] >> Did you see that judge that apologized
[01:08:57] to the guy that Did you see the story?
[01:09:00] >> No. Okay. The guy who was at the White
[01:09:03] House correspondents dinner that shot
[01:09:04] one of the Secret Service agents and the
[01:09:06] guy got arrested. Yeah. The judge who's
[01:09:08] dealing with the case apologized to him
[01:09:11] for his treatment in jail.
[01:09:14] [laughter]
[01:09:14] >> Do you have that, Jamie? See if you can
[01:09:15] find that.
[01:09:16] >> He should have gotten some quality stick
[01:09:17] time.
[01:09:18] >> This is another guy. This judge also uh
[01:09:21] released another man who was arrested
[01:09:24] for threatening to kill Trump.
[01:09:25] >> Oh,
[01:09:27] Trump derangement syndrome is real,
[01:09:29] dude. It's ridiculous.
[01:09:30] >> But the way this guy addressed this man,
[01:09:33] it's almost as if he was condoning it.
[01:09:36] Look at it. Says, "The indictment comes
[01:09:37] the day after the judge overseeing the
[01:09:38] case against Allen expressed grave
[01:09:40] concerns about how he's being treated in
[01:09:42] jail and apologized to him in court."
[01:09:45] You're talking about a guy who showed up
[01:09:47] with a rifle or a shotgun.
[01:09:49] >> Shotgun,
[01:09:49] >> shot a Secret Service agent, obviously
[01:09:51] in the vest. The guy's okay. But
[01:09:53] whatever you've been through, I
[01:09:55] apologize for the prior week. Magistrate
[01:09:58] Judge Zia Farukqui, I don't know if I'm
[01:10:02] saying that right, said during a hearing
[01:10:04] in Washington DC on Monday. According to
[01:10:06] the court documents filed over the
[01:10:07] weekend, Allan had been in solitary
[01:10:09] confinement oh poor baby at the DC jail
[01:10:12] after being placed on suicide watch
[01:10:14] after his arrest on April 25th. His
[01:10:16] lawyers said that he was housed in a
[01:10:18] permanently illuminated safe cell with
[01:10:21] no access to personal items or jail
[01:10:23] visits despite repeated assessments
[01:10:25] showing he did not exhibit any suicide
[01:10:27] factors. In an order issued on Sunday,
[01:10:31] uh Farooqi uh wrote that he had grave
[01:10:34] concerns about the conditions Allen was
[01:10:36] being kept in, which he said were
[01:10:38] seemingly unprompted by the facts of the
[01:10:41] case. It could drive a person crazy to
[01:10:43] be in that situation. Fugly said during
[01:10:45] Monday's hearing that is really crazy.
[01:10:48] >> That is that is really a crazy thing to
[01:10:52] apologize for someone who was trying to
[01:10:56] at least assume you're you're assuming
[01:10:58] he was trying to kill the president.
[01:10:59] >> The guy's been programmed to do this. He
[01:11:02] immediately turns,
[01:11:04] you know, from one way to the other
[01:11:06] overnight almost. And this is and we're
[01:11:10] seeing this more and more. I think I
[01:11:12] think
[01:11:12] >> What do you mean the guys have been
[01:11:13] programmed?
[01:11:13] >> I think these people are um [snorts]
[01:11:16] >> You mean like MK Ultra type programming?
[01:11:18] >> 100%.
[01:11:19] >> Really?
[01:11:19] >> I think so. But it's a different, you
[01:11:20] know, MK, you're the expert on it.
[01:11:23] >> Um, not really. Well, don't say that.
[01:11:25] >> Well, [laughter] no. I don't want to get
[01:11:27] you bumped off.
[01:11:28] >> Knows [clears throat] what about it.
[01:11:30] >> Let somebody else go start your car when
[01:11:31] you walk out there and wait 30 minutes.
[01:11:33] >> Make me an expert.
[01:11:34] >> Yeah. [laughter]
[01:11:35] >> I know nothing. But you know that the
[01:11:38] CIA they they were grabbing these people
[01:11:40] up and giving them I guess acid or LSD
[01:11:42] whatever and then programming them and
[01:11:44] then then they said they weren't doing
[01:11:46] it and then they got sued and they said
[01:11:48] oh we we lied. We were doing it but
[01:11:50] we're not doing it anymore. Now which
[01:11:52] time are they not? So here's here's my
[01:11:54] thought on this. I think you've got a
[01:11:55] bunch of people today because of this.
[01:11:57] It's just open up
[01:11:59] >> open up your head and pour it in. and
[01:12:01] they can put these things out to people
[01:12:04] just enough to where they know that
[01:12:07] there's going to be a reaction. There's
[01:12:08] some people, you and I are going to read
[01:12:10] this stuff and go, "Ah, you know, and
[01:12:11] there's some people that are just going
[01:12:12] to stay awake at night and just fume." I
[01:12:14] know people that read stuff and they'll
[01:12:16] call me and text me and said, "Can you
[01:12:18] believe this?" And I'm like, "Dude, man,
[01:12:20] I live this stuff. Cool out. We're good.
[01:12:22] We're okay." And I think that these
[01:12:24] folks, they know who they are and they
[01:12:26] can they can target them. You know, how
[01:12:28] many of these people are going to be are
[01:12:30] we going to find that have no internet
[01:12:32] access, have no history of being on the
[01:12:35] internet, you know,
[01:12:36] >> like Thomas Crooks.
[01:12:37] >> Yeah. That that's just that's just total
[01:12:39] BS. Total BS. Oh, we couldn't we let him
[01:12:42] on the roof and you know, and and then
[01:12:45] >> also they couldn't get snipers on that
[01:12:46] roof because the slope was too steep.
[01:12:47] >> Yeah. We had we had members of Congress
[01:12:49] that are older than I I think Daryl Isa
[01:12:51] was there. Um I [snorts] know um a
[01:12:54] couple other guys were there, too. I
[01:12:55] mean, he's an older guy. He's older than
[01:12:57] me. I think he was walking around up on
[01:12:58] it, you know, and and that's bogus.
[01:13:01] That's totally bogus. They put Trump in
[01:13:02] a bad position. And you know, that's the
[01:13:05] thing. You'll never know. You'll never
[01:13:06] Here's another thing we should talk
[01:13:07] about. Dead men tell no tales.
[01:13:09] >> There's another thing we should talk
[01:13:09] about. There's a lot of people running
[01:13:11] around out there saying that that first
[01:13:13] Trump assassination was a setup and that
[01:13:15] it was a hoax and that Trump did it to
[01:13:17] try to get people to be more sympathetic
[01:13:18] to him. Anybody who says that doesn't
[01:13:21] know anything about guns. No. because
[01:13:24] the shot was from how far was it? Was it
[01:13:27] 140 yards? Is that what it was, Jamie?
[01:13:31] Um, there is not a person on earth that
[01:13:35] could nick your ear at 140 yards
[01:13:38] reliably. Not only that, but miss other
[01:13:41] shots first, kill someone behind you,
[01:13:44] shoot another person as well, and just
[01:13:46] nick his ear. And just by the grace of
[01:13:50] God, by
[01:13:51] >> just sheer luck, he turns his head at
[01:13:54] the right time and he catches his ear.
[01:13:56] Okay. 120 to 140 m or 135 to 150 yards
[01:14:00] away during the rally. Uh he was
[01:14:03] positioned on top of an AGR
[01:14:05] international building which provided a
[01:14:07] clear line of sight to the stage. Just
[01:14:09] that alone is a a tremendous failure of
[01:14:11] security. the fact that they didn't
[01:14:13] search and look at these buildings that
[01:14:16] you don't have drones above scanning the
[01:14:18] area where you have a potential line of
[01:14:20] sight, a easy shot with someone with a
[01:14:24] scope.
[01:14:25] >> And my my buddy Eli Crane, he's a he's a
[01:14:28] sniper and he said, you know, I could
[01:14:30] have I could have made that shot, you
[01:14:32] know, because he's a SEAL sniper and my
[01:14:34] >> Oh, 100%.
[01:14:35] >> My brother-in-law Cliff was a marine
[01:14:36] sniper and he said, I could have
[01:14:38] probably done it with steel sights, Tim.
[01:14:40] Well, he did. Did Did the man have steel
[01:14:41] sights or did he
[01:14:42] >> Yeah, he did have steel sights. He had
[01:14:43] >> So, he didn't have a scope.
[01:14:45] >> Uhuh. And the thing to me is that he um
[01:14:48] he [snorts] got up there and people were
[01:14:49] pointing at him. It was just a complete
[01:14:51] Is it a breakdown? You think is it a
[01:14:54] breakdown? It's a breakdown. If I if if
[01:14:57] Tim Burchett sneaks into the back of a a
[01:14:59] Leonard Skard concert and gets close to
[01:15:01] the stage, that's a breakdown. That to
[01:15:04] me is a complete capitulation. They put
[01:15:06] Trump out there and there's people that
[01:15:08] don't like him. You can say what you
[01:15:09] want to about programming and things. I
[01:15:12] just think it's it's it's out there. I
[01:15:14] think it is a reality and I think we
[01:15:16] better people better wake up because
[01:15:18] there Washington DC is not a um
[01:15:21] everybody wants to call it a swamp.
[01:15:22] >> Okay. So, it does have a it does have a
[01:15:24] scope.
[01:15:25] >> It does have a scope.
[01:15:26] >> Yeah, that's a red dot.
[01:15:27] >> Okay.
[01:15:28] >> I mean, I don't know if it's magnified.
[01:15:30] It says optics attached to rail AEMS uh
[01:15:34] optics.
[01:15:35] [snorts] So, I don't know. I'd have to
[01:15:38] talk to some of my guys out front about
[01:15:40] like what kind of a what kind of a sight
[01:15:42] that is, what kind of optics that is.
[01:15:44] >> I don't know if it's magnified or if
[01:15:45] it's like pistol optics. But either way,
[01:15:49] even if it's just if he's prone and he's
[01:15:52] got a rifle and it says uh yeah, check
[01:15:55] it out, Jamie. [clears throat]
[01:15:58] >> I think that's just the um the setup,
[01:16:01] though. I don't think that's actually
[01:16:03] the uh I think AMS optics AEMS optics is
[01:16:08] [snorts]
[01:16:09] >> the optics
[01:16:11] >> right modeled modified with a
[01:16:14] collapsible stock
[01:16:16] >> red dot site.
[01:16:17] >> Yeah. So it's a red dot. I don't know if
[01:16:19] that's magnified. I don't think that's
[01:16:21] magnified. I think
[01:16:22] >> Yeah.
[01:16:22] >> I think that's just like what you get on
[01:16:24] a pistol. It just makes it a little bit
[01:16:26] more accurate. You know, I'd seen
[01:16:27] pictures of him just walking across an
[01:16:29] area and you could tell he was carrying
[01:16:30] something that was fairly long.
[01:16:32] >> Well, not only that, he was walking
[01:16:33] around the site with a rangefinder.
[01:16:36] >> Yeah. Oh, and he playing golf.
[01:16:37] >> He'd earlier put a drone up, I think.
[01:16:39] Yeah. So,
[01:16:40] >> if you're not playing golf and you have
[01:16:41] a rangefinder, you're trying to shoot
[01:16:43] something. That's it. That's the only
[01:16:44] two reasons to use a rangefinder. You're
[01:16:46] playing golf, you're doing archery, or
[01:16:48] you're trying to shoot something with a
[01:16:50] rifle, [snorts]
[01:16:51] >> you know,
[01:16:52] >> no other thing. But these guys just keep
[01:16:54] doing this. And I and I know I think
[01:16:56] we're going to have a hearing on that.
[01:16:57] Not on that particular case, but just on
[01:17:00] what the CIA is doing and and how they
[01:17:02] could do that today.
[01:17:04] >> Well, they most certainly can do that
[01:17:05] today if they could do that in the
[01:17:06] 1960s. There's a fantastic book called
[01:17:09] Chaos by Tom O'Neal. It's all about the
[01:17:11] Manson family. Have you ever read it?
[01:17:12] >> I've seen it. I haven't read it.
[01:17:14] >> It's phenomenal and it's mindblowing.
[01:17:17] You you read it and you and it all
[01:17:18] documents Jolly West and the MK Ultra
[01:17:22] program and what they did with Jack Ruby
[01:17:24] and they visited Jack Ruby after he shot
[01:17:26] Lee Harvey Oswald and Jack Ruby went
[01:17:28] insane and had a complete psychotic
[01:17:30] breakdown and said they're lighting Jews
[01:17:32] on fire and he was like going nuts and
[01:17:34] was sane before Ruby vis visited him.
[01:17:37] This guy was known to be using LSD on
[01:17:40] people, unknowing people. They uh they
[01:17:42] ran Operation Midnight Climax, which is
[01:17:45] where the CIA actually ran brothel. They
[01:17:48] had two-way mirrors and they had these
[01:17:50] uh supposed prostitutes give these
[01:17:52] John's alcohol that had LSD in it and
[01:17:55] then they'd monitor them. They were they
[01:17:57] were doing that with people,
[01:17:58] unsuspecting people, dosing them up,
[01:18:00] trying to figure out how and what
[01:18:02] techniques they could use to manipulate
[01:18:04] people and to get people to do things
[01:18:05] they wanted them to do. That's what the
[01:18:07] whole Manson family was all about. And
[01:18:09] what the Manson family that what those
[01:18:11] killings did, the Tate Labianca murders,
[01:18:13] what they did was they turned people
[01:18:16] against hippies. Like people had this
[01:18:18] idea of hippies being peace and love and
[01:18:20] like oh it's a new world and everyone's
[01:18:22] just going to do acid and hug each other
[01:18:24] and trap out of society.
[01:18:26] >> Then it was all a sudden it became no,
[01:18:28] they're psychotic killers and they're
[01:18:29] demonic and you know and this is what we
[01:18:32] have to think about. We need to ban all
[01:18:33] these drugs. And that's what they did.
[01:18:35] And it's kind of fascinating that they
[01:18:37] were able to do that and do that for so
[01:18:39] long. And if it wasn't for the Freedom
[01:18:41] of Information Act request and if it
[01:18:43] wasn't for finding those documents that
[01:18:45] they found that were just in storage,
[01:18:47] >> right,
[01:18:47] >> that detailed all this, we wouldn't have
[01:18:49] any knowledge of this stuff.
[01:18:50] >> Most that stuff disappears. You know,
[01:18:52] >> I'm sure there's a bunch of stuff that
[01:18:53] we have. I think this is just the tip of
[01:18:55] the iceberg. There's probably a ton of
[01:18:57] those things that have gone on that they
[01:18:59] successfully hid and they got sloppy
[01:19:02] with this. And Johnny West seems like he
[01:19:03] was a completely insane person. And you
[01:19:05] know, how could you not be if you were
[01:19:06] like running around dosing people with
[01:19:08] acid up with acid? Yeah.
[01:19:09] >> Running fake whouses. I mean, it's nuts.
[01:19:12] The whole story is nuts. But the idea
[01:19:14] that they go, "Hey, we shouldn't do that
[01:19:16] anymore."
[01:19:17] >> No.
[01:19:17] >> Even though it was successful, that that
[01:19:19] doesn't track that doesn't track with
[01:19:21] how anything works.
[01:19:23] >> That doesn't track with human nature.
[01:19:24] Doesn't track with how the government
[01:19:26] works. The idea that they don't have
[01:19:28] people right now. And also how many
[01:19:31] people are voluntarily on psychiatric
[01:19:34] medication that alters them and then
[01:19:36] without any sort of formal program like
[01:19:39] MK Ultra just using bots just using AI
[01:19:44] just using people's algorithm to turn
[01:19:47] them radicalize them in certain ways.
[01:19:50] Like of course they're going to do that.
[01:19:52] Of course they're going to try to figure
[01:19:54] out what they can do what they can't how
[01:19:56] they can shift narratives in one
[01:19:57] direction or another. I [snorts] mean,
[01:19:59] that's what they do.
[01:20:00] >> And Trump's a a threat to their machine.
[01:20:03] I don't I don't ever think we'll ever
[01:20:05] find the answer to it. I don't think
[01:20:06] we'll ever somebody's going to come
[01:20:07] forward. And
[01:20:09] >> maybe in in our lifetime they might, but
[01:20:11] by then everybody will be gone again.
[01:20:14] >> Where's the toxicology examination on
[01:20:16] Thomas Krooks? Let me find out what he
[01:20:18] was on.
[01:20:18] >> Wait a minute. They cremated him.
[01:20:19] >> Yeah, they cremated him really quickly.
[01:20:21] Not only that, like why was his place
[01:20:24] professionally scrubbed? He didn't even
[01:20:26] have silverware in his house. He had no
[01:20:28] computers. He had no social process, no
[01:20:32] internet footprint at all. And then they
[01:20:34] found stuff that led him to believe that
[01:20:37] maybe he had international accounts, but
[01:20:38] he doesn't have, you know, just just
[01:20:40] constant constant. And it just happens
[01:20:43] over over every course, every time.
[01:20:45] >> Not only that, but they documented
[01:20:47] metadata that tracks specific phones
[01:20:50] from the Virginia area out near where
[01:20:52] the FBI area is to his home multiple
[01:20:56] times. Why? He's a kid. He's just a a
[01:20:59] young weirdo kid and someone's visiting
[01:21:02] him.
[01:21:03] >> His over and over again.
[01:21:04] >> His parents were allegedly counselors, I
[01:21:06] think. And and that makes the whole
[01:21:08] thing even that much more mysterious.
[01:21:10] [gasps and sighs]
[01:21:11] >> It's all weird. And we don't have any
[01:21:13] answers and no one's asking questions.
[01:21:14] It's like bye-bye, went away.
[01:21:16] >> You ask the questions, you're still not
[01:21:18] going to get the answers,
[01:21:19] >> right? I mean, that will be one of those
[01:21:20] things that 30, 40 years from now,
[01:21:22] people are going to be reading books
[01:21:23] about going what the hell was going on.
[01:21:25] It's like the Kennedy assassination. You
[01:21:27] know, in the Kennedy assassination, we
[01:21:28] had a a committee meeting on that and
[01:21:30] [snorts] I asked a question from this
[01:21:32] doctor who was in the
[01:21:34] >> um in the emergency room. He brought
[01:21:35] Kennedy in and he he clearly he brought
[01:21:37] he brought a poster in to show that
[01:21:40] clearly that the bullets had come from
[01:21:43] two different directions and that was
[01:21:45] and so it had to be two bullets. It
[01:21:47] couldn't have been a a very quick
[01:21:48] ricochet. Yeah. obviously and um the
[01:21:51] whole thing, you know, and no press,
[01:21:54] nobody covered it, nothing. To me, that
[01:21:56] was blockbuster news. I thought that
[01:21:58] would have been But again, the big boys
[01:22:01] didn't see fit to put that out and that
[01:22:03] and there we are.
[01:22:04] >> Well, just the magic bullet theory
[01:22:05] alone, like, shut up. That bullet's
[01:22:08] >> Well, that gun is uh called a Manlaker
[01:22:10] carbine. It was I got one actually. It's
[01:22:13] a I think it's 7.62 Italian. It's called
[01:22:16] the only gun that never won a war. You
[01:22:19] could have gone to a Western Auto and
[01:22:20] bought an M1 with scopes on it and made
[01:22:23] a much better shot than that thing. I
[01:22:24] mean, the whole thing just stinks. And
[01:22:26] the gun they show holding up and the gun
[01:22:28] that they had later, you know, the whole
[01:22:30] thing is just screwy. Screwy. And
[01:22:32] because we didn't ask questions back
[01:22:34] then.
[01:22:34] >> Yeah. Well, no one had information. So,
[01:22:36] what questions could you even ask? And
[01:22:38] there's a great book on it called Best
[01:22:40] Evidence by David Lifton. And he was an
[01:22:43] accountant that was hired to go over the
[01:22:45] Warren Commission report. and he started
[01:22:47] finding all these inconsistencies and
[01:22:49] contradictions in the Warren Commission
[01:22:51] report. And so then he wrote this book
[01:22:53] on all the different things that are
[01:22:55] wrong with the Kennedy assassination and
[01:22:56] all the different things that we've been
[01:22:58] told that couldn't possibly be true. And
[01:23:00] it's very disturbing, including how many
[01:23:02] people that were witnesses that died.
[01:23:04] witnesses at the scene in, you know, in
[01:23:07] Dallas that died from weird
[01:23:09] circumstances. And the odds of those
[01:23:10] people dying, car accident, suicide,
[01:23:13] murder, robbery, all it's just too
[01:23:16] strange.
[01:23:16] >> And people they can't find anymore that
[01:23:18] were in those pictures,
[01:23:19] >> you know, square.
[01:23:21] >> They cleaned up a lot of the loose ends
[01:23:23] >> quick.
[01:23:24] >> Yeah.
[01:23:24] >> But back then, you know, again, you
[01:23:26] couldn't ask the questions. You didn't
[01:23:27] have the internet. And now it's
[01:23:29] >> But that I think
[01:23:30] >> but nobody's even talking about it. You
[01:23:32] can't get anybody to bring up anything
[01:23:33] on Trump getting shot or other than they
[01:23:37] put out it's a fake. You know, it's his
[01:23:40] ear healed itself and all this stuff. I
[01:23:42] you know,
[01:23:42] >> listen, his ear was clearly bleeding. He
[01:23:44] got shot in the ear. You can see the
[01:23:46] blood come out right away. It's dripping
[01:23:48] down the side of his face. And the the
[01:23:50] idea that that's a setup, you cannot be
[01:23:52] that accurate. You definitely can't be
[01:23:54] that accurate with a red dot at 140
[01:23:55] yards. You can hit him. You could
[01:23:57] definitely hit him center mass, no
[01:23:59] problem. Maybe even you hit him in the
[01:24:01] head if you're really good and you're
[01:24:02] prone. But the nicking his ear like that
[01:24:04] on purpose and to be there and say,
[01:24:06] "Hey, I just want you to nick my ear
[01:24:08] just a little piece like that's there's
[01:24:10] no off the top. There's not a chance
[01:24:12] that that's a fake." And the guy behind
[01:24:14] him's dead. So what are you saying? You
[01:24:16] think that's fake? That's a setup.
[01:24:17] >> Yeah. The fireman lost his life.
[01:24:19] >> Yeah. That's crazy. The whole thing's
[01:24:21] crazy. But it's just this thing where
[01:24:24] people hate him so much and the
[01:24:26] narrative in the media, this Trump
[01:24:28] derangement narrative that you see in
[01:24:29] the media is so strong and people are so
[01:24:32] programmed by it. And
[01:24:33] >> for the average person that has a a very
[01:24:36] involved job, you're working all day and
[01:24:39] then you have a family and you have a
[01:24:40] life and you have been you don't have
[01:24:42] time to really go into depth about
[01:24:44] what's real and what's not real. And you
[01:24:46] got that Russia collusion stuff shoved
[01:24:48] down your throat by mainstream media for
[01:24:50] years and you believe all of it
[01:24:52] >> 100%.
[01:24:52] >> And so you really believed he's a
[01:24:55] terrible person, Russian agent, all
[01:24:56] these different. So you want someone to
[01:24:58] kill him.
[01:24:59] >> Yeah. There's there's a group of folks,
[01:25:01] young folks that are starting to ask
[01:25:02] some questions. Yes.
[01:25:03] >> You [clears throat] know, my wife's son
[01:25:05] Tyler um he lives on the farm there with
[01:25:08] us and he um he's been asking me
[01:25:11] inquisitive questions because because of
[01:25:14] he doesn't buy it. And a lot of those
[01:25:15] kids in that generation, I'm glad. I
[01:25:17] don't know if it's the Charlie Kirk
[01:25:18] effect. I don't know what that is.
[01:25:19] >> That has a that's a has a definitely
[01:25:21] effect on it because a lot of people
[01:25:22] don't buy that story either. No. But
[01:25:24] it's also the internet. The internet has
[01:25:25] there's enough independent reporters out
[01:25:27] there that are untied independent
[01:25:30] journalists that are untied to any
[01:25:31] organization that has a narrative
[01:25:33] they're supposed to push and they're
[01:25:35] uncovering real information. That's
[01:25:37] screwy,
[01:25:37] >> right?
[01:25:38] >> It doesn't make any sense. Well, and
[01:25:40] also when they do though, they get they
[01:25:42] get trounced upon by the so-called
[01:25:44] mainstream media, of course. And but
[01:25:46] their numbers, I mean, my gosh, I read
[01:25:48] somewhere the the amount of uh that the
[01:25:51] amount of media or the amount of
[01:25:52] information people get from the
[01:25:54] mainstream media is is just it's
[01:25:56] diminishing.
[01:25:56] >> Well, CO sunk them. The way they handled
[01:25:59] CO and the way they carried water for
[01:26:01] the pharmaceutical drug industry.
[01:26:02] >> Oh, And Fouchy
[01:26:04] >> and the Yeah. Fouchy. And now he's going
[01:26:06] to walk.
[01:26:06] >> Is he going to walk? because there's
[01:26:07] some talk about him possibly being set
[01:26:09] up for perjury, but there's only a week
[01:26:11] to go.
[01:26:11] >> Yeah, there's a week to go. I just don't
[01:26:13] He'll get a stern letter from somebody
[01:26:15] in Washington.
[01:26:16] >> Oh,
[01:26:16] >> that drives me crazy, man. I saw, you
[01:26:18] know, the big boys, you go down to the
[01:26:20] the big hardware chain and they were
[01:26:23] allowing people to go in, but they
[01:26:24] closed down the little local ones and
[01:26:26] they closed the churches and the
[01:26:27] synagogues and everybody down
[01:26:29] >> and then we just all got in line. They
[01:26:31] just rang the bell and we're like
[01:26:32] Pavlov's dog and we just all got in
[01:26:34] line. And I remember at my hospital in
[01:26:35] Knoxville, one of them, I came out there
[01:26:37] and, you know, to get tested. I got
[01:26:39] tested. I can't tell how many times I
[01:26:41] got tested. I never tested positive.
[01:26:43] I've never took the vaccine or any of
[01:26:44] that. But I can remember coming out
[01:26:45] there and they had these um morgs they
[01:26:48] were setting up just in anticipation of
[01:26:51] of what And I just [snorts] thought,
[01:26:53] man, this is if this doesn't work out,
[01:26:55] this is the ultimate scop because people
[01:26:57] are going to get rich off this crazy
[01:26:59] thing. And they did. You know, we um
[01:27:01] >> greatest transfer of wealth.
[01:27:02] >> Unbelievably. Unbelievably. Yeah. And
[01:27:05] Congress just did it. We just did it and
[01:27:07] didn't ask any questions.
[01:27:08] >> Well, it seems like there's a real
[01:27:09] pandemic right now on this cruise ship.
[01:27:11] You know, about that henta virus. Yeah.
[01:27:13] That seems really crazy.
[01:27:14] >> And and ticks. Watch that thing.
[01:27:17] >> The tick thing is nuts. Yeah. Especially
[01:27:19] >> because of meat, because of gates.
[01:27:20] >> Uhhuh. Um,
[01:27:21] >> well, there's boxes people are finding,
[01:27:24] and I don't know if this is true because
[01:27:25] I've seen many reports on it, but I'm
[01:27:27] just going to say what I saw, that
[01:27:28] farmers and ranchers are finding boxes
[01:27:31] of ticks on their property. Now, I don't
[01:27:34] know if that's fake. I don't know if
[01:27:36] someone's setting that up to pretend
[01:27:38] they found these boxes of ticks, but
[01:27:40] there's videos of these people finding
[01:27:43] boxes of ticks. Now, what they'll say is
[01:27:45] they'll probably say they're sterile
[01:27:47] ticks and that we're planting them out
[01:27:49] there so we can diminish the population
[01:27:51] is what they'll say. But anytime they
[01:27:53] try to mess with the balance of nature,
[01:27:55] it never goes right.
[01:27:56] >> Is that what they're saying? This is
[01:27:58] getting ready. That's I'm getting You're
[01:28:00] getting it right here.
[01:28:01] >> I don't believe you have a right to go
[01:28:03] to someone's property and drop off
[01:28:05] sterile ticks.
[01:28:06] >> No way in hell.
[01:28:07] >> That's crazy either way. But I have a
[01:28:09] good friend of mine who got bit by the
[01:28:12] Lonear tick and has that alpha gal
[01:28:14] problem.
[01:28:14] >> Yeah. A kid, a guy came out my house
[01:28:16] yesterday looking at putting gutters up
[01:28:17] at our house and dad got me. He said and
[01:28:19] I said, "You did what?" He goes, "Yeah,
[01:28:21] I can't eat anything any meat produced
[01:28:23] by a mammal."
[01:28:24] >> Yes.
[01:28:24] >> I was like,
[01:28:25] >> "Yeah." So my buddy, he had it and my
[01:28:29] friend Evan, so he he had it for a
[01:28:31] little while and then he did a bunch of
[01:28:33] treatments and got off of it and then
[01:28:35] started eating steak again and he was
[01:28:37] fine for about a year and a half and
[01:28:39] then it came back stronger than ever and
[01:28:41] he just can't shake it around.
[01:28:44] >> Oh yeah. He can only eat eggs. I mean,
[01:28:46] he's basically eating eggs and
[01:28:47] vegetables. That's all he's eating. And
[01:28:48] every time he tries to deviate, he has a
[01:28:50] horrible reaction. It it makes for
[01:28:52] people that don't know, it makes your
[01:28:53] body allergic to red meat,
[01:28:55] >> right? And who has got genetically made
[01:28:58] meat now?
[01:28:58] >> Yeah. Bill Gates.
[01:28:59] >> Bill Gates.
[01:29:00] >> Yeah. Well, they're doing things with
[01:29:01] mosquitoes and they're doing they're
[01:29:03] they're messing around with nature in a
[01:29:05] way that no one's giving you permission
[01:29:07] to. The general public does not want you
[01:29:09] doing this. If they could vote on it,
[01:29:10] they'd say, "No way. You You can't."
[01:29:12] >> It's like those those beagles that they
[01:29:14] show that Fouchy uh I grew up with
[01:29:16] beagles. Sport number one, sport number
[01:29:18] two. dogs. They are the best dogs ever.
[01:29:21] And um my Buzz was um he's cavalier mix,
[01:29:25] but he was we think I'm not really sure,
[01:29:27] but he was a rescue dog. And that poor
[01:29:29] thing had never been on grass. And I see
[01:29:31] those dogs acting just like poor Buzz.
[01:29:33] He couldn't climb stairs and he was
[01:29:36] mistreated. He can't hear very well. And
[01:29:38] um he's the sweetest dad gum dog though.
[01:29:40] And those freaking beagles. I just that
[01:29:43] rips my heart out because there's right
[01:29:45] now I've talked to the scientists in the
[01:29:46] labs and there's everything we can do
[01:29:48] now we can do in the lab without pretty
[01:29:51] much without
[01:29:52] >> without cruelty
[01:29:52] >> without cruelty without
[01:29:54] >> you know bringing in beagles and why
[01:29:56] beagles the whole thing just stinks
[01:29:59] disgusting
[01:29:59] >> it's very evil I mean look I don't even
[01:30:01] like it when they do it with rats
[01:30:03] >> but doing it with puppies is insane and
[01:30:06] then euthanizing them after you've
[01:30:08] forced them to be
[01:30:10] it's horrible Yeah, he did some evil
[01:30:13] stuff. He's And he lied like clearly
[01:30:16] lied. Lied to the American people about
[01:30:17] transmission. Lied to the American
[01:30:19] people about preventing infection.
[01:30:21] >> I can remember when they brought him to
[01:30:23] Congress
[01:30:23] >> and um brought him into a meeting I was
[01:30:26] in and I was in the back and he's a
[01:30:27] little short guy and I was like, "Who
[01:30:28] the heck is that?" He said, "That's
[01:30:30] Fouchy." And they brought him in and
[01:30:32] everybody started cheering. I thought I
[01:30:34] thought I thought I had a bad vibe on
[01:30:36] him then. And then um he talked to gay
[01:30:39] folks, you know, he was involved in the
[01:30:40] >> the a DT.
[01:30:42] >> Yeah.
[01:30:42] >> And u they they got a bad feeling
[01:30:45] towards him.
[01:30:46] >> Sure. I mean he's the culprit. He's the
[01:30:48] villain in that movie, The Dallas Buyers
[01:30:50] Club.
[01:30:51] >> That's about him preventing people from
[01:30:52] taking alternative medications. That
[01:30:54] sound familiar?
[01:30:55] >> Yeah. Exactly what they did during Right
[01:30:57] now we're doing it. I was um I was in
[01:30:59] Blunt County yesterday for a police
[01:31:02] officer's memorial service and an
[01:31:03] officer came up and said, you know, my
[01:31:05] my child is suffers from a rare disease
[01:31:08] and and we can't get to this treatment
[01:31:10] and can you can you put a bug in the
[01:31:13] present? I sure you know, we'll try. But
[01:31:15] and Trump's doing that a lot now with
[01:31:18] and RFK Yeah. RFK Jr. people they
[01:31:21] they'll try to trash him and that's
[01:31:22] fine. He's a tough guy. But um he um a
[01:31:27] lot of those trials now are going
[01:31:29] forward. Cancer and other things and and
[01:31:31] that's another reason they don't like
[01:31:33] Trump. Man, you talk about I mean you
[01:31:35] got big pharma, you got big agriculture
[01:31:38] and um
[01:31:40] >> you and a couple others and they they
[01:31:42] run the they run the table, Joe. They
[01:31:44] run the table and they I told somebody,
[01:31:47] you know, and of course big energy oil,
[01:31:50] you know, we get zero. I know it's a
[01:31:52] commodity and I'm going to get lit up
[01:31:55] that oil's a commodity and it, you know,
[01:31:57] the world market, but we get zero oil
[01:32:00] from Iran. Zero. We we export oil right
[01:32:04] now and yet the price is going through
[01:32:06] the roof. It's going through the roof
[01:32:07] because it can. They can. And I always
[01:32:10] say, well, how does that gasoline in the
[01:32:13] pumps go up that's been in the they've
[01:32:16] already been processed, already been
[01:32:17] paid for. How does it go up
[01:32:19] exponentially just overnight? 20 cents a
[01:32:21] gallon or whatever. And how does that
[01:32:23] and and if that's because it's a
[01:32:25] commodity and birch that you don't
[01:32:26] understand, how come that quart of oil
[01:32:29] that you at the hardware store doesn't
[01:32:31] go up like that? Wouldn't it it's
[01:32:33] processed oil. Wouldn't it do the same?
[01:32:35] And of course diesel. It's your first
[01:32:39] cut I think is kerosene. Then it's
[01:32:41] diesel. And diesel and I've got a diesel
[01:32:43] dy. I filled it up yesterday is over
[01:32:46] $100. You know, it is the cheapest. It
[01:32:48] is the roughest cut. You know, that's
[01:32:50] why you have these credible filters
[01:32:53] because it's dirty and gasoline is the
[01:32:56] third or fourth cut and it ought to be
[01:32:58] the most expensive, but it's not. I just
[01:33:01] think it's a racket. And every time they
[01:33:03] they'll hold the hearings and they'll
[01:33:05] come down there and and you know, and
[01:33:08] the oil companies will, you know,
[01:33:10] they'll shake that money tree. They know
[01:33:12] how to do it on both sides of the aisle.
[01:33:13] >> It happens all the time. I remember when
[01:33:15] Bush was leaving office before Obama
[01:33:17] took office where gasoline just went
[01:33:20] through the through the roof. The p
[01:33:22] everybody was freaking out and no one
[01:33:24] could explain it
[01:33:25] >> and it was just I was like look they can
[01:33:27] this is like the last chance they can to
[01:33:30] just jack up the prices, jack up the
[01:33:31] profits, hold everybody hostage. You
[01:33:33] have to get gas. You got to drive to
[01:33:35] work.
[01:33:35] >> Got an oil man in the White House.
[01:33:36] >> Yeah. And they just jacked it up.
[01:33:39] >> It's payoff time. I just uh
[01:33:41] >> and is and you know and I'm a
[01:33:43] capitalist. I'm a heartless capitalist.
[01:33:45] I make skateboards. Um, and
[01:33:47] >> you make skateboards?
[01:33:48] >> Yeah. Yeah. It's cheaper than a
[01:33:49] psychiatrist.
[01:33:51] [laughter]
[01:33:52] I go I guess I'm a little bit like
[01:33:53] Trump. I like ketchup on my steak.
[01:33:55] Although I think he gets his well done.
[01:33:56] I get mine medium rare. But um
[01:33:58] >> you put ketchup on your steak. You
[01:34:00] should go to jail.
[01:34:00] >> Does the Baptist church got a bus?
[01:34:02] Terrible.
[01:34:02] >> Yes, they do. And yes, I do. Terrible.
[01:34:04] Any No, I make skateboards. So, I make
[01:34:06] this crazy skateboard for um for um
[01:34:08] [snorts] Tulsi Gabbard. She's a buddy of
[01:34:10] mine. She's She's She's kind of a
[01:34:12] >> I love her.
[01:34:13] >> I love her, too. She is wonderful. And
[01:34:15] she's from Hawaii. So, in Trump's first
[01:34:17] Oh, that's
[01:34:18] >> There it is. Okay. I made that
[01:34:19] skateboard.
[01:34:20] >> Bigfoot skateboard.
[01:34:21] >> Yeah. I put my sticker on it. It's made
[01:34:22] out of bamboo, oak, and banana fibers
[01:34:25] off the banana plant.
[01:34:26] >> Oh, wow.
[01:34:27] >> And um and she she outs me during the um
[01:34:30] Trump's first. There's my guys at Pluto
[01:34:33] Sports. They put my wheels and trucks
[01:34:34] on. It's just a they're guys I was in
[01:34:36] high school with. Um but anyway,
[01:34:38] >> skate.
[01:34:39] >> Yeah. Oh, yeah. But I don't do the fancy
[01:34:41] stuff. I just do tricks.
[01:34:42] >> And not anymore. I'm 61, dude. I don't
[01:34:44] heal like I did when I was 51, much less
[01:34:46] when I was a young man.
[01:34:47] >> You're only a few years older than me.
[01:34:49] >> Well, you look good.
[01:34:51] >> Thank you.
[01:34:51] >> Sorry, man. I'm just, you know, people
[01:34:53] think I'm on steroids, but I'm naturally
[01:34:54] this huge. But [laughter]
[01:34:56] so, so she Tulsy says, "Purch it." I
[01:34:59] said, "Hey, Tulsy." She says, and she's
[01:35:01] walking in here to the State of the
[01:35:02] Union, cameras, people are in. Where's
[01:35:04] my dad gum skateboard? My birthday's
[01:35:06] next month. I'm like, "Oh, crap." So I
[01:35:08] make her this skateboard, right? And
[01:35:10] that picture comes out and I mean people
[01:35:12] all over the world are saying, "Where
[01:35:13] can I get a birchet board? Where can I
[01:35:15] get a birchet board?" So I'm Mr., you
[01:35:18] know, I'm trying to be ethical and you
[01:35:20] know, and uh I I go down to see the
[01:35:23] ethics guy and this little attorney
[01:35:25] tells me, he says, "Well, Congressman,
[01:35:26] you know, you got to you can't do that.
[01:35:28] You can't call it a Burchet board. You
[01:35:30] can't you know." I said, "Well, my
[01:35:31] wife's got to own the company." And they
[01:35:33] think, "Well, maybe." And then you but
[01:35:36] you can't work there and all this other
[01:35:38] stuff. And you know everybody down
[01:35:39] there's got a side hustle, right? And
[01:35:41] I've said, "Dude, so you're telling me I
[01:35:43] can do insider stock trading, but I
[01:35:45] can't sell a dad gum skateboard." And
[01:35:47] the guy said, "That's correct." So
[01:35:49] anyway, I got about 35 skateboards in my
[01:35:52] barn. I just keep making them. And I
[01:35:54] call my attorney.
[01:35:55] >> You make them yourself?
[01:35:56] >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's why I say it's
[01:35:57] cheaper than a psychiatrist.
[01:35:58] >> So you make them by hand?
[01:35:59] >> Yeah, absolutely. You know, I have um
[01:36:02] >> That's pretty cool.
[01:36:03] >> I make them. I'm cheap, but so I make
[01:36:05] them out of uh bamboo that I cut. Uh
[01:36:08] buddy of mine, Chris Pointer's got a
[01:36:10] bunch at his house, but I I go to the
[01:36:11] synagogue behind the synagogue on
[01:36:13] Kingston Pike. There's a bunch of
[01:36:14] bamboo, and they used to let me cut it.
[01:36:15] Now, when this airs, they probably
[01:36:16] won't, but um [laughter] and then I I
[01:36:19] get oak pallets and um and banana
[01:36:22] fibers. They grow off the banana plant.
[01:36:24] So, but anyway, I grow.
[01:36:25] >> Did you laminate it all?
[01:36:26] >> Yeah. Well, I used fiberglass with that
[01:36:28] and I'm trying to get away from the
[01:36:30] carcinogens, you know, the cancer
[01:36:32] causing. So, um, I use a Titebond 3
[01:36:34] glue. It's waterproof and water-based.
[01:36:37] And then, um, and then I just sand them
[01:36:38] all down and cuz, you know, you scuff
[01:36:40] them up after you ride them around.
[01:36:42] Anyway, so anyway, so I make them out of
[01:36:45] that and I laminate the wood and, um, my
[01:36:47] local the steel laborers, um, they
[01:36:50] needed a project one year when I was
[01:36:51] mayor of Knox County and I and somebody
[01:36:54] said, "Hey, they want to these guys want
[01:36:56] to make a a skateboard press." They
[01:36:58] said, "Do you want one?" I said, "Yeah,
[01:36:59] I'll buy the metal." And I'm thinking,
[01:37:01] you know, they're going to build me this
[01:37:02] little thing. No, I mean, it's like
[01:37:04] three burly union metal workers have to
[01:37:07] put this thing in the back of my dad gum
[01:37:09] pickup truck. It is a monster. And it um
[01:37:11] and I can press them, but um and I've
[01:37:14] got clamps and I do all of it. But
[01:37:16] anyway,
[01:37:16] >> that's pretty cool.
[01:37:17] >> Yeah. But but I can't but I can't sell
[01:37:20] them. I got My wife's like,
[01:37:22] >> "What are you doing out there?" And I
[01:37:23] said, "Well, come out there and look at
[01:37:24] my boards, honey. I'm making
[01:37:25] skateboards." And I'm saying I And she
[01:37:27] always
[01:37:28] >> get you out there. That's one I That was
[01:37:30] just one I laminated up, but um or it's
[01:37:32] side laminated. But
[01:37:34] >> my wife always says, "Honey, you go to
[01:37:36] it." She says, "I'm sure they laughed at
[01:37:38] the guy that created the pool noodle."
[01:37:40] That's her line. Always [laughter]
[01:37:42] >> probably Kelly said, "Oh, yeah. Yeah, it
[01:37:44] was just a piece of insulation off some
[01:37:46] old rental house and he threw it in the
[01:37:47] his kids were swimming with it and he
[01:37:48] thought, man, I'm going to take that 12
[01:37:51] cent piece of foam, take it to Walmart
[01:37:52] and sell it for $6 a piece." And now
[01:37:54] he's probably sitting on some island
[01:37:55] somewhere laughing at us right now. But
[01:37:57] no, I make them and I've been trying to.
[01:38:01] Anyway, it's very frustrating. I got a
[01:38:03] meeting with the attorneys um and the
[01:38:06] chairman of the ethics committee who is
[01:38:07] a really good guy. He and I came to
[01:38:09] Congress together and we're trying to
[01:38:10] work it out. So,
[01:38:12] >> it's not even that it's a lot of money
[01:38:13] in handmade skateboards. Like, the fact
[01:38:16] that you could have insider trading, you
[01:38:17] can't sell handmade skateboards is
[01:38:19] >> that's ridiculous.
[01:38:20] >> A little ridiculous, isn't it?
[01:38:21] >> It's also it's like what what because
[01:38:24] you're famous? Because you're on
[01:38:25] television like is gonna Yeah. They're
[01:38:28] gonna sway my vote because they bought a
[01:38:29] dad gum skateboard from me. Yeah. I I
[01:38:31] took one to an auction and and um and I
[01:38:34] think somebody paid $5,200 for one of
[01:38:36] those decades.
[01:38:37] >> Whoa.
[01:38:38] >> And then some other guy comes up and
[01:38:39] says, "Tim, I was at the bar and I
[01:38:41] missed it. If I give them 5200, will you
[01:38:43] make me one?" So, I got a couple and
[01:38:45] then my friends in Clayurn County um the
[01:38:48] uh the mountains up there, they um they
[01:38:52] uh they chair the committee and they
[01:38:53] asked me and some I thought I was making
[01:38:55] one and then when I got out of there I
[01:38:57] was making three. So, I don't know. And
[01:38:58] then I people just like them and they
[01:39:00] put them on their wall. I mean, you
[01:39:02] know, you're not going to be in the
[01:39:02] Olympics with Tony Hawk's not going to
[01:39:04] go, "Hey, Tim Burchie, will you make me
[01:39:06] a board?" You know, but it's it's just
[01:39:08] for cruising down the sidewalk kind of
[01:39:10] thing.
[01:39:11] >> That's awesome. That's awesome. It sucks
[01:39:13] that they won't let you sell it though.
[01:39:14] That's
[01:39:14] >> Yeah,
[01:39:16] you sell your soul, but I can't sell a
[01:39:18] skateboard.
[01:39:19] >> Speaking of selling, um, you were
[01:39:21] telling me earlier before we started,
[01:39:24] and I said, "Save this because I want to
[01:39:25] talk about this later."
[01:39:26] >> Yeah.
[01:39:26] >> That the Taliban gets how many millions
[01:39:29] of dollars a week?
[01:39:30] >> About $40 million a week. Um,
[01:39:34] it all happened. I was on a um a
[01:39:38] podcast and they were talking about it
[01:39:40] and um Sean Ryan and he had he I love
[01:39:44] that dude.
[01:39:45] >> Yeah. Great American. I love him. He's
[01:39:48] >> he's a good Christian man. He's been
[01:39:49] through it. You know, he's an incredible
[01:39:51] guy that they've asked to do horrible
[01:39:54] things.
[01:39:55] >> And people like that, I give them a wide
[01:39:57] path. I let them slide on a lot of
[01:39:59] things. But he's he's a good daddy and
[01:40:01] and um you know he just and he he he
[01:40:04] worries about our country. He reminds me
[01:40:06] a lot of my dad because dad was you
[01:40:07] couldn't wake my dad up um to the day he
[01:40:10] died over the top of him always by his
[01:40:12] big toe cuz he cuz he might wake up on
[01:40:14] one of those islands and pin me against
[01:40:17] the wall. His marine on Peloo and
[01:40:19] Okinawa and
[01:40:21] >> daddy's colonel was a guy named Chesty
[01:40:22] Puller. Colonel Puller you can look him
[01:40:24] up. He was a Marine Corps legend, but
[01:40:26] and my daddy loved him. But um anyway,
[01:40:30] the um I'm I'm on this podcast with
[01:40:33] Shawn and he says, "Hey, I want you to
[01:40:35] introduce Eli Crane. He's a He's a
[01:40:37] excuse me, Navy Seal in Congress." He
[01:40:38] said, "I want you to go on this podcast
[01:40:40] with Shawn Ryan." I said, "I don't know
[01:40:42] who Shawn Ryan is. I don't I'm not a
[01:40:44] podcast guy. I don't My daughter always
[01:40:46] give me your phone. I don't know how to
[01:40:48] do it." And all of a sudden, I got a
[01:40:49] cool picture of her on there. I don't
[01:40:50] even know how she did it. But so I'm on
[01:40:53] there and um and he calls me and says,
[01:40:56] "I want you to meet with this guy." He
[01:40:58] goes by the name Legend, and that's not
[01:41:00] his real name, but um he um he he comes
[01:41:05] up he comes into the office and he has
[01:41:07] to he can't use his real name and uh and
[01:41:10] says, "Look, they're getting $40 million
[01:41:12] a week." I said, "Who is?" He said, "The
[01:41:13] Taliban." And he's a he's a um Afghani
[01:41:18] that fought for us. And so he's dual
[01:41:20] citizenship introduc you know I talked
[01:41:22] to the pre for last democratically
[01:41:25] elected president of Afghanistan through
[01:41:26] him on a on a call and um and he's a
[01:41:30] dear friend and he comes by all the time
[01:41:33] and we talk and and so John Stout in my
[01:41:36] office who's like he's the best. I mean
[01:41:39] this guy his mom and daddy were in a
[01:41:41] very tragic car accident and they um
[01:41:44] they prayed through it and and they both
[01:41:46] lived. I mean, daddy had to get, you
[01:41:48] know, his banged up and his mama's head
[01:41:50] got banged up pretty bad. And John's
[01:41:52] just he's he is the quintessential
[01:41:55] staffer because he's so loyal and he
[01:41:58] loves this country. And so he said,
[01:41:59] "Boss, I think I got an idea." I said,
[01:42:01] "All right." So he figured out this
[01:42:03] monitoring thing where what they do is
[01:42:06] they um they send they send pallets of
[01:42:09] cash to them through whatever and they
[01:42:12] uh there's three banks in um over there
[01:42:16] that are owned by the Taliban and
[01:42:18] everything goes through them. You know
[01:42:20] the Lord takes 10% with tithe and but
[01:42:23] the Taliban takes a hell of a lot more.
[01:42:25] They take it right off the top and on
[01:42:27] ingress and egress. If you give them
[01:42:29] money or take money away, I mean, or if
[01:42:31] you spend money or put money in or
[01:42:33] whatever you take in or pay out, they
[01:42:35] get their cut off of it every dadum
[01:42:37] time. And so I'm thinking, this can't be
[01:42:40] right. So I got a memo on my desk from
[01:42:43] the State Department. It's stamped
[01:42:45] classified, so I can't talk about it,
[01:42:47] but then it's stamped unclassified under
[01:42:49] it, so I can talk about it. And it
[01:42:52] basically said under the Biden
[01:42:53] administration, they think we gave them
[01:42:55] $5 billion with a B5 $5 billion.
[01:42:59] Now,
[01:43:01] and you've got NOS's. Now, how many
[01:43:03] NOS's you think operate out of over
[01:43:05] there?
[01:43:06] >> Oh, how many?
[01:43:07] >> Over a thousand. And then you throw in
[01:43:09] the United Nations and the
[01:43:11] >> out of Afghanistan.
[01:43:12] >> Yeah. It's just
[01:43:13] >> there's a thousand NOS.
[01:43:14] >> It's the freakest it's the biggest scam.
[01:43:17] NOS's. I wrote a letter to the president
[01:43:19] months ago and I'm they've tapped the
[01:43:21] brakes on the NOS's. I mean, some of
[01:43:23] them don't have any money and some of
[01:43:24] them got a lot. But Elon Musk told me
[01:43:28] like I really know him. I mean, I've
[01:43:29] hung out with him a couple times and we
[01:43:31] talked. Called me Tim, which I thought
[01:43:32] was pretty cool. Um, but he says uh um
[01:43:36] [snorts] he says, "Tim, here's how these
[01:43:38] NOS's work." He said, "You know, they
[01:43:40] start out as a good organization. maybe
[01:43:42] during Bush one or Bush two, you know, a
[01:43:44] lot of those limousine liberals,
[01:43:45] dogooders, you know, they start these
[01:43:47] organizations and they um they set them
[01:43:50] up and and to do, you know, feed the
[01:43:53] starving children or whatever. Well,
[01:43:56] they don't have any money in them and
[01:43:58] some billionaire who we could we all
[01:44:00] know, you can just name them. They'll
[01:44:03] drop a million in one of those and then
[01:44:04] this unelected bureaucrat in Washington
[01:44:06] DC says, "Hey, they got a million
[01:44:08] dollars. This place is legit." And so
[01:44:10] they give them money. They put the money
[01:44:12] in there for them and then they start
[01:44:15] running federal money through that.
[01:44:17] Yours and my tax dollars. And he told me
[01:44:20] he thinks they stole over a trillion
[01:44:22] dollars. I thought at the time I thought
[01:44:24] that was crazy. But then I start looking
[01:44:26] at um uh you know what happened in
[01:44:30] Minneapolis Minnesota 19 billion.
[01:44:33] >> Joe, when I went to state legislature,
[01:44:36] our our state budget of Tennessee wasn't
[01:44:38] $19 billion as years ago. So, it's a lot
[01:44:41] more than that now, but that's the the
[01:44:44] amount of fraud and waste and abuse that
[01:44:46] go on. Well, so back backtrack to this
[01:44:49] deal. So, I get involved with it and um
[01:44:53] and and it it's just unbelievable. It
[01:44:56] took me two I passed the bill twice. The
[01:44:59] second time my buddy John Stout in the
[01:45:01] office there, he comes up with even
[01:45:02] stronger version. And so, we send it to
[01:45:05] the Senate. And so we find out that
[01:45:08] there's a Senate staffer that
[01:45:13] somebody said he's like the unofficial
[01:45:15] uh ambassador to Afghanistan. He's I've
[01:45:18] literally read where he said it seem
[01:45:20] appears to me complimentary things about
[01:45:23] the Taliban. Now those people want to
[01:45:25] kill us. They'll as I like to say
[01:45:27] they'll hate us for free. We don't need
[01:45:28] to give them any money. Well, it's like
[01:45:30] pull it's like pulling teeth through my
[01:45:32] committee. the Democrats raised ruckus
[01:45:35] and uh because obviously they don't want
[01:45:37] anybody looking at those NOS's and the
[01:45:39] NGO money now get this it maybe a little
[01:45:43] bit goes to feed some starving kid but a
[01:45:46] lot of it gets washed and it goes back
[01:45:49] to the good old United States of
[01:45:50] America. Are you familiar with dark
[01:45:52] money and campaigns?
[01:45:53] >> Yes. You know, you're and I'll the folks
[01:45:56] back home the day before the election,
[01:45:59] the the people for American justice
[01:46:02] approved this ad. Did you know Tim
[01:46:04] Burchett, you know, pushed his second
[01:46:06] grade girlfriend down in a mud puddle
[01:46:08] and never apologized? That's what
[01:46:10] happened, you know, and then paid for by
[01:46:12] the people for America justice, you
[01:46:14] know, you know, and then but what's
[01:46:16] happened is is that money that you're
[01:46:18] sending over there is coming back in the
[01:46:19] form of dark money. And we've got and
[01:46:21] and I I think both parties are involved
[01:46:23] with it at some point. I think the
[01:46:26] Democrats have had the had a run of it
[01:46:28] and they've they've got a they've got it
[01:46:30] pretty much closed. They've got a pretty
[01:46:32] good market going on it in my opinion.
[01:46:34] [snorts] And there are probably some
[01:46:35] Republicans I think I know of that are
[01:46:37] that have some dark money too. And uh
[01:46:40] not necessarily from this but from other
[01:46:42] things. And then you start talking about
[01:46:43] the UN. The UN has got and and everybody
[01:46:46] say that's UN Burch. We don't have the
[01:46:48] heck we don't. We sponsor the freaking
[01:46:50] UN. If it was up to me, I'd pull out of
[01:46:52] the dad ggum UN. They are nothing. All
[01:46:54] they do is get Americans killed. They
[01:46:57] they they talk ugly about us and then
[01:46:59] they take our dad gum money and we let
[01:47:00] them do it because crooked politicians
[01:47:03] are in bed. Washington is crooked as a
[01:47:05] dog's leg, Joe. And this and this bill
[01:47:08] makes them report it and and and follow
[01:47:11] the money so we know where it's going.
[01:47:12] And if it's going to the pal Taliban,
[01:47:15] it's out. And so can you just explain to
[01:47:17] me how they would justify sending money
[01:47:20] to the Taliban and what what is like
[01:47:23] what is the circumstance like how do
[01:47:24] they
[01:47:25] >> they justify it by saying it doesn't
[01:47:26] happen. They justify it by saying it
[01:47:29] doesn't happen. But I'm talking to a guy
[01:47:31] that's got a legend who's got people on
[01:47:33] the ground and and the people over there
[01:47:35] the the freedom fight are saying please
[01:47:36] quit sending them money. police and you
[01:47:38] know they when we left over there you
[01:47:41] know we left how many billions of
[01:47:43] dollars worth of of armaments on the
[01:47:45] ground they said oh uh you know I mean I
[01:47:48] heard Democrats saying well those people
[01:47:50] can't fly those high-end choppers well
[01:47:52] you know who could the dadgum Chinese
[01:47:54] who were on the ground before we got out
[01:47:56] of there right
[01:47:57] >> so it's it's just a crooked game it's a
[01:48:00] small portion I know
[01:48:01] >> but explain how's the money getting to
[01:48:03] them
[01:48:04] >> okay it is sent to them um through these
[01:48:07] NOS's and other organizations and so
[01:48:10] >> so we fund the NOS's
[01:48:12] >> correct
[01:48:13] >> the NOS send money to the Taliban why
[01:48:15] why would they do that
[01:48:18] >> because they get a cut off of it they
[01:48:20] don't care
[01:48:21] >> okay so the Taliban gets 40 million and
[01:48:24] then they send that money back
[01:48:26] >> some of it comes back and some of it
[01:48:28] doesn't um
[01:48:30] >> but as long as they get a piece of it
[01:48:31] they don't care how much the Taliban
[01:48:33] gets
[01:48:33] >> right it this requires a report on any
[01:48:36] cash assistant programs in Afghanistan
[01:48:38] and how the US keeps the Taliban from
[01:48:40] assessing that. And it requires a report
[01:48:42] on the Afghan fund and the Afghanistan
[01:48:45] central bank. And these reports, of
[01:48:47] course, would shed light on the
[01:48:48] Taliban's influence over the Afghanistan
[01:48:50] central bank. And you can um you can
[01:48:54] research it. A lot of it is is these
[01:48:55] dogooder programs, you know, oh man,
[01:48:57] we're taking care of the orphans. We're
[01:48:58] taking care of this. And you know good
[01:48:59] and well they ain't taking care of any
[01:49:01] dad gum orphans. They're stealing the
[01:49:03] money to do it.
[01:49:04] >> And it just infuriates me. And then I
[01:49:06] hear them say, "Well, it's not
[01:49:07] happening." I say, "Well, if it's not
[01:49:08] happening, then dad gum it pass the
[01:49:10] bill. What's it hurt?
[01:49:11] >> What's it hurt?" We pass
[01:49:14] worthless legislation every dad gum day.
[01:49:16] And you know, and I can't get a peep. I
[01:49:18] said to Thone when he came in when King
[01:49:20] Charles was in which was kind of funny,
[01:49:22] too. I had funny conversation. King
[01:49:23] Charles,
[01:49:24] >> by the way, no kings.
[01:49:25] >> I'm not a king. Yeah. Yeah. What about
[01:49:27] that? I was
[01:49:29] What the heck? I got a picture. There's
[01:49:30] a picture of me. I did a video on my ex
[01:49:32] account at Tim Burchett. See, I threw
[01:49:34] that plug in. But um
[01:49:36] >> Central Bank of Afghanistan said it
[01:49:38] received another injection of $40
[01:49:39] million in cash this week. And this is
[01:49:42] literally $100 bills in stacks. Is that
[01:49:46] real? Is that what is that? A stock
[01:49:48] photo or is that them showing a
[01:49:50] photograph of the money they received?
[01:49:51] Cuz I can't imagine they're sending
[01:49:53] bricks of cash.
[01:49:54] >> Oh yeah, absolutely. It's pallets. It's
[01:49:56] called a pallet of cash.
[01:49:57] >> What?
[01:49:57] >> I'm reading through this explanation of
[01:49:59] it from these reports. It's uh he's
[01:50:01] saying exactly what these are all
[01:50:02] saying, but this is a lot of
[01:50:03] >> and I'm not as I'm look
[01:50:05] >> explanation in here.
[01:50:07] >> I got I got a mutual fund. I don't
[01:50:09] understand all the money, but when I see
[01:50:10] here $40 million going overseas,
[01:50:13] >> but in cash too is crazy.
[01:50:14] >> There's no record of it.
[01:50:16] >> Take it and divvy it up and
[01:50:19] >> yeah, this is it every day. The UN is
[01:50:21] responsible for purchasing,
[01:50:22] transporting, and transferring at least
[01:50:24] $2.9 billion in US currency to
[01:50:27] Afghanistan. This was from 2024, I
[01:50:29] think, when this was printed. [laughter]
[01:50:31] >> So that they have to find the cash on,
[01:50:33] you know,
[01:50:34] >> call your senator and say, "I want this
[01:50:35] damn bill on the floor."
[01:50:37] >> Crazy.
[01:50:38] >> It's passed the committee. And it was
[01:50:40] like pulling teeth. It was cuz
[01:50:42] apparently I offended somebody, which
[01:50:44] I'm sure I did now. But
[01:50:45] >> but I don't understand why anybody
[01:50:47] wouldn't recognize that giving money to
[01:50:49] a an organization that hates us, a
[01:50:52] fundamentalist religious organization
[01:50:54] that hates,
[01:50:55] >> they're not a religion. They're not a
[01:50:56] religion. They're a they're a a cult or
[01:51:00] um
[01:51:00] >> yeah, whatever you want to call it.
[01:51:01] Since it first cash shipment, UN has
[01:51:03] made at least 80 purchases of cash for
[01:51:07] transport to Afghanistan. 80 80
[01:51:10] purchases of $40 million. The UN
[01:51:12] reported reported that it began
[01:51:14] purchasing and shipping cash because of
[01:51:17] Afghan's bank's inability to participate
[01:51:19] in international wire transfers and
[01:51:21] Afghanistan's lack of domestic currency
[01:51:23] circulating throughout its economy. Oh,
[01:51:25] so we got to help them out. and give $40
[01:51:27] million a week.
[01:51:28] >> Yeah. And the starving kids are still
[01:51:30] starving and the little orphans aren't
[01:51:31] being taken care of and they're still
[01:51:33] throwing gays off of buildings and
[01:51:36] poking little girls eyes out.
[01:51:37] >> Any gays left? I mean,
[01:51:39] >> well, they got to be in the closet.
[01:51:40] >> They are in the closet. There's a lot of
[01:51:42] that. A lot of pedophilia. I have some
[01:51:44] buddies that served over some horrible
[01:51:46] stories.
[01:51:46] >> Guys wanted to Yeah. Guy was going to
[01:51:48] frag a Afghan general or something one
[01:51:51] time. He told me and he he used to work
[01:51:53] for me and he had he had mental issues
[01:51:55] over it. Oh, it's horrible. Yeah, I've
[01:51:57] heard horrible horrible stories. It's
[01:51:58] just
[01:51:58] >> my dad my dad wouldn't go back to
[01:52:00] Okinawa because of if I can digress
[01:52:02] quickly. Uh they daddy went back for the
[01:52:05] 50th anniversary of the invasion of
[01:52:07] Peloo and he said I said you going to go
[01:52:09] back to 50th because you know those
[01:52:11] Marines that's not a lot of those guys
[01:52:12] are left you know and they're all gone
[01:52:13] now. But he said I ain't going to go
[01:52:15] back to Okanawa. And he said he told me
[01:52:18] this story. He said they came over this
[01:52:19] hill and a corsair caught a bunch of
[01:52:22] Japanese out in this field. He's called
[01:52:24] dad called it a lucky strike. Dad love a
[01:52:27] corser. That thing dive at over 400
[01:52:28] miles an hour and just lit them up.
[01:52:31] Caught them out, obliterated them and
[01:52:33] they run up on them and um they had been
[01:52:35] raping some of the islanders or Korean
[01:52:38] girls that they they collected and um
[01:52:41] and I think that messed with my dad all
[01:52:43] the stuff he saw blowing caves and
[01:52:45] shooting people up close and that's what
[01:52:48] he said. I won't go into it because I
[01:52:50] got a daughter that's gonna be watching
[01:52:51] this thing, but um it was and and that's
[01:52:55] that's what scarred my daddy.
[01:52:58] >> You would have loved him. He was
[01:53:01] my buddy uh my buddy Chris Hagerty, he
[01:53:04] got a he got a Acura for Christmas when
[01:53:06] it was a bright red Acura and you know
[01:53:08] Acura's not made in America at the time.
[01:53:11] And dad goes, "Hag," he says, and my
[01:53:14] daddy was a dean at UT, dean of student
[01:53:16] country. He goes, "Where's that thing
[01:53:16] made?" And he goes, "I reckon it's made
[01:53:19] in Japan, CB." And dad goes, "I reckon
[01:53:22] you're going to be parking that thing
[01:53:24] out in the street." Daddy just went back
[01:53:25] in the kitchen. Hag went out and moved
[01:53:27] his actor out on the street. Nobody
[01:53:29] messed with my dad. He was I remember
[01:53:31] the neighbor one time she comes over
[01:53:33] there and said, "Somebody's in my
[01:53:34] house." And I was like, "What?" And I'm
[01:53:36] downstairs and I run upstairs and dad
[01:53:39] runs by me with a Browning High Power. I
[01:53:41] mean, he's probably 70 years old and he
[01:53:43] was clearing that house. He ran in that
[01:53:45] house and I remember mom was on the
[01:53:46] phone. who says, "Don't shoot my
[01:53:48] husband. He's in a blue powder leisure
[01:53:50] suit." [laughter]
[01:53:52] Oh man, he was something else. He was uh
[01:53:55] Yeah, mama was something else, too. They
[01:53:57] were They were They were real
[01:53:59] Christians. So, they weren't bumper
[01:54:00] sticker kind of Christians. People would
[01:54:02] I would uh And I to this day, I don't
[01:54:05] like I love the Waffle House, you know,
[01:54:07] it's America's premier steakhouse. And
[01:54:09] um and I go in there and um and I don't
[01:54:11] I don't like eating breakfast food any
[01:54:14] other time than at breakfast because I
[01:54:16] can always remember as a little boy,
[01:54:17] daddy would always pick up somebody on
[01:54:18] the interstate, somebody broke down,
[01:54:20] black folks, white folks, you know,
[01:54:22] anybody and um or some UT student that
[01:54:25] was having a little rough go and bring
[01:54:27] them to the house and there wouldn't be
[01:54:28] enough hamburgers for me, my brother,
[01:54:30] sister, and I, you know, the five of us.
[01:54:32] And but mama could make enough
[01:54:34] breakfast. And I always knew that daddy
[01:54:36] had brought somebody home and we were
[01:54:38] going to be eating breakfast. We were
[01:54:39] gonna be eating breakfast for supper.
[01:54:40] And that always ticked me off as a kid.
[01:54:42] You know, I didn't understand at the
[01:54:44] time, but now I realize I had pretty
[01:54:46] cool parents. So
[01:54:47] >> that's awesome.
[01:54:48] >> Can I show you a cool picture of my
[01:54:49] mama?
[01:54:50] >> Sure.
[01:54:50] >> She flew an airplane during the Second
[01:54:52] World War. She was um I was hanging out
[01:54:55] with Kid Rock one time, and I'm going to
[01:54:56] use a little language here, Bobby. And
[01:54:59] um and I said, "I know your your thing
[01:55:01] is you're the American badass." I said,
[01:55:03] "But I was raised by the American
[01:55:04] badasses." And I got pictures dad on
[01:55:06] Peloo and Okinawa and with his Thompson
[01:55:08] submachine gun stuff. Here's my mama.
[01:55:10] Somebody colorizes. She's just a little
[01:55:12] country girl.
[01:55:13] >> Wow.
[01:55:14] >> And flying an airplane during the
[01:55:15] second. Her brother Roy who was 33 years
[01:55:17] old got killed in the hedge.
[01:55:19] >> Wow.
[01:55:20] >> She's a beautiful woman. They colorized
[01:55:21] that.
[01:55:22] >> Crazy.
[01:55:23] >> And I'm an unrepentant mama's boy.
[01:55:25] >> That's a crazy picture.
[01:55:27] >> Yeah, that's crazy. She got her foot up
[01:55:28] and I've got a picture of my daughter.
[01:55:30] We were at the air show and the guy had
[01:55:31] a biplane over there and he wasn't going
[01:55:33] to There it is. There it is. That's the
[01:55:34] Oh, thank you, Jamie. You're the man.
[01:55:36] But that's in Nashville. And somebody it
[01:55:39] was National Women's Aviators Day and
[01:55:42] everybody's showing all these pictures
[01:55:43] of these women and I I said, "Well, I'm
[01:55:45] going to have to one up y'all." And I I
[01:55:47] put that up there and somebody sent it
[01:55:49] to me. I didn't know, just a supporter,
[01:55:50] not even in my district. And they
[01:55:51] colorized it for me. Wow. And so I was
[01:55:54] uh you know and that company that I
[01:55:57] can't read the name off of all the
[01:55:58] parachute but I think they're still in
[01:56:00] business and but anyway that was in
[01:56:02] Nashville. You can see they're on dirt
[01:56:04] and um and the the crazy thing was when
[01:56:07] she qualified I don't know how long how
[01:56:08] many how long you got to fly with an
[01:56:10] instructor before you solo. Well, they
[01:56:12] messed up and they did it in half they
[01:56:14] they did the math wrong on it, which was
[01:56:17] crazy because mama was a math teacher,
[01:56:18] but she was a country girl and she she
[01:56:20] was she's in it for the fight and she's
[01:56:22] a lot like my wife. My wife is a
[01:56:24] fighter, too. She um you don't get
[01:56:27] between her, anybody in her family, but
[01:56:29] but um mama um they uh she soloed in
[01:56:33] half the time that she was supposed to.
[01:56:35] And you know, the war's going on and and
[01:56:37] they I've still got her little log book
[01:56:40] and um and they tried to redo the math
[01:56:42] on it and it was wrong. But you know,
[01:56:44] mama just daddy said, "Yeah, I bet she
[01:56:46] cleared out a fence row when she
[01:56:47] landed." And then uh no, she was pretty
[01:56:50] cool.
[01:56:51] >> It's got to be an a terrible slap in the
[01:56:54] face of these people that served in
[01:56:56] Afghanistan to find out that the
[01:56:58] Taliban's getting
[01:56:58] >> my buddy Eli Crane. I just look over at
[01:57:00] him and he's one beautiful human being.
[01:57:04] I love Eli Crane. He is my buddy and um
[01:57:08] um lone survivor. Um
[01:57:11] >> Marcus Latrell.
[01:57:12] >> Yeah. His brother is
[01:57:13] >> Morgan.
[01:57:14] >> Morgan. Yeah. He's the catcher on our on
[01:57:16] our baseball team. And um I was out
[01:57:18] there one day and um we were we we we
[01:57:21] don't actually practice in the best part
[01:57:22] of town. And but we've got security
[01:57:24] everywhere because when they shot Scaliz
[01:57:26] and all those guys years back um we've
[01:57:28] got I feel very secure and heard just
[01:57:32] pop pop and and this young officer DC
[01:57:36] officer said capital policeman said it's
[01:57:39] okay guys I think it's fireworks and
[01:57:41] Morgan took his hat off and goes bett
[01:57:43] that was gunfire and I thought I'm going
[01:57:46] with what Morgan says not going what
[01:57:47] this guy up here says ain't never fired
[01:57:49] a shot in anger and um and I love those
[01:57:52] guys they're wonderful people and I do
[01:57:54] too. I I I hurt for him. I used to hurt
[01:57:56] for my daddy because he would um he'd
[01:57:58] talk about China. They went to China
[01:57:59] after the war and he fought the
[01:58:00] communist over there for a short while
[01:58:03] and then um before he left the Marine
[01:58:06] Corps, but how we just turn them over
[01:58:08] and that he would talk about that and he
[01:58:10] would he would be visibly upset and walk
[01:58:12] away because of that. You know, these we
[01:58:15] just we want to get these wars over and
[01:58:17] we don't we don't deal with the
[01:58:19] repercussions. We don't deal the
[01:58:20] repercussions of we got warriors we need
[01:58:22] to heal and we got to you know and and
[01:58:26] it's just very frustrating to me.
[01:58:28] >> Yeah. Well, you know, kudos to Trump for
[01:58:31] passing this psychedelics bill.
[01:58:33] >> Oh, good gosh. I saw you on that. I love
[01:58:35] that. I I talked because I I didn't know
[01:58:37] anything about it and I and I asked um I
[01:58:40] asked some of those guys about it before
[01:58:42] and they said, "Oh yeah, Burchett, it
[01:58:44] it's I one of one member confided in me
[01:58:47] that he you because he'd been in some of
[01:58:49] the mess and he and I and I told him I
[01:58:51] said, you know, my daddy was had anger
[01:58:53] issues and stuff. He never beat mama or
[01:58:55] me or anybody, but
[01:58:57] >> how could you not?"
[01:58:58] >> I know.
[01:58:59] >> How could you expect That's the crazy
[01:59:00] thing. You expect this of people to do
[01:59:03] horrible things and to see horrible
[01:59:05] things and to come back and just go to
[01:59:07] the grocery store, just be normal. Yeah.
[01:59:08] >> Just sit in traffic, be normal.
[01:59:10] >> I remember one time we were at a UT
[01:59:12] football game and I was a little boy. I
[01:59:13] must have been four or five. And uh
[01:59:16] >> and that we on the 50 yard line. It was
[01:59:18] in the 60s and they they let you bring
[01:59:21] these cowbells and it was the last game
[01:59:22] they let you bring cowbells, too. I
[01:59:24] don't know. probably do it now, but back
[01:59:25] then they they And so this guy was
[01:59:27] sitting behind us and he was drunk and
[01:59:29] he and he took the Lord's name in vain.
[01:59:31] And my daddy said, "Hey." He said, "We
[01:59:34] got ladies down here, you know, my
[01:59:35] sister who was probably seven or eight
[01:59:37] and or and my mama was there." And the
[01:59:40] guy said, "Okay." And then the guy
[01:59:42] spilled his drink on my dad and my mama
[01:59:45] grabbed us all as kids and just rushed
[01:59:47] us out. And and I remembered I was like,
[01:59:49] "No, what's daddy doing?" You know, and
[01:59:51] the UT cops, they love my daddy because
[01:59:52] he was dean of student conduct. He
[01:59:54] always backed them up and um they come
[01:59:56] running down the aisle and literally my
[01:59:57] dad wh beat these guys' ass all three of
[01:59:59] them right there on the 50 yard line at
[02:00:01] Neland Stadium and I was just a little
[02:00:03] boy and I was like he didn't give high
[02:00:05] fives back then but if I had I would
[02:00:06] have given him cuz he was he was pretty
[02:00:09] incredible guy.
[02:00:10] >> Well guys been to war like that man had
[02:00:14] and you come back and
[02:00:16] >> and it wasn't any different than
[02:00:18] thousands of other of his buddies. you
[02:00:19] know, they would get together and talk
[02:00:21] about stuff and and I, you know, we
[02:00:23] didn't drink in the house. My mom and
[02:00:24] daddy didn't let me have a beer can
[02:00:26] collection and daddy's buddy Red Welch
[02:00:28] came over and Red drank beer at the ha
[02:00:31] at the dinner table and it was in the
[02:00:33] 80s. I was in I was gosh I was getting
[02:00:35] ready to go to college and that was
[02:00:37] still no beer in the house and Red was
[02:00:39] drinking beer and I said, "Daddy," I
[02:00:41] said, "What's the deal with Red drinking
[02:00:42] beer?" And he said, "Buddy," he said,
[02:00:44] "you get pinned down on one of them
[02:00:46] islands and you got, you know, you're
[02:00:47] going to get you're going to leave this
[02:00:50] earth pretty soon. There's one guy that
[02:00:51] comes running for you. He can do pretty
[02:00:53] much whatever he wants to in your house,
[02:00:55] and that was Red. I found an old picture
[02:00:57] of him and daddy in China the other
[02:00:58] day." But yeah, daddy had um he had a
[02:01:01] great life, though. He had a [snorts]
[02:01:02] great life. Him and mom are both buried
[02:01:04] at Veteran Cemetery there in Knoxville.
[02:01:06] And you know, to this day, I'm 61 years
[02:01:08] old, and if I go up there, I I I think
[02:01:11] about them and their sacrifice, and I
[02:01:12] cry like a baby because I I go to that
[02:01:14] Capitol, Joe, and I see people just that
[02:01:18] are just going to throw it all away.
[02:01:20] Throw it all away. And to me, that's
[02:01:22] just that's that is unforgivable.
[02:01:25] Unforgivable.
[02:01:27] Well, I'm very happy that some of these
[02:01:30] people that have experienced these
[02:01:31] horrible things have at least a pathway
[02:01:35] to relief now.
[02:01:36] >> Yeah. And that is and and thank you for
[02:01:38] getting involved, brother. That is that
[02:01:40] was huge because I couldn't see that
[02:01:42] ever do what?
[02:01:43] >> Thank Rick Perry. Rick Perry and Brian
[02:01:45] Hubard because if it wasn't for them
[02:01:47] explaining to me what they've been
[02:01:49] through and how it's helped people and
[02:01:50] all the other people that I know like
[02:01:52] Marcus Latrell was a friend who's
[02:01:54] >> dude, it wouldn't happen. I talked to
[02:01:55] everybody and they said it wouldn't have
[02:01:56] happened if it wasn't been for you. You
[02:01:58] use that microphone for for good and I
[02:02:01] appreciate it cuz a lot of people
[02:02:02] aren't.
[02:02:02] >> Well, I never asked them for anything
[02:02:04] >> up until that moment. And I was like, if
[02:02:06] there's a thing that I could do that
[02:02:08] might make the world a little bit of a
[02:02:11] better place.
[02:02:12] >> And the fact that those things were made
[02:02:14] illegal in the first place is just
[02:02:15] ridiculous. It should have never
[02:02:16] happened. They should have been studied
[02:02:18] and we could understand how they could
[02:02:19] help people. Especially when you
[02:02:21] consider how many people are on
[02:02:22] anti-depressants in this country.
[02:02:24] >> Wow. It's epidemic.
[02:02:25] >> Tim Wals's daughter, the guy who was
[02:02:28] running for vice president, his daughter
[02:02:30] just made a post on social media where
[02:02:33] she was talking about how she's been on
[02:02:34] them for 15 years and she's realizing
[02:02:36] that they're a real problem and she
[02:02:38] every time she's tried to get off, it's
[02:02:40] been devastating. And I know people that
[02:02:42] have also been on them that they try to
[02:02:44] get off them like my friend Theo Vaughn
[02:02:47] and the roof falls off and like every
[02:02:50] time he starts talking about something
[02:02:51] that drives them crazy, I just got to
[02:02:53] kind of rein them in and just like calm
[02:02:55] down. Like you know if you've had
[02:02:57] friends take their lives and I've had a
[02:02:59] few.
[02:03:00] >> I've had quite a few.
[02:03:01] >> It's a it's a horrible feeling when you
[02:03:04] think about it and you go, "What could I
[02:03:05] have done? What could I have said? How
[02:03:07] could I have?"
[02:03:08] >> And and so much so we don't know. Um,
[02:03:11] my oldest friend in the world, a guy
[02:03:13] named Scott Davis. He and I were at
[02:03:14] Little Red Schoolhouse together. His his
[02:03:16] brother took his life and he was dep he
[02:03:19] suffered from depression. And this was
[02:03:20] in the 80s and we didn't understand it.
[02:03:22] You know, I was with a guy yesterday,
[02:03:24] one of his best friends, Ben Testerman.
[02:03:26] He was telling me, you know, I I talked
[02:03:29] to him, you know, we I came home, he was
[02:03:31] he's a professional uh tennis player,
[02:03:33] and he came home and was talking to
[02:03:35] Jeff, and he said, he said, I just feel
[02:03:37] like I'm in a hole, and nobody gets
[02:03:39] that. And and and people will say to
[02:03:40] them, I hear people all the time say
[02:03:42] >> say, "Hey, uh just get over it, man."
[02:03:45] You know, go for a jog, man. There's
[02:03:47] some freaking chemical imbalance that we
[02:03:48] don't Something has happened that's
[02:03:50] jarred them that we don't understand.
[02:03:52] And that is if if there's one avenue
[02:03:54] that gets it, you know, and but big
[02:03:57] pharma again, big egg, big farmer, it's
[02:03:59] like hemp. Yeah. Why the hell are we not
[02:04:01] growing hemp, right?
[02:04:02] >> It just drives me crazy.
[02:04:03] >> It drives me crazy as well. It doesn't
[02:04:05] make any sense, especially when you find
[02:04:07] out all the stuff that is legal. It's
[02:04:08] like have some consistency. It doesn't
[02:04:10] make any sense.
[02:04:11] >> How many people do we lose every year?
[02:04:12] And a lot of my friends are in the
[02:04:14] alcohol business, but it's a personal
[02:04:16] responsibility issue with me. You know,
[02:04:18] if you do it, it's your business, but if
[02:04:19] you break the law, Yes.
[02:04:21] >> you know, you're going to the hooch gal.
[02:04:22] >> Yeah. And listen, I'm not a big drinker,
[02:04:24] but I think you should be allowed to
[02:04:26] drink. I think I don't think there's
[02:04:27] anything wrong with being allowed to
[02:04:28] smoke cigarettes. If that's what you
[02:04:29] want to do, you should be able to do it.
[02:04:30] I believe in freedom. But I don't I
[02:04:32] think we should be consistent. and the
[02:04:34] fact that there's these things that
[02:04:35] could help people that are suffering
[02:04:37] from depression, that are suffering from
[02:04:39] opioid addiction, that are suffering
[02:04:40] from all sorts of PTSD and CTE and that
[02:04:45] we have this thing that we've known
[02:04:46] about for decades, and the only person
[02:04:48] the courage to try to push an executive
[02:04:51] order is Trump. And if I
[02:04:53] >> again help that
[02:04:54] >> again, he is he is enemy number one with
[02:04:57] a lot of those people. Well, I mean,
[02:05:00] thank God he's got the kind of courage
[02:05:02] that he has to push stuff like that
[02:05:03] through because it's going to change a
[02:05:06] lot of humans lives, a lot of veterans
[02:05:08] lives, a lot of first responders, a lot
[02:05:09] of police officers, a lot of people that
[02:05:11] have experienced violent crime and just
[02:05:13] it's going to change a lot of people.
[02:05:15] >> Women that have been abused and all the
[02:05:17] above and they're not like going to be
[02:05:20] walking around like some kind of crazy
[02:05:21] zombies thing. It's a it's a very
[02:05:23] controlled thing. And
[02:05:25] >> especially Ibagane. Ibeane is not
[02:05:27] recreational in any shape or form. No
[02:05:29] one's taken it recreationally. I've
[02:05:31] never done it, but I've heard it's a
[02:05:32] terrible experience, but you come out on
[02:05:34] the other end of it. And
[02:05:35] >> Rick Perry was also talking about how
[02:05:37] he's experienced natural brain atrophy
[02:05:39] being a man in his 70s. Yeah.
[02:05:41] >> He went and got an examination after he
[02:05:43] did it and his brain atrophy had dropped
[02:05:45] by 25%. He went back in 6 months later.
[02:05:47] It was all gone. Just that alone. Wow.
[02:05:50] Think about all the elderly people out
[02:05:52] there that are suffering for memory loss
[02:05:54] and all these different issues that
[02:05:55] people have that that could fix them and
[02:05:58] that it's literally just one experience
[02:06:00] that you have that takes 12 hours and
[02:06:02] when it's over you're better. That's
[02:06:05] crazy. And that we've keep kept this
[02:06:06] from people. There's no chance of people
[02:06:08] being addicted.
[02:06:09] >> The money somebody wants to control.
[02:06:11] >> But at some point in time we've got to
[02:06:12] be human. All these money people have to
[02:06:14] realize you're you only have a certain
[02:06:16] amount of time on on this planet. need
[02:06:18] to shut them out
[02:06:18] >> and you have an opportunity to make the
[02:06:20] world a better place. And we got to say
[02:06:22] no to people that just want personal
[02:06:25] >> money. They just want personal funds
[02:06:28] that going to go to their money that's
[02:06:30] going to go to their bank accounts,
[02:06:31] going to go to their company, their
[02:06:32] corporation, personal benefit, and at
[02:06:35] the expense of who knows how many
[02:06:38] people, including literal heroes.
[02:06:40] >> When's enough for those guys?
[02:06:42] >> Yeah. When is enough enough? I mean,
[02:06:44] this is the same feeling that I have
[02:06:45] about this disclosure stuff. Like I
[02:06:47] don't care what it's going to affect. I
[02:06:50] don't care like if there's real things
[02:06:54] out there that we don't know about. You
[02:06:56] as a human being have no right to keep
[02:06:59] that from the rest of humanity. There's
[02:07:01] I don't care what your title is. I don't
[02:07:05] care what three-letter organization you
[02:07:06] work for. You're a human being and you
[02:07:09] have an obligation to the other human
[02:07:11] beings to alert us. The fact that
[02:07:13] there's people that have if this is real
[02:07:15] and there's people that have gone to
[02:07:16] their grave with this information that
[02:07:17] would literally change the course of
[02:07:18] human history. That's a crime. It's a
[02:07:21] real crime.
[02:07:22] >> Could you imagine the poor countries,
[02:07:24] the people that suffer, you know, the
[02:07:26] deserts and things like that if you
[02:07:28] could you could cool their huts or
[02:07:31] whatever and we get out of these
[02:07:33] worthless wars which are over oil all
[02:07:35] the time, right? And it just it would
[02:07:37] end it all in just a stroke of the pen
[02:07:39] almost.
[02:07:40] >> What do you think it is like when when
[02:07:42] you
[02:07:43] >> I've I go back and forth. I I know it's
[02:07:46] a little crazy and this will probably
[02:07:47] cost me action because they've tried to
[02:07:48] use it against me in the past.
[02:07:50] >> It will only help you at this point.
[02:07:51] >> Well, I think um I think we need to look
[02:07:54] at these deep water areas. I have a hard
[02:07:56] time believing that something can travel
[02:07:58] light years in some suspended state.
[02:08:00] They have to be in some kind of
[02:08:01] suspended state. So, I have a trouble
[02:08:03] with that. Um, those five gentlemen that
[02:08:06] came to my house, four or five, they
[02:08:08] came to my house that time, they were
[02:08:10] talking about a moon that was around
[02:08:13] Saturn or Jupiter that they done some
[02:08:16] testing with that they that they think
[02:08:18] would be capable of something. And the
[02:08:20] moon was larger than our Earth, of
[02:08:22] course. But, um,
[02:08:23] >> there's a moon that's larger than our
[02:08:25] Earth.
[02:08:25] >> Yeah. Around Jupiter or Saturn, I
[02:08:27] >> That doesn't make any sense. I don't
[02:08:28] think that's correct.
[02:08:29] >> Yeah, maybe I'm wrong. Check it out.
[02:08:30] >> Yeah. No, no, no. There's no moons that
[02:08:32] are larger than a planet.
[02:08:34] >> No, it's not.
[02:08:35] >> I don't think so. Our planet.
[02:08:36] >> Well,
[02:08:36] >> I don't believe that's true.
[02:08:38] >> Circles around it. I don't know. Anyway,
[02:08:40] I'm wrong.
[02:08:40] >> Is that Is that accurate?
[02:08:42] >> Do I not know about this?
[02:08:43] >> Says Earth's moon, though.
[02:08:45] >> Yeah, but there's not I don't believe
[02:08:46] there's a moon out there that's larger
[02:08:48] than our planet.
[02:08:49] >> These guys seem to think that something
[02:08:50] could travel from there. And it was the
[02:08:52] quantum physics. I you know after
[02:08:54] talking to that admiral you know it
[02:08:56] makes me wonder if there is something in
[02:08:57] these deep ocean areas that the old
[02:08:59] cliche we know more about the surface of
[02:09:01] the moon than we do the surface the
[02:09:03] ocean floor in some areas I think is
[02:09:06] true because we're not down there
[02:09:08] >> logically this is that's the one place
[02:09:10] where we don't go and it covers 75% of
[02:09:13] the earth at least right
[02:09:14] >> and if you wanted to hide that would be
[02:09:17] I mean if you were monitoring humans
[02:09:19] let's say that humans are on this path
[02:09:22] of technological evolution and then they
[02:09:25] recognize that humans have split the
[02:09:27] atom. We've developed atomic weapons and
[02:09:29] we've used them and they want to make
[02:09:33] sure that we don't blow up the entire
[02:09:34] planet before we achieve some sort of
[02:09:36] enlightenment, before we bypass whatever
[02:09:40] territorial primate
[02:09:43] monkey brain stuff that we have that's
[02:09:45] causing us to have all these wars and do
[02:09:47] all these things that we shouldn't be
[02:09:48] doing.
[02:09:49] >> And that we're on our way. We're getting
[02:09:50] better. We're clearly better than we
[02:09:52] were a thousand years ago and better
[02:09:53] than we were 3,000 years ago. We're on
[02:09:55] our way to being a more advanced
[02:09:57] civilization, but it's possible that we
[02:10:00] could screw it all up at any point in
[02:10:01] time and blow ourselves to smitherines.
[02:10:03] I would imagine they would want to
[02:10:05] monitor us.
[02:10:06] >> One maniac in Iran. Yeah.
[02:10:07] >> If they hadn't had stopped that their
[02:10:09] nuclear I'm convinced that they're I
[02:10:11] mean they were out for Armageddon.
[02:10:13] They'd have launched something. They had
[02:10:15] the capabilities to go all the way to
[02:10:16] England. I think if they put one close
[02:10:18] to Israel, it'd be over. And you know,
[02:10:20] people like North Korea who have
[02:10:22] terrible technology on missiles, the
[02:10:24] biggest threat there was if they put one
[02:10:26] up in the air that the nuclear cloud
[02:10:28] could blow over China. And so there's
[02:10:31] that could have had some incredible bad
[02:10:33] repercussions.
[02:10:34] >> Well, the fact that there's so many
[02:10:35] different countries that have nuclear
[02:10:36] weapons and we're just relying on these
[02:10:38] people to keep their together is
[02:10:39] nuts.
[02:10:40] >> It's nuts. Completely nuts.
[02:10:42] >> And and they're and they're maniacs.
[02:10:45] >> Yeah. Well, it's it makes sense that if
[02:10:48] you were a super advanced life form from
[02:10:50] wherever, that if you wanted to have
[02:10:52] base, some sort of a base where you'd
[02:10:54] monitor us, it would be in the ocean.
[02:10:56] You'd be right there. You could get out
[02:10:57] of it real quick and go to wherever you
[02:10:59] wanted to go.
[02:11:01] >> Orbs was the thing I was thinking of
[02:11:02] earlier. Orbs. That's that's the new
[02:11:05] word that you hear a lot of. And it's
[02:11:07] getting away from saucers and
[02:11:08] >> Well, there's a lot of weird stuff with
[02:11:09] orbs where people say that they could
[02:11:11] summon them.
[02:11:12] >> Yeah, I'm I'm not on that. There's
[02:11:14] someone a friend of mine wants me to go
[02:11:16] and do it with her. She's she's uh my
[02:11:19] friend's wife is like experienced it and
[02:11:21] she's like, "You got to try it." I'm
[02:11:22] like, "Oh,
[02:11:23] >> now that to me is
[02:11:24] >> I'll I'll say who it is when she comes
[02:11:25] on the podcast next. I don't know. I
[02:11:27] don't know. I don't have permission to
[02:11:28] talk about it. I don't know if she wants
[02:11:29] me to talk about it, but
[02:11:31] >> uh I'm like, "Okay, what do we got to
[02:11:33] do?"
[02:11:33] >> Be careful about the sex cult.
[02:11:36] >> Well, she's not. That's not I'm worried
[02:11:37] about that.
[02:11:38] >> I know. You're a good-look guy, Joe.
[02:11:39] >> No, no, no. She's
[02:11:40] >> She might be digging you.
[02:11:41] >> No, no, no, no, no, no. This ain't that.
[02:11:43] This is not that. She's been my friend
[02:11:45] for 20 years. It's not She's married to
[02:11:47] my friend. She has kids. Now,
[02:11:48] >> I'm saying the angle that they use.
[02:11:50] >> Well, this lady's not that. She's a
[02:11:52] comedian. This is not that.
[02:11:55] >> Uh is But there are a lot of kooky
[02:11:57] people that do uh have sex cults. That
[02:12:00] the sex cult every cult turns into a sex
[02:12:03] cult, right?
[02:12:04] >> Power.
[02:12:05] >> You know, I almost bought a building in
[02:12:06] Austin that was owned by a cult.
[02:12:08] >> No, really?
[02:12:09] >> Yeah. Yeah. Um, the original comedy
[02:12:11] Mothership was uh the original location
[02:12:14] was a place called the One World
[02:12:16] Theater. The One World Theater was owned
[02:12:18] by this cult. And uh I kind of knew
[02:12:21] about it because Ron White told me about
[02:12:22] it cuz they had this theater that they
[02:12:25] built to uh so that their leader can
[02:12:28] perform in front of them. And then the
[02:12:30] cult got disbanded. The cult there's a
[02:12:33] documentary about the cult called Holy
[02:12:34] Hell. And uh yeah, it's crazy. It's cra
[02:12:38] but it's a sex cult. There was a guy who
[02:12:39] is a, get this, he started out in
[02:12:42] California and he was a gay porn star
[02:12:44] and a hypnotist, which is a wonderful
[02:12:47] combination if you want to start a club
[02:12:48] >> like you do.
[02:12:49] >> Yeah. And also a yoga teacher. So, he
[02:12:52] starts out teaching these people yoga.
[02:12:54] And I don't know if I've ever taken yoga
[02:12:55] before.
[02:12:56] >> I've taken a bunch of yoga classes with
[02:12:58] bunch of different instructors and most
[02:13:00] of them have been amazing, but a few of
[02:13:02] them were very culty. Very culty. And
[02:13:05] there's this one guy that I took classes
[02:13:06] from way back in the day, like more than
[02:13:08] 20 years ago. And he was in California
[02:13:10] and he was sleeping with a bunch of the
[02:13:12] ladies that were there. And he was kind
[02:13:13] of
[02:13:13] >> he was kind of like a cult guy. Like he
[02:13:16] was like following him into it,
[02:13:18] >> singing singing stupid songs, but it was
[02:13:21] like very full of himself. It was gross.
[02:13:23] He was gross. And you know, everything
[02:13:26] wound up falling apart for that guy. But
[02:13:27] >> then he ran for Congress. And
[02:13:28] >> yeah, but there's a lot of these people
[02:13:30] that for whatever reason, that's where
[02:13:32] it all boils down to. They want to have
[02:13:34] sex with everybody's wife and they want
[02:13:35] to run and everything and they want, you
[02:13:37] know, run-of-the-mill and have, you
[02:13:39] know, it's very strange. But
[02:13:41] >> that's where the demonic stuff comes in
[02:13:43] with Christians. When you call these
[02:13:44] things down, they
[02:13:46] >> Well, why do you think that that has to
[02:13:47] do with sex cults? Why would the aliens
[02:13:49] have to do with what?
[02:13:50] >> I don't think it's the aliens. I think
[02:13:51] it's um I just think some people are
[02:13:53] abusing the people's they think that
[02:13:58] they're they're using their belief in
[02:13:59] UFOs to draw them in and to some sort of
[02:14:02] thing. And
[02:14:03] >> have you knowledge of this kind of
[02:14:05] stuff?
[02:14:06] >> Yeah.
[02:14:06] >> No, I get all of it. I hear about all of
[02:14:08] it. I
[02:14:08] >> can you name names? Can you talk about
[02:14:10] like
[02:14:10] >> not on the air? Okay.
[02:14:11] >> I don't want to get sued.
[02:14:13] >> Okay. Um, so the underwater bases uh or
[02:14:18] the underwater
[02:14:20] this what an admiral told me. Okay.
[02:14:21] >> So, did he say locations that these
[02:14:24] things are coming from or is there an
[02:14:26] actual physical base that they've
[02:14:28] observed?
[02:14:29] He said that the
[02:14:32] they don't have the capabilities to get
[02:14:34] down that deep actually. Um but they did
[02:14:36] say that that the sightings were
[02:14:39] happening in about in in I think four of
[02:14:42] the five deep water areas around our
[02:14:44] world. And so,
[02:14:46] >> and he didn't have any other, you know,
[02:14:48] and then I was on talking about it and
[02:14:50] somebody said Tim Burchett says that
[02:14:52] they're underwater bases, you know, and
[02:14:54] then um, you know, and they they had uh
[02:14:57] Gates was on the other day and he so he
[02:15:00] was he was briefed. I just told what I
[02:15:02] was briefed on and he was briefed by a
[02:15:04] guy that said it was in in uniform that
[02:15:07] said that they were breeding um they
[02:15:09] were capturing people and breeding them
[02:15:11] with with these aliens. And you know, he
[02:15:14] just talked. So yeah, he was on you can
[02:15:16] pull it up. I mean Matt Gates, he talked
[02:15:19] about it. He didn't say he believed it,
[02:15:21] but you know, we talk about we get
[02:15:22] briefed on. That's what I'm talking
[02:15:24] about. The scop they here's part of the
[02:15:26] problem, too. They bring you information
[02:15:29] and you go forward with this and this
[02:15:30] is, oh, this is the truth. You know,
[02:15:32] these underwater bases, whatever, and
[02:15:34] then they prove it doesn't exist, and
[02:15:36] then they just discredit you and they
[02:15:38] discredit the whole movement. So that's
[02:15:40] why I'm very cautious anytime anybody
[02:15:42] brings me any information or pictures or
[02:15:45] >> testimony or you know third cousins
[02:15:48] recollection.
[02:15:49] >> Yeah, that is the disinformation thing
[02:15:52] is a problem. They'll tell you some
[02:15:53] truth and mix it in with some really
[02:15:55] kooky stuff and then you say the kooky
[02:15:58] stuff along with it and the kooky stuff
[02:15:59] just discredits everything that's true.
[02:16:01] >> Yeah.
[02:16:02] >> Yeah. And Lazar talked about that too.
[02:16:04] He said they would tell people certain
[02:16:07] things that weren't true and they would
[02:16:09] tell different people different things
[02:16:11] that weren't true. So if the story got
[02:16:13] leaked out, they would know who leaked
[02:16:15] it. It was like a hook. So that anchor
[02:16:17] would be like, "Oh, that was Mike. Mike
[02:16:19] told the story." That's when I've uh I
[02:16:22] always warn our other members when we go
[02:16:24] into the skiff and talk about stuff that
[02:16:27] that you know this that's first time
[02:16:29] I've ever heard that one or or that's
[02:16:31] that's sort of what we heard the last
[02:16:33] time [snorts] and then I said everybody
[02:16:35] just be real careful with it because if
[02:16:36] it if it gets out then they'll come
[02:16:39] after you or if it they want it to get
[02:16:42] out so they can discredit you and make
[02:16:44] you look like a fool. So they talk to
[02:16:46] you about deep water areas where
[02:16:48] sightings occur and so it's just a
[02:16:51] presumption that somewhere in that deep
[02:16:53] water they're emanating from that
[02:16:55] they're
[02:16:55] >> well he also he described um
[02:16:58] >> it is Gat Gates claims whistleblower
[02:17:00] told him of alien human hybrid program.
[02:17:03] [laughter]
[02:17:04] [gasps] The alleged program involved
[02:17:06] captured extraterrestrials mating with
[02:17:08] abducted humans from war zones and
[02:17:11] migrant caravans to create hybrids for
[02:17:14] intergalactic communication. He claimed
[02:17:17] the whistleblower identified between six
[02:17:19] and 12 such facilities in the US and
[02:17:22] sought coordinated congressional visits
[02:17:24] to prevent relocation of the activities
[02:17:27] though Gates did not verify any of the
[02:17:29] information. How could you [laughter]
[02:17:32] ver you going to talk to the hybrids?
[02:17:34] Yeah. Also,
[02:17:35] >> I just want to go I just want to go to
[02:17:37] the t-shirt shop.
[02:17:37] >> Yeah, the pastor's thing that I sent
[02:17:39] you, Jamie.
[02:17:40] >> Yeah, that's bonkers. Think about
[02:17:42] >> I don't buy that. I don't
[02:17:44] >> So, this is a guy. It says his name is
[02:17:46] uh Allan Daido.
[02:17:48] >> Yeah.
[02:17:48] >> And uh it's weird. Capital D, lowercase
[02:17:52] I, capital D, lowercase I
[02:17:55] >> did.
[02:17:56] >> Dido.
[02:17:57] Um after sitting in a private meeting
[02:18:00] with pastors and those connected to
[02:18:01] these investigations, the message was
[02:18:03] clear. UFO and UAP disclosure is coming.
[02:18:06] Pastors must prepare their people now.
[02:18:08] Silence is not an option. Well, what
[02:18:10] does that mean? Like what are they
[02:18:12] preparing the people for? Like what why
[02:18:15] would they bring
[02:18:16] >> a group of pastors I've never heard of?
[02:18:18] You know how
[02:18:19] >> I do I think it is. I think if he'd have
[02:18:21] brought anybody in, he brought Franklin
[02:18:23] Graham in.
[02:18:24] >> Is this gentleman a pastor himself?
[02:18:25] Click on his uh
[02:18:26] >> Yeah, he run Well, I mean, he also has a
[02:18:28] show which is uh
[02:18:30] >> Of course he does.
[02:18:31] >> Of course he does. was the
[02:18:33] >> Oh, so his show is about disclosure,
[02:18:35] >> the Revival Nation Church or something.
[02:18:36] No, no, I don't know that. This is just
[02:18:38] what these clips were coming around.
[02:18:39] >> Can you click on his bio, please? Like
[02:18:41] what it clicks what it says. Equipping
[02:18:45] end time believers for the next great
[02:18:47] awakening. Oh boy. [laughter] I also I
[02:18:51] would warn people that think we're in
[02:18:52] the end times. The Bible is pretty clear
[02:18:54] about that. It says that they don't even
[02:18:56] the angels in heaven don't even know
[02:18:58] >> when the end times are,
[02:19:00] >> when the end's coming. So,
[02:19:01] >> yeah. Well, that's I'm always very
[02:19:02] suspicious of people that say the end
[02:19:04] times are coming. I remember when we
[02:19:05] were I was living in LA, there was a a
[02:19:07] billboard. Do you remember those
[02:19:08] billboards, Jamie? Where there was the
[02:19:10] guy was like saying a very specific date
[02:19:12] where the the end was coming. The
[02:19:14] rapture was going to and then it didn't
[02:19:15] happen. He's like, I got some bad
[02:19:17] information. It's coming soon.
[02:19:18] >> Yeah, I did my math wrong. I remember I
[02:19:21] I see those all the time. I just shake
[02:19:22] my head. It ain't happening.
[02:19:25] >> Yeah, that's the guy. May 21st, 2011,
[02:19:28] cry mightily unto God. Judgement day. Oh
[02:19:31] boy. And it's look at look at the gold
[02:19:32] stamp. The Bible guarantees it.
[02:19:35] >> By the way, I read the Bible. I never
[02:19:37] read anything where there's a guarantee
[02:19:38] of this day.
[02:19:40] >> Yeah.
[02:19:40] >> May [snorts] 21st,
[02:19:42] 2011.
[02:19:44] >> Yeah. Um, so when they tell you things,
[02:19:47] is there anything that they tell you
[02:19:48] that you could tell us?
[02:19:51] Like how much of what they told you is
[02:19:53] like completely top secret that you're
[02:19:54] not allowed to say until they disclose
[02:19:55] it?
[02:19:56] >> A lot of it.
[02:19:57] >> A lot of it. Yeah.
[02:19:58] >> Is there anything that really disturbs
[02:19:59] you?
[02:20:01] Yeah, we had one meeting and it got into
[02:20:03] some u stuff that they were talking
[02:20:06] about and the treatment of people and um
[02:20:11] the capabilities and this was
[02:20:13] >> the treatment of people by these
[02:20:15] supposed extraterrest
[02:20:17] but but that were we're were trying to
[02:20:19] come forward with this stuff but also
[02:20:21] yeah they told me some pretty creepy
[02:20:23] stuff. So, I would um again,
[02:20:28] you know, I bring this out and then
[02:20:29] they're busting my ass for it. But the
[02:20:31] >> What do you think is going on? Like, so
[02:20:34] >> I think it's a cover up. I think there's
[02:20:36] something else out there. I do not think
[02:20:38] we're the best that God can do. And I
[02:20:40] really just don't know, Joe. There's so
[02:20:42] many options. It could be. um one of
[02:20:46] these groups that met with me, they they
[02:20:49] described several different um types of
[02:20:53] beings and they go through all of them.
[02:20:54] How you know
[02:20:55] >> how many different types of beings?
[02:20:57] >> I don't know, three, four, five. I don't
[02:20:59] know. I It just changes. I don't I don't
[02:21:01] get caught up in that, you know. And I
[02:21:02] tell our guys, I say, "Look, here's the
[02:21:04] argument. Just say I just want to know
[02:21:08] what we're spending tens of millions of
[02:21:10] dollars on. That's all. I don't care if
[02:21:12] I I don't it's not about little green
[02:21:14] man. It's not about flying saucers. It's
[02:21:16] what are we spending this money on if
[02:21:17] they say they don't exist? That should
[02:21:20] be the answer the question and then and
[02:21:22] the answer will come from that.
[02:21:23] >> Okay. So, if they do exist,
[02:21:27] when you say you think it's a cover up,
[02:21:28] what do you think?
[02:21:29] >> I think I think I think Well, I think
[02:21:31] they really do exist. And I don't think
[02:21:33] that there's such a such a finite group
[02:21:36] of people that actually know it. And um
[02:21:38] and you got a lot of charlatans out
[02:21:40] there that say they know it and they're
[02:21:41] out there, they're selling memberships,
[02:21:43] >> of course,
[02:21:44] >> but um I I think there's there's
[02:21:48] something to it.
[02:21:48] >> I'm always very suspicious of anybody
[02:21:50] who speaks definitively about something
[02:21:52] like that where you can't possibly know
[02:21:54] and then they don't offer up any proof
[02:21:56] of this.
[02:21:56] >> They say, "Well, I've seen the
[02:21:58] pictures." Well, bring me the dad gum
[02:21:59] pictures. Yeah,
[02:22:00] >> but I have seen some pictures and I have
[02:22:02] seen video and I have
[02:22:03] >> What's the most convincing thing that
[02:22:04] you've seen?
[02:22:07] I don't know. Those guys came out the
[02:22:08] house. That was pretty convincing. Yeah,
[02:22:10] that was before the um before the
[02:22:13] hearings that we had.
[02:22:14] >> How clear was the video?
[02:22:17] >> Clear as a screen. I mean, it was pretty
[02:22:20] clear. Um you know, and that was preAI.
[02:22:22] AI was such a new thing. And then it
[02:22:26] [clears throat] fit in with what the tic
[02:22:27] tac videos were. And the um the heat
[02:22:32] signature is what always what I always
[02:22:34] thought was unusual cuz it had to have a
[02:22:36] heat signature but it didn't.
[02:22:38] >> It's a zero point energy whatever that
[02:22:40] is.
[02:22:41] >> Right.
[02:22:41] >> And then
[02:22:43] the just the quantum physics angle of it
[02:22:46] is mindblowing to me.
[02:22:48] >> And you have no knowledge of what's
[02:22:51] supposed to be released because it where
[02:22:53] today's Wednesday.
[02:22:54] >> I'm going to know tomorrow at 3.
[02:22:56] >> Tomorrow at 3 p.m. Is that when the
[02:22:58] world knows? No, I think they're going
[02:22:59] to ask me. Just give me a little bit of
[02:23:01] it. But I got a feeling they're not
[02:23:03] going to tell me much. I got a feeling
[02:23:04] they're not going to tell America much.
[02:23:07] >> When is it supposed to be disclosed?
[02:23:09] This week,
[02:23:10] >> whatever they're going to disclose.
[02:23:12] >> I don't know. I don't know. But if
[02:23:13] they're going to disclose it to us, then
[02:23:15] it'll be out right as soon as they hang
[02:23:17] up the phone with some guys.
[02:23:18] >> Do you feel an obligation if they don't
[02:23:21] release it to try to tell people what
[02:23:22] you know?
[02:23:24] >> I do. I do. I do. I think it's um cuz I
[02:23:28] don't like it if they're lying to us.
[02:23:30] And I I again I don't think Trump knows.
[02:23:35] I mean these people have kept this stuff
[02:23:36] secret. I here's another thing. I was in
[02:23:38] one meeting and a guy said I said what
[02:23:40] about the president on this? And he said
[02:23:42] the president's on a need to know basis.
[02:23:44] Now that's a federal employee saying
[02:23:47] that he or she has
[02:23:52] information that the president is not
[02:23:54] allowed to see. And I I I just was a
[02:23:58] gasp, man. I said, you know, you that's
[02:23:59] the kind of crap you see on some the
[02:24:01] sci-fi network or something. But that
[02:24:04] >> that'd be the title of my book. I mean,
[02:24:06] that that that that ought to tell you
[02:24:07] right there that that this thing is a is
[02:24:09] a cover up. And I don't and I and it's
[02:24:13] kind of like MK Ultra. I don't think
[02:24:15] we're going to get the they're not going
[02:24:17] to tell us everything.
[02:24:19] I really don't. I don't think they're
[02:24:20] going to give us
[02:24:23] half of what we should get.
[02:24:25] >> But you think we're gonna get something?
[02:24:27] >> I think we're gonna get something.
[02:24:28] >> Do you know how put off? Do you know how
[02:24:30] put off?
[02:24:31] >> Do what?
[02:24:31] >> Do you know how put off? You know who he
[02:24:33] is?
[02:24:33] >> I thought you saying I thought you know
[02:24:34] how put off you are right now. I was
[02:24:36] like [laughter] how put off are you?
[02:24:38] >> How put off was in the documentary as
[02:24:39] well. He was in the age of disclosure
[02:24:41] and he was a guest on the podcast and
[02:24:42] one of the things that he told me is
[02:24:44] that during the Bush administration they
[02:24:46] brought in him and a bunch of other
[02:24:48] scientists and thought leaders and what
[02:24:51] was explained to him was that they are
[02:24:54] considering disclosure and that there
[02:24:57] have been visits of these super
[02:25:00] intelligent beings from somewhere else
[02:25:02] that we have retrieved crashed vehicles
[02:25:06] and that we have biological remains.
[02:25:08] That's correct. We are talking about
[02:25:10] disclosing. We would like you to make a
[02:25:14] list of all the ways that it'll
[02:25:16] negatively affect society and all the
[02:25:18] ways that it'll positively affect
[02:25:20] society and attach a numerical value to
[02:25:23] these things. And they all did it. And
[02:25:25] every one of them said the negatives far
[02:25:28] outweigh the positives in terms of the
[02:25:31] impact on government, the impact on the
[02:25:32] economy, religion, all the all these
[02:25:34] different factors and how the how it
[02:25:36] would disrupt society. And in the end,
[02:25:38] they decided not to disclose.
[02:25:40] >> Yeah, I've heard that many times. I I
[02:25:42] just don't buy it.
[02:25:43] >> You don't buy it?
[02:25:44] >> I don't buy it. I mean, I I don't doubt
[02:25:46] what he's saying. I know all those guys
[02:25:48] now that you mentioned I was in movie,
[02:25:49] of course, and I've met them all
[02:25:50] afterwards, but I don't I just don't buy
[02:25:53] that. I think we should know. Let us
[02:25:56] know. Let us decide.
[02:25:57] >> No, I believe that, too. But I I wonder
[02:26:00] what that meeting was like and whether
[02:26:02] or not they were being truthful to these
[02:26:05] people or whether it was a thought
[02:26:07] experiment.
[02:26:07] >> Allegedly, when they told Jimmy Carter,
[02:26:09] he cried.
[02:26:10] >> That's what I heard, too.
[02:26:11] >> I was It was
[02:26:13] >> I won't go into all of it, but I was in
[02:26:15] a meeting.
[02:26:16] >> What would make him cry?
[02:26:17] >> I don't know. I know he's a very
[02:26:19] sensitive guy, but
[02:26:20] >> I understand, but I mean like I cried
[02:26:22] when I saw Old Yeller.
[02:26:23] >> Yeah, I did too. [laughter] Still cry.
[02:26:25] But they um uh he he had seen a UFO, you
[02:26:28] know, he was on a Navy sub, nuclear sub,
[02:26:30] and um I don't know if he saw that when
[02:26:32] he was on the sub or not. I can't
[02:26:34] remember, but you know, here he said,
[02:26:36] "That guy, he's president of the United
[02:26:37] States." And he
[02:26:38] >> they told him something and supposedly
[02:26:40] he cried. And I was in the meeting and I
[02:26:43] uh that was brought up and the guy that
[02:26:45] they were trying to trip up gave the
[02:26:47] date of that meeting and he said you can
[02:26:50] go to the Carter Library and pull up
[02:26:55] that date and you'll know there's one
[02:26:57] person they omitted their name which who
[02:27:01] knows who that was but they list the the
[02:27:03] meeting and where he was when he got
[02:27:04] that that briefing.
[02:27:06] >> Wow.
[02:27:09] So, I don't know. I don't know.
[02:27:11] >> I don't know either.
[02:27:12] >> I don't know if that's true or not. You
[02:27:13] know, they also say Nixon pulled up one
[02:27:17] night to Jackie Gleason's and took
[02:27:18] >> I know that story.
[02:27:19] >> Yeah.
[02:27:20] >> Well, you know, Jackie Gleason built
[02:27:22] that crazy house in upstate New York. Do
[02:27:24] you know about that?
[02:27:25] >> Do not?
[02:27:25] >> Oh, you don't? It was for sale a while
[02:27:27] back. Um Jackie Gleason essentially
[02:27:30] built a UFO house. He built a house that
[02:27:32] looked like a flying saucer. No kidding.
[02:27:34] Yeah. It was for sale fairly recently
[02:27:36] within the last few years. That's the
[02:27:38] house.
[02:27:38] >> Oh crap.
[02:27:39] >> That's a house Jackie Gleason built
[02:27:41] after supposedly Richard Nixon took him.
[02:27:44] So supposedly the story was they were
[02:27:46] golfing, out drinking, and Richard
[02:27:48] Nixon's like, "Hey, you want to see some
[02:27:50] shit?" And then [laughter] he took him
[02:27:52] to see this UFO somewhere on some base.
[02:27:57] You know, the story is very vague. It's
[02:27:59] hard to tell what what actually
[02:28:01] happened, but apparently people that
[02:28:04] knew Jackie Gleason said it profoundly
[02:28:06] affected him. And Jackie Gleason became
[02:28:08] obsessed with UFOs afterwards. And then
[02:28:10] he had this house built
[02:28:12] >> the shape of a UFO, which is I mean, not
[02:28:15] evidence, but weird.
[02:28:17] >> That's very weird.
[02:28:18] >> Weird.
[02:28:18] >> Yeah. And Nixon um Nixon was a very
[02:28:21] serious guy. That would have been a that
[02:28:23] would have been an interesting uh
[02:28:24] >> Yeah. scenario
[02:28:26] >> indeed.
[02:28:27] >> But I
[02:28:29] I just wish they'd
[02:28:31] show us everything.
[02:28:32] >> Yeah, me too. Well, we'll see. We'll see
[02:28:36] what what comes out this week. But, uh,
[02:28:38] thank you very much for being here. I
[02:28:39] really appreciate it. It was great to
[02:28:41] talk to you.
[02:28:41] >> I wish I could get you to move to East
[02:28:43] Tennessee.
[02:28:43] >> Why?
[02:28:44] >> Well, we saved Texas ass, man. You know,
[02:28:46] Davy Crockett. Yeah, Davy Crockett back
[02:28:48] in the day.
[02:28:49] >> Yeah. He said, um, he [snorts] was in
[02:28:50] Congress and got beat. He was a state
[02:28:52] legislator and he got he got beat in the
[02:28:54] Congress. He said, "As for," let's see,
[02:28:57] see, his quote was, "As for me, he says,
[02:28:59] "For you all, you can all go to hell. As
[02:29:00] for me, I'm going to Texas." He got He
[02:29:03] goes to Alamo gets killed. But
[02:29:05] [laughter] he parlayed that into a
[02:29:06] Disney special, so he kind of evened
[02:29:08] out. Yeah.
[02:29:09] >> Sort of.
[02:29:10] >> Sort of.
[02:29:11] >> Sort of. I'm very partial to Texas.
[02:29:12] >> Well, all right. We're low tax state. I
[02:29:14] know. Texas low.
[02:29:15] >> I just love it here. I love a lot of
[02:29:17] things about Tech. I love the people.
[02:29:19] It's a fun place to be.
[02:29:20] >> Yeah. My buddy Chip Roy, he's leaving.
[02:29:23] He's from down here. A bunch of these
[02:29:24] guys in Congress are down here that are
[02:29:27] leaving
[02:29:27] >> and they're going to Tennessee.
[02:29:28] >> No, they're coming down here. He's a
[02:29:32] down here. But no, they're just they're
[02:29:33] all coming home. They're tired of
[02:29:35] Washington.
[02:29:35] >> Yeah.
[02:29:36] >> Well, Latrell told me I said, "Why are
[02:29:37] you leaving Congress, dude?" And he
[02:29:38] says,
[02:29:39] >> "Want to spend time with my family, my
[02:29:40] kids. They're growing up." And I was
[02:29:42] like, "Can't argue with that, brother."
[02:29:44] >> Yeah. And the pressure of Congress, the
[02:29:46] pressure of Washington, DC is just so
[02:29:49] odd. I've only been there a couple
[02:29:50] times, but every time I'm there when I
[02:29:52] leave, I'm like, "Yuck."
[02:29:54] >> It's like when I used to, you know, I
[02:29:56] used to minister [snorts] to a guy in
[02:29:57] prison and when you'd leave Brushy
[02:30:00] Mountain State Prison, you I I called it
[02:30:02] that institutional smell. Whatever they
[02:30:04] used to clean that place, you just smell
[02:30:06] like it for you could smell it in your
[02:30:08] nose for days later. And that's
[02:30:10] Washington DC. It's a It's more of a
[02:30:12] filthy smell.
[02:30:13] >> Yeah, it's a weird place. I guess it's
[02:30:15] necessary supposedly, but it's it's odd
[02:30:18] to visit. But I appreciate people like
[02:30:20] you.
[02:30:21] >> Thank you, brother. I appreciate you.
[02:30:22] And I appreciate you doing the right
[02:30:23] thing, especially for our veterans and
[02:30:25] on disclosure and all the other hot
[02:30:27] button issues.
[02:30:28] >> And you got Hecklefish right there.
[02:30:30] >> I do. Hecklefish.
[02:30:31] >> He said my name on his show one time.
[02:30:33] Yeah, I love that show. He said my name
[02:30:36] one time. He said it wrong, but he's a
[02:30:38] Yankee, so I guess it's okay. It's like
[02:30:40] Bersett or something. I don't know.
[02:30:42] >> Thank you very much. It was awesome. All
[02:30:43] right. [music] Thank you. Bye everybody.
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