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Saurabh Shukla REVEALS King's Cast, Shah Rukh Khan, Salman, Akshay Kumar, Amrish Puri | Podcast
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May 10, 2026
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King is not just me, it is 70% of the industry.
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Every name that is very big is there.
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If you are in this industry then make sure you
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meet Shahrukh one day. What happens is that
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after doing a film like Satya, my own
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expectations
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from people increase. So I should
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get more money. My salary should be higher. They
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say young at heart,
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if you want to see that then look at Anil Kapoor. If I
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see Shahrukh from a distance, I will feel that he is a
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star because 15 people walk with him.
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So when I met Amrish ji for the first time,
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I went to his van to have food.
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So I kept looking at him and said,
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Sir, you are such a big star.
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Where are your rebels? What does rebel people mean
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? What will I do by employing 15 people when one person can do the work
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? Salman is a very reserved
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person, so it is not that I have
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talked much to Salman.
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I have worked with Salman. I
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hope and feel that he
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likes me as an artist. I also
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like a lot of his stuff. This
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ego which exists is the ego of I.
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This is not the artist's ego. If you
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say something about his art, he will never
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say anything.
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Saurabh Sir, first of all hello.
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Hello.
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Sir, tell me one thing. First of all I
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want to know this. Do you
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like hearing praise from your fans or
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after that praise from the President, do you feel that it's enough
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? No. No.
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Appreciation is something that never just happens. Yes. The more it continues, the
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better.
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That's good. It is fun to listen to. So
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Sir, I would like to share a small memory with you
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that when your song Kallu Mama
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comes and I am in school and
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suddenly people start talking in my neighborhood
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that Kallu Mama Kallu Mama, we did
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not know because we did
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not have the freedom to go to the theatre, then after that the
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movie is shown in our neighborhood through VCR
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and as soon as that song plays, there is a lot of
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commotion. Sir, believe me, that
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picture had changed the atmosphere of our entire locality.
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So, there are many fans, Sir, I remember
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such things, the way the
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craze for Kallu Mama suddenly came, I
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remember it, it is not like that, I remember it, is
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n't it, but the thing is that life, the touch
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world is so beautiful that you do not miss it, it is not like
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you miss it, oh friend, that was
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a time, today is a different time,
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so I was happy in that time and I am
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happy even today and pray that I remain happy like this,
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sir, tell me one thing, the way
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I see your journey, the way
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I see your roles, I
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see each one better than the other.
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You get the National Award for Jolly LLB. But believe me
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sir, I feel there are many more
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powerful roles which deserved to be appreciated.
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Sir, it seems that you had some other roles which could have
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received the same respect. You can understand
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that whatever happened with Jolly LLB, the same thing happened.
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So since you said so, I got the respect anyway.
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Haris. Isn't it
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? So it is not that I did
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not get respect. Isn't it? Aa Aa Look,
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National Award is a big thing and I was very
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happy to receive it and I will always cherish it, I will
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cherish that for the rest
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of my life, but the biggest award
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for you is the time when you are working, there is
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no bigger award than that
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when you are doing whatever work you are doing
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and that work immerses you completely in it.
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So that
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is a huge award in itself and then
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I never felt whether I got the
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award or not.
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I never thought about this because I
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always received love from people. I kept getting to know from people whether
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they liked my work or
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liked my films. So that's award itself, right?
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Yes sir, I can understand sir. But there is one thing that
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if an artist gets appreciation in the way it is called an award, then
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when such things happen then
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definitely he gets a boost,
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see, I would like to say one thing here that
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getting an award does not mean much to an artist.
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This is an added thing. There is a happiness. Isn't it
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? A. Art is
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more a need for him than a desire for him. He
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cannot do anything without her. Isn't it? It's it's a
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necessity.
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So you get a chance to do your work
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or to say your point or to
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express your expression.
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This is what you need. No, you don't
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work for awards, no, no, well, let me
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tell you one thing. I I went to
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teach at FTI. I had gone to take a workshop
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and in this way I have taken workshops for actors at two-three places
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and I
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often asked this question. I said people
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asked Sir
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how to become a good actor or how to become an actor?
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So I said brother, I also don't know
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how to become an actor and how to become a good actor?
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But I tell you only one thing
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that
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you should just ask yourself this question that brother,
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why do I want to become an actor? Okay, right
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? Now when you try to find the answer to this question,
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you will actually
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not get the answer. Isn't it? Well, his method
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is simple. Imagine that you are a successful
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actor. Isn't it? Five years from now, you are a
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successful actor. So what do you see
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? So you may feel
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that brother, I must have a lot of money.
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You may see that I have a lot of
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property or you may see that people
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are crazy. If he is a boy, he will appear as if the
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girls are crazy. If there is a girl after him then he
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thinks that all the men are crazy after her.
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Foreign travel is visible. Traveling in first class
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is visible. Isn't it? Do you see all this
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?
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Yes. I think this is what most people would understand.
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Then there is no need to become an actor. There
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is a lot to achieve.
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If this is your dream, if you want to achieve this dream
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, then it is not necessary that you become an actor.
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Acting is also a way.
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But you can be an industrialist. It could be the
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same thing. There may be politicians in it. The
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same thing may be there in that too.
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Do any other work, in any work you will reach a place
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where you will get all these things.
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The day you don't get a reply. You
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and I say, Sir, I don't know what it is.
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And I really don't care whether I get anything or not.
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But this is what I have to do.
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This is my compulsion.
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No that you are an actor.
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There
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you will understand that you are an actor.
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What is the matter, sir.
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Because then you will
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not go here and there. Will not wander. Isn't it
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?
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Absolutely. Then whether we get something, whether we get success or not
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,
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we will. Whether
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someone praises you or not, whether someone praises you or not, it doesn't
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matter. I took up acting. There is a lot.
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I think Sir, you have said a very good thing
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that what we see is that
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boys and girls who come here struggle and get
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troubled in the hustle and bustle of Mumbai.
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We see their long
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depression and hear all these things, if they
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understand these things then it will be better.
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You. Yes.
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I think so.
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Sir, I want to take you back to your journey
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and I want to know
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Sir, how things started with Banded Quits, please
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tell me Sir, during that time you had
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told me many things, when the film Chal was being shot, I
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got some information that at that
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time when Phoolan Devi was in jail, Dolly Aloo
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Walia ji used to go to meet her,
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yes Dolly because she was doing it, she
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was in costume and she is very
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senior to us and she must have gone. Shekhar must have gone.
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Hey, we were just small actors.
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You have suddenly placed me
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on the platform, it is like picking me up from the dust. Yes yes yes.
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And sir, the way the dacoits had come on the set
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and the whole story that you had narrated,
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sir, it was really amazing the way the
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entire cast came out of it, you have got
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one better than the other actors,
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yes yes yes, I would say this for Bandit Queen that
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today you see many people, be it
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me or Manoj, Nirmal is
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no more but Nirmal had also come here, there is
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Aditya Srivastava,
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I am talking about actors, apart from him there are
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many other people. Tighanshu is forgetful. Isn't it
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? There are a lot of people. All of this has
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come thanks to Bandit Queen. We all
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came here together and started together.
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So today you see a lot of famous people.
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We All Came
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to This City
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Because of That Film.
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You are absolutely right sir. Sir, like
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I met Govind Namdev Sir, he was also yours
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and I talked to him, so
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I want to understand his journey, his initial journey, that
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Sir, when an artist comes from Delhi
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and the way he is welcomed in Mumbai, everything, then
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when
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he told that his first film was
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with Subhash Ghai ji, Saudagar, and his entire role gets
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cut and he says a lot, he has
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told everyone, and the way he
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goes into depression, that he even started
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thinking of suicide, thoughts started coming to his mind, so Sir, was it
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really such an environment and did you keep yourself
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strong during that time,
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because if I
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ask from the perspective of Govind Sir, then
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see, I do not know that this happened with Namdev Bhai.
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In fact as a matter of
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fact, when you said this I suddenly realized it.
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I know Namdev Bhai very well.
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Yes,
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he was my senior.
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When I went to work in the Repertory Company, he was a
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big name
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there. This happened
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to him and I do
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n't know at all whether he
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ever went into depression. Isn't it? But that's news for
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me. If you ask me about myself,
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I will say that no brother, I have
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spent very carefree and fun days. A. This has never happened to me.
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And even if it had happened, perhaps
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I was so foolish that I did
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not understand that someone had done something to me.
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Well, yes, so they
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say, there is
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a saying that ignorance
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is bless, yes, ignorance is bless, yes, that
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ignorance is bliss, I
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think I am quite an ignorant person, if
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anything negative is happening then I become
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very ignorant and I do
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not remember it. So let me also tell you one thing about myself
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that
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it has often happened that if
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you ever said something about me,
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whether you said it to my face or behind my back,
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whatever you said, later
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you may remember it and say that Sir, I was
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not talking to you because I had
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said it about you. I don't remember.
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I don't remember me. I forget.
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Sir, an artist is such a person that if he is
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touched even a little bit, he gets hurt very quickly.
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We are
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not such artists. I am telling the truth,
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if someone starts feeling all this, then he is
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not an artist, or the ego that
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I have, this is
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not the ego of an artist, if you say something on his art,
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he will never say anything.
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Sir, you have told two things before to the coming generation who
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want to come in this industry,
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tell me this second thing, Sir
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brother, this is my experience, it is not for everyone, whoever understands it, understand it, whoever does not understand it, may not.
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Yes
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sir, things have become easier now than before. The
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way your era was, the way you
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came into the industry, what understanding do you have of the artists who are coming now,
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sir?
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I have told you two things. Let me
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tell you the third thing.
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Please sir,
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things were never easy.
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Whether it was your ancestors who were primitive humans and
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lived in caves, it was not easy for them
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and it is not easy for those who live in AC houses today. It is
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equally difficult for everyone
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and equally easy for everyone.
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This is how you manage things. We are
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amazing people, friend. Nowadays we
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always keep talking about
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how difficult the coming times are going to be.
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Look Sir, do you think life has become
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so difficult? How did it become difficult?
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Earlier we did not get food. He used to
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roam around with a stick. There was nothing to eat. Used to go out. The
13:16
lion used to attack. You don't have that strength.
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You don't have the strength of an elephant to
13:22
fight. So was that difficult or is this difficult
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? Today you sit in the car and leave.
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Yet you keep saying it. Humans have
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some habits. He keeps making himself special.
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Every human being. Hey,
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by big difficulties I mean my
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ancestors, who fought the most, brother, I think,
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more than our ancestors
13:43
? Who will speak about their problems? Even today, there is
13:46
a fever called injection
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malaria.
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Brother, no matter how many years, 100 years, 150 years it has been since the
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vaccine for malaria was invented.
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Yes, about malaria, no, yes about malaria.
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Before the medicine for malaria was discovered,
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malaria used to kill you, yet today you keep
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saying, oh friend, look, this social
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media has come, life has become so difficult because of it, oh, has it become
14:06
difficult, friend? Well,
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things will keep happening, so those difficulties will keep on coming.
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This sir is like this,
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where does he come from, sir? Is he from a family, is he brought
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up, or is this a struggle, this kind of
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sir, please I would like to know, oh, how do
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I know, where do I come from [laughs],
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my thinking is like this,
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I have been troubled for a long time,
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because what is it,
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Anupam Kher sahab had told me something, it was
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amazing, he told me an anecdote about Bachchan sahab, and
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Kher sahab said that
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in his play too. Actually, Kher sahab was quite new, so when
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he went for shooting, Bachchan sahab was
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sitting, it was very hot outside, very sunny,
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he was sitting in the shade, so these words of Kher sahab were
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uttered, I went and sat next to him.
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Sir, I saw Anupam Kher from NSD,
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yes yes he became silent. He was
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reading something. So Kher Sahab said that I became
15:05
very excited. I said I had to
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talk about something. So
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Kher Saheb said, it is very hot sir.
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So he said yes, it started growing again. He
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said, Sir, don't you feel hot? So
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Bachchan sahab looked at him and said, if I think about it, it seems so. If I don't think then it doesn't happen. It's just
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that, friend.
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Whatever you think, the greatest
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power a human being has is thinking.
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So this is a well-known thing, friend. Is the world
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bad or good? The
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world is the world. I don't know whether it is good
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or bad. Whatever you think will happen.
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Sir, you mentioned social media and the
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way you just said it is what you think it is.
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The way we
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see it today. Even the smallest thing is
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made into such a big issue.
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How much trouble it is, isn't it? There's a bigger problem than our ancestors
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[laughter]. He did
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not have social media. He was very happy. Was
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very happy. Sir, I want to know
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that the kind of roles you have played, the kind
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of characters you have played, if you had
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come in your present form, what would you have done, would you have done them in the same excellent
16:25
manner because from Kallu Mama to
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the way that song is, if
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this is done in today's time then we all will be
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trolled in the same way.
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Look, you have questioned the fact
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that the work you have done has been done.
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What will happen today? I
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speak correctly and simply. So man, I was still working then. I am still
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working today. Even today I like
16:45
my work,
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I have not changed anything in my work. It is
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not like that the day Mark Jockerberg
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created Facebook, I said no, now
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I will change my acting style. This did
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not happen. I am the same man. That's what I'm doing.
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Look friend, what is good is
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good. Isn't it? Think about it, brother,
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things change with the changing times.
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Hey brother, how will Shakespeare survive
17:10
then? Shakespeare is still alive today.
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He wrote it 500 years ago. How
17:16
is he alive till today? Is alive. Because brother, that work was
17:19
good. He relates to people. He will
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always do it. He will continue. Do
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you still read Mahabharata? We still
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read Ramayana, right? What happened? Has social media
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changed Ramayana? Did you change the Mahabharata? It has
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n't changed, right? What can social media do,
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friend? Ok.
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Sir, please
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tell me from the perspective of the director of direction. On the basis of the way the audience has become
17:39
sensitive, I
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want to know that that liberty is no longer there. It seems that
17:45
people are now afraid of showing certain things
17:47
because if a film like PK is
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made today, then the way
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you are talking about it, brother, the
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people who have come to object now,
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yes it is
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correct sir,
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yes they are objecting, brother, if you are
18:05
objecting then I will not ask you, have
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you
18:13
seen Iranian films? There are some
18:17
very beautiful films. There are very
18:20
beautiful films. It is a very romantic
18:24
film. And
18:27
showing romance between man and woman is banned there.
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You have a boy who loves another girl.
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As a man and a woman that is banned.
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But it is not like that, when they were filming in
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old Iran, there was no
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restriction there.
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Ok. Then these bans were imposed. You should watch his films.
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You feel the same love, the same things. Isn't it
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? He changed the way of saying it.
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He said okay. You banned it.
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We will not show this.
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But there is no dearth of love and romance.
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It reflects off of different things.
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You Know. So what I mean to say is that it is okay, something can happen
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at a certain time. Brother, it
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may be that
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someone has a particular society which is like this
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in the whole world, at this time everyone has become a little
19:35
sensitive. The whites have
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moved towards white supremacy. Isn't it
19:42
? Tell them that no sir,
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America is a country
19:50
where everyone has come from outside.
19:53
Everyone is a 200 year old country from outside.
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Everyone has come from outside. They have started
19:59
saying there that
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Red Indians were
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Red Indians before that. Ok. No
20:04
problem. It is like that.
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But a lot of these things are
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politically driven. It happens due to the sentiment of that time.
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It does
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n't matter. You
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can still say what you want to say and it is not necessary that you
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fight for it. Not everything is about boys. Isn't it
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? Even if I'm misunderstanding you.
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Suppose I don't agree with you.
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So this does not mean that I should
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talk to you by abusing you or shouting at you.
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I can also tell you,
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look,
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I think you're wrong. Maybe
20:44
I am wrong. This can also be said.
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Okay sir, tell me one thing,
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I was watching one of your interviews where
20:50
you said that there was a time when I used to do
20:54
films for a day just on people's insistence
20:55
and I was not even getting paid.
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Correct.
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So sir, what was the basis at that time?
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Regarding not getting the money, Sir, how was it really,
21:05
if you please tell me,
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I have already told about it in great detail
21:08
that there was a time when it had become true, so the
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fault in it is not of the industry or of anyone.
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I was also partly at fault in this.
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What happens is that after doing a film like Satya,
21:26
my own expectations
21:29
from people increase. I feel that
21:32
people have liked one of my works,
21:34
so I should get more money.
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My salary should be higher.
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Or I should get a longer length of the role.
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Correct.
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Okay, right? But it is not necessary that the other person
21:45
's perspective is the same. There was
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a time when people used to say that
21:51
brother Saurabh, you are a very good actor but
21:53
roles were not being thought of for me, this happens
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in the life of all actors, it happened
22:00
with me too, at that time I did
22:04
not feel like working, I did not feel like doing those roles
22:07
and it is true
22:09
that brother, for a day's money, for a day's
22:12
role, that is, for a small role, you
22:14
cannot get that much money, so
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your mind was
22:19
not agreeing at all. So I started telling people
22:22
that brother, I am
22:23
not an actor. I don't want to act.
22:26
I am a writer. I have written the truth. So
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I will do the writing. I will not act.
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Just to avoid the fact that I am being forced to play
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this role and people don't think
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that he is a very arrogant man.
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What do you think of yourself? I don't want to do it. I just
22:39
said that. And there is no other reason because during this time
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Sir you worked with many big producers
22:44
but the roles were not that entrepreneurial,
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then after that when the time changed,
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Barfi came and the
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same year in which I did Barfi, I did
22:57
Jolly, the first one, after that my life completely
23:00
changed, after that Raid came, then Jolly PK
23:04
came, then Jolly 2 came, then Jolly, then it
23:09
became a forest, that would have happened, yes yes Sir,
23:12
you praised Ranbir Kapoor a lot.
23:14
What was that conversation like, if you could tell me what was that
23:19
conversation like that which boosted your motivation, if it was
23:21
on a personal level that you develop a
23:23
connection with someone. Isn't it? He is
23:26
much younger than me. Isn't it?
23:29
But the thing is that
23:33
we both are of the same age in heart and mind. Isn't it
23:36
? That's the dizziness. So it's very fun. It is
23:41
not that I meet him every day
23:44
or we keep meeting all the time.
23:46
He lives in his own world.
23:47
I live in my own world. But
23:49
whenever we meet, we have a lot of fun. I
23:52
met him during Barfi
23:55
and I really enjoyed talking to him and
24:01
seeing his craft. He is a very good actor. I
24:03
think very well. So
24:08
I enjoyed that a lot. As a matter of fact,
24:10
I have also recently done an
24:13
ad film with him.
24:15
Yes. So we were together for two days.
24:18
We talked a lot.
24:20
Sir, the hospitality of the Kapoor family is of a different
24:23
level because I was
24:25
talking to Manoj Paav Sir.
24:26
So that same story that you made, the
24:28
whiskey one, you guys went to Old Run. Same thing happened
24:31
with him too, he told
24:34
that we were sitting with Ranveer. Okay okay,
24:38
yes, it is
24:42
not that I know everyone in the Kapoor family.
24:45
Yes, now I am talking about Ranbir only.
24:47
Yes, I have met Chintu ji. He was also a
24:50
very funny man. Of course he was much
24:53
senior to me and ah
24:57
but
24:59
I always had a great relationship with Chintu ji, I mean he was a very very
25:02
handsome man, but
25:07
with Ranveer I met him completely independently, not like
25:09
Rishi Kapoor son you know it was not like that ah
25:12
and there was a
25:18
very friendly atmosphere
25:22
with Ranbir, so it is like that, so
25:25
their hospitality is famous,
25:28
they are
25:31
very fond of food and drinks, everyone knows this, right,
25:36
but I am not that close to the family, right, yes, I have met
25:42
Ranbir as much as I have,
25:45
right sir, I want to know that
25:48
like I am talking about Kick, if I talk about Salman Khan ji's
25:53
hobby and you too, a six year old
25:55
child, had a hobby of painting, we see you too were fond of painting, so has there ever been any mention
26:02
of painting
26:05
between you two,
26:07
ah no, ah I have worked with Salman, ah I
26:12
hope so and this is my feeling
26:16
that he likes me as an artist. Isn't it
26:20
? I also like a lot of his stuff.
26:24
I know he paints
26:27
and does it with passion. I used to
26:30
paint in my childhood. Yes.
26:32
That's why I want to know sir.
26:33
Yes.
26:34
But
26:36
Salman comes reserved.
26:37
Good.
26:38
So it is not that I have
26:40
talked much to Salman.
26:42
A: There is no such conversation. But we
26:46
talked only as much as we met. I never
26:48
spoke to him and
26:52
Salman still practices that art.
26:54
I left it, so
26:56
after that I never did
26:58
painting, I do it whenever I feel like it.
27:01
But now I don't get those images
27:03
which come to a painter's mind because
27:07
when you keep practicing an art,
27:09
your mind starts working that way.
27:12
You know it starts thinking that way. Isn't it
27:14
? So I never did that art.
27:17
Ah but yes ah he is very passionate ah about
27:20
his art. They even have art galleries
27:23
etc. I know this much.
27:26
No, I just wanted to understand that I have never
27:32
met him so many times that we ever
27:34
spoke.
27:35
Yes yes sir, as our conversation went on, the word
27:38
King came up.
27:39
Yes King
27:40
ji, you are Shahrukh Khan in that too. Yes yes, what
27:42
if I could just tell the fans
27:45
as much as I allow you, if I could tell them something about
27:48
what kind of expectations the fans should have
27:50
because Suhana is also coming, it is a
27:53
very important film for Shahrukh, so what would I say,
27:55
if I could give a little hint because only this
27:58
one reel will be cut, yes yes
28:00
you understood, that is why I said it openly
28:02
[laughs]
28:05
look friend,
28:09
in King it is not only me but
28:11
70% of the industry.
28:13
Or
28:14
is it? Every name that is very big is there.
28:23
Shahrukh,
28:24
I will say one thing to everyone. However, it will be
28:27
difficult for Shahrukh.
28:30
If you are in this industry then make sure you
28:32
meet Shahrukh one day. It's
28:35
a very fun moment when
28:38
you talk to them. He is a
28:41
very amazing man. He is a very charismatic
28:44
man. Isn't it? So I would say
28:48
that
28:52
whatever work I did in King, whenever I did it, it was a
28:57
very beautiful memorable moment
29:02
for me. I can
29:04
understand sir. Sir, please explain one thing to me, do
29:08
Anil Kapoor sir and you
29:12
both share some diet among yourselves
29:14
?
29:16
You are asking because his and my
29:18
body are similar.
29:19
No, both of you are reverse aging,
29:22
sir. Why do you mean sir, it's
29:24
not this one, it's that one, he is very fit. What are you
29:27
talking about my reverse aging brother? That is Anil Sir.
29:31
He has discipline and not
29:35
just discipline, they
29:39
say he is young at heart, if you want to
29:42
see that then look at Anil Kapoor.
29:48
How long has Anil Kapoor been a star? As soon as you
29:51
go closer and talk to them, you will understand immediately.
29:53
He doesn't treat himself like a star.
29:56
He treats himself so normally. It seems like it's
30:02
a new comer who has just started. He
30:05
treats himself like that. And that's why he stays young.
30:10
Oh,
30:10
even today that hunger is there in him.
30:12
We looked amazing in Subedar.
30:14
Very good.
30:15
Very good. Yes
30:16
sir, his special fans can expect something from
30:18
him too. One
30:20
can expect a lot, sir. One
30:21
can expect a lot. You have seen the trailer. It's
30:23
very good.
30:27
Suresh Triveni is a wonderful director. Isn't it? The film has been
30:30
shot very well. I also did the right thing.
30:32
He did not do anything bad inside. So
30:34
you can expect a lot. Yes yes yes
30:36
sir. Sir, I would like to talk about the hero
30:39
because in it Amrish Puri Sahab ji, I
30:41
mean I did not have the good fortune of
30:44
meeting him. Sir, if you can explain to today's generation
30:47
because we hear many stories about him, if you can
30:51
tell about him as an artist
30:53
because whatever kind of character he wants, I am
30:55
not talking only about the villain. The kind of
30:57
characters he used to play. Sir, if you could tell me about the kind of impression he
30:59
left, then
31:02
I met Amrish Puri sahab only
31:06
in one or two films. Isn't it? He was a very
31:10
big star at that time and
31:18
he remained a big star as long as he lived.
31:23
What you hear about him is that brother, it is
31:26
not like that he
31:29
started his career at a very old age
31:32
and reached that level of success.
31:34
If you look at his work, he was
31:37
dominant in commercial films. But
31:39
you see him in Govindlani's films.
31:41
You see him in Shyam Benigal's films. The
31:43
range of that man was
31:46
amazing. He was a very simple man. Isn't it
31:50
? He was a big star but a very
31:53
simple man. I don't
32:02
mean much to him, I didn't meet him enough to
32:04
know anything about his craft.
32:07
But as a human being, whatever I got to know in one or two
32:12
films, I understood a lot of it.
32:15
Many things became clear. Do
32:23
you want me to say something about this?
32:25
No no sir, I just wanted to know
32:26
that if you tell me something related to the hero
32:28
then just
32:31
look at that, I will tell you in a very simple way.
32:33
And it's not a comment on anything. A
32:37
but as a young actor when you start a new job.
32:42
Of course you want to be
32:44
successful. You want to be a star.
32:46
Everybody Wants to Be a Star. Okay, right?
32:50
But you don't understand
32:52
how one becomes a star. Isn't it? You see the star from a distance. Let
32:56
me just watch from a distance. If I
32:59
see Shahrukh from a distance, I will feel that he is a star
33:03
because 15 people walk with him.
33:08
Two trains run. Three vehicles travel
33:10
with them. Isn't it? A bus runs. So
33:14
you think this is what a star is. If you
33:16
talk to a star, he is not the same person. Isn't it
33:18
? He is a very intelligent person.
33:22
Correct.
33:29
So those were all confusions. So when I
33:34
met Amrish ji for the first time,
33:39
I went to his van to have food.
33:42
Call me and sit.
33:45
Yes, I saw that there was a man with him.
33:50
OK was
33:51
his makeup man. We used to
33:53
make the same for them.
33:55
He also helped him in serving tea and coffee.
33:58
We
33:59
probably did the driving too. Oh, so
34:03
I kept looking at it like that. I said sir, you are
34:05
such a big star.
34:10
Where are your rebels? What does 'kah rebel log' mean
34:12
?
34:15
What will I do by employing 15 people when one person can do the work?
34:20
I said this is also correct sir. So
34:25
think from the point of view of each young actor who is
34:28
building his image that no, no, the
34:30
day I will take 15 people with me, that day I will be a
34:32
star. Does he really understand that there is a
34:34
star standing in front of you, friend?
34:38
You can take one or 15.
34:40
It doesn't matter. That is at your
34:42
convenience. What do you want to do?
34:45
But that is not the mark of a star. The star
34:48
is you.
34:51
This is like I tell you about Hollywood.
34:54
Reeves is there, yes, yes,
34:56
everyone,
34:57
Reeves is such a big star.
34:58
Yes, everything goes on as
34:59
normal.
35:01
Came to India by the way.
35:03
Ok.
35:03
Came to India. He is fond of playing guitar. The
35:07
program was going on. The main singer was someone else.
35:09
Standing back, he slowly
35:11
played the guitar. He plays the bass guitar. Played the bass guitar
35:14
and left. Keiano Reeves There
35:18
was no publicity Keiano Reeves is coming to
35:21
India. No it was the singer he was in the
35:24
band. He played it back and left. It is his hobby. But
35:30
I want to talk about this open book.
35:33
What are you bringing for the audience this time sir
35:36
? There is something special because we have been
35:38
watching you as an actor. I
35:40
know you very well as a writer too.
35:42
What is it like with Saurabh Sir this time in direction? So if I were to
35:44
define the film Jab Khuli Kitaab for you,
35:47
it is a family film and a
35:52
film on the beauty of relationships.
35:56
But it's not just a
36:00
hunky dory or a rosy
36:03
picture. This is a very real picture.
36:08
The absurdity of life is also present in it. Isn't it
36:11
? There are a
36:13
lot of smiles. There are a lot of
36:17
tears too. It makes me
36:20
laugh and it also makes me sad. Isn't it?
36:24
So, a very heart-warming
36:27
film, which I
36:31
must say is very soft, very
36:34
fragile, this is a film about emotions.
36:39
A:
36:40
I have written and produced the film, so
36:43
obviously I like it very much.
36:45
But my good luck is that all the people who are
36:47
doing interviews right now have
36:49
seen the film. And people have really, really said very
36:53
beautiful things about it. It has
36:55
great performances by Pankaj Kapoor, Dimple
36:58
Kapadia, Apaar Shakti, Sameer
37:01
Soni, Nauheed Hai Na Mansi, Sunil
37:07
Palwal and many more many more. So Everybody
37:11
Is Beautiful. It's a It's a It's a
37:14
beautifully short film. It's shot in
37:17
Ranikhet, right?
37:20
This film is set in the lap of the Himalayas. Visually
37:23
very beautiful film. Very beautiful
37:26
music composed by Rita Jaya and
37:30
produced by Music Production,
37:32
its entire arrangement and everything has been done. The
37:35
original score is done by
37:39
Prati Jyoti Ghosh. A so everything is going for.
37:43
Sir, please tell me, given the current
37:46
times, as a writer, how did you
37:48
feel that an open book will be able to reach the
37:51
hearts of the audience through a message
37:54
? One, if we talk about its presentation,
37:56
I think we are talking about the end results,
37:59
how will it reach the hearts of the audience
38:02
or what is the current era like? I think at
38:04
least I don't do such things.
38:06
I don't carry the end result. You do
38:10
n't make a film to give any message.
38:14
Or
38:18
you don't worry about how to reach the hearts of the audience. You are
38:22
compelled by an idea. It keeps coming to your mind again and again
38:24
that this is good and that keeps
38:26
growing on its own.
38:28
Where did this seed come from? Sir, please
38:30
tell me this again. This in between means that is the story you keep searching for.
38:33
Thousands of stories and
38:36
ideas keep coming to you every day. 50
38:39
Ideas keep happening here and there, sometimes in real life, sometimes
38:42
on paper, sometimes somewhere else. So, just like that,
38:47
one idea gets stuck. It
38:52
then starts developing on its own. Then
38:54
gradually you start feeling that no
38:57
friend, this is good and dramatic. Well, there
39:00
are a lot of possibilities in this. You start
39:02
feeling like this and then it comes back
39:05
and then you start feeling that no friend, I should
39:06
write something on this. Isn't it? That idea
39:09
itself forces you to do it. So
39:12
this is the basic process and when you
39:15
start writing it, then you
39:19
actually do not know what you want to say.
39:23
You liked an idea.
39:24
You started.
39:25
You started. Yes.
39:26
And then while saying this to you, suddenly you understand
39:30
that okay friend, I can
39:32
say something on this also. I can say something on this matter also. While
39:34
saying this, slowly its soul
39:37
comes into your hands.
39:39
And then in totality by the time you finish the
39:42
film you approximately know what you are
39:45
trying to say.
39:46
And then the audience receives it. And
39:49
perspective also comes from them.
39:51
How did he feel?
39:53
Not only did you like or dislike it, but what did you feel about
39:56
what you wanted to say and
39:58
how people received it,
40:00
this is a complete process.
40:02
Yes Sir, tell me, when
40:04
you were at the writing stage, was the casting coming to your mind at that time
40:06
or did it come to
40:08
your mind after the completion of writing, whether intentionally or unintentionally. Isn't it
40:12
? Which
40:16
also becomes your wish list. It rarely happens
40:20
that you get what is on your wish list
40:25
because it is not necessary that the person who has come to your mind will
40:31
like this story. This is not necessary. Isn't it? But I will say that
40:34
it was a beautiful coincidence
40:38
in this film that
40:42
all the people I thought about are
40:45
in the film today.
40:47
Oh Sir, when you left, I would like to talk about Pankaj Sir, he is
40:50
very selective. I mean,
40:52
tell me with them, when
40:55
you told them the story, what about them, if the
40:57
audience would definitely like to know what kind of
40:59
choice of roles they have. What kind of
41:02
things live there. So as a director, when you
41:03
went to him with your story, then actually only
41:05
Pankaj ji can answer this question
41:07
best. But I can tell you
41:10
that Pankaj ji or any other actor at least I can say that this
41:15
much actors have
41:18
only one choice. This is
41:21
a script through which they can identify
41:24
whatever they want to do and whatever they like very much.
41:28
Ok? Let me tell you about Pankaj ji.
41:31
I did not have to tell the story to Pankaj ji.
41:33
I went to meet him and
41:37
met him for the first time in my life. Although I
41:39
knew him long ago. Meaning, I
41:42
knew about him but we basically never met.
41:44
As a matter of fact,
41:47
I had never met Dimple Ma'am either.
41:49
A I went to meet
41:52
Pankaj ji at his place. Pankaj ji
41:54
said that brother, I like to study. Do
41:57
n't tell me a story. I will read it and then
41:59
tell you. Okay,
42:00
and
42:02
you left the fourth day script?
42:04
I had left the script of course. So on the
42:07
fourth day he called and he said I am doing the picture.
42:11
Ok. If this is all that happens then it means I will
42:15
not be able to tell you anything. What did they
42:16
read, what did they feel? Isn't it
42:18
? That and the other thing about Dimple Ma'am was that
42:22
she was definitely on my mind. But I was
42:25
keeping that idea away. Because
42:27
Dimple ma'am is such a big
42:30
actress, such a big star.
42:33
He did so much work in commercial films
42:35
and not only in commercial films
42:36
but he also did
42:39
very good work in parallel cinema. Rudaali was one of his
42:41
films which became very famous at one time.
42:44
When this discussion was going on, one of Nolan's
42:48
films, Christopher Nolan, had done
42:52
this. So I thought that it is fine, it is
42:55
in my mind, so what,
42:57
but why should I dream of something that will never be
43:01
fulfilled and this was my mistake, this was
43:03
my own inhibition, so Sameer Nair
43:07
and my partner Narendra
43:11
told me that no, I must send the script, so I
43:15
sent the script and after
43:19
sending the script, I sent it today, yesterday
43:21
and the day before yesterday, that is, after three days I got a call.
43:25
I did not have Dimple ji's number. When I
43:28
picked up the phone, I heard her beautiful, powerful voice.
43:31
She said, Saurabh ji, I am Dimple
43:35
Kabadiya speaking. I
43:36
read your script. I am doing this film
43:39
and no one else will do this role except me.
43:42
Oh,
43:43
I mean
43:45
we
43:46
mean you, what more can a human being ask for.
43:50
Same thing happened with Apaar also. Apaar was also
43:54
in my mind. I used to think that
43:57
if the character of Negi is an
43:59
actor like Apaar, then I did not think of Apaar
44:02
because of this, I thought of it
44:04
because Apaar had started doing well. He was getting
44:06
roles for them. Whatever it may be,
44:09
Apaar's role is very important.
44:11
Negi has a very good role in this.
44:13
But the
44:15
story is about these two characters.
44:19
Pankaj ji and Dimple. So I thought
44:21
that when I tell this to Apaar, he might
44:23
say that Saurabh ji, please
44:27
give me a script in which the story is about me. That's what
44:31
I thought. But I
44:34
only told Apar the idea and his character
44:36
and he stood up, shook hands
44:37
and said sorry sir, I am in.
44:40
So it was really a wonderful time and
44:43
although I don't believe much in luck
44:46
and stars etc.
44:48
But I think my stars were
44:50
aligned and I was lucky that everything happened the way it did.
44:52
Right from applause, who
44:57
believed in this film so much,
45:02
my partner Narendra and Mahesh, everyone worked shoulder to shoulder
45:07
and they believed in the
45:09
story and
45:13
keeping the story as the main thing, everyone moved on.
45:17
And it is really a beautiful experience
45:19
Sir, I have also seen the film and the way
45:23
you have woven the fabric of relationships
45:25
from the beginning till the end, the way the
45:28
complex things are
45:30
seen and the emotions that are expressed in it,
45:32
believe me Sir, it is amazing. Sir, please
45:35
tell me one thing, I am completely surprised by you now.
45:37
You have been
45:39
interviewing me for so long. At least this much
45:40
praise should be given in the beginning so that
45:43
I too get some courage.
45:44
[Laughter]
45:45
No sir, it's really amazing. Sir,
45:48
tell me one thing, was there a
45:51
plan to release it in theatres for theatrical or were
45:53
you planning for OTT from the beginning, as a
45:55
filmmaker, if you ask about
45:58
any film, there is
46:00
always a little attraction of a big screen.
46:02
Every filmmaker wants his film to
46:04
go to theatres. But understand one thing,
46:08
going to the theatre is not the ultimate goal of
46:14
the filmmaker. The
46:16
goal of the filmmaker is to
46:19
reach an audience that can relish it.
46:22
Ok? The times we are
46:27
going through are very good times. Isn't it? A.
46:32
Look, theatre in itself has
46:36
always been
46:38
a tough business.
46:41
Yes, it
46:42
is absolutely true, it requires a lot of money. A
46:48
lot of planning is required.
46:51
Yes,
46:51
and there is no guarantee whether people will
46:54
come to the theatre to watch your film or not. He
46:56
may even come. It is possible that he may not
46:58
even come.
46:59
Yes, right
46:59
? So when all these things happen then a little bit of
47:02
that remains, so it is a struggle
47:06
which is absolutely correct, it has always been there
47:09
and the films have also been successful, yes, it is a
47:13
very good time when another
47:19
format has come to us which is OTT,
47:22
OTT is amazing that what
47:29
should be said in it that the
47:33
ethics of the film are intact.
47:37
Cinematic language is used. It's not
47:40
like television. Television has
47:43
created its own unique format.
47:44
That is completely different. Isn't it
47:44
? That is completely different. So whatever cinema
47:48
desires, it fulfils all those things.
47:51
And it is a lot it takes your work to
47:56
a much wider audience. So, like
47:58
this film is releasing on Zee5, Zee5 has a
48:01
huge audience base in Hindi and that
48:06
audience is a home grown audience, so that is a
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lot of people to whom you
48:12
want to reach. Look, you should understand that
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it is easy that the film was
48:18
released in Mumbai and Delhi. But it is not necessary
48:23
that it will happen in Jabalpur or not. Isn't it
48:27
?
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Correct.
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Or will it happen in Tughlakabad or not?
48:31
Even if it happens, I don't know if it will be shown in some
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other small town, a very small town where there are two
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theatres, so I don't know whether it will be shown there or
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not. But the base of OTT is such that
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it reaches everywhere. So, you get to
48:48
reach a bigger audience and which is I think what
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every filmmaker wants at the
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end of it.
48:54
Right, right. Definitely, sir. I just
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want to understand that the way money is spent
48:58
and the way the entire source of income is
49:01
in the industry, on that basis OTT has become so
49:04
strong that if a maker
49:06
makes films of his choice and
49:09
earns a decent amount from it, if you can tell.
49:11
Look, I am telling you about this, I am the wrong person because I do
49:19
not understand the business of theatre,
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how does theatrical business happen? Is there a ratio of
49:25
100 crores, 200 crores in that, no no,
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that happens, of course, it happens only when the money
49:29
comes, but what is its
49:31
distribution, how do you
49:32
expect it, how do you generate that, I am
49:35
not a business person, I am a film business person, I am
49:40
on the creative side and I can
49:42
tell only what I know. Similarly, how does
49:45
OTT work? I don't know but I know that they have been
49:49
creating original work, when you say so,
49:53
what happens is that
49:55
brother, you make a film, release it in theatres
49:57
and it is later shown on OTT,
49:59
but at the same time, in every OTT, you will
50:02
see that there is a direct to OTT which is called
50:03
the original OTT original, so of
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course they must have some business model
50:11
which is very successful, only then they give so much money
50:14
and not to one but to many people, they
50:16
make big films. Those people make all kinds of films. So I
50:18
really don't know how it
50:23
works. That for that I am sure that
50:25
you should interview some OTT officials. Right right.
50:29
Sir I just wanted to understand
50:31
because one the way you are coming up with stories
50:34
, the way you are doing things.
50:36
So everyone has the same desire to go to the theatre.
50:38
You explained very well what mathematics is
50:41
and how things work. It was on that basis that
50:43
I asked you the question. Hum
50:45
a Sir Anything Else Sir
50:48
if you want to say something about this film because then I would like to
50:50
move forward with you Sir
50:52
yes, I mean I would like to say this about this film
50:54
that it is a very beautiful film,
50:58
yes only if
51:00
you watch the trailer you will understand
51:03
how beautiful this world is. It has been
51:05
shot at a very beautiful place. The songs are
51:07
very good. You will listen to him. As per
51:10
your request, I am telling this to the audience
51:13
that they have said, suppose
51:16
complex cities and the world
51:20
which is the entire fabric of this film is
51:22
beautiful, we enjoyed it a lot, we had a
51:25
great joy making this film and I want to
51:27
share that joy
51:30
with the audience
51:30
and believe me, you must not have seen such a web of relationships and the
51:33
kind of emotions before,
51:36
what a thing
51:37
sir, some rapid fire and a few, let's do it
51:39
quickly sir, a Jolly LLB, Akshay
51:42
Kumar or Arshad Warsi, who is Lata,
51:45
okay brother listen, I will give you the truth,
51:49
absolutely sir, give it to me immediately, this
51:51
war that you people are creating, I am
51:55
not the only one responsible,
51:56
yes no, in this war that you people are creating, you
51:59
ask who is Arshad Warsi or
52:03
Akshay Kumar, both are artists in art,
52:07
friend, know one thing, and I have also
52:11
heard someone saying this, then my belief has become
52:14
completely firm in this thing, in art there
52:17
is no better, best
52:20
and worse, everybody
52:22
is different,
52:25
if you understand this, then what you say is
52:28
yours Who is the best actor in Nazar?
52:31
Hey, what does best actor mean, friend? An
52:34
actor is an actor. One actor is different
52:37
from the other actor.
52:39
This or this? Hey brother, why are you putting a noose around my neck
52:42
?
52:43
Ok sir let's move ahead. Theatre or movie. I have only
52:47
one life, my friend.
52:48
Yes. Embrace whatever you find. Do
52:50
n't grab whatever you find. I will do whatever I want. If
52:55
you want to embrace, then embrace. [laughs]
52:58
Which artist did you see being the most prepared on set
53:00
? If I have to name one,
53:02
you might have noticed that he used to
53:04
come most prepared.
53:07
Brother, if I had been watching all this then
53:10
how would I have acted or done art myself
53:12
because then I would have kept paying attention to these things
53:14
that who has
53:16
come prepared? Who didn't come prepared? Then
53:18
I will do those things, right? Then I will not do any work.
53:21
OK sir. Mumbai vs Delhi food. Where
53:24
?
53:24
Mumbai vs Delhi food.
53:25
Yes, your favorite.
53:27
My favorite. We are from
53:29
Mumbai for Vada Pav, Delhi for Chole Bhature.
53:32
OK sir. Beer or whiskey?
53:35
Beer or whiskey?
53:36
Yes. Nothing.
53:39
The saint is a man. Since
53:41
when have you adopted this practice of Sir Sadhat?
53:44
Always the old monk.
53:47
OK sir. Thank you so much sir.
53:49
Look at the picture again.
53:51
Sure.
53:52
Watch with the whole family.
53:54
Show it to the producer also.
53:55
Thank you so much.
53:56
Ok.
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