King is not just me, it is 70% of the industry.
Every name that is very big is there.
If you are in this industry then make sure you
meet Shahrukh one day. What happens is that
after doing a film like Satya, my own
expectations
from people increase. So I should
get more money. My salary should be higher. They
say young at heart,
if you want to see that then look at Anil Kapoor. If I
see Shahrukh from a distance, I will feel that he is a
star because 15 people walk with him.
So when I met Amrish ji for the first time,
I went to his van to have food.
So I kept looking at him and said,
Sir, you are such a big star.
Where are your rebels? What does rebel people mean
? What will I do by employing 15 people when one person can do the work
? Salman is a very reserved
person, so it is not that I have
talked much to Salman.
I have worked with Salman. I
hope and feel that he
likes me as an artist. I also
like a lot of his stuff. This
ego which exists is the ego of I.
This is not the artist's ego. If you
say something about his art, he will never
say anything.
Saurabh Sir, first of all hello.
Hello.
Sir, tell me one thing. First of all I
want to know this. Do you
like hearing praise from your fans or
after that praise from the President, do you feel that it's enough
? No. No.
Appreciation is something that never just happens. Yes. The more it continues, the
better.
That's good. It is fun to listen to. So
Sir, I would like to share a small memory with you
that when your song Kallu Mama
comes and I am in school and
suddenly people start talking in my neighborhood
that Kallu Mama Kallu Mama, we did
not know because we did
not have the freedom to go to the theatre, then after that the
movie is shown in our neighborhood through VCR
and as soon as that song plays, there is a lot of
commotion. Sir, believe me, that
picture had changed the atmosphere of our entire locality.
So, there are many fans, Sir, I remember
such things, the way the
craze for Kallu Mama suddenly came, I
remember it, it is not like that, I remember it, is
n't it, but the thing is that life, the touch
world is so beautiful that you do not miss it, it is not like
you miss it, oh friend, that was
a time, today is a different time,
so I was happy in that time and I am
happy even today and pray that I remain happy like this,
sir, tell me one thing, the way
I see your journey, the way
I see your roles, I
see each one better than the other.
You get the National Award for Jolly LLB. But believe me
sir, I feel there are many more
powerful roles which deserved to be appreciated.
Sir, it seems that you had some other roles which could have
received the same respect. You can understand
that whatever happened with Jolly LLB, the same thing happened.
So since you said so, I got the respect anyway.
Haris. Isn't it
? So it is not that I did
not get respect. Isn't it? Aa Aa Look,
National Award is a big thing and I was very
happy to receive it and I will always cherish it, I will
cherish that for the rest
of my life, but the biggest award
for you is the time when you are working, there is
no bigger award than that
when you are doing whatever work you are doing
and that work immerses you completely in it.
So that
is a huge award in itself and then
I never felt whether I got the
award or not.
I never thought about this because I
always received love from people. I kept getting to know from people whether
they liked my work or
liked my films. So that's award itself, right?
Yes sir, I can understand sir. But there is one thing that
if an artist gets appreciation in the way it is called an award, then
when such things happen then
definitely he gets a boost,
see, I would like to say one thing here that
getting an award does not mean much to an artist.
This is an added thing. There is a happiness. Isn't it
? A. Art is
more a need for him than a desire for him. He
cannot do anything without her. Isn't it? It's it's a
necessity.
So you get a chance to do your work
or to say your point or to
express your expression.
This is what you need. No, you don't
work for awards, no, no, well, let me
tell you one thing. I I went to
teach at FTI. I had gone to take a workshop
and in this way I have taken workshops for actors at two-three places
and I
often asked this question. I said people
asked Sir
how to become a good actor or how to become an actor?
So I said brother, I also don't know
how to become an actor and how to become a good actor?
But I tell you only one thing
that
you should just ask yourself this question that brother,
why do I want to become an actor? Okay, right
? Now when you try to find the answer to this question,
you will actually
not get the answer. Isn't it? Well, his method
is simple. Imagine that you are a successful
actor. Isn't it? Five years from now, you are a
successful actor. So what do you see
? So you may feel
that brother, I must have a lot of money.
You may see that I have a lot of
property or you may see that people
are crazy. If he is a boy, he will appear as if the
girls are crazy. If there is a girl after him then he
thinks that all the men are crazy after her.
Foreign travel is visible. Traveling in first class
is visible. Isn't it? Do you see all this
?
Yes. I think this is what most people would understand.
Then there is no need to become an actor. There
is a lot to achieve.
If this is your dream, if you want to achieve this dream
, then it is not necessary that you become an actor.
Acting is also a way.
But you can be an industrialist. It could be the
same thing. There may be politicians in it. The
same thing may be there in that too.
Do any other work, in any work you will reach a place
where you will get all these things.
The day you don't get a reply. You
and I say, Sir, I don't know what it is.
And I really don't care whether I get anything or not.
But this is what I have to do.
This is my compulsion.
No that you are an actor.
There
you will understand that you are an actor.
What is the matter, sir.
Because then you will
not go here and there. Will not wander. Isn't it
?
Absolutely. Then whether we get something, whether we get success or not
,
we will. Whether
someone praises you or not, whether someone praises you or not, it doesn't
matter. I took up acting. There is a lot.
I think Sir, you have said a very good thing
that what we see is that
boys and girls who come here struggle and get
troubled in the hustle and bustle of Mumbai.
We see their long
depression and hear all these things, if they
understand these things then it will be better.
You. Yes.
I think so.
Sir, I want to take you back to your journey
and I want to know
Sir, how things started with Banded Quits, please
tell me Sir, during that time you had
told me many things, when the film Chal was being shot, I
got some information that at that
time when Phoolan Devi was in jail, Dolly Aloo
Walia ji used to go to meet her,
yes Dolly because she was doing it, she
was in costume and she is very
senior to us and she must have gone. Shekhar must have gone.
Hey, we were just small actors.
You have suddenly placed me
on the platform, it is like picking me up from the dust. Yes yes yes.
And sir, the way the dacoits had come on the set
and the whole story that you had narrated,
sir, it was really amazing the way the
entire cast came out of it, you have got
one better than the other actors,
yes yes yes, I would say this for Bandit Queen that
today you see many people, be it
me or Manoj, Nirmal is
no more but Nirmal had also come here, there is
Aditya Srivastava,
I am talking about actors, apart from him there are
many other people. Tighanshu is forgetful. Isn't it
? There are a lot of people. All of this has
come thanks to Bandit Queen. We all
came here together and started together.
So today you see a lot of famous people.
We All Came
to This City
Because of That Film.
You are absolutely right sir. Sir, like
I met Govind Namdev Sir, he was also yours
and I talked to him, so
I want to understand his journey, his initial journey, that
Sir, when an artist comes from Delhi
and the way he is welcomed in Mumbai, everything, then
when
he told that his first film was
with Subhash Ghai ji, Saudagar, and his entire role gets
cut and he says a lot, he has
told everyone, and the way he
goes into depression, that he even started
thinking of suicide, thoughts started coming to his mind, so Sir, was it
really such an environment and did you keep yourself
strong during that time,
because if I
ask from the perspective of Govind Sir, then
see, I do not know that this happened with Namdev Bhai.
In fact as a matter of
fact, when you said this I suddenly realized it.
I know Namdev Bhai very well.
Yes,
he was my senior.
When I went to work in the Repertory Company, he was a
big name
there. This happened
to him and I do
n't know at all whether he
ever went into depression. Isn't it? But that's news for
me. If you ask me about myself,
I will say that no brother, I have
spent very carefree and fun days. A. This has never happened to me.
And even if it had happened, perhaps
I was so foolish that I did
not understand that someone had done something to me.
Well, yes, so they
say, there is
a saying that ignorance
is bless, yes, ignorance is bless, yes, that
ignorance is bliss, I
think I am quite an ignorant person, if
anything negative is happening then I become
very ignorant and I do
not remember it. So let me also tell you one thing about myself
that
it has often happened that if
you ever said something about me,
whether you said it to my face or behind my back,
whatever you said, later
you may remember it and say that Sir, I was
not talking to you because I had
said it about you. I don't remember.
I don't remember me. I forget.
Sir, an artist is such a person that if he is
touched even a little bit, he gets hurt very quickly.
We are
not such artists. I am telling the truth,
if someone starts feeling all this, then he is
not an artist, or the ego that
I have, this is
not the ego of an artist, if you say something on his art,
he will never say anything.
Sir, you have told two things before to the coming generation who
want to come in this industry,
tell me this second thing, Sir
brother, this is my experience, it is not for everyone, whoever understands it, understand it, whoever does not understand it, may not.
Yes
sir, things have become easier now than before. The
way your era was, the way you
came into the industry, what understanding do you have of the artists who are coming now,
sir?
I have told you two things. Let me
tell you the third thing.
Please sir,
things were never easy.
Whether it was your ancestors who were primitive humans and
lived in caves, it was not easy for them
and it is not easy for those who live in AC houses today. It is
equally difficult for everyone
and equally easy for everyone.
This is how you manage things. We are
amazing people, friend. Nowadays we
always keep talking about
how difficult the coming times are going to be.
Look Sir, do you think life has become
so difficult? How did it become difficult?
Earlier we did not get food. He used to
roam around with a stick. There was nothing to eat. Used to go out. The
lion used to attack. You don't have that strength.
You don't have the strength of an elephant to
fight. So was that difficult or is this difficult
? Today you sit in the car and leave.
Yet you keep saying it. Humans have
some habits. He keeps making himself special.
Every human being. Hey,
by big difficulties I mean my
ancestors, who fought the most, brother, I think,
more than our ancestors
? Who will speak about their problems? Even today, there is
a fever called injection
malaria.
Brother, no matter how many years, 100 years, 150 years it has been since the
vaccine for malaria was invented.
Yes, about malaria, no, yes about malaria.
Before the medicine for malaria was discovered,
malaria used to kill you, yet today you keep
saying, oh friend, look, this social
media has come, life has become so difficult because of it, oh, has it become
difficult, friend? Well,
things will keep happening, so those difficulties will keep on coming.
This sir is like this,
where does he come from, sir? Is he from a family, is he brought
up, or is this a struggle, this kind of
sir, please I would like to know, oh, how do
I know, where do I come from [laughs],
my thinking is like this,
I have been troubled for a long time,
because what is it,
Anupam Kher sahab had told me something, it was
amazing, he told me an anecdote about Bachchan sahab, and
Kher sahab said that
in his play too. Actually, Kher sahab was quite new, so when
he went for shooting, Bachchan sahab was
sitting, it was very hot outside, very sunny,
he was sitting in the shade, so these words of Kher sahab were
uttered, I went and sat next to him.
Sir, I saw Anupam Kher from NSD,
yes yes he became silent. He was
reading something. So Kher Sahab said that I became
very excited. I said I had to
talk about something. So
Kher Saheb said, it is very hot sir.
So he said yes, it started growing again. He
said, Sir, don't you feel hot? So
Bachchan sahab looked at him and said, if I think about it, it seems so. If I don't think then it doesn't happen. It's just
that, friend.
Whatever you think, the greatest
power a human being has is thinking.
So this is a well-known thing, friend. Is the world
bad or good? The
world is the world. I don't know whether it is good
or bad. Whatever you think will happen.
Sir, you mentioned social media and the
way you just said it is what you think it is.
The way we
see it today. Even the smallest thing is
made into such a big issue.
How much trouble it is, isn't it? There's a bigger problem than our ancestors
[laughter]. He did
not have social media. He was very happy. Was
very happy. Sir, I want to know
that the kind of roles you have played, the kind
of characters you have played, if you had
come in your present form, what would you have done, would you have done them in the same excellent
manner because from Kallu Mama to
the way that song is, if
this is done in today's time then we all will be
trolled in the same way.
Look, you have questioned the fact
that the work you have done has been done.
What will happen today? I
speak correctly and simply. So man, I was still working then. I am still
working today. Even today I like
my work,
I have not changed anything in my work. It is
not like that the day Mark Jockerberg
created Facebook, I said no, now
I will change my acting style. This did
not happen. I am the same man. That's what I'm doing.
Look friend, what is good is
good. Isn't it? Think about it, brother,
things change with the changing times.
Hey brother, how will Shakespeare survive
then? Shakespeare is still alive today.
He wrote it 500 years ago. How
is he alive till today? Is alive. Because brother, that work was
good. He relates to people. He will
always do it. He will continue. Do
you still read Mahabharata? We still
read Ramayana, right? What happened? Has social media
changed Ramayana? Did you change the Mahabharata? It has
n't changed, right? What can social media do,
friend? Ok.
Sir, please
tell me from the perspective of the director of direction. On the basis of the way the audience has become
sensitive, I
want to know that that liberty is no longer there. It seems that
people are now afraid of showing certain things
because if a film like PK is
made today, then the way
you are talking about it, brother, the
people who have come to object now,
yes it is
correct sir,
yes they are objecting, brother, if you are
objecting then I will not ask you, have
you
seen Iranian films? There are some
very beautiful films. There are very
beautiful films. It is a very romantic
film. And
showing romance between man and woman is banned there.
You have a boy who loves another girl.
As a man and a woman that is banned.
But it is not like that, when they were filming in
old Iran, there was no
restriction there.
Ok. Then these bans were imposed. You should watch his films.
You feel the same love, the same things. Isn't it
? He changed the way of saying it.
He said okay. You banned it.
We will not show this.
But there is no dearth of love and romance.
It reflects off of different things.
You Know. So what I mean to say is that it is okay, something can happen
at a certain time. Brother, it
may be that
someone has a particular society which is like this
in the whole world, at this time everyone has become a little
sensitive. The whites have
moved towards white supremacy. Isn't it
? Tell them that no sir,
America is a country
where everyone has come from outside.
Everyone is a 200 year old country from outside.
Everyone has come from outside. They have started
saying there that
Red Indians were
Red Indians before that. Ok. No
problem. It is like that.
But a lot of these things are
politically driven. It happens due to the sentiment of that time.
It does
n't matter. You
can still say what you want to say and it is not necessary that you
fight for it. Not everything is about boys. Isn't it
? Even if I'm misunderstanding you.
Suppose I don't agree with you.
So this does not mean that I should
talk to you by abusing you or shouting at you.
I can also tell you,
look,
I think you're wrong. Maybe
I am wrong. This can also be said.
Okay sir, tell me one thing,
I was watching one of your interviews where
you said that there was a time when I used to do
films for a day just on people's insistence
and I was not even getting paid.
Correct.
So sir, what was the basis at that time?
Regarding not getting the money, Sir, how was it really,
if you please tell me,
I have already told about it in great detail
that there was a time when it had become true, so the
fault in it is not of the industry or of anyone.
I was also partly at fault in this.
What happens is that after doing a film like Satya,
my own expectations
from people increase. I feel that
people have liked one of my works,
so I should get more money.
My salary should be higher.
Or I should get a longer length of the role.
Correct.
Okay, right? But it is not necessary that the other person
's perspective is the same. There was
a time when people used to say that
brother Saurabh, you are a very good actor but
roles were not being thought of for me, this happens
in the life of all actors, it happened
with me too, at that time I did
not feel like working, I did not feel like doing those roles
and it is true
that brother, for a day's money, for a day's
role, that is, for a small role, you
cannot get that much money, so
your mind was
not agreeing at all. So I started telling people
that brother, I am
not an actor. I don't want to act.
I am a writer. I have written the truth. So
I will do the writing. I will not act.
Just to avoid the fact that I am being forced to play
this role and people don't think
that he is a very arrogant man.
What do you think of yourself? I don't want to do it. I just
said that. And there is no other reason because during this time
Sir you worked with many big producers
but the roles were not that entrepreneurial,
then after that when the time changed,
Barfi came and the
same year in which I did Barfi, I did
Jolly, the first one, after that my life completely
changed, after that Raid came, then Jolly PK
came, then Jolly 2 came, then Jolly, then it
became a forest, that would have happened, yes yes Sir,
you praised Ranbir Kapoor a lot.
What was that conversation like, if you could tell me what was that
conversation like that which boosted your motivation, if it was
on a personal level that you develop a
connection with someone. Isn't it? He is
much younger than me. Isn't it?
But the thing is that
we both are of the same age in heart and mind. Isn't it
? That's the dizziness. So it's very fun. It is
not that I meet him every day
or we keep meeting all the time.
He lives in his own world.
I live in my own world. But
whenever we meet, we have a lot of fun. I
met him during Barfi
and I really enjoyed talking to him and
seeing his craft. He is a very good actor. I
think very well. So
I enjoyed that a lot. As a matter of fact,
I have also recently done an
ad film with him.
Yes. So we were together for two days.
We talked a lot.
Sir, the hospitality of the Kapoor family is of a different
level because I was
talking to Manoj Paav Sir.
So that same story that you made, the
whiskey one, you guys went to Old Run. Same thing happened
with him too, he told
that we were sitting with Ranveer. Okay okay,
yes, it is
not that I know everyone in the Kapoor family.
Yes, now I am talking about Ranbir only.
Yes, I have met Chintu ji. He was also a
very funny man. Of course he was much
senior to me and ah
but
I always had a great relationship with Chintu ji, I mean he was a very very
handsome man, but
with Ranveer I met him completely independently, not like
Rishi Kapoor son you know it was not like that ah
and there was a
very friendly atmosphere
with Ranbir, so it is like that, so
their hospitality is famous,
they are
very fond of food and drinks, everyone knows this, right,
but I am not that close to the family, right, yes, I have met
Ranbir as much as I have,
right sir, I want to know that
like I am talking about Kick, if I talk about Salman Khan ji's
hobby and you too, a six year old
child, had a hobby of painting, we see you too were fond of painting, so has there ever been any mention
of painting
between you two,
ah no, ah I have worked with Salman, ah I
hope so and this is my feeling
that he likes me as an artist. Isn't it
? I also like a lot of his stuff.
I know he paints
and does it with passion. I used to
paint in my childhood. Yes.
That's why I want to know sir.
Yes.
But
Salman comes reserved.
Good.
So it is not that I have
talked much to Salman.
A: There is no such conversation. But we
talked only as much as we met. I never
spoke to him and
Salman still practices that art.
I left it, so
after that I never did
painting, I do it whenever I feel like it.
But now I don't get those images
which come to a painter's mind because
when you keep practicing an art,
your mind starts working that way.
You know it starts thinking that way. Isn't it
? So I never did that art.
Ah but yes ah he is very passionate ah about
his art. They even have art galleries
etc. I know this much.
No, I just wanted to understand that I have never
met him so many times that we ever
spoke.
Yes yes sir, as our conversation went on, the word
King came up.
Yes King
ji, you are Shahrukh Khan in that too. Yes yes, what
if I could just tell the fans
as much as I allow you, if I could tell them something about
what kind of expectations the fans should have
because Suhana is also coming, it is a
very important film for Shahrukh, so what would I say,
if I could give a little hint because only this
one reel will be cut, yes yes
you understood, that is why I said it openly
[laughs]
look friend,
in King it is not only me but
70% of the industry.
Or
is it? Every name that is very big is there.
Shahrukh,
I will say one thing to everyone. However, it will be
difficult for Shahrukh.
If you are in this industry then make sure you
meet Shahrukh one day. It's
a very fun moment when
you talk to them. He is a
very amazing man. He is a very charismatic
man. Isn't it? So I would say
that
whatever work I did in King, whenever I did it, it was a
very beautiful memorable moment
for me. I can
understand sir. Sir, please explain one thing to me, do
Anil Kapoor sir and you
both share some diet among yourselves
?
You are asking because his and my
body are similar.
No, both of you are reverse aging,
sir. Why do you mean sir, it's
not this one, it's that one, he is very fit. What are you
talking about my reverse aging brother? That is Anil Sir.
He has discipline and not
just discipline, they
say he is young at heart, if you want to
see that then look at Anil Kapoor.
How long has Anil Kapoor been a star? As soon as you
go closer and talk to them, you will understand immediately.
He doesn't treat himself like a star.
He treats himself so normally. It seems like it's
a new comer who has just started. He
treats himself like that. And that's why he stays young.
Oh,
even today that hunger is there in him.
We looked amazing in Subedar.
Very good.
Very good. Yes
sir, his special fans can expect something from
him too. One
can expect a lot, sir. One
can expect a lot. You have seen the trailer. It's
very good.
Suresh Triveni is a wonderful director. Isn't it? The film has been
shot very well. I also did the right thing.
He did not do anything bad inside. So
you can expect a lot. Yes yes yes
sir. Sir, I would like to talk about the hero
because in it Amrish Puri Sahab ji, I
mean I did not have the good fortune of
meeting him. Sir, if you can explain to today's generation
because we hear many stories about him, if you can
tell about him as an artist
because whatever kind of character he wants, I am
not talking only about the villain. The kind of
characters he used to play. Sir, if you could tell me about the kind of impression he
left, then
I met Amrish Puri sahab only
in one or two films. Isn't it? He was a very
big star at that time and
he remained a big star as long as he lived.
What you hear about him is that brother, it is
not like that he
started his career at a very old age
and reached that level of success.
If you look at his work, he was
dominant in commercial films. But
you see him in Govindlani's films.
You see him in Shyam Benigal's films. The
range of that man was
amazing. He was a very simple man. Isn't it
? He was a big star but a very
simple man. I don't
mean much to him, I didn't meet him enough to
know anything about his craft.
But as a human being, whatever I got to know in one or two
films, I understood a lot of it.
Many things became clear. Do
you want me to say something about this?
No no sir, I just wanted to know
that if you tell me something related to the hero
then just
look at that, I will tell you in a very simple way.
And it's not a comment on anything. A
but as a young actor when you start a new job.
Of course you want to be
successful. You want to be a star.
Everybody Wants to Be a Star. Okay, right?
But you don't understand
how one becomes a star. Isn't it? You see the star from a distance. Let
me just watch from a distance. If I
see Shahrukh from a distance, I will feel that he is a star
because 15 people walk with him.
Two trains run. Three vehicles travel
with them. Isn't it? A bus runs. So
you think this is what a star is. If you
talk to a star, he is not the same person. Isn't it
? He is a very intelligent person.
Correct.
So those were all confusions. So when I
met Amrish ji for the first time,
I went to his van to have food.
Call me and sit.
Yes, I saw that there was a man with him.
OK was
his makeup man. We used to
make the same for them.
He also helped him in serving tea and coffee.
We
probably did the driving too. Oh, so
I kept looking at it like that. I said sir, you are
such a big star.
Where are your rebels? What does 'kah rebel log' mean
?
What will I do by employing 15 people when one person can do the work?
I said this is also correct sir. So
think from the point of view of each young actor who is
building his image that no, no, the
day I will take 15 people with me, that day I will be a
star. Does he really understand that there is a
star standing in front of you, friend?
You can take one or 15.
It doesn't matter. That is at your
convenience. What do you want to do?
But that is not the mark of a star. The star
is you.
This is like I tell you about Hollywood.
Reeves is there, yes, yes,
everyone,
Reeves is such a big star.
Yes, everything goes on as
normal.
Came to India by the way.
Ok.
Came to India. He is fond of playing guitar. The
program was going on. The main singer was someone else.
Standing back, he slowly
played the guitar. He plays the bass guitar. Played the bass guitar
and left. Keiano Reeves There
was no publicity Keiano Reeves is coming to
India. No it was the singer he was in the
band. He played it back and left. It is his hobby. But
I want to talk about this open book.
What are you bringing for the audience this time sir
? There is something special because we have been
watching you as an actor. I
know you very well as a writer too.
What is it like with Saurabh Sir this time in direction? So if I were to
define the film Jab Khuli Kitaab for you,
it is a family film and a
film on the beauty of relationships.
But it's not just a
hunky dory or a rosy
picture. This is a very real picture.
The absurdity of life is also present in it. Isn't it
? There are a
lot of smiles. There are a lot of
tears too. It makes me
laugh and it also makes me sad. Isn't it?
So, a very heart-warming
film, which I
must say is very soft, very
fragile, this is a film about emotions.
A:
I have written and produced the film, so
obviously I like it very much.
But my good luck is that all the people who are
doing interviews right now have
seen the film. And people have really, really said very
beautiful things about it. It has
great performances by Pankaj Kapoor, Dimple
Kapadia, Apaar Shakti, Sameer
Soni, Nauheed Hai Na Mansi, Sunil
Palwal and many more many more. So Everybody
Is Beautiful. It's a It's a It's a
beautifully short film. It's shot in
Ranikhet, right?
This film is set in the lap of the Himalayas. Visually
very beautiful film. Very beautiful
music composed by Rita Jaya and
produced by Music Production,
its entire arrangement and everything has been done. The
original score is done by
Prati Jyoti Ghosh. A so everything is going for.
Sir, please tell me, given the current
times, as a writer, how did you
feel that an open book will be able to reach the
hearts of the audience through a message
? One, if we talk about its presentation,
I think we are talking about the end results,
how will it reach the hearts of the audience
or what is the current era like? I think at
least I don't do such things.
I don't carry the end result. You do
n't make a film to give any message.
Or
you don't worry about how to reach the hearts of the audience. You are
compelled by an idea. It keeps coming to your mind again and again
that this is good and that keeps
growing on its own.
Where did this seed come from? Sir, please
tell me this again. This in between means that is the story you keep searching for.
Thousands of stories and
ideas keep coming to you every day. 50
Ideas keep happening here and there, sometimes in real life, sometimes
on paper, sometimes somewhere else. So, just like that,
one idea gets stuck. It
then starts developing on its own. Then
gradually you start feeling that no
friend, this is good and dramatic. Well, there
are a lot of possibilities in this. You start
feeling like this and then it comes back
and then you start feeling that no friend, I should
write something on this. Isn't it? That idea
itself forces you to do it. So
this is the basic process and when you
start writing it, then you
actually do not know what you want to say.
You liked an idea.
You started.
You started. Yes.
And then while saying this to you, suddenly you understand
that okay friend, I can
say something on this also. I can say something on this matter also. While
saying this, slowly its soul
comes into your hands.
And then in totality by the time you finish the
film you approximately know what you are
trying to say.
And then the audience receives it. And
perspective also comes from them.
How did he feel?
Not only did you like or dislike it, but what did you feel about
what you wanted to say and
how people received it,
this is a complete process.
Yes Sir, tell me, when
you were at the writing stage, was the casting coming to your mind at that time
or did it come to
your mind after the completion of writing, whether intentionally or unintentionally. Isn't it
? Which
also becomes your wish list. It rarely happens
that you get what is on your wish list
because it is not necessary that the person who has come to your mind will
like this story. This is not necessary. Isn't it? But I will say that
it was a beautiful coincidence
in this film that
all the people I thought about are
in the film today.
Oh Sir, when you left, I would like to talk about Pankaj Sir, he is
very selective. I mean,
tell me with them, when
you told them the story, what about them, if the
audience would definitely like to know what kind of
choice of roles they have. What kind of
things live there. So as a director, when you
went to him with your story, then actually only
Pankaj ji can answer this question
best. But I can tell you
that Pankaj ji or any other actor at least I can say that this
much actors have
only one choice. This is
a script through which they can identify
whatever they want to do and whatever they like very much.
Ok? Let me tell you about Pankaj ji.
I did not have to tell the story to Pankaj ji.
I went to meet him and
met him for the first time in my life. Although I
knew him long ago. Meaning, I
knew about him but we basically never met.
As a matter of fact,
I had never met Dimple Ma'am either.
A I went to meet
Pankaj ji at his place. Pankaj ji
said that brother, I like to study. Do
n't tell me a story. I will read it and then
tell you. Okay,
and
you left the fourth day script?
I had left the script of course. So on the
fourth day he called and he said I am doing the picture.
Ok. If this is all that happens then it means I will
not be able to tell you anything. What did they
read, what did they feel? Isn't it
? That and the other thing about Dimple Ma'am was that
she was definitely on my mind. But I was
keeping that idea away. Because
Dimple ma'am is such a big
actress, such a big star.
He did so much work in commercial films
and not only in commercial films
but he also did
very good work in parallel cinema. Rudaali was one of his
films which became very famous at one time.
When this discussion was going on, one of Nolan's
films, Christopher Nolan, had done
this. So I thought that it is fine, it is
in my mind, so what,
but why should I dream of something that will never be
fulfilled and this was my mistake, this was
my own inhibition, so Sameer Nair
and my partner Narendra
told me that no, I must send the script, so I
sent the script and after
sending the script, I sent it today, yesterday
and the day before yesterday, that is, after three days I got a call.
I did not have Dimple ji's number. When I
picked up the phone, I heard her beautiful, powerful voice.
She said, Saurabh ji, I am Dimple
Kabadiya speaking. I
read your script. I am doing this film
and no one else will do this role except me.
Oh,
I mean
we
mean you, what more can a human being ask for.
Same thing happened with Apaar also. Apaar was also
in my mind. I used to think that
if the character of Negi is an
actor like Apaar, then I did not think of Apaar
because of this, I thought of it
because Apaar had started doing well. He was getting
roles for them. Whatever it may be,
Apaar's role is very important.
Negi has a very good role in this.
But the
story is about these two characters.
Pankaj ji and Dimple. So I thought
that when I tell this to Apaar, he might
say that Saurabh ji, please
give me a script in which the story is about me. That's what
I thought. But I
only told Apar the idea and his character
and he stood up, shook hands
and said sorry sir, I am in.
So it was really a wonderful time and
although I don't believe much in luck
and stars etc.
But I think my stars were
aligned and I was lucky that everything happened the way it did.
Right from applause, who
believed in this film so much,
my partner Narendra and Mahesh, everyone worked shoulder to shoulder
and they believed in the
story and
keeping the story as the main thing, everyone moved on.
And it is really a beautiful experience
Sir, I have also seen the film and the way
you have woven the fabric of relationships
from the beginning till the end, the way the
complex things are
seen and the emotions that are expressed in it,
believe me Sir, it is amazing. Sir, please
tell me one thing, I am completely surprised by you now.
You have been
interviewing me for so long. At least this much
praise should be given in the beginning so that
I too get some courage.
[Laughter]
No sir, it's really amazing. Sir,
tell me one thing, was there a
plan to release it in theatres for theatrical or were
you planning for OTT from the beginning, as a
filmmaker, if you ask about
any film, there is
always a little attraction of a big screen.
Every filmmaker wants his film to
go to theatres. But understand one thing,
going to the theatre is not the ultimate goal of
the filmmaker. The
goal of the filmmaker is to
reach an audience that can relish it.
Ok? The times we are
going through are very good times. Isn't it? A.
Look, theatre in itself has
always been
a tough business.
Yes, it
is absolutely true, it requires a lot of money. A
lot of planning is required.
Yes,
and there is no guarantee whether people will
come to the theatre to watch your film or not. He
may even come. It is possible that he may not
even come.
Yes, right
? So when all these things happen then a little bit of
that remains, so it is a struggle
which is absolutely correct, it has always been there
and the films have also been successful, yes, it is a
very good time when another
format has come to us which is OTT,
OTT is amazing that what
should be said in it that the
ethics of the film are intact.
Cinematic language is used. It's not
like television. Television has
created its own unique format.
That is completely different. Isn't it
? That is completely different. So whatever cinema
desires, it fulfils all those things.
And it is a lot it takes your work to
a much wider audience. So, like
this film is releasing on Zee5, Zee5 has a
huge audience base in Hindi and that
audience is a home grown audience, so that is a
lot of people to whom you
want to reach. Look, you should understand that
it is easy that the film was
released in Mumbai and Delhi. But it is not necessary
that it will happen in Jabalpur or not. Isn't it
?
Correct.
Or will it happen in Tughlakabad or not?
Even if it happens, I don't know if it will be shown in some
other small town, a very small town where there are two
theatres, so I don't know whether it will be shown there or
not. But the base of OTT is such that
it reaches everywhere. So, you get to
reach a bigger audience and which is I think what
every filmmaker wants at the
end of it.
Right, right. Definitely, sir. I just
want to understand that the way money is spent
and the way the entire source of income is
in the industry, on that basis OTT has become so
strong that if a maker
makes films of his choice and
earns a decent amount from it, if you can tell.
Look, I am telling you about this, I am the wrong person because I do
not understand the business of theatre,
how does theatrical business happen? Is there a ratio of
100 crores, 200 crores in that, no no,
that happens, of course, it happens only when the money
comes, but what is its
distribution, how do you
expect it, how do you generate that, I am
not a business person, I am a film business person, I am
on the creative side and I can
tell only what I know. Similarly, how does
OTT work? I don't know but I know that they have been
creating original work, when you say so,
what happens is that
brother, you make a film, release it in theatres
and it is later shown on OTT,
but at the same time, in every OTT, you will
see that there is a direct to OTT which is called
the original OTT original, so of
course they must have some business model
which is very successful, only then they give so much money
and not to one but to many people, they
make big films. Those people make all kinds of films. So I
really don't know how it
works. That for that I am sure that
you should interview some OTT officials. Right right.
Sir I just wanted to understand
because one the way you are coming up with stories
, the way you are doing things.
So everyone has the same desire to go to the theatre.
You explained very well what mathematics is
and how things work. It was on that basis that
I asked you the question. Hum
a Sir Anything Else Sir
if you want to say something about this film because then I would like to
move forward with you Sir
yes, I mean I would like to say this about this film
that it is a very beautiful film,
yes only if
you watch the trailer you will understand
how beautiful this world is. It has been
shot at a very beautiful place. The songs are
very good. You will listen to him. As per
your request, I am telling this to the audience
that they have said, suppose
complex cities and the world
which is the entire fabric of this film is
beautiful, we enjoyed it a lot, we had a
great joy making this film and I want to
share that joy
with the audience
and believe me, you must not have seen such a web of relationships and the
kind of emotions before,
what a thing
sir, some rapid fire and a few, let's do it
quickly sir, a Jolly LLB, Akshay
Kumar or Arshad Warsi, who is Lata,
okay brother listen, I will give you the truth,
absolutely sir, give it to me immediately, this
war that you people are creating, I am
not the only one responsible,
yes no, in this war that you people are creating, you
ask who is Arshad Warsi or
Akshay Kumar, both are artists in art,
friend, know one thing, and I have also
heard someone saying this, then my belief has become
completely firm in this thing, in art there
is no better, best
and worse, everybody
is different,
if you understand this, then what you say is
yours Who is the best actor in Nazar?
Hey, what does best actor mean, friend? An
actor is an actor. One actor is different
from the other actor.
This or this? Hey brother, why are you putting a noose around my neck
?
Ok sir let's move ahead. Theatre or movie. I have only
one life, my friend.
Yes. Embrace whatever you find. Do
n't grab whatever you find. I will do whatever I want. If
you want to embrace, then embrace. [laughs]
Which artist did you see being the most prepared on set
? If I have to name one,
you might have noticed that he used to
come most prepared.
Brother, if I had been watching all this then
how would I have acted or done art myself
because then I would have kept paying attention to these things
that who has
come prepared? Who didn't come prepared? Then
I will do those things, right? Then I will not do any work.
OK sir. Mumbai vs Delhi food. Where
?
Mumbai vs Delhi food.
Yes, your favorite.
My favorite. We are from
Mumbai for Vada Pav, Delhi for Chole Bhature.
OK sir. Beer or whiskey?
Beer or whiskey?
Yes. Nothing.
The saint is a man. Since
when have you adopted this practice of Sir Sadhat?
Always the old monk.
OK sir. Thank you so much sir.
Look at the picture again.
Sure.
Watch with the whole family.
Show it to the producer also.
Thank you so much.
Ok.