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King is not just me, it is 70% of the industry.

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Every name that is very big is there.

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If you are in this industry then make sure you

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meet Shahrukh one day.  What happens is that

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after doing a film like Satya, my own

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expectations

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from people increase.  So I should

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get more money.  My salary should be higher.  They

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say young at heart,

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if you want to see that then look at Anil Kapoor.   If I

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see Shahrukh from a distance, I will feel that he is a

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star because 15 people walk with him.

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So when I met Amrish ji for the first time,

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I went to his van to have food.

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So I kept looking at him and said,

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Sir, you are such a big star.

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Where are your rebels?  What does rebel people mean

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?  What will I do by employing 15 people when one person can do the work

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?  Salman is a very reserved

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person, so it is not that I have

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talked much to Salman.

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I have worked with Salman.  I

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hope and feel that he

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likes me as an artist.  I also

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like a lot of his stuff.  This

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ego which exists is the ego of I.

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This is not the artist's ego.   If you

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say something about his art, he will never

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say anything.

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Saurabh Sir, first of all hello.

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Hello.

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Sir, tell me one thing.  First of all I

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want to know this.  Do you

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like hearing praise from your fans or

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after that praise from the President, do you feel that it's enough

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?   No. No.

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Appreciation is something that never just happens.   Yes.   The more it continues, the

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better.

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That's good.  It is fun to listen to.  So

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Sir, I would like to share a small memory with you

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that when your song Kallu Mama

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comes and I am in school and

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suddenly people start talking in my neighborhood

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that Kallu Mama Kallu Mama, we did

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not know because we did

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not have the freedom to go to the theatre, then after that the

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movie is shown in our neighborhood through VCR

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and as soon as that song plays, there is a lot of

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commotion.  Sir, believe me, that

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picture had changed the atmosphere of our entire locality.

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So, there are many fans, Sir, I remember

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such things, the way the

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craze for Kallu Mama suddenly came, I

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remember it, it is not like that, I remember it, is

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n't it, but the thing is that life, the touch

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world is so beautiful that you do not miss it, it is not like

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you miss it, oh friend, that was

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a time, today is a different time,

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so I was happy in that time and I am

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happy even today and pray that I remain happy like this,

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sir, tell me one thing, the way

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I see your journey, the way

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I see your roles, I

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see each one better than the other.

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You get the National Award for Jolly LLB.  But believe me

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sir, I feel there are many more

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powerful roles which deserved to be appreciated.

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Sir, it seems that you had some other roles which could have

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received the same respect.  You can understand

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that whatever happened with Jolly LLB, the same thing happened.

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So since you said so, I got the respect anyway.

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Haris.   Isn't it

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?  So it is not that I did

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not get respect.  Isn't it?  Aa Aa Look,

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National Award is a big thing and I was very

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happy to receive it and I will always cherish it, I will

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cherish that for the rest

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of my life, but the biggest award

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for you is the time when you are working, there is

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no bigger award than that

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when you are doing whatever work you are doing

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and that work immerses you completely in it.

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is a huge award in itself and then

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award or not.

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I never thought about this because I

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always received love from people.  I kept getting to know from people whether

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they liked my work or

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liked my films.  So that's award itself, right?

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Yes sir, I can understand sir.  But there is one thing that

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if an artist gets appreciation in the way it is called an award, then

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when such things happen then

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definitely he gets a boost,

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see, I would like to say one thing here that

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getting an award does not mean much to an artist.

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This is an added thing.  There is a happiness.  Isn't it

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?  A. Art is

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more a need for him than a desire for him.  He

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cannot do anything without her.  Isn't it?  It's it's a

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necessity.

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So you get a chance to do your work

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or to say your point or to

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express your expression.

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This is what you need.  No, you don't

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work for awards, no, no, well, let me

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tell you one thing.  I I went to

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teach at FTI.  I had gone to take a workshop

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and in this way I have taken workshops for actors at two-three places

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often asked this question.  I said people

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asked Sir

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how to become a good actor or how to become an actor?

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how to become an actor and how to become a good actor?

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But I tell you only one thing

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that

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you should just ask yourself this question that brother,

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why do I want to become an actor?  Okay, right

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?  Now when you try to find the answer to this question,

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you will actually

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not get the answer.  Isn't it?  Well, his method

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is simple.  Imagine that you are a successful

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actor.  Isn't it?  Five years from now, you are a

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successful actor.  So what do you see

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?  So you may feel

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that brother, I must have a lot of money.

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property or you may see that people

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are crazy.  If he is a boy, he will appear as if the

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girls are crazy.  If there is a girl after him then he

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thinks that all the men are crazy after her.

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Foreign travel is visible.  Traveling in first class

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is visible.  Isn't it?  Do you see all this

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Yes.  I think this is what most people would understand.

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Then there is no need to become an actor.   There

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is a lot to achieve.

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If this is your dream, if you want to achieve this dream

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, then it is not necessary that you become an actor.

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Acting is also a way.

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But you can be an industrialist.   It could be the

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same thing.  There may be politicians in it.  The

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same thing may be there in that too.

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Do any other work, in any work you will reach a place

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where you will get all these things.

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The day you don't get a reply.  You

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and I say, Sir, I don't know what it is.

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And I really don't care whether I get anything or not.

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But this is what I have to do.

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This is my compulsion.

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No that you are an actor.

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you will understand that you are an actor.

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What is the matter, sir.

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Because then you will

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not go here and there.  Will not wander.   Isn't it

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Absolutely.  Then whether we get something, whether we get success or not

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we will.   Whether

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someone praises you or not, whether someone praises you or not, it doesn't

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matter.  I took up acting.  There is a lot.

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I think Sir, you have said a very good thing

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that what we see is that

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boys and girls who come here struggle and get

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troubled in the hustle and bustle of Mumbai.

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depression and hear all these things, if they

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understand these things then it will be better.

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You.   Yes.

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I think so.

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Sir, I want to take you back to your journey

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Sir, how things started with Banded Quits, please

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tell me Sir, during that time you had

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told me many things, when the film Chal was being shot, I

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got some information that at that

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time when Phoolan Devi was in jail, Dolly Aloo

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Walia ji used to go to meet her,

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yes Dolly because she was doing it, she

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was in costume and she is very

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senior to us and she must have gone.  Shekhar must have gone.

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Hey, we were just small actors.

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You have suddenly placed me

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on the platform, it is like picking me up from the dust.   Yes yes yes.

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And sir, the way the dacoits had come on the set

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and the whole story that you had narrated,

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sir, it was really amazing the way the

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entire cast came out of it, you have got

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one better than the other actors,

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yes yes yes, I would say this for Bandit Queen that

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today you see many people, be it

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me or Manoj, Nirmal is

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no more but Nirmal had also come here, there is

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Aditya Srivastava,

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I am talking about actors, apart from him there are

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many other people.  Tighanshu is forgetful.  Isn't it

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?  There are a lot of people.  All of this has

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come thanks to Bandit Queen.  We all

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came here together and started together.

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So today you see a lot of famous people.

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We All Came

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to This City

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Because of That Film.

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You are absolutely right sir.  Sir, like

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I met Govind Namdev Sir, he was also yours

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and I talked to him, so

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I want to understand his journey, his initial journey, that

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Sir, when an artist comes from Delhi

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and the way he is welcomed in Mumbai, everything, then

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when

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he told that his first film was

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with Subhash Ghai ji, Saudagar, and his entire role gets

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cut and he says a lot, he has

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told everyone, and the way he

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goes into depression, that he even started

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thinking of suicide, thoughts started coming to his mind, so Sir, was it

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really such an environment and did you keep yourself

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strong during that time,

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because if I

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ask from the perspective of Govind Sir, then

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see, I do not know that this happened with Namdev Bhai.

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In fact as a matter of

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fact, when you said this I suddenly realized it.

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I know Namdev Bhai very well.

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he was my senior.

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big name

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there.  This happened

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to him and I do

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n't know at all whether he

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ever went into depression.  Isn't it?  But that's news for

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me.  If you ask me about myself,

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I will say that no brother, I have

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spent very carefree and fun days.  A. This has never happened to me.

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I was so foolish that I did

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not understand that someone had done something to me.

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Well, yes, so they

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say, there is

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a saying that ignorance

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is bless, yes, ignorance is bless, yes, that

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ignorance is bliss, I

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think I am quite an ignorant person, if

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anything negative is happening then I become

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very ignorant and I do

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not remember it.  So let me also tell you one thing about myself

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that

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it has often happened that if

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you ever said something about me,

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whether you said it to my face or behind my back,

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whatever you said, later

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you may remember it and say that Sir, I was

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not talking to you because I had

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said it about you.  I don't remember.

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I don't remember me.  I forget.

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Sir, an artist is such a person that if he is

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touched even a little bit, he gets hurt very quickly.

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We are

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not such artists. I am telling the truth,

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if someone starts feeling all this, then he is

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not an artist, or the ego that

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I have, this is

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not the ego of an artist, if you say something on his art,

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he will never say anything.

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Sir, you have told two things before to the coming generation who

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want to come in this industry,

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tell me this second thing, Sir

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brother, this is my experience, it is not for everyone, whoever understands it, understand it, whoever does not understand it, may not.

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Yes

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sir, things have become easier now than before.  The

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way your era was, the way you

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came into the industry, what understanding do you have of the artists who are coming now,

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sir?

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I have told you two things.  Let me

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tell you the third thing.

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Please sir,

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things were never easy.

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Whether it was your ancestors who were primitive humans and

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lived in caves, it was not easy for them

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and it is not easy for those who live in AC houses today.  It is

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equally difficult for everyone

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and equally easy for everyone.

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This is how you manage things.  We are

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amazing people, friend.  Nowadays we

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always keep talking about

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how difficult the coming times are going to be.

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Look Sir, do you think life has become

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so difficult?  How did it become difficult?

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Earlier we did not get food.  He used to

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roam around with a stick.  There was nothing to eat.  Used to go out.  The

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lion used to attack.  You don't have that strength.

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You don't have the strength of an elephant to

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fight.  So was that difficult or is this difficult

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?  Today you sit in the car and leave.

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Yet you keep saying it.  Humans have

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some habits.  He keeps making himself special.

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Every human being.  Hey,

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by big difficulties I mean my

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ancestors, who fought the most, brother, I think,

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more than our ancestors

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?  Who will speak about their problems?  Even today, there is

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a fever called injection

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malaria.

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Brother, no matter how many years, 100 years, 150 years it has been since the

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vaccine for malaria was invented.

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Yes, about malaria, no, yes about malaria.

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Before the medicine for malaria was discovered,

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malaria used to kill you, yet today you keep

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saying, oh friend, look, this social

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media has come, life has become so difficult because of it, oh, has it become

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difficult, friend? Well,

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things will keep happening, so those difficulties will keep on coming.

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This sir is like this,

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where does he come from, sir? Is he from a family, is he brought

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up, or is this a struggle, this kind of

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sir, please I would like to know, oh, how do

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I know, where do I come from [laughs],

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my thinking is like this,

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I have been troubled for a long time,

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because what is it,

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Anupam Kher sahab had told me something, it was

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amazing, he told me an anecdote about Bachchan sahab, and

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Kher sahab said that

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in his play too. Actually, Kher sahab was quite new, so when

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he went for shooting, Bachchan sahab was

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sitting, it was very hot outside, very sunny,

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he was sitting in the shade, so these words of Kher sahab were

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uttered, I went and sat next to him.

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Sir, I saw Anupam Kher from NSD,

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yes yes he became silent.  He was

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reading something.  So Kher Sahab said that I became

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very excited.  I said I had to

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talk about something.  So

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Kher Saheb said, it is very hot sir.

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So he said yes, it started growing again.   He

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said, Sir, don't you feel hot?  So

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Bachchan sahab looked at him and said, if I think about it, it seems so.   If I don't think then it doesn't happen.   It's just

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that, friend.

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Whatever you think, the greatest

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power a human being has is thinking.

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So this is a well-known thing, friend.  Is the world

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bad or good?   The

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world is the world.  I don't know whether it is good

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or bad.  Whatever you think will happen.

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Sir, you mentioned social media and the

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way you just said it is what you think it is.

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The way we

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see it today.  Even the smallest thing is

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made into such a big issue.

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How much trouble it is, isn't it?  There's a bigger problem than our ancestors

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[laughter].  He did

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not have social media.  He was very happy.   Was

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very happy.  Sir, I want to know

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that the kind of roles you have played, the kind

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of characters you have played, if you had

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come in your present form, what would you have done, would you have done them in the same excellent

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manner because from Kallu Mama to

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the way that song is, if

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this is done in today's time then we all will be

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trolled in the same way.

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Look, you have questioned the fact

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that the work you have done has been done.

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What will happen today?  I

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speak correctly and simply.  So man, I was still working then.  I am still

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working today.  Even today I like

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my work,

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I have not changed anything in my work.  It is

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not like that the day Mark Jockerberg

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created Facebook, I said no, now

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I will change my acting style.  This did

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not happen.  I am the same man.  That's what I'm doing.

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Look friend, what is good is

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good.  Isn't it?  Think about it, brother,

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things change with the changing times.

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Hey brother, how will Shakespeare survive

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then?  Shakespeare is still alive today.

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He wrote it 500 years ago.  How

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is he alive till today?  Is alive.  Because brother, that work was

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good.  He relates to people.  He will

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always do it.  He will continue.  Do

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you still read Mahabharata?  We still

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read Ramayana, right?  What happened?  Has social media

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changed Ramayana?  Did you change the Mahabharata?   It has

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n't changed, right?  What can social media do,

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friend?  Ok.

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Sir, please

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tell me from the perspective of the director of direction.  On the basis of the way the audience has become

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sensitive, I

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want to know that that liberty is no longer there. It seems that

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people are now afraid of showing certain things

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because if a film like PK is

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made today, then the way

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you are talking about it, brother, the

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people who have come to object now,

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yes it is

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correct sir,

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yes they are objecting, brother, if you are

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objecting then I will not ask you, have

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you

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seen Iranian films?  There are some

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very beautiful films.  There are very

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beautiful films.  It is a very romantic

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film.  And

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showing romance between man and woman is banned there.

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You have a boy who loves another girl.

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As a man and a woman that is banned.

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But it is not like that, when they were filming in

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old Iran, there was no

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restriction there.

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Ok.  Then these bans were imposed.  You should watch his films.

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You feel the same love, the same things.   Isn't it

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?  He changed the way of saying it.

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He said okay.  You banned it.

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We will not show this.

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But there is no dearth of love and romance.

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It reflects off of different things.

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You Know.  So what I mean to say is that it is okay, something can happen

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at a certain time.  Brother, it

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may be that

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someone has a particular society which is like this

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in the whole world, at this time everyone has become a little

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sensitive.  The whites have

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moved towards white supremacy.  Isn't it

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?  Tell them that no sir,

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America is a country

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where everyone has come from outside.

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Everyone is a 200 year old country from outside.

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Everyone has come from outside.   They have started

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saying there that

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Red Indians were

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Red Indians before that.  Ok.  No

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problem.  It is like that.

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But a lot of these things are

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politically driven.  It happens due to the sentiment of that time.

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It does

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n't matter.  You

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can still say what you want to say and it is not necessary that you

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fight for it.  Not everything is about boys.   Isn't it

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?  Even if I'm misunderstanding you.

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Suppose I don't agree with you.

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So this does not mean that I should

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talk to you by abusing you or shouting at you.

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I can also tell you,

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look,

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I think you're wrong.  Maybe

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I am wrong.  This can also be said.

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Okay sir, tell me one thing,

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I was watching one of your interviews where

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you said that there was a time when I used to do

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films for a day just on people's insistence

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and I was not even getting paid.

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Correct.

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So sir, what was the basis at that time?

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Regarding not getting the money, Sir, how was it really,

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if you please tell me,

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I have already told about it in great detail

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that there was a time when it had become true, so the

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fault in it is not of the industry or of anyone.

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I was also partly at fault in this.

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What happens is that after doing a film like Satya,

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my own expectations

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from people increase.  I feel that

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people have liked one of my works,

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so I should get more money.

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My salary should be higher.

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Or I should get a longer length of the role.

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Correct.

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Okay, right?  But it is not necessary that the other person

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's perspective is the same.  There was

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a time when people used to say that

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brother Saurabh, you are a very good actor but

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roles were not being thought of for me, this happens

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in the life of all actors, it happened

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with me too, at that time I did

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not feel like working, I did not feel like doing those roles

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and it is true

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that brother, for a day's money, for a day's

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role, that is, for a small role, you

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cannot get that much money, so

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your mind was

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not agreeing at all.  So I started telling people

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that brother, I am

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not an actor.  I don't want to act.

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I am a writer.  I have written the truth.  So

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I will do the writing.  I will not act.

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Just to avoid the fact that I am being forced to play

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this role and people don't think

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that he is a very arrogant man.

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What do you think of yourself?  I don't want to do it.  I just

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said that.  And there is no other reason because during this time

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Sir you worked with many big producers

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but the roles were not that entrepreneurial,

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then after that when the time changed,

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Barfi came and the

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same year in which I did Barfi, I did

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Jolly, the first one, after that my life completely

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changed, after that Raid came, then Jolly PK

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came, then Jolly 2 came, then Jolly, then it

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became a forest, that would have happened, yes yes Sir,

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you praised Ranbir Kapoor a lot.

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What was that conversation like, if you could tell me what was that

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conversation like that which boosted your motivation, if it was

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on a personal level that you develop a

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connection with someone.  Isn't it?  He is

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much younger than me.  Isn't it?

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But the thing is that

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we both are of the same age in heart and mind.  Isn't it

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?  That's the dizziness.  So it's very fun.  It is

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not that I meet him every day

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or we keep meeting all the time.

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He lives in his own world.

515
00:23:47,839 --> 00:23:52,480
I live in my own world.  But

516
00:23:49,519 --> 00:23:55,359
whenever we meet, we have a lot of fun.   I

517
00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:58,798
met him during Barfi

518
00:23:55,359 --> 00:24:01,038
and I really enjoyed talking to him and

519
00:24:01,038 --> 00:24:08,558
seeing his craft.  He is a very good actor.  I

520
00:24:03,759 --> 00:24:10,960
think very well.  So

521
00:24:08,558 --> 00:24:13,359
I enjoyed that a lot.  As a matter of fact,

522
00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:15,440
I have also recently done an

523
00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:18,319
ad film with him.

524
00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:20,320
Yes.  So we were together for two days.

525
00:24:18,319 --> 00:24:23,359
We talked a lot.

526
00:24:20,319 --> 00:24:25,599
Sir, the hospitality of the Kapoor family is of a different

527
00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:26,719
level because I was

528
00:24:25,599 --> 00:24:28,879
talking to Manoj Paav Sir.

529
00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:31,759
So that same story that you made, the

530
00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:34,400
whiskey one, you guys went to Old Run.   Same thing happened

531
00:24:31,759 --> 00:24:36,640
with him too, he told

532
00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:38,320
that we were sitting with Ranveer.   Okay okay,

533
00:24:38,319 --> 00:24:42,720
yes, it is

534
00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:45,200
not that I know everyone in the Kapoor family.

535
00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:50,640
Yes, now I am talking about Ranbir only.

536
00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:53,359
Yes, I have met Chintu ji.  He was also a

537
00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:57,919
very funny man.  Of course he was much

538
00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:59,519
senior to me and ah

539
00:24:57,919 --> 00:25:02,480
but

540
00:24:59,519 --> 00:25:07,359
I always had a great relationship with Chintu ji, I mean he was a very very

541
00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:09,599
handsome man, but

542
00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:12,558
with Ranveer I met him completely independently, not like

543
00:25:09,599 --> 00:25:17,079
Rishi Kapoor son you know it was not like that ah

544
00:25:12,558 --> 00:25:17,079
and there was a

545
00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:25,200
very friendly atmosphere

546
00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:28,798
with Ranbir, so it is like that, so

547
00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:31,759
their hospitality is famous,

548
00:25:28,798 --> 00:25:36,639
they are

549
00:25:31,759 --> 00:25:38,960
very fond of food and drinks, everyone knows this, right,

550
00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:42,480
but I am not that close to the family, right, yes, I have met

551
00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:45,759
Ranbir as much as I have,

552
00:25:45,759 --> 00:25:53,200
right sir, I want to know that

553
00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:55,919
like I am talking about Kick, if I talk about Salman Khan ji's

554
00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:58,640
hobby and you too, a six year old

555
00:25:55,919 --> 00:26:00,880
child, had a hobby of painting, we see you too were fond of painting, so has there ever been any mention

556
00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:07,278
of painting

557
00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:12,479
between you two,

558
00:26:07,278 --> 00:26:16,720
ah no, ah I have worked with Salman, ah I

559
00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:19,919
hope so and this is my feeling

560
00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:20,798
that he likes me as an artist.   Isn't it

561
00:26:20,798 --> 00:26:27,519
?  I also like a lot of his stuff.

562
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:30,000
I know he paints

563
00:26:27,519 --> 00:26:31,519
and does it with passion.  I used to

564
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:32,159
paint in my childhood.   Yes.

565
00:26:32,159 --> 00:26:34,320
That's why I want to know sir.

566
00:26:33,679 --> 00:26:36,080
Yes.

567
00:26:34,319 --> 00:26:37,759
But

568
00:26:36,079 --> 00:26:38,240
Salman comes reserved.

569
00:26:37,759 --> 00:26:40,558
Good.

570
00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:42,480
So it is not that I have

571
00:26:40,558 --> 00:26:46,079
talked much to Salman.

572
00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:48,400
A: There is no such conversation.  But we

573
00:26:46,079 --> 00:26:52,240
talked only as much as we met.  I never

574
00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:54,960
spoke to him and

575
00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:56,880
Salman still practices that art.

576
00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:58,640
I left it, so

577
00:26:56,880 --> 00:27:01,760
after that I never did

578
00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:03,919
painting, I do it whenever I feel like it.

579
00:27:01,759 --> 00:27:07,119
But now I don't get those images

580
00:27:03,919 --> 00:27:09,440
which come to a painter's mind because

581
00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:12,158
when you keep practicing an art,

582
00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:14,960
your mind starts working that way.

583
00:27:12,159 --> 00:27:17,200
You know it starts thinking that way.  Isn't it

584
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:20,960
?  So I never did that art.

585
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:23,759
Ah but yes ah he is very passionate ah about

586
00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:26,480
his art.  They even have art galleries

587
00:27:23,759 --> 00:27:28,480
etc.  I know this much.

588
00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:29,120
No, I just wanted to understand that I have never

589
00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:35,360
met him so many times that we ever

590
00:27:34,798 --> 00:27:38,798
spoke.

591
00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:39,759
Yes yes sir, as our conversation went on, the word

592
00:27:38,798 --> 00:27:40,400
King came up.

593
00:27:39,759 --> 00:27:42,798
Yes King

594
00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:45,600
ji, you are Shahrukh Khan in that too.  Yes yes, what

595
00:27:42,798 --> 00:27:48,240
if I could just tell the fans

596
00:27:45,599 --> 00:27:50,558
as much as I allow you, if I could tell them something about

597
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:53,200
what kind of expectations the fans should have

598
00:27:50,558 --> 00:27:55,759
because Suhana is also coming, it is a

599
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:58,159
very important film for Shahrukh, so what would I say,

600
00:27:55,759 --> 00:27:59,919
if I could give a little hint because only this

601
00:27:58,159 --> 00:28:00,960
one reel will be cut, yes yes

602
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:05,880
you understood, that is why I said it openly

603
00:28:02,713 --> 00:28:05,879
[laughs]

604
00:28:05,919 --> 00:28:11,840
look friend,

605
00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:13,839
in King it is not only me but

606
00:28:11,839 --> 00:28:14,798
70% of the industry.

607
00:28:13,839 --> 00:28:19,359
Or

608
00:28:14,798 --> 00:28:23,000
is it?  Every name that is very big is there.

609
00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:27,038
Shahrukh,

610
00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:30,000
I will say one thing to everyone.  However, it will be

611
00:28:27,038 --> 00:28:32,558
difficult for Shahrukh.

612
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:35,440
If you are in this industry then make sure you

613
00:28:32,558 --> 00:28:38,480
meet Shahrukh one day.   It's

614
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:41,200
a very fun moment when

615
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:44,000
you talk to them.   He is a

616
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:48,960
very amazing man.  He is a very charismatic

617
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:50,480
man.  Isn't it?  So I would say

618
00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:52,798
that

619
00:28:52,798 --> 00:29:02,158
whatever work I did in King, whenever I did it, it was a

620
00:28:57,599 --> 00:29:04,959
very beautiful memorable moment

621
00:29:02,159 --> 00:29:08,960
for me.   I can

622
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:12,000
understand sir.  Sir, please explain one thing to me, do

623
00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:14,558
Anil Kapoor sir and you

624
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:16,398
both share some diet among yourselves

625
00:29:14,558 --> 00:29:18,240
?

626
00:29:16,398 --> 00:29:19,519
You are asking because his and my

627
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:22,000
body are similar.

628
00:29:19,519 --> 00:29:24,960
No, both of you are reverse aging,

629
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:27,759
sir.  Why do you mean sir, it's

630
00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:31,278
not this one, it's that one, he is very fit.  What are you

631
00:29:27,759 --> 00:29:35,519
talking about my reverse aging brother?  That is Anil Sir.

632
00:29:31,278 --> 00:29:39,558
He has discipline and not

633
00:29:35,519 --> 00:29:39,558
just discipline, they

634
00:29:39,599 --> 00:29:45,519
say he is young at heart, if you want to

635
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:48,079
see that then look at Anil Kapoor.

636
00:29:48,079 --> 00:29:53,359
How long has Anil Kapoor been a star?  As soon as you

637
00:29:51,278 --> 00:29:56,398
go closer and talk to them, you will understand immediately.

638
00:29:53,359 --> 00:29:59,359
He doesn't treat himself like a star.

639
00:29:56,398 --> 00:30:02,398
He treats himself so normally.  It seems like it's

640
00:30:02,398 --> 00:30:07,439
a new comer who has just started.   He

641
00:30:05,119 --> 00:30:10,000
treats himself like that.  And that's why he stays young.

642
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:12,640
Oh,

643
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:14,960
even today that hunger is there in him.

644
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:15,759
We looked amazing in Subedar.

645
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:16,720
Very good.

646
00:30:15,759 --> 00:30:18,960
Very good.   Yes

647
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:20,000
sir, his special fans can expect something from

648
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:21,919
him too.   One

649
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:23,919
can expect a lot, sir.  One

650
00:30:21,919 --> 00:30:27,120
can expect a lot.  You have seen the trailer.   It's

651
00:30:23,919 --> 00:30:30,000
very good.

652
00:30:27,119 --> 00:30:32,479
Suresh Triveni is a wonderful director.  Isn't it?  The film has been

653
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:34,398
shot very well.  I also did the right thing.

654
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:36,159
He did not do anything bad inside.  So

655
00:30:34,398 --> 00:30:39,278
you can expect a lot.   Yes yes yes

656
00:30:36,159 --> 00:30:41,919
sir.  Sir, I would like to talk about the hero

657
00:30:39,278 --> 00:30:44,319
because in it Amrish Puri Sahab ji, I

658
00:30:41,919 --> 00:30:47,200
mean I did not have the good fortune of

659
00:30:44,319 --> 00:30:49,439
meeting him.  Sir, if you can explain to today's generation

660
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:51,600
because we hear many stories about him, if you can

661
00:30:51,599 --> 00:30:55,678
tell about him as an artist

662
00:30:53,359 --> 00:30:57,439
because whatever kind of character he wants, I am

663
00:30:55,679 --> 00:30:59,360
not talking only about the villain.  The kind of

664
00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:01,919
characters he used to play.  Sir, if you could tell me about the kind of impression he

665
00:30:59,359 --> 00:31:02,798
left, then

666
00:31:02,798 --> 00:31:10,319
I met Amrish Puri sahab only

667
00:31:06,398 --> 00:31:14,719
in one or two films.  Isn't it?  He was a very

668
00:31:10,319 --> 00:31:18,480
big star at that time and

669
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:26,480
he remained a big star as long as he lived.

670
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:29,519
What you hear about him is that brother, it is

671
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:32,159
not like that he

672
00:31:29,519 --> 00:31:34,960
started his career at a very old age

673
00:31:32,159 --> 00:31:37,039
and reached that level of success.

674
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:39,360
If you look at his work, he was

675
00:31:37,038 --> 00:31:41,359
dominant in commercial films.  But

676
00:31:39,359 --> 00:31:43,278
you see him in Govindlani's films.

677
00:31:41,359 --> 00:31:46,398
You see him in Shyam Benigal's films.  The

678
00:31:43,278 --> 00:31:50,398
range of that man was

679
00:31:46,398 --> 00:31:53,439
amazing.  He was a very simple man.   Isn't it

680
00:31:50,398 --> 00:31:57,038
?  He was a big star but a very

681
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:57,038
simple man.   I don't

682
00:32:02,558 --> 00:32:07,599
mean much to him, I didn't meet him enough to

683
00:32:04,558 --> 00:32:12,398
know anything about his craft.

684
00:32:07,599 --> 00:32:15,278
But as a human being, whatever I got to know in one or two

685
00:32:12,398 --> 00:32:20,719
films, I understood a lot of it.

686
00:32:15,278 --> 00:32:20,720
Many things became clear.   Do

687
00:32:23,679 --> 00:32:26,798
you want me to say something about this?

688
00:32:25,119 --> 00:32:28,879
No no sir, I just wanted to know

689
00:32:26,798 --> 00:32:31,759
that if you tell me something related to the hero

690
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:33,679
then just

691
00:32:31,759 --> 00:32:37,038
look at that, I will tell you in a very simple way.

692
00:32:33,679 --> 00:32:42,640
And it's not a comment on anything.  A

693
00:32:37,038 --> 00:32:44,798
but as a young actor when you start a new job.

694
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:46,480
Of course you want to be

695
00:32:44,798 --> 00:32:50,079
successful.  You want to be a star.

696
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:52,159
Everybody Wants to Be a Star.  Okay, right?

697
00:32:50,079 --> 00:32:56,158
But you don't understand

698
00:32:52,159 --> 00:32:59,278
how one becomes a star.  Isn't it?  You see the star from a distance.  Let

699
00:32:56,159 --> 00:33:03,120
me just watch from a distance.  If I

700
00:32:59,278 --> 00:33:06,798
see Shahrukh from a distance, I will feel that he is a star

701
00:33:03,119 --> 00:33:08,639
because 15 people walk with him.

702
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:14,240
Two trains run.  Three vehicles travel

703
00:33:10,319 --> 00:33:16,639
with them.  Isn't it?  A bus runs.  So

704
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:18,880
you think this is what a star is.  If you

705
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:22,240
talk to a star, he is not the same person.  Isn't it

706
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:26,840
?  He is a very intelligent person.

707
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:26,839
Correct.

708
00:33:29,759 --> 00:33:38,000
So those were all confusions.  So when I

709
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:39,759
met Amrish ji for the first time,

710
00:33:39,759 --> 00:33:45,278
I went to his van to have food.

711
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:50,080
Call me and sit.

712
00:33:45,278 --> 00:33:51,440
Yes, I saw that there was a man with him.

713
00:33:50,079 --> 00:33:53,119
OK was

714
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:55,919
his makeup man.  We used to

715
00:33:53,119 --> 00:33:58,558
make the same for them.

716
00:33:55,919 --> 00:33:58,880
He also helped him in serving tea and coffee.

717
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:03,120
We

718
00:33:59,359 --> 00:34:05,359
probably did the driving too.  Oh, so

719
00:34:03,119 --> 00:34:08,000
I kept looking at it like that.  I said sir, you are

720
00:34:05,359 --> 00:34:10,000
such a big star.

721
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:15,599
Where are your rebels?  What does 'kah rebel log' mean

722
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:19,800
?

723
00:34:15,599 --> 00:34:19,800
What will I do by employing 15 people when one person can do the work?

724
00:34:20,398 --> 00:34:28,398
I said this is also correct sir.  So

725
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:30,559
think from the point of view of each young actor who is

726
00:34:28,398 --> 00:34:32,398
building his image that no, no, the

727
00:34:30,559 --> 00:34:34,878
day I will take 15 people with me, that day I will be a

728
00:34:32,398 --> 00:34:38,000
star.  Does he really understand that there is a

729
00:34:34,878 --> 00:34:40,159
star standing in front of you, friend?

730
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:42,639
You can take one or 15.

731
00:34:40,159 --> 00:34:45,039
It doesn't matter.  That is at your

732
00:34:42,639 --> 00:34:48,960
convenience.  What do you want to do?

733
00:34:45,039 --> 00:34:51,440
But that is not the mark of a star.  The star

734
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:54,240
is you.

735
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:56,800
This is like I tell you about Hollywood.

736
00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:57,679
Reeves is there, yes, yes,

737
00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:58,800
everyone,

738
00:34:57,679 --> 00:34:59,519
Reeves is such a big star.

739
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:01,200
Yes, everything goes on as

740
00:34:59,519 --> 00:35:03,440
normal.

741
00:35:01,199 --> 00:35:03,838
Came to India by the way.

742
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:05,679
Ok.

743
00:35:03,838 --> 00:35:07,519
Came to India.  He is fond of playing guitar.   The

744
00:35:07,519 --> 00:35:11,358
program was going on.  The main singer was someone else.

745
00:35:09,679 --> 00:35:14,239
Standing back, he slowly

746
00:35:11,358 --> 00:35:18,880
played the guitar.  He plays the bass guitar.  Played the bass guitar

747
00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:21,279
and left.  Keiano Reeves There

748
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:24,880
was no publicity Keiano Reeves is coming to

749
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:30,400
India.  No it was the singer he was in the

750
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:32,320
band.  He played it back and left.  It is his hobby.  But

751
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:33,920
I want to talk about this open book.

752
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:38,159
What are you bringing for the audience this time sir

753
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:40,400
?  There is something special because we have been

754
00:35:38,159 --> 00:35:42,480
watching you as an actor.  I

755
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:44,559
know you very well as a writer too.

756
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:47,358
What is it like with Saurabh Sir this time in direction?  So if I were to

757
00:35:44,559 --> 00:35:52,719
define the film Jab Khuli Kitaab for you,

758
00:35:47,358 --> 00:35:56,400
it is a family film and a

759
00:35:52,719 --> 00:36:00,639
film on the beauty of relationships.

760
00:35:56,400 --> 00:36:03,680
But it's not just a

761
00:36:00,639 --> 00:36:08,719
hunky dory or a rosy

762
00:36:03,679 --> 00:36:11,519
picture.  This is a very real picture.

763
00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:13,919
The absurdity of life is also present in it.  Isn't it

764
00:36:11,519 --> 00:36:17,679
?   There are a

765
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:20,800
lot of smiles.  There are a lot of

766
00:36:17,679 --> 00:36:24,480
tears too.   It makes me

767
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:27,920
laugh and it also makes me sad.  Isn't it?

768
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:31,920
So, a very heart-warming

769
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:34,960
film, which I

770
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:39,200
must say is very soft, very

771
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:40,880
fragile, this is a film about emotions.

772
00:36:39,199 --> 00:36:43,519
A:

773
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:45,680
I have written and produced the film, so

774
00:36:43,519 --> 00:36:47,519
obviously I like it very much.

775
00:36:45,679 --> 00:36:49,759
But my good luck is that all the people who are

776
00:36:47,519 --> 00:36:53,199
doing interviews right now have

777
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:55,680
seen the film.  And people have really, really said very

778
00:36:53,199 --> 00:36:58,159
beautiful things about it.  It has

779
00:36:55,679 --> 00:37:01,759
great performances by Pankaj Kapoor, Dimple

780
00:36:58,159 --> 00:37:07,598
Kapadia, Apaar Shakti, Sameer

781
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:11,839
Soni, Nauheed Hai Na Mansi, Sunil

782
00:37:07,599 --> 00:37:14,640
Palwal and many more many more.  So Everybody

783
00:37:11,838 --> 00:37:17,759
Is Beautiful.  It's a It's a It's a

784
00:37:14,639 --> 00:37:20,400
beautifully short film.  It's shot in

785
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:23,760
Ranikhet, right?

786
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:26,000
This film is set in the lap of the Himalayas.  Visually

787
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:30,240
very beautiful film.  Very beautiful

788
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:32,559
music composed by Rita Jaya and

789
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:35,439
produced by Music Production,

790
00:37:32,559 --> 00:37:39,838
its entire arrangement and everything has been done.  The

791
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:43,838
original score is done by

792
00:37:39,838 --> 00:37:46,078
Prati Jyoti Ghosh.  A so everything is going for.

793
00:37:43,838 --> 00:37:48,799
Sir, please tell me, given the current

794
00:37:46,079 --> 00:37:51,519
times, as a writer, how did you

795
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:54,240
feel that an open book will be able to reach the

796
00:37:51,519 --> 00:37:56,400
hearts of the audience through a message

797
00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:59,519
?  One, if we talk about its presentation,

798
00:37:56,400 --> 00:38:02,079
I think we are talking about the end results,

799
00:37:59,519 --> 00:38:04,559
how will it reach the hearts of the audience

800
00:38:02,079 --> 00:38:06,960
or what is the current era like?  I think at

801
00:38:04,559 --> 00:38:10,719
least I don't do such things.

802
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:12,800
I don't carry the end result.  You do

803
00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:14,159
n't make a film to give any message.

804
00:38:14,159 --> 00:38:18,799
Or

805
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:24,800
you don't worry about how to reach the hearts of the audience.  You are

806
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:26,959
compelled by an idea.  It keeps coming to your mind again and again

807
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:28,560
that this is good and that keeps

808
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:30,480
growing on its own.

809
00:38:28,559 --> 00:38:33,838
Where did this seed come from?  Sir, please

810
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:36,559
tell me this again.  This in between means that is the story you keep searching for.

811
00:38:33,838 --> 00:38:39,039
Thousands of stories and

812
00:38:36,559 --> 00:38:42,239
ideas keep coming to you every day.  50

813
00:38:39,039 --> 00:38:46,239
Ideas keep happening here and there, sometimes in real life, sometimes

814
00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:47,838
on paper, sometimes somewhere else.  So, just like that,

815
00:38:47,838 --> 00:38:54,960
one idea gets stuck.  It

816
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:57,280
then starts developing on its own.  Then

817
00:38:54,960 --> 00:39:00,320
gradually you start feeling that no

818
00:38:57,280 --> 00:39:02,240
friend, this is good and dramatic.  Well, there

819
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:05,359
are a lot of possibilities in this.  You start

820
00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:06,959
feeling like this and then it comes back

821
00:39:05,358 --> 00:39:09,519
and then you start feeling that no friend, I should

822
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:12,320
write something on this.  Isn't it?  That idea

823
00:39:09,519 --> 00:39:15,440
itself forces you to do it.  So

824
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:19,519
this is the basic process and when you

825
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:21,679
start writing it, then you

826
00:39:19,519 --> 00:39:23,039
actually do not know what you want to say.

827
00:39:23,039 --> 00:39:25,759
You liked an idea.

828
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:26,880
You started.

829
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:30,560
You started.   Yes.

830
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:32,160
And then while saying this to you, suddenly you understand

831
00:39:30,559 --> 00:39:34,159
that okay friend, I can

832
00:39:32,159 --> 00:39:37,440
say something on this also.  I can say something on this matter also.  While

833
00:39:34,159 --> 00:39:39,199
saying this, slowly its soul

834
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:42,320
comes into your hands.

835
00:39:39,199 --> 00:39:45,118
And then in totality by the time you finish the

836
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:46,880
film you approximately know what you are

837
00:39:45,119 --> 00:39:49,920
trying to say.

838
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:51,760
And then the audience receives it.  And

839
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:53,920
perspective also comes from them.

840
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:56,560
How did he feel?

841
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:58,960
Not only did you like or dislike it, but what did you feel about

842
00:39:56,559 --> 00:40:00,719
what you wanted to say and

843
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:02,320
how people received it,

844
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:04,480
this is a complete process.

845
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:06,559
Yes Sir, tell me, when

846
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:08,480
you were at the writing stage, was the casting coming to your mind at that time

847
00:40:06,559 --> 00:40:12,078
or did it come to

848
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:16,400
your mind after the completion of writing, whether intentionally or unintentionally.  Isn't it

849
00:40:12,079 --> 00:40:20,880
?  Which

850
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:25,440
also becomes your wish list.  It rarely happens

851
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:27,920
that you get what is on your wish list

852
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:31,039
because it is not necessary that the person who has come to your mind will

853
00:40:31,039 --> 00:40:38,719
like this story.  This is not necessary.  Isn't it?  But I will say that

854
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:42,640
it was a beautiful coincidence

855
00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:45,439
in this film that

856
00:40:42,639 --> 00:40:47,199
all the people I thought about are

857
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:50,720
in the film today.

858
00:40:47,199 --> 00:40:52,960
Oh Sir, when you left, I would like to talk about Pankaj Sir, he is

859
00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:55,598
very selective.  I mean,

860
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:57,760
tell me with them, when

861
00:40:55,599 --> 00:40:59,920
you told them the story, what about them, if the

862
00:40:57,760 --> 00:41:02,079
audience would definitely like to know what kind of

863
00:40:59,920 --> 00:41:03,680
choice of roles they have.  What kind of

864
00:41:02,079 --> 00:41:05,839
things live there.  So as a director, when you

865
00:41:03,679 --> 00:41:07,838
went to him with your story, then actually only

866
00:41:05,838 --> 00:41:10,239
Pankaj ji can answer this question

867
00:41:07,838 --> 00:41:15,039
best.  But I can tell you

868
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:18,399
that Pankaj ji or any other actor at least I can say that this

869
00:41:15,039 --> 00:41:21,358
much actors have

870
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:24,160
only one choice.  This is

871
00:41:21,358 --> 00:41:28,239
a script through which they can identify

872
00:41:24,159 --> 00:41:31,199
whatever they want to do and whatever they like very much.

873
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:33,838
Ok?  Let me tell you about Pankaj ji.

874
00:41:31,199 --> 00:41:37,439
I did not have to tell the story to Pankaj ji.

875
00:41:33,838 --> 00:41:39,920
I went to meet him and

876
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:42,800
met him for the first time in my life.  Although I

877
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:44,480
knew him long ago.  Meaning, I

878
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:47,280
knew about him but we basically never met.

879
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:49,280
As a matter of fact,

880
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:52,720
I had never met Dimple Ma'am either.

881
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:54,640
A I went to meet

882
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:57,439
Pankaj ji at his place.  Pankaj ji

883
00:41:54,639 --> 00:41:59,519
said that brother, I like to study.  Do

884
00:41:57,440 --> 00:42:00,960
n't tell me a story.  I will read it and then

885
00:41:59,519 --> 00:42:02,960
tell you.  Okay,

886
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:04,079
and

887
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:07,199
you left the fourth day script?

888
00:42:04,079 --> 00:42:10,318
I had left the script of course.  So on the

889
00:42:07,199 --> 00:42:11,919
fourth day he called and he said I am doing the picture.

890
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:16,720
Ok.  If this is all that happens then it means I will

891
00:42:15,119 --> 00:42:18,318
not be able to tell you anything.  What did they

892
00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:22,879
read, what did they feel?   Isn't it

893
00:42:18,318 --> 00:42:25,679
?  That and the other thing about Dimple Ma'am was that

894
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:27,838
she was definitely on my mind.  But I was

895
00:42:25,679 --> 00:42:30,399
keeping that idea away.  Because

896
00:42:27,838 --> 00:42:33,279
Dimple ma'am is such a big

897
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:35,039
actress, such a big star.

898
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:36,560
He did so much work in commercial films

899
00:42:35,039 --> 00:42:39,440
and not only in commercial films

900
00:42:36,559 --> 00:42:41,119
but he also did

901
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:43,280
very good work in parallel cinema.  Rudaali was one of his

902
00:42:41,119 --> 00:42:44,880
films which became very famous at one time.

903
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:52,400
When this discussion was going on, one of Nolan's

904
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:55,358
films, Christopher Nolan, had done

905
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:57,519
this.  So I thought that it is fine, it is

906
00:42:55,358 --> 00:43:01,279
in my mind, so what,

907
00:42:57,519 --> 00:43:03,599
but why should I dream of something that will never be

908
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:07,760
fulfilled and this was my mistake, this was

909
00:43:03,599 --> 00:43:11,519
my own inhibition, so Sameer Nair

910
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:15,440
and my partner Narendra

911
00:43:11,519 --> 00:43:19,199
told me that no, I must send the script, so I

912
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:21,519
sent the script and after

913
00:43:19,199 --> 00:43:25,199
sending the script, I sent it today, yesterday

914
00:43:21,519 --> 00:43:28,159
and the day before yesterday, that is, after three days I got a call.

915
00:43:25,199 --> 00:43:31,358
I did not have Dimple ji's number.  When I

916
00:43:28,159 --> 00:43:35,039
picked up the phone, I heard her beautiful, powerful voice.

917
00:43:31,358 --> 00:43:36,880
She said, Saurabh ji, I am Dimple

918
00:43:35,039 --> 00:43:39,519
Kabadiya speaking.  I

919
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:42,318
read your script.  I am doing this film

920
00:43:39,519 --> 00:43:43,358
and no one else will do this role except me.

921
00:43:42,318 --> 00:43:45,519
Oh,

922
00:43:43,358 --> 00:43:46,639
I mean

923
00:43:45,519 --> 00:43:49,440
we

924
00:43:46,639 --> 00:43:50,159
mean you, what more can a human being ask for.

925
00:43:50,159 --> 00:43:57,279
Same thing happened with Apaar also.  Apaar was also

926
00:43:54,318 --> 00:43:59,759
in my mind.  I used to think that

927
00:43:57,280 --> 00:44:02,640
if the character of Negi is an

928
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:04,079
actor like Apaar, then I did not think of Apaar

929
00:44:02,639 --> 00:44:06,078
because of this, I thought of it

930
00:44:04,079 --> 00:44:09,200
because Apaar had started doing well.  He was getting

931
00:44:06,079 --> 00:44:11,039
roles for them.  Whatever it may be,

932
00:44:09,199 --> 00:44:13,679
Apaar's role is very important.

933
00:44:11,039 --> 00:44:15,599
Negi has a very good role in this.

934
00:44:13,679 --> 00:44:19,118
But the

935
00:44:15,599 --> 00:44:21,838
story is about these two characters.

936
00:44:19,119 --> 00:44:23,838
Pankaj ji and Dimple.  So I thought

937
00:44:21,838 --> 00:44:27,838
that when I tell this to Apaar, he might

938
00:44:23,838 --> 00:44:31,519
say that Saurabh ji, please

939
00:44:27,838 --> 00:44:34,480
give me a script in which the story is about me.   That's what

940
00:44:31,519 --> 00:44:36,159
I thought.  But I

941
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:37,760
only told Apar the idea and his character

942
00:44:36,159 --> 00:44:40,559
and he stood up, shook hands

943
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:43,920
and said sorry sir, I am in.

944
00:44:40,559 --> 00:44:46,159
So it was really a wonderful time and

945
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:48,639
although I don't believe much in luck

946
00:44:46,159 --> 00:44:50,399
and stars etc.

947
00:44:48,639 --> 00:44:52,879
But I think my stars were

948
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:57,200
aligned and I was lucky that everything happened the way it did.

949
00:44:52,880 --> 00:45:02,480
Right from applause, who

950
00:44:57,199 --> 00:45:07,598
believed in this film so much,

951
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:09,760
my partner Narendra and Mahesh, everyone worked shoulder to shoulder

952
00:45:07,599 --> 00:45:13,519
and they believed in the

953
00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:17,200
story and

954
00:45:13,519 --> 00:45:19,679
keeping the story as the main thing, everyone moved on.

955
00:45:17,199 --> 00:45:23,358
And it is really a beautiful experience

956
00:45:19,679 --> 00:45:25,838
Sir, I have also seen the film and the way

957
00:45:23,358 --> 00:45:28,639
you have woven the fabric of relationships

958
00:45:25,838 --> 00:45:30,400
from the beginning till the end, the way the

959
00:45:28,639 --> 00:45:32,239
complex things are

960
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:35,200
seen and the emotions that are expressed in it,

961
00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:35,838
believe me Sir, it is amazing.  Sir, please

962
00:45:35,838 --> 00:45:39,440
tell me one thing, I am completely surprised by you now.

963
00:45:37,679 --> 00:45:40,960
You have been

964
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:43,039
interviewing me for so long.  At least this much

965
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:44,960
praise should be given in the beginning so that

966
00:45:43,039 --> 00:45:45,759
I too get some courage.

967
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:48,720
[Laughter]

968
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:51,280
No sir, it's really amazing.  Sir,

969
00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:53,759
tell me one thing, was there a

970
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:55,680
plan to release it in theatres for theatrical or were

971
00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:58,079
you planning for OTT from the beginning, as a

972
00:45:55,679 --> 00:46:00,480
filmmaker, if you ask about

973
00:45:58,079 --> 00:46:02,400
any film, there is

974
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:04,400
always a little attraction of a big screen.

975
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:08,720
Every filmmaker wants his film to

976
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:14,400
go to theatres.  But understand one thing,

977
00:46:08,719 --> 00:46:16,959
going to the theatre is not the ultimate goal of

978
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:19,838
the filmmaker.   The

979
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:22,800
goal of the filmmaker is to

980
00:46:19,838 --> 00:46:27,519
reach an audience that can relish it.

981
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:32,000
Ok?  The times we are

982
00:46:27,519 --> 00:46:36,400
going through are very good times.  Isn't it?  A.

983
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:38,880
Look, theatre in itself has

984
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:41,680
always been

985
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:42,318
a tough business.

986
00:46:41,679 --> 00:46:48,159
Yes, it

987
00:46:42,318 --> 00:46:51,358
is absolutely true, it requires a lot of money.  A

988
00:46:48,159 --> 00:46:51,679
lot of planning is required.

989
00:46:51,358 --> 00:46:54,318
Yes,

990
00:46:51,679 --> 00:46:56,480
and there is no guarantee whether people will

991
00:46:54,318 --> 00:46:58,480
come to the theatre to watch your film or not.  He

992
00:46:56,480 --> 00:46:59,440
may even come.  It is possible that he may not

993
00:46:58,480 --> 00:46:59,679
even come.

994
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:02,480
Yes, right

995
00:46:59,679 --> 00:47:06,399
?  So when all these things happen then a little bit of

996
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:09,119
that remains, so it is a struggle

997
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:11,519
which is absolutely correct, it has always been there

998
00:47:09,119 --> 00:47:13,838
and the films have also been successful, yes, it is a

999
00:47:13,838 --> 00:47:21,679
very good time when another

1000
00:47:19,199 --> 00:47:22,799
format has come to us which is OTT,

1001
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:33,359
OTT is amazing that what

1002
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:37,679
should be said in it that the

1003
00:47:33,358 --> 00:47:40,719
ethics of the film are intact.

1004
00:47:37,679 --> 00:47:43,118
Cinematic language is used.  It's not

1005
00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:44,000
like television.  Television has

1006
00:47:43,119 --> 00:47:44,880
created its own unique format.

1007
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:48,318
That is completely different.   Isn't it

1008
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:51,920
?  That is completely different.  So whatever cinema

1009
00:47:48,318 --> 00:47:56,480
desires, it fulfils all those things.

1010
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:58,960
And it is a lot it takes your work to

1011
00:47:56,480 --> 00:48:01,199
a much wider audience.  So, like

1012
00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:06,480
this film is releasing on Zee5, Zee5 has a

1013
00:48:01,199 --> 00:48:10,000
huge audience base in Hindi and that

1014
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:12,960
audience is a home grown audience, so that is a

1015
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:16,400
lot of people to whom you

1016
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:18,880
want to reach.  Look, you should understand that

1017
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:23,200
it is easy that the film was

1018
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:25,039
released in Mumbai and Delhi.  But it is not necessary

1019
00:48:23,199 --> 00:48:27,118
that it will happen in Jabalpur or not.   Isn't it

1020
00:48:27,119 --> 00:48:28,160
?

1021
00:48:27,679 --> 00:48:31,598
Correct.

1022
00:48:28,159 --> 00:48:34,960
Or will it happen in Tughlakabad or not?

1023
00:48:31,599 --> 00:48:37,599
Even if it happens, I don't know if it will be shown in some

1024
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:40,318
other small town, a very small town where there are two

1025
00:48:37,599 --> 00:48:44,318
theatres, so I don't know whether it will be shown there or

1026
00:48:40,318 --> 00:48:48,639
not.  But the base of OTT is such that

1027
00:48:44,318 --> 00:48:51,838
it reaches everywhere.  So, you get to

1028
00:48:48,639 --> 00:48:54,000
reach a bigger audience and which is I think what

1029
00:48:51,838 --> 00:48:54,480
every filmmaker wants at the

1030
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:56,559
end of it.

1031
00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:58,800
Right, right.  Definitely, sir.  I just

1032
00:48:56,559 --> 00:49:01,599
want to understand that the way money is spent

1033
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:04,318
and the way the entire source of income is

1034
00:49:01,599 --> 00:49:06,240
in the industry, on that basis OTT has become so

1035
00:49:04,318 --> 00:49:09,358
strong that if a maker

1036
00:49:06,239 --> 00:49:11,519
makes films of his choice and

1037
00:49:09,358 --> 00:49:11,920
earns a decent amount from it, if you can tell.

1038
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:19,358
Look, I am telling you about this, I am the wrong person because I do

1039
00:49:19,358 --> 00:49:25,440
not understand the business of theatre,

1040
00:49:22,159 --> 00:49:27,039
how does theatrical business happen?  Is there a ratio of

1041
00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:29,119
100 crores, 200 crores in that, no no,

1042
00:49:27,039 --> 00:49:31,119
that happens, of course, it happens only when the money

1043
00:49:29,119 --> 00:49:32,880
comes, but what is its

1044
00:49:31,119 --> 00:49:35,760
distribution, how do you

1045
00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:40,079
expect it, how do you generate that, I am

1046
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:42,960
not a business person, I am a film business person, I am

1047
00:49:40,079 --> 00:49:45,839
on the creative side and I can

1048
00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:49,760
tell only what I know.  Similarly, how does

1049
00:49:45,838 --> 00:49:53,358
OTT work?  I don't know but I know that they have been

1050
00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:55,760
creating original work, when you say so,

1051
00:49:53,358 --> 00:49:57,679
what happens is that

1052
00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:59,599
brother, you make a film, release it in theatres

1053
00:49:57,679 --> 00:50:02,078
and it is later shown on OTT,

1054
00:49:59,599 --> 00:50:03,920
but at the same time, in every OTT, you will

1055
00:50:02,079 --> 00:50:07,599
see that there is a direct to OTT which is called

1056
00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:11,519
the original OTT original, so of

1057
00:50:07,599 --> 00:50:14,000
course they must have some business model

1058
00:50:11,519 --> 00:50:16,639
which is very successful, only then they give so much money

1059
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:18,800
and not to one but to many people, they

1060
00:50:16,639 --> 00:50:23,199
make big films.  Those people make all kinds of films.  So I

1061
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:25,440
really don't know how it

1062
00:50:23,199 --> 00:50:29,679
works.  That for that I am sure that

1063
00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:31,838
you should interview some OTT officials.   Right right.

1064
00:50:29,679 --> 00:50:34,399
Sir I just wanted to understand

1065
00:50:31,838 --> 00:50:36,000
because one the way you are coming up with stories

1066
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:38,720
, the way you are doing things.

1067
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:41,119
So everyone has the same desire to go to the theatre.

1068
00:50:38,719 --> 00:50:43,199
You explained very well what mathematics is

1069
00:50:41,119 --> 00:50:45,039
and how things work.  It was on that basis that

1070
00:50:43,199 --> 00:50:48,239
I asked you the question.  Hum

1071
00:50:45,039 --> 00:50:50,000
a Sir Anything Else Sir

1072
00:50:48,239 --> 00:50:52,078
if you want to say something about this film because then I would like to

1073
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:54,318
move forward with you Sir

1074
00:50:52,079 --> 00:50:58,079
yes, I mean I would like to say this about this film

1075
00:50:54,318 --> 00:50:58,480
that it is a very beautiful film,

1076
00:50:58,079 --> 00:51:00,640
yes only if

1077
00:51:00,639 --> 00:51:05,199
you watch the trailer you will understand

1078
00:51:03,119 --> 00:51:07,280
how beautiful this world is.   It has been

1079
00:51:05,199 --> 00:51:10,879
shot at a very beautiful place.  The songs are

1080
00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:13,280
very good.  You will listen to him.  As per

1081
00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:16,400
your request, I am telling this to the audience

1082
00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:20,319
that they have said, suppose

1083
00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:22,400
complex cities and the world

1084
00:51:20,318 --> 00:51:25,440
which is the entire fabric of this film is

1085
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:27,599
beautiful, we enjoyed it a lot, we had a

1086
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:30,079
great joy making this film and I want to

1087
00:51:27,599 --> 00:51:30,800
share that joy

1088
00:51:30,079 --> 00:51:33,519
with the audience

1089
00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:35,920
and believe me, you must not have seen such a web of relationships and the

1090
00:51:33,519 --> 00:51:36,480
kind of emotions before,

1091
00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:39,280
what a thing

1092
00:51:37,199 --> 00:51:42,239
sir, some rapid fire and a few, let's do it

1093
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:45,200
quickly sir, a Jolly LLB, Akshay

1094
00:51:42,239 --> 00:51:49,118
Kumar or Arshad Warsi, who is Lata,

1095
00:51:45,199 --> 00:51:49,598
okay brother listen, I will give you the truth,

1096
00:51:49,599 --> 00:51:55,359
absolutely sir, give it to me immediately, this

1097
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:56,800
war that you people are creating, I am

1098
00:51:55,358 --> 00:51:59,838
not the only one responsible,

1099
00:51:56,800 --> 00:52:03,359
yes no, in this war that you people are creating, you

1100
00:51:59,838 --> 00:52:07,199
ask who is Arshad Warsi or

1101
00:52:03,358 --> 00:52:11,440
Akshay Kumar, both are artists in art,

1102
00:52:07,199 --> 00:52:14,078
friend, know one thing, and I have also

1103
00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:17,679
heard someone saying this, then my belief has become

1104
00:52:14,079 --> 00:52:20,800
completely firm in this thing, in art there

1105
00:52:17,679 --> 00:52:22,639
is no better, best

1106
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:25,839
and worse, everybody

1107
00:52:22,639 --> 00:52:28,879
is different,

1108
00:52:25,838 --> 00:52:31,838
if you understand this, then what you say is

1109
00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:34,079
yours  Who is the best actor in Nazar?

1110
00:52:31,838 --> 00:52:37,039
Hey, what does best actor mean, friend?   An

1111
00:52:34,079 --> 00:52:39,519
actor is an actor.  One actor is different

1112
00:52:37,039 --> 00:52:42,159
from the other actor.

1113
00:52:39,519 --> 00:52:43,440
This or this?  Hey brother, why are you putting a noose around my neck

1114
00:52:42,159 --> 00:52:47,039
?

1115
00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:48,800
Ok sir let's move ahead.  Theatre or movie.   I have only

1116
00:52:47,039 --> 00:52:50,480
one life, my friend.

1117
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:53,680
Yes.  Embrace whatever you find.   Do

1118
00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:55,199
n't grab whatever you find.  I will do whatever I want.   If

1119
00:52:55,199 --> 00:53:00,318
you want to embrace, then embrace.  [laughs]

1120
00:52:58,159 --> 00:53:02,639
Which artist did you see being the most prepared on set

1121
00:53:00,318 --> 00:53:04,719
?  If I have to name one,

1122
00:53:02,639 --> 00:53:07,598
you might have noticed that he used to

1123
00:53:04,719 --> 00:53:10,639
come most prepared.

1124
00:53:07,599 --> 00:53:12,880
Brother, if I had been watching all this then

1125
00:53:10,639 --> 00:53:14,558
how would I have acted or done art myself

1126
00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:16,640
because then I would have kept paying attention to these things

1127
00:53:14,559 --> 00:53:18,480
that who has

1128
00:53:16,639 --> 00:53:20,159
come prepared?  Who didn't come prepared?  Then

1129
00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:21,440
I will do those things, right?  Then I will not do any work.

1130
00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:24,400
OK sir.  Mumbai vs Delhi food.  Where

1131
00:53:24,079 --> 00:53:25,680
?

1132
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:27,519
Mumbai vs Delhi food.

1133
00:53:25,679 --> 00:53:29,598
Yes, your favorite.

1134
00:53:27,519 --> 00:53:32,000
My favorite.  We are from

1135
00:53:29,599 --> 00:53:32,800
Mumbai for Vada Pav, Delhi for Chole Bhature.

1136
00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:36,880
OK sir.  Beer or whiskey?

1137
00:53:35,760 --> 00:53:37,280
Beer or whiskey?

1138
00:53:36,880 --> 00:53:39,358
Yes.   Nothing.

1139
00:53:39,358 --> 00:53:44,318
The saint is a man.   Since

1140
00:53:41,679 --> 00:53:47,519
when have you adopted this practice of Sir Sadhat?

1141
00:53:44,318 --> 00:53:49,199
Always the old monk.

1142
00:53:47,519 --> 00:53:51,599
OK sir.  Thank you so much sir.

1143
00:53:49,199 --> 00:53:52,000
Look at the picture again.

1144
00:53:51,599 --> 00:53:54,559
Sure.

1145
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:55,599
Watch with the whole family.

1146
00:53:54,559 --> 00:53:56,400
Show it to the producer also.

1147
00:53:55,599 --> 00:53:59,359
Thank you so much.

1148
00:53:56,400 --> 00:53:59,358
Ok.