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My supervising producer, Kara Jensen-McKinnon,

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has coined a phrase that I think I'm going to start using.

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The phrase is "Jungle Times."

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As in, "We now live in the Jungle Times."

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You know the ones.

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>> Soldiers boarding container ships with rifles drawn.

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>> Streets littered with cars torched in the intense bombardment.

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>> Delta Force commandos seized Venezuela's president.

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>> Russia has unleashed its deadliest attack so far this year on Ukraine.

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>> The sound of several gunshots sent the president ducking that way

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as a swarm of officers surrounded. >> This show is generally

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about looking at historical moments that either lead to current events

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or help us better understand current events.

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We find historical precedents. And taken individually,

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all the things happening right now do have a precedent. From oil shocks

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to wars in the Middle East.

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We have been talking about these precedents for weeks.

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>> In the 80s in Sydney, the petrol rationing was done by state governments.

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>> We all know from Iraq, from Afghanistan, a war that's one month,

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that becomes six months, that becomes six years, that becomes a decade.

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>> But I think that, in one very important way, what we're watching now is different.

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And it's because all of these things are happening at once,

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and every day things just seem to get more and more chaotic.

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>> We have a plan where every bridge in Iran

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will be decimated, where every power plant in Iran

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will be out of business. I mean, complete demolition.

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>> We're watching the world change in a way that will be with us for a long time.

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I think the best example of what I mean by this is found

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not in Iran, Israel, the US or Lebanon, but in Qatar.

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>> Qatar, where the world's biggest gas plant is. >> Qatar has spent the last 50 years

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meticulously planning, scheming and plotting to make itself

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immune to global instability, to make sure that something like this:

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>> Iran targeted Qatari gas infrastructure in retaliation

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to a strike on its major gas field. >> Can never happen.

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And yet it has. Why?

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Well, because unfortunately for Qatar, we're no longer in the stable times.

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We're in the Jungle Times.

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And meticulous planning doesn't count for anything in the jungle. Today,

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the story of the elaborate, decades-long, trillion-dollar scheme that Qatar hoped

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would protect them, and what its failure tells us about what we are about to face.

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I'm Matt Bevan,

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and this is If You're Listening.

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Welcome to the Jungle Times.

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I love old atlases.

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If you've got one you're trying to unload, send it to me.

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I'll take it.

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This one I've got here is from 1961.

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And it's not only full of extremely dated maps, but it's got fascinating

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statistical information about every country in the world.

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For example, in 1961, there were significantly more cars

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in Australia alone than there were in all of Asia combined.

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That's a fun fact.

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I went looking through the atlas

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for fun facts about Qatar, and there is none.

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Qatar is drawn on a map of the Middle East.

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But apart from its roughly sketched border,

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the fun facts are very much lacking.

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Apparently Encyclopaedia Britannica knew

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nothing about it, not even its population.

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And that's because:

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>> The sheikhdom of Qatar is geographically prominent

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but otherwise one of the least-known of the Arab Gulf states.

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It was essentially famous for not being famous.

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>> Perhaps more than any Gulf state, Qatar's history is shrouded in obscurity.

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>> And look, to a certain extent, that is understandable.

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Qatar is a barren, flat, horrifically hot,

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windswept peninsula on the edge of Saudi Arabia.

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It had very little connection with the outside world.

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In fact, in one of the country's museums, it's noted that it wasn't until the 1960s

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that football was first introduced to the country.

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If Britannica had checked, they'd have found that Qatar's

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population in 1961 was just 36,000.

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And yet it had its own royal family.

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>> There's no question that Sheikh

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Khalifa and his family rule the emirate in every respect.

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>> Now, usually, royal families are ripe for scandal and intrigue,

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but the royal family of Qatar, the Al Thanis, are almost bizarrely boring,

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apart from the fact that they have a fondness

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for conducting coups while the emir, the leader of the country, is on holiday.

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>> Sheikh Khalifa bin Hamad Al Thani,

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who's just celebrated ten years as ruler

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after deposing his cousin in a bloodless royal coup.

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>> The former emir made the grave mistake of going on holiday to Iran,

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and while he was away, his cousin Khalifa changed the locks and bingo

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bango, he became the new emir.

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Now, why pull a sneaky coup

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to take charge of a barren peninsula populated by fishermen?

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Well, they'd found something under their feet.

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>> Its oil reserves are not large by the standards of its bigger neighbours,

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but it has got gas to exploit for the next 500 years.

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>> So, 500 years worth of gas and a very tiny population.

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The Al Thanis used the gas to make their

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population incredibly rich. Today, Qatari nationals are provided

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with a free home for every family, a free car.

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They pay no taxes, no rent,

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no utility charges, no telephone bills.

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Education for Qatari nationals is free, whether it's at home

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or at the most exclusive and expensive college abroad.

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Healthcare is unlimited.

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Qataris can fly to any specialist anywhere in the world,

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and the government will pick up the airfares, the doctor's bill

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and the family's luxury hotel bill for as long as they're abroad.

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Now, this sounds like an incredibly sweet deal.

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And if you were one of the 40,000-odd Qataris, it really was.

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Work was pretty much optional.

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>> We encountered an elderly

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and delightful man working as an occasional government car driver,

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although he was a dollar millionaire twice over.

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>> But this decadent lifestyle had a couple of pretty dark clouds hanging over it.

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For one thing, because Qataris didn't really need to work,

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they imported basically their entire labour force.

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Most of the actual work in Qatar was done

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by migrant labourers and indentured servants.

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By the 80s, the labourers outnumbered Qataris three to one, and lived

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as a virtual underclass with almost none of the rights Qatari citizens had.

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>> Menial tasks are reserved almost exclusively for non-Qataris.

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They definitely didn't get free cars and unlimited healthcare —

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not a particularly sweet deal for them.

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>> The other dark cloud hanging over it all was Saudi Arabia.

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>> Big brother is Saudi Arabia,

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with which Qatar shares its only and unmarked land border.

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>> Khalifa and his people lived like kings, but only in the material sense.

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They were reliant on big brother for security, and when push came to shove,

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it was the Saudis who were really calling the shots.

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>> Qatar could have just lived with that reality.

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It's what their fellow emirs in Bahrain and the United Arab Emirates

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decided to do, basically.

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Accept that they were all a big happy family of Sunni Arabs

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and that there was more that united them than divided them.

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Just let the Saudis run the show.

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Don't rock the boat.

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Just sit there quietly and be rich.

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But in 1995, Khalifa did something that no Qatari emir

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should ever do, and went on holiday to Switzerland.

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His son Hamad saw an opportunity to take a leaf out of his dad's book.

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>> Sheikh Hamad bin Khalifa Al Thani seized power

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from his father in a palace coup. >> The thing was, the new emir, Hamad,

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wanted to exercise more autonomy over Qatar's foreign affairs

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than his father had.

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This displeased Qatar's big brother.

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And in case you've forgotten,

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>> big brother is Saudi Arabia. >> The new emir wasn't

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willing to accept Saudi Arabia's role as the regional superpower.

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So Saudi Arabia tried to get rid of him.

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The Saudi counter-coup failed, potentially because Hamad refused to go on holiday,

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but it left him in a tricky position.

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Wedged between a pushy big brother

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to the south and something even scarier to the north.

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>> The only real threat to the development programs of the ruling family

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would appear to be Islamic fundamentalism

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along the lines of the Iran model.

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>> Iran. While Saudi Arabia might see the Qataris

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as a little brother, they were at least from the same family.

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Iran is extremely different in almost every way.

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Different ethnicity, different language,

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different religion — Shia instead of Sunni Islam —

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and a totally different regime. A fundamentalist theocracy

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that had overthrown their monarch in a violent revolution.

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>> They would need to find

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a bigger, scarier friend.

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And so they went to the biggest and scariest friend there is.

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>> It's my honour to welcome

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the Emir of Qatar to the Oval Office.

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>> I'm pretty sure George W. Bush just called him the Emir of Gutter,

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but anyway.

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>> Your Highness, it's such an honour to have you here.

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And I welcome you.

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And I want to thank you for your friendship.

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>> To secure this new friendship, Hamad agreed

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to host an enormous American air base in his country.

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>> It's one of the most state-of-the-art ones that you'll find in the region.

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>> And to say thanks,

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the US moved its regional base of operations to Qatar ahead

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of the invasion of Iraq in 2003.

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>> This is CENTCOM, the US military's central command.

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As a result, Qatar became the epicentre of US military operations in the Middle East.

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>> We're here with permission of the Qataris, and we're doing

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our best to be good guests.

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>> Luring the Americans gave his tiny country a powerful protector against,

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at times, aggressive neighbours. But it wasn't just about demonstrating military strength and bringing in guys with big guns.

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Hamad wanted to show that Qatar was allied to the west in ideological ways as well.

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So he started democratic reforms, then spent millions setting up Al Jazeera.

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>> Welcome to the world news from Al Jazeera,

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and the very first program live from our Doha news

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headquarters here in the heart of the Middle East.

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>> By advocating for a freer press in a region where that's not really a thing,

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Al Jazeera became both a thorn in the side of authoritarian regimes

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and the most important platform for those regimes

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to communicate with the wider world.

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Just about every government in the region has, for a time,

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closed Al Jazeera's bureau.

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Some have withdrawn ambassadors from Qatar in protest.

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But today, even the toughest Arab leaders have to deal

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with Al Jazeera, because it speaks to the people.

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>> So, Qatar has become the region's US military

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base and centre of information.

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But for Hamad, that wasn't enough.

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>> Fly to over 80 destinations onboard one of the world's youngest fleets.

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Qatar Airways.

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World's five-star airline.

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>> He dumped investment into Qatar Airways, hoping to turn the Qatari

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capital, Doha, into a global business travel hub.

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>> Halfway to anywhere with plenty of time to spare.

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At the Qatar Airways premium terminal in Doha —

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>> five-star service for first and business class passengers.

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>> And he spent money trying to get people to actually leave the airport

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and see the country, instead of just flying through.

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>> Hamad basically bought the FIFA World Cup,

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only 50 years after football was first seen in his country.

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Then he spent more money on it than every other World Cup in history

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combined.

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Hosting the World Cup

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wasn't just about football.

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Qatar wanted to be the place where the world gathered,

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where people with nothing in common could come together.

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During the tournament, Iran played against its greatest enemy, the United States.

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>> Whenever these two teams play anywhere, in any competition,

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it brings with it history.

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It brings with it culture, it brings with it politics.

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>> We talked in last week's episode about how important it is to build

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trust and credibility when you're trying to negotiate with your enemies.

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Qatar decided to try and be the place where that trust was brokered.

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>> Senior Taliban leaders are in Qatar for peace talks with US officials.

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>> Qatar welcomed not only the US military to its territory,

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but the Taliban.

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>> We are prepared to engage the Taliban

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through a negotiations office in Doha.

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>> With implicit western backing, Qatar hosted offices of the Taliban,

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financiers of al-Qaeda, the Muslim Brotherhood and rebel factions

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from all over Africa. All of this, just a few kilometres from the regional headquarters

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of US Central Command.

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It is a very small country, after all.

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Not everyone was a fan of this.

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It's a small-world style of politics, and Qatar was publicly criticised

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for trying to bring these groups together,

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particularly by Israel and its supporters.

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>> It is quite strange that the Emir of Qatar

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should take sides with Hamas.

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>> I blame Qatar. That very rich emirate that's been pouring money into the hands of Hamas.

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>> Despite publicly disagreeing with what Qatar was doing, behind the scenes

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the Israeli government under Benjamin Netanyahu was supportive of it.

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>> Netanyahu allowed Qatar to give massive amounts of cash to Hamas in Gaza.

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>> Qatar electronically transfers cash to Israel.

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That cash is then physically carried over the border by UN officials

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and by Israeli officials into Gaza.

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>> It was a

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divide-and-conquer strategy, with Netanyahu hoping

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Hamas would weaken the more moderate Palestinian Authority.

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>> We did everything in order to make sure

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that Hamas will go on controlling Gaza, and the Palestinian

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Authority will control the West Bank, so they will fight each other.

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>> So there's money flowing in all sorts of directions for all sorts of reasons.

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And Qatar wanted to be at the centre of it. Having a diplomatic and financial

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relationship with everybody means nobody will want to attack you.

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Simple.

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Over the last 50 years, Qatar has grown from being

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a strange, barren peninsula with no fun facts

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to being home to the richest citizen population on earth,

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to being the centre of an enormous,

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intricate spiderweb which stretched into the business,

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economic, journalistic, tourism, cultural, energy and political worlds.

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But Hamad — and after his abdication in 2013, his son

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Tamim — didn't do all this for fun, or for ego, or for glory.

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It was a long-term strategy of making Qatar

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a significant player in world affairs.

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If they were at the centre of the web,

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they would be too important to mess with.

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It was a rational strategy formed during

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an era where rational people ran the world.

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Their refusal to just sit there and be rich

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may have made Saudi Arabia grumpy.

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But what was Saudi Arabia going to do about it?

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Qatar had made itself too important.

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The strategy was all working

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very well until around May 2017, when there were hints

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that the era of rational strategy may be coming to an end.

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>> From bagpipes to men on horseback.

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Saudi Arabia turned up the pomp for Donald Trump's first foreign visit.

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>> The new US president, Donald Trump,

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was invited to the Saudi capital, Riyadh, to dance with swords

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and join the Saudi king, Salman, in laying his hands upon a glowing orb.

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>> It was a surprising destination for Trump's first foreign trip as president.

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>> Donald Trump has been welcomed to Saudi Arabia with open arms,

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despite his campaign rhetoric depicting the Saudis as woman-hating

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gay killers and promising a ban on Muslim travel.

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>> Before he left, the Saudis agreed to a massive trade and weapons deal.

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>> Around $147 billion in US arms sales to Saudi Arabia,

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and $270 billion in other trade.

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>> Two weeks after Trump's visit, the Saudi crown prince, Mohammed bin Salman, ordered

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an extraordinary military operation against Qatar. Saudi Arabia, Egypt,

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the United Arab Emirates and Bahrain imposed an aggressive blockade on Qatar.

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Land, air and sea routes in and out of Qatar were blocked.

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>> The four blockade countries alleged Qatar used its wealth to fund extremist

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groups linked to Iran. >> They demanded that Qatar decrease

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its diplomatic and military engagement with Iran and Turkey,

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kick terrorist groups out of the country,

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and shut down its government-funded broadcaster, Al Jazeera.

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>> The US military and State Department were shocked.

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>> The US has 10,000 troops at a critical air base in Qatar.

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American diplomats rushed to stop any fallout.

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>> While the Clinton, Bush and Obama administrations had seen Qatar as an ally,

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this time around, the vibe from the White House was very different.

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>> The US president even took credit for the crackdown on Qatar, tweeting:

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"Perhaps this will be the beginning of the end to the horror of terrorism."

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>> I've heard reports that President Trump didn't even realise that

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the United States had a base within Qatar, which is pretty alarming.

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>> It turns out, hosting a US military headquarters isn't

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a great insurance policy if the US president doesn't know it exists.

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Thankfully, Trump had some people in his cabinet

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who were aware of the significance of Qatar.

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>> We call on the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates, Bahrain

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and Egypt to ease the blockade against Qatar.

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>> A group of Trump cabinet officials,

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informally referred to as the "axis of adults",

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basically ignored his instructions and shored up the relationship with Qatar.

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>> The blockade is also impairing US

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and other international business activities in the region.

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>> The blockade is hindering US

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military actions in the region and the campaign against ISIS.

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>> Eventually, the blockade was eased and officially ended

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in the early months of the Biden administration.

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>> Qatar didn't cave in to any of the Saudi demands.

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They survived the blockade with their strategy intact,

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and their importance as a location for resolving disputes between enemies

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only increased. Following the October 7 attacks by Hamas on Israel,

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Qatar was the only mediator able to get both sides to the table

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for ceasefire and hostage release negotiations.

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>> With officials in Doha insisting talks can continue

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if both Israel and Hamas show a willingness to negotiate in good faith.

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>> In a world ruled by rational people, you need a safe place for those people

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to be able to talk to each other while they sort out key differences —

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somewhere bitter enemies can come and sit at a table

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and try and find common ground, without worrying

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they're going to get poisoned or stabbed in the middle of the night.

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>> Qatar was that place.

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But then Donald Trump returned to the White House, and things started changing.

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>> A brazen attack in Qatar's capital.

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>> Israeli forces

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targeting Hamas's political headquarters in a residential area of Doha.

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>> Decades spent shoring up their position as an important ally of the west

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had failed to protect Qatar from Israeli airstrikes.

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Hamas's political leadership had reportedly gathered in Doha

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to discuss the latest US proposal for a ceasefire in Gaza.

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It wasn't the first time

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that Hamas's leadership had been in Qatar to talk with the Americans and Israelis,

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but Bibi Netanyahu saw an opportunity this time to strike

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without any fear of ramifications.

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>> These are the terrorist chiefs who planned,

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launched and celebrated the massacres of October 7.

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>> The Qatari government called it state terrorism.

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Any other US president would have been furious.

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Donald Trump, though —

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>> Well, I'm not thrilled. I'm not thrilled about it.

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Not jazzed. Not psyched.

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>> There was no condemnation of Israel, no axis of adults

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to give Israel a rap on the knuckles and tell them to stop.

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In fact, when Netanyahu suggested just a few months later that it might be

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a good idea to attack Iran during peace negotiations with the US, Trump joined in.

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>> The Israeli-US joint strikes began in broad daylight,

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hitting multiple Iranian cities, including the capital.

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>> Iran responded with fury, firing missiles at anyone within reach.

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For hours, missiles crisscrossed Middle Eastern skies. Warning

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sirens blared.

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Israelis ran for cover.

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Missiles were also fired towards Qatar.

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>> In Doha, Qatar's military has been intercepting missiles

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aimed at a US air base and the international airport.

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>> Iran targeted Qatari gas infrastructure in retaliation to a strike on its major

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gas field, wiping out 17% of capacity for up to five years.

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>> Decades of planning, investment and diplomacy by the Qataris went up in smoke.

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>> The Qatari government has labelled the strike a flagrant

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breach of international law.

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>> The trouble is, international law doesn't really apply during the Jungle Times.

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Qatar has always

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been incredibly vulnerable geographically,

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so it spent decades building strategic security.

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It played the game better than most.

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But that game is over now.

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Alliances don't matter.

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The people with the power don't think about consequences.

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In the Jungle Times, strength is the only thing that matters.

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And Trump, Netanyahu and Mohammed

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bin Salman in Saudi Arabia have the strength.

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Qatar will survive this crisis.

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They're still rich and they still have the US military on their side,

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but they will not feel nearly as secure.

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Will people continue to choose Qatar as a place for negotiating

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if they're worried about Israeli airstrikes?

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Will people invest and travel there

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if Iran might bomb them at any moment?

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Is the relationship with America secure

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if the US president doesn't even know that Qatar is home to the most important

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American military base in the world's most volatile region?

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Qatar was under the impression it had solved the problem

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of being a small country in a scary neighbourhood.

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It hasn't.

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This is the Jungle Times.

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If you're not big and scary, you need to find a tree to hide in.
