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even know there was such a thing as a

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golden age of Islamic scientific

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>> Well, first of all, you make it fun. You

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make it a fun puzzle quest before you

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even think about the theme itself.

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>> It's a way of trying to have people

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engage with the with the Islamic

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history, in this case, the golden age,

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so that these things don't vanish.

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>> How bad do you think Islamophobia is in

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the United States right now?

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>> Every election cycle gets pretty bad.

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It's quite bad now. I believe that we

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have to do our work not in combating

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narratives but reaffirming our

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identities.

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Get ready for a new adventure where you

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can step back into time to the Muslim

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Middle Ages, collecting ancient

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artifacts, solving enigmatic puzzles,

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all to preserve the scientific legacy of

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the Islamic Golden Age as a fog of

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forgetfulness threatens to erase that

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knowledge forever. That's the premise of

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a new video game called Vanished: Puzzle

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Quest. It's made by Unity Productions

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Foundation, a group whose mission is to

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counter bigotry and create peace through

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media with a focus on increasing

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religious and cultural pluralism,

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especially among Muslims and other

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faiths. Joining me now is UPF assistant

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producer Ariela Gayoto Hull, who

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spearheaded the development of Vanished

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along with UPF co-founder and executive

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producer Alex Cron. Thank you both for

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joining me.

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>> Thank you.

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>> So, congratulations. The game is out,

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but let's just back into it. Ariel, I

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making,

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>> So, how did you end up working on a

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game? Why did you want to work on this

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game? What was your inspiration, your

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>> Well, the biggest thing for us is how do

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we reach more people and the gaming

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industry is actually larger than film

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important for us to get into this

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industry and reach more people that way

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in an interactive way to tell the story.

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cultural pluralism. How does a game like

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Vanished help you achieve that goal?

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that, uh, we typically are making films

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never watch a documentary. So, how do

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was the idea of doing a game. Um Ariela

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school system because we I mentioned in

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the introduction a lot of this is about

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Islamic history Islamic golden age um

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and we covered the movie recently time

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hoppers which covered this you know

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euroentric focuses on the advancements

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>> Well, first of all, you make it fun.

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interactiveness of it. You make it a fun

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puzzle quest before you even think about

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priorities for us was to make sure the g

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game stood on its own. But really what

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public awareness and that historic

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memory to get people to think about who

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inventions that made us the society we

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>> And if I could just add to that, the the

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and you kind of piggy on what you asked

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me earlier, the thing about the game is

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you're using objects that help you win.

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with them rather than sort of passively

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to absorb something. This way

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understanding these objects and using

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the objects gives you a positive

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experience of progressing through the

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and and almost that on Google Play. So,

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so far so good.

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>> So, let's talk big picture in terms of

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what you're trying to achieve here. And

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just for the sake of our audience, you

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are a white American man. You are, I

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believe, Brazilian.

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>> Correct.

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So, you're both Muslims. So, let me ask

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you this question. How you both live in

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>> How bad do you think Islamophobia is in

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the United States right now with members

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of Congress, Republican members, saying

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they'd pick a dog over a Muslim, saying

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Islam is evil and unamerican, others

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saying that Zoran Mandani as mayor means

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the enemies are within the gate.

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>> How bad do you think it is right now?

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right? And so, particularly with

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everything that's going on in the world,

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it's it's quite bad now. But we've been

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doing our work since before 9/11. So

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we've gone through a lot of n you know

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from 911 in terms of

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leadership after 9/11 was more um

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positive and and wanted to make sure

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there wasn't a backlash.

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>> People forget that George W. Bush

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despite all his war crimes went to a

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mosque and said Islam is peace.

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you know we have particularly again in

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election cycles you have people you know

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trying to best themselves what's the

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worst thing they can say about Muslims

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and you know how can they seem you know

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people raising uh votes or trying to

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raise money and votes off of fear. So

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different than than what we experienced

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cultural shift that's happening. And I

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think it's happening honestly with work

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that you're doing, work that we've been

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doing these things that are beginning to

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shift the perception of who Muslims are

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and what Islam is. So that when you do

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have these voices that say this, they

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start to land more and more on deaf

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ears. They don't have the same impact

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that they used to. So yes, we're hearing

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those voices again. Uh but I do feel

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like the the the cultural reaction to

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them is is more muted than it has been

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slashpositive as Alex Ariel?

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>> I believe that we have to do our work

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not in combating narratives but

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reaffirming our identities and that to

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me is at the core of the work that we

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do. We are not responding to things. We

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>> Exactly. Exactly. That's what I think

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matters to me the most. So, Alex, on

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that note, one of the enemies of this

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game, you could say, is the lack of

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awareness, the lack of corrective memory

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threatens to wipe out our knowledge of

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the past. And that's not just a Muslim

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thing. That's across the board in the

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about the current geopolitical situation

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cultural sites, major Islamic historical

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artifacts are being destroyed by our

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metaphor for the game is that is that

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these things are being lost. These

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things are being destroyed. There's a

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villain in the in the game who is

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causing these things to vanish, hence

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the name of the game. And you, the

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player, are combating that. And again,

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so that these things don't vanish, so

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these memories do stay. And again, I do

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and I I mean to go back to the first

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Trump administration when the Muslim ban

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airport. I didn't know the H and there

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was like all these people protesting. I

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had no idea and they were they were

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white people, right? They weren't, you

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know, the PE and they were protesting

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because there hadn't already been a

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shift, right? And I do feel like there

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is a shift. I feel like it's continuing

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to happen. Again, it's happening through

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the efforts of many people and not just

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the efforts of organizations or like

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you, but efforts of individuals, you

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know, who who are more um proudly

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asserting their identity in the various

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fields in which they're doing good work.

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>> Area Vanished is available for free.

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>> You also produced a documentary last

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year called Islam's greatest love

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stories which examines love and grief

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and I think PBS made that available. Um,

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why is it so important to have work like

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yours and UPFS publicly available,

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accessible with little or no cost?

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>> For many reasons. One of them is we want

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to center representation in a way that

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as many po people as possible that would

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connect with it either because of the

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theme itself or because of the way of

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the story and the narrative and the

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beautiful visuals or just simply because

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they want to do something that has to do

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with their own identity. So for us, I

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think what's been the most important is

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create narratives that feel universal

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but that are situated in a particular

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context that we as Muslims believe that

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are important but it's also natural to

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who we are and the stories that we're

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creating. So we want to create things

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that feel as universal as possible, as

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inaccessible to everyone as possible

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while also centering it in the

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particular context that we come from.

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>> And before we forget, you know, we we

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have a companion website called

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vanish.game. That's the URL that really

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uh explores much more deeply these

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themes, these ideas uh that Ariel is

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mentioning.

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>> And Alex, one of UPF's upcoming projects

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is a film called Son of Mary.

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>> That's right.

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>> What is that all about? How does that

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fit into your mission? Uh so in in that

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uh what we're doing in that film is

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we're telling the story of Jesus as he

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is known in the Islamic tradition and we

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see this as actually a bridge of unity.

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Uh most people don't know that Jesus is

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a beloved figure in Islam. Yes,

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>> he's mentioned uh by name more times

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than Muhammad is mentioned in the Quran

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>> that his mother is a virgin.

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>> His mother's a virgin. Mary plays in in

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the Islamic version, Mary plays a role

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throughout his whole life.

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>> Uh and and

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>> so this is a documentary feature film. a

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docu drama.

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>> Okay.

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>> The way we're pursuing it is a docu

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drama. And um

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>> um we believe that uh there's that this

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is a something that not only has its own

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educational value, not only that it has

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an affirming fact for Muslims, but also

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is is a bridge building exercise and

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that's how we're pursuing it.

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>> Before we finish, I have to go back to

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Vanished and ask you this question. I

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was never very good at video games. Is

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this a hard game to master?

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>> No.

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>> Can I can I do it?

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>> You can do it. And and as you play the

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game,

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>> is there an age group it's talking about

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or is it open to 46y old? It's it's for

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your age group. And if you get stuck on

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certain things, then there are hints

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that pop up the

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>> Then I'll just ask my kids.

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>> Absolutely.

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>> Alex Ariela, thank you so much. The game

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is called Vanished. And where can people

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get it?

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>> They can find it on Android in the

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Google Play Store. They can find it on

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the App Store, on Steam, and Epic Games

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on the desktop as well.

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>> Thank you both for joining me.

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>> Thank you, Matthew.

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>> Thank you.

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