[00:00] Brace yourself. I'm going to show you an
[00:02] aesthetic catastrophe.
[00:04] It's the worst PowerPoint slide in human
[00:07] history. It was produced by the US
[00:10] military in 2010 to illustrate the
[00:12] difficulties they were facing during the
[00:13] war in Afghanistan. When the public got
[00:16] a hold of it, it became a case study for
[00:19] how not to do PowerPoint. This is actual
[00:22] slide of the Afghanistan [music]
[00:24] strategy last year and it was prepared
[00:27] by the staff to General Stanley
[00:28] McChrystal. Listen here, Thomas.
[00:30] We have met the enemy and he is
[00:31] PowerPoint.
[00:32] >> It was this incredibly complicated
[00:34] PowerPoint chart.
[00:36] >> Even the head of US forces at the time,
[00:38] General Stanley McChrystal, knew
[00:40] immediately how bad the slide was. When
[00:43] the staff brought this to McChrystal,
[00:45] this PowerPoint slide, he said, "When we
[00:47] understand that slide, we will have won
[00:49] the war." At the time, the US military's
[00:51] overuse of PowerPoint was an easy
[00:54] punchline for commanders when they were
[00:56] giving public speeches.
[00:57] >> It says in there that it is the
[00:58] inalienable right of every four-star
[01:00] Army general to use PowerPoint slides
[01:03] when communicating relying on only
[01:05] commander's intent, not detailed orders
[01:08] in multicolored PowerPoint format.
[01:10] Marine Corps General James Mattis was
[01:12] fond of saying, "PowerPoint makes us
[01:14] dumb." I have a friend who runs
[01:17] Microsoft, by the way, and he doesn't
[01:18] like it when I say that.
[01:21] 10 years later, things hadn't improved
[01:24] much. Another Pentagon PowerPoint slide
[01:27] that showed the way different parts of
[01:29] the military were interconnected went
[01:31] viral in 2020. It also was an
[01:34] abomination of communication. But,
[01:36] there's a reason the US military kept
[01:38] spitting out these awful diagrams. They
[01:41] were in the midst of a decades-long
[01:42] battle to figure out how all the
[01:45] different parts of the armed forces
[01:47] could work together more efficiently.
[01:49] The interesting thing is, in the last 3
[01:51] years or so,
[01:53] it appears that one company has finally
[01:55] figured it all out. To maintain US and
[01:58] Western military superiority requires
[02:00] deliberate action and [music]
[02:01] technological innovation.
[02:03] At Palantir, we deliver secure,
[02:05] innovative, and scalable software
[02:07] solutions at speed.
[02:09] You might have heard of this company,
[02:11] Palantir. It seems to be the evil
[02:13] multinational corporation de jure.
[02:16] Largely secretive, Palantir specializes
[02:19] in the shadowy practice of data mining.
[02:21] For most of its existence, Palantir flew
[02:23] under the radar. It was an extremely
[02:26] obscure US defense contractor that few
[02:28] people outside the industry had ever
[02:31] heard of.
[02:32] But in the last few years, it's kind of
[02:33] been everywhere. So, what do you think
[02:36] your local Coles has in common with CIA?
[02:39] Well, they both use Palantir. Palantir
[02:41] has been the top-performing stock on the
[02:43] entire US stock market in 2025. Special
[02:47] thanks to our sponsor, Palantir. From
[02:49] the global war on terror to space domain
[02:52] awareness, Palantir continues to be a
[02:54] mission partner for the US and allied
[02:56] nations. These days, Palantir is
[02:58] involved in everything from retail to
[03:00] military operations to immigration
[03:02] enforcement. Up until recently, the CEO
[03:05] has tried to remain out of the
[03:06] spotlight, and perhaps that was for a
[03:08] good reason. Because since becoming more
[03:11] of a public figure, he's been saying
[03:12] things like this. We are at the core
[03:15] of making the obvious superiority of the
[03:19] [music] West. Our product is used on
[03:22] occasion to kill people. Okay-dokey.
[03:25] Despite its exponential growth in size
[03:28] and strategic significance, Palantir is
[03:30] still a bit of a mystery to most people.
[03:33] We're going to spend the next 2 weeks on
[03:35] this company, taking a look at
[03:37] Palantir's origin story, and how it's
[03:39] grown to be one of the biggest companies
[03:41] in the world. I'm Matt Bevan,
[03:44] and this is If You Listen.
[03:49] This story begins with a terrorist
[03:51] attack on the World Trade Center in New
[03:53] York City,
[03:53] >> [laughter]
[03:53] >> but not the one you're thinking of. This
[03:56] one happened in 1993. As New Yorkers
[04:00] came to terms with a possible act of
[04:02] terrorism on US soil, investigators
[04:05] released the first pictures of the
[04:06] explosion site, leaving little doubt
[04:09] that a powerful bomb was the most likely
[04:11] cause.
[04:12] A van packed with 550 kilos of
[04:15] explosives was driven into an
[04:17] underground car park of the World Trade
[04:19] Center. Now, the crater is 100 ft beyond
[04:21] where you're looking right now. It
[04:23] blasted a hole through three floors,
[04:25] killing six people instantly, and
[04:27] injuring hundreds more.
[04:30] For some time, it wasn't clear who was
[04:32] behind the attack. As many as 19 groups
[04:35] have claimed responsibility for the
[04:37] explosion, but the mystery of who really
[04:39] did it remains unsolved.
[04:42] One of the FBI agents involved in the
[04:44] investigation was John O'Neill. He'd
[04:46] always wanted to be in the FBI ever
[04:49] since he watched this imaginatively
[04:50] titled TV show back in the 1960s. The
[04:54] FBI
[04:57] A QM production.
[05:00] The people behind the 1993 attack were
[05:03] religious extremists from Pakistan, and
[05:05] John was instrumental in their capture.
[05:08] He became obsessed with researching
[05:10] Islamic extremism, and quickly became an
[05:12] expert on the growing threat of
[05:14] terrorism on American soil.
[05:17] As he continued rising through the ranks
[05:19] of the FBI's counterterrorism
[05:21] department, he was cognizant of the
[05:23] importance of balancing the need to keep
[05:25] people safe with the infringement on
[05:28] their personal privacy. If you have a
[05:30] lot of order, there is very little
[05:32] liberty.
[05:34] And if you have a lot of liberty,
[05:36] there tends to be less order.
[05:39] And this great experiment that we call
[05:41] the United States of America has a
[05:43] perfect blend of ordered liberty.
[05:46] Ordered liberty, a balance between
[05:49] government surveillance and individual
[05:51] freedom.
[05:52] In the US, the government surveillance
[05:54] side of the seesaw is populated by lots
[05:56] of different intelligence agencies.
[05:58] There's local police and the FBI keeping
[06:00] an eye on people domestically,
[06:02] and the CIA keeping tabs on potential
[06:04] threats abroad. But in the 1990s, that
[06:07] system had a serious flaw.
[06:10] Each of those agencies gathered their
[06:12] own data, but sharing data between them
[06:15] was complicated. To understand how bad
[06:17] the data sharing situation was, think
[06:19] about it like this. Imagine the CIA,
[06:22] FBI, and local police are represented by
[06:25] individual jars, and each piece of
[06:27] information they gather is a marble.
[06:31] Each agency handles its own marbles. If
[06:33] the FBI wants to check out the CIA's
[06:35] marbles, they have to go through a
[06:37] complicated process of requesting
[06:40] specific ones. They have to know what
[06:42] they're looking for.
[06:43] And as you can see, the opening of this
[06:44] CIA bottle is very narrow. It's not easy
[06:47] to get an individual marble out.
[06:51] As John O'Neill probed the World Trade
[06:53] Center attack of 1993, he became
[06:55] interested in one particular marble.
[06:58] One that most counterterrorism experts
[07:01] at the time weren't paying attention to.
[07:03] I think if you asked most terrorism
[07:05] experts in the mid-1990s, well, what
[07:07] about this man, bin Laden?
[07:10] Most people in the mid-1990s would have
[07:12] said, "Ah, yes, the financier, the
[07:15] terrorist financier." In 1998, ABC
[07:18] America reporter Chris Isham, a personal
[07:20] friend of John O'Neill, trekked for 10
[07:22] days across Pakistan to interview the
[07:25] leader of a little-known extremist group
[07:27] called Al-Qaeda, Osama bin Laden.
[07:30] He sat down, um, on this kind of
[07:34] bench covered in red fabric, and put a
[07:36] blanket kind of over his knee. It was
[07:38] like sitting at story time with an old
[07:40] uncle. But Chris Isham and his friend
[07:43] from the FBI
[07:46] >> [music]
[07:46] >> shared a growing interest in this old
[07:48] uncle in the Pakistani wilderness, who
[07:52] during the interview seemed pretty
[07:54] harmless. Bin Laden's handlers wouldn't
[07:56] allow anyone to translate the shake's
[07:59] answers. Miller didn't know what Bin
[08:02] Laden was saying, and the Al-Qaeda
[08:04] leader's monotonous, measured delivery
[08:07] was deceivingly calm. It was only when
[08:09] the interview was finished and the
[08:10] producers sent the tapes back to be
[08:12] translated that they learned what this
[08:14] seemingly harmless man was saying. We do
[08:17] not differentiate between those dressed
[08:19] in military uniforms and civilians.
[08:22] They are all targets. We predict a black
[08:24] day for America and the end of the
[08:26] United States. Hmm, maybe not as
[08:29] harmless as he seems.
[08:31] When he saw this interview, John O'Neill
[08:34] became fixated on Bin Laden.
[08:36] He was sure that the US was due for
[08:38] another domestic attack, and that Osama
[08:40] Bin Laden would be the person to do it.
[08:43] He tried hard to raise the alarm within
[08:46] the FBI, but it was outside of his
[08:48] remit.
[08:49] Chris Isham says that John started
[08:51] getting frustrated that he wasn't being
[08:52] taken seriously enough. He felt that the
[08:56] Saudis were definitely playing games and
[08:59] that that that the
[09:02] senior officials in the US government
[09:03] just didn't [music] get it. The problem
[09:05] was that John didn't have all the
[09:09] information. He couldn't see all the
[09:11] marbles. He could only look at the FBI's
[09:13] intelligence that they were gathering
[09:14] domestically, not the stuff the CIA was
[09:17] gathering in the Middle East.
[09:19] His frustration began to compound. John,
[09:22] because of his aggressive posture, his
[09:24] aggressive nature,
[09:26] his
[09:27] willingness to go forward
[09:30] when it may not be politically correct,
[09:33] I think a few people were just
[09:35] uncomfortable
[09:37] with John's aggressive style. In the FBI
[09:40] job which John had access to, there were
[09:42] a couple of concerning marbles. You can
[09:44] see those two little blue ones in here.
[09:46] One blue marble is that a man with known
[09:49] connections to extremist groups had
[09:51] recently been arrested by the FBI while
[09:53] attending a flight training school in
[09:55] Minnesota.
[09:57] They also had another blue marble
[09:59] that suggested a coordinated effort may
[10:01] be underway by Bin Laden to send people
[10:04] to the US [music] to obtain training
[10:06] after a number of suspicious people were
[10:08] seen attending flight schools in
[10:10] Arizona.
[10:12] Two very interesting blue marbles, but
[10:15] not enough to get the full picture.
[10:19] Unbeknownst to John, over at the CIA,
[10:21] they had more blue marbles.
[10:24] The CIA knew that a number of
[10:25] high-profile Al-Qaeda operatives were
[10:27] attending planning meetings in Malaysia
[10:30] and intended to travel to the United
[10:32] States.
[10:33] John O'Neill never saw all the marbles.
[10:36] In mid-2001, he left the FBI partially
[10:39] out of frustration and took a high-paid
[10:41] job in the private sector, head of
[10:43] security for the World Trade Center.
[10:45] >> [music]
[10:46] >> He died in the center's South Tower on
[10:49] September 11th, 2001, just 3 weeks into
[10:53] the job. The coincidence there is just
[10:57] unbelievable. You couldn't write You
[10:58] couldn't
[10:59] You know, write about it. I mean, that's
[11:01] from the guy that identified Osama bin
[11:03] Laden as a villain that he was
[11:06] and then the fact that
[11:08] that
[11:09] Osama bin Laden was able to kill him.
[11:11] It's It's just amazing.
[11:15] Now, if you were around back then,
[11:18] you'll remember that there was
[11:19] understandable concern that something
[11:21] like this might happen again.
[11:23] A lot of changes were made to try and
[11:25] make people feel safe from terror
[11:27] attacks.
[11:28] And a lot of those changes were quite
[11:30] annoying.
[11:31] The sort of sense I had was that uh the
[11:33] way we were going with just, you know,
[11:35] ridiculous airport security checks and
[11:38] uh super intrusive um surveillance all
[11:41] the time, you know, wasn't really making
[11:43] us safer. This is tech billionaire Peter
[11:45] Thiel, who has some complicated opinions
[11:48] about how the world should be run, which
[11:50] we'll get into in the next episode of
[11:52] our series. But, let's just say at this
[11:54] stage
[11:55] he wasn't a fan of the government trying
[11:57] to intrude into people's lives in the
[11:59] name of trying to stop terrorism.
[12:02] He was concerned that if there were
[12:03] another attack along the lines of 9/11,
[12:06] the government would try to become even
[12:07] more intrusive. If the World Trade
[12:10] [music] Center would erode civil
[12:12] liberties as much as it did in 2001, I
[12:14] didn't even want to think what would
[12:15] happen if you had another terrorist
[12:17] attack. And so, you have to prevent it
[12:19] to to stop to stop more erosion. He was
[12:22] more in favor of the liberty side of
[12:24] John O'Neill's ordered liberty seesaw.
[12:26] Could one
[12:28] >> [music]
[12:28] >> do something from a libertarian or civil
[12:31] liberties point of view [music] that
[12:33] would still be, you know, tough on
[12:35] terrorism? He and a friend named Alex
[12:37] Karp started focusing on the marbles.
[12:40] The government already had a lot of the
[12:42] information it needed to prevent terror
[12:44] attacks. It was just spread across all
[12:46] these different jars.
[12:47] >> [music]
[12:48] >> It wasn't using the information
[12:50] efficiently. Silicon Valley ought to be
[12:52] involved in in in fighting terrorism and
[12:55] protecting our civil liberties. Thiel
[12:57] and Karp founded a company called
[12:58] Palantir, named after Saruman's
[13:01] all-seeing glass ball from Lord of the
[13:03] Rings. A palantir is a dangerous tool,
[13:06] Saruman.
[13:07] Now, naming your nascent tech company
[13:09] after a tool used by the very bad guy
[13:12] trying to take over Middle-earth is an
[13:13] interesting decision, but we'll
[13:15] again, get to that a little bit later.
[13:18] As far as Alex Karp and Peter Thiel were
[13:19] concerned, the company was designed to
[13:21] break open all the jars of marbles,
[13:24] spill them out onto on surface, and make
[13:27] sense of whatever came out. It would
[13:29] allow humans to find needles in
[13:31] haystacks. So, make the data
[13:33] intelligible to you and me, which it's
[13:34] not.
[13:35] >> [music]
[13:35] >> And by doing that, it would allow them
[13:37] to find bad people trying to destroy our
[13:39] society
[13:40] >> [music]
[13:40] >> and could be used also to protect civil
[13:42] liberties by making the data sets
[13:43] transparent. Palantir's first investor
[13:46] was the CIA.
[13:48] It's been widely reported, though never
[13:50] officially confirmed, that in 2011
[13:52] Palantir played a key role in processing
[13:55] information which led to the killing of
[13:57] Osama bin Laden in his secret compound
[14:00] in Pakistan.
[14:01] >> [music]
[14:01] >> Palantir, uh, for example, effectively
[14:03] vectored Osama bin Laden's location. So,
[14:06] How exactly
[14:08] >> [music]
[14:08] >> does it work?
[14:11] For the first decade of Palantir's
[14:12] existence, basically nobody knew who
[14:15] they were or what they did. They didn't
[14:17] even start posting on social media until
[14:19] 2015. A person can [music] see a pattern
[14:22] in a hundred things, but it's very hard
[14:24] for them to see a pattern in a million.
[14:27] The company embedded technical experts
[14:29] inside classified US intelligence
[14:31] operations and facilities, trying to
[14:33] access as many different information
[14:35] sources as possible and figure out how
[14:38] they relate to each other. Sticking with
[14:40] the [snorts] marble metaphor, it worked
[14:42] like this. Think of this plastic box as
[14:45] Palantir.
[14:47] Rather than everything being siloed in
[14:50] individual jars, Palantir had the
[14:52] capacity to empty all the marbles out
[14:54] like this.
[14:57] And then sort the marbles more logically
[15:00] and identify patterns
[15:03] and connections. So, it meant that the
[15:06] CIA marbles
[15:09] could be connected with the FBI marbles
[15:12] here.
[15:13] And it meant that the NSA marbles
[15:16] could be mixed in as well.
[15:20] Sorted, organized. Gee, they have a lot
[15:23] of marbles. Like really what it is is
[15:25] creating a unified view
[15:27] over lots of disparate data sources
[15:29] which don't otherwise make sense
[15:31] together. The reason they had so little
[15:32] public presence is that they really only
[15:35] had one customer, the US government.
[15:37] >> Fighting ISIS, stopping human
[15:39] trafficking, supporting money laundering
[15:41] investigations. Working with the special
[15:43] forces, law enforcement, the DOJ.
[15:45] According to their marketing, Palantir
[15:47] was all about organizing information in
[15:50] a way that humans would find more
[15:53] intuitive. Humans are incredible at
[15:55] insight. It's just surfacing the right
[15:57] information for them to see. They were
[15:59] effectively creating an enormous
[16:01] self-updating PowerPoint slide which
[16:03] could be used by humans
[16:05] to
[16:06] find patterns,
[16:09] find a pattern there,
[16:10] circle that, connect that,
[16:13] and kind of figure out what was really
[16:14] going on.
[16:16] Using Palantir software was like looking
[16:18] down on the world from above with
[16:19] information displayed on a large flat
[16:22] map that you could interact with. An ICE
[16:25] official said it's basically like a
[16:26] Google's map interface where you can
[16:28] look around the United States, you can
[16:30] zoom in on targets. You then click on an
[16:32] individual person and it brings up their
[16:34] name, a photo.
[16:36] >> We'll get into how it's being used for
[16:37] immigration enforcement in our next
[16:39] episode, but looking at it
[16:40] dispassionately, it's clearly impressive
[16:43] software.
[16:45] Way better than the PowerPoint
[16:47] nightmares they used to have to deal
[16:48] with.
[16:49] But programming these maps which
[16:51] Palantir calls the ontology was slow,
[16:54] painstaking work. It involved writing
[16:57] enormous amounts of code in incredibly
[17:00] complicated software.
[17:03] And talking to a lot of different people
[17:05] so that they didn't overemphasize the
[17:07] importance of one particular data source
[17:09] or ignore another one.
[17:12] It also didn't entirely solve the marble
[17:14] jar problem because each industry needed
[17:17] information laid out in different ways,
[17:19] the systems didn't talk to each other
[17:21] perfectly. For instance, Gotham,
[17:23] Palantir's military and law enforcement
[17:25] software, was different from its
[17:27] logistics software, which was called
[17:28] Foundry.
[17:30] But then something came along that put
[17:32] Palantir's marble sorting tech into
[17:34] hyperdrive. Let's start with this
[17:36] language AI chat GPT.
[17:40] What is it?
[17:41] Great question. In 2022, people were
[17:44] starting to get excited about the
[17:45] potential uses of large language models
[17:48] like chat GPT. It can create custom
[17:51] code. It can create entire books that
[17:53] are written from scratch that are not
[17:55] plagiarized. It can write essays. Wow,
[17:57] that really is amazing. But at Palantir,
[18:00] they were quickly coming to a
[18:01] realization.
[18:02] They'd been building software that was
[18:05] to be used by humans.
[18:07] But the way they'd built it was also
[18:09] perfect for large language models. We
[18:11] were pleasantly surprised to see how
[18:13] much the world we had been building for
[18:15] met its moment with LLMs. Palantir's
[18:17] chief technology officer, Shyam Sankar,
[18:20] said that LLMs, large language models,
[18:23] weren't just great at reading their data
[18:24] maps,
[18:25] but needed their data maps in order to
[18:28] be reliable. It's like, "Wow, you
[18:29] actually cannot unleash the value of an
[18:31] LLM without these things." They had,
[18:34] purely by luck, spent 20 years building
[18:37] a system that organized data in a way
[18:39] that could be intuitively read by the
[18:41] new wave of AI systems.
[18:44] And it was laid out in an ideal way for
[18:47] the AI system to produce reliable
[18:49] information. By January, it was quite
[18:52] obvious that we needed to tear up all
[18:54] our road maps and get excited about how
[18:56] we could incorporate LLMs into our
[18:58] software to provide a whole new series
[19:00] of experiences. They developed something
[19:02] called the Palantir AIP, which stands
[19:05] for artificial intelligence platform.
[19:07] AIP
[19:08] is your
[19:10] AI operating system. Now, individual
[19:13] users didn't need to look at the marble
[19:15] map at all. You can just use AIP, which
[19:18] sits on top of the marble map and looks
[19:20] at it for you, far faster than any human
[19:23] could.
[19:24] We start with a military operator
[19:26] responsible for monitoring activity
[19:28] within [music] Eastern Europe.
[19:29] >> To use it, all you have to do is ask it
[19:31] a question.
[19:32] >> What enemy units are in the region?
[19:34] >> The human operator can ask AIP in plain
[19:36] English to deploy surveillance drones.
[19:39] >> Task the MQ-9 to capture video of this
[19:41] location. The drone footage shows an
[19:43] enemy T-80 main battle tank. Then the
[19:46] operator can ask it to look at what
[19:48] options are available in the area to
[19:49] destroy that tank. Generate three
[19:52] courses of action to target this enemy
[19:54] equipment. Send these three options to
[19:56] my commander for review. Our commander
[19:58] selects a course of action. Approve
[20:00] course of action three.
[20:03] Until pretty recently, executing this
[20:05] kind of operation would have required
[20:07] big maps being rolled out on tables and
[20:09] little wooden figures pushed around on
[20:11] top, phone calls right up and down the
[20:13] chain of command. No man makes a perfect
[20:16] plan, Keith. AIP allows it all to be
[20:18] done as easily as asking ChatGPT to plan
[20:21] your holiday to Queensland. Of course,
[20:23] Matt. I can help you plan your holiday
[20:26] to Queensland. You're going to have such
[20:27] a great time. Not only can AI be used to
[20:30] operate the Palantir software,
[20:32] >> [music]
[20:32] >> it can also be used to design it. What
[20:35] once took software engineers years of
[20:37] observing operations and writing code
[20:39] now takes weeks.
[20:41] This rapid increase in efficiency meant
[20:44] that suddenly Palantir had a lot of
[20:46] extra time and resources on its hands.
[20:49] So, it started expanding. [music]
[20:52] Previously, pretty much only the US
[20:54] government could afford Palantir's
[20:55] services. [music]
[20:57] Now, it's getting into everything.
[21:00] ExxonMobil is adding powerful new
[21:02] features by partnering with Palantir
[21:03] Technologies.
[21:04] >> Today, we're in the world of customer
[21:06] [music] service focusing on AIP customer
[21:08] service engine.
[21:09] >> So, what do you think your local Coles
[21:11] has in common with the CIA?
[21:13] Well, they both use Palantir. With
[21:16] Palantir as the platform for making
[21:17] cricket the number one team bat and ball
[21:19] sport in [music] Europe. I have to say
[21:21] the European cricket network has got to
[21:23] be the most out of pocket of Palantir's
[21:25] clients. With our entrepreneurial
[21:27] intuition, we can now use [music]
[21:28] Palantir to ask the right questions of
[21:30] the data all in one place. Well, if they
[21:32] can sort out the FBI and CIA's marbles,
[21:35] they can probably handle the European
[21:37] cricket networks.
[21:38] This rapid expansion in clients made
[21:41] markets extremely excited about
[21:43] Palantir's potential future profits.
[21:46] >> stocks have moved pretty ferociously
[21:48] here um in the last couple of months. In
[21:50] 2023, Palantir stock jumped 167%
[21:53] [music] in 2024, it jumped by 340%.
[21:58] I think there's a golden path right now
[22:00] for them to monetize
[22:02] >> [music]
[22:02] >> what we view as potentially a
[22:03] trillion-dollar market opportunity. It's
[22:06] become one of the fastest-growing
[22:07] companies on Earth with clients all over
[22:10] the world, including government
[22:11] contracts in lots of different
[22:13] countries.
[22:14] And it's basically just a glorified
[22:16] version of that PowerPoint slide General
[22:18] McChrystal was considering during the
[22:20] war in Afghanistan.
[22:22] It was designed to help keep the balance
[22:24] that FBI agent John O'Neill thought was
[22:26] so important. And this great experiment
[22:29] that we call the United States of
[22:30] America
[22:32] has a perfect blend of ordered liberty.
[22:35] He wanted to make sure that the seesaw
[22:36] didn't go too far one way or the other.
[22:38] If you have a lot of order, there is
[22:41] very little liberty.
[22:43] And if you have a lot of liberty,
[22:45] there tends to be less order. But a lot
[22:47] of people are starting to think that
[22:48] Palantir is tipping the balance towards
[22:51] order and away from liberty. Ladies and
[22:55] gentlemen, this is scary. This is us
[22:58] moving towards what China is doing to
[22:59] their citizens. People are really quite
[23:01] scared of this company. The Palantir
[23:04] surveillance state.
[23:05] >> Palantir is a definite CIA front
[23:07] company. There are more conspiracy
[23:09] theories swirling around about Palantir
[23:11] than any other Silicon Valley company.
[23:13] >> Peter Thiel and his company Palantir are
[23:15] some of the most evil forces on our
[23:17] planet conspiring against the American
[23:20] people.
[23:20] >> Palantir is like a surveillance and
[23:23] predictive policing firm.
[23:25] >> Palantir, an organization that is run
[23:29] also by a Zionist psychopath. And that's
[23:32] because even though it really is just a
[23:33] very fancy PowerPoint slide which makes
[23:36] intelligence, military, logistics,
[23:38] customer service, and cricketing
[23:40] operations more efficient, its leaders
[23:43] have decided to create a kind of weird
[23:46] public image. We have dedicated our
[23:48] company to the service of the West and
[23:50] the United States of [music] America.
[23:51] Palantir is here
[23:54] to disrupt and when it's necessary to
[23:56] scare enemies and on occasion kill them.
[23:59] And we hope you're in favor of that. So,
[24:02] I think it's important to spend some
[24:03] time talking about this guy, Alex Karp,
[24:06] and what he wants to do with his company
[24:09] that now controls so much of the world's
[24:12] data.
[24:13] But we're not going to do it today.
[24:14] We're going to spend our whole next
[24:16] episode on it. And we hope you're in
[24:18] favor of that. We'll see you then.
[24:35] >> [music]