WEBVTT 00:00:00.080 --> 00:00:03.919 Who are the people? 00:00:01.839 --> 00:00:05.839 >> Who who are the modern? Yes. Who are who 00:00:03.919 --> 00:00:07.359 are the descendants? So, we know and I 00:00:05.839 --> 00:00:09.679 believe and I agree with you as a 00:00:07.359 --> 00:00:13.120 Christian that God promised 00:00:09.679 --> 00:00:16.160 >> this land from modern day Iraq to modern 00:00:13.119 --> 00:00:18.079 day Egypt to this people, the Jews, to 00:00:16.160 --> 00:00:21.839 Abram's actually not to the to Abram's 00:00:18.079 --> 00:00:23.439 descendants as it says in Genesis 15. 00:00:21.839 --> 00:00:24.559 Who are his descendants now? And how do 00:00:23.439 --> 00:00:26.000 we know who they are? 00:00:24.559 --> 00:00:27.599 >> I think they're the Jews. And we know 00:00:26.000 --> 00:00:29.759 who they are because they've always been 00:00:27.599 --> 00:00:31.920 a Jewish people. There has been an 00:00:29.760 --> 00:00:35.359 unbroken line of Jewish people and 00:00:31.920 --> 00:00:37.520 they've lived in this land for 3,800 00:00:35.359 --> 00:00:39.039 years. Sometimes not very many of them 00:00:37.520 --> 00:00:40.800 because they were chased out all over 00:00:39.039 --> 00:00:42.399 the world. They were hunted down. They 00:00:40.799 --> 00:00:45.199 were almost annihilated during the 00:00:42.399 --> 00:00:46.320 Holocaust. They came back to this day. 00:00:45.200 --> 00:00:47.840 Tucker, they represent, you know, how 00:00:46.320 --> 00:00:50.320 many Jews there are in the whole world. 00:00:47.840 --> 00:00:52.239 >> Please, I understand. First of all, the 00:00:50.320 --> 00:00:54.640 greatest genocide of Jews no one ever 00:00:52.238 --> 00:00:57.198 mentions was by the Romans where they 00:00:54.640 --> 00:00:58.160 were literally banned from Jerusalem for 00:00:57.198 --> 00:00:59.119 500 years. 00:00:58.159 --> 00:01:01.119 >> Yeah. Of course. 00:00:59.119 --> 00:01:02.878 >> And and it's all awful. And I'm opposed 00:01:01.119 --> 00:01:04.878 to all of that. I'm opposed to mass 00:01:02.878 --> 00:01:05.359 killing of anybody. Period. I'm opposed 00:01:04.879 --> 00:01:06.560 to 00:01:05.359 --> 00:01:07.200 >> you say that. 00:01:06.560 --> 00:01:07.439 >> I mean it. 00:01:07.200 --> 00:01:10.400 >> Yeah. 00:01:07.438 --> 00:01:13.039 >> And I hope I believe that. 00:01:10.400 --> 00:01:14.640 >> My question is, and it's not a bumper 00:01:13.040 --> 00:01:17.360 sticker answer. It's a sincere answer. 00:01:14.640 --> 00:01:19.280 How do we know? Because what you're 00:01:17.359 --> 00:01:22.719 >> saying is that certain people have a 00:01:19.280 --> 00:01:24.719 title to a highly contested region. They 00:01:22.719 --> 00:01:26.798 own it in some deep sense. 00:01:24.719 --> 00:01:29.118 >> So I think it's fair to ask, who are 00:01:26.799 --> 00:01:31.759 they? And how do we know? So the current 00:01:29.118 --> 00:01:33.920 prime minister's ancestors weren't from 00:01:31.759 --> 00:01:36.959 here within recorded history. They're he 00:01:33.920 --> 00:01:38.000 has no deed. BB Netanyahu on one side is 00:01:36.959 --> 00:01:40.879 families from Poland. They're from 00:01:38.000 --> 00:01:43.840 Eastern Europe. So how do we know that 00:01:40.879 --> 00:01:45.759 he has a connection to the people 00:01:43.840 --> 00:01:47.280 who God promised the land to Abram's 00:01:45.759 --> 00:01:49.280 descendants? How do we know that? Well, 00:01:47.280 --> 00:01:50.799 if you take the genealogies that come 00:01:49.280 --> 00:01:52.478 not only from the Old but the New 00:01:50.799 --> 00:01:54.880 Testament, you see that there is a 00:01:52.478 --> 00:01:56.319 historical connection through the 00:01:54.879 --> 00:01:59.438 entirety of the Old and the New 00:01:56.319 --> 00:02:00.798 Testament that details the Jewish 00:01:59.438 --> 00:02:02.559 connection to this land. 00:02:00.799 --> 00:02:05.040 >> Does that include his family? How do we 00:02:02.560 --> 00:02:07.680 know that if his family scattered? 00:02:05.040 --> 00:02:10.239 >> But how do we know it's the same people? 00:02:07.680 --> 00:02:12.239 >> No. Why is that crazy? If if if you say 00:02:10.239 --> 00:02:13.920 to me if they speak the same language, 00:02:12.239 --> 00:02:16.080 if they worship the same God, if they 00:02:13.919 --> 00:02:18.318 follow the same Bible, if they follow 00:02:16.080 --> 00:02:20.560 the same cultures and traditions and 00:02:18.318 --> 00:02:22.238 they always pray next year in Jerusalem 00:02:20.560 --> 00:02:24.719 and they pray for the peace of Jerusalem 00:02:22.239 --> 00:02:26.400 and they pray facing toward Jerusalem, 00:02:24.719 --> 00:02:27.598 does that not give you a little bit of a 00:02:26.400 --> 00:02:28.879 clue as to who they are? Let's go 00:02:27.598 --> 00:02:30.238 through those things because I would 00:02:28.878 --> 00:02:31.679 like to have a rational This is the 00:02:30.239 --> 00:02:33.439 conversation I've wanted. Bless you. 00:02:31.680 --> 00:02:35.840 Thank you for doing this. 00:02:33.439 --> 00:02:37.280 >> Um, let's just go through those things. 00:02:35.840 --> 00:02:38.878 >> Okay. So, one of the things I admire 00:02:37.280 --> 00:02:42.318 most about Israel is they resurrected a 00:02:38.878 --> 00:02:44.399 dead language in 1948. Good for them. 00:02:42.318 --> 00:02:46.079 >> Well, they really didn't resurrect it. 00:02:44.400 --> 00:02:47.920 It It was existent. 00:02:46.080 --> 00:02:49.599 >> Okay. I'm not That's not That's a 00:02:47.919 --> 00:02:50.878 compliment. I'm not slight no. But it is 00:02:49.598 --> 00:02:53.598 the first time in all of human history 00:02:50.878 --> 00:02:56.000 that a language has survived through 00:02:53.598 --> 00:02:57.759 this length of time. It's it's it's I 00:02:56.000 --> 00:03:00.400 would call it You might not, but I would 00:02:57.759 --> 00:03:02.000 call it a miracle. One of many, 00:03:00.400 --> 00:03:03.200 >> okay, that you can attribute to this. 00:03:02.000 --> 00:03:05.519 >> I think it's wonderful as someone who 00:03:03.199 --> 00:03:08.000 loves language. Netanyahu's parents did 00:03:05.519 --> 00:03:11.200 not speak Hebrew. Okay? They didn't live 00:03:08.000 --> 00:03:13.120 in this region. Netanyahu, the founders 00:03:11.199 --> 00:03:14.878 of this country were mostly secular. 00:03:13.120 --> 00:03:16.319 Some of them were avowed atheists. They 00:03:14.878 --> 00:03:17.199 were not praying for the peace of 00:03:16.318 --> 00:03:19.439 Jerusalem. They weren't praying at all 00:03:17.199 --> 00:03:21.359 because they didn't believe in God. 00:03:19.439 --> 00:03:24.639 >> There's no genealogy linking their 00:03:21.360 --> 00:03:27.360 families to the people of this land 00:03:24.639 --> 00:03:29.279 3,000 years ago. They're none. So, how 00:03:27.360 --> 00:03:31.280 do we know since they didn't share a 00:03:29.280 --> 00:03:34.239 language? They didn't share a religion. 00:03:31.280 --> 00:03:37.840 They had no religion whatsoever. 00:03:34.239 --> 00:03:40.719 How do we know that they had a right to 00:03:37.840 --> 00:03:42.319 come here from Eastern Europe? And 00:03:40.719 --> 00:03:44.000 >> but they were scattered. 00:03:42.318 --> 00:03:46.079 >> They were scattered to Eastern Europe. 00:03:44.000 --> 00:03:47.519 They were scattered all over the world. 00:03:46.080 --> 00:03:49.760 There were many in Ethiopia. They were 00:03:47.519 --> 00:03:52.239 in Russia. They were in Poland. 00:03:49.759 --> 00:03:53.840 >> They were throughout Asia. 00:03:52.239 --> 00:03:56.000 >> Jews were all over the place, but they 00:03:53.840 --> 00:03:56.640 were still Jews. But they were still 00:03:56.000 --> 00:03:58.400 Jews. 00:03:56.639 --> 00:04:00.719 >> Okay. So, let me get to the nub of the 00:03:58.400 --> 00:04:02.480 question since again, a lot is at stake. 00:04:00.719 --> 00:04:04.239 A lot of money is at stake. land is very 00:04:02.479 --> 00:04:05.919 valuable. 00:04:04.239 --> 00:04:06.959 Uh, Israel has a lot of resources. By 00:04:05.919 --> 00:04:08.238 the way, if you're accused of a crime, 00:04:06.959 --> 00:04:10.799 you can hide here. That's pretty good 00:04:08.239 --> 00:04:14.878 passport to have. It's a good thing, 00:04:10.799 --> 00:04:16.879 right? So, who's entitled to it? I don't 00:04:14.878 --> 00:04:18.079 understand. And you're very discouraged 00:04:16.879 --> 00:04:19.680 in the United States from asking this 00:04:18.079 --> 00:04:20.799 question for some reason. It's a totally 00:04:19.680 --> 00:04:22.319 rational discourage. 00:04:20.798 --> 00:04:23.439 >> No, you're not discouraging. Others do. 00:04:22.319 --> 00:04:24.639 You're like the only person I have this 00:04:23.439 --> 00:04:26.000 conversation with. Every be like, "Shut 00:04:24.639 --> 00:04:28.639 up, Nazi." 00:04:26.000 --> 00:04:31.680 >> It It's a foundational question. Are you 00:04:28.639 --> 00:04:33.040 speaking of an ethnic group or a 00:04:31.680 --> 00:04:35.120 religious group? 00:04:33.040 --> 00:04:37.439 >> Well, I think you're looking at for many 00:04:35.120 --> 00:04:40.319 people it is religious. There are people 00:04:37.439 --> 00:04:42.079 who may not have a deep religious 00:04:40.319 --> 00:04:42.879 connection to Judaism, but they're still 00:04:42.079 --> 00:04:44.560 Jews. 00:04:42.879 --> 00:04:46.800 >> Okay? So, it's it's an ethnic category. 00:04:44.560 --> 00:04:49.120 >> It is ethnic, but it is also religious. 00:04:46.800 --> 00:04:50.800 It is rooted in religion. You can't take 00:04:49.120 --> 00:04:52.079 it out of it. Now, that means 00:04:50.800 --> 00:04:53.120 >> then how can an atheist 00:04:52.079 --> 00:04:54.879 >> Well, I will tell you this. There are 00:04:53.120 --> 00:04:56.800 some people who say, "I'm Christian." 00:04:54.879 --> 00:04:58.800 They never go to church. They never 00:04:56.800 --> 00:04:59.439 pray. They never read their Bible. They 00:04:58.800 --> 00:05:00.800 don't tithe. 00:04:59.439 --> 00:05:02.000 >> But they're not entitled to citizenship 00:05:00.800 --> 00:05:04.000 on the basis of that. They're not 00:05:02.000 --> 00:05:07.120 entitled to they still call themselves 00:05:04.000 --> 00:05:08.800 Christian. Even though they identify 00:05:07.120 --> 00:05:14.079 here's the difference. You're saying 00:05:08.800 --> 00:05:18.000 that people who have this identification 00:05:14.079 --> 00:05:21.758 have a deed to a huge chunk of land on 00:05:18.000 --> 00:05:23.279 the Mediterranean. Okay. So there's, you 00:05:21.759 --> 00:05:25.600 know, it's a it's a right. You keep 00:05:23.279 --> 00:05:27.119 telling me it's a right. And so it's 00:05:25.600 --> 00:05:28.479 totally fair to say if you come to my 00:05:27.120 --> 00:05:31.280 house and say I've got the title to your 00:05:28.478 --> 00:05:33.360 house, I get to ask, may I see it? 00:05:31.279 --> 00:05:34.799 Where'd you get it? And that's exactly 00:05:33.360 --> 00:05:36.960 what happened here. People from Europe, 00:05:34.800 --> 00:05:40.240 Eastern Europe, came here. In a lot of 00:05:36.959 --> 00:05:41.839 cases, atheists and kicked out a lot of 00:05:40.240 --> 00:05:44.478 people who lived here land. 00:05:41.839 --> 00:05:44.799 >> Well, they did not just throw people 00:05:44.478 --> 00:05:45.839 out. 00:05:44.800 --> 00:05:47.120 >> They bought a lot of land. There's no 00:05:45.839 --> 00:05:50.478 question about that. Buy a lot of land, 00:05:47.120 --> 00:05:52.639 >> but they also in 1948 kicked out a lot 00:05:50.478 --> 00:05:54.159 of people in the war. 00:05:52.639 --> 00:05:56.160 >> It was a war. I agree. I'm not, look, 00:05:54.160 --> 00:05:57.280 I'm not want to relitigate the history. 00:05:56.160 --> 00:05:57.759 I'm just saying it's a fact. 00:05:57.279 --> 00:05:59.679 >> Okay? 00:05:57.759 --> 00:06:01.120 >> Including a lot of Christians, a lot of 00:05:59.680 --> 00:06:02.720 Christians 00:06:01.120 --> 00:06:04.000 >> uh wound up fleeing 00:06:02.720 --> 00:06:06.080 >> and they lost their homes and they've 00:06:04.000 --> 00:06:08.639 never been allowed back. And all of this 00:06:06.079 --> 00:06:12.079 was justified on the basis of this 00:06:08.639 --> 00:06:14.079 identity that forms that is the ticket 00:06:12.079 --> 00:06:15.680 to the right that you keep referring to. 00:06:14.079 --> 00:06:17.199 So my question is very simple. I'm going 00:06:15.680 --> 00:06:19.120 to wait patiently for an answer. Does 00:06:17.199 --> 00:06:20.720 this right derive from religious 00:06:19.120 --> 00:06:22.639 affiliation 00:06:20.720 --> 00:06:24.639 or from genetics? And I would say it's 00:06:22.639 --> 00:06:26.400 both. But I would also say that when you 00:06:24.639 --> 00:06:28.800 said the Christians were kicked out, 00:06:26.399 --> 00:06:29.359 Tucker, Christianity is growing in 00:06:28.800 --> 00:06:31.280 Israel. 00:06:29.360 --> 00:06:33.038 >> Okay. But and and there is a big lie 00:06:31.279 --> 00:06:34.959 that goes out there. But but no, let me 00:06:33.038 --> 00:06:37.199 finish this because I I keep hearing 00:06:34.959 --> 00:06:38.879 that Christians are 00:06:37.199 --> 00:06:40.560 >> really not treated well in Israel. 00:06:38.879 --> 00:06:42.319 That's just simply that's a lie. 00:06:40.560 --> 00:06:42.639 >> Well, there are lots there are lots of 00:06:42.319 --> 00:06:44.479 different 00:06:42.639 --> 00:06:47.199 >> There were 34,000 Christians in Israel 00:06:44.478 --> 00:06:47.918 in 1948. There are 184,000 Christians 00:06:47.199 --> 00:06:50.720 here today. 00:06:47.918 --> 00:06:52.799 >> And by Israel, what are you counting? 00:06:50.720 --> 00:06:54.160 You talking about the land? 00:06:52.800 --> 00:06:56.400 >> What? What? What territory? Are you 00:06:54.160 --> 00:06:58.800 counting? You're counting Israel proper? 00:06:56.399 --> 00:07:00.560 Are you counting the West Bank as well 00:06:58.800 --> 00:07:02.478 and Gaza? I mean, what what do you when 00:07:00.560 --> 00:07:03.439 you say Israel, those numbers apply to 00:07:02.478 --> 00:07:05.279 what land mass? 00:07:03.439 --> 00:07:07.279 >> It would be in Israel proper. Okay, 00:07:05.279 --> 00:07:09.359 there 184,000. 00:07:07.279 --> 00:07:11.439 >> Now, I'll tell you where Christians are 00:07:09.360 --> 00:07:13.120 not doing very well. They're not doing 00:07:11.439 --> 00:07:16.079 very well in the Muslim control 00:07:13.120 --> 00:07:18.560 countries. There's almost no Christians 00:07:16.079 --> 00:07:20.560 in Qatar, for example, except those who 00:07:18.560 --> 00:07:21.519 live in the Christian ghetto who are the 00:07:20.560 --> 00:07:23.038 service workers. 00:07:21.519 --> 00:07:24.240 >> I'm sorry. Look, I don't want to argue 00:07:23.038 --> 00:07:25.680 with you. There there are many more 00:07:24.240 --> 00:07:26.319 Christians in Qatar than there are in 00:07:25.680 --> 00:07:27.280 Israel. 00:07:26.319 --> 00:07:28.960 >> That's not true. 00:07:27.279 --> 00:07:30.559 >> What it actually is true and I refer you 00:07:28.959 --> 00:07:31.839 to Wikipedia, Mr. Ambassador. 00:07:30.560 --> 00:07:33.519 >> Wikipedia that 00:07:31.839 --> 00:07:34.638 >> I refer you to the government of Qar, 00:07:33.519 --> 00:07:36.560 the government of Israel. These are 00:07:34.639 --> 00:07:38.079 knowable facts. Like I'm And I'm in 00:07:36.560 --> 00:07:39.519 Jordan by the numbers are down. In 00:07:38.079 --> 00:07:41.279 Syria, the numbers are down. In Lebanon, 00:07:39.519 --> 00:07:42.959 the numbers are down. just tell you that 00:07:41.279 --> 00:07:45.038 >> about twice as many Christians, 00:07:42.959 --> 00:07:47.680 >> but they live in the enclave. They are 00:07:45.038 --> 00:07:49.120 not native Qataris. 00:07:47.680 --> 00:07:50.240 >> Okay, we're we're mixing so many 00:07:49.120 --> 00:07:51.680 different categories here. I'm just 00:07:50.240 --> 00:07:52.800 saying I get things wrong all the time. 00:07:51.680 --> 00:07:53.918 You've just gotten something wrong. And 00:07:52.800 --> 00:07:55.199 I think it's important to acknowledge 00:07:53.918 --> 00:07:56.719 it. There are many more Christians in 00:07:55.199 --> 00:07:58.478 Qar than there are in Israel. Fact. 00:07:56.720 --> 00:08:00.080 >> How many? 00:07:58.478 --> 00:08:01.519 >> Now, you caught me. I don't know. I 00:08:00.079 --> 00:08:03.519 could look at my phone, but I was just 00:08:01.519 --> 00:08:06.719 there and there many more like whatever. 00:08:03.519 --> 00:08:08.240 But I just want to get to the point 00:08:06.720 --> 00:08:11.199 that forms the basis of this whole 00:08:08.240 --> 00:08:12.079 conversation which is who has a right to 00:08:11.199 --> 00:08:12.639 the land. 00:08:12.079 --> 00:08:14.478 >> Yeah. 00:08:12.639 --> 00:08:17.439 >> And you said it's a mixture of religion 00:08:14.478 --> 00:08:19.519 and ethnicity because as I noted and you 00:08:17.439 --> 00:08:20.639 agree many of the founders maybe the 00:08:19.519 --> 00:08:22.240 majority of the founders of modern 00:08:20.639 --> 00:08:23.680 Israel did not believe in God at all. So 00:08:22.240 --> 00:08:24.560 they were not religious Jews. They 00:08:23.680 --> 00:08:26.319 weren't religious at all. They were 00:08:24.560 --> 00:08:28.160 atheists. They said they were atheists. 00:08:26.319 --> 00:08:30.960 I believe them. 00:08:28.160 --> 00:08:32.399 >> So that suggests it's ethnic. But it's 00:08:30.959 --> 00:08:33.598 also true, as you well know, because 00:08:32.399 --> 00:08:36.559 there was a famous court case about 00:08:33.599 --> 00:08:38.640 this, that ethnic Jews who convert to 00:08:36.559 --> 00:08:40.399 Christianity do not have the right of 00:08:38.639 --> 00:08:42.319 return. That was settled by the Israeli 00:08:40.399 --> 00:08:44.399 Supreme Court. 00:08:42.320 --> 00:08:47.680 I'm very confused. So, that would 00:08:44.399 --> 00:08:49.600 suggest it's not ethnicity because you 00:08:47.679 --> 00:08:50.319 invalidate your Jewishness by converting 00:08:49.600 --> 00:08:52.560 to Christianity. 00:08:50.320 --> 00:08:54.480 >> There are a number of Messianic Jews who 00:08:52.559 --> 00:08:56.000 live in Israel, 00:08:54.480 --> 00:08:57.519 who are here. I'm aware of this. I'm 00:08:56.000 --> 00:08:59.600 aware of that number, but you're not 00:08:57.519 --> 00:09:02.159 contesting what I'm saying because it's 00:08:59.600 --> 00:09:04.480 a very famous court case. 00:09:02.159 --> 00:09:06.799 >> The right of return has to do with your 00:09:04.480 --> 00:09:08.560 mother, your grandmother. It has to do 00:09:06.799 --> 00:09:10.799 with family ties. Ethnic 00:09:08.559 --> 00:09:12.799 >> there is a lot of sure ethnicity is a 00:09:10.799 --> 00:09:16.079 big part of the right of return to make 00:09:12.799 --> 00:09:18.079 aliyah to come to Israel to live here. 00:09:16.080 --> 00:09:21.360 Then if I if both of your parents are 00:09:18.080 --> 00:09:22.639 Jewish and you have an ethnic right to 00:09:21.360 --> 00:09:24.159 land, you are one of Abram's 00:09:22.639 --> 00:09:26.080 descendants, 00:09:24.159 --> 00:09:27.519 but you convert to Christianity. How is 00:09:26.080 --> 00:09:28.560 it you don't have the right to return? 00:09:27.519 --> 00:09:30.720 I'm totally confused. 00:09:28.559 --> 00:09:33.759 >> But I know a number of people who have 00:09:30.720 --> 00:09:34.480 returned as Christians, but have Jewish 00:09:33.759 --> 00:09:37.439 history. 00:09:34.480 --> 00:09:41.200 >> Are you saying that Jews who convert to 00:09:37.440 --> 00:09:42.320 Christianity have a right, a legal right 00:09:41.200 --> 00:09:45.440 to return? Cuz I 00:09:42.320 --> 00:09:47.600 >> I know that they do. Whether when you 00:09:45.440 --> 00:09:48.320 say do they have a right to return do 00:09:47.600 --> 00:09:50.000 they prove 00:09:48.320 --> 00:09:53.200 >> it's a it's a legal category as in any 00:09:50.000 --> 00:09:55.759 government by their family history their 00:09:53.200 --> 00:09:57.519 grandmother their mother and there are 00:09:55.759 --> 00:09:59.039 many aspects of that 00:09:57.519 --> 00:10:01.120 >> I've read it I think I know that these 00:09:59.039 --> 00:10:04.480 were people who were Christian and they 00:10:01.120 --> 00:10:08.240 came here made aliyah they had Jewish 00:10:04.480 --> 00:10:11.278 blood Jewish history they were Christian 00:10:08.240 --> 00:10:12.399 messianic but they came here and they 00:10:11.278 --> 00:10:14.879 were welcomed here 00:10:12.399 --> 00:10:17.440 >> and they were given full legal rights 00:10:14.879 --> 00:10:19.600 and a passport. So, so clearly 00:10:17.440 --> 00:10:21.440 >> that's not it's not true that you 00:10:19.600 --> 00:10:22.800 invalidate your right of return by 00:10:21.440 --> 00:10:23.839 converting to Christianity. That's just 00:10:22.799 --> 00:10:25.599 false. 00:10:23.839 --> 00:10:27.120 >> I'm not aware of that. I I know that 00:10:25.600 --> 00:10:28.639 there are a number of Christians here. I 00:10:27.120 --> 00:10:29.200 go to church with Christians every week 00:10:28.639 --> 00:10:31.439 here. 00:10:29.200 --> 00:10:34.720 >> Of course. But do you have a right to 00:10:31.440 --> 00:10:36.399 come and say I am an ethnic Jew even 00:10:34.720 --> 00:10:38.480 though I practice Christianity. 00:10:36.399 --> 00:10:40.879 Therefore, I have every bit as much 00:10:38.480 --> 00:10:42.639 right to move into a settlement in the 00:10:40.879 --> 00:10:46.000 West Bank or into East Jerusale or 00:10:42.639 --> 00:10:48.399 anywhere I want, Galilee, anywhere 00:10:46.000 --> 00:10:50.078 because I am returning to the land of my 00:10:48.399 --> 00:10:51.440 forefathers of a legal right in the 00:10:50.078 --> 00:10:52.958 state of Israel even though I've 00:10:51.440 --> 00:10:53.839 converted to Christianity. You're saying 00:10:52.958 --> 00:10:55.759 that's true. 00:10:53.839 --> 00:10:57.839 >> I'm saying I know people have done it. 00:10:55.759 --> 00:10:59.439 Now, can can I tell you what the law 00:10:57.839 --> 00:11:01.760 specifically is? I'm not sure because 00:10:59.440 --> 00:11:03.120 >> Well, it's really a Christian. I'm not I 00:11:01.759 --> 00:11:05.838 don't have any Jewish roots, so 00:11:03.120 --> 00:11:07.039 therefore I cannot quote you the law. If 00:11:05.839 --> 00:11:08.800 you want me to do that, I'll look at 00:11:07.039 --> 00:11:10.719 >> Well, it really matters because you're 00:11:08.799 --> 00:11:14.240 saying, in fact, people in the United 00:11:10.720 --> 00:11:17.600 States are being called anti-semites. 00:11:14.240 --> 00:11:19.680 >> A lot of them, including me, because 00:11:17.600 --> 00:11:21.759 they somehow don't believe that Israel 00:11:19.679 --> 00:11:23.278 has a right to this land. 00:11:21.759 --> 00:11:23.600 >> Do you think Israel has a right to this 00:11:23.278 --> 00:11:25.278 land? 00:11:23.600 --> 00:11:27.040 >> No. You haven't defined what the land 00:11:25.278 --> 00:11:28.480 is, and you haven't defined who Israel 00:11:27.039 --> 00:11:30.159 is, so I really don't know. 00:11:28.480 --> 00:11:31.759 >> No, it is the land they're living in 00:11:30.159 --> 00:11:33.600 now. The borders that they have, 00:11:31.759 --> 00:11:35.120 >> the borders are moving. The borders have 00:11:33.600 --> 00:11:36.240 moved in the last year. 00:11:35.120 --> 00:11:36.639 >> What do you mean the borders have moved 00:11:36.240 --> 00:11:39.039 in the last 00:11:36.639 --> 00:11:41.199 >> Well, they they are the 1967 borders. 00:11:39.039 --> 00:11:44.719 I'm including, you know, the the West 00:11:41.200 --> 00:11:46.000 >> East Jerusalem and Judea and Samaria. 00:11:44.720 --> 00:11:47.120 >> What are the borders of Judea and 00:11:46.000 --> 00:11:50.159 Samaria? 00:11:47.120 --> 00:11:54.078 >> Well, you basically take the Jordan 00:11:50.159 --> 00:11:56.639 River and it's west of the Jordan River 00:11:54.078 --> 00:11:59.599 to the Mediterranean Sea to the Lebanon 00:11:56.639 --> 00:12:02.480 border and uh Israel did have control of 00:11:59.600 --> 00:12:03.360 the Sinai. They gave that to Egypt. They 00:12:02.480 --> 00:12:03.920 had control of it, 00:12:03.360 --> 00:12:06.159 >> right? 00:12:03.919 --> 00:12:07.360 >> They gave it away in 1979 in the peace 00:12:06.159 --> 00:12:08.399 agreement. 00:12:07.360 --> 00:12:11.680 >> Um, 00:12:08.399 --> 00:12:14.240 >> but okay. So, we whatever you call it, 00:12:11.679 --> 00:12:16.638 the land that was taken from Jordan in 00:12:14.240 --> 00:12:19.120 1967, you call it Judea and Samaria. 00:12:16.639 --> 00:12:20.959 There's a significance to that that I 00:12:19.120 --> 00:12:24.000 >> don't fully understand. I'm against it. 00:12:20.958 --> 00:12:26.000 I don't know what it it's 80% of the 00:12:24.000 --> 00:12:27.519 Bible happened in Judea and Samaria. But 00:12:26.000 --> 00:12:30.320 we've also established that the Bible 00:12:27.519 --> 00:12:32.720 gives Jews the right to occupy the land 00:12:30.320 --> 00:12:35.600 from the Nile to the Euphrates. So I'm 00:12:32.720 --> 00:12:37.200 very confused by why we've shrunk the 00:12:35.600 --> 00:12:40.159 land and why we're dis 00:12:37.200 --> 00:12:41.920 >> Israel has shrunk the land. They have 00:12:40.159 --> 00:12:42.319 made that decision. That's why they gave 00:12:41.919 --> 00:12:48.159 away. 00:12:42.320 --> 00:12:49.920 >> Now my land given away a lot of things. 00:12:48.159 --> 00:12:51.278 >> Abram's descendants are the ones who 00:12:49.919 --> 00:12:52.159 have the right to have this land. 00:12:51.278 --> 00:12:52.720 Correct. 00:12:52.159 --> 00:12:55.120 >> Yes. 00:12:52.720 --> 00:12:56.879 >> Okay. Why don't we do genetic testing on 00:12:55.120 --> 00:12:58.720 everybody in the land and find out who 00:12:56.879 --> 00:13:00.320 Abram's descendants are? It's really 00:12:58.720 --> 00:13:02.639 simple. We've cracked the human genome. 00:13:00.320 --> 00:13:05.360 We can do that. Why don't we do that? 00:13:02.639 --> 00:13:08.639 Would you be against doing that? 00:13:05.360 --> 00:13:09.919 >> I I have no idea what that would prove. 00:13:08.639 --> 00:13:11.039 I mean, maybe it would be 00:13:09.919 --> 00:13:12.719 >> What do you mean what it would? It would 00:13:11.039 --> 00:13:15.919 prove who Abram's descendants are and 00:13:12.720 --> 00:13:17.680 who has a a right to live here and who 00:13:15.919 --> 00:13:20.319 doesn't according to the theology that 00:13:17.679 --> 00:13:22.078 you yourself just explained. And so I'm 00:13:20.320 --> 00:13:24.399 very confused as to why we don't do 00:13:22.078 --> 00:13:26.078 that. If you believe the theology that 00:13:24.399 --> 00:13:28.078 you've just explained to me, would we do 00:13:26.078 --> 00:13:29.599 that all over the world? Everybody, 00:13:28.078 --> 00:13:32.078 >> this is the only country in the world 00:13:29.600 --> 00:13:34.959 that you've said has 00:13:32.078 --> 00:13:37.199 this covenant with God, that this people 00:13:34.958 --> 00:13:37.759 have a moral and legal right to the 00:13:37.200 --> 00:13:39.040 land. 00:13:37.759 --> 00:13:40.958 >> What about people who convert to 00:13:39.039 --> 00:13:43.439 Judaism? Would they have a right? 00:13:40.958 --> 00:13:46.719 >> Well, you've just 00:13:43.440 --> 00:13:47.120 you've just said to Judaism, so you just 00:13:46.720 --> 00:13:48.879 told me 00:13:47.120 --> 00:13:52.159 >> they can make aliyah. They may not have 00:13:48.879 --> 00:13:54.639 you just told me that it doesn't matter. 00:13:52.159 --> 00:13:55.120 You told me moments ago, trying to keep 00:13:54.639 --> 00:13:55.440 track, 00:13:55.120 --> 00:13:57.600 >> okay, 00:13:55.440 --> 00:13:59.760 >> that it doesn't matter whether or not 00:13:57.600 --> 00:14:01.920 you believe in God or whether or not you 00:13:59.759 --> 00:14:03.919 practice Torah Judaism or rabbitic 00:14:01.919 --> 00:14:05.838 Judaism, which is something else that I 00:14:03.919 --> 00:14:08.078 I don't even know if we should I don't 00:14:05.839 --> 00:14:09.199 even know what that means. But it 00:14:08.078 --> 00:14:12.479 doesn't matter whether you're quote a 00:14:09.198 --> 00:14:16.399 religious Jew or not. What matters is 00:14:12.480 --> 00:14:19.120 that you are part of the Jewish people 00:14:16.399 --> 00:14:21.679 to whom God gave this land that extends 00:14:19.120 --> 00:14:23.679 from the Nile to the Euphrates. And so 00:14:21.679 --> 00:14:26.479 if you believe that, wouldn't you want 00:14:23.679 --> 00:14:28.319 to know with a burning passion who those 00:14:26.480 --> 00:14:31.120 people are? And because of science, we 00:14:28.320 --> 00:14:34.240 can now know who those people are. 00:14:31.120 --> 00:14:36.879 >> So why aren't we finding out? 00:14:34.240 --> 00:14:38.639 >> I guess you could propose a DNA test for 00:14:36.879 --> 00:14:39.838 everybody who comes here, everybody who 00:14:38.639 --> 00:14:41.120 lives here. But the point 00:14:39.839 --> 00:14:43.920 >> I'm comfortable with secular nation 00:14:41.120 --> 00:14:46.159 states where it's none of this is done 00:14:43.919 --> 00:14:47.599 on the basis of blood. I'm uncomfortable 00:14:46.159 --> 00:14:49.679 with that. I'll just say that. But there 00:14:47.600 --> 00:14:52.480 are people who may not have bloodlines 00:14:49.679 --> 00:14:53.838 but who have converted to Judaism. 00:14:52.480 --> 00:14:54.879 Are they going to be able to live here? 00:14:53.839 --> 00:14:56.720 Are you going to kick them out? 00:14:54.879 --> 00:14:59.360 >> By your standards, they can't live here 00:14:56.720 --> 00:15:01.199 because you just said that they have a 00:14:59.360 --> 00:15:03.278 right to live here because God gave them 00:15:01.198 --> 00:15:03.919 the land because they're the descendants 00:15:03.278 --> 00:15:05.759 of Abram. 00:15:03.919 --> 00:15:07.278 >> They're the descendants of Abraham. But 00:15:05.759 --> 00:15:09.919 if they're the spiritual descendants of 00:15:07.278 --> 00:15:13.439 Abraham and they've now decided that 00:15:09.919 --> 00:15:14.879 they're converting to Judaism, 00:15:13.440 --> 00:15:17.680 then do they have a right to live in 00:15:14.879 --> 00:15:20.078 Israel? I well there's a whole legal 00:15:17.679 --> 00:15:23.679 literature in Israel on that question 00:15:20.078 --> 00:15:26.958 and my understanding is that certain 00:15:23.679 --> 00:15:29.838 types of modern Judaism qualify a person 00:15:26.958 --> 00:15:32.159 and other types don't is that your 00:15:29.839 --> 00:15:34.000 understanding 00:15:32.159 --> 00:15:36.078 >> I don't believe that people converted 00:15:34.000 --> 00:15:37.919 and I could have this wrong but I know 00:15:36.078 --> 00:15:39.838 people who've faced this personally know 00:15:37.919 --> 00:15:43.439 people I don't believe people who've 00:15:39.839 --> 00:15:45.440 converted in a reform synagogue have the 00:15:43.440 --> 00:15:46.480 right of return. I I don't think that is 00:15:45.440 --> 00:15:48.720 because I know people who've married 00:15:46.480 --> 00:15:51.360 into Jewish families and they find out 00:15:48.720 --> 00:15:55.639 they don't have the right of return. 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