1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,919 Who are the people? 2 00:00:01,839 --> 00:00:05,839 >> Who who are the modern? Yes. Who are who 3 00:00:03,919 --> 00:00:07,359 are the descendants? So, we know and I 4 00:00:05,839 --> 00:00:09,679 believe and I agree with you as a 5 00:00:07,359 --> 00:00:13,120 Christian that God promised 6 00:00:09,679 --> 00:00:16,160 >> this land from modern day Iraq to modern 7 00:00:13,119 --> 00:00:18,079 day Egypt to this people, the Jews, to 8 00:00:16,160 --> 00:00:21,839 Abram's actually not to the to Abram's 9 00:00:18,079 --> 00:00:23,439 descendants as it says in Genesis 15. 10 00:00:21,839 --> 00:00:24,559 Who are his descendants now? And how do 11 00:00:23,439 --> 00:00:26,000 we know who they are? 12 00:00:24,559 --> 00:00:27,599 >> I think they're the Jews. And we know 13 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:29,759 who they are because they've always been 14 00:00:27,599 --> 00:00:31,920 a Jewish people. There has been an 15 00:00:29,760 --> 00:00:35,359 unbroken line of Jewish people and 16 00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:37,520 they've lived in this land for 3,800 17 00:00:35,359 --> 00:00:39,039 years. Sometimes not very many of them 18 00:00:37,520 --> 00:00:40,800 because they were chased out all over 19 00:00:39,039 --> 00:00:42,399 the world. They were hunted down. They 20 00:00:40,799 --> 00:00:45,199 were almost annihilated during the 21 00:00:42,399 --> 00:00:46,320 Holocaust. They came back to this day. 22 00:00:45,200 --> 00:00:47,840 Tucker, they represent, you know, how 23 00:00:46,320 --> 00:00:50,320 many Jews there are in the whole world. 24 00:00:47,840 --> 00:00:52,239 >> Please, I understand. First of all, the 25 00:00:50,320 --> 00:00:54,640 greatest genocide of Jews no one ever 26 00:00:52,238 --> 00:00:57,198 mentions was by the Romans where they 27 00:00:54,640 --> 00:00:58,160 were literally banned from Jerusalem for 28 00:00:57,198 --> 00:00:59,119 500 years. 29 00:00:58,159 --> 00:01:01,119 >> Yeah. Of course. 30 00:00:59,119 --> 00:01:02,878 >> And and it's all awful. And I'm opposed 31 00:01:01,119 --> 00:01:04,878 to all of that. I'm opposed to mass 32 00:01:02,878 --> 00:01:05,359 killing of anybody. Period. I'm opposed 33 00:01:04,879 --> 00:01:06,560 to 34 00:01:05,359 --> 00:01:07,200 >> you say that. 35 00:01:06,560 --> 00:01:07,439 >> I mean it. 36 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:10,400 >> Yeah. 37 00:01:07,438 --> 00:01:13,039 >> And I hope I believe that. 38 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:14,640 >> My question is, and it's not a bumper 39 00:01:13,040 --> 00:01:17,360 sticker answer. It's a sincere answer. 40 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:19,280 How do we know? Because what you're 41 00:01:17,359 --> 00:01:22,719 >> saying is that certain people have a 42 00:01:19,280 --> 00:01:24,719 title to a highly contested region. They 43 00:01:22,719 --> 00:01:26,798 own it in some deep sense. 44 00:01:24,719 --> 00:01:29,118 >> So I think it's fair to ask, who are 45 00:01:26,799 --> 00:01:31,759 they? And how do we know? So the current 46 00:01:29,118 --> 00:01:33,920 prime minister's ancestors weren't from 47 00:01:31,759 --> 00:01:36,959 here within recorded history. They're he 48 00:01:33,920 --> 00:01:38,000 has no deed. BB Netanyahu on one side is 49 00:01:36,959 --> 00:01:40,879 families from Poland. They're from 50 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:43,840 Eastern Europe. So how do we know that 51 00:01:40,879 --> 00:01:45,759 he has a connection to the people 52 00:01:43,840 --> 00:01:47,280 who God promised the land to Abram's 53 00:01:45,759 --> 00:01:49,280 descendants? How do we know that? Well, 54 00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:50,799 if you take the genealogies that come 55 00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:52,478 not only from the Old but the New 56 00:01:50,799 --> 00:01:54,880 Testament, you see that there is a 57 00:01:52,478 --> 00:01:56,319 historical connection through the 58 00:01:54,879 --> 00:01:59,438 entirety of the Old and the New 59 00:01:56,319 --> 00:02:00,798 Testament that details the Jewish 60 00:01:59,438 --> 00:02:02,559 connection to this land. 61 00:02:00,799 --> 00:02:05,040 >> Does that include his family? How do we 62 00:02:02,560 --> 00:02:07,680 know that if his family scattered? 63 00:02:05,040 --> 00:02:10,239 >> But how do we know it's the same people? 64 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:12,239 >> No. Why is that crazy? If if if you say 65 00:02:10,239 --> 00:02:13,920 to me if they speak the same language, 66 00:02:12,239 --> 00:02:16,080 if they worship the same God, if they 67 00:02:13,919 --> 00:02:18,318 follow the same Bible, if they follow 68 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:20,560 the same cultures and traditions and 69 00:02:18,318 --> 00:02:22,238 they always pray next year in Jerusalem 70 00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:24,719 and they pray for the peace of Jerusalem 71 00:02:22,239 --> 00:02:26,400 and they pray facing toward Jerusalem, 72 00:02:24,719 --> 00:02:27,598 does that not give you a little bit of a 73 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:28,879 clue as to who they are? Let's go 74 00:02:27,598 --> 00:02:30,238 through those things because I would 75 00:02:28,878 --> 00:02:31,679 like to have a rational This is the 76 00:02:30,239 --> 00:02:33,439 conversation I've wanted. Bless you. 77 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:35,840 Thank you for doing this. 78 00:02:33,439 --> 00:02:37,280 >> Um, let's just go through those things. 79 00:02:35,840 --> 00:02:38,878 >> Okay. So, one of the things I admire 80 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:42,318 most about Israel is they resurrected a 81 00:02:38,878 --> 00:02:44,399 dead language in 1948. Good for them. 82 00:02:42,318 --> 00:02:46,079 >> Well, they really didn't resurrect it. 83 00:02:44,400 --> 00:02:47,920 It It was existent. 84 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:49,599 >> Okay. I'm not That's not That's a 85 00:02:47,919 --> 00:02:50,878 compliment. I'm not slight no. But it is 86 00:02:49,598 --> 00:02:53,598 the first time in all of human history 87 00:02:50,878 --> 00:02:56,000 that a language has survived through 88 00:02:53,598 --> 00:02:57,759 this length of time. It's it's it's I 89 00:02:56,000 --> 00:03:00,400 would call it You might not, but I would 90 00:02:57,759 --> 00:03:02,000 call it a miracle. One of many, 91 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:03,200 >> okay, that you can attribute to this. 92 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:05,519 >> I think it's wonderful as someone who 93 00:03:03,199 --> 00:03:08,000 loves language. Netanyahu's parents did 94 00:03:05,519 --> 00:03:11,200 not speak Hebrew. Okay? They didn't live 95 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:13,120 in this region. Netanyahu, the founders 96 00:03:11,199 --> 00:03:14,878 of this country were mostly secular. 97 00:03:13,120 --> 00:03:16,319 Some of them were avowed atheists. They 98 00:03:14,878 --> 00:03:17,199 were not praying for the peace of 99 00:03:16,318 --> 00:03:19,439 Jerusalem. They weren't praying at all 100 00:03:17,199 --> 00:03:21,359 because they didn't believe in God. 101 00:03:19,439 --> 00:03:24,639 >> There's no genealogy linking their 102 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:27,360 families to the people of this land 103 00:03:24,639 --> 00:03:29,279 3,000 years ago. They're none. So, how 104 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:31,280 do we know since they didn't share a 105 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:34,239 language? They didn't share a religion. 106 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:37,840 They had no religion whatsoever. 107 00:03:34,239 --> 00:03:40,719 How do we know that they had a right to 108 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:42,319 come here from Eastern Europe? And 109 00:03:40,719 --> 00:03:44,000 >> but they were scattered. 110 00:03:42,318 --> 00:03:46,079 >> They were scattered to Eastern Europe. 111 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:47,519 They were scattered all over the world. 112 00:03:46,080 --> 00:03:49,760 There were many in Ethiopia. They were 113 00:03:47,519 --> 00:03:52,239 in Russia. They were in Poland. 114 00:03:49,759 --> 00:03:53,840 >> They were throughout Asia. 115 00:03:52,239 --> 00:03:56,000 >> Jews were all over the place, but they 116 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:56,640 were still Jews. But they were still 117 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:58,400 Jews. 118 00:03:56,639 --> 00:04:00,719 >> Okay. So, let me get to the nub of the 119 00:03:58,400 --> 00:04:02,480 question since again, a lot is at stake. 120 00:04:00,719 --> 00:04:04,239 A lot of money is at stake. land is very 121 00:04:02,479 --> 00:04:05,919 valuable. 122 00:04:04,239 --> 00:04:06,959 Uh, Israel has a lot of resources. By 123 00:04:05,919 --> 00:04:08,238 the way, if you're accused of a crime, 124 00:04:06,959 --> 00:04:10,799 you can hide here. That's pretty good 125 00:04:08,239 --> 00:04:14,878 passport to have. It's a good thing, 126 00:04:10,799 --> 00:04:16,879 right? So, who's entitled to it? I don't 127 00:04:14,878 --> 00:04:18,079 understand. And you're very discouraged 128 00:04:16,879 --> 00:04:19,680 in the United States from asking this 129 00:04:18,079 --> 00:04:20,799 question for some reason. It's a totally 130 00:04:19,680 --> 00:04:22,319 rational discourage. 131 00:04:20,798 --> 00:04:23,439 >> No, you're not discouraging. Others do. 132 00:04:22,319 --> 00:04:24,639 You're like the only person I have this 133 00:04:23,439 --> 00:04:26,000 conversation with. Every be like, "Shut 134 00:04:24,639 --> 00:04:28,639 up, Nazi." 135 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:31,680 >> It It's a foundational question. Are you 136 00:04:28,639 --> 00:04:33,040 speaking of an ethnic group or a 137 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:35,120 religious group? 138 00:04:33,040 --> 00:04:37,439 >> Well, I think you're looking at for many 139 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:40,319 people it is religious. There are people 140 00:04:37,439 --> 00:04:42,079 who may not have a deep religious 141 00:04:40,319 --> 00:04:42,879 connection to Judaism, but they're still 142 00:04:42,079 --> 00:04:44,560 Jews. 143 00:04:42,879 --> 00:04:46,800 >> Okay? So, it's it's an ethnic category. 144 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:49,120 >> It is ethnic, but it is also religious. 145 00:04:46,800 --> 00:04:50,800 It is rooted in religion. You can't take 146 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:52,079 it out of it. Now, that means 147 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:53,120 >> then how can an atheist 148 00:04:52,079 --> 00:04:54,879 >> Well, I will tell you this. There are 149 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:56,800 some people who say, "I'm Christian." 150 00:04:54,879 --> 00:04:58,800 They never go to church. They never 151 00:04:56,800 --> 00:04:59,439 pray. They never read their Bible. They 152 00:04:58,800 --> 00:05:00,800 don't tithe. 153 00:04:59,439 --> 00:05:02,000 >> But they're not entitled to citizenship 154 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:04,000 on the basis of that. They're not 155 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:07,120 entitled to they still call themselves 156 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:08,800 Christian. Even though they identify 157 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:14,079 here's the difference. You're saying 158 00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:18,000 that people who have this identification 159 00:05:14,079 --> 00:05:21,758 have a deed to a huge chunk of land on 160 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:23,279 the Mediterranean. Okay. So there's, you 161 00:05:21,759 --> 00:05:25,600 know, it's a it's a right. You keep 162 00:05:23,279 --> 00:05:27,119 telling me it's a right. And so it's 163 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:28,479 totally fair to say if you come to my 164 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:31,280 house and say I've got the title to your 165 00:05:28,478 --> 00:05:33,360 house, I get to ask, may I see it? 166 00:05:31,279 --> 00:05:34,799 Where'd you get it? And that's exactly 167 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:36,960 what happened here. People from Europe, 168 00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:40,240 Eastern Europe, came here. In a lot of 169 00:05:36,959 --> 00:05:41,839 cases, atheists and kicked out a lot of 170 00:05:40,240 --> 00:05:44,478 people who lived here land. 171 00:05:41,839 --> 00:05:44,799 >> Well, they did not just throw people 172 00:05:44,478 --> 00:05:45,839 out. 173 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:47,120 >> They bought a lot of land. There's no 174 00:05:45,839 --> 00:05:50,478 question about that. Buy a lot of land, 175 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:52,639 >> but they also in 1948 kicked out a lot 176 00:05:50,478 --> 00:05:54,159 of people in the war. 177 00:05:52,639 --> 00:05:56,160 >> It was a war. I agree. I'm not, look, 178 00:05:54,160 --> 00:05:57,280 I'm not want to relitigate the history. 179 00:05:56,160 --> 00:05:57,759 I'm just saying it's a fact. 180 00:05:57,279 --> 00:05:59,679 >> Okay? 181 00:05:57,759 --> 00:06:01,120 >> Including a lot of Christians, a lot of 182 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:02,720 Christians 183 00:06:01,120 --> 00:06:04,000 >> uh wound up fleeing 184 00:06:02,720 --> 00:06:06,080 >> and they lost their homes and they've 185 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:08,639 never been allowed back. And all of this 186 00:06:06,079 --> 00:06:12,079 was justified on the basis of this 187 00:06:08,639 --> 00:06:14,079 identity that forms that is the ticket 188 00:06:12,079 --> 00:06:15,680 to the right that you keep referring to. 189 00:06:14,079 --> 00:06:17,199 So my question is very simple. I'm going 190 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:19,120 to wait patiently for an answer. Does 191 00:06:17,199 --> 00:06:20,720 this right derive from religious 192 00:06:19,120 --> 00:06:22,639 affiliation 193 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:24,639 or from genetics? And I would say it's 194 00:06:22,639 --> 00:06:26,400 both. But I would also say that when you 195 00:06:24,639 --> 00:06:28,800 said the Christians were kicked out, 196 00:06:26,399 --> 00:06:29,359 Tucker, Christianity is growing in 197 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:31,280 Israel. 198 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:33,038 >> Okay. But and and there is a big lie 199 00:06:31,279 --> 00:06:34,959 that goes out there. But but no, let me 200 00:06:33,038 --> 00:06:37,199 finish this because I I keep hearing 201 00:06:34,959 --> 00:06:38,879 that Christians are 202 00:06:37,199 --> 00:06:40,560 >> really not treated well in Israel. 203 00:06:38,879 --> 00:06:42,319 That's just simply that's a lie. 204 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:42,639 >> Well, there are lots there are lots of 205 00:06:42,319 --> 00:06:44,479 different 206 00:06:42,639 --> 00:06:47,199 >> There were 34,000 Christians in Israel 207 00:06:44,478 --> 00:06:47,918 in 1948. There are 184,000 Christians 208 00:06:47,199 --> 00:06:50,720 here today. 209 00:06:47,918 --> 00:06:52,799 >> And by Israel, what are you counting? 210 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:54,160 You talking about the land? 211 00:06:52,800 --> 00:06:56,400 >> What? What? What territory? Are you 212 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:58,800 counting? You're counting Israel proper? 213 00:06:56,399 --> 00:07:00,560 Are you counting the West Bank as well 214 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:02,478 and Gaza? I mean, what what do you when 215 00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:03,439 you say Israel, those numbers apply to 216 00:07:02,478 --> 00:07:05,279 what land mass? 217 00:07:03,439 --> 00:07:07,279 >> It would be in Israel proper. Okay, 218 00:07:05,279 --> 00:07:09,359 there 184,000. 219 00:07:07,279 --> 00:07:11,439 >> Now, I'll tell you where Christians are 220 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:13,120 not doing very well. They're not doing 221 00:07:11,439 --> 00:07:16,079 very well in the Muslim control 222 00:07:13,120 --> 00:07:18,560 countries. There's almost no Christians 223 00:07:16,079 --> 00:07:20,560 in Qatar, for example, except those who 224 00:07:18,560 --> 00:07:21,519 live in the Christian ghetto who are the 225 00:07:20,560 --> 00:07:23,038 service workers. 226 00:07:21,519 --> 00:07:24,240 >> I'm sorry. Look, I don't want to argue 227 00:07:23,038 --> 00:07:25,680 with you. There there are many more 228 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:26,319 Christians in Qatar than there are in 229 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:27,280 Israel. 230 00:07:26,319 --> 00:07:28,960 >> That's not true. 231 00:07:27,279 --> 00:07:30,559 >> What it actually is true and I refer you 232 00:07:28,959 --> 00:07:31,839 to Wikipedia, Mr. Ambassador. 233 00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:33,519 >> Wikipedia that 234 00:07:31,839 --> 00:07:34,638 >> I refer you to the government of Qar, 235 00:07:33,519 --> 00:07:36,560 the government of Israel. These are 236 00:07:34,639 --> 00:07:38,079 knowable facts. Like I'm And I'm in 237 00:07:36,560 --> 00:07:39,519 Jordan by the numbers are down. In 238 00:07:38,079 --> 00:07:41,279 Syria, the numbers are down. In Lebanon, 239 00:07:39,519 --> 00:07:42,959 the numbers are down. just tell you that 240 00:07:41,279 --> 00:07:45,038 >> about twice as many Christians, 241 00:07:42,959 --> 00:07:47,680 >> but they live in the enclave. They are 242 00:07:45,038 --> 00:07:49,120 not native Qataris. 243 00:07:47,680 --> 00:07:50,240 >> Okay, we're we're mixing so many 244 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:51,680 different categories here. I'm just 245 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:52,800 saying I get things wrong all the time. 246 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:53,918 You've just gotten something wrong. And 247 00:07:52,800 --> 00:07:55,199 I think it's important to acknowledge 248 00:07:53,918 --> 00:07:56,719 it. There are many more Christians in 249 00:07:55,199 --> 00:07:58,478 Qar than there are in Israel. Fact. 250 00:07:56,720 --> 00:08:00,080 >> How many? 251 00:07:58,478 --> 00:08:01,519 >> Now, you caught me. I don't know. I 252 00:08:00,079 --> 00:08:03,519 could look at my phone, but I was just 253 00:08:01,519 --> 00:08:06,719 there and there many more like whatever. 254 00:08:03,519 --> 00:08:08,240 But I just want to get to the point 255 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:11,199 that forms the basis of this whole 256 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:12,079 conversation which is who has a right to 257 00:08:11,199 --> 00:08:12,639 the land. 258 00:08:12,079 --> 00:08:14,478 >> Yeah. 259 00:08:12,639 --> 00:08:17,439 >> And you said it's a mixture of religion 260 00:08:14,478 --> 00:08:19,519 and ethnicity because as I noted and you 261 00:08:17,439 --> 00:08:20,639 agree many of the founders maybe the 262 00:08:19,519 --> 00:08:22,240 majority of the founders of modern 263 00:08:20,639 --> 00:08:23,680 Israel did not believe in God at all. So 264 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:24,560 they were not religious Jews. They 265 00:08:23,680 --> 00:08:26,319 weren't religious at all. They were 266 00:08:24,560 --> 00:08:28,160 atheists. They said they were atheists. 267 00:08:26,319 --> 00:08:30,960 I believe them. 268 00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:32,399 >> So that suggests it's ethnic. But it's 269 00:08:30,959 --> 00:08:33,598 also true, as you well know, because 270 00:08:32,399 --> 00:08:36,559 there was a famous court case about 271 00:08:33,599 --> 00:08:38,640 this, that ethnic Jews who convert to 272 00:08:36,559 --> 00:08:40,399 Christianity do not have the right of 273 00:08:38,639 --> 00:08:42,319 return. That was settled by the Israeli 274 00:08:40,399 --> 00:08:44,399 Supreme Court. 275 00:08:42,320 --> 00:08:47,680 I'm very confused. So, that would 276 00:08:44,399 --> 00:08:49,600 suggest it's not ethnicity because you 277 00:08:47,679 --> 00:08:50,319 invalidate your Jewishness by converting 278 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:52,560 to Christianity. 279 00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:54,480 >> There are a number of Messianic Jews who 280 00:08:52,559 --> 00:08:56,000 live in Israel, 281 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:57,519 who are here. I'm aware of this. I'm 282 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:59,600 aware of that number, but you're not 283 00:08:57,519 --> 00:09:02,159 contesting what I'm saying because it's 284 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:04,480 a very famous court case. 285 00:09:02,159 --> 00:09:06,799 >> The right of return has to do with your 286 00:09:04,480 --> 00:09:08,560 mother, your grandmother. It has to do 287 00:09:06,799 --> 00:09:10,799 with family ties. Ethnic 288 00:09:08,559 --> 00:09:12,799 >> there is a lot of sure ethnicity is a 289 00:09:10,799 --> 00:09:16,079 big part of the right of return to make 290 00:09:12,799 --> 00:09:18,079 aliyah to come to Israel to live here. 291 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:21,360 Then if I if both of your parents are 292 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:22,639 Jewish and you have an ethnic right to 293 00:09:21,360 --> 00:09:24,159 land, you are one of Abram's 294 00:09:22,639 --> 00:09:26,080 descendants, 295 00:09:24,159 --> 00:09:27,519 but you convert to Christianity. How is 296 00:09:26,080 --> 00:09:28,560 it you don't have the right to return? 297 00:09:27,519 --> 00:09:30,720 I'm totally confused. 298 00:09:28,559 --> 00:09:33,759 >> But I know a number of people who have 299 00:09:30,720 --> 00:09:34,480 returned as Christians, but have Jewish 300 00:09:33,759 --> 00:09:37,439 history. 301 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:41,200 >> Are you saying that Jews who convert to 302 00:09:37,440 --> 00:09:42,320 Christianity have a right, a legal right 303 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:45,440 to return? Cuz I 304 00:09:42,320 --> 00:09:47,600 >> I know that they do. Whether when you 305 00:09:45,440 --> 00:09:48,320 say do they have a right to return do 306 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:50,000 they prove 307 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:53,200 >> it's a it's a legal category as in any 308 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:55,759 government by their family history their 309 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:57,519 grandmother their mother and there are 310 00:09:55,759 --> 00:09:59,039 many aspects of that 311 00:09:57,519 --> 00:10:01,120 >> I've read it I think I know that these 312 00:09:59,039 --> 00:10:04,480 were people who were Christian and they 313 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:08,240 came here made aliyah they had Jewish 314 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:11,278 blood Jewish history they were Christian 315 00:10:08,240 --> 00:10:12,399 messianic but they came here and they 316 00:10:11,278 --> 00:10:14,879 were welcomed here 317 00:10:12,399 --> 00:10:17,440 >> and they were given full legal rights 318 00:10:14,879 --> 00:10:19,600 and a passport. So, so clearly 319 00:10:17,440 --> 00:10:21,440 >> that's not it's not true that you 320 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:22,800 invalidate your right of return by 321 00:10:21,440 --> 00:10:23,839 converting to Christianity. That's just 322 00:10:22,799 --> 00:10:25,599 false. 323 00:10:23,839 --> 00:10:27,120 >> I'm not aware of that. I I know that 324 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:28,639 there are a number of Christians here. I 325 00:10:27,120 --> 00:10:29,200 go to church with Christians every week 326 00:10:28,639 --> 00:10:31,439 here. 327 00:10:29,200 --> 00:10:34,720 >> Of course. But do you have a right to 328 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:36,399 come and say I am an ethnic Jew even 329 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:38,480 though I practice Christianity. 330 00:10:36,399 --> 00:10:40,879 Therefore, I have every bit as much 331 00:10:38,480 --> 00:10:42,639 right to move into a settlement in the 332 00:10:40,879 --> 00:10:46,000 West Bank or into East Jerusale or 333 00:10:42,639 --> 00:10:48,399 anywhere I want, Galilee, anywhere 334 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:50,078 because I am returning to the land of my 335 00:10:48,399 --> 00:10:51,440 forefathers of a legal right in the 336 00:10:50,078 --> 00:10:52,958 state of Israel even though I've 337 00:10:51,440 --> 00:10:53,839 converted to Christianity. You're saying 338 00:10:52,958 --> 00:10:55,759 that's true. 339 00:10:53,839 --> 00:10:57,839 >> I'm saying I know people have done it. 340 00:10:55,759 --> 00:10:59,439 Now, can can I tell you what the law 341 00:10:57,839 --> 00:11:01,760 specifically is? I'm not sure because 342 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:03,120 >> Well, it's really a Christian. I'm not I 343 00:11:01,759 --> 00:11:05,838 don't have any Jewish roots, so 344 00:11:03,120 --> 00:11:07,039 therefore I cannot quote you the law. If 345 00:11:05,839 --> 00:11:08,800 you want me to do that, I'll look at 346 00:11:07,039 --> 00:11:10,719 >> Well, it really matters because you're 347 00:11:08,799 --> 00:11:14,240 saying, in fact, people in the United 348 00:11:10,720 --> 00:11:17,600 States are being called anti-semites. 349 00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:19,680 >> A lot of them, including me, because 350 00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:21,759 they somehow don't believe that Israel 351 00:11:19,679 --> 00:11:23,278 has a right to this land. 352 00:11:21,759 --> 00:11:23,600 >> Do you think Israel has a right to this 353 00:11:23,278 --> 00:11:25,278 land? 354 00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:27,040 >> No. You haven't defined what the land 355 00:11:25,278 --> 00:11:28,480 is, and you haven't defined who Israel 356 00:11:27,039 --> 00:11:30,159 is, so I really don't know. 357 00:11:28,480 --> 00:11:31,759 >> No, it is the land they're living in 358 00:11:30,159 --> 00:11:33,600 now. The borders that they have, 359 00:11:31,759 --> 00:11:35,120 >> the borders are moving. The borders have 360 00:11:33,600 --> 00:11:36,240 moved in the last year. 361 00:11:35,120 --> 00:11:36,639 >> What do you mean the borders have moved 362 00:11:36,240 --> 00:11:39,039 in the last 363 00:11:36,639 --> 00:11:41,199 >> Well, they they are the 1967 borders. 364 00:11:39,039 --> 00:11:44,719 I'm including, you know, the the West 365 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:46,000 >> East Jerusalem and Judea and Samaria. 366 00:11:44,720 --> 00:11:47,120 >> What are the borders of Judea and 367 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:50,159 Samaria? 368 00:11:47,120 --> 00:11:54,078 >> Well, you basically take the Jordan 369 00:11:50,159 --> 00:11:56,639 River and it's west of the Jordan River 370 00:11:54,078 --> 00:11:59,599 to the Mediterranean Sea to the Lebanon 371 00:11:56,639 --> 00:12:02,480 border and uh Israel did have control of 372 00:11:59,600 --> 00:12:03,360 the Sinai. They gave that to Egypt. They 373 00:12:02,480 --> 00:12:03,920 had control of it, 374 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:06,159 >> right? 375 00:12:03,919 --> 00:12:07,360 >> They gave it away in 1979 in the peace 376 00:12:06,159 --> 00:12:08,399 agreement. 377 00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:11,680 >> Um, 378 00:12:08,399 --> 00:12:14,240 >> but okay. So, we whatever you call it, 379 00:12:11,679 --> 00:12:16,638 the land that was taken from Jordan in 380 00:12:14,240 --> 00:12:19,120 1967, you call it Judea and Samaria. 381 00:12:16,639 --> 00:12:20,959 There's a significance to that that I 382 00:12:19,120 --> 00:12:24,000 >> don't fully understand. I'm against it. 383 00:12:20,958 --> 00:12:26,000 I don't know what it it's 80% of the 384 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:27,519 Bible happened in Judea and Samaria. But 385 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:30,320 we've also established that the Bible 386 00:12:27,519 --> 00:12:32,720 gives Jews the right to occupy the land 387 00:12:30,320 --> 00:12:35,600 from the Nile to the Euphrates. So I'm 388 00:12:32,720 --> 00:12:37,200 very confused by why we've shrunk the 389 00:12:35,600 --> 00:12:40,159 land and why we're dis 390 00:12:37,200 --> 00:12:41,920 >> Israel has shrunk the land. They have 391 00:12:40,159 --> 00:12:42,319 made that decision. That's why they gave 392 00:12:41,919 --> 00:12:48,159 away. 393 00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:49,920 >> Now my land given away a lot of things. 394 00:12:48,159 --> 00:12:51,278 >> Abram's descendants are the ones who 395 00:12:49,919 --> 00:12:52,159 have the right to have this land. 396 00:12:51,278 --> 00:12:52,720 Correct. 397 00:12:52,159 --> 00:12:55,120 >> Yes. 398 00:12:52,720 --> 00:12:56,879 >> Okay. Why don't we do genetic testing on 399 00:12:55,120 --> 00:12:58,720 everybody in the land and find out who 400 00:12:56,879 --> 00:13:00,320 Abram's descendants are? It's really 401 00:12:58,720 --> 00:13:02,639 simple. We've cracked the human genome. 402 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:05,360 We can do that. Why don't we do that? 403 00:13:02,639 --> 00:13:08,639 Would you be against doing that? 404 00:13:05,360 --> 00:13:09,919 >> I I have no idea what that would prove. 405 00:13:08,639 --> 00:13:11,039 I mean, maybe it would be 406 00:13:09,919 --> 00:13:12,719 >> What do you mean what it would? It would 407 00:13:11,039 --> 00:13:15,919 prove who Abram's descendants are and 408 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:17,680 who has a a right to live here and who 409 00:13:15,919 --> 00:13:20,319 doesn't according to the theology that 410 00:13:17,679 --> 00:13:22,078 you yourself just explained. And so I'm 411 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:24,399 very confused as to why we don't do 412 00:13:22,078 --> 00:13:26,078 that. If you believe the theology that 413 00:13:24,399 --> 00:13:28,078 you've just explained to me, would we do 414 00:13:26,078 --> 00:13:29,599 that all over the world? Everybody, 415 00:13:28,078 --> 00:13:32,078 >> this is the only country in the world 416 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:34,959 that you've said has 417 00:13:32,078 --> 00:13:37,199 this covenant with God, that this people 418 00:13:34,958 --> 00:13:37,759 have a moral and legal right to the 419 00:13:37,200 --> 00:13:39,040 land. 420 00:13:37,759 --> 00:13:40,958 >> What about people who convert to 421 00:13:39,039 --> 00:13:43,439 Judaism? Would they have a right? 422 00:13:40,958 --> 00:13:46,719 >> Well, you've just 423 00:13:43,440 --> 00:13:47,120 you've just said to Judaism, so you just 424 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:48,879 told me 425 00:13:47,120 --> 00:13:52,159 >> they can make aliyah. They may not have 426 00:13:48,879 --> 00:13:54,639 you just told me that it doesn't matter. 427 00:13:52,159 --> 00:13:55,120 You told me moments ago, trying to keep 428 00:13:54,639 --> 00:13:55,440 track, 429 00:13:55,120 --> 00:13:57,600 >> okay, 430 00:13:55,440 --> 00:13:59,760 >> that it doesn't matter whether or not 431 00:13:57,600 --> 00:14:01,920 you believe in God or whether or not you 432 00:13:59,759 --> 00:14:03,919 practice Torah Judaism or rabbitic 433 00:14:01,919 --> 00:14:05,838 Judaism, which is something else that I 434 00:14:03,919 --> 00:14:08,078 I don't even know if we should I don't 435 00:14:05,839 --> 00:14:09,199 even know what that means. But it 436 00:14:08,078 --> 00:14:12,479 doesn't matter whether you're quote a 437 00:14:09,198 --> 00:14:16,399 religious Jew or not. What matters is 438 00:14:12,480 --> 00:14:19,120 that you are part of the Jewish people 439 00:14:16,399 --> 00:14:21,679 to whom God gave this land that extends 440 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:23,679 from the Nile to the Euphrates. And so 441 00:14:21,679 --> 00:14:26,479 if you believe that, wouldn't you want 442 00:14:23,679 --> 00:14:28,319 to know with a burning passion who those 443 00:14:26,480 --> 00:14:31,120 people are? And because of science, we 444 00:14:28,320 --> 00:14:34,240 can now know who those people are. 445 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:36,879 >> So why aren't we finding out? 446 00:14:34,240 --> 00:14:38,639 >> I guess you could propose a DNA test for 447 00:14:36,879 --> 00:14:39,838 everybody who comes here, everybody who 448 00:14:38,639 --> 00:14:41,120 lives here. But the point 449 00:14:39,839 --> 00:14:43,920 >> I'm comfortable with secular nation 450 00:14:41,120 --> 00:14:46,159 states where it's none of this is done 451 00:14:43,919 --> 00:14:47,599 on the basis of blood. I'm uncomfortable 452 00:14:46,159 --> 00:14:49,679 with that. I'll just say that. But there 453 00:14:47,600 --> 00:14:52,480 are people who may not have bloodlines 454 00:14:49,679 --> 00:14:53,838 but who have converted to Judaism. 455 00:14:52,480 --> 00:14:54,879 Are they going to be able to live here? 456 00:14:53,839 --> 00:14:56,720 Are you going to kick them out? 457 00:14:54,879 --> 00:14:59,360 >> By your standards, they can't live here 458 00:14:56,720 --> 00:15:01,199 because you just said that they have a 459 00:14:59,360 --> 00:15:03,278 right to live here because God gave them 460 00:15:01,198 --> 00:15:03,919 the land because they're the descendants 461 00:15:03,278 --> 00:15:05,759 of Abram. 462 00:15:03,919 --> 00:15:07,278 >> They're the descendants of Abraham. But 463 00:15:05,759 --> 00:15:09,919 if they're the spiritual descendants of 464 00:15:07,278 --> 00:15:13,439 Abraham and they've now decided that 465 00:15:09,919 --> 00:15:14,879 they're converting to Judaism, 466 00:15:13,440 --> 00:15:17,680 then do they have a right to live in 467 00:15:14,879 --> 00:15:20,078 Israel? I well there's a whole legal 468 00:15:17,679 --> 00:15:23,679 literature in Israel on that question 469 00:15:20,078 --> 00:15:26,958 and my understanding is that certain 470 00:15:23,679 --> 00:15:29,838 types of modern Judaism qualify a person 471 00:15:26,958 --> 00:15:32,159 and other types don't is that your 472 00:15:29,839 --> 00:15:34,000 understanding 473 00:15:32,159 --> 00:15:36,078 >> I don't believe that people converted 474 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:37,919 and I could have this wrong but I know 475 00:15:36,078 --> 00:15:39,838 people who've faced this personally know 476 00:15:37,919 --> 00:15:43,439 people I don't believe people who've 477 00:15:39,839 --> 00:15:45,440 converted in a reform synagogue have the 478 00:15:43,440 --> 00:15:46,480 right of return. I I don't think that is 479 00:15:45,440 --> 00:15:48,720 because I know people who've married 480 00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:51,360 into Jewish families and they find out 481 00:15:48,720 --> 00:15:55,639 they don't have the right of return. So 482 00:15:51,360 --> 00:15:55,639 that is perplexing to me. 483 00:15:56,958 --> 00:16:00,239 Thanks for watching our YouTube channel. 484 00:15:58,559 --> 00:16:01,919 We hope you'll subscribe to it. And by 485 00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:04,240 the way, you can hit the little bell on 486 00:16:01,919 --> 00:16:06,159 there and get notifications every time 487 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:08,879 we produce a video. We hope you'll do 488 00:16:06,159 --> 00:16:08,879 that also.