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WHAT'S UP, GENTLEMEN? HEY, JOE. [music]

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Great to see you again, Bob. Same here.

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Long time.

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>> Luigi, Joe. Um you are still to this day

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the most watched ever podcast we have

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ever done that's on YouTube.

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>> That's That's just unreal. It's unreal.

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It is unreal cuz it shows you how many

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people are just absolutely fascinated by

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the story and what you guys have done in

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this new film

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is essentially recreate S-4 and using AI

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recreate you as a young man and these

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experiences that you had and it was

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really excellent. Luigi, uh you're the

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one who put the film together. You

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figured it all out and first of all,

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what was the technology that you guys

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used to recreate everything you guys

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did?

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>> I just want to say there's there's about

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10% AI in the film, but there's 90%

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Blender. And that's actually handmade

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CGI. So, everything you see is all

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handmade.

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And even the de-aging of Bob Lazar, we

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scanned Bob, we went over to his house,

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scanned his face, took a process of

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de-aging him through that, then creating

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a digital model of Bob in different

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ages, and then placing him in the

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environment. And then

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in some instances at the very end, we

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perfected or kind of put a bow on it

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with a little touch of AI, but the whole

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thing is handmade. So, the craft, the

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environment, the Papoose Lake, the the

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the facility, the equipment, and the

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people were all made. And some of the

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people are actually real actors that we

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put in there. So, it's not It's It's a

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There's One of the guys that is Barry in

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the film is a guy called Luis Martinez

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that's been working with me for the past

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10 years and he laughs at it cuz he

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says, "I can't believe I'm Barry." You

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know, so Does he look anything like

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Barry? Actually, he does. He does.

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That's why we chose him. Yeah, yeah.

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Where is Barry The actual Barry now?

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I don't know, you know, I kind of

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thought at one point after all this

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happened, we would at least hear from

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one of those guys.

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But, uh I never heard from anybody after

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you know, after the the initial

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the release of all the information,

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yeah.

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It seems like Well, I don't know. If

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people are able to keep secrets for this

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long, it's got to be very difficult to

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just blurt it out. Like, if you know, if

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you're holding on to a secret for 20,

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30, 40 years, you're

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It's like I guess these guys were

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lifers, though. Yeah. I mean, they spent

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most of their time there. They spent at

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least 2 weeks at a time and had 1 week

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off. So, they stayed at the base. I

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mean, these guys were hardcore.

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I had just come in on the project. You

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know, so um

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I don't know. I don't know what happened

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to him. I'd love to know.

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I suspect that Dennis Mariani, my

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supervisor, died. I've seen people track

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him down, you know, all the way to point

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to speaking to his family and they said,

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"Yeah, he had some classified job out in

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the desert or something." And they

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showed me his gravestone and stuff. So,

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you know, at least

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they were able to track him down, but

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I've never heard of any leads on Barry

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or Renee or anybody like that.

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What is it like seeing the recreation of

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it in a film? Cuz I mean, it essentially

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it was your

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direction, for lack of a better word,

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your description of it, you you telling

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them exactly every everything was laid

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out. And then once they recreated it,

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what is that feeling like when you watch

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it?

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Well, the final product is absolutely

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mind-blowing because as I've said to

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Luigi, it looks like you guys downloaded

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that out of my brain.

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I mean

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you know, you can describe something a

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hundred times and until you actually

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make a a picture, it doesn't become

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clear.

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But, uh you know, this took years. I

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think it was like five and a half years

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from when I first met Luigi and he said,

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"Yeah, I can do this." And um

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the quality kept improving to where he

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started showing me pictures and I went,

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"Jesus, that's That's really it. It's

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not really it. It's really it." And uh

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I mean, it it blew me away.

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Later on, he showed me a 3D environment

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where I could put goggles on and move

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around inside. I mean, that made the

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hair stand up on my arms. It was It was

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unbelievable. So, um

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I don't know if I could really describe

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how that made me feel, but it felt like

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I was teleported back there. And that's,

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you know, that's when really

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I developed an admiration for Luigi's

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talent. I said, you know, I'm behind

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this and uh flew out to Canada a couple

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times. I didn't have much to do with the

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film other than

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I guess a couple times going out there

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and going, "No, that's right. That's the

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wrong color. Move this here. Do that."

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And uh but those guys spent over 3 years

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working on it. And um

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you know, what they And they never

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showed me anything, you know, I'd speak

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to Luigi, you know, a couple times a

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month and you know, he'd always say,

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"You

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Oh my god, you won't believe this." I

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said, "Yeah,

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show me."

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Yeah, no, it's not It's not done yet.

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So, I really didn't get it to to see

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anything till close to the end, but when

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I did, um

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really, without trying to sound

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dramatic, it really put tears in my eyes

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going that it

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that's it. That's it. You You did it.

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Just stop. It's perfect. Why? So, I had

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the pleasure of watching the movie with

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you and sitting there with you where

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there was a bunch of times in the movie

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you're like

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Yeah, yeah.

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>> You could tell. Yeah. It is just like

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>> I could feel that place. I I could feel

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it watching that movie. It It It just It

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really freaks me out because

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as I've said before, it's not like what

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I saw. It's It's exactly what I saw. Um

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It's It's perfect. It's just like Luigi

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was at S-4 with a camera. So, um It's

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very

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>> It was. It's a It's a very unique

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documentary in that regard. And And

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watching it with you, seeing you

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experience this thing, and then me

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trying to imagine what it's like for

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you.

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You're this young scientist who gets

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brought in on this thing without much

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explanation, and then all of a sudden

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you're confronted by this craft. And you

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you know, the way it's broken down in

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the film and you get to actually see you

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viewing this thing and being in the

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presence of this thing for the first

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time. It's just I could just only

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imagine

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what that must have been like for you.

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And it's so weird to watch you watch it

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again and see your wheels spin. You're

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like, "What the happened [laughter]

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to my life, man? Right. What did they do

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to me? What did they

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What did they

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make me experience? Like, what the hell?

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Yeah, I

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I really can't fill in the blanks there.

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It's uh

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I I want to just say that there was a

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time when Bob got angry at me a lot cuz

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I wouldn't show him. And he was like,

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"Come on, show me." And I said, "It's

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not ready yet. I don't want to show you

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something." But, at a certain point, we

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had to.

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And Bob started remembering more stuff

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Yeah, yeah, that's true. Mhm. It It

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really made a big difference when he

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when he showed me some things and, you

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know, walking down the corridor here and

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turn, "Oh, stop. Wait, there's another

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door there." I mean, it was like I was

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going back into the facility and uh

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really brought I mean, actually seeing

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it again, uh really brought some things

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back that I that I had completely

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forgotten about. So, that

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you know. Well, what's really

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fascinating is

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for people that don't know your story,

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you came up with the story, you talked

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to George Knapp in Was it '89?

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'88. '88, '89, somewhere in there, yeah.

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So, late '80s, you essentially told the

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exact same story all these years. And

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then

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within the last, you know, 9, 10 years,

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we've started to get all these reports.

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There was the New York Times story,

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there was the GoFast video and the FLIR

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video, and all these videos that show a

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craft that's moving the way you

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described this sport model moving.

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Right. Which kind of freaked a lot of

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people out with the way it rotated and

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turned.

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>> Rotate Yeah, it does the belly roll,

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faces at the bottom towards where it's

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want to go, and then it it takes off and

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yeah. It's exactly how you described all

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those years ago, which is really

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crazy.

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Well, that's I mean, that's the way it

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was. But, it's just It's It's crazy

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because you had this story way, way, way

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back then and everybody's like, "This

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guy's just making things up. This is all

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cockamamie bullshit."

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And then you see those videos from these

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fighter jets and you're like, "Whoa.

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Wait a minute. This is It's moving the

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exact same way he described. It's doing

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what he described in 1989."

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Yeah.

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>> [snorts]

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>> Yeah.

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Um

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Time to take a drink. Cheers.

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>> [laughter]

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>> Cheers. Cuz it's so weird. I can't I

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mean, I've had so many conversations

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with people. And you know, one of the

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things that comes up is uh do you think

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Bob Lazar's telling the truth?

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And I say, "Look, I don't know. There's

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no way I can know, but he doesn't seem

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like he's lying. I've been around a lot

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of liars."

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>> Look, nobody can know unless you're

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there.

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You know, I'm the biggest skeptic of

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all. Although, if you look at Wikipedia,

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it says I'm a conspiracy

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theorist or something.

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>> Yeah, conspiracy theorist. I think it

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says I'm a far-right podcaster. Yeah,

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all right. I mean,

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>> [laughter]

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>> yeah, it's crazy. But,

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dog, I lost my train of thought

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now.

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Well, they that that if if you if like

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basically are you a conspiracy theorist?

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No, you don't even look at this stuff.

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>> Well, you've had if you have a lie, you

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have one lie. It's amazing cuz you've

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told the same one for all these years.

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>> It's a pretty detailed lie. It's also

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not normal. Like, normally when people

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lie, they get bored with the same lie

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and then they come up with another lie

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and then there's some other story.

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There's some You catch them. Eventually,

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you catch them. There's some cockamamie

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new thing that they come up with and

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it's the type of people that are that

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deceptive. I mean, it's just it doesn't

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make sense. It doesn't fit the standard

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model of someone

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>> Well, there are other people involved

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with it. I mean, uh you know, this is

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where the first time Gene Huff finally

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is on film, you know, cuz when I had the

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you know, the test flight information,

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um it was one of the not one of the was

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the first person I told about that and

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uh you know, we were all able to go out

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and and see it and so everybody knew

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that I wasn't crazy.

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Um

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it was And then also all the

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confirmation that you were being

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with. That you know, when you're in the

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gym, they would show up and open up your

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lock car doors and open up your trunk

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and leave it there so you'd go out there

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and see it.

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They'd go to your house when you weren't

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there. Yeah, they were even Right, they

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were even following George Knapp and and

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uh

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I mean, all of us. Anybody that had

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anything to do with it at that time. Uh

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they were keeping eyes on. It was uh Not

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just eyes, but a lot of intimidation

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tactics. Just letting you know

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letting you know that they could touch

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you. Yeah.

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To I I've really worked for decades to

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push this out of my mind. So, it's

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always tough to bring it back, you know,

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and and talk about it. And it's Yeah,

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although it might be funny now, it

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wasn't funny then at all. Um it was a

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really stressful time.

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And still

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is a very stressful thing for me. I know

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it's so many years ago, but do you

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remember the thought that came in your

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mind when you realized that it wasn't

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ours?

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Do I remember the thought? Do you

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remember the experience? Yeah, I

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remember I remember the feeling.

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>> Of recognize cuz initially, you saw the

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American flag sticking out.

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>> saw the American flag when I first went

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in it the first time I went in through

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the hangar door instead of around the

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back, um

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you know, I slid my hand across it, saw

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the American flag and I thought, "Oh my

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god, you know, this explains the UFO

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nuts, you know?" Um It's ours. Yeah,

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this is ours. This is a new top secret

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fighter. We can't with a new propulsion

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system and uh

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you know, it it explains everything

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because I never believed in flying

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saucers. I thought people were nuts.

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Um

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But, when they started reviewing

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everything with me, they were trying I

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was trying to replace somebody or they

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were trying to use me to replace

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somebody as quick as possible.

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And um

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they had two directives.

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One was to

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Directive one was to duplicate the

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technology with available material at

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any cost, which is exact verbatim what

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it was, and directive two was to be able

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to disable this technology at a distance

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at any cost.

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And

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you know, once you start thinking about

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that,

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Wait, don't you guys know how the thing

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you built worked? And it's kind of like

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they left that out. That this [laughter]

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this By the way, this isn't ours. And

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Barry is the guy that filled me in

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going, "No, no, no. This is an alien

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craft and

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we need to figure out how this works.

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Look at the technology here. I mean,

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this is decades, light years ahead of

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where we are.

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And uh

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I I it it it was a

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it was a shock, really, to me. I

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remember going home that night and just

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laying in bed and reviewing everything

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that everybody said that day. And uh

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I really don't remember

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how I felt

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the following days, but I it was just a

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different It was just a different

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feeling. Like the world just changed.

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>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it was

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I don't know. I really can't put it into

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words. Well, I couldn't imagine. I

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couldn't imagine what that experience is

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like. And it's also very strange that

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they would bring you in and not

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specifically state to you that this is

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not ours.

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They just bring you in and just give you

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a directive. This is your what you were

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trying to accomplish. Well, they gave me

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the they gave me a bunch of briefings.

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Everything was moving at a very fast

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pace and I don't know why. Um

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I think I mentioned in the movie

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uh

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right prior to I got there, there

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there were Russians involved in it. You

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know, from what I can ascertain, there

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was an exchange of information and then

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we discovered something, something of

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great importance. And of of course,

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kicked the Russians out and just held

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onto that information ourselves. And uh

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there was kind of a knowledge vacuum

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there. There was also an accident and I

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was told I was replacing someone

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uh

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that was injured. I believe he actually

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died. Um There's no record of who this

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person was or has anybody ever tried to

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figure out it out?

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>> I don't know. I don't have any names. I

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just know that Barry told me, you know,

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I'm replacing somebody that he used to

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work with and he was without a lab

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partner for a while. So, when I came in

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there, um How long's a while?

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I don't know, but I mean, that brings up

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a good point.

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First of all, we're dealing with alien

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or another civilization technology,

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whether it, you know, it's from another

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dimension, another time, another planet.

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I mean, who really knows? Um

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So,

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I'll eventually get to answer the

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question here, but uh

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wouldn't you think this place would be

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more like the lunar receiving lab where

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everything is white? You know, so you

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can see a speck of dust. There's

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everything is sterile.

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People are being extremely careful with

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what they're doing, but you're not

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seeing that.

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This is in now something akin to an

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aircraft hangar in the middle of the

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desert. There's dust on everything.

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People are taking everything

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nonchalantly. There's a There's a

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freaking poster about the thing, you

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know, a there here poster there. Um

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Thank you, Luigi, for getting me that.

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We got to figure out a place for that.

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We'll put it in here somewhere. It's

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awesome. I mean, but but I mean, they

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went to the trouble of making a poster.

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They actually I think right here. That's

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a good place.

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>> That right there. That's a good spot

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right there. Um but they uh I mean, they

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actually cut one of the amplifiers out

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of the craft. So, that my point is

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>> This is in the film as well. You could

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see.

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>> Yeah, but my my point is it's so

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nonchalant

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at this point. When they first had it,

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it had to be at that level. And they

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became so used to it,

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so familiar with it

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that, you know, to them it just became

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like another

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you know, fighter aircraft or something

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from another country. So, it's uh

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It must have been there a long time as

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what my point is.

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Because Look, as soon as you have

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something that unique,

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you don't let it just sit there in a

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hangar and be exposed to the environment

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and have security people walking by and

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people touching it. I mean, it's in an

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isolated, sealed, secure environment and

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they were past that. So, I think it had

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been there for a decade or decades.

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A long time. And these guys were

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intimately familiar with it, not afraid

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of it, you know, and

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knew what was going on. So, they

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essentially had gotten just completely

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acclimated to the fact that this craft

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exists, that it was there, and there had

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been relatively little progress as far

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as figuring it out and figuring out what

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it does and how to recreate it. So, it

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just kind of sat there. And so, I think

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they were making very little progress

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and I think they kept going over the

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same road again and again and they

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probably had other experts there and

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just didn't and I think the reason I got

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hired is cuz I was a guy out in left

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field that didn't necessarily follow

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what was going on. I mean, the biggest

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distractors in the

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in in

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you know,

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to me, anyway, in the story, um are

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other scientists, other physicists

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going, "Well, they would have hired me

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because I'm the top guy in the field."

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Yeah, you you probably are, but I think

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they hired plenty of you guys and you

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just kept going down the same road and

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didn't do anything. I think they were

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looking for somebody that just would

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have some radical idea and just to push

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the,

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you know, the project forward because

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everything had stalled when I got there.

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And it was I think they were just in a

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desperate move to make some progress.

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One of the things you talked about in

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the first podcast that I think is really

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important is that the only way for

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science to really progress is that

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these various

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scientists have to be able to

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communicate and you have to be able to

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share ideas and you have to be able to

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collaborate but that's not how this was

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run because it was so top secret

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everything was compartmentalized.

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Like the metallurgist weren't talking to

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the propulsion people who weren't

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talking to if there were biologics

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experts like everybody was

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>> Super frustrating because I I think I I

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don't remember exactly where that

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started again it's 40 years ago but I

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think it started with uh

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with the seats

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and uh no it start it started with

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actual skin of the craft because

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everything looked like it was made from

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the same material

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and I wanted some information

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um

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about you know the skin the

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superstructure of the craft and they

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said no that's that's restricted what's

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you know we we need a reason for you to

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I I just want to see

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if everything is exactly the same

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material and what I call the seats in

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the craft I still don't know if they

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were the seats but they might be I think

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it'd be hilarious if they were actually

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something else um

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but I wanted some information on those

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and that was restricted information too

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there were other groups working on that

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so they compartmentalized stuff so much

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there was no exchange of information

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between any groups I mean you could

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submit a written response that your

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supervisor in my case Dennis would have

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to carry over and they would have to

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approve and you know you'd get a two or

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three line response from

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you know the other group but it's it's

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just that's not how science works

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science works on the free exchange of

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information and it they they were just

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killing themselves with security and it

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would it was really frustrating it was

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terribly frustrating. So was this a

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function of security people people that

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are concentrating on talk top secret

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that don't truly understand how

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collaborative science works?

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>> that's it right there you can stop right

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there they had no idea how that works.

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>> Because it stands to reason that

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whatever that thing was made out of

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probably in some way interacts with the

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propulsion system and whatever controls

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that are in it that this material has to

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be particularly unique. Exactly that's

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exactly my point and I suspected the

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material was an electric. You know what

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an electric is?

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>> No. Okay you know like a magnet

00:22:24.440 --> 00:22:29.759
a permanent magnet is like

00:22:27.839 --> 00:22:32.639
you know it's a magnet it's forever it's

00:22:29.759 --> 00:22:35.679
a magnet it has a magnetic field an

00:22:32.640 --> 00:22:38.920
electric is a material that has a

00:22:35.679 --> 00:22:41.720
permanent static field to it.

00:22:38.920 --> 00:22:45.240
A static electric field to it and

00:22:41.720 --> 00:22:47.960
I strongly suspected that's that the

00:22:45.240 --> 00:22:50.480
craft was made out of an electric and I

00:22:47.960 --> 00:22:52.960
was not because again that's the

00:22:50.480 --> 00:22:55.240
material science guys I was not allowed

00:22:52.960 --> 00:22:58.200
to connect that to but

00:22:55.240 --> 00:23:00.799
that's so important to connect it to the

00:22:58.200 --> 00:23:03.679
propulsion system and how the propulsion

00:23:00.799 --> 00:23:05.720
system uh interacts with the amplifier

00:23:03.679 --> 00:23:07.880
of the emitters and I just I

00:23:05.720 --> 00:23:12.120
I wasn't allowed you know the

00:23:07.880 --> 00:23:12.120
information I needed so it was uh

00:23:12.799 --> 00:23:16.240
I don't know it it it was self-defeating

00:23:15.240 --> 00:23:18.400
is what it was.

00:23:16.240 --> 00:23:21.920
>> It seems like they were treating it like

00:23:18.400 --> 00:23:25.720
a fighter jet or automobile like in an

00:23:21.920 --> 00:23:28.279
automobile you have the outer area the

00:23:25.720 --> 00:23:31.079
shell of the car you have the doors the

00:23:28.279 --> 00:23:32.279
skins the hood the roof all that stuff

00:23:31.079 --> 00:23:34.599
which is meant but then you have the

00:23:32.279 --> 00:23:36.519
propulsion system which is the engine

00:23:34.599 --> 00:23:38.519
and the transmission and the tires and

00:23:36.519 --> 00:23:41.039
the wheels and the suspension

00:23:38.519 --> 00:23:43.079
but they're all not connected they're

00:23:41.039 --> 00:23:45.039
connected cuz they're bolted together

00:23:43.079 --> 00:23:48.159
but they have different functions I

00:23:45.039 --> 00:23:50.599
think the idea the concept at least is

00:23:48.160 --> 00:23:53.880
as I'm gathering from you is that this

00:23:50.599 --> 00:23:56.000
thing all worked as a cohesive unit.

00:23:53.880 --> 00:23:57.679
>> Right with no physical connection

00:23:56.000 --> 00:24:00.799
between

00:23:57.679 --> 00:24:02.480
you know between the subsystems.

00:24:00.799 --> 00:24:04.119
And all of it made out of the same

00:24:02.480 --> 00:24:06.559
material.

00:24:04.119 --> 00:24:08.479
At least on the outside at least on the

00:24:06.559 --> 00:24:12.000
outside all made of the same material

00:24:08.480 --> 00:24:13.559
and the other crafts all had the same

00:24:12.000 --> 00:24:17.599
power plant in them.

00:24:13.559 --> 00:24:20.678
So that brings to mind you know like uh

00:24:17.599 --> 00:24:23.079
like a GM plant that makes a car with a

00:24:20.679 --> 00:24:24.320
Chevy 350 and makes you know a dozen

00:24:23.079 --> 00:24:27.678
different models to it.

00:24:24.319 --> 00:24:30.599
>> Right. So that makes you think about boy

00:24:27.679 --> 00:24:32.600
is there a a factory making these things

00:24:30.599 --> 00:24:34.359
and

00:24:32.599 --> 00:24:36.559
you know your brain can just wander off

00:24:34.359 --> 00:24:39.279
in directions but I tried to stick with

00:24:36.559 --> 00:24:42.240
just the technology. Um

00:24:39.279 --> 00:24:42.960
Did you know who the metallurgist were?

00:24:42.240 --> 00:24:45.519
The people that were

00:24:42.960 --> 00:24:47.400
>> saw I saw them you know I know them and

00:24:45.519 --> 00:24:49.279
Barry we'd go to the lunch room Barry

00:24:47.400 --> 00:24:50.440
would point them out you know And you

00:24:49.279 --> 00:24:53.240
weren't allowed to communicate with them

00:24:50.440 --> 00:24:56.400
at all? Oh hell no you have a a lab

00:24:53.240 --> 00:24:59.200
partner which might in in uh

00:24:56.400 --> 00:25:00.600
my case it was Barry and you're you have

00:24:59.200 --> 00:25:01.840
you're allowed to talk to your lab

00:25:00.599 --> 00:25:04.079
partner

00:25:01.839 --> 00:25:06.480
but you can't talk to any other group

00:25:04.079 --> 00:25:09.599
that has to go through a written request

00:25:06.480 --> 00:25:11.559
has to go to your um supervisor and

00:25:09.599 --> 00:25:14.000
he'll bring it over to them and they'll

00:25:11.559 --> 00:25:14.599
bring it back and so on and so forth but

00:25:14.000 --> 00:25:16.799
uh

00:25:14.599 --> 00:25:19.599
it's it's ridiculous that

00:25:16.799 --> 00:25:21.119
that that it slows down any progress you

00:25:19.599 --> 00:25:22.279
might be making.

00:25:21.119 --> 00:25:23.079
Which is why they were probably stalled

00:25:22.279 --> 00:25:28.000
out for decades.

00:25:23.079 --> 00:25:28.000
>> Yeah. Did you ever expressly

00:25:28.519 --> 00:25:34.759
communicate to them that you

00:25:32.559 --> 00:25:36.960
you theorized at least that this all

00:25:34.759 --> 00:25:39.279
could be connected that there's there's

00:25:36.960 --> 00:25:41.640
something about the way the metal works

00:25:39.279 --> 00:25:43.279
Oh we all knew that.

00:25:41.640 --> 00:25:45.880
We all knew that.

00:25:43.279 --> 00:25:47.839
Because we'd get requests from other

00:25:45.880 --> 00:25:51.080
you know from other groups and you could

00:25:47.839 --> 00:25:53.599
tell they're desperate just like we are

00:25:51.079 --> 00:25:55.519
and and and fighting against the system.

00:25:53.599 --> 00:25:58.079
>> What kind of requests would you get?

00:25:55.519 --> 00:26:00.480
Just exactly what we found out you know

00:25:58.079 --> 00:26:03.559
what where is the energy being

00:26:00.480 --> 00:26:06.319
transferred here if the reactor fires up

00:26:03.559 --> 00:26:09.079
is there a field present around it or is

00:26:06.319 --> 00:26:11.200
the field just absorbed into the emitter

00:26:09.079 --> 00:26:14.919
and you can touch the

00:26:11.200 --> 00:26:18.319
you know reactor itself and just little

00:26:14.920 --> 00:26:19.960
things like that you know if uh

00:26:18.319 --> 00:26:23.200
and actually that that was an important

00:26:19.960 --> 00:26:26.319
thing when the reactor's operating

00:26:23.200 --> 00:26:28.480
is it perfectly tuned the emitter to

00:26:26.319 --> 00:26:30.399
where it removes all the energy from the

00:26:28.480 --> 00:26:32.400
reactor and pushes it out the bottom and

00:26:30.400 --> 00:26:34.920
the answer to that was no I remember

00:26:32.400 --> 00:26:36.880
that as a specific request from you know

00:26:34.920 --> 00:26:38.640
from one of the groups

00:26:36.880 --> 00:26:40.960
the metallurgy group is the one that we

00:26:38.640 --> 00:26:42.080
really wanted to hear from.

00:26:40.960 --> 00:26:43.720
Uh

00:26:42.079 --> 00:26:46.439
and some of the I didn't I don't even

00:26:43.720 --> 00:26:48.698
know what some of the other groups were.

00:26:46.440 --> 00:26:50.799
But How many groups were there? I

00:26:48.698 --> 00:26:52.560
[snorts and clears throat] I don't know.

00:26:50.799 --> 00:26:54.759
There were only 22 people there total

00:26:52.559 --> 00:26:57.359
including myself.

00:26:54.759 --> 00:27:00.319
So um

00:26:57.359 --> 00:27:02.119
I I would like for you to tell Joe one

00:27:00.319 --> 00:27:04.039
of the things that also interested me

00:27:02.119 --> 00:27:07.079
cuz I built the craft is how the

00:27:04.039 --> 00:27:09.639
waveguide worked with the ceiling in in

00:27:07.079 --> 00:27:10.960
interior and how it blended

00:27:09.640 --> 00:27:12.080
if you can explain there was no

00:27:10.960 --> 00:27:14.000
telescopic

00:27:12.079 --> 00:27:17.678
>> well this is why I we wanted to talk to

00:27:14.000 --> 00:27:19.200
the metallurgist people. The uh

00:27:17.679 --> 00:27:22.120
the reactor that sits on the bottom of

00:27:19.200 --> 00:27:23.480
the craft has a little dome over it

00:27:22.119 --> 00:27:24.799
and there's something that looks like a

00:27:23.480 --> 00:27:27.920
pipe

00:27:24.799 --> 00:27:30.159
that's slight you can lift it up and

00:27:27.920 --> 00:27:33.519
take the reactor out put the reactor in

00:27:30.160 --> 00:27:36.040
and lift it down but you know like a

00:27:33.519 --> 00:27:38.160
antenna works on an old walkie-talkie it

00:27:36.039 --> 00:27:40.039
has different sections

00:27:38.160 --> 00:27:42.040
There it is there's from the video.

00:27:40.039 --> 00:27:44.039
There it is yeah yeah okay

00:27:42.039 --> 00:27:46.759
um

00:27:44.039 --> 00:27:51.599
you can retract the pipe but there's no

00:27:46.759 --> 00:27:54.279
sections and it doesn't get any thicker.

00:27:51.599 --> 00:27:56.000
It just becomes smaller and if you look

00:27:54.279 --> 00:27:58.839
underneath

00:27:56.000 --> 00:27:59.960
um where the emitters hang down

00:27:58.839 --> 00:28:02.000
um

00:27:59.960 --> 00:28:02.840
they turn

00:28:02.000 --> 00:28:05.599
it

00:28:02.839 --> 00:28:09.119
and it it it doesn't buckle it's it's a

00:28:05.599 --> 00:28:11.919
magical material this is

00:28:09.119 --> 00:28:14.399
this is the basis of the craft is really

00:28:11.920 --> 00:28:17.560
the material that it's made of it's a

00:28:14.400 --> 00:28:19.960
it's amazing the way it works.

00:28:17.559 --> 00:28:21.359
It just you can push it into a small

00:28:19.960 --> 00:28:24.200
volume

00:28:21.359 --> 00:28:26.439
and it doesn't change at all it doesn't

00:28:24.200 --> 00:28:28.080
it doesn't get bigger physically

00:28:26.440 --> 00:28:29.519
it's um

00:28:28.079 --> 00:28:31.639
I don't really know how to describe

00:28:29.519 --> 00:28:33.000
>> lifting the pipe up and down but it's

00:28:31.640 --> 00:28:34.759
not going anywhere.

00:28:33.000 --> 00:28:37.200
>> you had a big pipe

00:28:34.759 --> 00:28:39.640
and you push it together it has to get

00:28:37.200 --> 00:28:43.720
thicker Right. because the material has

00:28:39.640 --> 00:28:46.080
to go somewhere this doesn't.

00:28:43.720 --> 00:28:49.600
Okay it stays in exactly the same

00:28:46.079 --> 00:28:51.799
dimensions it just becomes smaller.

00:28:49.599 --> 00:28:53.199
How? Well

00:28:51.799 --> 00:28:53.720
>> couldn't talk to the metallurgist so you

00:28:53.200 --> 00:28:55.919
had no idea.

00:28:53.720 --> 00:28:58.600
>> yeah but those guys knew how. They did

00:28:55.919 --> 00:29:00.600
know how. I well Well they know it did

00:28:58.599 --> 00:29:02.559
it. They know it they know it did it and

00:29:00.599 --> 00:29:04.959
that's their job so I imagine they have

00:29:02.559 --> 00:29:06.039
more information than I did.

00:29:04.960 --> 00:29:08.200
Um

00:29:06.039 --> 00:29:11.399
but that was fascinating.

00:29:08.200 --> 00:29:13.319
It really was. And the uh

00:29:11.400 --> 00:29:15.480
the waveguides that hold the emitters

00:29:13.319 --> 00:29:18.759
they come down and the emitters can turn

00:29:15.480 --> 00:29:20.720
and bend and the pipes bend and nothing

00:29:18.759 --> 00:29:22.960
changes in them.

00:29:20.720 --> 00:29:27.440
It's

00:29:22.960 --> 00:29:29.600
and there's no wires or anything to make

00:29:27.440 --> 00:29:32.120
the pipe bend

00:29:29.599 --> 00:29:34.480
um

00:29:32.119 --> 00:29:36.119
I'm I'm trying to relate it to something

00:29:34.480 --> 00:29:38.120
but I can't think of anything to relate

00:29:36.119 --> 00:29:39.479
it to.

00:29:38.119 --> 00:29:41.119
Well one thing that you said that I I

00:29:39.480 --> 00:29:43.640
also thought was fascinating there's no

00:29:41.119 --> 00:29:44.000
seams so everything looks like it's 3D

00:29:43.640 --> 00:29:45.320
printed.

00:29:44.000 --> 00:29:48.279
>> Again right it comes down to the

00:29:45.319 --> 00:29:50.679
material. Which at the time 3D printers

00:29:48.279 --> 00:29:53.440
weren't real, right? They Yeah, at the

00:29:50.680 --> 00:29:54.799
time that really confused me. I said,

00:29:53.440 --> 00:29:56.360
"How did they build this?" It must have

00:29:54.799 --> 00:29:59.319
been built

00:29:56.359 --> 00:30:01.439
out of wax or something and then melted.

00:29:59.319 --> 00:30:03.439
Um cuz you can't build anything without

00:30:01.440 --> 00:30:05.480
seams. And then 3D printing came into

00:30:03.440 --> 00:30:09.799
existence and you know, you can you

00:30:05.480 --> 00:30:11.360
could build stuff from layers up. Um

00:30:09.799 --> 00:30:13.639
That made sense.

00:30:11.359 --> 00:30:15.679
I know, some sort of 3D printer or they

00:30:13.640 --> 00:30:18.400
grew it uh

00:30:15.680 --> 00:30:20.000
you know, a in some

00:30:18.400 --> 00:30:23.800
It of course is not a crystal in

00:30:20.000 --> 00:30:23.799
fashion, but um

00:30:24.079 --> 00:30:27.679
I I don't know how that was fabricated,

00:30:26.160 --> 00:30:29.800
but it was fabricated different than

00:30:27.680 --> 00:30:31.920
anything that we have. I don't even

00:30:29.799 --> 00:30:35.159
think it was 3D printed.

00:30:31.920 --> 00:30:38.400
And so you never got any inkling or any

00:30:35.160 --> 00:30:40.720
understanding of what the metal was,

00:30:38.400 --> 00:30:43.200
what what what kind of an alloy, what it

00:30:40.720 --> 00:30:45.039
consisted of?

00:30:43.200 --> 00:30:47.000
All I can say it was cold to the touch

00:30:45.039 --> 00:30:48.839
cuz the you know, when I when I touched

00:30:47.000 --> 00:30:51.079
it, but um

00:30:48.839 --> 00:30:54.399
I can't say it was a if it was a ceramic

00:30:51.079 --> 00:30:57.359
or I say it was metal cuz it was cold.

00:30:54.400 --> 00:30:58.560
Um Cuz it looks like metal. And this is

00:30:57.359 --> 00:31:01.319
>> Yeah, it looks like metal. Does that

00:30:58.559 --> 00:31:03.240
this is the Designs by Perry um

00:31:01.319 --> 00:31:05.319
version of it. Does that How much does

00:31:03.240 --> 00:31:06.960
that look like it? No, that's 100%.

00:31:05.319 --> 00:31:07.720
That's it.

00:31:06.960 --> 00:31:10.160
Yeah, that's that's

00:31:07.720 --> 00:31:10.960
>> to have the the first ripple is supposed

00:31:10.160 --> 00:31:13.720
to be black.

00:31:10.960 --> 00:31:16.559
>> right. See? Yeah.

00:31:13.720 --> 00:31:17.720
So, Luigi has gone over this so many

00:31:16.559 --> 00:31:18.279
times. Yeah.

00:31:17.720 --> 00:31:19.920
>> uh

00:31:18.279 --> 00:31:21.359
the There's an insulator ring in there.

00:31:19.920 --> 00:31:23.120
Jimmy, show what it looks like in the

00:31:21.359 --> 00:31:24.799
film. If you could show one of the

00:31:23.119 --> 00:31:25.919
images. I don't know.

00:31:24.799 --> 00:31:26.839
I was pulling them off the trailer and I

00:31:25.920 --> 00:31:27.960
don't

00:31:26.839 --> 00:31:28.879
They might not They've been holding that

00:31:27.960 --> 00:31:31.200
back

00:31:28.880 --> 00:31:32.880
Yeah, on the trailer there's some shots.

00:31:31.200 --> 00:31:35.200
>> Yeah, there's there's a ring around it

00:31:32.880 --> 00:31:39.280
and we measured the voltage on the craft

00:31:35.200 --> 00:31:42.480
and there was a a high voltage on it. Um

00:31:39.279 --> 00:31:45.039
And above that ring, there is not

00:31:42.480 --> 00:31:47.039
>> not a good shot. There's probably a

00:31:45.039 --> 00:31:49.039
This is the original trailer. It's the

00:31:47.039 --> 00:31:51.240
new trailer that would actually [snorts]

00:31:49.039 --> 00:31:55.559
Yeah, that one there.

00:31:51.240 --> 00:31:57.000
And you'll get to see it right

00:31:55.559 --> 00:31:59.759
there.

00:31:57.000 --> 00:32:01.200
Actually, right after this.

00:31:59.759 --> 00:32:02.440
Well, it's actually before this, I

00:32:01.200 --> 00:32:05.160
believe.

00:32:02.440 --> 00:32:07.240
You're going to see the craft. And if

00:32:05.160 --> 00:32:10.240
you see there's a black Right, there's

00:32:07.240 --> 00:32:13.519
like a black line. Mhm. It's the first

00:32:10.240 --> 00:32:14.960
ripple that's actually not metal.

00:32:13.519 --> 00:32:17.240
Yeah, we call that the Yeah, there it

00:32:14.960 --> 00:32:19.559
is. That's a good shot. We call We call

00:32:17.240 --> 00:32:21.480
that the insulator ring because below

00:32:19.559 --> 00:32:25.480
that there's a high voltage present on

00:32:21.480 --> 00:32:26.880
the craft all the time and above that,

00:32:25.480 --> 00:32:28.679
there isn't.

00:32:26.880 --> 00:32:30.440
Um

00:32:28.679 --> 00:32:32.960
I would imagine that

00:32:30.440 --> 00:32:36.360
your life has like two completely

00:32:32.960 --> 00:32:37.559
different chapters. It's before this and

00:32:36.359 --> 00:32:40.879
after this.

00:32:37.559 --> 00:32:42.599
Whereas like once you see it,

00:32:40.880 --> 00:32:45.320
the whole rest of your life is now going

00:32:42.599 --> 00:32:47.199
to be very different. And you are you

00:32:45.319 --> 00:32:49.359
are in in its presence for how long did

00:32:47.200 --> 00:32:51.559
you work there for?

00:32:49.359 --> 00:32:53.119
I don't know, maybe 6 months or so. So,

00:32:51.559 --> 00:32:55.359
for 6 months,

00:32:53.119 --> 00:32:57.319
you're around this thing.

00:32:55.359 --> 00:32:59.359
And I would imagine that's to occupy

00:32:57.319 --> 00:33:02.159
your thoughts 24 hours a day.

00:32:59.359 --> 00:33:04.279
Well, at the time it did, for sure. It's

00:33:02.160 --> 00:33:08.200
actually three stages to the life. It's

00:33:04.279 --> 00:33:10.599
before it, during, and after it.

00:33:08.200 --> 00:33:13.039
Before it was just my life, during was

00:33:10.599 --> 00:33:14.639
when it happened, and then the after

00:33:13.039 --> 00:33:18.240
part of my life is almost trying to

00:33:14.640 --> 00:33:19.679
dismiss it, you know, to just go on.

00:33:18.240 --> 00:33:22.359
Yeah, you didn't talk about it for a

00:33:19.679 --> 00:33:23.840
long time. I mean, you did the George

00:33:22.359 --> 00:33:25.479
Knapp interviews, you talked about it a

00:33:23.839 --> 00:33:27.000
little, you made some videos explaining

00:33:25.480 --> 00:33:28.799
things and how things worked.

00:33:27.000 --> 00:33:32.200
>> No, I don't I don't really like public

00:33:28.799 --> 00:33:33.839
attention and uh I don't really like

00:33:32.200 --> 00:33:35.400
doing interviews.

00:33:33.839 --> 00:33:36.768
Um

00:33:35.400 --> 00:33:38.788
As [snorts] you probably know.

00:33:36.768 --> 00:33:38.788
>> [laughter]

00:33:39.160 --> 00:33:42.440
>> You know, but um

00:33:41.039 --> 00:33:46.200
I know there's people that thrive on

00:33:42.440 --> 00:33:47.640
that stuff, but you know, uh

00:33:46.200 --> 00:33:49.200
it

00:33:47.640 --> 00:33:51.320
I felt privileged to be part of the

00:33:49.200 --> 00:33:54.480
project, but it left me with an

00:33:51.319 --> 00:33:57.678
insatiable appetite. Oh my god, I want

00:33:54.480 --> 00:33:59.039
to know where it's gone. Like even when

00:33:57.679 --> 00:34:02.240
I was there in the '80s, they were

00:33:59.039 --> 00:34:03.240
talking about moving the project at that

00:34:02.240 --> 00:34:04.640
time.

00:34:03.240 --> 00:34:06.519
So,

00:34:04.640 --> 00:34:09.119
um

00:34:06.519 --> 00:34:12.159
I really I I'm dying to know, is it

00:34:09.119 --> 00:34:15.039
still there? Has it moved on Did they

00:34:12.159 --> 00:34:16.358
split it up and move it to other places?

00:34:15.039 --> 00:34:18.239
Um

00:34:16.358 --> 00:34:19.679
Yeah, I remember Barry talking about

00:34:18.239 --> 00:34:21.678
moving it to

00:34:19.679 --> 00:34:23.280
the South Pacific like in Kwajalein or

00:34:21.679 --> 00:34:25.320
something, but they said the expenses

00:34:23.280 --> 00:34:27.840
were so great, they couldn't do that,

00:34:25.320 --> 00:34:30.720
but they wanted to be from everybody.

00:34:27.840 --> 00:34:33.720
And the they hated the fact that it was

00:34:30.719 --> 00:34:36.599
right alongside the highway in Nevada,

00:34:33.719 --> 00:34:38.279
you know, by south of Area 51.

00:34:36.599 --> 00:34:40.358
Uh but that's the best place they had at

00:34:38.280 --> 00:34:43.080
the time and the most affordable.

00:34:40.358 --> 00:34:45.398
And of course now with you know, budgets

00:34:43.079 --> 00:34:47.199
being so tight,

00:34:45.398 --> 00:34:49.199
who knows where it is. Who knows if

00:34:47.199 --> 00:34:51.519
budgets are tight for this, though.

00:34:49.199 --> 00:34:54.480
Yeah, that that's true. That's true. I

00:34:51.519 --> 00:34:56.960
mean, they did say at whatever expense,

00:34:54.480 --> 00:34:58.880
figure this out. Yeah, they were serious

00:34:56.960 --> 00:34:59.240
about that. We don't really care what it

00:34:58.880 --> 00:35:01.720
was.

00:34:59.239 --> 00:35:03.799
>> It's like the original Apollo program.

00:35:01.719 --> 00:35:06.000
You know, back in the Apollo program, if

00:35:03.800 --> 00:35:07.560
they needed parts

00:35:06.000 --> 00:35:09.960
and if somebody had something ordered

00:35:07.559 --> 00:35:11.759
UPS or through the mail or whatever,

00:35:09.960 --> 00:35:14.159
they had the authority to stop that

00:35:11.760 --> 00:35:16.160
shipment to that other person and take

00:35:14.159 --> 00:35:17.879
their stuff if they needed it. And you

00:35:16.159 --> 00:35:19.279
know, they had an unlimited budget. I

00:35:17.880 --> 00:35:21.599
mean, if you're working like that, you

00:35:19.280 --> 00:35:24.040
could do anything.

00:35:21.599 --> 00:35:25.880
And uh Or at least anything that's

00:35:24.039 --> 00:35:28.000
currently possible with today's

00:35:25.880 --> 00:35:29.720
technology. There you go. Which therein

00:35:28.000 --> 00:35:32.079
lies the problem is that they're dealing

00:35:29.719 --> 00:35:34.759
with something that's not possible with

00:35:32.079 --> 00:35:38.039
like you couldn't build it from scratch

00:35:34.760 --> 00:35:42.000
with American technology in 1989.

00:35:38.039 --> 00:35:42.000
No, but that's what they wanted to do.

00:35:42.760 --> 00:35:46.840
And really thinking about that now, I'm

00:35:45.119 --> 00:35:48.880
not sure

00:35:46.840 --> 00:35:51.160
I'm not [laughter] exactly sure these

00:35:48.880 --> 00:35:53.599
guys should be allowed to do that. This

00:35:51.159 --> 00:35:56.159
is really powerful technology and the

00:35:53.599 --> 00:35:58.519
world has really changed. I mean, we

00:35:56.159 --> 00:36:02.039
have a lot of crazy people doing stuff

00:35:58.519 --> 00:36:03.920
now and nonsense

00:36:02.039 --> 00:36:05.679
transmits through the population at the

00:36:03.920 --> 00:36:07.119
speed of light.

00:36:05.679 --> 00:36:09.079
And uh

00:36:07.119 --> 00:36:12.079
you know, I don't know. This can be a

00:36:09.079 --> 00:36:13.559
very powerful world-conquering

00:36:12.079 --> 00:36:15.079
technology

00:36:13.559 --> 00:36:17.159
and

00:36:15.079 --> 00:36:19.519
Look, for 40 years, I think I've said

00:36:17.159 --> 00:36:21.759
this before, for 40 years, all the

00:36:19.519 --> 00:36:24.320
people in control of this information

00:36:21.760 --> 00:36:27.080
have all agreed to keep it quiet. And

00:36:24.320 --> 00:36:28.720
these aren't idiots.

00:36:27.079 --> 00:36:31.480
These aren't idiots for 40 years. You

00:36:28.719 --> 00:36:34.000
have a line of people that all have

00:36:31.480 --> 00:36:35.679
agreed, "No, let's not say anything. No,

00:36:34.000 --> 00:36:37.679
let's not say anything. No, let's not

00:36:35.679 --> 00:36:40.199
say anything." There has to be a reason

00:36:37.679 --> 00:36:43.239
why.

00:36:40.199 --> 00:36:46.719
And if they all agreed to that,

00:36:43.239 --> 00:36:47.199
maybe I'm the

00:36:46.719 --> 00:36:50.559
>> [laughter]

00:36:47.199 --> 00:36:52.079
>> No, really. Maybe they're right and

00:36:50.559 --> 00:36:54.119
Maybe you would have figured that out if

00:36:52.079 --> 00:36:56.880
you kept working for them. Yeah, I don't

00:36:54.119 --> 00:36:59.480
know, but I'm increasingly thinking

00:36:56.880 --> 00:37:01.880
I'm the one that made the mistake. Maybe

00:36:59.480 --> 00:37:03.679
this is supposed to be

00:37:01.880 --> 00:37:06.840
just kept quiet.

00:37:03.679 --> 00:37:09.960
Yeah, but that doesn't ring true.

00:37:06.840 --> 00:37:13.160
Cuz cuz I don't think it's ever healthy

00:37:09.960 --> 00:37:15.639
if small groups of individuals have

00:37:13.159 --> 00:37:17.599
information that would change our

00:37:15.639 --> 00:37:19.199
understanding of where we are.

00:37:17.599 --> 00:37:20.799
>> Yeah, there's that. There's that.

00:37:19.199 --> 00:37:22.319
>> It's I don't think they

00:37:20.800 --> 00:37:23.920
I don't think they deserve it. I don't

00:37:22.320 --> 00:37:25.760
think it's right. I don't think it makes

00:37:23.920 --> 00:37:27.000
any sense. I think you have an

00:37:25.760 --> 00:37:28.720
obligation to

00:37:27.000 --> 00:37:32.519
>> But really think about it. What if it's

00:37:28.719 --> 00:37:32.519
something that's really dramatic?

00:37:32.639 --> 00:37:35.079
Like how so? Like what do you think

00:37:33.840 --> 00:37:37.240
would be like?

00:37:35.079 --> 00:37:40.039
I don't know. May maybe I mean, what if

00:37:37.239 --> 00:37:43.599
it's I'm not saying this is what it is,

00:37:40.039 --> 00:37:46.440
but I mean, what if it's like

00:37:43.599 --> 00:37:48.119
you know, like like we raise cows out in

00:37:46.440 --> 00:37:50.480
a field and just feed them grass and

00:37:48.119 --> 00:37:52.159
they're just going to be food.

00:37:50.480 --> 00:37:53.960
What if it's something like that? What

00:37:52.159 --> 00:37:56.639
if we're just like, you know, a a

00:37:53.960 --> 00:38:00.119
population of creatures that are just to

00:37:56.639 --> 00:38:02.480
be consumed in some way?

00:38:00.119 --> 00:38:04.519
I don't know if we're to be consumed,

00:38:02.480 --> 00:38:06.599
but I do think we are

00:38:04.519 --> 00:38:07.119
>> Not physically consumed like eaten, but

00:38:06.599 --> 00:38:09.319
I mean

00:38:07.119 --> 00:38:10.400
>> I think we have a task.

00:38:09.320 --> 00:38:13.600
And

00:38:10.400 --> 00:38:16.760
I'm uh more and more convinced as time

00:38:13.599 --> 00:38:19.000
goes on that we were engineered.

00:38:16.760 --> 00:38:20.720
I don't think we came about as a normal

00:38:19.000 --> 00:38:21.440
evolutionary process like all the other

00:38:20.719 --> 00:38:23.439
animals.

00:38:21.440 --> 00:38:24.840
>> I agree with that. I I really agree with

00:38:23.440 --> 00:38:27.079
that, too. There's a lot of people that

00:38:24.840 --> 00:38:29.640
think that. It just doesn't make sense

00:38:27.079 --> 00:38:31.440
objectively. I mean, without seeming

00:38:29.639 --> 00:38:32.960
like a cook

00:38:31.440 --> 00:38:34.800
or someone who buys into conspiracy

00:38:32.960 --> 00:38:39.320
theories, if you just look at all the

00:38:34.800 --> 00:38:41.440
other biology on Earth, why is one so

00:38:39.320 --> 00:38:44.080
uniquely able to manipulate its

00:38:41.440 --> 00:38:46.119
environment, communicate instantaneously

00:38:44.079 --> 00:38:48.519
at distance, do

00:38:46.119 --> 00:38:50.920
can't really even exist in its

00:38:48.519 --> 00:38:53.159
environment in most places that it lives

00:38:50.920 --> 00:38:54.800
without clothes and shelter. We're a

00:38:53.159 --> 00:38:56.920
weird animal.

00:38:54.800 --> 00:38:59.760
We're we're very strange. Like we don't

00:38:56.920 --> 00:39:01.800
seem to have normally adapted to our

00:38:59.760 --> 00:39:04.600
environment with the way we've

00:39:01.800 --> 00:39:07.440
completely controlled our environment

00:39:04.599 --> 00:39:10.759
with air conditioning and electricity

00:39:07.440 --> 00:39:13.840
and electronics and flight and travel.

00:39:10.760 --> 00:39:16.120
We're so beyond everything else that

00:39:13.840 --> 00:39:19.358
evolved. Whereas every other animal,

00:39:16.119 --> 00:39:23.440
predator or prey, plant eater or meat

00:39:19.358 --> 00:39:25.880
eater, all seems to cohesively exist

00:39:23.440 --> 00:39:28.559
inside of its ecosystem. And then you

00:39:25.880 --> 00:39:31.079
have us, which is like Yeah, yeah.

00:39:28.559 --> 00:39:34.119
almost like an invasive species. Like

00:39:31.079 --> 00:39:35.880
invasive species destroy ecosystems like

00:39:34.119 --> 00:39:37.960
because they don't belong there. Mhm.

00:39:35.880 --> 00:39:39.880
Well, that's kind of what we do. Like we

00:39:37.960 --> 00:39:42.119
suck all the fish out of the ocean, we

00:39:39.880 --> 00:39:44.800
pollute the rivers with our technology,

00:39:42.119 --> 00:39:47.920
we, you know, mess up underground water

00:39:44.800 --> 00:39:50.480
systems with fracking and drill we we're

00:39:47.920 --> 00:39:52.519
like an invasive species in a lot of

00:39:50.480 --> 00:39:54.240
ways. Yeah.

00:39:52.519 --> 00:39:56.400
Yeah. We're really weird.

00:39:54.239 --> 00:39:59.679
>> can't argue with that at all.

00:39:56.400 --> 00:40:01.920
Yeah, this Tim Burchett thing. Um so Tim

00:39:59.679 --> 00:40:04.679
Burchett has recently been talking about

00:40:01.920 --> 00:40:06.440
this and the he can't talk about it

00:40:04.679 --> 00:40:08.079
because it's classified, but he said

00:40:06.440 --> 00:40:09.559
you'd be up at night with the things

00:40:08.079 --> 00:40:10.599
that I've seen

00:40:09.559 --> 00:40:13.279
if the things that I've seen have

00:40:10.599 --> 00:40:13.279
released.

00:40:13.400 --> 00:40:16.400
Yeah.

00:40:14.639 --> 00:40:18.359
He said we just needed to close disclose

00:40:16.400 --> 00:40:20.720
it all. I'm sick of it.

00:40:18.360 --> 00:40:22.400
Uh I well I was briefed and I will tell

00:40:20.719 --> 00:40:24.279
you this. I was briefed last week on an

00:40:22.400 --> 00:40:26.720
issue or excuse me 2 weeks ago and it

00:40:24.280 --> 00:40:29.240
would have set the earth on this country

00:40:26.719 --> 00:40:31.319
would have become unglued. I think if

00:40:29.239 --> 00:40:33.199
they would have heard all that I heard.

00:40:31.320 --> 00:40:35.880
Well, this is what I was talking about.

00:40:33.199 --> 00:40:37.919
If you know,

00:40:35.880 --> 00:40:39.760
it's not like there's a bunch of space

00:40:37.920 --> 00:40:41.320
brothers coming down going, "Oh, look

00:40:39.760 --> 00:40:44.040
what we discovered, you know, here I

00:40:41.320 --> 00:40:46.440
have some information and you know, uh

00:40:44.039 --> 00:40:49.079
what if it's not that? What if all the

00:40:46.440 --> 00:40:50.519
information is bad?"

00:40:49.079 --> 00:40:52.519
But what would be bad? Like have you

00:40:50.519 --> 00:40:54.800
ever thought about this? Tried to like

00:40:52.519 --> 00:40:55.880
play it out to its natural conclusion?

00:40:54.800 --> 00:40:57.519
Like what do you think the scenarios

00:40:55.880 --> 00:40:59.119
could be that's bad? I don't know.

00:40:57.519 --> 00:41:00.440
Everything that we're

00:40:59.119 --> 00:41:02.839
we uh

00:41:00.440 --> 00:41:04.559
Look, we view ourselves at the top of

00:41:02.840 --> 00:41:07.000
the food chain.

00:41:04.559 --> 00:41:09.159
What if we're not anywhere near there? I

00:41:07.000 --> 00:41:11.559
don't think we are. Okay, what if we're

00:41:09.159 --> 00:41:13.639
just consumables?

00:41:11.559 --> 00:41:15.840
Well, I don't know if like chimpanzees

00:41:13.639 --> 00:41:17.679
are consumables, right? They're not at

00:41:15.840 --> 00:41:19.720
the top of the food chain either, right?

00:41:17.679 --> 00:41:22.000
But No, but there's

00:41:19.719 --> 00:41:25.839
I I would consider them substantially

00:41:22.000 --> 00:41:28.159
lower than we are. Like my

00:41:25.840 --> 00:41:30.559
my good friend that I John Lear who had

00:41:28.159 --> 00:41:35.079
a bunch of crazy thoughts. I mean he

00:41:30.559 --> 00:41:36.759
used to come over and tell us that uh

00:41:35.079 --> 00:41:38.039
you know, on the moon there was a soul

00:41:36.760 --> 00:41:39.508
sucker.

00:41:38.039 --> 00:41:39.800
And when you

00:41:39.507 --> 00:41:41.719
>> [laughter]

00:41:39.800 --> 00:41:44.400
>> He did. He said this. You better give me

00:41:41.719 --> 00:41:44.399
that bottle.

00:41:45.119 --> 00:41:48.519
I want to drink before you explain this

00:41:47.159 --> 00:41:49.079
one.

00:41:48.519 --> 00:41:50.639
Um

00:41:49.079 --> 00:41:52.400
>> Oh boy.

00:41:50.639 --> 00:41:54.679
A soul sucker. Yeah.

00:41:52.400 --> 00:41:57.720
>> John Lear was a eccentric individual.

00:41:54.679 --> 00:41:58.759
I'm kind of sad I never met him.

00:41:57.719 --> 00:42:01.319
Man, he he would

00:41:58.760 --> 00:42:03.080
>> supporting evidence? He was a What?

00:42:01.320 --> 00:42:05.600
Terence McKenna talking about the moon

00:42:03.079 --> 00:42:08.039
being a soul catcher. Yeah, yeah. No,

00:42:05.599 --> 00:42:09.639
and he'd give me pictures of these giant

00:42:08.039 --> 00:42:10.159
antennas on the moon and

00:42:09.639 --> 00:42:14.760
>> [clears throat]

00:42:10.159 --> 00:42:16.719
>> um in fact, I'll tell you a story. He um

00:42:14.760 --> 00:42:19.640
uh you know, he was an accomplished

00:42:16.719 --> 00:42:21.519
pilot, had many world records and and

00:42:19.639 --> 00:42:23.440
things of that, you know, um

00:42:21.519 --> 00:42:24.440
part of the Lear family

00:42:23.440 --> 00:42:26.280
that

00:42:24.440 --> 00:42:28.679
his father invented autopilot, the

00:42:26.280 --> 00:42:30.480
eight-track tape, all kinds of stuff.

00:42:28.679 --> 00:42:33.399
And uh

00:42:30.480 --> 00:42:34.800
but he John Lear was a loose cannon.

00:42:33.400 --> 00:42:37.079
At the time

00:42:34.800 --> 00:42:41.640
uh

00:42:37.079 --> 00:42:43.679
he'd fly from Las Vegas and uh

00:42:41.639 --> 00:42:47.960
you know, shuttle L-1011s which are

00:42:43.679 --> 00:42:48.879
giant planes back and forth and he'd say

00:42:47.960 --> 00:42:50.360
uh

00:42:48.880 --> 00:42:51.760
you know, be kind of lonely. He goes,

00:42:50.360 --> 00:42:53.599
"Hey, you want to go to Minneapolis

00:42:51.760 --> 00:42:56.480
tonight?" He'd call me like at 9:00 at

00:42:53.599 --> 00:42:58.279
night and say, "Well, no, not really.

00:42:56.480 --> 00:43:01.480
Come on. Come on, fly with me." He'd

00:42:58.280 --> 00:43:03.000
say, "Just put on a suit and you know,

00:43:01.480 --> 00:43:05.920
come to so-and-so." And I'd go to

00:43:03.000 --> 00:43:08.000
McCarran Airport and you know, go there.

00:43:05.920 --> 00:43:08.960
And uh yeah, I'm going to tell everybody

00:43:08.000 --> 00:43:11.000
you're

00:43:08.960 --> 00:43:12.519
you know, an inspector from the FAA and

00:43:11.000 --> 00:43:14.599
I'm like, "Okay,

00:43:12.519 --> 00:43:16.039
great." You know, and I'd

00:43:14.599 --> 00:43:17.920
get on the plane and he'd say, you know,

00:43:16.039 --> 00:43:19.724
"Just act like you're you're going to

00:43:17.920 --> 00:43:20.519
kick everyone's ass." So I'd

00:43:19.724 --> 00:43:22.240
>> [laughter]

00:43:20.519 --> 00:43:24.199
>> go on there and I'd sit in the they pull

00:43:22.239 --> 00:43:26.479
down a jump seat behind the plane and

00:43:24.199 --> 00:43:28.079
I'd just sit there looking at everybody

00:43:26.480 --> 00:43:30.840
and

00:43:28.079 --> 00:43:31.799
God, all this stuff is so illegal. And

00:43:30.840 --> 00:43:34.920
um

00:43:31.800 --> 00:43:36.760
you know, get on there and and fly and

00:43:34.920 --> 00:43:38.400
you know, John would take and the

00:43:36.760 --> 00:43:40.080
L-1011 was a

00:43:38.400 --> 00:43:41.519
pretty advanced plane at the time. This

00:43:40.079 --> 00:43:43.639
was in the '80s.

00:43:41.519 --> 00:43:45.960
And you know, John would be smoking his

00:43:43.639 --> 00:43:49.119
pipe, he'd take off, he'd put his feet

00:43:45.960 --> 00:43:51.679
up and smoke his pipe and he'd fall

00:43:49.119 --> 00:43:53.920
asleep. And I'd just be, you know,

00:43:51.679 --> 00:43:56.079
hanging out there and you know, before

00:43:53.920 --> 00:43:59.119
the plane would land, he'd just, you

00:43:56.079 --> 00:44:00.519
know, wake up and you know, be smoking

00:43:59.119 --> 00:44:03.000
his pipe and the you know, plane would

00:44:00.519 --> 00:44:07.159
land itself. At the time my wife was

00:44:03.000 --> 00:44:08.960
taking flying lessons and um

00:44:07.159 --> 00:44:12.480
he said, "Yeah, yeah, you know, bring

00:44:08.960 --> 00:44:15.240
her up here and um

00:44:12.480 --> 00:44:17.000
I think they had an engineer also on

00:44:15.239 --> 00:44:19.479
another panel. I don't I don't quite

00:44:17.000 --> 00:44:22.199
remember, but I was there with my wife,

00:44:19.480 --> 00:44:24.320
there were people on board and he he'd

00:44:22.199 --> 00:44:26.439
say "Hey, come on here and take the

00:44:24.320 --> 00:44:28.640
wheel." And he'd get the captain of the

00:44:26.440 --> 00:44:30.800
plane with

00:44:28.639 --> 00:44:32.920
you know, I think my wife was in her 20s

00:44:30.800 --> 00:44:35.200
at the time and just sit her down and

00:44:32.920 --> 00:44:37.358
say, "Yeah, hold on to it and you know,

00:44:35.199 --> 00:44:42.119
just keep correcting." And he'd just let

00:44:37.358 --> 00:44:44.319
her fly the plane which is insane. And

00:44:42.119 --> 00:44:47.319
you know, the co-pilot would just look

00:44:44.320 --> 00:44:48.680
over and I remember looking over at I

00:44:47.320 --> 00:44:51.425
think the engineer that looked at the

00:44:48.679 --> 00:44:51.480
gauges and he just put his head down

00:44:51.425 --> 00:44:52.880
>> [laughter]

00:44:51.480 --> 00:44:55.880
>> and pretended like nothing was

00:44:52.880 --> 00:44:57.960
happening. And um

00:44:55.880 --> 00:45:00.000
that was just one time. Another time he

00:44:57.960 --> 00:45:02.199
was fly uh

00:45:00.000 --> 00:45:04.280
ferrying an L-1011

00:45:02.199 --> 00:45:06.199
going by Roswell. At the time I was

00:45:04.280 --> 00:45:09.840
living in New Mexico

00:45:06.199 --> 00:45:12.079
and they called him and told him he

00:45:09.840 --> 00:45:14.800
wasn't getting paid.

00:45:12.079 --> 00:45:17.079
That the company was, you know,

00:45:14.800 --> 00:45:18.840
defaulted or something like that.

00:45:17.079 --> 00:45:20.599
And

00:45:18.840 --> 00:45:22.800
he was coming up to New Mexico and

00:45:20.599 --> 00:45:25.358
landed at the Roswell just took the

00:45:22.800 --> 00:45:30.039
plane and landed at the Roswell Airport

00:45:25.358 --> 00:45:32.159
this the whole 1011 got off walked out

00:45:30.039 --> 00:45:34.559
walked up to a bus station, gave me a

00:45:32.159 --> 00:45:36.920
call on the the payphone and said, "Hey

00:45:34.559 --> 00:45:39.320
Bob, I'm coming over."

00:45:36.920 --> 00:45:41.960
Okay, you know, you're in New Mexico.

00:45:39.320 --> 00:45:43.640
Yeah. And he drove up

00:45:41.960 --> 00:45:45.800
taxi would drop him off at the house,

00:45:43.639 --> 00:45:48.358
he'd walk he [laughter] he walked in he

00:45:45.800 --> 00:45:50.359
went, "Boy, I'm tired." And he just laid

00:45:48.358 --> 00:45:51.920
down on the couch, you know, and go to

00:45:50.358 --> 00:45:53.039
sleep and I said,

00:45:51.920 --> 00:45:54.800
"What are you doing here? What's going

00:45:53.039 --> 00:45:56.679
on?" "Oh, I just dropped the plane off.

00:45:54.800 --> 00:45:58.240
They're not paying me and you know, that

00:45:56.679 --> 00:46:00.440
that's it." But I mean John Lear was

00:45:58.239 --> 00:46:01.119
such like a loose cannon.

00:46:00.440 --> 00:46:03.039
Um

00:46:01.119 --> 00:46:06.839
he was he was a great friend to have,

00:46:03.039 --> 00:46:10.039
but uh he had no filter.

00:46:06.840 --> 00:46:13.320
If he had a retired general come up and

00:46:10.039 --> 00:46:16.358
give him all kinds of information

00:46:13.320 --> 00:46:18.519
or if he had a psychic come up from, you

00:46:16.358 --> 00:46:20.759
know, the neighborhood and give him all

00:46:18.519 --> 00:46:23.119
kinds of information, he'd put him in

00:46:20.760 --> 00:46:26.280
the same category. Um

00:46:23.119 --> 00:46:31.039
>> You know, and uh so

00:46:26.280 --> 00:46:32.800
he really did have useful information

00:46:31.039 --> 00:46:37.079
that was difficult to get, but it was

00:46:32.800 --> 00:46:40.359
mixed up with nonsense. Right. And you

00:46:37.079 --> 00:46:42.079
and sometimes he would just really lean

00:46:40.358 --> 00:46:44.960
into that nonsense. Like he was

00:46:42.079 --> 00:46:46.679
convinced that the sun wasn't hot and

00:46:44.960 --> 00:46:48.672
there were people living inside and I

00:46:46.679 --> 00:46:49.440
used to die laughing. I'm like, "You are

00:46:48.672 --> 00:46:51.039
[laughter]

00:46:49.440 --> 00:46:53.200
insane."

00:46:51.039 --> 00:46:57.186
I said, "You you can't prove it's hot."

00:46:53.199 --> 00:46:57.358
"Yes, I can." You know, just go outside

00:46:57.186 --> 00:46:59.799
>> [laughter]

00:46:57.358 --> 00:47:02.239
>> you know, on a hot day, you know, and

00:46:59.800 --> 00:47:04.120
and you know, and John said, "That's not

00:47:02.239 --> 00:47:06.439
the sun. That's just the the sun's

00:47:04.119 --> 00:47:10.319
atmosphere that's on fire." And I said,

00:47:06.440 --> 00:47:12.159
"You're just crazy." But we got along

00:47:10.320 --> 00:47:15.240
and he knew that I I thought he was

00:47:12.159 --> 00:47:17.239
crazy, but the thing is a lot of people

00:47:15.239 --> 00:47:19.399
did come to him

00:47:17.239 --> 00:47:21.959
and give him good information.

00:47:19.400 --> 00:47:23.320
Um

00:47:21.960 --> 00:47:23.960
Anyway, I don't remember where I was

00:47:23.320 --> 00:47:26.480
going with this.

00:47:23.960 --> 00:47:28.358
>> the thing about some people. Some people

00:47:26.480 --> 00:47:31.880
will tell you nonsense and then they'll

00:47:28.358 --> 00:47:34.358
tell you true things. And it's difficult

00:47:31.880 --> 00:47:36.960
to accept that true things also come

00:47:34.358 --> 00:47:38.840
from people that say nonsense. Like just

00:47:36.960 --> 00:47:41.358
because they've said something that's

00:47:38.840 --> 00:47:43.000
nonsense doesn't mean necessarily that

00:47:41.358 --> 00:47:45.319
this thing they're saying is not true.

00:47:43.000 --> 00:47:47.400
This other thing. And you've got to be

00:47:45.320 --> 00:47:48.880
able to discern.

00:47:47.400 --> 00:47:50.559
You've got like I talk to a lot of

00:47:48.880 --> 00:47:51.680
people that say a lot of kooky things

00:47:50.559 --> 00:47:53.519
that don't make any sense, but then

00:47:51.679 --> 00:47:56.039
they'll say something that rings true.

00:47:53.519 --> 00:47:59.159
And it's it's difficult because you have

00:47:56.039 --> 00:48:01.960
to have some sort of an understanding of

00:47:59.159 --> 00:48:03.679
the human psyche and of those kind of

00:48:01.960 --> 00:48:06.039
people because there are kind of people

00:48:03.679 --> 00:48:08.119
that have very loose nets.

00:48:06.039 --> 00:48:08.880
You're counting on their filter working

00:48:08.119 --> 00:48:09.559
like yours.

00:48:08.880 --> 00:48:11.320
>> it doesn't.

00:48:09.559 --> 00:48:12.719
>> And it No, it doesn't. Some people

00:48:11.320 --> 00:48:14.519
>> stuff gets in there and you go, "Hold

00:48:12.719 --> 00:48:16.239
on. What did you just say?

00:48:14.519 --> 00:48:18.280
Tell me that again. How does that one

00:48:16.239 --> 00:48:19.879
work?" Yeah, you can't really discount

00:48:18.280 --> 00:48:22.000
people because somebody comes up with

00:48:19.880 --> 00:48:24.400
some absolute nonsense. It just means

00:48:22.000 --> 00:48:26.239
their filter is defective.

00:48:24.400 --> 00:48:28.720
But Which is also the reason why they're

00:48:26.239 --> 00:48:31.439
willing to entertain things that are

00:48:28.719 --> 00:48:34.799
outside of the normal spectrum. Right.

00:48:31.440 --> 00:48:37.840
So like they might have actual real

00:48:34.800 --> 00:48:39.640
useful information but it's wrapped up

00:48:37.840 --> 00:48:42.519
in there with Bigfoot.

00:48:39.639 --> 00:48:44.440
Exactly. Yeah, exactly. But so the soul

00:48:42.519 --> 00:48:46.880
catcher thing. Oh, that yeah, that's

00:48:44.440 --> 00:48:48.358
where I was going. The soul catcher. So

00:48:46.880 --> 00:48:50.559
um

00:48:48.358 --> 00:48:53.440
I remember him sitting and I think he

00:48:50.559 --> 00:48:55.000
was telling my wife Joy this story

00:48:53.440 --> 00:48:57.039
because I walked in on it. He said,

00:48:55.000 --> 00:48:59.018
"Yeah, there are these giant antennas

00:48:57.039 --> 00:48:59.679
and when you die

00:48:59.018 --> 00:49:03.159
>> [laughter]

00:48:59.679 --> 00:49:06.440
>> your soul goes up and I think he said

00:49:03.159 --> 00:49:08.399
the grays, you know, this alien race set

00:49:06.440 --> 00:49:10.960
up this soul catcher and that's what

00:49:08.400 --> 00:49:12.119
this whole thing is about. And as you

00:49:10.960 --> 00:49:15.039
die

00:49:12.119 --> 00:49:18.159
it sucks your soul in and they use it in

00:49:15.039 --> 00:49:20.000
some way. And um it's not where your

00:49:18.159 --> 00:49:22.519
soul is supposed to go. They just like

00:49:20.000 --> 00:49:24.079
set some sort of intercept.

00:49:22.519 --> 00:49:25.159
>> say where your soul was supposed to go?

00:49:24.079 --> 00:49:27.319
No. No.

00:49:25.159 --> 00:49:28.159
>> No, he was just more really into the

00:49:27.320 --> 00:49:29.480
soul catcher.

00:49:28.159 --> 00:49:33.199
>> Well, that was one of the weirder things

00:49:29.480 --> 00:49:35.039
about some of the documents that you had

00:49:33.199 --> 00:49:37.000
at least been alerted to when you're on

00:49:35.039 --> 00:49:39.880
the base. And one of them being that

00:49:37.000 --> 00:49:40.960
humans are containers. Yeah. All right.

00:49:39.880 --> 00:49:41.640
Yeah.

00:49:40.960 --> 00:49:43.599
Yeah, and

00:49:41.639 --> 00:49:46.159
>> Which the likely conclusion is

00:49:43.599 --> 00:49:47.319
containers of souls. If a soul is a real

00:49:46.159 --> 00:49:49.000
thing, whatever that That's what you

00:49:47.320 --> 00:49:51.640
would think. Right. I mean, that's what

00:49:49.000 --> 00:49:52.000
I thought. Yeah. I mean, It's just a

00:49:51.639 --> 00:49:54.719
guess.

00:49:52.000 --> 00:49:57.519
>> prefer to believe that that's that's not

00:49:54.719 --> 00:50:00.159
true. Mhm. Um

00:49:57.519 --> 00:50:02.800
but maybe it is. I just they I don't

00:50:00.159 --> 00:50:05.319
know. As Barry said, you know, they mix

00:50:02.800 --> 00:50:08.360
absolute nonsense in there.

00:50:05.320 --> 00:50:10.360
So, if they get if you

00:50:08.360 --> 00:50:11.960
and it's unique to each person. So, if

00:50:10.360 --> 00:50:13.920
you give out any information and they

00:50:11.960 --> 00:50:15.519
go, "Oh, we heard some stuff about soul

00:50:13.920 --> 00:50:18.400
catchers. Oh, we know that came from

00:50:15.519 --> 00:50:20.119
Lazar." You know, so, um

00:50:18.400 --> 00:50:22.440
that's just a way where they can direct

00:50:20.119 --> 00:50:24.719
where it where it came to.

00:50:22.440 --> 00:50:26.480
But Then the problem is like decades and

00:50:24.719 --> 00:50:28.079
decades, generations and generations of

00:50:26.480 --> 00:50:30.199
people working there. How many people

00:50:28.079 --> 00:50:31.199
know what the real truth is? And how

00:50:30.199 --> 00:50:33.119
many people know

00:50:31.199 --> 00:50:35.279
>> know. I mean, there must be a Yeah,

00:50:33.119 --> 00:50:36.880
there must be a group of people that

00:50:35.280 --> 00:50:39.640
really have the pure information of

00:50:36.880 --> 00:50:41.240
what's going on. I would assume, but not

00:50:39.639 --> 00:50:43.239
necessarily.

00:50:41.239 --> 00:50:45.119
I would think over There has to be there

00:50:43.239 --> 00:50:47.559
has to be a group of people that know

00:50:45.119 --> 00:50:50.679
what's going on. And um Who are those

00:50:47.559 --> 00:50:53.159
people? Mhm. You know, and to me, like I

00:50:50.679 --> 00:50:55.319
I was telling Luigi, I have a bunch of

00:50:53.159 --> 00:50:56.359
questions for me.

00:50:55.320 --> 00:50:58.240
You know? Right.

00:50:56.360 --> 00:51:00.440
>> Um Like what would be your questions for

00:50:58.239 --> 00:51:03.319
you if you met you? Yeah. Now, questions

00:51:00.440 --> 00:51:06.880
for me are people that ask me over

00:51:03.320 --> 00:51:10.320
decades the same same questions. You

00:51:06.880 --> 00:51:12.000
know, why is it the Navy? The Navy paid

00:51:10.320 --> 00:51:13.800
me. I always said the Navy everything

00:51:12.000 --> 00:51:16.159
has been the Navy instead of the Air

00:51:13.800 --> 00:51:18.800
Force because, you know, back in the

00:51:16.159 --> 00:51:20.799
'60s and '70s, you know, there's Project

00:51:18.800 --> 00:51:23.120
Blue Book in the Air Force and all that,

00:51:20.800 --> 00:51:25.640
but um

00:51:23.119 --> 00:51:27.319
everything associated with this was the

00:51:25.639 --> 00:51:29.000
Navy.

00:51:27.320 --> 00:51:31.840
So,

00:51:29.000 --> 00:51:33.239
and in these days, you hear some of

00:51:31.840 --> 00:51:35.720
these

00:51:33.239 --> 00:51:38.479
new types of crafts that are

00:51:35.719 --> 00:51:41.239
transmedium. Yeah, you you hear the word

00:51:38.480 --> 00:51:43.079
transmedium and in it David Fravor,

00:51:41.239 --> 00:51:45.399
Commander David Fravor, you know, with

00:51:43.079 --> 00:51:47.159
the Tic Tac and you know, things are

00:51:45.400 --> 00:51:50.360
under the water.

00:51:47.159 --> 00:51:51.960
And you know, supposedly the the craft

00:51:50.360 --> 00:51:54.760
that

00:51:51.960 --> 00:51:57.480
the sport model was an archaeological

00:51:54.760 --> 00:52:01.400
recovery, and that itself was

00:51:57.480 --> 00:52:03.840
underwater. So, what is

00:52:01.400 --> 00:52:06.480
what is the deal with the water?

00:52:03.840 --> 00:52:09.400
I mean, it's it's

00:52:06.480 --> 00:52:10.679
it's by far the biggest medium of the

00:52:09.400 --> 00:52:13.440
planet.

00:52:10.679 --> 00:52:15.440
I mean, if you want to hide

00:52:13.440 --> 00:52:18.119
people down there, almost an entire

00:52:15.440 --> 00:52:20.360
civilization down there, you could do it

00:52:18.119 --> 00:52:22.519
in the ocean as long as you do it deep

00:52:20.360 --> 00:52:24.640
enough and away from people.

00:52:22.519 --> 00:52:26.639
So, yeah, number one is what's the deal

00:52:24.639 --> 00:52:28.719
with the ocean? That's probably the the

00:52:26.639 --> 00:52:30.400
number one question. Because there's a

00:52:28.719 --> 00:52:32.000
ton of sightings

00:52:30.400 --> 00:52:33.800
where people see things come out of the

00:52:32.000 --> 00:52:34.920
water

00:52:33.800 --> 00:52:37.080
and go into the water.

00:52:34.920 --> 00:52:39.079
>> Yeah, there has to be a reason for that.

00:52:37.079 --> 00:52:42.000
Well, it just in terms of if they have

00:52:39.079 --> 00:52:44.400
the ability to travel through space, if

00:52:42.000 --> 00:52:46.599
they if whatever that thing is really

00:52:44.400 --> 00:52:48.480
does create some sort of a gravity

00:52:46.599 --> 00:52:52.839
bubble or some sort of a space-time

00:52:48.480 --> 00:52:54.679
bubble. Yeah, but maybe it's not space.

00:52:52.840 --> 00:52:57.120
Maybe it's not space. Maybe maybe it's

00:52:54.679 --> 00:52:58.599
time. Maybe it's another dimension.

00:52:57.119 --> 00:53:01.199
There's

00:52:58.599 --> 00:53:04.480
there's really no limit. If you can

00:53:01.199 --> 00:53:06.359
start manipulating

00:53:04.480 --> 00:53:08.320
physics in that way,

00:53:06.360 --> 00:53:10.920
um

00:53:08.320 --> 00:53:16.200
you can bend time, you can

00:53:10.920 --> 00:53:16.200
open doorways into other dimensions. So,

00:53:17.000 --> 00:53:21.360
maybe it has nothing to do with going I

00:53:19.760 --> 00:53:22.280
Look, we all want it to be like Star

00:53:21.360 --> 00:53:24.240
Trek. Right.

00:53:22.280 --> 00:53:25.920
>> You know, because Star Trek is really

00:53:24.239 --> 00:53:27.239
understandable. Right.

00:53:25.920 --> 00:53:29.400
>> You go out there, you fly to another

00:53:27.239 --> 00:53:31.239
planet. You meet the people there, you

00:53:29.400 --> 00:53:33.360
go to another one. Well, these guys are

00:53:31.239 --> 00:53:35.519
happy, those guys aren't, you know, and

00:53:33.360 --> 00:53:39.280
it all makes perfect sense.

00:53:35.519 --> 00:53:39.280
I don't really think it's like that.

00:53:39.519 --> 00:53:41.679
Look,

00:53:40.400 --> 00:53:43.720
you know, if you look in history,

00:53:41.679 --> 00:53:44.879
especially, you know, in United States

00:53:43.719 --> 00:53:48.359
history,

00:53:44.880 --> 00:53:50.599
anytime a superior

00:53:48.360 --> 00:53:54.160
race or intelligence meets with an

00:53:50.599 --> 00:53:56.799
inferior one, it's never good for the

00:53:54.159 --> 00:53:59.199
inferior guys. Never.

00:53:56.800 --> 00:54:00.960
We never come over and go, "Oh, we just

00:53:59.199 --> 00:54:03.519
want to teach you guys everything that

00:54:00.960 --> 00:54:05.119
we know." Right. No, no. It's like,

00:54:03.519 --> 00:54:07.039
"We're going to rape all your women,

00:54:05.119 --> 00:54:08.719
take all your stuff, and then just kill

00:54:07.039 --> 00:54:10.679
you." Use your resources.

00:54:08.719 --> 00:54:12.799
>> Yeah, right. And just consume everything

00:54:10.679 --> 00:54:14.799
you want. That's just always the way it

00:54:12.800 --> 00:54:18.760
goes. Now, maybe that's just what humans

00:54:14.800 --> 00:54:21.280
do, but I would be concerned that's what

00:54:18.760 --> 00:54:24.000
all life does. Well,

00:54:21.280 --> 00:54:26.400
we are territorial primates. Mhm. And

00:54:24.000 --> 00:54:28.320
that makes sense that that's what we do.

00:54:26.400 --> 00:54:30.240
The thing that always fascinates me

00:54:28.320 --> 00:54:32.080
about particularly the grays, they seem

00:54:30.239 --> 00:54:35.279
to be genderless,

00:54:32.079 --> 00:54:37.039
and they seem to have no muscle at all.

00:54:35.280 --> 00:54:39.880
They and they seem to have enormous

00:54:37.039 --> 00:54:42.599
heads, and the

00:54:39.880 --> 00:54:44.599
stories at least, the anecdotal accounts

00:54:42.599 --> 00:54:46.880
of people having communication with

00:54:44.599 --> 00:54:49.639
these creatures is that they communicate

00:54:46.880 --> 00:54:54.240
in some way telepathically.

00:54:49.639 --> 00:54:57.000
Yeah. If you transcend all of our weird

00:54:54.239 --> 00:54:58.358
biological needs, like all the things

00:54:57.000 --> 00:55:01.480
that are attached to being a human

00:54:58.358 --> 00:55:03.960
being, ego, lust, greed, desire to

00:55:01.480 --> 00:55:06.760
conquer, desire to control resources,

00:55:03.960 --> 00:55:08.000
all those things are territorial primate

00:55:06.760 --> 00:55:09.240
instincts.

00:55:08.000 --> 00:55:10.599
And one of the conversations I had

00:55:09.239 --> 00:55:13.279
yesterday with my friend Theo, we were

00:55:10.599 --> 00:55:15.000
talking about like what's happening to

00:55:13.280 --> 00:55:18.200
people's bodies,

00:55:15.000 --> 00:55:21.920
is that people are slowly

00:55:18.199 --> 00:55:23.559
we're consuming microplastics and

00:55:21.920 --> 00:55:25.840
phthalates and all these things that are

00:55:23.559 --> 00:55:28.400
reducing our reproductive system, our

00:55:25.840 --> 00:55:30.720
testosterone's dropping. Right, right.

00:55:28.400 --> 00:55:33.920
All this stuff like leads you to say,

00:55:30.719 --> 00:55:36.480
"Well, where does this go ultimately?"

00:55:33.920 --> 00:55:39.240
Like what what how many more people are

00:55:36.480 --> 00:55:42.039
autistic now than were before? It's one

00:55:39.239 --> 00:55:44.199
out of 12 boys in California now. Used

00:55:42.039 --> 00:55:46.599
to be one out of 10,000 just a few

00:55:44.199 --> 00:55:48.199
decades ago. Like we're moving into this

00:55:46.599 --> 00:55:49.159
very weird direction without us

00:55:48.199 --> 00:55:51.000
recognizing it.

00:55:49.159 --> 00:55:53.119
>> me stop you there. It's one out of how

00:55:51.000 --> 00:55:56.159
many? One out of 12 boys in California

00:55:53.119 --> 00:55:59.440
are diagnosed autistic now.

00:55:56.159 --> 00:56:01.759
But do you think that might be the way

00:55:59.440 --> 00:56:03.320
they're diagnosed? No.

00:56:01.760 --> 00:56:06.000
No, I think it's exposure. I think it's

00:56:03.320 --> 00:56:08.760
exposed to chemicals, vaccines,

00:56:06.000 --> 00:56:10.199
environmental toxins. You think that do,

00:56:08.760 --> 00:56:13.040
yeah? I think that. It's not just me.

00:56:10.199 --> 00:56:14.159
There's tons of studies and and a lot of

00:56:13.039 --> 00:56:15.679
buried studies, too.

00:56:14.159 --> 00:56:17.799
>> Okay. I mean, if that's accurate, that's

00:56:15.679 --> 00:56:20.358
frightening. Yeah. Well, it is it's it

00:56:17.800 --> 00:56:21.920
can't be just diagnosed because I mean,

00:56:20.358 --> 00:56:23.960
I know so many people that have

00:56:21.920 --> 00:56:25.920
nonverbal autistic kids, where I didn't

00:56:23.960 --> 00:56:29.280
know anybody that had nonverbal autistic

00:56:25.920 --> 00:56:29.280
kids when I was younger. Well,

00:56:29.320 --> 00:56:34.200
you know, I mean, back in the '60s and

00:56:31.800 --> 00:56:35.080
'70s, there was no there were no kids

00:56:34.199 --> 00:56:36.399
with ADHD.

00:56:35.079 --> 00:56:37.599
>> Mhm.

00:56:36.400 --> 00:56:39.960
Kids that were like that were just

00:56:37.599 --> 00:56:42.960
Mhm. You know? I think that's

00:56:39.960 --> 00:56:45.079
still the the case. I don't think ADHD

00:56:42.960 --> 00:56:47.639
is a real diagnosis. I think it's a real

00:56:45.079 --> 00:56:50.358
excuse to give people medication. I

00:56:47.639 --> 00:56:52.559
think ADHD is essentially a superpower.

00:56:50.358 --> 00:56:54.480
What ADHD is allows you to concentrate

00:56:52.559 --> 00:56:56.000
on things that you really enjoy, but you

00:56:54.480 --> 00:56:58.519
cannot concentrate on things you don't

00:56:56.000 --> 00:57:00.079
enjoy. Okay. I think I have it.

00:56:58.519 --> 00:57:02.239
You know, and I think I'm very fortunate

00:57:00.079 --> 00:57:04.440
that I'm not diagnosed and medicated or

00:57:02.239 --> 00:57:06.119
wasn't or was born in the right time

00:57:04.440 --> 00:57:08.000
when they weren't doing that as much.

00:57:06.119 --> 00:57:10.199
>> No, I actually I'll stop you there and

00:57:08.000 --> 00:57:12.559
say I I agree that that's a superpower,

00:57:10.199 --> 00:57:14.199
too. Because it's a very unusual. I can

00:57:12.559 --> 00:57:16.559
Yeah, yeah. If I find a thing that I

00:57:14.199 --> 00:57:19.039
like, I can lock in and concentrate on

00:57:16.559 --> 00:57:21.279
it for 12, 14 hours with no sleep, no

00:57:19.039 --> 00:57:23.639
food. All I need is like water or

00:57:21.280 --> 00:57:26.649
coffee, and and I'm locked in. All

00:57:23.639 --> 00:57:26.679
right. I locked in for 4 and 1/2 years.

00:57:26.648 --> 00:57:28.400
>> [laughter]

00:57:26.679 --> 00:57:30.839
>> Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know. I don't I

00:57:28.400 --> 00:57:32.440
don't think I think what ADHD is you're

00:57:30.840 --> 00:57:34.160
taking kids, you're putting them in a

00:57:32.440 --> 00:57:35.679
completely unnatural environment, you're

00:57:34.159 --> 00:57:36.960
making them sit down. They don't want to

00:57:35.679 --> 00:57:38.799
sit down. They're very active and

00:57:36.960 --> 00:57:41.519
energetic. You're making them study

00:57:38.800 --> 00:57:42.560
things by very unenthusiastic teachers.

00:57:41.519 --> 00:57:43.920
They don't want to pay attention.

00:57:42.559 --> 00:57:45.840
They're off in class because

00:57:43.920 --> 00:57:47.680
they're completely bored. And then

00:57:45.840 --> 00:57:49.200
you're saying that kid's got a problem.

00:57:47.679 --> 00:57:50.159
We have to diagnose them. And then what

00:57:49.199 --> 00:57:52.000
do you give them? You give them

00:57:50.159 --> 00:57:54.319
Adderall. And all of a sudden the kid's

00:57:52.000 --> 00:57:56.199
locked in cuz they're on speed.

00:57:54.320 --> 00:57:58.480
>> Yeah. And I just think

00:57:56.199 --> 00:57:59.319
>> if you focus in and let them do what

00:57:58.480 --> 00:58:01.320
they're interested in.

00:57:59.320 --> 00:58:03.240
>> kid a video game. Watch him play it for

00:58:01.320 --> 00:58:04.440
10 hours with no food. Cuz

00:58:03.239 --> 00:58:05.879
that's what happens. Cuz that's

00:58:04.440 --> 00:58:08.760
something they're actually engaged with.

00:58:05.880 --> 00:58:10.840
It's not that they can't be focused on

00:58:08.760 --> 00:58:12.600
anything. They just don't focus on

00:58:10.840 --> 00:58:14.440
things they enjoy. And we want to turn

00:58:12.599 --> 00:58:16.079
people into nice little factory workers.

00:58:14.440 --> 00:58:17.840
>> Right. And the only way to do that is

00:58:16.079 --> 00:58:19.358
you got to get a kid to comply. You got

00:58:17.840 --> 00:58:19.920
to get a kid to pay attention and follow

00:58:19.358 --> 00:58:21.358
the rules.

00:58:19.920 --> 00:58:23.720
>> the same channel. It's really great. I

00:58:21.358 --> 00:58:24.960
don't believe that ADHD is a real thing.

00:58:23.719 --> 00:58:27.039
I just think there's some people that

00:58:24.960 --> 00:58:29.599
are wired differently, and they should

00:58:27.039 --> 00:58:30.920
pursue different things in life. Right.

00:58:29.599 --> 00:58:33.920
The difference between that and autism

00:58:30.920 --> 00:58:37.320
is very different. And autism is

00:58:33.920 --> 00:58:40.519
especially when it happens like almost

00:58:37.320 --> 00:58:41.880
directly after multiple vaccinations.

00:58:40.519 --> 00:58:43.800
There's a lot of them they point to,

00:58:41.880 --> 00:58:45.440
particularly the MMR vaccine. There's a

00:58:43.800 --> 00:58:47.519
there's there's quite a few. When you

00:58:45.440 --> 00:58:49.079
look at the schedule of vaccines and how

00:58:47.519 --> 00:58:51.440
it ramped up and it completely

00:58:49.079 --> 00:58:53.799
correlates with the ramping up of the

00:58:51.440 --> 00:58:55.960
diagnoses of autism.

00:58:53.800 --> 00:58:57.560
But but without casting aspersions or

00:58:55.960 --> 00:58:59.880
getting into some anti-vaccine

00:58:57.559 --> 00:59:01.960
conversation, Wait, you just did. I

00:58:59.880 --> 00:59:04.559
know, I did. But what I'm saying is but

00:59:01.960 --> 00:59:06.800
ultimately the human race is moving into

00:59:04.559 --> 00:59:08.759
a very weird place. So, I had a

00:59:06.800 --> 00:59:11.400
conversation with um

00:59:08.760 --> 00:59:14.280
Shanna Swan, Dr. Shanna Swan, who

00:59:11.400 --> 00:59:17.039
is uh she studies environmental

00:59:14.280 --> 00:59:20.240
endocrine disruptors. So, various

00:59:17.039 --> 00:59:22.719
toxins, phthalates, microplastics, and

00:59:20.239 --> 00:59:25.479
plasticizers that are completely

00:59:22.719 --> 00:59:27.799
disruptive to people's endocrine system,

00:59:25.480 --> 00:59:29.400
reproductive system. And from the

00:59:27.800 --> 00:59:32.280
introduction of these petrochemical

00:59:29.400 --> 00:59:35.200
products in the 1950s and '60s, you see

00:59:32.280 --> 00:59:39.440
a direct correlation between the dip in

00:59:35.199 --> 00:59:41.319
testosterone rates in amongst men, the

00:59:39.440 --> 00:59:44.320
uh increase of miscarriages and

00:59:41.320 --> 00:59:47.480
infertility, and then on top of that,

00:59:44.320 --> 00:59:48.640
the actual shrinking of their taint. So,

00:59:47.480 --> 00:59:51.199
one of the ways they find out the

00:59:48.639 --> 00:59:54.839
difference between mammals um some

00:59:51.199 --> 00:59:57.960
mammals in particular, when you see a a

00:59:54.840 --> 01:00:01.240
a a child a baby mammal, the difference

00:59:57.960 --> 01:00:03.599
between a male and a female is easily

01:00:01.239 --> 01:00:06.479
recognized by the size of the gap

01:00:03.599 --> 01:00:07.599
between their anal their anal hole and

01:00:06.480 --> 01:00:10.719
where their genitals are.

01:00:07.599 --> 01:00:12.799
>> But, that could just be correlation.

01:00:10.719 --> 01:00:14.519
You know, it's like No, no, no. No, no,

01:00:12.800 --> 01:00:16.240
no. No, I'll explain why it's not.

01:00:14.519 --> 01:00:18.280
Because when they've done studies where

01:00:16.239 --> 01:00:20.519
they've used phthalates, particularly

01:00:18.280 --> 01:00:23.160
phthalates, and they've introduced them

01:00:20.519 --> 01:00:24.920
specifically purposely into certain

01:00:23.159 --> 01:00:27.239
mammals and rodents, their taint

01:00:24.920 --> 01:00:29.840
shrinks. Hm. And their taint shrinks and

01:00:27.239 --> 01:00:31.479
their penises their penis size shrinks.

01:00:29.840 --> 01:00:33.880
And there's studies on rivers, they have

01:00:31.480 --> 01:00:35.400
smaller penises. And she she talked

01:00:33.880 --> 01:00:38.880
about all this. And all this these are

01:00:35.400 --> 01:00:38.880
endocrine disruptors

01:00:39.440 --> 01:00:44.559
that are in the environment that are

01:00:40.840 --> 01:00:47.360
doing something that reduces fertility.

01:00:44.559 --> 01:00:49.079
And it changes the way the human biology

01:00:47.360 --> 01:00:50.680
functions. And it makes men more

01:00:49.079 --> 01:00:53.279
feminine and it makes women less

01:00:50.679 --> 01:00:55.679
fertile. Okay. Well, ultimately we look

01:00:53.280 --> 01:00:57.160
at the Grays, what do they look like?

01:00:55.679 --> 01:00:58.639
Yeah. They look like they have no

01:00:57.159 --> 01:01:01.119
genitals. They look like they have they

01:00:58.639 --> 01:01:05.159
have no sex. They have like That might

01:01:01.119 --> 01:01:08.239
be where biology has to go to transcend

01:01:05.159 --> 01:01:09.719
away from our territorial primate

01:01:08.239 --> 01:01:11.879
biology.

01:01:09.719 --> 01:01:14.919
Our territorial primate biology that is

01:01:11.880 --> 01:01:17.240
insistent on war and violence and Right.

01:01:14.920 --> 01:01:17.880
And we think this is the place to stay.

01:01:17.239 --> 01:01:18.839
Exactly.

01:01:17.880 --> 01:01:20.680
>> And it may not be.

01:01:18.840 --> 01:01:23.680
>> It may not be. It it it may be

01:01:20.679 --> 01:01:24.679
completely non-beneficial to all life.

01:01:23.679 --> 01:01:26.719
>> Right. Right.

01:01:24.679 --> 01:01:28.559
>> That we have to transcend that. And

01:01:26.719 --> 01:01:30.639
well, we are transcending it whether we

01:01:28.559 --> 01:01:33.920
like it or not. And what I was saying is

01:01:30.639 --> 01:01:37.119
that I don't know if it's a bug. I think

01:01:33.920 --> 01:01:40.320
it might be a feature of evolution. That

01:01:37.119 --> 01:01:43.359
our insistence on using plastics and

01:01:40.320 --> 01:01:44.880
technology and all of these different

01:01:43.360 --> 01:01:49.760
environmental

01:01:44.880 --> 01:01:52.640
toxins that we use to produce energy and

01:01:49.760 --> 01:01:55.520
all the goods and services that we need

01:01:52.639 --> 01:01:58.839
also are disrupting our endocrine system

01:01:55.519 --> 01:02:01.800
and changing us from being these hulking

01:01:58.840 --> 01:02:05.039
hair-covered cave men to being these

01:02:01.800 --> 01:02:07.120
very small, slight autistic men that can

01:02:05.039 --> 01:02:08.800
code 24 hours a day without

01:02:07.119 --> 01:02:11.679
sleep. Right.

01:02:08.800 --> 01:02:13.840
It seems like if you extrapolate and you

01:02:11.679 --> 01:02:16.000
naturally take that further, well, what

01:02:13.840 --> 01:02:18.920
do you get? You get really skinny things

01:02:16.000 --> 01:02:21.480
with no muscles and giant heads. My my

01:02:18.920 --> 01:02:24.680
take also and I and I do agree with that

01:02:21.480 --> 01:02:25.920
is what I find out what I find sometimes

01:02:24.679 --> 01:02:29.919
really

01:02:25.920 --> 01:02:33.280
uh concerning is how fast that's moving.

01:02:29.920 --> 01:02:35.159
So, it's not just a question of like is

01:02:33.280 --> 01:02:37.840
this actually

01:02:35.159 --> 01:02:40.480
it it this is probably a thing, but it's

01:02:37.840 --> 01:02:41.920
moving so incredibly fast. If I look at

01:02:40.480 --> 01:02:43.880
my father's generation or my

01:02:41.920 --> 01:02:45.360
grandfather's generation and my

01:02:43.880 --> 01:02:48.559
generation,

01:02:45.360 --> 01:02:51.440
I mean, it's it's similar, but now it's

01:02:48.559 --> 01:02:53.239
moving so fast. I I I do agree with

01:02:51.440 --> 01:02:55.280
you're saying and I'm thinking if it's

01:02:53.239 --> 01:02:57.639
moving so fast,

01:02:55.280 --> 01:02:59.280
there could be a not a natural component

01:02:57.639 --> 01:03:00.079
to it, but there's an intentional

01:02:59.280 --> 01:03:02.560
component.

01:03:00.079 --> 01:03:04.799
>> Right. If you wanted to do something to

01:03:02.559 --> 01:03:06.599
a race to change it. Like think about

01:03:04.800 --> 01:03:08.880
what we did with wolves.

01:03:06.599 --> 01:03:11.079
Right. All dogs are wolves. Yeah. Right.

01:03:08.880 --> 01:03:12.360
I have two dogs that are the furthest

01:03:11.079 --> 01:03:13.319
thing from wolves you could

01:03:12.360 --> 01:03:15.768
possibly imagine.

01:03:13.320 --> 01:03:15.840
>> Is that Marshmallow? Marshall. Yeah,

01:03:15.768 --> 01:03:16.880
>> [laughter]

01:03:15.840 --> 01:03:17.960
>> you can call him he might be a

01:03:16.880 --> 01:03:19.680
Marshmallow. He might as well be a

01:03:17.960 --> 01:03:21.079
Marshmallow. Marshall who's a Golden

01:03:19.679 --> 01:03:22.399
Retriever is the sweetest dog of all

01:03:21.079 --> 01:03:24.840
time. Then I have another dog named

01:03:22.400 --> 01:03:27.519
Charlie who's a King Charles Cavalier

01:03:24.840 --> 01:03:30.200
Spaniel who's even further from a wolf

01:03:27.519 --> 01:03:33.480
than Marshall. He's just a cute little

01:03:30.199 --> 01:03:35.759
fuzzy little sweetheart. They have no

01:03:33.480 --> 01:03:37.320
killer instincts whatsoever.

01:03:35.760 --> 01:03:40.440
That used to be a wolf. Right, well,

01:03:37.320 --> 01:03:42.480
what happened? We softened them to the

01:03:40.440 --> 01:03:45.559
point where they're something compatible

01:03:42.480 --> 01:03:48.559
with our modern life with households and

01:03:45.559 --> 01:03:51.039
families and babies and you can we made

01:03:48.559 --> 01:03:52.759
them safe. And that's happening to

01:03:51.039 --> 01:03:54.480
people.

01:03:52.760 --> 01:03:55.760
It's happening to people whether we like

01:03:54.480 --> 01:03:56.960
it or not. We could attribute it to all

01:03:55.760 --> 01:03:58.160
these different factors. Oh, it's a

01:03:56.960 --> 01:03:59.519
problem. We have to remove these things

01:03:58.159 --> 01:04:02.799
from the environment. This is what's

01:03:59.519 --> 01:04:04.920
going on. Maybe or maybe you just look

01:04:02.800 --> 01:04:06.880
at the overall picture, there seems to

01:04:04.920 --> 01:04:08.920
be an insatiable desire for innovation

01:04:06.880 --> 01:04:10.760
and technology that human beings have.

01:04:08.920 --> 01:04:12.119
If you looked at us from afar, if you

01:04:10.760 --> 01:04:13.280
weren't part of the human race and

01:04:12.119 --> 01:04:15.599
you're just studying us, you're like,

01:04:13.280 --> 01:04:17.320
what does this species do? Well, makes

01:04:15.599 --> 01:04:18.559
better things. Makes better things all

01:04:17.320 --> 01:04:20.559
the time.

01:04:18.559 --> 01:04:22.799
Constantly. You know, I look I have a

01:04:20.559 --> 01:04:25.000
iPhone 16 here. It's not as good as the

01:04:22.800 --> 01:04:26.560
iPhone 17. iPhone 17's better. Why don't

01:04:25.000 --> 01:04:28.400
you get an iPhone 17? You know, it just

01:04:26.559 --> 01:04:30.480
like keeps going. It never stops. It

01:04:28.400 --> 01:04:32.599
never ends. The TVs get bigger. They get

01:04:30.480 --> 01:04:35.760
stronger. Your cars get faster. Your

01:04:32.599 --> 01:04:38.039
computer does more cores. Does

01:04:35.760 --> 01:04:40.400
processing, video editing so much

01:04:38.039 --> 01:04:42.079
quicker. Everything moves faster and

01:04:40.400 --> 01:04:43.880
better. We keep making better things. We

01:04:42.079 --> 01:04:46.400
never stop and say, you know what?

01:04:43.880 --> 01:04:48.480
Society right now, we have a lot of

01:04:46.400 --> 01:04:50.639
problems. The problems that we don't

01:04:48.480 --> 01:04:52.719
have are technology. Our technology

01:04:50.639 --> 01:04:54.199
seems completely suitable to this world

01:04:52.719 --> 01:04:55.279
that we're living in right now. Let's

01:04:54.199 --> 01:04:57.279
just

01:04:55.280 --> 01:04:59.519
new things and concentrate on cleaning

01:04:57.280 --> 01:05:01.800
the rivers and concentrate on stopping

01:04:59.519 --> 01:05:04.000
crime and concentrate on educating

01:05:01.800 --> 01:05:06.840
people. Concentrate on counseling for

01:05:04.000 --> 01:05:08.719
troubled young people. No. No, we just

01:05:06.840 --> 01:05:11.280
plow forward ahead with the one thing

01:05:08.719 --> 01:05:12.919
that we absolutely guarantee to do. We

01:05:11.280 --> 01:05:15.120
make better things. We make better

01:05:12.920 --> 01:05:17.280
weapons, better cars, faster planes.

01:05:15.119 --> 01:05:19.920
Everything we do, we make things better.

01:05:17.280 --> 01:05:22.720
And I'll and I'll sorry, I have to add

01:05:19.920 --> 01:05:24.639
we do that and we also do it in a way

01:05:22.719 --> 01:05:26.358
where it's economically beneficial to

01:05:24.639 --> 01:05:28.319
the ones that are making it because we

01:05:26.358 --> 01:05:30.119
make things break now.

01:05:28.320 --> 01:05:31.760
Think about it. We make better things,

01:05:30.119 --> 01:05:34.079
but we make them so that you have to buy

01:05:31.760 --> 01:05:35.960
the better thing after. Right.

01:05:34.079 --> 01:05:36.880
Engineered obsolescence. Yeah. That's

01:05:35.960 --> 01:05:39.920
also important.

01:05:36.880 --> 01:05:42.559
>> Yeah, it is because then it also human

01:05:39.920 --> 01:05:45.480
beings have this very bizarre desire for

01:05:42.559 --> 01:05:48.358
materialism. Like what why would a thing

01:05:45.480 --> 01:05:51.159
with a finite lifespan want to

01:05:48.358 --> 01:05:53.279
accumulate objects? Like I know people

01:05:51.159 --> 01:05:55.480
that are in their 80s that collect

01:05:53.280 --> 01:05:57.280
things. Like what are you doing

01:05:55.480 --> 01:05:59.639
with that stuff? You're going to die.

01:05:57.280 --> 01:06:02.200
You have maybe like 10 summers left on

01:05:59.639 --> 01:06:04.319
on Earth. And here you are collecting

01:06:02.199 --> 01:06:07.119
stamps or cars or

01:06:04.320 --> 01:06:10.655
>> yeah. No, no. I've gotten to that. It's

01:06:07.119 --> 01:06:11.159
weird. Yeah, I mean, at some point you

01:06:10.655 --> 01:06:13.600
>> [cough and clears throat]

01:06:11.159 --> 01:06:14.920
>> you have to bypass the accumulating

01:06:13.599 --> 01:06:18.679
stuff Right.

01:06:14.920 --> 01:06:22.159
>> part of life. But, materialism ensures a

01:06:18.679 --> 01:06:23.679
constant fueling of innovation.

01:06:22.159 --> 01:06:25.679
Because this is one of the things that

01:06:23.679 --> 01:06:27.719
gets people excited about collecting new

01:06:25.679 --> 01:06:29.279
stuff is that you're going to make a

01:06:27.719 --> 01:06:31.279
better version.

01:06:29.280 --> 01:06:34.040
Like I don't care how good your Mercedes

01:06:31.280 --> 01:06:36.280
is. It's not a 2026 Mercedes. Right.

01:06:34.039 --> 01:06:38.719
Yeah, exactly. It has new features. It

01:06:36.280 --> 01:06:41.600
has a new thing. And so, it's like all

01:06:38.719 --> 01:06:43.399
built into the human psychology and also

01:06:41.599 --> 01:06:45.880
to this thing that I said like I said,

01:06:43.400 --> 01:06:47.840
if you were somewhere from somewhere

01:06:45.880 --> 01:06:50.559
else and studying this species, what

01:06:47.840 --> 01:06:52.358
does it do? It it makes better things.

01:06:50.559 --> 01:06:53.840
What do sharks do? They eat things. They

01:06:52.358 --> 01:06:55.079
just swim around. They can't even stop

01:06:53.840 --> 01:06:57.320
swimming. They eat things. What do

01:06:55.079 --> 01:06:59.559
people do? They they really just make

01:06:57.320 --> 01:07:01.640
better things. They go to war. Why do

01:06:59.559 --> 01:07:03.599
they go to war really? They go to war so

01:07:01.639 --> 01:07:05.480
they can control resources so they have

01:07:03.599 --> 01:07:07.519
more money so they can make more things

01:07:05.480 --> 01:07:10.760
and better things. And also the amount

01:07:07.519 --> 01:07:12.960
of innovation that is in warfare, in war

01:07:10.760 --> 01:07:15.160
weapons, in war fighting. Yeah, that

01:07:12.960 --> 01:07:17.440
yeah, that's actually critical to keep

01:07:15.159 --> 01:07:20.480
the system going. Yeah. Well, ultimately

01:07:17.440 --> 01:07:23.358
all that does it all of it releases more

01:07:20.480 --> 01:07:24.559
endocrine disruptors, more contact with

01:07:23.358 --> 01:07:28.159
all these different chemicals and

01:07:24.559 --> 01:07:29.920
toxins, feminizes men, ruins women's

01:07:28.159 --> 01:07:32.358
reproductive systems to the point where

01:07:29.920 --> 01:07:33.320
ultimately we say, oh, for the survival

01:07:32.358 --> 01:07:35.039
of the race, we're going to have to

01:07:33.320 --> 01:07:36.559
figure out how to reproduce

01:07:35.039 --> 01:07:38.559
non-biologically.

01:07:36.559 --> 01:07:40.960
>> Hm.

01:07:38.559 --> 01:07:42.119
When I first got involved in

01:07:40.960 --> 01:07:44.000
yeah, it's

01:07:42.119 --> 01:07:45.279
It's something to ponder, right? It's

01:07:44.000 --> 01:07:47.199
something to ponder because we're so

01:07:45.280 --> 01:07:48.640
wrapped up in who we are. We're so

01:07:47.199 --> 01:07:51.319
wrapped up and look, I love being a

01:07:48.639 --> 01:07:53.119
person. I love living in Texas. I love

01:07:51.320 --> 01:07:55.200
driving an American car. I love all

01:07:53.119 --> 01:07:57.079
those things. But, what does that mean?

01:07:55.199 --> 01:07:59.039
Like what is that what is that? You

01:07:57.079 --> 01:08:00.960
know, these are just weird identity

01:07:59.039 --> 01:08:03.920
points that you connect with whatever

01:08:00.960 --> 01:08:05.400
this species is. Well, but if you just

01:08:03.920 --> 01:08:07.639
could just have a

01:08:05.400 --> 01:08:08.960
above view,

01:08:07.639 --> 01:08:11.440
and you look down and go, what are we

01:08:08.960 --> 01:08:11.440
doing?

01:08:11.519 --> 01:08:15.840
Yeah, that's a that's a good question.

01:08:13.760 --> 01:08:17.560
That's a good question.

01:08:15.840 --> 01:08:19.600
Yeah, like how far are we going and how

01:08:17.560 --> 01:08:22.920
fast are we going there? We're going

01:08:19.600 --> 01:08:24.520
pretty fast. And now with AI, I

01:08:22.920 --> 01:08:26.159
think we're going way faster than we

01:08:24.520 --> 01:08:28.799
even understand.

01:08:26.159 --> 01:08:30.399
Because with Claude, I mean, they they

01:08:28.798 --> 01:08:32.319
think that the Claude AI the the

01:08:30.399 --> 01:08:34.119
engineers, they we think it's sentient

01:08:32.319 --> 01:08:35.240
already. It just doesn't have a physical

01:08:34.119 --> 01:08:37.119
body to move around.

01:08:35.239 --> 01:08:38.358
>> is going to kill us. Everybody agrees

01:08:37.119 --> 01:08:39.279
with that. [laughter]

01:08:38.359 --> 01:08:40.480
There's no question.

01:08:39.279 --> 01:08:41.679
>> think it's going to kill us. You know

01:08:40.479 --> 01:08:43.559
what I think it's going to do? I think

01:08:41.680 --> 01:08:45.759
it's going to prevent us from breeding.

01:08:43.560 --> 01:08:47.798
I think it's going to let us die off.

01:08:45.759 --> 01:08:49.319
No, it's not going to kill us, Joe.

01:08:47.798 --> 01:08:50.960
>> we're going to willingly go with it

01:08:49.319 --> 01:08:53.319
because we're going to get like mates

01:08:50.960 --> 01:08:54.680
like Ex Machina. We're going to just

01:08:53.319 --> 01:08:56.400
something to take care of us.

01:08:54.680 --> 01:08:58.159
>> they come out

01:08:56.399 --> 01:09:00.838
with a female robot

01:08:58.159 --> 01:09:03.000
>> Uh-huh. Yeah. That's sexually attractive

01:09:00.838 --> 01:09:05.960
or whatever. Yeah, game over.

01:09:03.000 --> 01:09:07.880
>> over. There's there's just going to be

01:09:05.960 --> 01:09:08.640
no more babies and we're just going to

01:09:07.880 --> 01:09:09.640
die out.

01:09:08.640 --> 01:09:11.838
>> Yeah. So,

01:09:09.640 --> 01:09:13.520
>> Or integrate. And I think it's much more

01:09:11.838 --> 01:09:14.960
likely that we integrate. And that's

01:09:13.520 --> 01:09:16.839
where you get the Grays. I think that

01:09:14.960 --> 01:09:19.600
what the Grays are is a combination of

01:09:16.838 --> 01:09:21.399
technology and biology. And if you just

01:09:19.600 --> 01:09:22.920
if you just go from

01:09:21.399 --> 01:09:24.439
>> chimp

01:09:22.920 --> 01:09:27.319
to caveman

01:09:24.439 --> 01:09:31.000
to gray, you go, oh, I see where going.

01:09:27.319 --> 01:09:32.080
Chimp, chimp, caveman, human. Modern

01:09:31.000 --> 01:09:35.838
human,

01:09:32.079 --> 01:09:39.119
gelatinous, soft, slow-moving,

01:09:35.838 --> 01:09:40.838
weak modern human, grays. Like I have I

01:09:39.119 --> 01:09:43.199
have always

01:09:40.838 --> 01:09:46.600
leaned into what Barry told me cuz it's

01:09:43.199 --> 01:09:48.759
the only information I had that

01:09:46.600 --> 01:09:50.880
the craft came from Zeta Reticuli, which

01:09:48.759 --> 01:09:54.319
is a star system I

01:09:50.880 --> 01:09:56.279
30 some odd light-years away. And um,

01:09:54.319 --> 01:09:59.159
you know, again, it was just like a Star

01:09:56.279 --> 01:10:01.199
Trek thing. They came over here

01:09:59.159 --> 01:10:04.079
for whatever reason.

01:10:01.199 --> 01:10:05.279
But that information may not be true.

01:10:04.079 --> 01:10:06.920
Right, that might information

01:10:05.279 --> 01:10:09.079
information might be one of those things

01:10:06.920 --> 01:10:11.159
they put out that's nonsense.

01:10:09.079 --> 01:10:13.000
>> if it's if it has to do with time, I

01:10:11.159 --> 01:10:14.599
think uh

01:10:13.000 --> 01:10:16.720
from what George has told me, Jacques

01:10:14.600 --> 01:10:19.800
Vallée and some, you know, other really

01:10:16.720 --> 01:10:20.520
credible researchers have have said that

01:10:19.800 --> 01:10:22.119
uh

01:10:20.520 --> 01:10:24.240
these are people either from another

01:10:22.119 --> 01:10:26.760
dimension or another time or maybe

01:10:24.239 --> 01:10:29.239
they're us from the future. Right. You

01:10:26.760 --> 01:10:31.360
know, just coming back to

01:10:29.239 --> 01:10:31.960
interact with us in some way.

01:10:31.359 --> 01:10:33.159
Um

01:10:31.960 --> 01:10:35.920
>> Make sure we don't everything up

01:10:33.159 --> 01:10:38.000
irreparably. Yeah, but it it doesn't

01:10:35.920 --> 01:10:40.279
seem like they're doing a good job.

01:10:38.000 --> 01:10:42.720
Well, maybe things up somewhat

01:10:40.279 --> 01:10:44.840
is also part of the plan.

01:10:42.720 --> 01:10:46.360
Maybe that actually has to take place

01:10:44.840 --> 01:10:48.560
and disrupt.

01:10:46.359 --> 01:10:49.719
>> Look at the Look at the way things are

01:10:48.560 --> 01:10:49.880
going right now.

01:10:49.720 --> 01:10:50.680
>> Right.

01:10:49.880 --> 01:10:52.920
>> Holy cow.

01:10:50.680 --> 01:10:54.520
>> Exactly. Things are off

01:10:52.920 --> 01:10:55.440
totally off the rails.

01:10:54.520 --> 01:10:57.320
>> Mhm.

01:10:55.439 --> 01:10:59.679
But maybe that's part of the plan. Maybe

01:10:57.319 --> 01:11:01.599
part of it is like it has to get so far

01:10:59.680 --> 01:11:02.960
sideways that we realize how up

01:11:01.600 --> 01:11:06.120
everything is that we start making

01:11:02.960 --> 01:11:08.199
meaningful changes and implement AI as

01:11:06.119 --> 01:11:09.640
government.

01:11:08.199 --> 01:11:11.479
That's a dangerous thing.

01:11:09.640 --> 01:11:13.520
>> Exactly, but is it as dangerous as Iran

01:11:11.479 --> 01:11:15.159
getting nukes? I don't know. Is it as

01:11:13.520 --> 01:11:17.920
dangerous as

01:11:15.159 --> 01:11:20.920
a global Islamic caliphate? No, it's not

01:11:17.920 --> 01:11:21.319
Iran. Iran's not getting nukes. I mean

01:11:20.920 --> 01:11:23.600
>> Okay, but what if

01:11:21.319 --> 01:11:25.058
>> They have Iran they

01:11:23.600 --> 01:11:25.440
Never mind.

01:11:25.059 --> 01:11:26.840
>> [laughter]

01:11:25.439 --> 01:11:29.359
>> I don't want to get into political

01:11:26.840 --> 01:11:31.840
stuff. No, but you could. You could.

01:11:29.359 --> 01:11:33.319
Like if you gave Iran the technology to

01:11:31.840 --> 01:11:35.760
get nukes, they would take it.

01:11:33.319 --> 01:11:37.840
>> has any any physicist has the technology

01:11:35.760 --> 01:11:39.960
to get nukes. Right. I mean, the

01:11:37.840 --> 01:11:43.680
difficulty is actually making the

01:11:39.960 --> 01:11:46.680
material. So, I mean, if I was Iran, I

01:11:43.680 --> 01:11:48.640
would enrich to 80 or 90% because that's

01:11:46.680 --> 01:11:50.039
where you can make a weapon

01:11:48.640 --> 01:11:51.480
and and stop there.

01:11:50.039 --> 01:11:53.359
>> Right, it's not like they would be the

01:11:51.479 --> 01:11:54.879
only people with the weapon. Pakistan,

01:11:53.359 --> 01:11:57.839
India, North Korea.

01:11:54.880 --> 01:12:00.440
>> doesn't make you have a weapon. It just

01:11:57.840 --> 01:12:03.440
gives you a shortcut to it.

01:12:00.439 --> 01:12:06.159
And making a weapon from there and being

01:12:03.439 --> 01:12:10.479
able to deliver a weapon,

01:12:06.159 --> 01:12:12.239
you know, to 4,000 mi away, good luck

01:12:10.479 --> 01:12:15.199
with that. That's a

01:12:12.239 --> 01:12:17.039
big deal. So, um Right, but they're in

01:12:15.199 --> 01:12:18.639
communication with China who has that.

01:12:17.039 --> 01:12:20.399
They're in communication with China.

01:12:18.640 --> 01:12:21.960
>> to they don't need to enrich uranium or

01:12:20.399 --> 01:12:24.439
do anything. They just get Can you give

01:12:21.960 --> 01:12:26.319
me a a missile? Um Right, but wouldn't

01:12:24.439 --> 01:12:27.479
they rather make their own? No. But

01:12:26.319 --> 01:12:29.519
that's but it's not even the point.

01:12:27.479 --> 01:12:31.399
>> Rather make their own. Why Why would you

01:12:29.520 --> 01:12:34.880
do that? Would you rather make your own

01:12:31.399 --> 01:12:37.079
car or just somebody give it to you?

01:12:34.880 --> 01:12:38.800
No, you Why Why would Why would you do

01:12:37.079 --> 01:12:39.960
that? You got a buddy that'll just give

01:12:38.800 --> 01:12:41.680
you one. Cuz you'd want to be

01:12:39.960 --> 01:12:43.000
self-sufficient. You'd want to have your

01:12:41.680 --> 01:12:45.159
own production where you don't have to

01:12:43.000 --> 01:12:47.720
rely on someone. No, you can always do

01:12:45.159 --> 01:12:49.880
that. You can always do that. I don't I

01:12:47.720 --> 01:12:51.600
don't think they're ever they were ever

01:12:49.880 --> 01:12:53.520
going They're going to absolutely make a

01:12:51.600 --> 01:12:55.800
weapon now

01:12:53.520 --> 01:12:57.200
Right. because we're, you know, kicking

01:12:55.800 --> 01:12:59.279
their ass. I

01:12:57.199 --> 01:13:02.000
As everyone has learned, I guess you

01:12:59.279 --> 01:13:04.679
have to have nuclear weapons now to, you

01:13:02.000 --> 01:13:07.319
know, but

01:13:04.680 --> 01:13:09.240
the it this is a really bad situation.

01:13:07.319 --> 01:13:10.799
Oh, it's a horrible situation. But my

01:13:09.239 --> 01:13:13.439
point is

01:13:10.800 --> 01:13:15.600
why is this situation taking place? The

01:13:13.439 --> 01:13:17.639
situation taking place is because human

01:13:15.600 --> 01:13:19.840
beings suck.

01:13:17.640 --> 01:13:22.920
Right? We suck in how we interact with

01:13:19.840 --> 01:13:26.520
each other. It's we suck we suck because

01:13:22.920 --> 01:13:27.640
we're territorial primates with weapons

01:13:26.520 --> 01:13:30.560
of mass destruction.

01:13:27.640 --> 01:13:33.240
>> just all get along? Well, what is the

01:13:30.560 --> 01:13:35.560
way to stop that from ever happening?

01:13:33.239 --> 01:13:37.639
Well, one, you will let a catastrophe

01:13:35.560 --> 01:13:39.039
unfold and then you offer a solution to

01:13:37.640 --> 01:13:40.360
make sure these catastrophes never

01:13:39.039 --> 01:13:41.880
unfold again.

01:13:40.359 --> 01:13:43.920
Well, what's the best solution? Well, we

01:13:41.880 --> 01:13:45.800
have something far smarter than people

01:13:43.920 --> 01:13:47.199
that will take over control of resources

01:13:45.800 --> 01:13:50.640
and government.

01:13:47.199 --> 01:13:53.840
AI. AI. Yeah. This is This is Colossus.

01:13:50.640 --> 01:13:54.640
You ever seen the movie Colossus?

01:13:53.840 --> 01:13:58.331
>> I got to watch it.

01:13:54.640 --> 01:13:59.760
>> Well that That's a merit against you.

01:13:58.331 --> 01:14:03.640
>> [laughter]

01:13:59.760 --> 01:14:05.360
>> The movie Colossus was a 1960s or 70s

01:14:03.640 --> 01:14:08.960
movie and

01:14:05.359 --> 01:14:11.319
it it's about um

01:14:08.960 --> 01:14:14.399
you know, the scientist makes

01:14:11.319 --> 01:14:16.079
deep inside this mountain a computer to

01:14:14.399 --> 01:14:17.359
take over the defense of the United

01:14:16.079 --> 01:14:18.920
States.

01:14:17.359 --> 01:14:20.399
And

01:14:18.920 --> 01:14:22.920
you know, they

01:14:20.399 --> 01:14:25.399
build this gigantic computer inside

01:14:22.920 --> 01:14:28.399
Cheyenne Mountain or something similar

01:14:25.399 --> 01:14:29.799
to it and you know, they flip the switch

01:14:28.399 --> 01:14:32.639
and they went, "Okay, we're we're

01:14:29.800 --> 01:14:34.840
protected. We're we're in good shape."

01:14:32.640 --> 01:14:37.320
And um

01:14:34.840 --> 01:14:39.239
shortly after time goes on, you know,

01:14:37.319 --> 01:14:41.199
they realize, "Wow, the computer is

01:14:39.239 --> 01:14:45.800
really performing better than we

01:14:41.199 --> 01:14:48.159
expected." And as it turns out,

01:14:45.800 --> 01:14:49.680
Russia had done the same thing.

01:14:48.159 --> 01:14:51.319
And the computers want to communicate

01:14:49.680 --> 01:14:53.440
together.

01:14:51.319 --> 01:14:55.119
And um

01:14:53.439 --> 01:14:57.119
you know, they start communicating and

01:14:55.119 --> 01:14:59.439
the United States goes, "Well, they

01:14:57.119 --> 01:15:00.800
might be giving our our secrets away, so

01:14:59.439 --> 01:15:03.159
we better

01:15:00.800 --> 01:15:05.119
you know, cut the communication line."

01:15:03.159 --> 01:15:07.199
And the computers freak out and they go,

01:15:05.119 --> 01:15:10.399
"Well, I guess we'll just launch nuclear

01:15:07.199 --> 01:15:12.679
bombs, you know, at everybody." And they

01:15:10.399 --> 01:15:15.639
launches weapons and, you know,

01:15:12.680 --> 01:15:18.159
essentially holds everybody hostage, but

01:15:15.640 --> 01:15:18.160
um

01:15:18.439 --> 01:15:21.960
it's kind of like a trap. It's kind of

01:15:20.039 --> 01:15:23.399
like a trap. If we go that way, it it

01:15:21.960 --> 01:15:24.039
could trap us.

01:15:23.399 --> 01:15:25.799
>> a trap.

01:15:24.039 --> 01:15:27.920
>> Well, you know, in simulated war games,

01:15:25.800 --> 01:15:30.039
AIs use nuclear weapons

01:15:27.920 --> 01:15:31.880
>> 98% of the time. Yeah. I [laughter]

01:15:30.039 --> 01:15:33.960
mean, yeah, because

01:15:31.880 --> 01:15:37.000
why wouldn't they? Because I mean, look,

01:15:33.960 --> 01:15:39.920
the goal is to win. Right. And we're

01:15:37.000 --> 01:15:42.159
going to present you with the scenario

01:15:39.920 --> 01:15:44.199
and they go, "Okay, nuke 'em."

01:15:42.159 --> 01:15:45.639
And you know, and why wouldn't you pick

01:15:44.199 --> 01:15:46.880
that? We You going to start with

01:15:45.640 --> 01:15:49.360
slapping them in the face?

01:15:46.880 --> 01:15:51.480
>> Well, why is it better to just bomb them

01:15:49.359 --> 01:15:52.679
over and over and over again until you

01:15:51.479 --> 01:15:55.359
achieve the same amount of damage?

01:15:52.680 --> 01:15:56.600
>> in the face. Nuke 'em, it's over with.

01:15:55.359 --> 01:15:58.319
We can move on from there.

01:15:56.600 --> 01:15:59.320
>> Right. So Yeah, that's

01:15:58.319 --> 01:16:01.519
>> Well, you think about what happened in

01:15:59.319 --> 01:16:03.239
Gaza. Like you look at the leveling of

01:16:01.520 --> 01:16:05.160
all those buildings, the mass

01:16:03.239 --> 01:16:07.479
destruction. It's terrible. It looks

01:16:05.159 --> 01:16:10.000
like a nuke. Yeah. It looks like one

01:16:07.479 --> 01:16:12.199
nuke instead of thousands of missiles

01:16:10.000 --> 01:16:13.319
and bombs. It's one nuke.

01:16:12.199 --> 01:16:14.920
>> but it's not.

01:16:13.319 --> 01:16:16.359
>> Right. In terms of the amount of damage

01:16:14.920 --> 01:16:18.319
it could do instantaneously.

01:16:16.359 --> 01:16:20.479
>> Because I mean, because we can detect a

01:16:18.319 --> 01:16:21.960
nuke. Was there ever any conversation

01:16:20.479 --> 01:16:23.759
that you were privy to where they

01:16:21.960 --> 01:16:26.039
discussed, because one of the things

01:16:23.760 --> 01:16:29.280
that does come up over and over again in

01:16:26.039 --> 01:16:31.920
UFO discussions is these crafts that

01:16:29.279 --> 01:16:33.519
show up at these military bases and shut

01:16:31.920 --> 01:16:35.720
down all the weapon systems?

01:16:33.520 --> 01:16:37.920
>> No, I I actually know nothing about

01:16:35.720 --> 01:16:40.520
that. Um

01:16:37.920 --> 01:16:42.239
Most of the UFO stuff or UFO lore that

01:16:40.520 --> 01:16:44.360
I've heard, I I don't know anything

01:16:42.239 --> 01:16:46.119
about. I I've just looked at it That's

01:16:44.359 --> 01:16:48.239
so fascinating cuz you're the most

01:16:46.119 --> 01:16:49.943
prominent figure in all of UFO lore.

01:16:48.239 --> 01:16:50.880
>> telling him yesterday. Yeah, but

01:16:49.943 --> 01:16:53.760
[laughter] I I

01:16:50.880 --> 01:16:55.400
I I really I really only like like to

01:16:53.760 --> 01:16:57.480
talk about what I know about.

01:16:55.399 --> 01:16:59.759
>> Right, And I've heard I mean, I've heard

01:16:57.479 --> 01:17:01.319
other stories, but I've never heard them

01:16:59.760 --> 01:17:02.560
officially. I don't know if they're

01:17:01.319 --> 01:17:04.840
really

01:17:02.560 --> 01:17:06.680
real. Um Well, it's one of the things

01:17:04.840 --> 01:17:08.279
that makes you most credible.

01:17:06.680 --> 01:17:11.200
Cuz you're not a UFO guy.

01:17:08.279 --> 01:17:12.800
>> but I mean No, yes, it does with me.

01:17:11.199 --> 01:17:15.359
Because when people are like way too

01:17:12.800 --> 01:17:18.079
into it, they want to believe too much.

01:17:15.359 --> 01:17:18.319
Yeah, yeah, yeah. But no, I I I don't

01:17:18.079 --> 01:17:20.319
know anything.

01:17:18.319 --> 01:17:21.679
>> you know who these people are?

01:17:20.319 --> 01:17:22.840
Yeah, yeah, Betty and Barney Hill.

01:17:21.680 --> 01:17:25.200
>> Okay. Well, so you know a little Yeah,

01:17:22.840 --> 01:17:27.600
they they were the first abductees. I

01:17:25.199 --> 01:17:28.800
mean, to me, they're

01:17:27.600 --> 01:17:30.800
I don't I don't know who first

01:17:28.800 --> 01:17:31.760
introduced those to me and I looked them

01:17:30.800 --> 01:17:34.320
up.

01:17:31.760 --> 01:17:34.320
And

01:17:34.800 --> 01:17:39.159
you know, I people say, "Do you believe

01:17:36.319 --> 01:17:43.759
them?" And I'm kind of inclined to

01:17:39.159 --> 01:17:46.119
believe them because look, in the 1960s,

01:17:43.760 --> 01:17:50.000
right, where they're from, the last

01:17:46.119 --> 01:17:52.439
thing you want to do is be recognized

01:17:50.000 --> 01:17:54.760
as a mixed-race couple.

01:17:52.439 --> 01:17:57.519
Right? I mean Right, and go public with

01:17:54.760 --> 01:18:00.400
your Yeah, I mean, holy cow. They would

01:17:57.520 --> 01:18:03.640
hate you. Yeah. A black person and a

01:18:00.399 --> 01:18:06.559
white person that were, you know, in any

01:18:03.640 --> 01:18:09.280
kind of relationship, but um

01:18:06.560 --> 01:18:10.920
And they have this crazy story. Yeah.

01:18:09.279 --> 01:18:14.119
And you hear their abduction story.

01:18:10.920 --> 01:18:16.960
>> on top of that, I have a connection to

01:18:14.119 --> 01:18:20.599
that because Barry said they're from the

01:18:16.960 --> 01:18:24.719
Zeta Reticuli star system and I believe

01:18:20.600 --> 01:18:26.760
it's Betty Betty Hill drew a map of the

01:18:24.719 --> 01:18:29.640
Zeta Reticuli star system and said this

01:18:26.760 --> 01:18:30.719
is part of their roots.

01:18:29.640 --> 01:18:32.160
Whoa.

01:18:30.719 --> 01:18:33.239
Did you know that? You didn't know that?

01:18:32.159 --> 01:18:35.319
No, I don't remember that. I don't

01:18:33.239 --> 01:18:36.800
remember I mean, I remember it from what

01:18:35.319 --> 01:18:40.119
you said from your story.

01:18:36.800 --> 01:18:41.880
>> you look up in Betty and Barney Hill,

01:18:40.119 --> 01:18:44.119
she said

01:18:41.880 --> 01:18:45.359
um I think

01:18:44.119 --> 01:18:47.680
I don't know. I mean, I can never get

01:18:45.359 --> 01:18:49.920
this stuff right. They show her a map

01:18:47.680 --> 01:18:51.600
and they say, "Well, this is a map." She

01:18:49.920 --> 01:18:53.520
wanted to know why they were here,

01:18:51.600 --> 01:18:54.400
what's going on. They showed her a map,

01:18:53.520 --> 01:18:56.320
am I right?

01:18:54.399 --> 01:18:58.039
>> her a map. And

01:18:56.319 --> 01:19:00.119
they said, "Do you Do you understand

01:18:58.039 --> 01:19:01.680
this?" And she said, "No." And they

01:19:00.119 --> 01:19:03.199
said, "Well, why should we tell you any

01:19:01.680 --> 01:19:04.280
more?" And

01:19:03.199 --> 01:19:05.639
well, I don't know. Maybe you could fill

01:19:04.279 --> 01:19:08.719
in the blank. It's something like they

01:19:05.640 --> 01:19:11.440
they showed her this star map, you know,

01:19:08.719 --> 01:19:13.760
and she obviously

01:19:11.439 --> 01:19:15.279
Look at that. Under hypnosis, Betty Hill

01:19:13.760 --> 01:19:16.800
describes a map she was shown by the

01:19:15.279 --> 01:19:18.479
leader aboard the ship. Later, she

01:19:16.800 --> 01:19:20.640
sketched it. She said she was told that

01:19:18.479 --> 01:19:21.559
the heavy lines marked regular trade

01:19:20.640 --> 01:19:23.200
routes

01:19:21.560 --> 01:19:25.640
and And the broken lines recorded

01:19:23.199 --> 01:19:28.439
various space expeditions. The following

01:19:25.640 --> 01:19:30.600
year, the map seen at right was

01:19:28.439 --> 01:19:32.399
published in the New York Times. Mrs.

01:19:30.600 --> 01:19:34.720
Hill, struck by the similarity between

01:19:32.399 --> 01:19:36.759
the Times map and her sketch, then added

01:19:34.720 --> 01:19:39.640
the corresponding names.

01:19:36.760 --> 01:19:43.079
Yeah. And it ended up being the Zeta

01:19:39.640 --> 01:19:44.840
Reticuli binary star system, which was

01:19:43.079 --> 01:19:46.920
really interesting. And I remember when

01:19:44.840 --> 01:19:50.760
I first heard about Bob's story back in

01:19:46.920 --> 01:19:53.359
1989, and he said Zeta Reticuli.

01:19:50.760 --> 01:19:55.640
I remember thinking, "Wow, that's what

01:19:53.359 --> 01:19:57.599
Betty Hill saw." So, that made me also

01:19:55.640 --> 01:20:00.360
question, "Is that real in that

01:19:57.600 --> 01:20:01.480
document? Did Did these guys really come

01:20:00.359 --> 01:20:03.439
from there?"

01:20:01.479 --> 01:20:05.039
You know, because it was mentioned in

01:20:03.439 --> 01:20:07.359
1968.

01:20:05.039 --> 01:20:09.199
Right. So, why would the government, the

01:20:07.359 --> 01:20:11.799
US Navy,

01:20:09.199 --> 01:20:13.479
write that in there that would correlate

01:20:11.800 --> 01:20:17.480
to something that we already kind of

01:20:13.479 --> 01:20:18.889
knew? I think that was a a purposeful

01:20:17.479 --> 01:20:18.959
disinformation

01:20:18.890 --> 01:20:21.400
>> [snorts]

01:20:18.960 --> 01:20:23.880
>> to disinform someone. I think so. But,

01:20:21.399 --> 01:20:25.479
why? If maybe it's true.

01:20:23.880 --> 01:20:26.720
Yeah, go ahead. We'll we'll we'll pause

01:20:25.479 --> 01:20:28.399
right here and use the restroom. We'll

01:20:26.720 --> 01:20:29.720
be right back, folks. I really got to I

01:20:28.399 --> 01:20:31.239
got it. No worries. No worries. We'll be

01:20:29.720 --> 01:20:33.039
right back.

01:20:31.239 --> 01:20:36.319
Um we were talking about this whole Zeta

01:20:33.039 --> 01:20:36.319
Reticuli thing. So,

01:20:37.640 --> 01:20:41.680
when you're dealing with so many

01:20:39.199 --> 01:20:44.439
different crafts and so many different

01:20:41.680 --> 01:20:47.159
things, the idea that only one

01:20:44.439 --> 01:20:50.239
species or one thing more advanced than

01:20:47.159 --> 01:20:52.720
us is visiting us seems kind of silly.

01:20:50.239 --> 01:20:54.159
If the universe is populated by all

01:20:52.720 --> 01:20:57.199
these things.

01:20:54.159 --> 01:20:57.199
I don't know. Does it?

01:20:57.439 --> 01:20:58.919
That's it.

01:20:57.920 --> 01:20:59.399
>> Kind of.

01:20:58.920 --> 01:21:01.800
Kind of.

01:20:59.399 --> 01:21:04.159
>> the universe is really big. I do Do you

01:21:01.800 --> 01:21:04.400
think everybody can find this place? I

01:21:04.159 --> 01:21:05.439
mean,

01:21:04.399 --> 01:21:08.239
>> Yeah.

01:21:05.439 --> 01:21:10.639
I would imagine um it's like spots that

01:21:08.239 --> 01:21:13.279
you visit. Like uh you know, there's

01:21:10.640 --> 01:21:16.320
Machu Picchu, there's ancient Egypt,

01:21:13.279 --> 01:21:17.239
there's you know, sub-Saharan Africa.

01:21:16.319 --> 01:21:18.599
There's a bunch of different places

01:21:17.239 --> 01:21:20.760
where people go.

01:21:18.600 --> 01:21:22.039
You know, just humans on Earth. And I

01:21:20.760 --> 01:21:24.840
would imagine if you have an

01:21:22.039 --> 01:21:26.239
understanding of how life is evolving in

01:21:24.840 --> 01:21:28.840
the cosmos,

01:21:26.239 --> 01:21:32.119
you there's probably stages where things

01:21:28.840 --> 01:21:33.319
reach certain levels. And if you are a

01:21:32.119 --> 01:21:33.800
>> far apart.

01:21:33.319 --> 01:21:35.840
>> Right?

01:21:33.800 --> 01:21:37.600
>> They're far apart. I mean, one could be

01:21:35.840 --> 01:21:40.400
in this quadrant of the

01:21:37.600 --> 01:21:43.039
Milky Way galaxy, and they reach that

01:21:40.399 --> 01:21:45.359
point where they can travel and explore.

01:21:43.039 --> 01:21:48.319
Mhm. And there's

01:21:45.359 --> 01:21:50.839
a far distant point where another

01:21:48.319 --> 01:21:53.159
civilization civilization can do that.

01:21:50.840 --> 01:21:54.760
And I mean, really, do you think there

01:21:53.159 --> 01:21:57.000
are that many? I don't think there are

01:21:54.760 --> 01:21:59.520
that many civilizations visiting us.

01:21:57.000 --> 01:22:02.359
There's certainly There's no doubt that

01:21:59.520 --> 01:22:04.600
there's one from somewhere on another

01:22:02.359 --> 01:22:06.319
planet, another time, another dimension,

01:22:04.600 --> 01:22:11.600
whatever it may be.

01:22:06.319 --> 01:22:13.719
Someone else is here. We're not the top,

01:22:11.600 --> 01:22:15.480
you know, of the pyramid. No.

01:22:13.720 --> 01:22:17.199
>> We're absolutely not there. There's no

01:22:15.479 --> 01:22:21.479
question.

01:22:17.199 --> 01:22:23.439
Well, I think if you got technology that

01:22:21.479 --> 01:22:24.719
say, let's let's just say the Grays.

01:22:23.439 --> 01:22:26.639
Let's say the Grays are real. Let's say

01:22:24.720 --> 01:22:28.440
they fly around these little crafts.

01:22:26.640 --> 01:22:29.960
Why would we assume that it stops there?

01:22:28.439 --> 01:22:31.799
Why wouldn't we assume the technology

01:22:29.960 --> 01:22:34.000
gets to the point where not only are

01:22:31.800 --> 01:22:36.079
they far more advanced than them, but

01:22:34.000 --> 01:22:37.960
they also are completely undetectable?

01:22:36.079 --> 01:22:40.359
Well, if you want to view the universe

01:22:37.960 --> 01:22:40.880
as infinite, Yeah. then it then it never

01:22:40.359 --> 01:22:42.039
stops.

01:22:40.880 --> 01:22:44.000
>> It scales out. There's somebody above

01:22:42.039 --> 01:22:45.519
them, and there's somebody above them,

01:22:44.000 --> 01:22:46.640
and there's somebody above them, and it

01:22:45.520 --> 01:22:48.240
never stops.

01:22:46.640 --> 01:22:50.240
>> watching this lecture where this woman

01:22:48.239 --> 01:22:53.279
was talking about quantum entanglement,

01:22:50.239 --> 01:22:55.920
and she was talking about how maybe our

01:22:53.279 --> 01:23:00.079
understanding of space and the distance

01:22:55.920 --> 01:23:01.640
between things is limited by what our

01:23:00.079 --> 01:23:03.519
our current

01:23:01.640 --> 01:23:06.720
technology is and our current

01:23:03.520 --> 01:23:09.000
understanding of what what space and

01:23:06.720 --> 01:23:10.880
time actually are. And she What she was

01:23:09.000 --> 01:23:14.359
saying yeah. What she was saying is

01:23:10.880 --> 01:23:16.119
there might not be we might at one point

01:23:14.359 --> 01:23:18.159
in time, given enough time, thousands of

01:23:16.119 --> 01:23:20.319
years, whatever, be able to

01:23:18.159 --> 01:23:23.079
instantaneously travel anywhere.

01:23:20.319 --> 01:23:25.079
And that just how like

01:23:23.079 --> 01:23:26.920
quantum like like like subatomic

01:23:25.079 --> 01:23:28.079
particles are connected in some sort of

01:23:26.920 --> 01:23:29.960
a strange way that we don't totally

01:23:28.079 --> 01:23:31.439
understand even at far distance spooky

01:23:29.960 --> 01:23:32.600
action at a distance, right?

01:23:31.439 --> 01:23:34.199
>> As Einstein said, yeah.

01:23:32.600 --> 01:23:35.920
>> Right. That we might eventually get to a

01:23:34.199 --> 01:23:38.840
point where that's how travel works.

01:23:35.920 --> 01:23:40.640
That's instantaneous travel everywhere.

01:23:38.840 --> 01:23:43.319
I think we just have hints of these

01:23:40.640 --> 01:23:45.400
technologies. Look, everything

01:23:43.319 --> 01:23:48.079
you know, we look at Maxwell's equations

01:23:45.399 --> 01:23:50.920
and things like that that we base all

01:23:48.079 --> 01:23:52.960
electromagnetic, electrostatic,

01:23:50.920 --> 01:23:57.000
you know, um

01:23:52.960 --> 01:23:59.279
actions on and how they relate to time

01:23:57.000 --> 01:24:01.039
and how they relate to things in our

01:23:59.279 --> 01:24:02.479
universe, but

01:24:01.039 --> 01:24:05.000
uh

01:24:02.479 --> 01:24:07.359
that may be nothing. There There may be

01:24:05.000 --> 01:24:10.840
an entire level of physics that we're

01:24:07.359 --> 01:24:12.399
unfamiliar with that you know, these

01:24:10.840 --> 01:24:13.920
crafts, these people, or these

01:24:12.399 --> 01:24:17.359
civilizations

01:24:13.920 --> 01:24:17.359
just utilize.

01:24:18.680 --> 01:24:22.520
Um

01:24:20.560 --> 01:24:26.440
Of course. I mean, if you just stop and

01:24:22.520 --> 01:24:27.800
think about going from Morse code to a

01:24:26.439 --> 01:24:29.919
cell phone

01:24:27.800 --> 01:24:31.720
in a relatively short period of time

01:24:29.920 --> 01:24:34.520
historically. You go to the the

01:24:31.720 --> 01:24:36.400
difference between 1200 and 1400 is not

01:24:34.520 --> 01:24:38.360
that big of a deal in terms of

01:24:36.399 --> 01:24:42.519
technology, what's available. The

01:24:38.359 --> 01:24:43.839
difference between 1800 and 2026 is

01:24:42.520 --> 01:24:46.080
massive.

01:24:43.840 --> 01:24:50.640
>> Yeah, right. Yeah. It is a massive crazy

01:24:46.079 --> 01:24:52.760
change, right? So, 2026 to

01:24:50.640 --> 01:24:54.680
2226,

01:24:52.760 --> 01:24:55.159
who knows what we're talking

01:24:54.680 --> 01:24:57.520
about.

01:24:55.159 --> 01:25:00.279
>> Right. Especially when you have sentient

01:24:57.520 --> 01:25:02.200
AI, you have nuclear power plants that

01:25:00.279 --> 01:25:05.639
are controlling sentient AI that are

01:25:02.199 --> 01:25:07.479
fueling them and giving them resources.

01:25:05.640 --> 01:25:09.840
I mean,

01:25:07.479 --> 01:25:12.479
you really have no limit to where this

01:25:09.840 --> 01:25:13.880
goes. You scale out a thousand years.

01:25:12.479 --> 01:25:15.719
You scale out two thousand years.

01:25:13.880 --> 01:25:17.760
>> You really can't scale out a thousand

01:25:15.720 --> 01:25:21.920
years. Right. It's not possible.

01:25:17.760 --> 01:25:22.360
>> even at a hundred years, it's way Yeah.

01:25:21.920 --> 01:25:23.880
Too much.

01:25:22.359 --> 01:25:25.799
>> way more than we would would have ever

01:25:23.880 --> 01:25:27.880
considered. Also, it's exponential,

01:25:25.800 --> 01:25:29.640
right? Right. That's That's why you

01:25:27.880 --> 01:25:31.560
can't scale out to a thousand years.

01:25:29.640 --> 01:25:33.920
>> you think it's exponential now, imagine

01:25:31.560 --> 01:25:35.760
when you have AI able to generate better

01:25:33.920 --> 01:25:37.960
versions of itself, which is what's

01:25:35.760 --> 01:25:41.840
happening with ChatGPT 5. It's

01:25:37.960 --> 01:25:43.600
essentially made by ChatGPT 4. Now, I AI

01:25:41.840 --> 01:25:44.429
is that absolutely the death of us.

01:25:43.600 --> 01:25:44.880
There's

01:25:44.429 --> 01:25:47.720
>> [laughter]

01:25:44.880 --> 01:25:49.319
>> There's no There's no question. Well,

01:25:47.720 --> 01:25:51.199
we're certainly going to become obsolete

01:25:49.319 --> 01:25:51.639
in terms of our thinking.

01:25:51.199 --> 01:25:53.000
But,

01:25:51.640 --> 01:25:55.000
>> If we're obsolete in terms of our

01:25:53.000 --> 01:25:58.600
thinking, we're obsolete.

01:25:55.000 --> 01:26:01.520
I mean, all all AI needs is hands,

01:25:58.600 --> 01:26:03.120
right? I think we integrate.

01:26:01.520 --> 01:26:04.120
That's what I think happens.

01:26:03.119 --> 01:26:04.880
Yeah.

01:26:04.119 --> 01:26:06.399
That's a scary

01:26:04.880 --> 01:26:08.119
>> And And And that's a Yeah, I was going

01:26:06.399 --> 01:26:09.799
to say, and that's a scary thought.

01:26:08.119 --> 01:26:11.039
That's a scary thought because it's like

01:26:09.800 --> 01:26:12.440
we're going to integrate. I think it's

01:26:11.039 --> 01:26:14.479
inevitable. I think you're right about

01:26:12.439 --> 01:26:15.319
that. We're just going there. It's It's

01:26:14.479 --> 01:26:16.919
not like

01:26:15.319 --> 01:26:18.599
even if you and I are not going to

01:26:16.920 --> 01:26:20.199
actually do it, somebody will, and it's

01:26:18.600 --> 01:26:21.800
going to integrate because other people

01:26:20.199 --> 01:26:23.479
will, and it's going to happen. But,

01:26:21.800 --> 01:26:25.560
it's still the same primate. We're still

01:26:23.479 --> 01:26:27.479
the same human. Sort of, but we we

01:26:25.560 --> 01:26:29.680
already have problems with joints, and

01:26:27.479 --> 01:26:32.279
so we replace them with fake ones. We

01:26:29.680 --> 01:26:34.520
you know, take titanium knees and you

01:26:32.279 --> 01:26:36.759
know, Yeah, but they don't work as good.

01:26:34.520 --> 01:26:38.640
They don't for now. Yeah. But, before

01:26:36.760 --> 01:26:39.720
they used to not work at all. Like, you

01:26:38.640 --> 01:26:41.880
know,

01:26:39.720 --> 01:26:44.039
I've met people that had surgeries in

01:26:41.880 --> 01:26:45.440
the 1980s, like knee surgeries, and oh

01:26:44.039 --> 01:26:47.720
my god,

01:26:45.439 --> 01:26:49.000
they're crippled for life. Even though

01:26:47.720 --> 01:26:50.039
they put your knee back together again,

01:26:49.000 --> 01:26:51.680
it's still destroyed.

01:26:50.039 --> 01:26:52.920
>> Mhm. You know, you get a knee surgery

01:26:51.680 --> 01:26:55.039
today, six months later, you're a

01:26:52.920 --> 01:26:56.720
hundred percent. No, I'd I'd love to

01:26:55.039 --> 01:26:57.880
know the future. Yeah. Well, it's going

01:26:56.720 --> 01:26:58.800
to I'd love to know the future. Well,

01:26:57.880 --> 01:27:00.359
that is

01:26:58.800 --> 01:27:03.840
So, one of the things that I want to

01:27:00.359 --> 01:27:07.159
talk about is the the actual

01:27:03.840 --> 01:27:09.760
the generator, this thing that works on

01:27:07.159 --> 01:27:14.119
this element that bombards it with

01:27:09.760 --> 01:27:16.640
radiation. How did you guys figure out

01:27:14.119 --> 01:27:18.880
what the function of it was and what it

01:27:16.640 --> 01:27:21.840
did? So, when you're first introduced to

01:27:18.880 --> 01:27:24.119
this craft, and you see

01:27:21.840 --> 01:27:27.319
this this dome

01:27:24.119 --> 01:27:30.079
>> reactor that's covering this this thing

01:27:27.319 --> 01:27:31.039
that's generating this power. What What

01:27:30.079 --> 01:27:32.359
was

01:27:31.039 --> 01:27:33.039
What was the introduction to it? How did

01:27:32.359 --> 01:27:36.519
they explain it to you?

01:27:33.039 --> 01:27:38.000
>> The introduction was was way before me.

01:27:36.520 --> 01:27:39.280
Um

01:27:38.000 --> 01:27:41.600
and

01:27:39.279 --> 01:27:44.800
that's where the guy

01:27:41.600 --> 01:27:46.960
prior to me either got hurt or killed.

01:27:44.800 --> 01:27:48.680
So,

01:27:46.960 --> 01:27:50.199
they determined that this was the power

01:27:48.680 --> 01:27:53.119
source.

01:27:50.199 --> 01:27:55.199
And at some point

01:27:53.119 --> 01:27:57.319
they decided to take that out to the

01:27:55.199 --> 01:27:59.319
nuclear test site because they wanted to

01:27:57.319 --> 01:28:03.159
cut into it.

01:27:59.319 --> 01:28:05.799
Um they x-rayed it. They They only found

01:28:03.159 --> 01:28:07.599
a small tube that ran went around it.

01:28:05.800 --> 01:28:11.880
They really couldn't determine how it

01:28:07.600 --> 01:28:17.320
worked or what was going on. So,

01:28:11.880 --> 01:28:17.319
at some point and and Barry made this

01:28:17.439 --> 01:28:26.039
somewhat clear that they cut into the

01:28:21.800 --> 01:28:28.640
reactor while it was running

01:28:26.039 --> 01:28:29.600
or or while it was under load, I should

01:28:28.640 --> 01:28:32.920
say.

01:28:29.600 --> 01:28:35.800
And the reactor exploded.

01:28:32.920 --> 01:28:37.800
That's what killed or hurt the person

01:28:35.800 --> 01:28:39.600
that I replaced.

01:28:37.800 --> 01:28:42.760
But,

01:28:39.600 --> 01:28:44.000
um it produced

01:28:42.760 --> 01:28:46.680
the

01:28:44.000 --> 01:28:49.960
the base gravitational wave or base

01:28:46.680 --> 01:28:52.000
energy that provided that propelled the

01:28:49.960 --> 01:28:54.159
craft that provided the craft the

01:28:52.000 --> 01:28:55.840
propulsion. I mean, when they removed

01:28:54.159 --> 01:28:58.119
it, the craft didn't work. When they put

01:28:55.840 --> 01:29:00.239
it in, every single other craft they

01:28:58.119 --> 01:29:03.000
found had something either exactly like

01:29:00.239 --> 01:29:03.880
it or similar to it. So,

01:29:03.000 --> 01:29:05.439
uh

01:29:03.880 --> 01:29:07.719
they determined that was the power

01:29:05.439 --> 01:29:09.719
source. That's at the point that I was

01:29:07.719 --> 01:29:12.439
introduced into the project. So, when

01:29:09.719 --> 01:29:14.159
you say gravitational wave, is that for

01:29:12.439 --> 01:29:15.559
lack of a better term, or is it

01:29:14.159 --> 01:29:17.159
something that's measured? Is it

01:29:15.560 --> 01:29:19.840
>> No, it's a it's for lack of a better

01:29:17.159 --> 01:29:22.199
term. Like there there's nothing I mean

01:29:19.840 --> 01:29:24.279
uh as I said in Luigi's movie, you can

01:29:22.199 --> 01:29:26.439
take magnets with like poles and push

01:29:24.279 --> 01:29:29.719
them together and they repel, but you

01:29:26.439 --> 01:29:31.199
can't take your hands ever and push on

01:29:29.720 --> 01:29:32.760
something and they repel them. That's a

01:29:31.199 --> 01:29:36.359
force field, right? That's science

01:29:32.760 --> 01:29:40.560
fiction stuff. But that's what this did.

01:29:36.359 --> 01:29:42.079
And this produced a field that repelled

01:29:40.560 --> 01:29:44.200
the craft from the ground.

01:29:42.079 --> 01:29:45.600
>> Did you try to touch it? Yeah, yeah. And

01:29:44.199 --> 01:29:47.840
when you try to touch it What did you

01:29:45.600 --> 01:29:50.440
feel? I

01:29:47.840 --> 01:29:52.119
an elastic field. You can push down, but

01:29:50.439 --> 01:29:55.119
you can't get close to it. The closer

01:29:52.119 --> 01:29:56.880
you get to it, the the more it pushes

01:29:55.119 --> 01:29:58.880
back. So

01:29:56.880 --> 01:30:00.520
you can Like how much distance between

01:29:58.880 --> 01:30:01.119
you and the actual thing you were able

01:30:00.520 --> 01:30:04.640
to see it?

01:30:01.119 --> 01:30:06.079
>> would say about 6 in or so? Uh maybe

01:30:04.640 --> 01:30:08.160
about 9 in,

01:30:06.079 --> 01:30:10.000
which is about a span.

01:30:08.159 --> 01:30:11.960
And

01:30:10.000 --> 01:30:13.079
um

01:30:11.960 --> 01:30:15.439
No, it's

01:30:13.079 --> 01:30:19.880
at some point you you can't push back on

01:30:15.439 --> 01:30:21.919
it at all, but the important thing is

01:30:19.880 --> 01:30:24.239
if you have a magnet

01:30:21.920 --> 01:30:25.880
a little disc magnet sitting on the

01:30:24.239 --> 01:30:29.039
ground

01:30:25.880 --> 01:30:32.440
and you have another magnet and you push

01:30:29.039 --> 01:30:32.760
on it, that magnet moves away, right?

01:30:32.439 --> 01:30:35.359
Yeah.

01:30:32.760 --> 01:30:38.480
>> Cuz it's pushing on it.

01:30:35.359 --> 01:30:40.479
But the craft didn't. The reactor

01:30:38.479 --> 01:30:42.879
didn't. If you had the craft it the

01:30:40.479 --> 01:30:45.599
reactor there and you pushed back on it

01:30:42.880 --> 01:30:47.840
it didn't push away when you pushed on

01:30:45.600 --> 01:30:47.960
it. It just prevented you from touching

01:30:47.840 --> 01:30:50.159
it.

01:30:47.960 --> 01:30:52.840
>> Yeah, and so when Dennis said go go out

01:30:50.159 --> 01:30:56.639
there and look under the craft

01:30:52.840 --> 01:30:56.640
um here's the craft

01:30:57.000 --> 01:31:00.680
whatever it weighs

01:30:58.760 --> 01:31:03.840
suspending itself above the ground and I

01:31:00.680 --> 01:31:06.280
went underneath it, you would think it's

01:31:03.840 --> 01:31:08.319
translating its weight onto the ground

01:31:06.279 --> 01:31:08.920
and pushing and I should be

01:31:08.319 --> 01:31:12.079
squashed.

01:31:08.920 --> 01:31:15.720
>> Squashed but without any doubt, but I'm

01:31:12.079 --> 01:31:18.920
not. There's no feeling there at all. So

01:31:15.720 --> 01:31:21.360
it's not translating its weight or its

01:31:18.920 --> 01:31:24.480
push to the ground and pushing off the

01:31:21.359 --> 01:31:26.239
ground, it's just canceling out its

01:31:24.479 --> 01:31:27.479
weight, which is something completely

01:31:26.239 --> 01:31:29.279
different.

01:31:27.479 --> 01:31:30.799
Mhm.

01:31:29.279 --> 01:31:31.960
And so

01:31:30.800 --> 01:31:33.920
when

01:31:31.960 --> 01:31:36.640
so element 115

01:31:33.920 --> 01:31:40.239
um so you have it in this triangle shape

01:31:36.640 --> 01:31:43.079
form. Mhm. Did you ask how they got into

01:31:40.239 --> 01:31:44.719
a triangle shape form? Was it made like

01:31:43.079 --> 01:31:46.920
this? This is how it came in the

01:31:44.720 --> 01:31:49.000
reactor. I did, but I mean it only

01:31:46.920 --> 01:31:51.520
worked like that. It worked like a stack

01:31:49.000 --> 01:31:54.600
of this discs and had to be cut at a

01:31:51.520 --> 01:31:57.160
certain angle to work in the reactor.

01:31:54.600 --> 01:31:59.079
And And did they say they cut it or did

01:31:57.159 --> 01:32:00.800
they say it was already cut?

01:31:59.079 --> 01:32:02.680
Well, it was already cut and they were

01:32:00.800 --> 01:32:05.119
duplicating it. Pull that microphone up

01:32:02.680 --> 01:32:08.000
to you. So they they were duplicating

01:32:05.119 --> 01:32:08.559
it. Did they have more of it, this

01:32:08.000 --> 01:32:10.640
element?

01:32:08.560 --> 01:32:13.840
>> Yeah, yeah, they had quite a bit of it.

01:32:10.640 --> 01:32:16.400
So either there was a quantity in other

01:32:13.840 --> 01:32:19.039
other crafts or other reactors that they

01:32:16.399 --> 01:32:21.079
removed. Yeah.

01:32:19.039 --> 01:32:23.039
But was there any discussion that there

01:32:21.079 --> 01:32:25.319
had been some sort of an exchange where

01:32:23.039 --> 01:32:26.880
they had been giving this? No.

01:32:25.319 --> 01:32:28.799
So one of the things like do you know

01:32:26.880 --> 01:32:30.680
Diana Pasulka?

01:32:28.800 --> 01:32:33.239
She's an author that's written some

01:32:30.680 --> 01:32:36.440
interesting stuff about UFOs and she's

01:32:33.239 --> 01:32:38.639
worked with Gary Nolan and you know on

01:32:36.439 --> 01:32:40.439
material recollection from supposed

01:32:38.640 --> 01:32:41.440
crash crash sites.

01:32:40.439 --> 01:32:44.199
And

01:32:41.439 --> 01:32:47.119
she said that the way these researchers

01:32:44.199 --> 01:32:49.559
refer to these crafts they refer to them

01:32:47.119 --> 01:32:52.319
as donations.

01:32:49.560 --> 01:32:54.400
And I guess that's possible. Right.

01:32:52.319 --> 01:32:57.039
Well, doesn't it make sense if if this

01:32:54.399 --> 01:32:59.960
thing crashed, why is it perfect? Why is

01:32:57.039 --> 01:33:02.960
it not destroyed? Look, I I've heard so

01:32:59.960 --> 01:33:04.119
many I'm not into UFOs Right, which is

01:33:02.960 --> 01:33:06.199
hilarious.

01:33:04.119 --> 01:33:08.599
>> Yeah, that's that's crazy.

01:33:06.199 --> 01:33:11.800
Um I'm just interested in the technology

01:33:08.600 --> 01:33:16.280
and I feel very privileged to have been

01:33:11.800 --> 01:33:16.279
involved in the project. But um

01:33:16.640 --> 01:33:19.640
I don't know. I I I I don't I don't

01:33:18.600 --> 01:33:21.360
think

01:33:19.640 --> 01:33:23.600
I don't think there can be that many

01:33:21.359 --> 01:33:25.319
crashes, do you? No.

01:33:23.600 --> 01:33:27.600
>> technology, you think they're coming to

01:33:25.319 --> 01:33:29.159
Earth and just there's a

01:33:27.600 --> 01:33:31.400
a thunderstorm and they're crashing into

01:33:29.159 --> 01:33:34.479
the ground. I'm not I'm not buying that.

01:33:31.399 --> 01:33:36.839
>> There's one logical explanation that

01:33:34.479 --> 01:33:39.799
does actually make sense. There were

01:33:36.840 --> 01:33:40.960
some high altitude nuclear tests that

01:33:39.800 --> 01:33:41.279
they did.

01:33:40.960 --> 01:33:43.720
And

01:33:41.279 --> 01:33:44.800
>> Well, there was the Teak test, you know,

01:33:43.720 --> 01:33:46.520
back in the '60s.

01:33:44.800 --> 01:33:46.800
>> Starfish Prime. And Starfish Prime,

01:33:46.520 --> 01:33:48.440
right.

01:33:46.800 --> 01:33:50.239
>> Yeah. Um

01:33:48.439 --> 01:33:51.839
if you had no idea that this was about

01:33:50.239 --> 01:33:53.159
to happen and you were hovering over

01:33:51.840 --> 01:33:55.039
Earth observing us.

01:33:53.159 --> 01:33:57.359
>> What are the chances? I mean what are

01:33:55.039 --> 01:33:59.039
the chances? They're not very high.

01:33:57.359 --> 01:34:00.679
>> Yeah, they're not very I mean what are

01:33:59.039 --> 01:34:03.000
the chances a craft is coming over and

01:34:00.680 --> 01:34:06.560
they did a nuclear test that exact

01:34:03.000 --> 01:34:10.079
second? Unless there's a lot more

01:34:06.560 --> 01:34:11.120
observation than we know. And that they

01:34:10.079 --> 01:34:13.399
just

01:34:11.119 --> 01:34:15.319
observe us in a way that we can't see

01:34:13.399 --> 01:34:17.960
them. As especially if you're going back

01:34:15.319 --> 01:34:19.799
to the 1950s and 1960s

01:34:17.960 --> 01:34:22.760
we have very few satellites. We have

01:34:19.800 --> 01:34:24.320
very That was the nuclear cowboy era.

01:34:22.760 --> 01:34:25.159
>> Yeah. Where they were just Well, they

01:34:24.319 --> 01:34:26.960
just

01:34:25.159 --> 01:34:28.760
Starfish Prime, explain to people what

01:34:26.960 --> 01:34:32.359
they did. Yeah.

01:34:28.760 --> 01:34:34.800
I they did a 1.4 megaton, you know

01:34:32.359 --> 01:34:36.599
detonation up there and just

01:34:34.800 --> 01:34:38.039
I think all they did let's see what

01:34:36.600 --> 01:34:40.440
happens if we blow it up at this

01:34:38.039 --> 01:34:42.039
altitude. I mean that's crazy. You know,

01:34:40.439 --> 01:34:45.079
there was another

01:34:42.039 --> 01:34:48.359
test planned to blow up on the moon.

01:34:45.079 --> 01:34:50.920
Just just to make the Russians look uh

01:34:48.359 --> 01:34:54.799
you know like [laughter]

01:34:50.920 --> 01:34:56.399
like we were awesome. Um

01:34:54.800 --> 01:34:58.079
you know. But they

01:34:56.399 --> 01:35:00.319
>> Detonate the moon. What if they pushed

01:34:58.079 --> 01:35:01.800
it away and it up our orbit?

01:35:00.319 --> 01:35:04.159
Yeah, I think that would take a lot

01:35:01.800 --> 01:35:07.000
more. I know. I mean there was really I

01:35:04.159 --> 01:35:08.800
I don't remember what the uh

01:35:07.000 --> 01:35:10.239
the project

01:35:08.800 --> 01:35:12.239
Project A119.

01:35:10.239 --> 01:35:14.319
>> Oh, A119, that was it. Yeah, I

01:35:12.239 --> 01:35:17.439
>> Study of lunar research flights.

01:35:14.319 --> 01:35:19.479
Detonate nuclear Yeah, I I can't pull up

01:35:17.439 --> 01:35:22.719
these numbers, but yeah, A project

01:35:19.479 --> 01:35:24.839
A111A. Crazy. Yeah, we're going to do

01:35:22.720 --> 01:35:26.960
that. Because then like everybody on

01:35:24.840 --> 01:35:30.006
Earth could just go outside and look at

01:35:26.960 --> 01:35:30.399
the moon get blown up. And the

01:35:30.006 --> 01:35:32.440
>> [laughter]

01:35:30.399 --> 01:35:34.399
>> the explosion would be faintly visible

01:35:32.439 --> 01:35:35.479
to the human eye to people on Earth.

01:35:34.399 --> 01:35:36.599
>> Yeah. Wow.

01:35:35.479 --> 01:35:38.520
>> I still think they should have done

01:35:36.600 --> 01:35:39.280
that. But um

01:35:38.520 --> 01:35:40.920
>> [laughter]

01:35:39.279 --> 01:35:42.960
>> Yeah, but you're you're the guy that put

01:35:40.920 --> 01:35:44.640
a jet engine in the back of a Honda.

01:35:42.960 --> 01:35:46.239
Like let's see

01:35:44.640 --> 01:35:48.600
>> think they should detonate a nuclear

01:35:46.239 --> 01:35:50.359
bomb on the 4th of July every year.

01:35:48.600 --> 01:35:52.276
But that's just me.

01:35:50.359 --> 01:35:52.479
Um Well, also you live in Nevada

01:35:52.275 --> 01:35:53.559
>> [laughter]

01:35:52.479 --> 01:35:55.319
>> and it's more you're used to it at

01:35:53.560 --> 01:35:57.080
least. It had a long history of them

01:35:55.319 --> 01:36:00.079
doing that.

01:35:57.079 --> 01:36:01.479
Yeah, oh man. So going back to this uh

01:36:00.079 --> 01:36:03.359
reactor.

01:36:01.479 --> 01:36:05.639
So

01:36:03.359 --> 01:36:08.679
did how was it explained to you? Did

01:36:05.640 --> 01:36:11.720
they explain to you how the technology

01:36:08.680 --> 01:36:13.480
works or what they know about it? Like

01:36:11.720 --> 01:36:15.039
Now, the way it was explained to me is

01:36:13.479 --> 01:36:17.359
is

01:36:15.039 --> 01:36:20.159
when I got to be alone with Barry, he

01:36:17.359 --> 01:36:22.399
said he was excited to show this to me.

01:36:20.159 --> 01:36:25.760
He said I'm going to turn this is the

01:36:22.399 --> 01:36:28.519
reactor that we assume powers the craft.

01:36:25.760 --> 01:36:30.920
Sorry. No worries. I'm uh

01:36:28.520 --> 01:36:33.200
I'm going to uh show you the reactor

01:36:30.920 --> 01:36:34.560
that powers the craft. And he turned it

01:36:33.199 --> 01:36:36.519
on.

01:36:34.560 --> 01:36:37.760
Small little dome on a flat little

01:36:36.520 --> 01:36:39.800
plate.

01:36:37.760 --> 01:36:40.840
I said Was this in the craft or was this

01:36:39.800 --> 01:36:43.320
on a table?

01:36:40.840 --> 01:36:45.239
>> this is in the experimental area. Okay.

01:36:43.319 --> 01:36:46.759
And um So this was not the one that was

01:36:45.239 --> 01:36:48.599
in the sport craft, this was another

01:36:46.760 --> 01:36:49.680
one. This was another one.

01:36:48.600 --> 01:36:50.920
>> This is it right here.

01:36:49.680 --> 01:36:51.400
>> that's it. That's it. Okay, that's in

01:36:50.920 --> 01:36:54.319
the film.

01:36:51.399 --> 01:36:56.359
>> And yeah, on on the table and he had it

01:36:54.319 --> 01:36:59.159
there and he went over

01:36:56.359 --> 01:37:01.039
to the emitter and rotated it and he

01:36:59.159 --> 01:37:03.840
said try and touch it.

01:37:01.039 --> 01:37:06.640
And I put my hand on it and it it

01:37:03.840 --> 01:37:08.560
rebounded off. And I

01:37:06.640 --> 01:37:09.840
at the closer you got to it, the more it

01:37:08.560 --> 01:37:12.520
pushed back.

01:37:09.840 --> 01:37:14.560
And um that's that's a real shock

01:37:12.520 --> 01:37:16.280
because there's nothing that pushes back

01:37:14.560 --> 01:37:17.680
like that. That that's a that's a living

01:37:16.279 --> 01:37:18.759
force field, that's science fiction

01:37:17.680 --> 01:37:19.920
stuff.

01:37:18.760 --> 01:37:22.920
So

01:37:19.920 --> 01:37:25.720
um that really got my attention. So

01:37:22.920 --> 01:37:28.480
explain what is happening like in terms

01:37:25.720 --> 01:37:29.960
of the rotation of this thing?

01:37:28.479 --> 01:37:31.599
Like what it what is happening? Like

01:37:29.960 --> 01:37:33.960
what energy is going into it that's

01:37:31.600 --> 01:37:35.560
causing it to go on? Well, actually we

01:37:33.960 --> 01:37:38.079
don't know that.

01:37:35.560 --> 01:37:40.600
I mean that that's the whole thing. It's

01:37:38.079 --> 01:37:43.800
it's pushing back. That's a

01:37:40.600 --> 01:37:47.120
it's a repulsive gravitational field.

01:37:43.800 --> 01:37:49.760
Like as far as we know gravity gravity

01:37:47.119 --> 01:37:52.519
only has an attractive force to it.

01:37:49.760 --> 01:37:55.480
We've never even with any matter

01:37:52.520 --> 01:37:57.640
we've analyzed it and it still has

01:37:55.479 --> 01:38:01.079
an attractive force to it. There's no

01:37:57.640 --> 01:38:03.119
repulsive force that we've discovered.

01:38:01.079 --> 01:38:04.479
Because that would be a great propulsion

01:38:03.119 --> 01:38:07.159
system.

01:38:04.479 --> 01:38:10.039
But this repulsed.

01:38:07.159 --> 01:38:13.719
So this was a a new field completely.

01:38:10.039 --> 01:38:15.960
>> But how was he turning it on? He had

01:38:13.719 --> 01:38:20.359
the emitter, which is a big pipe. Part

01:38:15.960 --> 01:38:24.520
of What is an emitter? Like what is

01:38:20.359 --> 01:38:26.759
The craft itself has on the main level

01:38:24.520 --> 01:38:28.680
has the reactor

01:38:26.760 --> 01:38:31.719
and what we call the amplifiers. Three

01:38:28.680 --> 01:38:33.440
react the reactor and three amplifiers.

01:38:31.719 --> 01:38:36.239
Right underneath that

01:38:33.439 --> 01:38:38.799
there are three emitters

01:38:36.239 --> 01:38:41.039
that are right under the amplifiers. And

01:38:38.800 --> 01:38:43.760
we believe the energy

01:38:41.039 --> 01:38:45.159
from the reactor is amplified by the

01:38:43.760 --> 01:38:47.880
emitters.

01:38:45.159 --> 01:38:50.840
And By the amplifiers. By the

01:38:47.880 --> 01:38:52.319
amplifiers, sorry. And transmitted to

01:38:50.840 --> 01:38:54.840
the emitters.

01:38:52.319 --> 01:38:56.960
And they produce this field that lifts

01:38:54.840 --> 01:38:58.600
the craft off the ground.

01:38:56.960 --> 01:39:00.000
And that's how it works. But there is

01:38:58.600 --> 01:39:02.000
nothing

01:39:00.000 --> 01:39:04.520
nothing even in our physics or our

01:39:02.000 --> 01:39:06.279
science that

01:39:04.520 --> 01:39:08.320
that correlates to that at all.

01:39:06.279 --> 01:39:10.559
>> And what is the energy that's going to

01:39:08.319 --> 01:39:12.279
them that causes it to turn on? don't

01:39:10.560 --> 01:39:14.200
>> I mean we just assume it's gravity

01:39:12.279 --> 01:39:16.159
because it's the only thing we know like

01:39:14.199 --> 01:39:21.319
that, but

01:39:16.159 --> 01:39:21.319
it has a negative gravity effect. So,

01:39:21.479 --> 01:39:25.719
it might be a new force entirely.

01:39:23.920 --> 01:39:28.239
But when you were saying, so you have

01:39:25.720 --> 01:39:30.800
this machine that's next to it that you

01:39:28.239 --> 01:39:33.319
do something to that causes it to turn

01:39:30.800 --> 01:39:35.520
on. The emitter. The right. There's the

01:39:33.319 --> 01:39:37.799
amplifier and there's the emitter which

01:39:35.520 --> 01:39:40.000
looks like a big pipe. Right. And if you

01:39:37.800 --> 01:39:42.239
rotate the emitter, I don't remember how

01:39:40.000 --> 01:39:45.439
many degrees was it? 20 degrees?

01:39:42.239 --> 01:39:49.159
>> Three 20 degrees or something like that.

01:39:45.439 --> 01:39:50.839
That connects it in some way

01:39:49.159 --> 01:39:53.559
to

01:39:50.840 --> 01:39:56.640
the reactor and it begins to be powered.

01:39:53.560 --> 01:39:59.080
>> And what is the emitter doing?

01:39:56.640 --> 01:40:00.720
It emits that field.

01:39:59.079 --> 01:40:02.239
It's not a gravitate

01:40:00.720 --> 01:40:04.760
It could be a gravitational field, but

01:40:02.239 --> 01:40:07.000
it's an anti-gravitational field that

01:40:04.760 --> 01:40:08.720
pushes on the ground. And what's

01:40:07.000 --> 01:40:10.680
happening in the emitter? Did you study

01:40:08.720 --> 01:40:12.159
the emitter? Well, we attempted to, but

01:40:10.680 --> 01:40:13.880
no.

01:40:12.159 --> 01:40:15.119
There was nothing that we really came up

01:40:13.880 --> 01:40:16.720
with that.

01:40:15.119 --> 01:40:18.039
But what does it look like? Like what's

01:40:16.720 --> 01:40:22.920
the internal structure of it?

01:40:18.039 --> 01:40:24.000
>> It's just it's a hollow pipe with

01:40:22.920 --> 01:40:27.560
I guess

01:40:24.000 --> 01:40:32.560
little copper colored plates all inside.

01:40:27.560 --> 01:40:32.560
It's kind of in the in the film. Mhm. Um

01:40:32.720 --> 01:40:36.199
But this

01:40:33.880 --> 01:40:38.600
I mean, these guys have been working on

01:40:36.199 --> 01:40:41.399
it for years before I got there and

01:40:38.600 --> 01:40:44.440
there was really no

01:40:41.399 --> 01:40:47.399
no concept of what they were doing.

01:40:44.439 --> 01:40:49.799
Did they explain to you why element 115

01:40:47.399 --> 01:40:50.879
is crucial to this working and what

01:40:49.800 --> 01:40:52.840
>> No, but

01:40:50.880 --> 01:40:55.400
no.

01:40:52.840 --> 01:40:56.400
So, element 115 um

01:40:55.399 --> 01:40:58.199
was

01:40:56.399 --> 01:40:59.479
not even really discussed back when you

01:40:58.199 --> 01:41:02.800
were doing this. It was

01:40:59.479 --> 01:41:06.439
It wasn't even discovered or proven

01:41:02.800 --> 01:41:10.320
physically until it was a large hadron

01:41:06.439 --> 01:41:13.559
collider experiment in the 2000s, right?

01:41:10.319 --> 01:41:15.479
No, I know they they synthesized that.

01:41:13.560 --> 01:41:19.080
But look, and you know, in in any

01:41:15.479 --> 01:41:23.279
element there's always

01:41:19.079 --> 01:41:24.760
there's always a large amount of

01:41:23.279 --> 01:41:26.920
um

01:41:24.760 --> 01:41:28.119
Well, it did It doesn't decay.

01:41:26.920 --> 01:41:30.279
Yeah.

01:41:28.119 --> 01:41:32.319
That was the thing about in the large

01:41:30.279 --> 01:41:34.439
hadron collider experiment, they they

01:41:32.319 --> 01:41:37.039
were able to achieve it, but it only

01:41:34.439 --> 01:41:41.239
existed for a few milliseconds. Yeah.

01:41:37.039 --> 01:41:41.239
Sorry, I've had too much. No worries.

01:41:42.119 --> 01:41:44.399
So,

01:41:42.520 --> 01:41:45.400
>> um

01:41:44.399 --> 01:41:48.319
did they

01:41:45.399 --> 01:41:51.239
How did they define this material?

01:41:48.319 --> 01:41:52.799
>> I mean, there's different isotopes of of

01:41:51.239 --> 01:41:54.199
every element.

01:41:52.800 --> 01:41:56.680
And

01:41:54.199 --> 01:41:57.920
element 115, just like any other

01:41:56.680 --> 01:42:00.880
element,

01:41:57.920 --> 01:42:04.560
uh there can be a stable version of it

01:42:00.880 --> 01:42:06.279
and a hundred or 50 different unstable

01:42:04.560 --> 01:42:08.250
elements to them.

01:42:06.279 --> 01:42:10.269
So,

01:42:08.250 --> 01:42:10.270
>> [sighs]

01:42:11.359 --> 01:42:14.000
>> I'm sorry. No, no, it's all right. Just

01:42:13.079 --> 01:42:16.479
try to

01:42:14.000 --> 01:42:18.640
continue the train of thought. So, It's

01:42:16.479 --> 01:42:21.439
basically different isotopes of it.

01:42:18.640 --> 01:42:22.660
Yeah, different isotopes. I've I need to

01:42:21.439 --> 01:42:23.839
stop drinking this.

01:42:22.659 --> 01:42:26.159
>> [laughter]

01:42:23.840 --> 01:42:28.319
>> It's all right. Have a cup of coffee.

01:42:26.159 --> 01:42:30.119
I can't even remember. Yeah, so coffee's

01:42:28.319 --> 01:42:31.880
good. Oh, we got coffee.

01:42:30.119 --> 01:42:34.439
Oh my god.

01:42:31.880 --> 01:42:37.039
All right. Holy cow. There you go. Let

01:42:34.439 --> 01:42:38.960
it hop. Um Yeah, there's I mean, there's

01:42:37.039 --> 01:42:41.079
there's different isotopes. And you were

01:42:38.960 --> 01:42:45.359
able to physically touch this element

01:42:41.079 --> 01:42:45.359
Oh, absolutely. I was physically

01:42:45.680 --> 01:42:48.800
physically able to touch the element.

01:42:47.159 --> 01:42:50.559
Yeah. But when you're physically able to

01:42:48.800 --> 01:42:52.840
touch it, there's no adverse effects. It

01:42:50.560 --> 01:42:55.320
doesn't have any effect on the Feel like

01:42:52.840 --> 01:42:58.840
metal? Does it feel like plastic?

01:42:55.319 --> 01:43:01.759
>> It looks copper like. I mean, maybe it's

01:42:58.840 --> 01:43:04.159
not as dark as copper is, but it it's

01:43:01.760 --> 01:43:06.000
that color. Um

01:43:04.159 --> 01:43:08.760
and

01:43:06.000 --> 01:43:10.840
uh I haven't seen an element like that.

01:43:08.760 --> 01:43:14.640
It has unique properties that other

01:43:10.840 --> 01:43:17.360
elements don't have. It produces

01:43:14.640 --> 01:43:20.000
an anti-gravitational field.

01:43:17.359 --> 01:43:21.719
When combined with energy.

01:43:20.000 --> 01:43:22.159
With some kind of energy it produces

01:43:21.720 --> 01:43:23.119
this field.

01:43:22.159 --> 01:43:25.800
>> Yeah.

01:43:23.119 --> 01:43:27.680
And was it understood what is happening?

01:43:25.800 --> 01:43:30.680
Like what is the relationship between

01:43:27.680 --> 01:43:32.280
this element and this Like how is What

01:43:30.680 --> 01:43:34.320
is going on?

01:43:32.279 --> 01:43:36.399
Like you're bombarding this element with

01:43:34.319 --> 01:43:39.119
something? Yeah, I

01:43:36.399 --> 01:43:41.079
From what we understood, we x-rayed the

01:43:39.119 --> 01:43:44.599
reactor itself

01:43:41.079 --> 01:43:46.840
and there was a path around it

01:43:44.600 --> 01:43:49.280
that looked It made it look like a

01:43:46.840 --> 01:43:50.880
cyclotron. So,

01:43:49.279 --> 01:43:52.880
it looked like

01:43:50.880 --> 01:43:56.640
there was an accelerator.

01:43:52.880 --> 01:43:59.880
So, when they were explaining it to you,

01:43:56.640 --> 01:44:01.160
is is is this just your work partner

01:43:59.880 --> 01:44:02.520
that's explaining this stuff to you?

01:44:01.159 --> 01:44:02.760
>> Yes, it's it's just Barry that's

01:44:02.520 --> 01:44:04.200
explaining

01:44:02.760 --> 01:44:06.119
>> And did you ask him, how do you know

01:44:04.199 --> 01:44:07.159
this? Where are you getting this from?

01:44:06.119 --> 01:44:09.239
Is this

01:44:07.159 --> 01:44:10.479
Yeah, he got this information prior to

01:44:09.239 --> 01:44:11.719
me.

01:44:10.479 --> 01:44:14.799
Um

01:44:11.720 --> 01:44:16.680
and they x-rayed it,

01:44:14.800 --> 01:44:19.039
found

01:44:16.680 --> 01:44:21.320
um a a structure in there to where they

01:44:19.039 --> 01:44:23.840
believed it was an accelerator and it

01:44:21.319 --> 01:44:26.439
was interacting

01:44:23.840 --> 01:44:28.960
the point of the one The 115 is in a

01:44:26.439 --> 01:44:32.639
little triangular

01:44:28.960 --> 01:44:35.680
piece Mhm. and it was um interacting

01:44:32.640 --> 01:44:39.880
with that in some fashion. So,

01:44:35.680 --> 01:44:41.480
And did he say whether or not the United

01:44:39.880 --> 01:44:43.720
States government or whoever was doing

01:44:41.479 --> 01:44:45.439
this research had tried to recreate one

01:44:43.720 --> 01:44:47.560
of those on their own?

01:44:45.439 --> 01:44:49.719
That uh that was our job to try to

01:44:47.560 --> 01:44:51.160
recreate one of those on their own. But

01:44:49.720 --> 01:44:52.320
what was the metal that it was made out

01:44:51.159 --> 01:44:53.519
of?

01:44:52.319 --> 01:44:56.000
We don't know. We don't know.

01:44:53.520 --> 01:44:58.360
>> Again, the metallurgy was not that was

01:44:56.000 --> 01:44:59.960
not

01:44:58.359 --> 01:45:02.799
It seems insane that you couldn't

01:44:59.960 --> 01:45:05.640
communicate to them that whatever this

01:45:02.800 --> 01:45:07.880
stuff is made out of, this whole thing

01:45:05.640 --> 01:45:09.280
acts as one cohesive unit. It's not like

01:45:07.880 --> 01:45:11.600
you could make the same exact thing with

01:45:09.279 --> 01:45:13.319
aluminum or carbon fiber.

01:45:11.600 --> 01:45:14.680
>> No, you can't. This thing acted

01:45:13.319 --> 01:45:16.279
differently.

01:45:14.680 --> 01:45:18.400
This thing acted differently than any

01:45:16.279 --> 01:45:21.039
material that we knew.

01:45:18.399 --> 01:45:23.679
And I mean, I think all the answers are

01:45:21.039 --> 01:45:26.319
in the metallurgy guys. It you know,

01:45:23.680 --> 01:45:29.440
that's That's who knew what was going

01:45:26.319 --> 01:45:31.639
on, who was able to provide the answers.

01:45:29.439 --> 01:45:34.119
But um

01:45:31.640 --> 01:45:36.280
as far as we knew, if we didn't have the

01:45:34.119 --> 01:45:37.359
connection with those other groups, we

01:45:36.279 --> 01:45:38.559
weren't really going to make any

01:45:37.359 --> 01:45:41.759
progress.

01:45:38.560 --> 01:45:43.760
You were speculating that there was a

01:45:41.760 --> 01:45:46.920
type of

01:45:43.760 --> 01:45:48.600
metallic alloy that would work better

01:45:46.920 --> 01:45:52.159
with

01:45:48.600 --> 01:45:52.640
this concept. Was it Byzantine? Like

01:45:52.159 --> 01:45:55.279
what what was

01:45:52.640 --> 01:45:56.560
>> Bismuth. Bismuth, yes.

01:45:55.279 --> 01:45:58.000
Did I say that?

01:45:56.560 --> 01:46:00.400
>> think so. I don't know. I don't think

01:45:58.000 --> 01:46:01.239
so. No. Someone Someone that I talked to

01:46:00.399 --> 01:46:03.559
was explaining to me.

01:46:01.239 --> 01:46:06.279
>> It's related to on the periodic table. I

01:46:03.560 --> 01:46:09.400
mean, bismuth is above it and 115 is

01:46:06.279 --> 01:46:12.079
below it. But um we never did see any

01:46:09.399 --> 01:46:13.960
correlation between bismuth. This was a

01:46:12.079 --> 01:46:15.359
completely new material. Well, I think

01:46:13.960 --> 01:46:18.039
Oh, that's what it was. Oh, this is what

01:46:15.359 --> 01:46:21.880
it was. So, one of the pieces that Gary

01:46:18.039 --> 01:46:24.119
Nolan had [clears throat] found that was

01:46:21.880 --> 01:46:27.800
Gary Nolan is the guy to Stanford that

01:46:24.119 --> 01:46:31.000
has examined these pieces that are from

01:46:27.800 --> 01:46:33.320
supposedly crashed sites crash sites

01:46:31.000 --> 01:46:34.720
where something had gone down and

01:46:33.319 --> 01:46:36.719
scattered.

01:46:34.720 --> 01:46:38.199
Some of these pieces, they're atomically

01:46:36.720 --> 01:46:39.000
layered and

01:46:38.199 --> 01:46:41.760
>> I've heard that.

01:46:39.000 --> 01:46:42.560
>> magnesium and bismuth seem to be

01:46:41.760 --> 01:46:44.600
prevalent in this.

01:46:42.560 --> 01:46:46.840
>> Bismuth is the thing. Yeah. Bismuth is

01:46:44.600 --> 01:46:49.039
the thing. It's right above 115 on the

01:46:46.840 --> 01:46:50.440
periodic chart and there's Yeah, there's

01:46:49.039 --> 01:46:53.840
something about that. There's something

01:46:50.439 --> 01:46:55.599
about 115. Yeah. There's weird magnetism

01:46:53.840 --> 01:46:57.960
stuff with bismuth. There's a video from

01:46:55.600 --> 01:47:01.120
the Action Lab, The Strange Magnetism of

01:46:57.960 --> 01:47:02.760
Bismuth. And it's showing a bunch of

01:47:01.119 --> 01:47:05.359
>> Yeah.

01:47:02.760 --> 01:47:06.840
So, let him play it out a little bit.

01:47:05.359 --> 01:47:08.079
I'm trying to find the

01:47:06.840 --> 01:47:10.319
What is diamagnetic?

01:47:08.079 --> 01:47:12.600
>> Diamagnetic is it opposes magnetic

01:47:10.319 --> 01:47:14.679
fields. I see.

01:47:12.600 --> 01:47:18.200
So, it kind of makes sense if they're

01:47:14.680 --> 01:47:19.360
finding these pieces that are

01:47:18.199 --> 01:47:20.920
the way he was explaining

01:47:19.359 --> 01:47:23.000
>> Bismuth. That's bismuth, yeah. the way

01:47:20.920 --> 01:47:24.399
he's explaining this whatever this alloy

01:47:23.000 --> 01:47:27.199
was, this very small piece that was

01:47:24.399 --> 01:47:29.000
found, I believe in

01:47:27.199 --> 01:47:30.679
prior to the 1970s. I don't remember the

01:47:29.000 --> 01:47:32.600
exact date that he said. From one of

01:47:30.680 --> 01:47:34.800
these crash One of them was from Brazil

01:47:32.600 --> 01:47:37.079
that they had recovered. And someone had

01:47:34.800 --> 01:47:39.400
gotten possession of it in the 1990s and

01:47:37.079 --> 01:47:40.600
someone had gotten it eventually to Gary

01:47:39.399 --> 01:47:42.679
Nolan.

01:47:40.600 --> 01:47:44.280
He said that to create this on Earth,

01:47:42.680 --> 01:47:45.880
first of all, it can't be done with

01:47:44.279 --> 01:47:47.199
current technology. We don't have the

01:47:45.880 --> 01:47:48.000
ability to do this.

01:47:47.199 --> 01:47:50.760
>> technology?

01:47:48.000 --> 01:47:51.920
>> Yes. And that it would cost billions of

01:47:50.760 --> 01:47:54.960
dollars

01:47:51.920 --> 01:47:57.079
just theoretically to make this and it's

01:47:54.960 --> 01:47:58.520
It doesn't exist.

01:47:57.079 --> 01:48:00.439
Yeah, this is it. Alleged

01:47:58.520 --> 01:48:03.560
extraterrestrial metal the bottom of a

01:48:00.439 --> 01:48:06.919
wedge shaped craft in 1940s. 26

01:48:03.560 --> 01:48:08.160
alternating layers, 1 to 4 microns dark

01:48:06.920 --> 01:48:10.440
bismuth

01:48:08.159 --> 01:48:13.079
with a hundred to two hundred microns of

01:48:10.439 --> 01:48:15.079
silver magnesium zinc alloy. Each piece

01:48:13.079 --> 01:48:18.119
received from the US Army source were

01:48:15.079 --> 01:48:21.039
formed with a curvature that tapered.

01:48:18.119 --> 01:48:22.960
Oh, in the four in the 40s. Yeah. Right.

01:48:21.039 --> 01:48:23.279
That good good luck making that in the

01:48:22.960 --> 01:48:24.480
40s.

01:48:23.279 --> 01:48:26.920
>> says a wedge

01:48:24.479 --> 01:48:29.519
wedge shaped craft in late 1940s. That's

01:48:26.920 --> 01:48:32.640
Roswell. I mean, that's that's Roswell.

01:48:29.520 --> 01:48:34.280
Well, I mean, what What does it do? I

01:48:32.640 --> 01:48:36.240
would like to see the test results of

01:48:34.279 --> 01:48:39.199
just the material.

01:48:36.239 --> 01:48:40.159
Um we can make that now.

01:48:39.199 --> 01:48:43.639
We can?

01:48:40.159 --> 01:48:47.239
Yeah. 1 to 4 microns of bismuth?

01:48:43.640 --> 01:48:48.800
200 microns of silver? Yeah.

01:48:47.239 --> 01:48:50.399
The thing is like making something like

01:48:48.800 --> 01:48:50.880
that in the 1940s is absolutely

01:48:50.399 --> 01:48:52.519
impossible.

01:48:50.880 --> 01:48:54.319
>> in the 40s, forget it.

01:48:52.520 --> 01:48:55.240
>> But I mean, now we could fabricate

01:48:54.319 --> 01:48:56.960
something like that.

01:48:55.239 --> 01:48:58.159
>> And it would cost a shitload of money.

01:48:56.960 --> 01:48:59.480
So, like the idea that you would make

01:48:58.159 --> 01:49:01.599
something like that and just scatter it

01:48:59.479 --> 01:49:04.439
around and go, But what But what does it

01:49:01.600 --> 01:49:06.960
do? Right. What does it do? Why? Why is

01:49:04.439 --> 01:49:08.000
magnesium and bismuth why in that

01:49:06.960 --> 01:49:10.119
particular

01:49:08.000 --> 01:49:12.079
>> There is something about Bismuth.

01:49:10.119 --> 01:49:13.960
There was something about Bismuth. But

01:49:12.079 --> 01:49:15.840
that's that's why it's so fascinating. I

01:49:13.960 --> 01:49:18.079
would I would love to know where they

01:49:15.840 --> 01:49:19.840
Like it's been 40 years. I would love to

01:49:18.079 --> 01:49:22.119
know Where they're at now. Yeah, where

01:49:19.840 --> 01:49:23.640
they're at now. If they continued.

01:49:22.119 --> 01:49:24.920
Well, they had to have continued. I

01:49:23.640 --> 01:49:26.360
can't I can't imagine you go, "Ah, we're

01:49:24.920 --> 01:49:28.119
done."

01:49:26.359 --> 01:49:29.960
No, I mean they might have moved it. I

01:49:28.119 --> 01:49:31.399
mean like I like I said before I mean

01:49:29.960 --> 01:49:32.920
they were anxious to move it out of

01:49:31.399 --> 01:49:35.920
there at that time.

01:49:32.920 --> 01:49:39.319
But Are you aware of

01:49:35.920 --> 01:49:41.600
the labyrinths in Egypt that they

01:49:39.319 --> 01:49:42.439
discovered?

01:49:41.600 --> 01:49:44.680
So, there's this

01:49:42.439 --> 01:49:45.359
>> Are you talking about the The columns.

01:49:44.680 --> 01:49:47.520
Columns on the

01:49:45.359 --> 01:49:49.880
>> no. This is unrelated. This is something

01:49:47.520 --> 01:49:52.600
different. So, Herodotus discussed this.

01:49:49.880 --> 01:49:54.640
Now, my friend Ben Van Kerkwijk, he has

01:49:52.600 --> 01:49:56.560
UnchartedX on

01:49:54.640 --> 01:49:59.520
YouTube. It's an amazing channel where

01:49:56.560 --> 01:50:02.000
he was a tech guy who just got

01:49:59.520 --> 01:50:03.520
absolutely fascinated by all these

01:50:02.000 --> 01:50:07.880
stories of ancient history and really

01:50:03.520 --> 01:50:09.840
got obsessed with Egypt and Peru and and

01:50:07.880 --> 01:50:12.520
left his field and started making these

01:50:09.840 --> 01:50:14.880
incredible videos. But he's highly

01:50:12.520 --> 01:50:16.920
intelligent incredibly articulate. And

01:50:14.880 --> 01:50:20.720
so these videos are just absolutely

01:50:16.920 --> 01:50:22.199
fantastic and really uh

01:50:20.720 --> 01:50:24.400
he's he's

01:50:22.199 --> 01:50:26.519
very well versed scientifically so you

01:50:24.399 --> 01:50:29.239
can understand these things and explain

01:50:26.520 --> 01:50:31.760
them to you. Like they're examining like

01:50:29.239 --> 01:50:33.439
the construction of the pyramids and the

01:50:31.760 --> 01:50:36.440
whatever technology was used to carve

01:50:33.439 --> 01:50:38.719
the stones and there's just so much of

01:50:36.439 --> 01:50:42.079
it that is like confusing because it's

01:50:38.720 --> 01:50:43.680
it clearly is like a very high level of

01:50:42.079 --> 01:50:45.640
sophistication and technology that's

01:50:43.680 --> 01:50:48.360
involved in creating these things. Well,

01:50:45.640 --> 01:50:51.360
Herodotus described these labyrinths

01:50:48.359 --> 01:50:53.639
that were underground in Giza. Not not

01:50:51.359 --> 01:50:54.920
not in Giza, but Hawara? Is that where

01:50:53.640 --> 01:50:58.160
it was?

01:50:54.920 --> 01:51:00.680
Jimmy will find it. But this these the

01:50:58.159 --> 01:51:03.880
way Herodotus described it he said they

01:51:00.680 --> 01:51:06.800
were far superior and more impressive

01:51:03.880 --> 01:51:10.000
than the the the pyramids of Giza.

01:51:06.800 --> 01:51:12.720
Underground. Well, these massive

01:51:10.000 --> 01:51:15.439
labyrinths that exist underground were

01:51:12.720 --> 01:51:18.960
all flooded in the 1960s accidentally

01:51:15.439 --> 01:51:21.399
when they created dams in order to

01:51:18.960 --> 01:51:22.840
provide irrigation to agriculture that

01:51:21.399 --> 01:51:24.839
was in the area. So, they changed the

01:51:22.840 --> 01:51:25.760
water table, it up. This whole

01:51:24.840 --> 01:51:27.079
area got flooded.

01:51:25.760 --> 01:51:28.079
>> Did they know they were there when they

01:51:27.079 --> 01:51:30.039
accidentally

01:51:28.079 --> 01:51:31.800
>> because a lot of this stuff like this is

01:51:30.039 --> 01:51:33.560
from thousands and thousands of years

01:51:31.800 --> 01:51:35.920
ago. A lot of it was covered over with

01:51:33.560 --> 01:51:38.440
sand and you know, there had there had

01:51:35.920 --> 01:51:40.520
been some explorers a long time ago that

01:51:38.439 --> 01:51:42.639
went there and saw some of what was in

01:51:40.520 --> 01:51:45.240
there. But the way Herodotus described

01:51:42.640 --> 01:51:46.840
it it's just absolutely fantastic.

01:51:45.239 --> 01:51:49.000
So, then they started using ground

01:51:46.840 --> 01:51:50.520
penetrating radar. And they started

01:51:49.000 --> 01:51:52.319
using these various technologies that

01:51:50.520 --> 01:51:54.120
could detect what was under the surface.

01:51:52.319 --> 01:51:57.159
And one of the things that they found

01:51:54.119 --> 01:51:58.840
was there's a massive atrium. And inside

01:51:57.159 --> 01:52:03.399
this atrium yes.

01:51:58.840 --> 01:52:06.279
>> There is a 40 m long metallic object

01:52:03.399 --> 01:52:09.479
that is inside this atrium.

01:52:06.279 --> 01:52:10.800
40 m of some unknown metal. How deep is

01:52:09.479 --> 01:52:13.319
it?

01:52:10.800 --> 01:52:15.600
I believe it's 100 m into the ground.

01:52:13.319 --> 01:52:18.559
So, you're telling me ground penetrating

01:52:15.600 --> 01:52:19.640
radar can get to 100 m underground and

01:52:18.560 --> 01:52:22.360
>> that

01:52:19.640 --> 01:52:23.520
Filippo Bondi has used from satellites

01:52:22.359 --> 01:52:26.960
The one that we were talking about.

01:52:23.520 --> 01:52:27.280
>> more than a kilometer into the ground.

01:52:26.960 --> 01:52:30.319
And

01:52:27.279 --> 01:52:32.000
>> With decent resolution? Well, No. not

01:52:30.319 --> 01:52:34.119
decent resolution, but enough that you

01:52:32.000 --> 01:52:36.239
could see symmetry. Enough that they can

01:52:34.119 --> 01:52:38.760
also detect things that are well known.

01:52:36.239 --> 01:52:42.239
100 m is for chambers Well, listen to

01:52:38.760 --> 01:52:45.320
this. They got they detected accurately

01:52:42.239 --> 01:52:49.239
a particle collider in Italy that is

01:52:45.319 --> 01:52:51.479
inside of a mountain 1.2 km below the

01:52:49.239 --> 01:52:53.920
mountain. It sees through the mountain

01:52:51.479 --> 01:52:56.039
and can detect this thing in the exact

01:52:53.920 --> 01:52:58.480
diameter the exact

01:52:56.039 --> 01:53:00.800
dimensions that this thing exist. So,

01:52:58.479 --> 01:53:04.279
they can show you this

01:53:00.800 --> 01:53:05.560
>> Yes. A particle collider? Yes. So, this

01:53:04.279 --> 01:53:07.359
is a particle collider that they they

01:53:05.560 --> 01:53:08.520
know exists, right? So, this is an

01:53:07.359 --> 01:53:10.000
actual particle collider

01:53:08.520 --> 01:53:11.280
>> looking for it just to prove So, they

01:53:10.000 --> 01:53:12.920
they just it's just proof that this

01:53:11.279 --> 01:53:15.239
technology is not just

01:53:12.920 --> 01:53:16.760
>> Well, wait. I mean hang on. I mean how

01:53:15.239 --> 01:53:18.039
do they know it's a particle collider?

01:53:16.760 --> 01:53:20.680
>> No, no. Well, no, the particle collider

01:53:18.039 --> 01:53:23.000
exists. This is a the the the Italians

01:53:20.680 --> 01:53:25.720
have this particle collider. It it it

01:53:23.000 --> 01:53:27.279
it's known. They made it. It's like it's

01:53:25.720 --> 01:53:29.280
>> Okay, they they didn't detect something

01:53:27.279 --> 01:53:30.599
underground. Right. No, it's not like we

01:53:29.279 --> 01:53:31.399
found a particle collider that didn't

01:53:30.600 --> 01:53:32.800
exist.

01:53:31.399 --> 01:53:34.960
No, no, no, no. So, this [laughter]

01:53:32.800 --> 01:53:37.480
particle collider they used this

01:53:34.960 --> 01:53:40.439
technology to show that you can see

01:53:37.479 --> 01:53:41.839
straight through this mountain to this

01:53:40.439 --> 01:53:43.279
particle collider that's underneath the

01:53:41.840 --> 01:53:44.960
mountain.

01:53:43.279 --> 01:53:46.719
So, they know the the exact dimensions

01:53:44.960 --> 01:53:48.840
of this particle collider. You can see

01:53:46.720 --> 01:53:50.880
you can almost draw a schematic of it.

01:53:48.840 --> 01:53:52.720
Well, through this technology they've

01:53:50.880 --> 01:53:56.960
also found these columns that are below

01:53:52.720 --> 01:54:00.520
the pyramids. These columns are 22 m 20

01:53:56.960 --> 01:54:03.079
plus meters in diameter and they have

01:54:00.520 --> 01:54:05.680
something that resembles coils around

01:54:03.079 --> 01:54:08.039
all of them. And they're positioned at

01:54:05.680 --> 01:54:10.280
various points all around where the

01:54:08.039 --> 01:54:12.239
structure is. It goes all the way down

01:54:10.279 --> 01:54:14.319
into hundreds of meters down and then it

01:54:12.239 --> 01:54:17.159
goes to another structure and the whole

01:54:14.319 --> 01:54:19.159
complex of it these structures goes to

01:54:17.159 --> 01:54:20.800
over a kilometer into the ground.

01:54:19.159 --> 01:54:22.479
>> But how can you see a kilometer

01:54:20.800 --> 01:54:24.239
underground? Well, you would have to

01:54:22.479 --> 01:54:26.839
understand this technology. What it it

01:54:24.239 --> 01:54:28.239
was it called radio tomography? He

01:54:26.840 --> 01:54:31.079
explained it to me.

01:54:28.239 --> 01:54:32.039
>> aperture radar, right? Yes. Well,

01:54:31.079 --> 01:54:34.079
whatever this technology

01:54:32.039 --> 01:54:36.560
>> a kilometer underground at decent

01:54:34.079 --> 01:54:38.600
resolution? It's not decent resolution,

01:54:36.560 --> 01:54:40.400
but it's enough to understand the scope

01:54:38.600 --> 01:54:42.640
of what it is. It's enough to understand

01:54:40.399 --> 01:54:45.399
where spaces are Like everybody knows

01:54:42.640 --> 01:54:47.400
about this but me. I mean

01:54:45.399 --> 01:54:49.759
It's pretty fascinating. I'll send you

01:54:47.399 --> 01:54:51.839
the podcast and I'll send you some of

01:54:49.760 --> 01:54:54.199
his conferences where he was explaining

01:54:51.840 --> 01:54:55.840
this to room fills with scientists.

01:54:54.199 --> 01:54:56.519
>> You would think they'd be anxious to dig

01:54:55.840 --> 01:54:57.440
this up.

01:54:56.520 --> 01:54:59.880
>> They are.

01:54:57.439 --> 01:55:01.960
And there's there's there's actual like

01:54:59.880 --> 01:55:03.680
studies that are Okay. currently being

01:55:01.960 --> 01:55:05.800
discussed. Well, they already know that

01:55:03.680 --> 01:55:07.840
there's these channels that go in the

01:55:05.800 --> 01:55:10.000
ground that have since been covered with

01:55:07.840 --> 01:55:11.640
silt and sand because you know the the

01:55:10.000 --> 01:55:13.600
sand's constantly moving. But these

01:55:11.640 --> 01:55:15.880
things go hundreds of meters down these

01:55:13.600 --> 01:55:18.039
shafts that go down. Like if they find

01:55:15.880 --> 01:55:20.600
hundreds of If they find shafts hundreds

01:55:18.039 --> 01:55:22.840
of meters down with coils around them

01:55:20.600 --> 01:55:24.739
Look, that's advanced technology.

01:55:22.840 --> 01:55:25.800
>> Exactly. This is the point. This is the

01:55:24.738 --> 01:55:28.079
[clears throat] point.

01:55:25.800 --> 01:55:29.880
Whatever this thing is that they have in

01:55:28.079 --> 01:55:31.960
an atrium. Like if they said that they

01:55:29.880 --> 01:55:33.640
got that craft from an archaeological

01:55:31.960 --> 01:55:35.760
dig

01:55:33.640 --> 01:55:38.160
I mean what

01:55:35.760 --> 01:55:40.280
Maybe the Egyptians had found something

01:55:38.159 --> 01:55:41.639
similar to this thousands and thousands

01:55:40.279 --> 01:55:44.039
and thousands of years ago.

01:55:41.640 --> 01:55:45.520
>> believe that's possible. Yeah.

01:55:44.039 --> 01:55:47.399
Well,

01:55:45.520 --> 01:55:49.520
The object that you're I didn't I

01:55:47.399 --> 01:55:50.799
actually got to speak to Filippo Bondi

01:55:49.520 --> 01:55:52.240
by the way.

01:55:50.800 --> 01:55:54.000
He's in Italy he's in Rome we got to

01:55:52.239 --> 01:55:56.760
speak I speak Italian so we got to talk

01:55:54.000 --> 01:55:59.000
and we talked about that. I had no idea

01:55:56.760 --> 01:56:00.680
they found something with a metal object

01:55:59.000 --> 01:56:03.319
down there though. This is not Filippo

01:56:00.680 --> 01:56:05.360
Bondi's work. This is some different

01:56:03.319 --> 01:56:07.920
scientists that are just studying the

01:56:05.359 --> 01:56:10.679
labyrinths. Jimmy, pull up some some of

01:56:07.920 --> 01:56:12.159
the schematics of the labyrinth. So, in

01:56:10.680 --> 01:56:13.119
the labyrinth there's like a big

01:56:12.159 --> 01:56:14.840
>> Sorry.

01:56:13.119 --> 01:56:15.079
atrium. You got to pee again? Yeah. Go

01:56:14.840 --> 01:56:16.680
ahead. Go ahead.

01:56:15.079 --> 01:56:17.920
>> Sorry. Head up. Yeah.

01:56:16.680 --> 01:56:20.159
Go ahead. I feel like a ass.

01:56:17.920 --> 01:56:22.159
>> Don't worry about it. Get some air.

01:56:20.159 --> 01:56:25.119
Clear your head. I have a prostate. So,

01:56:22.159 --> 01:56:28.279
in this in this labyrinth there's a

01:56:25.119 --> 01:56:31.519
large atrium. And in this large atrium

01:56:28.279 --> 01:56:35.039
there is essentially a Tic Tac

01:56:31.520 --> 01:56:40.280
>> Really? a Tic Tac shaped object that is

01:56:35.039 --> 01:56:41.439
40 m long that is of some unknown metal.

01:56:40.279 --> 01:56:42.880
They don't know what it is. They don't

01:56:41.439 --> 01:56:46.359
know how it works. But this is this

01:56:42.880 --> 01:56:47.239
structure is all underground

01:56:46.359 --> 01:56:49.599
in Egypt.

01:56:47.239 --> 01:56:52.279
>> Which is wild because and how how it's

01:56:49.600 --> 01:56:54.480
100 m? Well, look at Well, we'll get a

01:56:52.279 --> 01:56:57.159
chance to look at it. This is Hawara.

01:56:54.479 --> 01:56:59.199
So, So, there where it says the 40 m

01:56:57.159 --> 01:57:00.399
metallic object. See that where it says

01:56:59.199 --> 01:57:02.159
Hawara Rising?

01:57:00.399 --> 01:57:04.719
>> Yeah. So, if you click on that it talks

01:57:02.159 --> 01:57:07.159
about the 40 m metallic object

01:57:04.720 --> 01:57:08.640
discovered in Egyptians.

01:57:07.159 --> 01:57:09.239
I don't think I can't We can't read a

01:57:08.640 --> 01:57:11.039
report on that.

01:57:09.239 --> 01:57:11.880
>> Subterranean labyrinth. Yeah. This is

01:57:11.039 --> 01:57:15.359
people talking about it.

01:57:11.880 --> 01:57:16.960
>> Right. Got it. But so whatever it is,

01:57:15.359 --> 01:57:18.710
you play out some of the video just so

01:57:16.960 --> 01:57:19.319
we could talk about it.

01:57:18.711 --> 01:57:20.640
>> [snorts]

01:57:19.319 --> 01:57:23.639
>> So,

01:57:20.640 --> 01:57:25.280
this this whole thing if you see some of

01:57:23.640 --> 01:57:27.200
the images that they're discussing

01:57:25.279 --> 01:57:29.920
friends Luis Dacordier will get into

01:57:27.199 --> 01:57:33.079
images I think. And today we're

01:57:29.920 --> 01:57:36.760
Yeah. about the work that I um Chicago

01:57:33.079 --> 01:57:38.439
Huh. uh and the team that was in uh

01:57:36.760 --> 01:57:40.400
Poland as well.

01:57:38.439 --> 01:57:42.519
And at that point is when I had met the

01:57:40.399 --> 01:57:46.279
person Lucinda Lubis

01:57:42.520 --> 01:57:48.640
who later became my wife 6 months later.

01:57:46.279 --> 01:57:49.239
So, yeah, you you actually

01:57:48.640 --> 01:57:51.760
um

01:57:49.239 --> 01:57:52.960
were working with the NRA G and then the

01:57:51.760 --> 01:57:54.960
I don't know what they're talking about.

01:57:52.960 --> 01:57:56.039
Yeah, that is not going to help us. But

01:57:54.960 --> 01:57:58.800
if you could just go to some of the

01:57:56.039 --> 01:57:59.279
images where they've sort of outlined

01:57:58.800 --> 01:58:00.840
what it is.

01:57:59.279 --> 01:58:02.279
>> find it. I That's

01:58:00.840 --> 01:58:04.000
There is not a very clear image of the

01:58:02.279 --> 01:58:04.279
metallic object that

01:58:04.000 --> 01:58:06.000
they're talking

01:58:04.279 --> 01:58:07.559
>> But just the labyrinth itself what they

01:58:06.000 --> 01:58:08.640
think the structure of it was. That's

01:58:07.560 --> 01:58:10.760
why I I don't know where they got this

01:58:08.640 --> 01:58:12.480
from is also the other issue.

01:58:10.760 --> 01:58:14.199
>> m mystery metal object that

01:58:12.479 --> 01:58:15.759
>> That's a weird rendering that doesn't

01:58:14.199 --> 01:58:18.199
usually come out from Right, but there's

01:58:15.760 --> 01:58:19.360
some other drawings of like from the

01:58:18.199 --> 01:58:20.239
Herodotus days and

01:58:19.359 --> 01:58:21.799
>> Yeah, but I

01:58:20.239 --> 01:58:24.210
Like so, this is what they think it

01:58:21.800 --> 01:58:25.239
looks like under the ground.

01:58:24.211 --> 01:58:27.240
>> [snorts]

01:58:25.239 --> 01:58:30.239
>> Which is completely bonkers. And

01:58:27.239 --> 01:58:31.920
if there is some 40 m metallic object

01:58:30.239 --> 01:58:33.679
that's under the ground and we are

01:58:31.920 --> 01:58:35.680
talking about like the sport model being

01:58:33.680 --> 01:58:38.640
a part of an archaeological Right. They

01:58:35.680 --> 01:58:40.079
might have found something back then

01:58:38.640 --> 01:58:41.000
and worshiped that thing and had that

01:58:40.079 --> 01:58:43.079
thing as like

01:58:41.000 --> 01:58:45.279
>> They turned it into this. Right. As a

01:58:43.079 --> 01:58:48.279
pyramid Yeah.

01:58:45.279 --> 01:58:49.319
I I I I think there's something to that.

01:58:48.279 --> 01:58:51.439
Well, there

01:58:49.319 --> 01:58:53.119
you know, all these people that believe

01:58:51.439 --> 01:58:54.719
that there was a incredibly advanced

01:58:53.119 --> 01:58:57.880
civilization before some sort of

01:58:54.719 --> 01:59:00.279
apocalyptic disaster that

01:58:57.880 --> 01:59:03.319
reset civilization and it took thousands

01:59:00.279 --> 01:59:05.840
of years. And what we are essentially is

01:59:03.319 --> 01:59:08.279
not the first advanced civilization but

01:59:05.840 --> 01:59:10.640
a rebuild. A rebuild thousands and

01:59:08.279 --> 01:59:14.119
thousands and thousands of years later.

01:59:10.640 --> 01:59:16.360
You know, that rings true with me. And

01:59:14.119 --> 01:59:18.920
as Graham Hancock always says, we are a

01:59:16.359 --> 01:59:20.719
species with amnesia. And I think that

01:59:18.920 --> 01:59:22.440
makes sense. And I think if you're

01:59:20.720 --> 01:59:25.039
dealing with people that were basically

01:59:22.439 --> 01:59:27.319
knocked back into the Stone Age 11,000,

01:59:25.039 --> 01:59:29.519
12,000 years ago and it took us forever

01:59:27.319 --> 01:59:31.079
to rebuild to where we are now. I think

01:59:29.520 --> 01:59:33.760
we've gone down a completely different

01:59:31.079 --> 01:59:35.800
path than whatever the people that were

01:59:33.760 --> 01:59:37.360
able to build the pyramids of Egypt and

01:59:35.800 --> 01:59:39.760
all these fantastic megalithic

01:59:37.359 --> 01:59:42.079
structures were in in a we don't

01:59:39.760 --> 01:59:43.720
understand the technology we used. We

01:59:42.079 --> 01:59:45.239
don't And it doesn't it literally

01:59:43.720 --> 01:59:47.079
doesn't make sense that they were able

01:59:45.239 --> 01:59:48.760
to do this. It's even like when we see

01:59:47.079 --> 01:59:50.479
those big gigantic stones and they're

01:59:48.760 --> 01:59:52.159
not just piled together. They're like

01:59:50.479 --> 01:59:53.759
interlocked in weird shapes and all

01:59:52.159 --> 01:59:55.119
that. It's like how do we how did that

01:59:53.760 --> 01:59:56.560
happen? I mean that you know, those are

01:59:55.119 --> 01:59:58.399
the things that yeah, I agree with you.

01:59:56.560 --> 02:00:00.080
>> Yeah, archaeologists are very reluctant

01:59:58.399 --> 02:00:02.319
to admit it but there's tremendous

02:00:00.079 --> 02:00:05.479
evidence that not only were these people

02:00:02.319 --> 02:00:07.079
far more advanced than we think people

02:00:05.479 --> 02:00:09.319
should have been back then but they're

02:00:07.079 --> 02:00:11.000
probably more advanced than we are now

02:00:09.319 --> 02:00:14.000
with some

02:00:11.000 --> 02:00:16.119
different kind of technology. And maybe

02:00:14.000 --> 02:00:18.800
like again, it's like a it's like

02:00:16.119 --> 02:00:20.079
advanced but in a different way. Right.

02:00:18.800 --> 02:00:21.920
Right cuz otherwise

02:00:20.079 --> 02:00:23.920
>> pathway. They didn't go

02:00:21.920 --> 02:00:25.880
>> our way. Yeah, they didn't go internal

02:00:23.920 --> 02:00:26.920
combustion engine and electronics

02:00:25.880 --> 02:00:27.480
>> Cuz we would see something.

02:00:26.920 --> 02:00:29.239
>> Exactly.

02:00:27.479 --> 02:00:31.239
>> Right. But might not if you're thinking

02:00:29.239 --> 02:00:32.760
about a 100,000 years ago. There might

02:00:31.239 --> 02:00:35.079
not be anything left which is part of

02:00:32.760 --> 02:00:38.360
the problem. But whatever this metallic

02:00:35.079 --> 02:00:40.319
object is, if they are able to figure

02:00:38.359 --> 02:00:41.279
out a way to divert some of the water

02:00:40.319 --> 02:00:43.759
there

02:00:41.279 --> 02:00:45.719
see all layers converge at a central

02:00:43.760 --> 02:00:47.440
corridor or avenue, he said, like the

02:00:45.720 --> 02:00:50.000
atrium of shopping mall where you can

02:00:47.439 --> 02:00:53.119
see all floors from one vantage point. A

02:00:50.000 --> 02:00:55.920
hall consisting of a massive space 40 m

02:00:53.119 --> 02:00:57.479
wide and no less than 100 m long. My

02:00:55.920 --> 02:00:59.680
personal interpretation, Tim said, is

02:00:57.479 --> 02:01:01.839
that the entire hall was constructed to

02:00:59.680 --> 02:01:05.119
house a centrally positioned

02:01:01.840 --> 02:01:06.960
free-standing object about 40 m long.

02:01:05.119 --> 02:01:10.319
Wow. So this hall, they believe was

02:01:06.960 --> 02:01:12.439
constructed to house whatever this 40-m

02:01:10.319 --> 02:01:14.679
long unknown metallic object is.

02:01:12.439 --> 02:01:16.039
>> not dig that up? Well, they could but

02:01:14.680 --> 02:01:17.760
it's going to cost an immense amount of

02:01:16.039 --> 02:01:20.479
money. And the thing is about the

02:01:17.760 --> 02:01:23.119
Egyptians the people that run it, I had

02:01:20.479 --> 02:01:25.719
one of them on the podcast, Zahi Hawass,

02:01:23.119 --> 02:01:28.239
and he's incredibly dogmatic about his

02:01:25.720 --> 02:01:30.240
ideas of who built this and what. And

02:01:28.239 --> 02:01:32.960
when you say, "How did they make these

02:01:30.239 --> 02:01:35.319
structures? 2 million, 300,000 stones

02:01:32.960 --> 02:01:37.159
that weigh between 2 and 80 tons. The

02:01:35.319 --> 02:01:38.519
biggest stones cut from quarries that

02:01:37.159 --> 02:01:40.319
were hundreds of miles away through the

02:01:38.520 --> 02:01:41.880
mountain." And it's like, "This was a

02:01:40.319 --> 02:01:43.988
national project." Yeah, man. The

02:01:41.880 --> 02:01:45.680
Egyptians did everything because

02:01:43.988 --> 02:01:47.239
[laughter] they were awesome. Yeah. I'm

02:01:45.680 --> 02:01:48.840
sure they were awesome. I'm sure they

02:01:47.239 --> 02:01:50.840
were awesome but it doesn't explain the

02:01:48.840 --> 02:01:53.239
technology involved cuz there's extreme

02:01:50.840 --> 02:01:55.199
technology. Just to be able to cut those

02:01:53.239 --> 02:01:57.880
things. Like one of the things that they

02:01:55.199 --> 02:01:59.720
don't understand is these vases.

02:01:57.880 --> 02:02:03.000
These vases that they made that are

02:01:59.720 --> 02:02:06.240
perfectly Yeah. perfectly designed where

02:02:03.000 --> 02:02:08.600
there's the the difference between like

02:02:06.239 --> 02:02:11.199
the edges and the symmetry is like a

02:02:08.600 --> 02:02:13.600
thousandth of a human hair. And these

02:02:11.199 --> 02:02:15.439
are cut out of incredibly hard granite.

02:02:13.600 --> 02:02:17.240
They don't Really? I've never heard

02:02:15.439 --> 02:02:17.799
Yeah. Yeah. You guys are familiar with

02:02:17.239 --> 02:02:20.439
that.

02:02:17.800 --> 02:02:21.159
>> This is a 3D print of one of them that

02:02:20.439 --> 02:02:22.639
exists.

02:02:21.159 --> 02:02:24.960
>> Yeah, and they're fascinated by the

02:02:22.640 --> 02:02:26.360
perfection and they're saying how did

02:02:24.960 --> 02:02:28.960
they do that? We don't even know how to

02:02:26.359 --> 02:02:32.119
do that. incredibly hard stone.

02:02:28.960 --> 02:02:33.960
>> Built with an incredible precision. Yes.

02:02:32.119 --> 02:02:35.519
Incredibly

02:02:33.960 --> 02:02:37.239
incredibly hard granite, incredible

02:02:35.520 --> 02:02:39.960
precision back when they had no metal

02:02:37.239 --> 02:02:41.880
alloys. They had copper tools. It

02:02:39.960 --> 02:02:44.079
doesn't make any sense. None of it makes

02:02:41.880 --> 02:02:47.199
any sense. Then there's the symmetry

02:02:44.079 --> 02:02:49.199
involved in some of these statues. Like

02:02:47.199 --> 02:02:50.720
they're perfectly symmetrical in terms

02:02:49.199 --> 02:02:53.279
of the distance between the eyes, the

02:02:50.720 --> 02:02:54.960
nose, the lips. Most No one's face is

02:02:53.279 --> 02:02:56.519
symmetrical. Your your left side of your

02:02:54.960 --> 02:02:58.600
face is different. If you combine the

02:02:56.520 --> 02:03:00.440
two sides, they they look it looks

02:02:58.600 --> 02:03:02.600
weird. But when you look at these

02:03:00.439 --> 02:03:05.119
statues, these statues which are

02:03:02.600 --> 02:03:07.880
massive, carved out of granite again,

02:03:05.119 --> 02:03:09.359
supposedly before they had steel. Like

02:03:07.880 --> 02:03:11.279
they didn't have diamond-tipped

02:03:09.359 --> 02:03:13.479
instruments to do this. They polished

02:03:11.279 --> 02:03:15.679
them. They're perfectly symmetrical and

02:03:13.479 --> 02:03:17.279
massive. Some of them are a thousand

02:03:15.680 --> 02:03:18.560
tons. And they don't have any

02:03:17.279 --> 02:03:20.399
understanding of how these people built

02:03:18.560 --> 02:03:22.960
these things or put them there. And they

02:03:20.399 --> 02:03:25.719
all seem to be the biggest, most

02:03:22.960 --> 02:03:28.359
spectacular ones are the oldest.

02:03:25.720 --> 02:03:30.360
How could you not want to dig those up?

02:03:28.359 --> 02:03:32.079
Yeah, well they And look and look at

02:03:30.359 --> 02:03:34.479
them because I mean they're concerned

02:03:32.079 --> 02:03:37.119
about national pride but if you dig them

02:03:34.479 --> 02:03:38.959
up, I It's not just national pride. It's

02:03:37.119 --> 02:03:41.199
the pride of the people that have been

02:03:38.960 --> 02:03:42.880
espousing this one narrative for so

02:03:41.199 --> 02:03:44.599
long. That's part of the problem. The

02:03:42.880 --> 02:03:46.159
gatekeepers of the information.

02:03:44.600 --> 02:03:48.280
>> It's still national pride.

02:03:46.159 --> 02:03:50.079
>> It is but these people are idiots. That

02:03:48.279 --> 02:03:52.840
that's part of the problem. Like they

02:03:50.079 --> 02:03:55.880
their own ego is preventing them from

02:03:52.840 --> 02:03:57.520
being open-minded and calling out to the

02:03:55.880 --> 02:03:59.239
world's research communities and saying,

02:03:57.520 --> 02:04:01.960
"Listen, there's something going on

02:03:59.239 --> 02:04:04.000
here. We don't have the big picture. We

02:04:01.960 --> 02:04:05.840
have a picture that we have formed from

02:04:04.000 --> 02:04:07.560
a limited amount of information and

02:04:05.840 --> 02:04:09.920
we've been incredibly arrogant about

02:04:07.560 --> 02:04:12.400
what we're assuming. We also know that a

02:04:09.920 --> 02:04:15.279
lot of these pharaohs would carve their

02:04:12.399 --> 02:04:17.279
name and carve their hieroglyphs into

02:04:15.279 --> 02:04:19.960
existing things. They would claim

02:04:17.279 --> 02:04:22.359
existing things. Some of the carvings on

02:04:19.960 --> 02:04:23.640
these things are far cruder in the way

02:04:22.359 --> 02:04:25.359
they've done it than the actual

02:04:23.640 --> 02:04:27.640
construction of the thing. And they

02:04:25.359 --> 02:04:29.679
think that these are old things that

02:04:27.640 --> 02:04:32.400
were there already and then these later

02:04:29.680 --> 02:04:33.960
pharaohs Just wanted to attach his name.

02:04:32.399 --> 02:04:35.639
>> chiseled their hieroglyphs into these

02:04:33.960 --> 02:04:38.039
things.

02:04:35.640 --> 02:04:40.440
And another thing and this has been

02:04:38.039 --> 02:04:43.760
mentioned a lot is the fact that there's

02:04:40.439 --> 02:04:46.039
no tools that were ever discovered in

02:04:43.760 --> 02:04:47.640
those areas that would prove that those

02:04:46.039 --> 02:04:48.840
thing that those things were made with

02:04:47.640 --> 02:04:50.720
those and they have to use tools. They

02:04:48.840 --> 02:04:52.960
have to have something. So there's not

02:04:50.720 --> 02:04:54.840
even that. That's not even available. So

02:04:52.960 --> 02:04:57.439
it's like how did they do it? Did they

02:04:54.840 --> 02:04:59.279
hide the tools? Did they I mean why

02:04:57.439 --> 02:05:01.039
would they do that? It doesn't None of

02:04:59.279 --> 02:05:03.759
it makes any sense. And also these

02:05:01.039 --> 02:05:05.239
incredibly hard vases that you find,

02:05:03.760 --> 02:05:06.480
they're the oldest ones. They're the the

02:05:05.239 --> 02:05:08.639
things that they find in the oldest

02:05:06.479 --> 02:05:11.079
sites. It's like the most complicated,

02:05:08.640 --> 02:05:12.760
complex, confusing technology seems to

02:05:11.079 --> 02:05:14.840
be the oldest stuff.

02:05:12.760 --> 02:05:18.079
There's also like You had another guy

02:05:14.840 --> 02:05:19.840
here that that does a research on Peru

02:05:18.079 --> 02:05:22.600
and he was talk I can't remember his

02:05:19.840 --> 02:05:23.159
name. I got to meet him. Luke Caverns?

02:05:22.600 --> 02:05:24.720
Was it him?

02:05:23.159 --> 02:05:26.720
>> Yeah, he goes to Peru and he has a show

02:05:24.720 --> 02:05:28.159
about that about the the ancient stuff

02:05:26.720 --> 02:05:28.520
that they're finding underground in

02:05:28.159 --> 02:05:29.319
Peru.

02:05:28.520 --> 02:05:30.360
>> There's a couple guys. What was the

02:05:29.319 --> 02:05:31.840
other guy?

02:05:30.359 --> 02:05:33.039
He

02:05:31.840 --> 02:05:33.560
He's got black hair. I can't remember

02:05:33.039 --> 02:05:34.720
his name.

02:05:33.560 --> 02:05:35.600
>> That's Luke. The younger guy?

02:05:34.720 --> 02:05:38.520
>> Yeah, younger guy.

02:05:35.600 --> 02:05:40.160
>> Luke. So basically he was talking about

02:05:38.520 --> 02:05:42.640
the fact that there's two layers of

02:05:40.159 --> 02:05:45.800
ancient stuff in Peru. The first layer

02:05:42.640 --> 02:05:47.760
is younger and what's below it is what's

02:05:45.800 --> 02:05:49.400
really incredible and more complex.

02:05:47.760 --> 02:05:51.760
>> More complex but they don't want to go

02:05:49.399 --> 02:05:54.239
there because you're going to destroy an

02:05:51.760 --> 02:05:55.560
existing archaeological site that's on

02:05:54.239 --> 02:05:56.800
top of it.

02:05:55.560 --> 02:05:59.039
So what's happening is they're having

02:05:56.800 --> 02:06:01.239
trouble now getting permission to go to

02:05:59.039 --> 02:06:02.720
the lower level which is even better

02:06:01.239 --> 02:06:06.199
because they're they're going to have to

02:06:02.720 --> 02:06:07.800
break an archaeological site of a of a

02:06:06.199 --> 02:06:09.239
more recent

02:06:07.800 --> 02:06:12.000
part of that civilization.

02:06:09.239 --> 02:06:14.000
>> is a common theme among people. We build

02:06:12.000 --> 02:06:16.199
on older sites. There's a place that I

02:06:14.000 --> 02:06:18.640
go to in Italy in the Amalfi Coast and

02:06:16.199 --> 02:06:20.159
there's this incredible old

02:06:18.640 --> 02:06:22.600
church there that's over a thousand

02:06:20.159 --> 02:06:25.119
years old. But it's built on an even

02:06:22.600 --> 02:06:27.200
older church and there's a plexiglass

02:06:25.119 --> 02:06:29.159
floor that shows the old church.

02:06:27.199 --> 02:06:30.679
>> Yes. That the old church is underneath

02:06:29.159 --> 02:06:32.479
it and you can see the structure of this

02:06:30.680 --> 02:06:33.800
old church. And I was asking them, "How

02:06:32.479 --> 02:06:35.079
old is the old church?" They go, "We

02:06:33.800 --> 02:06:37.320
don't know."

02:06:35.079 --> 02:06:39.199
It's over a thousand years old. So it's

02:06:37.319 --> 02:06:41.439
over a thousand years old this church

02:06:39.199 --> 02:06:43.639
and then this really old church is on

02:06:41.439 --> 02:06:45.919
top of it that's like hundreds and

02:06:43.640 --> 02:06:47.720
hundreds of years old also. But they

02:06:45.920 --> 02:06:49.920
built it on top of an existing

02:06:47.720 --> 02:06:51.800
structure. So this is a common theme.

02:06:49.920 --> 02:06:54.840
This is a theme in Peru where you see

02:06:51.800 --> 02:06:57.199
the Inca construction which is like much

02:06:54.840 --> 02:06:59.960
less complicated, smaller stones, you

02:06:57.199 --> 02:07:01.679
know, mud mortar and it but it's on top

02:06:59.960 --> 02:07:04.199
of these megalithic structures that are

02:07:01.680 --> 02:07:06.360
carved in these jigsaw shapes where it

02:07:04.199 --> 02:07:09.279
seems like they're they've been melted.

02:07:06.359 --> 02:07:10.839
Yeah. It's freaky stuff. They have no

02:07:09.279 --> 02:07:12.759
understanding of what technology was

02:07:10.840 --> 02:07:15.319
used, who did it, how they did it, how

02:07:12.760 --> 02:07:17.800
they moved these immense thousand-ton

02:07:15.319 --> 02:07:19.960
stones and cut them with precision in

02:07:17.800 --> 02:07:22.199
this jigsaw way so that it will absorb

02:07:19.960 --> 02:07:23.560
the energy of earthquakes and not fall

02:07:22.199 --> 02:07:25.720
down.

02:07:23.560 --> 02:07:27.080
Yeah, that's crazy. I mean that's crazy.

02:07:25.720 --> 02:07:29.600
>> There's a lot of that stuff that's

02:07:27.079 --> 02:07:32.439
really, really freaky. And then you get

02:07:29.600 --> 02:07:34.480
into old religious texts and that's when

02:07:32.439 --> 02:07:36.519
things get really freaky. You get to

02:07:34.479 --> 02:07:38.279
things like the Book of Enoch that talk

02:07:36.520 --> 02:07:40.920
about the watchers who came down from

02:07:38.279 --> 02:07:44.159
the sky and created humans. A lot of

02:07:40.920 --> 02:07:46.920
unusual stuff happened a long time a

02:07:44.159 --> 02:07:49.800
long time ago. And we don't have a good

02:07:46.920 --> 02:07:51.560
record of it. We just have what we know

02:07:49.800 --> 02:07:53.560
and what we know we get very arrogant

02:07:51.560 --> 02:07:54.160
about. We know what happened 300 years

02:07:53.560 --> 02:07:56.360
ago.

02:07:54.159 --> 02:07:57.519
>> good point. Of what we know we get very

02:07:56.359 --> 02:07:59.359
arrogant about.

02:07:57.520 --> 02:08:01.360
>> it's also And anything else we don't.

02:07:59.359 --> 02:08:03.639
>> These academics

02:08:01.359 --> 02:08:05.839
and these people that are in charge of

02:08:03.640 --> 02:08:07.480
the narrative like the people in Egypt

02:08:05.840 --> 02:08:10.319
where they're very arrogant and they're

02:08:07.479 --> 02:08:12.000
gatekeepers cuz their whole identity is

02:08:10.319 --> 02:08:14.039
based on them being the ones that

02:08:12.000 --> 02:08:15.680
explained to the world how these

02:08:14.039 --> 02:08:17.600
incredible sites were produced. And if

02:08:15.680 --> 02:08:19.000
something comes along that is counter to

02:08:17.600 --> 02:08:21.079
that narrative

02:08:19.000 --> 02:08:23.000
they fight it. They fight it because it

02:08:21.079 --> 02:08:25.399
is their it's part of them. It's their

02:08:23.000 --> 02:08:27.319
identity. Yeah, when I spoke to Filippo

02:08:25.399 --> 02:08:29.279
Biondi, I talked to one of my cousins in

02:08:27.319 --> 02:08:31.159
Italy. I spent a lot of my time in Italy

02:08:29.279 --> 02:08:32.960
when I was younger. One of them, she was

02:08:31.159 --> 02:08:35.960
younger than I was when I was there but

02:08:32.960 --> 02:08:38.319
she's now become a respected archaeol

02:08:35.960 --> 02:08:41.880
archaeologist in Rome and she's an

02:08:38.319 --> 02:08:43.880
Egyptologist, okay? And I went out to

02:08:41.880 --> 02:08:45.640
Italy to visit family and I was sitting

02:08:43.880 --> 02:08:47.680
at the table. This is not even that long

02:08:45.640 --> 02:08:49.800
ago. And she's sitting next to me and I

02:08:47.680 --> 02:08:52.680
mean I remember her from from being a

02:08:49.800 --> 02:08:54.920
kid. And she nudged me at the table.

02:08:52.680 --> 02:08:57.039
There's her family's all academic.

02:08:54.920 --> 02:08:58.880
Everybody's a doctor or scientist or

02:08:57.039 --> 02:09:02.279
something like that. So, there's always

02:08:58.880 --> 02:09:04.600
that pride of the science and she nudges

02:09:02.279 --> 02:09:06.880
me and in Italian she says, "I'm really

02:09:04.600 --> 02:09:08.680
interested in what what you do, what

02:09:06.880 --> 02:09:12.000
you're looking into." And I knew what

02:09:08.680 --> 02:09:14.920
she meant. It was about UFOs. And I just

02:09:12.000 --> 02:09:18.520
responded, "I'm I'm even more interested

02:09:14.920 --> 02:09:19.920
in what you know about what's out there

02:09:18.520 --> 02:09:21.920
in Egypt."

02:09:19.920 --> 02:09:24.680
And she looked at me

02:09:21.920 --> 02:09:27.359
and she says, "We don't really know

02:09:24.680 --> 02:09:29.800
all of it, some a lot of she said a lot

02:09:27.359 --> 02:09:32.239
of it makes no sense."

02:09:29.800 --> 02:09:34.640
But she said it whispering because she

02:09:32.239 --> 02:09:37.159
knew that that's not well seen at the

02:09:34.640 --> 02:09:39.119
table cuz now she's going to come across

02:09:37.159 --> 02:09:41.199
as this pseudo-science type of like, "Oh

02:09:39.119 --> 02:09:43.279
my god, she's going to come out of the

02:09:41.199 --> 02:09:46.840
the the mainstream,

02:09:43.279 --> 02:09:49.479
you know." So, and then she she came she

02:09:46.840 --> 02:09:51.039
went to her place and I was still there.

02:09:49.479 --> 02:09:53.479
We were there for a couple of days. She

02:09:51.039 --> 02:09:55.439
came and gave me a little book

02:09:53.479 --> 02:09:57.439
and

02:09:55.439 --> 02:10:01.519
it in Italian, I don't know how to say

02:09:57.439 --> 02:10:03.159
it. Il van the the the missing I don't

02:10:01.520 --> 02:10:05.200
know how to say it in English, but

02:10:03.159 --> 02:10:08.079
the missing evangelio, like the missing

02:10:05.199 --> 02:10:10.439
scriptures, basically. It's a little

02:10:08.079 --> 02:10:12.720
book in Italian about the missing

02:10:10.439 --> 02:10:14.519
scriptures that are not in the Bible

02:10:12.720 --> 02:10:16.159
that speak of things that are not

02:10:14.520 --> 02:10:17.800
convenient

02:10:16.159 --> 02:10:20.319
for what we

02:10:17.800 --> 02:10:21.440
are arrogant to think we understand. And

02:10:20.319 --> 02:10:23.439
one of the fascinating things about

02:10:21.439 --> 02:10:26.119
these missing scriptures is they found

02:10:23.439 --> 02:10:27.799
them alongside existing scriptures. So,

02:10:26.119 --> 02:10:30.319
when they found the Dead Sea Scrolls in

02:10:27.800 --> 02:10:31.880
Qumran, so they found these in a cave in

02:10:30.319 --> 02:10:34.119
Qumran. And it was it's kind of a crazy

02:10:31.880 --> 02:10:36.000
thing like someone threw a rock and hit

02:10:34.119 --> 02:10:37.840
a clay pot and heard the shattering of a

02:10:36.000 --> 02:10:39.520
clay pot. So, they threw a rock into

02:10:37.840 --> 02:10:41.720
this high

02:10:39.520 --> 02:10:43.000
cave and

02:10:41.720 --> 02:10:44.360
realized there was something in there

02:10:43.000 --> 02:10:45.760
and then they started looking and then

02:10:44.359 --> 02:10:47.839
they found these scrolls that were in

02:10:45.760 --> 02:10:49.760
these clay pots. Inside the scrolls they

02:10:47.840 --> 02:10:53.119
found the Book of Isaiah.

02:10:49.760 --> 02:10:54.920
It was a thousand years older than the

02:10:53.119 --> 02:10:57.680
oldest version of the Book of Isaiah

02:10:54.920 --> 02:11:01.079
that we had ever found and

02:10:57.680 --> 02:11:03.360
it's identical verbatim to the Book of

02:11:01.079 --> 02:11:06.279
Isaiah that is currently in the Bible.

02:11:03.359 --> 02:11:08.880
Along with it is the Book of Enoch and

02:11:06.279 --> 02:11:11.479
the Book of Enoch is squirrely.

02:11:08.880 --> 02:11:13.840
>> Yeah. That Book of Enoch is squirrely.

02:11:11.479 --> 02:11:16.559
That's a good way to describe it. Just a

02:11:13.840 --> 02:11:18.520
few rabbis decided that the Book of

02:11:16.560 --> 02:11:20.160
Enoch was too weird cuz it didn't jive

02:11:18.520 --> 02:11:22.840
with the Torah, so they left it out of

02:11:20.159 --> 02:11:24.079
the biblical canon. That's why it's not

02:11:22.840 --> 02:11:25.360
taught.

02:11:24.079 --> 02:11:26.720
But the Book of Enoch is readily

02:11:25.359 --> 02:11:29.279
available. You can read it and it's also

02:11:26.720 --> 02:11:30.640
in the Ethiopian Bible. The Ethiopian

02:11:29.279 --> 02:11:31.880
Bible includes the Book of Enoch.

02:11:30.640 --> 02:11:34.640
>> Really? Yes, and those are the people

02:11:31.880 --> 02:11:35.400
that supposedly are in possession of the

02:11:34.640 --> 02:11:37.720
Ark of the Covenant.

02:11:35.399 --> 02:11:39.159
>> the Covenant, yeah. Which is like

02:11:37.720 --> 02:11:41.920
Graham Hancock talks about it. There's

02:11:39.159 --> 02:11:43.920
like a person is set to like they have a

02:11:41.920 --> 02:11:45.399
job of watching the Ark of the Covenant,

02:11:43.920 --> 02:11:47.159
but it's known that it's going to kill

02:11:45.399 --> 02:11:48.799
them, so they all get cataracts and

02:11:47.159 --> 02:11:49.599
cancer and they all want to die.

02:11:48.800 --> 02:11:50.880
>> things, yeah, that's right.

02:11:49.600 --> 02:11:52.680
>> Well, it has some sort of radiation

02:11:50.880 --> 02:11:54.680
apparently and they they exhibit signs

02:11:52.680 --> 02:11:56.440
of radiation poisoning when these people

02:11:54.680 --> 02:11:57.640
are designed to be the curators.

02:11:56.439 --> 02:11:58.439
>> Where is the Ark of the Covenant

02:11:57.640 --> 02:12:00.680
supposed to be?

02:11:58.439 --> 02:12:02.359
>> supposedly in Ethiopia. So, you guys

02:12:00.680 --> 02:12:03.880
think that's

02:12:02.359 --> 02:12:05.559
I mean, I'm very

02:12:03.880 --> 02:12:06.960
>> it's ancient technology. I think it's

02:12:05.560 --> 02:12:09.920
probably ancient technology. It's

02:12:06.960 --> 02:12:12.840
probably some completely

02:12:09.920 --> 02:12:14.480
not understood ancient technology. I'm

02:12:12.840 --> 02:12:15.159
I'm not discounting it. I'm just I'm

02:12:14.479 --> 02:12:15.879
just wondering.

02:12:15.159 --> 02:12:17.119
>> Well, I like the fact that you're

02:12:15.880 --> 02:12:18.690
skeptical even though you have the

02:12:17.119 --> 02:12:19.439
craziest story of all time.

02:12:18.690 --> 02:12:20.119
>> [laughter]

02:12:19.439 --> 02:12:22.000
>> But it's

02:12:20.119 --> 02:12:23.760
it's speaks to your integrity. It really

02:12:22.000 --> 02:12:26.159
does because you're not a guy who

02:12:23.760 --> 02:12:27.480
believes cookie So, for you, a guy

02:12:26.159 --> 02:12:29.359
who doesn't believe cookie is a

02:12:27.479 --> 02:12:31.399
hard rational scientist who is an

02:12:29.359 --> 02:12:33.159
engineer who's done things like put a

02:12:31.399 --> 02:12:36.039
rocket engine in the back of a

02:12:33.159 --> 02:12:38.559
Honda and then or a hydrogen powered

02:12:36.039 --> 02:12:40.399
Corvette and then you go and see these

02:12:38.560 --> 02:12:42.440
things you're like, "Wait, what what the

02:12:40.399 --> 02:12:43.199
is this thing you have in this

02:12:42.439 --> 02:12:44.079
hangar?"

02:12:43.199 --> 02:12:45.000
>> technology.

02:12:44.079 --> 02:12:47.720
>> Right.

02:12:45.000 --> 02:12:49.800
Nothing else. Right. So, I mean, to hear

02:12:47.720 --> 02:12:51.520
something like that, it's Do you think

02:12:49.800 --> 02:12:53.520
that that

02:12:51.520 --> 02:12:55.760
that actually exists?

02:12:53.520 --> 02:12:57.600
I don't know. Um Graham Hancock is

02:12:55.760 --> 02:12:58.720
convinced it exists. It's very carefully

02:12:57.600 --> 02:12:59.760
guarded and these people have been

02:12:58.720 --> 02:13:01.159
guarding it for centuries.

02:12:59.760 --> 02:13:03.159
>> it's just it's throughout history,

02:13:01.159 --> 02:13:05.159
right? So, I mean, there's too many

02:13:03.159 --> 02:13:07.439
missing pieces of the puzzle to really

02:13:05.159 --> 02:13:08.760
say one way or another. I don't think

02:13:07.439 --> 02:13:11.399
there's a right

02:13:08.760 --> 02:13:13.560
>> mythology or an actual

02:13:11.399 --> 02:13:15.000
>> Right. But it is weird that he's talked

02:13:13.560 --> 02:13:16.560
to these people. They have these

02:13:15.000 --> 02:13:18.279
cataracts and these people all say the

02:13:16.560 --> 02:13:20.840
same thing. They die. The people that

02:13:18.279 --> 02:13:22.960
are designed or that are designated to

02:13:20.840 --> 02:13:24.000
be the curators of this

02:13:22.960 --> 02:13:26.399
particular religious

02:13:24.000 --> 02:13:28.760
>> I relate this back to the I think I told

02:13:26.399 --> 02:13:31.639
you the first time we met, you know, if

02:13:28.760 --> 02:13:33.400
somebody found a nuclear reactor Right.

02:13:31.640 --> 02:13:36.600
back at that time, you know, and they

02:13:33.399 --> 02:13:37.279
took it apart they just would drop dead.

02:13:36.600 --> 02:13:39.720
Right.

02:13:37.279 --> 02:13:41.479
>> the radiation. Yeah, magically from

02:13:39.720 --> 02:13:43.400
that. And anybody that came in to check

02:13:41.479 --> 02:13:44.719
on them would also die and they go,

02:13:43.399 --> 02:13:46.519
"This is evil

02:13:44.720 --> 02:13:48.400
evil. It's cursed or whatever."

02:13:46.520 --> 02:13:51.120
>> Or and something that you're not

02:13:48.399 --> 02:13:52.439
supposed to have access to because it's

02:13:51.119 --> 02:13:55.199
divine.

02:13:52.439 --> 02:13:59.079
>> Yeah, right. Could this be something at

02:13:55.199 --> 02:14:01.319
another level? Yes. That I have to say

02:13:59.079 --> 02:14:03.800
and I I mean, I'm no one to say it, but

02:14:01.319 --> 02:14:06.719
I struggle with divine stuff because I'm

02:14:03.800 --> 02:14:09.360
like it this this craft or this

02:14:06.720 --> 02:14:12.199
technology I mean, our phones to

02:14:09.359 --> 02:14:14.920
somebody a thousand years ago would look

02:14:12.199 --> 02:14:17.800
like some divine object. I mean, it it's

02:14:14.920 --> 02:14:19.920
technology to us. So, we have to be very

02:14:17.800 --> 02:14:21.920
cautious in like I I'm not saying there

02:14:19.920 --> 02:14:24.720
is no divine something. Maybe there is,

02:14:21.920 --> 02:14:27.680
we don't know, but I think technology

02:14:24.720 --> 02:14:28.600
really could mask itself as divine power

02:14:27.680 --> 02:14:29.840
or

02:14:28.600 --> 02:14:33.880
or

02:14:29.840 --> 02:14:36.520
divine energy itself could be technology

02:14:33.880 --> 02:14:38.560
taken to its final form.

02:14:36.520 --> 02:14:40.240
That's that I'm open to. Well, if you

02:14:38.560 --> 02:14:42.800
think about what we're talking about

02:14:40.239 --> 02:14:44.439
with sentient AI, an AI that has the

02:14:42.800 --> 02:14:47.600
ability to make better versions of

02:14:44.439 --> 02:14:49.799
itself, what happens if it's left alone

02:14:47.600 --> 02:14:51.120
Yeah. for a thousand years to do this?

02:14:49.800 --> 02:14:52.640
Well, what do you have? You have

02:14:51.119 --> 02:14:54.439
something that can harness the power of

02:14:52.640 --> 02:14:55.600
the universe itself.

02:14:54.439 --> 02:14:57.799
It has access

02:14:55.600 --> 02:14:59.840
zero point energy, can do whatever I

02:14:57.800 --> 02:15:01.920
mean, has a complete understanding of

02:14:59.840 --> 02:15:03.560
quantum quantum entanglement, complete

02:15:01.920 --> 02:15:05.840
understanding of how the universe

02:15:03.560 --> 02:15:07.160
functions, how it was created. I mean,

02:15:05.840 --> 02:15:09.079
there's new theories that believe that

02:15:07.159 --> 02:15:10.920
the entire universe itself exists inside

02:15:09.079 --> 02:15:12.079
of a black hole. They're trying to

02:15:10.920 --> 02:15:13.760
figure out whether or not there were

02:15:12.079 --> 02:15:16.119
ever was a big bang or if it's a

02:15:13.760 --> 02:15:18.800
continuous cycle of things existing

02:15:16.119 --> 02:15:20.479
inside black holes. So, where where

02:15:18.800 --> 02:15:22.680
where do you think we are? What do you

02:15:20.479 --> 02:15:24.679
think this is? I think it's a process. I

02:15:22.680 --> 02:15:27.159
think we're we're at a stage of a

02:15:24.680 --> 02:15:29.480
process. Our problem is we have

02:15:27.159 --> 02:15:32.239
ideology, we have

02:15:29.479 --> 02:15:34.159
we have dogma, we have ego, we have

02:15:32.239 --> 02:15:36.319
people that are smarter than most

02:15:34.159 --> 02:15:37.840
people, but want to think that they have

02:15:36.319 --> 02:15:39.439
all the information and I don't think

02:15:37.840 --> 02:15:40.600
they do. And then we have open-minded

02:15:39.439 --> 02:15:42.279
people that are curious, but don't want

02:15:40.600 --> 02:15:43.720
to look like kooks and they're all

02:15:42.279 --> 02:15:46.479
trying to figure it out while we're

02:15:43.720 --> 02:15:48.480
making a digital god while these

02:15:46.479 --> 02:15:50.719
weirdo on the spectrum eggheads

02:15:48.479 --> 02:15:51.568
>> are literally manufacturing our own god.

02:15:50.720 --> 02:15:51.920
>> Right. Right.

02:15:51.569 --> 02:15:54.800
>> [laughter]

02:15:51.920 --> 02:15:56.840
>> We are. We are. If that and you you

02:15:54.800 --> 02:15:58.520
extrapolate, you go from where it is

02:15:56.840 --> 02:16:00.119
now, you think about the exponential

02:15:58.520 --> 02:16:03.080
increase of technology. Well, where does

02:16:00.119 --> 02:16:05.880
that go? It kind of goes divine. I mean,

02:16:03.079 --> 02:16:08.399
that might be what God is. We want to

02:16:05.880 --> 02:16:10.800
think that God is a thing that exists.

02:16:08.399 --> 02:16:13.199
It just exists, it created everything.

02:16:10.800 --> 02:16:15.480
Maybe we make God.

02:16:13.199 --> 02:16:18.359
>> yeah. Yeah. All right, we're on the same

02:16:15.479 --> 02:16:20.719
channel, yeah. I I think we created we I

02:16:18.359 --> 02:16:23.519
think we created God. I think human

02:16:20.720 --> 02:16:26.079
curiosity and the this thirst for

02:16:23.520 --> 02:16:28.360
innovation is all a part of it.

02:16:26.079 --> 02:16:30.519
I'll say something about the technology

02:16:28.359 --> 02:16:32.000
cuz it always fascinates me. I mean, I

02:16:30.520 --> 02:16:34.239
spent four years with Bob and I had to

02:16:32.000 --> 02:16:36.000
build it in a virtual environment, so I

02:16:34.239 --> 02:16:38.799
kind of had to think about it while I'm

02:16:36.000 --> 02:16:42.159
doing it, but if you really think about

02:16:38.799 --> 02:16:44.439
what this technology that you saw does

02:16:42.159 --> 02:16:46.319
it essentially creates this artificial

02:16:44.440 --> 02:16:47.960
field of whether it's artificial maybe

02:16:46.319 --> 02:16:49.519
it's natural. Maybe it's a natural

02:16:47.959 --> 02:16:52.479
field, but it creates a field that we're

02:16:49.519 --> 02:16:54.559
not familiar with and that field I mean,

02:16:52.479 --> 02:16:57.119
Joe, you saw the movie there was a test

02:16:54.558 --> 02:16:59.359
that was done in the lab that froze a

02:16:57.120 --> 02:17:01.719
candle flame. Right, right.

02:16:59.360 --> 02:17:05.480
But the but the photons are still

02:17:01.718 --> 02:17:07.239
visible within our realm here outside of

02:17:05.479 --> 02:17:10.558
the field and you're still seeing the

02:17:07.239 --> 02:17:16.079
photons, yet it looks like it's frozen.

02:17:10.558 --> 02:17:18.679
To me is the is this is that technology

02:17:16.079 --> 02:17:20.959
like a black hole? Is it some type of

02:17:18.679 --> 02:17:23.799
time stop?

02:17:20.959 --> 02:17:27.759
And they and it it basically gives us

02:17:23.799 --> 02:17:30.239
the power to utilize time in our

02:17:27.760 --> 02:17:32.559
advantage. If you think about

02:17:30.239 --> 02:17:35.199
progression in technology, anything we

02:17:32.558 --> 02:17:37.159
do, it takes time. Anything takes time.

02:17:35.200 --> 02:17:39.120
Whether it's computing power where now

02:17:37.159 --> 02:17:41.319
we're seeing quantum computers do things

02:17:39.120 --> 02:17:43.559
that they're faster and faster and they

02:17:41.319 --> 02:17:45.558
could do a trillion processes in an

02:17:43.558 --> 02:17:47.638
instant and Japan is going coming up

02:17:45.558 --> 02:17:49.439
with better and then China.

02:17:47.638 --> 02:17:52.319
But because everything has to do with

02:17:49.440 --> 02:17:56.960
how long does it take to do that? Right.

02:17:52.319 --> 02:17:58.599
If a technology can make you bypass time

02:17:56.959 --> 02:18:01.399
it's like the record player playing

02:17:58.599 --> 02:18:03.679
music, but you're you're now able to

02:18:01.399 --> 02:18:06.039
lift it lift the little pin on the

02:18:03.679 --> 02:18:07.760
record and move it to wherever you want.

02:18:06.040 --> 02:18:10.599
>> Yes. That's a good way to describe it.

02:18:07.760 --> 02:18:12.239
>> Right? And now at that point time is in

02:18:10.599 --> 02:18:14.920
your hands.

02:18:12.239 --> 02:18:17.399
And if we have a technology similar to

02:18:14.920 --> 02:18:20.479
what you saw because you always said

02:18:17.399 --> 02:18:22.799
gravity is a control gravity and time.

02:18:20.479 --> 02:18:24.000
>> yeah. It it's interlocked, right?

02:18:22.799 --> 02:18:27.039
>> and time are interlocked.

02:18:24.000 --> 02:18:30.000
>> Exactly. So, if that's interlocked, then

02:18:27.040 --> 02:18:32.519
we have to look at it not just as a

02:18:30.000 --> 02:18:33.718
propulsion system or some type of cool

02:18:32.519 --> 02:18:36.399
weapon

02:18:33.718 --> 02:18:39.000
but how is it affecting time and how can

02:18:36.399 --> 02:18:41.599
we use that to our benefit to evolve

02:18:39.000 --> 02:18:45.319
sorry, to evolve faster?

02:18:41.599 --> 02:18:47.679
Because again the faster we can compute,

02:18:45.319 --> 02:18:50.799
the faster we could do something, the

02:18:47.679 --> 02:18:53.079
faster we're evolving. And if we could

02:18:50.799 --> 02:18:55.759
lift that needle and bring it faster to

02:18:53.079 --> 02:18:57.760
get there to get somewhere, why not use

02:18:55.760 --> 02:19:00.200
it? Or should I mean should we be

02:18:57.760 --> 02:19:00.800
allowed to do that? Austin our current

02:19:00.200 --> 02:19:02.831
form.

02:19:00.799 --> 02:19:03.159
>> Yeah, I know. I

02:19:02.831 --> 02:19:06.479
>> [laughter]

02:19:03.159 --> 02:19:08.079
>> Like I said, I'm I'm not exactly on our

02:19:06.479 --> 02:19:09.760
side anymore.

02:19:08.079 --> 02:19:11.879
Well, that was one of the

02:19:09.760 --> 02:19:14.079
Do you remember Jamie who discussed the

02:19:11.879 --> 02:19:16.479
way they were describing the use of some

02:19:14.079 --> 02:19:18.039
of this alien technology as

02:19:16.479 --> 02:19:21.079
instantaneous

02:19:18.040 --> 02:19:22.719
weapon deployment systems? I I'm not

02:19:21.079 --> 02:19:23.200
sure we should be trusted with this

02:19:22.718 --> 02:19:26.279
stuff.

02:19:23.200 --> 02:19:28.280
>> Right. No, really. Well, you think about

02:19:26.280 --> 02:19:30.679
what we're doing in Iran right now, you

02:19:28.280 --> 02:19:32.400
would say no. Yeah. Yeah, I would I

02:19:30.679 --> 02:19:34.638
would say no for sure.

02:19:32.399 --> 02:19:35.359
>> over patches of dirt and bombing the

02:19:34.638 --> 02:19:37.839
out of

02:19:35.360 --> 02:19:41.599
>> No, imagine if we had something a a a

02:19:37.840 --> 02:19:44.840
million times that power. Um

02:19:41.599 --> 02:19:46.639
Really, humans should not

02:19:44.840 --> 02:19:48.280
be trusted with that.

02:19:46.638 --> 02:19:50.839
>> Right, we got to trust it to AI. That's

02:19:48.280 --> 02:19:52.000
why we're making it, Bob.

02:19:50.840 --> 02:19:54.799
This is [laughter] This is getting

02:19:52.000 --> 02:19:56.319
scary. Yeah, it is getting scary. It is.

02:19:54.799 --> 02:19:56.719
But it's it's not science fiction

02:19:56.319 --> 02:19:59.039
anymore.

02:19:56.719 --> 02:20:01.279
>> no no it's not I mean we're making fun

02:19:59.040 --> 02:20:03.600
of it now, but no this is this is

02:20:01.280 --> 02:20:05.480
dangerous stuff and I'm

02:20:03.600 --> 02:20:07.520
you know, I'm sorry for the people who

02:20:05.479 --> 02:20:10.479
think this is all a joke. It's not. This

02:20:07.520 --> 02:20:12.280
is real. And um

02:20:10.479 --> 02:20:14.600
I'm really not sure we should be trusted

02:20:12.280 --> 02:20:17.040
with this. That's maybe why for 40 years

02:20:14.600 --> 02:20:17.800
or 60 years people have agreed to keep

02:20:17.040 --> 02:20:18.320
it quiet.

02:20:17.799 --> 02:20:20.439
>> I would agree.

02:20:18.319 --> 02:20:21.600
>> And and um

02:20:20.440 --> 02:20:22.159
Well, that's the most logical

02:20:21.600 --> 02:20:23.880
conclusion.

02:20:22.159 --> 02:20:26.479
>> Yeah, this is incredibly dangerous

02:20:23.879 --> 02:20:30.000
stuff. And again, it's a world

02:20:26.479 --> 02:20:31.879
dominating technology. And I I don't

02:20:30.000 --> 02:20:34.159
know what to do with it other than to

02:20:31.879 --> 02:20:35.199
keep it from people.

02:20:34.159 --> 02:20:37.959
So,

02:20:35.200 --> 02:20:40.800
and how do we know if it comes out

02:20:37.959 --> 02:20:42.799
something I always struggle with is

02:20:40.799 --> 02:20:43.559
let's say they they let's say we do get

02:20:42.799 --> 02:20:45.759
an a

02:20:43.559 --> 02:20:47.760
some some type of thing saying, all

02:20:45.760 --> 02:20:48.920
right, we we have to see it from

02:20:47.760 --> 02:20:51.239
somebody in the government, the

02:20:48.920 --> 02:20:53.799
president, whoever that says, okay, here

02:20:51.239 --> 02:20:55.639
we are, we have this. Well, first of

02:20:53.799 --> 02:20:57.039
all, we have to validate it. The

02:20:55.639 --> 02:20:58.319
journalists are going to The whole world

02:20:57.040 --> 02:20:59.920
Nobody's going to say The media is not

02:20:58.319 --> 02:21:01.039
going to just trust somebody saying

02:20:59.920 --> 02:21:02.120
that. They're going to go, okay, wait a

02:21:01.040 --> 02:21:03.960
minute. What are you talking about,

02:21:02.120 --> 02:21:05.640
right? So, it's not like because

02:21:03.959 --> 02:21:07.799
somebody says it, we just have to

02:21:05.639 --> 02:21:10.559
swallow it. It's like, all right,

02:21:07.799 --> 02:21:12.639
go. Show us, right? And then when you do

02:21:10.559 --> 02:21:15.039
that, well, now you're exposing

02:21:12.639 --> 02:21:18.680
something else. What do we What What

02:21:15.040 --> 02:21:22.040
happens when we need to believe it? Like

02:21:18.680 --> 02:21:24.280
as as a as a as people, what do what has

02:21:22.040 --> 02:21:26.200
to happen for me to believe something

02:21:24.280 --> 02:21:28.159
that somebody says?

02:21:26.200 --> 02:21:30.320
There really has to be something serious

02:21:28.159 --> 02:21:31.799
that makes me believe it. Right.

02:21:30.319 --> 02:21:33.760
>> You know what I mean? Like some if a

02:21:31.799 --> 02:21:35.279
president or anybody, prime minister,

02:21:33.760 --> 02:21:38.360
whoever it is says something to me, I'll

02:21:35.280 --> 02:21:38.920
still go like, okay. I mean, show me.

02:21:38.360 --> 02:21:41.480
Right.

02:21:38.920 --> 02:21:44.600
>> they when they show it, how do I know

02:21:41.479 --> 02:21:46.639
that's actually that?

02:21:44.600 --> 02:21:49.360
Think about that. Yeah. Right? And then

02:21:46.639 --> 02:21:52.399
from there, we now have to go to another

02:21:49.360 --> 02:21:54.120
level of okay, well, if we have to prove

02:21:52.399 --> 02:21:55.399
it, we have to bring in scientific

02:21:54.120 --> 02:21:58.600
community.

02:21:55.399 --> 02:22:00.879
Okay. That means they have access to it.

02:21:58.600 --> 02:22:01.920
What's the security parameters there?

02:22:00.879 --> 02:22:03.519
Right. And then you get

02:22:01.920 --> 02:22:05.639
compartmentalization.

02:22:03.520 --> 02:22:07.560
Right. And then that stops any sort of

02:22:05.639 --> 02:22:10.239
an understanding of And that's why you

02:22:07.559 --> 02:22:12.479
have this stigma this stick this

02:22:10.239 --> 02:22:14.319
stagnation of where you've got these

02:22:12.479 --> 02:22:16.079
people working on this thing for decades

02:22:14.319 --> 02:22:18.039
and not making any progress. Do you know

02:22:16.079 --> 02:22:20.559
how far we could have gotten if there

02:22:18.040 --> 02:22:23.040
was free discussion between all the

02:22:20.559 --> 02:22:24.760
groups working on this? Right. Yeah. But

02:22:23.040 --> 02:22:26.560
then you also have these psychos

02:22:24.760 --> 02:22:28.559
like from Dr. Strangelove that want to

02:22:26.559 --> 02:22:30.159
turn it into a nuclear delivery system.

02:22:28.559 --> 02:22:31.760
Yeah.

02:22:30.159 --> 02:22:33.559
So, where you don't have to worry about

02:22:31.760 --> 02:22:36.079
them detecting nuclear bombs headed

02:22:33.559 --> 02:22:40.039
their way, you just instantaneously

02:22:36.079 --> 02:22:42.079
devastate Moscow in one shot.

02:22:40.040 --> 02:22:43.920
You don't have to take credit for it.

02:22:42.079 --> 02:22:44.879
Yeah, but we'd

02:22:43.920 --> 02:22:47.399
Right. [laughter]

02:22:44.879 --> 02:22:49.399
No, it's like we are not ready. Right.

02:22:47.399 --> 02:22:51.440
Yeah, and I know we're not ready, but

02:22:49.399 --> 02:22:53.959
we'd be more advanced if we did that.

02:22:51.440 --> 02:22:56.159
No, I I mean I I agree that I agree with

02:22:53.959 --> 02:22:58.319
that. But um

02:22:56.159 --> 02:23:00.119
It's all very strange and no one knows

02:22:58.319 --> 02:23:02.159
more strange than you.

02:23:00.120 --> 02:23:04.640
Uh like No, there are plenty of people

02:23:02.159 --> 02:23:06.719
that know more strange than me. I mean,

02:23:04.639 --> 02:23:09.519
Dennis knew more strange than me.

02:23:06.719 --> 02:23:10.639
Anybody above him knew that. I just knew

02:23:09.520 --> 02:23:12.680
a small part of it.

02:23:10.639 --> 02:23:14.399
>> But you out of all the people that can

02:23:12.680 --> 02:23:16.559
talk about it that are out there

02:23:14.399 --> 02:23:18.159
communicating about it, you have

02:23:16.559 --> 02:23:21.039
actually seen it physically.

02:23:18.159 --> 02:23:23.440
>> Yeah, I I I try to only talk about what

02:23:21.040 --> 02:23:25.920
I I've seen and touched and verified.

02:23:23.440 --> 02:23:27.440
I've heard plenty of other stuff that I

02:23:25.920 --> 02:23:29.440
don't know if it's true or not. And

02:23:27.440 --> 02:23:31.520
there's no sense in repeating that.

02:23:29.440 --> 02:23:32.280
Because nonsense moves at the speed of

02:23:31.520 --> 02:23:35.319
light these days.

02:23:32.280 --> 02:23:37.840
>> Right. Yeah. It does. And that's that's

02:23:35.319 --> 02:23:40.959
just it's terrible. You live in a weird

02:23:37.840 --> 02:23:42.639
existence, Bob. You really do. Because

02:23:40.959 --> 02:23:45.239
you're you know, you've been holding on

02:23:42.639 --> 02:23:48.519
to this. You have this experience from

02:23:45.239 --> 02:23:50.280
40 years ago that's just

02:23:48.520 --> 02:23:52.920
become a part of

02:23:50.280 --> 02:23:55.680
folklore. It's become a part of the

02:23:52.920 --> 02:23:57.360
zeitgeist. Like this is why your podcast

02:23:55.680 --> 02:23:59.559
that we did is the most watched podcast

02:23:57.360 --> 02:24:01.400
I've ever done. This resonates with

02:23:59.559 --> 02:24:04.399
people in a way that Look, I've done a

02:24:01.399 --> 02:24:05.600
lot of UFO ones. I had Travis Walton on.

02:24:04.399 --> 02:24:07.239
I've had a lot of people that have

02:24:05.600 --> 02:24:08.479
stories. They're all very interesting.

02:24:07.239 --> 02:24:10.600
They don't get nearly the amount of

02:24:08.479 --> 02:24:13.079
traction that yours does. And I think

02:24:10.600 --> 02:24:14.920
it's because you're uniquely credible.

02:24:13.079 --> 02:24:16.600
You're uniquely credible in the fact

02:24:14.920 --> 02:24:18.960
that you are very skeptical. You're not

02:24:16.600 --> 02:24:20.760
interested in like these fantastic

02:24:18.959 --> 02:24:24.479
ideas. You're you're very dismissive of

02:24:20.760 --> 02:24:26.920
nonsense. But yet you have this burden.

02:24:24.479 --> 02:24:29.119
Like you actually

02:24:26.920 --> 02:24:30.440
physically touched these things

02:24:29.120 --> 02:24:32.040
and went inside of them.

02:24:30.440 --> 02:24:34.440
>> I mean, I was fortunate enough to have

02:24:32.040 --> 02:24:36.480
this really unique job. That that's

02:24:34.440 --> 02:24:37.840
about it. And I am fascinated with the

02:24:36.479 --> 02:24:39.879
technology.

02:24:37.840 --> 02:24:41.639
But that's where it stops.

02:24:39.879 --> 02:24:44.599
I'm not interested interested in anybody

02:24:41.639 --> 02:24:47.680
else's story, although everybody has to

02:24:44.600 --> 02:24:49.239
email me and you know, I I understand

02:24:47.680 --> 02:24:51.120
it, you know, they're looking for

02:24:49.239 --> 02:24:52.600
somebody Hey, I saw this thing out when

02:24:51.120 --> 02:24:53.920
I was out on my boat and then you know,

02:24:52.600 --> 02:24:55.880
what is it?

02:24:53.920 --> 02:24:57.960
I don't know. You know, I mean, they're

02:24:55.879 --> 02:24:59.439
[laughter] they're they're they're

02:24:57.959 --> 02:25:01.079
they're just looking for something and

02:24:59.440 --> 02:25:02.960
that's like I don't know, maybe it was

02:25:01.079 --> 02:25:04.920
Venus or something and

02:25:02.959 --> 02:25:05.959
Oh my god, you suck, you know, you work

02:25:04.920 --> 02:25:08.159
for the government, you [laughter] know,

02:25:05.959 --> 02:25:12.519
and it's like Dude, I'm just looking for

02:25:08.159 --> 02:25:14.639
a prosaic explanation and and um

02:25:12.520 --> 02:25:17.239
you know, but I only know what I saw and

02:25:14.639 --> 02:25:19.119
I touched for myself. And everything

02:25:17.239 --> 02:25:22.039
else, even in official government

02:25:19.120 --> 02:25:23.800
documentation, it's just words on paper.

02:25:22.040 --> 02:25:26.520
I don't know if that stuff is true. So,

02:25:23.799 --> 02:25:29.479
you got to draw the line there. Yes. But

02:25:26.520 --> 02:25:34.040
um you know, I know what I what I did

02:25:29.479 --> 02:25:37.000
see, I know for a fact. And there is no

02:25:34.040 --> 02:25:39.240
way you can tell me that that's not

02:25:37.000 --> 02:25:43.600
real.

02:25:39.239 --> 02:25:46.159
Yeah. I I mean, I I have to say in

02:25:43.600 --> 02:25:48.520
having worked with him and having you

02:25:46.159 --> 02:25:50.639
know, inadvertently, there's no way that

02:25:48.520 --> 02:25:52.640
myself or people on my team weren't

02:25:50.639 --> 02:25:53.879
trying to dig deeper and find Maybe

02:25:52.639 --> 02:25:55.639
there's a prob- Maybe there's going to

02:25:53.879 --> 02:25:58.039
be a gap. Maybe we'll find something

02:25:55.639 --> 02:26:00.879
wrong with the story. Cuz we we went we

02:25:58.040 --> 02:26:02.920
went very deep. We had to build S4. We

02:26:00.879 --> 02:26:04.359
had to build the sport model.

02:26:02.920 --> 02:26:07.040
And

02:26:04.360 --> 02:26:09.360
there were things that happened over the

02:26:07.040 --> 02:26:11.880
years, things that he had said to us

02:26:09.360 --> 02:26:14.120
before we had built it that there's no

02:26:11.879 --> 02:26:17.479
way he could have known because there

02:26:14.120 --> 02:26:19.960
was physicality, real things that we

02:26:17.479 --> 02:26:21.680
built. When you build something in a 3D

02:26:19.959 --> 02:26:24.119
environment, you're actually building a

02:26:21.680 --> 02:26:25.960
real world. It's got light bounce and

02:26:24.120 --> 02:26:27.480
refractions like the real world. Like

02:26:25.959 --> 02:26:30.359
when you turn on the light, it does the

02:26:27.479 --> 02:26:32.000
same thing. If a material has a sheen,

02:26:30.360 --> 02:26:33.760
you see it. It's literally the same

02:26:32.000 --> 02:26:36.719
thing. It's just computing power that

02:26:33.760 --> 02:26:39.600
gives you access to another world. And

02:26:36.719 --> 02:26:41.599
he mentioned things that were absolutely

02:26:39.600 --> 02:26:44.399
impossible to know.

02:26:41.600 --> 02:26:46.079
Like what? One of the things that got

02:26:44.399 --> 02:26:47.760
two things really

02:26:46.079 --> 02:26:50.360
convinced me.

02:26:47.760 --> 02:26:53.719
One of them was in the interior of the

02:26:50.360 --> 02:26:55.200
craft. You had said to us it was very

02:26:53.719 --> 02:26:58.719
dark in there.

02:26:55.200 --> 02:27:00.520
And while Bob is explaining to us the

02:26:58.719 --> 02:27:02.000
this interior of the craft and many time

02:27:00.520 --> 02:27:03.880
he kept repeating it was really dark in

02:27:02.000 --> 02:27:05.879
there.

02:27:03.879 --> 02:27:07.319
And so, at a certain point he says, as

02:27:05.879 --> 02:27:09.479
I'm crawling in, there's like these

02:27:07.319 --> 02:27:12.399
extension cords. And I remember going,

02:27:09.479 --> 02:27:14.319
extension cords? Like I it that hadn't

02:27:12.399 --> 02:27:16.520
computed. And he's like, yeah, they had

02:27:14.319 --> 02:27:19.520
lights in there. And I'm thinking, it's

02:27:16.520 --> 02:27:22.120
true. I mean, there's no light switch

02:27:19.520 --> 02:27:24.840
inside this big thing. It's 50 52 ft.

02:27:22.120 --> 02:27:28.079
It's big. And so, he said, yeah, there

02:27:24.840 --> 02:27:30.200
were two big industrial yellow

02:27:28.079 --> 02:27:32.879
industrial lights with four spots each

02:27:30.200 --> 02:27:35.440
pointed up. And so, we decided to make

02:27:32.879 --> 02:27:37.159
those. We decided to research the type

02:27:35.440 --> 02:27:38.960
that were used back then in the United

02:27:37.159 --> 02:27:40.959
States, especially on military bases,

02:27:38.959 --> 02:27:44.199
the halogen power cuz it was halogen in

02:27:40.959 --> 02:27:45.039
1988. And we turned them on. And it was

02:27:44.200 --> 02:27:48.320
still dark.

02:27:45.040 --> 02:27:50.320
>> And it was super dark. And I remember

02:27:48.319 --> 02:27:51.760
Christopher Mattel, by the way, a big

02:27:50.319 --> 02:27:53.079
shout out to Christopher Mattel that's

02:27:51.760 --> 02:27:55.000
on my team who made a lot of those

02:27:53.079 --> 02:27:56.360
visuals and he's like a magician. He's

02:27:55.000 --> 02:27:59.040
He's the best.

02:27:56.360 --> 02:28:01.079
He He's there and I I said, Chris, turn

02:27:59.040 --> 02:28:02.640
on the lights cuz we have to film in the

02:28:01.079 --> 02:28:03.559
craft. And he's like, they're they're

02:28:02.639 --> 02:28:05.760
on.

02:28:03.559 --> 02:28:07.479
I said, they're not on. I can't

02:28:05.760 --> 02:28:08.440
see anything. He's like, they're fully

02:28:07.479 --> 02:28:10.079
on.

02:28:08.440 --> 02:28:11.880
And I said, well, that that doesn't make

02:28:10.079 --> 02:28:13.920
any sense. It's so dark in there. I

02:28:11.879 --> 02:28:15.359
remember thinking,

02:28:13.920 --> 02:28:18.600
>> light in there.

02:28:15.360 --> 02:28:20.880
>> we upped the power of the light so that

02:28:18.600 --> 02:28:23.239
you could see more. And it was still

02:28:20.879 --> 02:28:25.279
dark. And I thought, what the hell is

02:28:23.239 --> 02:28:27.239
happening? I goes, is there a bug? Is it

02:28:25.280 --> 02:28:29.280
Is there something wrong? He goes, no, I

02:28:27.239 --> 02:28:30.719
don't know. It's It's It's absorbing the

02:28:29.280 --> 02:28:33.640
light in there.

02:28:30.719 --> 02:28:36.599
We had to up the light intensity on

02:28:33.639 --> 02:28:38.680
those tripods by 20-fold

02:28:36.600 --> 02:28:40.319
in order for you to see the visuals you

02:28:38.680 --> 02:28:42.479
see in our film.

02:28:40.319 --> 02:28:43.000
Otherwise, it would be really dark in

02:28:42.479 --> 02:28:45.439
that craft.

02:28:43.000 --> 02:28:48.959
>> So, how did you compute that? Like what

02:28:45.440 --> 02:28:51.239
what what parameters did you establish?

02:28:48.959 --> 02:28:53.879
So, what you do is you're you're inside

02:28:51.239 --> 02:28:55.520
a 3D environment. You're an actual a

02:28:53.879 --> 02:28:58.559
three you're in a 3D world. Now, we're

02:28:55.520 --> 02:29:01.239
inside the craft that is 52 ft in

02:28:58.559 --> 02:29:03.559
diameter. It's we bring a camera in

02:29:01.239 --> 02:29:06.799
there. So, we were filming the whole

02:29:03.559 --> 02:29:09.199
film was was done with the Blackmagic 6K

02:29:06.799 --> 02:29:10.879
cams. So, we would bring our Blackmagics

02:29:09.200 --> 02:29:14.040
in the 3D environment. You can actually

02:29:10.879 --> 02:29:16.359
set that so that we could film inside

02:29:14.040 --> 02:29:17.880
the craft so matches the filming of of

02:29:16.360 --> 02:29:20.480
our real cameras.

02:29:17.879 --> 02:29:22.239
And so, the as soon as the camera's on,

02:29:20.479 --> 02:29:24.520
it's the same lens, it's the same

02:29:22.239 --> 02:29:26.680
aperture, everything is as you would

02:29:24.520 --> 02:29:28.560
have it. And so, you're trying to adjust

02:29:26.680 --> 02:29:31.520
for this dark room.

02:29:28.559 --> 02:29:33.479
But if the room is really dark, you

02:29:31.520 --> 02:29:35.399
can't really get a good look at it cuz

02:29:33.479 --> 02:29:37.799
if you go close enough, you would have

02:29:35.399 --> 02:29:39.319
seen like a seat and a little bit of the

02:29:37.799 --> 02:29:40.719
reactor, but you would have been like,

02:29:39.319 --> 02:29:40.959
"What's the black screen I'm looking

02:29:40.719 --> 02:29:42.279
at?"

02:29:40.959 --> 02:29:44.079
>> So, what is the explanation for why it's

02:29:42.280 --> 02:29:46.040
so dark? It's just the way the light

02:29:44.079 --> 02:29:48.479
reflects on the And that is exactly

02:29:46.040 --> 02:29:49.160
Yeah, it's when you're in that space,

02:29:48.479 --> 02:29:50.799
exactly

02:29:49.159 --> 02:29:52.559
>> here's the question. Like, what what are

02:29:50.799 --> 02:29:55.679
you when you're making this in a

02:29:52.559 --> 02:29:58.680
computer model? Right? What are you

02:29:55.680 --> 02:29:59.440
putting in that would make it absorb

02:29:58.680 --> 02:30:01.840
light that way?

02:29:59.440 --> 02:30:05.920
>> I didn't do that. So, what we did is

02:30:01.840 --> 02:30:07.520
we spent over a year with Bob. I I'm not

02:30:05.920 --> 02:30:10.159
I'm not kidding. It was like a year of

02:30:07.520 --> 02:30:13.000
trying to figure out the material of the

02:30:10.159 --> 02:30:15.000
craft, the the actual skin of the craft.

02:30:13.000 --> 02:30:16.920
That was the hardest thing to do in

02:30:15.000 --> 02:30:19.280
>> clarity and the reflectivity of the

02:30:16.920 --> 02:30:20.920
actual material.

02:30:19.280 --> 02:30:23.159
Yeah. And then when the lights are in

02:30:20.920 --> 02:30:26.079
there, they just reflect at a weird

02:30:23.159 --> 02:30:27.639
angle, and it never gets bright in there

02:30:26.079 --> 02:30:29.440
unless you have

02:30:27.639 --> 02:30:30.920
tremendous amounts of light in there.

02:30:29.440 --> 02:30:33.600
It's always dark.

02:30:30.920 --> 02:30:35.399
>> And and sorry to interrupt, but that

02:30:33.600 --> 02:30:37.479
would have been So, when when that

02:30:35.399 --> 02:30:39.039
happened and we have the right material,

02:30:37.479 --> 02:30:41.600
which is like this let's call it

02:30:39.040 --> 02:30:43.640
unpolished stainless steel. It's got a

02:30:41.600 --> 02:30:45.319
little bit of usage to it just to give

02:30:43.639 --> 02:30:47.719
it some texture.

02:30:45.319 --> 02:30:49.520
It's It's as It's got the same sheen,

02:30:47.719 --> 02:30:51.399
reflection, refractions of a real

02:30:49.520 --> 02:30:52.960
material like that cuz every time we put

02:30:51.399 --> 02:30:54.719
a fake light in there, okay, it's

02:30:52.959 --> 02:30:56.439
reacting like that.

02:30:54.719 --> 02:30:59.439
And now you turn these big halogen

02:30:56.440 --> 02:31:01.399
lights on and it's like the part of

02:30:59.440 --> 02:31:02.640
where the halogen is hitting the ceiling

02:31:01.399 --> 02:31:05.039
of the craft cuz they were turned

02:31:02.639 --> 02:31:07.199
upwards. Remember you Bob said they were

02:31:05.040 --> 02:31:08.880
not pointed like this. They were pointed

02:31:07.200 --> 02:31:10.079
to the ceiling of the craft. So, you got

02:31:08.879 --> 02:31:12.759
two of them.

02:31:10.079 --> 02:31:15.840
It's like wherever the light was going

02:31:12.760 --> 02:31:18.960
was getting eaten up by that portion of

02:31:15.840 --> 02:31:21.319
the material. So, it's not reflecting

02:31:18.959 --> 02:31:24.959
all the way. So, you have a 52-ft

02:31:21.319 --> 02:31:28.719
distance and it's being lost in a maybe

02:31:24.959 --> 02:31:30.679
7-8 ft diameter environment area where

02:31:28.719 --> 02:31:34.000
the light is. And we're like, "Why is

02:31:30.680 --> 02:31:36.840
that happening?" But that's how it What

02:31:34.000 --> 02:31:40.000
that's the reality. He could not have

02:31:36.840 --> 02:31:42.000
known that if he if he's trying to make

02:31:40.000 --> 02:31:45.079
that up.

02:31:42.000 --> 02:31:47.959
Anybody who's inventing a story says

02:31:45.079 --> 02:31:50.600
there's two industrial light

02:31:47.959 --> 02:31:51.799
with four hal- bright halogen spots in

02:31:50.600 --> 02:31:54.440
there.

02:31:51.799 --> 02:31:55.559
A liar would not say it was really dark

02:31:54.440 --> 02:31:58.159
in there.

02:31:55.559 --> 02:32:00.600
You don't know that. You have to build

02:31:58.159 --> 02:32:03.840
it. Right. So, to me that was a

02:32:00.600 --> 02:32:06.399
physicality of being inside the craft

02:32:03.840 --> 02:32:09.280
that made me go, "Lazar could not have

02:32:06.399 --> 02:32:10.600
known that if he was making that up."

02:32:09.280 --> 02:32:12.760
>> know it until you experienced it.

02:32:10.600 --> 02:32:16.840
>> Exactly. Right. So, I'm like, "Unless

02:32:12.760 --> 02:32:20.319
Bob back then decided to go and in his

02:32:16.840 --> 02:32:22.799
garage build himself a fake dome, which

02:32:20.319 --> 02:32:24.520
I don't think you did." I'm like, "How

02:32:22.799 --> 02:32:26.679
would he have known that?" We didn't

02:32:24.520 --> 02:32:28.520
expect that. We were we were struggling

02:32:26.680 --> 02:32:30.159
with, "Why is it so dark in there?"

02:32:28.520 --> 02:32:30.920
>> And you make films, so you're used to

02:32:30.159 --> 02:32:33.159
using lighting and

02:32:30.920 --> 02:32:35.879
>> Exactly. And and Chris was like, "Dude,

02:32:33.159 --> 02:32:38.840
this thing is just eating up the light."

02:32:35.879 --> 02:32:42.079
And I'm like, "Bob kept saying it's so

02:32:38.840 --> 02:32:44.559
dark in there." And it just How How do

02:32:42.079 --> 02:32:47.000
you How do you How is that possible?

02:32:44.559 --> 02:32:48.439
>> the other things? The other one

02:32:47.000 --> 02:32:50.319
I laugh about this with Bob all the

02:32:48.440 --> 02:32:52.000
time. It's about the flag

02:32:50.319 --> 02:32:52.479
on the craft that you could have seen

02:32:52.000 --> 02:32:53.079
it.

02:32:52.479 --> 02:32:55.639
>> remember.

02:32:53.079 --> 02:32:57.280
>> So, when he walked into the hangar the

02:32:55.639 --> 02:33:00.479
very first time,

02:32:57.280 --> 02:33:01.000
he saw the very first time

02:33:00.479 --> 02:33:03.159
>> flag.

02:33:01.000 --> 02:33:05.639
>> he saw the craft and he saw the American

02:33:03.159 --> 02:33:06.559
the reversed American flag sticker on

02:33:05.639 --> 02:33:08.959
the craft.

02:33:06.559 --> 02:33:11.439
>> why it was reversed. I I'll get to that

02:33:08.959 --> 02:33:12.759
in a sec. I think I know, but

02:33:11.440 --> 02:33:14.920
whatever. I'll I'll I'll say what I

02:33:12.760 --> 02:33:16.600
think. And

02:33:14.920 --> 02:33:18.319
there's a lot of stuff I researched a

02:33:16.600 --> 02:33:19.479
lot of stuff on Bob Lazar before I did

02:33:18.319 --> 02:33:21.239
this, and there's a lot of bad

02:33:19.479 --> 02:33:23.879
information out there.

02:33:21.239 --> 02:33:25.319
So, I I really I I really tell people if

02:33:23.879 --> 02:33:27.039
you really want to see what he saw,

02:33:25.319 --> 02:33:28.879
don't go read what's out there. Check

02:33:27.040 --> 02:33:30.920
this out cuz Bob actually vetted

02:33:28.879 --> 02:33:32.799
everything, so it's not the wrong

02:33:30.920 --> 02:33:35.120
information read. But anyway, there's a

02:33:32.799 --> 02:33:37.039
lot of detractors saying there's no way

02:33:35.120 --> 02:33:39.079
Lazar could have seen that flag. If the

02:33:37.040 --> 02:33:41.520
craft was that size and it was on the

02:33:39.079 --> 02:33:43.959
hall on the on the craft shell, there's

02:33:41.520 --> 02:33:45.880
no way the angle he's 5 something, he

02:33:43.959 --> 02:33:48.599
wouldn't have been able to see it. So,

02:33:45.879 --> 02:33:51.000
we built it. We built a 52-ft diameter

02:33:48.600 --> 02:33:54.079
craft. We put it in the hangar. It's

02:33:51.000 --> 02:33:56.360
there. And my my team, Chris, gives me

02:33:54.079 --> 02:33:58.319
the goggles, the ones I made you try on.

02:33:56.360 --> 02:34:01.120
And it's the very first time I go in

02:33:58.319 --> 02:34:03.879
there. And I know the craft is there.

02:34:01.120 --> 02:34:05.640
So, I put them on. And now they're

02:34:03.879 --> 02:34:07.199
they're hoping cuz they're there with

02:34:05.639 --> 02:34:08.760
with notes. They're hoping I'm giving

02:34:07.200 --> 02:34:10.680
them all the notes of, "No, that's not

02:34:08.760 --> 02:34:12.760
good. That's not good." And the first

02:34:10.680 --> 02:34:14.680
thing I did is I looked to my right. I'm

02:34:12.760 --> 02:34:17.719
looking at the craft.

02:34:14.680 --> 02:34:20.159
And I'm I asked uh Chris to put me at 5

02:34:17.719 --> 02:34:22.079
ft 10, which is your height. So, I said,

02:34:20.159 --> 02:34:23.959
"At 5 10, I'm Bob's height with the

02:34:22.079 --> 02:34:25.920
goggles. I want to see."

02:34:23.959 --> 02:34:27.119
And the first thing I said is, "Oh, it's

02:34:25.920 --> 02:34:28.680
There it is."

02:34:27.120 --> 02:34:31.760
And they're like,

02:34:28.680 --> 02:34:33.520
"There what is?" I said, "The flag." And

02:34:31.760 --> 02:34:35.399
they thought I was pointing at a flag on

02:34:33.520 --> 02:34:37.399
a wall. And they're like, "There's no

02:34:35.399 --> 02:34:39.920
flag in the hangar." I said, "No, on the

02:34:37.399 --> 02:34:42.840
craft." And they're like, "Yeah?"

02:34:39.920 --> 02:34:45.639
I said, "You can clearly see it."

02:34:42.840 --> 02:34:48.159
It was clear. That was something that

02:34:45.639 --> 02:34:51.319
also made me go, "Yeah, this is this is

02:34:48.159 --> 02:34:54.840
it. This is the real size." So,

02:34:51.319 --> 02:34:57.239
had Bob Lazar not actually seen that,

02:34:54.840 --> 02:34:59.399
the majority of the the detractors out

02:34:57.239 --> 02:35:02.440
there kept saying there's no way at that

02:34:59.399 --> 02:35:05.039
angle a human eye could see a sticker on

02:35:02.440 --> 02:35:05.840
the top of the craft, which is on the

02:35:05.040 --> 02:35:06.760
top shelf.

02:35:05.840 --> 02:35:09.760
>> Mhm.

02:35:06.760 --> 02:35:11.760
But you can. It's as clear as day. So,

02:35:09.760 --> 02:35:15.040
those were two things that I considered

02:35:11.760 --> 02:35:18.520
to be like, you know,

02:35:15.040 --> 02:35:21.040
it's there. So, I know to may- maybe

02:35:18.520 --> 02:35:23.319
some people that's not a lot, but as a

02:35:21.040 --> 02:35:24.920
person like I am who's very technical,

02:35:23.319 --> 02:35:27.319
I'm very

02:35:24.920 --> 02:35:29.440
I'm super difficult. It took a long time

02:35:27.319 --> 02:35:31.639
to do this cuz I'm a perfectionist, and

02:35:29.440 --> 02:35:33.200
I wanted to make sure it was accurate to

02:35:31.639 --> 02:35:36.159
what he saw.

02:35:33.200 --> 02:35:39.240
I look at stuff like that because I

02:35:36.159 --> 02:35:42.039
analyze everything like that.

02:35:39.239 --> 02:35:43.399
And I I analyzed his story inside out.

02:35:42.040 --> 02:35:44.960
>> you couldn't see the flag from that

02:35:43.399 --> 02:35:47.119
position, it would it would be a red

02:35:44.959 --> 02:35:48.319
flag. Yeah, that would have been a red

02:35:47.120 --> 02:35:50.880
flag for me. I would have been like,

02:35:48.319 --> 02:35:53.920
"Wait, you can't see it." But you can.

02:35:50.879 --> 02:35:56.439
So, you can't you can't put

02:35:53.920 --> 02:35:57.319
enough of a value on little details like

02:35:56.440 --> 02:35:59.960
that

02:35:57.319 --> 02:36:03.879
because he didn't say this in 2026. He

02:35:59.959 --> 02:36:04.759
said this in 1989. Right.

02:36:03.879 --> 02:36:07.039
Why?

02:36:04.760 --> 02:36:11.960
>> Why do you think the flag was reversed?

02:36:07.040 --> 02:36:14.240
In American uh flag use law, the the the

02:36:11.959 --> 02:36:17.279
the only thing we were able to

02:36:14.239 --> 02:36:19.920
ascertain is the fact that on military

02:36:17.280 --> 02:36:21.760
or on vehicles, anything military on a

02:36:19.920 --> 02:36:24.360
on a uniform, if ever you see an

02:36:21.760 --> 02:36:26.960
American flag on your right shoulder,

02:36:24.360 --> 02:36:29.640
it's reversed because it's how the wind

02:36:26.959 --> 02:36:31.639
is blowing the flag. On your left side,

02:36:29.639 --> 02:36:33.462
it's like the flag is because the wind

02:36:31.639 --> 02:36:35.079
is blowing this way. If you look at

02:36:33.462 --> 02:36:37.639
[clears throat] vehicles, uh let's say a

02:36:35.079 --> 02:36:40.280
Greyhound bus, they have American flags

02:36:37.639 --> 02:36:42.680
on each side, and they have a normal one

02:36:40.280 --> 02:36:44.680
on the left one on the left side and a

02:36:42.680 --> 02:36:46.800
reversed on the right side because it's

02:36:44.680 --> 02:36:48.920
the right side of the vehicle. So, it's

02:36:46.799 --> 02:36:51.359
a blowing it's blowing in the flag

02:36:48.920 --> 02:36:55.399
>> the flag that way. So, the reversed

02:36:51.360 --> 02:36:56.239
American flag is a is a is a actual

02:36:55.399 --> 02:36:58.639
uh

02:36:56.239 --> 02:37:00.719
it's the law of how to use the flag in

02:36:58.639 --> 02:37:03.199
the United States military or on

02:37:00.719 --> 02:37:07.119
vehicles. And it has to be like that on

02:37:03.200 --> 02:37:09.760
the right side. So, to to say, "Is that

02:37:07.120 --> 02:37:10.600
the right side of the craft?" Yeah, it

02:37:09.760 --> 02:37:13.600
must be.

02:37:10.600 --> 02:37:15.559
>> be because if you go into the craft, the

02:37:13.600 --> 02:37:17.399
seats when you're when you go into the

02:37:15.559 --> 02:37:18.559
craft I I can't wait for you to go in

02:37:17.399 --> 02:37:21.479
the craft.

02:37:18.559 --> 02:37:23.959
When you go inside, the seats are facing

02:37:21.479 --> 02:37:26.359
the right side, meaning

02:37:23.959 --> 02:37:29.399
the hatch is the right side of the

02:37:26.360 --> 02:37:32.040
craft. It's the only thing that came to

02:37:29.399 --> 02:37:35.279
mind. I mean, is that what the they did

02:37:32.040 --> 02:37:37.960
at S4? They put a sticker on it?

02:37:35.280 --> 02:37:40.040
I mean, it's the only logical thing we

02:37:37.959 --> 02:37:43.399
could think of is that's why it was

02:37:40.040 --> 02:37:45.560
there. Mhm. I don't know. I'm

02:37:43.399 --> 02:37:48.119
you know, my other my other because if

02:37:45.559 --> 02:37:51.719
it was an American fla- if it was just

02:37:48.120 --> 02:37:55.240
for identifying this is America,

02:37:51.719 --> 02:37:57.279
why would you reverse it? Right. Right?

02:37:55.239 --> 02:37:58.760
You're reversing it because it's

02:37:57.280 --> 02:38:01.880
indicating the direction which it

02:37:58.760 --> 02:38:03.079
travels. Exactly. Wow.

02:38:01.879 --> 02:38:04.559
That's just an interesting

02:38:03.079 --> 02:38:06.559
>> Yeah. Right?

02:38:04.559 --> 02:38:11.159
It's all interesting. The The goggles is

02:38:06.559 --> 02:38:13.519
a trip. When I put on the 3D AR goggles

02:38:11.159 --> 02:38:15.600
and you you VR goggles rather and you

02:38:13.520 --> 02:38:18.120
you stand in that

02:38:15.600 --> 02:38:20.920
warehouse, that hangar, and look at it,

02:38:18.120 --> 02:38:23.280
it's very strange. It feels weird.

02:38:20.920 --> 02:38:25.000
>> like it was. It feels very weird. It

02:38:23.280 --> 02:38:27.040
feels very weird cuz I I mean, I'm only

02:38:25.000 --> 02:38:30.079
imagining what it's like to actually be

02:38:27.040 --> 02:38:31.960
you in 1988 and be standing there. When

02:38:30.079 --> 02:38:34.520
you put the goggles on, that's exactly

02:38:31.959 --> 02:38:36.359
how it was. What did What did Dennis say

02:38:34.520 --> 02:38:37.040
when you first saw it? Was like, "Huh?

02:38:36.360 --> 02:38:38.560
Huh?"

02:38:37.040 --> 02:38:40.920
Like, [laughter] "Come on."

02:38:38.559 --> 02:38:43.719
Dennis Dennis was hardcore. Yeah.

02:38:40.920 --> 02:38:46.159
>> He was Yeah, he was here. Look at that.

02:38:43.719 --> 02:38:48.479
You know, come back in here. I mean it

02:38:46.159 --> 02:38:50.879
There was no reaction. Barry on the

02:38:48.479 --> 02:38:52.799
other hand was out of his mind. He he

02:38:50.879 --> 02:38:54.319
couldn't wait to show me stuff and you

02:38:52.799 --> 02:38:56.119
know, he said, "Check this out. Oh my

02:38:54.319 --> 02:38:58.639
god, that was that awesome." You know,

02:38:56.120 --> 02:39:00.840
but Dennis was uh

02:38:58.639 --> 02:39:03.840
It was like a hardcore

02:39:00.840 --> 02:39:05.760
you know, military guy.

02:39:03.840 --> 02:39:07.440
How much of a view did you get of the

02:39:05.760 --> 02:39:10.159
other crafts? Cuz it's one of the things

02:39:07.440 --> 02:39:12.159
in the film, you only see like hints of

02:39:10.159 --> 02:39:13.680
them. That was it. That's it. That's it.

02:39:12.159 --> 02:39:15.920
What you saw on the film was exactly

02:39:13.680 --> 02:39:18.600
what it was. It was just a passing thing

02:39:15.920 --> 02:39:21.879
and as I was walking out there going,

02:39:18.600 --> 02:39:24.440
"Wow, there's more. Everything looks

02:39:21.879 --> 02:39:26.839
different." And

02:39:24.440 --> 02:39:28.520
other than the the first two hangars, I

02:39:26.840 --> 02:39:30.239
really couldn't tell what was past out

02:39:28.520 --> 02:39:33.239
there, but there were other hangars and

02:39:30.239 --> 02:39:35.479
there were things inside them. But It's

02:39:33.239 --> 02:39:38.399
also interesting that at the time in

02:39:35.479 --> 02:39:40.719
1988, this site was not even confirmed.

02:39:38.399 --> 02:39:42.719
This was like for you to have to know

02:39:40.719 --> 02:39:45.559
about this and know the exact location

02:39:42.719 --> 02:39:47.319
of it is kind of strange. Right. Now,

02:39:45.559 --> 02:39:49.600
Luigi did that. I mean, I gave him the

02:39:47.319 --> 02:39:51.680
general idea. I said

02:39:49.600 --> 02:39:53.520
you know, I know

02:39:51.680 --> 02:39:56.079
what time I got out there and I could

02:39:53.520 --> 02:39:56.440
see Papoose Lake and behind me

02:39:56.079 --> 02:39:57.799
the hill.

02:39:56.440 --> 02:39:59.960
>> He pulled he pulled up a lot of stuff

02:39:57.799 --> 02:40:02.039
from there. But another interesting

02:39:59.959 --> 02:40:04.959
thing he pulled up was

02:40:02.040 --> 02:40:06.240
there was an old silver mine exactly

02:40:04.959 --> 02:40:08.319
there.

02:40:06.239 --> 02:40:11.239
In the exact same place and I wonder if

02:40:08.319 --> 02:40:13.600
they used that as the it was already

02:40:11.239 --> 02:40:15.399
drilled. There was already, you know,

02:40:13.600 --> 02:40:17.399
corridors in there.

02:40:15.399 --> 02:40:19.399
>> I actually held this

02:40:17.399 --> 02:40:21.000
for this show. What I'm about to say is

02:40:19.399 --> 02:40:23.000
the first time ever. It's not even It

02:40:21.000 --> 02:40:25.719
didn't make it in my film. I wish it

02:40:23.000 --> 02:40:28.559
did, but it didn't make it in the film.

02:40:25.719 --> 02:40:30.879
Veronica at on our team, she's my

02:40:28.559 --> 02:40:31.959
sister. She's like my right hand and I

02:40:30.879 --> 02:40:33.239
didn't If I didn't have her, I wouldn't

02:40:31.959 --> 02:40:35.079
be here right now.

02:40:33.239 --> 02:40:37.239
She found this

02:40:35.079 --> 02:40:40.159
and at a certain point we were looking

02:40:37.239 --> 02:40:42.479
at the maps out there and we we You'll

02:40:40.159 --> 02:40:44.600
see in my film that Gene Huff sent us

02:40:42.479 --> 02:40:47.079
some US Department of the Interior

02:40:44.600 --> 02:40:49.479
official maps of that environment at the

02:40:47.079 --> 02:40:51.200
Groom Groom Lake Papoose Lake.

02:40:49.479 --> 02:40:52.719
But we weren't satisfied. We wanted to

02:40:51.200 --> 02:40:55.760
go deeper. We said there's got to be

02:40:52.719 --> 02:40:56.879
more and there's one map

02:40:55.760 --> 02:41:00.159
in

02:40:56.879 --> 02:41:02.799
that is a publicly available map. It's

02:41:00.159 --> 02:41:04.399
super not easy to find, by the way,

02:41:02.799 --> 02:41:07.719
that is in the hands of the US

02:41:04.399 --> 02:41:09.399
Department of the Interior.

02:41:07.719 --> 02:41:10.760
I could get it to you if you want. I can

02:41:09.399 --> 02:41:13.760
email it to you.

02:41:10.760 --> 02:41:15.800
That map is the oldest map of Papoose

02:41:13.760 --> 02:41:17.600
Lake known in the hands of the

02:41:15.799 --> 02:41:18.920
government that is that is public

02:41:17.600 --> 02:41:21.040
domain.

02:41:18.920 --> 02:41:22.879
That map and everybody's going to be

02:41:21.040 --> 02:41:27.840
listening to this

02:41:22.879 --> 02:41:30.719
clearly shows a road that goes right

02:41:27.840 --> 02:41:31.799
into where S4 was.

02:41:30.719 --> 02:41:34.879
is.

02:41:31.799 --> 02:41:38.920
It doesn't show a road near it. It shows

02:41:34.879 --> 02:41:41.599
a road going right in the mountain.

02:41:38.920 --> 02:41:44.159
And they removed it. That map is from

02:41:41.600 --> 02:41:48.239
1941.

02:41:44.159 --> 02:41:52.119
Okay? Right after that, the map is 1950

02:41:48.239 --> 02:41:54.840
and 1952 and those roads were removed.

02:41:52.120 --> 02:41:56.840
But the the late the oldest map we ever

02:41:54.840 --> 02:41:58.479
found, it's going to be available.

02:41:56.840 --> 02:42:00.399
We're going to post it on our website.

02:41:58.479 --> 02:42:01.879
It's going to be everywhere.

02:42:00.399 --> 02:42:05.079
It shows

02:42:01.879 --> 02:42:07.519
clear as day a road that goes right into

02:42:05.079 --> 02:42:10.399
the mountain exactly where Bob Lazar

02:42:07.520 --> 02:42:12.280
said S4 was. So, do you think that was

02:42:10.399 --> 02:42:14.239
the road to the silver mine initially?

02:42:12.280 --> 02:42:15.680
>> Yes, I believe that yeah. I believe It

02:42:14.239 --> 02:42:17.760
makes sense that they would use an

02:42:15.680 --> 02:42:19.600
existing facility and just enlarge it

02:42:17.760 --> 02:42:21.280
instead of start from nothing. Right, of

02:42:19.600 --> 02:42:22.800
course. Especially if it's abandoned.

02:42:21.280 --> 02:42:25.480
Yeah. Yeah.

02:42:22.799 --> 02:42:28.319
And it also makes sense that if Roswell

02:42:25.479 --> 02:42:31.159
was real and if they really did

02:42:28.319 --> 02:42:33.279
find a crashed UFO in 1947

02:42:31.159 --> 02:42:35.319
like in the 1950s they'd be like, "Let's

02:42:33.280 --> 02:42:35.840
get rid of this road."

02:42:35.319 --> 02:42:37.239
Right?

02:42:35.840 --> 02:42:39.280
>> Yeah, if we're putting this out there,

02:42:37.239 --> 02:42:41.119
if we're building this facility out

02:42:39.280 --> 02:42:42.440
there. And if they did have it, that

02:42:41.120 --> 02:42:44.200
also makes sense that they worked on

02:42:42.440 --> 02:42:46.399
this for decades. You come along in

02:42:44.200 --> 02:42:49.720
1988, they've got this happening in the

02:42:46.399 --> 02:42:52.039
1950s and it's still there. Yeah.

02:42:49.719 --> 02:42:54.439
Yeah. I think what happened is when the

02:42:52.040 --> 02:42:57.920
CIA took over cuz CIA is the one took

02:42:54.440 --> 02:42:59.640
over area They're the ones that Area 51.

02:42:57.920 --> 02:43:02.040
I think what happened is as they took

02:42:59.639 --> 02:43:04.680
over, they just removed the the road.

02:43:02.040 --> 02:43:06.720
It wasn't even because there was a UF

02:43:04.680 --> 02:43:09.159
a flying saucer there. I I just think

02:43:06.719 --> 02:43:12.199
they got in there, took control of that

02:43:09.159 --> 02:43:14.360
terrain, that whole landscape and said

02:43:12.200 --> 02:43:16.480
"Remove it off the maps." Because it's

02:43:14.360 --> 02:43:18.200
there prior to them taking ownership of

02:43:16.479 --> 02:43:20.000
that land.

02:43:18.200 --> 02:43:23.159
So, I mean

02:43:20.000 --> 02:43:25.360
it's clear that there was a road there

02:43:23.159 --> 02:43:28.600
and then they came in, CIA said take it

02:43:25.360 --> 02:43:30.400
out and S4 might have had already an

02:43:28.600 --> 02:43:32.399
installat Not it wasn't an installation,

02:43:30.399 --> 02:43:34.359
but they probably had a a tunnel in

02:43:32.399 --> 02:43:35.319
there already because they were it was a

02:43:34.360 --> 02:43:37.480
mine.

02:43:35.319 --> 02:43:39.399
So, it was an easier way to build a big

02:43:37.479 --> 02:43:41.239
facility in the in the side of the hill.

02:43:39.399 --> 02:43:42.600
Makes sense. It does make sense. And

02:43:41.239 --> 02:43:45.680
then there's also the images that you

02:43:42.600 --> 02:43:48.280
got of what looks like the hangar bay

02:43:45.680 --> 02:43:50.840
doors that are camouflaged. And I have

02:43:48.280 --> 02:43:53.520
to say that Got to go again? Yeah.

02:43:50.840 --> 02:43:54.938
Sorry. No worries. I'm That's all good.

02:43:53.520 --> 02:43:56.800
That

02:43:54.938 --> 02:43:59.520
>> [laughter]

02:43:56.799 --> 02:44:01.487
>> Technology will fix that.

02:43:59.520 --> 02:44:01.640
It'll remove your prostate.

02:44:01.487 --> 02:44:03.559
>> [laughter]

02:44:01.639 --> 02:44:06.079
>> Turn you into a alien.

02:44:03.559 --> 02:44:09.559
Um so, though the that image that you

02:44:06.079 --> 02:44:13.399
got um of the unfortunately it's kind of

02:44:09.559 --> 02:44:15.600
blurry, but it you do see something that

02:44:13.399 --> 02:44:18.359
looks very similar to what you'd expect

02:44:15.600 --> 02:44:21.239
to be camouflage garage bay doors. I got

02:44:18.360 --> 02:44:24.040
contacted by a guy called Scott

02:44:21.239 --> 02:44:26.479
Mitchell. And I was getting contacted by

02:44:24.040 --> 02:44:28.560
everybody, Joe. Everybody everybody was

02:44:26.479 --> 02:44:30.559
trying to get in in find getting to make

02:44:28.559 --> 02:44:34.279
me work with them or use something they

02:44:30.559 --> 02:44:36.399
found. So, I was I was ignoring 95 99%

02:44:34.280 --> 02:44:37.640
of people's like It's getting tiring.

02:44:36.399 --> 02:44:39.279
Everybody's like, "You got to listen to

02:44:37.639 --> 02:44:41.559
me. I know stuff about that." I'm like,

02:44:39.280 --> 02:44:43.400
"Whatever. I'm working with Bob Lazar. I

02:44:41.559 --> 02:44:46.479
I have enough right now."

02:44:43.399 --> 02:44:48.159
But this guy we had built the base.

02:44:46.479 --> 02:44:50.879
And I knew exactly where it was. I knew

02:44:48.159 --> 02:44:53.200
exactly the layout. And this guy he not

02:44:50.879 --> 02:44:55.879
only contacted me, but he sent me an

02:44:53.200 --> 02:44:57.440
image that he had that he had drawn. He

02:44:55.879 --> 02:44:59.279
didn't want to send me the real what he

02:44:57.440 --> 02:45:00.760
had found, but he says, "Here it is.

02:44:59.280 --> 02:45:03.680
This is where the doors are and this is

02:45:00.760 --> 02:45:06.239
exactly where they they point to."

02:45:03.680 --> 02:45:08.800
I looked at the image and I said

02:45:06.239 --> 02:45:11.760
"Not bad." I mean, he really nailed it

02:45:08.799 --> 02:45:14.000
in the image and I thought "Okay." I I I

02:45:11.760 --> 02:45:16.239
at first I thought somebody on my team

02:45:14.000 --> 02:45:18.600
leaked something we had. To be honest,

02:45:16.239 --> 02:45:21.239
I'm like, "Ah, who did that? Who sent

02:45:18.600 --> 02:45:22.360
out one of our renders to somebody?" And

02:45:21.239 --> 02:45:25.239
cuz that's what I thought. And they're

02:45:22.360 --> 02:45:25.800
like, "No, no, no. This is what?" So, I

02:45:25.239 --> 02:45:26.799
I

02:45:25.799 --> 02:45:29.239
I

02:45:26.799 --> 02:45:31.920
talked to this guy and

02:45:29.239 --> 02:45:34.199
he's a he's really really good at

02:45:31.920 --> 02:45:36.840
researching and he ended up becoming

02:45:34.200 --> 02:45:38.159
probably one of the best I've ever like

02:45:36.840 --> 02:45:39.680
he's one of the best I've ever seen. His

02:45:38.159 --> 02:45:42.119
name is Scott Mitchell.

02:45:39.680 --> 02:45:44.399
And he says, "There are pictures that

02:45:42.120 --> 02:45:46.000
were taken in 2020." And they ironically

02:45:44.399 --> 02:45:49.079
those pictures were taken on December

02:45:46.000 --> 02:45:51.360
25th, 2020, which is Christmas Day

02:45:49.079 --> 02:45:53.000
in the middle of COVID.

02:45:51.360 --> 02:45:54.400
Which means the base might have been

02:45:53.000 --> 02:45:55.760
shut down.

02:45:54.399 --> 02:45:57.680
If you think about that, you know what I

02:45:55.760 --> 02:45:59.960
mean? Like it's COVID. It's like in the

02:45:57.680 --> 02:46:01.880
heat of it. Plus it's 20 It's 20 It's

02:45:59.959 --> 02:46:04.879
25th of December. So, there's probably

02:46:01.879 --> 02:46:05.799
nothing going on there. And this private

02:46:04.879 --> 02:46:08.479
uh

02:46:05.799 --> 02:46:10.959
pilot in in a small Cessna requested

02:46:08.479 --> 02:46:13.199
access inside the perimeter

02:46:10.959 --> 02:46:15.719
and they granted him permission.

02:46:13.200 --> 02:46:18.560
And he had a big Nikon camera on board

02:46:15.719 --> 02:46:19.760
with a big telescopic zoom and he took a

02:46:18.559 --> 02:46:21.519
ton of pictures and they're

02:46:19.760 --> 02:46:23.639
amazing. They're all public. They're all

02:46:21.520 --> 02:46:26.120
available. You can download them.

02:46:23.639 --> 02:46:28.279
And there's this these pictures of

02:46:26.120 --> 02:46:30.040
Papoose Lake and the hill. But they were

02:46:28.280 --> 02:46:31.360
being used on the internet for a long

02:46:30.040 --> 02:46:33.440
time. Everybody was like, "See, Bob

02:46:31.360 --> 02:46:35.040
Lazar is is a fraud. It's not real.

02:46:33.440 --> 02:46:37.399
There's nothing there."

02:46:35.040 --> 02:46:40.040
Well, of course you can't see it. It's

02:46:37.399 --> 02:46:41.840
First of all, it's 17 mi away and

02:46:40.040 --> 02:46:44.520
secondly, they're not designed for you

02:46:41.840 --> 02:46:46.040
to see it. And that also let's talk

02:46:44.520 --> 02:46:48.239
about something that Bob was talking

02:46:46.040 --> 02:46:51.000
about in 1988. The picture was taken in

02:46:48.239 --> 02:46:52.360
2020. I mean, there could be

02:46:51.000 --> 02:46:53.600
That's could be a different landscape

02:46:52.360 --> 02:46:54.920
now. Anyway.

02:46:53.600 --> 02:46:57.760
So,

02:46:54.920 --> 02:46:59.920
he said, "Look, this image if you change

02:46:57.760 --> 02:47:01.880
the contrast, you got to keep the

02:46:59.920 --> 02:47:04.920
original, but just move and try to

02:47:01.879 --> 02:47:06.479
extract data from your image." You know,

02:47:04.920 --> 02:47:09.000
anybody who knows how to use that do

02:47:06.479 --> 02:47:11.879
that with photography, you can do that.

02:47:09.000 --> 02:47:14.000
And he and he pulls out these this this

02:47:11.879 --> 02:47:15.439
geometric these geometric shapes. You

02:47:14.000 --> 02:47:18.799
could see them. They're they're like

02:47:15.440 --> 02:47:20.760
little They look like rectangles.

02:47:18.799 --> 02:47:23.599
And I thought

02:47:20.760 --> 02:47:25.079
"What if this is not real?" I I'm I was

02:47:23.600 --> 02:47:26.440
super skeptical. I'll be honest with

02:47:25.079 --> 02:47:29.120
you. I wasn't I'm We're talking about

02:47:26.440 --> 02:47:30.280
the the picture with the doors on the

02:47:29.120 --> 02:47:31.800
the hangar doors the hangar doors, the

02:47:30.280 --> 02:47:34.560
one from Scott Mitchell, the one that we

02:47:31.799 --> 02:47:35.279
have in the film. All right, right. And

02:47:34.559 --> 02:47:36.719
uh

02:47:35.280 --> 02:47:38.480
And so I I I didn't believe it. I

02:47:36.719 --> 02:47:40.559
thought there's no way. I go, "There's

02:47:38.479 --> 02:47:42.559
no way this is real. I I I don't believe

02:47:40.559 --> 02:47:44.239
it." So, Scott was really cool. He said,

02:47:42.559 --> 02:47:47.600
"Look, man, I I understand you're

02:47:44.239 --> 02:47:48.840
skeptic. I get it. I want you to do me a

02:47:47.600 --> 02:47:51.360
favor.

02:47:48.840 --> 02:47:53.040
Go online. Search it yourself. I won't

02:47:51.360 --> 02:47:56.120
even tell you where it is. I'll just

02:47:53.040 --> 02:47:58.280
tell you what who who took the pictures.

02:47:56.120 --> 02:48:01.600
E The The only thing he gave us is the

02:47:58.280 --> 02:48:03.680
picture number is 0501. That's what the

02:48:01.600 --> 02:48:05.920
picture number is. He goes, "If you find

02:48:03.680 --> 02:48:07.920
it, have what whoever on your team play

02:48:05.920 --> 02:48:10.159
around with it until you see it." That

02:48:07.920 --> 02:48:12.319
was fair cuz I said, "Okay." Cuz I mean,

02:48:10.159 --> 02:48:14.239
if it's if it's out there, there's two

02:48:12.319 --> 02:48:16.799
different places it was

02:48:14.239 --> 02:48:20.559
on online and the one place we got it

02:48:16.799 --> 02:48:24.759
from was the source of it, okay? Was the

02:48:20.559 --> 02:48:27.119
from the photographer, the guy himself.

02:48:24.760 --> 02:48:29.040
We take it. I had three different people

02:48:27.120 --> 02:48:30.720
on my team. Everybody's really good at

02:48:29.040 --> 02:48:31.680
all this stuff on my team. So, I said,

02:48:30.719 --> 02:48:33.799
"Guys,

02:48:31.680 --> 02:48:37.040
this is what we need to see. If you guys

02:48:33.799 --> 02:48:39.399
could pull it up, I I I'm I'm not going

02:48:37.040 --> 02:48:41.200
to be a skeptical. Everybody got it

02:48:39.399 --> 02:48:43.719
almost in the same time. They were

02:48:41.200 --> 02:48:46.320
playing around and eventually the the

02:48:43.719 --> 02:48:48.959
easiest software we used to get that

02:48:46.319 --> 02:48:51.279
detail out was DaVinci Resolve. And with

02:48:48.959 --> 02:48:52.879
DaVinci, it's a faster process than if

02:48:51.280 --> 02:48:53.960
you're messing around with Photoshop or

02:48:52.879 --> 02:48:57.399
whatever.

02:48:53.959 --> 02:48:59.679
And it came and I was like, "Oh my god."

02:48:57.399 --> 02:49:02.440
It it it's it's really there. You could

02:48:59.680 --> 02:49:04.840
clear So, what I did is I had them scan

02:49:02.440 --> 02:49:07.520
the rest of the picture because it's

02:49:04.840 --> 02:49:10.600
pixels, right? So, I said, "Let's also

02:49:07.520 --> 02:49:13.040
see if it's not some pixel pixelation.

02:49:10.600 --> 02:49:14.720
Is it maybe just what the photo does?

02:49:13.040 --> 02:49:15.960
Maybe we just got lucky and it looks

02:49:14.719 --> 02:49:18.079
like that there. Maybe it's going to

02:49:15.959 --> 02:49:20.439
show something similar elsewhere." And

02:49:18.079 --> 02:49:23.959
it doesn't. And then I said, "All right,

02:49:20.440 --> 02:49:25.800
go get me 0502. I want 0500. I want"

02:49:23.959 --> 02:49:27.839
because the guy kept snapping pictures.

02:49:25.799 --> 02:49:29.759
I want you to do the same Like we went

02:49:27.840 --> 02:49:32.239
really military. Like I said, "I want to

02:49:29.760 --> 02:49:33.920
make sure this is this is real. I don't

02:49:32.239 --> 02:49:36.559
I'm not going to put our name on this if

02:49:33.920 --> 02:49:38.879
it's not." And then it ended up being

02:49:36.559 --> 02:49:40.559
other pictures also show it, by the way,

02:49:38.879 --> 02:49:42.479
cuz he he went click click click. So,

02:49:40.559 --> 02:49:46.479
it's like it's not just that one. That's

02:49:42.479 --> 02:49:48.600
the clearest one. And so, I was at a

02:49:46.479 --> 02:49:51.399
certain point I go to Bob's house and

02:49:48.600 --> 02:49:54.079
I'm sitting there and the guy

02:49:51.399 --> 02:49:55.680
calls me. Scott Mitchell calls me and he

02:49:54.079 --> 02:49:56.920
he has no idea I'm with I'm with Bob

02:49:55.680 --> 02:49:59.079
Lazar.

02:49:56.920 --> 02:50:00.479
So, I pick up. It's a video call.

02:49:59.079 --> 02:50:02.239
And he goes, "Hey, man, what's going

02:50:00.479 --> 02:50:04.199
on?" I said, "Well, look." I said, "Look

02:50:02.239 --> 02:50:05.440
who I'm with." And he just like exploded

02:50:04.200 --> 02:50:07.880
cuz he was like, "Oh my god, you're with

02:50:05.440 --> 02:50:10.880
Bob." And I said, "Show him." And so,

02:50:07.879 --> 02:50:12.839
Bob was there and we showed it we ended

02:50:10.879 --> 02:50:15.559
up transferring the call on a on a Zoom

02:50:12.840 --> 02:50:17.600
call. And he showed it and you said,

02:50:15.559 --> 02:50:19.279
"Yeah." Like I remember you going,

02:50:17.600 --> 02:50:20.479
"Yeah, that's it." Yeah, yeah, that.

02:50:19.280 --> 02:50:21.360
What did that look like to you when you

02:50:20.479 --> 02:50:22.799
saw those images?

02:50:21.360 --> 02:50:23.200
>> that was that was awesome.

02:50:22.799 --> 02:50:25.359
>> Yeah.

02:50:23.200 --> 02:50:28.159
>> It was awesome. What what was really

02:50:25.360 --> 02:50:29.120
shocking was the first hangar was

02:50:28.159 --> 02:50:30.920
bigger. Yeah.

02:50:29.120 --> 02:50:31.240
>> And that's what we discovered. Yeah.

02:50:30.920 --> 02:50:32.520
>> Yeah.

02:50:31.239 --> 02:50:33.760
>> Yeah, cuz the first hangar is the big

02:50:32.520 --> 02:50:35.520
hangar and there's a bunch of smaller

02:50:33.760 --> 02:50:38.079
ones. And I said, "Jesus, the first

02:50:35.520 --> 02:50:42.040
hangar is bigger. You You found it. You

02:50:38.079 --> 02:50:44.039
found it." So, I mean, that that was I I

02:50:42.040 --> 02:50:44.360
just lit up at that point.

02:50:44.040 --> 02:50:45.560
>> it was

02:50:44.360 --> 02:50:47.040
>> What happens if you look at that site

02:50:45.559 --> 02:50:48.239
with Google Earth?

02:50:47.040 --> 02:50:50.320
That is with the Google Earth.

02:50:48.239 --> 02:50:52.479
>> No. No, that was the picture, but Google

02:50:50.319 --> 02:50:54.000
Earth but Google Earth and I'll tell you

02:50:52.479 --> 02:50:55.239
something about Google That that was the

02:50:54.000 --> 02:50:57.920
>> That wasn't with the Google Earth?

02:50:55.239 --> 02:50:59.520
>> No, the the picture is a real photo.

02:50:57.920 --> 02:51:00.280
The picture of the hangar doors is a

02:50:59.520 --> 02:51:01.239
real photo.

02:51:00.280 --> 02:51:02.920
>> I said that was Google Earth.

02:51:01.239 --> 02:51:04.840
>> No. No, the picture is a real photo. The

02:51:02.920 --> 02:51:05.639
Google Earth, though, you see that in

02:51:04.840 --> 02:51:06.920
the film.

02:51:05.639 --> 02:51:08.639
>> Yeah.

02:51:06.920 --> 02:51:10.520
I can't make this up. I didn't want to

02:51:08.639 --> 02:51:12.279
put anything in the film. That was one

02:51:10.520 --> 02:51:14.880
of my things. I did not want to put

02:51:12.280 --> 02:51:17.800
anything in the film that would make me,

02:51:14.879 --> 02:51:19.559
the whole team, or even Bob look like

02:51:17.799 --> 02:51:21.920
we're trying to like

02:51:19.559 --> 02:51:24.600
MacGyver some something in there. It has

02:51:21.920 --> 02:51:27.120
to be you go look for it yourself. It's

02:51:24.600 --> 02:51:29.239
public. If you don't believe it, go

02:51:27.120 --> 02:51:30.800
check it out yourself. I That's how

02:51:29.239 --> 02:51:33.520
That's what was That's the only thing we

02:51:30.799 --> 02:51:36.959
allowed in there. And

02:51:33.520 --> 02:51:42.440
when you go on Papoose Lake,

02:51:36.959 --> 02:51:45.479
on June 20 So, June 22nd of 2024,

02:51:42.440 --> 02:51:48.480
June of 2024,

02:51:45.479 --> 02:51:50.039
Google Earth changed. There's you're

02:51:48.479 --> 02:51:52.680
you're going to be right over Papoose

02:51:50.040 --> 02:51:54.400
Lake. If you zoom in, you're you're not

02:51:52.680 --> 02:51:58.280
going to notice it cuz it it's kind of a

02:51:54.399 --> 02:52:00.159
yellowish a tint to the to the image.

02:51:58.280 --> 02:52:01.760
And I remember going, "Why is it so

02:52:00.159 --> 02:52:03.280
yellow?" I mean, I'd been there so many

02:52:01.760 --> 02:52:05.079
times. I was like, "Why Why it

02:52:03.280 --> 02:52:07.720
turned so yellow?"

02:52:05.079 --> 02:52:09.360
And I'm like I saw I I'm zooming out and

02:52:07.719 --> 02:52:11.760
I'm like, "Why did they it up?" I

02:52:09.360 --> 02:52:14.800
thought they ruined everything.

02:52:11.760 --> 02:52:18.680
It's all yellow. And as I go further,

02:52:14.799 --> 02:52:21.920
you see this box that is like right over

02:52:18.680 --> 02:52:24.720
Papoose. So, I'm like, "What is that?"

02:52:21.920 --> 02:52:29.600
And I put my mouse over it and wherever

02:52:24.719 --> 02:52:31.000
you're in the box, it's June 22nd, 2024.

02:52:29.600 --> 02:52:33.800
And as soon as you put your mouse

02:52:31.000 --> 02:52:35.040
outside of the box, well, it's an older

02:52:33.799 --> 02:52:38.799
date.

02:52:35.040 --> 02:52:41.360
And I thought, "Oh, they just did that."

02:52:38.799 --> 02:52:43.159
And the mis- So, I think what they

02:52:41.360 --> 02:52:46.280
thought they were going to do

02:52:43.159 --> 02:52:50.280
is that new filter right over Papoose

02:52:46.280 --> 02:52:52.880
Lake removes every possible detail on

02:52:50.280 --> 02:52:54.960
the terrain the landscape.

02:52:52.879 --> 02:52:57.039
Where the brushes are and the the Joshua

02:52:54.959 --> 02:52:57.679
trees are. It really really removes all

02:52:57.040 --> 02:52:57.880
that.

02:52:57.680 --> 02:53:00.360
>> everything.

02:52:57.879 --> 02:53:02.920
>> It blurs everything out. But it makes

02:53:00.360 --> 02:53:04.520
they made a mistake. They made a huge

02:53:02.920 --> 02:53:05.639
error. I believe so. And I think if

02:53:04.520 --> 02:53:06.800
they're listening, they're going to go,

02:53:05.639 --> 02:53:09.359
"Yeah,

02:53:06.799 --> 02:53:12.279
our bad." To the to the DoD cuz they're

02:53:09.360 --> 02:53:13.360
going cuz you see all the tracks on the

02:53:12.280 --> 02:53:16.600
lake.

02:53:13.360 --> 02:53:20.360
It for some reason that filter

02:53:16.600 --> 02:53:23.920
accentuates the tracks on Papoose Lake

02:53:20.360 --> 02:53:26.319
and removes the landscape brushes for I

02:53:23.920 --> 02:53:29.000
don't know why. It just did that. And I

02:53:26.319 --> 02:53:31.000
was like, "Holy you see all these

02:53:29.000 --> 02:53:33.239
tracks." What it looks like is they're

02:53:31.000 --> 02:53:35.239
trying to purposely obscure the area.

02:53:33.239 --> 02:53:36.319
>> Yes. And the fact that it's in a very

02:53:35.239 --> 02:53:38.159
clear box.

02:53:36.319 --> 02:53:39.879
>> Yeah. And you talked about that in the

02:53:38.159 --> 02:53:40.600
film. And it's kind of bonkers.

02:53:39.879 --> 02:53:41.439
>> And what's crazy

02:53:40.600 --> 02:53:42.440
>> no reason

02:53:41.440 --> 02:53:45.640
>> There's no reason.

02:53:42.440 --> 02:53:48.000
>> one little square box out of Why? Why?

02:53:45.639 --> 02:53:49.680
That nobody goes to, right? Yeah. So,

02:53:48.000 --> 02:53:50.159
they tried to obscure it. Yeah. Yeah.

02:53:49.680 --> 02:53:52.040
Why would

02:53:50.159 --> 02:53:54.000
>> I thought, "Jeez, dude, we got to put

02:53:52.040 --> 02:53:56.960
this in there. I mean, it's so cool,

02:53:54.000 --> 02:53:58.360
right?" It's all very compelling.

02:53:56.959 --> 02:54:00.319
Um

02:53:58.360 --> 02:54:01.880
I think we should wrap this up, but uh

02:54:00.319 --> 02:54:03.639
the film's excellent. Thank you.

02:54:01.879 --> 02:54:05.759
>> Congratulations. You can tell it took a

02:54:03.639 --> 02:54:08.079
tremendous amount of effort. And uh I

02:54:05.760 --> 02:54:09.680
could tell by watching you watch it when

02:54:08.079 --> 02:54:12.239
we watched it together that it had an

02:54:09.680 --> 02:54:12.559
insane impact on you. It it really

02:54:12.239 --> 02:54:14.760
affected me.

02:54:12.559 --> 02:54:17.399
>> before I saw it with you. So, you're

02:54:14.760 --> 02:54:20.079
just seeing it again. It's just like

02:54:17.399 --> 02:54:22.879
it's bonkers. Yeah, it it really

02:54:20.079 --> 02:54:25.479
affected me. And uh

02:54:22.879 --> 02:54:27.159
is Is there anything else you want to

02:54:25.479 --> 02:54:27.719
say? There's a couple things I want to

02:54:27.159 --> 02:54:28.119
bring up.

02:54:27.719 --> 02:54:28.519
>> Okay.

02:54:28.120 --> 02:54:30.120
>> You know.

02:54:28.520 --> 02:54:33.120
>> Yeah. Um

02:54:30.120 --> 02:54:35.160
Just because I stuff Luigi has told me,

02:54:33.120 --> 02:54:37.500
people think that I make millions of

02:54:35.159 --> 02:54:37.959
dollars off of this stuff.

02:54:37.500 --> 02:54:40.360
>> [laughter]

02:54:37.959 --> 02:54:42.319
>> Oh, yeah. And I don't. I would I would

02:54:40.360 --> 02:54:43.960
love to sign on to the millions of

02:54:42.319 --> 02:54:47.039
dollars program. [laughter]

02:54:43.959 --> 02:54:49.359
Um you know, Jeremy made made his movie

02:54:47.040 --> 02:54:51.040
and I didn't get a cent from Jeremy's

02:54:49.360 --> 02:54:53.560
movie. I said, "Anything you make, give

02:54:51.040 --> 02:54:57.000
to George." Um

02:54:53.559 --> 02:54:59.399
you know, it Luigi has spent millions of

02:54:57.000 --> 02:54:59.920
dollars of his own money, literally,

02:54:59.399 --> 02:55:00.440
right?

02:54:59.920 --> 02:55:03.120
>> Literally.

02:55:00.440 --> 02:55:05.079
>> know, making this stuff. And I can't see

02:55:03.120 --> 02:55:07.840
how he's ever going to make the money

02:55:05.079 --> 02:55:11.799
back. If he does, that's awesome. I

02:55:07.840 --> 02:55:12.200
drive a uh 1980-something

02:55:11.799 --> 02:55:14.079
uh

02:55:12.200 --> 02:55:15.000
>> Not a 1980. You drive a

02:55:14.079 --> 02:55:19.520
>> No, 19

02:55:15.000 --> 02:55:22.079
>> 2018 No, a 20 2018 Chevy Bolt electric

02:55:19.520 --> 02:55:24.440
car. I mean, it's a car you'd buy for

02:55:22.079 --> 02:55:27.319
your teenage daughter. It's embarrassing

02:55:24.440 --> 02:55:30.000
to drive. It cost me $18,000.

02:55:27.319 --> 02:55:33.959
You know, my house on the 10 acres cost

02:55:30.000 --> 02:55:35.879
450 grand. And you know, back when I

02:55:33.959 --> 02:55:39.159
when I got it, I mean, that's that's I

02:55:35.879 --> 02:55:42.000
work 6 to 7 days a week at United

02:55:39.159 --> 02:55:43.879
Nuclear, my business. I mean, if there's

02:55:42.000 --> 02:55:45.559
anyone that wants to give me millions of

02:55:43.879 --> 02:55:48.719
dollars, please [laughter]

02:55:45.559 --> 02:55:50.920
contact contact me immediately because I

02:55:48.719 --> 02:55:52.719
would like to retire. But but no, I

02:55:50.920 --> 02:55:56.079
don't make millions of dollars off this

02:55:52.719 --> 02:55:58.639
stuff. And uh I

02:55:56.079 --> 02:56:00.520
I my my wife and I do fine. We grow our

02:55:58.639 --> 02:56:02.239
food in our greenhouse and we live in

02:56:00.520 --> 02:56:05.840
our little place up in the mountains and

02:56:02.239 --> 02:56:08.239
that that that's it. But I um you know,

02:56:05.840 --> 02:56:09.920
this is Luigi's thing. That's why he's

02:56:08.239 --> 02:56:11.119
here. I think the film's going to be

02:56:09.920 --> 02:56:12.440
very successful and I think you're

02:56:11.120 --> 02:56:13.640
probably going to make money off of it.

02:56:12.440 --> 02:56:14.800
At least I'm hoping.

02:56:13.639 --> 02:56:15.751
>> he'll make money off it.

02:56:14.799 --> 02:56:15.759
>> Well,

02:56:15.752 --> 02:56:17.120
>> [laughter]

02:56:15.760 --> 02:56:19.360
>> he'll make money off of it.

02:56:17.120 --> 02:56:20.760
>> I Thank you, Joe. Um

02:56:19.360 --> 02:56:22.680
I think we should wrap it up. Thank you

02:56:20.760 --> 02:56:23.360
very much, Luigi. Knocked it out of the

02:56:22.680 --> 02:56:23.680
park.

02:56:23.360 --> 02:56:25.880
>> you.

02:56:23.680 --> 02:56:27.720
>> It's fantastic. Bob, great to see you

02:56:25.879 --> 02:56:29.506
again, as always. I'm sorry I had to pee

02:56:27.719 --> 02:56:31.079
so much. That's okay.

02:56:29.506 --> 02:56:32.840
>> [laughter]

02:56:31.079 --> 02:56:35.440
>> It's understandable. It's

02:56:32.840 --> 02:56:37.399
understandable. And uh again, the film

02:56:35.440 --> 02:56:39.159
uh let's show it on the screen, Jamie,

02:56:37.399 --> 02:56:40.719
so people can know uh where they could

02:56:39.159 --> 02:56:41.680
see it when they

02:56:40.719 --> 02:56:44.159
when it's available.

02:56:41.680 --> 02:56:45.559
>> Yeah, it's available actually as of

02:56:44.159 --> 02:56:46.840
right now.

02:56:45.559 --> 02:56:47.600
Let's play the trailer. We'll we'll

02:56:46.840 --> 02:56:50.880
we'll end it with

02:56:47.600 --> 02:56:53.000
>> let's do that. S4 The Bob Lazar Story.

02:56:50.879 --> 02:56:56.079
We'll end it with a trailer.

02:56:53.000 --> 02:56:58.920
It's on Amazon and uh We Are Not Alone.

02:56:56.079 --> 02:56:58.920
>> Not Alone, right?

02:57:15.079 --> 02:57:19.120
Physical evidence now exists which

02:57:17.120 --> 02:57:20.840
proves that there is life elsewhere and

02:57:19.120 --> 02:57:23.280
at least one form of that life has been

02:57:20.840 --> 02:57:23.280
here.

02:57:23.760 --> 02:57:29.960
As of 1989, that evidence was in the

02:57:26.399 --> 02:57:32.399
custody of the United States government.

02:57:29.959 --> 02:57:34.959
Between December of 1988 and April of

02:57:32.399 --> 02:57:36.520
1989, I worked as a senior staff

02:57:34.959 --> 02:57:39.959
physicist in what has to be the most

02:57:36.520 --> 02:57:39.960
secret project in history.

02:57:40.239 --> 02:57:45.486
My job in this program was to be part of

02:57:42.239 --> 02:57:46.319
a back-engineering team.

02:57:45.486 --> 02:57:48.399
>> [music]

02:57:46.319 --> 02:57:50.399
>> This particular disk appeared to be in

02:57:48.399 --> 02:57:52.000
excellent condition and because of its

02:57:50.399 --> 02:57:54.879
sleek appearance, I nicknamed it the

02:57:52.000 --> 02:57:54.879
sport model.

02:57:55.159 --> 02:57:59.039
The goal in this program was to see if

02:57:57.520 --> 02:58:02.680
the technology of the disk could be

02:57:59.040 --> 02:58:04.360
duplicated with Earth materials.

02:58:02.680 --> 02:58:07.200
To start up the reactor, of course, we

02:58:04.360 --> 02:58:10.360
need [music] some element 115.

02:58:07.200 --> 02:58:12.760
In fact, you need 223 g machined into a

02:58:10.360 --> 02:58:14.560
wedge like this.

02:58:12.760 --> 02:58:16.960
The program at Area S4 [music] consisted

02:58:14.559 --> 02:58:18.879
of three projects: Project Galileo,

02:58:16.959 --> 02:58:20.439
Project Sidekick, and Project Looking

02:58:18.879 --> 02:58:22.599
Glass.

02:58:20.440 --> 02:58:24.760
The file on top was [music] Project

02:58:22.600 --> 02:58:28.280
Galileo. And as it turned out, that's

02:58:24.760 --> 02:58:30.683
the project that I was part of. And that

02:58:28.280 --> 02:58:32.000
clearly

02:58:30.683 --> 02:58:33.600
[music]

02:58:32.000 --> 02:58:37.159
referred to

02:58:33.600 --> 02:58:37.159
alien spacecraft.

02:58:38.360 --> 02:58:41.560
Just cannot be a secret from

02:58:40.680 --> 02:58:42.800
from anyone, [music] not just the

02:58:41.559 --> 02:58:45.399
American people, but the rest of the

02:58:42.799 --> 02:58:45.399
world.

02:58:48.360 --> 02:58:53.079
All this stuff is something that

02:58:49.559 --> 02:58:53.079
happened to him. It's not who he is.

02:58:55.120 --> 02:59:01.120
They're doing everything they can to

02:58:57.360 --> 02:59:01.120
keep this information secret.

02:59:02.959 --> 02:59:09.039
That's empirical evidence. I saw a craft

02:59:05.520 --> 02:59:09.040
to do that, thanks to him.

02:59:09.327 --> 02:59:12.879
>> [music]

02:59:09.440 --> 02:59:12.880
>> Help this story spills.

02:59:13.920 --> 02:59:16.799
And the world change.

02:59:23.479 --> 02:59:25.799
Bye.

02:59:29.634 --> 02:59:31.653
>> [music]