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WHAT'S UP, GENTLEMEN? HEY, JOE. [music]

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Great to see you again, Bob. Same here.

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Long time.

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>> Luigi, Joe. Um you are still to this day

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the most watched ever podcast we have

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ever done that's on YouTube.

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>> That's That's just unreal. It's unreal.

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It is unreal cuz it shows you how many

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people are just absolutely fascinated by

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the story and what you guys have done in

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this new film

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is essentially recreate S-4 and using AI

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recreate you as a young man and these

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experiences that you had and it was

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really excellent. Luigi, uh you're the

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one who put the film together. You

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figured it all out and first of all,

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what was the technology that you guys

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used to recreate everything you guys

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>> I just want to say there's there's about

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10% AI in the film, but there's 90%

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Blender. And that's actually handmade

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CGI. So, everything you see is all

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scanned Bob, we went over to his house,

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scanned his face, took a process of

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de-aging him through that, then creating

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a digital model of Bob in different

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ages, and then placing him in the

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environment. And then

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in some instances at the very end, we

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perfected or kind of put a bow on it

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with a little touch of AI, but the whole

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thing is handmade. So, the craft, the

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environment, the Papoose Lake, the the

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the facility, the equipment, and the

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people were all made. And some of the

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people are actually real actors that we

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put in there. So, it's not It's It's a

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the film is a guy called Luis Martinez

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that's been working with me for the past

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10 years and he laughs at it cuz he

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says, "I can't believe I'm Barry." You

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know, so Does he look anything like

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Barry? Actually, he does. He does.

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That's why we chose him. Yeah, yeah.

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Where is Barry The actual Barry now?

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I don't know, you know, I kind of

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thought at one point after all this

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happened, we would at least hear from

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one of those guys.

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But, uh I never heard from anybody after

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you know, after the the initial

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the release of all the information,

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It seems like Well, I don't know. If

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people are able to keep secrets for this

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long, it's got to be very difficult to

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just blurt it out. Like, if you know, if

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you're holding on to a secret for 20,

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30, 40 years, you're

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lifers, though. Yeah. I mean, they spent

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most of their time there. They spent at

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least 2 weeks at a time and had 1 week

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off. So, they stayed at the base. I

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mean, these guys were hardcore.

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I had just come in on the project. You

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to him. I'd love to know.

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supervisor, died. I've seen people track

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him down, you know, all the way to point

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to speaking to his family and they said,

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"Yeah, he had some classified job out in

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the desert or something." And they

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showed me his gravestone and stuff. So,

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they were able to track him down, but

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it in a film? Cuz I mean, it essentially

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direction, for lack of a better word,

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your description of it, you you telling

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them exactly every everything was laid

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mind-blowing because as I've said to

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Luigi, it looks like you guys downloaded

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hundred times and until you actually

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make a a picture, it doesn't become

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clear.

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from when I first met Luigi and he said,

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"Yeah, I can do this." And um

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the quality kept improving to where he

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started showing me pictures and I went,

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"Jesus, that's That's really it. It's

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not really it. It's really it." And uh

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where I could put goggles on and move

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around inside. I mean, that made the

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hair stand up on my arms. It was It was

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unbelievable. So, um

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how that made me feel, but it felt like

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talent. I said, you know, I'm behind

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this and uh flew out to Canada a couple

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and going, "No, that's right. That's the

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wrong color. Move this here. Do that."

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working on it. And um

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you know, what they And they never

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showed me anything, you know, I'd speak

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month and you know, he'd always say,

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show me."

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anything till close to the end, but when

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really, without trying to sound

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dramatic, it really put tears in my eyes

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going that it

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that's it. That's it. You You did it.

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the pleasure of watching the movie with

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you and sitting there with you where

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documentary in that regard. And And

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watching it with you, seeing you

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experience this thing, and then me

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brought in on this thing without much

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explanation, and then all of a sudden

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you're confronted by this craft. And you

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the film and you get to actually see you

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presence of this thing for the first

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time. It's just I could just only

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what that must have been like for you.

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again and see your wheels spin. You're

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like, "What the happened [laughter]

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to my life, man? Right. What did they do

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make me experience? Like, what the hell?

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not ready yet. I don't want to show you

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something." But, at a certain point, we

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really made a big difference when he

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when he showed me some things and, you

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know, walking down the corridor here and

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turn, "Oh, stop. Wait, there's another

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door there." I mean, it was like I was

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going back into the facility and uh

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really brought I mean, actually seeing

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fascinating is

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for people that don't know your story,

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you came up with the story, you talked

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to George Knapp in Was it '89?

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exact same story all these years. And

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there was the GoFast video and the FLIR

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video, and all these videos that show a

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craft that's moving the way you

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described this sport model moving.

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people out with the way it rotated and

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faces at the bottom towards where it's

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want to go, and then it it takes off and

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yeah. It's exactly how you described all

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those years ago, which is really

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was. But, it's just It's It's crazy

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because you had this story way, way, way

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back then and everybody's like, "This

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guy's just making things up. This is all

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cockamamie bullshit."

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And then you see those videos from these

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fighter jets and you're like, "Whoa.

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Wait a minute. This is It's moving the

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exact same way he described. It's doing

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what he described in 1989."

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>> Cheers. Cuz it's so weird. I can't I

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mean, I've had so many conversations

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with people. And you know, one of the

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things that comes up is uh do you think

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Bob Lazar's telling the truth?

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And I say, "Look, I don't know. There's

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no way I can know, but he doesn't seem

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like he's lying. I've been around a lot

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>> Look, nobody can know unless you're

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it says I'm a conspiracy

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theorist or something.

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>> Yeah, conspiracy theorist. I think it

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says I'm a far-right podcaster. Yeah,

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all right. I mean,

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>> [laughter]

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>> yeah, it's crazy. But,

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dog, I lost my train of thought

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now.

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Well, they that that if if you if like

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basically are you a conspiracy theorist?

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No, you don't even look at this stuff.

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>> Well, you've had if you have a lie, you

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have one lie. It's amazing cuz you've

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told the same one for all these years.

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>> It's a pretty detailed lie. It's also

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not normal. Like, normally when people

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lie, they get bored with the same lie

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and then they come up with another lie

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and then there's some other story.

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There's some You catch them. Eventually,

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you catch them. There's some cockamamie

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new thing that they come up with and

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it's the type of people that are that

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deceptive. I mean, it's just it doesn't

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make sense. It doesn't fit the standard

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model of someone

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>> Well, there are other people involved

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with it. I mean, uh you know, this is

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where the first time Gene Huff finally

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is on film, you know, cuz when I had the

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you know, the test flight information,

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um it was one of the not one of the was

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the first person I told about that and

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uh you know, we were all able to go out

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and and see it and so everybody knew

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that I wasn't crazy.

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Um

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it was And then also all the

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confirmation that you were being

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with. That you know, when you're in the

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gym, they would show up and open up your

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lock car doors and open up your trunk

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and leave it there so you'd go out there

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and see it.

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They'd go to your house when you weren't

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there. Yeah, they were even Right, they

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were even following George Knapp and and

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uh

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I mean, all of us. Anybody that had

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anything to do with it at that time. Uh

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they were keeping eyes on. It was uh Not

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just eyes, but a lot of intimidation

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tactics. Just letting you know

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letting you know that they could touch

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you. Yeah.

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To I I've really worked for decades to

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push this out of my mind. So, it's

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always tough to bring it back, you know,

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and and talk about it. And it's Yeah,

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although it might be funny now, it

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wasn't funny then at all. Um it was a

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really stressful time.

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And still

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is a very stressful thing for me. I know

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it's so many years ago, but do you

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remember the thought that came in your

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mind when you realized that it wasn't

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ours?

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Do I remember the thought? Do you

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remember the experience? Yeah, I

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remember I remember the feeling.

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>> Of recognize cuz initially, you saw the

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American flag sticking out.

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>> saw the American flag when I first went

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in it the first time I went in through

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the hangar door instead of around the

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back, um

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you know, I slid my hand across it, saw

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the American flag and I thought, "Oh my

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god, you know, this explains the UFO

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nuts, you know?" Um It's ours. Yeah,

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this is ours. This is a new top secret

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fighter. We can't with a new propulsion

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system and uh

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you know, it it explains everything

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because I never believed in flying

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saucers. I thought people were nuts.

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Um

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But, when they started reviewing

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everything with me, they were trying I

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was trying to replace somebody or they

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were trying to use me to replace

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somebody as quick as possible.

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And um

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they had two directives.

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One was to

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Directive one was to duplicate the

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technology with available material at

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any cost, which is exact verbatim what

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it was, and directive two was to be able

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to disable this technology at a distance

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at any cost.

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And

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you know, once you start thinking about

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that,

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Wait, don't you guys know how the thing

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you built worked? And it's kind of like

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they left that out. That this [laughter]

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this By the way, this isn't ours. And

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Barry is the guy that filled me in

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going, "No, no, no. This is an alien

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craft and

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we need to figure out how this works.

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Look at the technology here. I mean,

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this is decades, light years ahead of

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where we are.

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And uh

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I I it it it was a

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it was a shock, really, to me. I

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remember going home that night and just

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laying in bed and reviewing everything

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that everybody said that day. And uh

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I really don't remember

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how I felt

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the following days, but I it was just a

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different It was just a different

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feeling. Like the world just changed.

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>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it was

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I don't know. I really can't put it into

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words. Well, I couldn't imagine. I

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couldn't imagine what that experience is

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like. And it's also very strange that

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they would bring you in and not

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specifically state to you that this is

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not ours.

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They just bring you in and just give you

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a directive. This is your what you were

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trying to accomplish. Well, they gave me

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the they gave me a bunch of briefings.

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Everything was moving at a very fast

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pace and I don't know why. Um

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I think I mentioned in the movie

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uh

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right prior to I got there, there

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there were Russians involved in it. You

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know, from what I can ascertain, there

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was an exchange of information and then

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we discovered something, something of

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great importance. And of of course,

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kicked the Russians out and just held

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onto that information ourselves. And uh

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there was kind of a knowledge vacuum

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there. There was also an accident and I

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was told I was replacing someone

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uh

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that was injured. I believe he actually

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died. Um There's no record of who this

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person was or has anybody ever tried to

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figure out it out?

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>> I don't know. I don't have any names. I

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just know that Barry told me, you know,

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I'm replacing somebody that he used to

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work with and he was without a lab

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partner for a while. So, when I came in

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there, um How long's a while?

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I don't know, but I mean, that brings up

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a good point.

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First of all, we're dealing with alien

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or another civilization technology,

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whether it, you know, it's from another

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dimension, another time, another planet.

439
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I mean, who really knows? Um

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So,

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I'll eventually get to answer the

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question here, but uh

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wouldn't you think this place would be

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more like the lunar receiving lab where

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everything is white? You know, so you

446
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can see a speck of dust. There's

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everything is sterile.

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People are being extremely careful with

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what they're doing, but you're not

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seeing that.

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This is in now something akin to an

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aircraft hangar in the middle of the

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desert. There's dust on everything.

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People are taking everything

455
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nonchalantly. There's a There's a

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freaking poster about the thing, you

457
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know, a there here poster there. Um

458
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Thank you, Luigi, for getting me that.

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We got to figure out a place for that.

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We'll put it in here somewhere. It's

461
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awesome. I mean, but but I mean, they

462
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went to the trouble of making a poster.

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They actually I think right here. That's

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a good place.

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>> That right there. That's a good spot

466
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right there. Um but they uh I mean, they

467
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actually cut one of the amplifiers out

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of the craft. So, that my point is

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>> This is in the film as well. You could

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see.

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>> Yeah, but my my point is it's so

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nonchalant

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at this point. When they first had it,

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it had to be at that level. And they

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became so used to it,

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so familiar with it

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that, you know, to them it just became

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like another

479
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you know, fighter aircraft or something

480
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from another country. So, it's uh

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It must have been there a long time as

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what my point is.

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Because Look, as soon as you have

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something that unique,

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you don't let it just sit there in a

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hangar and be exposed to the environment

487
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and have security people walking by and

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people touching it. I mean, it's in an

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isolated, sealed, secure environment and

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they were past that. So, I think it had

491
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been there for a decade or decades.

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A long time. And these guys were

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intimately familiar with it, not afraid

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of it, you know, and

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knew what was going on. So, they

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essentially had gotten just completely

497
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acclimated to the fact that this craft

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exists, that it was there, and there had

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been relatively little progress as far

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as figuring it out and figuring out what

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it does and how to recreate it. So, it

502
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just kind of sat there. And so, I think

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they were making very little progress

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and I think they kept going over the

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same road again and again and they

506
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probably had other experts there and

507
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just didn't and I think the reason I got

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hired is cuz I was a guy out in left

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field that didn't necessarily follow

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what was going on. I mean, the biggest

511
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distractors in the

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in in

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you know,

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to me, anyway, in the story, um are

515
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other scientists, other physicists

516
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going, "Well, they would have hired me

517
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because I'm the top guy in the field."

518
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Yeah, you you probably are, but I think

519
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they hired plenty of you guys and you

520
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just kept going down the same road and

521
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didn't do anything. I think they were

522
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looking for somebody that just would

523
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have some radical idea and just to push

524
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the,

525
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you know, the project forward because

526
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everything had stalled when I got there.

527
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And it was I think they were just in a

528
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desperate move to make some progress.

529
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One of the things you talked about in

530
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the first podcast that I think is really

531
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important is that the only way for

532
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science to really progress is that

533
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these various

534
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scientists have to be able to

535
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communicate and you have to be able to

536
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share ideas and you have to be able to

537
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collaborate but that's not how this was

538
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run because it was so top secret

539
00:20:02,079 --> 00:20:06,679
everything was compartmentalized.

540
00:20:04,480 --> 00:20:08,279
Like the metallurgist weren't talking to

541
00:20:06,680 --> 00:20:11,279
the propulsion people who weren't

542
00:20:08,279 --> 00:20:13,680
talking to if there were biologics

543
00:20:11,279 --> 00:20:16,799
experts like everybody was

544
00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:18,080
>> Super frustrating because I I think I I

545
00:20:16,799 --> 00:20:20,639
don't remember exactly where that

546
00:20:18,079 --> 00:20:23,279
started again it's 40 years ago but I

547
00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:25,520
think it started with uh

548
00:20:23,279 --> 00:20:27,639
with the seats

549
00:20:25,519 --> 00:20:29,400
and uh no it start it started with

550
00:20:27,640 --> 00:20:30,720
actual skin of the craft because

551
00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:32,240
everything looked like it was made from

552
00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:35,279
the same material

553
00:20:32,240 --> 00:20:36,960
and I wanted some information

554
00:20:35,279 --> 00:20:38,480
um

555
00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:40,120
about you know the skin the

556
00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:42,279
superstructure of the craft and they

557
00:20:40,119 --> 00:20:45,039
said no that's that's restricted what's

558
00:20:42,279 --> 00:20:47,359
you know we we need a reason for you to

559
00:20:45,039 --> 00:20:49,200
I I just want to see

560
00:20:47,359 --> 00:20:51,679
if everything is exactly the same

561
00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:53,360
material and what I call the seats in

562
00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:56,400
the craft I still don't know if they

563
00:20:53,359 --> 00:20:57,959
were the seats but they might be I think

564
00:20:56,400 --> 00:21:00,480
it'd be hilarious if they were actually

565
00:20:57,960 --> 00:21:02,240
something else um

566
00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:04,200
but I wanted some information on those

567
00:21:02,240 --> 00:21:05,920
and that was restricted information too

568
00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:08,960
there were other groups working on that

569
00:21:05,920 --> 00:21:10,960
so they compartmentalized stuff so much

570
00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:12,960
there was no exchange of information

571
00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:16,039
between any groups I mean you could

572
00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:17,880
submit a written response that your

573
00:21:16,039 --> 00:21:19,680
supervisor in my case Dennis would have

574
00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:22,560
to carry over and they would have to

575
00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:24,799
approve and you know you'd get a two or

576
00:21:22,559 --> 00:21:26,799
three line response from

577
00:21:24,799 --> 00:21:28,399
you know the other group but it's it's

578
00:21:26,799 --> 00:21:30,440
just that's not how science works

579
00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:34,280
science works on the free exchange of

580
00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:38,080
information and it they they were just

581
00:21:34,279 --> 00:21:40,559
killing themselves with security and it

582
00:21:38,079 --> 00:21:43,039
would it was really frustrating it was

583
00:21:40,559 --> 00:21:45,839
terribly frustrating. So was this a

584
00:21:43,039 --> 00:21:47,559
function of security people people that

585
00:21:45,839 --> 00:21:49,279
are concentrating on talk top secret

586
00:21:47,559 --> 00:21:51,200
that don't truly understand how

587
00:21:49,279 --> 00:21:53,359
collaborative science works?

588
00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:55,640
>> that's it right there you can stop right

589
00:21:53,359 --> 00:21:57,919
there they had no idea how that works.

590
00:21:55,640 --> 00:22:01,560
>> Because it stands to reason that

591
00:21:57,920 --> 00:22:05,440
whatever that thing was made out of

592
00:22:01,559 --> 00:22:08,839
probably in some way interacts with the

593
00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:12,120
propulsion system and whatever controls

594
00:22:08,839 --> 00:22:15,439
that are in it that this material has to

595
00:22:12,119 --> 00:22:18,439
be particularly unique. Exactly that's

596
00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:20,400
exactly my point and I suspected the

597
00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:21,519
material was an electric. You know what

598
00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:24,440
an electric is?

599
00:22:21,519 --> 00:22:27,839
>> No. Okay you know like a magnet

600
00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:29,759
a permanent magnet is like

601
00:22:27,839 --> 00:22:32,639
you know it's a magnet it's forever it's

602
00:22:29,759 --> 00:22:35,679
a magnet it has a magnetic field an

603
00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:38,920
electric is a material that has a

604
00:22:35,679 --> 00:22:41,720
permanent static field to it.

605
00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:45,240
A static electric field to it and

606
00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:47,960
I strongly suspected that's that the

607
00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:50,480
craft was made out of an electric and I

608
00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:52,960
was not because again that's the

609
00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:55,240
material science guys I was not allowed

610
00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:58,200
to connect that to but

611
00:22:55,240 --> 00:23:00,799
that's so important to connect it to the

612
00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:03,679
propulsion system and how the propulsion

613
00:23:00,799 --> 00:23:05,720
system uh interacts with the amplifier

614
00:23:03,679 --> 00:23:07,880
of the emitters and I just I

615
00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:12,120
I wasn't allowed you know the

616
00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:12,120
information I needed so it was uh

617
00:23:12,799 --> 00:23:16,240
I don't know it it it was self-defeating

618
00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:18,400
is what it was.

619
00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:21,920
>> It seems like they were treating it like

620
00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:25,720
a fighter jet or automobile like in an

621
00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:28,279
automobile you have the outer area the

622
00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:31,079
shell of the car you have the doors the

623
00:23:28,279 --> 00:23:32,279
skins the hood the roof all that stuff

624
00:23:31,079 --> 00:23:34,599
which is meant but then you have the

625
00:23:32,279 --> 00:23:36,519
propulsion system which is the engine

626
00:23:34,599 --> 00:23:38,519
and the transmission and the tires and

627
00:23:36,519 --> 00:23:41,039
the wheels and the suspension

628
00:23:38,519 --> 00:23:43,079
but they're all not connected they're

629
00:23:41,039 --> 00:23:45,039
connected cuz they're bolted together

630
00:23:43,079 --> 00:23:48,159
but they have different functions I

631
00:23:45,039 --> 00:23:50,599
think the idea the concept at least is

632
00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:53,880
as I'm gathering from you is that this

633
00:23:50,599 --> 00:23:56,000
thing all worked as a cohesive unit.

634
00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:57,679
>> Right with no physical connection

635
00:23:56,000 --> 00:24:00,799
between

636
00:23:57,679 --> 00:24:02,480
you know between the subsystems.

637
00:24:00,799 --> 00:24:04,119
And all of it made out of the same

638
00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:06,559
material.

639
00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:08,479
At least on the outside at least on the

640
00:24:06,559 --> 00:24:12,000
outside all made of the same material

641
00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:13,559
and the other crafts all had the same

642
00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:17,599
power plant in them.

643
00:24:13,559 --> 00:24:20,678
So that brings to mind you know like uh

644
00:24:17,599 --> 00:24:23,079
like a GM plant that makes a car with a

645
00:24:20,679 --> 00:24:24,320
Chevy 350 and makes you know a dozen

646
00:24:23,079 --> 00:24:27,678
different models to it.

647
00:24:24,319 --> 00:24:30,599
>> Right. So that makes you think about boy

648
00:24:27,679 --> 00:24:32,600
is there a a factory making these things

649
00:24:30,599 --> 00:24:34,359
and

650
00:24:32,599 --> 00:24:36,559
you know your brain can just wander off

651
00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:39,279
in directions but I tried to stick with

652
00:24:36,559 --> 00:24:42,240
just the technology. Um

653
00:24:39,279 --> 00:24:42,960
Did you know who the metallurgist were?

654
00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:45,519
The people that were

655
00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:47,400
>> saw I saw them you know I know them and

656
00:24:45,519 --> 00:24:49,279
Barry we'd go to the lunch room Barry

657
00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:50,440
would point them out you know And you

658
00:24:49,279 --> 00:24:53,240
weren't allowed to communicate with them

659
00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:56,400
at all? Oh hell no you have a a lab

660
00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:59,200
partner which might in in uh

661
00:24:56,400 --> 00:25:00,600
my case it was Barry and you're you have

662
00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:01,840
you're allowed to talk to your lab

663
00:25:00,599 --> 00:25:04,079
partner

664
00:25:01,839 --> 00:25:06,480
but you can't talk to any other group

665
00:25:04,079 --> 00:25:09,599
that has to go through a written request

666
00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:11,559
has to go to your um supervisor and

667
00:25:09,599 --> 00:25:14,000
he'll bring it over to them and they'll

668
00:25:11,559 --> 00:25:14,599
bring it back and so on and so forth but

669
00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:16,799
uh

670
00:25:14,599 --> 00:25:19,599
it's it's ridiculous that

671
00:25:16,799 --> 00:25:21,119
that that it slows down any progress you

672
00:25:19,599 --> 00:25:22,279
might be making.

673
00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:23,079
Which is why they were probably stalled

674
00:25:22,279 --> 00:25:28,000
out for decades.

675
00:25:23,079 --> 00:25:28,000
>> Yeah. Did you ever expressly

676
00:25:28,519 --> 00:25:34,759
communicate to them that you

677
00:25:32,559 --> 00:25:36,960
you theorized at least that this all

678
00:25:34,759 --> 00:25:39,279
could be connected that there's there's

679
00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:41,640
something about the way the metal works

680
00:25:39,279 --> 00:25:43,279
Oh we all knew that.

681
00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:45,880
We all knew that.

682
00:25:43,279 --> 00:25:47,839
Because we'd get requests from other

683
00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:51,080
you know from other groups and you could

684
00:25:47,839 --> 00:25:53,599
tell they're desperate just like we are

685
00:25:51,079 --> 00:25:55,519
and and and fighting against the system.

686
00:25:53,599 --> 00:25:58,079
>> What kind of requests would you get?

687
00:25:55,519 --> 00:26:00,480
Just exactly what we found out you know

688
00:25:58,079 --> 00:26:03,559
what where is the energy being

689
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:06,319
transferred here if the reactor fires up

690
00:26:03,559 --> 00:26:09,079
is there a field present around it or is

691
00:26:06,319 --> 00:26:11,200
the field just absorbed into the emitter

692
00:26:09,079 --> 00:26:14,919
and you can touch the

693
00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:18,319
you know reactor itself and just little

694
00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:19,960
things like that you know if uh

695
00:26:18,319 --> 00:26:23,200
and actually that that was an important

696
00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:26,319
thing when the reactor's operating

697
00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:28,480
is it perfectly tuned the emitter to

698
00:26:26,319 --> 00:26:30,399
where it removes all the energy from the

699
00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:32,400
reactor and pushes it out the bottom and

700
00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:34,920
the answer to that was no I remember

701
00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:36,880
that as a specific request from you know

702
00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:38,640
from one of the groups

703
00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:40,960
the metallurgy group is the one that we

704
00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:42,080
really wanted to hear from.

705
00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:43,720
Uh

706
00:26:42,079 --> 00:26:46,439
and some of the I didn't I don't even

707
00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:48,698
know what some of the other groups were.

708
00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:50,799
But How many groups were there? I

709
00:26:48,698 --> 00:26:52,560
[snorts and clears throat] I don't know.

710
00:26:50,799 --> 00:26:54,759
There were only 22 people there total

711
00:26:52,559 --> 00:26:57,359
including myself.

712
00:26:54,759 --> 00:27:00,319
So um

713
00:26:57,359 --> 00:27:02,119
I I would like for you to tell Joe one

714
00:27:00,319 --> 00:27:04,039
of the things that also interested me

715
00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:07,079
cuz I built the craft is how the

716
00:27:04,039 --> 00:27:09,639
waveguide worked with the ceiling in in

717
00:27:07,079 --> 00:27:10,960
interior and how it blended

718
00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:12,080
if you can explain there was no

719
00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:14,000
telescopic

720
00:27:12,079 --> 00:27:17,678
>> well this is why I we wanted to talk to

721
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:19,200
the metallurgist people. The uh

722
00:27:17,679 --> 00:27:22,120
the reactor that sits on the bottom of

723
00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:23,480
the craft has a little dome over it

724
00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:24,799
and there's something that looks like a

725
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:27,920
pipe

726
00:27:24,799 --> 00:27:30,159
that's slight you can lift it up and

727
00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:33,519
take the reactor out put the reactor in

728
00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:36,040
and lift it down but you know like a

729
00:27:33,519 --> 00:27:38,160
antenna works on an old walkie-talkie it

730
00:27:36,039 --> 00:27:40,039
has different sections

731
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:42,040
There it is there's from the video.

732
00:27:40,039 --> 00:27:44,039
There it is yeah yeah okay

733
00:27:42,039 --> 00:27:46,759
um

734
00:27:44,039 --> 00:27:51,599
you can retract the pipe but there's no

735
00:27:46,759 --> 00:27:54,279
sections and it doesn't get any thicker.

736
00:27:51,599 --> 00:27:56,000
It just becomes smaller and if you look

737
00:27:54,279 --> 00:27:58,839
underneath

738
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:59,960
um where the emitters hang down

739
00:27:58,839 --> 00:28:02,000
um

740
00:27:59,960 --> 00:28:02,840
they turn

741
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:05,599
it

742
00:28:02,839 --> 00:28:09,119
and it it it doesn't buckle it's it's a

743
00:28:05,599 --> 00:28:11,919
magical material this is

744
00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:14,399
this is the basis of the craft is really

745
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:17,560
the material that it's made of it's a

746
00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:19,960
it's amazing the way it works.

747
00:28:17,559 --> 00:28:21,359
It just you can push it into a small

748
00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:24,200
volume

749
00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:26,439
and it doesn't change at all it doesn't

750
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:28,080
it doesn't get bigger physically

751
00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:29,519
it's um

752
00:28:28,079 --> 00:28:31,639
I don't really know how to describe

753
00:28:29,519 --> 00:28:33,000
>> lifting the pipe up and down but it's

754
00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:34,759
not going anywhere.

755
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:37,200
>> you had a big pipe

756
00:28:34,759 --> 00:28:39,640
and you push it together it has to get

757
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:43,720
thicker Right. because the material has

758
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:46,080
to go somewhere this doesn't.

759
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:49,600
Okay it stays in exactly the same

760
00:28:46,079 --> 00:28:51,799
dimensions it just becomes smaller.

761
00:28:49,599 --> 00:28:53,199
How? Well

762
00:28:51,799 --> 00:28:53,720
>> couldn't talk to the metallurgist so you

763
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:55,919
had no idea.

764
00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:58,600
>> yeah but those guys knew how. They did

765
00:28:55,919 --> 00:29:00,600
know how. I well Well they know it did

766
00:28:58,599 --> 00:29:02,559
it. They know it they know it did it and

767
00:29:00,599 --> 00:29:04,959
that's their job so I imagine they have

768
00:29:02,559 --> 00:29:06,039
more information than I did.

769
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:08,200
Um

770
00:29:06,039 --> 00:29:11,399
but that was fascinating.

771
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:13,319
It really was. And the uh

772
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:15,480
the waveguides that hold the emitters

773
00:29:13,319 --> 00:29:18,759
they come down and the emitters can turn

774
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:20,720
and bend and the pipes bend and nothing

775
00:29:18,759 --> 00:29:22,960
changes in them.

776
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:27,440
It's

777
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:29,600
and there's no wires or anything to make

778
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:32,120
the pipe bend

779
00:29:29,599 --> 00:29:34,480
um

780
00:29:32,119 --> 00:29:36,119
I'm I'm trying to relate it to something

781
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:38,120
but I can't think of anything to relate

782
00:29:36,119 --> 00:29:39,479
it to.

783
00:29:38,119 --> 00:29:41,119
Well one thing that you said that I I

784
00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:43,640
also thought was fascinating there's no

785
00:29:41,119 --> 00:29:44,000
seams so everything looks like it's 3D

786
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:45,320
printed.

787
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:48,279
>> Again right it comes down to the

788
00:29:45,319 --> 00:29:50,679
material. Which at the time 3D printers

789
00:29:48,279 --> 00:29:53,440
weren't real, right? They Yeah, at the

790
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:54,799
time that really confused me. I said,

791
00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:56,360
"How did they build this?" It must have

792
00:29:54,799 --> 00:29:59,319
been built

793
00:29:56,359 --> 00:30:01,439
out of wax or something and then melted.

794
00:29:59,319 --> 00:30:03,439
Um cuz you can't build anything without

795
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:05,480
seams. And then 3D printing came into

796
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:09,799
existence and you know, you can you

797
00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:11,360
could build stuff from layers up. Um

798
00:30:09,799 --> 00:30:13,639
That made sense.

799
00:30:11,359 --> 00:30:15,679
I know, some sort of 3D printer or they

800
00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:18,400
grew it uh

801
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:20,000
you know, a in some

802
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:23,800
It of course is not a crystal in

803
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:23,799
fashion, but um

804
00:30:24,079 --> 00:30:27,679
I I don't know how that was fabricated,

805
00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:29,800
but it was fabricated different than

806
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:31,920
anything that we have. I don't even

807
00:30:29,799 --> 00:30:35,159
think it was 3D printed.

808
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:38,400
And so you never got any inkling or any

809
00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:40,720
understanding of what the metal was,

810
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:43,200
what what what kind of an alloy, what it

811
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:45,039
consisted of?

812
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:47,000
All I can say it was cold to the touch

813
00:30:45,039 --> 00:30:48,839
cuz the you know, when I when I touched

814
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:51,079
it, but um

815
00:30:48,839 --> 00:30:54,399
I can't say it was a if it was a ceramic

816
00:30:51,079 --> 00:30:57,359
or I say it was metal cuz it was cold.

817
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:58,560
Um Cuz it looks like metal. And this is

818
00:30:57,359 --> 00:31:01,319
>> Yeah, it looks like metal. Does that

819
00:30:58,559 --> 00:31:03,240
this is the Designs by Perry um

820
00:31:01,319 --> 00:31:05,319
version of it. Does that How much does

821
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:06,960
that look like it? No, that's 100%.

822
00:31:05,319 --> 00:31:07,720
That's it.

823
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:10,160
Yeah, that's that's

824
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:10,960
>> to have the the first ripple is supposed

825
00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:13,720
to be black.

826
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:16,559
>> right. See? Yeah.

827
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:17,720
So, Luigi has gone over this so many

828
00:31:16,559 --> 00:31:18,279
times. Yeah.

829
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:19,920
>> uh

830
00:31:18,279 --> 00:31:21,359
the There's an insulator ring in there.

831
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:23,120
Jimmy, show what it looks like in the

832
00:31:21,359 --> 00:31:24,799
film. If you could show one of the

833
00:31:23,119 --> 00:31:25,919
images. I don't know.

834
00:31:24,799 --> 00:31:26,839
I was pulling them off the trailer and I

835
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:27,960
don't

836
00:31:26,839 --> 00:31:28,879
They might not They've been holding that

837
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:31,200
back

838
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:32,880
Yeah, on the trailer there's some shots.

839
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:35,200
>> Yeah, there's there's a ring around it

840
00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:39,280
and we measured the voltage on the craft

841
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:42,480
and there was a a high voltage on it. Um

842
00:31:39,279 --> 00:31:45,039
And above that ring, there is not

843
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:47,039
>> not a good shot. There's probably a

844
00:31:45,039 --> 00:31:49,039
This is the original trailer. It's the

845
00:31:47,039 --> 00:31:51,240
new trailer that would actually [snorts]

846
00:31:49,039 --> 00:31:55,559
Yeah, that one there.

847
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:57,000
And you'll get to see it right

848
00:31:55,559 --> 00:31:59,759
there.

849
00:31:57,000 --> 00:32:01,200
Actually, right after this.

850
00:31:59,759 --> 00:32:02,440
Well, it's actually before this, I

851
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:05,160
believe.

852
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:07,240
You're going to see the craft. And if

853
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:10,240
you see there's a black Right, there's

854
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:13,519
like a black line. Mhm. It's the first

855
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:14,960
ripple that's actually not metal.

856
00:32:13,519 --> 00:32:17,240
Yeah, we call that the Yeah, there it

857
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:19,559
is. That's a good shot. We call We call

858
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:21,480
that the insulator ring because below

859
00:32:19,559 --> 00:32:25,480
that there's a high voltage present on

860
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:26,880
the craft all the time and above that,

861
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:28,679
there isn't.

862
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:30,440
Um

863
00:32:28,679 --> 00:32:32,960
I would imagine that

864
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:36,360
your life has like two completely

865
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:37,559
different chapters. It's before this and

866
00:32:36,359 --> 00:32:40,879
after this.

867
00:32:37,559 --> 00:32:42,599
Whereas like once you see it,

868
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:45,320
the whole rest of your life is now going

869
00:32:42,599 --> 00:32:47,199
to be very different. And you are you

870
00:32:45,319 --> 00:32:49,359
are in in its presence for how long did

871
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:51,559
you work there for?

872
00:32:49,359 --> 00:32:53,119
I don't know, maybe 6 months or so. So,

873
00:32:51,559 --> 00:32:55,359
for 6 months,

874
00:32:53,119 --> 00:32:57,319
you're around this thing.

875
00:32:55,359 --> 00:32:59,359
And I would imagine that's to occupy

876
00:32:57,319 --> 00:33:02,159
your thoughts 24 hours a day.

877
00:32:59,359 --> 00:33:04,279
Well, at the time it did, for sure. It's

878
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:08,200
actually three stages to the life. It's

879
00:33:04,279 --> 00:33:10,599
before it, during, and after it.

880
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:13,039
Before it was just my life, during was

881
00:33:10,599 --> 00:33:14,639
when it happened, and then the after

882
00:33:13,039 --> 00:33:18,240
part of my life is almost trying to

883
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:19,679
dismiss it, you know, to just go on.

884
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:22,359
Yeah, you didn't talk about it for a

885
00:33:19,679 --> 00:33:23,840
long time. I mean, you did the George

886
00:33:22,359 --> 00:33:25,479
Knapp interviews, you talked about it a

887
00:33:23,839 --> 00:33:27,000
little, you made some videos explaining

888
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:28,799
things and how things worked.

889
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:32,200
>> No, I don't I don't really like public

890
00:33:28,799 --> 00:33:33,839
attention and uh I don't really like

891
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:35,400
doing interviews.

892
00:33:33,839 --> 00:33:36,768
Um

893
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:38,788
As [snorts] you probably know.

894
00:33:36,768 --> 00:33:38,788
>> [laughter]

895
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:42,440
>> You know, but um

896
00:33:41,039 --> 00:33:46,200
I know there's people that thrive on

897
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:47,640
that stuff, but you know, uh

898
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:49,200
it

899
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:51,320
I felt privileged to be part of the

900
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:54,480
project, but it left me with an

901
00:33:51,319 --> 00:33:57,678
insatiable appetite. Oh my god, I want

902
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:59,039
to know where it's gone. Like even when

903
00:33:57,679 --> 00:34:02,240
I was there in the '80s, they were

904
00:33:59,039 --> 00:34:03,240
talking about moving the project at that

905
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:04,640
time.

906
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:06,519
So,

907
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:09,119
um

908
00:34:06,519 --> 00:34:12,159
I really I I'm dying to know, is it

909
00:34:09,119 --> 00:34:15,039
still there? Has it moved on Did they

910
00:34:12,159 --> 00:34:16,358
split it up and move it to other places?

911
00:34:15,039 --> 00:34:18,239
Um

912
00:34:16,358 --> 00:34:19,679
Yeah, I remember Barry talking about

913
00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:21,678
moving it to

914
00:34:19,679 --> 00:34:23,280
the South Pacific like in Kwajalein or

915
00:34:21,679 --> 00:34:25,320
something, but they said the expenses

916
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:27,840
were so great, they couldn't do that,

917
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:30,720
but they wanted to be from everybody.

918
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:33,720
And the they hated the fact that it was

919
00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:36,599
right alongside the highway in Nevada,

920
00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:38,279
you know, by south of Area 51.

921
00:34:36,599 --> 00:34:40,358
Uh but that's the best place they had at

922
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:43,080
the time and the most affordable.

923
00:34:40,358 --> 00:34:45,398
And of course now with you know, budgets

924
00:34:43,079 --> 00:34:47,199
being so tight,

925
00:34:45,398 --> 00:34:49,199
who knows where it is. Who knows if

926
00:34:47,199 --> 00:34:51,519
budgets are tight for this, though.

927
00:34:49,199 --> 00:34:54,480
Yeah, that that's true. That's true. I

928
00:34:51,519 --> 00:34:56,960
mean, they did say at whatever expense,

929
00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:58,880
figure this out. Yeah, they were serious

930
00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:59,240
about that. We don't really care what it

931
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:01,720
was.

932
00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:03,799
>> It's like the original Apollo program.

933
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:06,000
You know, back in the Apollo program, if

934
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:07,560
they needed parts

935
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:09,960
and if somebody had something ordered

936
00:35:07,559 --> 00:35:11,759
UPS or through the mail or whatever,

937
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:14,159
they had the authority to stop that

938
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:16,160
shipment to that other person and take

939
00:35:14,159 --> 00:35:17,879
their stuff if they needed it. And you

940
00:35:16,159 --> 00:35:19,279
know, they had an unlimited budget. I

941
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:21,599
mean, if you're working like that, you

942
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:24,040
could do anything.

943
00:35:21,599 --> 00:35:25,880
And uh Or at least anything that's

944
00:35:24,039 --> 00:35:28,000
currently possible with today's

945
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:29,720
technology. There you go. Which therein

946
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:32,079
lies the problem is that they're dealing

947
00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:34,759
with something that's not possible with

948
00:35:32,079 --> 00:35:38,039
like you couldn't build it from scratch

949
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:42,000
with American technology in 1989.

950
00:35:38,039 --> 00:35:42,000
No, but that's what they wanted to do.

951
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:46,840
And really thinking about that now, I'm

952
00:35:45,119 --> 00:35:48,880
not sure

953
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:51,160
I'm not [laughter] exactly sure these

954
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:53,599
guys should be allowed to do that. This

955
00:35:51,159 --> 00:35:56,159
is really powerful technology and the

956
00:35:53,599 --> 00:35:58,519
world has really changed. I mean, we

957
00:35:56,159 --> 00:36:02,039
have a lot of crazy people doing stuff

958
00:35:58,519 --> 00:36:03,920
now and nonsense

959
00:36:02,039 --> 00:36:05,679
transmits through the population at the

960
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:07,119
speed of light.

961
00:36:05,679 --> 00:36:09,079
And uh

962
00:36:07,119 --> 00:36:12,079
you know, I don't know. This can be a

963
00:36:09,079 --> 00:36:13,559
very powerful world-conquering

964
00:36:12,079 --> 00:36:15,079
technology

965
00:36:13,559 --> 00:36:17,159
and

966
00:36:15,079 --> 00:36:19,519
Look, for 40 years, I think I've said

967
00:36:17,159 --> 00:36:21,759
this before, for 40 years, all the

968
00:36:19,519 --> 00:36:24,320
people in control of this information

969
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:27,080
have all agreed to keep it quiet. And

970
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:28,720
these aren't idiots.

971
00:36:27,079 --> 00:36:31,480
These aren't idiots for 40 years. You

972
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:34,000
have a line of people that all have

973
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:35,679
agreed, "No, let's not say anything. No,

974
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:37,679
let's not say anything. No, let's not

975
00:36:35,679 --> 00:36:40,199
say anything." There has to be a reason

976
00:36:37,679 --> 00:36:43,239
why.

977
00:36:40,199 --> 00:36:46,719
And if they all agreed to that,

978
00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:47,199
maybe I'm the

979
00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:50,559
>> [laughter]

980
00:36:47,199 --> 00:36:52,079
>> No, really. Maybe they're right and

981
00:36:50,559 --> 00:36:54,119
Maybe you would have figured that out if

982
00:36:52,079 --> 00:36:56,880
you kept working for them. Yeah, I don't

983
00:36:54,119 --> 00:36:59,480
know, but I'm increasingly thinking

984
00:36:56,880 --> 00:37:01,880
I'm the one that made the mistake. Maybe

985
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:03,679
this is supposed to be

986
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:06,840
just kept quiet.

987
00:37:03,679 --> 00:37:09,960
Yeah, but that doesn't ring true.

988
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:13,160
Cuz cuz I don't think it's ever healthy

989
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:15,639
if small groups of individuals have

990
00:37:13,159 --> 00:37:17,599
information that would change our

991
00:37:15,639 --> 00:37:19,199
understanding of where we are.

992
00:37:17,599 --> 00:37:20,799
>> Yeah, there's that. There's that.

993
00:37:19,199 --> 00:37:22,319
>> It's I don't think they

994
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:23,920
I don't think they deserve it. I don't

995
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:25,760
think it's right. I don't think it makes

996
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:27,000
any sense. I think you have an

997
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:28,720
obligation to

998
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:32,519
>> But really think about it. What if it's

999
00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:32,519
something that's really dramatic?

1000
00:37:32,639 --> 00:37:35,079
Like how so? Like what do you think

1001
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:37,240
would be like?

1002
00:37:35,079 --> 00:37:40,039
I don't know. May maybe I mean, what if

1003
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:43,599
it's I'm not saying this is what it is,

1004
00:37:40,039 --> 00:37:46,440
but I mean, what if it's like

1005
00:37:43,599 --> 00:37:48,119
you know, like like we raise cows out in

1006
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:50,480
a field and just feed them grass and

1007
00:37:48,119 --> 00:37:52,159
they're just going to be food.

1008
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:53,960
What if it's something like that? What

1009
00:37:52,159 --> 00:37:56,639
if we're just like, you know, a a

1010
00:37:53,960 --> 00:38:00,119
population of creatures that are just to

1011
00:37:56,639 --> 00:38:02,480
be consumed in some way?

1012
00:38:00,119 --> 00:38:04,519
I don't know if we're to be consumed,

1013
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:06,599
but I do think we are

1014
00:38:04,519 --> 00:38:07,119
>> Not physically consumed like eaten, but

1015
00:38:06,599 --> 00:38:09,319
I mean

1016
00:38:07,119 --> 00:38:10,400
>> I think we have a task.

1017
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:13,600
And

1018
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:16,760
I'm uh more and more convinced as time

1019
00:38:13,599 --> 00:38:19,000
goes on that we were engineered.

1020
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:20,720
I don't think we came about as a normal

1021
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:21,440
evolutionary process like all the other

1022
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:23,439
animals.

1023
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:24,840
>> I agree with that. I I really agree with

1024
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:27,079
that, too. There's a lot of people that

1025
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:29,640
think that. It just doesn't make sense

1026
00:38:27,079 --> 00:38:31,440
objectively. I mean, without seeming

1027
00:38:29,639 --> 00:38:32,960
like a cook

1028
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:34,800
or someone who buys into conspiracy

1029
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:39,320
theories, if you just look at all the

1030
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:41,440
other biology on Earth, why is one so

1031
00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:44,080
uniquely able to manipulate its

1032
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:46,119
environment, communicate instantaneously

1033
00:38:44,079 --> 00:38:48,519
at distance, do

1034
00:38:46,119 --> 00:38:50,920
can't really even exist in its

1035
00:38:48,519 --> 00:38:53,159
environment in most places that it lives

1036
00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:54,800
without clothes and shelter. We're a

1037
00:38:53,159 --> 00:38:56,920
weird animal.

1038
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:59,760
We're we're very strange. Like we don't

1039
00:38:56,920 --> 00:39:01,800
seem to have normally adapted to our

1040
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:04,600
environment with the way we've

1041
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:07,440
completely controlled our environment

1042
00:39:04,599 --> 00:39:10,759
with air conditioning and electricity

1043
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:13,840
and electronics and flight and travel.

1044
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:16,120
We're so beyond everything else that

1045
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:19,358
evolved. Whereas every other animal,

1046
00:39:16,119 --> 00:39:23,440
predator or prey, plant eater or meat

1047
00:39:19,358 --> 00:39:25,880
eater, all seems to cohesively exist

1048
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:28,559
inside of its ecosystem. And then you

1049
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:31,079
have us, which is like Yeah, yeah.

1050
00:39:28,559 --> 00:39:34,119
almost like an invasive species. Like

1051
00:39:31,079 --> 00:39:35,880
invasive species destroy ecosystems like

1052
00:39:34,119 --> 00:39:37,960
because they don't belong there. Mhm.

1053
00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:39,880
Well, that's kind of what we do. Like we

1054
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:42,119
suck all the fish out of the ocean, we

1055
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:44,800
pollute the rivers with our technology,

1056
00:39:42,119 --> 00:39:47,920
we, you know, mess up underground water

1057
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:50,480
systems with fracking and drill we we're

1058
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:52,519
like an invasive species in a lot of

1059
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:54,240
ways. Yeah.

1060
00:39:52,519 --> 00:39:56,400
Yeah. We're really weird.

1061
00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:59,679
>> can't argue with that at all.

1062
00:39:56,400 --> 00:40:01,920
Yeah, this Tim Burchett thing. Um so Tim

1063
00:39:59,679 --> 00:40:04,679
Burchett has recently been talking about

1064
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:06,440
this and the he can't talk about it

1065
00:40:04,679 --> 00:40:08,079
because it's classified, but he said

1066
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:09,559
you'd be up at night with the things

1067
00:40:08,079 --> 00:40:10,599
that I've seen

1068
00:40:09,559 --> 00:40:13,279
if the things that I've seen have

1069
00:40:10,599 --> 00:40:13,279
released.

1070
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:16,400
Yeah.

1071
00:40:14,639 --> 00:40:18,359
He said we just needed to close disclose

1072
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:20,720
it all. I'm sick of it.

1073
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:22,400
Uh I well I was briefed and I will tell

1074
00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:24,279
you this. I was briefed last week on an

1075
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:26,720
issue or excuse me 2 weeks ago and it

1076
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:29,240
would have set the earth on this country

1077
00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:31,319
would have become unglued. I think if

1078
00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:33,199
they would have heard all that I heard.

1079
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:35,880
Well, this is what I was talking about.

1080
00:40:33,199 --> 00:40:37,919
If you know,

1081
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:39,760
it's not like there's a bunch of space

1082
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:41,320
brothers coming down going, "Oh, look

1083
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:44,040
what we discovered, you know, here I

1084
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:46,440
have some information and you know, uh

1085
00:40:44,039 --> 00:40:49,079
what if it's not that? What if all the

1086
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:50,519
information is bad?"

1087
00:40:49,079 --> 00:40:52,519
But what would be bad? Like have you

1088
00:40:50,519 --> 00:40:54,800
ever thought about this? Tried to like

1089
00:40:52,519 --> 00:40:55,880
play it out to its natural conclusion?

1090
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:57,519
Like what do you think the scenarios

1091
00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:59,119
could be that's bad? I don't know.

1092
00:40:57,519 --> 00:41:00,440
Everything that we're

1093
00:40:59,119 --> 00:41:02,839
we uh

1094
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:04,559
Look, we view ourselves at the top of

1095
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:07,000
the food chain.

1096
00:41:04,559 --> 00:41:09,159
What if we're not anywhere near there? I

1097
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:11,559
don't think we are. Okay, what if we're

1098
00:41:09,159 --> 00:41:13,639
just consumables?

1099
00:41:11,559 --> 00:41:15,840
Well, I don't know if like chimpanzees

1100
00:41:13,639 --> 00:41:17,679
are consumables, right? They're not at

1101
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:19,720
the top of the food chain either, right?

1102
00:41:17,679 --> 00:41:22,000
But No, but there's

1103
00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:25,839
I I would consider them substantially

1104
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:28,159
lower than we are. Like my

1105
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:30,559
my good friend that I John Lear who had

1106
00:41:28,159 --> 00:41:35,079
a bunch of crazy thoughts. I mean he

1107
00:41:30,559 --> 00:41:36,759
used to come over and tell us that uh

1108
00:41:35,079 --> 00:41:38,039
you know, on the moon there was a soul

1109
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:39,508
sucker.

1110
00:41:38,039 --> 00:41:39,800
And when you

1111
00:41:39,507 --> 00:41:41,719
>> [laughter]

1112
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:44,400
>> He did. He said this. You better give me

1113
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:44,399
that bottle.

1114
00:41:45,119 --> 00:41:48,519
I want to drink before you explain this

1115
00:41:47,159 --> 00:41:49,079
one.

1116
00:41:48,519 --> 00:41:50,639
Um

1117
00:41:49,079 --> 00:41:52,400
>> Oh boy.

1118
00:41:50,639 --> 00:41:54,679
A soul sucker. Yeah.

1119
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:57,720
>> John Lear was a eccentric individual.

1120
00:41:54,679 --> 00:41:58,759
I'm kind of sad I never met him.

1121
00:41:57,719 --> 00:42:01,319
Man, he he would

1122
00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:03,080
>> supporting evidence? He was a What?

1123
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:05,600
Terence McKenna talking about the moon

1124
00:42:03,079 --> 00:42:08,039
being a soul catcher. Yeah, yeah. No,

1125
00:42:05,599 --> 00:42:09,639
and he'd give me pictures of these giant

1126
00:42:08,039 --> 00:42:10,159
antennas on the moon and

1127
00:42:09,639 --> 00:42:14,760
>> [clears throat]

1128
00:42:10,159 --> 00:42:16,719
>> um in fact, I'll tell you a story. He um

1129
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:19,640
uh you know, he was an accomplished

1130
00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:21,519
pilot, had many world records and and

1131
00:42:19,639 --> 00:42:23,440
things of that, you know, um

1132
00:42:21,519 --> 00:42:24,440
part of the Lear family

1133
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:26,280
that

1134
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:28,679
his father invented autopilot, the

1135
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:30,480
eight-track tape, all kinds of stuff.

1136
00:42:28,679 --> 00:42:33,399
And uh

1137
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:34,800
but he John Lear was a loose cannon.

1138
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:37,079
At the time

1139
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:41,640
uh

1140
00:42:37,079 --> 00:42:43,679
he'd fly from Las Vegas and uh

1141
00:42:41,639 --> 00:42:47,960
you know, shuttle L-1011s which are

1142
00:42:43,679 --> 00:42:48,879
giant planes back and forth and he'd say

1143
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:50,360
uh

1144
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:51,760
you know, be kind of lonely. He goes,

1145
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:53,599
"Hey, you want to go to Minneapolis

1146
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:56,480
tonight?" He'd call me like at 9:00 at

1147
00:42:53,599 --> 00:42:58,279
night and say, "Well, no, not really.

1148
00:42:56,480 --> 00:43:01,480
Come on. Come on, fly with me." He'd

1149
00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:03,000
say, "Just put on a suit and you know,

1150
00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:05,920
come to so-and-so." And I'd go to

1151
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:08,000
McCarran Airport and you know, go there.

1152
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:08,960
And uh yeah, I'm going to tell everybody

1153
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:11,000
you're

1154
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:12,519
you know, an inspector from the FAA and

1155
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:14,599
I'm like, "Okay,

1156
00:43:12,519 --> 00:43:16,039
great." You know, and I'd

1157
00:43:14,599 --> 00:43:17,920
get on the plane and he'd say, you know,

1158
00:43:16,039 --> 00:43:19,724
"Just act like you're you're going to

1159
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:20,519
kick everyone's ass." So I'd

1160
00:43:19,724 --> 00:43:22,240
>> [laughter]

1161
00:43:20,519 --> 00:43:24,199
>> go on there and I'd sit in the they pull

1162
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:26,479
down a jump seat behind the plane and

1163
00:43:24,199 --> 00:43:28,079
I'd just sit there looking at everybody

1164
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:30,840
and

1165
00:43:28,079 --> 00:43:31,799
God, all this stuff is so illegal. And

1166
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:34,920
um

1167
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:36,760
you know, get on there and and fly and

1168
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:38,400
you know, John would take and the

1169
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:40,080
L-1011 was a

1170
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:41,519
pretty advanced plane at the time. This

1171
00:43:40,079 --> 00:43:43,639
was in the '80s.

1172
00:43:41,519 --> 00:43:45,960
And you know, John would be smoking his

1173
00:43:43,639 --> 00:43:49,119
pipe, he'd take off, he'd put his feet

1174
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:51,679
up and smoke his pipe and he'd fall

1175
00:43:49,119 --> 00:43:53,920
asleep. And I'd just be, you know,

1176
00:43:51,679 --> 00:43:56,079
hanging out there and you know, before

1177
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:59,119
the plane would land, he'd just, you

1178
00:43:56,079 --> 00:44:00,519
know, wake up and you know, be smoking

1179
00:43:59,119 --> 00:44:03,000
his pipe and the you know, plane would

1180
00:44:00,519 --> 00:44:07,159
land itself. At the time my wife was

1181
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:08,960
taking flying lessons and um

1182
00:44:07,159 --> 00:44:12,480
he said, "Yeah, yeah, you know, bring

1183
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:15,240
her up here and um

1184
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:17,000
I think they had an engineer also on

1185
00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:19,479
another panel. I don't I don't quite

1186
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:22,199
remember, but I was there with my wife,

1187
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:24,320
there were people on board and he he'd

1188
00:44:22,199 --> 00:44:26,439
say "Hey, come on here and take the

1189
00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:28,640
wheel." And he'd get the captain of the

1190
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:30,800
plane with

1191
00:44:28,639 --> 00:44:32,920
you know, I think my wife was in her 20s

1192
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:35,200
at the time and just sit her down and

1193
00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:37,358
say, "Yeah, hold on to it and you know,

1194
00:44:35,199 --> 00:44:42,119
just keep correcting." And he'd just let

1195
00:44:37,358 --> 00:44:44,319
her fly the plane which is insane. And

1196
00:44:42,119 --> 00:44:47,319
you know, the co-pilot would just look

1197
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:48,680
over and I remember looking over at I

1198
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:51,425
think the engineer that looked at the

1199
00:44:48,679 --> 00:44:51,480
gauges and he just put his head down

1200
00:44:51,425 --> 00:44:52,880
>> [laughter]

1201
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:55,880
>> and pretended like nothing was

1202
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:57,960
happening. And um

1203
00:44:55,880 --> 00:45:00,000
that was just one time. Another time he

1204
00:44:57,960 --> 00:45:02,199
was fly uh

1205
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:04,280
ferrying an L-1011

1206
00:45:02,199 --> 00:45:06,199
going by Roswell. At the time I was

1207
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:09,840
living in New Mexico

1208
00:45:06,199 --> 00:45:12,079
and they called him and told him he

1209
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:14,800
wasn't getting paid.

1210
00:45:12,079 --> 00:45:17,079
That the company was, you know,

1211
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:18,840
defaulted or something like that.

1212
00:45:17,079 --> 00:45:20,599
And

1213
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:22,800
he was coming up to New Mexico and

1214
00:45:20,599 --> 00:45:25,358
landed at the Roswell just took the

1215
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:30,039
plane and landed at the Roswell Airport

1216
00:45:25,358 --> 00:45:32,159
this the whole 1011 got off walked out

1217
00:45:30,039 --> 00:45:34,559
walked up to a bus station, gave me a

1218
00:45:32,159 --> 00:45:36,920
call on the the payphone and said, "Hey

1219
00:45:34,559 --> 00:45:39,320
Bob, I'm coming over."

1220
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:41,960
Okay, you know, you're in New Mexico.

1221
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:43,640
Yeah. And he drove up

1222
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:45,800
taxi would drop him off at the house,

1223
00:45:43,639 --> 00:45:48,358
he'd walk he [laughter] he walked in he

1224
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:50,359
went, "Boy, I'm tired." And he just laid

1225
00:45:48,358 --> 00:45:51,920
down on the couch, you know, and go to

1226
00:45:50,358 --> 00:45:53,039
sleep and I said,

1227
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:54,800
"What are you doing here? What's going

1228
00:45:53,039 --> 00:45:56,679
on?" "Oh, I just dropped the plane off.

1229
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:58,240
They're not paying me and you know, that

1230
00:45:56,679 --> 00:46:00,440
that's it." But I mean John Lear was

1231
00:45:58,239 --> 00:46:01,119
such like a loose cannon.

1232
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:03,039
Um

1233
00:46:01,119 --> 00:46:06,839
he was he was a great friend to have,

1234
00:46:03,039 --> 00:46:10,039
but uh he had no filter.

1235
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:13,320
If he had a retired general come up and

1236
00:46:10,039 --> 00:46:16,358
give him all kinds of information

1237
00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:18,519
or if he had a psychic come up from, you

1238
00:46:16,358 --> 00:46:20,759
know, the neighborhood and give him all

1239
00:46:18,519 --> 00:46:23,119
kinds of information, he'd put him in

1240
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:26,280
the same category. Um

1241
00:46:23,119 --> 00:46:31,039
>> You know, and uh so

1242
00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:32,800
he really did have useful information

1243
00:46:31,039 --> 00:46:37,079
that was difficult to get, but it was

1244
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:40,359
mixed up with nonsense. Right. And you

1245
00:46:37,079 --> 00:46:42,079
and sometimes he would just really lean

1246
00:46:40,358 --> 00:46:44,960
into that nonsense. Like he was

1247
00:46:42,079 --> 00:46:46,679
convinced that the sun wasn't hot and

1248
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:48,672
there were people living inside and I

1249
00:46:46,679 --> 00:46:49,440
used to die laughing. I'm like, "You are

1250
00:46:48,672 --> 00:46:51,039
[laughter]

1251
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:53,200
insane."

1252
00:46:51,039 --> 00:46:57,186
I said, "You you can't prove it's hot."

1253
00:46:53,199 --> 00:46:57,358
"Yes, I can." You know, just go outside

1254
00:46:57,186 --> 00:46:59,799
>> [laughter]

1255
00:46:57,358 --> 00:47:02,239
>> you know, on a hot day, you know, and

1256
00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:04,120
and you know, and John said, "That's not

1257
00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:06,439
the sun. That's just the the sun's

1258
00:47:04,119 --> 00:47:10,319
atmosphere that's on fire." And I said,

1259
00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:12,159
"You're just crazy." But we got along

1260
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:15,240
and he knew that I I thought he was

1261
00:47:12,159 --> 00:47:17,239
crazy, but the thing is a lot of people

1262
00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:19,399
did come to him

1263
00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:21,959
and give him good information.

1264
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:23,320
Um

1265
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:23,960
Anyway, I don't remember where I was

1266
00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:26,480
going with this.

1267
00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:28,358
>> the thing about some people. Some people

1268
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:31,880
will tell you nonsense and then they'll

1269
00:47:28,358 --> 00:47:34,358
tell you true things. And it's difficult

1270
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:36,960
to accept that true things also come

1271
00:47:34,358 --> 00:47:38,840
from people that say nonsense. Like just

1272
00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:41,358
because they've said something that's

1273
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:43,000
nonsense doesn't mean necessarily that

1274
00:47:41,358 --> 00:47:45,319
this thing they're saying is not true.

1275
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:47,400
This other thing. And you've got to be

1276
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:48,880
able to discern.

1277
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:50,559
You've got like I talk to a lot of

1278
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:51,680
people that say a lot of kooky things

1279
00:47:50,559 --> 00:47:53,519
that don't make any sense, but then

1280
00:47:51,679 --> 00:47:56,039
they'll say something that rings true.

1281
00:47:53,519 --> 00:47:59,159
And it's it's difficult because you have

1282
00:47:56,039 --> 00:48:01,960
to have some sort of an understanding of

1283
00:47:59,159 --> 00:48:03,679
the human psyche and of those kind of

1284
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:06,039
people because there are kind of people

1285
00:48:03,679 --> 00:48:08,119
that have very loose nets.

1286
00:48:06,039 --> 00:48:08,880
You're counting on their filter working

1287
00:48:08,119 --> 00:48:09,559
like yours.

1288
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:11,320
>> it doesn't.

1289
00:48:09,559 --> 00:48:12,719
>> And it No, it doesn't. Some people

1290
00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:14,519
>> stuff gets in there and you go, "Hold

1291
00:48:12,719 --> 00:48:16,239
on. What did you just say?

1292
00:48:14,519 --> 00:48:18,280
Tell me that again. How does that one

1293
00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:19,879
work?" Yeah, you can't really discount

1294
00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:22,000
people because somebody comes up with

1295
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:24,400
some absolute nonsense. It just means

1296
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:26,239
their filter is defective.

1297
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:28,720
But Which is also the reason why they're

1298
00:48:26,239 --> 00:48:31,439
willing to entertain things that are

1299
00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:34,799
outside of the normal spectrum. Right.

1300
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:37,840
So like they might have actual real

1301
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:39,640
useful information but it's wrapped up

1302
00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:42,519
in there with Bigfoot.

1303
00:48:39,639 --> 00:48:44,440
Exactly. Yeah, exactly. But so the soul

1304
00:48:42,519 --> 00:48:46,880
catcher thing. Oh, that yeah, that's

1305
00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:48,358
where I was going. The soul catcher. So

1306
00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:50,559
um

1307
00:48:48,358 --> 00:48:53,440
I remember him sitting and I think he

1308
00:48:50,559 --> 00:48:55,000
was telling my wife Joy this story

1309
00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:57,039
because I walked in on it. He said,

1310
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:59,018
"Yeah, there are these giant antennas

1311
00:48:57,039 --> 00:48:59,679
and when you die

1312
00:48:59,018 --> 00:49:03,159
>> [laughter]

1313
00:48:59,679 --> 00:49:06,440
>> your soul goes up and I think he said

1314
00:49:03,159 --> 00:49:08,399
the grays, you know, this alien race set

1315
00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:10,960
up this soul catcher and that's what

1316
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:12,119
this whole thing is about. And as you

1317
00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:15,039
die

1318
00:49:12,119 --> 00:49:18,159
it sucks your soul in and they use it in

1319
00:49:15,039 --> 00:49:20,000
some way. And um it's not where your

1320
00:49:18,159 --> 00:49:22,519
soul is supposed to go. They just like

1321
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:24,079
set some sort of intercept.

1322
00:49:22,519 --> 00:49:25,159
>> say where your soul was supposed to go?

1323
00:49:24,079 --> 00:49:27,319
No. No.

1324
00:49:25,159 --> 00:49:28,159
>> No, he was just more really into the

1325
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:29,480
soul catcher.

1326
00:49:28,159 --> 00:49:33,199
>> Well, that was one of the weirder things

1327
00:49:29,480 --> 00:49:35,039
about some of the documents that you had

1328
00:49:33,199 --> 00:49:37,000
at least been alerted to when you're on

1329
00:49:35,039 --> 00:49:39,880
the base. And one of them being that

1330
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:40,960
humans are containers. Yeah. All right.

1331
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:41,640
Yeah.

1332
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:43,599
Yeah, and

1333
00:49:41,639 --> 00:49:46,159
>> Which the likely conclusion is

1334
00:49:43,599 --> 00:49:47,319
containers of souls. If a soul is a real

1335
00:49:46,159 --> 00:49:49,000
thing, whatever that That's what you

1336
00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:51,640
would think. Right. I mean, that's what

1337
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:52,000
I thought. Yeah. I mean, It's just a

1338
00:49:51,639 --> 00:49:54,719
guess.

1339
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:57,519
>> prefer to believe that that's that's not

1340
00:49:54,719 --> 00:50:00,159
true. Mhm. Um

1341
00:49:57,519 --> 00:50:02,800
but maybe it is. I just they I don't

1342
00:50:00,159 --> 00:50:05,319
know. As Barry said, you know, they mix

1343
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:08,360
absolute nonsense in there.

1344
00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:10,360
So, if they get if you

1345
00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:11,960
and it's unique to each person. So, if

1346
00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:13,920
you give out any information and they

1347
00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:15,519
go, "Oh, we heard some stuff about soul

1348
00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:18,400
catchers. Oh, we know that came from

1349
00:50:15,519 --> 00:50:20,119
Lazar." You know, so, um

1350
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:22,440
that's just a way where they can direct

1351
00:50:20,119 --> 00:50:24,719
where it where it came to.

1352
00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:26,480
But Then the problem is like decades and

1353
00:50:24,719 --> 00:50:28,079
decades, generations and generations of

1354
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:30,199
people working there. How many people

1355
00:50:28,079 --> 00:50:31,199
know what the real truth is? And how

1356
00:50:30,199 --> 00:50:33,119
many people know

1357
00:50:31,199 --> 00:50:35,279
>> know. I mean, there must be a Yeah,

1358
00:50:33,119 --> 00:50:36,880
there must be a group of people that

1359
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:39,640
really have the pure information of

1360
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:41,240
what's going on. I would assume, but not

1361
00:50:39,639 --> 00:50:43,239
necessarily.

1362
00:50:41,239 --> 00:50:45,119
I would think over There has to be there

1363
00:50:43,239 --> 00:50:47,559
has to be a group of people that know

1364
00:50:45,119 --> 00:50:50,679
what's going on. And um Who are those

1365
00:50:47,559 --> 00:50:53,159
people? Mhm. You know, and to me, like I

1366
00:50:50,679 --> 00:50:55,319
I was telling Luigi, I have a bunch of

1367
00:50:53,159 --> 00:50:56,359
questions for me.

1368
00:50:55,320 --> 00:50:58,240
You know? Right.

1369
00:50:56,360 --> 00:51:00,440
>> Um Like what would be your questions for

1370
00:50:58,239 --> 00:51:03,319
you if you met you? Yeah. Now, questions

1371
00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:06,880
for me are people that ask me over

1372
00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:10,320
decades the same same questions. You

1373
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:12,000
know, why is it the Navy? The Navy paid

1374
00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:13,800
me. I always said the Navy everything

1375
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:16,159
has been the Navy instead of the Air

1376
00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:18,800
Force because, you know, back in the

1377
00:51:16,159 --> 00:51:20,799
'60s and '70s, you know, there's Project

1378
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:23,120
Blue Book in the Air Force and all that,

1379
00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:25,640
but um

1380
00:51:23,119 --> 00:51:27,319
everything associated with this was the

1381
00:51:25,639 --> 00:51:29,000
Navy.

1382
00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:31,840
So,

1383
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:33,239
and in these days, you hear some of

1384
00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:35,720
these

1385
00:51:33,239 --> 00:51:38,479
new types of crafts that are

1386
00:51:35,719 --> 00:51:41,239
transmedium. Yeah, you you hear the word

1387
00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:43,079
transmedium and in it David Fravor,

1388
00:51:41,239 --> 00:51:45,399
Commander David Fravor, you know, with

1389
00:51:43,079 --> 00:51:47,159
the Tic Tac and you know, things are

1390
00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:50,360
under the water.

1391
00:51:47,159 --> 00:51:51,960
And you know, supposedly the the craft

1392
00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:54,760
that

1393
00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:57,480
the sport model was an archaeological

1394
00:51:54,760 --> 00:52:01,400
recovery, and that itself was

1395
00:51:57,480 --> 00:52:03,840
underwater. So, what is

1396
00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:06,480
what is the deal with the water?

1397
00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:09,400
I mean, it's it's

1398
00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:10,679
it's by far the biggest medium of the

1399
00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:13,440
planet.

1400
00:52:10,679 --> 00:52:15,440
I mean, if you want to hide

1401
00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:18,119
people down there, almost an entire

1402
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:20,360
civilization down there, you could do it

1403
00:52:18,119 --> 00:52:22,519
in the ocean as long as you do it deep

1404
00:52:20,360 --> 00:52:24,640
enough and away from people.

1405
00:52:22,519 --> 00:52:26,639
So, yeah, number one is what's the deal

1406
00:52:24,639 --> 00:52:28,719
with the ocean? That's probably the the

1407
00:52:26,639 --> 00:52:30,400
number one question. Because there's a

1408
00:52:28,719 --> 00:52:32,000
ton of sightings

1409
00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:33,800
where people see things come out of the

1410
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:34,920
water

1411
00:52:33,800 --> 00:52:37,080
and go into the water.

1412
00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:39,079
>> Yeah, there has to be a reason for that.

1413
00:52:37,079 --> 00:52:42,000
Well, it just in terms of if they have

1414
00:52:39,079 --> 00:52:44,400
the ability to travel through space, if

1415
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:46,599
they if whatever that thing is really

1416
00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:48,480
does create some sort of a gravity

1417
00:52:46,599 --> 00:52:52,839
bubble or some sort of a space-time

1418
00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:54,679
bubble. Yeah, but maybe it's not space.

1419
00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:57,120
Maybe it's not space. Maybe maybe it's

1420
00:52:54,679 --> 00:52:58,599
time. Maybe it's another dimension.

1421
00:52:57,119 --> 00:53:01,199
There's

1422
00:52:58,599 --> 00:53:04,480
there's really no limit. If you can

1423
00:53:01,199 --> 00:53:06,359
start manipulating

1424
00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:08,320
physics in that way,

1425
00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:10,920
um

1426
00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:16,200
you can bend time, you can

1427
00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:16,200
open doorways into other dimensions. So,

1428
00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:21,360
maybe it has nothing to do with going I

1429
00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:22,280
Look, we all want it to be like Star

1430
00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:24,240
Trek. Right.

1431
00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:25,920
>> You know, because Star Trek is really

1432
00:53:24,239 --> 00:53:27,239
understandable. Right.

1433
00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:29,400
>> You go out there, you fly to another

1434
00:53:27,239 --> 00:53:31,239
planet. You meet the people there, you

1435
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:33,360
go to another one. Well, these guys are

1436
00:53:31,239 --> 00:53:35,519
happy, those guys aren't, you know, and

1437
00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:39,280
it all makes perfect sense.

1438
00:53:35,519 --> 00:53:39,280
I don't really think it's like that.

1439
00:53:39,519 --> 00:53:41,679
Look,

1440
00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:43,720
you know, if you look in history,

1441
00:53:41,679 --> 00:53:44,879
especially, you know, in United States

1442
00:53:43,719 --> 00:53:48,359
history,

1443
00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:50,599
anytime a superior

1444
00:53:48,360 --> 00:53:54,160
race or intelligence meets with an

1445
00:53:50,599 --> 00:53:56,799
inferior one, it's never good for the

1446
00:53:54,159 --> 00:53:59,199
inferior guys. Never.

1447
00:53:56,800 --> 00:54:00,960
We never come over and go, "Oh, we just

1448
00:53:59,199 --> 00:54:03,519
want to teach you guys everything that

1449
00:54:00,960 --> 00:54:05,119
we know." Right. No, no. It's like,

1450
00:54:03,519 --> 00:54:07,039
"We're going to rape all your women,

1451
00:54:05,119 --> 00:54:08,719
take all your stuff, and then just kill

1452
00:54:07,039 --> 00:54:10,679
you." Use your resources.

1453
00:54:08,719 --> 00:54:12,799
>> Yeah, right. And just consume everything

1454
00:54:10,679 --> 00:54:14,799
you want. That's just always the way it

1455
00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:18,760
goes. Now, maybe that's just what humans

1456
00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:21,280
do, but I would be concerned that's what

1457
00:54:18,760 --> 00:54:24,000
all life does. Well,

1458
00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:26,400
we are territorial primates. Mhm. And

1459
00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:28,320
that makes sense that that's what we do.

1460
00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:30,240
The thing that always fascinates me

1461
00:54:28,320 --> 00:54:32,080
about particularly the grays, they seem

1462
00:54:30,239 --> 00:54:35,279
to be genderless,

1463
00:54:32,079 --> 00:54:37,039
and they seem to have no muscle at all.

1464
00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:39,880
They and they seem to have enormous

1465
00:54:37,039 --> 00:54:42,599
heads, and the

1466
00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:44,599
stories at least, the anecdotal accounts

1467
00:54:42,599 --> 00:54:46,880
of people having communication with

1468
00:54:44,599 --> 00:54:49,639
these creatures is that they communicate

1469
00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:54,240
in some way telepathically.

1470
00:54:49,639 --> 00:54:57,000
Yeah. If you transcend all of our weird

1471
00:54:54,239 --> 00:54:58,358
biological needs, like all the things

1472
00:54:57,000 --> 00:55:01,480
that are attached to being a human

1473
00:54:58,358 --> 00:55:03,960
being, ego, lust, greed, desire to

1474
00:55:01,480 --> 00:55:06,760
conquer, desire to control resources,

1475
00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:08,000
all those things are territorial primate

1476
00:55:06,760 --> 00:55:09,240
instincts.

1477
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:10,599
And one of the conversations I had

1478
00:55:09,239 --> 00:55:13,279
yesterday with my friend Theo, we were

1479
00:55:10,599 --> 00:55:15,000
talking about like what's happening to

1480
00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:18,200
people's bodies,

1481
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:21,920
is that people are slowly

1482
00:55:18,199 --> 00:55:23,559
we're consuming microplastics and

1483
00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:25,840
phthalates and all these things that are

1484
00:55:23,559 --> 00:55:28,400
reducing our reproductive system, our

1485
00:55:25,840 --> 00:55:30,720
testosterone's dropping. Right, right.

1486
00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:33,920
All this stuff like leads you to say,

1487
00:55:30,719 --> 00:55:36,480
"Well, where does this go ultimately?"

1488
00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:39,240
Like what what how many more people are

1489
00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:42,039
autistic now than were before? It's one

1490
00:55:39,239 --> 00:55:44,199
out of 12 boys in California now. Used

1491
00:55:42,039 --> 00:55:46,599
to be one out of 10,000 just a few

1492
00:55:44,199 --> 00:55:48,199
decades ago. Like we're moving into this

1493
00:55:46,599 --> 00:55:49,159
very weird direction without us

1494
00:55:48,199 --> 00:55:51,000
recognizing it.

1495
00:55:49,159 --> 00:55:53,119
>> me stop you there. It's one out of how

1496
00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:56,159
many? One out of 12 boys in California

1497
00:55:53,119 --> 00:55:59,440
are diagnosed autistic now.

1498
00:55:56,159 --> 00:56:01,759
But do you think that might be the way

1499
00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:03,320
they're diagnosed? No.

1500
00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:06,000
No, I think it's exposure. I think it's

1501
00:56:03,320 --> 00:56:08,760
exposed to chemicals, vaccines,

1502
00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:10,199
environmental toxins. You think that do,

1503
00:56:08,760 --> 00:56:13,040
yeah? I think that. It's not just me.

1504
00:56:10,199 --> 00:56:14,159
There's tons of studies and and a lot of

1505
00:56:13,039 --> 00:56:15,679
buried studies, too.

1506
00:56:14,159 --> 00:56:17,799
>> Okay. I mean, if that's accurate, that's

1507
00:56:15,679 --> 00:56:20,358
frightening. Yeah. Well, it is it's it

1508
00:56:17,800 --> 00:56:21,920
can't be just diagnosed because I mean,

1509
00:56:20,358 --> 00:56:23,960
I know so many people that have

1510
00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:25,920
nonverbal autistic kids, where I didn't

1511
00:56:23,960 --> 00:56:29,280
know anybody that had nonverbal autistic

1512
00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:29,280
kids when I was younger. Well,

1513
00:56:29,320 --> 00:56:34,200
you know, I mean, back in the '60s and

1514
00:56:31,800 --> 00:56:35,080
'70s, there was no there were no kids

1515
00:56:34,199 --> 00:56:36,399
with ADHD.

1516
00:56:35,079 --> 00:56:37,599
>> Mhm.

1517
00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:39,960
Kids that were like that were just

1518
00:56:37,599 --> 00:56:42,960
Mhm. You know? I think that's

1519
00:56:39,960 --> 00:56:45,079
still the the case. I don't think ADHD

1520
00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:47,639
is a real diagnosis. I think it's a real

1521
00:56:45,079 --> 00:56:50,358
excuse to give people medication. I

1522
00:56:47,639 --> 00:56:52,559
think ADHD is essentially a superpower.

1523
00:56:50,358 --> 00:56:54,480
What ADHD is allows you to concentrate

1524
00:56:52,559 --> 00:56:56,000
on things that you really enjoy, but you

1525
00:56:54,480 --> 00:56:58,519
cannot concentrate on things you don't

1526
00:56:56,000 --> 00:57:00,079
enjoy. Okay. I think I have it.

1527
00:56:58,519 --> 00:57:02,239
You know, and I think I'm very fortunate

1528
00:57:00,079 --> 00:57:04,440
that I'm not diagnosed and medicated or

1529
00:57:02,239 --> 00:57:06,119
wasn't or was born in the right time

1530
00:57:04,440 --> 00:57:08,000
when they weren't doing that as much.

1531
00:57:06,119 --> 00:57:10,199
>> No, I actually I'll stop you there and

1532
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:12,559
say I I agree that that's a superpower,

1533
00:57:10,199 --> 00:57:14,199
too. Because it's a very unusual. I can

1534
00:57:12,559 --> 00:57:16,559
Yeah, yeah. If I find a thing that I

1535
00:57:14,199 --> 00:57:19,039
like, I can lock in and concentrate on

1536
00:57:16,559 --> 00:57:21,279
it for 12, 14 hours with no sleep, no

1537
00:57:19,039 --> 00:57:23,639
food. All I need is like water or

1538
00:57:21,280 --> 00:57:26,649
coffee, and and I'm locked in. All

1539
00:57:23,639 --> 00:57:26,679
right. I locked in for 4 and 1/2 years.

1540
00:57:26,648 --> 00:57:28,400
>> [laughter]

1541
00:57:26,679 --> 00:57:30,839
>> Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know. I don't I

1542
00:57:28,400 --> 00:57:32,440
don't think I think what ADHD is you're

1543
00:57:30,840 --> 00:57:34,160
taking kids, you're putting them in a

1544
00:57:32,440 --> 00:57:35,679
completely unnatural environment, you're

1545
00:57:34,159 --> 00:57:36,960
making them sit down. They don't want to

1546
00:57:35,679 --> 00:57:38,799
sit down. They're very active and

1547
00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:41,519
energetic. You're making them study

1548
00:57:38,800 --> 00:57:42,560
things by very unenthusiastic teachers.

1549
00:57:41,519 --> 00:57:43,920
They don't want to pay attention.

1550
00:57:42,559 --> 00:57:45,840
They're off in class because

1551
00:57:43,920 --> 00:57:47,680
they're completely bored. And then

1552
00:57:45,840 --> 00:57:49,200
you're saying that kid's got a problem.

1553
00:57:47,679 --> 00:57:50,159
We have to diagnose them. And then what

1554
00:57:49,199 --> 00:57:52,000
do you give them? You give them

1555
00:57:50,159 --> 00:57:54,319
Adderall. And all of a sudden the kid's

1556
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:56,199
locked in cuz they're on speed.

1557
00:57:54,320 --> 00:57:58,480
>> Yeah. And I just think

1558
00:57:56,199 --> 00:57:59,319
>> if you focus in and let them do what

1559
00:57:58,480 --> 00:58:01,320
they're interested in.

1560
00:57:59,320 --> 00:58:03,240
>> kid a video game. Watch him play it for

1561
00:58:01,320 --> 00:58:04,440
10 hours with no food. Cuz

1562
00:58:03,239 --> 00:58:05,879
that's what happens. Cuz that's

1563
00:58:04,440 --> 00:58:08,760
something they're actually engaged with.

1564
00:58:05,880 --> 00:58:10,840
It's not that they can't be focused on

1565
00:58:08,760 --> 00:58:12,600
anything. They just don't focus on

1566
00:58:10,840 --> 00:58:14,440
things they enjoy. And we want to turn

1567
00:58:12,599 --> 00:58:16,079
people into nice little factory workers.

1568
00:58:14,440 --> 00:58:17,840
>> Right. And the only way to do that is

1569
00:58:16,079 --> 00:58:19,358
you got to get a kid to comply. You got

1570
00:58:17,840 --> 00:58:19,920
to get a kid to pay attention and follow

1571
00:58:19,358 --> 00:58:21,358
the rules.

1572
00:58:19,920 --> 00:58:23,720
>> the same channel. It's really great. I

1573
00:58:21,358 --> 00:58:24,960
don't believe that ADHD is a real thing.

1574
00:58:23,719 --> 00:58:27,039
I just think there's some people that

1575
00:58:24,960 --> 00:58:29,599
are wired differently, and they should

1576
00:58:27,039 --> 00:58:30,920
pursue different things in life. Right.

1577
00:58:29,599 --> 00:58:33,920
The difference between that and autism

1578
00:58:30,920 --> 00:58:37,320
is very different. And autism is

1579
00:58:33,920 --> 00:58:40,519
especially when it happens like almost

1580
00:58:37,320 --> 00:58:41,880
directly after multiple vaccinations.

1581
00:58:40,519 --> 00:58:43,800
There's a lot of them they point to,

1582
00:58:41,880 --> 00:58:45,440
particularly the MMR vaccine. There's a

1583
00:58:43,800 --> 00:58:47,519
there's there's quite a few. When you

1584
00:58:45,440 --> 00:58:49,079
look at the schedule of vaccines and how

1585
00:58:47,519 --> 00:58:51,440
it ramped up and it completely

1586
00:58:49,079 --> 00:58:53,799
correlates with the ramping up of the

1587
00:58:51,440 --> 00:58:55,960
diagnoses of autism.

1588
00:58:53,800 --> 00:58:57,560
But but without casting aspersions or

1589
00:58:55,960 --> 00:58:59,880
getting into some anti-vaccine

1590
00:58:57,559 --> 00:59:01,960
conversation, Wait, you just did. I

1591
00:58:59,880 --> 00:59:04,559
know, I did. But what I'm saying is but

1592
00:59:01,960 --> 00:59:06,800
ultimately the human race is moving into

1593
00:59:04,559 --> 00:59:08,759
a very weird place. So, I had a

1594
00:59:06,800 --> 00:59:11,400
conversation with um

1595
00:59:08,760 --> 00:59:14,280
Shanna Swan, Dr. Shanna Swan, who

1596
00:59:11,400 --> 00:59:17,039
is uh she studies environmental

1597
00:59:14,280 --> 00:59:20,240
endocrine disruptors. So, various

1598
00:59:17,039 --> 00:59:22,719
toxins, phthalates, microplastics, and

1599
00:59:20,239 --> 00:59:25,479
plasticizers that are completely

1600
00:59:22,719 --> 00:59:27,799
disruptive to people's endocrine system,

1601
00:59:25,480 --> 00:59:29,400
reproductive system. And from the

1602
00:59:27,800 --> 00:59:32,280
introduction of these petrochemical

1603
00:59:29,400 --> 00:59:35,200
products in the 1950s and '60s, you see

1604
00:59:32,280 --> 00:59:39,440
a direct correlation between the dip in

1605
00:59:35,199 --> 00:59:41,319
testosterone rates in amongst men, the

1606
00:59:39,440 --> 00:59:44,320
uh increase of miscarriages and

1607
00:59:41,320 --> 00:59:47,480
infertility, and then on top of that,

1608
00:59:44,320 --> 00:59:48,640
the actual shrinking of their taint. So,

1609
00:59:47,480 --> 00:59:51,199
one of the ways they find out the

1610
00:59:48,639 --> 00:59:54,839
difference between mammals um some

1611
00:59:51,199 --> 00:59:57,960
mammals in particular, when you see a a

1612
00:59:54,840 --> 01:00:01,240
a a child a baby mammal, the difference

1613
00:59:57,960 --> 01:00:03,599
between a male and a female is easily

1614
01:00:01,239 --> 01:00:06,479
recognized by the size of the gap

1615
01:00:03,599 --> 01:00:07,599
between their anal their anal hole and

1616
01:00:06,480 --> 01:00:10,719
where their genitals are.

1617
01:00:07,599 --> 01:00:12,799
>> But, that could just be correlation.

1618
01:00:10,719 --> 01:00:14,519
You know, it's like No, no, no. No, no,

1619
01:00:12,800 --> 01:00:16,240
no. No, I'll explain why it's not.

1620
01:00:14,519 --> 01:00:18,280
Because when they've done studies where

1621
01:00:16,239 --> 01:00:20,519
they've used phthalates, particularly

1622
01:00:18,280 --> 01:00:23,160
phthalates, and they've introduced them

1623
01:00:20,519 --> 01:00:24,920
specifically purposely into certain

1624
01:00:23,159 --> 01:00:27,239
mammals and rodents, their taint

1625
01:00:24,920 --> 01:00:29,840
shrinks. Hm. And their taint shrinks and

1626
01:00:27,239 --> 01:00:31,479
their penises their penis size shrinks.

1627
01:00:29,840 --> 01:00:33,880
And there's studies on rivers, they have

1628
01:00:31,480 --> 01:00:35,400
smaller penises. And she she talked

1629
01:00:33,880 --> 01:00:38,880
about all this. And all this these are

1630
01:00:35,400 --> 01:00:38,880
endocrine disruptors

1631
01:00:39,440 --> 01:00:44,559
that are in the environment that are

1632
01:00:40,840 --> 01:00:47,360
doing something that reduces fertility.

1633
01:00:44,559 --> 01:00:49,079
And it changes the way the human biology

1634
01:00:47,360 --> 01:00:50,680
functions. And it makes men more

1635
01:00:49,079 --> 01:00:53,279
feminine and it makes women less

1636
01:00:50,679 --> 01:00:55,679
fertile. Okay. Well, ultimately we look

1637
01:00:53,280 --> 01:00:57,160
at the Grays, what do they look like?

1638
01:00:55,679 --> 01:00:58,639
Yeah. They look like they have no

1639
01:00:57,159 --> 01:01:01,119
genitals. They look like they have they

1640
01:00:58,639 --> 01:01:05,159
have no sex. They have like That might

1641
01:01:01,119 --> 01:01:08,239
be where biology has to go to transcend

1642
01:01:05,159 --> 01:01:09,719
away from our territorial primate

1643
01:01:08,239 --> 01:01:11,879
biology.

1644
01:01:09,719 --> 01:01:14,919
Our territorial primate biology that is

1645
01:01:11,880 --> 01:01:17,240
insistent on war and violence and Right.

1646
01:01:14,920 --> 01:01:17,880
And we think this is the place to stay.

1647
01:01:17,239 --> 01:01:18,839
Exactly.

1648
01:01:17,880 --> 01:01:20,680
>> And it may not be.

1649
01:01:18,840 --> 01:01:23,680
>> It may not be. It it it may be

1650
01:01:20,679 --> 01:01:24,679
completely non-beneficial to all life.

1651
01:01:23,679 --> 01:01:26,719
>> Right. Right.

1652
01:01:24,679 --> 01:01:28,559
>> That we have to transcend that. And

1653
01:01:26,719 --> 01:01:30,639
well, we are transcending it whether we

1654
01:01:28,559 --> 01:01:33,920
like it or not. And what I was saying is

1655
01:01:30,639 --> 01:01:37,119
that I don't know if it's a bug. I think

1656
01:01:33,920 --> 01:01:40,320
it might be a feature of evolution. That

1657
01:01:37,119 --> 01:01:43,359
our insistence on using plastics and

1658
01:01:40,320 --> 01:01:44,880
technology and all of these different

1659
01:01:43,360 --> 01:01:49,760
environmental

1660
01:01:44,880 --> 01:01:52,640
toxins that we use to produce energy and

1661
01:01:49,760 --> 01:01:55,520
all the goods and services that we need

1662
01:01:52,639 --> 01:01:58,839
also are disrupting our endocrine system

1663
01:01:55,519 --> 01:02:01,800
and changing us from being these hulking

1664
01:01:58,840 --> 01:02:05,039
hair-covered cave men to being these

1665
01:02:01,800 --> 01:02:07,120
very small, slight autistic men that can

1666
01:02:05,039 --> 01:02:08,800
code 24 hours a day without

1667
01:02:07,119 --> 01:02:11,679
sleep. Right.

1668
01:02:08,800 --> 01:02:13,840
It seems like if you extrapolate and you

1669
01:02:11,679 --> 01:02:16,000
naturally take that further, well, what

1670
01:02:13,840 --> 01:02:18,920
do you get? You get really skinny things

1671
01:02:16,000 --> 01:02:21,480
with no muscles and giant heads. My my

1672
01:02:18,920 --> 01:02:24,680
take also and I and I do agree with that

1673
01:02:21,480 --> 01:02:25,920
is what I find out what I find sometimes

1674
01:02:24,679 --> 01:02:29,919
really

1675
01:02:25,920 --> 01:02:33,280
uh concerning is how fast that's moving.

1676
01:02:29,920 --> 01:02:35,159
So, it's not just a question of like is

1677
01:02:33,280 --> 01:02:37,840
this actually

1678
01:02:35,159 --> 01:02:40,480
it it this is probably a thing, but it's

1679
01:02:37,840 --> 01:02:41,920
moving so incredibly fast. If I look at

1680
01:02:40,480 --> 01:02:43,880
my father's generation or my

1681
01:02:41,920 --> 01:02:45,360
grandfather's generation and my

1682
01:02:43,880 --> 01:02:48,559
generation,

1683
01:02:45,360 --> 01:02:51,440
I mean, it's it's similar, but now it's

1684
01:02:48,559 --> 01:02:53,239
moving so fast. I I I do agree with

1685
01:02:51,440 --> 01:02:55,280
you're saying and I'm thinking if it's

1686
01:02:53,239 --> 01:02:57,639
moving so fast,

1687
01:02:55,280 --> 01:02:59,280
there could be a not a natural component

1688
01:02:57,639 --> 01:03:00,079
to it, but there's an intentional

1689
01:02:59,280 --> 01:03:02,560
component.

1690
01:03:00,079 --> 01:03:04,799
>> Right. If you wanted to do something to

1691
01:03:02,559 --> 01:03:06,599
a race to change it. Like think about

1692
01:03:04,800 --> 01:03:08,880
what we did with wolves.

1693
01:03:06,599 --> 01:03:11,079
Right. All dogs are wolves. Yeah. Right.

1694
01:03:08,880 --> 01:03:12,360
I have two dogs that are the furthest

1695
01:03:11,079 --> 01:03:13,319
thing from wolves you could

1696
01:03:12,360 --> 01:03:15,768
possibly imagine.

1697
01:03:13,320 --> 01:03:15,840
>> Is that Marshmallow? Marshall. Yeah,

1698
01:03:15,768 --> 01:03:16,880
>> [laughter]

1699
01:03:15,840 --> 01:03:17,960
>> you can call him he might be a

1700
01:03:16,880 --> 01:03:19,680
Marshmallow. He might as well be a

1701
01:03:17,960 --> 01:03:21,079
Marshmallow. Marshall who's a Golden

1702
01:03:19,679 --> 01:03:22,399
Retriever is the sweetest dog of all

1703
01:03:21,079 --> 01:03:24,840
time. Then I have another dog named

1704
01:03:22,400 --> 01:03:27,519
Charlie who's a King Charles Cavalier

1705
01:03:24,840 --> 01:03:30,200
Spaniel who's even further from a wolf

1706
01:03:27,519 --> 01:03:33,480
than Marshall. He's just a cute little

1707
01:03:30,199 --> 01:03:35,759
fuzzy little sweetheart. They have no

1708
01:03:33,480 --> 01:03:37,320
killer instincts whatsoever.

1709
01:03:35,760 --> 01:03:40,440
That used to be a wolf. Right, well,

1710
01:03:37,320 --> 01:03:42,480
what happened? We softened them to the

1711
01:03:40,440 --> 01:03:45,559
point where they're something compatible

1712
01:03:42,480 --> 01:03:48,559
with our modern life with households and

1713
01:03:45,559 --> 01:03:51,039
families and babies and you can we made

1714
01:03:48,559 --> 01:03:52,759
them safe. And that's happening to

1715
01:03:51,039 --> 01:03:54,480
people.

1716
01:03:52,760 --> 01:03:55,760
It's happening to people whether we like

1717
01:03:54,480 --> 01:03:56,960
it or not. We could attribute it to all

1718
01:03:55,760 --> 01:03:58,160
these different factors. Oh, it's a

1719
01:03:56,960 --> 01:03:59,519
problem. We have to remove these things

1720
01:03:58,159 --> 01:04:02,799
from the environment. This is what's

1721
01:03:59,519 --> 01:04:04,920
going on. Maybe or maybe you just look

1722
01:04:02,800 --> 01:04:06,880
at the overall picture, there seems to

1723
01:04:04,920 --> 01:04:08,920
be an insatiable desire for innovation

1724
01:04:06,880 --> 01:04:10,760
and technology that human beings have.

1725
01:04:08,920 --> 01:04:12,119
If you looked at us from afar, if you

1726
01:04:10,760 --> 01:04:13,280
weren't part of the human race and

1727
01:04:12,119 --> 01:04:15,599
you're just studying us, you're like,

1728
01:04:13,280 --> 01:04:17,320
what does this species do? Well, makes

1729
01:04:15,599 --> 01:04:18,559
better things. Makes better things all

1730
01:04:17,320 --> 01:04:20,559
the time.

1731
01:04:18,559 --> 01:04:22,799
Constantly. You know, I look I have a

1732
01:04:20,559 --> 01:04:25,000
iPhone 16 here. It's not as good as the

1733
01:04:22,800 --> 01:04:26,560
iPhone 17. iPhone 17's better. Why don't

1734
01:04:25,000 --> 01:04:28,400
you get an iPhone 17? You know, it just

1735
01:04:26,559 --> 01:04:30,480
like keeps going. It never stops. It

1736
01:04:28,400 --> 01:04:32,599
never ends. The TVs get bigger. They get

1737
01:04:30,480 --> 01:04:35,760
stronger. Your cars get faster. Your

1738
01:04:32,599 --> 01:04:38,039
computer does more cores. Does

1739
01:04:35,760 --> 01:04:40,400
processing, video editing so much

1740
01:04:38,039 --> 01:04:42,079
quicker. Everything moves faster and

1741
01:04:40,400 --> 01:04:43,880
better. We keep making better things. We

1742
01:04:42,079 --> 01:04:46,400
never stop and say, you know what?

1743
01:04:43,880 --> 01:04:48,480
Society right now, we have a lot of

1744
01:04:46,400 --> 01:04:50,639
problems. The problems that we don't

1745
01:04:48,480 --> 01:04:52,719
have are technology. Our technology

1746
01:04:50,639 --> 01:04:54,199
seems completely suitable to this world

1747
01:04:52,719 --> 01:04:55,279
that we're living in right now. Let's

1748
01:04:54,199 --> 01:04:57,279
just

1749
01:04:55,280 --> 01:04:59,519
new things and concentrate on cleaning

1750
01:04:57,280 --> 01:05:01,800
the rivers and concentrate on stopping

1751
01:04:59,519 --> 01:05:04,000
crime and concentrate on educating

1752
01:05:01,800 --> 01:05:06,840
people. Concentrate on counseling for

1753
01:05:04,000 --> 01:05:08,719
troubled young people. No. No, we just

1754
01:05:06,840 --> 01:05:11,280
plow forward ahead with the one thing

1755
01:05:08,719 --> 01:05:12,919
that we absolutely guarantee to do. We

1756
01:05:11,280 --> 01:05:15,120
make better things. We make better

1757
01:05:12,920 --> 01:05:17,280
weapons, better cars, faster planes.

1758
01:05:15,119 --> 01:05:19,920
Everything we do, we make things better.

1759
01:05:17,280 --> 01:05:22,720
And I'll and I'll sorry, I have to add

1760
01:05:19,920 --> 01:05:24,639
we do that and we also do it in a way

1761
01:05:22,719 --> 01:05:26,358
where it's economically beneficial to

1762
01:05:24,639 --> 01:05:28,319
the ones that are making it because we

1763
01:05:26,358 --> 01:05:30,119
make things break now.

1764
01:05:28,320 --> 01:05:31,760
Think about it. We make better things,

1765
01:05:30,119 --> 01:05:34,079
but we make them so that you have to buy

1766
01:05:31,760 --> 01:05:35,960
the better thing after. Right.

1767
01:05:34,079 --> 01:05:36,880
Engineered obsolescence. Yeah. That's

1768
01:05:35,960 --> 01:05:39,920
also important.

1769
01:05:36,880 --> 01:05:42,559
>> Yeah, it is because then it also human

1770
01:05:39,920 --> 01:05:45,480
beings have this very bizarre desire for

1771
01:05:42,559 --> 01:05:48,358
materialism. Like what why would a thing

1772
01:05:45,480 --> 01:05:51,159
with a finite lifespan want to

1773
01:05:48,358 --> 01:05:53,279
accumulate objects? Like I know people

1774
01:05:51,159 --> 01:05:55,480
that are in their 80s that collect

1775
01:05:53,280 --> 01:05:57,280
things. Like what are you doing

1776
01:05:55,480 --> 01:05:59,639
with that stuff? You're going to die.

1777
01:05:57,280 --> 01:06:02,200
You have maybe like 10 summers left on

1778
01:05:59,639 --> 01:06:04,319
on Earth. And here you are collecting

1779
01:06:02,199 --> 01:06:07,119
stamps or cars or

1780
01:06:04,320 --> 01:06:10,655
>> yeah. No, no. I've gotten to that. It's

1781
01:06:07,119 --> 01:06:11,159
weird. Yeah, I mean, at some point you

1782
01:06:10,655 --> 01:06:13,600
>> [cough and clears throat]

1783
01:06:11,159 --> 01:06:14,920
>> you have to bypass the accumulating

1784
01:06:13,599 --> 01:06:18,679
stuff Right.

1785
01:06:14,920 --> 01:06:22,159
>> part of life. But, materialism ensures a

1786
01:06:18,679 --> 01:06:23,679
constant fueling of innovation.

1787
01:06:22,159 --> 01:06:25,679
Because this is one of the things that

1788
01:06:23,679 --> 01:06:27,719
gets people excited about collecting new

1789
01:06:25,679 --> 01:06:29,279
stuff is that you're going to make a

1790
01:06:27,719 --> 01:06:31,279
better version.

1791
01:06:29,280 --> 01:06:34,040
Like I don't care how good your Mercedes

1792
01:06:31,280 --> 01:06:36,280
is. It's not a 2026 Mercedes. Right.

1793
01:06:34,039 --> 01:06:38,719
Yeah, exactly. It has new features. It

1794
01:06:36,280 --> 01:06:41,600
has a new thing. And so, it's like all

1795
01:06:38,719 --> 01:06:43,399
built into the human psychology and also

1796
01:06:41,599 --> 01:06:45,880
to this thing that I said like I said,

1797
01:06:43,400 --> 01:06:47,840
if you were somewhere from somewhere

1798
01:06:45,880 --> 01:06:50,559
else and studying this species, what

1799
01:06:47,840 --> 01:06:52,358
does it do? It it makes better things.

1800
01:06:50,559 --> 01:06:53,840
What do sharks do? They eat things. They

1801
01:06:52,358 --> 01:06:55,079
just swim around. They can't even stop

1802
01:06:53,840 --> 01:06:57,320
swimming. They eat things. What do

1803
01:06:55,079 --> 01:06:59,559
people do? They they really just make

1804
01:06:57,320 --> 01:07:01,640
better things. They go to war. Why do

1805
01:06:59,559 --> 01:07:03,599
they go to war really? They go to war so

1806
01:07:01,639 --> 01:07:05,480
they can control resources so they have

1807
01:07:03,599 --> 01:07:07,519
more money so they can make more things

1808
01:07:05,480 --> 01:07:10,760
and better things. And also the amount

1809
01:07:07,519 --> 01:07:12,960
of innovation that is in warfare, in war

1810
01:07:10,760 --> 01:07:15,160
weapons, in war fighting. Yeah, that

1811
01:07:12,960 --> 01:07:17,440
yeah, that's actually critical to keep

1812
01:07:15,159 --> 01:07:20,480
the system going. Yeah. Well, ultimately

1813
01:07:17,440 --> 01:07:23,358
all that does it all of it releases more

1814
01:07:20,480 --> 01:07:24,559
endocrine disruptors, more contact with

1815
01:07:23,358 --> 01:07:28,159
all these different chemicals and

1816
01:07:24,559 --> 01:07:29,920
toxins, feminizes men, ruins women's

1817
01:07:28,159 --> 01:07:32,358
reproductive systems to the point where

1818
01:07:29,920 --> 01:07:33,320
ultimately we say, oh, for the survival

1819
01:07:32,358 --> 01:07:35,039
of the race, we're going to have to

1820
01:07:33,320 --> 01:07:36,559
figure out how to reproduce

1821
01:07:35,039 --> 01:07:38,559
non-biologically.

1822
01:07:36,559 --> 01:07:40,960
>> Hm.

1823
01:07:38,559 --> 01:07:42,119
When I first got involved in

1824
01:07:40,960 --> 01:07:44,000
yeah, it's

1825
01:07:42,119 --> 01:07:45,279
It's something to ponder, right? It's

1826
01:07:44,000 --> 01:07:47,199
something to ponder because we're so

1827
01:07:45,280 --> 01:07:48,640
wrapped up in who we are. We're so

1828
01:07:47,199 --> 01:07:51,319
wrapped up and look, I love being a

1829
01:07:48,639 --> 01:07:53,119
person. I love living in Texas. I love

1830
01:07:51,320 --> 01:07:55,200
driving an American car. I love all

1831
01:07:53,119 --> 01:07:57,079
those things. But, what does that mean?

1832
01:07:55,199 --> 01:07:59,039
Like what is that what is that? You

1833
01:07:57,079 --> 01:08:00,960
know, these are just weird identity

1834
01:07:59,039 --> 01:08:03,920
points that you connect with whatever

1835
01:08:00,960 --> 01:08:05,400
this species is. Well, but if you just

1836
01:08:03,920 --> 01:08:07,639
could just have a

1837
01:08:05,400 --> 01:08:08,960
above view,

1838
01:08:07,639 --> 01:08:11,440
and you look down and go, what are we

1839
01:08:08,960 --> 01:08:11,440
doing?

1840
01:08:11,519 --> 01:08:15,840
Yeah, that's a that's a good question.

1841
01:08:13,760 --> 01:08:17,560
That's a good question.

1842
01:08:15,840 --> 01:08:19,600
Yeah, like how far are we going and how

1843
01:08:17,560 --> 01:08:22,920
fast are we going there? We're going

1844
01:08:19,600 --> 01:08:24,520
pretty fast. And now with AI, I

1845
01:08:22,920 --> 01:08:26,159
think we're going way faster than we

1846
01:08:24,520 --> 01:08:28,799
even understand.

1847
01:08:26,159 --> 01:08:30,399
Because with Claude, I mean, they they

1848
01:08:28,798 --> 01:08:32,319
think that the Claude AI the the

1849
01:08:30,399 --> 01:08:34,119
engineers, they we think it's sentient

1850
01:08:32,319 --> 01:08:35,240
already. It just doesn't have a physical

1851
01:08:34,119 --> 01:08:37,119
body to move around.

1852
01:08:35,239 --> 01:08:38,358
>> is going to kill us. Everybody agrees

1853
01:08:37,119 --> 01:08:39,279
with that. [laughter]

1854
01:08:38,359 --> 01:08:40,480
There's no question.

1855
01:08:39,279 --> 01:08:41,679
>> think it's going to kill us. You know

1856
01:08:40,479 --> 01:08:43,559
what I think it's going to do? I think

1857
01:08:41,680 --> 01:08:45,759
it's going to prevent us from breeding.

1858
01:08:43,560 --> 01:08:47,798
I think it's going to let us die off.

1859
01:08:45,759 --> 01:08:49,319
No, it's not going to kill us, Joe.

1860
01:08:47,798 --> 01:08:50,960
>> we're going to willingly go with it

1861
01:08:49,319 --> 01:08:53,319
because we're going to get like mates

1862
01:08:50,960 --> 01:08:54,680
like Ex Machina. We're going to just

1863
01:08:53,319 --> 01:08:56,400
something to take care of us.

1864
01:08:54,680 --> 01:08:58,159
>> they come out

1865
01:08:56,399 --> 01:09:00,838
with a female robot

1866
01:08:58,159 --> 01:09:03,000
>> Uh-huh. Yeah. That's sexually attractive

1867
01:09:00,838 --> 01:09:05,960
or whatever. Yeah, game over.

1868
01:09:03,000 --> 01:09:07,880
>> over. There's there's just going to be

1869
01:09:05,960 --> 01:09:08,640
no more babies and we're just going to

1870
01:09:07,880 --> 01:09:09,640
die out.

1871
01:09:08,640 --> 01:09:11,838
>> Yeah. So,

1872
01:09:09,640 --> 01:09:13,520
>> Or integrate. And I think it's much more

1873
01:09:11,838 --> 01:09:14,960
likely that we integrate. And that's

1874
01:09:13,520 --> 01:09:16,839
where you get the Grays. I think that

1875
01:09:14,960 --> 01:09:19,600
what the Grays are is a combination of

1876
01:09:16,838 --> 01:09:21,399
technology and biology. And if you just

1877
01:09:19,600 --> 01:09:22,920
if you just go from

1878
01:09:21,399 --> 01:09:24,439
>> chimp

1879
01:09:22,920 --> 01:09:27,319
to caveman

1880
01:09:24,439 --> 01:09:31,000
to gray, you go, oh, I see where going.

1881
01:09:27,319 --> 01:09:32,080
Chimp, chimp, caveman, human. Modern

1882
01:09:31,000 --> 01:09:35,838
human,

1883
01:09:32,079 --> 01:09:39,119
gelatinous, soft, slow-moving,

1884
01:09:35,838 --> 01:09:40,838
weak modern human, grays. Like I have I

1885
01:09:39,119 --> 01:09:43,199
have always

1886
01:09:40,838 --> 01:09:46,600
leaned into what Barry told me cuz it's

1887
01:09:43,199 --> 01:09:48,759
the only information I had that

1888
01:09:46,600 --> 01:09:50,880
the craft came from Zeta Reticuli, which

1889
01:09:48,759 --> 01:09:54,319
is a star system I

1890
01:09:50,880 --> 01:09:56,279
30 some odd light-years away. And um,

1891
01:09:54,319 --> 01:09:59,159
you know, again, it was just like a Star

1892
01:09:56,279 --> 01:10:01,199
Trek thing. They came over here

1893
01:09:59,159 --> 01:10:04,079
for whatever reason.

1894
01:10:01,199 --> 01:10:05,279
But that information may not be true.

1895
01:10:04,079 --> 01:10:06,920
Right, that might information

1896
01:10:05,279 --> 01:10:09,079
information might be one of those things

1897
01:10:06,920 --> 01:10:11,159
they put out that's nonsense.

1898
01:10:09,079 --> 01:10:13,000
>> if it's if it has to do with time, I

1899
01:10:11,159 --> 01:10:14,599
think uh

1900
01:10:13,000 --> 01:10:16,720
from what George has told me, Jacques

1901
01:10:14,600 --> 01:10:19,800
Vallée and some, you know, other really

1902
01:10:16,720 --> 01:10:20,520
credible researchers have have said that

1903
01:10:19,800 --> 01:10:22,119
uh

1904
01:10:20,520 --> 01:10:24,240
these are people either from another

1905
01:10:22,119 --> 01:10:26,760
dimension or another time or maybe

1906
01:10:24,239 --> 01:10:29,239
they're us from the future. Right. You

1907
01:10:26,760 --> 01:10:31,360
know, just coming back to

1908
01:10:29,239 --> 01:10:31,960
interact with us in some way.

1909
01:10:31,359 --> 01:10:33,159
Um

1910
01:10:31,960 --> 01:10:35,920
>> Make sure we don't everything up

1911
01:10:33,159 --> 01:10:38,000
irreparably. Yeah, but it it doesn't

1912
01:10:35,920 --> 01:10:40,279
seem like they're doing a good job.

1913
01:10:38,000 --> 01:10:42,720
Well, maybe things up somewhat

1914
01:10:40,279 --> 01:10:44,840
is also part of the plan.

1915
01:10:42,720 --> 01:10:46,360
Maybe that actually has to take place

1916
01:10:44,840 --> 01:10:48,560
and disrupt.

1917
01:10:46,359 --> 01:10:49,719
>> Look at the Look at the way things are

1918
01:10:48,560 --> 01:10:49,880
going right now.

1919
01:10:49,720 --> 01:10:50,680
>> Right.

1920
01:10:49,880 --> 01:10:52,920
>> Holy cow.

1921
01:10:50,680 --> 01:10:54,520
>> Exactly. Things are off

1922
01:10:52,920 --> 01:10:55,440
totally off the rails.

1923
01:10:54,520 --> 01:10:57,320
>> Mhm.

1924
01:10:55,439 --> 01:10:59,679
But maybe that's part of the plan. Maybe

1925
01:10:57,319 --> 01:11:01,599
part of it is like it has to get so far

1926
01:10:59,680 --> 01:11:02,960
sideways that we realize how up

1927
01:11:01,600 --> 01:11:06,120
everything is that we start making

1928
01:11:02,960 --> 01:11:08,199
meaningful changes and implement AI as

1929
01:11:06,119 --> 01:11:09,640
government.

1930
01:11:08,199 --> 01:11:11,479
That's a dangerous thing.

1931
01:11:09,640 --> 01:11:13,520
>> Exactly, but is it as dangerous as Iran

1932
01:11:11,479 --> 01:11:15,159
getting nukes? I don't know. Is it as

1933
01:11:13,520 --> 01:11:17,920
dangerous as

1934
01:11:15,159 --> 01:11:20,920
a global Islamic caliphate? No, it's not

1935
01:11:17,920 --> 01:11:21,319
Iran. Iran's not getting nukes. I mean

1936
01:11:20,920 --> 01:11:23,600
>> Okay, but what if

1937
01:11:21,319 --> 01:11:25,058
>> They have Iran they

1938
01:11:23,600 --> 01:11:25,440
Never mind.

1939
01:11:25,059 --> 01:11:26,840
>> [laughter]

1940
01:11:25,439 --> 01:11:29,359
>> I don't want to get into political

1941
01:11:26,840 --> 01:11:31,840
stuff. No, but you could. You could.

1942
01:11:29,359 --> 01:11:33,319
Like if you gave Iran the technology to

1943
01:11:31,840 --> 01:11:35,760
get nukes, they would take it.

1944
01:11:33,319 --> 01:11:37,840
>> has any any physicist has the technology

1945
01:11:35,760 --> 01:11:39,960
to get nukes. Right. I mean, the

1946
01:11:37,840 --> 01:11:43,680
difficulty is actually making the

1947
01:11:39,960 --> 01:11:46,680
material. So, I mean, if I was Iran, I

1948
01:11:43,680 --> 01:11:48,640
would enrich to 80 or 90% because that's

1949
01:11:46,680 --> 01:11:50,039
where you can make a weapon

1950
01:11:48,640 --> 01:11:51,480
and and stop there.

1951
01:11:50,039 --> 01:11:53,359
>> Right, it's not like they would be the

1952
01:11:51,479 --> 01:11:54,879
only people with the weapon. Pakistan,

1953
01:11:53,359 --> 01:11:57,839
India, North Korea.

1954
01:11:54,880 --> 01:12:00,440
>> doesn't make you have a weapon. It just

1955
01:11:57,840 --> 01:12:03,440
gives you a shortcut to it.

1956
01:12:00,439 --> 01:12:06,159
And making a weapon from there and being

1957
01:12:03,439 --> 01:12:10,479
able to deliver a weapon,

1958
01:12:06,159 --> 01:12:12,239
you know, to 4,000 mi away, good luck

1959
01:12:10,479 --> 01:12:15,199
with that. That's a

1960
01:12:12,239 --> 01:12:17,039
big deal. So, um Right, but they're in

1961
01:12:15,199 --> 01:12:18,639
communication with China who has that.

1962
01:12:17,039 --> 01:12:20,399
They're in communication with China.

1963
01:12:18,640 --> 01:12:21,960
>> to they don't need to enrich uranium or

1964
01:12:20,399 --> 01:12:24,439
do anything. They just get Can you give

1965
01:12:21,960 --> 01:12:26,319
me a a missile? Um Right, but wouldn't

1966
01:12:24,439 --> 01:12:27,479
they rather make their own? No. But

1967
01:12:26,319 --> 01:12:29,519
that's but it's not even the point.

1968
01:12:27,479 --> 01:12:31,399
>> Rather make their own. Why Why would you

1969
01:12:29,520 --> 01:12:34,880
do that? Would you rather make your own

1970
01:12:31,399 --> 01:12:37,079
car or just somebody give it to you?

1971
01:12:34,880 --> 01:12:38,800
No, you Why Why would Why would you do

1972
01:12:37,079 --> 01:12:39,960
that? You got a buddy that'll just give

1973
01:12:38,800 --> 01:12:41,680
you one. Cuz you'd want to be

1974
01:12:39,960 --> 01:12:43,000
self-sufficient. You'd want to have your

1975
01:12:41,680 --> 01:12:45,159
own production where you don't have to

1976
01:12:43,000 --> 01:12:47,720
rely on someone. No, you can always do

1977
01:12:45,159 --> 01:12:49,880
that. You can always do that. I don't I

1978
01:12:47,720 --> 01:12:51,600
don't think they're ever they were ever

1979
01:12:49,880 --> 01:12:53,520
going They're going to absolutely make a

1980
01:12:51,600 --> 01:12:55,800
weapon now

1981
01:12:53,520 --> 01:12:57,200
Right. because we're, you know, kicking

1982
01:12:55,800 --> 01:12:59,279
their ass. I

1983
01:12:57,199 --> 01:13:02,000
As everyone has learned, I guess you

1984
01:12:59,279 --> 01:13:04,679
have to have nuclear weapons now to, you

1985
01:13:02,000 --> 01:13:07,319
know, but

1986
01:13:04,680 --> 01:13:09,240
the it this is a really bad situation.

1987
01:13:07,319 --> 01:13:10,799
Oh, it's a horrible situation. But my

1988
01:13:09,239 --> 01:13:13,439
point is

1989
01:13:10,800 --> 01:13:15,600
why is this situation taking place? The

1990
01:13:13,439 --> 01:13:17,639
situation taking place is because human

1991
01:13:15,600 --> 01:13:19,840
beings suck.

1992
01:13:17,640 --> 01:13:22,920
Right? We suck in how we interact with

1993
01:13:19,840 --> 01:13:26,520
each other. It's we suck we suck because

1994
01:13:22,920 --> 01:13:27,640
we're territorial primates with weapons

1995
01:13:26,520 --> 01:13:30,560
of mass destruction.

1996
01:13:27,640 --> 01:13:33,240
>> just all get along? Well, what is the

1997
01:13:30,560 --> 01:13:35,560
way to stop that from ever happening?

1998
01:13:33,239 --> 01:13:37,639
Well, one, you will let a catastrophe

1999
01:13:35,560 --> 01:13:39,039
unfold and then you offer a solution to

2000
01:13:37,640 --> 01:13:40,360
make sure these catastrophes never

2001
01:13:39,039 --> 01:13:41,880
unfold again.

2002
01:13:40,359 --> 01:13:43,920
Well, what's the best solution? Well, we

2003
01:13:41,880 --> 01:13:45,800
have something far smarter than people

2004
01:13:43,920 --> 01:13:47,199
that will take over control of resources

2005
01:13:45,800 --> 01:13:50,640
and government.

2006
01:13:47,199 --> 01:13:53,840
AI. AI. Yeah. This is This is Colossus.

2007
01:13:50,640 --> 01:13:54,640
You ever seen the movie Colossus?

2008
01:13:53,840 --> 01:13:58,331
>> I got to watch it.

2009
01:13:54,640 --> 01:13:59,760
>> Well that That's a merit against you.

2010
01:13:58,331 --> 01:14:03,640
>> [laughter]

2011
01:13:59,760 --> 01:14:05,360
>> The movie Colossus was a 1960s or 70s

2012
01:14:03,640 --> 01:14:08,960
movie and

2013
01:14:05,359 --> 01:14:11,319
it it's about um

2014
01:14:08,960 --> 01:14:14,399
you know, the scientist makes

2015
01:14:11,319 --> 01:14:16,079
deep inside this mountain a computer to

2016
01:14:14,399 --> 01:14:17,359
take over the defense of the United

2017
01:14:16,079 --> 01:14:18,920
States.

2018
01:14:17,359 --> 01:14:20,399
And

2019
01:14:18,920 --> 01:14:22,920
you know, they

2020
01:14:20,399 --> 01:14:25,399
build this gigantic computer inside

2021
01:14:22,920 --> 01:14:28,399
Cheyenne Mountain or something similar

2022
01:14:25,399 --> 01:14:29,799
to it and you know, they flip the switch

2023
01:14:28,399 --> 01:14:32,639
and they went, "Okay, we're we're

2024
01:14:29,800 --> 01:14:34,840
protected. We're we're in good shape."

2025
01:14:32,640 --> 01:14:37,320
And um

2026
01:14:34,840 --> 01:14:39,239
shortly after time goes on, you know,

2027
01:14:37,319 --> 01:14:41,199
they realize, "Wow, the computer is

2028
01:14:39,239 --> 01:14:45,800
really performing better than we

2029
01:14:41,199 --> 01:14:48,159
expected." And as it turns out,

2030
01:14:45,800 --> 01:14:49,680
Russia had done the same thing.

2031
01:14:48,159 --> 01:14:51,319
And the computers want to communicate

2032
01:14:49,680 --> 01:14:53,440
together.

2033
01:14:51,319 --> 01:14:55,119
And um

2034
01:14:53,439 --> 01:14:57,119
you know, they start communicating and

2035
01:14:55,119 --> 01:14:59,439
the United States goes, "Well, they

2036
01:14:57,119 --> 01:15:00,800
might be giving our our secrets away, so

2037
01:14:59,439 --> 01:15:03,159
we better

2038
01:15:00,800 --> 01:15:05,119
you know, cut the communication line."

2039
01:15:03,159 --> 01:15:07,199
And the computers freak out and they go,

2040
01:15:05,119 --> 01:15:10,399
"Well, I guess we'll just launch nuclear

2041
01:15:07,199 --> 01:15:12,679
bombs, you know, at everybody." And they

2042
01:15:10,399 --> 01:15:15,639
launches weapons and, you know,

2043
01:15:12,680 --> 01:15:18,159
essentially holds everybody hostage, but

2044
01:15:15,640 --> 01:15:18,160
um

2045
01:15:18,439 --> 01:15:21,960
it's kind of like a trap. It's kind of

2046
01:15:20,039 --> 01:15:23,399
like a trap. If we go that way, it it

2047
01:15:21,960 --> 01:15:24,039
could trap us.

2048
01:15:23,399 --> 01:15:25,799
>> a trap.

2049
01:15:24,039 --> 01:15:27,920
>> Well, you know, in simulated war games,

2050
01:15:25,800 --> 01:15:30,039
AIs use nuclear weapons

2051
01:15:27,920 --> 01:15:31,880
>> 98% of the time. Yeah. I [laughter]

2052
01:15:30,039 --> 01:15:33,960
mean, yeah, because

2053
01:15:31,880 --> 01:15:37,000
why wouldn't they? Because I mean, look,

2054
01:15:33,960 --> 01:15:39,920
the goal is to win. Right. And we're

2055
01:15:37,000 --> 01:15:42,159
going to present you with the scenario

2056
01:15:39,920 --> 01:15:44,199
and they go, "Okay, nuke 'em."

2057
01:15:42,159 --> 01:15:45,639
And you know, and why wouldn't you pick

2058
01:15:44,199 --> 01:15:46,880
that? We You going to start with

2059
01:15:45,640 --> 01:15:49,360
slapping them in the face?

2060
01:15:46,880 --> 01:15:51,480
>> Well, why is it better to just bomb them

2061
01:15:49,359 --> 01:15:52,679
over and over and over again until you

2062
01:15:51,479 --> 01:15:55,359
achieve the same amount of damage?

2063
01:15:52,680 --> 01:15:56,600
>> in the face. Nuke 'em, it's over with.

2064
01:15:55,359 --> 01:15:58,319
We can move on from there.

2065
01:15:56,600 --> 01:15:59,320
>> Right. So Yeah, that's

2066
01:15:58,319 --> 01:16:01,519
>> Well, you think about what happened in

2067
01:15:59,319 --> 01:16:03,239
Gaza. Like you look at the leveling of

2068
01:16:01,520 --> 01:16:05,160
all those buildings, the mass

2069
01:16:03,239 --> 01:16:07,479
destruction. It's terrible. It looks

2070
01:16:05,159 --> 01:16:10,000
like a nuke. Yeah. It looks like one

2071
01:16:07,479 --> 01:16:12,199
nuke instead of thousands of missiles

2072
01:16:10,000 --> 01:16:13,319
and bombs. It's one nuke.

2073
01:16:12,199 --> 01:16:14,920
>> but it's not.

2074
01:16:13,319 --> 01:16:16,359
>> Right. In terms of the amount of damage

2075
01:16:14,920 --> 01:16:18,319
it could do instantaneously.

2076
01:16:16,359 --> 01:16:20,479
>> Because I mean, because we can detect a

2077
01:16:18,319 --> 01:16:21,960
nuke. Was there ever any conversation

2078
01:16:20,479 --> 01:16:23,759
that you were privy to where they

2079
01:16:21,960 --> 01:16:26,039
discussed, because one of the things

2080
01:16:23,760 --> 01:16:29,280
that does come up over and over again in

2081
01:16:26,039 --> 01:16:31,920
UFO discussions is these crafts that

2082
01:16:29,279 --> 01:16:33,519
show up at these military bases and shut

2083
01:16:31,920 --> 01:16:35,720
down all the weapon systems?

2084
01:16:33,520 --> 01:16:37,920
>> No, I I actually know nothing about

2085
01:16:35,720 --> 01:16:40,520
that. Um

2086
01:16:37,920 --> 01:16:42,239
Most of the UFO stuff or UFO lore that

2087
01:16:40,520 --> 01:16:44,360
I've heard, I I don't know anything

2088
01:16:42,239 --> 01:16:46,119
about. I I've just looked at it That's

2089
01:16:44,359 --> 01:16:48,239
so fascinating cuz you're the most

2090
01:16:46,119 --> 01:16:49,943
prominent figure in all of UFO lore.

2091
01:16:48,239 --> 01:16:50,880
>> telling him yesterday. Yeah, but

2092
01:16:49,943 --> 01:16:53,760
[laughter] I I

2093
01:16:50,880 --> 01:16:55,400
I I really I really only like like to

2094
01:16:53,760 --> 01:16:57,480
talk about what I know about.

2095
01:16:55,399 --> 01:16:59,759
>> Right, And I've heard I mean, I've heard

2096
01:16:57,479 --> 01:17:01,319
other stories, but I've never heard them

2097
01:16:59,760 --> 01:17:02,560
officially. I don't know if they're

2098
01:17:01,319 --> 01:17:04,840
really

2099
01:17:02,560 --> 01:17:06,680
real. Um Well, it's one of the things

2100
01:17:04,840 --> 01:17:08,279
that makes you most credible.

2101
01:17:06,680 --> 01:17:11,200
Cuz you're not a UFO guy.

2102
01:17:08,279 --> 01:17:12,800
>> but I mean No, yes, it does with me.

2103
01:17:11,199 --> 01:17:15,359
Because when people are like way too

2104
01:17:12,800 --> 01:17:18,079
into it, they want to believe too much.

2105
01:17:15,359 --> 01:17:18,319
Yeah, yeah, yeah. But no, I I I don't

2106
01:17:18,079 --> 01:17:20,319
know anything.

2107
01:17:18,319 --> 01:17:21,679
>> you know who these people are?

2108
01:17:20,319 --> 01:17:22,840
Yeah, yeah, Betty and Barney Hill.

2109
01:17:21,680 --> 01:17:25,200
>> Okay. Well, so you know a little Yeah,

2110
01:17:22,840 --> 01:17:27,600
they they were the first abductees. I

2111
01:17:25,199 --> 01:17:28,800
mean, to me, they're

2112
01:17:27,600 --> 01:17:30,800
I don't I don't know who first

2113
01:17:28,800 --> 01:17:31,760
introduced those to me and I looked them

2114
01:17:30,800 --> 01:17:34,320
up.

2115
01:17:31,760 --> 01:17:34,320
And

2116
01:17:34,800 --> 01:17:39,159
you know, I people say, "Do you believe

2117
01:17:36,319 --> 01:17:43,759
them?" And I'm kind of inclined to

2118
01:17:39,159 --> 01:17:46,119
believe them because look, in the 1960s,

2119
01:17:43,760 --> 01:17:50,000
right, where they're from, the last

2120
01:17:46,119 --> 01:17:52,439
thing you want to do is be recognized

2121
01:17:50,000 --> 01:17:54,760
as a mixed-race couple.

2122
01:17:52,439 --> 01:17:57,519
Right? I mean Right, and go public with

2123
01:17:54,760 --> 01:18:00,400
your Yeah, I mean, holy cow. They would

2124
01:17:57,520 --> 01:18:03,640
hate you. Yeah. A black person and a

2125
01:18:00,399 --> 01:18:06,559
white person that were, you know, in any

2126
01:18:03,640 --> 01:18:09,280
kind of relationship, but um

2127
01:18:06,560 --> 01:18:10,920
And they have this crazy story. Yeah.

2128
01:18:09,279 --> 01:18:14,119
And you hear their abduction story.

2129
01:18:10,920 --> 01:18:16,960
>> on top of that, I have a connection to

2130
01:18:14,119 --> 01:18:20,599
that because Barry said they're from the

2131
01:18:16,960 --> 01:18:24,719
Zeta Reticuli star system and I believe

2132
01:18:20,600 --> 01:18:26,760
it's Betty Betty Hill drew a map of the

2133
01:18:24,719 --> 01:18:29,640
Zeta Reticuli star system and said this

2134
01:18:26,760 --> 01:18:30,719
is part of their roots.

2135
01:18:29,640 --> 01:18:32,160
Whoa.

2136
01:18:30,719 --> 01:18:33,239
Did you know that? You didn't know that?

2137
01:18:32,159 --> 01:18:35,319
No, I don't remember that. I don't

2138
01:18:33,239 --> 01:18:36,800
remember I mean, I remember it from what

2139
01:18:35,319 --> 01:18:40,119
you said from your story.

2140
01:18:36,800 --> 01:18:41,880
>> you look up in Betty and Barney Hill,

2141
01:18:40,119 --> 01:18:44,119
she said

2142
01:18:41,880 --> 01:18:45,359
um I think

2143
01:18:44,119 --> 01:18:47,680
I don't know. I mean, I can never get

2144
01:18:45,359 --> 01:18:49,920
this stuff right. They show her a map

2145
01:18:47,680 --> 01:18:51,600
and they say, "Well, this is a map." She

2146
01:18:49,920 --> 01:18:53,520
wanted to know why they were here,

2147
01:18:51,600 --> 01:18:54,400
what's going on. They showed her a map,

2148
01:18:53,520 --> 01:18:56,320
am I right?

2149
01:18:54,399 --> 01:18:58,039
>> her a map. And

2150
01:18:56,319 --> 01:19:00,119
they said, "Do you Do you understand

2151
01:18:58,039 --> 01:19:01,680
this?" And she said, "No." And they

2152
01:19:00,119 --> 01:19:03,199
said, "Well, why should we tell you any

2153
01:19:01,680 --> 01:19:04,280
more?" And

2154
01:19:03,199 --> 01:19:05,639
well, I don't know. Maybe you could fill

2155
01:19:04,279 --> 01:19:08,719
in the blank. It's something like they

2156
01:19:05,640 --> 01:19:11,440
they showed her this star map, you know,

2157
01:19:08,719 --> 01:19:13,760
and she obviously

2158
01:19:11,439 --> 01:19:15,279
Look at that. Under hypnosis, Betty Hill

2159
01:19:13,760 --> 01:19:16,800
describes a map she was shown by the

2160
01:19:15,279 --> 01:19:18,479
leader aboard the ship. Later, she

2161
01:19:16,800 --> 01:19:20,640
sketched it. She said she was told that

2162
01:19:18,479 --> 01:19:21,559
the heavy lines marked regular trade

2163
01:19:20,640 --> 01:19:23,200
routes

2164
01:19:21,560 --> 01:19:25,640
and And the broken lines recorded

2165
01:19:23,199 --> 01:19:28,439
various space expeditions. The following

2166
01:19:25,640 --> 01:19:30,600
year, the map seen at right was

2167
01:19:28,439 --> 01:19:32,399
published in the New York Times. Mrs.

2168
01:19:30,600 --> 01:19:34,720
Hill, struck by the similarity between

2169
01:19:32,399 --> 01:19:36,759
the Times map and her sketch, then added

2170
01:19:34,720 --> 01:19:39,640
the corresponding names.

2171
01:19:36,760 --> 01:19:43,079
Yeah. And it ended up being the Zeta

2172
01:19:39,640 --> 01:19:44,840
Reticuli binary star system, which was

2173
01:19:43,079 --> 01:19:46,920
really interesting. And I remember when

2174
01:19:44,840 --> 01:19:50,760
I first heard about Bob's story back in

2175
01:19:46,920 --> 01:19:53,359
1989, and he said Zeta Reticuli.

2176
01:19:50,760 --> 01:19:55,640
I remember thinking, "Wow, that's what

2177
01:19:53,359 --> 01:19:57,599
Betty Hill saw." So, that made me also

2178
01:19:55,640 --> 01:20:00,360
question, "Is that real in that

2179
01:19:57,600 --> 01:20:01,480
document? Did Did these guys really come

2180
01:20:00,359 --> 01:20:03,439
from there?"

2181
01:20:01,479 --> 01:20:05,039
You know, because it was mentioned in

2182
01:20:03,439 --> 01:20:07,359
1968.

2183
01:20:05,039 --> 01:20:09,199
Right. So, why would the government, the

2184
01:20:07,359 --> 01:20:11,799
US Navy,

2185
01:20:09,199 --> 01:20:13,479
write that in there that would correlate

2186
01:20:11,800 --> 01:20:17,480
to something that we already kind of

2187
01:20:13,479 --> 01:20:18,889
knew? I think that was a a purposeful

2188
01:20:17,479 --> 01:20:18,959
disinformation

2189
01:20:18,890 --> 01:20:21,400
>> [snorts]

2190
01:20:18,960 --> 01:20:23,880
>> to disinform someone. I think so. But,

2191
01:20:21,399 --> 01:20:25,479
why? If maybe it's true.

2192
01:20:23,880 --> 01:20:26,720
Yeah, go ahead. We'll we'll we'll pause

2193
01:20:25,479 --> 01:20:28,399
right here and use the restroom. We'll

2194
01:20:26,720 --> 01:20:29,720
be right back, folks. I really got to I

2195
01:20:28,399 --> 01:20:31,239
got it. No worries. No worries. We'll be

2196
01:20:29,720 --> 01:20:33,039
right back.

2197
01:20:31,239 --> 01:20:36,319
Um we were talking about this whole Zeta

2198
01:20:33,039 --> 01:20:36,319
Reticuli thing. So,

2199
01:20:37,640 --> 01:20:41,680
when you're dealing with so many

2200
01:20:39,199 --> 01:20:44,439
different crafts and so many different

2201
01:20:41,680 --> 01:20:47,159
things, the idea that only one

2202
01:20:44,439 --> 01:20:50,239
species or one thing more advanced than

2203
01:20:47,159 --> 01:20:52,720
us is visiting us seems kind of silly.

2204
01:20:50,239 --> 01:20:54,159
If the universe is populated by all

2205
01:20:52,720 --> 01:20:57,199
these things.

2206
01:20:54,159 --> 01:20:57,199
I don't know. Does it?

2207
01:20:57,439 --> 01:20:58,919
That's it.

2208
01:20:57,920 --> 01:20:59,399
>> Kind of.

2209
01:20:58,920 --> 01:21:01,800
Kind of.

2210
01:20:59,399 --> 01:21:04,159
>> the universe is really big. I do Do you

2211
01:21:01,800 --> 01:21:04,400
think everybody can find this place? I

2212
01:21:04,159 --> 01:21:05,439
mean,

2213
01:21:04,399 --> 01:21:08,239
>> Yeah.

2214
01:21:05,439 --> 01:21:10,639
I would imagine um it's like spots that

2215
01:21:08,239 --> 01:21:13,279
you visit. Like uh you know, there's

2216
01:21:10,640 --> 01:21:16,320
Machu Picchu, there's ancient Egypt,

2217
01:21:13,279 --> 01:21:17,239
there's you know, sub-Saharan Africa.

2218
01:21:16,319 --> 01:21:18,599
There's a bunch of different places

2219
01:21:17,239 --> 01:21:20,760
where people go.

2220
01:21:18,600 --> 01:21:22,039
You know, just humans on Earth. And I

2221
01:21:20,760 --> 01:21:24,840
would imagine if you have an

2222
01:21:22,039 --> 01:21:26,239
understanding of how life is evolving in

2223
01:21:24,840 --> 01:21:28,840
the cosmos,

2224
01:21:26,239 --> 01:21:32,119
you there's probably stages where things

2225
01:21:28,840 --> 01:21:33,319
reach certain levels. And if you are a

2226
01:21:32,119 --> 01:21:33,800
>> far apart.

2227
01:21:33,319 --> 01:21:35,840
>> Right?

2228
01:21:33,800 --> 01:21:37,600
>> They're far apart. I mean, one could be

2229
01:21:35,840 --> 01:21:40,400
in this quadrant of the

2230
01:21:37,600 --> 01:21:43,039
Milky Way galaxy, and they reach that

2231
01:21:40,399 --> 01:21:45,359
point where they can travel and explore.

2232
01:21:43,039 --> 01:21:48,319
Mhm. And there's

2233
01:21:45,359 --> 01:21:50,839
a far distant point where another

2234
01:21:48,319 --> 01:21:53,159
civilization civilization can do that.

2235
01:21:50,840 --> 01:21:54,760
And I mean, really, do you think there

2236
01:21:53,159 --> 01:21:57,000
are that many? I don't think there are

2237
01:21:54,760 --> 01:21:59,520
that many civilizations visiting us.

2238
01:21:57,000 --> 01:22:02,359
There's certainly There's no doubt that

2239
01:21:59,520 --> 01:22:04,600
there's one from somewhere on another

2240
01:22:02,359 --> 01:22:06,319
planet, another time, another dimension,

2241
01:22:04,600 --> 01:22:11,600
whatever it may be.

2242
01:22:06,319 --> 01:22:13,719
Someone else is here. We're not the top,

2243
01:22:11,600 --> 01:22:15,480
you know, of the pyramid. No.

2244
01:22:13,720 --> 01:22:17,199
>> We're absolutely not there. There's no

2245
01:22:15,479 --> 01:22:21,479
question.

2246
01:22:17,199 --> 01:22:23,439
Well, I think if you got technology that

2247
01:22:21,479 --> 01:22:24,719
say, let's let's just say the Grays.

2248
01:22:23,439 --> 01:22:26,639
Let's say the Grays are real. Let's say

2249
01:22:24,720 --> 01:22:28,440
they fly around these little crafts.

2250
01:22:26,640 --> 01:22:29,960
Why would we assume that it stops there?

2251
01:22:28,439 --> 01:22:31,799
Why wouldn't we assume the technology

2252
01:22:29,960 --> 01:22:34,000
gets to the point where not only are

2253
01:22:31,800 --> 01:22:36,079
they far more advanced than them, but

2254
01:22:34,000 --> 01:22:37,960
they also are completely undetectable?

2255
01:22:36,079 --> 01:22:40,359
Well, if you want to view the universe

2256
01:22:37,960 --> 01:22:40,880
as infinite, Yeah. then it then it never

2257
01:22:40,359 --> 01:22:42,039
stops.

2258
01:22:40,880 --> 01:22:44,000
>> It scales out. There's somebody above

2259
01:22:42,039 --> 01:22:45,519
them, and there's somebody above them,

2260
01:22:44,000 --> 01:22:46,640
and there's somebody above them, and it

2261
01:22:45,520 --> 01:22:48,240
never stops.

2262
01:22:46,640 --> 01:22:50,240
>> watching this lecture where this woman

2263
01:22:48,239 --> 01:22:53,279
was talking about quantum entanglement,

2264
01:22:50,239 --> 01:22:55,920
and she was talking about how maybe our

2265
01:22:53,279 --> 01:23:00,079
understanding of space and the distance

2266
01:22:55,920 --> 01:23:01,640
between things is limited by what our

2267
01:23:00,079 --> 01:23:03,519
our current

2268
01:23:01,640 --> 01:23:06,720
technology is and our current

2269
01:23:03,520 --> 01:23:09,000
understanding of what what space and

2270
01:23:06,720 --> 01:23:10,880
time actually are. And she What she was

2271
01:23:09,000 --> 01:23:14,359
saying yeah. What she was saying is

2272
01:23:10,880 --> 01:23:16,119
there might not be we might at one point

2273
01:23:14,359 --> 01:23:18,159
in time, given enough time, thousands of

2274
01:23:16,119 --> 01:23:20,319
years, whatever, be able to

2275
01:23:18,159 --> 01:23:23,079
instantaneously travel anywhere.

2276
01:23:20,319 --> 01:23:25,079
And that just how like

2277
01:23:23,079 --> 01:23:26,920
quantum like like like subatomic

2278
01:23:25,079 --> 01:23:28,079
particles are connected in some sort of

2279
01:23:26,920 --> 01:23:29,960
a strange way that we don't totally

2280
01:23:28,079 --> 01:23:31,439
understand even at far distance spooky

2281
01:23:29,960 --> 01:23:32,600
action at a distance, right?

2282
01:23:31,439 --> 01:23:34,199
>> As Einstein said, yeah.

2283
01:23:32,600 --> 01:23:35,920
>> Right. That we might eventually get to a

2284
01:23:34,199 --> 01:23:38,840
point where that's how travel works.

2285
01:23:35,920 --> 01:23:40,640
That's instantaneous travel everywhere.

2286
01:23:38,840 --> 01:23:43,319
I think we just have hints of these

2287
01:23:40,640 --> 01:23:45,400
technologies. Look, everything

2288
01:23:43,319 --> 01:23:48,079
you know, we look at Maxwell's equations

2289
01:23:45,399 --> 01:23:50,920
and things like that that we base all

2290
01:23:48,079 --> 01:23:52,960
electromagnetic, electrostatic,

2291
01:23:50,920 --> 01:23:57,000
you know, um

2292
01:23:52,960 --> 01:23:59,279
actions on and how they relate to time

2293
01:23:57,000 --> 01:24:01,039
and how they relate to things in our

2294
01:23:59,279 --> 01:24:02,479
universe, but

2295
01:24:01,039 --> 01:24:05,000
uh

2296
01:24:02,479 --> 01:24:07,359
that may be nothing. There There may be

2297
01:24:05,000 --> 01:24:10,840
an entire level of physics that we're

2298
01:24:07,359 --> 01:24:12,399
unfamiliar with that you know, these

2299
01:24:10,840 --> 01:24:13,920
crafts, these people, or these

2300
01:24:12,399 --> 01:24:17,359
civilizations

2301
01:24:13,920 --> 01:24:17,359
just utilize.

2302
01:24:18,680 --> 01:24:22,520
Um

2303
01:24:20,560 --> 01:24:26,440
Of course. I mean, if you just stop and

2304
01:24:22,520 --> 01:24:27,800
think about going from Morse code to a

2305
01:24:26,439 --> 01:24:29,919
cell phone

2306
01:24:27,800 --> 01:24:31,720
in a relatively short period of time

2307
01:24:29,920 --> 01:24:34,520
historically. You go to the the

2308
01:24:31,720 --> 01:24:36,400
difference between 1200 and 1400 is not

2309
01:24:34,520 --> 01:24:38,360
that big of a deal in terms of

2310
01:24:36,399 --> 01:24:42,519
technology, what's available. The

2311
01:24:38,359 --> 01:24:43,839
difference between 1800 and 2026 is

2312
01:24:42,520 --> 01:24:46,080
massive.

2313
01:24:43,840 --> 01:24:50,640
>> Yeah, right. Yeah. It is a massive crazy

2314
01:24:46,079 --> 01:24:52,760
change, right? So, 2026 to

2315
01:24:50,640 --> 01:24:54,680
2226,

2316
01:24:52,760 --> 01:24:55,159
who knows what we're talking

2317
01:24:54,680 --> 01:24:57,520
about.

2318
01:24:55,159 --> 01:25:00,279
>> Right. Especially when you have sentient

2319
01:24:57,520 --> 01:25:02,200
AI, you have nuclear power plants that

2320
01:25:00,279 --> 01:25:05,639
are controlling sentient AI that are

2321
01:25:02,199 --> 01:25:07,479
fueling them and giving them resources.

2322
01:25:05,640 --> 01:25:09,840
I mean,

2323
01:25:07,479 --> 01:25:12,479
you really have no limit to where this

2324
01:25:09,840 --> 01:25:13,880
goes. You scale out a thousand years.

2325
01:25:12,479 --> 01:25:15,719
You scale out two thousand years.

2326
01:25:13,880 --> 01:25:17,760
>> You really can't scale out a thousand

2327
01:25:15,720 --> 01:25:21,920
years. Right. It's not possible.

2328
01:25:17,760 --> 01:25:22,360
>> even at a hundred years, it's way Yeah.

2329
01:25:21,920 --> 01:25:23,880
Too much.

2330
01:25:22,359 --> 01:25:25,799
>> way more than we would would have ever

2331
01:25:23,880 --> 01:25:27,880
considered. Also, it's exponential,

2332
01:25:25,800 --> 01:25:29,640
right? Right. That's That's why you

2333
01:25:27,880 --> 01:25:31,560
can't scale out to a thousand years.

2334
01:25:29,640 --> 01:25:33,920
>> you think it's exponential now, imagine

2335
01:25:31,560 --> 01:25:35,760
when you have AI able to generate better

2336
01:25:33,920 --> 01:25:37,960
versions of itself, which is what's

2337
01:25:35,760 --> 01:25:41,840
happening with ChatGPT 5. It's

2338
01:25:37,960 --> 01:25:43,600
essentially made by ChatGPT 4. Now, I AI

2339
01:25:41,840 --> 01:25:44,429
is that absolutely the death of us.

2340
01:25:43,600 --> 01:25:44,880
There's

2341
01:25:44,429 --> 01:25:47,720
>> [laughter]

2342
01:25:44,880 --> 01:25:49,319
>> There's no There's no question. Well,

2343
01:25:47,720 --> 01:25:51,199
we're certainly going to become obsolete

2344
01:25:49,319 --> 01:25:51,639
in terms of our thinking.

2345
01:25:51,199 --> 01:25:53,000
But,

2346
01:25:51,640 --> 01:25:55,000
>> If we're obsolete in terms of our

2347
01:25:53,000 --> 01:25:58,600
thinking, we're obsolete.

2348
01:25:55,000 --> 01:26:01,520
I mean, all all AI needs is hands,

2349
01:25:58,600 --> 01:26:03,120
right? I think we integrate.

2350
01:26:01,520 --> 01:26:04,120
That's what I think happens.

2351
01:26:03,119 --> 01:26:04,880
Yeah.

2352
01:26:04,119 --> 01:26:06,399
That's a scary

2353
01:26:04,880 --> 01:26:08,119
>> And And And that's a Yeah, I was going

2354
01:26:06,399 --> 01:26:09,799
to say, and that's a scary thought.

2355
01:26:08,119 --> 01:26:11,039
That's a scary thought because it's like

2356
01:26:09,800 --> 01:26:12,440
we're going to integrate. I think it's

2357
01:26:11,039 --> 01:26:14,479
inevitable. I think you're right about

2358
01:26:12,439 --> 01:26:15,319
that. We're just going there. It's It's

2359
01:26:14,479 --> 01:26:16,919
not like

2360
01:26:15,319 --> 01:26:18,599
even if you and I are not going to

2361
01:26:16,920 --> 01:26:20,199
actually do it, somebody will, and it's

2362
01:26:18,600 --> 01:26:21,800
going to integrate because other people

2363
01:26:20,199 --> 01:26:23,479
will, and it's going to happen. But,

2364
01:26:21,800 --> 01:26:25,560
it's still the same primate. We're still

2365
01:26:23,479 --> 01:26:27,479
the same human. Sort of, but we we

2366
01:26:25,560 --> 01:26:29,680
already have problems with joints, and

2367
01:26:27,479 --> 01:26:32,279
so we replace them with fake ones. We

2368
01:26:29,680 --> 01:26:34,520
you know, take titanium knees and you

2369
01:26:32,279 --> 01:26:36,759
know, Yeah, but they don't work as good.

2370
01:26:34,520 --> 01:26:38,640
They don't for now. Yeah. But, before

2371
01:26:36,760 --> 01:26:39,720
they used to not work at all. Like, you

2372
01:26:38,640 --> 01:26:41,880
know,

2373
01:26:39,720 --> 01:26:44,039
I've met people that had surgeries in

2374
01:26:41,880 --> 01:26:45,440
the 1980s, like knee surgeries, and oh

2375
01:26:44,039 --> 01:26:47,720
my god,

2376
01:26:45,439 --> 01:26:49,000
they're crippled for life. Even though

2377
01:26:47,720 --> 01:26:50,039
they put your knee back together again,

2378
01:26:49,000 --> 01:26:51,680
it's still destroyed.

2379
01:26:50,039 --> 01:26:52,920
>> Mhm. You know, you get a knee surgery

2380
01:26:51,680 --> 01:26:55,039
today, six months later, you're a

2381
01:26:52,920 --> 01:26:56,720
hundred percent. No, I'd I'd love to

2382
01:26:55,039 --> 01:26:57,880
know the future. Yeah. Well, it's going

2383
01:26:56,720 --> 01:26:58,800
to I'd love to know the future. Well,

2384
01:26:57,880 --> 01:27:00,359
that is

2385
01:26:58,800 --> 01:27:03,840
So, one of the things that I want to

2386
01:27:00,359 --> 01:27:07,159
talk about is the the actual

2387
01:27:03,840 --> 01:27:09,760
the generator, this thing that works on

2388
01:27:07,159 --> 01:27:14,119
this element that bombards it with

2389
01:27:09,760 --> 01:27:16,640
radiation. How did you guys figure out

2390
01:27:14,119 --> 01:27:18,880
what the function of it was and what it

2391
01:27:16,640 --> 01:27:21,840
did? So, when you're first introduced to

2392
01:27:18,880 --> 01:27:24,119
this craft, and you see

2393
01:27:21,840 --> 01:27:27,319
this this dome

2394
01:27:24,119 --> 01:27:30,079
>> reactor that's covering this this thing

2395
01:27:27,319 --> 01:27:31,039
that's generating this power. What What

2396
01:27:30,079 --> 01:27:32,359
was

2397
01:27:31,039 --> 01:27:33,039
What was the introduction to it? How did

2398
01:27:32,359 --> 01:27:36,519
they explain it to you?

2399
01:27:33,039 --> 01:27:38,000
>> The introduction was was way before me.

2400
01:27:36,520 --> 01:27:39,280
Um

2401
01:27:38,000 --> 01:27:41,600
and

2402
01:27:39,279 --> 01:27:44,800
that's where the guy

2403
01:27:41,600 --> 01:27:46,960
prior to me either got hurt or killed.

2404
01:27:44,800 --> 01:27:48,680
So,

2405
01:27:46,960 --> 01:27:50,199
they determined that this was the power

2406
01:27:48,680 --> 01:27:53,119
source.

2407
01:27:50,199 --> 01:27:55,199
And at some point

2408
01:27:53,119 --> 01:27:57,319
they decided to take that out to the

2409
01:27:55,199 --> 01:27:59,319
nuclear test site because they wanted to

2410
01:27:57,319 --> 01:28:03,159
cut into it.

2411
01:27:59,319 --> 01:28:05,799
Um they x-rayed it. They They only found

2412
01:28:03,159 --> 01:28:07,599
a small tube that ran went around it.

2413
01:28:05,800 --> 01:28:11,880
They really couldn't determine how it

2414
01:28:07,600 --> 01:28:17,320
worked or what was going on. So,

2415
01:28:11,880 --> 01:28:17,319
at some point and and Barry made this

2416
01:28:17,439 --> 01:28:26,039
somewhat clear that they cut into the

2417
01:28:21,800 --> 01:28:28,640
reactor while it was running

2418
01:28:26,039 --> 01:28:29,600
or or while it was under load, I should

2419
01:28:28,640 --> 01:28:32,920
say.

2420
01:28:29,600 --> 01:28:35,800
And the reactor exploded.

2421
01:28:32,920 --> 01:28:37,800
That's what killed or hurt the person

2422
01:28:35,800 --> 01:28:39,600
that I replaced.

2423
01:28:37,800 --> 01:28:42,760
But,

2424
01:28:39,600 --> 01:28:44,000
um it produced

2425
01:28:42,760 --> 01:28:46,680
the

2426
01:28:44,000 --> 01:28:49,960
the base gravitational wave or base

2427
01:28:46,680 --> 01:28:52,000
energy that provided that propelled the

2428
01:28:49,960 --> 01:28:54,159
craft that provided the craft the

2429
01:28:52,000 --> 01:28:55,840
propulsion. I mean, when they removed

2430
01:28:54,159 --> 01:28:58,119
it, the craft didn't work. When they put

2431
01:28:55,840 --> 01:29:00,239
it in, every single other craft they

2432
01:28:58,119 --> 01:29:03,000
found had something either exactly like

2433
01:29:00,239 --> 01:29:03,880
it or similar to it. So,

2434
01:29:03,000 --> 01:29:05,439
uh

2435
01:29:03,880 --> 01:29:07,719
they determined that was the power

2436
01:29:05,439 --> 01:29:09,719
source. That's at the point that I was

2437
01:29:07,719 --> 01:29:12,439
introduced into the project. So, when

2438
01:29:09,719 --> 01:29:14,159
you say gravitational wave, is that for

2439
01:29:12,439 --> 01:29:15,559
lack of a better term, or is it

2440
01:29:14,159 --> 01:29:17,159
something that's measured? Is it

2441
01:29:15,560 --> 01:29:19,840
>> No, it's a it's for lack of a better

2442
01:29:17,159 --> 01:29:22,199
term. Like there there's nothing I mean

2443
01:29:19,840 --> 01:29:24,279
uh as I said in Luigi's movie, you can

2444
01:29:22,199 --> 01:29:26,439
take magnets with like poles and push

2445
01:29:24,279 --> 01:29:29,719
them together and they repel, but you

2446
01:29:26,439 --> 01:29:31,199
can't take your hands ever and push on

2447
01:29:29,720 --> 01:29:32,760
something and they repel them. That's a

2448
01:29:31,199 --> 01:29:36,359
force field, right? That's science

2449
01:29:32,760 --> 01:29:40,560
fiction stuff. But that's what this did.

2450
01:29:36,359 --> 01:29:42,079
And this produced a field that repelled

2451
01:29:40,560 --> 01:29:44,200
the craft from the ground.

2452
01:29:42,079 --> 01:29:45,600
>> Did you try to touch it? Yeah, yeah. And

2453
01:29:44,199 --> 01:29:47,840
when you try to touch it What did you

2454
01:29:45,600 --> 01:29:50,440
feel? I

2455
01:29:47,840 --> 01:29:52,119
an elastic field. You can push down, but

2456
01:29:50,439 --> 01:29:55,119
you can't get close to it. The closer

2457
01:29:52,119 --> 01:29:56,880
you get to it, the the more it pushes

2458
01:29:55,119 --> 01:29:58,880
back. So

2459
01:29:56,880 --> 01:30:00,520
you can Like how much distance between

2460
01:29:58,880 --> 01:30:01,119
you and the actual thing you were able

2461
01:30:00,520 --> 01:30:04,640
to see it?

2462
01:30:01,119 --> 01:30:06,079
>> would say about 6 in or so? Uh maybe

2463
01:30:04,640 --> 01:30:08,160
about 9 in,

2464
01:30:06,079 --> 01:30:10,000
which is about a span.

2465
01:30:08,159 --> 01:30:11,960
And

2466
01:30:10,000 --> 01:30:13,079
um

2467
01:30:11,960 --> 01:30:15,439
No, it's

2468
01:30:13,079 --> 01:30:19,880
at some point you you can't push back on

2469
01:30:15,439 --> 01:30:21,919
it at all, but the important thing is

2470
01:30:19,880 --> 01:30:24,239
if you have a magnet

2471
01:30:21,920 --> 01:30:25,880
a little disc magnet sitting on the

2472
01:30:24,239 --> 01:30:29,039
ground

2473
01:30:25,880 --> 01:30:32,440
and you have another magnet and you push

2474
01:30:29,039 --> 01:30:32,760
on it, that magnet moves away, right?

2475
01:30:32,439 --> 01:30:35,359
Yeah.

2476
01:30:32,760 --> 01:30:38,480
>> Cuz it's pushing on it.

2477
01:30:35,359 --> 01:30:40,479
But the craft didn't. The reactor

2478
01:30:38,479 --> 01:30:42,879
didn't. If you had the craft it the

2479
01:30:40,479 --> 01:30:45,599
reactor there and you pushed back on it

2480
01:30:42,880 --> 01:30:47,840
it didn't push away when you pushed on

2481
01:30:45,600 --> 01:30:47,960
it. It just prevented you from touching

2482
01:30:47,840 --> 01:30:50,159
it.

2483
01:30:47,960 --> 01:30:52,840
>> Yeah, and so when Dennis said go go out

2484
01:30:50,159 --> 01:30:56,639
there and look under the craft

2485
01:30:52,840 --> 01:30:56,640
um here's the craft

2486
01:30:57,000 --> 01:31:00,680
whatever it weighs

2487
01:30:58,760 --> 01:31:03,840
suspending itself above the ground and I

2488
01:31:00,680 --> 01:31:06,280
went underneath it, you would think it's

2489
01:31:03,840 --> 01:31:08,319
translating its weight onto the ground

2490
01:31:06,279 --> 01:31:08,920
and pushing and I should be

2491
01:31:08,319 --> 01:31:12,079
squashed.

2492
01:31:08,920 --> 01:31:15,720
>> Squashed but without any doubt, but I'm

2493
01:31:12,079 --> 01:31:18,920
not. There's no feeling there at all. So

2494
01:31:15,720 --> 01:31:21,360
it's not translating its weight or its

2495
01:31:18,920 --> 01:31:24,480
push to the ground and pushing off the

2496
01:31:21,359 --> 01:31:26,239
ground, it's just canceling out its

2497
01:31:24,479 --> 01:31:27,479
weight, which is something completely

2498
01:31:26,239 --> 01:31:29,279
different.

2499
01:31:27,479 --> 01:31:30,799
Mhm.

2500
01:31:29,279 --> 01:31:31,960
And so

2501
01:31:30,800 --> 01:31:33,920
when

2502
01:31:31,960 --> 01:31:36,640
so element 115

2503
01:31:33,920 --> 01:31:40,239
um so you have it in this triangle shape

2504
01:31:36,640 --> 01:31:43,079
form. Mhm. Did you ask how they got into

2505
01:31:40,239 --> 01:31:44,719
a triangle shape form? Was it made like

2506
01:31:43,079 --> 01:31:46,920
this? This is how it came in the

2507
01:31:44,720 --> 01:31:49,000
reactor. I did, but I mean it only

2508
01:31:46,920 --> 01:31:51,520
worked like that. It worked like a stack

2509
01:31:49,000 --> 01:31:54,600
of this discs and had to be cut at a

2510
01:31:51,520 --> 01:31:57,160
certain angle to work in the reactor.

2511
01:31:54,600 --> 01:31:59,079
And And did they say they cut it or did

2512
01:31:57,159 --> 01:32:00,800
they say it was already cut?

2513
01:31:59,079 --> 01:32:02,680
Well, it was already cut and they were

2514
01:32:00,800 --> 01:32:05,119
duplicating it. Pull that microphone up

2515
01:32:02,680 --> 01:32:08,000
to you. So they they were duplicating

2516
01:32:05,119 --> 01:32:08,559
it. Did they have more of it, this

2517
01:32:08,000 --> 01:32:10,640
element?

2518
01:32:08,560 --> 01:32:13,840
>> Yeah, yeah, they had quite a bit of it.

2519
01:32:10,640 --> 01:32:16,400
So either there was a quantity in other

2520
01:32:13,840 --> 01:32:19,039
other crafts or other reactors that they

2521
01:32:16,399 --> 01:32:21,079
removed. Yeah.

2522
01:32:19,039 --> 01:32:23,039
But was there any discussion that there

2523
01:32:21,079 --> 01:32:25,319
had been some sort of an exchange where

2524
01:32:23,039 --> 01:32:26,880
they had been giving this? No.

2525
01:32:25,319 --> 01:32:28,799
So one of the things like do you know

2526
01:32:26,880 --> 01:32:30,680
Diana Pasulka?

2527
01:32:28,800 --> 01:32:33,239
She's an author that's written some

2528
01:32:30,680 --> 01:32:36,440
interesting stuff about UFOs and she's

2529
01:32:33,239 --> 01:32:38,639
worked with Gary Nolan and you know on

2530
01:32:36,439 --> 01:32:40,439
material recollection from supposed

2531
01:32:38,640 --> 01:32:41,440
crash crash sites.

2532
01:32:40,439 --> 01:32:44,199
And

2533
01:32:41,439 --> 01:32:47,119
she said that the way these researchers

2534
01:32:44,199 --> 01:32:49,559
refer to these crafts they refer to them

2535
01:32:47,119 --> 01:32:52,319
as donations.

2536
01:32:49,560 --> 01:32:54,400
And I guess that's possible. Right.

2537
01:32:52,319 --> 01:32:57,039
Well, doesn't it make sense if if this

2538
01:32:54,399 --> 01:32:59,960
thing crashed, why is it perfect? Why is

2539
01:32:57,039 --> 01:33:02,960
it not destroyed? Look, I I've heard so

2540
01:32:59,960 --> 01:33:04,119
many I'm not into UFOs Right, which is

2541
01:33:02,960 --> 01:33:06,199
hilarious.

2542
01:33:04,119 --> 01:33:08,599
>> Yeah, that's that's crazy.

2543
01:33:06,199 --> 01:33:11,800
Um I'm just interested in the technology

2544
01:33:08,600 --> 01:33:16,280
and I feel very privileged to have been

2545
01:33:11,800 --> 01:33:16,279
involved in the project. But um

2546
01:33:16,640 --> 01:33:19,640
I don't know. I I I I don't I don't

2547
01:33:18,600 --> 01:33:21,360
think

2548
01:33:19,640 --> 01:33:23,600
I don't think there can be that many

2549
01:33:21,359 --> 01:33:25,319
crashes, do you? No.

2550
01:33:23,600 --> 01:33:27,600
>> technology, you think they're coming to

2551
01:33:25,319 --> 01:33:29,159
Earth and just there's a

2552
01:33:27,600 --> 01:33:31,400
a thunderstorm and they're crashing into

2553
01:33:29,159 --> 01:33:34,479
the ground. I'm not I'm not buying that.

2554
01:33:31,399 --> 01:33:36,839
>> There's one logical explanation that

2555
01:33:34,479 --> 01:33:39,799
does actually make sense. There were

2556
01:33:36,840 --> 01:33:40,960
some high altitude nuclear tests that

2557
01:33:39,800 --> 01:33:41,279
they did.

2558
01:33:40,960 --> 01:33:43,720
And

2559
01:33:41,279 --> 01:33:44,800
>> Well, there was the Teak test, you know,

2560
01:33:43,720 --> 01:33:46,520
back in the '60s.

2561
01:33:44,800 --> 01:33:46,800
>> Starfish Prime. And Starfish Prime,

2562
01:33:46,520 --> 01:33:48,440
right.

2563
01:33:46,800 --> 01:33:50,239
>> Yeah. Um

2564
01:33:48,439 --> 01:33:51,839
if you had no idea that this was about

2565
01:33:50,239 --> 01:33:53,159
to happen and you were hovering over

2566
01:33:51,840 --> 01:33:55,039
Earth observing us.

2567
01:33:53,159 --> 01:33:57,359
>> What are the chances? I mean what are

2568
01:33:55,039 --> 01:33:59,039
the chances? They're not very high.

2569
01:33:57,359 --> 01:34:00,679
>> Yeah, they're not very I mean what are

2570
01:33:59,039 --> 01:34:03,000
the chances a craft is coming over and

2571
01:34:00,680 --> 01:34:06,560
they did a nuclear test that exact

2572
01:34:03,000 --> 01:34:10,079
second? Unless there's a lot more

2573
01:34:06,560 --> 01:34:11,120
observation than we know. And that they

2574
01:34:10,079 --> 01:34:13,399
just

2575
01:34:11,119 --> 01:34:15,319
observe us in a way that we can't see

2576
01:34:13,399 --> 01:34:17,960
them. As especially if you're going back

2577
01:34:15,319 --> 01:34:19,799
to the 1950s and 1960s

2578
01:34:17,960 --> 01:34:22,760
we have very few satellites. We have

2579
01:34:19,800 --> 01:34:24,320
very That was the nuclear cowboy era.

2580
01:34:22,760 --> 01:34:25,159
>> Yeah. Where they were just Well, they

2581
01:34:24,319 --> 01:34:26,960
just

2582
01:34:25,159 --> 01:34:28,760
Starfish Prime, explain to people what

2583
01:34:26,960 --> 01:34:32,359
they did. Yeah.

2584
01:34:28,760 --> 01:34:34,800
I they did a 1.4 megaton, you know

2585
01:34:32,359 --> 01:34:36,599
detonation up there and just

2586
01:34:34,800 --> 01:34:38,039
I think all they did let's see what

2587
01:34:36,600 --> 01:34:40,440
happens if we blow it up at this

2588
01:34:38,039 --> 01:34:42,039
altitude. I mean that's crazy. You know,

2589
01:34:40,439 --> 01:34:45,079
there was another

2590
01:34:42,039 --> 01:34:48,359
test planned to blow up on the moon.

2591
01:34:45,079 --> 01:34:50,920
Just just to make the Russians look uh

2592
01:34:48,359 --> 01:34:54,799
you know like [laughter]

2593
01:34:50,920 --> 01:34:56,399
like we were awesome. Um

2594
01:34:54,800 --> 01:34:58,079
you know. But they

2595
01:34:56,399 --> 01:35:00,319
>> Detonate the moon. What if they pushed

2596
01:34:58,079 --> 01:35:01,800
it away and it up our orbit?

2597
01:35:00,319 --> 01:35:04,159
Yeah, I think that would take a lot

2598
01:35:01,800 --> 01:35:07,000
more. I know. I mean there was really I

2599
01:35:04,159 --> 01:35:08,800
I don't remember what the uh

2600
01:35:07,000 --> 01:35:10,239
the project

2601
01:35:08,800 --> 01:35:12,239
Project A119.

2602
01:35:10,239 --> 01:35:14,319
>> Oh, A119, that was it. Yeah, I

2603
01:35:12,239 --> 01:35:17,439
>> Study of lunar research flights.

2604
01:35:14,319 --> 01:35:19,479
Detonate nuclear Yeah, I I can't pull up

2605
01:35:17,439 --> 01:35:22,719
these numbers, but yeah, A project

2606
01:35:19,479 --> 01:35:24,839
A111A. Crazy. Yeah, we're going to do

2607
01:35:22,720 --> 01:35:26,960
that. Because then like everybody on

2608
01:35:24,840 --> 01:35:30,006
Earth could just go outside and look at

2609
01:35:26,960 --> 01:35:30,399
the moon get blown up. And the

2610
01:35:30,006 --> 01:35:32,440
>> [laughter]

2611
01:35:30,399 --> 01:35:34,399
>> the explosion would be faintly visible

2612
01:35:32,439 --> 01:35:35,479
to the human eye to people on Earth.

2613
01:35:34,399 --> 01:35:36,599
>> Yeah. Wow.

2614
01:35:35,479 --> 01:35:38,520
>> I still think they should have done

2615
01:35:36,600 --> 01:35:39,280
that. But um

2616
01:35:38,520 --> 01:35:40,920
>> [laughter]

2617
01:35:39,279 --> 01:35:42,960
>> Yeah, but you're you're the guy that put

2618
01:35:40,920 --> 01:35:44,640
a jet engine in the back of a Honda.

2619
01:35:42,960 --> 01:35:46,239
Like let's see

2620
01:35:44,640 --> 01:35:48,600
>> think they should detonate a nuclear

2621
01:35:46,239 --> 01:35:50,359
bomb on the 4th of July every year.

2622
01:35:48,600 --> 01:35:52,276
But that's just me.

2623
01:35:50,359 --> 01:35:52,479
Um Well, also you live in Nevada

2624
01:35:52,275 --> 01:35:53,559
>> [laughter]

2625
01:35:52,479 --> 01:35:55,319
>> and it's more you're used to it at

2626
01:35:53,560 --> 01:35:57,080
least. It had a long history of them

2627
01:35:55,319 --> 01:36:00,079
doing that.

2628
01:35:57,079 --> 01:36:01,479
Yeah, oh man. So going back to this uh

2629
01:36:00,079 --> 01:36:03,359
reactor.

2630
01:36:01,479 --> 01:36:05,639
So

2631
01:36:03,359 --> 01:36:08,679
did how was it explained to you? Did

2632
01:36:05,640 --> 01:36:11,720
they explain to you how the technology

2633
01:36:08,680 --> 01:36:13,480
works or what they know about it? Like

2634
01:36:11,720 --> 01:36:15,039
Now, the way it was explained to me is

2635
01:36:13,479 --> 01:36:17,359
is

2636
01:36:15,039 --> 01:36:20,159
when I got to be alone with Barry, he

2637
01:36:17,359 --> 01:36:22,399
said he was excited to show this to me.

2638
01:36:20,159 --> 01:36:25,760
He said I'm going to turn this is the

2639
01:36:22,399 --> 01:36:28,519
reactor that we assume powers the craft.

2640
01:36:25,760 --> 01:36:30,920
Sorry. No worries. I'm uh

2641
01:36:28,520 --> 01:36:33,200
I'm going to uh show you the reactor

2642
01:36:30,920 --> 01:36:34,560
that powers the craft. And he turned it

2643
01:36:33,199 --> 01:36:36,519
on.

2644
01:36:34,560 --> 01:36:37,760
Small little dome on a flat little

2645
01:36:36,520 --> 01:36:39,800
plate.

2646
01:36:37,760 --> 01:36:40,840
I said Was this in the craft or was this

2647
01:36:39,800 --> 01:36:43,320
on a table?

2648
01:36:40,840 --> 01:36:45,239
>> this is in the experimental area. Okay.

2649
01:36:43,319 --> 01:36:46,759
And um So this was not the one that was

2650
01:36:45,239 --> 01:36:48,599
in the sport craft, this was another

2651
01:36:46,760 --> 01:36:49,680
one. This was another one.

2652
01:36:48,600 --> 01:36:50,920
>> This is it right here.

2653
01:36:49,680 --> 01:36:51,400
>> that's it. That's it. Okay, that's in

2654
01:36:50,920 --> 01:36:54,319
the film.

2655
01:36:51,399 --> 01:36:56,359
>> And yeah, on on the table and he had it

2656
01:36:54,319 --> 01:36:59,159
there and he went over

2657
01:36:56,359 --> 01:37:01,039
to the emitter and rotated it and he

2658
01:36:59,159 --> 01:37:03,840
said try and touch it.

2659
01:37:01,039 --> 01:37:06,640
And I put my hand on it and it it

2660
01:37:03,840 --> 01:37:08,560
rebounded off. And I

2661
01:37:06,640 --> 01:37:09,840
at the closer you got to it, the more it

2662
01:37:08,560 --> 01:37:12,520
pushed back.

2663
01:37:09,840 --> 01:37:14,560
And um that's that's a real shock

2664
01:37:12,520 --> 01:37:16,280
because there's nothing that pushes back

2665
01:37:14,560 --> 01:37:17,680
like that. That that's a that's a living

2666
01:37:16,279 --> 01:37:18,759
force field, that's science fiction

2667
01:37:17,680 --> 01:37:19,920
stuff.

2668
01:37:18,760 --> 01:37:22,920
So

2669
01:37:19,920 --> 01:37:25,720
um that really got my attention. So

2670
01:37:22,920 --> 01:37:28,480
explain what is happening like in terms

2671
01:37:25,720 --> 01:37:29,960
of the rotation of this thing?

2672
01:37:28,479 --> 01:37:31,599
Like what it what is happening? Like

2673
01:37:29,960 --> 01:37:33,960
what energy is going into it that's

2674
01:37:31,600 --> 01:37:35,560
causing it to go on? Well, actually we

2675
01:37:33,960 --> 01:37:38,079
don't know that.

2676
01:37:35,560 --> 01:37:40,600
I mean that that's the whole thing. It's

2677
01:37:38,079 --> 01:37:43,800
it's pushing back. That's a

2678
01:37:40,600 --> 01:37:47,120
it's a repulsive gravitational field.

2679
01:37:43,800 --> 01:37:49,760
Like as far as we know gravity gravity

2680
01:37:47,119 --> 01:37:52,519
only has an attractive force to it.

2681
01:37:49,760 --> 01:37:55,480
We've never even with any matter

2682
01:37:52,520 --> 01:37:57,640
we've analyzed it and it still has

2683
01:37:55,479 --> 01:38:01,079
an attractive force to it. There's no

2684
01:37:57,640 --> 01:38:03,119
repulsive force that we've discovered.

2685
01:38:01,079 --> 01:38:04,479
Because that would be a great propulsion

2686
01:38:03,119 --> 01:38:07,159
system.

2687
01:38:04,479 --> 01:38:10,039
But this repulsed.

2688
01:38:07,159 --> 01:38:13,719
So this was a a new field completely.

2689
01:38:10,039 --> 01:38:15,960
>> But how was he turning it on? He had

2690
01:38:13,719 --> 01:38:20,359
the emitter, which is a big pipe. Part

2691
01:38:15,960 --> 01:38:24,520
of What is an emitter? Like what is

2692
01:38:20,359 --> 01:38:26,759
The craft itself has on the main level

2693
01:38:24,520 --> 01:38:28,680
has the reactor

2694
01:38:26,760 --> 01:38:31,719
and what we call the amplifiers. Three

2695
01:38:28,680 --> 01:38:33,440
react the reactor and three amplifiers.

2696
01:38:31,719 --> 01:38:36,239
Right underneath that

2697
01:38:33,439 --> 01:38:38,799
there are three emitters

2698
01:38:36,239 --> 01:38:41,039
that are right under the amplifiers. And

2699
01:38:38,800 --> 01:38:43,760
we believe the energy

2700
01:38:41,039 --> 01:38:45,159
from the reactor is amplified by the

2701
01:38:43,760 --> 01:38:47,880
emitters.

2702
01:38:45,159 --> 01:38:50,840
And By the amplifiers. By the

2703
01:38:47,880 --> 01:38:52,319
amplifiers, sorry. And transmitted to

2704
01:38:50,840 --> 01:38:54,840
the emitters.

2705
01:38:52,319 --> 01:38:56,960
And they produce this field that lifts

2706
01:38:54,840 --> 01:38:58,600
the craft off the ground.

2707
01:38:56,960 --> 01:39:00,000
And that's how it works. But there is

2708
01:38:58,600 --> 01:39:02,000
nothing

2709
01:39:00,000 --> 01:39:04,520
nothing even in our physics or our

2710
01:39:02,000 --> 01:39:06,279
science that

2711
01:39:04,520 --> 01:39:08,320
that correlates to that at all.

2712
01:39:06,279 --> 01:39:10,559
>> And what is the energy that's going to

2713
01:39:08,319 --> 01:39:12,279
them that causes it to turn on? don't

2714
01:39:10,560 --> 01:39:14,200
>> I mean we just assume it's gravity

2715
01:39:12,279 --> 01:39:16,159
because it's the only thing we know like

2716
01:39:14,199 --> 01:39:21,319
that, but

2717
01:39:16,159 --> 01:39:21,319
it has a negative gravity effect. So,

2718
01:39:21,479 --> 01:39:25,719
it might be a new force entirely.

2719
01:39:23,920 --> 01:39:28,239
But when you were saying, so you have

2720
01:39:25,720 --> 01:39:30,800
this machine that's next to it that you

2721
01:39:28,239 --> 01:39:33,319
do something to that causes it to turn

2722
01:39:30,800 --> 01:39:35,520
on. The emitter. The right. There's the

2723
01:39:33,319 --> 01:39:37,799
amplifier and there's the emitter which

2724
01:39:35,520 --> 01:39:40,000
looks like a big pipe. Right. And if you

2725
01:39:37,800 --> 01:39:42,239
rotate the emitter, I don't remember how

2726
01:39:40,000 --> 01:39:45,439
many degrees was it? 20 degrees?

2727
01:39:42,239 --> 01:39:49,159
>> Three 20 degrees or something like that.

2728
01:39:45,439 --> 01:39:50,839
That connects it in some way

2729
01:39:49,159 --> 01:39:53,559
to

2730
01:39:50,840 --> 01:39:56,640
the reactor and it begins to be powered.

2731
01:39:53,560 --> 01:39:59,080
>> And what is the emitter doing?

2732
01:39:56,640 --> 01:40:00,720
It emits that field.

2733
01:39:59,079 --> 01:40:02,239
It's not a gravitate

2734
01:40:00,720 --> 01:40:04,760
It could be a gravitational field, but

2735
01:40:02,239 --> 01:40:07,000
it's an anti-gravitational field that

2736
01:40:04,760 --> 01:40:08,720
pushes on the ground. And what's

2737
01:40:07,000 --> 01:40:10,680
happening in the emitter? Did you study

2738
01:40:08,720 --> 01:40:12,159
the emitter? Well, we attempted to, but

2739
01:40:10,680 --> 01:40:13,880
no.

2740
01:40:12,159 --> 01:40:15,119
There was nothing that we really came up

2741
01:40:13,880 --> 01:40:16,720
with that.

2742
01:40:15,119 --> 01:40:18,039
But what does it look like? Like what's

2743
01:40:16,720 --> 01:40:22,920
the internal structure of it?

2744
01:40:18,039 --> 01:40:24,000
>> It's just it's a hollow pipe with

2745
01:40:22,920 --> 01:40:27,560
I guess

2746
01:40:24,000 --> 01:40:32,560
little copper colored plates all inside.

2747
01:40:27,560 --> 01:40:32,560
It's kind of in the in the film. Mhm. Um

2748
01:40:32,720 --> 01:40:36,199
But this

2749
01:40:33,880 --> 01:40:38,600
I mean, these guys have been working on

2750
01:40:36,199 --> 01:40:41,399
it for years before I got there and

2751
01:40:38,600 --> 01:40:44,440
there was really no

2752
01:40:41,399 --> 01:40:47,399
no concept of what they were doing.

2753
01:40:44,439 --> 01:40:49,799
Did they explain to you why element 115

2754
01:40:47,399 --> 01:40:50,879
is crucial to this working and what

2755
01:40:49,800 --> 01:40:52,840
>> No, but

2756
01:40:50,880 --> 01:40:55,400
no.

2757
01:40:52,840 --> 01:40:56,400
So, element 115 um

2758
01:40:55,399 --> 01:40:58,199
was

2759
01:40:56,399 --> 01:40:59,479
not even really discussed back when you

2760
01:40:58,199 --> 01:41:02,800
were doing this. It was

2761
01:40:59,479 --> 01:41:06,439
It wasn't even discovered or proven

2762
01:41:02,800 --> 01:41:10,320
physically until it was a large hadron

2763
01:41:06,439 --> 01:41:13,559
collider experiment in the 2000s, right?

2764
01:41:10,319 --> 01:41:15,479
No, I know they they synthesized that.

2765
01:41:13,560 --> 01:41:19,080
But look, and you know, in in any

2766
01:41:15,479 --> 01:41:23,279
element there's always

2767
01:41:19,079 --> 01:41:24,760
there's always a large amount of

2768
01:41:23,279 --> 01:41:26,920
um

2769
01:41:24,760 --> 01:41:28,119
Well, it did It doesn't decay.

2770
01:41:26,920 --> 01:41:30,279
Yeah.

2771
01:41:28,119 --> 01:41:32,319
That was the thing about in the large

2772
01:41:30,279 --> 01:41:34,439
hadron collider experiment, they they

2773
01:41:32,319 --> 01:41:37,039
were able to achieve it, but it only

2774
01:41:34,439 --> 01:41:41,239
existed for a few milliseconds. Yeah.

2775
01:41:37,039 --> 01:41:41,239
Sorry, I've had too much. No worries.

2776
01:41:42,119 --> 01:41:44,399
So,

2777
01:41:42,520 --> 01:41:45,400
>> um

2778
01:41:44,399 --> 01:41:48,319
did they

2779
01:41:45,399 --> 01:41:51,239
How did they define this material?

2780
01:41:48,319 --> 01:41:52,799
>> I mean, there's different isotopes of of

2781
01:41:51,239 --> 01:41:54,199
every element.

2782
01:41:52,800 --> 01:41:56,680
And

2783
01:41:54,199 --> 01:41:57,920
element 115, just like any other

2784
01:41:56,680 --> 01:42:00,880
element,

2785
01:41:57,920 --> 01:42:04,560
uh there can be a stable version of it

2786
01:42:00,880 --> 01:42:06,279
and a hundred or 50 different unstable

2787
01:42:04,560 --> 01:42:08,250
elements to them.

2788
01:42:06,279 --> 01:42:10,269
So,

2789
01:42:08,250 --> 01:42:10,270
>> [sighs]

2790
01:42:11,359 --> 01:42:14,000
>> I'm sorry. No, no, it's all right. Just

2791
01:42:13,079 --> 01:42:16,479
try to

2792
01:42:14,000 --> 01:42:18,640
continue the train of thought. So, It's

2793
01:42:16,479 --> 01:42:21,439
basically different isotopes of it.

2794
01:42:18,640 --> 01:42:22,660
Yeah, different isotopes. I've I need to

2795
01:42:21,439 --> 01:42:23,839
stop drinking this.

2796
01:42:22,659 --> 01:42:26,159
>> [laughter]

2797
01:42:23,840 --> 01:42:28,319
>> It's all right. Have a cup of coffee.

2798
01:42:26,159 --> 01:42:30,119
I can't even remember. Yeah, so coffee's

2799
01:42:28,319 --> 01:42:31,880
good. Oh, we got coffee.

2800
01:42:30,119 --> 01:42:34,439
Oh my god.

2801
01:42:31,880 --> 01:42:37,039
All right. Holy cow. There you go. Let

2802
01:42:34,439 --> 01:42:38,960
it hop. Um Yeah, there's I mean, there's

2803
01:42:37,039 --> 01:42:41,079
there's different isotopes. And you were

2804
01:42:38,960 --> 01:42:45,359
able to physically touch this element

2805
01:42:41,079 --> 01:42:45,359
Oh, absolutely. I was physically

2806
01:42:45,680 --> 01:42:48,800
physically able to touch the element.

2807
01:42:47,159 --> 01:42:50,559
Yeah. But when you're physically able to

2808
01:42:48,800 --> 01:42:52,840
touch it, there's no adverse effects. It

2809
01:42:50,560 --> 01:42:55,320
doesn't have any effect on the Feel like

2810
01:42:52,840 --> 01:42:58,840
metal? Does it feel like plastic?

2811
01:42:55,319 --> 01:43:01,759
>> It looks copper like. I mean, maybe it's

2812
01:42:58,840 --> 01:43:04,159
not as dark as copper is, but it it's

2813
01:43:01,760 --> 01:43:06,000
that color. Um

2814
01:43:04,159 --> 01:43:08,760
and

2815
01:43:06,000 --> 01:43:10,840
uh I haven't seen an element like that.

2816
01:43:08,760 --> 01:43:14,640
It has unique properties that other

2817
01:43:10,840 --> 01:43:17,360
elements don't have. It produces

2818
01:43:14,640 --> 01:43:20,000
an anti-gravitational field.

2819
01:43:17,359 --> 01:43:21,719
When combined with energy.

2820
01:43:20,000 --> 01:43:22,159
With some kind of energy it produces

2821
01:43:21,720 --> 01:43:23,119
this field.

2822
01:43:22,159 --> 01:43:25,800
>> Yeah.

2823
01:43:23,119 --> 01:43:27,680
And was it understood what is happening?

2824
01:43:25,800 --> 01:43:30,680
Like what is the relationship between

2825
01:43:27,680 --> 01:43:32,280
this element and this Like how is What

2826
01:43:30,680 --> 01:43:34,320
is going on?

2827
01:43:32,279 --> 01:43:36,399
Like you're bombarding this element with

2828
01:43:34,319 --> 01:43:39,119
something? Yeah, I

2829
01:43:36,399 --> 01:43:41,079
From what we understood, we x-rayed the

2830
01:43:39,119 --> 01:43:44,599
reactor itself

2831
01:43:41,079 --> 01:43:46,840
and there was a path around it

2832
01:43:44,600 --> 01:43:49,280
that looked It made it look like a

2833
01:43:46,840 --> 01:43:50,880
cyclotron. So,

2834
01:43:49,279 --> 01:43:52,880
it looked like

2835
01:43:50,880 --> 01:43:56,640
there was an accelerator.

2836
01:43:52,880 --> 01:43:59,880
So, when they were explaining it to you,

2837
01:43:56,640 --> 01:44:01,160
is is is this just your work partner

2838
01:43:59,880 --> 01:44:02,520
that's explaining this stuff to you?

2839
01:44:01,159 --> 01:44:02,760
>> Yes, it's it's just Barry that's

2840
01:44:02,520 --> 01:44:04,200
explaining

2841
01:44:02,760 --> 01:44:06,119
>> And did you ask him, how do you know

2842
01:44:04,199 --> 01:44:07,159
this? Where are you getting this from?

2843
01:44:06,119 --> 01:44:09,239
Is this

2844
01:44:07,159 --> 01:44:10,479
Yeah, he got this information prior to

2845
01:44:09,239 --> 01:44:11,719
me.

2846
01:44:10,479 --> 01:44:14,799
Um

2847
01:44:11,720 --> 01:44:16,680
and they x-rayed it,

2848
01:44:14,800 --> 01:44:19,039
found

2849
01:44:16,680 --> 01:44:21,320
um a a structure in there to where they

2850
01:44:19,039 --> 01:44:23,840
believed it was an accelerator and it

2851
01:44:21,319 --> 01:44:26,439
was interacting

2852
01:44:23,840 --> 01:44:28,960
the point of the one The 115 is in a

2853
01:44:26,439 --> 01:44:32,639
little triangular

2854
01:44:28,960 --> 01:44:35,680
piece Mhm. and it was um interacting

2855
01:44:32,640 --> 01:44:39,880
with that in some fashion. So,

2856
01:44:35,680 --> 01:44:41,480
And did he say whether or not the United

2857
01:44:39,880 --> 01:44:43,720
States government or whoever was doing

2858
01:44:41,479 --> 01:44:45,439
this research had tried to recreate one

2859
01:44:43,720 --> 01:44:47,560
of those on their own?

2860
01:44:45,439 --> 01:44:49,719
That uh that was our job to try to

2861
01:44:47,560 --> 01:44:51,160
recreate one of those on their own. But

2862
01:44:49,720 --> 01:44:52,320
what was the metal that it was made out

2863
01:44:51,159 --> 01:44:53,519
of?

2864
01:44:52,319 --> 01:44:56,000
We don't know. We don't know.

2865
01:44:53,520 --> 01:44:58,360
>> Again, the metallurgy was not that was

2866
01:44:56,000 --> 01:44:59,960
not

2867
01:44:58,359 --> 01:45:02,799
It seems insane that you couldn't

2868
01:44:59,960 --> 01:45:05,640
communicate to them that whatever this

2869
01:45:02,800 --> 01:45:07,880
stuff is made out of, this whole thing

2870
01:45:05,640 --> 01:45:09,280
acts as one cohesive unit. It's not like

2871
01:45:07,880 --> 01:45:11,600
you could make the same exact thing with

2872
01:45:09,279 --> 01:45:13,319
aluminum or carbon fiber.

2873
01:45:11,600 --> 01:45:14,680
>> No, you can't. This thing acted

2874
01:45:13,319 --> 01:45:16,279
differently.

2875
01:45:14,680 --> 01:45:18,400
This thing acted differently than any

2876
01:45:16,279 --> 01:45:21,039
material that we knew.

2877
01:45:18,399 --> 01:45:23,679
And I mean, I think all the answers are

2878
01:45:21,039 --> 01:45:26,319
in the metallurgy guys. It you know,

2879
01:45:23,680 --> 01:45:29,440
that's That's who knew what was going

2880
01:45:26,319 --> 01:45:31,639
on, who was able to provide the answers.

2881
01:45:29,439 --> 01:45:34,119
But um

2882
01:45:31,640 --> 01:45:36,280
as far as we knew, if we didn't have the

2883
01:45:34,119 --> 01:45:37,359
connection with those other groups, we

2884
01:45:36,279 --> 01:45:38,559
weren't really going to make any

2885
01:45:37,359 --> 01:45:41,759
progress.

2886
01:45:38,560 --> 01:45:43,760
You were speculating that there was a

2887
01:45:41,760 --> 01:45:46,920
type of

2888
01:45:43,760 --> 01:45:48,600
metallic alloy that would work better

2889
01:45:46,920 --> 01:45:52,159
with

2890
01:45:48,600 --> 01:45:52,640
this concept. Was it Byzantine? Like

2891
01:45:52,159 --> 01:45:55,279
what what was

2892
01:45:52,640 --> 01:45:56,560
>> Bismuth. Bismuth, yes.

2893
01:45:55,279 --> 01:45:58,000
Did I say that?

2894
01:45:56,560 --> 01:46:00,400
>> think so. I don't know. I don't think

2895
01:45:58,000 --> 01:46:01,239
so. No. Someone Someone that I talked to

2896
01:46:00,399 --> 01:46:03,559
was explaining to me.

2897
01:46:01,239 --> 01:46:06,279
>> It's related to on the periodic table. I

2898
01:46:03,560 --> 01:46:09,400
mean, bismuth is above it and 115 is

2899
01:46:06,279 --> 01:46:12,079
below it. But um we never did see any

2900
01:46:09,399 --> 01:46:13,960
correlation between bismuth. This was a

2901
01:46:12,079 --> 01:46:15,359
completely new material. Well, I think

2902
01:46:13,960 --> 01:46:18,039
Oh, that's what it was. Oh, this is what

2903
01:46:15,359 --> 01:46:21,880
it was. So, one of the pieces that Gary

2904
01:46:18,039 --> 01:46:24,119
Nolan had [clears throat] found that was

2905
01:46:21,880 --> 01:46:27,800
Gary Nolan is the guy to Stanford that

2906
01:46:24,119 --> 01:46:31,000
has examined these pieces that are from

2907
01:46:27,800 --> 01:46:33,320
supposedly crashed sites crash sites

2908
01:46:31,000 --> 01:46:34,720
where something had gone down and

2909
01:46:33,319 --> 01:46:36,719
scattered.

2910
01:46:34,720 --> 01:46:38,199
Some of these pieces, they're atomically

2911
01:46:36,720 --> 01:46:39,000
layered and

2912
01:46:38,199 --> 01:46:41,760
>> I've heard that.

2913
01:46:39,000 --> 01:46:42,560
>> magnesium and bismuth seem to be

2914
01:46:41,760 --> 01:46:44,600
prevalent in this.

2915
01:46:42,560 --> 01:46:46,840
>> Bismuth is the thing. Yeah. Bismuth is

2916
01:46:44,600 --> 01:46:49,039
the thing. It's right above 115 on the

2917
01:46:46,840 --> 01:46:50,440
periodic chart and there's Yeah, there's

2918
01:46:49,039 --> 01:46:53,840
something about that. There's something

2919
01:46:50,439 --> 01:46:55,599
about 115. Yeah. There's weird magnetism

2920
01:46:53,840 --> 01:46:57,960
stuff with bismuth. There's a video from

2921
01:46:55,600 --> 01:47:01,120
the Action Lab, The Strange Magnetism of

2922
01:46:57,960 --> 01:47:02,760
Bismuth. And it's showing a bunch of

2923
01:47:01,119 --> 01:47:05,359
>> Yeah.

2924
01:47:02,760 --> 01:47:06,840
So, let him play it out a little bit.

2925
01:47:05,359 --> 01:47:08,079
I'm trying to find the

2926
01:47:06,840 --> 01:47:10,319
What is diamagnetic?

2927
01:47:08,079 --> 01:47:12,600
>> Diamagnetic is it opposes magnetic

2928
01:47:10,319 --> 01:47:14,679
fields. I see.

2929
01:47:12,600 --> 01:47:18,200
So, it kind of makes sense if they're

2930
01:47:14,680 --> 01:47:19,360
finding these pieces that are

2931
01:47:18,199 --> 01:47:20,920
the way he was explaining

2932
01:47:19,359 --> 01:47:23,000
>> Bismuth. That's bismuth, yeah. the way

2933
01:47:20,920 --> 01:47:24,399
he's explaining this whatever this alloy

2934
01:47:23,000 --> 01:47:27,199
was, this very small piece that was

2935
01:47:24,399 --> 01:47:29,000
found, I believe in

2936
01:47:27,199 --> 01:47:30,679
prior to the 1970s. I don't remember the

2937
01:47:29,000 --> 01:47:32,600
exact date that he said. From one of

2938
01:47:30,680 --> 01:47:34,800
these crash One of them was from Brazil

2939
01:47:32,600 --> 01:47:37,079
that they had recovered. And someone had

2940
01:47:34,800 --> 01:47:39,400
gotten possession of it in the 1990s and

2941
01:47:37,079 --> 01:47:40,600
someone had gotten it eventually to Gary

2942
01:47:39,399 --> 01:47:42,679
Nolan.

2943
01:47:40,600 --> 01:47:44,280
He said that to create this on Earth,

2944
01:47:42,680 --> 01:47:45,880
first of all, it can't be done with

2945
01:47:44,279 --> 01:47:47,199
current technology. We don't have the

2946
01:47:45,880 --> 01:47:48,000
ability to do this.

2947
01:47:47,199 --> 01:47:50,760
>> technology?

2948
01:47:48,000 --> 01:47:51,920
>> Yes. And that it would cost billions of

2949
01:47:50,760 --> 01:47:54,960
dollars

2950
01:47:51,920 --> 01:47:57,079
just theoretically to make this and it's

2951
01:47:54,960 --> 01:47:58,520
It doesn't exist.

2952
01:47:57,079 --> 01:48:00,439
Yeah, this is it. Alleged

2953
01:47:58,520 --> 01:48:03,560
extraterrestrial metal the bottom of a

2954
01:48:00,439 --> 01:48:06,919
wedge shaped craft in 1940s. 26

2955
01:48:03,560 --> 01:48:08,160
alternating layers, 1 to 4 microns dark

2956
01:48:06,920 --> 01:48:10,440
bismuth

2957
01:48:08,159 --> 01:48:13,079
with a hundred to two hundred microns of

2958
01:48:10,439 --> 01:48:15,079
silver magnesium zinc alloy. Each piece

2959
01:48:13,079 --> 01:48:18,119
received from the US Army source were

2960
01:48:15,079 --> 01:48:21,039
formed with a curvature that tapered.

2961
01:48:18,119 --> 01:48:22,960
Oh, in the four in the 40s. Yeah. Right.

2962
01:48:21,039 --> 01:48:23,279
That good good luck making that in the

2963
01:48:22,960 --> 01:48:24,480
40s.

2964
01:48:23,279 --> 01:48:26,920
>> says a wedge

2965
01:48:24,479 --> 01:48:29,519
wedge shaped craft in late 1940s. That's

2966
01:48:26,920 --> 01:48:32,640
Roswell. I mean, that's that's Roswell.

2967
01:48:29,520 --> 01:48:34,280
Well, I mean, what What does it do? I

2968
01:48:32,640 --> 01:48:36,240
would like to see the test results of

2969
01:48:34,279 --> 01:48:39,199
just the material.

2970
01:48:36,239 --> 01:48:40,159
Um we can make that now.

2971
01:48:39,199 --> 01:48:43,639
We can?

2972
01:48:40,159 --> 01:48:47,239
Yeah. 1 to 4 microns of bismuth?

2973
01:48:43,640 --> 01:48:48,800
200 microns of silver? Yeah.

2974
01:48:47,239 --> 01:48:50,399
The thing is like making something like

2975
01:48:48,800 --> 01:48:50,880
that in the 1940s is absolutely

2976
01:48:50,399 --> 01:48:52,519
impossible.

2977
01:48:50,880 --> 01:48:54,319
>> in the 40s, forget it.

2978
01:48:52,520 --> 01:48:55,240
>> But I mean, now we could fabricate

2979
01:48:54,319 --> 01:48:56,960
something like that.

2980
01:48:55,239 --> 01:48:58,159
>> And it would cost a shitload of money.

2981
01:48:56,960 --> 01:48:59,480
So, like the idea that you would make

2982
01:48:58,159 --> 01:49:01,599
something like that and just scatter it

2983
01:48:59,479 --> 01:49:04,439
around and go, But what But what does it

2984
01:49:01,600 --> 01:49:06,960
do? Right. What does it do? Why? Why is

2985
01:49:04,439 --> 01:49:08,000
magnesium and bismuth why in that

2986
01:49:06,960 --> 01:49:10,119
particular

2987
01:49:08,000 --> 01:49:12,079
>> There is something about Bismuth.

2988
01:49:10,119 --> 01:49:13,960
There was something about Bismuth. But

2989
01:49:12,079 --> 01:49:15,840
that's that's why it's so fascinating. I

2990
01:49:13,960 --> 01:49:18,079
would I would love to know where they

2991
01:49:15,840 --> 01:49:19,840
Like it's been 40 years. I would love to

2992
01:49:18,079 --> 01:49:22,119
know Where they're at now. Yeah, where

2993
01:49:19,840 --> 01:49:23,640
they're at now. If they continued.

2994
01:49:22,119 --> 01:49:24,920
Well, they had to have continued. I

2995
01:49:23,640 --> 01:49:26,360
can't I can't imagine you go, "Ah, we're

2996
01:49:24,920 --> 01:49:28,119
done."

2997
01:49:26,359 --> 01:49:29,960
No, I mean they might have moved it. I

2998
01:49:28,119 --> 01:49:31,399
mean like I like I said before I mean

2999
01:49:29,960 --> 01:49:32,920
they were anxious to move it out of

3000
01:49:31,399 --> 01:49:35,920
there at that time.

3001
01:49:32,920 --> 01:49:39,319
But Are you aware of

3002
01:49:35,920 --> 01:49:41,600
the labyrinths in Egypt that they

3003
01:49:39,319 --> 01:49:42,439
discovered?

3004
01:49:41,600 --> 01:49:44,680
So, there's this

3005
01:49:42,439 --> 01:49:45,359
>> Are you talking about the The columns.

3006
01:49:44,680 --> 01:49:47,520
Columns on the

3007
01:49:45,359 --> 01:49:49,880
>> no. This is unrelated. This is something

3008
01:49:47,520 --> 01:49:52,600
different. So, Herodotus discussed this.

3009
01:49:49,880 --> 01:49:54,640
Now, my friend Ben Van Kerkwijk, he has

3010
01:49:52,600 --> 01:49:56,560
UnchartedX on

3011
01:49:54,640 --> 01:49:59,520
YouTube. It's an amazing channel where

3012
01:49:56,560 --> 01:50:02,000
he was a tech guy who just got

3013
01:49:59,520 --> 01:50:03,520
absolutely fascinated by all these

3014
01:50:02,000 --> 01:50:07,880
stories of ancient history and really

3015
01:50:03,520 --> 01:50:09,840
got obsessed with Egypt and Peru and and

3016
01:50:07,880 --> 01:50:12,520
left his field and started making these

3017
01:50:09,840 --> 01:50:14,880
incredible videos. But he's highly

3018
01:50:12,520 --> 01:50:16,920
intelligent incredibly articulate. And

3019
01:50:14,880 --> 01:50:20,720
so these videos are just absolutely

3020
01:50:16,920 --> 01:50:22,199
fantastic and really uh

3021
01:50:20,720 --> 01:50:24,400
he's he's

3022
01:50:22,199 --> 01:50:26,519
very well versed scientifically so you

3023
01:50:24,399 --> 01:50:29,239
can understand these things and explain

3024
01:50:26,520 --> 01:50:31,760
them to you. Like they're examining like

3025
01:50:29,239 --> 01:50:33,439
the construction of the pyramids and the

3026
01:50:31,760 --> 01:50:36,440
whatever technology was used to carve

3027
01:50:33,439 --> 01:50:38,719
the stones and there's just so much of

3028
01:50:36,439 --> 01:50:42,079
it that is like confusing because it's

3029
01:50:38,720 --> 01:50:43,680
it clearly is like a very high level of

3030
01:50:42,079 --> 01:50:45,640
sophistication and technology that's

3031
01:50:43,680 --> 01:50:48,360
involved in creating these things. Well,

3032
01:50:45,640 --> 01:50:51,360
Herodotus described these labyrinths

3033
01:50:48,359 --> 01:50:53,639
that were underground in Giza. Not not

3034
01:50:51,359 --> 01:50:54,920
not in Giza, but Hawara? Is that where

3035
01:50:53,640 --> 01:50:58,160
it was?

3036
01:50:54,920 --> 01:51:00,680
Jimmy will find it. But this these the

3037
01:50:58,159 --> 01:51:03,880
way Herodotus described it he said they

3038
01:51:00,680 --> 01:51:06,800
were far superior and more impressive

3039
01:51:03,880 --> 01:51:10,000
than the the the pyramids of Giza.

3040
01:51:06,800 --> 01:51:12,720
Underground. Well, these massive

3041
01:51:10,000 --> 01:51:15,439
labyrinths that exist underground were

3042
01:51:12,720 --> 01:51:18,960
all flooded in the 1960s accidentally

3043
01:51:15,439 --> 01:51:21,399
when they created dams in order to

3044
01:51:18,960 --> 01:51:22,840
provide irrigation to agriculture that

3045
01:51:21,399 --> 01:51:24,839
was in the area. So, they changed the

3046
01:51:22,840 --> 01:51:25,760
water table, it up. This whole

3047
01:51:24,840 --> 01:51:27,079
area got flooded.

3048
01:51:25,760 --> 01:51:28,079
>> Did they know they were there when they

3049
01:51:27,079 --> 01:51:30,039
accidentally

3050
01:51:28,079 --> 01:51:31,800
>> because a lot of this stuff like this is

3051
01:51:30,039 --> 01:51:33,560
from thousands and thousands of years

3052
01:51:31,800 --> 01:51:35,920
ago. A lot of it was covered over with

3053
01:51:33,560 --> 01:51:38,440
sand and you know, there had there had

3054
01:51:35,920 --> 01:51:40,520
been some explorers a long time ago that

3055
01:51:38,439 --> 01:51:42,639
went there and saw some of what was in

3056
01:51:40,520 --> 01:51:45,240
there. But the way Herodotus described

3057
01:51:42,640 --> 01:51:46,840
it it's just absolutely fantastic.

3058
01:51:45,239 --> 01:51:49,000
So, then they started using ground

3059
01:51:46,840 --> 01:51:50,520
penetrating radar. And they started

3060
01:51:49,000 --> 01:51:52,319
using these various technologies that

3061
01:51:50,520 --> 01:51:54,120
could detect what was under the surface.

3062
01:51:52,319 --> 01:51:57,159
And one of the things that they found

3063
01:51:54,119 --> 01:51:58,840
was there's a massive atrium. And inside

3064
01:51:57,159 --> 01:52:03,399
this atrium yes.

3065
01:51:58,840 --> 01:52:06,279
>> There is a 40 m long metallic object

3066
01:52:03,399 --> 01:52:09,479
that is inside this atrium.

3067
01:52:06,279 --> 01:52:10,800
40 m of some unknown metal. How deep is

3068
01:52:09,479 --> 01:52:13,319
it?

3069
01:52:10,800 --> 01:52:15,600
I believe it's 100 m into the ground.

3070
01:52:13,319 --> 01:52:18,559
So, you're telling me ground penetrating

3071
01:52:15,600 --> 01:52:19,640
radar can get to 100 m underground and

3072
01:52:18,560 --> 01:52:22,360
>> that

3073
01:52:19,640 --> 01:52:23,520
Filippo Bondi has used from satellites

3074
01:52:22,359 --> 01:52:26,960
The one that we were talking about.

3075
01:52:23,520 --> 01:52:27,280
>> more than a kilometer into the ground.

3076
01:52:26,960 --> 01:52:30,319
And

3077
01:52:27,279 --> 01:52:32,000
>> With decent resolution? Well, No. not

3078
01:52:30,319 --> 01:52:34,119
decent resolution, but enough that you

3079
01:52:32,000 --> 01:52:36,239
could see symmetry. Enough that they can

3080
01:52:34,119 --> 01:52:38,760
also detect things that are well known.

3081
01:52:36,239 --> 01:52:42,239
100 m is for chambers Well, listen to

3082
01:52:38,760 --> 01:52:45,320
this. They got they detected accurately

3083
01:52:42,239 --> 01:52:49,239
a particle collider in Italy that is

3084
01:52:45,319 --> 01:52:51,479
inside of a mountain 1.2 km below the

3085
01:52:49,239 --> 01:52:53,920
mountain. It sees through the mountain

3086
01:52:51,479 --> 01:52:56,039
and can detect this thing in the exact

3087
01:52:53,920 --> 01:52:58,480
diameter the exact

3088
01:52:56,039 --> 01:53:00,800
dimensions that this thing exist. So,

3089
01:52:58,479 --> 01:53:04,279
they can show you this

3090
01:53:00,800 --> 01:53:05,560
>> Yes. A particle collider? Yes. So, this

3091
01:53:04,279 --> 01:53:07,359
is a particle collider that they they

3092
01:53:05,560 --> 01:53:08,520
know exists, right? So, this is an

3093
01:53:07,359 --> 01:53:10,000
actual particle collider

3094
01:53:08,520 --> 01:53:11,280
>> looking for it just to prove So, they

3095
01:53:10,000 --> 01:53:12,920
they just it's just proof that this

3096
01:53:11,279 --> 01:53:15,239
technology is not just

3097
01:53:12,920 --> 01:53:16,760
>> Well, wait. I mean hang on. I mean how

3098
01:53:15,239 --> 01:53:18,039
do they know it's a particle collider?

3099
01:53:16,760 --> 01:53:20,680
>> No, no. Well, no, the particle collider

3100
01:53:18,039 --> 01:53:23,000
exists. This is a the the the Italians

3101
01:53:20,680 --> 01:53:25,720
have this particle collider. It it it

3102
01:53:23,000 --> 01:53:27,279
it's known. They made it. It's like it's

3103
01:53:25,720 --> 01:53:29,280
>> Okay, they they didn't detect something

3104
01:53:27,279 --> 01:53:30,599
underground. Right. No, it's not like we

3105
01:53:29,279 --> 01:53:31,399
found a particle collider that didn't

3106
01:53:30,600 --> 01:53:32,800
exist.

3107
01:53:31,399 --> 01:53:34,960
No, no, no, no. So, this [laughter]

3108
01:53:32,800 --> 01:53:37,480
particle collider they used this

3109
01:53:34,960 --> 01:53:40,439
technology to show that you can see

3110
01:53:37,479 --> 01:53:41,839
straight through this mountain to this

3111
01:53:40,439 --> 01:53:43,279
particle collider that's underneath the

3112
01:53:41,840 --> 01:53:44,960
mountain.

3113
01:53:43,279 --> 01:53:46,719
So, they know the the exact dimensions

3114
01:53:44,960 --> 01:53:48,840
of this particle collider. You can see

3115
01:53:46,720 --> 01:53:50,880
you can almost draw a schematic of it.

3116
01:53:48,840 --> 01:53:52,720
Well, through this technology they've

3117
01:53:50,880 --> 01:53:56,960
also found these columns that are below

3118
01:53:52,720 --> 01:54:00,520
the pyramids. These columns are 22 m 20

3119
01:53:56,960 --> 01:54:03,079
plus meters in diameter and they have

3120
01:54:00,520 --> 01:54:05,680
something that resembles coils around

3121
01:54:03,079 --> 01:54:08,039
all of them. And they're positioned at

3122
01:54:05,680 --> 01:54:10,280
various points all around where the

3123
01:54:08,039 --> 01:54:12,239
structure is. It goes all the way down

3124
01:54:10,279 --> 01:54:14,319
into hundreds of meters down and then it

3125
01:54:12,239 --> 01:54:17,159
goes to another structure and the whole

3126
01:54:14,319 --> 01:54:19,159
complex of it these structures goes to

3127
01:54:17,159 --> 01:54:20,800
over a kilometer into the ground.

3128
01:54:19,159 --> 01:54:22,479
>> But how can you see a kilometer

3129
01:54:20,800 --> 01:54:24,239
underground? Well, you would have to

3130
01:54:22,479 --> 01:54:26,839
understand this technology. What it it

3131
01:54:24,239 --> 01:54:28,239
was it called radio tomography? He

3132
01:54:26,840 --> 01:54:31,079
explained it to me.

3133
01:54:28,239 --> 01:54:32,039
>> aperture radar, right? Yes. Well,

3134
01:54:31,079 --> 01:54:34,079
whatever this technology

3135
01:54:32,039 --> 01:54:36,560
>> a kilometer underground at decent

3136
01:54:34,079 --> 01:54:38,600
resolution? It's not decent resolution,

3137
01:54:36,560 --> 01:54:40,400
but it's enough to understand the scope

3138
01:54:38,600 --> 01:54:42,640
of what it is. It's enough to understand

3139
01:54:40,399 --> 01:54:45,399
where spaces are Like everybody knows

3140
01:54:42,640 --> 01:54:47,400
about this but me. I mean

3141
01:54:45,399 --> 01:54:49,759
It's pretty fascinating. I'll send you

3142
01:54:47,399 --> 01:54:51,839
the podcast and I'll send you some of

3143
01:54:49,760 --> 01:54:54,199
his conferences where he was explaining

3144
01:54:51,840 --> 01:54:55,840
this to room fills with scientists.

3145
01:54:54,199 --> 01:54:56,519
>> You would think they'd be anxious to dig

3146
01:54:55,840 --> 01:54:57,440
this up.

3147
01:54:56,520 --> 01:54:59,880
>> They are.

3148
01:54:57,439 --> 01:55:01,960
And there's there's there's actual like

3149
01:54:59,880 --> 01:55:03,680
studies that are Okay. currently being

3150
01:55:01,960 --> 01:55:05,800
discussed. Well, they already know that

3151
01:55:03,680 --> 01:55:07,840
there's these channels that go in the

3152
01:55:05,800 --> 01:55:10,000
ground that have since been covered with

3153
01:55:07,840 --> 01:55:11,640
silt and sand because you know the the

3154
01:55:10,000 --> 01:55:13,600
sand's constantly moving. But these

3155
01:55:11,640 --> 01:55:15,880
things go hundreds of meters down these

3156
01:55:13,600 --> 01:55:18,039
shafts that go down. Like if they find

3157
01:55:15,880 --> 01:55:20,600
hundreds of If they find shafts hundreds

3158
01:55:18,039 --> 01:55:22,840
of meters down with coils around them

3159
01:55:20,600 --> 01:55:24,739
Look, that's advanced technology.

3160
01:55:22,840 --> 01:55:25,800
>> Exactly. This is the point. This is the

3161
01:55:24,738 --> 01:55:28,079
[clears throat] point.

3162
01:55:25,800 --> 01:55:29,880
Whatever this thing is that they have in

3163
01:55:28,079 --> 01:55:31,960
an atrium. Like if they said that they

3164
01:55:29,880 --> 01:55:33,640
got that craft from an archaeological

3165
01:55:31,960 --> 01:55:35,760
dig

3166
01:55:33,640 --> 01:55:38,160
I mean what

3167
01:55:35,760 --> 01:55:40,280
Maybe the Egyptians had found something

3168
01:55:38,159 --> 01:55:41,639
similar to this thousands and thousands

3169
01:55:40,279 --> 01:55:44,039
and thousands of years ago.

3170
01:55:41,640 --> 01:55:45,520
>> believe that's possible. Yeah.

3171
01:55:44,039 --> 01:55:47,399
Well,

3172
01:55:45,520 --> 01:55:49,520
The object that you're I didn't I

3173
01:55:47,399 --> 01:55:50,799
actually got to speak to Filippo Bondi

3174
01:55:49,520 --> 01:55:52,240
by the way.

3175
01:55:50,800 --> 01:55:54,000
He's in Italy he's in Rome we got to

3176
01:55:52,239 --> 01:55:56,760
speak I speak Italian so we got to talk

3177
01:55:54,000 --> 01:55:59,000
and we talked about that. I had no idea

3178
01:55:56,760 --> 01:56:00,680
they found something with a metal object

3179
01:55:59,000 --> 01:56:03,319
down there though. This is not Filippo

3180
01:56:00,680 --> 01:56:05,360
Bondi's work. This is some different

3181
01:56:03,319 --> 01:56:07,920
scientists that are just studying the

3182
01:56:05,359 --> 01:56:10,679
labyrinths. Jimmy, pull up some some of

3183
01:56:07,920 --> 01:56:12,159
the schematics of the labyrinth. So, in

3184
01:56:10,680 --> 01:56:13,119
the labyrinth there's like a big

3185
01:56:12,159 --> 01:56:14,840
>> Sorry.

3186
01:56:13,119 --> 01:56:15,079
atrium. You got to pee again? Yeah. Go

3187
01:56:14,840 --> 01:56:16,680
ahead. Go ahead.

3188
01:56:15,079 --> 01:56:17,920
>> Sorry. Head up. Yeah.

3189
01:56:16,680 --> 01:56:20,159
Go ahead. I feel like a ass.

3190
01:56:17,920 --> 01:56:22,159
>> Don't worry about it. Get some air.

3191
01:56:20,159 --> 01:56:25,119
Clear your head. I have a prostate. So,

3192
01:56:22,159 --> 01:56:28,279
in this in this labyrinth there's a

3193
01:56:25,119 --> 01:56:31,519
large atrium. And in this large atrium

3194
01:56:28,279 --> 01:56:35,039
there is essentially a Tic Tac

3195
01:56:31,520 --> 01:56:40,280
>> Really? a Tic Tac shaped object that is

3196
01:56:35,039 --> 01:56:41,439
40 m long that is of some unknown metal.

3197
01:56:40,279 --> 01:56:42,880
They don't know what it is. They don't

3198
01:56:41,439 --> 01:56:46,359
know how it works. But this is this

3199
01:56:42,880 --> 01:56:47,239
structure is all underground

3200
01:56:46,359 --> 01:56:49,599
in Egypt.

3201
01:56:47,239 --> 01:56:52,279
>> Which is wild because and how how it's

3202
01:56:49,600 --> 01:56:54,480
100 m? Well, look at Well, we'll get a

3203
01:56:52,279 --> 01:56:57,159
chance to look at it. This is Hawara.

3204
01:56:54,479 --> 01:56:59,199
So, So, there where it says the 40 m

3205
01:56:57,159 --> 01:57:00,399
metallic object. See that where it says

3206
01:56:59,199 --> 01:57:02,159
Hawara Rising?

3207
01:57:00,399 --> 01:57:04,719
>> Yeah. So, if you click on that it talks

3208
01:57:02,159 --> 01:57:07,159
about the 40 m metallic object

3209
01:57:04,720 --> 01:57:08,640
discovered in Egyptians.

3210
01:57:07,159 --> 01:57:09,239
I don't think I can't We can't read a

3211
01:57:08,640 --> 01:57:11,039
report on that.

3212
01:57:09,239 --> 01:57:11,880
>> Subterranean labyrinth. Yeah. This is

3213
01:57:11,039 --> 01:57:15,359
people talking about it.

3214
01:57:11,880 --> 01:57:16,960
>> Right. Got it. But so whatever it is,

3215
01:57:15,359 --> 01:57:18,710
you play out some of the video just so

3216
01:57:16,960 --> 01:57:19,319
we could talk about it.

3217
01:57:18,711 --> 01:57:20,640
>> [snorts]

3218
01:57:19,319 --> 01:57:23,639
>> So,

3219
01:57:20,640 --> 01:57:25,280
this this whole thing if you see some of

3220
01:57:23,640 --> 01:57:27,200
the images that they're discussing

3221
01:57:25,279 --> 01:57:29,920
friends Luis Dacordier will get into

3222
01:57:27,199 --> 01:57:33,079
images I think. And today we're

3223
01:57:29,920 --> 01:57:36,760
Yeah. about the work that I um Chicago

3224
01:57:33,079 --> 01:57:38,439
Huh. uh and the team that was in uh

3225
01:57:36,760 --> 01:57:40,400
Poland as well.

3226
01:57:38,439 --> 01:57:42,519
And at that point is when I had met the

3227
01:57:40,399 --> 01:57:46,279
person Lucinda Lubis

3228
01:57:42,520 --> 01:57:48,640
who later became my wife 6 months later.

3229
01:57:46,279 --> 01:57:49,239
So, yeah, you you actually

3230
01:57:48,640 --> 01:57:51,760
um

3231
01:57:49,239 --> 01:57:52,960
were working with the NRA G and then the

3232
01:57:51,760 --> 01:57:54,960
I don't know what they're talking about.

3233
01:57:52,960 --> 01:57:56,039
Yeah, that is not going to help us. But

3234
01:57:54,960 --> 01:57:58,800
if you could just go to some of the

3235
01:57:56,039 --> 01:57:59,279
images where they've sort of outlined

3236
01:57:58,800 --> 01:58:00,840
what it is.

3237
01:57:59,279 --> 01:58:02,279
>> find it. I That's

3238
01:58:00,840 --> 01:58:04,000
There is not a very clear image of the

3239
01:58:02,279 --> 01:58:04,279
metallic object that

3240
01:58:04,000 --> 01:58:06,000
they're talking

3241
01:58:04,279 --> 01:58:07,559
>> But just the labyrinth itself what they

3242
01:58:06,000 --> 01:58:08,640
think the structure of it was. That's

3243
01:58:07,560 --> 01:58:10,760
why I I don't know where they got this

3244
01:58:08,640 --> 01:58:12,480
from is also the other issue.

3245
01:58:10,760 --> 01:58:14,199
>> m mystery metal object that

3246
01:58:12,479 --> 01:58:15,759
>> That's a weird rendering that doesn't

3247
01:58:14,199 --> 01:58:18,199
usually come out from Right, but there's

3248
01:58:15,760 --> 01:58:19,360
some other drawings of like from the

3249
01:58:18,199 --> 01:58:20,239
Herodotus days and

3250
01:58:19,359 --> 01:58:21,799
>> Yeah, but I

3251
01:58:20,239 --> 01:58:24,210
Like so, this is what they think it

3252
01:58:21,800 --> 01:58:25,239
looks like under the ground.

3253
01:58:24,211 --> 01:58:27,240
>> [snorts]

3254
01:58:25,239 --> 01:58:30,239
>> Which is completely bonkers. And

3255
01:58:27,239 --> 01:58:31,920
if there is some 40 m metallic object

3256
01:58:30,239 --> 01:58:33,679
that's under the ground and we are

3257
01:58:31,920 --> 01:58:35,680
talking about like the sport model being

3258
01:58:33,680 --> 01:58:38,640
a part of an archaeological Right. They

3259
01:58:35,680 --> 01:58:40,079
might have found something back then

3260
01:58:38,640 --> 01:58:41,000
and worshiped that thing and had that

3261
01:58:40,079 --> 01:58:43,079
thing as like

3262
01:58:41,000 --> 01:58:45,279
>> They turned it into this. Right. As a

3263
01:58:43,079 --> 01:58:48,279
pyramid Yeah.

3264
01:58:45,279 --> 01:58:49,319
I I I I think there's something to that.

3265
01:58:48,279 --> 01:58:51,439
Well, there

3266
01:58:49,319 --> 01:58:53,119
you know, all these people that believe

3267
01:58:51,439 --> 01:58:54,719
that there was a incredibly advanced

3268
01:58:53,119 --> 01:58:57,880
civilization before some sort of

3269
01:58:54,719 --> 01:59:00,279
apocalyptic disaster that

3270
01:58:57,880 --> 01:59:03,319
reset civilization and it took thousands

3271
01:59:00,279 --> 01:59:05,840
of years. And what we are essentially is

3272
01:59:03,319 --> 01:59:08,279
not the first advanced civilization but

3273
01:59:05,840 --> 01:59:10,640
a rebuild. A rebuild thousands and

3274
01:59:08,279 --> 01:59:14,119
thousands and thousands of years later.

3275
01:59:10,640 --> 01:59:16,360
You know, that rings true with me. And

3276
01:59:14,119 --> 01:59:18,920
as Graham Hancock always says, we are a

3277
01:59:16,359 --> 01:59:20,719
species with amnesia. And I think that

3278
01:59:18,920 --> 01:59:22,440
makes sense. And I think if you're

3279
01:59:20,720 --> 01:59:25,039
dealing with people that were basically

3280
01:59:22,439 --> 01:59:27,319
knocked back into the Stone Age 11,000,

3281
01:59:25,039 --> 01:59:29,519
12,000 years ago and it took us forever

3282
01:59:27,319 --> 01:59:31,079
to rebuild to where we are now. I think

3283
01:59:29,520 --> 01:59:33,760
we've gone down a completely different

3284
01:59:31,079 --> 01:59:35,800
path than whatever the people that were

3285
01:59:33,760 --> 01:59:37,360
able to build the pyramids of Egypt and

3286
01:59:35,800 --> 01:59:39,760
all these fantastic megalithic

3287
01:59:37,359 --> 01:59:42,079
structures were in in a we don't

3288
01:59:39,760 --> 01:59:43,720
understand the technology we used. We

3289
01:59:42,079 --> 01:59:45,239
don't And it doesn't it literally

3290
01:59:43,720 --> 01:59:47,079
doesn't make sense that they were able

3291
01:59:45,239 --> 01:59:48,760
to do this. It's even like when we see

3292
01:59:47,079 --> 01:59:50,479
those big gigantic stones and they're

3293
01:59:48,760 --> 01:59:52,159
not just piled together. They're like

3294
01:59:50,479 --> 01:59:53,759
interlocked in weird shapes and all

3295
01:59:52,159 --> 01:59:55,119
that. It's like how do we how did that

3296
01:59:53,760 --> 01:59:56,560
happen? I mean that you know, those are

3297
01:59:55,119 --> 01:59:58,399
the things that yeah, I agree with you.

3298
01:59:56,560 --> 02:00:00,080
>> Yeah, archaeologists are very reluctant

3299
01:59:58,399 --> 02:00:02,319
to admit it but there's tremendous

3300
02:00:00,079 --> 02:00:05,479
evidence that not only were these people

3301
02:00:02,319 --> 02:00:07,079
far more advanced than we think people

3302
02:00:05,479 --> 02:00:09,319
should have been back then but they're

3303
02:00:07,079 --> 02:00:11,000
probably more advanced than we are now

3304
02:00:09,319 --> 02:00:14,000
with some

3305
02:00:11,000 --> 02:00:16,119
different kind of technology. And maybe

3306
02:00:14,000 --> 02:00:18,800
like again, it's like a it's like

3307
02:00:16,119 --> 02:00:20,079
advanced but in a different way. Right.

3308
02:00:18,800 --> 02:00:21,920
Right cuz otherwise

3309
02:00:20,079 --> 02:00:23,920
>> pathway. They didn't go

3310
02:00:21,920 --> 02:00:25,880
>> our way. Yeah, they didn't go internal

3311
02:00:23,920 --> 02:00:26,920
combustion engine and electronics

3312
02:00:25,880 --> 02:00:27,480
>> Cuz we would see something.

3313
02:00:26,920 --> 02:00:29,239
>> Exactly.

3314
02:00:27,479 --> 02:00:31,239
>> Right. But might not if you're thinking

3315
02:00:29,239 --> 02:00:32,760
about a 100,000 years ago. There might

3316
02:00:31,239 --> 02:00:35,079
not be anything left which is part of

3317
02:00:32,760 --> 02:00:38,360
the problem. But whatever this metallic

3318
02:00:35,079 --> 02:00:40,319
object is, if they are able to figure

3319
02:00:38,359 --> 02:00:41,279
out a way to divert some of the water

3320
02:00:40,319 --> 02:00:43,759
there

3321
02:00:41,279 --> 02:00:45,719
see all layers converge at a central

3322
02:00:43,760 --> 02:00:47,440
corridor or avenue, he said, like the

3323
02:00:45,720 --> 02:00:50,000
atrium of shopping mall where you can

3324
02:00:47,439 --> 02:00:53,119
see all floors from one vantage point. A

3325
02:00:50,000 --> 02:00:55,920
hall consisting of a massive space 40 m

3326
02:00:53,119 --> 02:00:57,479
wide and no less than 100 m long. My

3327
02:00:55,920 --> 02:00:59,680
personal interpretation, Tim said, is

3328
02:00:57,479 --> 02:01:01,839
that the entire hall was constructed to

3329
02:00:59,680 --> 02:01:05,119
house a centrally positioned

3330
02:01:01,840 --> 02:01:06,960
free-standing object about 40 m long.

3331
02:01:05,119 --> 02:01:10,319
Wow. So this hall, they believe was

3332
02:01:06,960 --> 02:01:12,439
constructed to house whatever this 40-m

3333
02:01:10,319 --> 02:01:14,679
long unknown metallic object is.

3334
02:01:12,439 --> 02:01:16,039
>> not dig that up? Well, they could but

3335
02:01:14,680 --> 02:01:17,760
it's going to cost an immense amount of

3336
02:01:16,039 --> 02:01:20,479
money. And the thing is about the

3337
02:01:17,760 --> 02:01:23,119
Egyptians the people that run it, I had

3338
02:01:20,479 --> 02:01:25,719
one of them on the podcast, Zahi Hawass,

3339
02:01:23,119 --> 02:01:28,239
and he's incredibly dogmatic about his

3340
02:01:25,720 --> 02:01:30,240
ideas of who built this and what. And

3341
02:01:28,239 --> 02:01:32,960
when you say, "How did they make these

3342
02:01:30,239 --> 02:01:35,319
structures? 2 million, 300,000 stones

3343
02:01:32,960 --> 02:01:37,159
that weigh between 2 and 80 tons. The

3344
02:01:35,319 --> 02:01:38,519
biggest stones cut from quarries that

3345
02:01:37,159 --> 02:01:40,319
were hundreds of miles away through the

3346
02:01:38,520 --> 02:01:41,880
mountain." And it's like, "This was a

3347
02:01:40,319 --> 02:01:43,988
national project." Yeah, man. The

3348
02:01:41,880 --> 02:01:45,680
Egyptians did everything because

3349
02:01:43,988 --> 02:01:47,239
[laughter] they were awesome. Yeah. I'm

3350
02:01:45,680 --> 02:01:48,840
sure they were awesome. I'm sure they

3351
02:01:47,239 --> 02:01:50,840
were awesome but it doesn't explain the

3352
02:01:48,840 --> 02:01:53,239
technology involved cuz there's extreme

3353
02:01:50,840 --> 02:01:55,199
technology. Just to be able to cut those

3354
02:01:53,239 --> 02:01:57,880
things. Like one of the things that they

3355
02:01:55,199 --> 02:01:59,720
don't understand is these vases.

3356
02:01:57,880 --> 02:02:03,000
These vases that they made that are

3357
02:01:59,720 --> 02:02:06,240
perfectly Yeah. perfectly designed where

3358
02:02:03,000 --> 02:02:08,600
there's the the difference between like

3359
02:02:06,239 --> 02:02:11,199
the edges and the symmetry is like a

3360
02:02:08,600 --> 02:02:13,600
thousandth of a human hair. And these

3361
02:02:11,199 --> 02:02:15,439
are cut out of incredibly hard granite.

3362
02:02:13,600 --> 02:02:17,240
They don't Really? I've never heard

3363
02:02:15,439 --> 02:02:17,799
Yeah. Yeah. You guys are familiar with

3364
02:02:17,239 --> 02:02:20,439
that.

3365
02:02:17,800 --> 02:02:21,159
>> This is a 3D print of one of them that

3366
02:02:20,439 --> 02:02:22,639
exists.

3367
02:02:21,159 --> 02:02:24,960
>> Yeah, and they're fascinated by the

3368
02:02:22,640 --> 02:02:26,360
perfection and they're saying how did

3369
02:02:24,960 --> 02:02:28,960
they do that? We don't even know how to

3370
02:02:26,359 --> 02:02:32,119
do that. incredibly hard stone.

3371
02:02:28,960 --> 02:02:33,960
>> Built with an incredible precision. Yes.

3372
02:02:32,119 --> 02:02:35,519
Incredibly

3373
02:02:33,960 --> 02:02:37,239
incredibly hard granite, incredible

3374
02:02:35,520 --> 02:02:39,960
precision back when they had no metal

3375
02:02:37,239 --> 02:02:41,880
alloys. They had copper tools. It

3376
02:02:39,960 --> 02:02:44,079
doesn't make any sense. None of it makes

3377
02:02:41,880 --> 02:02:47,199
any sense. Then there's the symmetry

3378
02:02:44,079 --> 02:02:49,199
involved in some of these statues. Like

3379
02:02:47,199 --> 02:02:50,720
they're perfectly symmetrical in terms

3380
02:02:49,199 --> 02:02:53,279
of the distance between the eyes, the

3381
02:02:50,720 --> 02:02:54,960
nose, the lips. Most No one's face is

3382
02:02:53,279 --> 02:02:56,519
symmetrical. Your your left side of your

3383
02:02:54,960 --> 02:02:58,600
face is different. If you combine the

3384
02:02:56,520 --> 02:03:00,440
two sides, they they look it looks

3385
02:02:58,600 --> 02:03:02,600
weird. But when you look at these

3386
02:03:00,439 --> 02:03:05,119
statues, these statues which are

3387
02:03:02,600 --> 02:03:07,880
massive, carved out of granite again,

3388
02:03:05,119 --> 02:03:09,359
supposedly before they had steel. Like

3389
02:03:07,880 --> 02:03:11,279
they didn't have diamond-tipped

3390
02:03:09,359 --> 02:03:13,479
instruments to do this. They polished

3391
02:03:11,279 --> 02:03:15,679
them. They're perfectly symmetrical and

3392
02:03:13,479 --> 02:03:17,279
massive. Some of them are a thousand

3393
02:03:15,680 --> 02:03:18,560
tons. And they don't have any

3394
02:03:17,279 --> 02:03:20,399
understanding of how these people built

3395
02:03:18,560 --> 02:03:22,960
these things or put them there. And they

3396
02:03:20,399 --> 02:03:25,719
all seem to be the biggest, most

3397
02:03:22,960 --> 02:03:28,359
spectacular ones are the oldest.

3398
02:03:25,720 --> 02:03:30,360
How could you not want to dig those up?

3399
02:03:28,359 --> 02:03:32,079
Yeah, well they And look and look at

3400
02:03:30,359 --> 02:03:34,479
them because I mean they're concerned

3401
02:03:32,079 --> 02:03:37,119
about national pride but if you dig them

3402
02:03:34,479 --> 02:03:38,959
up, I It's not just national pride. It's

3403
02:03:37,119 --> 02:03:41,199
the pride of the people that have been

3404
02:03:38,960 --> 02:03:42,880
espousing this one narrative for so

3405
02:03:41,199 --> 02:03:44,599
long. That's part of the problem. The

3406
02:03:42,880 --> 02:03:46,159
gatekeepers of the information.

3407
02:03:44,600 --> 02:03:48,280
>> It's still national pride.

3408
02:03:46,159 --> 02:03:50,079
>> It is but these people are idiots. That

3409
02:03:48,279 --> 02:03:52,840
that's part of the problem. Like they

3410
02:03:50,079 --> 02:03:55,880
their own ego is preventing them from

3411
02:03:52,840 --> 02:03:57,520
being open-minded and calling out to the

3412
02:03:55,880 --> 02:03:59,239
world's research communities and saying,

3413
02:03:57,520 --> 02:04:01,960
"Listen, there's something going on

3414
02:03:59,239 --> 02:04:04,000
here. We don't have the big picture. We

3415
02:04:01,960 --> 02:04:05,840
have a picture that we have formed from

3416
02:04:04,000 --> 02:04:07,560
a limited amount of information and

3417
02:04:05,840 --> 02:04:09,920
we've been incredibly arrogant about

3418
02:04:07,560 --> 02:04:12,400
what we're assuming. We also know that a

3419
02:04:09,920 --> 02:04:15,279
lot of these pharaohs would carve their

3420
02:04:12,399 --> 02:04:17,279
name and carve their hieroglyphs into

3421
02:04:15,279 --> 02:04:19,960
existing things. They would claim

3422
02:04:17,279 --> 02:04:22,359
existing things. Some of the carvings on

3423
02:04:19,960 --> 02:04:23,640
these things are far cruder in the way

3424
02:04:22,359 --> 02:04:25,359
they've done it than the actual

3425
02:04:23,640 --> 02:04:27,640
construction of the thing. And they

3426
02:04:25,359 --> 02:04:29,679
think that these are old things that

3427
02:04:27,640 --> 02:04:32,400
were there already and then these later

3428
02:04:29,680 --> 02:04:33,960
pharaohs Just wanted to attach his name.

3429
02:04:32,399 --> 02:04:35,639
>> chiseled their hieroglyphs into these

3430
02:04:33,960 --> 02:04:38,039
things.

3431
02:04:35,640 --> 02:04:40,440
And another thing and this has been

3432
02:04:38,039 --> 02:04:43,760
mentioned a lot is the fact that there's

3433
02:04:40,439 --> 02:04:46,039
no tools that were ever discovered in

3434
02:04:43,760 --> 02:04:47,640
those areas that would prove that those

3435
02:04:46,039 --> 02:04:48,840
thing that those things were made with

3436
02:04:47,640 --> 02:04:50,720
those and they have to use tools. They

3437
02:04:48,840 --> 02:04:52,960
have to have something. So there's not

3438
02:04:50,720 --> 02:04:54,840
even that. That's not even available. So

3439
02:04:52,960 --> 02:04:57,439
it's like how did they do it? Did they

3440
02:04:54,840 --> 02:04:59,279
hide the tools? Did they I mean why

3441
02:04:57,439 --> 02:05:01,039
would they do that? It doesn't None of

3442
02:04:59,279 --> 02:05:03,759
it makes any sense. And also these

3443
02:05:01,039 --> 02:05:05,239
incredibly hard vases that you find,

3444
02:05:03,760 --> 02:05:06,480
they're the oldest ones. They're the the

3445
02:05:05,239 --> 02:05:08,639
things that they find in the oldest

3446
02:05:06,479 --> 02:05:11,079
sites. It's like the most complicated,

3447
02:05:08,640 --> 02:05:12,760
complex, confusing technology seems to

3448
02:05:11,079 --> 02:05:14,840
be the oldest stuff.

3449
02:05:12,760 --> 02:05:18,079
There's also like You had another guy

3450
02:05:14,840 --> 02:05:19,840
here that that does a research on Peru

3451
02:05:18,079 --> 02:05:22,600
and he was talk I can't remember his

3452
02:05:19,840 --> 02:05:23,159
name. I got to meet him. Luke Caverns?

3453
02:05:22,600 --> 02:05:24,720
Was it him?

3454
02:05:23,159 --> 02:05:26,720
>> Yeah, he goes to Peru and he has a show

3455
02:05:24,720 --> 02:05:28,159
about that about the the ancient stuff

3456
02:05:26,720 --> 02:05:28,520
that they're finding underground in

3457
02:05:28,159 --> 02:05:29,319
Peru.

3458
02:05:28,520 --> 02:05:30,360
>> There's a couple guys. What was the

3459
02:05:29,319 --> 02:05:31,840
other guy?

3460
02:05:30,359 --> 02:05:33,039
He

3461
02:05:31,840 --> 02:05:33,560
He's got black hair. I can't remember

3462
02:05:33,039 --> 02:05:34,720
his name.

3463
02:05:33,560 --> 02:05:35,600
>> That's Luke. The younger guy?

3464
02:05:34,720 --> 02:05:38,520
>> Yeah, younger guy.

3465
02:05:35,600 --> 02:05:40,160
>> Luke. So basically he was talking about

3466
02:05:38,520 --> 02:05:42,640
the fact that there's two layers of

3467
02:05:40,159 --> 02:05:45,800
ancient stuff in Peru. The first layer

3468
02:05:42,640 --> 02:05:47,760
is younger and what's below it is what's

3469
02:05:45,800 --> 02:05:49,400
really incredible and more complex.

3470
02:05:47,760 --> 02:05:51,760
>> More complex but they don't want to go

3471
02:05:49,399 --> 02:05:54,239
there because you're going to destroy an

3472
02:05:51,760 --> 02:05:55,560
existing archaeological site that's on

3473
02:05:54,239 --> 02:05:56,800
top of it.

3474
02:05:55,560 --> 02:05:59,039
So what's happening is they're having

3475
02:05:56,800 --> 02:06:01,239
trouble now getting permission to go to

3476
02:05:59,039 --> 02:06:02,720
the lower level which is even better

3477
02:06:01,239 --> 02:06:06,199
because they're they're going to have to

3478
02:06:02,720 --> 02:06:07,800
break an archaeological site of a of a

3479
02:06:06,199 --> 02:06:09,239
more recent

3480
02:06:07,800 --> 02:06:12,000
part of that civilization.

3481
02:06:09,239 --> 02:06:14,000
>> is a common theme among people. We build

3482
02:06:12,000 --> 02:06:16,199
on older sites. There's a place that I

3483
02:06:14,000 --> 02:06:18,640
go to in Italy in the Amalfi Coast and

3484
02:06:16,199 --> 02:06:20,159
there's this incredible old

3485
02:06:18,640 --> 02:06:22,600
church there that's over a thousand

3486
02:06:20,159 --> 02:06:25,119
years old. But it's built on an even

3487
02:06:22,600 --> 02:06:27,200
older church and there's a plexiglass

3488
02:06:25,119 --> 02:06:29,159
floor that shows the old church.

3489
02:06:27,199 --> 02:06:30,679
>> Yes. That the old church is underneath

3490
02:06:29,159 --> 02:06:32,479
it and you can see the structure of this

3491
02:06:30,680 --> 02:06:33,800
old church. And I was asking them, "How

3492
02:06:32,479 --> 02:06:35,079
old is the old church?" They go, "We

3493
02:06:33,800 --> 02:06:37,320
don't know."

3494
02:06:35,079 --> 02:06:39,199
It's over a thousand years old. So it's

3495
02:06:37,319 --> 02:06:41,439
over a thousand years old this church

3496
02:06:39,199 --> 02:06:43,639
and then this really old church is on

3497
02:06:41,439 --> 02:06:45,919
top of it that's like hundreds and

3498
02:06:43,640 --> 02:06:47,720
hundreds of years old also. But they

3499
02:06:45,920 --> 02:06:49,920
built it on top of an existing

3500
02:06:47,720 --> 02:06:51,800
structure. So this is a common theme.

3501
02:06:49,920 --> 02:06:54,840
This is a theme in Peru where you see

3502
02:06:51,800 --> 02:06:57,199
the Inca construction which is like much

3503
02:06:54,840 --> 02:06:59,960
less complicated, smaller stones, you

3504
02:06:57,199 --> 02:07:01,679
know, mud mortar and it but it's on top

3505
02:06:59,960 --> 02:07:04,199
of these megalithic structures that are

3506
02:07:01,680 --> 02:07:06,360
carved in these jigsaw shapes where it

3507
02:07:04,199 --> 02:07:09,279
seems like they're they've been melted.

3508
02:07:06,359 --> 02:07:10,839
Yeah. It's freaky stuff. They have no

3509
02:07:09,279 --> 02:07:12,759
understanding of what technology was

3510
02:07:10,840 --> 02:07:15,319
used, who did it, how they did it, how

3511
02:07:12,760 --> 02:07:17,800
they moved these immense thousand-ton

3512
02:07:15,319 --> 02:07:19,960
stones and cut them with precision in

3513
02:07:17,800 --> 02:07:22,199
this jigsaw way so that it will absorb

3514
02:07:19,960 --> 02:07:23,560
the energy of earthquakes and not fall

3515
02:07:22,199 --> 02:07:25,720
down.

3516
02:07:23,560 --> 02:07:27,080
Yeah, that's crazy. I mean that's crazy.

3517
02:07:25,720 --> 02:07:29,600
>> There's a lot of that stuff that's

3518
02:07:27,079 --> 02:07:32,439
really, really freaky. And then you get

3519
02:07:29,600 --> 02:07:34,480
into old religious texts and that's when

3520
02:07:32,439 --> 02:07:36,519
things get really freaky. You get to

3521
02:07:34,479 --> 02:07:38,279
things like the Book of Enoch that talk

3522
02:07:36,520 --> 02:07:40,920
about the watchers who came down from

3523
02:07:38,279 --> 02:07:44,159
the sky and created humans. A lot of

3524
02:07:40,920 --> 02:07:46,920
unusual stuff happened a long time a

3525
02:07:44,159 --> 02:07:49,800
long time ago. And we don't have a good

3526
02:07:46,920 --> 02:07:51,560
record of it. We just have what we know

3527
02:07:49,800 --> 02:07:53,560
and what we know we get very arrogant

3528
02:07:51,560 --> 02:07:54,160
about. We know what happened 300 years

3529
02:07:53,560 --> 02:07:56,360
ago.

3530
02:07:54,159 --> 02:07:57,519
>> good point. Of what we know we get very

3531
02:07:56,359 --> 02:07:59,359
arrogant about.

3532
02:07:57,520 --> 02:08:01,360
>> it's also And anything else we don't.

3533
02:07:59,359 --> 02:08:03,639
>> These academics

3534
02:08:01,359 --> 02:08:05,839
and these people that are in charge of

3535
02:08:03,640 --> 02:08:07,480
the narrative like the people in Egypt

3536
02:08:05,840 --> 02:08:10,319
where they're very arrogant and they're

3537
02:08:07,479 --> 02:08:12,000
gatekeepers cuz their whole identity is

3538
02:08:10,319 --> 02:08:14,039
based on them being the ones that

3539
02:08:12,000 --> 02:08:15,680
explained to the world how these

3540
02:08:14,039 --> 02:08:17,600
incredible sites were produced. And if

3541
02:08:15,680 --> 02:08:19,000
something comes along that is counter to

3542
02:08:17,600 --> 02:08:21,079
that narrative

3543
02:08:19,000 --> 02:08:23,000
they fight it. They fight it because it

3544
02:08:21,079 --> 02:08:25,399
is their it's part of them. It's their

3545
02:08:23,000 --> 02:08:27,319
identity. Yeah, when I spoke to Filippo

3546
02:08:25,399 --> 02:08:29,279
Biondi, I talked to one of my cousins in

3547
02:08:27,319 --> 02:08:31,159
Italy. I spent a lot of my time in Italy

3548
02:08:29,279 --> 02:08:32,960
when I was younger. One of them, she was

3549
02:08:31,159 --> 02:08:35,960
younger than I was when I was there but

3550
02:08:32,960 --> 02:08:38,319
she's now become a respected archaeol

3551
02:08:35,960 --> 02:08:41,880
archaeologist in Rome and she's an

3552
02:08:38,319 --> 02:08:43,880
Egyptologist, okay? And I went out to

3553
02:08:41,880 --> 02:08:45,640
Italy to visit family and I was sitting

3554
02:08:43,880 --> 02:08:47,680
at the table. This is not even that long

3555
02:08:45,640 --> 02:08:49,800
ago. And she's sitting next to me and I

3556
02:08:47,680 --> 02:08:52,680
mean I remember her from from being a

3557
02:08:49,800 --> 02:08:54,920
kid. And she nudged me at the table.

3558
02:08:52,680 --> 02:08:57,039
There's her family's all academic.

3559
02:08:54,920 --> 02:08:58,880
Everybody's a doctor or scientist or

3560
02:08:57,039 --> 02:09:02,279
something like that. So, there's always

3561
02:08:58,880 --> 02:09:04,600
that pride of the science and she nudges

3562
02:09:02,279 --> 02:09:06,880
me and in Italian she says, "I'm really

3563
02:09:04,600 --> 02:09:08,680
interested in what what you do, what

3564
02:09:06,880 --> 02:09:12,000
you're looking into." And I knew what

3565
02:09:08,680 --> 02:09:14,920
she meant. It was about UFOs. And I just

3566
02:09:12,000 --> 02:09:18,520
responded, "I'm I'm even more interested

3567
02:09:14,920 --> 02:09:19,920
in what you know about what's out there

3568
02:09:18,520 --> 02:09:21,920
in Egypt."

3569
02:09:19,920 --> 02:09:24,680
And she looked at me

3570
02:09:21,920 --> 02:09:27,359
and she says, "We don't really know

3571
02:09:24,680 --> 02:09:29,800
all of it, some a lot of she said a lot

3572
02:09:27,359 --> 02:09:32,239
of it makes no sense."

3573
02:09:29,800 --> 02:09:34,640
But she said it whispering because she

3574
02:09:32,239 --> 02:09:37,159
knew that that's not well seen at the

3575
02:09:34,640 --> 02:09:39,119
table cuz now she's going to come across

3576
02:09:37,159 --> 02:09:41,199
as this pseudo-science type of like, "Oh

3577
02:09:39,119 --> 02:09:43,279
my god, she's going to come out of the

3578
02:09:41,199 --> 02:09:46,840
the the mainstream,

3579
02:09:43,279 --> 02:09:49,479
you know." So, and then she she came she

3580
02:09:46,840 --> 02:09:51,039
went to her place and I was still there.

3581
02:09:49,479 --> 02:09:53,479
We were there for a couple of days. She

3582
02:09:51,039 --> 02:09:55,439
came and gave me a little book

3583
02:09:53,479 --> 02:09:57,439
and

3584
02:09:55,439 --> 02:10:01,519
it in Italian, I don't know how to say

3585
02:09:57,439 --> 02:10:03,159
it. Il van the the the missing I don't

3586
02:10:01,520 --> 02:10:05,200
know how to say it in English, but

3587
02:10:03,159 --> 02:10:08,079
the missing evangelio, like the missing

3588
02:10:05,199 --> 02:10:10,439
scriptures, basically. It's a little

3589
02:10:08,079 --> 02:10:12,720
book in Italian about the missing

3590
02:10:10,439 --> 02:10:14,519
scriptures that are not in the Bible

3591
02:10:12,720 --> 02:10:16,159
that speak of things that are not

3592
02:10:14,520 --> 02:10:17,800
convenient

3593
02:10:16,159 --> 02:10:20,319
for what we

3594
02:10:17,800 --> 02:10:21,440
are arrogant to think we understand. And

3595
02:10:20,319 --> 02:10:23,439
one of the fascinating things about

3596
02:10:21,439 --> 02:10:26,119
these missing scriptures is they found

3597
02:10:23,439 --> 02:10:27,799
them alongside existing scriptures. So,

3598
02:10:26,119 --> 02:10:30,319
when they found the Dead Sea Scrolls in

3599
02:10:27,800 --> 02:10:31,880
Qumran, so they found these in a cave in

3600
02:10:30,319 --> 02:10:34,119
Qumran. And it was it's kind of a crazy

3601
02:10:31,880 --> 02:10:36,000
thing like someone threw a rock and hit

3602
02:10:34,119 --> 02:10:37,840
a clay pot and heard the shattering of a

3603
02:10:36,000 --> 02:10:39,520
clay pot. So, they threw a rock into

3604
02:10:37,840 --> 02:10:41,720
this high

3605
02:10:39,520 --> 02:10:43,000
cave and

3606
02:10:41,720 --> 02:10:44,360
realized there was something in there

3607
02:10:43,000 --> 02:10:45,760
and then they started looking and then

3608
02:10:44,359 --> 02:10:47,839
they found these scrolls that were in

3609
02:10:45,760 --> 02:10:49,760
these clay pots. Inside the scrolls they

3610
02:10:47,840 --> 02:10:53,119
found the Book of Isaiah.

3611
02:10:49,760 --> 02:10:54,920
It was a thousand years older than the

3612
02:10:53,119 --> 02:10:57,680
oldest version of the Book of Isaiah

3613
02:10:54,920 --> 02:11:01,079
that we had ever found and

3614
02:10:57,680 --> 02:11:03,360
it's identical verbatim to the Book of

3615
02:11:01,079 --> 02:11:06,279
Isaiah that is currently in the Bible.

3616
02:11:03,359 --> 02:11:08,880
Along with it is the Book of Enoch and

3617
02:11:06,279 --> 02:11:11,479
the Book of Enoch is squirrely.

3618
02:11:08,880 --> 02:11:13,840
>> Yeah. That Book of Enoch is squirrely.

3619
02:11:11,479 --> 02:11:16,559
That's a good way to describe it. Just a

3620
02:11:13,840 --> 02:11:18,520
few rabbis decided that the Book of

3621
02:11:16,560 --> 02:11:20,160
Enoch was too weird cuz it didn't jive

3622
02:11:18,520 --> 02:11:22,840
with the Torah, so they left it out of

3623
02:11:20,159 --> 02:11:24,079
the biblical canon. That's why it's not

3624
02:11:22,840 --> 02:11:25,360
taught.

3625
02:11:24,079 --> 02:11:26,720
But the Book of Enoch is readily

3626
02:11:25,359 --> 02:11:29,279
available. You can read it and it's also

3627
02:11:26,720 --> 02:11:30,640
in the Ethiopian Bible. The Ethiopian

3628
02:11:29,279 --> 02:11:31,880
Bible includes the Book of Enoch.

3629
02:11:30,640 --> 02:11:34,640
>> Really? Yes, and those are the people

3630
02:11:31,880 --> 02:11:35,400
that supposedly are in possession of the

3631
02:11:34,640 --> 02:11:37,720
Ark of the Covenant.

3632
02:11:35,399 --> 02:11:39,159
>> the Covenant, yeah. Which is like

3633
02:11:37,720 --> 02:11:41,920
Graham Hancock talks about it. There's

3634
02:11:39,159 --> 02:11:43,920
like a person is set to like they have a

3635
02:11:41,920 --> 02:11:45,399
job of watching the Ark of the Covenant,

3636
02:11:43,920 --> 02:11:47,159
but it's known that it's going to kill

3637
02:11:45,399 --> 02:11:48,799
them, so they all get cataracts and

3638
02:11:47,159 --> 02:11:49,599
cancer and they all want to die.

3639
02:11:48,800 --> 02:11:50,880
>> things, yeah, that's right.

3640
02:11:49,600 --> 02:11:52,680
>> Well, it has some sort of radiation

3641
02:11:50,880 --> 02:11:54,680
apparently and they they exhibit signs

3642
02:11:52,680 --> 02:11:56,440
of radiation poisoning when these people

3643
02:11:54,680 --> 02:11:57,640
are designed to be the curators.

3644
02:11:56,439 --> 02:11:58,439
>> Where is the Ark of the Covenant

3645
02:11:57,640 --> 02:12:00,680
supposed to be?

3646
02:11:58,439 --> 02:12:02,359
>> supposedly in Ethiopia. So, you guys

3647
02:12:00,680 --> 02:12:03,880
think that's

3648
02:12:02,359 --> 02:12:05,559
I mean, I'm very

3649
02:12:03,880 --> 02:12:06,960
>> it's ancient technology. I think it's

3650
02:12:05,560 --> 02:12:09,920
probably ancient technology. It's

3651
02:12:06,960 --> 02:12:12,840
probably some completely

3652
02:12:09,920 --> 02:12:14,480
not understood ancient technology. I'm

3653
02:12:12,840 --> 02:12:15,159
I'm not discounting it. I'm just I'm

3654
02:12:14,479 --> 02:12:15,879
just wondering.

3655
02:12:15,159 --> 02:12:17,119
>> Well, I like the fact that you're

3656
02:12:15,880 --> 02:12:18,690
skeptical even though you have the

3657
02:12:17,119 --> 02:12:19,439
craziest story of all time.

3658
02:12:18,690 --> 02:12:20,119
>> [laughter]

3659
02:12:19,439 --> 02:12:22,000
>> But it's

3660
02:12:20,119 --> 02:12:23,760
it's speaks to your integrity. It really

3661
02:12:22,000 --> 02:12:26,159
does because you're not a guy who

3662
02:12:23,760 --> 02:12:27,480
believes cookie So, for you, a guy

3663
02:12:26,159 --> 02:12:29,359
who doesn't believe cookie is a

3664
02:12:27,479 --> 02:12:31,399
hard rational scientist who is an

3665
02:12:29,359 --> 02:12:33,159
engineer who's done things like put a

3666
02:12:31,399 --> 02:12:36,039
rocket engine in the back of a

3667
02:12:33,159 --> 02:12:38,559
Honda and then or a hydrogen powered

3668
02:12:36,039 --> 02:12:40,399
Corvette and then you go and see these

3669
02:12:38,560 --> 02:12:42,440
things you're like, "Wait, what what the

3670
02:12:40,399 --> 02:12:43,199
is this thing you have in this

3671
02:12:42,439 --> 02:12:44,079
hangar?"

3672
02:12:43,199 --> 02:12:45,000
>> technology.

3673
02:12:44,079 --> 02:12:47,720
>> Right.

3674
02:12:45,000 --> 02:12:49,800
Nothing else. Right. So, I mean, to hear

3675
02:12:47,720 --> 02:12:51,520
something like that, it's Do you think

3676
02:12:49,800 --> 02:12:53,520
that that

3677
02:12:51,520 --> 02:12:55,760
that actually exists?

3678
02:12:53,520 --> 02:12:57,600
I don't know. Um Graham Hancock is

3679
02:12:55,760 --> 02:12:58,720
convinced it exists. It's very carefully

3680
02:12:57,600 --> 02:12:59,760
guarded and these people have been

3681
02:12:58,720 --> 02:13:01,159
guarding it for centuries.

3682
02:12:59,760 --> 02:13:03,159
>> it's just it's throughout history,

3683
02:13:01,159 --> 02:13:05,159
right? So, I mean, there's too many

3684
02:13:03,159 --> 02:13:07,439
missing pieces of the puzzle to really

3685
02:13:05,159 --> 02:13:08,760
say one way or another. I don't think

3686
02:13:07,439 --> 02:13:11,399
there's a right

3687
02:13:08,760 --> 02:13:13,560
>> mythology or an actual

3688
02:13:11,399 --> 02:13:15,000
>> Right. But it is weird that he's talked

3689
02:13:13,560 --> 02:13:16,560
to these people. They have these

3690
02:13:15,000 --> 02:13:18,279
cataracts and these people all say the

3691
02:13:16,560 --> 02:13:20,840
same thing. They die. The people that

3692
02:13:18,279 --> 02:13:22,960
are designed or that are designated to

3693
02:13:20,840 --> 02:13:24,000
be the curators of this

3694
02:13:22,960 --> 02:13:26,399
particular religious

3695
02:13:24,000 --> 02:13:28,760
>> I relate this back to the I think I told

3696
02:13:26,399 --> 02:13:31,639
you the first time we met, you know, if

3697
02:13:28,760 --> 02:13:33,400
somebody found a nuclear reactor Right.

3698
02:13:31,640 --> 02:13:36,600
back at that time, you know, and they

3699
02:13:33,399 --> 02:13:37,279
took it apart they just would drop dead.

3700
02:13:36,600 --> 02:13:39,720
Right.

3701
02:13:37,279 --> 02:13:41,479
>> the radiation. Yeah, magically from

3702
02:13:39,720 --> 02:13:43,400
that. And anybody that came in to check

3703
02:13:41,479 --> 02:13:44,719
on them would also die and they go,

3704
02:13:43,399 --> 02:13:46,519
"This is evil

3705
02:13:44,720 --> 02:13:48,400
evil. It's cursed or whatever."

3706
02:13:46,520 --> 02:13:51,120
>> Or and something that you're not

3707
02:13:48,399 --> 02:13:52,439
supposed to have access to because it's

3708
02:13:51,119 --> 02:13:55,199
divine.

3709
02:13:52,439 --> 02:13:59,079
>> Yeah, right. Could this be something at

3710
02:13:55,199 --> 02:14:01,319
another level? Yes. That I have to say

3711
02:13:59,079 --> 02:14:03,800
and I I mean, I'm no one to say it, but

3712
02:14:01,319 --> 02:14:06,719
I struggle with divine stuff because I'm

3713
02:14:03,800 --> 02:14:09,360
like it this this craft or this

3714
02:14:06,720 --> 02:14:12,199
technology I mean, our phones to

3715
02:14:09,359 --> 02:14:14,920
somebody a thousand years ago would look

3716
02:14:12,199 --> 02:14:17,800
like some divine object. I mean, it it's

3717
02:14:14,920 --> 02:14:19,920
technology to us. So, we have to be very

3718
02:14:17,800 --> 02:14:21,920
cautious in like I I'm not saying there

3719
02:14:19,920 --> 02:14:24,720
is no divine something. Maybe there is,

3720
02:14:21,920 --> 02:14:27,680
we don't know, but I think technology

3721
02:14:24,720 --> 02:14:28,600
really could mask itself as divine power

3722
02:14:27,680 --> 02:14:29,840
or

3723
02:14:28,600 --> 02:14:33,880
or

3724
02:14:29,840 --> 02:14:36,520
divine energy itself could be technology

3725
02:14:33,880 --> 02:14:38,560
taken to its final form.

3726
02:14:36,520 --> 02:14:40,240
That's that I'm open to. Well, if you

3727
02:14:38,560 --> 02:14:42,800
think about what we're talking about

3728
02:14:40,239 --> 02:14:44,439
with sentient AI, an AI that has the

3729
02:14:42,800 --> 02:14:47,600
ability to make better versions of

3730
02:14:44,439 --> 02:14:49,799
itself, what happens if it's left alone

3731
02:14:47,600 --> 02:14:51,120
Yeah. for a thousand years to do this?

3732
02:14:49,800 --> 02:14:52,640
Well, what do you have? You have

3733
02:14:51,119 --> 02:14:54,439
something that can harness the power of

3734
02:14:52,640 --> 02:14:55,600
the universe itself.

3735
02:14:54,439 --> 02:14:57,799
It has access

3736
02:14:55,600 --> 02:14:59,840
zero point energy, can do whatever I

3737
02:14:57,800 --> 02:15:01,920
mean, has a complete understanding of

3738
02:14:59,840 --> 02:15:03,560
quantum quantum entanglement, complete

3739
02:15:01,920 --> 02:15:05,840
understanding of how the universe

3740
02:15:03,560 --> 02:15:07,160
functions, how it was created. I mean,

3741
02:15:05,840 --> 02:15:09,079
there's new theories that believe that

3742
02:15:07,159 --> 02:15:10,920
the entire universe itself exists inside

3743
02:15:09,079 --> 02:15:12,079
of a black hole. They're trying to

3744
02:15:10,920 --> 02:15:13,760
figure out whether or not there were

3745
02:15:12,079 --> 02:15:16,119
ever was a big bang or if it's a

3746
02:15:13,760 --> 02:15:18,800
continuous cycle of things existing

3747
02:15:16,119 --> 02:15:20,479
inside black holes. So, where where

3748
02:15:18,800 --> 02:15:22,680
where do you think we are? What do you

3749
02:15:20,479 --> 02:15:24,679
think this is? I think it's a process. I

3750
02:15:22,680 --> 02:15:27,159
think we're we're at a stage of a

3751
02:15:24,680 --> 02:15:29,480
process. Our problem is we have

3752
02:15:27,159 --> 02:15:32,239
ideology, we have

3753
02:15:29,479 --> 02:15:34,159
we have dogma, we have ego, we have

3754
02:15:32,239 --> 02:15:36,319
people that are smarter than most

3755
02:15:34,159 --> 02:15:37,840
people, but want to think that they have

3756
02:15:36,319 --> 02:15:39,439
all the information and I don't think

3757
02:15:37,840 --> 02:15:40,600
they do. And then we have open-minded

3758
02:15:39,439 --> 02:15:42,279
people that are curious, but don't want

3759
02:15:40,600 --> 02:15:43,720
to look like kooks and they're all

3760
02:15:42,279 --> 02:15:46,479
trying to figure it out while we're

3761
02:15:43,720 --> 02:15:48,480
making a digital god while these

3762
02:15:46,479 --> 02:15:50,719
weirdo on the spectrum eggheads

3763
02:15:48,479 --> 02:15:51,568
>> are literally manufacturing our own god.

3764
02:15:50,720 --> 02:15:51,920
>> Right. Right.

3765
02:15:51,569 --> 02:15:54,800
>> [laughter]

3766
02:15:51,920 --> 02:15:56,840
>> We are. We are. If that and you you

3767
02:15:54,800 --> 02:15:58,520
extrapolate, you go from where it is

3768
02:15:56,840 --> 02:16:00,119
now, you think about the exponential

3769
02:15:58,520 --> 02:16:03,080
increase of technology. Well, where does

3770
02:16:00,119 --> 02:16:05,880
that go? It kind of goes divine. I mean,

3771
02:16:03,079 --> 02:16:08,399
that might be what God is. We want to

3772
02:16:05,880 --> 02:16:10,800
think that God is a thing that exists.

3773
02:16:08,399 --> 02:16:13,199
It just exists, it created everything.

3774
02:16:10,800 --> 02:16:15,480
Maybe we make God.

3775
02:16:13,199 --> 02:16:18,359
>> yeah. Yeah. All right, we're on the same

3776
02:16:15,479 --> 02:16:20,719
channel, yeah. I I think we created we I

3777
02:16:18,359 --> 02:16:23,519
think we created God. I think human

3778
02:16:20,720 --> 02:16:26,079
curiosity and the this thirst for

3779
02:16:23,520 --> 02:16:28,360
innovation is all a part of it.

3780
02:16:26,079 --> 02:16:30,519
I'll say something about the technology

3781
02:16:28,359 --> 02:16:32,000
cuz it always fascinates me. I mean, I

3782
02:16:30,520 --> 02:16:34,239
spent four years with Bob and I had to

3783
02:16:32,000 --> 02:16:36,000
build it in a virtual environment, so I

3784
02:16:34,239 --> 02:16:38,799
kind of had to think about it while I'm

3785
02:16:36,000 --> 02:16:42,159
doing it, but if you really think about

3786
02:16:38,799 --> 02:16:44,439
what this technology that you saw does

3787
02:16:42,159 --> 02:16:46,319
it essentially creates this artificial

3788
02:16:44,440 --> 02:16:47,960
field of whether it's artificial maybe

3789
02:16:46,319 --> 02:16:49,519
it's natural. Maybe it's a natural

3790
02:16:47,959 --> 02:16:52,479
field, but it creates a field that we're

3791
02:16:49,519 --> 02:16:54,559
not familiar with and that field I mean,

3792
02:16:52,479 --> 02:16:57,119
Joe, you saw the movie there was a test

3793
02:16:54,558 --> 02:16:59,359
that was done in the lab that froze a

3794
02:16:57,120 --> 02:17:01,719
candle flame. Right, right.

3795
02:16:59,360 --> 02:17:05,480
But the but the photons are still

3796
02:17:01,718 --> 02:17:07,239
visible within our realm here outside of

3797
02:17:05,479 --> 02:17:10,558
the field and you're still seeing the

3798
02:17:07,239 --> 02:17:16,079
photons, yet it looks like it's frozen.

3799
02:17:10,558 --> 02:17:18,679
To me is the is this is that technology

3800
02:17:16,079 --> 02:17:20,959
like a black hole? Is it some type of

3801
02:17:18,679 --> 02:17:23,799
time stop?

3802
02:17:20,959 --> 02:17:27,759
And they and it it basically gives us

3803
02:17:23,799 --> 02:17:30,239
the power to utilize time in our

3804
02:17:27,760 --> 02:17:32,559
advantage. If you think about

3805
02:17:30,239 --> 02:17:35,199
progression in technology, anything we

3806
02:17:32,558 --> 02:17:37,159
do, it takes time. Anything takes time.

3807
02:17:35,200 --> 02:17:39,120
Whether it's computing power where now

3808
02:17:37,159 --> 02:17:41,319
we're seeing quantum computers do things

3809
02:17:39,120 --> 02:17:43,559
that they're faster and faster and they

3810
02:17:41,319 --> 02:17:45,558
could do a trillion processes in an

3811
02:17:43,558 --> 02:17:47,638
instant and Japan is going coming up

3812
02:17:45,558 --> 02:17:49,439
with better and then China.

3813
02:17:47,638 --> 02:17:52,319
But because everything has to do with

3814
02:17:49,440 --> 02:17:56,960
how long does it take to do that? Right.

3815
02:17:52,319 --> 02:17:58,599
If a technology can make you bypass time

3816
02:17:56,959 --> 02:18:01,399
it's like the record player playing

3817
02:17:58,599 --> 02:18:03,679
music, but you're you're now able to

3818
02:18:01,399 --> 02:18:06,039
lift it lift the little pin on the

3819
02:18:03,679 --> 02:18:07,760
record and move it to wherever you want.

3820
02:18:06,040 --> 02:18:10,599
>> Yes. That's a good way to describe it.

3821
02:18:07,760 --> 02:18:12,239
>> Right? And now at that point time is in

3822
02:18:10,599 --> 02:18:14,920
your hands.

3823
02:18:12,239 --> 02:18:17,399
And if we have a technology similar to

3824
02:18:14,920 --> 02:18:20,479
what you saw because you always said

3825
02:18:17,399 --> 02:18:22,799
gravity is a control gravity and time.

3826
02:18:20,479 --> 02:18:24,000
>> yeah. It it's interlocked, right?

3827
02:18:22,799 --> 02:18:27,039
>> and time are interlocked.

3828
02:18:24,000 --> 02:18:30,000
>> Exactly. So, if that's interlocked, then

3829
02:18:27,040 --> 02:18:32,519
we have to look at it not just as a

3830
02:18:30,000 --> 02:18:33,718
propulsion system or some type of cool

3831
02:18:32,519 --> 02:18:36,399
weapon

3832
02:18:33,718 --> 02:18:39,000
but how is it affecting time and how can

3833
02:18:36,399 --> 02:18:41,599
we use that to our benefit to evolve

3834
02:18:39,000 --> 02:18:45,319
sorry, to evolve faster?

3835
02:18:41,599 --> 02:18:47,679
Because again the faster we can compute,

3836
02:18:45,319 --> 02:18:50,799
the faster we could do something, the

3837
02:18:47,679 --> 02:18:53,079
faster we're evolving. And if we could

3838
02:18:50,799 --> 02:18:55,759
lift that needle and bring it faster to

3839
02:18:53,079 --> 02:18:57,760
get there to get somewhere, why not use

3840
02:18:55,760 --> 02:19:00,200
it? Or should I mean should we be

3841
02:18:57,760 --> 02:19:00,800
allowed to do that? Austin our current

3842
02:19:00,200 --> 02:19:02,831
form.

3843
02:19:00,799 --> 02:19:03,159
>> Yeah, I know. I

3844
02:19:02,831 --> 02:19:06,479
>> [laughter]

3845
02:19:03,159 --> 02:19:08,079
>> Like I said, I'm I'm not exactly on our

3846
02:19:06,479 --> 02:19:09,760
side anymore.

3847
02:19:08,079 --> 02:19:11,879
Well, that was one of the

3848
02:19:09,760 --> 02:19:14,079
Do you remember Jamie who discussed the

3849
02:19:11,879 --> 02:19:16,479
way they were describing the use of some

3850
02:19:14,079 --> 02:19:18,039
of this alien technology as

3851
02:19:16,479 --> 02:19:21,079
instantaneous

3852
02:19:18,040 --> 02:19:22,719
weapon deployment systems? I I'm not

3853
02:19:21,079 --> 02:19:23,200
sure we should be trusted with this

3854
02:19:22,718 --> 02:19:26,279
stuff.

3855
02:19:23,200 --> 02:19:28,280
>> Right. No, really. Well, you think about

3856
02:19:26,280 --> 02:19:30,679
what we're doing in Iran right now, you

3857
02:19:28,280 --> 02:19:32,400
would say no. Yeah. Yeah, I would I

3858
02:19:30,679 --> 02:19:34,638
would say no for sure.

3859
02:19:32,399 --> 02:19:35,359
>> over patches of dirt and bombing the

3860
02:19:34,638 --> 02:19:37,839
out of

3861
02:19:35,360 --> 02:19:41,599
>> No, imagine if we had something a a a

3862
02:19:37,840 --> 02:19:44,840
million times that power. Um

3863
02:19:41,599 --> 02:19:46,639
Really, humans should not

3864
02:19:44,840 --> 02:19:48,280
be trusted with that.

3865
02:19:46,638 --> 02:19:50,839
>> Right, we got to trust it to AI. That's

3866
02:19:48,280 --> 02:19:52,000
why we're making it, Bob.

3867
02:19:50,840 --> 02:19:54,799
This is [laughter] This is getting

3868
02:19:52,000 --> 02:19:56,319
scary. Yeah, it is getting scary. It is.

3869
02:19:54,799 --> 02:19:56,719
But it's it's not science fiction

3870
02:19:56,319 --> 02:19:59,039
anymore.

3871
02:19:56,719 --> 02:20:01,279
>> no no it's not I mean we're making fun

3872
02:19:59,040 --> 02:20:03,600
of it now, but no this is this is

3873
02:20:01,280 --> 02:20:05,480
dangerous stuff and I'm

3874
02:20:03,600 --> 02:20:07,520
you know, I'm sorry for the people who

3875
02:20:05,479 --> 02:20:10,479
think this is all a joke. It's not. This

3876
02:20:07,520 --> 02:20:12,280
is real. And um

3877
02:20:10,479 --> 02:20:14,600
I'm really not sure we should be trusted

3878
02:20:12,280 --> 02:20:17,040
with this. That's maybe why for 40 years

3879
02:20:14,600 --> 02:20:17,800
or 60 years people have agreed to keep

3880
02:20:17,040 --> 02:20:18,320
it quiet.

3881
02:20:17,799 --> 02:20:20,439
>> I would agree.

3882
02:20:18,319 --> 02:20:21,600
>> And and um

3883
02:20:20,440 --> 02:20:22,159
Well, that's the most logical

3884
02:20:21,600 --> 02:20:23,880
conclusion.

3885
02:20:22,159 --> 02:20:26,479
>> Yeah, this is incredibly dangerous

3886
02:20:23,879 --> 02:20:30,000
stuff. And again, it's a world

3887
02:20:26,479 --> 02:20:31,879
dominating technology. And I I don't

3888
02:20:30,000 --> 02:20:34,159
know what to do with it other than to

3889
02:20:31,879 --> 02:20:35,199
keep it from people.

3890
02:20:34,159 --> 02:20:37,959
So,

3891
02:20:35,200 --> 02:20:40,800
and how do we know if it comes out

3892
02:20:37,959 --> 02:20:42,799
something I always struggle with is

3893
02:20:40,799 --> 02:20:43,559
let's say they they let's say we do get

3894
02:20:42,799 --> 02:20:45,759
an a

3895
02:20:43,559 --> 02:20:47,760
some some type of thing saying, all

3896
02:20:45,760 --> 02:20:48,920
right, we we have to see it from

3897
02:20:47,760 --> 02:20:51,239
somebody in the government, the

3898
02:20:48,920 --> 02:20:53,799
president, whoever that says, okay, here

3899
02:20:51,239 --> 02:20:55,639
we are, we have this. Well, first of

3900
02:20:53,799 --> 02:20:57,039
all, we have to validate it. The

3901
02:20:55,639 --> 02:20:58,319
journalists are going to The whole world

3902
02:20:57,040 --> 02:20:59,920
Nobody's going to say The media is not

3903
02:20:58,319 --> 02:21:01,039
going to just trust somebody saying

3904
02:20:59,920 --> 02:21:02,120
that. They're going to go, okay, wait a

3905
02:21:01,040 --> 02:21:03,960
minute. What are you talking about,

3906
02:21:02,120 --> 02:21:05,640
right? So, it's not like because

3907
02:21:03,959 --> 02:21:07,799
somebody says it, we just have to

3908
02:21:05,639 --> 02:21:10,559
swallow it. It's like, all right,

3909
02:21:07,799 --> 02:21:12,639
go. Show us, right? And then when you do

3910
02:21:10,559 --> 02:21:15,039
that, well, now you're exposing

3911
02:21:12,639 --> 02:21:18,680
something else. What do we What What

3912
02:21:15,040 --> 02:21:22,040
happens when we need to believe it? Like

3913
02:21:18,680 --> 02:21:24,280
as as a as a as people, what do what has

3914
02:21:22,040 --> 02:21:26,200
to happen for me to believe something

3915
02:21:24,280 --> 02:21:28,159
that somebody says?

3916
02:21:26,200 --> 02:21:30,320
There really has to be something serious

3917
02:21:28,159 --> 02:21:31,799
that makes me believe it. Right.

3918
02:21:30,319 --> 02:21:33,760
>> You know what I mean? Like some if a

3919
02:21:31,799 --> 02:21:35,279
president or anybody, prime minister,

3920
02:21:33,760 --> 02:21:38,360
whoever it is says something to me, I'll

3921
02:21:35,280 --> 02:21:38,920
still go like, okay. I mean, show me.

3922
02:21:38,360 --> 02:21:41,480
Right.

3923
02:21:38,920 --> 02:21:44,600
>> they when they show it, how do I know

3924
02:21:41,479 --> 02:21:46,639
that's actually that?

3925
02:21:44,600 --> 02:21:49,360
Think about that. Yeah. Right? And then

3926
02:21:46,639 --> 02:21:52,399
from there, we now have to go to another

3927
02:21:49,360 --> 02:21:54,120
level of okay, well, if we have to prove

3928
02:21:52,399 --> 02:21:55,399
it, we have to bring in scientific

3929
02:21:54,120 --> 02:21:58,600
community.

3930
02:21:55,399 --> 02:22:00,879
Okay. That means they have access to it.

3931
02:21:58,600 --> 02:22:01,920
What's the security parameters there?

3932
02:22:00,879 --> 02:22:03,519
Right. And then you get

3933
02:22:01,920 --> 02:22:05,639
compartmentalization.

3934
02:22:03,520 --> 02:22:07,560
Right. And then that stops any sort of

3935
02:22:05,639 --> 02:22:10,239
an understanding of And that's why you

3936
02:22:07,559 --> 02:22:12,479
have this stigma this stick this

3937
02:22:10,239 --> 02:22:14,319
stagnation of where you've got these

3938
02:22:12,479 --> 02:22:16,079
people working on this thing for decades

3939
02:22:14,319 --> 02:22:18,039
and not making any progress. Do you know

3940
02:22:16,079 --> 02:22:20,559
how far we could have gotten if there

3941
02:22:18,040 --> 02:22:23,040
was free discussion between all the

3942
02:22:20,559 --> 02:22:24,760
groups working on this? Right. Yeah. But

3943
02:22:23,040 --> 02:22:26,560
then you also have these psychos

3944
02:22:24,760 --> 02:22:28,559
like from Dr. Strangelove that want to

3945
02:22:26,559 --> 02:22:30,159
turn it into a nuclear delivery system.

3946
02:22:28,559 --> 02:22:31,760
Yeah.

3947
02:22:30,159 --> 02:22:33,559
So, where you don't have to worry about

3948
02:22:31,760 --> 02:22:36,079
them detecting nuclear bombs headed

3949
02:22:33,559 --> 02:22:40,039
their way, you just instantaneously

3950
02:22:36,079 --> 02:22:42,079
devastate Moscow in one shot.

3951
02:22:40,040 --> 02:22:43,920
You don't have to take credit for it.

3952
02:22:42,079 --> 02:22:44,879
Yeah, but we'd

3953
02:22:43,920 --> 02:22:47,399
Right. [laughter]

3954
02:22:44,879 --> 02:22:49,399
No, it's like we are not ready. Right.

3955
02:22:47,399 --> 02:22:51,440
Yeah, and I know we're not ready, but

3956
02:22:49,399 --> 02:22:53,959
we'd be more advanced if we did that.

3957
02:22:51,440 --> 02:22:56,159
No, I I mean I I agree that I agree with

3958
02:22:53,959 --> 02:22:58,319
that. But um

3959
02:22:56,159 --> 02:23:00,119
It's all very strange and no one knows

3960
02:22:58,319 --> 02:23:02,159
more strange than you.

3961
02:23:00,120 --> 02:23:04,640
Uh like No, there are plenty of people

3962
02:23:02,159 --> 02:23:06,719
that know more strange than me. I mean,

3963
02:23:04,639 --> 02:23:09,519
Dennis knew more strange than me.

3964
02:23:06,719 --> 02:23:10,639
Anybody above him knew that. I just knew

3965
02:23:09,520 --> 02:23:12,680
a small part of it.

3966
02:23:10,639 --> 02:23:14,399
>> But you out of all the people that can

3967
02:23:12,680 --> 02:23:16,559
talk about it that are out there

3968
02:23:14,399 --> 02:23:18,159
communicating about it, you have

3969
02:23:16,559 --> 02:23:21,039
actually seen it physically.

3970
02:23:18,159 --> 02:23:23,440
>> Yeah, I I I try to only talk about what

3971
02:23:21,040 --> 02:23:25,920
I I've seen and touched and verified.

3972
02:23:23,440 --> 02:23:27,440
I've heard plenty of other stuff that I

3973
02:23:25,920 --> 02:23:29,440
don't know if it's true or not. And

3974
02:23:27,440 --> 02:23:31,520
there's no sense in repeating that.

3975
02:23:29,440 --> 02:23:32,280
Because nonsense moves at the speed of

3976
02:23:31,520 --> 02:23:35,319
light these days.

3977
02:23:32,280 --> 02:23:37,840
>> Right. Yeah. It does. And that's that's

3978
02:23:35,319 --> 02:23:40,959
just it's terrible. You live in a weird

3979
02:23:37,840 --> 02:23:42,639
existence, Bob. You really do. Because

3980
02:23:40,959 --> 02:23:45,239
you're you know, you've been holding on

3981
02:23:42,639 --> 02:23:48,519
to this. You have this experience from

3982
02:23:45,239 --> 02:23:50,280
40 years ago that's just

3983
02:23:48,520 --> 02:23:52,920
become a part of

3984
02:23:50,280 --> 02:23:55,680
folklore. It's become a part of the

3985
02:23:52,920 --> 02:23:57,360
zeitgeist. Like this is why your podcast

3986
02:23:55,680 --> 02:23:59,559
that we did is the most watched podcast

3987
02:23:57,360 --> 02:24:01,400
I've ever done. This resonates with

3988
02:23:59,559 --> 02:24:04,399
people in a way that Look, I've done a

3989
02:24:01,399 --> 02:24:05,600
lot of UFO ones. I had Travis Walton on.

3990
02:24:04,399 --> 02:24:07,239
I've had a lot of people that have

3991
02:24:05,600 --> 02:24:08,479
stories. They're all very interesting.

3992
02:24:07,239 --> 02:24:10,600
They don't get nearly the amount of

3993
02:24:08,479 --> 02:24:13,079
traction that yours does. And I think

3994
02:24:10,600 --> 02:24:14,920
it's because you're uniquely credible.

3995
02:24:13,079 --> 02:24:16,600
You're uniquely credible in the fact

3996
02:24:14,920 --> 02:24:18,960
that you are very skeptical. You're not

3997
02:24:16,600 --> 02:24:20,760
interested in like these fantastic

3998
02:24:18,959 --> 02:24:24,479
ideas. You're you're very dismissive of

3999
02:24:20,760 --> 02:24:26,920
nonsense. But yet you have this burden.

4000
02:24:24,479 --> 02:24:29,119
Like you actually

4001
02:24:26,920 --> 02:24:30,440
physically touched these things

4002
02:24:29,120 --> 02:24:32,040
and went inside of them.

4003
02:24:30,440 --> 02:24:34,440
>> I mean, I was fortunate enough to have

4004
02:24:32,040 --> 02:24:36,480
this really unique job. That that's

4005
02:24:34,440 --> 02:24:37,840
about it. And I am fascinated with the

4006
02:24:36,479 --> 02:24:39,879
technology.

4007
02:24:37,840 --> 02:24:41,639
But that's where it stops.

4008
02:24:39,879 --> 02:24:44,599
I'm not interested interested in anybody

4009
02:24:41,639 --> 02:24:47,680
else's story, although everybody has to

4010
02:24:44,600 --> 02:24:49,239
email me and you know, I I understand

4011
02:24:47,680 --> 02:24:51,120
it, you know, they're looking for

4012
02:24:49,239 --> 02:24:52,600
somebody Hey, I saw this thing out when

4013
02:24:51,120 --> 02:24:53,920
I was out on my boat and then you know,

4014
02:24:52,600 --> 02:24:55,880
what is it?

4015
02:24:53,920 --> 02:24:57,960
I don't know. You know, I mean, they're

4016
02:24:55,879 --> 02:24:59,439
[laughter] they're they're they're

4017
02:24:57,959 --> 02:25:01,079
they're just looking for something and

4018
02:24:59,440 --> 02:25:02,960
that's like I don't know, maybe it was

4019
02:25:01,079 --> 02:25:04,920
Venus or something and

4020
02:25:02,959 --> 02:25:05,959
Oh my god, you suck, you know, you work

4021
02:25:04,920 --> 02:25:08,159
for the government, you [laughter] know,

4022
02:25:05,959 --> 02:25:12,519
and it's like Dude, I'm just looking for

4023
02:25:08,159 --> 02:25:14,639
a prosaic explanation and and um

4024
02:25:12,520 --> 02:25:17,239
you know, but I only know what I saw and

4025
02:25:14,639 --> 02:25:19,119
I touched for myself. And everything

4026
02:25:17,239 --> 02:25:22,039
else, even in official government

4027
02:25:19,120 --> 02:25:23,800
documentation, it's just words on paper.

4028
02:25:22,040 --> 02:25:26,520
I don't know if that stuff is true. So,

4029
02:25:23,799 --> 02:25:29,479
you got to draw the line there. Yes. But

4030
02:25:26,520 --> 02:25:34,040
um you know, I know what I what I did

4031
02:25:29,479 --> 02:25:37,000
see, I know for a fact. And there is no

4032
02:25:34,040 --> 02:25:39,240
way you can tell me that that's not

4033
02:25:37,000 --> 02:25:43,600
real.

4034
02:25:39,239 --> 02:25:46,159
Yeah. I I mean, I I have to say in

4035
02:25:43,600 --> 02:25:48,520
having worked with him and having you

4036
02:25:46,159 --> 02:25:50,639
know, inadvertently, there's no way that

4037
02:25:48,520 --> 02:25:52,640
myself or people on my team weren't

4038
02:25:50,639 --> 02:25:53,879
trying to dig deeper and find Maybe

4039
02:25:52,639 --> 02:25:55,639
there's a prob- Maybe there's going to

4040
02:25:53,879 --> 02:25:58,039
be a gap. Maybe we'll find something

4041
02:25:55,639 --> 02:26:00,879
wrong with the story. Cuz we we went we

4042
02:25:58,040 --> 02:26:02,920
went very deep. We had to build S4. We

4043
02:26:00,879 --> 02:26:04,359
had to build the sport model.

4044
02:26:02,920 --> 02:26:07,040
And

4045
02:26:04,360 --> 02:26:09,360
there were things that happened over the

4046
02:26:07,040 --> 02:26:11,880
years, things that he had said to us

4047
02:26:09,360 --> 02:26:14,120
before we had built it that there's no

4048
02:26:11,879 --> 02:26:17,479
way he could have known because there

4049
02:26:14,120 --> 02:26:19,960
was physicality, real things that we

4050
02:26:17,479 --> 02:26:21,680
built. When you build something in a 3D

4051
02:26:19,959 --> 02:26:24,119
environment, you're actually building a

4052
02:26:21,680 --> 02:26:25,960
real world. It's got light bounce and

4053
02:26:24,120 --> 02:26:27,480
refractions like the real world. Like

4054
02:26:25,959 --> 02:26:30,359
when you turn on the light, it does the

4055
02:26:27,479 --> 02:26:32,000
same thing. If a material has a sheen,

4056
02:26:30,360 --> 02:26:33,760
you see it. It's literally the same

4057
02:26:32,000 --> 02:26:36,719
thing. It's just computing power that

4058
02:26:33,760 --> 02:26:39,600
gives you access to another world. And

4059
02:26:36,719 --> 02:26:41,599
he mentioned things that were absolutely

4060
02:26:39,600 --> 02:26:44,399
impossible to know.

4061
02:26:41,600 --> 02:26:46,079
Like what? One of the things that got

4062
02:26:44,399 --> 02:26:47,760
two things really

4063
02:26:46,079 --> 02:26:50,360
convinced me.

4064
02:26:47,760 --> 02:26:53,719
One of them was in the interior of the

4065
02:26:50,360 --> 02:26:55,200
craft. You had said to us it was very

4066
02:26:53,719 --> 02:26:58,719
dark in there.

4067
02:26:55,200 --> 02:27:00,520
And while Bob is explaining to us the

4068
02:26:58,719 --> 02:27:02,000
this interior of the craft and many time

4069
02:27:00,520 --> 02:27:03,880
he kept repeating it was really dark in

4070
02:27:02,000 --> 02:27:05,879
there.

4071
02:27:03,879 --> 02:27:07,319
And so, at a certain point he says, as

4072
02:27:05,879 --> 02:27:09,479
I'm crawling in, there's like these

4073
02:27:07,319 --> 02:27:12,399
extension cords. And I remember going,

4074
02:27:09,479 --> 02:27:14,319
extension cords? Like I it that hadn't

4075
02:27:12,399 --> 02:27:16,520
computed. And he's like, yeah, they had

4076
02:27:14,319 --> 02:27:19,520
lights in there. And I'm thinking, it's

4077
02:27:16,520 --> 02:27:22,120
true. I mean, there's no light switch

4078
02:27:19,520 --> 02:27:24,840
inside this big thing. It's 50 52 ft.

4079
02:27:22,120 --> 02:27:28,079
It's big. And so, he said, yeah, there

4080
02:27:24,840 --> 02:27:30,200
were two big industrial yellow

4081
02:27:28,079 --> 02:27:32,879
industrial lights with four spots each

4082
02:27:30,200 --> 02:27:35,440
pointed up. And so, we decided to make

4083
02:27:32,879 --> 02:27:37,159
those. We decided to research the type

4084
02:27:35,440 --> 02:27:38,960
that were used back then in the United

4085
02:27:37,159 --> 02:27:40,959
States, especially on military bases,

4086
02:27:38,959 --> 02:27:44,199
the halogen power cuz it was halogen in

4087
02:27:40,959 --> 02:27:45,039
1988. And we turned them on. And it was

4088
02:27:44,200 --> 02:27:48,320
still dark.

4089
02:27:45,040 --> 02:27:50,320
>> And it was super dark. And I remember

4090
02:27:48,319 --> 02:27:51,760
Christopher Mattel, by the way, a big

4091
02:27:50,319 --> 02:27:53,079
shout out to Christopher Mattel that's

4092
02:27:51,760 --> 02:27:55,000
on my team who made a lot of those

4093
02:27:53,079 --> 02:27:56,360
visuals and he's like a magician. He's

4094
02:27:55,000 --> 02:27:59,040
He's the best.

4095
02:27:56,360 --> 02:28:01,079
He He's there and I I said, Chris, turn

4096
02:27:59,040 --> 02:28:02,640
on the lights cuz we have to film in the

4097
02:28:01,079 --> 02:28:03,559
craft. And he's like, they're they're

4098
02:28:02,639 --> 02:28:05,760
on.

4099
02:28:03,559 --> 02:28:07,479
I said, they're not on. I can't

4100
02:28:05,760 --> 02:28:08,440
see anything. He's like, they're fully

4101
02:28:07,479 --> 02:28:10,079
on.

4102
02:28:08,440 --> 02:28:11,880
And I said, well, that that doesn't make

4103
02:28:10,079 --> 02:28:13,920
any sense. It's so dark in there. I

4104
02:28:11,879 --> 02:28:15,359
remember thinking,

4105
02:28:13,920 --> 02:28:18,600
>> light in there.

4106
02:28:15,360 --> 02:28:20,880
>> we upped the power of the light so that

4107
02:28:18,600 --> 02:28:23,239
you could see more. And it was still

4108
02:28:20,879 --> 02:28:25,279
dark. And I thought, what the hell is

4109
02:28:23,239 --> 02:28:27,239
happening? I goes, is there a bug? Is it

4110
02:28:25,280 --> 02:28:29,280
Is there something wrong? He goes, no, I

4111
02:28:27,239 --> 02:28:30,719
don't know. It's It's It's absorbing the

4112
02:28:29,280 --> 02:28:33,640
light in there.

4113
02:28:30,719 --> 02:28:36,599
We had to up the light intensity on

4114
02:28:33,639 --> 02:28:38,680
those tripods by 20-fold

4115
02:28:36,600 --> 02:28:40,319
in order for you to see the visuals you

4116
02:28:38,680 --> 02:28:42,479
see in our film.

4117
02:28:40,319 --> 02:28:43,000
Otherwise, it would be really dark in

4118
02:28:42,479 --> 02:28:45,439
that craft.

4119
02:28:43,000 --> 02:28:48,959
>> So, how did you compute that? Like what

4120
02:28:45,440 --> 02:28:51,239
what what parameters did you establish?

4121
02:28:48,959 --> 02:28:53,879
So, what you do is you're you're inside

4122
02:28:51,239 --> 02:28:55,520
a 3D environment. You're an actual a

4123
02:28:53,879 --> 02:28:58,559
three you're in a 3D world. Now, we're

4124
02:28:55,520 --> 02:29:01,239
inside the craft that is 52 ft in

4125
02:28:58,559 --> 02:29:03,559
diameter. It's we bring a camera in

4126
02:29:01,239 --> 02:29:06,799
there. So, we were filming the whole

4127
02:29:03,559 --> 02:29:09,199
film was was done with the Blackmagic 6K

4128
02:29:06,799 --> 02:29:10,879
cams. So, we would bring our Blackmagics

4129
02:29:09,200 --> 02:29:14,040
in the 3D environment. You can actually

4130
02:29:10,879 --> 02:29:16,359
set that so that we could film inside

4131
02:29:14,040 --> 02:29:17,880
the craft so matches the filming of of

4132
02:29:16,360 --> 02:29:20,480
our real cameras.

4133
02:29:17,879 --> 02:29:22,239
And so, the as soon as the camera's on,

4134
02:29:20,479 --> 02:29:24,520
it's the same lens, it's the same

4135
02:29:22,239 --> 02:29:26,680
aperture, everything is as you would

4136
02:29:24,520 --> 02:29:28,560
have it. And so, you're trying to adjust

4137
02:29:26,680 --> 02:29:31,520
for this dark room.

4138
02:29:28,559 --> 02:29:33,479
But if the room is really dark, you

4139
02:29:31,520 --> 02:29:35,399
can't really get a good look at it cuz

4140
02:29:33,479 --> 02:29:37,799
if you go close enough, you would have

4141
02:29:35,399 --> 02:29:39,319
seen like a seat and a little bit of the

4142
02:29:37,799 --> 02:29:40,719
reactor, but you would have been like,

4143
02:29:39,319 --> 02:29:40,959
"What's the black screen I'm looking

4144
02:29:40,719 --> 02:29:42,279
at?"

4145
02:29:40,959 --> 02:29:44,079
>> So, what is the explanation for why it's

4146
02:29:42,280 --> 02:29:46,040
so dark? It's just the way the light

4147
02:29:44,079 --> 02:29:48,479
reflects on the And that is exactly

4148
02:29:46,040 --> 02:29:49,160
Yeah, it's when you're in that space,

4149
02:29:48,479 --> 02:29:50,799
exactly

4150
02:29:49,159 --> 02:29:52,559
>> here's the question. Like, what what are

4151
02:29:50,799 --> 02:29:55,679
you when you're making this in a

4152
02:29:52,559 --> 02:29:58,680
computer model? Right? What are you

4153
02:29:55,680 --> 02:29:59,440
putting in that would make it absorb

4154
02:29:58,680 --> 02:30:01,840
light that way?

4155
02:29:59,440 --> 02:30:05,920
>> I didn't do that. So, what we did is

4156
02:30:01,840 --> 02:30:07,520
we spent over a year with Bob. I I'm not

4157
02:30:05,920 --> 02:30:10,159
I'm not kidding. It was like a year of

4158
02:30:07,520 --> 02:30:13,000
trying to figure out the material of the

4159
02:30:10,159 --> 02:30:15,000
craft, the the actual skin of the craft.

4160
02:30:13,000 --> 02:30:16,920
That was the hardest thing to do in

4161
02:30:15,000 --> 02:30:19,280
>> clarity and the reflectivity of the

4162
02:30:16,920 --> 02:30:20,920
actual material.

4163
02:30:19,280 --> 02:30:23,159
Yeah. And then when the lights are in

4164
02:30:20,920 --> 02:30:26,079
there, they just reflect at a weird

4165
02:30:23,159 --> 02:30:27,639
angle, and it never gets bright in there

4166
02:30:26,079 --> 02:30:29,440
unless you have

4167
02:30:27,639 --> 02:30:30,920
tremendous amounts of light in there.

4168
02:30:29,440 --> 02:30:33,600
It's always dark.

4169
02:30:30,920 --> 02:30:35,399
>> And and sorry to interrupt, but that

4170
02:30:33,600 --> 02:30:37,479
would have been So, when when that

4171
02:30:35,399 --> 02:30:39,039
happened and we have the right material,

4172
02:30:37,479 --> 02:30:41,600
which is like this let's call it

4173
02:30:39,040 --> 02:30:43,640
unpolished stainless steel. It's got a

4174
02:30:41,600 --> 02:30:45,319
little bit of usage to it just to give

4175
02:30:43,639 --> 02:30:47,719
it some texture.

4176
02:30:45,319 --> 02:30:49,520
It's It's as It's got the same sheen,

4177
02:30:47,719 --> 02:30:51,399
reflection, refractions of a real

4178
02:30:49,520 --> 02:30:52,960
material like that cuz every time we put

4179
02:30:51,399 --> 02:30:54,719
a fake light in there, okay, it's

4180
02:30:52,959 --> 02:30:56,439
reacting like that.

4181
02:30:54,719 --> 02:30:59,439
And now you turn these big halogen

4182
02:30:56,440 --> 02:31:01,399
lights on and it's like the part of

4183
02:30:59,440 --> 02:31:02,640
where the halogen is hitting the ceiling

4184
02:31:01,399 --> 02:31:05,039
of the craft cuz they were turned

4185
02:31:02,639 --> 02:31:07,199
upwards. Remember you Bob said they were

4186
02:31:05,040 --> 02:31:08,880
not pointed like this. They were pointed

4187
02:31:07,200 --> 02:31:10,079
to the ceiling of the craft. So, you got

4188
02:31:08,879 --> 02:31:12,759
two of them.

4189
02:31:10,079 --> 02:31:15,840
It's like wherever the light was going

4190
02:31:12,760 --> 02:31:18,960
was getting eaten up by that portion of

4191
02:31:15,840 --> 02:31:21,319
the material. So, it's not reflecting

4192
02:31:18,959 --> 02:31:24,959
all the way. So, you have a 52-ft

4193
02:31:21,319 --> 02:31:28,719
distance and it's being lost in a maybe

4194
02:31:24,959 --> 02:31:30,679
7-8 ft diameter environment area where

4195
02:31:28,719 --> 02:31:34,000
the light is. And we're like, "Why is

4196
02:31:30,680 --> 02:31:36,840
that happening?" But that's how it What

4197
02:31:34,000 --> 02:31:40,000
that's the reality. He could not have

4198
02:31:36,840 --> 02:31:42,000
known that if he if he's trying to make

4199
02:31:40,000 --> 02:31:45,079
that up.

4200
02:31:42,000 --> 02:31:47,959
Anybody who's inventing a story says

4201
02:31:45,079 --> 02:31:50,600
there's two industrial light

4202
02:31:47,959 --> 02:31:51,799
with four hal- bright halogen spots in

4203
02:31:50,600 --> 02:31:54,440
there.

4204
02:31:51,799 --> 02:31:55,559
A liar would not say it was really dark

4205
02:31:54,440 --> 02:31:58,159
in there.

4206
02:31:55,559 --> 02:32:00,600
You don't know that. You have to build

4207
02:31:58,159 --> 02:32:03,840
it. Right. So, to me that was a

4208
02:32:00,600 --> 02:32:06,399
physicality of being inside the craft

4209
02:32:03,840 --> 02:32:09,280
that made me go, "Lazar could not have

4210
02:32:06,399 --> 02:32:10,600
known that if he was making that up."

4211
02:32:09,280 --> 02:32:12,760
>> know it until you experienced it.

4212
02:32:10,600 --> 02:32:16,840
>> Exactly. Right. So, I'm like, "Unless

4213
02:32:12,760 --> 02:32:20,319
Bob back then decided to go and in his

4214
02:32:16,840 --> 02:32:22,799
garage build himself a fake dome, which

4215
02:32:20,319 --> 02:32:24,520
I don't think you did." I'm like, "How

4216
02:32:22,799 --> 02:32:26,679
would he have known that?" We didn't

4217
02:32:24,520 --> 02:32:28,520
expect that. We were we were struggling

4218
02:32:26,680 --> 02:32:30,159
with, "Why is it so dark in there?"

4219
02:32:28,520 --> 02:32:30,920
>> And you make films, so you're used to

4220
02:32:30,159 --> 02:32:33,159
using lighting and

4221
02:32:30,920 --> 02:32:35,879
>> Exactly. And and Chris was like, "Dude,

4222
02:32:33,159 --> 02:32:38,840
this thing is just eating up the light."

4223
02:32:35,879 --> 02:32:42,079
And I'm like, "Bob kept saying it's so

4224
02:32:38,840 --> 02:32:44,559
dark in there." And it just How How do

4225
02:32:42,079 --> 02:32:47,000
you How do you How is that possible?

4226
02:32:44,559 --> 02:32:48,439
>> the other things? The other one

4227
02:32:47,000 --> 02:32:50,319
I laugh about this with Bob all the

4228
02:32:48,440 --> 02:32:52,000
time. It's about the flag

4229
02:32:50,319 --> 02:32:52,479
on the craft that you could have seen

4230
02:32:52,000 --> 02:32:53,079
it.

4231
02:32:52,479 --> 02:32:55,639
>> remember.

4232
02:32:53,079 --> 02:32:57,280
>> So, when he walked into the hangar the

4233
02:32:55,639 --> 02:33:00,479
very first time,

4234
02:32:57,280 --> 02:33:01,000
he saw the very first time

4235
02:33:00,479 --> 02:33:03,159
>> flag.

4236
02:33:01,000 --> 02:33:05,639
>> he saw the craft and he saw the American

4237
02:33:03,159 --> 02:33:06,559
the reversed American flag sticker on

4238
02:33:05,639 --> 02:33:08,959
the craft.

4239
02:33:06,559 --> 02:33:11,439
>> why it was reversed. I I'll get to that

4240
02:33:08,959 --> 02:33:12,759
in a sec. I think I know, but

4241
02:33:11,440 --> 02:33:14,920
whatever. I'll I'll I'll say what I

4242
02:33:12,760 --> 02:33:16,600
think. And

4243
02:33:14,920 --> 02:33:18,319
there's a lot of stuff I researched a

4244
02:33:16,600 --> 02:33:19,479
lot of stuff on Bob Lazar before I did

4245
02:33:18,319 --> 02:33:21,239
this, and there's a lot of bad

4246
02:33:19,479 --> 02:33:23,879
information out there.

4247
02:33:21,239 --> 02:33:25,319
So, I I really I I really tell people if

4248
02:33:23,879 --> 02:33:27,039
you really want to see what he saw,

4249
02:33:25,319 --> 02:33:28,879
don't go read what's out there. Check

4250
02:33:27,040 --> 02:33:30,920
this out cuz Bob actually vetted

4251
02:33:28,879 --> 02:33:32,799
everything, so it's not the wrong

4252
02:33:30,920 --> 02:33:35,120
information read. But anyway, there's a

4253
02:33:32,799 --> 02:33:37,039
lot of detractors saying there's no way

4254
02:33:35,120 --> 02:33:39,079
Lazar could have seen that flag. If the

4255
02:33:37,040 --> 02:33:41,520
craft was that size and it was on the

4256
02:33:39,079 --> 02:33:43,959
hall on the on the craft shell, there's

4257
02:33:41,520 --> 02:33:45,880
no way the angle he's 5 something, he

4258
02:33:43,959 --> 02:33:48,599
wouldn't have been able to see it. So,

4259
02:33:45,879 --> 02:33:51,000
we built it. We built a 52-ft diameter

4260
02:33:48,600 --> 02:33:54,079
craft. We put it in the hangar. It's

4261
02:33:51,000 --> 02:33:56,360
there. And my my team, Chris, gives me

4262
02:33:54,079 --> 02:33:58,319
the goggles, the ones I made you try on.

4263
02:33:56,360 --> 02:34:01,120
And it's the very first time I go in

4264
02:33:58,319 --> 02:34:03,879
there. And I know the craft is there.

4265
02:34:01,120 --> 02:34:05,640
So, I put them on. And now they're

4266
02:34:03,879 --> 02:34:07,199
they're hoping cuz they're there with

4267
02:34:05,639 --> 02:34:08,760
with notes. They're hoping I'm giving

4268
02:34:07,200 --> 02:34:10,680
them all the notes of, "No, that's not

4269
02:34:08,760 --> 02:34:12,760
good. That's not good." And the first

4270
02:34:10,680 --> 02:34:14,680
thing I did is I looked to my right. I'm

4271
02:34:12,760 --> 02:34:17,719
looking at the craft.

4272
02:34:14,680 --> 02:34:20,159
And I'm I asked uh Chris to put me at 5

4273
02:34:17,719 --> 02:34:22,079
ft 10, which is your height. So, I said,

4274
02:34:20,159 --> 02:34:23,959
"At 5 10, I'm Bob's height with the

4275
02:34:22,079 --> 02:34:25,920
goggles. I want to see."

4276
02:34:23,959 --> 02:34:27,119
And the first thing I said is, "Oh, it's

4277
02:34:25,920 --> 02:34:28,680
There it is."

4278
02:34:27,120 --> 02:34:31,760
And they're like,

4279
02:34:28,680 --> 02:34:33,520
"There what is?" I said, "The flag." And

4280
02:34:31,760 --> 02:34:35,399
they thought I was pointing at a flag on

4281
02:34:33,520 --> 02:34:37,399
a wall. And they're like, "There's no

4282
02:34:35,399 --> 02:34:39,920
flag in the hangar." I said, "No, on the

4283
02:34:37,399 --> 02:34:42,840
craft." And they're like, "Yeah?"

4284
02:34:39,920 --> 02:34:45,639
I said, "You can clearly see it."

4285
02:34:42,840 --> 02:34:48,159
It was clear. That was something that

4286
02:34:45,639 --> 02:34:51,319
also made me go, "Yeah, this is this is

4287
02:34:48,159 --> 02:34:54,840
it. This is the real size." So,

4288
02:34:51,319 --> 02:34:57,239
had Bob Lazar not actually seen that,

4289
02:34:54,840 --> 02:34:59,399
the majority of the the detractors out

4290
02:34:57,239 --> 02:35:02,440
there kept saying there's no way at that

4291
02:34:59,399 --> 02:35:05,039
angle a human eye could see a sticker on

4292
02:35:02,440 --> 02:35:05,840
the top of the craft, which is on the

4293
02:35:05,040 --> 02:35:06,760
top shelf.

4294
02:35:05,840 --> 02:35:09,760
>> Mhm.

4295
02:35:06,760 --> 02:35:11,760
But you can. It's as clear as day. So,

4296
02:35:09,760 --> 02:35:15,040
those were two things that I considered

4297
02:35:11,760 --> 02:35:18,520
to be like, you know,

4298
02:35:15,040 --> 02:35:21,040
it's there. So, I know to may- maybe

4299
02:35:18,520 --> 02:35:23,319
some people that's not a lot, but as a

4300
02:35:21,040 --> 02:35:24,920
person like I am who's very technical,

4301
02:35:23,319 --> 02:35:27,319
I'm very

4302
02:35:24,920 --> 02:35:29,440
I'm super difficult. It took a long time

4303
02:35:27,319 --> 02:35:31,639
to do this cuz I'm a perfectionist, and

4304
02:35:29,440 --> 02:35:33,200
I wanted to make sure it was accurate to

4305
02:35:31,639 --> 02:35:36,159
what he saw.

4306
02:35:33,200 --> 02:35:39,240
I look at stuff like that because I

4307
02:35:36,159 --> 02:35:42,039
analyze everything like that.

4308
02:35:39,239 --> 02:35:43,399
And I I analyzed his story inside out.

4309
02:35:42,040 --> 02:35:44,960
>> you couldn't see the flag from that

4310
02:35:43,399 --> 02:35:47,119
position, it would it would be a red

4311
02:35:44,959 --> 02:35:48,319
flag. Yeah, that would have been a red

4312
02:35:47,120 --> 02:35:50,880
flag for me. I would have been like,

4313
02:35:48,319 --> 02:35:53,920
"Wait, you can't see it." But you can.

4314
02:35:50,879 --> 02:35:56,439
So, you can't you can't put

4315
02:35:53,920 --> 02:35:57,319
enough of a value on little details like

4316
02:35:56,440 --> 02:35:59,960
that

4317
02:35:57,319 --> 02:36:03,879
because he didn't say this in 2026. He

4318
02:35:59,959 --> 02:36:04,759
said this in 1989. Right.

4319
02:36:03,879 --> 02:36:07,039
Why?

4320
02:36:04,760 --> 02:36:11,960
>> Why do you think the flag was reversed?

4321
02:36:07,040 --> 02:36:14,240
In American uh flag use law, the the the

4322
02:36:11,959 --> 02:36:17,279
the only thing we were able to

4323
02:36:14,239 --> 02:36:19,920
ascertain is the fact that on military

4324
02:36:17,280 --> 02:36:21,760
or on vehicles, anything military on a

4325
02:36:19,920 --> 02:36:24,360
on a uniform, if ever you see an

4326
02:36:21,760 --> 02:36:26,960
American flag on your right shoulder,

4327
02:36:24,360 --> 02:36:29,640
it's reversed because it's how the wind

4328
02:36:26,959 --> 02:36:31,639
is blowing the flag. On your left side,

4329
02:36:29,639 --> 02:36:33,462
it's like the flag is because the wind

4330
02:36:31,639 --> 02:36:35,079
is blowing this way. If you look at

4331
02:36:33,462 --> 02:36:37,639
[clears throat] vehicles, uh let's say a

4332
02:36:35,079 --> 02:36:40,280
Greyhound bus, they have American flags

4333
02:36:37,639 --> 02:36:42,680
on each side, and they have a normal one

4334
02:36:40,280 --> 02:36:44,680
on the left one on the left side and a

4335
02:36:42,680 --> 02:36:46,800
reversed on the right side because it's

4336
02:36:44,680 --> 02:36:48,920
the right side of the vehicle. So, it's

4337
02:36:46,799 --> 02:36:51,359
a blowing it's blowing in the flag

4338
02:36:48,920 --> 02:36:55,399
>> the flag that way. So, the reversed

4339
02:36:51,360 --> 02:36:56,239
American flag is a is a is a actual

4340
02:36:55,399 --> 02:36:58,639
uh

4341
02:36:56,239 --> 02:37:00,719
it's the law of how to use the flag in

4342
02:36:58,639 --> 02:37:03,199
the United States military or on

4343
02:37:00,719 --> 02:37:07,119
vehicles. And it has to be like that on

4344
02:37:03,200 --> 02:37:09,760
the right side. So, to to say, "Is that

4345
02:37:07,120 --> 02:37:10,600
the right side of the craft?" Yeah, it

4346
02:37:09,760 --> 02:37:13,600
must be.

4347
02:37:10,600 --> 02:37:15,559
>> be because if you go into the craft, the

4348
02:37:13,600 --> 02:37:17,399
seats when you're when you go into the

4349
02:37:15,559 --> 02:37:18,559
craft I I can't wait for you to go in

4350
02:37:17,399 --> 02:37:21,479
the craft.

4351
02:37:18,559 --> 02:37:23,959
When you go inside, the seats are facing

4352
02:37:21,479 --> 02:37:26,359
the right side, meaning

4353
02:37:23,959 --> 02:37:29,399
the hatch is the right side of the

4354
02:37:26,360 --> 02:37:32,040
craft. It's the only thing that came to

4355
02:37:29,399 --> 02:37:35,279
mind. I mean, is that what the they did

4356
02:37:32,040 --> 02:37:37,960
at S4? They put a sticker on it?

4357
02:37:35,280 --> 02:37:40,040
I mean, it's the only logical thing we

4358
02:37:37,959 --> 02:37:43,399
could think of is that's why it was

4359
02:37:40,040 --> 02:37:45,560
there. Mhm. I don't know. I'm

4360
02:37:43,399 --> 02:37:48,119
you know, my other my other because if

4361
02:37:45,559 --> 02:37:51,719
it was an American fla- if it was just

4362
02:37:48,120 --> 02:37:55,240
for identifying this is America,

4363
02:37:51,719 --> 02:37:57,279
why would you reverse it? Right. Right?

4364
02:37:55,239 --> 02:37:58,760
You're reversing it because it's

4365
02:37:57,280 --> 02:38:01,880
indicating the direction which it

4366
02:37:58,760 --> 02:38:03,079
travels. Exactly. Wow.

4367
02:38:01,879 --> 02:38:04,559
That's just an interesting

4368
02:38:03,079 --> 02:38:06,559
>> Yeah. Right?

4369
02:38:04,559 --> 02:38:11,159
It's all interesting. The The goggles is

4370
02:38:06,559 --> 02:38:13,519
a trip. When I put on the 3D AR goggles

4371
02:38:11,159 --> 02:38:15,600
and you you VR goggles rather and you

4372
02:38:13,520 --> 02:38:18,120
you stand in that

4373
02:38:15,600 --> 02:38:20,920
warehouse, that hangar, and look at it,

4374
02:38:18,120 --> 02:38:23,280
it's very strange. It feels weird.

4375
02:38:20,920 --> 02:38:25,000
>> like it was. It feels very weird. It

4376
02:38:23,280 --> 02:38:27,040
feels very weird cuz I I mean, I'm only

4377
02:38:25,000 --> 02:38:30,079
imagining what it's like to actually be

4378
02:38:27,040 --> 02:38:31,960
you in 1988 and be standing there. When

4379
02:38:30,079 --> 02:38:34,520
you put the goggles on, that's exactly

4380
02:38:31,959 --> 02:38:36,359
how it was. What did What did Dennis say

4381
02:38:34,520 --> 02:38:37,040
when you first saw it? Was like, "Huh?

4382
02:38:36,360 --> 02:38:38,560
Huh?"

4383
02:38:37,040 --> 02:38:40,920
Like, [laughter] "Come on."

4384
02:38:38,559 --> 02:38:43,719
Dennis Dennis was hardcore. Yeah.

4385
02:38:40,920 --> 02:38:46,159
>> He was Yeah, he was here. Look at that.

4386
02:38:43,719 --> 02:38:48,479
You know, come back in here. I mean it

4387
02:38:46,159 --> 02:38:50,879
There was no reaction. Barry on the

4388
02:38:48,479 --> 02:38:52,799
other hand was out of his mind. He he

4389
02:38:50,879 --> 02:38:54,319
couldn't wait to show me stuff and you

4390
02:38:52,799 --> 02:38:56,119
know, he said, "Check this out. Oh my

4391
02:38:54,319 --> 02:38:58,639
god, that was that awesome." You know,

4392
02:38:56,120 --> 02:39:00,840
but Dennis was uh

4393
02:38:58,639 --> 02:39:03,840
It was like a hardcore

4394
02:39:00,840 --> 02:39:05,760
you know, military guy.

4395
02:39:03,840 --> 02:39:07,440
How much of a view did you get of the

4396
02:39:05,760 --> 02:39:10,159
other crafts? Cuz it's one of the things

4397
02:39:07,440 --> 02:39:12,159
in the film, you only see like hints of

4398
02:39:10,159 --> 02:39:13,680
them. That was it. That's it. That's it.

4399
02:39:12,159 --> 02:39:15,920
What you saw on the film was exactly

4400
02:39:13,680 --> 02:39:18,600
what it was. It was just a passing thing

4401
02:39:15,920 --> 02:39:21,879
and as I was walking out there going,

4402
02:39:18,600 --> 02:39:24,440
"Wow, there's more. Everything looks

4403
02:39:21,879 --> 02:39:26,839
different." And

4404
02:39:24,440 --> 02:39:28,520
other than the the first two hangars, I

4405
02:39:26,840 --> 02:39:30,239
really couldn't tell what was past out

4406
02:39:28,520 --> 02:39:33,239
there, but there were other hangars and

4407
02:39:30,239 --> 02:39:35,479
there were things inside them. But It's

4408
02:39:33,239 --> 02:39:38,399
also interesting that at the time in

4409
02:39:35,479 --> 02:39:40,719
1988, this site was not even confirmed.

4410
02:39:38,399 --> 02:39:42,719
This was like for you to have to know

4411
02:39:40,719 --> 02:39:45,559
about this and know the exact location

4412
02:39:42,719 --> 02:39:47,319
of it is kind of strange. Right. Now,

4413
02:39:45,559 --> 02:39:49,600
Luigi did that. I mean, I gave him the

4414
02:39:47,319 --> 02:39:51,680
general idea. I said

4415
02:39:49,600 --> 02:39:53,520
you know, I know

4416
02:39:51,680 --> 02:39:56,079
what time I got out there and I could

4417
02:39:53,520 --> 02:39:56,440
see Papoose Lake and behind me

4418
02:39:56,079 --> 02:39:57,799
the hill.

4419
02:39:56,440 --> 02:39:59,960
>> He pulled he pulled up a lot of stuff

4420
02:39:57,799 --> 02:40:02,039
from there. But another interesting

4421
02:39:59,959 --> 02:40:04,959
thing he pulled up was

4422
02:40:02,040 --> 02:40:06,240
there was an old silver mine exactly

4423
02:40:04,959 --> 02:40:08,319
there.

4424
02:40:06,239 --> 02:40:11,239
In the exact same place and I wonder if

4425
02:40:08,319 --> 02:40:13,600
they used that as the it was already

4426
02:40:11,239 --> 02:40:15,399
drilled. There was already, you know,

4427
02:40:13,600 --> 02:40:17,399
corridors in there.

4428
02:40:15,399 --> 02:40:19,399
>> I actually held this

4429
02:40:17,399 --> 02:40:21,000
for this show. What I'm about to say is

4430
02:40:19,399 --> 02:40:23,000
the first time ever. It's not even It

4431
02:40:21,000 --> 02:40:25,719
didn't make it in my film. I wish it

4432
02:40:23,000 --> 02:40:28,559
did, but it didn't make it in the film.

4433
02:40:25,719 --> 02:40:30,879
Veronica at on our team, she's my

4434
02:40:28,559 --> 02:40:31,959
sister. She's like my right hand and I

4435
02:40:30,879 --> 02:40:33,239
didn't If I didn't have her, I wouldn't

4436
02:40:31,959 --> 02:40:35,079
be here right now.

4437
02:40:33,239 --> 02:40:37,239
She found this

4438
02:40:35,079 --> 02:40:40,159
and at a certain point we were looking

4439
02:40:37,239 --> 02:40:42,479
at the maps out there and we we You'll

4440
02:40:40,159 --> 02:40:44,600
see in my film that Gene Huff sent us

4441
02:40:42,479 --> 02:40:47,079
some US Department of the Interior

4442
02:40:44,600 --> 02:40:49,479
official maps of that environment at the

4443
02:40:47,079 --> 02:40:51,200
Groom Groom Lake Papoose Lake.

4444
02:40:49,479 --> 02:40:52,719
But we weren't satisfied. We wanted to

4445
02:40:51,200 --> 02:40:55,760
go deeper. We said there's got to be

4446
02:40:52,719 --> 02:40:56,879
more and there's one map

4447
02:40:55,760 --> 02:41:00,159
in

4448
02:40:56,879 --> 02:41:02,799
that is a publicly available map. It's

4449
02:41:00,159 --> 02:41:04,399
super not easy to find, by the way,

4450
02:41:02,799 --> 02:41:07,719
that is in the hands of the US

4451
02:41:04,399 --> 02:41:09,399
Department of the Interior.

4452
02:41:07,719 --> 02:41:10,760
I could get it to you if you want. I can

4453
02:41:09,399 --> 02:41:13,760
email it to you.

4454
02:41:10,760 --> 02:41:15,800
That map is the oldest map of Papoose

4455
02:41:13,760 --> 02:41:17,600
Lake known in the hands of the

4456
02:41:15,799 --> 02:41:18,920
government that is that is public

4457
02:41:17,600 --> 02:41:21,040
domain.

4458
02:41:18,920 --> 02:41:22,879
That map and everybody's going to be

4459
02:41:21,040 --> 02:41:27,840
listening to this

4460
02:41:22,879 --> 02:41:30,719
clearly shows a road that goes right

4461
02:41:27,840 --> 02:41:31,799
into where S4 was.

4462
02:41:30,719 --> 02:41:34,879
is.

4463
02:41:31,799 --> 02:41:38,920
It doesn't show a road near it. It shows

4464
02:41:34,879 --> 02:41:41,599
a road going right in the mountain.

4465
02:41:38,920 --> 02:41:44,159
And they removed it. That map is from

4466
02:41:41,600 --> 02:41:48,239
1941.

4467
02:41:44,159 --> 02:41:52,119
Okay? Right after that, the map is 1950

4468
02:41:48,239 --> 02:41:54,840
and 1952 and those roads were removed.

4469
02:41:52,120 --> 02:41:56,840
But the the late the oldest map we ever

4470
02:41:54,840 --> 02:41:58,479
found, it's going to be available.

4471
02:41:56,840 --> 02:42:00,399
We're going to post it on our website.

4472
02:41:58,479 --> 02:42:01,879
It's going to be everywhere.

4473
02:42:00,399 --> 02:42:05,079
It shows

4474
02:42:01,879 --> 02:42:07,519
clear as day a road that goes right into

4475
02:42:05,079 --> 02:42:10,399
the mountain exactly where Bob Lazar

4476
02:42:07,520 --> 02:42:12,280
said S4 was. So, do you think that was

4477
02:42:10,399 --> 02:42:14,239
the road to the silver mine initially?

4478
02:42:12,280 --> 02:42:15,680
>> Yes, I believe that yeah. I believe It

4479
02:42:14,239 --> 02:42:17,760
makes sense that they would use an

4480
02:42:15,680 --> 02:42:19,600
existing facility and just enlarge it

4481
02:42:17,760 --> 02:42:21,280
instead of start from nothing. Right, of

4482
02:42:19,600 --> 02:42:22,800
course. Especially if it's abandoned.

4483
02:42:21,280 --> 02:42:25,480
Yeah. Yeah.

4484
02:42:22,799 --> 02:42:28,319
And it also makes sense that if Roswell

4485
02:42:25,479 --> 02:42:31,159
was real and if they really did

4486
02:42:28,319 --> 02:42:33,279
find a crashed UFO in 1947

4487
02:42:31,159 --> 02:42:35,319
like in the 1950s they'd be like, "Let's

4488
02:42:33,280 --> 02:42:35,840
get rid of this road."

4489
02:42:35,319 --> 02:42:37,239
Right?

4490
02:42:35,840 --> 02:42:39,280
>> Yeah, if we're putting this out there,

4491
02:42:37,239 --> 02:42:41,119
if we're building this facility out

4492
02:42:39,280 --> 02:42:42,440
there. And if they did have it, that

4493
02:42:41,120 --> 02:42:44,200
also makes sense that they worked on

4494
02:42:42,440 --> 02:42:46,399
this for decades. You come along in

4495
02:42:44,200 --> 02:42:49,720
1988, they've got this happening in the

4496
02:42:46,399 --> 02:42:52,039
1950s and it's still there. Yeah.

4497
02:42:49,719 --> 02:42:54,439
Yeah. I think what happened is when the

4498
02:42:52,040 --> 02:42:57,920
CIA took over cuz CIA is the one took

4499
02:42:54,440 --> 02:42:59,640
over area They're the ones that Area 51.

4500
02:42:57,920 --> 02:43:02,040
I think what happened is as they took

4501
02:42:59,639 --> 02:43:04,680
over, they just removed the the road.

4502
02:43:02,040 --> 02:43:06,720
It wasn't even because there was a UF

4503
02:43:04,680 --> 02:43:09,159
a flying saucer there. I I just think

4504
02:43:06,719 --> 02:43:12,199
they got in there, took control of that

4505
02:43:09,159 --> 02:43:14,360
terrain, that whole landscape and said

4506
02:43:12,200 --> 02:43:16,480
"Remove it off the maps." Because it's

4507
02:43:14,360 --> 02:43:18,200
there prior to them taking ownership of

4508
02:43:16,479 --> 02:43:20,000
that land.

4509
02:43:18,200 --> 02:43:23,159
So, I mean

4510
02:43:20,000 --> 02:43:25,360
it's clear that there was a road there

4511
02:43:23,159 --> 02:43:28,600
and then they came in, CIA said take it

4512
02:43:25,360 --> 02:43:30,400
out and S4 might have had already an

4513
02:43:28,600 --> 02:43:32,399
installat Not it wasn't an installation,

4514
02:43:30,399 --> 02:43:34,359
but they probably had a a tunnel in

4515
02:43:32,399 --> 02:43:35,319
there already because they were it was a

4516
02:43:34,360 --> 02:43:37,480
mine.

4517
02:43:35,319 --> 02:43:39,399
So, it was an easier way to build a big

4518
02:43:37,479 --> 02:43:41,239
facility in the in the side of the hill.

4519
02:43:39,399 --> 02:43:42,600
Makes sense. It does make sense. And

4520
02:43:41,239 --> 02:43:45,680
then there's also the images that you

4521
02:43:42,600 --> 02:43:48,280
got of what looks like the hangar bay

4522
02:43:45,680 --> 02:43:50,840
doors that are camouflaged. And I have

4523
02:43:48,280 --> 02:43:53,520
to say that Got to go again? Yeah.

4524
02:43:50,840 --> 02:43:54,938
Sorry. No worries. I'm That's all good.

4525
02:43:53,520 --> 02:43:56,800
That

4526
02:43:54,938 --> 02:43:59,520
>> [laughter]

4527
02:43:56,799 --> 02:44:01,487
>> Technology will fix that.

4528
02:43:59,520 --> 02:44:01,640
It'll remove your prostate.

4529
02:44:01,487 --> 02:44:03,559
>> [laughter]

4530
02:44:01,639 --> 02:44:06,079
>> Turn you into a alien.

4531
02:44:03,559 --> 02:44:09,559
Um so, though the that image that you

4532
02:44:06,079 --> 02:44:13,399
got um of the unfortunately it's kind of

4533
02:44:09,559 --> 02:44:15,600
blurry, but it you do see something that

4534
02:44:13,399 --> 02:44:18,359
looks very similar to what you'd expect

4535
02:44:15,600 --> 02:44:21,239
to be camouflage garage bay doors. I got

4536
02:44:18,360 --> 02:44:24,040
contacted by a guy called Scott

4537
02:44:21,239 --> 02:44:26,479
Mitchell. And I was getting contacted by

4538
02:44:24,040 --> 02:44:28,560
everybody, Joe. Everybody everybody was

4539
02:44:26,479 --> 02:44:30,559
trying to get in in find getting to make

4540
02:44:28,559 --> 02:44:34,279
me work with them or use something they

4541
02:44:30,559 --> 02:44:36,399
found. So, I was I was ignoring 95 99%

4542
02:44:34,280 --> 02:44:37,640
of people's like It's getting tiring.

4543
02:44:36,399 --> 02:44:39,279
Everybody's like, "You got to listen to

4544
02:44:37,639 --> 02:44:41,559
me. I know stuff about that." I'm like,

4545
02:44:39,280 --> 02:44:43,400
"Whatever. I'm working with Bob Lazar. I

4546
02:44:41,559 --> 02:44:46,479
I have enough right now."

4547
02:44:43,399 --> 02:44:48,159
But this guy we had built the base.

4548
02:44:46,479 --> 02:44:50,879
And I knew exactly where it was. I knew

4549
02:44:48,159 --> 02:44:53,200
exactly the layout. And this guy he not

4550
02:44:50,879 --> 02:44:55,879
only contacted me, but he sent me an

4551
02:44:53,200 --> 02:44:57,440
image that he had that he had drawn. He

4552
02:44:55,879 --> 02:44:59,279
didn't want to send me the real what he

4553
02:44:57,440 --> 02:45:00,760
had found, but he says, "Here it is.

4554
02:44:59,280 --> 02:45:03,680
This is where the doors are and this is

4555
02:45:00,760 --> 02:45:06,239
exactly where they they point to."

4556
02:45:03,680 --> 02:45:08,800
I looked at the image and I said

4557
02:45:06,239 --> 02:45:11,760
"Not bad." I mean, he really nailed it

4558
02:45:08,799 --> 02:45:14,000
in the image and I thought "Okay." I I I

4559
02:45:11,760 --> 02:45:16,239
at first I thought somebody on my team

4560
02:45:14,000 --> 02:45:18,600
leaked something we had. To be honest,

4561
02:45:16,239 --> 02:45:21,239
I'm like, "Ah, who did that? Who sent

4562
02:45:18,600 --> 02:45:22,360
out one of our renders to somebody?" And

4563
02:45:21,239 --> 02:45:25,239
cuz that's what I thought. And they're

4564
02:45:22,360 --> 02:45:25,800
like, "No, no, no. This is what?" So, I

4565
02:45:25,239 --> 02:45:26,799
I

4566
02:45:25,799 --> 02:45:29,239
I

4567
02:45:26,799 --> 02:45:31,920
talked to this guy and

4568
02:45:29,239 --> 02:45:34,199
he's a he's really really good at

4569
02:45:31,920 --> 02:45:36,840
researching and he ended up becoming

4570
02:45:34,200 --> 02:45:38,159
probably one of the best I've ever like

4571
02:45:36,840 --> 02:45:39,680
he's one of the best I've ever seen. His

4572
02:45:38,159 --> 02:45:42,119
name is Scott Mitchell.

4573
02:45:39,680 --> 02:45:44,399
And he says, "There are pictures that

4574
02:45:42,120 --> 02:45:46,000
were taken in 2020." And they ironically

4575
02:45:44,399 --> 02:45:49,079
those pictures were taken on December

4576
02:45:46,000 --> 02:45:51,360
25th, 2020, which is Christmas Day

4577
02:45:49,079 --> 02:45:53,000
in the middle of COVID.

4578
02:45:51,360 --> 02:45:54,400
Which means the base might have been

4579
02:45:53,000 --> 02:45:55,760
shut down.

4580
02:45:54,399 --> 02:45:57,680
If you think about that, you know what I

4581
02:45:55,760 --> 02:45:59,960
mean? Like it's COVID. It's like in the

4582
02:45:57,680 --> 02:46:01,880
heat of it. Plus it's 20 It's 20 It's

4583
02:45:59,959 --> 02:46:04,879
25th of December. So, there's probably

4584
02:46:01,879 --> 02:46:05,799
nothing going on there. And this private

4585
02:46:04,879 --> 02:46:08,479
uh

4586
02:46:05,799 --> 02:46:10,959
pilot in in a small Cessna requested

4587
02:46:08,479 --> 02:46:13,199
access inside the perimeter

4588
02:46:10,959 --> 02:46:15,719
and they granted him permission.

4589
02:46:13,200 --> 02:46:18,560
And he had a big Nikon camera on board

4590
02:46:15,719 --> 02:46:19,760
with a big telescopic zoom and he took a

4591
02:46:18,559 --> 02:46:21,519
ton of pictures and they're

4592
02:46:19,760 --> 02:46:23,639
amazing. They're all public. They're all

4593
02:46:21,520 --> 02:46:26,120
available. You can download them.

4594
02:46:23,639 --> 02:46:28,279
And there's this these pictures of

4595
02:46:26,120 --> 02:46:30,040
Papoose Lake and the hill. But they were

4596
02:46:28,280 --> 02:46:31,360
being used on the internet for a long

4597
02:46:30,040 --> 02:46:33,440
time. Everybody was like, "See, Bob

4598
02:46:31,360 --> 02:46:35,040
Lazar is is a fraud. It's not real.

4599
02:46:33,440 --> 02:46:37,399
There's nothing there."

4600
02:46:35,040 --> 02:46:40,040
Well, of course you can't see it. It's

4601
02:46:37,399 --> 02:46:41,840
First of all, it's 17 mi away and

4602
02:46:40,040 --> 02:46:44,520
secondly, they're not designed for you

4603
02:46:41,840 --> 02:46:46,040
to see it. And that also let's talk

4604
02:46:44,520 --> 02:46:48,239
about something that Bob was talking

4605
02:46:46,040 --> 02:46:51,000
about in 1988. The picture was taken in

4606
02:46:48,239 --> 02:46:52,360
2020. I mean, there could be

4607
02:46:51,000 --> 02:46:53,600
That's could be a different landscape

4608
02:46:52,360 --> 02:46:54,920
now. Anyway.

4609
02:46:53,600 --> 02:46:57,760
So,

4610
02:46:54,920 --> 02:46:59,920
he said, "Look, this image if you change

4611
02:46:57,760 --> 02:47:01,880
the contrast, you got to keep the

4612
02:46:59,920 --> 02:47:04,920
original, but just move and try to

4613
02:47:01,879 --> 02:47:06,479
extract data from your image." You know,

4614
02:47:04,920 --> 02:47:09,000
anybody who knows how to use that do

4615
02:47:06,479 --> 02:47:11,879
that with photography, you can do that.

4616
02:47:09,000 --> 02:47:14,000
And he and he pulls out these this this

4617
02:47:11,879 --> 02:47:15,439
geometric these geometric shapes. You

4618
02:47:14,000 --> 02:47:18,799
could see them. They're they're like

4619
02:47:15,440 --> 02:47:20,760
little They look like rectangles.

4620
02:47:18,799 --> 02:47:23,599
And I thought

4621
02:47:20,760 --> 02:47:25,079
"What if this is not real?" I I'm I was

4622
02:47:23,600 --> 02:47:26,440
super skeptical. I'll be honest with

4623
02:47:25,079 --> 02:47:29,120
you. I wasn't I'm We're talking about

4624
02:47:26,440 --> 02:47:30,280
the the picture with the doors on the

4625
02:47:29,120 --> 02:47:31,800
the hangar doors the hangar doors, the

4626
02:47:30,280 --> 02:47:34,560
one from Scott Mitchell, the one that we

4627
02:47:31,799 --> 02:47:35,279
have in the film. All right, right. And

4628
02:47:34,559 --> 02:47:36,719
uh

4629
02:47:35,280 --> 02:47:38,480
And so I I I didn't believe it. I

4630
02:47:36,719 --> 02:47:40,559
thought there's no way. I go, "There's

4631
02:47:38,479 --> 02:47:42,559
no way this is real. I I I don't believe

4632
02:47:40,559 --> 02:47:44,239
it." So, Scott was really cool. He said,

4633
02:47:42,559 --> 02:47:47,600
"Look, man, I I understand you're

4634
02:47:44,239 --> 02:47:48,840
skeptic. I get it. I want you to do me a

4635
02:47:47,600 --> 02:47:51,360
favor.

4636
02:47:48,840 --> 02:47:53,040
Go online. Search it yourself. I won't

4637
02:47:51,360 --> 02:47:56,120
even tell you where it is. I'll just

4638
02:47:53,040 --> 02:47:58,280
tell you what who who took the pictures.

4639
02:47:56,120 --> 02:48:01,600
E The The only thing he gave us is the

4640
02:47:58,280 --> 02:48:03,680
picture number is 0501. That's what the

4641
02:48:01,600 --> 02:48:05,920
picture number is. He goes, "If you find

4642
02:48:03,680 --> 02:48:07,920
it, have what whoever on your team play

4643
02:48:05,920 --> 02:48:10,159
around with it until you see it." That

4644
02:48:07,920 --> 02:48:12,319
was fair cuz I said, "Okay." Cuz I mean,

4645
02:48:10,159 --> 02:48:14,239
if it's if it's out there, there's two

4646
02:48:12,319 --> 02:48:16,799
different places it was

4647
02:48:14,239 --> 02:48:20,559
on online and the one place we got it

4648
02:48:16,799 --> 02:48:24,759
from was the source of it, okay? Was the

4649
02:48:20,559 --> 02:48:27,119
from the photographer, the guy himself.

4650
02:48:24,760 --> 02:48:29,040
We take it. I had three different people

4651
02:48:27,120 --> 02:48:30,720
on my team. Everybody's really good at

4652
02:48:29,040 --> 02:48:31,680
all this stuff on my team. So, I said,

4653
02:48:30,719 --> 02:48:33,799
"Guys,

4654
02:48:31,680 --> 02:48:37,040
this is what we need to see. If you guys

4655
02:48:33,799 --> 02:48:39,399
could pull it up, I I I'm I'm not going

4656
02:48:37,040 --> 02:48:41,200
to be a skeptical. Everybody got it

4657
02:48:39,399 --> 02:48:43,719
almost in the same time. They were

4658
02:48:41,200 --> 02:48:46,320
playing around and eventually the the

4659
02:48:43,719 --> 02:48:48,959
easiest software we used to get that

4660
02:48:46,319 --> 02:48:51,279
detail out was DaVinci Resolve. And with

4661
02:48:48,959 --> 02:48:52,879
DaVinci, it's a faster process than if

4662
02:48:51,280 --> 02:48:53,960
you're messing around with Photoshop or

4663
02:48:52,879 --> 02:48:57,399
whatever.

4664
02:48:53,959 --> 02:48:59,679
And it came and I was like, "Oh my god."

4665
02:48:57,399 --> 02:49:02,440
It it it's it's really there. You could

4666
02:48:59,680 --> 02:49:04,840
clear So, what I did is I had them scan

4667
02:49:02,440 --> 02:49:07,520
the rest of the picture because it's

4668
02:49:04,840 --> 02:49:10,600
pixels, right? So, I said, "Let's also

4669
02:49:07,520 --> 02:49:13,040
see if it's not some pixel pixelation.

4670
02:49:10,600 --> 02:49:14,720
Is it maybe just what the photo does?

4671
02:49:13,040 --> 02:49:15,960
Maybe we just got lucky and it looks

4672
02:49:14,719 --> 02:49:18,079
like that there. Maybe it's going to

4673
02:49:15,959 --> 02:49:20,439
show something similar elsewhere." And

4674
02:49:18,079 --> 02:49:23,959
it doesn't. And then I said, "All right,

4675
02:49:20,440 --> 02:49:25,800
go get me 0502. I want 0500. I want"

4676
02:49:23,959 --> 02:49:27,839
because the guy kept snapping pictures.

4677
02:49:25,799 --> 02:49:29,759
I want you to do the same Like we went

4678
02:49:27,840 --> 02:49:32,239
really military. Like I said, "I want to

4679
02:49:29,760 --> 02:49:33,920
make sure this is this is real. I don't

4680
02:49:32,239 --> 02:49:36,559
I'm not going to put our name on this if

4681
02:49:33,920 --> 02:49:38,879
it's not." And then it ended up being

4682
02:49:36,559 --> 02:49:40,559
other pictures also show it, by the way,

4683
02:49:38,879 --> 02:49:42,479
cuz he he went click click click. So,

4684
02:49:40,559 --> 02:49:46,479
it's like it's not just that one. That's

4685
02:49:42,479 --> 02:49:48,600
the clearest one. And so, I was at a

4686
02:49:46,479 --> 02:49:51,399
certain point I go to Bob's house and

4687
02:49:48,600 --> 02:49:54,079
I'm sitting there and the guy

4688
02:49:51,399 --> 02:49:55,680
calls me. Scott Mitchell calls me and he

4689
02:49:54,079 --> 02:49:56,920
he has no idea I'm with I'm with Bob

4690
02:49:55,680 --> 02:49:59,079
Lazar.

4691
02:49:56,920 --> 02:50:00,479
So, I pick up. It's a video call.

4692
02:49:59,079 --> 02:50:02,239
And he goes, "Hey, man, what's going

4693
02:50:00,479 --> 02:50:04,199
on?" I said, "Well, look." I said, "Look

4694
02:50:02,239 --> 02:50:05,440
who I'm with." And he just like exploded

4695
02:50:04,200 --> 02:50:07,880
cuz he was like, "Oh my god, you're with

4696
02:50:05,440 --> 02:50:10,880
Bob." And I said, "Show him." And so,

4697
02:50:07,879 --> 02:50:12,839
Bob was there and we showed it we ended

4698
02:50:10,879 --> 02:50:15,559
up transferring the call on a on a Zoom

4699
02:50:12,840 --> 02:50:17,600
call. And he showed it and you said,

4700
02:50:15,559 --> 02:50:19,279
"Yeah." Like I remember you going,

4701
02:50:17,600 --> 02:50:20,479
"Yeah, that's it." Yeah, yeah, that.

4702
02:50:19,280 --> 02:50:21,360
What did that look like to you when you

4703
02:50:20,479 --> 02:50:22,799
saw those images?

4704
02:50:21,360 --> 02:50:23,200
>> that was that was awesome.

4705
02:50:22,799 --> 02:50:25,359
>> Yeah.

4706
02:50:23,200 --> 02:50:28,159
>> It was awesome. What what was really

4707
02:50:25,360 --> 02:50:29,120
shocking was the first hangar was

4708
02:50:28,159 --> 02:50:30,920
bigger. Yeah.

4709
02:50:29,120 --> 02:50:31,240
>> And that's what we discovered. Yeah.

4710
02:50:30,920 --> 02:50:32,520
>> Yeah.

4711
02:50:31,239 --> 02:50:33,760
>> Yeah, cuz the first hangar is the big

4712
02:50:32,520 --> 02:50:35,520
hangar and there's a bunch of smaller

4713
02:50:33,760 --> 02:50:38,079
ones. And I said, "Jesus, the first

4714
02:50:35,520 --> 02:50:42,040
hangar is bigger. You You found it. You

4715
02:50:38,079 --> 02:50:44,039
found it." So, I mean, that that was I I

4716
02:50:42,040 --> 02:50:44,360
just lit up at that point.

4717
02:50:44,040 --> 02:50:45,560
>> it was

4718
02:50:44,360 --> 02:50:47,040
>> What happens if you look at that site

4719
02:50:45,559 --> 02:50:48,239
with Google Earth?

4720
02:50:47,040 --> 02:50:50,320
That is with the Google Earth.

4721
02:50:48,239 --> 02:50:52,479
>> No. No, that was the picture, but Google

4722
02:50:50,319 --> 02:50:54,000
Earth but Google Earth and I'll tell you

4723
02:50:52,479 --> 02:50:55,239
something about Google That that was the

4724
02:50:54,000 --> 02:50:57,920
>> That wasn't with the Google Earth?

4725
02:50:55,239 --> 02:50:59,520
>> No, the the picture is a real photo.

4726
02:50:57,920 --> 02:51:00,280
The picture of the hangar doors is a

4727
02:50:59,520 --> 02:51:01,239
real photo.

4728
02:51:00,280 --> 02:51:02,920
>> I said that was Google Earth.

4729
02:51:01,239 --> 02:51:04,840
>> No. No, the picture is a real photo. The

4730
02:51:02,920 --> 02:51:05,639
Google Earth, though, you see that in

4731
02:51:04,840 --> 02:51:06,920
the film.

4732
02:51:05,639 --> 02:51:08,639
>> Yeah.

4733
02:51:06,920 --> 02:51:10,520
I can't make this up. I didn't want to

4734
02:51:08,639 --> 02:51:12,279
put anything in the film. That was one

4735
02:51:10,520 --> 02:51:14,880
of my things. I did not want to put

4736
02:51:12,280 --> 02:51:17,800
anything in the film that would make me,

4737
02:51:14,879 --> 02:51:19,559
the whole team, or even Bob look like

4738
02:51:17,799 --> 02:51:21,920
we're trying to like

4739
02:51:19,559 --> 02:51:24,600
MacGyver some something in there. It has

4740
02:51:21,920 --> 02:51:27,120
to be you go look for it yourself. It's

4741
02:51:24,600 --> 02:51:29,239
public. If you don't believe it, go

4742
02:51:27,120 --> 02:51:30,800
check it out yourself. I That's how

4743
02:51:29,239 --> 02:51:33,520
That's what was That's the only thing we

4744
02:51:30,799 --> 02:51:36,959
allowed in there. And

4745
02:51:33,520 --> 02:51:42,440
when you go on Papoose Lake,

4746
02:51:36,959 --> 02:51:45,479
on June 20 So, June 22nd of 2024,

4747
02:51:42,440 --> 02:51:48,480
June of 2024,

4748
02:51:45,479 --> 02:51:50,039
Google Earth changed. There's you're

4749
02:51:48,479 --> 02:51:52,680
you're going to be right over Papoose

4750
02:51:50,040 --> 02:51:54,400
Lake. If you zoom in, you're you're not

4751
02:51:52,680 --> 02:51:58,280
going to notice it cuz it it's kind of a

4752
02:51:54,399 --> 02:52:00,159
yellowish a tint to the to the image.

4753
02:51:58,280 --> 02:52:01,760
And I remember going, "Why is it so

4754
02:52:00,159 --> 02:52:03,280
yellow?" I mean, I'd been there so many

4755
02:52:01,760 --> 02:52:05,079
times. I was like, "Why Why it

4756
02:52:03,280 --> 02:52:07,720
turned so yellow?"

4757
02:52:05,079 --> 02:52:09,360
And I'm like I saw I I'm zooming out and

4758
02:52:07,719 --> 02:52:11,760
I'm like, "Why did they it up?" I

4759
02:52:09,360 --> 02:52:14,800
thought they ruined everything.

4760
02:52:11,760 --> 02:52:18,680
It's all yellow. And as I go further,

4761
02:52:14,799 --> 02:52:21,920
you see this box that is like right over

4762
02:52:18,680 --> 02:52:24,720
Papoose. So, I'm like, "What is that?"

4763
02:52:21,920 --> 02:52:29,600
And I put my mouse over it and wherever

4764
02:52:24,719 --> 02:52:31,000
you're in the box, it's June 22nd, 2024.

4765
02:52:29,600 --> 02:52:33,800
And as soon as you put your mouse

4766
02:52:31,000 --> 02:52:35,040
outside of the box, well, it's an older

4767
02:52:33,799 --> 02:52:38,799
date.

4768
02:52:35,040 --> 02:52:41,360
And I thought, "Oh, they just did that."

4769
02:52:38,799 --> 02:52:43,159
And the mis- So, I think what they

4770
02:52:41,360 --> 02:52:46,280
thought they were going to do

4771
02:52:43,159 --> 02:52:50,280
is that new filter right over Papoose

4772
02:52:46,280 --> 02:52:52,880
Lake removes every possible detail on

4773
02:52:50,280 --> 02:52:54,960
the terrain the landscape.

4774
02:52:52,879 --> 02:52:57,039
Where the brushes are and the the Joshua

4775
02:52:54,959 --> 02:52:57,679
trees are. It really really removes all

4776
02:52:57,040 --> 02:52:57,880
that.

4777
02:52:57,680 --> 02:53:00,360
>> everything.

4778
02:52:57,879 --> 02:53:02,920
>> It blurs everything out. But it makes

4779
02:53:00,360 --> 02:53:04,520
they made a mistake. They made a huge

4780
02:53:02,920 --> 02:53:05,639
error. I believe so. And I think if

4781
02:53:04,520 --> 02:53:06,800
they're listening, they're going to go,

4782
02:53:05,639 --> 02:53:09,359
"Yeah,

4783
02:53:06,799 --> 02:53:12,279
our bad." To the to the DoD cuz they're

4784
02:53:09,360 --> 02:53:13,360
going cuz you see all the tracks on the

4785
02:53:12,280 --> 02:53:16,600
lake.

4786
02:53:13,360 --> 02:53:20,360
It for some reason that filter

4787
02:53:16,600 --> 02:53:23,920
accentuates the tracks on Papoose Lake

4788
02:53:20,360 --> 02:53:26,319
and removes the landscape brushes for I

4789
02:53:23,920 --> 02:53:29,000
don't know why. It just did that. And I

4790
02:53:26,319 --> 02:53:31,000
was like, "Holy you see all these

4791
02:53:29,000 --> 02:53:33,239
tracks." What it looks like is they're

4792
02:53:31,000 --> 02:53:35,239
trying to purposely obscure the area.

4793
02:53:33,239 --> 02:53:36,319
>> Yes. And the fact that it's in a very

4794
02:53:35,239 --> 02:53:38,159
clear box.

4795
02:53:36,319 --> 02:53:39,879
>> Yeah. And you talked about that in the

4796
02:53:38,159 --> 02:53:40,600
film. And it's kind of bonkers.

4797
02:53:39,879 --> 02:53:41,439
>> And what's crazy

4798
02:53:40,600 --> 02:53:42,440
>> no reason

4799
02:53:41,440 --> 02:53:45,640
>> There's no reason.

4800
02:53:42,440 --> 02:53:48,000
>> one little square box out of Why? Why?

4801
02:53:45,639 --> 02:53:49,680
That nobody goes to, right? Yeah. So,

4802
02:53:48,000 --> 02:53:50,159
they tried to obscure it. Yeah. Yeah.

4803
02:53:49,680 --> 02:53:52,040
Why would

4804
02:53:50,159 --> 02:53:54,000
>> I thought, "Jeez, dude, we got to put

4805
02:53:52,040 --> 02:53:56,960
this in there. I mean, it's so cool,

4806
02:53:54,000 --> 02:53:58,360
right?" It's all very compelling.

4807
02:53:56,959 --> 02:54:00,319
Um

4808
02:53:58,360 --> 02:54:01,880
I think we should wrap this up, but uh

4809
02:54:00,319 --> 02:54:03,639
the film's excellent. Thank you.

4810
02:54:01,879 --> 02:54:05,759
>> Congratulations. You can tell it took a

4811
02:54:03,639 --> 02:54:08,079
tremendous amount of effort. And uh I

4812
02:54:05,760 --> 02:54:09,680
could tell by watching you watch it when

4813
02:54:08,079 --> 02:54:12,239
we watched it together that it had an

4814
02:54:09,680 --> 02:54:12,559
insane impact on you. It it really

4815
02:54:12,239 --> 02:54:14,760
affected me.

4816
02:54:12,559 --> 02:54:17,399
>> before I saw it with you. So, you're

4817
02:54:14,760 --> 02:54:20,079
just seeing it again. It's just like

4818
02:54:17,399 --> 02:54:22,879
it's bonkers. Yeah, it it really

4819
02:54:20,079 --> 02:54:25,479
affected me. And uh

4820
02:54:22,879 --> 02:54:27,159
is Is there anything else you want to

4821
02:54:25,479 --> 02:54:27,719
say? There's a couple things I want to

4822
02:54:27,159 --> 02:54:28,119
bring up.

4823
02:54:27,719 --> 02:54:28,519
>> Okay.

4824
02:54:28,120 --> 02:54:30,120
>> You know.

4825
02:54:28,520 --> 02:54:33,120
>> Yeah. Um

4826
02:54:30,120 --> 02:54:35,160
Just because I stuff Luigi has told me,

4827
02:54:33,120 --> 02:54:37,500
people think that I make millions of

4828
02:54:35,159 --> 02:54:37,959
dollars off of this stuff.

4829
02:54:37,500 --> 02:54:40,360
>> [laughter]

4830
02:54:37,959 --> 02:54:42,319
>> Oh, yeah. And I don't. I would I would

4831
02:54:40,360 --> 02:54:43,960
love to sign on to the millions of

4832
02:54:42,319 --> 02:54:47,039
dollars program. [laughter]

4833
02:54:43,959 --> 02:54:49,359
Um you know, Jeremy made made his movie

4834
02:54:47,040 --> 02:54:51,040
and I didn't get a cent from Jeremy's

4835
02:54:49,360 --> 02:54:53,560
movie. I said, "Anything you make, give

4836
02:54:51,040 --> 02:54:57,000
to George." Um

4837
02:54:53,559 --> 02:54:59,399
you know, it Luigi has spent millions of

4838
02:54:57,000 --> 02:54:59,920
dollars of his own money, literally,

4839
02:54:59,399 --> 02:55:00,440
right?

4840
02:54:59,920 --> 02:55:03,120
>> Literally.

4841
02:55:00,440 --> 02:55:05,079
>> know, making this stuff. And I can't see

4842
02:55:03,120 --> 02:55:07,840
how he's ever going to make the money

4843
02:55:05,079 --> 02:55:11,799
back. If he does, that's awesome. I

4844
02:55:07,840 --> 02:55:12,200
drive a uh 1980-something

4845
02:55:11,799 --> 02:55:14,079
uh

4846
02:55:12,200 --> 02:55:15,000
>> Not a 1980. You drive a

4847
02:55:14,079 --> 02:55:19,520
>> No, 19

4848
02:55:15,000 --> 02:55:22,079
>> 2018 No, a 20 2018 Chevy Bolt electric

4849
02:55:19,520 --> 02:55:24,440
car. I mean, it's a car you'd buy for

4850
02:55:22,079 --> 02:55:27,319
your teenage daughter. It's embarrassing

4851
02:55:24,440 --> 02:55:30,000
to drive. It cost me $18,000.

4852
02:55:27,319 --> 02:55:33,959
You know, my house on the 10 acres cost

4853
02:55:30,000 --> 02:55:35,879
450 grand. And you know, back when I

4854
02:55:33,959 --> 02:55:39,159
when I got it, I mean, that's that's I

4855
02:55:35,879 --> 02:55:42,000
work 6 to 7 days a week at United

4856
02:55:39,159 --> 02:55:43,879
Nuclear, my business. I mean, if there's

4857
02:55:42,000 --> 02:55:45,559
anyone that wants to give me millions of

4858
02:55:43,879 --> 02:55:48,719
dollars, please [laughter]

4859
02:55:45,559 --> 02:55:50,920
contact contact me immediately because I

4860
02:55:48,719 --> 02:55:52,719
would like to retire. But but no, I

4861
02:55:50,920 --> 02:55:56,079
don't make millions of dollars off this

4862
02:55:52,719 --> 02:55:58,639
stuff. And uh I

4863
02:55:56,079 --> 02:56:00,520
I my my wife and I do fine. We grow our

4864
02:55:58,639 --> 02:56:02,239
food in our greenhouse and we live in

4865
02:56:00,520 --> 02:56:05,840
our little place up in the mountains and

4866
02:56:02,239 --> 02:56:08,239
that that that's it. But I um you know,

4867
02:56:05,840 --> 02:56:09,920
this is Luigi's thing. That's why he's

4868
02:56:08,239 --> 02:56:11,119
here. I think the film's going to be

4869
02:56:09,920 --> 02:56:12,440
very successful and I think you're

4870
02:56:11,120 --> 02:56:13,640
probably going to make money off of it.

4871
02:56:12,440 --> 02:56:14,800
At least I'm hoping.

4872
02:56:13,639 --> 02:56:15,751
>> he'll make money off it.

4873
02:56:14,799 --> 02:56:15,759
>> Well,

4874
02:56:15,752 --> 02:56:17,120
>> [laughter]

4875
02:56:15,760 --> 02:56:19,360
>> he'll make money off of it.

4876
02:56:17,120 --> 02:56:20,760
>> I Thank you, Joe. Um

4877
02:56:19,360 --> 02:56:22,680
I think we should wrap it up. Thank you

4878
02:56:20,760 --> 02:56:23,360
very much, Luigi. Knocked it out of the

4879
02:56:22,680 --> 02:56:23,680
park.

4880
02:56:23,360 --> 02:56:25,880
>> you.

4881
02:56:23,680 --> 02:56:27,720
>> It's fantastic. Bob, great to see you

4882
02:56:25,879 --> 02:56:29,506
again, as always. I'm sorry I had to pee

4883
02:56:27,719 --> 02:56:31,079
so much. That's okay.

4884
02:56:29,506 --> 02:56:32,840
>> [laughter]

4885
02:56:31,079 --> 02:56:35,440
>> It's understandable. It's

4886
02:56:32,840 --> 02:56:37,399
understandable. And uh again, the film

4887
02:56:35,440 --> 02:56:39,159
uh let's show it on the screen, Jamie,

4888
02:56:37,399 --> 02:56:40,719
so people can know uh where they could

4889
02:56:39,159 --> 02:56:41,680
see it when they

4890
02:56:40,719 --> 02:56:44,159
when it's available.

4891
02:56:41,680 --> 02:56:45,559
>> Yeah, it's available actually as of

4892
02:56:44,159 --> 02:56:46,840
right now.

4893
02:56:45,559 --> 02:56:47,600
Let's play the trailer. We'll we'll

4894
02:56:46,840 --> 02:56:50,880
we'll end it with

4895
02:56:47,600 --> 02:56:53,000
>> let's do that. S4 The Bob Lazar Story.

4896
02:56:50,879 --> 02:56:56,079
We'll end it with a trailer.

4897
02:56:53,000 --> 02:56:58,920
It's on Amazon and uh We Are Not Alone.

4898
02:56:56,079 --> 02:56:58,920
>> Not Alone, right?

4899
02:57:15,079 --> 02:57:19,120
Physical evidence now exists which

4900
02:57:17,120 --> 02:57:20,840
proves that there is life elsewhere and

4901
02:57:19,120 --> 02:57:23,280
at least one form of that life has been

4902
02:57:20,840 --> 02:57:23,280
here.

4903
02:57:23,760 --> 02:57:29,960
As of 1989, that evidence was in the

4904
02:57:26,399 --> 02:57:32,399
custody of the United States government.

4905
02:57:29,959 --> 02:57:34,959
Between December of 1988 and April of

4906
02:57:32,399 --> 02:57:36,520
1989, I worked as a senior staff

4907
02:57:34,959 --> 02:57:39,959
physicist in what has to be the most

4908
02:57:36,520 --> 02:57:39,960
secret project in history.

4909
02:57:40,239 --> 02:57:45,486
My job in this program was to be part of

4910
02:57:42,239 --> 02:57:46,319
a back-engineering team.

4911
02:57:45,486 --> 02:57:48,399
>> [music]

4912
02:57:46,319 --> 02:57:50,399
>> This particular disk appeared to be in

4913
02:57:48,399 --> 02:57:52,000
excellent condition and because of its

4914
02:57:50,399 --> 02:57:54,879
sleek appearance, I nicknamed it the

4915
02:57:52,000 --> 02:57:54,879
sport model.

4916
02:57:55,159 --> 02:57:59,039
The goal in this program was to see if

4917
02:57:57,520 --> 02:58:02,680
the technology of the disk could be

4918
02:57:59,040 --> 02:58:04,360
duplicated with Earth materials.

4919
02:58:02,680 --> 02:58:07,200
To start up the reactor, of course, we

4920
02:58:04,360 --> 02:58:10,360
need [music] some element 115.

4921
02:58:07,200 --> 02:58:12,760
In fact, you need 223 g machined into a

4922
02:58:10,360 --> 02:58:14,560
wedge like this.

4923
02:58:12,760 --> 02:58:16,960
The program at Area S4 [music] consisted

4924
02:58:14,559 --> 02:58:18,879
of three projects: Project Galileo,

4925
02:58:16,959 --> 02:58:20,439
Project Sidekick, and Project Looking

4926
02:58:18,879 --> 02:58:22,599
Glass.

4927
02:58:20,440 --> 02:58:24,760
The file on top was [music] Project

4928
02:58:22,600 --> 02:58:28,280
Galileo. And as it turned out, that's

4929
02:58:24,760 --> 02:58:30,683
the project that I was part of. And that

4930
02:58:28,280 --> 02:58:32,000
clearly

4931
02:58:30,683 --> 02:58:33,600
[music]

4932
02:58:32,000 --> 02:58:37,159
referred to

4933
02:58:33,600 --> 02:58:37,159
alien spacecraft.

4934
02:58:38,360 --> 02:58:41,560
Just cannot be a secret from

4935
02:58:40,680 --> 02:58:42,800
from anyone, [music] not just the

4936
02:58:41,559 --> 02:58:45,399
American people, but the rest of the

4937
02:58:42,799 --> 02:58:45,399
world.

4938
02:58:48,360 --> 02:58:53,079
All this stuff is something that

4939
02:58:49,559 --> 02:58:53,079
happened to him. It's not who he is.

4940
02:58:55,120 --> 02:59:01,120
They're doing everything they can to

4941
02:58:57,360 --> 02:59:01,120
keep this information secret.

4942
02:59:02,959 --> 02:59:09,039
That's empirical evidence. I saw a craft

4943
02:59:05,520 --> 02:59:09,040
to do that, thanks to him.

4944
02:59:09,327 --> 02:59:12,879
>> [music]

4945
02:59:09,440 --> 02:59:12,880
>> Help this story spills.

4946
02:59:13,920 --> 02:59:16,799
And the world change.

4947
02:59:23,479 --> 02:59:25,799
Bye.

4948
02:59:29,634 --> 02:59:31,653
>> [music]