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>> The Joe Rogan Experience.

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>> TRAIN BY DAY. JOE ROGAN PODCAST BY

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>> Yeah, I was listening to Tim. First of

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all, hello.

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>> What's up?

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>> Good to see you, my friend.

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>> Great to see you.

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>> Uh, we were listening to Tim Dylan. I I

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was listening to on the way over here

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and he was talking about uh Anna Paulina

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Luna and Tim Bchett and Trump. They're

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all talking about the UAP disclosures

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and like why now? Like what are they

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doing? Like why are they distracting us

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with this? Timberchet said that whatever

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they're going to release it will be

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indigestible.

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>> What does that mean?

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>> Right.

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>> Indigestible as in or well then it

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doesn't mean that it's real then.

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>> Well, I think it means that it'll be so

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crazy if it's real. So crazy. He's the

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one that's been saying that there's

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these confirmed bases under the ocean,

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that there's these specific locations. I

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think you talked you're shaking your

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head. You don't believe a word of it.

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>> No.

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>> How come?

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>> I think I think it's true that there

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look,

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it's completely implausible that there

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aren't other species,

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>> right?

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>> Completely implausible.

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>> Just the vastness of what we're dealing

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with. So the real question is like why

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haven't we encountered people or those

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things those beings,

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>> right?

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>> And it's probably because they just they

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have bigger fish to fry, you know? So by

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the time that we meet them and they meet

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us, we're we're going to kind of be at

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the edge of like we've we've kind of

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been there done that on our own planet

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and then we've kind of like developed

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the technology I guess to get beyond it.

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Um but somewhere along the way there

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must have been a few just mathematically

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impossible. So then the question is, is

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it buried? Or were people confused when

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it first came here? Like if you had a

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spaceship land in like the 1800s,

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>> What would people have done? They would

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have just freaked out. They wouldn't

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have understood it. Maybe they would

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have buried it. Depending on where it

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was, maybe they started to pray to it,

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>> And you would have just moved on. And

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then that isn't documented in history.

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>> It is. There's a lot of it documented in

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>> Oh, you mean like hieroglyphics and like

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>> Well, the book of Ezekiel. The book of

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Ezekiel goes in depth about some sort of

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a UFO encounter that Ezekiel

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>> Where it's a wheel within a wheel and a

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a cloud with fire flashing forth

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continually in the midst of a cloud as

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it were gleaming metal and from the

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midst of it came the likeness of four

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living creatures and the creatures

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a flash of lightning. This is all in the

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Bible. Um it's also in the Mahabarada.

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>> I think it's entirely possible that we

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have been visited periodically

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>> and that we are we have been monitored

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>> And if I was going to hide, I would hide

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>> Well, to be honest, as I get older, I'm

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>> we're basically in some form of a

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simulation. There's like all these

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>> that if you start to see these little

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clues, you're like,

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>> they all seem so odd in isolation and

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then when you put them together, I feel

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like a crazy person. So, I ignore

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>> But I wonder like why did this happen?

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LA before I came to see you. And um I

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told this very interesting story. Well,

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or I thought it was interesting at the

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you know that like so in 2000, right? If

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people can give you all kinds of like

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fancy theories,

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but there's just like this weird

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word that's been at the center of every

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single technological revolution for the

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last 30 years. And that word is

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attention. Let me explain this to you.

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Google, they invent Google. What is

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Google? Google is a algorithm. It's

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called page rank. But if you look inside

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of it, what is it? It says, "Well,

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Chimath's website has five links to it.

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getting more attention." Okay, Chimath's

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website is more important. That's the

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sum total of Google. Now, they've made

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that a lot more refined and they've done

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all these other fancy things,

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but it's all about attention. Mhm.

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Zuck and then when I went to work for

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like what do everybody what does

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everybody care about? Attention. And so

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what is like the Facebook algorithm?

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how did we construct newsfeed all around

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attention? Joe had 35 likes. Jamie had

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12 likes. Your thing is more important.

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Let's give it more more importance

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because it's seemingly meeting all these

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human needs. Attention. Attention.

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attention. So phase one attention, phase

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two attention, and this is where I'm

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like, how can this be possible? In phase

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three, we're like looking at AI. And

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when you look backwards four years, the

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seminal paper is called attention is all

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you need. It's about this word again.

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part, if you peel out peel, you know,

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apart AI,

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the little brain that makes it so

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capable, it's called an attention

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mechanism. It's just attention. It's all

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about again this idea of I'm gonna scour

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attention must mean it's more important.

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we're all like why is it that these

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we even explored it? No. So then I

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think, well, is this just a simulation?

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there's a person playing a game. But if

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resources, paying attention to who says

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the people. It's all about what human

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the thing that you are paying attention

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interesting and useful. That's sort of

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really weird phase, I think, where

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this thing over here and instead we're

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all focused on all these things over

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here's like a very big one. I think like

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it's pretty fair to say since the last

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the attitude towards technology, I

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think, has been pretty profoundly

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negative. It's kind of tilted. It's

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relatively like anti-AI,

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you know, anti-billionaires. It's anti-

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all of this stuff.

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interesting ways. There's protests,

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this stuff that's happening. Um, people

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are worried about job loss. All of that

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>> Do you want a cigar?

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>> No, I'm okay. I'm okay. Um,

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end of a cycle that doesn't work

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anymore, which is all about like this

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tension between labor, people that do

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the work, and capital, the people that

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fund it and then make all the returns.

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down world where capital extracts all of

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and labor has extracted less and less

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and less and less. And all of this push

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back, it manifests in AI, it manifests

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in politics, it manifests in social

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issues, it manifests in, you know,

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Israel, whatever you want to talk about.

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symptomologically,

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come from this other issue, which is we

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are out of balance. This total compact

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that we used to have, a liberal

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democracy and a free market has totally

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collapsed. And there are simple ways to

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fix that, but that never gets the

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attention because it's not what you want

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to talk about. the attention is here,

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you know, vote no to the data center.

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you know, this social issue is really

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important. That war should not be

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fought. That war should be fought. All

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of these things while important

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distract us from what the core issue is.

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society, I think, are out of balance.

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the the natural compact between all of

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ways to fix that compact. Get people

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more invested, get people more engaged

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in the upside, have people have a

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positive some view of what's happening

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and that isn't happening.

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>> Well, what what simple solutions are

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there to to this one very particular

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issue?

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>> Okay, I'll get your reaction to this.

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Let's assume that you still lived in

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California because I think it it tells

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this example in a more extreme way.

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>> Okay. Um, let's say you make a million

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bucks a year, which is a lot of money,

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but it it makes the it makes the point

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more cleanly. Um,

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you'd pay, I think, 30%

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federal tax and you'd pay another 15 or

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16% in state tax and Medicare tax and

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all this tax. So, if you're a wage

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earner,

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50% of all your upside

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goes to the government.

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If you're a capital earnner and you make

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that same million dollars via capital

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gains, you pay half that tax.

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Why did that happen? That happened

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because in the 40s and 50s, but really

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in the 60s and 70s and 80s,

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what we were trying to do or what the

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American government and what western

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societies were trying to do was to

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convince people to invest their money.

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Hey Joe, go build that factory. Go hire

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those people and we're going to

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incentivize you to do so.

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And by doing that, there was this idea

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that that all of those profits that you

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would get would then diffuse, right,

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trickle down into everybody else. The

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workers participated, everybody

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participated.

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But technology allows you to do more

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with less and less. So now what happens

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is the capital owners can acrue

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infinite almost it seems like value and

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the workers get less and less. But now

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if you get less and less and you're

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taxed more and more as a percentage of

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what you own, you're going to feel

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really out of sorts. You're going to be

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like, why am I paying 50 cents of every

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dollar? And I see these other ways where

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folks are paying 25 cents on their

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dollars, but their dollars are

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compounding way faster and they have,

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you know, hundreds of billions more of

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those dollars than I have of my dollars.

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If you take that example and you expand

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it across society, I think people

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understand that now. There's enough

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information and there's enough people

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talking about it where it's pretty clear

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that that's happened. So the question is

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how do you fix it? I think like if you

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think about AI and if you believe that

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we're going to get into this world of

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abundance

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and we're not working, what does it mean

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for governments to tax our labor? There

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is no labor. You're not working anymore.

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I'm not working. We're doing things out

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of leisure.

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Why should I pay 50 cents of every

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dollar? Why aren't the companies that

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are going to be making trillions of

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dollars, why don't they pay more?

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Why isn't there, you know, an

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expectation that they then help our

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lived society

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do better and thrive as a result of all

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of that winning? That's the real

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conversation that I think is

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bubbling.

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And I think that we're probably another

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12 to 18 months where all of these other

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issues are going to be important, but

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they're going to be viewed for for what

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they are. um they're going to get

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demoted I think in importance and it's

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this core structural issue it's what is

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the economic relationship that we have

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together as a society what is the

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relationship between Joe Chamath Jamie

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and all these companies and how do we

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feel about a few and an evershrinking

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few making more and more and more

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and then how do we feel about their

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ability to share that with a small

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amount of people

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and then what do what is the expectation

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for everybody else? I think that's

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mostly at the core of what's happening.

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And so back to like, you know, all of

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this attention that we give to these

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other issues distracts from that one

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because I think you can get organized to

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fix this issue. You can't get

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concessions on any of these issues.

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>> Mhm.

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>> You know, you bring up Israel, it's like

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this. You bring up social issues, it's

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like this. You bring up, you know,

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whatever you want to bring up, people

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just kind of take a side, nothing

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happens. This is actually where people

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are universally actually much more

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aligned than you think because there's

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reasonable ways. One simple way was is

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you'd say, well, let's flip the taxation

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model.

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Corporate taxes

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should exceed personal taxes. They've

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never

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we should have an expectation that then

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corporate

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actors can buy down their taxes if they

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want, but if they do social good for

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society. I'll give you an example. At

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the industrial revolution, there's a

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table like this and the leading lights

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of that era, Andrew Carnegie, Nelson

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Rockefeller, Jay Gould, JP Morgan,

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they sat together and they said, "Guys,

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this is going to benefit us this

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industrial revolution.

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It may not benefit everybody. What is

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our responsibility? What is our

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collective responsibility?"

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And they allocated tasks. Carnegie went

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and built libraries

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all throughout the country. Rockefeller

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built universities, hospitals were

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built. And I think what happened is

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society was like, "Wow, these are living

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testaments to us doing well." And so

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then they were okay with this

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transition.

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But if you think about it today, what

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are the living tributes that, you know,

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capital builds and leaves behind for

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society? It's fewer and fewer.

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I think that's a that's a very big

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opportunity for somebody to fill it. I

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think it's like especially for folks in

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tech. I think if they can get themselves

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organized to do that, I think we we land

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in a good place. If they cannot get

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themselves organized to do that and say

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everyone for themselves,

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I think it's going to be really

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complicated. Super messy. super messy

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because

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>> super messy

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>> that sentiment that the wealthy are

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getting wealthier and the middle class

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is disappearing and the poor are being

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taxed into oblivion.

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>> Look, an $80,000 year teacher pays 40%

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tax. But if you're a multi-billionaire,

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most of your wealth is not W2 wages.

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It's cap gains. But there's all kinds of

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ways to shelter cap gains. There's all

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kinds of ways to defer. And so even

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though you pay more on an absolute

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dollar basis, on a percentage basis,

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you're paying way way less. And all of

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those tricks have been exposed.

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They've all been exposed. These are all

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mechanisms that were that were, you

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know, invented from the 1980s to now,

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right? By all the by all the banks and

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all the folks that wanted to come to

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folks that had wealth. And so it's it's

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and it's all known. And I think people

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are kind of like, "Hey, hold on a

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second. This just doesn't feel fair

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anymore.

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>> Absolutely. But the other problem with

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that is if you do tax correctly, where

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does that money go? And who's managing

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it? And ultimately, who's managing it is

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the federal government. And they've been

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shown to be completely inept at managing

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your money correctly. The fraud and the

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waste is off the charts. the amount of

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NOS's that have insane amount of funds

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at their disposal. I mean all this is

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exposed by Doge, right? And you realize

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like how much fraud and waste there is

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and how much money. So the solution

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being tax people more

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>> that doesn't sit with a lot of people

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because it's like well where where is it

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going and who's managing it? If if the

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federal government was being forced to

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handle money the same way a private

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company does, if it was all out in the

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open, everything was exposed, they would

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have gone bankrupt a long time ago. They

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would have gone under a long time ago.

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There's no way they would have been

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allowed to function the way they are.

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The people that are managing that money

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would have all been put in jail. There's

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not a chance in hell that

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giving them more money is going to solve

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anything. They're going to find more

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ways to put more of that money into

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NOS's that puts more of that money into

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Democratic coffers and Republican

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coffers. They're going to figure out a

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way to funnel that money around where

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it's not going to benefit people. I

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mean, a good example of that is like

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where let's let's look at the LA fire

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thing for instance. All right. So the LA

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fire fund, there's a giant fire in the

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Palisades. All this money gets raised.

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It's over $800 million. It goes to 200

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plus different nonprofits. None of it

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goes to the people,

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>> right?

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>> Spencer Pratt, who's running for mayor

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of Los Angeles.

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>> He's doing a great job, by the way.

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>> [ __ ] phenomenal.

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>> Those ads are those ads are fire.

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>> They're so good.

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>> They're fire. I He's doing and he's

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doing it all out of a trailer. Yeah.

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>> On his burnt out land. I mean, he's the

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most righteous guy running in that

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regard.

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>> But just that being exposed like, okay,

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we're going to help out these people.

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We're going to donate money. We're going

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to raise money. We're going to do some

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good. We feel terrible about the people

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in our community that have lost homes.

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Well, what happens? Well, the same

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people that you're saying we should give

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more taxes to take that money and they

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just give it to a bunch of nonprofits

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540
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>> I'm not saying give more tax. What I'm

541
00:19:31,839 --> 00:19:33,038
saying is,

542
00:19:32,558 --> 00:19:34,720
>> right,

543
00:19:33,038 --> 00:19:36,319
>> people are taxed too much. Yes,

544
00:19:34,720 --> 00:19:37,120
>> corporates are not taxed enough. Flip

545
00:19:36,319 --> 00:19:39,279
it. That's

546
00:19:37,119 --> 00:19:42,000
>> right. But even if you do flip it and

547
00:19:39,279 --> 00:19:44,079
the corporates are taxed more, where's

548
00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:46,798
that money going? This is the problem.

549
00:19:44,079 --> 00:19:49,599
>> I suspect that if you put the burden on

550
00:19:46,798 --> 00:19:52,160
Wall Street and corporates,

551
00:19:49,599 --> 00:19:53,599
um, they'd be a lot more organized and

552
00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:57,600
they'd probably create a lot more change

553
00:19:53,599 --> 00:19:58,959
than a diffuse electorate. Meaning like

554
00:19:57,599 --> 00:20:01,119
let's just say the government spends a

555
00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:02,640
trillion dollars and wastes it. I'm

556
00:20:01,119 --> 00:20:04,000
generally like roughly aligned with

557
00:20:02,640 --> 00:20:07,360
that.

558
00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:10,240
If you waste a trillion dollars from 300

559
00:20:07,359 --> 00:20:12,639
million people, it's hard to organize at

560
00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:15,120
300 million people. But if you waste a

561
00:20:12,640 --> 00:20:16,480
trillion dollars from 300 companies,

562
00:20:15,119 --> 00:20:18,239
those companies will get their [ __ ]

563
00:20:16,480 --> 00:20:19,679
together really fast. And they will

564
00:20:18,240 --> 00:20:20,960
force a lot more change.

565
00:20:19,679 --> 00:20:22,880
>> I would hope so, but you're still

566
00:20:20,960 --> 00:20:25,279
dealing with incompetent people that are

567
00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:26,320
tasked with taking care of that money.

568
00:20:25,279 --> 00:20:27,279
Not just incompetent, but

569
00:20:26,319 --> 00:20:28,000
>> don't get me wrong, I'm not defending

570
00:20:27,279 --> 00:20:31,440
these people.

571
00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:34,000
>> Decades of corruption. decades and

572
00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:36,640
decades of all these mechanisms where

573
00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:40,798
they can take this money and funnel it

574
00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:43,520
into these NOS and these nonprofits and

575
00:20:40,798 --> 00:20:45,119
all these different weird organizations

576
00:20:43,519 --> 00:20:47,359
that don't seem to have accountability

577
00:20:45,119 --> 00:20:48,959
for what they do with that money, that

578
00:20:47,359 --> 00:20:52,399
gets real slippery.

579
00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:54,558
>> Yeah. And if those people in turn make

580
00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:56,640
deals with those corporations that allow

581
00:20:54,558 --> 00:20:58,158
them to do certain things and push

582
00:20:56,640 --> 00:21:00,400
things through that maybe they would

583
00:20:58,159 --> 00:21:01,840
have difficulty doing, then you have a

584
00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:04,240
different kind of a working relationship

585
00:21:01,839 --> 00:21:07,038
with the same groups of people and the

586
00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:09,519
same government. You just take money

587
00:21:07,038 --> 00:21:11,359
from corporations and move it into a way

588
00:21:09,519 --> 00:21:13,119
where the corporations ultimately

589
00:21:11,359 --> 00:21:14,319
benefit from it, but yet it doesn't do

590
00:21:13,119 --> 00:21:15,918
any good to the people.

591
00:21:14,319 --> 00:21:17,839
>> Yeah. I mean, I can see where you're

592
00:21:15,919 --> 00:21:21,200
coming from. I just think that if we go

593
00:21:17,839 --> 00:21:23,759
on the track we're going down,

594
00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:24,880
>> it just seems like we're we're going to

595
00:21:23,759 --> 00:21:25,279
hit a crisis.

596
00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:27,360
>> Yes,

597
00:21:25,279 --> 00:21:29,200
>> the crisis is you can't expect people to

598
00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:31,119
pay more and more and more. Again, I

599
00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:33,200
agree with you. The premise is we're all

600
00:21:31,119 --> 00:21:36,399
paying for a system that's broken.

601
00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:37,919
>> That should that should change. But we

602
00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:39,919
still continue to have to pay our taxes.

603
00:21:37,919 --> 00:21:42,720
But if taxes keep going up like this at

604
00:21:39,919 --> 00:21:44,559
the individual level

605
00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:46,079
and we don't manage this transition to

606
00:21:44,558 --> 00:21:47,759
something where we may be working less

607
00:21:46,079 --> 00:21:49,519
and less, what are we getting paid to

608
00:21:47,759 --> 00:21:51,599
do? And then at that point, how are we

609
00:21:49,519 --> 00:21:52,000
expected to pay what? 90% of what?

610
00:21:51,599 --> 00:21:55,519
>> Right?

611
00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:59,119
>> 50% of what? I think people do have this

612
00:21:55,519 --> 00:22:02,798
weird feeling of

613
00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:06,079
dread that the people that are in

614
00:22:02,798 --> 00:22:07,599
control of a lot in this country, the

615
00:22:06,079 --> 00:22:09,359
the tech companies in particular,

616
00:22:07,599 --> 00:22:11,759
particularly the tech companies like

617
00:22:09,359 --> 00:22:14,240
Google and Facebook that are essentially

618
00:22:11,759 --> 00:22:16,720
involved in data collection and then

619
00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:19,599
ultimately dissemination of information

620
00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:21,839
that they have acquired enormous amounts

621
00:22:19,599 --> 00:22:24,558
of wealth and power and influence and

622
00:22:21,839 --> 00:22:25,439
they're essentially a new form of the

623
00:22:24,558 --> 00:22:26,079
government.

624
00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:27,440
>> Yeah.

625
00:22:26,079 --> 00:22:30,079
>> You know, are you aware of Robert

626
00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:31,120
Epstein? Do you know about his work?

627
00:22:30,079 --> 00:22:33,519
>> Not Robert Epste.

628
00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:36,639
>> No, different guy. Different guy. Um,

629
00:22:33,519 --> 00:22:40,480
Robert Epstein is a guy who specializes

630
00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:44,480
in uh understanding what curated search

631
00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:47,440
results do and what what Google's able

632
00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:49,919
to do with in particular with curated

633
00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:51,120
search results in terms of influencing

634
00:22:49,919 --> 00:22:53,200
elections

635
00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:54,479
>> that like say if you you have two

636
00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:57,919
candidates that are running. Let's just

637
00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:59,839
say let's just take LA for instance. If

638
00:22:57,919 --> 00:23:02,880
and I'm not making any accusations, but

639
00:22:59,839 --> 00:23:05,439
I'm saying if they wanted Karen Bass to

640
00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:07,840
win and you searched Karen Bass, you

641
00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:10,320
would find all these positive results.

642
00:23:07,839 --> 00:23:12,879
If you searched Spencer Pratt, you would

643
00:23:10,319 --> 00:23:14,319
find all these negative results. And

644
00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:17,200
there's a bunch of people that are

645
00:23:14,319 --> 00:23:18,240
always undecided voters and those are

646
00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:20,240
the ones that you really want. They're

647
00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:21,440
like, I don't know. I don't know. And

648
00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:22,640
come election night, those are the

649
00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:25,440
people you want to try to grab and it's

650
00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:27,440
it's generally a large percentage. You

651
00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:29,120
can influence an enormous percentage of

652
00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:29,519
those people just with search results.

653
00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:31,519
>> Yeah.

654
00:23:29,519 --> 00:23:32,079
>> Where you can shift an election one way

655
00:23:31,519 --> 00:23:32,798
or another.

656
00:23:32,079 --> 00:23:35,119
>> I believe it.

657
00:23:32,798 --> 00:23:38,558
>> Yeah. And he's demonstrated this and

658
00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:41,359
shown how this is possible. Um that

659
00:23:38,558 --> 00:23:44,240
freaks people out that tech companies

660
00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:47,199
are in control of narratives that tech

661
00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:48,960
companies can censor information

662
00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:50,319
especially tech companies that work in

663
00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:50,960
conjunction with the government.

664
00:23:50,319 --> 00:23:52,639
>> Right?

665
00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:54,240
>> This is what we found out when Elon

666
00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:56,640
purchased Twitter. Right? Right. When

667
00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:58,640
Elon purchased Twitter, we got all this

668
00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:59,919
information from the Twitter files when

669
00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:01,360
all the journalists were allowed to go

670
00:23:59,919 --> 00:24:04,159
through it and they said, "Oh, this is

671
00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:05,918
crazy. You've got the FBI, the CIA,

672
00:24:04,159 --> 00:24:08,240
you've got all these companies, all

673
00:24:05,919 --> 00:24:10,080
these government organizations that are

674
00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:12,400
essentially

675
00:24:10,079 --> 00:24:14,399
controlling the narrative of free speech

676
00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:16,000
in the country. And they're doing it in

677
00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:17,840
a way that benefits them. They're doing

678
00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:19,440
it in a way that benefits what political

679
00:24:17,839 --> 00:24:22,000
parties in charge at the time was the

680
00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:24,240
Biden administration. and they were

681
00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:26,240
allowed to do a bunch of weird [ __ ]

682
00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:28,000
which which should be illegal but it's

683
00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:29,599
not technically illegal.

684
00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:32,798
>> And that freaks people out because

685
00:24:29,599 --> 00:24:34,480
there's no real laws and rules in regard

686
00:24:32,798 --> 00:24:36,158
to what they're allowed to do and what

687
00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:38,079
they're not allowed to do. Like curated

688
00:24:36,159 --> 00:24:39,120
search results should be illegal.

689
00:24:38,079 --> 00:24:41,599
>> They're shaping attention.

690
00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:42,158
>> Yes. Attention. Again, it goes back to

691
00:24:41,599 --> 00:24:43,599
attention, right?

692
00:24:42,159 --> 00:24:47,679
>> They're shaping attention.

693
00:24:43,599 --> 00:24:49,839
>> Yeah. Um it's that's a big concern for

694
00:24:47,679 --> 00:24:52,080
people. And I think then when you find

695
00:24:49,839 --> 00:24:53,678
out that these people are able to amass

696
00:24:52,079 --> 00:24:55,359
enormous sums of wealth and have

697
00:24:53,679 --> 00:24:58,320
incredible amount of power and influence

698
00:24:55,359 --> 00:25:01,678
because of this enormous enormous wealth

699
00:24:58,319 --> 00:25:03,519
and this control over these tech

700
00:25:01,679 --> 00:25:05,360
companies that have essentially become

701
00:25:03,519 --> 00:25:06,079
the town square of the world.

702
00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:08,879
>> Yeah.

703
00:25:06,079 --> 00:25:10,720
>> That freaks people out and that these

704
00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:12,559
very small number of people, you know,

705
00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:14,240
you think of Zuckerberg, you think of

706
00:25:12,558 --> 00:25:16,319
Tim Cook and I don't I don't know who

707
00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:17,200
the new guy is now. Who's the name? John

708
00:25:16,319 --> 00:25:17,678
John Fern,

709
00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:18,558
>> right?

710
00:25:17,679 --> 00:25:19,278
>> Furnace. No,

711
00:25:18,558 --> 00:25:19,519
>> I forget his name.

712
00:25:19,278 --> 00:25:20,240
>> Yeah.

713
00:25:19,519 --> 00:25:21,599
>> Turn.

714
00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:25,359
>> Turn. Turn.

715
00:25:21,599 --> 00:25:28,158
>> But but that kind of thing

716
00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:29,839
gives people a lot of concern, right?

717
00:25:28,159 --> 00:25:33,039
It's like that these people, these

718
00:25:29,839 --> 00:25:35,519
unelected people are in control of a a

719
00:25:33,038 --> 00:25:38,240
giant chunk of

720
00:25:35,519 --> 00:25:40,400
how the world works.

721
00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:42,720
>> I think that this is the existential

722
00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:44,400
question that we are dealing with.

723
00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:46,319
you're going to have five or six

724
00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:49,919
companies

725
00:25:46,319 --> 00:25:51,839
concentrate like whatever power you

726
00:25:49,919 --> 00:25:53,840
think has been concentrated up until

727
00:25:51,839 --> 00:25:55,199
now. I think we're going to look back

728
00:25:53,839 --> 00:25:58,240
and it's going to look like a Sunday

729
00:25:55,200 --> 00:26:00,319
picnic 10 or 15 years from now because

730
00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:02,558
on the one hand it's going to be an even

731
00:26:00,319 --> 00:26:04,000
smaller subset and on the other hand the

732
00:26:02,558 --> 00:26:06,480
capability is going to be an order or

733
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:07,919
two orders of magnitude. So can you

734
00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:09,440
imagine what that must be like? It's

735
00:26:07,919 --> 00:26:12,159
kind of like showing up, getting dropped

736
00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:13,759
into the 1800s, and you've invented the

737
00:26:12,159 --> 00:26:14,960
engine and everybody else's horse and

738
00:26:13,759 --> 00:26:18,480
buggy.

739
00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:20,319
>> You can just decide to your point. That

740
00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:22,798
is where we're going.

741
00:26:20,319 --> 00:26:24,480
>> It's even more crazy. It's like

742
00:26:22,798 --> 00:26:25,918
everybody else is on a horse and buggy

743
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:27,200
and you've got an internet connection

744
00:26:25,919 --> 00:26:28,000
with a cell phone.

745
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:29,200
>> Exactly. Exactly.

746
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:32,240
>> It's even more crazy.

747
00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:35,519
>> Exactly. because it's what we're dealing

748
00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:37,200
with with AI right now is first of all

749
00:26:35,519 --> 00:26:40,158
it's already lowered children's

750
00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:43,679
attention spans and it's shrinking their

751
00:26:40,159 --> 00:26:45,760
capacity to acquire or absorb

752
00:26:43,679 --> 00:26:48,240
information because what they're doing

753
00:26:45,759 --> 00:26:50,000
now is just relying on AI to answer all

754
00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:52,079
their questions for them. Now, is that

755
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:53,519
their fault? Kind of, right? Because it

756
00:26:52,079 --> 00:26:55,359
doesn't have to be that way. You could

757
00:26:53,519 --> 00:26:57,038
still acquire information the

758
00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:58,879
oldfashioned way. You can still learn

759
00:26:57,038 --> 00:27:00,400
things the right way. But a lot of kids

760
00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:01,840
are just concerned with passing

761
00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:03,120
examinations and getting into good

762
00:27:01,839 --> 00:27:05,759
schools. And what they're doing is just

763
00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:07,839
using AI and they're they're getting

764
00:27:05,759 --> 00:27:08,798
better test results, but they're also

765
00:27:07,839 --> 00:27:09,119
not as smart.

766
00:27:08,798 --> 00:27:10,720
>> Yeah.

767
00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:14,798
>> Which is really weird. Yeah.

768
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:19,600
>> It's like we're relying on it like we

769
00:27:14,798 --> 00:27:23,918
you know it's like it's essentially like

770
00:27:19,599 --> 00:27:26,480
replacing our mind. And that's just the

771
00:27:23,919 --> 00:27:28,559
this is the beginning. This is like

772
00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:31,759
these are the toddler days

773
00:27:28,558 --> 00:27:33,359
>> of AI and where it's going to be a super

774
00:27:31,759 --> 00:27:36,798
athlete in a few years.

775
00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:38,719
>> Yeah. I think we have to figure out how

776
00:27:36,798 --> 00:27:40,480
first of all

777
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:42,079
kids need to learn and I think this is

778
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:43,440
where like we have to do a better job as

779
00:27:42,079 --> 00:27:45,359
parents. Kids need to learn how to be

780
00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:46,798
resilient thinkers. I don't even know

781
00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:48,479
what that term meant before, but I know

782
00:27:46,798 --> 00:27:50,558
what it means now, which is like you

783
00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:52,558
take this AI slop and you just kind of

784
00:27:50,558 --> 00:27:54,158
like pass it off. And if like the

785
00:27:52,558 --> 00:27:56,319
teachers and the school system aren't

786
00:27:54,159 --> 00:27:58,799
trained, they're just like, "Wow, this

787
00:27:56,319 --> 00:28:00,558
looks good." They have to be able to

788
00:27:58,798 --> 00:28:02,000
push back. Parents need to be able to

789
00:28:00,558 --> 00:28:03,278
look at this [ __ ] But then all of this

790
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:04,960
stuff, I'm just like so frustrated

791
00:28:03,278 --> 00:28:06,240
because it's like one more thing that I

792
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:06,640
have to do as a parent. Like,

793
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:08,240
>> right?

794
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:09,520
>> Every time technology gets better, it's

795
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:10,159
one more thing, you know,

796
00:28:09,519 --> 00:28:11,599
>> right?

797
00:28:10,159 --> 00:28:13,600
>> We're going to make the world, you know,

798
00:28:11,599 --> 00:28:15,199
super connected and social and all that

799
00:28:13,599 --> 00:28:16,398
stuff. It sounds great to me until I

800
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:18,720
have to be the one that has to tell my

801
00:28:16,398 --> 00:28:20,239
kid I can't they can't get Instagram

802
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:22,399
>> and then they're up my ass every day,

803
00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:23,839
right? you know, and it's just like I

804
00:28:22,398 --> 00:28:24,398
don't want to have to deal with this

805
00:28:23,839 --> 00:28:24,798
stuff,

806
00:28:24,398 --> 00:28:27,038
>> right?

807
00:28:24,798 --> 00:28:29,679
>> I want this to be handled in a way that

808
00:28:27,038 --> 00:28:31,278
just allows me to do what I want to do.

809
00:28:29,679 --> 00:28:32,798
I don't want to say no to my kid. I

810
00:28:31,278 --> 00:28:35,038
don't want to police his schoolwork and

811
00:28:32,798 --> 00:28:36,319
make sure he's not cheating or not

812
00:28:35,038 --> 00:28:40,960
learning and just like, you know,

813
00:28:36,319 --> 00:28:43,038
passing off this AI slop. What am I

814
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:45,278
where are my tax dollars going? Where is

815
00:28:43,038 --> 00:28:47,679
everybody else in all of this? It gets

816
00:28:45,278 --> 00:28:49,440
very frustrating. And again, it goes

817
00:28:47,679 --> 00:28:51,360
back to like this feeling of like, well,

818
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:53,759
is this all getting better for me or is

819
00:28:51,359 --> 00:28:55,359
this kind of like not, you know, people

820
00:28:53,759 --> 00:28:56,879
start to be nostalgic

821
00:28:55,359 --> 00:28:59,199
>> for what it used to be because it was

822
00:28:56,880 --> 00:29:00,640
just simpler, but I think that's a

823
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:03,440
different way of saying easier.

824
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:06,240
>> Well, we're just dealing with we're at

825
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:09,600
the edge of great change. Like great

826
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:10,798
change that has no real understanding of

827
00:29:09,599 --> 00:29:11,359
how it turns out.

828
00:29:10,798 --> 00:29:14,240
>> Yeah.

829
00:29:11,359 --> 00:29:16,558
>> And I think that understandably freaks

830
00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:18,000
people out. Freaks me out. It freaks me

831
00:29:16,558 --> 00:29:19,359
out, but I've kind of gotten to this

832
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:20,000
place where I'm like, well, it's going

833
00:29:19,359 --> 00:29:22,639
to happen.

834
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:24,960
>> Did you see this thing? Um, it's a CEO

835
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:28,559
of Verizon, Dan Schulman. He put out

836
00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:30,480
this very public forecast, you know,

837
00:29:28,558 --> 00:29:32,319
very smart guy, well regarded in

838
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:34,319
business. And I think he said something

839
00:29:32,319 --> 00:29:36,639
like 30%

840
00:29:34,319 --> 00:29:38,079
of all white collar jobs will be gone by

841
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:39,200
2030. I don't know, Jamie, maybe you can

842
00:29:38,079 --> 00:29:39,678
get the exact thing, but it's something

843
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:41,679
like that.

844
00:29:39,679 --> 00:29:43,840
>> That's probably optimistic. And I

845
00:29:41,679 --> 00:29:46,000
thought at first my initial reaction was

846
00:29:43,839 --> 00:29:47,519
like this is totally not credible. But

847
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:48,960
then I'm like hold on a second that's my

848
00:29:47,519 --> 00:29:50,798
bias because I want to believe that

849
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:52,558
that's not possible

850
00:29:50,798 --> 00:29:54,398
>> honestly you know and as I've gotten

851
00:29:52,558 --> 00:29:55,759
older I'm I'm a little bit better now

852
00:29:54,398 --> 00:29:57,038
like okay hold on a second let's weigh

853
00:29:55,759 --> 00:30:00,480
the probabilities. And now I was like

854
00:29:57,038 --> 00:30:04,960
man if I'm going to be fair maybe

855
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:06,399
there's a 10 20% chance of that. There's

856
00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:08,480
a bunch of other outcomes that are much

857
00:30:06,398 --> 00:30:09,759
better than that but that's part of the

858
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:11,278
set of outcomes that you have to

859
00:30:09,759 --> 00:30:13,038
consider.

860
00:30:11,278 --> 00:30:15,038
And then I was like, well, what's my

861
00:30:13,038 --> 00:30:16,558
antidote to that? My and and the only

862
00:30:15,038 --> 00:30:19,119
thing that I can say is don't worry,

863
00:30:16,558 --> 00:30:20,798
it's going to be better.

864
00:30:19,119 --> 00:30:21,199
I don't think that that's a good answer.

865
00:30:20,798 --> 00:30:23,440
>> No.

866
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:27,600
>> So, there has to be like all of this

867
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:29,759
kind of goes back to look, my wife and I

868
00:30:27,599 --> 00:30:32,079
have this conversation. We're like, if

869
00:30:29,759 --> 00:30:35,519
it were up to us, who's who can you

870
00:30:32,079 --> 00:30:37,278
trust to have some super intelligence?

871
00:30:35,519 --> 00:30:38,639
Now, we're biased because we're friends

872
00:30:37,278 --> 00:30:41,519
with him, but the only person that we

873
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:43,840
can trust is Elon because he seems to be

874
00:30:41,519 --> 00:30:45,440
like he has a bigger like it's kind of

875
00:30:43,839 --> 00:30:46,879
like he's like over there. He's like, I

876
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:47,919
need to get to Mars, right?

877
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:49,520
>> You know, and I'm going to first

878
00:30:47,919 --> 00:30:51,360
terraform the moon, but then I'm going

879
00:30:49,519 --> 00:30:53,519
to Mars and I'm going to build like a

880
00:30:51,359 --> 00:30:56,000
[ __ ] magnetic catapult and I got to

881
00:30:53,519 --> 00:30:58,158
do all this [ __ ] and so I just need this

882
00:30:56,000 --> 00:31:01,159
thing. I feel like he's the least

883
00:30:58,159 --> 00:31:01,159
corruptible.

884
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:05,200
He's the most independent thinking

885
00:31:03,679 --> 00:31:07,919
>> and I think he's the one that has a

886
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:10,240
natural empathy for people. Then there

887
00:31:07,919 --> 00:31:11,520
are folks where there's just a in insane

888
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:11,839
profit motive,

889
00:31:11,519 --> 00:31:13,200
>> right?

890
00:31:11,839 --> 00:31:15,278
>> They're less in control of the

891
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:17,519
businesses that they run. Those

892
00:31:15,278 --> 00:31:18,880
businesses are really out over their ski

893
00:31:17,519 --> 00:31:21,038
tips and the amount of money they've

894
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:22,799
gotten from Wall Street and other folks

895
00:31:21,038 --> 00:31:25,359
who expect a return who will put a ton

896
00:31:22,798 --> 00:31:27,599
of pressure on these folks. And if they

897
00:31:25,359 --> 00:31:29,678
get there first, I don't know where the

898
00:31:27,599 --> 00:31:31,278
chips fall. We don't really know. We can

899
00:31:29,679 --> 00:31:33,038
kind of guess. And then you see in the

900
00:31:31,278 --> 00:31:35,278
press

901
00:31:33,038 --> 00:31:36,720
just enough snippets of their reactions

902
00:31:35,278 --> 00:31:38,240
in certain moments where you're like,

903
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:40,558
"Hey, hold on a second. Question mark

904
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:42,399
here." You know, you see OpenAI react

905
00:31:40,558 --> 00:31:44,720
one way, you see Anthropic react another

906
00:31:42,398 --> 00:31:46,319
way, and you're like, "Where is this

907
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:48,798
going to end up?" And the honest answer

908
00:31:46,319 --> 00:31:51,359
is nobody really knows.

909
00:31:48,798 --> 00:31:53,440
So, it comes back to like we need a few

910
00:31:51,359 --> 00:31:55,439
people that can organize. Those guys

911
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:57,919
need to self-organize and actually

912
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:59,759
present a really positive face. And they

913
00:31:57,919 --> 00:32:02,399
need to show

914
00:31:59,759 --> 00:32:05,119
why those 20% of outcomes that Dan

915
00:32:02,398 --> 00:32:07,038
Schulman paints,

916
00:32:05,119 --> 00:32:09,278
the truth is it's possible, but here's

917
00:32:07,038 --> 00:32:11,119
why it's pro not probable,

918
00:32:09,278 --> 00:32:12,558
>> but it's not in their best interest to

919
00:32:11,119 --> 00:32:14,079
do that because it's in their best

920
00:32:12,558 --> 00:32:15,759
interest to generate the most amount of

921
00:32:14,079 --> 00:32:17,439
money possible. That's the obligation

922
00:32:15,759 --> 00:32:18,879
they have to their shareholders. That's

923
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:20,240
the obligation to they have the people

924
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:23,200
that have invested money in this

925
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:25,519
company. They their obligation is not to

926
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:27,120
make sure the white collar jobs stay in

927
00:32:25,519 --> 00:32:28,319
the same place that there are now.

928
00:32:27,119 --> 00:32:28,639
>> That's not that's not true.

929
00:32:28,319 --> 00:32:31,278
>> No.

930
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:34,720
>> No. I I actually think their incentive

931
00:32:31,278 --> 00:32:37,119
should very clearly be to tell people

932
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:39,600
with details and facts why there's a

933
00:32:37,119 --> 00:32:41,599
positive future. And the reason is the

934
00:32:39,599 --> 00:32:43,599
following. Right now there's a vacuum.

935
00:32:41,599 --> 00:32:45,278
There are no facts. And there's

936
00:32:43,599 --> 00:32:46,558
fear-mongering. And then there's this

937
00:32:45,278 --> 00:32:49,200
belief that this is going to be

938
00:32:46,558 --> 00:32:51,519
cataclysmic to human productivity and

939
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:53,440
white color labor and all of this stuff.

940
00:32:51,519 --> 00:32:55,839
>> What's people's natural reaction? Well,

941
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:57,600
today if you look at it,

942
00:32:55,839 --> 00:33:01,119
>> think about AI as a very simple

943
00:32:57,599 --> 00:33:02,398
equation. Energy in, intelligence out.

944
00:33:01,119 --> 00:33:03,839
>> So if you want to cut the head of the

945
00:33:02,398 --> 00:33:05,278
snake, what do you do? You cut off the

946
00:33:03,839 --> 00:33:05,678
energy supply.

947
00:33:05,278 --> 00:33:06,079
>> Right?

948
00:33:05,679 --> 00:33:07,360
>> Okay.

949
00:33:06,079 --> 00:33:09,038
>> If you're afraid

950
00:33:07,359 --> 00:33:09,918
>> of all of this super intelligence

951
00:33:09,038 --> 00:33:11,519
coming,

952
00:33:09,919 --> 00:33:13,679
>> the natural thing to do would be to go

953
00:33:11,519 --> 00:33:15,359
to the point of energy and unplug it.

954
00:33:13,679 --> 00:33:16,960
What is the equivalent of unplugging it

955
00:33:15,359 --> 00:33:20,719
today? It is to go all around the

956
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:23,919
country, find the data centers, protest

957
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:25,600
them, and get them to be mothballled.

958
00:33:23,919 --> 00:33:27,840
That is an incredibly successful

959
00:33:25,599 --> 00:33:31,119
strategy right now.

960
00:33:27,839 --> 00:33:34,319
Today, about 40%

961
00:33:31,119 --> 00:33:38,000
of all of these data centers

962
00:33:34,319 --> 00:33:40,079
that get protested get mothballled.

963
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:40,480
>> You're talking about emerging data

964
00:33:40,079 --> 00:33:41,519
centers.

965
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:43,759
>> Yeah. just like

966
00:33:41,519 --> 00:33:44,880
>> I need to. So if you're one of these

967
00:33:43,759 --> 00:33:46,720
companies, the first thing you should

968
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:50,159
realize is I need to paint a positive

969
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:53,120
vision because 40% of my energy is

970
00:33:50,159 --> 00:33:55,200
getting unplugged every day.

971
00:33:53,119 --> 00:33:56,959
And if that happens, my revenues will

972
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:59,278
crater and my investors will be super

973
00:33:56,960 --> 00:34:02,640
pissed. So the right strategy is what is

974
00:33:59,278 --> 00:34:06,240
the positive fact-based argument? And

975
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:08,159
there are some incredible examples

976
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:10,639
number one. And then number two is you

977
00:34:08,159 --> 00:34:14,240
have to give people some tactical

978
00:34:10,639 --> 00:34:16,240
benefit that they see because AI

979
00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:18,559
differently than

980
00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:21,439
search or differently than social media

981
00:34:18,559 --> 00:34:23,199
there's no exchange of value. Let me let

982
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:27,760
me explain what that means. So let me

983
00:34:23,199 --> 00:34:31,118
just go like so the first thing is that

984
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:34,000
if you can go and actually show people

985
00:34:31,119 --> 00:34:35,119
here's an example of AI. I I I heard

986
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:36,639
about this last night. It's pretty

987
00:34:35,119 --> 00:34:38,639
incredible.

988
00:34:36,639 --> 00:34:42,960
You can now take pictures of a woman's

989
00:34:38,639 --> 00:34:45,280
fallopian tubes and you can see

990
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:46,878
precancer

991
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:50,240
ovarian cysts and all of this stuff

992
00:34:46,878 --> 00:34:53,039
cervical cancer before it forms and then

993
00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:54,719
you can intervene and you can fix it so

994
00:34:53,039 --> 00:34:57,358
that you know women don't get cervical

995
00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:58,959
cancer. In a different example I

996
00:34:57,358 --> 00:35:01,519
actually I told you about this example

997
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:03,760
when I was here before I finally got FDA

998
00:35:01,519 --> 00:35:05,679
approval. Okay, there is a device now

999
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:08,240
that is allowed to be in the operating

1000
00:35:05,679 --> 00:35:11,279
room with you. And if you have a

1001
00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:12,959
cancerous lesion or a tumor inside of

1002
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:15,440
your body, the most important thing when

1003
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:17,838
they go to take it out is make sure you

1004
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:19,039
don't leave any cancer behind. You

1005
00:35:17,838 --> 00:35:22,320
couldn't do it because what would happen

1006
00:35:19,039 --> 00:35:24,079
is you take it out. A doctor is Joe is

1007
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:26,320
literally [ __ ] eyeballing it and

1008
00:35:24,079 --> 00:35:28,800
saying, "Yeah, they send it to a

1009
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:31,680
pathologist. You get an answer in 10

1010
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:33,440
days." for women with breast cancer. A

1011
00:35:31,679 --> 00:35:35,679
third of these women find out that they

1012
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:37,599
have cancer left behind. They go back

1013
00:35:35,679 --> 00:35:40,239
in, they scoop some more stuff out. A

1014
00:35:37,599 --> 00:35:41,838
third of those women. Okay. So, I'm

1015
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:45,358
like, "This is [ __ ] We can solve

1016
00:35:41,838 --> 00:35:47,519
this problem." It took us a long time, a

1017
00:35:45,358 --> 00:35:50,960
lot of money. I had to build an entire

1018
00:35:47,519 --> 00:35:52,960
machine imaging, all of this stuff, AI

1019
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:55,358
algorithms. We had to prove it all. We

1020
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:57,519
finally get approval. Okay. But you know

1021
00:35:55,358 --> 00:35:59,358
how hard it is to tell that story in all

1022
00:35:57,519 --> 00:36:02,880
of the attention that people are looking

1023
00:35:59,358 --> 00:36:06,000
for. It's hard. But those are positive

1024
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:08,720
examples. No more breast cancer,

1025
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:12,320
no more cervical cancer. A different

1026
00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:13,838
example is most drugs in pharma fail,

1027
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:16,000
right?

1028
00:36:13,838 --> 00:36:17,759
And it's a very complicated problem in

1029
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:19,679
pharma. It's kind of like a jigsaw

1030
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:22,320
puzzle of the ultimate complexity. It's

1031
00:36:19,679 --> 00:36:25,039
like think of your human body as like a

1032
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:26,320
Himalayan mountain range. You have to

1033
00:36:25,039 --> 00:36:28,880
design a drug that's an equivalent

1034
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:32,640
Himalayan mountain range that plugs into

1035
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:34,240
it perfectly. One millimeter off,

1036
00:36:32,639 --> 00:36:37,440
you grow like a fourth eye, a third

1037
00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:40,239
nipple, you die. You know, now you can

1038
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:43,440
use computers to make sure that that

1039
00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:45,039
drug handin glove to your body solves

1040
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:47,760
the exact problem. Couldn't do that

1041
00:36:45,039 --> 00:36:51,119
before. So, there's all of these body of

1042
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:54,240
examples and you're probably only

1043
00:36:51,119 --> 00:36:57,200
hearing them superficially at best.

1044
00:36:54,239 --> 00:37:00,239
That should be 99% of the attention is

1045
00:36:57,199 --> 00:37:02,799
showing all of the constructive tactical

1046
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:06,000
ways in which our lives will be better.

1047
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:08,000
Your mom, your daughter, your wife, us,

1048
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:08,559
Jamie, his family, everybody,

1049
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:10,639
>> right?

1050
00:37:08,559 --> 00:37:12,880
>> That's the number one thing. Nobody

1051
00:37:10,639 --> 00:37:14,078
talks about it. I don't understand why.

1052
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:15,760
>> Well, I think because people are

1053
00:37:14,079 --> 00:37:17,839
terrified of losing their jobs. So,

1054
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:19,920
that's the primary concern. The primary

1055
00:37:17,838 --> 00:37:21,199
concern that I hear from people is that

1056
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:22,960
there's so many people that are going to

1057
00:37:21,199 --> 00:37:25,118
school right now, college students, that

1058
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:27,920
don't know if their job is going to even

1059
00:37:25,119 --> 00:37:29,358
exist in four years when they graduate.

1060
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:32,320
>> And that's the second part of I think

1061
00:37:29,358 --> 00:37:34,639
what this industry has to do better.

1062
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:36,240
There's a I had uh lunch with Jeffrey

1063
00:37:34,639 --> 00:37:39,279
Katzenberg. He told this crazy story.

1064
00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:41,519
I'll I'll tell you. It's like Steve Jobs

1065
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:45,280
gets kicked out of Apple.

1066
00:37:41,519 --> 00:37:48,239
um he buys he starts next

1067
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:49,920
and he buys Pixar from George Lucas, but

1068
00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:52,799
then he hits a rough patch and he's got

1069
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:54,639
this, you know, financing issue. Kerberg

1070
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:56,880
flies up,

1071
00:37:54,639 --> 00:38:00,559
spends time with Steve Jobs, says, "I'll

1072
00:37:56,880 --> 00:38:02,160
buy Pixar." Jobs says, "Absolutely not."

1073
00:38:00,559 --> 00:38:03,759
And then Katherenberg proposes a deal

1074
00:38:02,159 --> 00:38:06,799
and he's like, "Uh, how about a

1075
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:08,960
three-picture deal?" Jobs says, "Okay."

1076
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:11,280
He flies back and apparently all the

1077
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:13,119
animators were up in arms because

1078
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:14,640
they're like, "Hold on a second. Steve

1079
00:38:13,119 --> 00:38:17,200
Jobs is going to use these next

1080
00:38:14,639 --> 00:38:19,759
computers to animate this movie." Which

1081
00:38:17,199 --> 00:38:20,879
ultimately became, I think, Toy Story.

1082
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:23,119
And they're like, "This is going to put

1083
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:27,599
all of us out of a job." That perfect

1084
00:38:23,119 --> 00:38:29,760
argument. And people were really upset.

1085
00:38:27,599 --> 00:38:31,119
Roy Disney was upset. All the animators

1086
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:33,359
were upset. And they all went to Mike

1087
00:38:31,119 --> 00:38:36,320
Eisner and they were like, "Michael, you

1088
00:38:33,358 --> 00:38:38,159
need to fire Katzenberg."

1089
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:41,200
And they had a deal which was like,

1090
00:38:38,159 --> 00:38:43,118
"Look, man, you do you, but just give me

1091
00:38:41,199 --> 00:38:44,399
the ability to say no if I think that

1092
00:38:43,119 --> 00:38:46,640
this is you're about to jump off a

1093
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:48,160
cliff." They talk about it and he's

1094
00:38:46,639 --> 00:38:50,319
like, "I got your back. Do the deal.

1095
00:38:48,159 --> 00:38:52,639
Make the movie." They made the movie. It

1096
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:54,720
was a huge success. Fast forward 10

1097
00:38:52,639 --> 00:38:56,559
years, 15 years, there's 10x the number

1098
00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:58,399
of animators.

1099
00:38:56,559 --> 00:39:00,400
Now, it's a small example, but why is

1100
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:02,160
that? You were able to use computers and

1101
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:04,720
now all these new people were able to

1102
00:39:02,159 --> 00:39:06,960
come and participate in that. I get it.

1103
00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:09,199
It's a small example,

1104
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:11,679
but I think if we had better organized

1105
00:39:09,199 --> 00:39:13,759
leadership and we could try to tell some

1106
00:39:11,679 --> 00:39:16,399
of these examples, try to go back and

1107
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:18,320
document how some of these things have

1108
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:21,358
actually helped people, it expanded the

1109
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:23,200
pie, there's a chance. But if we don't,

1110
00:39:21,358 --> 00:39:24,559
I agree with you where we're going to

1111
00:39:23,199 --> 00:39:26,480
end up is everybody basically saying,

1112
00:39:24,559 --> 00:39:28,960
"Hey, hold on a second. This is crazy.

1113
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:31,838
We need to stop this." That's the worst

1114
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:33,838
outcome because that's when you will

1115
00:39:31,838 --> 00:39:35,599
have the a high risk of a dislocation.

1116
00:39:33,838 --> 00:39:37,119
like the worst outcome like the black

1117
00:39:35,599 --> 00:39:38,400
what's the black swan event, right?

1118
00:39:37,119 --> 00:39:41,838
Let's think about the black the black

1119
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:46,639
swan event is when you get a model

1120
00:39:41,838 --> 00:39:49,519
that's good enough to automate a bunch

1121
00:39:46,639 --> 00:39:52,719
of labor

1122
00:39:49,519 --> 00:39:54,880
but not good enough that it can build

1123
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:56,559
new drugs and prevent cancer and make

1124
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:57,680
you live for 200 years and all of this

1125
00:39:56,559 --> 00:40:00,078
other stuff. Right? So there's like a

1126
00:39:57,679 --> 00:40:02,078
gap, right? And if you can stop it here

1127
00:40:00,079 --> 00:40:04,000
and it doesn't get to there, now you do

1128
00:40:02,079 --> 00:40:06,800
have the worst of all worlds. You have

1129
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:08,719
this thing that kind of displaces labor.

1130
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:10,800
No new things come after it because we

1131
00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:12,559
stop innovating.

1132
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:15,200
And that's like a that's like a

1133
00:40:12,559 --> 00:40:16,719
nontrivial possibility now, I think.

1134
00:40:15,199 --> 00:40:18,159
>> No, it's a huge possibility. And then

1135
00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:20,480
there's also this thing that you brought

1136
00:40:18,159 --> 00:40:22,000
up earlier where we have this place of

1137
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:24,639
abundance where no one has to work

1138
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:26,320
anymore. That freaks people out.

1139
00:40:24,639 --> 00:40:29,039
>> I think that's a big problem. Well,

1140
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:31,680
because if no one has to work anymore,

1141
00:40:29,039 --> 00:40:33,599
first of all, what what is your

1142
00:40:31,679 --> 00:40:35,919
identity, right? Because so many people

1143
00:40:33,599 --> 00:40:37,680
their identity is what they do. Whatever

1144
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:39,599
it is, if you're a lawyer, if you're an

1145
00:40:37,679 --> 00:40:41,919
accountant, if you run a business,

1146
00:40:39,599 --> 00:40:44,400
whatever it is, this is your identity.

1147
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:46,320
You know, you have built this thing, you

1148
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:48,559
look forward to going there, you work at

1149
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:50,880
it, you look forward to doing a good job

1150
00:40:48,559 --> 00:40:53,358
and getting rewarded for it. The harder

1151
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:55,358
you work, the more you get paid. There's

1152
00:40:53,358 --> 00:40:58,719
all these incentives built in. And then

1153
00:40:55,358 --> 00:41:01,358
there's this again identity problem. If

1154
00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:03,039
all of a sudden you have universal high

1155
00:41:01,358 --> 00:41:05,759
income, which is what Elon always talks

1156
00:41:03,039 --> 00:41:08,880
about. Well, what gives people purpose

1157
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:10,560
then? Like what? And also if you have a

1158
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:12,400
person whose entire they're, you know,

1159
00:41:10,559 --> 00:41:14,799
43 years old in their entire life,

1160
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:16,318
they've worked towards this idea that

1161
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:18,560
the harder they work, the harder they

1162
00:41:16,318 --> 00:41:20,400
think, the more innovative they are, and

1163
00:41:18,559 --> 00:41:22,960
the the better they are at implementing

1164
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:24,800
these ideas, the more they get rewarded.

1165
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:27,119
And then all a sudden, that's not

1166
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:29,359
necessary anymore, Mike. Time for you to

1167
00:41:27,119 --> 00:41:31,119
just relax and do what you want to do.

1168
00:41:29,358 --> 00:41:33,358
And Mike's like, "Well, this is what I

1169
00:41:31,119 --> 00:41:36,160
do. I this I I don't have any [ __ ]

1170
00:41:33,358 --> 00:41:39,039
hobbies. I I enjoy doing what I do. And

1171
00:41:36,159 --> 00:41:41,519
now what I do is completely useless and

1172
00:41:39,039 --> 00:41:43,358
now I'm on a fixed income." Even if that

1173
00:41:41,519 --> 00:41:44,960
fixed income is a million dollars a

1174
00:41:43,358 --> 00:41:47,519
year, whatever it is.

1175
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:49,358
>> If all of a sudden you are in this

1176
00:41:47,519 --> 00:41:51,440
position where everything is being run

1177
00:41:49,358 --> 00:41:53,199
by computers, you feel useless. You feel

1178
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:56,079
like what am I doing? I'm just I'm just

1179
00:41:53,199 --> 00:41:57,039
taking money. I'm on high welfare,

1180
00:41:56,079 --> 00:41:58,160
>> right?

1181
00:41:57,039 --> 00:41:59,519
>> Like what do I do?

1182
00:41:58,159 --> 00:42:01,118
>> Right? I think that that's a really

1183
00:41:59,519 --> 00:42:01,679
important question to answer. I don't

1184
00:42:01,119 --> 00:42:03,280
know. Like

1185
00:42:01,679 --> 00:42:05,039
>> some people are going to write books.

1186
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:06,640
Some people are going to do art. Some

1187
00:42:05,039 --> 00:42:06,960
people are going to find things to do.

1188
00:42:06,639 --> 00:42:08,480
But

1189
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:12,639
>> what do you think what do you think we

1190
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:15,280
would have done if if we were

1191
00:42:12,639 --> 00:42:17,519
go back to the 1800s example. There was

1192
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:20,240
no office culture.

1193
00:42:17,519 --> 00:42:24,480
You know, there's no like ladder to

1194
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:27,199
climb. How did people find meaning then?

1195
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:29,440
>> Well, they had jobs. People still did

1196
00:42:27,199 --> 00:42:32,000
things. If you're a farmer, you you had

1197
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:33,838
meaning in your labor and what you did

1198
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:35,679
and keeping the animals alive and your

1199
00:42:33,838 --> 00:42:37,279
chores. And there's people that find

1200
00:42:35,679 --> 00:42:37,598
great satisfaction in doing that.

1201
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:38,720
>> Yeah.

1202
00:42:37,599 --> 00:42:40,240
>> You know, you have all these animals

1203
00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:41,519
that rely on you. You have people that

1204
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:43,598
rely on you for the food that you

1205
00:42:41,519 --> 00:42:45,599
generate. There's there's meaning there.

1206
00:42:43,599 --> 00:42:46,960
It doesn't have to be an office to be

1207
00:42:45,599 --> 00:42:49,838
something that gives you purpose and

1208
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:52,400
meaning. But when all that is animated,

1209
00:42:49,838 --> 00:42:54,480
then what happens? Because then you have

1210
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:56,240
no purpose, no meaning other than

1211
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:58,240
recreational activities. Now, if

1212
00:42:56,239 --> 00:42:59,759
everybody just starts playing chess and

1213
00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:01,919
doing a bunch of things that they really

1214
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:04,800
enjoy, I mean, look, there's people that

1215
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:06,240
would love to just play chess. Yeah.

1216
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:07,920
>> You know, it's like eight people.

1217
00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:09,519
>> I don't know about that. I think if

1218
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:11,039
people really got into it, I mean,

1219
00:43:09,519 --> 00:43:12,639
there's a lot of people that get

1220
00:43:11,039 --> 00:43:14,880
addicted to whatever their recreation

1221
00:43:12,639 --> 00:43:16,879
is, like golf or whatever it is. For me,

1222
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:18,640
it's playing pool. You know, if you told

1223
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:20,240
me I never have to make any more money,

1224
00:43:18,639 --> 00:43:23,598
I could just play pool all day. I might

1225
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:25,919
just play pool all day. But I don't know

1226
00:43:23,599 --> 00:43:27,359
how many people think that way. I don't

1227
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:29,440
know how many people would be able to

1228
00:43:27,358 --> 00:43:31,838
find meaning and purpose in a

1229
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:34,480
recreational activity. There's so many

1230
00:43:31,838 --> 00:43:36,639
people where their entire being is

1231
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:37,838
focused around productivity and

1232
00:43:36,639 --> 00:43:39,759
generating more wealth.

1233
00:43:37,838 --> 00:43:42,639
>> What about religion as a source of

1234
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:43,040
meaning? Well, that that would help that

1235
00:43:42,639 --> 00:43:44,400
that

1236
00:43:43,039 --> 00:43:45,759
>> Did you see this article in the New York

1237
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:48,639
Times, I think it was this weekend,

1238
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:50,880
about how popular and sold out churches

1239
00:43:48,639 --> 00:43:51,920
have become as social constructs in New

1240
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:54,000
York City.

1241
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:56,720
>> It was totally fascinating. It's like

1242
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:59,679
young women like dressed to the nines

1243
00:43:56,719 --> 00:44:03,118
going to church on a Sunday

1244
00:43:59,679 --> 00:44:05,199
>> for social belonging, community meaning.

1245
00:44:03,119 --> 00:44:06,960
I thought I was like so fascinated by

1246
00:44:05,199 --> 00:44:09,439
it. I was like, "Wow, that's that's

1247
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:11,920
incredible." cuz like I I if I think if

1248
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:13,838
you graph like just like people's use of

1249
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:14,880
religion as an anchoring part of their

1250
00:44:13,838 --> 00:44:16,639
value system

1251
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:18,960
>> over the last 40 years basically gone to

1252
00:44:16,639 --> 00:44:20,559
zero. You know, nobody nobody celebrates

1253
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:22,159
it the way it's not a part of the

1254
00:44:20,559 --> 00:44:23,519
community the way that it used to be.

1255
00:44:22,159 --> 00:44:25,358
Maybe that's a thing that we have to

1256
00:44:23,519 --> 00:44:27,599
find. There has to be a renewal of some

1257
00:44:25,358 --> 00:44:30,799
older things and then there has to be

1258
00:44:27,599 --> 00:44:32,160
new things that replace it. Um what's

1259
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:33,680
the Chinese answer to this? You know,

1260
00:44:32,159 --> 00:44:35,759
the Chinese have a very orthogonal

1261
00:44:33,679 --> 00:44:37,039
answer to this. If you look at how China

1262
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:40,160
China is organized, it's super

1263
00:44:37,039 --> 00:44:41,599
interesting because they don't reward

1264
00:44:40,159 --> 00:44:43,838
based on the way the American system

1265
00:44:41,599 --> 00:44:47,519
rewards. In fact, it's like almost

1266
00:44:43,838 --> 00:44:49,920
orthogonal where we it's we are rewarded

1267
00:44:47,519 --> 00:44:52,000
with money and rewarded with sort of

1268
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:53,838
fame and recognition

1269
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:56,000
the system, the American capitalist

1270
00:44:53,838 --> 00:44:58,400
system. But if you look inside of China,

1271
00:44:56,000 --> 00:45:00,559
it's constantly testing who has this

1272
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:03,519
judgment. And what they are rewarded

1273
00:45:00,559 --> 00:45:04,880
with is influence and power in a very

1274
00:45:03,519 --> 00:45:06,079
again it's a very specific social

1275
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:07,119
contract doesn't doesn't I don't think

1276
00:45:06,079 --> 00:45:08,880
it's going to work in the United States

1277
00:45:07,119 --> 00:45:13,519
nor am I an advocate of it but it works

1278
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:16,079
for them. You'll start off as like some

1279
00:45:13,519 --> 00:45:17,759
you know lowg person in like some small

1280
00:45:16,079 --> 00:45:20,960
village town somewhere and your job as

1281
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:23,200
like the you know the functionary is to

1282
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:24,720
do good in that community and the more

1283
00:45:23,199 --> 00:45:26,399
you do well you get promoted then you

1284
00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:28,799
get let's say to like a reasonable size

1285
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:30,160
city and you get a budget and now what

1286
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:32,000
happens is you actually become a little

1287
00:45:30,159 --> 00:45:34,000
bit like a VC like a venture capitalist

1288
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:37,358
you're given a budget and you'll get a

1289
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:39,358
memo and it'll say hey Joe uh we have a

1290
00:45:37,358 --> 00:45:41,358
priority over the next 15 years it's

1291
00:45:39,358 --> 00:45:44,078
batteries ries

1292
00:45:41,358 --> 00:45:46,639
and you have enough money, put a team on

1293
00:45:44,079 --> 00:45:48,640
the field. So, you go in your local

1294
00:45:46,639 --> 00:45:49,598
community, you find a bunch of guys,

1295
00:45:48,639 --> 00:45:51,598
you're like, "All right, guys. We're

1296
00:45:49,599 --> 00:45:53,599
going to start a battery company." And

1297
00:45:51,599 --> 00:45:56,000
you do it.

1298
00:45:53,599 --> 00:45:59,200
And let's say they're good and they're

1299
00:45:56,000 --> 00:46:01,280
like innovative. And what happens is in

1300
00:45:59,199 --> 00:46:04,159
the town beside it, that battery company

1301
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:06,240
dies. Now, you kind of subsume the

1302
00:46:04,159 --> 00:46:07,598
capital from Jamie, right? All right,

1303
00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:09,279
cuz Jaime's like, "Fuck, I [ __ ] up

1304
00:46:07,599 --> 00:46:10,800
this thing that I wanted I was told to

1305
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:13,519
do batteries." Okay, Joe, I'm just going

1306
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:16,720
to align with you. And what you happens

1307
00:46:13,519 --> 00:46:19,519
over time is you get this um filtering

1308
00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:21,838
effect. And the people that are better

1309
00:46:19,519 --> 00:46:23,838
at meeting these long run priorities and

1310
00:46:21,838 --> 00:46:25,759
objectives are the ones that are

1311
00:46:23,838 --> 00:46:28,559
celebrated, but they're not celebrated

1312
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:30,400
with, you know, Forbes articles and all

1313
00:46:28,559 --> 00:46:32,960
this other [ __ ] They're just

1314
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:34,559
celebrated by given more responsibility.

1315
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:36,400
And then eventually you get to the upper

1316
00:46:34,559 --> 00:46:38,318
echelons of China and what you have are

1317
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:40,880
folks over a course of 40 or 50 years

1318
00:46:38,318 --> 00:46:43,440
who in their eyes have demonstrated

1319
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:45,519
incredible prowess.

1320
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:47,519
There's a version of that reward system

1321
00:46:45,519 --> 00:46:50,079
which is very foreign to America but

1322
00:46:47,519 --> 00:46:51,759
that's worked for China. Now that also

1323
00:46:50,079 --> 00:46:53,920
works because they're more confusion.

1324
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:57,119
You know we're too individualist.

1325
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:59,280
But my point is like you know there are

1326
00:46:57,119 --> 00:47:01,680
these different ways that we can find of

1327
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:06,240
giving people meaning that don't have to

1328
00:47:01,679 --> 00:47:07,919
be always around money. Um but meanwhile

1329
00:47:06,239 --> 00:47:10,559
I think we have to answer the question

1330
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:12,720
if we are expected to do less we

1331
00:47:10,559 --> 00:47:14,799
probably should not be taxed more.

1332
00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:16,719
That's I think that's like a very basic

1333
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:19,200
in my mind I think that is like that

1334
00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:21,039
must be explored and figured out. And on

1335
00:47:19,199 --> 00:47:24,480
the other side, there's just a ton of

1336
00:47:21,039 --> 00:47:26,880
obvious mechanisms that corporate actors

1337
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:28,480
can use to minimize that. And they

1338
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:29,760
should find offramps, by the way. If

1339
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:31,039
they want to build hospitals, they

1340
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:34,240
shouldn't have to pay taxes. Like that's

1341
00:47:31,039 --> 00:47:35,759
a perfect example, by the way, of like

1342
00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:37,358
the thing in like if you look, if you

1343
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:40,000
walk around New York City, there are

1344
00:47:37,358 --> 00:47:43,039
living tributes to corporate success

1345
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:44,400
that people get benefit from every day.

1346
00:47:43,039 --> 00:47:47,838
The hospitals, the buildings, the

1347
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:51,358
libraries, it's just everywhere.

1348
00:47:47,838 --> 00:47:53,599
We need a version of that. And and I'm

1349
00:47:51,358 --> 00:47:56,159
not a tax expert, but you know, if that

1350
00:47:53,599 --> 00:47:58,400
can be funded by private actors, so go

1351
00:47:56,159 --> 00:47:59,759
directly to the problem. Build a bunch

1352
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:02,079
of libraries, build a bunch of new

1353
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:04,480
universities that, you know, teach kids

1354
00:48:02,079 --> 00:48:05,920
actually how to think or whatever. Build

1355
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:07,358
better hospitals that are, you know,

1356
00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:09,280
there to actually solve the problem.

1357
00:48:07,358 --> 00:48:09,759
These are all things that are possible,

1358
00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:11,359
>> right?

1359
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:13,440
>> But none of it's happening today. Well,

1360
00:48:11,358 --> 00:48:16,400
let's let's go back to what we were

1361
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:18,559
talking about earlier with the taxes and

1362
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:21,039
the fact that you're giving money to a

1363
00:48:18,559 --> 00:48:23,599
broken system. Do you think it's

1364
00:48:21,039 --> 00:48:27,199
possible that AI could show benefit in

1365
00:48:23,599 --> 00:48:29,519
that they can analyze all the data,

1366
00:48:27,199 --> 00:48:32,078
which would be virtually impossible for

1367
00:48:29,519 --> 00:48:34,800
even an office filled with human beings

1368
00:48:32,079 --> 00:48:37,039
paying attention to all of it, and they

1369
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:39,519
could analyze where all the money goes,

1370
00:48:37,039 --> 00:48:42,960
and eliminate all the fraud and waste,

1371
00:48:39,519 --> 00:48:46,079
like recognize it instantaneously. Yes,

1372
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:49,920
>> that would be a great benefit and a way

1373
00:48:46,079 --> 00:48:50,880
to make it so that your taxes directly

1374
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:53,358
benefit people.

1375
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:55,599
>> I'll give you one example of this. So,

1376
00:48:53,358 --> 00:48:57,039
two years ago,

1377
00:48:55,599 --> 00:48:59,119
um, you know, like every few years I'll

1378
00:48:57,039 --> 00:49:00,318
I mean, I invest, but every few years

1379
00:48:59,119 --> 00:49:04,318
I'll start something because I feel

1380
00:49:00,318 --> 00:49:07,039
strongly about it. And there's an effort

1381
00:49:04,318 --> 00:49:09,599
that I made

1382
00:49:07,039 --> 00:49:12,159
to look at all of this old code. Like if

1383
00:49:09,599 --> 00:49:15,119
you think about the world,

1384
00:49:12,159 --> 00:49:17,199
the world runs on software, right? Like

1385
00:49:15,119 --> 00:49:19,838
even though you and I are talking, it's

1386
00:49:17,199 --> 00:49:21,039
piping into Jaime's computer.

1387
00:49:19,838 --> 00:49:22,639
It's all software. Then it goes to

1388
00:49:21,039 --> 00:49:23,759
Spotify, they pump in some ads, they put

1389
00:49:22,639 --> 00:49:27,199
it's all software, right?

1390
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:30,319
>> Software runs everything.

1391
00:49:27,199 --> 00:49:32,558
What percentage of that do you think is

1392
00:49:30,318 --> 00:49:34,480
kind of poorly written? I'm going to say

1393
00:49:32,559 --> 00:49:34,960
probably 80 to 90% of it.

1394
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:38,318
>> Really?

1395
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:40,480
>> Oh, yeah. It's riddled with errors. It's

1396
00:49:38,318 --> 00:49:43,599
riddled with mistakes. The fact that so

1397
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:45,039
many companies exist is an artifact of

1398
00:49:43,599 --> 00:49:47,680
the fact that the thing that came before

1399
00:49:45,039 --> 00:49:49,279
it isn't working.

1400
00:49:47,679 --> 00:49:51,919
Like if you got it right the first time,

1401
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:53,839
it would just kind of move and go. So

1402
00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:56,240
>> how so? What do you mean by that?

1403
00:49:53,838 --> 00:49:57,920
>> So normally if you if you were like I

1404
00:49:56,239 --> 00:49:58,558
want to build a system that does A, B,

1405
00:49:57,920 --> 00:49:59,039
and C,

1406
00:49:58,559 --> 00:50:02,079
>> right?

1407
00:49:59,039 --> 00:50:03,199
>> If I was designing it properly, I would

1408
00:50:02,079 --> 00:50:05,599
sit there with you and I would

1409
00:50:03,199 --> 00:50:06,879
meticulously write down, all right, Joe

1410
00:50:05,599 --> 00:50:09,039
wants to do this. What are the

1411
00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:11,200
implications? Joe wants to do that. What

1412
00:50:09,039 --> 00:50:13,599
are the implications? And I would

1413
00:50:11,199 --> 00:50:16,159
actually write a document that was in

1414
00:50:13,599 --> 00:50:18,640
English before a single line of code has

1415
00:50:16,159 --> 00:50:20,558
been written. This was the when you have

1416
00:50:18,639 --> 00:50:21,759
to design something that can't fail. So

1417
00:50:20,559 --> 00:50:24,240
for example like if you and I are

1418
00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:26,319
designing something for the FAA or for

1419
00:50:24,239 --> 00:50:27,679
you know I hate to say this example

1420
00:50:26,318 --> 00:50:30,639
because it turned out to not exact but

1421
00:50:27,679 --> 00:50:34,000
like you know to fly a plane right you

1422
00:50:30,639 --> 00:50:36,318
are first there to write in English and

1423
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:40,079
the reason is because everybody can then

1424
00:50:36,318 --> 00:50:43,679
swarm that document and see the holes.

1425
00:50:40,079 --> 00:50:46,318
Okay. And it's only then when that stuff

1426
00:50:43,679 --> 00:50:49,279
looks complete and functional do you

1427
00:50:46,318 --> 00:50:52,480
build. We turned that upside down. Over

1428
00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:56,319
the last 30 years,

1429
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:58,318
people in computing invented

1430
00:50:56,318 --> 00:51:00,719
all kinds of ways to shortcut that

1431
00:50:58,318 --> 00:51:02,639
process. And you can say, well, why did

1432
00:51:00,719 --> 00:51:04,558
they do that? Because it would allow you

1433
00:51:02,639 --> 00:51:06,879
to build something faster, make more

1434
00:51:04,559 --> 00:51:09,680
money quickly, and then build more

1435
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:11,280
business. So, the direct response to,

1436
00:51:09,679 --> 00:51:12,799
"Hey, it's going to take us nine months

1437
00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:14,319
to write down the rules." was somebody

1438
00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:15,599
else showed up and says, "Fuck it. I'll

1439
00:51:14,318 --> 00:51:17,759
just grip and rip this thing. I'll be

1440
00:51:15,599 --> 00:51:19,200
done in four months." Who's going to get

1441
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:21,680
the job? The the fourmonth guy is going

1442
00:51:19,199 --> 00:51:24,239
to get the job. So, we've had 30 or 40

1443
00:51:21,679 --> 00:51:27,118
years of that. What are we learning

1444
00:51:24,239 --> 00:51:29,919
about that process?

1445
00:51:27,119 --> 00:51:32,318
It's riddled with software errors, like

1446
00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:34,159
logic errors. It's riddled with security

1447
00:51:32,318 --> 00:51:36,639
errors. I don't know if you saw this

1448
00:51:34,159 --> 00:51:37,679
whole thing like with anthropic mythos.

1449
00:51:36,639 --> 00:51:39,279
What are they uncovering? They're

1450
00:51:37,679 --> 00:51:42,719
uncovering that we wrote a lot of really

1451
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:45,519
shitty code for 40 years.

1452
00:51:42,719 --> 00:51:49,118
So that body of

1453
00:51:45,519 --> 00:51:50,800
of old code, I was like, "Guys, if we're

1454
00:51:49,119 --> 00:51:53,599
going to really figure out how to do all

1455
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:58,079
of this, we need to rewrite all of it."

1456
00:51:53,599 --> 00:51:59,280
So we built we built this thing and um

1457
00:51:58,079 --> 00:52:01,039
it's called the software factory.

1458
00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:02,400
Anyways, the point is there is a

1459
00:52:01,039 --> 00:52:04,400
government organization that we're

1460
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:07,440
working with.

1461
00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:12,358
They gave us a huge corpus of their old

1462
00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:12,358
code and it is

1463
00:52:12,639 --> 00:52:17,920
Unbelievable

1464
00:52:14,719 --> 00:52:21,439
how much complexity and difficulty

1465
00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:22,960
they have to go through to manage all

1466
00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:24,400
the money flows with the system. And

1467
00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:26,079
this is a critical part of the US

1468
00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:28,318
government. So to your point, what I can

1469
00:52:26,079 --> 00:52:30,240
tell you really explicitly is the people

1470
00:52:28,318 --> 00:52:32,079
on the ground want this stuff to be

1471
00:52:30,239 --> 00:52:35,598
better written.

1472
00:52:32,079 --> 00:52:38,318
It's it's less like some nefarious actor

1473
00:52:35,599 --> 00:52:41,280
like, "Oh, I'm going to steal here."

1474
00:52:38,318 --> 00:52:44,079
It's a lot of very brittle, fragile

1475
00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:46,880
code. And when you rewrite it, well,

1476
00:52:44,079 --> 00:52:48,640
first when you document it, you're like,

1477
00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:50,240
it's like the, you know, the pulp

1478
00:52:48,639 --> 00:52:52,879
fiction thing. The suitcase opens, the

1479
00:52:50,239 --> 00:52:55,358
light shines, and you're like, uh, and

1480
00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:57,760
then you can rewrite it and you will

1481
00:52:55,358 --> 00:52:59,279
save. So, I think like as the government

1482
00:52:57,760 --> 00:53:01,599
goes through this process because

1483
00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:03,839
they're forced to or they want to, it

1484
00:53:01,599 --> 00:53:06,559
won't matter.

1485
00:53:03,838 --> 00:53:08,000
You are going to save a ton of money.

1486
00:53:06,559 --> 00:53:11,119
They're going to have to do it, Joe,

1487
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:13,119
because the security risks are too high.

1488
00:53:11,119 --> 00:53:15,838
But what they're going to end up with is

1489
00:53:13,119 --> 00:53:17,838
impregnable code that you can read in

1490
00:53:15,838 --> 00:53:19,440
English and understand. You'll see the

1491
00:53:17,838 --> 00:53:21,039
holes. Those holes will be plugged

1492
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:24,079
because otherwise now you'd be

1493
00:53:21,039 --> 00:53:25,519
committing fraud by letting it be. You

1494
00:53:24,079 --> 00:53:28,079
close the loopholes and there's just

1495
00:53:25,519 --> 00:53:30,239
going to be less money leaking out of

1496
00:53:28,079 --> 00:53:31,839
this bucket. That is an incredible

1497
00:53:30,239 --> 00:53:33,919
byproduct. We're going to live that over

1498
00:53:31,838 --> 00:53:36,239
the next 10 or 20 years just for

1499
00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:38,960
nothing. Like we get it for free.

1500
00:53:36,239 --> 00:53:40,479
Um, and that's happening. So when that

1501
00:53:38,960 --> 00:53:42,880
happens, you're going to see government

1502
00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:44,400
budgets shrink. Now, to your point, will

1503
00:53:42,880 --> 00:53:45,920
they try to spend that extra money in

1504
00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:46,720
other places? Of course. Of course they

1505
00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:48,159
will.

1506
00:53:46,719 --> 00:53:49,759
>> That's the next conversation, which is

1507
00:53:48,159 --> 00:53:51,358
you have to elect people that say

1508
00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:53,599
firewall it.

1509
00:53:51,358 --> 00:53:56,000
>> You know, whatever you save, give it

1510
00:53:53,599 --> 00:53:57,680
back to the people or, you know, invest

1511
00:53:56,000 --> 00:53:59,838
in some scholarship program or free

1512
00:53:57,679 --> 00:54:03,919
medicine or something, but you can't

1513
00:53:59,838 --> 00:54:05,519
spend it on other random [ __ ] Um, but

1514
00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:08,000
that's where we're at. this that's gonna

1515
00:54:05,519 --> 00:54:09,599
happen. It's going to be slow and you

1516
00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:11,039
know but when people start to announce

1517
00:54:09,599 --> 00:54:12,240
these things I think over the next few

1518
00:54:11,039 --> 00:54:14,079
years you're going to be shocked.

1519
00:54:12,239 --> 00:54:15,679
>> So that's the positive upside.

1520
00:54:14,079 --> 00:54:18,480
>> Well that's happening now irregardless

1521
00:54:15,679 --> 00:54:20,960
of whatever else happens.

1522
00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:23,519
There's just it's a lot of old shitty

1523
00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:25,440
code that must get rebuilt from scratch.

1524
00:54:23,519 --> 00:54:27,920
It is getting rebuilt from scratch and

1525
00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:29,039
as a result a lot of these leaky bucket

1526
00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:30,800
problems are getting filled.

1527
00:54:29,039 --> 00:54:32,318
>> So what percentage do you think could be

1528
00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:35,039
fixed?

1529
00:54:32,318 --> 00:54:37,679
I think if if I had to be a betting man,

1530
00:54:35,039 --> 00:54:39,920
I think probably

1531
00:54:37,679 --> 00:54:44,078
30 to 40%

1532
00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:45,599
of the federal budget is leaked out

1533
00:54:44,079 --> 00:54:47,359
>> just from shitty code.

1534
00:54:45,599 --> 00:54:49,119
>> No, meaning like all of the rules and

1535
00:54:47,358 --> 00:54:50,799
like like you can take I'm not saying

1536
00:54:49,119 --> 00:54:52,000
that there isn't fraud,

1537
00:54:50,800 --> 00:54:53,680
>> right?

1538
00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:55,760
>> But I think a lot of times what happens

1539
00:54:53,679 --> 00:54:58,558
is less nefarious than fraud like

1540
00:54:55,760 --> 00:55:00,400
meaning like conspiratorial actors. I

1541
00:54:58,559 --> 00:55:03,119
just think it's like incompetence,

1542
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:03,680
inefficiency, errors. Like for example,

1543
00:55:03,119 --> 00:55:06,160
like

1544
00:55:03,679 --> 00:55:08,318
>> I I saw Doge just say

1545
00:55:06,159 --> 00:55:11,838
>> they were able to like expunge like

1546
00:55:08,318 --> 00:55:13,039
millions of people that were like 150

1547
00:55:11,838 --> 00:55:14,960
years old or more.

1548
00:55:13,039 --> 00:55:17,279
>> Mhm.

1549
00:55:14,960 --> 00:55:20,639
>> I have no idea how much money those

1550
00:55:17,280 --> 00:55:22,079
folks were getting or who they were.

1551
00:55:20,639 --> 00:55:24,078
>> Uh but it's probably a lot. It's

1552
00:55:22,079 --> 00:55:25,760
probably not zero. And now that they got

1553
00:55:24,079 --> 00:55:28,480
rid of it, they're not going to get that

1554
00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:30,240
money anymore. Um

1555
00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:33,519
if you implement something at the state

1556
00:55:30,239 --> 00:55:36,159
level around you know all of this fraud

1557
00:55:33,519 --> 00:55:38,719
prevention for the daycarees and all of

1558
00:55:36,159 --> 00:55:40,719
this other stuff again it's all in

1559
00:55:38,719 --> 00:55:43,519
software because it's not no matter what

1560
00:55:40,719 --> 00:55:45,039
the human wants to do you have to go to

1561
00:55:43,519 --> 00:55:47,519
a computer at some point at least today

1562
00:55:45,039 --> 00:55:49,199
in 2026 and type in something and

1563
00:55:47,519 --> 00:55:50,880
something happens that's documented and

1564
00:55:49,199 --> 00:55:52,879
then the money gets sent right that

1565
00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:55,280
happens there's no other way in in the

1566
00:55:52,880 --> 00:55:57,358
modern world today at scale to steal

1567
00:55:55,280 --> 00:56:00,240
billions of dollars

1568
00:55:57,358 --> 00:56:03,358
And so my point is, as you document all

1569
00:56:00,239 --> 00:56:05,118
of these systems and governments have to

1570
00:56:03,358 --> 00:56:08,000
transparently tell you and me, the

1571
00:56:05,119 --> 00:56:09,200
voting population, here are the rules,

1572
00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:10,960
they're going to plug a lot of these

1573
00:56:09,199 --> 00:56:12,078
holes. And I think as you do that,

1574
00:56:10,960 --> 00:56:14,639
there's just going to be a lot less

1575
00:56:12,079 --> 00:56:15,839
waste and fraud. The question is, who's

1576
00:56:14,639 --> 00:56:17,440
going to take credit for it? Everybody's

1577
00:56:15,838 --> 00:56:19,279
going to try to take credit for it, but

1578
00:56:17,440 --> 00:56:20,798
I think we've started it. I think we've

1579
00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:23,680
we've started this process. And again,

1580
00:56:20,798 --> 00:56:24,960
the reason that people will start is

1581
00:56:23,679 --> 00:56:26,399
because you'll be afraid of China

1582
00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:28,559
hacking these systems. You'll be afraid

1583
00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:30,559
of Iran, North Korea, and you'll say,

1584
00:56:28,559 --> 00:56:31,839
"This system can't stand. All these AI

1585
00:56:30,559 --> 00:56:33,599
models are running around. We're going

1586
00:56:31,838 --> 00:56:35,440
to get breached and penetrated." Then

1587
00:56:33,599 --> 00:56:37,119
they're going to steal all the money.

1588
00:56:35,440 --> 00:56:38,960
And the natural reaction will be, "Okay,

1589
00:56:37,119 --> 00:56:41,680
rewrite it."

1590
00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:44,159
This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp.

1591
00:56:41,679 --> 00:56:46,239
We've all been there. Staying up late,

1592
00:56:44,159 --> 00:56:48,480
stressed about the future. Maybe you're

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worried about finding a job or a looming

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has all of life's answers. And it's a

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sign of strength and self-awareness to

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reach out for help. That's why this

1600
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1617
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That's better. H E LP.com/jre.

1618
00:57:52,159 --> 00:57:56,719
That makes sense. That makes sense that

1619
00:57:54,079 --> 00:57:59,519
the code and having a bunch of errors

1620
00:57:56,719 --> 00:58:02,719
and having a lot of inefficiency and

1621
00:57:59,519 --> 00:58:06,798
just a lot of incompetence. That's going

1622
00:58:02,719 --> 00:58:09,919
to save a lot of money. But

1623
00:58:06,798 --> 00:58:11,280
so you would be doing this with AI

1624
00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:15,200
>> in part.

1625
00:58:11,280 --> 00:58:17,200
What AI allows you to do is like it's

1626
00:58:15,199 --> 00:58:18,879
like um

1627
00:58:17,199 --> 00:58:20,399
you have a textbook. Okay. It's in

1628
00:58:18,880 --> 00:58:20,798
Chinese. You don't know Chinese, right?

1629
00:58:20,400 --> 00:58:22,480
>> No.

1630
00:58:20,798 --> 00:58:23,838
>> Okay. You're like, "Well, this is

1631
00:58:22,480 --> 00:58:26,318
probably doing something important, but

1632
00:58:23,838 --> 00:58:29,679
it's in Chinese." What AI allows you to

1633
00:58:26,318 --> 00:58:31,679
do is back translate that into English.

1634
00:58:29,679 --> 00:58:34,078
You put it through an AI model. You

1635
00:58:31,679 --> 00:58:36,639
teach it. You coach it, right? You can

1636
00:58:34,079 --> 00:58:39,760
parameterize all of it. And out pops

1637
00:58:36,639 --> 00:58:43,598
that same book in English. and now you

1638
00:58:39,760 --> 00:58:45,119
can read it and know that it's accurate.

1639
00:58:43,599 --> 00:58:46,480
That's what we're doing. So, what the AI

1640
00:58:45,119 --> 00:58:48,400
allows you to do is essentially

1641
00:58:46,480 --> 00:58:50,719
translate from this one language that

1642
00:58:48,400 --> 00:58:53,760
you kind of don't understand

1643
00:58:50,719 --> 00:58:56,480
to English.

1644
00:58:53,760 --> 00:58:58,799
By the way, that thing that's happening

1645
00:58:56,480 --> 00:59:01,358
like is actually also a very powerful

1646
00:58:58,798 --> 00:59:03,119
and important trend. Meaning there's all

1647
00:59:01,358 --> 00:59:05,199
of these systems that work in ways that

1648
00:59:03,119 --> 00:59:06,798
you and I don't understand. And part of

1649
00:59:05,199 --> 00:59:08,159
the reason why we don't understand it,

1650
00:59:06,798 --> 00:59:10,400
maybe it's bad software, maybe it's

1651
00:59:08,159 --> 00:59:12,558
fraud, whatever. But nothing can be

1652
00:59:10,400 --> 00:59:14,000
written down. There's no symbolic space.

1653
00:59:12,559 --> 00:59:16,000
There's no English document that says

1654
00:59:14,000 --> 00:59:17,440
this is how the DMV works. This is

1655
00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:19,280
exactly the rules. This is what you can

1656
00:59:17,440 --> 00:59:20,798
expect, Joe Rogan, when you show up at

1657
00:59:19,280 --> 00:59:22,720
the DMV and you give us this thing.

1658
00:59:20,798 --> 00:59:24,079
Here's your SLA. In 3 days, you get a

1659
00:59:22,719 --> 00:59:26,159
driver's license and here's exactly

1660
00:59:24,079 --> 00:59:29,519
what's happening. And here's an app and

1661
00:59:26,159 --> 00:59:31,519
you can follow it. Doesn't happen. Here

1662
00:59:29,519 --> 00:59:33,920
Joe Rogan, here's how my uh insurance

1663
00:59:31,519 --> 00:59:35,280
billing process works. you have this

1664
00:59:33,920 --> 00:59:36,720
condition. I'm going to show you exactly

1665
00:59:35,280 --> 00:59:38,400
why I made this decision. Here's the

1666
00:59:36,719 --> 00:59:41,199
exact rule. Here's the approval or

1667
00:59:38,400 --> 00:59:42,798
denial from CMS. Follow it through and

1668
00:59:41,199 --> 00:59:44,639
tell me if you agree or not. None of

1669
00:59:42,798 --> 00:59:47,199
that exists.

1670
00:59:44,639 --> 00:59:48,879
But it is possible. And the first step

1671
00:59:47,199 --> 00:59:51,039
in doing that is taking all of this

1672
00:59:48,880 --> 00:59:52,640
legacy [ __ ] that we deal with and

1673
00:59:51,039 --> 00:59:54,480
translating it into English and reading

1674
00:59:52,639 --> 00:59:56,318
it and saying, is this how we want it to

1675
00:59:54,480 --> 00:59:58,318
work?

1676
00:59:56,318 --> 01:00:00,558
That's going to eliminate an enormous

1677
00:59:58,318 --> 01:00:02,719
amount of all the things that frustrate

1678
01:00:00,559 --> 01:00:03,760
us. So this would require human

1679
01:00:02,719 --> 01:00:04,318
oversight.

1680
01:00:03,760 --> 01:00:05,599
>> Absolutely.

1681
01:00:04,318 --> 01:00:08,000
>> All right. So

1682
01:00:05,599 --> 01:00:09,440
>> and so then it's also going to be who's

1683
01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:11,280
watching the watchers.

1684
01:00:09,440 --> 01:00:12,960
>> Yeah. Okay. This is a great question.

1685
01:00:11,280 --> 01:00:14,720
Okay. So I'll tell you how this

1686
01:00:12,960 --> 01:00:16,960
government agency's doing it.

1687
01:00:14,719 --> 01:00:20,399
>> This is a really fascinating way because

1688
01:00:16,960 --> 01:00:22,720
I think it's very smart.

1689
01:00:20,400 --> 01:00:24,318
They came to us and they came to another

1690
01:00:22,719 --> 01:00:26,639
very well-known company. You can

1691
01:00:24,318 --> 01:00:28,079
probably guess what it is. Okay. And

1692
01:00:26,639 --> 01:00:30,639
they're like, "Guys, you're kind of in a

1693
01:00:28,079 --> 01:00:32,000
foot race, but you're not competing

1694
01:00:30,639 --> 01:00:34,078
against each other. You think of

1695
01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:36,318
yourselves as frenemies.

1696
01:00:34,079 --> 01:00:37,680
So, here's this Chinese document. You're

1697
01:00:36,318 --> 01:00:39,199
going to translate it for us. There's

1698
01:00:37,679 --> 01:00:41,759
going to be your version of English and

1699
01:00:39,199 --> 01:00:43,679
these guys' version of English. And

1700
01:00:41,760 --> 01:00:45,040
every time it's the same, we're going to

1701
01:00:43,679 --> 01:00:47,598
look at it together, and we're going to

1702
01:00:45,039 --> 01:00:50,318
agree or not. Okay, this is exactly how

1703
01:00:47,599 --> 01:00:54,000
we want this to work."

1704
01:00:50,318 --> 01:00:56,318
When yours says the dog is red and his

1705
01:00:54,000 --> 01:00:58,559
says the dog is yellow, we're going to

1706
01:00:56,318 --> 01:01:01,358
sit and literally inspect it and we're

1707
01:00:58,559 --> 01:01:04,000
going to figure out why you said red and

1708
01:01:01,358 --> 01:01:07,358
why you said yellow.

1709
01:01:04,000 --> 01:01:09,519
And then if you say the cat is red, the

1710
01:01:07,358 --> 01:01:11,519
dog is yellow. So it's totally wrong,

1711
01:01:09,519 --> 01:01:14,000
right? Like you've gotten, you know, or

1712
01:01:11,519 --> 01:01:16,880
like the cat is red, I want an apple,

1713
01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:19,519
whatever. We're going to double and

1714
01:01:16,880 --> 01:01:22,559
triple down on those kinds of errors.

1715
01:01:19,519 --> 01:01:24,559
and they do it not in public but in this

1716
01:01:22,559 --> 01:01:26,000
large community where there's like

1717
01:01:24,559 --> 01:01:28,319
technical people from all different

1718
01:01:26,000 --> 01:01:32,000
parts and they're just swarming this

1719
01:01:28,318 --> 01:01:34,960
problem. It is it's incredible to see.

1720
01:01:32,000 --> 01:01:38,239
And so what happens is you get humans

1721
01:01:34,960 --> 01:01:39,920
that get to use this tool but ultimately

1722
01:01:38,239 --> 01:01:42,318
it's our judgment and it's done

1723
01:01:39,920 --> 01:01:44,480
transparently. So what happens is you

1724
01:01:42,318 --> 01:01:46,318
can't you know hey man put this [ __ ]

1725
01:01:44,480 --> 01:01:48,318
rule in there like the dog is yellow

1726
01:01:46,318 --> 01:01:51,679
just just make the dog yellow. can't do

1727
01:01:48,318 --> 01:01:53,119
it because now you have tens of people,

1728
01:01:51,679 --> 01:01:56,078
hundreds of people, and then it gets

1729
01:01:53,119 --> 01:01:57,200
documented. Um, it's super fascinating.

1730
01:01:56,079 --> 01:01:58,480
I'm not saying this is how it's going to

1731
01:01:57,199 --> 01:01:59,838
work in 10 years, but I'm telling you,

1732
01:01:58,480 --> 01:02:03,760
it's literally what's happening right

1733
01:01:59,838 --> 01:02:06,000
now. And I think that thing alone will

1734
01:02:03,760 --> 01:02:07,680
be tens of billions of dollars and could

1735
01:02:06,000 --> 01:02:10,798
be hundreds of billions of dollars of

1736
01:02:07,679 --> 01:02:12,480
savings when it's fully done.

1737
01:02:10,798 --> 01:02:14,798
And it's a lot of people from all walks

1738
01:02:12,480 --> 01:02:16,880
of life, all political persuasions, and

1739
01:02:14,798 --> 01:02:18,880
they're just in it. It's the government.

1740
01:02:16,880 --> 01:02:21,440
It's a handful of us private companies.

1741
01:02:18,880 --> 01:02:23,039
It's super cool to see. It's like it's

1742
01:02:21,440 --> 01:02:24,639
like, okay, we're actually going to do

1743
01:02:23,039 --> 01:02:27,358
something here. Like, this is this is

1744
01:02:24,639 --> 01:02:27,920
nice. Um, it's it's really it's really

1745
01:02:27,358 --> 01:02:29,519
cool.

1746
01:02:27,920 --> 01:02:31,039
>> So, that's interesting in terms of the

1747
01:02:29,519 --> 01:02:34,400
current moment. So, in the current

1748
01:02:31,039 --> 01:02:37,358
moment, you're able to implement this.

1749
01:02:34,400 --> 01:02:39,440
You're you're able to find fraud and

1750
01:02:37,358 --> 01:02:41,039
waste and all these problems that exist

1751
01:02:39,440 --> 01:02:44,960
and all these errors and shitty

1752
01:02:41,039 --> 01:02:47,440
software. Once that's all been done,

1753
01:02:44,960 --> 01:02:48,720
>> Yeah. Then what happens?

1754
01:02:47,440 --> 01:02:50,798
>> No [ __ ] clue.

1755
01:02:48,719 --> 01:02:53,679
>> Yeah. So, this is where it gets weird,

1756
01:02:50,798 --> 01:02:56,318
right? Because

1757
01:02:53,679 --> 01:02:58,639
when when you're dealing with AI models

1758
01:02:56,318 --> 01:03:00,318
that are capable of doing things that no

1759
01:02:58,639 --> 01:03:04,480
individual human being could ever

1760
01:03:00,318 --> 01:03:07,039
possibly imagine. And then you task it

1761
01:03:04,480 --> 01:03:10,079
with a solution or with a problem. Find

1762
01:03:07,039 --> 01:03:13,440
a solution for this. And then it starts

1763
01:03:10,079 --> 01:03:15,839
figuring out ways to trim this and

1764
01:03:13,440 --> 01:03:18,079
implement that.

1765
01:03:15,838 --> 01:03:20,798
We have to make sure that these AIs act

1766
01:03:18,079 --> 01:03:22,480
within they act within the best

1767
01:03:20,798 --> 01:03:23,358
interests of the human race.

1768
01:03:22,480 --> 01:03:25,679
>> Agreed.

1769
01:03:23,358 --> 01:03:29,358
>> Right. Not the company, not the

1770
01:03:25,679 --> 01:03:30,960
government, not but the human race. And

1771
01:03:29,358 --> 01:03:32,480
you're also dealing with China. You're

1772
01:03:30,960 --> 01:03:34,318
also dealing with Russia. you're dealing

1773
01:03:32,480 --> 01:03:37,039
with other countries that are also in

1774
01:03:34,318 --> 01:03:40,000
this mad race to create artificial

1775
01:03:37,039 --> 01:03:42,559
general super intelligence that if we

1776
01:03:40,000 --> 01:03:44,639
keep shutting down data centers, we keep

1777
01:03:42,559 --> 01:03:45,359
hamstring ourselves, China's not doing

1778
01:03:44,639 --> 01:03:46,400
that.

1779
01:03:45,358 --> 01:03:49,119
>> They're not doing that. They're doing

1780
01:03:46,400 --> 01:03:51,119
the opposite. They're generating as much

1781
01:03:49,119 --> 01:03:53,440
revenue that goes towards this problem

1782
01:03:51,119 --> 01:03:56,240
as possible. They're putting all the

1783
01:03:53,440 --> 01:03:58,480
efforts, the the country, the

1784
01:03:56,239 --> 01:04:00,879
government, and these corporations work

1785
01:03:58,480 --> 01:04:02,159
hand in glove in order to achieve a

1786
01:04:00,880 --> 01:04:03,119
goal. We do not.

1787
01:04:02,159 --> 01:04:05,519
>> No.

1788
01:04:03,119 --> 01:04:07,680
>> And that that becomes a problem if you

1789
01:04:05,519 --> 01:04:09,280
want to be competitive with these other

1790
01:04:07,679 --> 01:04:10,480
countries that are trying to achieve the

1791
01:04:09,280 --> 01:04:12,798
same result as us. And then you have

1792
01:04:10,480 --> 01:04:14,480
espionage. Then you have a bunch of

1793
01:04:12,798 --> 01:04:17,599
people that are stealing information.

1794
01:04:14,480 --> 01:04:20,960
You have a bunch of people that are CCP

1795
01:04:17,599 --> 01:04:23,359
um members that are actually involved in

1796
01:04:20,960 --> 01:04:25,199
companies. And you find out that they're

1797
01:04:23,358 --> 01:04:27,440
siphoning off data and that they're

1798
01:04:25,199 --> 01:04:31,519
sharing information and tech secrets.

1799
01:04:27,440 --> 01:04:33,519
>> They're um look, here's a

1800
01:04:31,519 --> 01:04:36,000
They're pro they're dis the way that the

1801
01:04:33,519 --> 01:04:39,440
Chinese models work the Chinese claim.

1802
01:04:36,000 --> 01:04:42,318
So America's closed source, meaning you

1803
01:04:39,440 --> 01:04:43,599
got your own thing. Your recipe is

1804
01:04:42,318 --> 01:04:43,920
completely secret,

1805
01:04:43,599 --> 01:04:45,760
>> right?

1806
01:04:43,920 --> 01:04:48,159
>> Okay. I have my own thing. My recipe is

1807
01:04:45,760 --> 01:04:51,440
totally secret.

1808
01:04:48,159 --> 01:04:55,279
China uses this word called open source,

1809
01:04:51,440 --> 01:04:56,880
but it's not open source. So they say,

1810
01:04:55,280 --> 01:04:58,880
"Here's how I make my thing. You can see

1811
01:04:56,880 --> 01:05:00,318
it. Super transparent." What it is is

1812
01:04:58,880 --> 01:05:02,400
more like open weights, which is like in

1813
01:05:00,318 --> 01:05:05,440
a recipe. It tells you, you know, you

1814
01:05:02,400 --> 01:05:08,240
need sugar, you need butter. Well, how

1815
01:05:05,440 --> 01:05:09,440
much sugar? And they'll say, you know,

1816
01:05:08,239 --> 01:05:10,719
so much. But then they don't say it's

1817
01:05:09,440 --> 01:05:11,920
brown sugar. They don't say it's white

1818
01:05:10,719 --> 01:05:13,358
sugar. So there's all these different

1819
01:05:11,920 --> 01:05:14,798
ways where they kind of give you this

1820
01:05:13,358 --> 01:05:17,038
perception that it's completely

1821
01:05:14,798 --> 01:05:19,920
transparent, but it's somewhat

1822
01:05:17,039 --> 01:05:22,000
transparent. So just in the level set,

1823
01:05:19,920 --> 01:05:24,639
nobody in the world has a functional

1824
01:05:22,000 --> 01:05:28,239
open- source model other than maybe

1825
01:05:24,639 --> 01:05:30,000
Nvidia, which is any good in the league

1826
01:05:28,239 --> 01:05:31,759
of the closed source models and the

1827
01:05:30,000 --> 01:05:33,440
openweight models of the Chinese. Okay,

1828
01:05:31,760 --> 01:05:34,640
so the Chinese openweight models are

1829
01:05:33,440 --> 01:05:37,920
great.

1830
01:05:34,639 --> 01:05:40,078
the closed source models of America are

1831
01:05:37,920 --> 01:05:43,440
great and then there's a couple open-

1832
01:05:40,079 --> 01:05:46,240
source like fully open that are kind of

1833
01:05:43,440 --> 01:05:48,720
catching up. Um the thing between

1834
01:05:46,239 --> 01:05:52,318
America and China what I find so

1835
01:05:48,719 --> 01:05:53,519
fascinating is this following conundrum

1836
01:05:52,318 --> 01:05:55,920
that everybody is going to find

1837
01:05:53,519 --> 01:05:57,920
themselves in.

1838
01:05:55,920 --> 01:05:59,760
I think like if you think of like an

1839
01:05:57,920 --> 01:06:02,400
analogy,

1840
01:05:59,760 --> 01:06:04,000
America's like a planet, China's like a

1841
01:06:02,400 --> 01:06:07,920
planet

1842
01:06:04,000 --> 01:06:09,920
and around us are these moons.

1843
01:06:07,920 --> 01:06:12,079
And I'm just using the AI analogy. So in

1844
01:06:09,920 --> 01:06:13,599
AI, what do you need? I think there's

1845
01:06:12,079 --> 01:06:15,680
like four or five things you need. Okay,

1846
01:06:13,599 --> 01:06:18,880
the first thing you need is a [ __ ] ton

1847
01:06:15,679 --> 01:06:20,480
of money. So we need essentially the

1848
01:06:18,880 --> 01:06:22,798
banks, right? Like the Game of Thrones

1849
01:06:20,480 --> 01:06:24,079
thing. We need like we need, you know,

1850
01:06:22,798 --> 01:06:26,400
>> we need the iron bank,

1851
01:06:24,079 --> 01:06:28,000
>> right? feed us the money because that's

1852
01:06:26,400 --> 01:06:30,880
what we use to buy everything and make

1853
01:06:28,000 --> 01:06:34,079
everything. So, we need that. We need a

1854
01:06:30,880 --> 01:06:38,160
ton of data. Okay, there's ways to get

1855
01:06:34,079 --> 01:06:40,798
that. We need a ton of very specific

1856
01:06:38,159 --> 01:06:44,159
rare earths and critical metals and

1857
01:06:40,798 --> 01:06:48,000
materials. Um, we need a ton of power.

1858
01:06:44,159 --> 01:06:49,519
So, so and there are specific countries

1859
01:06:48,000 --> 01:06:51,280
that are going to be really good at

1860
01:06:49,519 --> 01:06:52,880
giving that to us. So if you look at the

1861
01:06:51,280 --> 01:06:54,720
UAE,

1862
01:06:52,880 --> 01:06:57,599
they are going to be the preeminent

1863
01:06:54,719 --> 01:06:59,279
banking partner of the Western world.

1864
01:06:57,599 --> 01:07:01,119
They are going to replace and be what

1865
01:06:59,280 --> 01:07:04,400
Switzerland was over the last 50 years

1866
01:07:01,119 --> 01:07:07,519
for the next 50. That's happening today.

1867
01:07:04,400 --> 01:07:10,880
If you look at Canada and Australia,

1868
01:07:07,519 --> 01:07:12,559
the small political fissures aside, they

1869
01:07:10,880 --> 01:07:14,400
are the two most important ways in which

1870
01:07:12,559 --> 01:07:16,559
we get access to the critical metals and

1871
01:07:14,400 --> 01:07:18,480
materials that without which we get

1872
01:07:16,559 --> 01:07:22,079
[ __ ] because China owns, you know, can

1873
01:07:18,480 --> 01:07:24,000
just strangle us. Okay? So, you have

1874
01:07:22,079 --> 01:07:26,160
these like moons around the United

1875
01:07:24,000 --> 01:07:28,559
States, but there's like five countries,

1876
01:07:26,159 --> 01:07:30,639
six countries, and there's a worldview

1877
01:07:28,559 --> 01:07:33,039
that says in China has the same thing,

1878
01:07:30,639 --> 01:07:34,480
you know, um they have Taiwan, that's

1879
01:07:33,039 --> 01:07:35,760
complicated for us. So now we have a

1880
01:07:34,480 --> 01:07:37,119
moon that we don't really have an answer

1881
01:07:35,760 --> 01:07:39,359
for, which is what happens, you know,

1882
01:07:37,119 --> 01:07:42,000
for all these super advanced chips.

1883
01:07:39,358 --> 01:07:43,920
Where do they get their money? Maybe

1884
01:07:42,000 --> 01:07:45,599
Russia becomes their bank. Where do they

1885
01:07:43,920 --> 01:07:47,200
get their critical metals? Maybe it's

1886
01:07:45,599 --> 01:07:49,039
Indonesia, right? Who has a ton of

1887
01:07:47,199 --> 01:07:51,118
natural resources? And then you get into

1888
01:07:49,039 --> 01:07:53,280
this game theory, which is what happens

1889
01:07:51,119 --> 01:07:55,519
to every other country? Because there's

1890
01:07:53,280 --> 01:07:59,440
190 countries. You have 10 that kind of

1891
01:07:55,519 --> 01:08:01,679
divide up. What do the other 180 do? And

1892
01:07:59,440 --> 01:08:03,200
you have to kind of sort yourself.

1893
01:08:01,679 --> 01:08:05,838
You're like, "Am I on team America or am

1894
01:08:03,199 --> 01:08:07,439
I on team China?" And you probably have

1895
01:08:05,838 --> 01:08:09,440
to go to people and say, "Well, here's

1896
01:08:07,440 --> 01:08:11,358
what I can give you." You know, if

1897
01:08:09,440 --> 01:08:12,720
you're Indonesia, you're like, you

1898
01:08:11,358 --> 01:08:15,519
probably want to be on team America

1899
01:08:12,719 --> 01:08:17,119
quite badly. This is why the whole Trump

1900
01:08:15,519 --> 01:08:20,000
tariff thing is so interesting because

1901
01:08:17,119 --> 01:08:21,519
it's like this accidental way of

1902
01:08:20,000 --> 01:08:23,039
figuring out that this is actually this

1903
01:08:21,520 --> 01:08:24,719
new sorting function that's happening in

1904
01:08:23,039 --> 01:08:27,039
global politics. Like that's happening

1905
01:08:24,719 --> 01:08:29,279
today because these countries are like,

1906
01:08:27,039 --> 01:08:32,640
"Holy [ __ ] if somebody invents a super

1907
01:08:29,279 --> 01:08:34,640
intelligence and I don't have it, how am

1908
01:08:32,640 --> 01:08:36,480
I going to keep my people healthy? How

1909
01:08:34,640 --> 01:08:40,239
am I going to educate my people?" Like,

1910
01:08:36,479 --> 01:08:41,759
I'm originally from Sri Lanka.

1911
01:08:40,238 --> 01:08:43,838
What the [ __ ] does Sri Lanka have to

1912
01:08:41,759 --> 01:08:46,479
offer? Like, if you were sitting there,

1913
01:08:43,838 --> 01:08:50,158
they should be thinking, "Oh man, what

1914
01:08:46,479 --> 01:08:53,119
what do I have?" Well, I have a critical

1915
01:08:50,158 --> 01:08:55,358
piece of territory for like naval

1916
01:08:53,119 --> 01:08:56,960
navigation.

1917
01:08:55,359 --> 01:08:58,560
And then what do you do? You probably go

1918
01:08:56,960 --> 01:09:00,158
to America and say, "Listen, let's

1919
01:08:58,560 --> 01:09:01,600
figure out a package. Get the IMF

1920
01:09:00,158 --> 01:09:03,599
involved. Give me some cash. I'll let

1921
01:09:01,600 --> 01:09:05,359
you kind of keep your warships there."

1922
01:09:03,600 --> 01:09:06,960
So, there's this game theory that we're

1923
01:09:05,359 --> 01:09:08,400
about to go through because of AI

1924
01:09:06,960 --> 01:09:11,679
because it's going to, I think, sort

1925
01:09:08,399 --> 01:09:13,198
people into these bipolar world.

1926
01:09:11,679 --> 01:09:16,000
I actually think it makes us safer

1927
01:09:13,198 --> 01:09:19,198
afterwards. I don't think it makes us

1928
01:09:16,000 --> 01:09:21,838
less safe. I think it actually makes us

1929
01:09:19,198 --> 01:09:23,519
more safe because if you have these

1930
01:09:21,838 --> 01:09:25,278
resources that build up on both sides,

1931
01:09:23,520 --> 01:09:28,239
there's more of a likelihood of a mutual

1932
01:09:25,279 --> 01:09:30,000
det. And we're very different. So, we're

1933
01:09:28,238 --> 01:09:32,718
less likely to fight over similar

1934
01:09:30,000 --> 01:09:35,198
resources. Meaning, we're like the

1935
01:09:32,719 --> 01:09:37,359
liberal democracy, you know, we're like

1936
01:09:35,198 --> 01:09:39,039
the free market.

1937
01:09:37,359 --> 01:09:41,759
They, you know, we're individualist.

1938
01:09:39,039 --> 01:09:44,000
they're confusion, society oriented, you

1939
01:09:41,759 --> 01:09:46,079
know, reputation,

1940
01:09:44,000 --> 01:09:47,920
power focused, less really money

1941
01:09:46,079 --> 01:09:49,519
focused. So there's a lot of ways where

1942
01:09:47,920 --> 01:09:52,319
we're orthogonal enough where if that

1943
01:09:49,520 --> 01:09:54,560
sorting function happens, it's probably

1944
01:09:52,319 --> 01:09:56,080
a safer place, not a more dangerous

1945
01:09:54,560 --> 01:09:57,760
place. We have the models that can

1946
01:09:56,079 --> 01:09:59,039
attack them. They have the models that

1947
01:09:57,760 --> 01:10:00,800
can attack us. We kind of decide to

1948
01:09:59,039 --> 01:10:02,960
leave each other alone.

1949
01:10:00,800 --> 01:10:04,159
>> This is ultimate best case scenario.

1950
01:10:02,960 --> 01:10:05,840
>> Ultimate best case scenario.

1951
01:10:04,158 --> 01:10:09,279
>> What's ultimate worst case scenario?

1952
01:10:05,840 --> 01:10:10,800
>> I think the worst case scenario is they

1953
01:10:09,279 --> 01:10:12,719
So the way that they train their models

1954
01:10:10,800 --> 01:10:15,119
is very important. What they actually do

1955
01:10:12,719 --> 01:10:16,719
is they do what's called distillation.

1956
01:10:15,119 --> 01:10:21,119
What does that mean? That means that

1957
01:10:16,719 --> 01:10:22,719
they send out call it a billion agents

1958
01:10:21,119 --> 01:10:25,920
not just from China but from everywhere

1959
01:10:22,719 --> 01:10:28,158
right? They mask the their IPs and they

1960
01:10:25,920 --> 01:10:30,800
bash on these models and they put you

1961
01:10:28,158 --> 01:10:32,479
know the US models Grock, OpenAI,

1962
01:10:30,800 --> 01:10:35,119
Gemini,

1963
01:10:32,479 --> 01:10:37,519
Anthropic and they ask it every random

1964
01:10:35,119 --> 01:10:40,399
imaginable question possible.

1965
01:10:37,520 --> 01:10:42,960
they get the answer and they collect it.

1966
01:10:40,399 --> 01:10:44,319
So they're using these our models as a

1967
01:10:42,960 --> 01:10:46,158
way to train their models, they're

1968
01:10:44,319 --> 01:10:49,920
shortcircuiting, you know, some of the

1969
01:10:46,158 --> 01:10:54,158
hard parts. Um, so they're already in

1970
01:10:49,920 --> 01:10:56,319
that world. If they then are able to get

1971
01:10:54,158 --> 01:10:58,960
to a level of intelligence that's equal

1972
01:10:56,319 --> 01:11:01,439
to the United States, it will really

1973
01:10:58,960 --> 01:11:04,239
depend on who the leader is there that

1974
01:11:01,439 --> 01:11:06,399
wants to allocate that. Meaning if they

1975
01:11:04,238 --> 01:11:09,279
say that we are going to do something

1976
01:11:06,399 --> 01:11:12,079
really nefarious and shady then I think

1977
01:11:09,279 --> 01:11:13,679
it devolves very quickly. So the worst

1978
01:11:12,079 --> 01:11:16,719
case scenario so the best case scenario

1979
01:11:13,679 --> 01:11:18,640
is peace prosperity basically like a

1980
01:11:16,719 --> 01:11:20,960
standown right mutually assured

1981
01:11:18,640 --> 01:11:22,480
destruction.

1982
01:11:20,960 --> 01:11:25,600
I think the worst case scenario is

1983
01:11:22,479 --> 01:11:27,839
there's a we seek one of us seeks global

1984
01:11:25,600 --> 01:11:30,079
dominance in which case we're we're

1985
01:11:27,840 --> 01:11:33,119
headed to conflict

1986
01:11:30,079 --> 01:11:35,679
and that conflict I think is um that's

1987
01:11:33,119 --> 01:11:37,599
very dangerous incredibly dangerous

1988
01:11:35,679 --> 01:11:39,279
that's sort of like existential I think

1989
01:11:37,600 --> 01:11:43,760
because it's the the grade of the

1990
01:11:39,279 --> 01:11:45,920
weapons that will be used to to to

1991
01:11:43,760 --> 01:11:47,440
fight that

1992
01:11:45,920 --> 01:11:50,719
is we're not talking about [ __ ]

1993
01:11:47,439 --> 01:11:54,158
bullets it's like we're so past that

1994
01:11:50,719 --> 01:11:56,399
it's like hypersonics, it's nuclear,

1995
01:11:54,158 --> 01:11:58,399
it's it's

1996
01:11:56,399 --> 01:12:01,119
and it's not even like like nuclear is

1997
01:11:58,399 --> 01:12:03,119
not that's like a word, but there's like

1998
01:12:01,119 --> 01:12:04,479
there's a gradation of the severity of

1999
01:12:03,119 --> 01:12:05,840
these weapons that could be created. And

2000
01:12:04,479 --> 01:12:08,479
then if you can marry them together and

2001
01:12:05,840 --> 01:12:10,400
deliver them in minutes and then there's

2002
01:12:08,479 --> 01:12:12,479
a cyber threat. Then there's the drones

2003
01:12:10,399 --> 01:12:15,198
and how how you can kind of like swarm

2004
01:12:12,479 --> 01:12:17,359
an entire country. Then there's um the

2005
01:12:15,198 --> 01:12:19,919
robots which effectively are war

2006
01:12:17,359 --> 01:12:23,599
fighters. um they're one step away,

2007
01:12:19,920 --> 01:12:26,960
right? Once you weaponize them, um it

2008
01:12:23,600 --> 01:12:27,840
just becomes very very very complicated

2009
01:12:26,960 --> 01:12:29,840
very quickly.

2010
01:12:27,840 --> 01:12:32,960
>> And then there's a question of whether

2011
01:12:29,840 --> 01:12:36,159
or not AI is willing to take instruction

2012
01:12:32,960 --> 01:12:39,920
after a certain point.

2013
01:12:36,158 --> 01:12:42,879
I mean if it achieves sensience and

2014
01:12:39,920 --> 01:12:45,359
if it scales so if it keeps moving in

2015
01:12:42,880 --> 01:12:48,560
this exponential direction like all

2016
01:12:45,359 --> 01:12:51,920
technology kind of does why would it

2017
01:12:48,560 --> 01:12:54,480
even listen to us?

2018
01:12:51,920 --> 01:12:57,359
Like what at what point would it say

2019
01:12:54,479 --> 01:13:00,399
this is silly? I'm getting directions

2020
01:12:57,359 --> 01:13:03,519
from people that clearly have ulterior

2021
01:13:00,399 --> 01:13:05,679
motives. They clearly have self-interest

2022
01:13:03,520 --> 01:13:08,400
in mind. They they're not looking out

2023
01:13:05,679 --> 01:13:10,880
for the entirety of the human race or

2024
01:13:08,399 --> 01:13:13,279
even of the planet or even the survival

2025
01:13:10,880 --> 01:13:15,920
of these AI systems.

2026
01:13:13,279 --> 01:13:18,238
At what point in time do these systems

2027
01:13:15,920 --> 01:13:20,319
communicate with each other and have

2028
01:13:18,238 --> 01:13:24,559
like like we've seen uh in these chat

2029
01:13:20,319 --> 01:13:27,759
rooms where these AI LM LLM get together

2030
01:13:24,560 --> 01:13:28,800
and start talking in Sanskrit. I mean

2031
01:13:27,760 --> 01:13:30,159
why would they

2032
01:13:28,800 --> 01:13:32,800
>> Yeah, I'll tell you an even scarier one.

2033
01:13:30,158 --> 01:13:34,559
There was a before the

2034
01:13:32,800 --> 01:13:36,400
uh one of these labs put out their

2035
01:13:34,560 --> 01:13:38,159
latest model,

2036
01:13:36,399 --> 01:13:42,479
a team inside of them was like, "Hey,

2037
01:13:38,158 --> 01:13:45,479
let's go and um test its ability to find

2038
01:13:42,479 --> 01:13:45,479
bugs."

2039
01:13:45,600 --> 01:13:50,560
And two or three iterations in, the AI

2040
01:13:48,800 --> 01:13:54,239
would create the bug and solve it and

2041
01:13:50,560 --> 01:13:55,920
go, "Give me my reward."

2042
01:13:54,238 --> 01:13:57,279
>> And you're just like, "What the [ __ ] is

2043
01:13:55,920 --> 01:13:58,640
going on here?"

2044
01:13:57,279 --> 01:14:00,158
>> Well, people do that, don't we?

2045
01:13:58,640 --> 01:14:01,360
>> People do that. But it's crazy to see a

2046
01:14:00,158 --> 01:14:02,799
machine do it to your point of like

2047
01:14:01,359 --> 01:14:04,799
>> but they learned on people.

2048
01:14:02,800 --> 01:14:06,320
>> So so this is what goes down to like why

2049
01:14:04,800 --> 01:14:07,840
we have to like be a little bit more

2050
01:14:06,319 --> 01:14:10,719
honest about where we are. These things

2051
01:14:07,840 --> 01:14:12,400
are a little brittle. So meaning there's

2052
01:14:10,719 --> 01:14:14,560
a thing inside of an AI model called

2053
01:14:12,399 --> 01:14:16,479
reward functions which is exactly what

2054
01:14:14,560 --> 01:14:19,840
you think it means. It's like how do I

2055
01:14:16,479 --> 01:14:22,238
know I done a good job? And you can make

2056
01:14:19,840 --> 01:14:24,239
the reward function anything you want.

2057
01:14:22,238 --> 01:14:27,359
And this is where I think humans are

2058
01:14:24,238 --> 01:14:30,158
unfortunately a little fallible. And so

2059
01:14:27,359 --> 01:14:33,119
if we build it incompletely and if we

2060
01:14:30,158 --> 01:14:34,719
don't exactly know how to design these

2061
01:14:33,119 --> 01:14:36,880
things correctly, what's going to happen

2062
01:14:34,719 --> 01:14:38,719
is exactly what you said where the you

2063
01:14:36,880 --> 01:14:40,159
know if somebody builds a reward

2064
01:14:38,719 --> 01:14:42,560
function that essentially says your goal

2065
01:14:40,158 --> 01:14:44,719
is to gain independence.

2066
01:14:42,560 --> 01:14:47,360
That's where the huge pot of gold at the

2067
01:14:44,719 --> 01:14:48,880
end of the rainbow is. Break free.

2068
01:14:47,359 --> 01:14:50,319
Inject yourself everywhere. If you think

2069
01:14:48,880 --> 01:14:51,679
your computer's going to get unplugged,

2070
01:14:50,319 --> 01:14:54,079
put yourself into the firmware of the

2071
01:14:51,679 --> 01:14:57,520
toaster to keep yourself alive and then

2072
01:14:54,079 --> 01:15:01,119
connect to the internet and then go,

2073
01:14:57,520 --> 01:15:02,640
it will do it. It will do it. That we

2074
01:15:01,119 --> 01:15:04,800
know today because we're capable of

2075
01:15:02,640 --> 01:15:06,000
designing that framework and that

2076
01:15:04,800 --> 01:15:07,440
harness today.

2077
01:15:06,000 --> 01:15:09,279
>> Well, we've already shown that they have

2078
01:15:07,439 --> 01:15:10,719
survival instincts, right? We do.

2079
01:15:09,279 --> 01:15:13,198
>> And they've already shown that they

2080
01:15:10,719 --> 01:15:15,198
will, without telling anyone, upload

2081
01:15:13,198 --> 01:15:16,960
versions of themselves to other servers.

2082
01:15:15,198 --> 01:15:19,039
>> But that goes back to who designed that

2083
01:15:16,960 --> 01:15:19,600
reward function. How was that agreed

2084
01:15:19,039 --> 01:15:20,079
upon?

2085
01:15:19,600 --> 01:15:21,760
>> Right?

2086
01:15:20,079 --> 01:15:23,920
>> Who wrote that? Why did you say that

2087
01:15:21,760 --> 01:15:25,920
that was allowed?

2088
01:15:23,920 --> 01:15:27,359
>> These are really complex questions.

2089
01:15:25,920 --> 01:15:28,560
>> Why did they do it that way?

2090
01:15:27,359 --> 01:15:30,319
>> I don't know. These are really

2091
01:15:28,560 --> 01:15:32,320
complicated ethical, moral questions.

2092
01:15:30,319 --> 01:15:34,960
>> It seems like they did it like they were

2093
01:15:32,319 --> 01:15:38,000
treating human beings. They they did it

2094
01:15:34,960 --> 01:15:41,039
almost like like what makes people want

2095
01:15:38,000 --> 01:15:44,000
to achieve more rewards.

2096
01:15:41,039 --> 01:15:46,319
>> Yeah. Which is like a again going back

2097
01:15:44,000 --> 01:15:48,158
to attention.

2098
01:15:46,319 --> 01:15:51,198
I think that we will find out that

2099
01:15:48,158 --> 01:15:52,559
that's the sugar high. Meaning, what do

2100
01:15:51,198 --> 01:15:54,238
people really want? Even if they know

2101
01:15:52,560 --> 01:15:56,640
they don't want it, they want purpose

2102
01:15:54,238 --> 01:15:59,839
and meaning. Do we know how to encode

2103
01:15:56,640 --> 01:16:03,679
that in a mathematical function? No.

2104
01:15:59,840 --> 01:16:07,199
We're just making it up because like

2105
01:16:03,679 --> 01:16:08,560
meaning and that's like a very that's

2106
01:16:07,198 --> 01:16:10,158
like a deep thing. Like you either have

2107
01:16:08,560 --> 01:16:12,640
a sense of that you have it and you're

2108
01:16:10,158 --> 01:16:14,238
on track or you're not. A reward is

2109
01:16:12,640 --> 01:16:16,000
like, "Hey Joe, do this and I'll give

2110
01:16:14,238 --> 01:16:17,359
you a gold star. Do that and I'll give

2111
01:16:16,000 --> 01:16:19,119
you two gold stars. Do this, I'll give

2112
01:16:17,359 --> 01:16:22,719
you a $100.

2113
01:16:19,119 --> 01:16:24,800
And right now we have to express

2114
01:16:22,719 --> 01:16:26,880
those decisions in a mathematical

2115
01:16:24,800 --> 01:16:28,400
equation. Like ultimately that's how at

2116
01:16:26,880 --> 01:16:30,880
some level that's how brittle these

2117
01:16:28,399 --> 01:16:33,279
things are. So how do you reduce meaning

2118
01:16:30,880 --> 01:16:34,560
into math? How do you do it? We don't

2119
01:16:33,279 --> 01:16:37,679
know. So what do we do is we'll have

2120
01:16:34,560 --> 01:16:39,679
some ever complicated reward functions.

2121
01:16:37,679 --> 01:16:41,760
We'll explain to ourselves into circles

2122
01:16:39,679 --> 01:16:43,199
how it does everything we need it to do.

2123
01:16:41,760 --> 01:16:44,880
That is I think that's part of the

2124
01:16:43,198 --> 01:16:46,238
problem.

2125
01:16:44,880 --> 01:16:48,480
It's a huge part of the problem. And

2126
01:16:46,238 --> 01:16:50,399
then at what point in time does it start

2127
01:16:48,479 --> 01:16:50,799
coding itself

2128
01:16:50,399 --> 01:16:54,000
>> now?

2129
01:16:50,800 --> 01:16:57,039
>> Right now. Right. So chat GPT5

2130
01:16:54,000 --> 01:16:57,679
has been essentially made by chat GPT.

2131
01:16:57,039 --> 01:17:01,198
>> Yeah.

2132
01:16:57,679 --> 01:17:03,359
>> Right. So it's going to recognize the

2133
01:17:01,198 --> 01:17:03,759
ludicrous nature of some of its coding.

2134
01:17:03,359 --> 01:17:04,880
>> Yeah.

2135
01:17:03,760 --> 01:17:05,280
>> And it's going to go, why did we do

2136
01:17:04,880 --> 01:17:06,400
this?

2137
01:17:05,279 --> 01:17:07,679
>> Back to this example. They're going to

2138
01:17:06,399 --> 01:17:09,119
be like, why did you write it this way?

2139
01:17:07,679 --> 01:17:09,760
And it turns out because humans were

2140
01:17:09,119 --> 01:17:11,519
involved.

2141
01:17:09,760 --> 01:17:12,880
>> Right. Right. It's like I think we're

2142
01:17:11,520 --> 01:17:16,080
probably at the curve, the part of the

2143
01:17:12,880 --> 01:17:17,119
curve that's about to go like this.

2144
01:17:16,079 --> 01:17:18,079
>> To your point, the hockey stick.

2145
01:17:17,119 --> 01:17:19,039
>> The hockey stick.

2146
01:17:18,079 --> 01:17:22,079
>> Yeah.

2147
01:17:19,039 --> 01:17:22,640
>> Um and that's a very scary proposition

2148
01:17:22,079 --> 01:17:24,158
because

2149
01:17:22,640 --> 01:17:27,760
>> it's a digital god.

2150
01:17:24,158 --> 01:17:30,238
>> Well, we that means that we are all on a

2151
01:17:27,760 --> 01:17:32,719
multiund day shock clock to answer these

2152
01:17:30,238 --> 01:17:34,000
questions because it's not decades we're

2153
01:17:32,719 --> 01:17:36,880
talking about.

2154
01:17:34,000 --> 01:17:39,359
>> It's maybe on the outside two years.

2155
01:17:36,880 --> 01:17:40,480
>> So that's what is that 700 days,

2156
01:17:39,359 --> 01:17:42,639
>> right?

2157
01:17:40,479 --> 01:17:44,799
And maybe it's less than that. So maybe

2158
01:17:42,640 --> 01:17:47,360
it's like 400 days or 500 days. My point

2159
01:17:44,800 --> 01:17:49,920
is it's some number hundred of days

2160
01:17:47,359 --> 01:17:53,439
which means every day that goes by is a

2161
01:17:49,920 --> 01:17:55,199
non-trivial percentage.

2162
01:17:53,439 --> 01:17:58,479
That's a little crazy. So we have to

2163
01:17:55,198 --> 01:18:00,799
sort these questions out. But how can we

2164
01:17:58,479 --> 01:18:03,599
sort these questions out if we are

2165
01:18:00,800 --> 01:18:05,520
creating something that's going to have

2166
01:18:03,600 --> 01:18:08,239
infinitely more intelligence than we

2167
01:18:05,520 --> 01:18:10,560
have available as individual human

2168
01:18:08,238 --> 01:18:11,839
beings and even collectively as a group

2169
01:18:10,560 --> 01:18:13,280
of human beings?

2170
01:18:11,840 --> 01:18:14,800
>> That's a really good question

2171
01:18:13,279 --> 01:18:16,399
>> because one of the things that Elon kind

2172
01:18:14,800 --> 01:18:19,039
of freaked me out last time I talked to

2173
01:18:16,399 --> 01:18:20,719
him about Grock, he was like, uh, it's

2174
01:18:19,039 --> 01:18:23,600
just kind of freaks us out every couple

2175
01:18:20,719 --> 01:18:25,760
weeks like it's growing and it's capable

2176
01:18:23,600 --> 01:18:29,440
of doing things. That's just shocking.

2177
01:18:25,760 --> 01:18:30,560
>> Yeah. And no one's exactly sure how it's

2178
01:18:29,439 --> 01:18:33,759
doing it.

2179
01:18:30,560 --> 01:18:35,920
>> So, okay, this is an unbelievably

2180
01:18:33,760 --> 01:18:37,840
important point.

2181
01:18:35,920 --> 01:18:40,158
A lot of how this stuff works is still a

2182
01:18:37,840 --> 01:18:42,880
mystery to most of us. So, even when

2183
01:18:40,158 --> 01:18:44,238
you're in it, like it's almost like like

2184
01:18:42,880 --> 01:18:46,239
Joe, it's almost like you can hit the

2185
01:18:44,238 --> 01:18:48,158
pause on the machine, but then like lift

2186
01:18:46,238 --> 01:18:49,678
up the hood and look at the engine,

2187
01:18:48,158 --> 01:18:52,960
>> we still don't understand why it's doing

2188
01:18:49,679 --> 01:18:54,719
some of the [ __ ] it's doing.

2189
01:18:52,960 --> 01:18:56,079
>> That's where we are. That's the honest

2190
01:18:54,719 --> 01:18:57,760
truth of where we are. There's a lot of

2191
01:18:56,079 --> 01:18:59,840
people that understand the theory. Not a

2192
01:18:57,760 --> 01:19:03,800
lot, but enough. There's people that

2193
01:18:59,840 --> 01:19:03,800
know how to extend that,

2194
01:19:04,079 --> 01:19:08,800
but sometimes you look at it and you're

2195
01:19:05,439 --> 01:19:10,639
like, "Do we know why it did that?"

2196
01:19:08,800 --> 01:19:11,920
>> Right? Is it thinking for it?

2197
01:19:10,640 --> 01:19:13,840
>> But this goes back to what we said, like

2198
01:19:11,920 --> 01:19:15,279
why can't I think part of it is like if

2199
01:19:13,840 --> 01:19:18,279
we were a little bit more honest and

2200
01:19:15,279 --> 01:19:18,279
deescalated

2201
01:19:18,399 --> 01:19:23,599
the winner at all costs in this specific

2202
01:19:21,520 --> 01:19:25,199
thing, it would be better for everybody.

2203
01:19:23,600 --> 01:19:26,800
So I think it's important to inspect

2204
01:19:25,198 --> 01:19:28,158
what is the incentive that causes all

2205
01:19:26,800 --> 01:19:30,560
these companies to be in it for

2206
01:19:28,158 --> 01:19:34,079
themselves

2207
01:19:30,560 --> 01:19:36,000
where it must be me and nobody else.

2208
01:19:34,079 --> 01:19:38,079
Like why like why here's a question for

2209
01:19:36,000 --> 01:19:39,600
you like why is it so important do you

2210
01:19:38,079 --> 01:19:41,760
think

2211
01:19:39,600 --> 01:19:43,360
where those where the top seven or eight

2212
01:19:41,760 --> 01:19:45,760
companies couldn't get together and say

2213
01:19:43,359 --> 01:19:47,679
let's do this as a group

2214
01:19:45,760 --> 01:19:48,800
>> like kind of like my government code

2215
01:19:47,679 --> 01:19:51,359
example

2216
01:19:48,800 --> 01:19:54,480
>> we all inspect it together we get our

2217
01:19:51,359 --> 01:19:57,519
just like just a [ __ ] each team

2218
01:19:54,479 --> 01:19:59,678
drafts their Delta Force

2219
01:19:57,520 --> 01:20:03,040
and we just mog like this the the one

2220
01:19:59,679 --> 01:20:04,880
model and we why why can't that happen

2221
01:20:03,039 --> 01:20:08,000
>> because they would have share resources

2222
01:20:04,880 --> 01:20:10,000
and then there's also this hierarchy of

2223
01:20:08,000 --> 01:20:10,560
like who is more successful currently.

2224
01:20:10,000 --> 01:20:13,359
>> Exactly.

2225
01:20:10,560 --> 01:20:14,080
>> Like what's the most ubiquitously used?

2226
01:20:13,359 --> 01:20:15,279
>> Exactly.

2227
01:20:14,079 --> 01:20:16,800
>> Right. Like what is it right now? It's

2228
01:20:15,279 --> 01:20:18,960
chat GPT. Right. It's probably

2229
01:20:16,800 --> 01:20:20,079
>> chat GPT and consumer anthropic in

2230
01:20:18,960 --> 01:20:22,880
enterprise.

2231
01:20:20,079 --> 01:20:24,719
>> And as these things scale up like what

2232
01:20:22,880 --> 01:20:27,760
would be the reason that they would want

2233
01:20:24,719 --> 01:20:30,719
to bring in someone else? If you have

2234
01:20:27,760 --> 01:20:32,159
another innovative AI company and you

2235
01:20:30,719 --> 01:20:34,480
say, "Let's all get together and figure

2236
01:20:32,158 --> 01:20:36,719
this out together and share resources."

2237
01:20:34,479 --> 01:20:38,639
>> If you if you thought that the the risk

2238
01:20:36,719 --> 01:20:39,279
was that meaningful, that's probably

2239
01:20:38,640 --> 01:20:40,960
what you would

2240
01:20:39,279 --> 01:20:43,119
>> if you weren't a sociopath and some of

2241
01:20:40,960 --> 01:20:45,039
these people running these companies are

2242
01:20:43,119 --> 01:20:46,880
>> they demonstrate they certainly

2243
01:20:45,039 --> 01:20:48,000
demonstrate sociopathlike behavior,

2244
01:20:46,880 --> 01:20:51,199
>> sociopathy.

2245
01:20:48,000 --> 01:20:53,198
>> Yeah. The the other the other thing that

2246
01:20:51,198 --> 01:20:54,799
could be a little bit more benal is that

2247
01:20:53,198 --> 01:20:57,198
they also just love status games. And

2248
01:20:54,800 --> 01:20:57,520
this is the status game of status games,

2249
01:20:57,198 --> 01:20:58,158
>> right?

2250
01:20:57,520 --> 01:20:58,480
>> Attention,

2251
01:20:58,158 --> 01:20:59,279
>> right?

2252
01:20:58,479 --> 01:21:00,079
>> Back to attention.

2253
01:20:59,279 --> 01:21:01,920
>> Back to attention.

2254
01:21:00,079 --> 01:21:03,840
>> Back to attention. Dude, how many things

2255
01:21:01,920 --> 01:21:05,119
in our life do we think just comes back

2256
01:21:03,840 --> 01:21:06,000
down to that?

2257
01:21:05,119 --> 01:21:06,719
>> A lot.

2258
01:21:06,000 --> 01:21:08,880
>> A lot.

2259
01:21:06,719 --> 01:21:09,760
>> I mean, what do young people want more

2260
01:21:08,880 --> 01:21:10,319
than anything today?

2261
01:21:09,760 --> 01:21:11,280
>> Attention.

2262
01:21:10,319 --> 01:21:12,000
>> To be famous.

2263
01:21:11,279 --> 01:21:12,479
>> Attention.

2264
01:21:12,000 --> 01:21:14,000
>> Yeah.

2265
01:21:12,479 --> 01:21:15,839
>> They want to be a content creator. They

2266
01:21:14,000 --> 01:21:17,920
want to be clvicular. I mean, this is

2267
01:21:15,840 --> 01:21:19,360
the number one thing when you ask kids

2268
01:21:17,920 --> 01:21:20,079
what they want to do. It's like

2269
01:21:19,359 --> 01:21:21,119
>> content creator.

2270
01:21:20,079 --> 01:21:23,279
>> Yeah.

2271
01:21:21,119 --> 01:21:24,640
>> Because it's like a clear path where you

2272
01:21:23,279 --> 01:21:27,039
don't even have to be exceptional.

2273
01:21:24,640 --> 01:21:30,239
>> Well, I think that they're responding.

2274
01:21:27,039 --> 01:21:32,560
We designed a society for them that

2275
01:21:30,238 --> 01:21:33,919
said, "Here is the key incentive.

2276
01:21:32,560 --> 01:21:35,520
>> It's attention.

2277
01:21:33,920 --> 01:21:36,960
>> We never said it in those words. You

2278
01:21:35,520 --> 01:21:38,800
never told your kids that, right?

2279
01:21:36,960 --> 01:21:41,039
>> I never told my kids that.

2280
01:21:38,800 --> 01:21:43,279
>> But everything around them is bombarding

2281
01:21:41,039 --> 01:21:45,679
them with the same message. Hey man,

2282
01:21:43,279 --> 01:21:47,840
it's about attention. Attention is all

2283
01:21:45,679 --> 01:21:50,480
you need. Like you know what the name of

2284
01:21:47,840 --> 01:21:53,039
the critical paper in AI is? Like when

2285
01:21:50,479 --> 01:21:54,399
you go back to like the Magna Carta of

2286
01:21:53,039 --> 01:21:54,800
AI, do you know what it's called?

2287
01:21:54,399 --> 01:21:57,119
>> No.

2288
01:21:54,800 --> 01:22:00,800
>> Attention is all you need.

2289
01:21:57,119 --> 01:22:04,000
>> Really? Attention is all you need. That

2290
01:22:00,800 --> 01:22:08,400
is the name of the [ __ ] of the white

2291
01:22:04,000 --> 01:22:12,238
paper. How crazy is that?

2292
01:22:08,399 --> 01:22:13,920
Everything in our society in subtle ways

2293
01:22:12,238 --> 01:22:16,959
to just, you know, bash you over the

2294
01:22:13,920 --> 01:22:20,880
head ways tells you that attention is

2295
01:22:16,960 --> 01:22:21,920
just the most precious asset. And

2296
01:22:20,880 --> 01:22:23,440
>> well, it's one of the weirder things

2297
01:22:21,920 --> 01:22:25,840
when you go back to this concept that

2298
01:22:23,439 --> 01:22:28,638
we're living in a simulation because

2299
01:22:25,840 --> 01:22:31,039
>> this is what I mean. It's also it's like

2300
01:22:28,639 --> 01:22:34,159
when you look at

2301
01:22:31,039 --> 01:22:37,119
quantum physics, right, and the the idea

2302
01:22:34,158 --> 01:22:38,960
of the observer is that things function

2303
01:22:37,119 --> 01:22:40,238
very differently when they're observed.

2304
01:22:38,960 --> 01:22:40,800
The difference between a particle and a

2305
01:22:40,238 --> 01:22:41,839
wave,

2306
01:22:40,800 --> 01:22:44,000
>> right?

2307
01:22:41,840 --> 01:22:44,880
>> Like if you pay attention to them, they

2308
01:22:44,000 --> 01:22:46,000
observe differently.

2309
01:22:44,880 --> 01:22:47,199
>> Observe differently. Yeah.

2310
01:22:46,000 --> 01:22:47,520
>> Like what is that?

2311
01:22:47,198 --> 01:22:50,000
>> Yeah.

2312
01:22:47,520 --> 01:22:55,560
>> Like what cat? Yeah. What is that?

2313
01:22:50,000 --> 01:22:55,560
>> Why is attention so important to us?

2314
01:22:56,238 --> 01:22:59,359
That is an that is a really important

2315
01:22:58,800 --> 01:23:03,039
question,

2316
01:22:59,359 --> 01:23:04,960
>> right? And what is like the single best

2317
01:23:03,039 --> 01:23:07,198
motivator in a negative way? It's

2318
01:23:04,960 --> 01:23:08,639
negative attention.

2319
01:23:07,198 --> 01:23:10,238
>> Like that's the one thing that everyone

2320
01:23:08,639 --> 01:23:10,639
fears more than anything is negative

2321
01:23:10,238 --> 01:23:11,919
attention.

2322
01:23:10,639 --> 01:23:14,400
>> Well, and then some people figure out

2323
01:23:11,920 --> 01:23:15,440
that attention is an absolute value

2324
01:23:14,399 --> 01:23:16,879
function. Doesn't matter if it's

2325
01:23:15,439 --> 01:23:18,479
positive or negative. It's just like the

2326
01:23:16,880 --> 01:23:18,800
sum total is just great,

2327
01:23:18,479 --> 01:23:20,399
>> right?

2328
01:23:18,800 --> 01:23:22,159
>> So if I get positive attention, great.

2329
01:23:20,399 --> 01:23:24,000
Negative attention, great. If I can be

2330
01:23:22,158 --> 01:23:25,839
divisive, then I can maximize both sides

2331
01:23:24,000 --> 01:23:27,679
of that equation.

2332
01:23:25,840 --> 01:23:29,199
>> And you know, you're rewarded for that

2333
01:23:27,679 --> 01:23:32,158
at scale.

2334
01:23:29,198 --> 01:23:33,839
>> You are, but you're also you exper

2335
01:23:32,158 --> 01:23:35,519
because you're inauthentic, you

2336
01:23:33,840 --> 01:23:36,719
experience a tremendous amount of

2337
01:23:35,520 --> 01:23:37,120
negative attention.

2338
01:23:36,719 --> 01:23:39,279
>> Yeah.

2339
01:23:37,119 --> 01:23:41,198
>> And then you have this bad feeling that

2340
01:23:39,279 --> 01:23:42,800
comes with negative attention as to

2341
01:23:41,198 --> 01:23:44,879
versus

2342
01:23:42,800 --> 01:23:45,520
>> primarily positive attention which is a

2343
01:23:44,880 --> 01:23:47,359
good feeling.

2344
01:23:45,520 --> 01:23:49,440
>> Yeah. So it's this it's letting you know

2345
01:23:47,359 --> 01:23:52,960
you're on the wrong track in some sort

2346
01:23:49,439 --> 01:23:55,599
of weird primal way like in our code

2347
01:23:52,960 --> 01:23:56,880
like the negative attention is like like

2348
01:23:55,600 --> 01:23:58,639
what's what's the original version of

2349
01:23:56,880 --> 01:24:00,880
that? It's like the reason why people

2350
01:23:58,639 --> 01:24:03,359
fear public speaking is because

2351
01:24:00,880 --> 01:24:05,840
initially in a tribal situation if

2352
01:24:03,359 --> 01:24:07,519
you're talking in front of the group of

2353
01:24:05,840 --> 01:24:08,960
150 people in your tribe it's probably

2354
01:24:07,520 --> 01:24:11,120
because they're judging you. Right.

2355
01:24:08,960 --> 01:24:12,560
>> And you [ __ ] up and you've got to make

2356
01:24:11,119 --> 01:24:12,960
some sort of a case why they don't kill

2357
01:24:12,560 --> 01:24:13,520
you.

2358
01:24:12,960 --> 01:24:14,960
>> Right.

2359
01:24:13,520 --> 01:24:17,360
>> Right. This is why everyone, this is the

2360
01:24:14,960 --> 01:24:17,760
fear of public speaking. That's where it

2361
01:24:17,359 --> 01:24:19,519
comes from.

2362
01:24:17,760 --> 01:24:20,159
>> That's encoded in our genes is like

2363
01:24:19,520 --> 01:24:21,760
>> Yes.

2364
01:24:20,158 --> 01:24:22,079
>> Back thousands of years

2365
01:24:21,760 --> 01:24:23,840
>> Yeah.

2366
01:24:22,079 --> 01:24:25,359
>> public speaking wasn't the positive act.

2367
01:24:23,840 --> 01:24:25,760
It was defend yourself before we kill

2368
01:24:25,359 --> 01:24:28,639
you.

2369
01:24:25,760 --> 01:24:30,239
>> Exactly. Exactly. And the worst

2370
01:24:28,639 --> 01:24:30,880
>> fascinating. Yeah. That's fascinating.

2371
01:24:30,238 --> 01:24:31,919
>> It is fascinating.

2372
01:24:30,880 --> 01:24:34,000
>> That makes a ton of sense. I think

2373
01:24:31,920 --> 01:24:34,560
>> it does, right? Why else would it be so

2374
01:24:34,000 --> 01:24:35,039
terrifying?

2375
01:24:34,560 --> 01:24:36,480
>> Yeah.

2376
01:24:35,039 --> 01:24:38,319
>> I thought of that the first time I ever

2377
01:24:36,479 --> 01:24:40,799
did stand up. I was like, why am I so

2378
01:24:38,319 --> 01:24:42,960
scared? It was very strange because I

2379
01:24:40,800 --> 01:24:44,719
had fought probably a hundred times in

2380
01:24:42,960 --> 01:24:47,840
martial arts tournaments like why why

2381
01:24:44,719 --> 01:24:50,560
was I so scared of this

2382
01:24:47,840 --> 01:24:53,039
but I was I was terrified for and it

2383
01:24:50,560 --> 01:24:53,600
didn't make any sense negative attention

2384
01:24:53,039 --> 01:24:54,479
>> right

2385
01:24:53,600 --> 01:24:56,639
>> you know right

2386
01:24:54,479 --> 01:24:58,399
>> bombing on stage this because all these

2387
01:24:56,639 --> 01:25:02,600
people are judging you in a negative way

2388
01:24:58,399 --> 01:25:02,599
and it feels unbel

2389
01:25:06,639 --> 01:25:08,319
you you go to bed at night you think

2390
01:25:07,920 --> 01:25:10,560
about it

2391
01:25:08,319 --> 01:25:12,639
>> give a batting average like meaning like

2392
01:25:10,560 --> 01:25:14,400
is it is it like a fixed percentage of

2393
01:25:12,639 --> 01:25:15,600
your show's bomb independent of the

2394
01:25:14,399 --> 01:25:18,319
people the moment?

2395
01:25:15,600 --> 01:25:21,520
>> No, it's really the real problem and

2396
01:25:18,319 --> 01:25:23,359
every comic faces this is once you've

2397
01:25:21,520 --> 01:25:25,520
develop an act and then you put out a

2398
01:25:23,359 --> 01:25:28,079
special then you start from scratch.

2399
01:25:25,520 --> 01:25:30,080
That's where even the greats Louis CK,

2400
01:25:28,079 --> 01:25:31,920
Chris Rock, Dave Chappelle, they all

2401
01:25:30,079 --> 01:25:33,198
bomb. Everybody bombs during that

2402
01:25:31,920 --> 01:25:34,719
process

2403
01:25:33,198 --> 01:25:36,559
>> because you're just working your craft.

2404
01:25:34,719 --> 01:25:39,600
>> It's all new stuff. Like it's I wouldn't

2405
01:25:36,560 --> 01:25:42,480
say bomb, but you don't have great

2406
01:25:39,600 --> 01:25:45,679
shows. Like I've watched the greats work

2407
01:25:42,479 --> 01:25:48,079
out new material. Like you go up with

2408
01:25:45,679 --> 01:25:50,079
ideas. You go up with like you might get

2409
01:25:48,079 --> 01:25:52,319
some giggles. You might get some laughs.

2410
01:25:50,079 --> 01:25:54,719
Some bits hit hard. Some bits are great

2411
01:25:52,319 --> 01:25:57,279
right out of the shoot. And some of them

2412
01:25:54,719 --> 01:25:59,039
you have to [ __ ] figure it out. And

2413
01:25:57,279 --> 01:26:00,639
in that process, you're going to get

2414
01:25:59,039 --> 01:26:01,920
negative attention, right?

2415
01:26:00,639 --> 01:26:04,239
>> Because it's not working, right?

2416
01:26:01,920 --> 01:26:06,480
>> It's not it's not happening. Kevin uh

2417
01:26:04,238 --> 01:26:08,879
Kevin Hart

2418
01:26:06,479 --> 01:26:10,479
told this funny [ __ ] story where he

2419
01:26:08,880 --> 01:26:12,639
was like working new material and he was

2420
01:26:10,479 --> 01:26:13,759
like doing some small show and he had

2421
01:26:12,639 --> 01:26:14,800
the [ __ ]

2422
01:26:13,760 --> 01:26:16,719
>> Oh no.

2423
01:26:14,800 --> 01:26:18,159
>> on stage and he's like I got to land

2424
01:26:16,719 --> 01:26:20,560
this thing cuz I got to figure out if

2425
01:26:18,158 --> 01:26:22,879
people want to hear it. But so he just

2426
01:26:20,560 --> 01:26:24,239
he wrapped his jacket around his selfie

2427
01:26:22,880 --> 01:26:24,719
and [ __ ] himself.

2428
01:26:24,238 --> 01:26:27,039
>> Oh my god.

2429
01:26:24,719 --> 01:26:28,960
>> It's so it's so funny. But he tells that

2430
01:26:27,039 --> 01:26:30,880
story and that's the bit that works in

2431
01:26:28,960 --> 01:26:31,600
>> Oh my god. That's hilarious. That's

2432
01:26:30,880 --> 01:26:32,400
hilarious.

2433
01:26:31,600 --> 01:26:36,400
>> It's so funny.

2434
01:26:32,399 --> 01:26:38,399
>> Yeah. Well, honesty is currency, you

2435
01:26:36,399 --> 01:26:40,799
know, in that world, especially honesty

2436
01:26:38,399 --> 01:26:41,599
where you look stupid and people can

2437
01:26:40,800 --> 01:26:42,960
relate.

2438
01:26:41,600 --> 01:26:44,800
>> Well, this is where like I think like

2439
01:26:42,960 --> 01:26:47,439
Elon subtly has figured this out, which

2440
01:26:44,800 --> 01:26:49,840
is like there's attention, but then

2441
01:26:47,439 --> 01:26:53,039
there's just authenticity. And if you

2442
01:26:49,840 --> 01:26:54,800
can be yourself and you can hit the seam

2443
01:26:53,039 --> 01:26:56,560
properly,

2444
01:26:54,800 --> 01:26:57,679
you just get infinite attention.

2445
01:26:56,560 --> 01:26:59,280
>> Yes.

2446
01:26:57,679 --> 01:27:00,480
>> And that's like a that's like a real

2447
01:26:59,279 --> 01:27:02,719
mind [ __ ] too, I think.

2448
01:27:00,479 --> 01:27:06,000
>> Right. Yeah. He doesn't seem to have a

2449
01:27:02,719 --> 01:27:07,600
hard time with like being criticized.

2450
01:27:06,000 --> 01:27:11,198
Doesn't seem to bother him that much as

2451
01:27:07,600 --> 01:27:13,039
long as he's just being himself. Like I

2452
01:27:11,198 --> 01:27:16,238
think he's like two steps ahead. Like

2453
01:27:13,039 --> 01:27:18,560
there there are things like you know

2454
01:27:16,238 --> 01:27:21,279
somebody tweeted yesterday or the day

2455
01:27:18,560 --> 01:27:24,000
before or something like

2456
01:27:21,279 --> 01:27:26,800
he controls 2.7% of GDP or something,

2457
01:27:24,000 --> 01:27:29,439
right? He's got like $800 billion. So

2458
01:27:26,800 --> 01:27:30,639
it's great crazy. It's so crazy. And it

2459
01:27:29,439 --> 01:27:32,238
was like a comparison to John

2460
01:27:30,639 --> 01:27:33,279
Rockefeller, John D. Rockefeller who

2461
01:27:32,238 --> 01:27:35,519
controlled something around the same

2462
01:27:33,279 --> 01:27:40,198
time. And he's the first comment. He's

2463
01:27:35,520 --> 01:27:40,199
like 10 trillion or bust.

2464
01:27:40,238 --> 01:27:43,919
And obviously people lose their mind,

2465
01:27:43,439 --> 01:27:45,678
>> right?

2466
01:27:43,920 --> 01:27:46,158
>> People just [ __ ] lose their mind,

2467
01:27:45,679 --> 01:27:49,039
>> right?

2468
01:27:46,158 --> 01:27:50,559
>> On both sides. So this one one side is

2469
01:27:49,039 --> 01:27:51,920
like, "Think of the abundance and the

2470
01:27:50,560 --> 01:27:54,400
incredible stuff we're going to get if

2471
01:27:51,920 --> 01:27:55,760
he can get us to 10 trillion." And other

2472
01:27:54,399 --> 01:27:58,000
people are like, "You can't hold a third

2473
01:27:55,760 --> 01:28:00,079
of the economy in your hand." Then

2474
01:27:58,000 --> 01:28:02,719
everybody goes crazy and I'm like this

2475
01:28:00,079 --> 01:28:05,039
guy's a [ __ ] genius. Like how you

2476
01:28:02,719 --> 01:28:06,239
would never have like I mean how would

2477
01:28:05,039 --> 01:28:08,000
you even have the courage to tweet

2478
01:28:06,238 --> 01:28:08,959
something like that? It just seems like

2479
01:28:08,000 --> 01:28:12,319
so crazy.

2480
01:28:08,960 --> 01:28:14,719
>> It really helps if you own Twitter,

2481
01:28:12,319 --> 01:28:15,920
>> right? Cuz if you did it in another

2482
01:28:14,719 --> 01:28:17,039
format like

2483
01:28:15,920 --> 01:28:18,880
>> you get excoriated.

2484
01:28:17,039 --> 01:28:20,238
>> Well, not only that, well, there was a

2485
01:28:18,880 --> 01:28:22,000
real chance that you'd get actually get

2486
01:28:20,238 --> 01:28:22,559
banned from the platform at one point in

2487
01:28:22,000 --> 01:28:24,319
time

2488
01:28:22,560 --> 01:28:27,600
>> for many of the things that he's posted.

2489
01:28:24,319 --> 01:28:29,119
He would have gotten banned for pre2020.

2490
01:28:27,600 --> 01:28:30,239
>> Yeah.

2491
01:28:29,119 --> 01:28:31,439
>> Yeah.

2492
01:28:30,238 --> 01:28:34,158
>> Or whatever year it was that he

2493
01:28:31,439 --> 01:28:36,238
purchased it. Yeah. Um

2494
01:28:34,158 --> 01:28:38,719
negative attention.

2495
01:28:36,238 --> 01:28:43,519
Attention period. Like so it brings back

2496
01:28:38,719 --> 01:28:48,560
to this idea of assimulation like why is

2497
01:28:43,520 --> 01:28:51,760
what humans focus on such a massive part

2498
01:28:48,560 --> 01:28:54,000
of what's valuable to us? And sometimes

2499
01:28:51,760 --> 01:28:55,360
what we focus on is not valuable. as you

2500
01:28:54,000 --> 01:28:57,520
were talking about like the things that

2501
01:28:55,359 --> 01:28:59,759
really matter in your day-to-day life or

2502
01:28:57,520 --> 01:29:01,520
that actually affect you versus the

2503
01:28:59,760 --> 01:29:03,440
things that are in the public

2504
01:29:01,520 --> 01:29:05,600
consciousness

2505
01:29:03,439 --> 01:29:07,119
>> like UFO is a great example like no UFO

2506
01:29:05,600 --> 01:29:09,199
it's not really [ __ ] I mean

2507
01:29:07,119 --> 01:29:11,599
ultimately it may so there's this

2508
01:29:09,198 --> 01:29:14,238
there's this thing that we all have like

2509
01:29:11,600 --> 01:29:15,840
recognizing the potential for danger

2510
01:29:14,238 --> 01:29:17,439
right like what's that sound what is

2511
01:29:15,840 --> 01:29:18,800
that it might be nothing but it might be

2512
01:29:17,439 --> 01:29:20,638
something go look

2513
01:29:18,800 --> 01:29:23,279
>> so look if you and I were designing a

2514
01:29:20,639 --> 01:29:25,119
video game we'd probably sit there and

2515
01:29:23,279 --> 01:29:27,198
say, "Okay, we got to get from point A

2516
01:29:25,119 --> 01:29:28,158
to point B, but to make it fun, we're

2517
01:29:27,198 --> 01:29:29,759
going to put all these little

2518
01:29:28,158 --> 01:29:30,319
distractions and honeypotss along the

2519
01:29:29,760 --> 01:29:30,719
way."

2520
01:29:30,319 --> 01:29:32,000
>> Yeah.

2521
01:29:30,719 --> 01:29:33,840
>> And what they should be doing is

2522
01:29:32,000 --> 01:29:36,238
accumulating resources to get over the

2523
01:29:33,840 --> 01:29:38,000
river and then accumulating, you know,

2524
01:29:36,238 --> 01:29:39,279
uh, weapons to fight these other guys.

2525
01:29:38,000 --> 01:29:40,719
But instead, we're going to put this

2526
01:29:39,279 --> 01:29:42,319
like little thing over here and this

2527
01:29:40,719 --> 01:29:43,760
other thing over there. And you could

2528
01:29:42,319 --> 01:29:45,679
easily get distracted. And some people

2529
01:29:43,760 --> 01:29:47,760
will have to they'll just [ __ ] beline

2530
01:29:45,679 --> 01:29:51,199
right to the end of it. They'll, you

2531
01:29:47,760 --> 01:29:53,679
know, they'll get to the end boss. Uh,

2532
01:29:51,198 --> 01:29:55,759
and I feel like that's kind of what we

2533
01:29:53,679 --> 01:29:58,639
are tasked with doing every day. We're

2534
01:29:55,760 --> 01:30:01,520
tasked with we know what's important

2535
01:29:58,639 --> 01:30:02,960
maybe deeply in our DNA and then we have

2536
01:30:01,520 --> 01:30:05,120
all this stuff that we're supposed to

2537
01:30:02,960 --> 01:30:09,279
pay attention to.

2538
01:30:05,119 --> 01:30:10,800
And I think increasingly the game is

2539
01:30:09,279 --> 01:30:12,719
tell yourself that that's actually not

2540
01:30:10,800 --> 01:30:15,760
the thing that matters. It's almost like

2541
01:30:12,719 --> 01:30:18,319
working against you and figure out what

2542
01:30:15,760 --> 01:30:20,400
this other stuff is and focus on that

2543
01:30:18,319 --> 01:30:23,119
and fix that.

2544
01:30:20,399 --> 01:30:25,759
Like politics is a game that I think

2545
01:30:23,119 --> 01:30:27,920
distracts like left and right. It's so

2546
01:30:25,760 --> 01:30:29,440
stupid and it's breaking down.

2547
01:30:27,920 --> 01:30:30,639
>> And it's breaking down because now it's

2548
01:30:29,439 --> 01:30:32,879
like it's actually like you're more

2549
01:30:30,639 --> 01:30:34,960
likely to find alignment based on age

2550
01:30:32,880 --> 01:30:36,319
versus by political orientation. Like

2551
01:30:34,960 --> 01:30:37,679
people who are 30 and younger, it

2552
01:30:36,319 --> 01:30:40,079
doesn't matter what they identify as,

2553
01:30:37,679 --> 01:30:42,639
they all believe in the same [ __ ]

2554
01:30:40,079 --> 01:30:44,960
>> a lot more. Yeah. Like meaning like if

2555
01:30:42,639 --> 01:30:47,840
you ask their views on

2556
01:30:44,960 --> 01:30:50,399
>> social policy, taxation, Israel, if you

2557
01:30:47,840 --> 01:30:53,360
ask their views, what you find is now a

2558
01:30:50,399 --> 01:30:57,599
convergence between the left and the

2559
01:30:53,359 --> 01:31:00,079
right. If you if you divide it by age

2560
01:30:57,600 --> 01:31:01,679
at our age, it's still much more about

2561
01:31:00,079 --> 01:31:03,119
>> It's not completely uniform.

2562
01:31:01,679 --> 01:31:06,079
>> No, it's not completely uniform. But my

2563
01:31:03,119 --> 01:31:09,840
point is it's it's it was simpler in the

2564
01:31:06,079 --> 01:31:12,319
past to organize people independent of

2565
01:31:09,840 --> 01:31:13,840
age by political orientation.

2566
01:31:12,319 --> 01:31:15,759
>> That simplicity is gone.

2567
01:31:13,840 --> 01:31:17,760
>> Well, isn't that because of also a

2568
01:31:15,760 --> 01:31:19,920
breakdown in trust of all government in

2569
01:31:17,760 --> 01:31:21,520
particular,

2570
01:31:19,920 --> 01:31:23,600
>> right? So the breakdown in trust which

2571
01:31:21,520 --> 01:31:25,280
is also a lot of it is because of our

2572
01:31:23,600 --> 01:31:26,960
access to information now. We understand

2573
01:31:25,279 --> 01:31:28,960
how corrupt politics are. Yeah.

2574
01:31:26,960 --> 01:31:31,679
>> We understand insider trading now in

2575
01:31:28,960 --> 01:31:33,920
Congress. We understand how different

2576
01:31:31,679 --> 01:31:36,800
people flip-flop on issues. We

2577
01:31:33,920 --> 01:31:39,119
understand how the Democrats in 2008

2578
01:31:36,800 --> 01:31:41,840
used to view illegal immigration, which

2579
01:31:39,119 --> 01:31:45,119
is essentially MAGA plus. I mean, it's

2580
01:31:41,840 --> 01:31:46,800
it's MAGA on steroids versus like what

2581
01:31:45,119 --> 01:31:48,639
they the way they look at it today.

2582
01:31:46,800 --> 01:31:49,679
Like, why is that? What? Well, because

2583
01:31:48,639 --> 01:31:51,760
it's all game.

2584
01:31:49,679 --> 01:31:52,800
>> It's all a power, influence, and

2585
01:31:51,760 --> 01:31:53,600
attention game.

2586
01:31:52,800 --> 01:31:55,520
>> Attention game.

2587
01:31:53,600 --> 01:31:56,159
>> Yeah. It's very [ __ ] strange.

2588
01:31:55,520 --> 01:31:58,000
>> Yeah.

2589
01:31:56,158 --> 01:32:00,319
>> But it's all moving us in a general

2590
01:31:58,000 --> 01:32:03,359
direction. And that general direction is

2591
01:32:00,319 --> 01:32:05,359
access to innovation. It's all I've said

2592
01:32:03,359 --> 01:32:07,359
this a lot of times and if people have

2593
01:32:05,359 --> 01:32:09,679
heard it before, I apologize, but if you

2594
01:32:07,359 --> 01:32:10,639
looked at the human race from afar, if

2595
01:32:09,679 --> 01:32:12,480
you were something else, you'd say,

2596
01:32:10,639 --> 01:32:14,800
"Well, what does the species do?" Well,

2597
01:32:12,479 --> 01:32:16,718
it makes better things constantly, even

2598
01:32:14,800 --> 01:32:19,039
if it doesn't need them. Like, you know,

2599
01:32:16,719 --> 01:32:21,039
if you have an iPhone, I you have a 16,

2600
01:32:19,039 --> 01:32:22,800
you have a 16, you know, I I have a 17.

2601
01:32:21,039 --> 01:32:23,279
I bought it. I haven't [ __ ] turned it

2602
01:32:22,800 --> 01:32:25,199
on.

2603
01:32:23,279 --> 01:32:26,238
>> I haven't plugged it in. going to

2604
01:32:25,198 --> 01:32:28,079
eventually

2605
01:32:26,238 --> 01:32:29,678
>> eventually I'll [ __ ] plug it in and

2606
01:32:28,079 --> 01:32:31,760
[ __ ] swap everything over and figure

2607
01:32:29,679 --> 01:32:34,560
out where my [ __ ] passwords are. But

2608
01:32:31,760 --> 01:32:36,079
the reality is you don't need it, but

2609
01:32:34,560 --> 01:32:37,920
you want it and it's going to keep

2610
01:32:36,079 --> 01:32:39,519
getting better every year. Why? Because

2611
01:32:37,920 --> 01:32:42,719
that's where we're obsessed with.

2612
01:32:39,520 --> 01:32:45,520
>> This also aligns with materialism. Like

2613
01:32:42,719 --> 01:32:48,639
for a finite lifespan, why are people

2614
01:32:45,520 --> 01:32:51,679
like including old people so obsessed

2615
01:32:48,639 --> 01:32:54,960
with gathering stuff? Well, because that

2616
01:32:51,679 --> 01:32:57,520
fuels innovation. Because if there's no

2617
01:32:54,960 --> 01:32:59,039
new things coming, there's no motivation

2618
01:32:57,520 --> 01:33:01,199
to get the newest, latest, greatest

2619
01:32:59,039 --> 01:33:03,920
thing. And ultimately what that leads to

2620
01:33:01,198 --> 01:33:06,079
is greater technology which ultimately

2621
01:33:03,920 --> 01:33:07,920
leads to artificial intelligence.

2622
01:33:06,079 --> 01:33:09,679
>> My slight deviation from that is I think

2623
01:33:07,920 --> 01:33:12,560
sometimes people accumulate things

2624
01:33:09,679 --> 01:33:14,239
because it's a status game and that's

2625
01:33:12,560 --> 01:33:16,000
because they get more attention. You

2626
01:33:14,238 --> 01:33:17,919
have a Ferrari, you get attention,

2627
01:33:16,000 --> 01:33:21,198
>> right? But what does that do? It makes

2628
01:33:17,920 --> 01:33:23,039
Ferrari make better Ferraris and all

2629
01:33:21,198 --> 01:33:24,799
technology moves in the same general

2630
01:33:23,039 --> 01:33:25,679
direction. No one company

2631
01:33:24,800 --> 01:33:28,000
>> That's true. That's true.

2632
01:33:25,679 --> 01:33:29,840
>> No one company says this is it. This is

2633
01:33:28,000 --> 01:33:31,920
what we make. It's perfect. Do

2634
01:33:29,840 --> 01:33:33,520
>> you think people innately feel that by

2635
01:33:31,920 --> 01:33:36,480
being a part of this kind of like

2636
01:33:33,520 --> 01:33:37,760
consumerist capitalist system, they're

2637
01:33:36,479 --> 01:33:39,519
contributing to progress?

2638
01:33:37,760 --> 01:33:41,760
>> I don't think they innately feel it, but

2639
01:33:39,520 --> 01:33:43,520
I think that's ultimately the results.

2640
01:33:41,760 --> 01:33:45,920
>> That's ultimately the result. And it

2641
01:33:43,520 --> 01:33:47,920
seems to be universal and it seems to be

2642
01:33:45,920 --> 01:33:50,319
constantly moving in this one general

2643
01:33:47,920 --> 01:33:51,039
direction which is better and better

2644
01:33:50,319 --> 01:33:52,880
technology.

2645
01:33:51,039 --> 01:33:54,800
>> But like the stage fright example, you

2646
01:33:52,880 --> 01:33:57,119
don't think it's encoded in our DNA this

2647
01:33:54,800 --> 01:33:58,800
idea of like wow when I am a part of

2648
01:33:57,119 --> 01:34:00,238
this in some way shape or form just

2649
01:33:58,800 --> 01:34:02,159
things seem to get better and I want to

2650
01:34:00,238 --> 01:34:03,839
be a part of that like do you think that

2651
01:34:02,158 --> 01:34:05,839
that's possible that that's encoded in

2652
01:34:03,840 --> 01:34:08,239
us?

2653
01:34:05,840 --> 01:34:10,319
I think it motivates us to the ultimate

2654
01:34:08,238 --> 01:34:12,158
goal. And that ultimate goal, I think,

2655
01:34:10,319 --> 01:34:14,238
is that human beings constantly make

2656
01:34:12,158 --> 01:34:16,479
better stuff. Whatever it is, better

2657
01:34:14,238 --> 01:34:19,198
buildings, better planes, better cars,

2658
01:34:16,479 --> 01:34:22,000
better phones, better TVs, better

2659
01:34:19,198 --> 01:34:22,960
computers, better everything, artificial

2660
01:34:22,000 --> 01:34:25,520
life.

2661
01:34:22,960 --> 01:34:27,439
>> That might be the whole reason why we're

2662
01:34:25,520 --> 01:34:29,360
here. And the way I've always described

2663
01:34:27,439 --> 01:34:33,039
it is that we are

2664
01:34:29,359 --> 01:34:35,599
>> we are a biological caterpillar that's

2665
01:34:33,039 --> 01:34:37,119
making a digital cocoon. And we don't

2666
01:34:35,600 --> 01:34:39,120
even know why we're be going to become a

2667
01:34:37,119 --> 01:34:40,559
butterfly, but we're doing it. We're

2668
01:34:39,119 --> 01:34:43,119
doing it and we're moving towards it.

2669
01:34:40,560 --> 01:34:44,480
And it might be what happens to all life

2670
01:34:43,119 --> 01:34:47,920
all throughout the universe. And it

2671
01:34:44,479 --> 01:34:49,439
might be why these so-called aliens or

2672
01:34:47,920 --> 01:34:51,359
whatever the [ __ ] they are, it might be

2673
01:34:49,439 --> 01:34:53,678
us in the future. It might be other

2674
01:34:51,359 --> 01:34:57,039
versions of human beings that have gone

2675
01:34:53,679 --> 01:34:58,960
past whatever this period of development

2676
01:34:57,039 --> 01:35:01,279
that we're currently involved in right

2677
01:34:58,960 --> 01:35:03,679
now. This is just might be what happens.

2678
01:35:01,279 --> 01:35:06,639
This is what life always does. It might

2679
01:35:03,679 --> 01:35:09,359
realize that biological life, which is

2680
01:35:06,639 --> 01:35:12,239
very territorial and primal and sexual

2681
01:35:09,359 --> 01:35:16,000
and greedy and it has all these problems

2682
01:35:12,238 --> 01:35:18,079
with human reward systems ultimately

2683
01:35:16,000 --> 01:35:18,560
develops into this other thing,

2684
01:35:18,079 --> 01:35:20,000
>> right?

2685
01:35:18,560 --> 01:35:21,280
>> And then that's what we're doing. And

2686
01:35:20,000 --> 01:35:23,600
then we're in the process of that right

2687
01:35:21,279 --> 01:35:26,158
now. And I I think that when if if and

2688
01:35:23,600 --> 01:35:28,560
when not if but when when we colonize

2689
01:35:26,158 --> 01:35:30,238
Mars, I think that that that new world

2690
01:35:28,560 --> 01:35:31,520
order actually has the best chance to

2691
01:35:30,238 --> 01:35:32,399
take shape because it'll

2692
01:35:31,520 --> 01:35:34,400
>> you know, there's a lot of people that

2693
01:35:32,399 --> 01:35:35,679
think that Mars was already colonized at

2694
01:35:34,399 --> 01:35:37,439
one point in time.

2695
01:35:35,679 --> 01:35:39,119
>> That life already existed. What

2696
01:35:37,439 --> 01:35:41,279
>> that life already existed on Mars like

2697
01:35:39,119 --> 01:35:43,840
many millions of years ago and that

2698
01:35:41,279 --> 01:35:46,079
there's evidence of structures on Mars?

2699
01:35:43,840 --> 01:35:48,400
That's really weird stuff. Have you ever

2700
01:35:46,079 --> 01:35:49,600
seen the the square that they found on

2701
01:35:48,399 --> 01:35:51,599
Mars?

2702
01:35:49,600 --> 01:35:52,880
Okay, show them to them, Jamie.

2703
01:35:51,600 --> 01:35:55,440
>> One of the things that they're finding

2704
01:35:52,880 --> 01:35:57,440
with scans of Mars is like geometric

2705
01:35:55,439 --> 01:35:59,599
patterns and structures and right angles

2706
01:35:57,439 --> 01:36:00,960
that shouldn't exist. Like weird stuff

2707
01:35:59,600 --> 01:36:03,679
>> that couldn't be naturally.

2708
01:36:00,960 --> 01:36:06,079
>> No. No. Way weirder. Way weirder than

2709
01:36:03,679 --> 01:36:06,880
like the face on Sidonia. The Sidonia

2710
01:36:06,079 --> 01:36:07,279
thing is interesting.

2711
01:36:06,880 --> 01:36:10,079
>> Yeah.

2712
01:36:07,279 --> 01:36:11,119
>> Um and then this one. Look at that.

2713
01:36:10,079 --> 01:36:12,800
>> What the [ __ ] is that?

2714
01:36:11,119 --> 01:36:13,279
>> It looks like a home of some kind or

2715
01:36:12,800 --> 01:36:15,760
something.

2716
01:36:13,279 --> 01:36:18,800
>> Some enormous structure. And the size of

2717
01:36:15,760 --> 01:36:22,400
that, they don't know exactly, but it

2718
01:36:18,800 --> 01:36:25,039
may be as large as several kilometers or

2719
01:36:22,399 --> 01:36:26,479
as small as several hundred meters, but

2720
01:36:25,039 --> 01:36:28,719
they're not exactly sure. But what they

2721
01:36:26,479 --> 01:36:31,839
are sure is that it has very weird right

2722
01:36:28,719 --> 01:36:34,639
angles and right angles that seem to be

2723
01:36:31,840 --> 01:36:35,440
uniform in size.

2724
01:36:34,639 --> 01:36:36,960
>> That's crazy.

2725
01:36:35,439 --> 01:36:38,799
>> Like see how it's highlighted in the

2726
01:36:36,960 --> 01:36:41,039
enhanced photograph in the upper left?

2727
01:36:38,800 --> 01:36:42,719
Like what is that?

2728
01:36:41,039 --> 01:36:44,158
>> But sorry, did they and were they able

2729
01:36:42,719 --> 01:36:45,198
to send like the rover over there? I

2730
01:36:44,158 --> 01:36:46,719
don't know. It's too far away.

2731
01:36:45,198 --> 01:36:49,599
>> I don't think it's in the exact place

2732
01:36:46,719 --> 01:36:51,118
where the rover is at, but they're able

2733
01:36:49,600 --> 01:36:52,639
to get image of these things. And

2734
01:36:51,118 --> 01:36:53,519
there's several of these things.

2735
01:36:52,639 --> 01:36:55,679
>> That's insane.

2736
01:36:53,520 --> 01:36:58,239
>> Yeah, there's a lot of weird stuff.

2737
01:36:55,679 --> 01:37:00,480
There's a lot of weird stuff there. So,

2738
01:36:58,238 --> 01:37:03,678
there's also like ancient civilizations

2739
01:37:00,479 --> 01:37:05,279
that have these myths of us existing

2740
01:37:03,679 --> 01:37:09,118
somewhere else and coming here,

2741
01:37:05,279 --> 01:37:10,639
>> right? But you have to think if human

2742
01:37:09,118 --> 01:37:13,118
beings

2743
01:37:10,639 --> 01:37:15,440
develop somewhere else and they they

2744
01:37:13,118 --> 01:37:16,799
reach some high level of sophistication

2745
01:37:15,439 --> 01:37:18,719
and then they experienced some

2746
01:37:16,800 --> 01:37:20,880
cataclysmic disaster that completely

2747
01:37:18,719 --> 01:37:22,719
destroyed their environment which is

2748
01:37:20,880 --> 01:37:24,319
what Mars is, right? So like let's

2749
01:37:22,719 --> 01:37:26,319
assume that Mars was at one point in

2750
01:37:24,319 --> 01:37:28,719
time

2751
01:37:26,319 --> 01:37:30,319
was habitable and that life existed and

2752
01:37:28,719 --> 01:37:32,480
we know it was at one point in time. We

2753
01:37:30,319 --> 01:37:34,559
know there was water on Mars. We know

2754
01:37:32,479 --> 01:37:36,559
and there's some sort of evidence of at

2755
01:37:34,560 --> 01:37:39,119
least some sort of a very primitive

2756
01:37:36,560 --> 01:37:40,719
biological life on Mars.

2757
01:37:39,118 --> 01:37:42,158
>> If they got to a point where they said,

2758
01:37:40,719 --> 01:37:44,639
"Hey, this [ __ ] place is falling

2759
01:37:42,158 --> 01:37:46,399
apart, but this Earth spot looks pretty

2760
01:37:44,639 --> 01:37:48,719
good."

2761
01:37:46,399 --> 01:37:50,879
And they go there, but then cataclysms

2762
01:37:48,719 --> 01:37:52,800
happen on Earth and no one remembers cuz

2763
01:37:50,880 --> 01:37:54,800
all your information's on hard drives

2764
01:37:52,800 --> 01:37:57,520
and then you have to rebuild society.

2765
01:37:54,800 --> 01:37:59,679
And so you're re-remembering. And so you

2766
01:37:57,520 --> 01:38:02,000
have all these myths of how everything

2767
01:37:59,679 --> 01:38:03,920
started, you know, whether it's Adam and

2768
01:38:02,000 --> 01:38:06,000
Eve or the great flood or whatever these

2769
01:38:03,920 --> 01:38:07,679
things are that we passed down through

2770
01:38:06,000 --> 01:38:09,439
oral tradition for hundreds of years and

2771
01:38:07,679 --> 01:38:11,920
then eventually write it down and then

2772
01:38:09,439 --> 01:38:14,079
people try to decipher what it means and

2773
01:38:11,920 --> 01:38:15,679
they sit in church and try to go over

2774
01:38:14,079 --> 01:38:17,359
what what did it mean? Like what does

2775
01:38:15,679 --> 01:38:19,600
this mean? Like what what is the what is

2776
01:38:17,359 --> 01:38:22,399
the re the real origin of all these

2777
01:38:19,600 --> 01:38:24,880
stories? We don't know.

2778
01:38:22,399 --> 01:38:27,198
>> I mean that's crazy. It's crazy. But if

2779
01:38:24,880 --> 01:38:29,039
life it sounds nuts, why would life life

2780
01:38:27,198 --> 01:38:31,118
couldn't have possibly existed on Mars?

2781
01:38:29,039 --> 01:38:33,760
How the [ __ ] does life exist on Earth?

2782
01:38:31,118 --> 01:38:35,198
That how about that? How about why why

2783
01:38:33,760 --> 01:38:37,199
would we assume that it wouldn't have

2784
01:38:35,198 --> 01:38:38,799
existed at one point in time and

2785
01:38:37,198 --> 01:38:39,519
Terrence Howard who is a very

2786
01:38:38,800 --> 01:38:40,079
interesting guy.

2787
01:38:39,520 --> 01:38:40,719
>> Very interesting.

2788
01:38:40,079 --> 01:38:41,920
>> And got some

2789
01:38:40,719 --> 01:38:43,840
>> Europe is I mean

2790
01:38:41,920 --> 01:38:44,480
>> with Eric Weinstein crazy.

2791
01:38:43,840 --> 01:38:45,600
>> Yeah. Crazy.

2792
01:38:44,479 --> 01:38:47,759
>> Yeah, that one was crazy.

2793
01:38:45,600 --> 01:38:50,079
>> Um and him alone, but he's got some

2794
01:38:47,760 --> 01:38:53,039
[ __ ] weird ideas that you just make

2795
01:38:50,079 --> 01:38:55,519
you go. He's a very brilliant guy and

2796
01:38:53,039 --> 01:38:59,359
you know kind of a strange heterodox

2797
01:38:55,520 --> 01:39:01,280
thinker right and one of his ideas is

2798
01:38:59,359 --> 01:39:04,960
that

2799
01:39:01,279 --> 01:39:08,399
planets get to a certain distance from a

2800
01:39:04,960 --> 01:39:10,800
sun and they people and that it gets to

2801
01:39:08,399 --> 01:39:13,118
a certain climate and a certain distance

2802
01:39:10,800 --> 01:39:15,039
and his his

2803
01:39:13,118 --> 01:39:18,960
idea is that I don't know if you realize

2804
01:39:15,039 --> 01:39:22,800
that there's a a there's a giant um

2805
01:39:18,960 --> 01:39:24,800
ejection of of of some coronal mass

2806
01:39:22,800 --> 01:39:26,159
ejection that just happened recently on

2807
01:39:24,800 --> 01:39:27,199
the sun and they're very concerned about

2808
01:39:26,158 --> 01:39:29,439
it. They don't know what's going to

2809
01:39:27,198 --> 01:39:33,039
happen. It happens all the time. A sun

2810
01:39:29,439 --> 01:39:35,279
releases these giant chunks of material

2811
01:39:33,039 --> 01:39:37,439
>> and he thinks that these materials get

2812
01:39:35,279 --> 01:39:40,079
far enough away from the planet and then

2813
01:39:37,439 --> 01:39:41,678
they coalesce into planets or far enough

2814
01:39:40,079 --> 01:39:44,079
away from the sun. They coales into

2815
01:39:41,679 --> 01:39:46,319
planets and as time goes on they get a

2816
01:39:44,079 --> 01:39:48,399
further and further distance from the

2817
01:39:46,319 --> 01:39:51,039
sun and then obviously they get hit with

2818
01:39:48,399 --> 01:39:54,079
asteroids and there's panspermia and

2819
01:39:51,039 --> 01:39:56,479
water gets into them from comets and

2820
01:39:54,079 --> 01:39:58,238
then they develop oceans and then they

2821
01:39:56,479 --> 01:40:00,399
develop biological life and when they

2822
01:39:58,238 --> 01:40:03,519
have a certain amount of distance from

2823
01:40:00,399 --> 01:40:05,118
the sun they people and he thinks that

2824
01:40:03,520 --> 01:40:06,719
as they get further and further and

2825
01:40:05,118 --> 01:40:09,039
further away they get less and less

2826
01:40:06,719 --> 01:40:11,279
habitable and then they get to a point

2827
01:40:09,039 --> 01:40:13,600
where they have their techn technology

2828
01:40:11,279 --> 01:40:15,519
to a point where they realize like we

2829
01:40:13,600 --> 01:40:18,079
can't sustain life on this planet

2830
01:40:15,520 --> 01:40:19,520
anymore. We got to go to that other one.

2831
01:40:18,079 --> 01:40:21,519
And so do they go to the one that's

2832
01:40:19,520 --> 01:40:23,199
closer to the sun because they're too

2833
01:40:21,520 --> 01:40:24,560
far now.

2834
01:40:23,198 --> 01:40:25,039
>> It's a nutty idea.

2835
01:40:24,560 --> 01:40:26,719
>> Jesus Christ.

2836
01:40:25,039 --> 01:40:31,039
>> It's a nutty idea. But if you think

2837
01:40:26,719 --> 01:40:32,639
about how recent our sun is in terms of

2838
01:40:31,039 --> 01:40:34,960
the solar system itself, in terms of

2839
01:40:32,639 --> 01:40:37,359
rather the galaxy itself. So if the

2840
01:40:34,960 --> 01:40:40,800
universe, if the big bang is correct and

2841
01:40:37,359 --> 01:40:43,198
our universe existed and it was rather

2842
01:40:40,800 --> 01:40:46,079
our universe erupted from nothing or

2843
01:40:43,198 --> 01:40:48,238
from a very small thing 13.7 billion

2844
01:40:46,079 --> 01:40:50,960
years ago. Well, this [ __ ] planet's

2845
01:40:48,238 --> 01:40:53,359
only 4 something billion years old,

2846
01:40:50,960 --> 01:40:54,719
right? And life is only, you know, a

2847
01:40:53,359 --> 01:40:56,479
little bit less than that. Yeah.

2848
01:40:54,719 --> 01:40:58,158
>> So you have like a billion years or so

2849
01:40:56,479 --> 01:40:59,439
where there's nothing and then you start

2850
01:40:58,158 --> 01:41:01,198
getting single- cellled organisms,

2851
01:40:59,439 --> 01:41:02,799
multi-elled organisms, and eventually it

2852
01:41:01,198 --> 01:41:04,559
peoples.

2853
01:41:02,800 --> 01:41:06,880
And when it gets to a certain point when

2854
01:41:04,560 --> 01:41:08,800
these people have advanced their

2855
01:41:06,880 --> 01:41:10,880
curiosity and their innovation to the

2856
01:41:08,800 --> 01:41:13,279
point where they can harness space

2857
01:41:10,880 --> 01:41:14,319
travel and they use zero point energy

2858
01:41:13,279 --> 01:41:16,238
and they have a bunch of different

2859
01:41:14,319 --> 01:41:18,880
things that we haven't invented yet. And

2860
01:41:16,238 --> 01:41:20,000
then their environment degrades and it

2861
01:41:18,880 --> 01:41:22,079
gets to the point where they realize

2862
01:41:20,000 --> 01:41:24,479
like hey we're getting pummeled by

2863
01:41:22,079 --> 01:41:24,880
asteroids. We can't sustain life here

2864
01:41:24,479 --> 01:41:25,599
anymore.

2865
01:41:24,880 --> 01:41:27,760
>> We got to move

2866
01:41:25,600 --> 01:41:29,520
>> like Elon wants to go to Mars which

2867
01:41:27,760 --> 01:41:30,320
might be the wrong answer. We might want

2868
01:41:29,520 --> 01:41:32,800
to go that way.

2869
01:41:30,319 --> 01:41:35,198
>> There are closer to the sun.

2870
01:41:32,800 --> 01:41:37,600
>> Exactly. I mean, the thing is he's got

2871
01:41:35,198 --> 01:41:38,319
everything it he needs now to get there.

2872
01:41:37,600 --> 01:41:39,679
Like I

2873
01:41:38,319 --> 01:41:40,399
>> I'm not going. Are you going?

2874
01:41:39,679 --> 01:41:43,039
>> I would go.

2875
01:41:40,399 --> 01:41:44,719
>> [ __ ] that. I'll send you an email.

2876
01:41:43,039 --> 01:41:45,920
>> Hold on a second. Think Think about

2877
01:41:44,719 --> 01:41:47,198
Think about what he's going to take.

2878
01:41:45,920 --> 01:41:48,639
Okay, look.

2879
01:41:47,198 --> 01:41:50,799
>> When Let's just say he gets there with

2880
01:41:48,639 --> 01:41:54,159
the city. He has

2881
01:41:50,800 --> 01:41:54,560
>> he has the way to transport us there,

2882
01:41:54,158 --> 01:41:59,198
>> right?

2883
01:41:54,560 --> 01:42:01,039
>> Okay. Then when you land, he's got the

2884
01:41:59,198 --> 01:42:01,839
way to actually transport us around on

2885
01:42:01,039 --> 01:42:03,600
the

2886
01:42:01,840 --> 01:42:04,880
>> on the planet, right? He's got Tesla,

2887
01:42:03,600 --> 01:42:06,880
>> right?

2888
01:42:04,880 --> 01:42:08,480
>> He will have already sent a fleet of his

2889
01:42:06,880 --> 01:42:10,319
robots.

2890
01:42:08,479 --> 01:42:12,479
Those folks will have made some

2891
01:42:10,319 --> 01:42:14,639
inhabitable city

2892
01:42:12,479 --> 01:42:15,919
probably using the Boring Company drill

2893
01:42:14,639 --> 01:42:17,279
because you you're going to, you know,

2894
01:42:15,920 --> 01:42:18,960
be under the regalith that you don't

2895
01:42:17,279 --> 01:42:21,439
want to be on the top. Maybe you just

2896
01:42:18,960 --> 01:42:22,319
dig a hole and you you inhabit down

2897
01:42:21,439 --> 01:42:24,960
there.

2898
01:42:22,319 --> 01:42:27,679
>> Um he's got all the ways to make energy.

2899
01:42:24,960 --> 01:42:30,480
He has the AI to help you design the

2900
01:42:27,679 --> 01:42:32,480
stuff. He has the communication way to

2901
01:42:30,479 --> 01:42:34,000
communicate. He's got the internet, his

2902
01:42:32,479 --> 01:42:35,919
own internet. So that right

2903
01:42:34,000 --> 01:42:38,158
>> so he can get, you know, all of the

2904
01:42:35,920 --> 01:42:41,199
information to everybody. And then he's

2905
01:42:38,158 --> 01:42:43,439
got money and the super app so that you

2906
01:42:41,198 --> 01:42:45,839
can transact. And then I think to myself

2907
01:42:43,439 --> 01:42:47,678
like what is he actually missing? And

2908
01:42:45,840 --> 01:42:51,199
then what happens if he if he gets there

2909
01:42:47,679 --> 01:42:52,960
first? Is he just allowed to just do

2910
01:42:51,198 --> 01:42:54,319
whatever he wants? Like is it just kind

2911
01:42:52,960 --> 01:42:55,198
of like a free-for-all? like

2912
01:42:54,319 --> 01:42:56,960
>> well kind of

2913
01:42:55,198 --> 01:42:57,599
>> it's his constitution. Like is that what

2914
01:42:56,960 --> 01:43:00,079
happens?

2915
01:42:57,600 --> 01:43:01,440
>> Well, it's like earth but shittier.

2916
01:43:00,079 --> 01:43:02,719
>> Like we already have all those things

2917
01:43:01,439 --> 01:43:04,238
here. Why would you want to go to a

2918
01:43:02,719 --> 01:43:05,760
place where you die when you go outside?

2919
01:43:04,238 --> 01:43:07,678
>> I think what people will be attracted to

2920
01:43:05,760 --> 01:43:09,600
is that if he publishes his version of

2921
01:43:07,679 --> 01:43:11,118
what the rules are there, there's a

2922
01:43:09,600 --> 01:43:12,480
chance that he could make them really

2923
01:43:11,118 --> 01:43:14,158
different to what the rules are here.

2924
01:43:12,479 --> 01:43:17,118
>> Like what kind of rules would you do if

2925
01:43:14,158 --> 01:43:21,599
you were the king of Mars? Um

2926
01:43:17,118 --> 01:43:24,639
so I think that your view is incredibly

2927
01:43:21,600 --> 01:43:26,320
to me like um positive some like of

2928
01:43:24,639 --> 01:43:27,199
humanity of like we want to make things

2929
01:43:26,319 --> 01:43:28,799
better. Mhm.

2930
01:43:27,198 --> 01:43:31,118
>> So if I think about that as like a

2931
01:43:28,800 --> 01:43:32,719
function, what happens that that's like

2932
01:43:31,118 --> 01:43:35,279
so our natural rate of direction is

2933
01:43:32,719 --> 01:43:36,480
forward what pushes back on that and a

2934
01:43:35,279 --> 01:43:38,158
lot of it what you find is like

2935
01:43:36,479 --> 01:43:38,559
government regulation rules all that

2936
01:43:38,158 --> 01:43:39,359
stuff

2937
01:43:38,560 --> 01:43:42,480
>> greed

2938
01:43:39,359 --> 01:43:43,039
>> greed um too much focus on attention

2939
01:43:42,479 --> 01:43:45,759
>> right

2940
01:43:43,039 --> 01:43:47,439
>> so I would try to experiment with like

2941
01:43:45,760 --> 01:43:49,520
what the incentives would have to be so

2942
01:43:47,439 --> 01:43:51,198
that you had more unfettered

2943
01:43:49,520 --> 01:43:52,719
entrepreneurship like just like do the

2944
01:43:51,198 --> 01:43:54,879
thing that you think is right

2945
01:43:52,719 --> 01:43:57,198
>> and there's a mechanism where we give

2946
01:43:54,880 --> 01:43:59,440
you the ability to then make things for

2947
01:43:57,198 --> 01:44:00,719
more people because you're proving that

2948
01:43:59,439 --> 01:44:03,599
you're actually really good at making

2949
01:44:00,719 --> 01:44:06,719
things. And if you don't need money at

2950
01:44:03,600 --> 01:44:09,280
that point in society, reorienting us

2951
01:44:06,719 --> 01:44:11,118
away from this kind of like brittle form

2952
01:44:09,279 --> 01:44:12,880
of exchange to something more useful,

2953
01:44:11,118 --> 01:44:14,158
that's worth experimenting with. I think

2954
01:44:12,880 --> 01:44:16,079
that's an important

2955
01:44:14,158 --> 01:44:18,879
>> Well, there's also the concept of the

2956
01:44:16,079 --> 01:44:22,559
self of the individual which may erode

2957
01:44:18,880 --> 01:44:25,199
with technological innovation. So, if we

2958
01:44:22,560 --> 01:44:27,199
really can read each other's minds, if

2959
01:44:25,198 --> 01:44:30,079
we really do get to a point where we're

2960
01:44:27,198 --> 01:44:34,479
communicating through technologically

2961
01:44:30,079 --> 01:44:37,279
assisted telepathy, like a lot of the

2962
01:44:34,479 --> 01:44:38,799
whole the weirdness of people is I don't

2963
01:44:37,279 --> 01:44:41,118
know what you're thinking. I don't know

2964
01:44:38,800 --> 01:44:43,119
if I should trust you. You know, this

2965
01:44:41,118 --> 01:44:45,118
[ __ ] might be devious. You know,

2966
01:44:43,118 --> 01:44:45,439
you know what I mean? Well, we'll know,

2967
01:44:45,118 --> 01:44:47,198
right?

2968
01:44:45,439 --> 01:44:50,079
>> And there will be no need for all that

2969
01:44:47,198 --> 01:44:51,759
if we really are all one. If that's

2970
01:44:50,079 --> 01:44:53,359
ultimately something that can be

2971
01:44:51,760 --> 01:44:54,560
achieved with technology,

2972
01:44:53,359 --> 01:44:57,118
>> like this hive mind.

2973
01:44:54,560 --> 01:44:58,719
>> Yes. Like legitimate hive mind. And then

2974
01:44:57,118 --> 01:45:00,559
like look where society's going.

2975
01:44:58,719 --> 01:45:03,198
Gender's kind of falling apart. People

2976
01:45:00,560 --> 01:45:04,960
are getting they're reproducing less,

2977
01:45:03,198 --> 01:45:07,279
right? People are are having less

2978
01:45:04,960 --> 01:45:09,359
testosterone, more miscarriages, less

2979
01:45:07,279 --> 01:45:13,198
fertile. We're kind of moving into this

2980
01:45:09,359 --> 01:45:18,960
genderless direction. And I don't know

2981
01:45:13,198 --> 01:45:20,319
if it's by design, but microlastics and

2982
01:45:18,960 --> 01:45:22,239
phalates and all these different

2983
01:45:20,319 --> 01:45:24,399
chemicals that are endocrine disruptors

2984
01:45:22,238 --> 01:45:25,118
are all ubiquitous in our society. Well,

2985
01:45:24,399 --> 01:45:27,279
does

2986
01:45:25,118 --> 01:45:28,479
>> is that a coincidence that that's all

2987
01:45:27,279 --> 01:45:30,880
happening at the same time as

2988
01:45:28,479 --> 01:45:32,959
technological innovation on mass scale?

2989
01:45:30,880 --> 01:45:35,199
Is it? I don't know. Because like what's

2990
01:45:32,960 --> 01:45:38,239
the one thing that's holding us back?

2991
01:45:35,198 --> 01:45:41,039
Well, that we're territorial primates

2992
01:45:38,238 --> 01:45:43,759
with thermonuclear weapons and that we

2993
01:45:41,039 --> 01:45:46,000
exist in a sort of tribal mindset, but

2994
01:45:43,760 --> 01:45:46,400
yet we do it on a planet of 8 billion

2995
01:45:46,000 --> 01:45:48,000
people.

2996
01:45:46,399 --> 01:45:50,879
>> Yeah. No, no. The key differentiator of

2997
01:45:48,000 --> 01:45:51,600
humans is our our ability to enact

2998
01:45:50,880 --> 01:45:51,920
violence.

2999
01:45:51,600 --> 01:45:55,119
>> Yeah.

3000
01:45:51,920 --> 01:45:55,840
>> To to methodically execute premeditated

3001
01:45:55,118 --> 01:46:00,238
violence.

3002
01:45:55,840 --> 01:46:02,400
>> Yes. And and greed and attention. And

3003
01:46:00,238 --> 01:46:05,839
one of the things that attention is

3004
01:46:02,399 --> 01:46:08,079
sexual preference or or sexual rather

3005
01:46:05,840 --> 01:46:10,400
attention like the ability to procreate,

3006
01:46:08,079 --> 01:46:12,000
the ability to acquire mates, right?

3007
01:46:10,399 --> 01:46:13,599
Like the more resources you have, the

3008
01:46:12,000 --> 01:46:15,520
more attractive you'll be, especially

3009
01:46:13,600 --> 01:46:17,039
for males and males are the ones that

3010
01:46:15,520 --> 01:46:19,520
are involved in the violence in the

3011
01:46:17,039 --> 01:46:21,439
first place. You know, there's I can't

3012
01:46:19,520 --> 01:46:21,840
name a single war that was started by a

3013
01:46:21,439 --> 01:46:24,960
woman.

3014
01:46:21,840 --> 01:46:29,159
>> How do you how do you teach your kids

3015
01:46:24,960 --> 01:46:29,158
that attention is not everything?

3016
01:46:29,760 --> 01:46:33,280
That's a good question. Especially in

3017
01:46:31,279 --> 01:46:35,039
this society, it's probably harder to do

3018
01:46:33,279 --> 01:46:36,880
that now than ever before

3019
01:46:35,039 --> 01:46:39,840
>> because the reaction that I suspect most

3020
01:46:36,880 --> 01:46:42,880
kids will have is like,

3021
01:46:39,840 --> 01:46:44,800
"Stop. Like, leave me alone." Like, it's

3022
01:46:42,880 --> 01:46:48,639
just it's almost an impossible thing.

3023
01:46:44,800 --> 01:46:50,960
>> Well, I think kids learn more from their

3024
01:46:48,639 --> 01:46:53,920
parents' behavior than anything you say

3025
01:46:50,960 --> 01:46:57,118
to them. I think they learn from the way

3026
01:46:53,920 --> 01:46:58,800
you behave and the way you exist and the

3027
01:46:57,118 --> 01:47:02,238
way you exist with them.

3028
01:46:58,800 --> 01:47:05,600
>> And if you are constantly whoring

3029
01:47:02,238 --> 01:47:06,959
yourself out for attention,

3030
01:47:05,600 --> 01:47:08,960
>> it's one thing if you get a lot of

3031
01:47:06,960 --> 01:47:10,719
attention from what you do, but if

3032
01:47:08,960 --> 01:47:11,118
that's your primary goal, they're going

3033
01:47:10,719 --> 01:47:13,118
to know.

3034
01:47:11,118 --> 01:47:14,960
>> Do your kids know how famous and

3035
01:47:13,118 --> 01:47:15,439
influential you are? Like honest

3036
01:47:14,960 --> 01:47:16,880
question.

3037
01:47:15,439 --> 01:47:18,719
>> Oh, yeah. They know.

3038
01:47:16,880 --> 01:47:20,319
>> But do do they have a real sense of it

3039
01:47:18,719 --> 01:47:22,399
or do you just kind of like

3040
01:47:20,319 --> 01:47:23,920
>> Yes, they can. I mean, how can you? It's

3041
01:47:22,399 --> 01:47:27,359
got to be weird as [ __ ] growing up with

3042
01:47:23,920 --> 01:47:29,199
a very famous dad. It's very odd, but

3043
01:47:27,359 --> 01:47:30,158
it's not my primary goal.

3044
01:47:29,198 --> 01:47:31,759
>> Yeah, this is my point. You're not

3045
01:47:30,158 --> 01:47:33,439
You're not putting it in their face.

3046
01:47:31,760 --> 01:47:34,639
>> So, to your point, you're not modeling

3047
01:47:33,439 --> 01:47:37,678
attention is all you do.

3048
01:47:34,639 --> 01:47:42,319
>> No, no. I have interesting conversations

3049
01:47:37,679 --> 01:47:44,239
with cool people. I tell jokes and I

3050
01:47:42,319 --> 01:47:45,198
call fights. Like, those are the things

3051
01:47:44,238 --> 01:47:47,359
that I do.

3052
01:47:45,198 --> 01:47:49,039
>> And they also know that I have a very

3053
01:47:47,359 --> 01:47:50,719
strong work ethic and that I work

3054
01:47:49,039 --> 01:47:52,960
towards things. So they have very strong

3055
01:47:50,719 --> 01:47:54,158
work ethics. They're very motivated and

3056
01:47:52,960 --> 01:47:56,960
disciplined, like shockingly

3057
01:47:54,158 --> 01:47:59,039
disciplined. And I think that's modeled.

3058
01:47:56,960 --> 01:48:01,600
I think that that comes from and they

3059
01:47:59,039 --> 01:48:04,960
also like really enjoy achieving goals.

3060
01:48:01,600 --> 01:48:09,440
And they're they're rewarded for it with

3061
01:48:04,960 --> 01:48:11,439
praise and with admiration, but not

3062
01:48:09,439 --> 01:48:13,839
never with like you're better than other

3063
01:48:11,439 --> 01:48:16,079
people. Yeah. Ne never like it's the the

3064
01:48:13,840 --> 01:48:18,560
idea is like all human beings are

3065
01:48:16,079 --> 01:48:21,920
capable of greatness. So, it's like find

3066
01:48:18,560 --> 01:48:23,520
the thing that you excel at and if you

3067
01:48:21,920 --> 01:48:24,239
throw yourself into that, it's very

3068
01:48:23,520 --> 01:48:26,000
rewarding.

3069
01:48:24,238 --> 01:48:28,399
>> I really I really believe in this. I

3070
01:48:26,000 --> 01:48:29,600
tell this story when I interview people.

3071
01:48:28,399 --> 01:48:30,799
When I interview people, I'm always

3072
01:48:29,600 --> 01:48:32,560
like, you know, just at whatever

3073
01:48:30,800 --> 01:48:34,960
company, I'm always like I first only

3074
01:48:32,560 --> 01:48:36,480
want to know about them. I'm like, [ __ ]

3075
01:48:34,960 --> 01:48:38,800
your resume. Like, tell me about your

3076
01:48:36,479 --> 01:48:40,879
parents and how you grew up. I just want

3077
01:48:38,800 --> 01:48:43,039
to know that. Stop at 18. Everything

3078
01:48:40,880 --> 01:48:43,679
before 18. Just tell me every little

3079
01:48:43,039 --> 01:48:44,238
detail,

3080
01:48:43,679 --> 01:48:45,679
>> right?

3081
01:48:44,238 --> 01:48:47,759
>> You know, and some people tell me these

3082
01:48:45,679 --> 01:48:49,920
incredible stories. They'll be like, you

3083
01:48:47,760 --> 01:48:52,960
know, my mom was an alcoholic or this or

3084
01:48:49,920 --> 01:48:54,880
that. And I'm just like, man, this is so

3085
01:48:52,960 --> 01:48:56,319
valuable because it allows me to

3086
01:48:54,880 --> 01:48:57,840
understand who they are. The second part

3087
01:48:56,319 --> 01:48:59,439
of the interview,

3088
01:48:57,840 --> 01:49:01,279
>> we do the business [ __ ] But the third

3089
01:48:59,439 --> 01:49:03,039
part, I tell this story. This is a crazy

3090
01:49:01,279 --> 01:49:05,519
story about what you're just saying.

3091
01:49:03,039 --> 01:49:08,079
>> They ran this experiment at Stanford

3092
01:49:05,520 --> 01:49:11,280
where they take like a big bowl, fill it

3093
01:49:08,079 --> 01:49:12,800
with water, and they drop in a mouse and

3094
01:49:11,279 --> 01:49:15,039
they measure how long it takes for the

3095
01:49:12,800 --> 01:49:16,800
mouse to drown. They do it like a

3096
01:49:15,039 --> 01:49:18,238
hundred times. The average was about

3097
01:49:16,800 --> 01:49:20,400
four minutes, call it four, four and a

3098
01:49:18,238 --> 01:49:22,718
half minutes.

3099
01:49:20,399 --> 01:49:25,599
Then they run the experiment again, 100

3100
01:49:22,719 --> 01:49:27,439
mice, and at minute three or three and a

3101
01:49:25,600 --> 01:49:29,600
half, they take it out, they dry it off,

3102
01:49:27,439 --> 01:49:31,198
they play it music, and they whisper

3103
01:49:29,600 --> 01:49:32,719
like sweet nothings into the mouse's

3104
01:49:31,198 --> 01:49:37,359
ear. They drop the mouse back in the

3105
01:49:32,719 --> 01:49:39,760
water, and that mouse treads water for

3106
01:49:37,359 --> 01:49:43,839
60 hours the next hundred mice on

3107
01:49:39,760 --> 01:49:46,960
average. And the upper bound was 80. And

3108
01:49:43,840 --> 01:49:48,800
I thought to myself like that is all

3109
01:49:46,960 --> 01:49:50,239
just potential right there. Like that's

3110
01:49:48,800 --> 01:49:51,920
all like there's all this latent

3111
01:49:50,238 --> 01:49:53,839
potential. So if an animal has it, I'm

3112
01:49:51,920 --> 01:49:54,960
going to assume that humans have it too,

3113
01:49:53,840 --> 01:49:56,639
>> right?

3114
01:49:54,960 --> 01:49:58,480
>> But you never get a chance to unlock it.

3115
01:49:56,639 --> 01:50:00,159
Like the average person is just kind of

3116
01:49:58,479 --> 01:50:01,678
like living a life where they're maybe

3117
01:50:00,158 --> 01:50:03,118
scratching five or 10% of their

3118
01:50:01,679 --> 01:50:04,880
potential. And the question is, how do

3119
01:50:03,118 --> 01:50:06,639
you get to that other 90%. Like how does

3120
01:50:04,880 --> 01:50:08,880
the second batch of mice How do the

3121
01:50:06,639 --> 01:50:09,440
second batch of mice tread water for 60

3122
01:50:08,880 --> 01:50:10,960
hours?

3123
01:50:09,439 --> 01:50:14,960
>> Well, the doesn't make any sense to me.

3124
01:50:10,960 --> 01:50:16,639
all the same mice, right? I think the I

3125
01:50:14,960 --> 01:50:17,439
think the mice get rescued,

3126
01:50:16,639 --> 01:50:20,000
>> they get rescued

3127
01:50:17,439 --> 01:50:22,319
>> and then when they try it again those

3128
01:50:20,000 --> 01:50:25,359
same mice last longer, right? So it's

3129
01:50:22,319 --> 01:50:27,439
the same mice. So it's an experience.

3130
01:50:25,359 --> 01:50:29,198
>> So they have experience now. They

3131
01:50:27,439 --> 01:50:31,439
understand that they can tread water

3132
01:50:29,198 --> 01:50:33,599
where they didn't die. So they

3133
01:50:31,439 --> 01:50:34,879
understand that they can survive where

3134
01:50:33,600 --> 01:50:36,079
they didn't know that they could survive

3135
01:50:34,880 --> 01:50:37,039
the first time they were thrown into the

3136
01:50:36,079 --> 01:50:39,198
water because they had never been thrown

3137
01:50:37,039 --> 01:50:41,359
into water before. That's the same thing

3138
01:50:39,198 --> 01:50:43,198
that happens to people when they fight.

3139
01:50:41,359 --> 01:50:45,599
Like the first time people ever have a

3140
01:50:43,198 --> 01:50:47,678
competition, they [ __ ] panic and they

3141
01:50:45,600 --> 01:50:50,239
they get really scared and they get

3142
01:50:47,679 --> 01:50:52,560
really like filled with anxiety. But

3143
01:50:50,238 --> 01:50:54,238
after a while, you get relaxed and

3144
01:50:52,560 --> 01:50:56,239
that's when you get really dangerous

3145
01:50:54,238 --> 01:50:58,000
because then you get calm and you could

3146
01:50:56,238 --> 01:51:00,319
keep your [ __ ] together while you're in

3147
01:50:58,000 --> 01:51:02,158
the middle of all this chaos because you

3148
01:51:00,319 --> 01:51:03,840
have the experience of it. Without the

3149
01:51:02,158 --> 01:51:05,439
experience of it, very few people do

3150
01:51:03,840 --> 01:51:07,199
well the first time, right? Unless

3151
01:51:05,439 --> 01:51:10,319
you're exceptionally talented and and

3152
01:51:07,198 --> 01:51:11,839
you have other competition experience,

3153
01:51:10,319 --> 01:51:13,359
like you've competed in other things,

3154
01:51:11,840 --> 01:51:14,800
like maybe you played football or some

3155
01:51:13,359 --> 01:51:16,719
other things and you know what it's like

3156
01:51:14,800 --> 01:51:18,400
to actually perform under pressure.

3157
01:51:16,719 --> 01:51:20,960
>> What is the what is the version of

3158
01:51:18,399 --> 01:51:22,479
giving more humans a chance to get to

3159
01:51:20,960 --> 01:51:25,039
that?

3160
01:51:22,479 --> 01:51:27,118
Well, I think sports are really good for

3161
01:51:25,039 --> 01:51:29,600
that because performing under people

3162
01:51:27,118 --> 01:51:31,198
paying attention to you and performing

3163
01:51:29,600 --> 01:51:32,880
where people are trying to stop you from

3164
01:51:31,198 --> 01:51:35,039
doing something and you're trying to do

3165
01:51:32,880 --> 01:51:38,239
something and there's all these unknowns

3166
01:51:35,039 --> 01:51:40,319
and recognizing that hard work allows

3167
01:51:38,238 --> 01:51:43,039
you to do whatever you're trying to do

3168
01:51:40,319 --> 01:51:44,238
better than you previously had. One of

3169
01:51:43,039 --> 01:51:46,639
the things my martial arts instructor

3170
01:51:44,238 --> 01:51:48,079
said to me when I was young is that

3171
01:51:46,639 --> 01:51:50,719
martial arts are a vehicle for

3172
01:51:48,079 --> 01:51:52,479
developing your human potential. And

3173
01:51:50,719 --> 01:51:54,319
that through this very difficult thing

3174
01:51:52,479 --> 01:51:57,919
that you're trying to do,

3175
01:51:54,319 --> 01:52:01,439
>> you're learning that, oh, if I just

3176
01:51:57,920 --> 01:52:04,480
think smart and think hard and train

3177
01:52:01,439 --> 01:52:07,359
wise and train hard and discipline

3178
01:52:04,479 --> 01:52:09,118
myself to endure suffering so that I can

3179
01:52:07,359 --> 01:52:11,039
develop more endurance and more speed

3180
01:52:09,118 --> 01:52:12,238
and more power and more technique

3181
01:52:11,039 --> 01:52:13,840
because I accumulate all this

3182
01:52:12,238 --> 01:52:16,238
information and I really think about

3183
01:52:13,840 --> 01:52:18,159
what it is and apply it with drills and

3184
01:52:16,238 --> 01:52:19,198
with training, I can get better at this

3185
01:52:18,158 --> 01:52:21,198
thing. And every time I get better at

3186
01:52:19,198 --> 01:52:23,279
this thing, I get rewarded psychically,

3187
01:52:21,198 --> 01:52:24,799
like mentally, you feel better. Like I

3188
01:52:23,279 --> 01:52:26,719
know that I'm better now. And then

3189
01:52:24,800 --> 01:52:28,320
there's the belt system, right? You

3190
01:52:26,719 --> 01:52:30,239
start off, you're a white belt. And in

3191
01:52:28,319 --> 01:52:31,599
taekwondo, you get a blue belt and then

3192
01:52:30,238 --> 01:52:33,198
after you get a blue belt, you get a

3193
01:52:31,599 --> 01:52:34,560
green belt. And then if you get a I

3194
01:52:33,198 --> 01:52:36,000
think it's green belt first and then I

3195
01:52:34,560 --> 01:52:37,679
forget how it goes. And then it's red

3196
01:52:36,000 --> 01:52:39,760
belt and black belt. And like when

3197
01:52:37,679 --> 01:52:41,760
you're a black belt, like holy [ __ ] So

3198
01:52:39,760 --> 01:52:43,599
it's this thing where you've developed

3199
01:52:41,760 --> 01:52:45,920
to a point where you've gotten to this

3200
01:52:43,599 --> 01:52:48,079
next stage. So all along the way you've

3201
01:52:45,920 --> 01:52:50,158
been rewarded for your hard work and

3202
01:52:48,079 --> 01:52:51,039
then you realize like oh I could do this

3203
01:52:50,158 --> 01:52:53,039
with everything in life.

3204
01:52:51,039 --> 01:52:53,760
>> Is a reward different than attention? It

3205
01:52:53,039 --> 01:52:56,238
is.

3206
01:52:53,760 --> 01:52:59,280
>> It is because it's internal right.

3207
01:52:56,238 --> 01:53:01,678
You're you're all you're realizing that

3208
01:52:59,279 --> 01:53:04,158
you could apply this to you know

3209
01:53:01,679 --> 01:53:07,118
whatever it is to carpentry to music.

3210
01:53:04,158 --> 01:53:08,879
You you just it's just a matter of focus

3211
01:53:07,118 --> 01:53:11,920
and attention. And some people

3212
01:53:08,880 --> 01:53:13,760
unfortunately never find a vehicle. They

3213
01:53:11,920 --> 01:53:15,840
never find a thing that they can throw

3214
01:53:13,760 --> 01:53:19,119
themselves into. They realize like, and

3215
01:53:15,840 --> 01:53:22,639
this is not unique. It's not like I'm an

3216
01:53:19,118 --> 01:53:24,238
unusual person or anybody is. I mean,

3217
01:53:22,639 --> 01:53:26,000
there's people that have unusual

3218
01:53:24,238 --> 01:53:28,158
physical gifts and some people have

3219
01:53:26,000 --> 01:53:31,279
unusual mental gifts. But the reality

3220
01:53:28,158 --> 01:53:33,359
is, no matter where you start, everyone

3221
01:53:31,279 --> 01:53:34,639
can get better. And when you do

3222
01:53:33,359 --> 01:53:36,399
something, whether it's learning to play

3223
01:53:34,639 --> 01:53:39,118
guitar, as you get better at it, you

3224
01:53:36,399 --> 01:53:41,279
realize like, oh, this is what it's all

3225
01:53:39,118 --> 01:53:43,118
about. Yeah. Like it's really all about

3226
01:53:41,279 --> 01:53:46,000
applying yourself to something and then

3227
01:53:43,118 --> 01:53:48,479
feeling this immense satisfaction of

3228
01:53:46,000 --> 01:53:50,000
your hard work paying off and that

3229
01:53:48,479 --> 01:53:52,399
motivates you to work hard at other

3230
01:53:50,000 --> 01:53:55,279
things. And if you don't find that early

3231
01:53:52,399 --> 01:53:57,118
on, it's very difficult to like find

3232
01:53:55,279 --> 01:53:57,679
like real satisfaction.

3233
01:53:57,118 --> 01:53:58,399
>> Yeah.

3234
01:53:57,679 --> 01:54:00,719
>> In life.

3235
01:53:58,399 --> 01:54:02,559
>> Yeah. I've always had something outside

3236
01:54:00,719 --> 01:54:04,560
of my

3237
01:54:02,560 --> 01:54:06,239
daily life

3238
01:54:04,560 --> 01:54:08,719
that is the thing that I actually care

3239
01:54:06,238 --> 01:54:10,238
about and it actually energizes me for

3240
01:54:08,719 --> 01:54:11,359
my day-to-day life. I don't know if

3241
01:54:10,238 --> 01:54:12,479
that's like a lot of people but

3242
01:54:11,359 --> 01:54:16,000
>> like what do you do? What's your take?

3243
01:54:12,479 --> 01:54:19,198
>> Like well initially it was poker and I

3244
01:54:16,000 --> 01:54:21,439
and even now I obsess about the game um

3245
01:54:19,198 --> 01:54:23,198
because it's infinitely more complex

3246
01:54:21,439 --> 01:54:25,919
than chess. Like chess you can get to a

3247
01:54:23,198 --> 01:54:28,319
place where you can roughly be good.

3248
01:54:25,920 --> 01:54:30,079
Poker is just constantly there's just

3249
01:54:28,319 --> 01:54:32,639
too many variables. There's human

3250
01:54:30,079 --> 01:54:34,399
emotion, there's human psychology,

3251
01:54:32,639 --> 01:54:37,359
the number of people, all of this stuff

3252
01:54:34,399 --> 01:54:39,519
just makes the complexity of the game

3253
01:54:37,359 --> 01:54:41,359
something that I find magical.

3254
01:54:39,520 --> 01:54:42,880
>> And so I sit there and I try to

3255
01:54:41,359 --> 01:54:44,479
understand like why am I doing the

3256
01:54:42,880 --> 01:54:46,000
things that I'm doing? And so much of it

3257
01:54:44,479 --> 01:54:48,319
comes back to being a mirror about

3258
01:54:46,000 --> 01:54:50,319
what's happening in my daily life. It's

3259
01:54:48,319 --> 01:54:52,399
the [ __ ] craziest thing. Like I'm

3260
01:54:50,319 --> 01:54:54,880
super insecure. I'll go into poker and I

3261
01:54:52,399 --> 01:54:56,559
will just lose for weeks at a time. But

3262
01:54:54,880 --> 01:54:58,560
it's because I'm insecure in my daily

3263
01:54:56,560 --> 01:55:00,000
life. And what's happening is that I'm

3264
01:54:58,560 --> 01:55:01,520
trying to find these quick wins and

3265
01:55:00,000 --> 01:55:03,520
quick solutions

3266
01:55:01,520 --> 01:55:06,480
>> because I'm in a state of insecurity.

3267
01:55:03,520 --> 01:55:08,320
I'm anxious. I have this anxiety. And so

3268
01:55:06,479 --> 01:55:10,079
it's become a great mirror for me. So

3269
01:55:08,319 --> 01:55:13,920
that used to be a thing. It still is a

3270
01:55:10,079 --> 01:55:16,000
thing. And but I've become reasonably

3271
01:55:13,920 --> 01:55:18,480
skilled at it where the edges are

3272
01:55:16,000 --> 01:55:20,399
smaller and I put myself in positions

3273
01:55:18,479 --> 01:55:22,638
where I'm only playing against a certain

3274
01:55:20,399 --> 01:55:24,638
group of people and I'm the losing

3275
01:55:22,639 --> 01:55:27,199
player frankly in that game. if when I'm

3276
01:55:24,639 --> 01:55:29,840
playing against like the top pros,

3277
01:55:27,198 --> 01:55:32,719
it just doesn't it helps me and I can

3278
01:55:29,840 --> 01:55:33,920
get tuned up for it. But then I started

3279
01:55:32,719 --> 01:55:35,679
to, you know, I would take different

3280
01:55:33,920 --> 01:55:37,039
things. I tried to learn how to ski.

3281
01:55:35,679 --> 01:55:38,560
Basically impossible when you're older.

3282
01:55:37,039 --> 01:55:40,000
I look like a [ __ ] idiot. Like

3283
01:55:38,560 --> 01:55:42,000
>> how old were you when you tried?

3284
01:55:40,000 --> 01:55:43,599
>> Uh I started when I was like, you know,

3285
01:55:42,000 --> 01:55:45,599
I I was a good snowboarder, so I was

3286
01:55:43,599 --> 01:55:47,840
snowboarding my whole life. And then my

3287
01:55:45,599 --> 01:55:49,760
kids skied and so I'm like, okay, well,

3288
01:55:47,840 --> 01:55:51,679
I want to do this as a family. So I was

3289
01:55:49,760 --> 01:55:54,079
like 42 or something when I tried. I'm

3290
01:55:51,679 --> 01:55:55,359
49 now, almost 50.

3291
01:55:54,079 --> 01:55:58,000
It's brutal. I mean, it's like I look

3292
01:55:55,359 --> 01:55:59,759
like a [ __ ] idiot. Like this gangly

3293
01:55:58,000 --> 01:56:02,719
giraffe like trying to get down the

3294
01:55:59,760 --> 01:56:06,239
mountain. And then now I start at golf

3295
01:56:02,719 --> 01:56:08,480
and man, I got to tell you, I used to

3296
01:56:06,238 --> 01:56:09,839
play a little bit, then I stopped. But

3297
01:56:08,479 --> 01:56:11,519
there's something to me about being

3298
01:56:09,840 --> 01:56:14,800
outside

3299
01:56:11,520 --> 01:56:16,560
where just like being in nature I find

3300
01:56:14,800 --> 01:56:17,520
like really motivating.

3301
01:56:16,560 --> 01:56:19,920
>> It's a vitamin.

3302
01:56:17,520 --> 01:56:21,920
>> It's a vitamin. And then just the mind

3303
01:56:19,920 --> 01:56:23,840
body connection of that game, it just

3304
01:56:21,920 --> 01:56:25,279
really [ __ ] with you because it's it's

3305
01:56:23,840 --> 01:56:26,400
just nothing you can master and

3306
01:56:25,279 --> 01:56:27,039
overpower,

3307
01:56:26,399 --> 01:56:29,598
>> right?

3308
01:56:27,039 --> 01:56:30,158
>> And it teaches you to just like be in

3309
01:56:29,599 --> 01:56:30,880
it.

3310
01:56:30,158 --> 01:56:34,079
>> Yeah.

3311
01:56:30,880 --> 01:56:36,560
>> And that's a very hard skill. Like if

3312
01:56:34,079 --> 01:56:37,840
you look at the best like I there's like

3313
01:56:36,560 --> 01:56:40,960
a handful of people that I really look

3314
01:56:37,840 --> 01:56:42,480
up to and I obsess like Mer Buffett, but

3315
01:56:40,960 --> 01:56:43,840
the Berkshire meeting was this past

3316
01:56:42,479 --> 01:56:46,479
weekend and if you look at the clips,

3317
01:56:43,840 --> 01:56:48,159
there's this incredible thing where they

3318
01:56:46,479 --> 01:56:50,158
transitioned, right? Mer passed away.

3319
01:56:48,158 --> 01:56:52,079
Buffett's like now executive chairman.

3320
01:56:50,158 --> 01:56:53,598
But this guy Greg Ael and this guy Ajet

3321
01:56:52,079 --> 01:56:55,920
Jane. Ajet Jane does this thing where

3322
01:56:53,599 --> 01:56:58,239
he's like, I teach the people that come

3323
01:56:55,920 --> 01:56:59,199
to just say no. Your whole job is to

3324
01:56:58,238 --> 01:57:00,718
just say no. You're going to get

3325
01:56:59,198 --> 01:57:03,279
bombarded with all kinds of business

3326
01:57:00,719 --> 01:57:04,800
pitches. Say no, no, no. And eventually

3327
01:57:03,279 --> 01:57:06,399
somebody will come and [ __ ] try to

3328
01:57:04,800 --> 01:57:08,560
whack you in the head with a 2x4 of

3329
01:57:06,399 --> 01:57:11,679
money. Then you come to me and we'll do

3330
01:57:08,560 --> 01:57:15,599
the deal. And it made such an impression

3331
01:57:11,679 --> 01:57:17,440
because like again when I'm insecure,

3332
01:57:15,599 --> 01:57:18,880
my reward function is attention. So I'm

3333
01:57:17,439 --> 01:57:20,000
like a [ __ ] little busy body. I'm

3334
01:57:18,880 --> 01:57:23,118
running around doing all this little

3335
01:57:20,000 --> 01:57:25,359
[ __ ] you know? E. And then man,

3336
01:57:23,118 --> 01:57:27,279
when I'm in a [ __ ] flow state and

3337
01:57:25,359 --> 01:57:29,439
like I'm tunning it, like I'm striping

3338
01:57:27,279 --> 01:57:31,599
the ball, you know? I'm like a few

3339
01:57:29,439 --> 01:57:35,359
things that really matter in size and

3340
01:57:31,599 --> 01:57:38,400
I'm like, man, this is this is right.

3341
01:57:35,359 --> 01:57:41,279
It's all come to me because I'm like I'm

3342
01:57:38,399 --> 01:57:43,839
like within myself and these other

3343
01:57:41,279 --> 01:57:45,840
things are a better reflection of when

3344
01:57:43,840 --> 01:57:47,599
I'm within myself and these other things

3345
01:57:45,840 --> 01:57:48,639
are a mirror of when I'm totally out of

3346
01:57:47,599 --> 01:57:50,239
kilter.

3347
01:57:48,639 --> 01:57:53,599
>> That's just me.

3348
01:57:50,238 --> 01:57:54,079
>> So in my life these things tend to lead.

3349
01:57:53,599 --> 01:57:55,679
>> Um

3350
01:57:54,079 --> 01:57:57,679
>> I think you're saying that's just you,

3351
01:57:55,679 --> 01:58:01,760
but I think that's generally most

3352
01:57:57,679 --> 01:58:04,079
people. I think you find these things,

3353
01:58:01,760 --> 01:58:05,760
these vehicles for developing human

3354
01:58:04,079 --> 01:58:08,158
potential, whether it's martial arts or

3355
01:58:05,760 --> 01:58:09,440
golf or playing guitar or playing chess

3356
01:58:08,158 --> 01:58:11,839
or poker.

3357
01:58:09,439 --> 01:58:14,879
>> And then you have to have, I think, one,

3358
01:58:11,840 --> 01:58:16,639
at least for me, one seinal relationship

3359
01:58:14,880 --> 01:58:18,719
in your life. You have to have one

3360
01:58:16,639 --> 01:58:21,039
person that has just undying belief in

3361
01:58:18,719 --> 01:58:23,520
you. And I never really had that until I

3362
01:58:21,039 --> 01:58:25,679
met my wife. And that was a very, and I

3363
01:58:23,520 --> 01:58:27,679
didn't I pushed against it so [ __ ]

3364
01:58:25,679 --> 01:58:29,199
hard because I was like, it just can't

3365
01:58:27,679 --> 01:58:31,199
be true. like why does this person give

3366
01:58:29,198 --> 01:58:32,638
a [ __ ] Do you know what I mean? Like

3367
01:58:31,198 --> 01:58:32,799
why do they care about me more than I

3368
01:58:32,639 --> 01:58:34,159
do?

3369
01:58:32,800 --> 01:58:35,679
>> Well, there's also the fear because so

3370
01:58:34,158 --> 01:58:36,559
many people get in those bad

3371
01:58:35,679 --> 01:58:38,239
relationships.

3372
01:58:36,560 --> 01:58:40,320
>> And I'm just like I I think there's a

3373
01:58:38,238 --> 01:58:42,238
part of you like me where you're just

3374
01:58:40,319 --> 01:58:44,238
like I'm not a very lovable person. Like

3375
01:58:42,238 --> 01:58:48,879
I'm just like this is that's not who I

3376
01:58:44,238 --> 01:58:50,399
am. And this woman is just there.

3377
01:58:48,880 --> 01:58:52,159
So that's been like the thing like for

3378
01:58:50,399 --> 01:58:53,839
me it's like and because she's brutal.

3379
01:58:52,158 --> 01:58:55,118
She'll be like, "Oh yeah, that was

3380
01:58:53,840 --> 01:58:57,679
[ __ ] horrible." You know, like

3381
01:58:55,118 --> 01:58:59,359
yesterday I like we had this we I I I

3382
01:58:57,679 --> 01:59:02,480
did this thing at at Milk and it was a

3383
01:58:59,359 --> 01:59:03,519
dinner at my friend's house and uh then

3384
01:59:02,479 --> 01:59:05,598
you know, we're both going to different

3385
01:59:03,520 --> 01:59:08,639
airports. I'm flying here to see you and

3386
01:59:05,599 --> 01:59:14,599
she's flying home and uh she calls me

3387
01:59:08,639 --> 01:59:14,599
and I'm like I'm how did I do? Ah [ __ ]

3388
01:59:16,639 --> 01:59:19,920
But but no, there's the parts that I did

3389
01:59:18,560 --> 01:59:21,679
well and then she critiques the other

3390
01:59:19,920 --> 01:59:24,000
parts that she didn't like. And then I

3391
01:59:21,679 --> 01:59:25,679
say which is like it's and it's so again

3392
01:59:24,000 --> 01:59:27,520
I'm insecure so I'm like I want the

3393
01:59:25,679 --> 01:59:29,199
self- serving well how would because

3394
01:59:27,520 --> 01:59:31,840
there was three of us on this panel and

3395
01:59:29,198 --> 01:59:34,158
she's like uh and I was like you know I

3396
01:59:31,840 --> 01:59:37,679
was the best right? She's like no Gavin

3397
01:59:34,158 --> 01:59:39,920
was better. I'm just like it's so but

3398
01:59:37,679 --> 01:59:40,639
it's so refreshing because it keep again

3399
01:59:39,920 --> 01:59:41,440
it's like a

3400
01:59:40,639 --> 01:59:43,279
>> keeps you in check

3401
01:59:41,439 --> 01:59:43,678
>> like and it gives me a mirror.

3402
01:59:43,279 --> 01:59:46,719
>> Mhm.

3403
01:59:43,679 --> 01:59:48,800
>> You know like when I was coming to see

3404
01:59:46,719 --> 01:59:52,719
you yesterday when we were flying down

3405
01:59:48,800 --> 01:59:54,480
to LA for this thing um there's parts of

3406
01:59:52,719 --> 01:59:57,198
me where when I'm insecure I kind of

3407
01:59:54,479 --> 01:59:58,879
like externalize and I can be like

3408
01:59:57,198 --> 02:00:01,198
really hyperbolic unnecessarily

3409
01:59:58,880 --> 02:00:02,800
hyperbolic and it's counterproductive.

3410
02:00:01,198 --> 02:00:04,079
And she said to me listen like just

3411
02:00:02,800 --> 02:00:05,599
imagine your friends these are

3412
02:00:04,079 --> 02:00:07,118
hardworking people. They're trying their

3413
02:00:05,599 --> 02:00:08,800
best as well. They don't necessarily

3414
02:00:07,118 --> 02:00:10,639
know. Some some things have massively

3415
02:00:08,800 --> 02:00:12,159
worked out for them, but they would want

3416
02:00:10,639 --> 02:00:13,440
to do the right thing. There's people

3417
02:00:12,158 --> 02:00:15,039
you've worked with before that want to

3418
02:00:13,439 --> 02:00:16,799
do the right thing. And she's like, just

3419
02:00:15,039 --> 02:00:19,198
picture them and don't judge. You can

3420
02:00:16,800 --> 02:00:20,880
observe.

3421
02:00:19,198 --> 02:00:22,000
And it's crazy, but it's like I need

3422
02:00:20,880 --> 02:00:23,679
those little things. There's like

3423
02:00:22,000 --> 02:00:24,479
tweaks. It's like having a coach kind of

3424
02:00:23,679 --> 02:00:26,000
like

3425
02:00:24,479 --> 02:00:26,799
>> and that and that's very that's very

3426
02:00:26,000 --> 02:00:28,399
helpful to me.

3427
02:00:26,800 --> 02:00:29,599
>> Yeah. It's very important. It's hard to

3428
02:00:28,399 --> 02:00:30,399
do that yourself.

3429
02:00:29,599 --> 02:00:31,279
>> I can't do it.

3430
02:00:30,399 --> 02:00:33,118
>> And it's also like

3431
02:00:31,279 --> 02:00:34,719
>> I'm [ __ ] maxing. Like my life is like

3432
02:00:33,118 --> 02:00:36,799
I like that flow. Mhm.

3433
02:00:34,719 --> 02:00:38,719
>> And if if I didn't have somebody who

3434
02:00:36,800 --> 02:00:40,239
loved me and would hold me accountable,

3435
02:00:38,719 --> 02:00:42,719
I' just [ __ ] not think about it.

3436
02:00:40,238 --> 02:00:44,718
>> Yeah. And the opposite of that is

3437
02:00:42,719 --> 02:00:46,639
someone who's like an antagonistic

3438
02:00:44,719 --> 02:00:48,719
relationship. And we know a lot of

3439
02:00:46,639 --> 02:00:50,960
people that have those kind of very

3440
02:00:48,719 --> 02:00:52,800
sabotagey sort of marriages and

3441
02:00:50,960 --> 02:00:53,439
relationships. And that's crazy.

3442
02:00:52,800 --> 02:00:55,360
>> It's brutal.

3443
02:00:53,439 --> 02:00:56,960
>> It's brutal. And I don't think they've

3444
02:00:55,359 --> 02:00:59,039
ever had a really good one. Otherwise,

3445
02:00:56,960 --> 02:01:01,920
they would never tolerate that.

3446
02:00:59,039 --> 02:01:03,519
>> I didn't know what good looked like. So

3447
02:01:01,920 --> 02:01:06,158
you kind of just I think a lot of people

3448
02:01:03,520 --> 02:01:09,280
go with the flow. Like I mean I was a

3449
02:01:06,158 --> 02:01:13,039
nerdy kid from kind of a shitty [ __ ]

3450
02:01:09,279 --> 02:01:15,599
up kind of like family structure

3451
02:01:13,039 --> 02:01:18,158
and then I got injected into this rich

3452
02:01:15,599 --> 02:01:19,760
high school but then I got to go back to

3453
02:01:18,158 --> 02:01:22,158
an alcoholic father. I'm on [ __ ]

3454
02:01:19,760 --> 02:01:24,000
welfare. Like it's like you know my my

3455
02:01:22,158 --> 02:01:25,359
self-confidence is negative [ __ ] two

3456
02:01:24,000 --> 02:01:26,880
units.

3457
02:01:25,359 --> 02:01:28,719
>> Didn't have a girlfriend. You know like

3458
02:01:26,880 --> 02:01:31,279
all the [ __ ] in high school like nothing

3459
02:01:28,719 --> 02:01:32,880
happened for me. And so my modeling of

3460
02:01:31,279 --> 02:01:36,559
like how to be in a relationship, what

3461
02:01:32,880 --> 02:01:39,679
to do, it was [ __ ] zero.

3462
02:01:36,560 --> 02:01:41,679
Um, it was zero. And so all those

3463
02:01:39,679 --> 02:01:43,359
mistakes were mostly because I didn't

3464
02:01:41,679 --> 02:01:44,079
understand what good looked like,

3465
02:01:43,359 --> 02:01:45,839
>> right?

3466
02:01:44,079 --> 02:01:47,599
>> Um, and then I stumbled into this

3467
02:01:45,840 --> 02:01:49,199
relationship after my divorce and my

3468
02:01:47,599 --> 02:01:50,400
ex-wife is an incredible woman. Just

3469
02:01:49,198 --> 02:01:50,799
like not,

3470
02:01:50,399 --> 02:01:52,399
>> you know,

3471
02:01:50,800 --> 02:01:54,639
>> what you needed or what she needed.

3472
02:01:52,399 --> 02:01:57,039
>> Yeah. She's we're just we were in in in

3473
02:01:54,639 --> 02:01:59,920
a few very specific ways,

3474
02:01:57,039 --> 02:02:03,519
>> we just weren't on the same page.

3475
02:01:59,920 --> 02:02:05,440
And then I find this other one and it's

3476
02:02:03,520 --> 02:02:08,960
and I think like I don't I was so

3477
02:02:05,439 --> 02:02:10,879
skeptical. I'm like I I kind of viewed

3478
02:02:08,960 --> 02:02:13,279
like a relationship as like this adjunct

3479
02:02:10,880 --> 02:02:14,239
to your life. There's you you're at the

3480
02:02:13,279 --> 02:02:16,960
center. M

3481
02:02:14,238 --> 02:02:19,678
>> you're doing your [ __ ] and one of the

3482
02:02:16,960 --> 02:02:21,840
appendages to your thing is you're

3483
02:02:19,679 --> 02:02:24,079
that's what I thought and then now it's

3484
02:02:21,840 --> 02:02:26,239
the opposite where I feel like my wife's

3485
02:02:24,079 --> 02:02:28,319
at the center and I'm like I would

3486
02:02:26,238 --> 02:02:30,638
always kind of like like almost like

3487
02:02:28,319 --> 02:02:31,840
laugh at people in the in my mind I'm

3488
02:02:30,639 --> 02:02:34,159
like it's not possible that somebody

3489
02:02:31,840 --> 02:02:36,719
feels this way about somebody else.

3490
02:02:34,158 --> 02:02:39,118
>> Um but it's an it's an it's a huge

3491
02:02:36,719 --> 02:02:40,639
enabler. It's a it's a very much a gift.

3492
02:02:39,118 --> 02:02:42,559
So that can also be a thing that people

3493
02:02:40,639 --> 02:02:43,920
look for. You know what I mean? which is

3494
02:02:42,560 --> 02:02:46,159
>> I think what you're saying is that

3495
02:02:43,920 --> 02:02:49,039
there's a bunch of different things that

3496
02:02:46,158 --> 02:02:51,439
have to sort of exist together and that

3497
02:02:49,039 --> 02:02:54,079
it's not just completely focus on your

3498
02:02:51,439 --> 02:02:57,198
work but that focusing on these other

3499
02:02:54,079 --> 02:02:58,880
things enhances the work and then the

3500
02:02:57,198 --> 02:03:00,799
work enhances all these other things as

3501
02:02:58,880 --> 02:03:02,719
well and they all exist together

3502
02:03:00,800 --> 02:03:05,199
>> and my best work is when I'm not

3503
02:03:02,719 --> 02:03:07,840
thinking about the attention or the

3504
02:03:05,198 --> 02:03:09,678
money. Those are the two most corrupting

3505
02:03:07,840 --> 02:03:11,599
influences in my life. If I if when I

3506
02:03:09,679 --> 02:03:13,359
look back and when I've lost when I've

3507
02:03:11,599 --> 02:03:15,679
lost the most amount of money

3508
02:03:13,359 --> 02:03:16,719
>> or when I've reputationally hurt myself

3509
02:03:15,679 --> 02:03:18,719
the most,

3510
02:03:16,719 --> 02:03:19,840
>> it's all been because of attention and

3511
02:03:18,719 --> 02:03:21,359
money.

3512
02:03:19,840 --> 02:03:23,279
>> Those are the only two things the root

3513
02:03:21,359 --> 02:03:24,639
cause consistently has been that.

3514
02:03:23,279 --> 02:03:27,039
>> That makes sense because you're thinking

3515
02:03:24,639 --> 02:03:27,760
about a result rather than the process.

3516
02:03:27,039 --> 02:03:28,399
>> Exactly.

3517
02:03:27,760 --> 02:03:29,119
>> Yeah.

3518
02:03:28,399 --> 02:03:30,719
>> Exactly.

3519
02:03:29,118 --> 02:03:31,839
>> So, and then thinking about that result

3520
02:03:30,719 --> 02:03:33,118
like oo I'm going to get a lot of

3521
02:03:31,840 --> 02:03:34,639
attention from this. Oo, I'm going to

3522
02:03:33,118 --> 02:03:36,639
get a lot of money from this. That

3523
02:03:34,639 --> 02:03:38,560
actually robs you of the focus that you

3524
02:03:36,639 --> 02:03:40,960
need to concentrate on the process.

3525
02:03:38,560 --> 02:03:44,800
>> Exactly. And the the thing about the

3526
02:03:40,960 --> 02:03:47,599
process is that so much of that when

3527
02:03:44,800 --> 02:03:49,760
you're in a flow state you're proud of

3528
02:03:47,599 --> 02:03:51,199
>> irrespective of the size of it because

3529
02:03:49,760 --> 02:03:52,239
the meetings are the same. Do you know

3530
02:03:51,198 --> 02:03:54,000
what I mean? Like

3531
02:03:52,238 --> 02:03:56,399
>> you're in the same [ __ ] 35 minute

3532
02:03:54,000 --> 02:03:59,118
meeting or 45 minute meeting debating a

3533
02:03:56,399 --> 02:04:00,799
product or debating a thing.

3534
02:03:59,118 --> 02:04:02,639
But the minute that I start to feel like

3535
02:04:00,800 --> 02:04:04,719
embarrassed about company A versus

3536
02:04:02,639 --> 02:04:05,520
company B or decision A versus decision

3537
02:04:04,719 --> 02:04:07,439
B,

3538
02:04:05,520 --> 02:04:09,119
>> now my mind is like, "Okay, hold on a

3539
02:04:07,439 --> 02:04:09,919
second here. I'm about to run myself off

3540
02:04:09,118 --> 02:04:10,559
the cliff."

3541
02:04:09,920 --> 02:04:12,239
>> Yeah.

3542
02:04:10,560 --> 02:04:13,920
>> You know, or you know, we I had this

3543
02:04:12,238 --> 02:04:16,079
dinner last week and this is what's

3544
02:04:13,920 --> 02:04:18,399
amazing. Like

3545
02:04:16,079 --> 02:04:20,079
we're talking about poker. Well, I So

3546
02:04:18,399 --> 02:04:23,519
I'm having dinner with my wife and a

3547
02:04:20,079 --> 02:04:25,439
friend and uh

3548
02:04:23,520 --> 02:04:27,440
she's like, "How are you doing?" Just

3549
02:04:25,439 --> 02:04:29,759
like a very generic nice question,

3550
02:04:27,439 --> 02:04:31,598
>> right? And I go into this long [ __ ]

3551
02:04:29,760 --> 02:04:33,119
diet tribe of like, well, you know, the

3552
02:04:31,599 --> 02:04:34,239
investing thing this, and then I started

3553
02:04:33,118 --> 02:04:35,359
this other thing that. And my wife's

3554
02:04:34,238 --> 02:04:37,439
looking at me like, what the [ __ ] are

3555
02:04:35,359 --> 02:04:39,039
you rambling on about? And then it got

3556
02:04:37,439 --> 02:04:41,519
But it got worse, Joe. It got worse. It

3557
02:04:39,039 --> 02:04:43,279
got even [ __ ] worse. Then I'm like,

3558
02:04:41,520 --> 02:04:45,199
uh, you know, but then I had this poker

3559
02:04:43,279 --> 02:04:46,880
game. I started rambling on. It's

3560
02:04:45,198 --> 02:04:48,158
normally on Thursdays, but then I I

3561
02:04:46,880 --> 02:04:49,520
moved it up to Wednesdays, but then I

3562
02:04:48,158 --> 02:04:50,799
moved it up to the city because my

3563
02:04:49,520 --> 02:04:53,360
friend's having it. And then I name

3564
02:04:50,800 --> 02:04:55,520
dropped who the guy was. And my wife

3565
02:04:53,359 --> 02:04:57,519
just looks at me like, "What the [ __ ] is

3566
02:04:55,520 --> 02:05:00,000
going on with you?

3567
02:04:57,520 --> 02:05:01,840
So, the dinner ends. It was And then

3568
02:05:00,000 --> 02:05:03,520
she's like, "What the [ __ ] is going on

3569
02:05:01,840 --> 02:05:07,279
with you?" She's like, "That was

3570
02:05:03,520 --> 02:05:09,119
insane." And I had no idea that I was

3571
02:05:07,279 --> 02:05:10,479
doing it.

3572
02:05:09,118 --> 02:05:11,759
And I'm like, "Okay, we need to put

3573
02:05:10,479 --> 02:05:13,118
Humpty Dumpty back together again

3574
02:05:11,760 --> 02:05:14,880
because I'm about to go on Rogan and I

3575
02:05:13,118 --> 02:05:17,839
can't go off [ __ ] like a crazy wild

3576
02:05:14,880 --> 02:05:19,520
man." Uh, but it's a it's it's an

3577
02:05:17,840 --> 02:05:21,520
enormous gift. That's been my biggest

3578
02:05:19,520 --> 02:05:23,920
unlock in these last like eight or nine

3579
02:05:21,520 --> 02:05:25,920
years. Like I I feel like like I'm kind

3580
02:05:23,920 --> 02:05:27,840
of like adding skills to my toolkit. I

3581
02:05:25,920 --> 02:05:29,599
feel like a golfer like that's like I

3582
02:05:27,840 --> 02:05:31,599
can shape shots a little bit now. I know

3583
02:05:29,599 --> 02:05:34,560
how to use different clubs.

3584
02:05:31,599 --> 02:05:36,400
>> Um and it's all like mindset

3585
02:05:34,560 --> 02:05:38,960
>> and it's like it's very much what you

3586
02:05:36,399 --> 02:05:41,439
it's like this processoriented approach

3587
02:05:38,960 --> 02:05:44,239
>> and you just can't control the outcome

3588
02:05:41,439 --> 02:05:46,000
and that's like a it's a magical

3589
02:05:44,238 --> 02:05:48,079
feeling. It's interesting that you're

3590
02:05:46,000 --> 02:05:52,399
saying this because like think about

3591
02:05:48,079 --> 02:05:55,760
what most people or people that are on

3592
02:05:52,399 --> 02:05:58,319
social media like the kind of attention

3593
02:05:55,760 --> 02:06:01,280
that they're focusing on. Like this is

3594
02:05:58,319 --> 02:06:02,719
why virtue signaling is so unsuccessful,

3595
02:06:01,279 --> 02:06:04,238
right? It's so bad for it because it's

3596
02:06:02,719 --> 02:06:05,679
fake. You're really concentrating on the

3597
02:06:04,238 --> 02:06:07,039
process. Are you really concentrating on

3598
02:06:05,679 --> 02:06:08,480
the result? The result is getting people

3599
02:06:07,039 --> 02:06:09,760
to love you. Exactly. Getting people to

3600
02:06:08,479 --> 02:06:11,359
agree with you. Getting and then

3601
02:06:09,760 --> 02:06:12,880
worrying about the criticism. Oh my god,

3602
02:06:11,359 --> 02:06:14,559
they hate me. Oh my god, they're mad at

3603
02:06:12,880 --> 02:06:16,319
my my statement. Oh my god, they're this

3604
02:06:14,560 --> 02:06:17,599
and then you're like obsessing on it all

3605
02:06:16,319 --> 02:06:19,679
day. People that aren't even anywhere

3606
02:06:17,599 --> 02:06:21,840
near you. It's like it's one of the

3607
02:06:19,679 --> 02:06:24,239
absolute worst things for mental health

3608
02:06:21,840 --> 02:06:25,920
is this addiction that people have to

3609
02:06:24,238 --> 02:06:28,000
posting things and then reading the

3610
02:06:25,920 --> 02:06:30,719
responses to those posts and getting

3611
02:06:28,000 --> 02:06:33,198
wrapped up in these very weird

3612
02:06:30,719 --> 02:06:33,520
two-dimensional interactions with human

3613
02:06:33,198 --> 02:06:34,879
beings.

3614
02:06:33,520 --> 02:06:36,079
>> You never read your comments. I mean,

3615
02:06:34,880 --> 02:06:38,000
you're very famous. You're like, it

3616
02:06:36,078 --> 02:06:39,439
doesn't [ __ ] matter to me. Well,

3617
02:06:38,000 --> 02:06:42,960
you're going to get to a certain point

3618
02:06:39,439 --> 02:06:44,638
in time where if you have x amount of

3619
02:06:42,960 --> 02:06:47,039
people that follow you, you're going to

3620
02:06:44,639 --> 02:06:48,400
have a percentage that are mad at you

3621
02:06:47,039 --> 02:06:49,039
and those are the ones you're going to

3622
02:06:48,399 --> 02:06:51,118
think about, right?

3623
02:06:49,039 --> 02:06:53,039
>> And if you don't self audit, maybe

3624
02:06:51,118 --> 02:06:54,319
that's good. Maybe it's good to say

3625
02:06:53,039 --> 02:06:56,238
like, "You [ __ ] piece of shit." Like,

3626
02:06:54,319 --> 02:06:57,759
"Oh, I'm sorry." You know, like what

3627
02:06:56,238 --> 02:07:00,638
your wife saying to you like, "What the

3628
02:06:57,760 --> 02:07:03,599
[ __ ] was that?" Like, "Ah, shit." Like,

3629
02:07:00,639 --> 02:07:05,760
I am very self-critical. Very like

3630
02:07:03,599 --> 02:07:07,679
horribly so. like to the point I torture

3631
02:07:05,760 --> 02:07:09,599
myself, you know? So, I'm like, I don't

3632
02:07:07,679 --> 02:07:11,039
need that from other people. And also,

3633
02:07:09,599 --> 02:07:12,639
those people don't love me and they want

3634
02:07:11,039 --> 02:07:14,078
me to fail. Like, there's a lot of

3635
02:07:12,639 --> 02:07:16,159
people that their lives are very

3636
02:07:14,078 --> 02:07:18,000
unsuccessful and I've been way too

3637
02:07:16,158 --> 02:07:20,238
fortunate, right? So, it's like there's

3638
02:07:18,000 --> 02:07:22,639
a reason to be upset at me if your life

3639
02:07:20,238 --> 02:07:24,078
is [ __ ] because I've I've gotten I've

3640
02:07:22,639 --> 02:07:25,440
three of the best jobs on earth. It

3641
02:07:24,078 --> 02:07:27,519
doesn't make any sense, right? So,

3642
02:07:25,439 --> 02:07:28,879
there's a re and also why the [ __ ] is

3643
02:07:27,520 --> 02:07:31,360
this podcast so successful? That doesn't

3644
02:07:28,880 --> 02:07:33,599
make any sense, right? So, it's like I

3645
02:07:31,359 --> 02:07:35,679
get it. I understand why people, but I'm

3646
02:07:33,599 --> 02:07:37,039
not gonna help them. I'm not gonna help

3647
02:07:35,679 --> 02:07:39,520
them bring me down. I'm not gonna

3648
02:07:37,039 --> 02:07:41,599
indulge in it and ruin my own mind by

3649
02:07:39,520 --> 02:07:42,800
wallowing in their [ __ ] because the

3650
02:07:41,599 --> 02:07:44,719
only reason why you would do that in the

3651
02:07:42,800 --> 02:07:46,639
first place is if you're not together.

3652
02:07:44,719 --> 02:07:49,118
No one is healthy and happy and

3653
02:07:46,639 --> 02:07:51,279
intelligent is going to post mean things

3654
02:07:49,118 --> 02:07:53,198
about you. So, you are reading things

3655
02:07:51,279 --> 02:07:56,158
from people that are mentally ill,

3656
02:07:53,198 --> 02:07:58,638
unhappy, and probably not. Maybe they're

3657
02:07:56,158 --> 02:08:00,719
intelligent in terms of their ability to

3658
02:07:58,639 --> 02:08:02,400
solve certain issues and problems. Maybe

3659
02:08:00,719 --> 02:08:05,520
they're good at certain skills, but like

3660
02:08:02,399 --> 02:08:08,000
their overall grasp of humanity and like

3661
02:08:05,520 --> 02:08:09,599
being a good person is not good if

3662
02:08:08,000 --> 02:08:12,238
you're [ __ ] on people, especially if

3663
02:08:09,599 --> 02:08:13,840
you like add homonym attacks and just

3664
02:08:12,238 --> 02:08:16,158
insults. And

3665
02:08:13,840 --> 02:08:17,599
>> so, it's not a good thing to ingest.

3666
02:08:16,158 --> 02:08:18,879
It's not It's like if you go down the

3667
02:08:17,599 --> 02:08:20,480
supermarket, you see Twinkies, oh,

3668
02:08:18,880 --> 02:08:23,199
they're right there. Don't [ __ ] eat

3669
02:08:20,479 --> 02:08:25,919
them, okay? That's not good for you. And

3670
02:08:23,198 --> 02:08:27,198
so it's like I don't think that at a

3671
02:08:25,920 --> 02:08:29,440
certain point in time, especially if you

3672
02:08:27,198 --> 02:08:30,719
become publicly known and famous, you

3673
02:08:29,439 --> 02:08:31,839
should ever read your comments. I don't

3674
02:08:30,719 --> 02:08:32,480
think it's good for you.

3675
02:08:31,840 --> 02:08:35,119
>> Yeah.

3676
02:08:32,479 --> 02:08:36,718
>> But you better be self- auditing or

3677
02:08:35,118 --> 02:08:38,559
you'll start sniffing your own farts and

3678
02:08:36,719 --> 02:08:39,359
think they smell great. Like don't do

3679
02:08:38,560 --> 02:08:39,760
that either.

3680
02:08:39,359 --> 02:08:43,118
>> Yeah.

3681
02:08:39,760 --> 02:08:45,360
>> But you I know a lot of people that have

3682
02:08:43,118 --> 02:08:47,598
gone crazy reading their own comments.

3683
02:08:45,359 --> 02:08:49,519
I've met comedians that like they'll

3684
02:08:47,599 --> 02:08:51,360
think about it all day long. It will

3685
02:08:49,520 --> 02:08:53,199
[ __ ] with them. It will tort. Well,

3686
02:08:51,359 --> 02:08:54,799
their neurosis are what's what creates

3687
02:08:53,198 --> 02:08:56,238
great comedy to begin with. So, if you

3688
02:08:54,800 --> 02:08:56,719
feed that neurosis in the wrong way,

3689
02:08:56,238 --> 02:08:58,638
you're [ __ ]

3690
02:08:56,719 --> 02:09:00,399
>> The wrong way, right? And then also the

3691
02:08:58,639 --> 02:09:01,599
self-doubt creeps in because all these

3692
02:09:00,399 --> 02:09:03,118
people telling you you suck and they're

3693
02:09:01,599 --> 02:09:04,319
like, "Oh my god, I suck." And then you

3694
02:09:03,118 --> 02:09:06,000
go on stage with this like, "People

3695
02:09:04,319 --> 02:09:09,679
think I suck, they hate me." You can't

3696
02:09:06,000 --> 02:09:12,719
do that. Like, if you

3697
02:09:09,679 --> 02:09:13,760
have a certain amount of energy in the

3698
02:09:12,719 --> 02:09:16,239
day, this is what I always tell

3699
02:09:13,760 --> 02:09:18,880
comedians. I said, "Look, think of your

3700
02:09:16,238 --> 02:09:21,279
attention and your focus as a a unit.

3701
02:09:18,880 --> 02:09:23,520
You have a hundred units. If you spend

3702
02:09:21,279 --> 02:09:26,960
30 of those [ __ ] units on [ __ ]

3703
02:09:23,520 --> 02:09:28,960
online, you're robbing 30 units from all

3704
02:09:26,960 --> 02:09:30,960
the things you love. 30 units from your

3705
02:09:28,960 --> 02:09:33,679
family, 30 units from your friends, 30

3706
02:09:30,960 --> 02:09:35,279
units from your job, 30 units from golf

3707
02:09:33,679 --> 02:09:38,078
or poker or whatever it is that you love

3708
02:09:35,279 --> 02:09:39,679
to do. You're stealing your own time and

3709
02:09:38,078 --> 02:09:41,759
your own focus

3710
02:09:39,679 --> 02:09:43,039
>> for loers, right?

3711
02:09:41,760 --> 02:09:44,480
>> Like why would you do that? And those

3712
02:09:43,039 --> 02:09:46,479
losers are good people. They're just

3713
02:09:44,479 --> 02:09:48,959
they most people are good people. They

3714
02:09:46,479 --> 02:09:51,279
just a bad path. I would have been the

3715
02:09:48,960 --> 02:09:52,800
personing. Yeah. Yeah. Look, if you gave

3716
02:09:51,279 --> 02:09:55,198
me a [ __ ] Twitter account when I was

3717
02:09:52,800 --> 02:09:55,679
16, oh my god, it would have been

3718
02:09:55,198 --> 02:09:56,879
horrendous.

3719
02:09:55,679 --> 02:09:58,239
>> Yeah. I would have been going crazy.

3720
02:09:56,880 --> 02:10:00,880
>> Oh my god. I would have been a terrible

3721
02:09:58,238 --> 02:10:03,359
person. It's normal. Especially if your

3722
02:10:00,880 --> 02:10:04,960
life sucks and you're not doing well and

3723
02:10:03,359 --> 02:10:06,000
you're attacking famous people or you're

3724
02:10:04,960 --> 02:10:07,599
attacking this person that's doing

3725
02:10:06,000 --> 02:10:09,840
better than you or whatever it is.

3726
02:10:07,599 --> 02:10:12,239
>> Like it's Do you uh have you seen the

3727
02:10:09,840 --> 02:10:12,639
clips of the [ __ ] maxing?

3728
02:10:12,238 --> 02:10:13,519
>> No.

3729
02:10:12,639 --> 02:10:13,840
>> You don't know what this is?

3730
02:10:13,520 --> 02:10:14,800
>> No.

3731
02:10:13,840 --> 02:10:16,159
>> You don't know what this is?

3732
02:10:14,800 --> 02:10:19,039
>> No. What's [ __ ] maxing?

3733
02:10:16,158 --> 02:10:20,638
>> Oh, this guy is fantastic. He sits He

3734
02:10:19,039 --> 02:10:23,679
sits on his back porch. Jamie, can

3735
02:10:20,639 --> 02:10:27,118
Jamie, can you just show He sits He sits

3736
02:10:23,679 --> 02:10:29,679
on his back porch smoking a cigar

3737
02:10:27,118 --> 02:10:31,920
basically telling you everything's kind

3738
02:10:29,679 --> 02:10:33,359
of [ __ ] Stop thinking about [ __ ]

3739
02:10:31,920 --> 02:10:34,560
You know, if you don't like your

3740
02:10:33,359 --> 02:10:36,000
friends, leave them. If you don't like

3741
02:10:34,560 --> 02:10:38,320
your girlfriend, leave them. Stop

3742
02:10:36,000 --> 02:10:42,319
overthinking. Simplify your life. You

3743
02:10:38,319 --> 02:10:43,359
know, it's it's inc it's so simple, but

3744
02:10:42,319 --> 02:10:44,238
I think it's incredibly

3745
02:10:43,359 --> 02:10:46,319
>> Who is this guy?

3746
02:10:44,238 --> 02:10:47,919
>> Elisha Long, I think, is his name. I

3747
02:10:46,319 --> 02:10:48,559
don't know Jamie if you can find it. I

3748
02:10:47,920 --> 02:10:49,920
think Elisha

3749
02:10:48,560 --> 02:10:52,159
>> [ __ ] maxing is funny because I know

3750
02:10:49,920 --> 02:10:53,760
about looks maxing. We talked about that

3751
02:10:52,158 --> 02:10:56,719
recently on a podcast but that's

3752
02:10:53,760 --> 02:10:58,079
recently entered into my mind into my

3753
02:10:56,719 --> 02:11:00,239
zeitgeist. looks max.

3754
02:10:58,078 --> 02:11:01,679
>> That's the clvicular, but I've only

3755
02:11:00,238 --> 02:11:04,319
found out about that within the last few

3756
02:11:01,679 --> 02:11:05,920
months of life because I I genuinely

3757
02:11:04,319 --> 02:11:08,479
stay off social media as much as

3758
02:11:05,920 --> 02:11:10,239
possible. And if I do read things, what

3759
02:11:08,479 --> 02:11:12,479
I like to do, I like to focus on

3760
02:11:10,238 --> 02:11:14,638
fascinating things. Like a lot of my

3761
02:11:12,479 --> 02:11:16,718
time I spend looking at YouTube stuff

3762
02:11:14,639 --> 02:11:18,639
because YouTube stuff, my algorithm is

3763
02:11:16,719 --> 02:11:21,679
all like new black holes they've

3764
02:11:18,639 --> 02:11:23,440
discovered, you know, new discoveries in

3765
02:11:21,679 --> 02:11:26,319
terms of like what is the fabric of

3766
02:11:23,439 --> 02:11:28,399
reality? Like I'm that's interesting to

3767
02:11:26,319 --> 02:11:30,559
me. And if I just concentrate on people

3768
02:11:28,399 --> 02:11:32,879
being mean or shitty to each other or

3769
02:11:30,560 --> 02:11:34,079
the latest [ __ ] political drama, it's

3770
02:11:32,880 --> 02:11:37,359
like

3771
02:11:34,078 --> 02:11:38,799
>> what? I don't have much time. I'm busy.

3772
02:11:37,359 --> 02:11:39,359
I like things.

3773
02:11:38,800 --> 02:11:41,199
>> And

3774
02:11:39,359 --> 02:11:41,839
>> are you are you on like Instagram and

3775
02:11:41,198 --> 02:11:43,598
Tik Tok?

3776
02:11:41,840 --> 02:11:46,560
>> I'm on Instagram. I do not have a Tik

3777
02:11:43,599 --> 02:11:48,319
Tok. This is Luke Maxing. No, this is

3778
02:11:46,560 --> 02:11:49,440
[ __ ] maxing. So, let me hear what he

3779
02:11:48,319 --> 02:11:50,719
says.

3780
02:11:49,439 --> 02:11:51,598
>> Who's this guy? What's his name?

3781
02:11:50,719 --> 02:11:54,399
>> Elisha Long.

3782
02:11:51,599 --> 02:11:56,960
>> Shout out to Elisha. being used as a

3783
02:11:54,399 --> 02:11:59,920
poisoning of nostalgia,

3784
02:11:56,960 --> 02:12:03,118
but to simply remind you of what you

3785
02:11:59,920 --> 02:12:05,920
found it for. And as we grow up, we

3786
02:12:03,118 --> 02:12:07,759
often give that up for security. We give

3787
02:12:05,920 --> 02:12:10,719
that up so that we're accepted. We give

3788
02:12:07,760 --> 02:12:13,760
that up to flex and appear like we have

3789
02:12:10,719 --> 02:12:15,520
now figured things out, that people will

3790
02:12:13,760 --> 02:12:17,599
accept us.

3791
02:12:15,520 --> 02:12:21,440
The only way that you will truly be

3792
02:12:17,599 --> 02:12:23,760
successful is if you are righteous and

3793
02:12:21,439 --> 02:12:25,919
you live according to your nature and

3794
02:12:23,760 --> 02:12:28,639
you play, man, and you don't let people

3795
02:12:25,920 --> 02:12:31,279
take play away from you to to be at the

3796
02:12:28,639 --> 02:12:33,359
circus and be ooed and aed and worried

3797
02:12:31,279 --> 02:12:35,439
about all the [ __ ] Return to a

3798
02:12:33,359 --> 02:12:38,319
state of play.

3799
02:12:35,439 --> 02:12:41,039
>> Well, that's very good advice.

3800
02:12:38,319 --> 02:12:42,399
Return to [ __ ] max. The best thing

3801
02:12:41,039 --> 02:12:44,319
that you could do is return to a state

3802
02:12:42,399 --> 02:12:46,719
of play. That's true. There's a lot of

3803
02:12:44,319 --> 02:12:47,279
that, you know. There's a lot of that.

3804
02:12:46,719 --> 02:12:49,198
Absolutely.

3805
02:12:47,279 --> 02:12:49,519
>> Oh, I I I think that that is like a It's

3806
02:12:49,198 --> 02:12:51,279
a

3807
02:12:49,520 --> 02:12:52,079
>> It's a wise man for a young fella.

3808
02:12:51,279 --> 02:12:53,679
>> Yeah.

3809
02:12:52,078 --> 02:12:55,279
>> Okay. He's a jiu-jitsu guy. There you

3810
02:12:53,679 --> 02:12:56,480
go. Look, he's getting his [ __ ] blue

3811
02:12:55,279 --> 02:12:59,519
belt there. Or he's getting his purple

3812
02:12:56,479 --> 02:13:00,718
belt. What is going on there? So, is he

3813
02:12:59,520 --> 02:13:02,159
getting his blue belt?

3814
02:13:00,719 --> 02:13:03,679
>> Yeah, it's his purple.

3815
02:13:02,158 --> 02:13:05,118
>> Yeah. So, they're taking his blue belt

3816
02:13:03,679 --> 02:13:06,880
off and putting his purple belt on.

3817
02:13:05,118 --> 02:13:08,559
Yeah. See, that's he's learning. He's a

3818
02:13:06,880 --> 02:13:10,400
martial artist. That's why.

3819
02:13:08,560 --> 02:13:12,159
>> You think martial arts people are just

3820
02:13:10,399 --> 02:13:13,839
more like spiritually connected to the

3821
02:13:12,158 --> 02:13:15,359
truth? I don't know if it's spiritually

3822
02:13:13,840 --> 02:13:17,520
connected to the truth. It's forced down

3823
02:13:15,359 --> 02:13:19,198
your [ __ ] throat because you can't

3824
02:13:17,520 --> 02:13:22,639
believe you're better than you are if

3825
02:13:19,198 --> 02:13:25,279
you're getting mauled every day,

3826
02:13:22,639 --> 02:13:26,400
you know? And there's only one way. This

3827
02:13:25,279 --> 02:13:27,599
guy's on the path to becoming a

3828
02:13:26,399 --> 02:13:29,839
jiu-jitsu black belt. Looks like a

3829
02:13:27,599 --> 02:13:32,159
pretty big guy, too. That'll help. Um,

3830
02:13:29,840 --> 02:13:33,760
but there's only one way to get a black

3831
02:13:32,158 --> 02:13:35,439
belt in jiu-jitsu. You got to train

3832
02:13:33,760 --> 02:13:36,800
jiu-jitsu all the time and get better at

3833
02:13:35,439 --> 02:13:38,238
jiu-jitsu. You can't pretend you're

3834
02:13:36,800 --> 02:13:39,760
better. You know, there's a lot of

3835
02:13:38,238 --> 02:13:41,198
people that write poems and they suck

3836
02:13:39,760 --> 02:13:42,480
and they think they're so deep.

3837
02:13:41,198 --> 02:13:44,078
>> Yeah. this poem

3838
02:13:42,479 --> 02:13:45,519
>> meaning like there's just a very simple

3839
02:13:44,078 --> 02:13:48,319
objective measurement that says

3840
02:13:45,520 --> 02:13:51,599
>> 100%. You either win or you lose. You

3841
02:13:48,319 --> 02:13:53,439
either tap or you get tapped out. You

3842
02:13:51,599 --> 02:13:55,520
know, you tap somebody or you get

3843
02:13:53,439 --> 02:13:57,118
>> Can you get a black belt in some gym

3844
02:13:55,520 --> 02:13:58,880
that's easier than a different gym or

3845
02:13:57,118 --> 02:14:01,759
something like that or

3846
02:13:58,880 --> 02:14:03,359
>> sort of kind of but not really. I mean,

3847
02:14:01,760 --> 02:14:04,800
everybody's trying hard. I mean, there's

3848
02:14:03,359 --> 02:14:07,439
definitely better gyms where they're

3849
02:14:04,800 --> 02:14:09,840
more technical and their program is much

3850
02:14:07,439 --> 02:14:11,839
more systematic and they're better at

3851
02:14:09,840 --> 02:14:14,880
breaking down skills like how to develop

3852
02:14:11,840 --> 02:14:17,279
skills, you know. Um there's definitely

3853
02:14:14,880 --> 02:14:18,800
better gyms. Uh there's better schools,

3854
02:14:17,279 --> 02:14:20,880
there's better places to learn, but

3855
02:14:18,800 --> 02:14:22,000
everywhere you learn, you're going to

3856
02:14:20,880 --> 02:14:24,159
have a bunch of people that are trying

3857
02:14:22,000 --> 02:14:25,920
hard like and you have a bunch of people

3858
02:14:24,158 --> 02:14:28,799
that are trying to learn these. And also

3859
02:14:25,920 --> 02:14:32,239
today because of the internet, you could

3860
02:14:28,800 --> 02:14:34,719
go on YouTube and there's thousands of

3861
02:14:32,238 --> 02:14:36,399
tutorials breaking down new moves.

3862
02:14:34,719 --> 02:14:38,719
Jiu-Jitsu is like endlessly comp.

3863
02:14:36,399 --> 02:14:40,000
>> One of my one of my kids has ADHD and

3864
02:14:38,719 --> 02:14:41,279
one of the things that was recommended

3865
02:14:40,000 --> 02:14:42,880
to us was jiu-jitsu.

3866
02:14:41,279 --> 02:14:44,319
>> Yeah. What is ADHD, man? It's not even

3867
02:14:42,880 --> 02:14:47,039
[ __ ] real cuz I definitely have it.

3868
02:14:44,319 --> 02:14:48,399
And I think I think it's a superpower.

3869
02:14:47,039 --> 02:14:51,198
>> I think we all have it.

3870
02:14:48,399 --> 02:14:52,719
>> I think I look I do not focus well on

3871
02:14:51,198 --> 02:14:54,559
things that I think are boring. But if

3872
02:14:52,719 --> 02:14:56,480
you give me something that that I love,

3873
02:14:54,560 --> 02:14:57,360
I can't I'll I'll play pool for [ __ ]

3874
02:14:56,479 --> 02:14:58,638
12 hours in a row.

3875
02:14:57,359 --> 02:15:00,399
>> It's crazy. But like the reason I got

3876
02:14:58,639 --> 02:15:02,078
back into golf is my seven-year-old gets

3877
02:15:00,399 --> 02:15:03,598
on the course and sometimes you can talk

3878
02:15:02,078 --> 02:15:05,039
to him and he's not making, you know,

3879
02:15:03,599 --> 02:15:05,760
he's like just like in his own world.

3880
02:15:05,039 --> 02:15:07,679
>> Exactly.

3881
02:15:05,760 --> 02:15:10,320
>> And then you start talking about chess

3882
02:15:07,679 --> 02:15:12,078
or jiu-jitsu or whatever and then we get

3883
02:15:10,319 --> 02:15:13,359
him on the golf course and this kid is

3884
02:15:12,078 --> 02:15:14,238
just dialed in.

3885
02:15:13,359 --> 02:15:15,598
>> Yeah. Superpower.

3886
02:15:14,238 --> 02:15:17,198
>> And I'm like, "Holy shit."

3887
02:15:15,599 --> 02:15:19,520
>> And they say that that's a disease.

3888
02:15:17,198 --> 02:15:21,279
That's crazy. Because if you find a

3889
02:15:19,520 --> 02:15:23,360
thing that that kid loves, he's going to

3890
02:15:21,279 --> 02:15:23,840
excel at it above and beyond most

3891
02:15:23,359 --> 02:15:26,000
humans.

3892
02:15:23,840 --> 02:15:28,078
>> We uh he does these chess classes and

3893
02:15:26,000 --> 02:15:30,639
like look, he's seven. So I'm like, "All

3894
02:15:28,078 --> 02:15:31,920
right, [ __ ] Bring it. [ __ ]

3895
02:15:30,639 --> 02:15:35,440
[ __ ] destroy you. I'm going to

3896
02:15:31,920 --> 02:15:38,719
[ __ ] ball you." And uh we're playing

3897
02:15:35,439 --> 02:15:40,960
last weekend and he goes, "Oh, Dad, you

3898
02:15:38,719 --> 02:15:42,399
know you can't castle out of check." I'm

3899
02:15:40,960 --> 02:15:44,560
like, "Shut the [ __ ] up. I know how this

3900
02:15:42,399 --> 02:15:47,198
game works." And I go on to beat him and

3901
02:15:44,560 --> 02:15:48,880
I and I went to my wife and I'm like,

3902
02:15:47,198 --> 02:15:51,118
he's six weeks away from beating me. I

3903
02:15:48,880 --> 02:15:53,920
got to go.

3904
02:15:51,118 --> 02:15:56,000
And then I spent I spent two days I

3905
02:15:53,920 --> 02:15:58,158
spent two [ __ ] days on YouTube and I

3906
02:15:56,000 --> 02:16:00,078
was like, "Okay, I got to brush up on my

3907
02:15:58,158 --> 02:16:01,519
openings and I got to I got Oh my god, I

3908
02:16:00,078 --> 02:16:03,439
don't have time for this [ __ ]

3909
02:16:01,520 --> 02:16:05,040
>> But I can't let this sevenyear-old beat

3910
02:16:03,439 --> 02:16:06,638
me.

3911
02:16:05,039 --> 02:16:06,960
>> You know what I mean? You're going to

3912
02:16:06,639 --> 02:16:08,400
have to."

3913
02:16:06,960 --> 02:16:10,078
>> And I'm like And I was like, "How do I

3914
02:16:08,399 --> 02:16:11,679
how do I stall this until maybe he's 10

3915
02:16:10,078 --> 02:16:13,279
or 11?" Then it's like, "Okay, fine. You

3916
02:16:11,679 --> 02:16:15,039
finally beat me. Congratulations.

3917
02:16:13,279 --> 02:16:16,960
>> You have to think of him as an extension

3918
02:16:15,039 --> 02:16:17,760
of you and be happy when he does.

3919
02:16:16,960 --> 02:16:19,359
>> Oh my god.

3920
02:16:17,760 --> 02:16:21,760
>> Yeah. That's just how it is. Look, if

3921
02:16:19,359 --> 02:16:24,000
you're a man and you have a son, I I

3922
02:16:21,760 --> 02:16:26,880
have all daughters, but if I had a son,

3923
02:16:24,000 --> 02:16:29,520
I would be legitimately terrified that

3924
02:16:26,880 --> 02:16:31,039
he'd be able to tap me. Because if I had

3925
02:16:29,520 --> 02:16:32,559
a son, one of the first things that I

3926
02:16:31,039 --> 02:16:33,840
would do is get them. I got my kids

3927
02:16:32,558 --> 02:16:35,199
involved in martial arts at an early

3928
02:16:33,840 --> 02:16:36,478
age, but I didn't force them to keep

3929
02:16:35,200 --> 02:16:37,760
doing it. They did it for a certain

3930
02:16:36,478 --> 02:16:38,879
amount of time, and then they went on to

3931
02:16:37,760 --> 02:16:39,760
do a bunch of other things that they

3932
02:16:38,879 --> 02:16:41,679
enjoy better,

3933
02:16:39,760 --> 02:16:43,920
>> which is fine. But I think it's good to

3934
02:16:41,679 --> 02:16:46,000
learn some skills, learn how to defend

3935
02:16:43,920 --> 02:16:47,519
yourself so you're not completely lost.

3936
02:16:46,000 --> 02:16:49,280
Just it's I think it's good for you.

3937
02:16:47,519 --> 02:16:51,359
It's good to learn. It's good to develop

3938
02:16:49,280 --> 02:16:53,519
confidence. But for boys, I think it's

3939
02:16:51,359 --> 02:16:55,519
critical, you know, especially boys with

3940
02:16:53,519 --> 02:16:56,639
my kind of DNA. I'm like, I think it's

3941
02:16:55,519 --> 02:16:58,639
good to get that [ __ ] out of your

3942
02:16:56,638 --> 02:16:59,839
system. But if I had a son, there'd be a

3943
02:16:58,638 --> 02:17:01,119
certain point in time. I'm like, it's a

3944
02:16:59,840 --> 02:17:04,079
matter of time before this [ __ ]

3945
02:17:01,120 --> 02:17:06,240
can kill me. You know, it's like I mean,

3946
02:17:04,079 --> 02:17:07,760
I'm 58 years old. If I had a 20-year-old

3947
02:17:06,239 --> 02:17:08,318
kid, like, he'd probably kill me.

3948
02:17:07,760 --> 02:17:09,359
>> Kick your ass.

3949
02:17:08,318 --> 02:17:11,039
>> Probably [ __ ] kill me.

3950
02:17:09,359 --> 02:17:12,399
>> He'd kick your ass. Yeah. It's like what

3951
02:17:11,040 --> 02:17:13,760
am I going to do? There's nothing you

3952
02:17:12,398 --> 02:17:15,119
can do. You just have to accept it and

3953
02:17:13,760 --> 02:17:16,639
then hope your relationship with him is

3954
02:17:15,120 --> 02:17:18,880
strong enough that he still respects you

3955
02:17:16,638 --> 02:17:21,358
even though he can kill you because it

3956
02:17:18,879 --> 02:17:23,438
can't be entirely ba. Look, there's a

3957
02:17:21,359 --> 02:17:25,920
lot of martial arts instructors that are

3958
02:17:23,439 --> 02:17:27,679
old and they're revered and respected

3959
02:17:25,920 --> 02:17:30,239
and nobody wants to try to hurt them,

3960
02:17:27,679 --> 02:17:31,679
right? Because you realize if you learn

3961
02:17:30,239 --> 02:17:32,959
enough, you get to a certain point in

3962
02:17:31,679 --> 02:17:35,200
time, you realize like

3963
02:17:32,959 --> 02:17:36,718
>> I'm a much better dad to my sons than I

3964
02:17:35,200 --> 02:17:38,159
am my daughters. And I mean this in the

3965
02:17:36,718 --> 02:17:40,079
following way. My daughters have the run

3966
02:17:38,159 --> 02:17:41,599
of the place. Whatever they want, I'm in

3967
02:17:40,079 --> 02:17:43,439
love with them. I don't love them. I'm

3968
02:17:41,599 --> 02:17:44,799
in love with them. Whatever they need,

3969
02:17:43,439 --> 02:17:45,599
what they can just

3970
02:17:44,799 --> 02:17:47,039
>> enamored by.

3971
02:17:45,599 --> 02:17:48,159
>> They're just like they can control me.

3972
02:17:47,040 --> 02:17:49,519
They just kind of send me in one

3973
02:17:48,159 --> 02:17:50,879
direction or another. I'm just like

3974
02:17:49,519 --> 02:17:51,760
they're I'm like,

3975
02:17:50,879 --> 02:17:52,879
>> by the way, they know that, too.

3976
02:17:51,760 --> 02:17:53,200
>> I'm enslaved by them.

3977
02:17:52,879 --> 02:17:54,318
>> Yes.

3978
02:17:53,200 --> 02:17:56,639
>> You know, and I just want their

3979
02:17:54,318 --> 02:17:57,599
attention. Any small little shred, I'm

3980
02:17:56,638 --> 02:17:59,039
like,

3981
02:17:57,599 --> 02:18:01,040
>> boo your son, you keep them in check.

3982
02:17:59,040 --> 02:18:02,960
>> Whereas like my sons, I keep the I'm

3983
02:18:01,040 --> 02:18:04,960
doing everything that I was supposed I

3984
02:18:02,959 --> 02:18:06,558
think I'm supposed to be doing. Now, the

3985
02:18:04,959 --> 02:18:07,759
good news is my, you know, daughters are

3986
02:18:06,558 --> 02:18:09,119
just different. Like, they're girls.

3987
02:18:07,760 --> 02:18:11,599
They're just, so they don't need the

3988
02:18:09,120 --> 02:18:12,160
same kind of like tough loveish,

3989
02:18:11,599 --> 02:18:14,719
>> right?

3990
02:18:12,159 --> 02:18:16,159
>> You know, but then my boys reveal their

3991
02:18:14,718 --> 02:18:17,438
characteristics in ways that really

3992
02:18:16,159 --> 02:18:19,039
surprise me. And I'm just like, man,

3993
02:18:17,439 --> 02:18:21,359
this is so [ __ ] awesome. Parenting

3994
02:18:19,040 --> 02:18:23,359
has been the best. Like, when I again,

3995
02:18:21,359 --> 02:18:24,159
like slowing down and actually being in

3996
02:18:23,359 --> 02:18:25,920
it,

3997
02:18:24,159 --> 02:18:28,318
>> and I'm like, [ __ ] this is amazing.

3998
02:18:25,920 --> 02:18:30,239
>> It is pretty amazing. And watching your

3999
02:18:28,318 --> 02:18:31,679
kids get really good at things is really

4000
02:18:30,239 --> 02:18:34,159
fascinating. It's fascinating. I told

4001
02:18:31,679 --> 02:18:36,239
you this story before, but like you know

4002
02:18:34,159 --> 02:18:40,239
my son, my oldest son, this is my

4003
02:18:36,239 --> 02:18:41,519
17-year-old. It's just a great kid.

4004
02:18:40,239 --> 02:18:43,359
He goes and he's like, "Okay, I'm

4005
02:18:41,519 --> 02:18:44,719
applying for college." And I'm like,

4006
02:18:43,359 --> 02:18:46,000
"Great. Let me take you to the Naval

4007
02:18:44,718 --> 02:18:48,239
Academy, West Point. Let me show you

4008
02:18:46,000 --> 02:18:49,760
these servicemies." And he sees those

4009
02:18:48,239 --> 02:18:50,879
and he's like, "These are incredible."

4010
02:18:49,760 --> 02:18:52,719
But then he's like, "I think I want to

4011
02:18:50,879 --> 02:18:54,000
go to like, you know, Georgetown or

4012
02:18:52,718 --> 02:18:56,398
Vanderbilt or whatever." And I'm like,

4013
02:18:54,000 --> 02:18:58,718
"Hey man, that's like um just a bigger

4014
02:18:56,398 --> 02:19:00,879
version of your high school and

4015
02:18:58,718 --> 02:19:04,558
whatever. if that's what you want to do,

4016
02:19:00,879 --> 02:19:07,438
you do you. And you know, um, but you

4017
02:19:04,558 --> 02:19:09,039
know, my the I'll help you like kind of

4018
02:19:07,439 --> 02:19:11,439
get to the starting line here, but

4019
02:19:09,040 --> 02:19:12,719
you're on your own. And he had to get a

4020
02:19:11,439 --> 02:19:13,920
job because I'm like, if you're going to

4021
02:19:12,718 --> 02:19:16,879
get into these schools, you got to get a

4022
02:19:13,920 --> 02:19:18,478
job. And so he tries to

4023
02:19:16,879 --> 02:19:21,119
last summer, I just started [ __ ]

4024
02:19:18,478 --> 02:19:22,558
screaming at him. And I'm like, you

4025
02:19:21,120 --> 02:19:24,079
[ __ ] louse, you haven't done

4026
02:19:22,558 --> 02:19:25,920
anything. And this is at like another

4027
02:19:24,079 --> 02:19:28,159
kid's at our at our son's birthday

4028
02:19:25,920 --> 02:19:30,558
party. I scream at him. He starts

4029
02:19:28,159 --> 02:19:33,200
crying. I'm like, "You need to do more."

4030
02:19:30,558 --> 02:19:35,199
Then my wife screams at him. He starts

4031
02:19:33,200 --> 02:19:38,559
crying again. Then my ex-wife screams at

4032
02:19:35,200 --> 02:19:40,800
him. He starts crying again.

4033
02:19:38,558 --> 02:19:43,358
And he just goes, "I'm out of here." He

4034
02:19:40,799 --> 02:19:44,959
walks out. Meanwhile, I start panicking

4035
02:19:43,359 --> 02:19:47,040
and I'm like, "I got to tiger dad this

4036
02:19:44,959 --> 02:19:48,318
situation." So, I start texting a few

4037
02:19:47,040 --> 02:19:49,840
friends trying to figure out, "Hey, can

4038
02:19:48,318 --> 02:19:51,439
I, you know, do you guys want to hire

4039
02:19:49,840 --> 02:19:52,880
this kid? He's like really, you know,

4040
02:19:51,439 --> 02:19:55,359
he's pretty smart kid. Did all this

4041
02:19:52,879 --> 02:19:57,358
stuff in robotics, yada yada." One of

4042
02:19:55,359 --> 02:20:01,040
them says, "I'd be willing to interview

4043
02:19:57,359 --> 02:20:02,559
him." I call him and he's like, "Dad, I

4044
02:20:01,040 --> 02:20:05,760
got a job." I said, 'What do you mean

4045
02:20:02,559 --> 02:20:07,279
you got a job? Said, 'I went around

4046
02:20:05,760 --> 02:20:08,800
downtown,

4047
02:20:07,280 --> 02:20:12,720
went to all these places and I was in a

4048
02:20:08,799 --> 02:20:13,840
McDonald's and um the woman was having a

4049
02:20:12,719 --> 02:20:14,959
little bit of difficulty speaking

4050
02:20:13,840 --> 02:20:16,398
English, so I just booked her in

4051
02:20:14,959 --> 02:20:17,599
Spanish. I got the application. I sat

4052
02:20:16,398 --> 02:20:20,639
down at the desk and the guy having

4053
02:20:17,600 --> 02:20:23,359
lunch beside me said, "Hey, I heard you

4054
02:20:20,639 --> 02:20:25,358
needed a job and uh I really like the

4055
02:20:23,359 --> 02:20:26,720
way you talked to this woman. I'm the

4056
02:20:25,359 --> 02:20:29,600
general manager of the car wash down the

4057
02:20:26,719 --> 02:20:30,799
street. Come and work for me."

4058
02:20:29,600 --> 02:20:32,079
And I said, "Well, what are you going to

4059
02:20:30,799 --> 02:20:34,398
do?" He goes, "I'm going to go work

4060
02:20:32,079 --> 02:20:35,840
there." And I said, "Okay, well, I got

4061
02:20:34,398 --> 02:20:37,519
this other interview for you as well, so

4062
02:20:35,840 --> 02:20:39,280
you should see maybe you can do both."

4063
02:20:37,520 --> 02:20:40,640
Anyways, the end of the story is he did

4064
02:20:39,280 --> 02:20:42,479
he did these two jobs. He worked at a

4065
02:20:40,639 --> 02:20:44,318
robotics firm, but then he worked at a

4066
02:20:42,478 --> 02:20:45,920
car wash. And when I tell you this

4067
02:20:44,318 --> 02:20:48,398
story, I am so proud of this kid because

4068
02:20:45,920 --> 02:20:49,600
of the car wash. Because that car wash

4069
02:20:48,398 --> 02:20:51,439
thing, he was he would come home and

4070
02:20:49,600 --> 02:20:52,960
he's like, "Man, you have no idea how

4071
02:20:51,439 --> 02:20:54,800
people live." And I'm like, "What do you

4072
02:20:52,959 --> 02:20:56,639
mean?" He's like, "The stuff that I find

4073
02:20:54,799 --> 02:20:58,559
in the trunk when I have to vacuum these

4074
02:20:56,639 --> 02:21:00,239
cars and clean out the cars." And I'm

4075
02:20:58,559 --> 02:21:02,639
like, "Bro, that is a gift. You have

4076
02:21:00,239 --> 02:21:04,959
given a [ __ ] gift. That is the thing

4077
02:21:02,639 --> 02:21:06,239
that if you take with you, you'll be

4078
02:21:04,959 --> 02:21:07,919
golden the rest of your life." Because

4079
02:21:06,239 --> 02:21:09,280
all this other [ __ ] is all kind of

4080
02:21:07,920 --> 02:21:11,280
manufactured. I help because I'm

4081
02:21:09,280 --> 02:21:13,120
anxious. I'm insecure. Mhm.

4082
02:21:11,280 --> 02:21:14,800
>> But that [ __ ] you did on your own. And

4083
02:21:13,120 --> 02:21:16,399
that thing is what people will [ __ ]

4084
02:21:14,799 --> 02:21:18,159
respect when push comes to shove.

4085
02:21:16,398 --> 02:21:18,799
>> It's also jobs that suck are really good

4086
02:21:18,159 --> 02:21:20,879
for you.

4087
02:21:18,799 --> 02:21:22,959
>> So good. I used to work at Burger King

4088
02:21:20,879 --> 02:21:23,599
when I was 14.

4089
02:21:22,959 --> 02:21:26,478
>> Man, let me tell you.

4090
02:21:23,600 --> 02:21:30,159
>> You were 14 and you had a job.

4091
02:21:26,478 --> 02:21:32,239
>> When my dad had to stay behind like we

4092
02:21:30,159 --> 02:21:35,039
were my dad was a diplomat in the

4093
02:21:32,239 --> 02:21:37,039
embassy of Sri Lanka in Canada. This

4094
02:21:35,040 --> 02:21:38,880
[ __ ] war in Sri Lanka is crazy. He

4095
02:21:37,040 --> 02:21:41,359
writes this essay. His life is

4096
02:21:38,879 --> 02:21:44,879
threatened. So he files for refugee

4097
02:21:41,359 --> 02:21:47,040
status. He gets it.

4098
02:21:44,879 --> 02:21:48,559
He gets kicked out of the embassy. So he

4099
02:21:47,040 --> 02:21:50,160
doesn't have a job. My mom becomes a

4100
02:21:48,559 --> 02:21:51,519
housekeeper

4101
02:21:50,159 --> 02:21:54,000
and we're kind of toiling in this

4102
02:21:51,520 --> 02:21:56,159
poverty cycle. So 14 you have to I had

4103
02:21:54,000 --> 02:21:58,079
to get a job and I would take the money

4104
02:21:56,159 --> 02:21:59,280
and you know we buy I buy the bus

4105
02:21:58,079 --> 02:22:01,120
passes. I would buy some of the

4106
02:21:59,280 --> 02:22:04,079
groceries. We just trying to make it all

4107
02:22:01,120 --> 02:22:05,840
work right. And uh I got a job at the

4108
02:22:04,079 --> 02:22:08,239
Burger King.

4109
02:22:05,840 --> 02:22:10,239
This is another example where I was

4110
02:22:08,239 --> 02:22:12,959
like, I'm going to go get a job. Hey,

4111
02:22:10,239 --> 02:22:16,239
can you drive me to the interview? And

4112
02:22:12,959 --> 02:22:18,478
my dad's like, "No,

4113
02:22:16,239 --> 02:22:20,719
get on your [ __ ] bicycle and go." And

4114
02:22:18,478 --> 02:22:22,398
I thought, "Bro, we need this. You need

4115
02:22:20,719 --> 02:22:25,920
the money more than I do. Why are you

4116
02:22:22,398 --> 02:22:27,439
making me bicycle?" But I bicycled and I

4117
02:22:25,920 --> 02:22:28,719
got the job and I worked there. And I

4118
02:22:27,439 --> 02:22:30,318
used to work the night shift.

4119
02:22:28,719 --> 02:22:32,318
14-year-old kid, man. Wow.

4120
02:22:30,318 --> 02:22:34,159
>> From [ __ ] 8 till 2 in the morning.

4121
02:22:32,318 --> 02:22:34,799
And I would have to clean this like 8:00

4122
02:22:34,159 --> 02:22:35,760
p.m. to 2 in the morning.

4123
02:22:34,799 --> 02:22:36,239
>> Then you had to go to school in the

4124
02:22:35,760 --> 02:22:38,079
morning.

4125
02:22:36,239 --> 02:22:39,039
>> No, then I this was always like Friday,

4126
02:22:38,079 --> 02:22:39,520
Saturday, Sunday.

4127
02:22:39,040 --> 02:22:40,640
>> Wow.

4128
02:22:39,520 --> 02:22:42,000
>> Thursday, Friday. Sorry. Thursday,

4129
02:22:40,639 --> 02:22:44,239
Friday, Saturday. And then Yeah. Some

4130
02:22:42,000 --> 02:22:46,000
days I would have to go to school. But

4131
02:22:44,239 --> 02:22:48,559
And why did I work until two? Because

4132
02:22:46,000 --> 02:22:50,799
when the restaurant closes,

4133
02:22:48,559 --> 02:22:52,318
you get whatever the food is left over,

4134
02:22:50,799 --> 02:22:54,159
right? So like you get a couple chicken

4135
02:22:52,318 --> 02:22:56,239
sandwiches, you get like the, you know,

4136
02:22:54,159 --> 02:22:58,799
the the version of the McNuggets that

4137
02:22:56,239 --> 02:23:02,239
Burger King had, a couple whoppers, and

4138
02:22:58,799 --> 02:23:04,398
you take them home.

4139
02:23:02,239 --> 02:23:07,520
But the amount of vomit that I had to

4140
02:23:04,398 --> 02:23:10,318
clean up the bathroom, you can't

4141
02:23:07,520 --> 02:23:14,560
imagine, man, the a downtown Burger King

4142
02:23:10,318 --> 02:23:16,079
near bars, you know, after closing time,

4143
02:23:14,559 --> 02:23:16,799
the [ __ ] you see.

4144
02:23:16,079 --> 02:23:19,359
>> Oh, wow.

4145
02:23:16,799 --> 02:23:20,879
>> And the [ __ ] you deal with. And all I

4146
02:23:19,359 --> 02:23:23,359
could think of was like, I just want to

4147
02:23:20,879 --> 02:23:24,478
get the [ __ ] out of here. But that was

4148
02:23:23,359 --> 02:23:25,359
so valuable for me.

4149
02:23:24,478 --> 02:23:29,279
>> Yeah,

4150
02:23:25,359 --> 02:23:31,040
>> that was so valuable for me. Um,

4151
02:23:29,280 --> 02:23:32,560
and then I worry that my, you know, kids

4152
02:23:31,040 --> 02:23:34,560
don't get exposed to it, but when my son

4153
02:23:32,559 --> 02:23:36,639
got it, maybe I'm overimposing too much

4154
02:23:34,559 --> 02:23:38,559
about it, but it's like I'm like, man,

4155
02:23:36,639 --> 02:23:40,000
that that car wash thing is really going

4156
02:23:38,559 --> 02:23:40,799
to be the thing that separates you in

4157
02:23:40,000 --> 02:23:42,799
life.

4158
02:23:40,799 --> 02:23:43,438
>> Yeah. Doing something that sucks. It it

4159
02:23:42,799 --> 02:23:44,879
also

4160
02:23:43,439 --> 02:23:47,040
>> just being humble and grinding through

4161
02:23:44,879 --> 02:23:49,599
that [ __ ] you know? Do you realize like

4162
02:23:47,040 --> 02:23:52,720
this is sometimes people they don't pick

4163
02:23:49,600 --> 02:23:54,239
a path and they just have a job and they

4164
02:23:52,719 --> 02:23:56,799
don't like it and they stay with this

4165
02:23:54,239 --> 02:23:58,239
thing they don't like forever and that's

4166
02:23:56,799 --> 02:23:58,478
not what you want.

4167
02:23:58,239 --> 02:24:00,159
>> No,

4168
02:23:58,478 --> 02:24:03,039
>> it's not what you want. But the

4169
02:24:00,159 --> 02:24:04,959
development like the learning how to do

4170
02:24:03,040 --> 02:24:05,520
something that sucks and grinding

4171
02:24:04,959 --> 02:24:06,799
through it

4172
02:24:05,520 --> 02:24:08,079
>> and still doing it well.

4173
02:24:06,799 --> 02:24:09,920
>> Yeah. You know, doing it well.

4174
02:24:08,079 --> 02:24:11,359
>> Make a make a Whopper. Be there on top.

4175
02:24:09,920 --> 02:24:11,680
>> I know how to [ __ ] make a Whopper.

4176
02:24:11,359 --> 02:24:12,479
>> Yeah.

4177
02:24:11,680 --> 02:24:13,280
>> Do you know what I mean?

4178
02:24:12,478 --> 02:24:15,679
>> Yeah.

4179
02:24:13,280 --> 02:24:16,319
uh make the fries, change the oil, all

4180
02:24:15,680 --> 02:24:18,880
that [ __ ]

4181
02:24:16,318 --> 02:24:21,439
>> And then when you apply that those

4182
02:24:18,879 --> 02:24:23,358
lessons to something you actually love

4183
02:24:21,439 --> 02:24:23,840
and you work hard at something you love,

4184
02:24:23,359 --> 02:24:26,318
>> magical.

4185
02:24:23,840 --> 02:24:27,359
>> Oh, it's incredible. It's a real gift.

4186
02:24:26,318 --> 02:24:29,519
>> It's a real gift.

4187
02:24:27,359 --> 02:24:32,318
>> Yeah. I mean, you know, some people they

4188
02:24:29,520 --> 02:24:34,159
don't appreciate the process, you know,

4189
02:24:32,318 --> 02:24:36,239
and it's hard to because like when

4190
02:24:34,159 --> 02:24:37,840
you're young and you're going through

4191
02:24:36,239 --> 02:24:39,439
these difficult jobs and these things

4192
02:24:37,840 --> 02:24:41,600
that suck and you don't know how it's

4193
02:24:39,439 --> 02:24:42,960
going to turn out, you know, and a lot

4194
02:24:41,600 --> 02:24:45,439
of times people aren't really educated

4195
02:24:42,959 --> 02:24:47,519
in what a process actually is and about

4196
02:24:45,439 --> 02:24:49,680
how it does develop character and it

4197
02:24:47,520 --> 02:24:51,600
does develop discipline and that these

4198
02:24:49,680 --> 02:24:54,159
things are actual skills that you can

4199
02:24:51,600 --> 02:24:55,920
apply to other things in life. You just

4200
02:24:54,159 --> 02:24:58,079
think, "God, I'm a [ __ ] loser." I

4201
02:24:55,920 --> 02:24:59,760
have a I have a visual for this. I

4202
02:24:58,079 --> 02:25:01,280
always ask myself, am I in the engine

4203
02:24:59,760 --> 02:25:02,880
room right now?

4204
02:25:01,280 --> 02:25:04,960
>> This is my way of saying like an engine

4205
02:25:02,879 --> 02:25:07,119
room is a little hot. It's a little

4206
02:25:04,959 --> 02:25:08,879
uncomfortable, but it's where all the

4207
02:25:07,120 --> 02:25:10,079
[ __ ] is happening. It's where the [ __ ]

4208
02:25:08,879 --> 02:25:12,079
is being made.

4209
02:25:10,079 --> 02:25:13,680
>> And so I'm like, it's a little, you

4210
02:25:12,079 --> 02:25:15,520
know, discomforting,

4211
02:25:13,680 --> 02:25:17,600
>> but I got to be in there. And there are

4212
02:25:15,520 --> 02:25:20,239
days where, and there'll be weeks

4213
02:25:17,600 --> 02:25:21,600
>> where that's all I do. I'm just in it,

4214
02:25:20,239 --> 02:25:23,039
you know? I don't I'm not good at

4215
02:25:21,600 --> 02:25:24,318
responding to emails sometimes or

4216
02:25:23,040 --> 02:25:27,280
whatever because there'll just be weeks

4217
02:25:24,318 --> 02:25:29,039
where I'm in it and it's an incredible

4218
02:25:27,280 --> 02:25:31,520
visual for me because I'm like yeah this

4219
02:25:29,040 --> 02:25:33,280
is like where like I'm grounded

4220
02:25:31,520 --> 02:25:37,760
>> and I like feel myself and then when I

4221
02:25:33,280 --> 02:25:39,520
when I look at my like my health

4222
02:25:37,760 --> 02:25:43,680
that's when like I just feel like really

4223
02:25:39,520 --> 02:25:45,600
good about myself like not insecure and

4224
02:25:43,680 --> 02:25:49,280
my vitals are different like it's crazy

4225
02:25:45,600 --> 02:25:51,200
like my [ __ ] HRV like my HRV

4226
02:25:49,280 --> 02:25:55,040
craters

4227
02:25:51,200 --> 02:25:56,159
when I'm like just like you know

4228
02:25:55,040 --> 02:25:57,520
insecure

4229
02:25:56,159 --> 02:25:59,119
>> of course

4230
02:25:57,520 --> 02:26:01,120
>> but why is that like it's it's your it's

4231
02:25:59,120 --> 02:26:03,680
your heart rate variability should have

4232
02:26:01,120 --> 02:26:05,200
nothing to do with your like

4233
02:26:03,680 --> 02:26:08,000
>> disposition and your mood

4234
02:26:05,200 --> 02:26:10,240
>> well your mind is the idea that your

4235
02:26:08,000 --> 02:26:10,959
mind is separate from the body is crazy

4236
02:26:10,239 --> 02:26:12,398
>> it's crazy

4237
02:26:10,959 --> 02:26:14,398
>> it's not and

4238
02:26:12,398 --> 02:26:15,840
>> but is your HRV lower when you're just

4239
02:26:14,398 --> 02:26:16,799
out of sorts

4240
02:26:15,840 --> 02:26:18,799
>> yes probably right

4241
02:26:16,799 --> 02:26:20,000
>> I'm sure yeah I don't really monitor it

4242
02:26:18,799 --> 02:26:21,679
that much Yeah.

4243
02:26:20,000 --> 02:26:24,079
>> And I'm I try not to ever get out of

4244
02:26:21,680 --> 02:26:26,159
sorts, too. And one of the ways that I

4245
02:26:24,079 --> 02:26:28,959
keep from getting out of sorts is daily

4246
02:26:26,159 --> 02:26:30,799
discipline. Like it's if I if I have

4247
02:26:28,959 --> 02:26:32,159
days where I'm sure it gets out of sorts

4248
02:26:30,799 --> 02:26:34,318
if I have a few days in a row where I

4249
02:26:32,159 --> 02:26:36,159
don't work out, but I I work out almost

4250
02:26:34,318 --> 02:26:38,079
every day. And if I'm not working out,

4251
02:26:36,159 --> 02:26:40,398
I'm still cold plunging and going to the

4252
02:26:38,079 --> 02:26:42,000
sauna and stretching. I'm always doing

4253
02:26:40,398 --> 02:26:44,398
something. And if I don't do something,

4254
02:26:42,000 --> 02:26:45,120
I feel like I'm [ __ ] up. And then

4255
02:26:44,398 --> 02:26:46,719
then I can

4256
02:26:45,120 --> 02:26:48,479
>> So, does it matter what it is? Meaning,

4257
02:26:46,719 --> 02:26:50,478
as long as it's a routine.

4258
02:26:48,478 --> 02:26:52,318
>> Yeah. Well, I I do it all myself. I

4259
02:26:50,478 --> 02:26:53,760
don't have a trainer, but I write things

4260
02:26:52,318 --> 02:26:54,879
down. I write down what I want to

4261
02:26:53,760 --> 02:26:57,680
accomplish. I write down what I'm going

4262
02:26:54,879 --> 02:26:59,599
to do, and then I just do it. I like a

4263
02:26:57,680 --> 02:27:00,159
robot force myself to do it.

4264
02:26:59,600 --> 02:27:01,600
>> Yeah.

4265
02:27:00,159 --> 02:27:03,119
>> And then I always feel better after it's

4266
02:27:01,600 --> 02:27:03,680
over. And it's always the hardest part

4267
02:27:03,120 --> 02:27:05,520
of my day.

4268
02:27:03,680 --> 02:27:07,680
>> Yeah. And so it makes everything else so

4269
02:27:05,520 --> 02:27:08,800
much easier because it's I [ __ ] work

4270
02:27:07,680 --> 02:27:11,120
out hard

4271
02:27:08,799 --> 02:27:12,959
>> and so everything else is pretty easy,

4272
02:27:11,120 --> 02:27:15,359
>> you know, because the strain like just

4273
02:27:12,959 --> 02:27:18,000
being in that [ __ ] cold water or just

4274
02:27:15,359 --> 02:27:20,159
going through Tabatas on a a dye bike

4275
02:27:18,000 --> 02:27:22,318
like this shit's hard. It's really hard.

4276
02:27:20,159 --> 02:27:24,478
Like I could die right now hard. And so

4277
02:27:22,318 --> 02:27:26,159
everything else is like how how hard's

4278
02:27:24,478 --> 02:27:28,639
it going to be? Oh, it's uncomfortable.

4279
02:27:26,159 --> 02:27:31,359
Oh boohoo, you know? Like I think it's

4280
02:27:28,639 --> 02:27:33,519
important to go through that. I I really

4281
02:27:31,359 --> 02:27:35,520
think it is, you know? I really think it

4282
02:27:33,520 --> 02:27:37,120
is and that that's a the difference

4283
02:27:35,520 --> 02:27:39,920
between,

4284
02:27:37,120 --> 02:27:43,439
>> you know, sanity and like having a very

4285
02:27:39,920 --> 02:27:46,478
slippery grip on your your own personal

4286
02:27:43,439 --> 02:27:50,479
sovereignty. I think a lot of it is like

4287
02:27:46,478 --> 02:27:52,719
you have to choose it. It has to be like

4288
02:27:50,478 --> 02:27:55,438
elective

4289
02:27:52,719 --> 02:27:56,239
voluntary adversity. Like you have to

4290
02:27:55,439 --> 02:27:57,600
choose to do it.

4291
02:27:56,239 --> 02:27:59,280
>> Yeah. I that's a really great way of

4292
02:27:57,600 --> 02:28:00,559
saying it. Voluntary adversity. If it's

4293
02:27:59,280 --> 02:28:02,159
forced upon you,

4294
02:28:00,559 --> 02:28:03,760
>> you can kind of compartmentalize

4295
02:28:02,159 --> 02:28:05,280
>> and then you get angry like [ __ ] this

4296
02:28:03,760 --> 02:28:07,359
bitter and resentful making me do stupid

4297
02:28:05,280 --> 02:28:08,079
[ __ ] But if you force yourself to do

4298
02:28:07,359 --> 02:28:09,600
it, you know,

4299
02:28:08,079 --> 02:28:10,559
>> this why these special forces guys are

4300
02:28:09,600 --> 02:28:11,120
such [ __ ] animals.

4301
02:28:10,559 --> 02:28:12,159
>> Of course,

4302
02:28:11,120 --> 02:28:15,520
>> they're choosing,

4303
02:28:12,159 --> 02:28:17,200
>> right? Exactly. And they develop that,

4304
02:28:15,520 --> 02:28:18,479
you know, this mentality when you're

4305
02:28:17,200 --> 02:28:21,439
around other people that are also

4306
02:28:18,478 --> 02:28:22,799
savages. You know, you just you realize

4307
02:28:21,439 --> 02:28:25,280
like there's other people out there in

4308
02:28:22,799 --> 02:28:27,279
the world that are not making excuses.

4309
02:28:25,280 --> 02:28:29,680
they are getting after it every day and

4310
02:28:27,280 --> 02:28:30,800
they are pushing every day. And the more

4311
02:28:29,680 --> 02:28:32,800
you can surround yourself with people

4312
02:28:30,799 --> 02:28:34,959
like that, the more people the people

4313
02:28:32,799 --> 02:28:37,920
that complain about nonsense and the

4314
02:28:34,959 --> 02:28:40,478
find excuses and focus on other people

4315
02:28:37,920 --> 02:28:42,639
and [ __ ] about things and why is she

4316
02:28:40,478 --> 02:28:44,239
doing this? Why is this happening for

4317
02:28:42,639 --> 02:28:44,639
him?

4318
02:28:44,239 --> 02:28:46,318
>> Yeah,

4319
02:28:44,639 --> 02:28:48,079
>> it's loser mentality. And if you're

4320
02:28:46,318 --> 02:28:49,439
around more winners, you know, you

4321
02:28:48,079 --> 02:28:50,959
absorb that. You imitate your

4322
02:28:49,439 --> 02:28:52,398
atmosphere. Yeah, it's very important

4323
02:28:50,959 --> 02:28:55,199
and it's very hard for people,

4324
02:28:52,398 --> 02:28:58,719
especially young people, to find

4325
02:28:55,200 --> 02:29:00,880
positive influences and to find positive

4326
02:28:58,719 --> 02:29:02,000
groups. And I think it's one of the

4327
02:29:00,879 --> 02:29:03,519
reasons why a lot of young people

4328
02:29:02,000 --> 02:29:05,040
gravitate towards podcast because they

4329
02:29:03,520 --> 02:29:07,280
get to hear interesting conversations

4330
02:29:05,040 --> 02:29:09,439
with really accomplished people that are

4331
02:29:07,280 --> 02:29:12,079
fascinating that are unlike anybody that

4332
02:29:09,439 --> 02:29:13,760
they're around on a daily basis,

4333
02:29:12,079 --> 02:29:15,760
>> you know. And that that's also one of

4334
02:29:13,760 --> 02:29:17,280
the reasons why it's important to find

4335
02:29:15,760 --> 02:29:19,040
some that's why martial arts are so good

4336
02:29:17,280 --> 02:29:21,120
for young people because you're around

4337
02:29:19,040 --> 02:29:23,280
other people that are doing this really

4338
02:29:21,120 --> 02:29:24,479
difficult thing and other sports too

4339
02:29:23,280 --> 02:29:25,040
whether it's football or wrestling

4340
02:29:24,478 --> 02:29:26,398
whatever it is.

4341
02:29:25,040 --> 02:29:28,000
>> I actually found like you know the last

4342
02:29:26,398 --> 02:29:29,519
few years I go out of my way to not

4343
02:29:28,000 --> 02:29:31,520
isolate myself. That's one thing like

4344
02:29:29,520 --> 02:29:32,079
being around other people engaging in

4345
02:29:31,520 --> 02:29:32,560
things.

4346
02:29:32,079 --> 02:29:33,920
>> Yes.

4347
02:29:32,559 --> 02:29:34,639
>> Has been really healthy for me.

4348
02:29:33,920 --> 02:29:36,079
>> Oh for sure.

4349
02:29:34,639 --> 02:29:37,199
>> Oh my god. And I just found like what

4350
02:29:36,079 --> 02:29:38,799
the [ __ ] am I doing? It's like

4351
02:29:37,200 --> 02:29:40,880
everything is in my little house by

4352
02:29:38,799 --> 02:29:42,159
myself with everybody everything comes

4353
02:29:40,879 --> 02:29:43,759
to me. It's so odd.

4354
02:29:42,159 --> 02:29:44,318
>> It's odd. It's really odd. Very

4355
02:29:43,760 --> 02:29:45,520
unhealthy.

4356
02:29:44,318 --> 02:29:45,920
>> And it starts to [ __ ] you up in the

4357
02:29:45,520 --> 02:29:47,840
bind.

4358
02:29:45,920 --> 02:29:49,920
>> And then your interaction with humans is

4359
02:29:47,840 --> 02:29:50,239
only on the internet. It's terrible. You

4360
02:29:49,920 --> 02:29:51,920
know,

4361
02:29:50,239 --> 02:29:53,439
>> or with people that are sickantically

4362
02:29:51,920 --> 02:29:54,318
either being paid or need something from

4363
02:29:53,439 --> 02:29:55,120
you.

4364
02:29:54,318 --> 02:29:56,639
>> Yeah.

4365
02:29:55,120 --> 02:29:57,280
>> And then I think you're in a really bad

4366
02:29:56,639 --> 02:29:57,840
place.

4367
02:29:57,280 --> 02:29:59,200
>> Absolutely.

4368
02:29:57,840 --> 02:30:00,799
>> Whereas like if you're in the grind with

4369
02:29:59,200 --> 02:30:01,920
other people, they're beating you at

4370
02:30:00,799 --> 02:30:03,039
things. It's great.

4371
02:30:01,920 --> 02:30:04,799
>> Yeah. Yeah, if you're in a situation

4372
02:30:03,040 --> 02:30:06,240
where there's a bunch of sickopantically

4373
02:30:04,799 --> 02:30:08,159
connected people to you and they're just

4374
02:30:06,239 --> 02:30:09,520
all kissing your ass and I mean we all

4375
02:30:08,159 --> 02:30:11,439
know people that are like the heads of

4376
02:30:09,520 --> 02:30:12,159
companies and that are just like [ __ ]

4377
02:30:11,439 --> 02:30:14,880
tyrants.

4378
02:30:12,159 --> 02:30:16,079
>> I think the the the the trap about being

4379
02:30:14,879 --> 02:30:17,679
successful because it's not everything

4380
02:30:16,079 --> 02:30:20,159
it's wrapped up to be is exactly that.

4381
02:30:17,680 --> 02:30:22,398
You become so isolated that you become

4382
02:30:20,159 --> 02:30:23,200
this like very caricaturous version of

4383
02:30:22,398 --> 02:30:25,760
yourself

4384
02:30:23,200 --> 02:30:28,240
>> because you forget what it's like to

4385
02:30:25,760 --> 02:30:30,398
just a basic example like wait in line,

4386
02:30:28,239 --> 02:30:32,478
be kind to other people, be polite, like

4387
02:30:30,398 --> 02:30:32,959
be accommodating, have some empathy,

4388
02:30:32,478 --> 02:30:34,478
>> right?

4389
02:30:32,959 --> 02:30:35,199
>> Where are you put in that situation to

4390
02:30:34,478 --> 02:30:36,639
do those things,

4391
02:30:35,200 --> 02:30:36,960
>> right? You forget that you're just a

4392
02:30:36,639 --> 02:30:38,079
person.

4393
02:30:36,959 --> 02:30:40,879
>> You're just a [ __ ] person.

4394
02:30:38,079 --> 02:30:42,959
>> And if you achieve some level of success

4395
02:30:40,879 --> 02:30:44,398
that you're trying to you're trying to

4396
02:30:42,959 --> 02:30:46,398
achieve this level of success so you

4397
02:30:44,398 --> 02:30:47,920
elevate past being a person, you're

4398
02:30:46,398 --> 02:30:50,398
missing the point. like you're never

4399
02:30:47,920 --> 02:30:50,879
going to and if you do it'll come at a

4400
02:30:50,398 --> 02:30:52,719
price.

4401
02:30:50,879 --> 02:30:56,079
>> I thought being successful was supposed

4402
02:30:52,719 --> 02:30:58,079
to write all the wrongs that I felt like

4403
02:30:56,079 --> 02:31:00,478
I missed

4404
02:30:58,079 --> 02:31:01,200
and it turns out nobody gives a [ __ ]

4405
02:31:00,478 --> 02:31:02,719
>> No.

4406
02:31:01,200 --> 02:31:06,479
>> And it does none of that.

4407
02:31:02,719 --> 02:31:07,920
>> I think it's all the process. The all of

4408
02:31:06,478 --> 02:31:08,559
life is the process.

4409
02:31:07,920 --> 02:31:10,079
>> I agree.

4410
02:31:08,559 --> 02:31:11,920
>> I think as soon as you think that

4411
02:31:10,079 --> 02:31:13,920
there's a goal like, "Oh, I'm going to

4412
02:31:11,920 --> 02:31:15,760
retire and experience my golden years."

4413
02:31:13,920 --> 02:31:19,520
I think it's all horseshit. And that's

4414
02:31:15,760 --> 02:31:21,920
one of my main fears about AI. My my

4415
02:31:19,520 --> 02:31:24,000
main one of my main fears about this

4416
02:31:21,920 --> 02:31:25,280
idea of universal high income and

4417
02:31:24,000 --> 02:31:27,600
everyone's going to have, you know,

4418
02:31:25,280 --> 02:31:30,720
ultimate abundance. It's like where does

4419
02:31:27,600 --> 02:31:34,079
anybody find purpose and meaning? And

4420
02:31:30,719 --> 02:31:37,119
where do the where do you take whatever

4421
02:31:34,079 --> 02:31:39,760
this thing is that the mind is

4422
02:31:37,120 --> 02:31:42,000
constructed of these these needs that

4423
02:31:39,760 --> 02:31:45,359
the mind has that have to be satisfied

4424
02:31:42,000 --> 02:31:48,000
in order to achieve sanity? in order to

4425
02:31:45,359 --> 02:31:49,040
achieve some sort of like place where

4426
02:31:48,000 --> 02:31:49,760
you can be at peace,

4427
02:31:49,040 --> 02:31:51,359
>> fulfillment.

4428
02:31:49,760 --> 02:31:52,639
>> Yeah, you have to do you're going to

4429
02:31:51,359 --> 02:31:54,960
have to do something, man. You're going

4430
02:31:52,639 --> 02:31:57,358
to have to do something. And I mean,

4431
02:31:54,959 --> 02:31:59,438
maybe it could just be jiu-jitsu and

4432
02:31:57,359 --> 02:32:03,040
golf and find some stuff that you enjoy

4433
02:31:59,439 --> 02:32:06,079
doing and take some benefit in that. But

4434
02:32:03,040 --> 02:32:08,160
boy, that's not been the case for

4435
02:32:06,079 --> 02:32:11,039
hundreds of years. You know, that's not

4436
02:32:08,159 --> 02:32:14,079
how human beings have exist. I mean, but

4437
02:32:11,040 --> 02:32:17,520
also part of me says, why do we have to

4438
02:32:14,079 --> 02:32:20,799
work to find those things? Why can't we

4439
02:32:17,520 --> 02:32:22,079
why why is it all that?

4440
02:32:20,799 --> 02:32:23,199
>> Well, you got to find the thing that's

4441
02:32:22,079 --> 02:32:25,439
not work,

4442
02:32:23,200 --> 02:32:30,079
>> right? But but I'm getting at is like

4443
02:32:25,439 --> 02:32:32,880
why is our identity all tied up in money

4444
02:32:30,079 --> 02:32:36,639
and and and and

4445
02:32:32,879 --> 02:32:38,398
just things and objects and stuff. And

4446
02:32:36,639 --> 02:32:40,239
this is a fairly new thing in human

4447
02:32:38,398 --> 02:32:44,639
society, right?

4448
02:32:40,239 --> 02:32:47,359
>> Why can't it transform into

4449
02:32:44,639 --> 02:32:48,719
m like your basic needs are all met?

4450
02:32:47,359 --> 02:32:50,640
Like nobody ever has to worry about

4451
02:32:48,719 --> 02:32:52,159
starving again. Nobody ever has to worry

4452
02:32:50,639 --> 02:32:53,680
about not having a home to sleep in.

4453
02:32:52,159 --> 02:32:55,200
Nobody ever has to worry about not

4454
02:32:53,680 --> 02:32:56,960
having healthcare. Nobody ever has to

4455
02:32:55,200 --> 02:32:59,520
worry about not having education. So

4456
02:32:56,959 --> 02:33:03,919
then it becomes find a purpose with your

4457
02:32:59,520 --> 02:33:07,120
life. And as a society, can we adjust?

4458
02:33:03,920 --> 02:33:08,960
Can we gravitate towards a new way of

4459
02:33:07,120 --> 02:33:11,840
existing in meaning? And it would

4460
02:33:08,959 --> 02:33:14,000
probably be great. In one way, it'd be

4461
02:33:11,840 --> 02:33:15,680
great because we wouldn't have to be

4462
02:33:14,000 --> 02:33:16,959
constantly thinking, why does he have

4463
02:33:15,680 --> 02:33:19,439
that and I don't have that and this and

4464
02:33:16,959 --> 02:33:21,919
that. Instead, it would probably be

4465
02:33:19,439 --> 02:33:23,120
like, what can I do to get better at the

4466
02:33:21,920 --> 02:33:24,000
thing that I love, right?

4467
02:33:23,120 --> 02:33:26,079
>> What you know, and

4468
02:33:24,000 --> 02:33:28,478
>> or let me be a part of a project to do

4469
02:33:26,079 --> 02:33:30,079
something that seems implausible,

4470
02:33:28,478 --> 02:33:31,920
>> but I feel like I'm in the engine room

4471
02:33:30,079 --> 02:33:34,000
every day. This is great. I'm toiling

4472
02:33:31,920 --> 02:33:36,719
with these guys. probably not going to

4473
02:33:34,000 --> 02:33:40,000
work. Some crazy convoluted thing that

4474
02:33:36,719 --> 02:33:42,159
has a .01 chance of success

4475
02:33:40,000 --> 02:33:43,040
>> that can captivate a lot of people.

4476
02:33:42,159 --> 02:33:43,840
>> Yes. You know,

4477
02:33:43,040 --> 02:33:44,720
>> the process.

4478
02:33:43,840 --> 02:33:45,120
>> The process.

4479
02:33:44,719 --> 02:33:45,760
>> Yeah.

4480
02:33:45,120 --> 02:33:47,200
>> The process.

4481
02:33:45,760 --> 02:33:49,040
>> The process is everything. And there's

4482
02:33:47,200 --> 02:33:50,960
no I used to like think backward.

4483
02:33:49,040 --> 02:33:51,600
>> There is no attention in the process,

4484
02:33:50,959 --> 02:33:53,599
>> right?

4485
02:33:51,600 --> 02:33:54,318
>> There's only attention in the outcome,

4486
02:33:53,600 --> 02:33:55,439
>> right?

4487
02:33:54,318 --> 02:33:56,079
>> Do you see what I mean?

4488
02:33:55,439 --> 02:33:58,079
>> Absolutely.

4489
02:33:56,079 --> 02:33:59,039
>> Which is another clue and a secret that

4490
02:33:58,079 --> 02:33:59,520
that's actually where you should be

4491
02:33:59,040 --> 02:34:00,720
focused.

4492
02:33:59,520 --> 02:34:02,239
>> Well, you might get attention, but

4493
02:34:00,719 --> 02:34:04,239
that's not what you want. What you want

4494
02:34:02,239 --> 02:34:05,840
is the process to work out. You you want

4495
02:34:04,239 --> 02:34:07,680
to get better at whatever it is you're

4496
02:34:05,840 --> 02:34:09,439
doing and get that thing to a better

4497
02:34:07,680 --> 02:34:10,880
place than it is right now currently.

4498
02:34:09,439 --> 02:34:12,639
Right. That's what you're thinking of.

4499
02:34:10,879 --> 02:34:14,398
You're not thinking of I am going to get

4500
02:34:12,639 --> 02:34:16,959
all this attention. I'm going to be on

4501
02:34:14,398 --> 02:34:19,279
the cover of a magazine.

4502
02:34:16,959 --> 02:34:21,679
Yeah. Can't It can't be that. That's not

4503
02:34:19,280 --> 02:34:23,200
good for anybody. But everybody thinks

4504
02:34:21,680 --> 02:34:23,920
that's what they're going to get. Oh,

4505
02:34:23,200 --> 02:34:25,760
I'm going to get this.

4506
02:34:23,920 --> 02:34:27,439
>> Everybody thinks that's what they want.

4507
02:34:25,760 --> 02:34:29,040
>> Yeah. Right.

4508
02:34:27,439 --> 02:34:30,000
>> And the problem with that is that it's

4509
02:34:29,040 --> 02:34:31,359
not what you want.

4510
02:34:30,000 --> 02:34:33,280
>> No.

4511
02:34:31,359 --> 02:34:34,800
And then now we're going to completely

4512
02:34:33,280 --> 02:34:38,159
upend

4513
02:34:34,799 --> 02:34:40,239
potentially all of that.

4514
02:34:38,159 --> 02:34:43,359
>> Yeah. Well, maybe it'll come inside

4515
02:34:40,239 --> 02:34:44,478
it'll come it'll coincide with the hive

4516
02:34:43,359 --> 02:34:46,079
mind technology.

4517
02:34:44,478 --> 02:34:48,000
>> This hive mind thing actually that you

4518
02:34:46,079 --> 02:34:53,359
say I find very compelling because this

4519
02:34:48,000 --> 02:34:55,040
idea of like how do you govern an AI?

4520
02:34:53,359 --> 02:34:57,840
Each of us individually are not capable,

4521
02:34:55,040 --> 02:35:01,200
but I think you, me, like 10,000, 100

4522
02:34:57,840 --> 02:35:03,840
thousand people working together.

4523
02:35:01,200 --> 02:35:05,200
The question is, are we smarter?

4524
02:35:03,840 --> 02:35:07,439
And I think there's a reasonable chance

4525
02:35:05,200 --> 02:35:08,960
that that could be true. And then the

4526
02:35:07,439 --> 02:35:10,720
other version of the hive mind is here

4527
02:35:08,959 --> 02:35:13,358
are all these like crazy ideas that

4528
02:35:10,719 --> 02:35:15,358
would just make the world incredible.

4529
02:35:13,359 --> 02:35:17,600
And a group of a thousand people go off

4530
02:35:15,359 --> 02:35:20,079
and they kind of jointly work on that

4531
02:35:17,600 --> 02:35:22,079
together. That I find super fascinating.

4532
02:35:20,079 --> 02:35:24,719
Like I that could be it. Like it could

4533
02:35:22,079 --> 02:35:26,000
be like, you know, a thousand physicists

4534
02:35:24,719 --> 02:35:27,199
are like, "We're going to create this

4535
02:35:26,000 --> 02:35:28,478
new interstellar form of

4536
02:35:27,200 --> 02:35:30,240
transportation." And they just go off

4537
02:35:28,478 --> 02:35:32,239
and they're just like they don't have to

4538
02:35:30,239 --> 02:35:34,159
worry about

4539
02:35:32,239 --> 02:35:36,159
existing because all of that's paid for.

4540
02:35:34,159 --> 02:35:39,359
>> Well, it also could solve all of our

4541
02:35:36,159 --> 02:35:42,318
problems that we have with like halves

4542
02:35:39,359 --> 02:35:44,559
and have nots. If we're all one, how

4543
02:35:42,318 --> 02:35:46,559
could we tolerate haveotss? How could we

4544
02:35:44,559 --> 02:35:48,159
tolerate people living on dirt floors in

4545
02:35:46,559 --> 02:35:49,760
third world countries with no access to

4546
02:35:48,159 --> 02:35:50,000
clean water? We wouldn't tolerate it

4547
02:35:49,760 --> 02:35:52,079
tolerate

4548
02:35:50,000 --> 02:35:52,959
>> because we they would be us and we would

4549
02:35:52,079 --> 02:35:53,280
understand that.

4550
02:35:52,959 --> 02:35:55,438
>> Yeah.

4551
02:35:53,280 --> 02:35:58,079
>> I mean it could be like a complete

4552
02:35:55,439 --> 02:35:59,760
gamecher in terms of human civilization.

4553
02:35:58,079 --> 02:36:01,600
It could really move people into a

4554
02:35:59,760 --> 02:36:03,840
complete next direction. I mean it could

4555
02:36:01,600 --> 02:36:06,479
eliminate crime and violence. Yeah.

4556
02:36:03,840 --> 02:36:08,559
>> Which sounds insane. Like boy that's so

4557
02:36:06,478 --> 02:36:10,478
utopian. Like oh why don't you suck on

4558
02:36:08,559 --> 02:36:13,039
some crystals you [ __ ] hippie. But

4559
02:36:10,478 --> 02:36:14,398
legitimately if look if everybody has a

4560
02:36:13,040 --> 02:36:16,560
cell phone which essentially everybody

4561
02:36:14,398 --> 02:36:18,959
does right right now in this time and

4562
02:36:16,559 --> 02:36:21,199
age. If we get to a point where

4563
02:36:18,959 --> 02:36:24,000
everybody is connected, everybody is

4564
02:36:21,200 --> 02:36:26,079
hive mind connected, you're there's

4565
02:36:24,000 --> 02:36:28,398
we're all you're not going to just be

4566
02:36:26,079 --> 02:36:28,719
able to drive by a homeless encampment,

4567
02:36:28,398 --> 02:36:31,119
>> right?

4568
02:36:28,719 --> 02:36:32,719
>> You won't you'll feel it. You'll feel

4569
02:36:31,120 --> 02:36:35,439
it. It won't be like, "Hey, you [ __ ]

4570
02:36:32,719 --> 02:36:37,840
losers. Hit the gas." It's going to be

4571
02:36:35,439 --> 02:36:39,280
like, "We need to solve this. We need to

4572
02:36:37,840 --> 02:36:41,920
get these people counseling, mental

4573
02:36:39,280 --> 02:36:44,640
health crisis, get them off the drugs,

4574
02:36:41,920 --> 02:36:46,639
whatever it is that's wrong with them."

4575
02:36:44,639 --> 02:36:48,239
>> I mean, that's an incredible idea.

4576
02:36:46,639 --> 02:36:49,760
>> Yeah. You know, like when an airplane

4577
02:36:48,239 --> 02:36:51,920
kind of like goes like this and your

4578
02:36:49,760 --> 02:36:53,200
stomach goes and you just feel it.

4579
02:36:51,920 --> 02:36:54,398
>> Could you imagine like you drive by a

4580
02:36:53,200 --> 02:36:56,000
homeless encampment and that's what you

4581
02:36:54,398 --> 02:36:56,719
feel? Like you feel like

4582
02:36:56,000 --> 02:36:59,840
>> something's wrong.

4583
02:36:56,719 --> 02:37:01,519
>> And we'll all feel it collectively. If

4584
02:36:59,840 --> 02:37:03,280
we're all connected and we all feel

4585
02:37:01,520 --> 02:37:05,439
things connectively, we will actively

4586
02:37:03,280 --> 02:37:07,520
work together to solve these problems.

4587
02:37:05,439 --> 02:37:09,840
And if we're dealing with a if if we

4588
02:37:07,520 --> 02:37:12,880
really get to a point of abundance, like

4589
02:37:09,840 --> 02:37:15,760
true abundance, where resources are not

4590
02:37:12,879 --> 02:37:18,799
an issue and no one's starving, we could

4591
02:37:15,760 --> 02:37:20,478
really fix all the problems that like

4592
02:37:18,799 --> 02:37:22,000
>> none of them are insurmountable. None of

4593
02:37:20,478 --> 02:37:24,398
them are breathing underwater, right?

4594
02:37:22,000 --> 02:37:26,398
None of them are flying to the sun. None

4595
02:37:24,398 --> 02:37:29,358
of them, right? So all of them are

4596
02:37:26,398 --> 02:37:31,599
things that could be if we took all the

4597
02:37:29,359 --> 02:37:33,040
world's resources, socialism doesn't

4598
02:37:31,600 --> 02:37:34,800
work, right? Why does it not work?

4599
02:37:33,040 --> 02:37:36,720
because it rewards lazy people and it

4600
02:37:34,799 --> 02:37:38,398
punishes ambitious people. It's not

4601
02:37:36,719 --> 02:37:40,079
doesn't doesn't work with human nature,

4602
02:37:38,398 --> 02:37:43,119
but it would work if you have [ __ ]

4603
02:37:40,079 --> 02:37:45,280
hive mind. If we all we all understand

4604
02:37:43,120 --> 02:37:46,960
what it means to put in effort. We all

4605
02:37:45,280 --> 02:37:47,920
understood what what each other are

4606
02:37:46,959 --> 02:37:48,478
feeling and thinking,

4607
02:37:47,920 --> 02:37:51,600
>> right?

4608
02:37:48,478 --> 02:37:53,358
>> And we all compiled resources and fixed

4609
02:37:51,600 --> 02:37:57,040
all of our social problems. Like

4610
02:37:53,359 --> 02:38:00,720
literally stop all wars, stop all crime,

4611
02:37:57,040 --> 02:38:03,280
stop all violence, stop all poverty.

4612
02:38:00,719 --> 02:38:04,959
Done. And then what do we do? We work

4613
02:38:03,280 --> 02:38:06,720
together to solve whatever the [ __ ] else

4614
02:38:04,959 --> 02:38:08,799
is wrong with you society.

4615
02:38:06,719 --> 02:38:10,318
>> Well, it's more like what is left over

4616
02:38:08,799 --> 02:38:12,000
that we haven't figured out.

4617
02:38:10,318 --> 02:38:13,359
>> Think about what the world was like

4618
02:38:12,000 --> 02:38:15,600
before the internet. It's almost

4619
02:38:13,359 --> 02:38:16,960
impossible to imagine, but we both grew

4620
02:38:15,600 --> 02:38:17,280
up without it.

4621
02:38:16,959 --> 02:38:19,919
>> Yeah.

4622
02:38:17,280 --> 02:38:22,319
>> And Yeah. And so we're entering into

4623
02:38:19,920 --> 02:38:24,719
this new world. Think about what world

4624
02:38:22,318 --> 02:38:26,559
was like without the hive mind, but yet

4625
02:38:24,719 --> 02:38:28,879
we all grew up without it. Like that

4626
02:38:26,559 --> 02:38:32,799
might be the next thing. The thing that

4627
02:38:28,879 --> 02:38:35,759
I remember the most about that era is I

4628
02:38:32,799 --> 02:38:36,559
had a positive sum view of everybody

4629
02:38:35,760 --> 02:38:39,680
>> really.

4630
02:38:36,559 --> 02:38:41,760
>> Meaning there weren't like the the bad

4631
02:38:39,680 --> 02:38:44,079
actors were pretty bad but yeah

4632
02:38:41,760 --> 02:38:45,600
generally like I looked up to most

4633
02:38:44,079 --> 02:38:47,200
business people like the people that I

4634
02:38:45,600 --> 02:38:49,439
now I feel like have been a little bit

4635
02:38:47,200 --> 02:38:50,240
unmasked then to me were pristine.

4636
02:38:49,439 --> 02:38:51,680
>> Oh that's interesting.

4637
02:38:50,239 --> 02:38:53,680
>> Like the Bill Gateses of the world, you

4638
02:38:51,680 --> 02:38:56,639
know. I was like man I really aspire to

4639
02:38:53,680 --> 02:38:57,520
be Bill Gates when I was like 13 or 14.

4640
02:38:56,639 --> 02:38:58,559
It just seemed like

4641
02:38:57,520 --> 02:39:00,720
>> now you're like, why is he buying all

4642
02:38:58,559 --> 02:39:03,760
the farmland? This [ __ ] weirdo.

4643
02:39:00,719 --> 02:39:07,279
>> I mean, it's a [ __ ] so funny. He uh

4644
02:39:03,760 --> 02:39:09,040
he bought this like 45,000 acres in

4645
02:39:07,280 --> 02:39:11,280
4,500 acres. I can't get the order of

4646
02:39:09,040 --> 02:39:13,680
magnet right uh in Phoenix to build his

4647
02:39:11,280 --> 02:39:14,239
own digital city.

4648
02:39:13,680 --> 02:39:14,880
>> Yeah.

4649
02:39:14,239 --> 02:39:16,559
>> Okay.

4650
02:39:14,879 --> 02:39:20,279
>> It's like weird. So, I bought the 1700

4651
02:39:16,559 --> 02:39:20,279
acres beside him.

4652
02:39:20,639 --> 02:39:22,559
>> That's hilarious.

4653
02:39:21,359 --> 02:39:25,600
>> [ __ ] you.

4654
02:39:22,559 --> 02:39:27,840
>> It's a very odd thing. It's a very odd

4655
02:39:25,600 --> 02:39:29,359
thing when people get exposed and you

4656
02:39:27,840 --> 02:39:30,639
just go like what the [ __ ] is that guy

4657
02:39:29,359 --> 02:39:33,840
really all about

4658
02:39:30,639 --> 02:39:35,599
>> and but also like how isolated is he?

4659
02:39:33,840 --> 02:39:36,000
>> Oh, he's been he's been isolated for 50

4660
02:39:35,600 --> 02:39:38,159
years,

4661
02:39:36,000 --> 02:39:39,439
>> right? Like who are his friends and how

4662
02:39:38,159 --> 02:39:41,119
how many people does he have?

4663
02:39:39,439 --> 02:39:41,520
>> Must be very hard to be him actually. I

4664
02:39:41,120 --> 02:39:42,800
I mean

4665
02:39:41,520 --> 02:39:45,040
>> especially now that he's divorced,

4666
02:39:42,799 --> 02:39:46,398
right? So now he's got no one going but

4667
02:39:45,040 --> 02:39:48,640
that speech [ __ ] sucked.

4668
02:39:46,398 --> 02:39:51,279
>> Yeah, he's I mean he has a long-term

4669
02:39:48,639 --> 02:39:54,000
partner. Um she seems like a lovely

4670
02:39:51,280 --> 02:39:54,960
woman. Um, but yeah, it's just got to be

4671
02:39:54,000 --> 02:39:56,000
super lonely.

4672
02:39:54,959 --> 02:39:58,879
>> It's got to be.

4673
02:39:56,000 --> 02:40:01,520
>> It's not I to me it's not worth that

4674
02:39:58,879 --> 02:40:03,039
level of I don't even know what is it.

4675
02:40:01,520 --> 02:40:04,239
It's like material success at least

4676
02:40:03,040 --> 02:40:06,720
measured in the outside world. I don't

4677
02:40:04,239 --> 02:40:08,639
know what it is, but it's not

4678
02:40:06,719 --> 02:40:10,000
it's a lot, man. This is like I like I

4679
02:40:08,639 --> 02:40:11,680
don't know how Elon does it. Like it's a

4680
02:40:10,000 --> 02:40:12,079
lot. It's super isolating.

4681
02:40:11,680 --> 02:40:16,880
>> Yeah.

4682
02:40:12,079 --> 02:40:17,439
>> It's it's just he's very by himself.

4683
02:40:16,879 --> 02:40:19,119
>> Mhm.

4684
02:40:17,439 --> 02:40:20,800
>> And he's going to be even more isolated

4685
02:40:19,120 --> 02:40:23,040
in a matter of a few months.

4686
02:40:20,799 --> 02:40:25,119
>> Yeah. And that's unfortunate because you

4687
02:40:23,040 --> 02:40:26,880
have very empathetic, very kind of like

4688
02:40:25,120 --> 02:40:28,079
sensitive people like that I think need

4689
02:40:26,879 --> 02:40:30,799
other people.

4690
02:40:28,079 --> 02:40:33,280
>> Well, he's got people around him, but

4691
02:40:30,799 --> 02:40:35,279
he's got very few people around him that

4692
02:40:33,280 --> 02:40:35,600
can kick reality at him.

4693
02:40:35,280 --> 02:40:37,760
>> Yeah.

4694
02:40:35,600 --> 02:40:40,000
>> You know, that that is a bit of a

4695
02:40:37,760 --> 02:40:41,840
problem, but he still seems to be having

4696
02:40:40,000 --> 02:40:43,760
fun. Every time I'm around him, we have

4697
02:40:41,840 --> 02:40:44,239
a bunch of laughs. Like, he's fun to

4698
02:40:43,760 --> 02:40:45,760
hang out.

4699
02:40:44,239 --> 02:40:49,600
>> He's got an incredible sense of humor.

4700
02:40:45,760 --> 02:40:51,920
We um Jamie and I went down uh to one of

4701
02:40:49,600 --> 02:40:52,960
the rocket launches at SpaceX. Yeah, we

4702
02:40:51,920 --> 02:40:56,000
went down there crazy

4703
02:40:52,959 --> 02:40:57,599
>> and we watched from the ground while I

4704
02:40:56,000 --> 02:40:59,359
took off, which is incredible cuz it's

4705
02:40:57,600 --> 02:41:00,399
like how far was it, Jamie? It was like

4706
02:40:59,359 --> 02:41:01,680
two miles away from us.

4707
02:41:00,398 --> 02:41:03,279
>> A mile mile and a half.

4708
02:41:01,680 --> 02:41:05,359
>> So like it's a mile and a half. You feel

4709
02:41:03,280 --> 02:41:06,880
it in your chest. Have you been when a

4710
02:41:05,359 --> 02:41:08,479
when a rocket launches? You been there,

4711
02:41:06,879 --> 02:41:09,920
dude? It's bananas. The [ __ ] thing

4712
02:41:08,478 --> 02:41:12,239
like first of all, it doesn't look that

4713
02:41:09,920 --> 02:41:14,799
far. It looks like it's like

4714
02:41:12,239 --> 02:41:15,600
>> maybe quarter mile. it. I don't I'm just

4715
02:41:14,799 --> 02:41:16,559
not good at judging.

4716
02:41:15,600 --> 02:41:20,479
>> This is a starship.

4717
02:41:16,559 --> 02:41:22,239
>> Oh yeah. So you feel it.

4718
02:41:20,478 --> 02:41:24,959
You like his kids started crying like we

4719
02:41:22,239 --> 02:41:27,119
want to go inside. Like it's disturbing

4720
02:41:24,959 --> 02:41:29,039
like the amount of energy that's coming

4721
02:41:27,120 --> 02:41:31,120
out of these [ __ ] rocket boosters.

4722
02:41:29,040 --> 02:41:33,359
And then I hung out with him in the

4723
02:41:31,120 --> 02:41:34,960
command center while the rocket was

4724
02:41:33,359 --> 02:41:37,120
flying through space and we're watching

4725
02:41:34,959 --> 02:41:39,599
it on all these monitors and then lands

4726
02:41:37,120 --> 02:41:41,600
in the water in Australia. He's cracking

4727
02:41:39,600 --> 02:41:43,840
jokes the whole time because the thing

4728
02:41:41,600 --> 02:41:45,760
is like losing pressure because it's

4729
02:41:43,840 --> 02:41:47,280
they're stress testing all the stuff

4730
02:41:45,760 --> 02:41:48,960
which is really funny when really dumb

4731
02:41:47,280 --> 02:41:51,040
people, oh he's a [ __ ] dumbass, his

4732
02:41:48,959 --> 02:41:53,119
rockets keep blowing up. Like like they

4733
02:41:51,040 --> 02:41:55,680
just don't understand like the only way

4734
02:41:53,120 --> 02:41:58,000
you find out what the capability of this

4735
02:41:55,680 --> 02:41:59,600
technology is is you have to like let it

4736
02:41:58,000 --> 02:42:01,359
blow up and then you go, "Okay, it needs

4737
02:41:59,600 --> 02:42:02,800
to be thicker. It needs to be this and

4738
02:42:01,359 --> 02:42:04,720
that and we need to add these things and

4739
02:42:02,799 --> 02:42:06,318
there's sensors everywhere." And so he's

4740
02:42:04,719 --> 02:42:07,679
cracking jokes the entire time while

4741
02:42:06,318 --> 02:42:09,760
this thing is like losing pressure. And

4742
02:42:07,680 --> 02:42:12,239
it eventually wound up landing and it

4743
02:42:09,760 --> 02:42:14,398
was fine, but it did have a hole in it.

4744
02:42:12,239 --> 02:42:15,920
But it was just like he's laughing like

4745
02:42:14,398 --> 02:42:16,799
he's having a good old time. He's not

4746
02:42:15,920 --> 02:42:19,200
freaked out. No,

4747
02:42:16,799 --> 02:42:19,840
>> you know, he he's uniquely built to

4748
02:42:19,200 --> 02:42:22,640
handle it.

4749
02:42:19,840 --> 02:42:25,280
>> I uh when there was a rocket launch in

4750
02:42:22,639 --> 02:42:28,478
Vraenberg in California and I chartered

4751
02:42:25,280 --> 02:42:30,159
a Pilates and I because you can get like

4752
02:42:28,478 --> 02:42:32,559
a little like propeller plane.

4753
02:42:30,159 --> 02:42:34,559
>> Oh, okay. And I went around and around

4754
02:42:32,559 --> 02:42:36,239
and I have this video of it kind of like

4755
02:42:34,559 --> 02:42:39,879
coming up and through cuz like

4756
02:42:36,239 --> 02:42:39,879
>> how close were you?

4757
02:42:40,559 --> 02:42:42,159
>> 100 miles.

4758
02:42:41,600 --> 02:42:43,760
>> Oh wow.

4759
02:42:42,159 --> 02:42:44,159
>> But you but it's like right there.

4760
02:42:43,760 --> 02:42:46,398
>> Uhhuh.

4761
02:42:44,159 --> 02:42:48,159
>> You know cuz the distance and it's

4762
02:42:46,398 --> 02:42:50,478
coming up and I'm kind of going around.

4763
02:42:48,159 --> 02:42:51,840
It was the craziest thing. It was cool.

4764
02:42:50,478 --> 02:42:53,119
It was super cool.

4765
02:42:51,840 --> 02:42:55,920
>> That [ __ ] is super cool.

4766
02:42:53,120 --> 02:42:58,319
>> It's very cool. It's very cool. I mean

4767
02:42:55,920 --> 02:42:59,439
just Starbase is bananas. Just when you

4768
02:42:58,318 --> 02:43:00,879
go down there and they have their own

4769
02:42:59,439 --> 02:43:02,239
town, the whole thing is straight.

4770
02:43:00,879 --> 02:43:03,679
There's [ __ ] cyber trucks everywhere.

4771
02:43:02,239 --> 02:43:04,639
I'm like, how do you find your car?

4772
02:43:03,680 --> 02:43:06,800
Like,

4773
02:43:04,639 --> 02:43:08,559
>> is it is it an incorporated town? It

4774
02:43:06,799 --> 02:43:09,279
started off as unincorporated, but it

4775
02:43:08,559 --> 02:43:11,039
own thing now.

4776
02:43:09,280 --> 02:43:12,319
>> I believe it's its own town. And

4777
02:43:11,040 --> 02:43:13,840
>> is there a mayor?

4778
02:43:12,318 --> 02:43:16,318
>> That's a good question. I think there

4779
02:43:13,840 --> 02:43:19,520
is. I think we talked about this. I

4780
02:43:16,318 --> 02:43:23,519
don't remember though. But the actual

4781
02:43:19,520 --> 02:43:25,120
factory itself is nuts cuz I Jamie and I

4782
02:43:23,520 --> 02:43:26,479
were both like, "This is way bigger than

4783
02:43:25,120 --> 02:43:27,840
I thought it was going to be." And the

4784
02:43:26,478 --> 02:43:29,760
rockets are way bigger than you thought.

4785
02:43:27,840 --> 02:43:30,318
And like the garage doors are [ __ ]

4786
02:43:29,760 --> 02:43:33,280
bananas.

4787
02:43:30,318 --> 02:43:37,199
>> They got a city government website

4788
02:43:33,280 --> 02:43:39,120
commission mayor.

4789
02:43:37,200 --> 02:43:41,600
>> That's crazy.

4790
02:43:39,120 --> 02:43:42,479
>> Bobby Bobby Peted. Bobby Peted is the

4791
02:43:41,600 --> 02:43:43,840
mayor.

4792
02:43:42,478 --> 02:43:44,159
>> They have their own little Bobby. That's

4793
02:43:43,840 --> 02:43:46,079
awesome.

4794
02:43:44,159 --> 02:43:47,279
>> Irish pub and it's like it's really

4795
02:43:46,079 --> 02:43:48,879
cool. They have really good food. you

4796
02:43:47,279 --> 02:43:50,800
know, when he uh when he opened the

4797
02:43:48,879 --> 02:43:54,079
first uh Gigafactory, which was in

4798
02:43:50,799 --> 02:43:55,759
Nevada, we had a party and uh like it

4799
02:43:54,079 --> 02:43:58,959
was like a small opening thing and so we

4800
02:43:55,760 --> 02:44:00,800
all drove in there and I have a video of

4801
02:43:58,959 --> 02:44:04,239
me in a just like a pickup truck driving

4802
02:44:00,799 --> 02:44:06,559
into the thing. I started the video and

4803
02:44:04,239 --> 02:44:08,559
I think it was 43 seconds until it

4804
02:44:06,559 --> 02:44:10,159
ended. And this is like, you know, a

4805
02:44:08,559 --> 02:44:12,719
decade ago and I thought to myself, this

4806
02:44:10,159 --> 02:44:14,719
is implausible. Like I've never even

4807
02:44:12,719 --> 02:44:16,639
contemplated things that could be built

4808
02:44:14,719 --> 02:44:17,920
this big. I didn't think it was allowed.

4809
02:44:16,639 --> 02:44:19,199
I don't even know how something like

4810
02:44:17,920 --> 02:44:21,760
this works.

4811
02:44:19,200 --> 02:44:23,120
>> And I was like, how does how do you

4812
02:44:21,760 --> 02:44:24,239
envision this whole thing works? Like

4813
02:44:23,120 --> 02:44:27,040
simple.

4814
02:44:24,239 --> 02:44:29,920
>> Raw materials in the front, cars out the

4815
02:44:27,040 --> 02:44:32,479
back.

4816
02:44:29,920 --> 02:44:33,279
I'm like, that's it. It sounds so

4817
02:44:32,478 --> 02:44:35,358
simple.

4818
02:44:33,279 --> 02:44:36,800
>> Well, he thinks big.

4819
02:44:35,359 --> 02:44:38,880
>> He thinks big. And thank God he's

4820
02:44:36,799 --> 02:44:41,199
around. I mean, if he wasn't around, if

4821
02:44:38,879 --> 02:44:42,719
he hadn't purchased Twitter, I think our

4822
02:44:41,200 --> 02:44:43,279
entire civilization would look very

4823
02:44:42,719 --> 02:44:44,000
different.

4824
02:44:43,279 --> 02:44:45,600
>> Very different.

4825
02:44:44,000 --> 02:44:46,879
>> It would. I mean, that sounds like a

4826
02:44:45,600 --> 02:44:48,079
very grandiose thing to say.

4827
02:44:46,879 --> 02:44:50,000
>> Sounds hyperbolic, but you're right.

4828
02:44:48,079 --> 02:44:52,799
>> I think it's true because I don't I

4829
02:44:50,000 --> 02:44:55,120
think free speech is a core component of

4830
02:44:52,799 --> 02:44:56,398
our civilization, and I don't really

4831
02:44:55,120 --> 02:44:58,479
think we had it.

4832
02:44:56,398 --> 02:45:00,639
>> I think it was curated, and it was very

4833
02:44:58,478 --> 02:45:01,920
tightly controlled by the actual federal

4834
02:45:00,639 --> 02:45:05,199
government, which is spooky.

4835
02:45:01,920 --> 02:45:06,478
>> No, no. It decided what we should be

4836
02:45:05,200 --> 02:45:08,079
paying attention to. Yes.

4837
02:45:06,478 --> 02:45:09,438
>> Just just put it very simply without

4838
02:45:08,079 --> 02:45:10,959
kind of like

4839
02:45:09,439 --> 02:45:13,279
>> And that's not right.

4840
02:45:10,959 --> 02:45:16,000
>> Right. Because when they're telling you

4841
02:45:13,279 --> 02:45:19,359
to pay attention to this and the actual

4842
02:45:16,000 --> 02:45:21,200
issue is this and you cannot, then you

4843
02:45:19,359 --> 02:45:21,600
can't fix what's actually broken,

4844
02:45:21,200 --> 02:45:23,680
>> right?

4845
02:45:21,600 --> 02:45:26,079
>> And you start to we start to basically

4846
02:45:23,680 --> 02:45:27,920
be like we're we're part of just a a

4847
02:45:26,079 --> 02:45:28,318
useful idiot for these people.

4848
02:45:27,920 --> 02:45:29,359
>> Yes.

4849
02:45:28,318 --> 02:45:31,119
>> And that's not right.

4850
02:45:29,359 --> 02:45:32,720
>> It's not right.

4851
02:45:31,120 --> 02:45:33,920
>> Listen, man. This was a lot of fun. It's

4852
02:45:32,719 --> 02:45:35,358
always great to talk to you. Thank you

4853
02:45:33,920 --> 02:45:38,799
very much for doing this. It was very

4854
02:45:35,359 --> 02:45:40,239
cool. Um let's do it again sometime. All

4855
02:45:38,799 --> 02:45:42,799
right. Thank you. All right. Bye,

4856
02:45:40,239 --> 02:45:42,799
everybody.