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>> That's wild. I went in [music] cuz I

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came in from I am I think I was living

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at the time and I went in and uh and uh

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I'm sitting in the waiting room and it

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was like on a Sunday because it was I

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was like I'm only in town for and Stan

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was like I'll come into the office. I'm

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like thank you so much. I had to have

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some a filling or whatever I

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[clears throat] needed. It's a kind of

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an emergency. So, I'm sitting in the

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thing and uh and I'm not getting called

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in, but the the the lad just No, no,

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there's not even a receptionist. And

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Stan comes out with his mask on. No, the

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first thing I hear is PIG

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PIG [laughter] AND

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I'm like, what is happening in there?

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It's in the other room. And Stan comes

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in with his mask on. He goes, he goes,

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sorry. He goes, I'll be with you soon.

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He goes, I got Hunter in the chair. And

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he goes [laughter] back and I hear

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listen to to Hunter Thompson swear for

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like 15 minutes. I'm like, "This is

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amazing." And then Stan goes, "Okay,

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come on back." And Hunter's kind of

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getting out and he goes, "Oh, you're

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sitting down with this guy. He's a

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assassin." [laughter]

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And then he goes and he's got this jug

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of clear uh of clear fluid and he's

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like, "You're going to need a sip of

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this." And I'm like, "Oh my god, this is

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Hunter S. Thompson's moonshot."

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[laughter] I'm like, "This is ethyl

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alcohol." Like this is amazing.

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I'm talking to this dude for 30 seconds

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and I'm getting a sip and like

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[laughter] and it was like 10:00 in the

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morning on a Sunday.

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>> Yeah.

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>> He was halfway through the drug

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>> in Beverly Hills? [laughter] Yeah. Yeah.

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>> Yeah. Brentwood. Yeah. Brentwood was

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stand office. Yeah.

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>> Oh my god. That's amazing. It was it

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really was amaz It was it was and I so I

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had probably a total of seven minutes,

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you know, with him and it was like I I I

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it could I could not have been a better

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>> That's incredible. I went to the Woody

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Creek Tavern just to go there cuz I know

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he used to go there and like you could

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like feel him in the building. You know,

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there's all the pictures in the walls.

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>> I mean those books Hell's Angels

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and and you know, Fear and Loathing is

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some of the best writing. I I just

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like he really had his own

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voice. Rum Diary was spectacular, you

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know? It was like really descriptive and

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up. And he also just lived that

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>> Fear and Loathing changed my life. Like

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reading that book was like, "What the

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fuck?" Like, "What is this guy doing?

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Grown men out there balding grown men

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[laughter] lounge. Like, you guys are

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loosening." And he's got a day trip bag

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filled with acid. Like, what the

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adventure with him, you know?

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to watch the the evolution of his

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restrained and it was quite like for

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that I think it was edgy sort of for the

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time, you know, like oh you're going to

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>> He did find [laughter] he was supposed

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>> That's where Fear and Loathing came

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>> Great. It's great, Hunter.

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>> We'll take it.

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>> Well, hey, it's very nice to meet you

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guys. I've met you before, but very nice

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to meet, man. Thank you very much. I

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love the movie. The rip is

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great. It's really good. It's so

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original and it's so it's so different

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and it's, you know, it's like I love

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those kind of movies, but it's not like

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any one that I've ever seen before.

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>> Thanks, dude. Thank you.

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>> It was awesome. so [clears throat] much

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better than you hating it and having

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the interviews where they're like, "So,

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I saw the movie anyway. How you guys

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>> We've had we've had a lot of those the

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junk the press junkets where they come

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in and the first thing that you know the

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movie sucks if if they don't ask you

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anything about the movie, they come in,

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they go, "So, how you been?"

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>> You know, and you're like, "Oh

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this is going to be bad."

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>> Is it weird like the the transformation

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of the film industry seems to like a lot

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of it is moving towards these big

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streaming movies now?

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where most people have gone to watch

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them, right? Like,

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movies in the 40s. Like, every American

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went to the movie every week basically.

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the cows walk by. You know, that was the

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only and then TV comes around. It's

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little and you see these little cals.

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thing because you got 300 million people

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330 whatever it is watching you know

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people to go into the movies. There's

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get them excited about a movie. Yeah.

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movies.

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>> Um there's just no question about it.

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that you were going to go and usually

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not get into one cuz there were too many

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people and then you just see what else

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slipping away because so many people

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down and no one was going to the movie

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theater and then it just set it.

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out like right when CO hit. I really

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like the movie performance movie. It's

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an alcoholic guy whose kid guys kid dies

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and becomes an alcoholic. It's dark

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movie but I I loved it and I could tell

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like we're No one's going to go

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to see the theater, see this movie. And

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really blew up, you know, of course

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during co. So, you know, look, they

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rushed it onto streaming. People

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actually saw it. I was like, look, all

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things being equal, I'd like people to

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see it, you know, and it's not like my

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dad had an 11in black and white TV and

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that's what was TV viewing now. It's

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like $200, you got a 65 in flat

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screen like and good sound. So, of

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streamers also started making great

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shows. You have adolescence. I don't

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know if you saw. I think that's one of

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the best things ever done.

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>> Oh my god. It's a It's a It's I I don't

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want to spoil too much of it. It's only

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four episodes.

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>> They're all one shot.

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>> They're all one shot. Each episode is

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one entire shot.

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>> So, the cast they took, I think, I

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talked to the director about it. The

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cast took I think a week to rehearse

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each one and then a week to shoot it.

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choreograph the entire thing. Yeah.

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>> And then the acting is great.

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>> But that's that I mean just dismiss that

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even you could even call it a gimmick.

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It's not in this case. But um the

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performances and the writing and what

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it's about it's it's as good as anything

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you'll see. It's it's phenomenal.

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>> What is it on?

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>> Netflix.

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>> Netflix. Yeah.

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>> You know, you have like it's not this is

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not even an anomaly. There's Baby

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Rangers. There's Succession.

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There's Game of Thrones, Ozarks. You

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know, it's just like, okay, well,

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they're doing great out there. It's

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not like the sort of implied thing

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before was like, yeah, well, TV's not as

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good. We're not as interesting. It's a

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>> When we started, it was a there was a

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different I I mean, like George Clooney,

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for instance, like there was a big

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thing, you know, he very famously, you

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know, became this superstar on ER. That

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show, 40 million people a week were

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watching that show. It was the biggest

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thing, right? Because [snorts] there

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were only a few channels to tune into,

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and that show was the biggest one. and

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and George never renegotiated his

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contract. He wanted to work in movies

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and it was like you can't go from TV to

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movie. It's very hard. Very few people

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>> and he really strategically and kind of

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patiently like he joked that on the last

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episode he was on Anthony Edwards, you

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know, his co-star was making a million

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bucks for the episode and he was making,

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you know, 20 grand or whatever his deal

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was. Like he could have renegotiated but

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he would have had to give more years.

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>> That's how bad he wanted to get off TV

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and do movies. That's how bad he wanted

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to get off of the biggest TV show in the

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world. Um because the there was such a

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big kind of level change between

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>> Well, it was a giant difference in

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quality. It was also this the breaking

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it up for commercials, right?

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>> It was just a different experience.

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>> It couldn't be, you know, there was all

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these rules like you can't say this, you

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can't do that, you can't swear of

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violence and n all the things people

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want to see in movies, you know, and

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>> and also it wasn't it wasn't as

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interesting. And then now that's like

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tethered to these schedules and all this

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stuff or you get this like you

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don't have a schedule and and you can

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take a bunch of risks. So and that

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of like well this all is just as good if

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not better than what's in the movies and

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>> well then movies started to move towards

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more IP and

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>> because it was hard to get people come

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to the movies. everyone got scared and

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thought, well, you have it there has to

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be a sequel or a superhero movie.

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>> And so an interesting little movie kind

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of in the '9s when we kind of came onto

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the scene, you know, there were a lot of

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really good independent movies that were

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being made. There was there was, you

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know, it was a really great time to be

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making movie. People were they were

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making daring movies and and and then

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everyone just got way more conservative

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because it's huge. Like the business is

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so different theatrically and streaming

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because to put out a movie theatrically,

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you have to put so much more money

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behind it to publicize. Like you're

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trying to get everybody

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>> spending about what the budget was to

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make it to advertise it because you got

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50% of the theatrical.

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>> Yeah. Because you split it with the the

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the movie house, right? The exhibit.

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>> So $25 million movie to break in. You

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got to make $100 million. And so and and

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you got to get everybody to not only

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know about the movie but to show up like

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that Friday night like that specific

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time, you know, for that specific movie.

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And so did and to cut through all the

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noise that you people are contending

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with. And you know,

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>> so it just becomes about risk and nobody

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wants to take the risk. So they don't

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want to make something new because it's

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such an investment. We're going to lose

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all our money. And the streamers

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stepped into that and like no, you know,

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you didn't have to necessarily have a

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star. You could try something more

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interesting or didn't have to be a

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superhero movie, whatever it was. And

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also, I think it's like, you know,

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frankly, like people my age, like it's

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first of all, it's expensive, right? You

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take your whole family, it's $100.

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You're on a streaming service, $20 a

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month. You can watch all you want. So,

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you can't be cavalier about like you're

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just going to price it however the

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you want and expect everyone to like be

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indifferent to that. And then, you know,

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also,

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you know, the idea of like for me, you

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know, there's a lot of stuff I make that

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decision like, do I want to see the

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Odyssey on on a big screen? def.

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I went to a theater to just watch the

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trailer for that movie and you know did

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I at one battle after another I wanted

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to go see in the theater but there's

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movies with people that I really like

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and respect where yeah and I got a good

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system and but I'm like look I'll

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watch and I might get tired or I won't

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pause it and take a piss or the kids you

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know whatever it is

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>> that's conducive to my lifestyle you

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know and so and most I see few I think

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most people are yeah

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>> but there is the experience of seeing it

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with a bunch of other people see an

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awesome movie with a bunch of other

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people it's like a shared experience

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>> 100% I I always like

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way more attent like like when I went to

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see one battle on IMAX like you know

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that feeling there's nothing like that

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feeling I took you know two of my kids

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and two of my nephews and my wife and we

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all went and it was just it was like and

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you're in with you know a bunch of

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strangers but people in your community

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and you're having this experience

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together. I always say it's more like

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going to going to church like you show

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up at an appointed time you you know

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what I mean? doesn't,

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you know, the the experience of watching

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at home. I think,

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>> you know, you're watching in a room, the

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lights are on, other shit's going on,

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the kids are running around, the dogs

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are running around, whatever it is. You

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know what I mean? It's just a very

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different level of attention that you're

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willing to or that you're able to give

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to it. And that has a big effect. And it

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also ends up having an effect or is

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starting to have an effect on how you

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make movies. Like for instance, Netflix

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um you know standard way to make an

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action movie that we learned was you

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know you usually have like three set

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pieces. One in the first act, one in the

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second, one in the third and you know

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you kind they kind of ramp up and the

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big one with all the explosions and you

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spend most of your money on that one in

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the third act. That's your kind of

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finale. Um and now they're, you know,

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they're like can we get a big one in the

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first five minutes to get somebody, you

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know, we want people to stay

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>> Yeah. tuned in and and can and you know

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it wouldn't be terrible if you

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reiterated the plot three or four times

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in the dialogue because people are on

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their phones while they're watching.

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[laughter]

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You know what I mean?

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>> And so then it's going to really start

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to infringe on how we're telling

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>> but then you look at adolescence who

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didn't do any of that. It

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>> didn't do any of that great. You

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know what I mean? So I think it's and

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it's dark too. It's tragic and intense.

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this like guy who's finds out these kids

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accused of murder and it's like you know

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and and there's long shots in the back

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of their head. They get in the car,

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nobody says anything. I think there are

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those look the these were feels more

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like the exception. It's so masterfully

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[snorts] made that it feels a little

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more like the except I hope it's not. My

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feeling is just that it demonstrates

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that you don't need to do any of that

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to get people, you know what I

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mean? Like,

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>> and I think, you know, yes, you know,

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like, look, hey, the town had the action

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thing in the beginning, the first five

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minutes cuz, you know what I mean? Like,

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it's a it's a common trick that you

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would go like, let me grab them and get

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him invested in the it's like the movies

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that start with the hero hanging from

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the cliff and now we're going to flash

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back to the beginning and tell you how

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they got there. Um it's it you know I

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always feel like uh you know complaining

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about it makes me feel like one of these

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guys was like when I was a boy like you

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always want to freeze the culture at the

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time when you I don't know felt more

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like you know we used to have these

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phones the are all these phone and

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everybody's looking at their I get it

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yes it's true also it's like supply and

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demand people want to look at their

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phone they can look at TikTok they want

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you know they're going to do that I

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think what you can do is make the

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best you can make it really good and you

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know people can still go to the movies

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it's not I think we have this idea of

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that's like an existential threat.

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Everything that comes along is going to

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destroy everything instead of like

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>> what history suggests is that there's

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like marginal encroachments. Things

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shift. Yep. As television came along,

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there was less theater going and that's

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still going to happen. And people are

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still going to go to the movies because

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of what you said. Like it feels like a

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cool thing to do. I'm going to go see

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The Odyssey. I guarantee you in a

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theater, you know, no matter what fewer

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of them, you could argue that's because

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I have more choice or whatever it is.

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It's hard to fight supply and demand.

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That's the trick, right? If people want

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to watch a bunch of stuff at home

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because they invested in TVs and cost us

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money, they will. So, okay. But the

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upside of that is like I can try to do

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something hopefully that's like that

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actually doesn't need to, you know, have

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the most urgency to get you to come to

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the theater with your family. That's a

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little more experimental or risk-taking

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or whatever in that way.

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>> Well, you got to adapt. I mean, there's

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no way you're going to change people's

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viewing habits now. Yeah. I mean, what

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percentage of Netflix is actually

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watched on phones has got to be pretty

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high, which is insane.

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>> Yeah.

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>> Even watching on a laptop for me is kind

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of like kind of sucks. You know,

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>> it sucks.

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>> That's a joke that I [clears throat]

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like to make with every director I work

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with. Like when they're really puzzling

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over a shot or really grinding out

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something, I go, you know, it's not

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going to look as good on the phone when

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[laughter]

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they just everyone gets angry.

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>> Takes the weight out of their

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sales, you [laughter] know? No, that's

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going to look great this bigs.

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But keep around and lighting

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that wall.

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>> It is weird though the the concern for

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the algorithm like making sure that

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people watch like look we've got data

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that shows within the first five minutes

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when this happens they tune out. So

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let's like my buddy Tony Hinchcliffe you

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know he's got Kill Tony and now it's on

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Netflix and so they're giving him notes

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now and they can give him like but

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they're not telling him what to do but

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they're saying like this is when people

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are tuning out and so let's you know

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just so you have that data now decide

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how you want to edit things. It's like,

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>> yeah, it is because because the

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>> it's like the the bar for for

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walking out of a movie theater is a lot

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higher than from just changing the

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channel. Right.

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>> Right. And often times, you know, you

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directors will want to make a movie that

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is challenging and upsetting. And I

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remember Terry Kenny, my my friend,

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great actor, and he he told me about the

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experience of seeing Taxi Driver in New

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York for the first time, right, in 76 or

530
00:15:51,440 --> 00:15:56,240
whenever it came out. And he said, "What

531
00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:58,399
I remember is not only the movie, but I

532
00:15:56,240 --> 00:16:00,639
remember standing at the back because I

533
00:15:58,399 --> 00:16:02,399
had got up. I got up out of my seat and

534
00:16:00,639 --> 00:16:04,159
I went, but I couldn't bring myself to

535
00:16:02,399 --> 00:16:06,078
leave because I was so invested, but I

536
00:16:04,159 --> 00:16:07,600
was so he was standing at the back by

537
00:16:06,078 --> 00:16:09,039
the door watching the movie." And he

538
00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:10,879
goes, "And there were two other people

539
00:16:09,039 --> 00:16:11,759
standing next to me who were doing the

540
00:16:10,879 --> 00:16:12,879
same thing

541
00:16:11,759 --> 00:16:14,560
>> just cuz they were disturbed

542
00:16:12,879 --> 00:16:15,439
>> because the movie was disturbing them so

543
00:16:14,559 --> 00:16:17,518
much." Wow.

544
00:16:15,440 --> 00:16:19,680
>> Which is not a bad thing, right? So had

545
00:16:17,519 --> 00:16:20,720
that been on on Netflix or Amazon, you

546
00:16:19,679 --> 00:16:22,000
know, if somebody say, "Oh, I'm

547
00:16:20,720 --> 00:16:22,959
disturbed." And they turn and they

548
00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:23,519
change the channel.

549
00:16:22,958 --> 00:16:24,719
>> Yeah.

550
00:16:23,519 --> 00:16:25,839
>> Like that doesn't mean you shouldn't

551
00:16:24,720 --> 00:16:27,600
make Taxi Driver,

552
00:16:25,839 --> 00:16:30,079
>> right? That's true. Like the investment

553
00:16:27,600 --> 00:16:31,360
of going to a place is much greater.

554
00:16:30,078 --> 00:16:32,958
>> Yeah. And one of the values of that is

555
00:16:31,360 --> 00:16:35,120
that you could you look at movies from

556
00:16:32,958 --> 00:16:36,479
the 70s, the first act was 25, 30

557
00:16:35,120 --> 00:16:38,959
minutes, right? You know, the verdict

558
00:16:36,480 --> 00:16:39,360
for a great movie takes a long time to

559
00:16:38,958 --> 00:16:41,518
get

560
00:16:39,360 --> 00:16:42,879
>> the deer hunter. Yeah. I mean, that's

561
00:16:41,519 --> 00:16:44,639
>> and and you're right, like what you're

562
00:16:42,879 --> 00:16:46,399
saying, the threshold for walk out is

563
00:16:44,639 --> 00:16:48,000
really like any scene like, ah, I want

564
00:16:46,399 --> 00:16:50,078
to watch Naked Alone, like whatever, you

565
00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:52,958
know, you flip the So, you're

566
00:16:50,078 --> 00:16:55,039
you are battling that. And you know,

567
00:16:52,958 --> 00:16:57,278
>> I watched Lemon's the other night, Steve

568
00:16:55,039 --> 00:16:59,198
McQueen, and there's no one talks for

569
00:16:57,278 --> 00:17:00,958
like five minutes. There's no talking.

570
00:16:59,198 --> 00:17:02,639
It's just a bunch of stuff getting done,

571
00:17:00,958 --> 00:17:04,639
just a bunch of people doing things. And

572
00:17:02,639 --> 00:17:06,640
it's like, wow, you could make a diff.

573
00:17:04,640 --> 00:17:06,880
You could let it air out back then.

574
00:17:06,640 --> 00:17:09,360
Yeah.

575
00:17:06,880 --> 00:17:11,360
>> It was they had a different respect for

576
00:17:09,359 --> 00:17:13,038
what it was. Like you were telling a

577
00:17:11,359 --> 00:17:13,359
story and you're going to let it air

578
00:17:13,038 --> 00:17:14,640
out.

579
00:17:13,359 --> 00:17:16,399
>> Well, they also knew where their

580
00:17:14,640 --> 00:17:17,038
audience was. They were in a theater

581
00:17:16,400 --> 00:17:18,000
that they

582
00:17:17,038 --> 00:17:19,359
>> part of it was they wanted to come

583
00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:20,806
there. I mean, this great story I like

584
00:17:19,359 --> 00:17:23,038
is the first time they they

585
00:17:20,806 --> 00:17:25,120
[clears throat] debuted a movie guys

586
00:17:23,038 --> 00:17:27,919
with a with a projector in a room full

587
00:17:25,119 --> 00:17:30,000
of people. It was a it was a movie of a

588
00:17:27,919 --> 00:17:30,960
train pulling into the station. So they

589
00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:32,880
put the reel up and they did the

590
00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:34,160
demonstration and they showed the people

591
00:17:32,880 --> 00:17:35,200
and everybody missed it because they

592
00:17:34,160 --> 00:17:36,798
were turned around staring at the

593
00:17:35,200 --> 00:17:38,640
projector. They never [laughter]

594
00:17:36,798 --> 00:17:40,960
seen anything like that, you know? So

595
00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:42,799
it's like the techn is upstaging but

596
00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:43,840
like you come for an event, come for a

597
00:17:42,798 --> 00:17:45,679
thing, we're all going to be here.

598
00:17:43,839 --> 00:17:47,918
That's part of it.

599
00:17:45,679 --> 00:17:49,679
>> It's um I don't know. There's competing

600
00:17:47,919 --> 00:17:50,960
arguments. So you can think, well, what

601
00:17:49,679 --> 00:17:52,480
do you get to do? And some people just

602
00:17:50,960 --> 00:17:54,319
go ahead and it. Like Jim Cameron's

603
00:17:52,480 --> 00:17:56,079
Avatar, I'm going to make my three-hour

604
00:17:54,319 --> 00:17:57,279
movie and people are going to come and

605
00:17:56,079 --> 00:17:58,399
great. You know what I And people say,

606
00:17:57,279 --> 00:18:00,160
"Oh, well, you can't have a three-hour

607
00:17:58,400 --> 00:18:01,600
movie." And he's like, "Well, I'm Jim

608
00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:03,679
Cameron and I've actually got the number

609
00:18:01,599 --> 00:18:05,279
one and two and, you know, movies. I I

610
00:18:03,679 --> 00:18:07,038
think I got this." He goes ahead and

611
00:18:05,279 --> 00:18:08,639
does it. You know, this history is full

612
00:18:07,038 --> 00:18:09,679
of people who got told a bunch of

613
00:18:08,640 --> 00:18:11,120
conventional wisdom and we're like,

614
00:18:09,679 --> 00:18:13,600
"Yeah, but we're going to do something

615
00:18:11,119 --> 00:18:15,119
different." And it, as it turns out,

616
00:18:13,599 --> 00:18:16,639
>> like that's actually what people want,

617
00:18:15,119 --> 00:18:18,239
too, is not for you to just repeat the

618
00:18:16,640 --> 00:18:19,600
other that's been done before and

619
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that worked before.

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One of the things I read that I thought

641
00:19:11,919 --> 00:19:16,559
was really cool is you guys set

642
00:19:13,759 --> 00:19:20,480
it up so that if this film performs

643
00:19:16,558 --> 00:19:20,798
well, the entire crew gets bonuses.

644
00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:22,319
Yeah,

645
00:19:20,798 --> 00:19:24,603
>> that's awesome.

646
00:19:22,319 --> 00:19:25,519
>> Yeah, hopefully it's successful.

647
00:19:24,603 --> 00:19:26,798
[laughter]

648
00:19:25,519 --> 00:19:28,960
>> I think you're going to get a house

649
00:19:26,798 --> 00:19:29,519
if it doesn't great movie, man. It's a

650
00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:31,200
fun movie,

651
00:19:29,519 --> 00:19:33,440
>> but it's it's it's good, but it's not

652
00:19:31,200 --> 00:19:34,798
like, you know, we're saints or

653
00:19:33,440 --> 00:19:37,038
philanthropists. Like, it's completely

654
00:19:34,798 --> 00:19:39,359
self- serving in my opinion because in

655
00:19:37,038 --> 00:19:40,960
order to do the job well, everybody

656
00:19:39,359 --> 00:19:42,558
who's working on it has to be really

657
00:19:40,960 --> 00:19:44,798
invested and give a about the

658
00:19:42,558 --> 00:19:46,240
result, not their paycheck only. And

659
00:19:44,798 --> 00:19:48,400
sometimes you worry the crew that just

660
00:19:46,240 --> 00:19:49,839
happen to be great anyway even though

661
00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:52,480
they don't really have to care about it

662
00:19:49,839 --> 00:19:54,399
and they do. And what we saw was like

663
00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:55,599
that makes your movie better. And then

664
00:19:54,400 --> 00:19:57,120
there's just the thing of like the

665
00:19:55,599 --> 00:19:59,199
business is changing. You see these

666
00:19:57,119 --> 00:20:01,839
strikes and work stop all these

667
00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:04,880
questions in order for this I think to

668
00:20:01,839 --> 00:20:07,678
to survive and to be you know a good

669
00:20:04,880 --> 00:20:10,960
middle class art artist you know

670
00:20:07,679 --> 00:20:12,720
artisal craftsman job. We got 1,200

671
00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:14,960
people that, you know, need to have

672
00:20:12,720 --> 00:20:16,880
reliable jobs. And part of the

673
00:20:14,960 --> 00:20:18,558
negotiations is always like, yeah, yeah,

674
00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:20,080
yeah, but we're all going to get

675
00:20:18,558 --> 00:20:21,279
Like, we have no participation. Like,

676
00:20:20,079 --> 00:20:23,599
used to working on movies, and it

677
00:20:21,279 --> 00:20:25,119
happens to actors, too, where you go,

678
00:20:23,599 --> 00:20:26,719
oh, we all invested. It was really hard

679
00:20:25,119 --> 00:20:29,038
and we put in the extra effort.

680
00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:30,319
Somebody else walked away with all the

681
00:20:29,038 --> 00:20:32,400
success

682
00:20:30,319 --> 00:20:34,158
>> and you, you know, my theory was was

683
00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:35,919
with Matt was we were like, how about

684
00:20:34,159 --> 00:20:37,520
where let's say, okay, it's just

685
00:20:35,919 --> 00:20:39,759
fairness, right? this thing actually

686
00:20:37,519 --> 00:20:41,679
blows up and does really well, you

687
00:20:39,759 --> 00:20:43,359
should benefit from that. People have

688
00:20:41,679 --> 00:20:45,280
been, you know, kind of given sort of

689
00:20:43,359 --> 00:20:47,359
promises of of participation back and

690
00:20:45,279 --> 00:20:48,879
that haven't come true. This is like the

691
00:20:47,359 --> 00:20:50,959
crew. Everyone got their rates, everyone

692
00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:52,640
got their hourly, no one cut anything.

693
00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:54,798
This is just an exercise and actually

694
00:20:52,640 --> 00:20:57,038
proving that it's not that if

695
00:20:54,798 --> 00:20:58,639
there's success, you'll get some extra

696
00:20:57,038 --> 00:20:59,679
little success, a little extra, a little

697
00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:00,960
more, a little more.

698
00:20:59,679 --> 00:21:02,240
>> But also, like you said, because it's

699
00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:05,038
fair, you know, and and [clears throat]

700
00:21:02,240 --> 00:21:07,038
and in success, the people who made the

701
00:21:05,038 --> 00:21:09,359
movie should you know, should

702
00:21:07,038 --> 00:21:10,960
participate in that. And and also with

703
00:21:09,359 --> 00:21:12,319
this one, which was important to us,

704
00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:13,759
there's, you know, they they delineate

705
00:21:12,319 --> 00:21:15,439
above the line and below the line,

706
00:21:13,759 --> 00:21:18,158
right? Like above the line being like

707
00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:20,159
us, the director and the producers,

708
00:21:18,159 --> 00:21:22,320
>> um, and below the line being kind of the

709
00:21:20,159 --> 00:21:23,120
more bluecollar side of our industry and

710
00:21:22,319 --> 00:21:25,200
and

711
00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:26,719
>> like painters, grainsmen, camera,

712
00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:29,440
everybody else, drivers,

713
00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:31,038
>> and so we just wanted we we and believe

714
00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:33,038
like when we started this company, we

715
00:21:31,038 --> 00:21:35,359
were like, look, you know, we know who

716
00:21:33,038 --> 00:21:37,279
makes our movie better, right? It's not

717
00:21:35,359 --> 00:21:39,038
it's it's like they've this has kind of

718
00:21:37,279 --> 00:21:40,879
been mispriced the whole time. Like the

719
00:21:39,038 --> 00:21:42,558
economics have been wrong. Like when

720
00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:44,320
there's a when there's a big success,

721
00:21:42,558 --> 00:21:45,599
everybody who had a hand on it

722
00:21:44,319 --> 00:21:47,200
>> because you see a great director that

723
00:21:45,599 --> 00:21:48,639
people rely on or an actor that's

724
00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:50,080
considered bankable, they're all going,

725
00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:51,520
"Okay, I need all my people with."

726
00:21:50,079 --> 00:21:52,558
>> Yeah. Every great director I've worked

727
00:21:51,519 --> 00:21:54,639
with, and I've worked with a lot of

728
00:21:52,558 --> 00:21:57,038
them, they have their regular crew

729
00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:58,799
members that they that are ride or die

730
00:21:57,038 --> 00:22:00,079
with these people because I mean, and

731
00:21:58,798 --> 00:22:01,519
you said it to me when we were starting

732
00:22:00,079 --> 00:22:03,279
the company, you were like,

733
00:22:01,519 --> 00:22:05,119
>> you know, those department heads, you

734
00:22:03,279 --> 00:22:06,558
know, who are each handling like, you

735
00:22:05,119 --> 00:22:07,678
know, cinemat, you know, your camera

736
00:22:06,558 --> 00:22:09,038
department, you know, your grip

737
00:22:07,679 --> 00:22:12,798
department, your electric, like all

738
00:22:09,038 --> 00:22:14,240
these this those people are

739
00:22:12,798 --> 00:22:16,400
ultimately the people who make the movie

740
00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:17,599
good. Like they make a demonstrable

741
00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:18,640
difference in how good your movie is.

742
00:22:17,599 --> 00:22:21,038
And imagine once [clears throat] you get

743
00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:22,720
a good flow with a great crew, like you

744
00:22:21,038 --> 00:22:24,000
got the band. Yeah. Like there's no need

745
00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:24,960
to bring in new band members. Let's

746
00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:27,038
let's do this again.

747
00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:29,038
>> Yeah. And because then and then like you

748
00:22:27,038 --> 00:22:30,558
have the situation where they all are

749
00:22:29,038 --> 00:22:32,720
filmmakers too. Everybody knows what

750
00:22:30,558 --> 00:22:34,480
we're trying to do. So like then what

751
00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:35,360
makes it, you know, you're trying to get

752
00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:37,038
something special, something

753
00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:39,199
interesting, something magical

754
00:22:37,038 --> 00:22:40,640
in some moment. You have to like if

755
00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:42,480
people are tight or they've been out of

756
00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:43,759
shape or, you know, up the

757
00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:45,679
environment, people aren't relaxed,

758
00:22:43,759 --> 00:22:47,119
actors can't do their best work. And

759
00:22:45,679 --> 00:22:49,840
that does make a difference between

760
00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:52,000
something that's good, average, great,

761
00:22:49,839 --> 00:22:54,558
whatever. And I think that if you say

762
00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:56,240
like, you know, it makes cognitive sense

763
00:22:54,558 --> 00:22:58,319
to people, but if you look around like

764
00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:59,919
what's Colin Anderson, camera operator,

765
00:22:58,319 --> 00:23:01,359
right? Not the cinematographer,

766
00:22:59,919 --> 00:23:02,640
>> but I would tell you he's the I think

767
00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:04,079
he's the greatest camera operator there

768
00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:06,080
is in Hollywood. If you want evidence

769
00:23:04,079 --> 00:23:07,599
that he shot Marty Supreme, he was a

770
00:23:06,079 --> 00:23:09,439
camera opera in one battle after

771
00:23:07,599 --> 00:23:11,119
another. You know, he's you look at his

772
00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:13,120
resume and you're like, "Oh, that's

773
00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:14,639
interesting. These are all great

774
00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:16,000
movies." Now, is he personally

775
00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:18,080
responsible for all of it? No, because

776
00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:19,440
it's a collaborative medium. There is no

777
00:23:18,079 --> 00:23:20,720
like you can be a painter and paint by

778
00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:23,919
yourself. You can be a novelist and do

779
00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:25,919
that, sing, write music. You can't do

780
00:23:23,919 --> 00:23:28,080
this job alone. Like there are a lot of

781
00:23:25,919 --> 00:23:29,919
people that go into it. You know, even

782
00:23:28,079 --> 00:23:32,000
my real like Matt was the lead in the

783
00:23:29,919 --> 00:23:35,360
last movie I did air that I directed.

784
00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:38,558
Having somebody so good in your

785
00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:40,479
movie who also shows up, does his job,

786
00:23:38,558 --> 00:23:42,639
is friendly, isn't around or

787
00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:45,120
playing games or being weird like that

788
00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:48,000
sets this tone. Everybody else kind of

789
00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:49,839
goes, "Okay, what's Damon like?" Oh, I

790
00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:51,279
see this. We're taking it seriously, but

791
00:23:49,839 --> 00:23:52,399
nobody's going to be a dick. We're all

792
00:23:51,279 --> 00:23:54,240
going to do our job. We're not going to

793
00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:56,480
take ourselves too seriously, but we're

794
00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:58,240
gonna take the job really seriously.

795
00:23:56,480 --> 00:24:00,798
Immediately, everybody kind of snaps

796
00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:02,960
into that. That trickle down effect goes

797
00:24:00,798 --> 00:24:04,400
across the whole thing. And the I think

798
00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:06,240
the the best thing that I know how to do

799
00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:08,640
as a director is just create an

800
00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:10,558
environment where people feel like they

801
00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:12,400
show up, people like me, they're rooting

802
00:24:10,558 --> 00:24:14,000
for me. I can embarrass myself

803
00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:15,440
and be bad and it's not going to be in

804
00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:16,640
the movie and no one's going to make me

805
00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:18,080
feel self-conscious and

806
00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:19,520
>> I'm listened to my ideas.

807
00:24:18,079 --> 00:24:20,558
>> Yeah. And if I have something to offer,

808
00:24:19,519 --> 00:24:22,960
they're going to go, "Oh, that's a good

809
00:24:20,558 --> 00:24:25,038
idea." You know what I mean? And that

810
00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:26,319
that's kind of the trick to in my view.

811
00:24:25,038 --> 00:24:28,240
And then you're depending on the gifts

812
00:24:26,319 --> 00:24:30,158
of all these people. Every single one of

813
00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:33,038
them, you know, guys was, you know, some

814
00:24:30,159 --> 00:24:34,960
woman's assistant uh propm is coming up

815
00:24:33,038 --> 00:24:36,720
with like the stuff that, you know, Phil

816
00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:38,400
Knight found, you know, his waffle and

817
00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:40,000
the shoe, they found it on eBay, like

818
00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:41,759
that's an extra mile. You know what I

819
00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:43,440
mean? And if you make people feel like

820
00:24:41,759 --> 00:24:45,200
it matters and you give a and that

821
00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:46,640
they're contributing and oh cool, let's

822
00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:47,840
do a close-up of that. That's really

823
00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:49,679
cool.

824
00:24:47,839 --> 00:24:51,839
>> They'll die for you. They'll go all the

825
00:24:49,679 --> 00:24:53,759
way and it changes the whole

826
00:24:51,839 --> 00:24:54,879
>> if you bonus them.

827
00:24:53,759 --> 00:24:56,400
>> Yeah. [laughter] doesn't hurt either.

828
00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:58,559
>> You know, it's not just all, you know,

829
00:24:56,400 --> 00:25:01,360
it's it's not just there's an actual

830
00:24:58,558 --> 00:25:03,038
like codified bonus structure to say

831
00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:04,319
like we

832
00:25:03,038 --> 00:25:05,599
>> this is a way of recognizing that

833
00:25:04,319 --> 00:25:07,599
right? It's like in your paycheck, too.

834
00:25:05,599 --> 00:25:09,599
It's not just real and you guys develop

835
00:25:07,599 --> 00:25:10,959
this. Is this so something that you

836
00:25:09,599 --> 00:25:13,278
like? Kudos to you guys for addressing

837
00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:14,640
this first of all and recognizing it and

838
00:25:13,278 --> 00:25:17,038
having that attitude because it's so

839
00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:18,640
important and it's so easy for big movie

840
00:25:17,038 --> 00:25:19,038
stars to just think about themselves and

841
00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:20,880
their own.

842
00:25:19,038 --> 00:25:24,278
>> We're communists, Joe. [laughter]

843
00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:24,278
>> We're from Cambridge.

844
00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:29,840
keep the car running. [laughter]

845
00:25:26,798 --> 00:25:31,918
>> No, no, but uh but but each each deal

846
00:25:29,839 --> 00:25:33,199
has had this kind of each deal that

847
00:25:31,919 --> 00:25:34,720
we've done so far has been different

848
00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:37,200
because we've made deals with, you know,

849
00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:37,919
different studios and platforms and

850
00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:39,519
stuff like that. And

851
00:25:37,919 --> 00:25:41,840
>> it just involved us basically

852
00:25:39,519 --> 00:25:43,519
retroactively going, "Hey, we came in

853
00:25:41,839 --> 00:25:45,278
under we did a great job. There's extra

854
00:25:43,519 --> 00:25:46,639
money. Here you go." Mhm.

855
00:25:45,278 --> 00:25:49,519
>> This is the first time that we were able

856
00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:51,278
to to actually create like a schedule

857
00:25:49,519 --> 00:25:52,158
where it's like because and by the way,

858
00:25:51,278 --> 00:25:53,919
we wouldn't have been able to do that

859
00:25:52,159 --> 00:25:55,360
without Netflix going, "Okay, cool. You

860
00:25:53,919 --> 00:25:56,880
think you can make this work? Is this

861
00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:58,000
we'll give you a shot. Otherwise, we

862
00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:59,200
wouldn't have been able to do it." So,

863
00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:01,200
we had to say, "Look, we're not asking

864
00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:02,798
you to take a cut, but you know, if if

865
00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:05,120
we we can and we can tell you if the

866
00:26:02,798 --> 00:26:07,519
movie is watched as many hours in the

867
00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:10,239
first 90 days as like this movie a that

868
00:26:07,519 --> 00:26:12,720
you all know what it is, then that's you

869
00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:14,159
know 20% of your let's say, right? You

870
00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:15,759
should take a hit." So it's like, yeah,

871
00:26:14,159 --> 00:26:17,840
you make more money, your bonus is more.

872
00:26:15,759 --> 00:26:19,359
It's all just pegged to where you're at

873
00:26:17,839 --> 00:26:20,158
just because that was the most fair idea

874
00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:21,599
we'd come up with.

875
00:26:20,159 --> 00:26:24,400
>> So they gave us like five different

876
00:26:21,599 --> 00:26:26,240
levels, right? Like the first couple we

877
00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:27,759
hopefully we can hit and maybe the third

878
00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:28,240
maybe we get and then it got to like the

879
00:26:27,759 --> 00:26:29,440
fifth one

880
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:29,839
>> kind of like single double triple home

881
00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:31,679
run

882
00:26:29,839 --> 00:26:35,038
>> home run grand slam. The fifth

883
00:26:31,679 --> 00:26:36,159
one was was 110% of all Netflix viewers

884
00:26:35,038 --> 00:26:37,759
or something like that. So it's

885
00:26:36,159 --> 00:26:39,278
everybody who has a Netflix account

886
00:26:37,759 --> 00:26:41,440
watches it and then like 10% of them

887
00:26:39,278 --> 00:26:42,960
watch it again. And we were like K-pop

888
00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:44,320
demon this is the biggest but that's

889
00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:46,000
what happened. We were laughing and then

890
00:26:44,319 --> 00:26:47,359
K-pop Demon Hunters came along and

891
00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:48,480
actually did that. That's the first

892
00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:49,119
movie that's ever

893
00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:49,759
>> Jesus.

894
00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:51,199
>> Yeah.

895
00:26:49,759 --> 00:26:52,640
>> Well, I think a lot of autistic kids

896
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:54,000
watch that over and over and over.

897
00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:55,520
>> I haven't seen I haven't seen [laughter]

898
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:56,400
it, but I I mean somebody's watching it

899
00:26:55,519 --> 00:26:59,038
over and over.

900
00:26:56,400 --> 00:27:02,000
>> Yeah. So, dude, people love it.

901
00:26:59,038 --> 00:27:03,519
>> I mean, it's you know the the the value

902
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:04,720
of it is that because before this one of

903
00:27:03,519 --> 00:27:06,400
the big things and everybody's fighting

904
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:08,000
over in the strike is like well share

905
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:09,840
your ch there used to be residuals,

906
00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:11,440
right? and residuals and it was only for

907
00:27:09,839 --> 00:27:13,038
SAG and a few other things but it was

908
00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:14,880
like and you knew if you had a line in

909
00:27:13,038 --> 00:27:16,400
the movie and the movie a certain number

910
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:19,278
like at the box office well you're going

911
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:20,880
to get another 2,000 bucks and that was

912
00:27:19,278 --> 00:27:22,079
a big deal you get that check in the

913
00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:23,760
mail and like okay I can pay the rent

914
00:27:22,079 --> 00:27:25,199
for another month and I can do that

915
00:27:23,759 --> 00:27:27,599
but then it then there was this like

916
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:29,278
sort of illde what constitutes success

917
00:27:27,599 --> 00:27:31,278
because streamer doesn't actually sell

918
00:27:29,278 --> 00:27:33,200
another ticket if you watch that movie

919
00:27:31,278 --> 00:27:35,599
right it's hard to tell well why did you

920
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:37,120
sign up for this service right so for a

921
00:27:35,599 --> 00:27:38,719
while everyone's looking at the first

922
00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:40,639
thing that you looked that when you

923
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:42,240
subscribe to somebody, okay, you going

924
00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:44,720
to go buy Hulu? What did you watch

925
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:46,558
first? The bear. Well, the bear must be

926
00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:48,798
creating value for us. But it's you

927
00:27:46,558 --> 00:27:50,879
can't assign a a strict numerical value

928
00:27:48,798 --> 00:27:52,879
to it because it's unlike a box office

929
00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:54,399
where you can go, well, you know,

930
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:55,919
Oenheimer is a billion dollars or

931
00:27:54,398 --> 00:27:57,918
whatever and you know that's another

932
00:27:55,919 --> 00:27:59,520
billion dollars on our balance sheet

933
00:27:57,919 --> 00:28:01,278
because streamers are doing a

934
00:27:59,519 --> 00:28:02,960
subscription model, you know,

935
00:28:01,278 --> 00:28:04,398
>> it's, you know, whether it's like a gym

936
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:05,360
membership where in the you

937
00:28:04,398 --> 00:28:06,479
know, first of the year you're like, I'm

938
00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:08,398
going to work out again. I'm going to

939
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:10,159
buy that annual membership. And you go

940
00:28:08,398 --> 00:28:11,759
twice or you go to the gym every single

941
00:28:10,159 --> 00:28:13,440
day, you're paying the same amount.

942
00:28:11,759 --> 00:28:15,440
>> Also, the weird thing is with streaming,

943
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:16,640
when you're opening up Netflix, it's not

944
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:18,880
like you're going to the movie theater

945
00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:20,799
and there's seven movies playing. You're

946
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:24,640
opening up Netflix and you have an

947
00:28:20,798 --> 00:28:26,398
unlimited option list. It's insane how

948
00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:28,320
much content you could waste the rest of

949
00:28:26,398 --> 00:28:30,798
your life sitting in front of Netflix

950
00:28:28,319 --> 00:28:32,798
and then die and have, you know,

951
00:28:30,798 --> 00:28:34,798
millions of hours more to listen to or

952
00:28:32,798 --> 00:28:36,398
watch. And you're right, like when we

953
00:28:34,798 --> 00:28:39,119
started researching that and built our

954
00:28:36,398 --> 00:28:41,839
own data to poll people and examine all

955
00:28:39,119 --> 00:28:43,119
this stuff, it's it's actually all the

956
00:28:41,839 --> 00:28:45,038
library stuff that people are watching

957
00:28:43,119 --> 00:28:47,119
all the time. if you said like the new

958
00:28:45,038 --> 00:28:48,960
stuff is theoretically what what keeps

959
00:28:47,119 --> 00:28:51,359
people with the subscription or whatever

960
00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:53,440
but in terms of like volume of time I

961
00:28:51,359 --> 00:28:56,158
think and doesn't come from them but it

962
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:57,840
looks a lot like you know going to watch

963
00:28:56,159 --> 00:28:59,520
like orange and new black and the

964
00:28:57,839 --> 00:29:02,480
episode of suits and the old Seinfeld

965
00:28:59,519 --> 00:29:04,639
and Friends and what you know um Cupcake

966
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:07,120
Wars or you know that that's what's cuz

967
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:07,520
Americans watch six hours of TV a day

968
00:29:07,119 --> 00:29:09,199
right

969
00:29:07,519 --> 00:29:10,639
>> that's crazy

970
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:12,000
>> and then the other six hours they're on

971
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:14,320
their phone how [laughter] does anything

972
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:16,240
get done how does anything get done

973
00:29:14,319 --> 00:29:17,918
>> when you started to make this film like

974
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:20,240
what what is the process like how did

975
00:29:17,919 --> 00:29:22,240
you guys agree on it like what did you

976
00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:24,240
guys have it written first

977
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:25,359
>> was Joe so

978
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:26,399
>> before you knew you were going to

979
00:29:25,359 --> 00:29:28,240
Netflix with it

980
00:29:26,398 --> 00:29:29,918
>> yeah yeah he came to us with the script

981
00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:31,759
and we've known Joe for a really he did

982
00:29:29,919 --> 00:29:33,200
a movie his first movie is called Narc I

983
00:29:31,759 --> 00:29:33,839
don't know if you ever saw terrific

984
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:36,798
great movie

985
00:29:33,839 --> 00:29:38,879
>> so we met him way back this 25 years ago

986
00:29:36,798 --> 00:29:41,519
or something like that and so we met him

987
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:44,320
met him back then and Ben did a movie of

988
00:29:41,519 --> 00:29:46,079
his4 four, I think. And so we've known

989
00:29:44,319 --> 00:29:47,359
Joe for a really long time and kind of

990
00:29:46,079 --> 00:29:49,199
been in touch with him over the years

991
00:29:47,359 --> 00:29:50,719
and and he just sent this to us and said

992
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:53,840
and we read it and we thought it was

993
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:56,079
great and and and and bought it for the

994
00:29:53,839 --> 00:29:58,000
company and then we started talking to

995
00:29:56,079 --> 00:29:59,678
Joe about, you know, how he saw, you

996
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:02,480
know, how he wanted to do it and and he

997
00:29:59,679 --> 00:30:04,240
suggested that we actually do the movie.

998
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:06,000
Um, and we and we were like, "Yeah, why

999
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:07,679
don't we do it? It seems

1000
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:09,359
>> basically because we liked and part of

1001
00:30:07,679 --> 00:30:12,080
it's like we're not trying to just do

1002
00:30:09,359 --> 00:30:13,359
our movies. We want to be, you know,

1003
00:30:12,079 --> 00:30:15,439
doing movies with all these the people

1004
00:30:13,359 --> 00:30:16,798
that we like and respect and and and

1005
00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:19,759
then, you know, the way we sort of set

1006
00:30:16,798 --> 00:30:22,319
it up is such that to try to get like

1007
00:30:19,759 --> 00:30:24,640
the historically the way it's worked is

1008
00:30:22,319 --> 00:30:26,639
like the, you know, a studio will own a

1009
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:27,919
an IB or a script or whatever and then

1010
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:29,360
you cut and they'll say, "Okay, we want

1011
00:30:27,919 --> 00:30:30,480
you to do it." Okay, well, how much?

1012
00:30:29,359 --> 00:30:31,759
Well, how much did you get for the last

1013
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:33,679
one, right? And you go then what's the

1014
00:30:31,759 --> 00:30:36,480
budget? And then that's how they assign

1015
00:30:33,679 --> 00:30:38,399
a value to it, right? But like my belief

1016
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:40,079
was well especially when these streamers

1017
00:30:38,398 --> 00:30:42,239
are like coming into the market and and

1018
00:30:40,079 --> 00:30:44,240
chasing stuff is like this movie may may

1019
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:46,558
be worth more it may be worth less and

1020
00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:48,480
that like we're all just subject to that

1021
00:30:46,558 --> 00:30:51,278
so we'll try to get the best price for

1022
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:52,720
it and we'll all share it you know prata

1023
00:30:51,278 --> 00:30:54,558
and essentially that that was the same

1024
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:57,600
process we've done eight I guess movies

1025
00:30:54,558 --> 00:30:59,278
or so now and and uh we took it out and

1026
00:30:57,599 --> 00:31:00,398
you know people wanted it and then one

1027
00:30:59,278 --> 00:31:02,000
of the things that was really appealing

1028
00:31:00,398 --> 00:31:04,798
about Netflix was that they were open to

1029
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:06,480
this this idea that we've been trying to

1030
00:31:04,798 --> 00:31:08,480
institutionalize and was like, "Okay,

1031
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:10,399
great. That's that's really meaningful

1032
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:11,679
because ideally it becomes a template

1033
00:31:10,398 --> 00:31:13,119
that other people go, hey, we want to do

1034
00:31:11,679 --> 00:31:14,000
that thing, you know, and then go, oh,

1035
00:31:13,119 --> 00:31:15,038
here's the paperwork."

1036
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:17,200
>> Yeah, that's the thing. Like a lot of

1037
00:31:15,038 --> 00:31:20,480
people say that they would want to do

1038
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:22,558
it, but it now now that template exists.

1039
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:24,079
So, it's like plugandplay. So, if you if

1040
00:31:22,558 --> 00:31:25,839
you're not full of and you really

1041
00:31:24,079 --> 00:31:26,639
do mean that, then guess what? Just take

1042
00:31:25,839 --> 00:31:28,720
this and

1043
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:31,120
>> and it also is going to let you, you

1044
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:32,000
know, I hope like manage the risk. In

1045
00:31:31,119 --> 00:31:33,038
other words, the argument you always

1046
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:35,038
have is like, well, we got to

1047
00:31:33,038 --> 00:31:37,278
invest all this money in the movie. So,

1048
00:31:35,038 --> 00:31:39,839
you can't have your protagonist be too

1049
00:31:37,278 --> 00:31:42,240
objectionable. That's too edgy or can't

1050
00:31:39,839 --> 00:31:43,519
be R-rated because it costs this. I get

1051
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:44,880
it right. You're going to put all your

1052
00:31:43,519 --> 00:31:46,319
money into it. You want you don't want

1053
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:48,399
money to disappear. You want to

1054
00:31:46,319 --> 00:31:50,319
make money. Okay. So, if like when we

1055
00:31:48,398 --> 00:31:51,759
wrote the first movie that Goodwill

1056
00:31:50,319 --> 00:31:53,200
Hunting, it was like we knew that had to

1057
00:31:51,759 --> 00:31:54,480
be a cheap movie. People talking in

1058
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:55,679
rooms to each other because no one's

1059
00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:56,798
going to put a bunch of money into a

1060
00:31:55,679 --> 00:31:58,480
movie with us.

1061
00:31:56,798 --> 00:32:00,158
>> Two that no one heard of. So,

1062
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:01,839
it was like, okay, what can we do?

1063
00:32:00,159 --> 00:32:04,320
That's interesting that and try to keep

1064
00:32:01,839 --> 00:32:05,519
it as inexpensive as possible so that we

1065
00:32:04,319 --> 00:32:07,599
can make the argument that someone

1066
00:32:05,519 --> 00:32:09,038
should make the movie. That same logic

1067
00:32:07,599 --> 00:32:10,879
like carries through every time you're

1068
00:32:09,038 --> 00:32:13,119
asking somebody to invest in something.

1069
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:15,519
So what I'd like to have happen is to

1070
00:32:13,119 --> 00:32:18,079
say, okay, now that we know there's a

1071
00:32:15,519 --> 00:32:20,480
reliable system where we understand that

1072
00:32:18,079 --> 00:32:22,798
like in success will actually benefit,

1073
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:24,880
we can lower, you know, the price

1074
00:32:22,798 --> 00:32:26,398
upfront for you so that you can have a

1075
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:27,600
low barrier to entry so that you

1076
00:32:26,398 --> 00:32:28,959
can take the risk so that we can do

1077
00:32:27,599 --> 00:32:31,199
something really interesting. That's

1078
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:33,120
that's an original idea. That's a you

1079
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:36,000
know that's an ABM or sinners or

1080
00:32:33,119 --> 00:32:37,759
Marty Supreme or whatever it is and and

1081
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:39,278
then if it's successful we're not all

1082
00:32:37,759 --> 00:32:40,640
sitting here like where you

1083
00:32:39,278 --> 00:32:42,558
know you guys walk off with all the

1084
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:44,720
money but and you can have that happen

1085
00:32:42,558 --> 00:32:46,879
in an ongoing way so that you can make

1086
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:49,038
more interesting stuff. A lot of the

1087
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:52,000
stuff that was going on with the strikes

1088
00:32:49,038 --> 00:32:54,158
was centered around AI and what AI is

1089
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:56,480
going to do to the business. like what

1090
00:32:54,159 --> 00:32:58,960
where do you feel is going to be like

1091
00:32:56,480 --> 00:33:00,558
the biggest problem with AI? Is it going

1092
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:02,240
to be with people's likenesses? Because

1093
00:33:00,558 --> 00:33:04,079
there's a lot of that where they want

1094
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:05,839
they want to use extras and own their

1095
00:33:04,079 --> 00:33:07,839
digital rights forever essentially be

1096
00:33:05,839 --> 00:33:09,918
able to recreate them in any kind of

1097
00:33:07,839 --> 00:33:12,480
film. But then there's also you're going

1098
00:33:09,919 --> 00:33:14,159
to have films that are written by

1099
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:17,360
artificial intelligence. You're going to

1100
00:33:14,159 --> 00:33:19,840
have scenes that don't involve people.

1101
00:33:17,359 --> 00:33:21,119
And it gets weird, right?

1102
00:33:19,839 --> 00:33:22,879
>> It gets really weird. But there's

1103
00:33:21,119 --> 00:33:24,319
actually an area for him.

1104
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:25,919
>> Yeah, we've been spending time looking

1105
00:33:24,319 --> 00:33:26,720
at this. Like my belief is it's sort of

1106
00:33:25,919 --> 00:33:28,000
like what's going to happen with

1107
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:29,038
electricity.

1108
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:30,398
>> Well, a lot of shit's going to happen

1109
00:33:29,038 --> 00:33:31,440
with electricity. Some of it's going to

1110
00:33:30,398 --> 00:33:33,119
be good. Some of it's going to change

1111
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:35,120
stuff. Some of it's going to be like,

1112
00:33:33,119 --> 00:33:36,719
you know, this is going to be, you know,

1113
00:33:35,119 --> 00:33:38,558
that kills a bunch of people. Like,

1114
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:41,440
it's it's it's opening a door that you

1115
00:33:38,558 --> 00:33:43,278
can't um you know, say, well, talk about

1116
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:45,840
in a kind of a blanket way. But I think

1117
00:33:43,278 --> 00:33:48,720
with what I see is like for example, if

1118
00:33:45,839 --> 00:33:50,879
you try to get Chat GBT or Claude or

1119
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:53,519
Gemini to write you something, it's

1120
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:55,679
really shitty. And it's shitty because

1121
00:33:53,519 --> 00:33:58,480
by its nature, it goes to the mean to

1122
00:33:55,679 --> 00:34:00,559
the average. And it's and it's not

1123
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:02,558
reliable. And it's I mean, I just can't

1124
00:34:00,558 --> 00:34:04,319
even stand to see what writes. Now, it's

1125
00:34:02,558 --> 00:34:06,240
a useful tool if you're a writer and

1126
00:34:04,319 --> 00:34:08,000
you're going, "Uh, what's the thing? I'm

1127
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:09,599
trying to set something up or somebody

1128
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:11,199
sends someone a letter, but it's delayed

1129
00:34:09,599 --> 00:34:13,679
two days and gets and it can give you

1130
00:34:11,199 --> 00:34:16,000
some examples of that. I actually don't

1131
00:34:13,679 --> 00:34:17,440
think it's very likely that it can it's

1132
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:20,159
going to be able to write anything

1133
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:22,079
meaningful or and in particular that

1134
00:34:20,159 --> 00:34:23,599
it's going to be making movies like from

1135
00:34:22,079 --> 00:34:24,800
whole cloth like Tilly Nor like that's

1136
00:34:23,599 --> 00:34:26,639
I don't think that's going to

1137
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:28,320
happen. I think it's not I think it

1138
00:34:26,639 --> 00:34:30,000
actually it turns out the technology is

1139
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:32,800
not progressing in exactly the same way

1140
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:34,639
they sort of presented it. Um and really

1141
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:36,879
what it is is going to be a tool just

1142
00:34:34,639 --> 00:34:38,159
like sort of visual effects and yeah it

1143
00:34:36,878 --> 00:34:39,679
needs to have language around it. You

1144
00:34:38,159 --> 00:34:41,440
need to protect your name and likeness.

1145
00:34:39,679 --> 00:34:43,200
You can do that. You can watermark it.

1146
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:44,800
You're those laws already exist. You

1147
00:34:43,199 --> 00:34:46,480
can't I can't sell your picture

1148
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:49,119
for money. I can't. You can sue me.

1149
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:51,358
Period. I might have the ability to draw

1150
00:34:49,119 --> 00:34:54,399
you to make you in a very realistic way,

1151
00:34:51,358 --> 00:34:55,918
but that's already against the law. And

1152
00:34:54,398 --> 00:34:57,358
the unions are going to I think the

1153
00:34:55,918 --> 00:35:00,159
guilds are going to manage this where

1154
00:34:57,358 --> 00:35:01,440
it's like, okay, look, if this is a tool

1155
00:35:00,159 --> 00:35:02,719
that actually helps us, for example, we

1156
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:04,720
don't have to go to the North Pole,

1157
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:07,039
right? We can shoot the scene here in

1158
00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:09,519
our parkas and you know whatever it is

1159
00:35:07,039 --> 00:35:10,800
and but then make it appear very

1160
00:35:09,519 --> 00:35:12,639
realistically as if we're in the North

1161
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:14,079
Pole. It'll save us a lot of money, a

1162
00:35:12,639 --> 00:35:15,920
lot of time. We're going to focus on the

1163
00:35:14,079 --> 00:35:18,400
performances and not be freezing our ass

1164
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:20,800
off out there and running back inside.

1165
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:22,400
That's useful just like Spencer Tracy

1166
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:23,839
and Katherryn Heburn used to be like

1167
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:25,519
driving their car and there's a wind

1168
00:35:23,838 --> 00:35:27,119
blowing a painting behind them. and look

1169
00:35:25,519 --> 00:35:28,800
goofy and you [laughter] know now you

1170
00:35:27,119 --> 00:35:30,880
know in computer gener people use a lot

1171
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:32,480
of computerenerated stuff and some of it

1172
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:34,880
is going to replace just that like

1173
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:37,280
instead of uh 500 guys in Singapore you

1174
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:40,400
know making $2 an hour to to render all

1175
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:41,920
the graphics for a superhero movie

1176
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:43,838
there's going to be able to do that a

1177
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:45,358
lot easier there's already laws around

1178
00:35:43,838 --> 00:35:47,679
and guild guidelines around like how

1179
00:35:45,358 --> 00:35:49,920
many union extras you have to use but

1180
00:35:47,679 --> 00:35:52,319
also we've been tiling extras like there

1181
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:53,358
weren't a million orcs in Middle Earth

1182
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:54,800
you know what I mean there aren't

1183
00:35:53,358 --> 00:35:56,480
Invictus there weren't all those people

1184
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:58,800
in the stadium like that's something

1185
00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:59,838
we've been doing. It kind of feels to me

1186
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:02,000
like the thing we were talking about

1187
00:35:59,838 --> 00:36:03,279
earlier where there's a lot more fear

1188
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:04,880
because we have the sense this

1189
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:06,000
existential dread. It's going to wipe

1190
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:07,760
everything out.

1191
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:10,559
>> But that actually runs counter in my

1192
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:14,079
view to what history seems to show which

1193
00:36:10,559 --> 00:36:16,719
is a adoption is slow. It's incremental.

1194
00:36:14,079 --> 00:36:18,720
>> Um I think a lot of that rhetoric comes

1195
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:21,279
from people who are trying to justify

1196
00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:22,559
valuations around companies where they

1197
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:23,599
go we're going to change everything in

1198
00:36:22,559 --> 00:36:25,199
two years. There's going to be no more

1199
00:36:23,599 --> 00:36:27,519
work. Well, the reason they're saying

1200
00:36:25,199 --> 00:36:29,679
that is because they need to ascribe a

1201
00:36:27,519 --> 00:36:31,199
valuation for investment that can

1202
00:36:29,679 --> 00:36:32,639
warrant the capex spend they're going to

1203
00:36:31,199 --> 00:36:35,279
make on these data centers with the

1204
00:36:32,639 --> 00:36:36,639
argument that like oh you know as soon

1205
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:38,640
as we do the next model it's going to

1206
00:36:36,639 --> 00:36:42,000
scale up can be three times as good

1207
00:36:38,639 --> 00:36:45,199
except that actually chatp5 about 25

1208
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:47,280
time% better than chatbt4 and costs

1209
00:36:45,199 --> 00:36:49,598
about four times as much in the way of

1210
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:53,200
electricity and data so when they say

1211
00:36:49,599 --> 00:36:55,599
that's like plateauing the early AI the

1212
00:36:53,199 --> 00:36:57,199
line went up very steeply and it's now

1213
00:36:55,599 --> 00:36:59,359
sort of leveling off. I think it's

1214
00:36:57,199 --> 00:37:01,039
because and yes it'll get better but

1215
00:36:59,358 --> 00:37:02,960
it's going to be really expensive to get

1216
00:37:01,039 --> 00:37:04,960
better and a lot of people are like

1217
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:07,440
this we want chatb4 because it turned

1218
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:10,639
out like the vast majority of people who

1219
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:12,880
use AI are using it to like as like

1220
00:37:10,639 --> 00:37:14,159
companion bots to chat with at night and

1221
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:16,559
stuff. There's no work, there's no

1222
00:37:14,159 --> 00:37:18,399
productivity, there's no value to it. I

1223
00:37:16,559 --> 00:37:21,199
would argue there's also not a lot of

1224
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:23,838
social value to getting people to like

1225
00:37:21,199 --> 00:37:25,039
focus on an AI friend who's, you know,

1226
00:37:23,838 --> 00:37:26,480
telling you that you're great and

1227
00:37:25,039 --> 00:37:29,199
listening to everything you say and

1228
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:31,119
being sick ofantic. But that's sort of a

1229
00:37:29,199 --> 00:37:33,118
side issue. I think for this particular

1230
00:37:31,119 --> 00:37:34,400
purpose, like the way I see the

1231
00:37:33,119 --> 00:37:36,240
technology and what it's good at and

1232
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:37,680
what it's not, it's going to be good at

1233
00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:39,199
filling in all the places that are

1234
00:37:37,679 --> 00:37:41,519
expensive and burdensome and they make

1235
00:37:39,199 --> 00:37:43,598
it harder to do it and it's always going

1236
00:37:41,519 --> 00:37:46,079
to rely fundamentally on the human

1237
00:37:43,599 --> 00:37:49,039
artistic aspects of it. Well, I think

1238
00:37:46,079 --> 00:37:50,640
the more it becomes ubiquitous, the more

1239
00:37:49,039 --> 00:37:53,039
people are going to appreciate real

1240
00:37:50,639 --> 00:37:54,960
things that are made by real people, you

1241
00:37:53,039 --> 00:37:56,960
know, like you're you still appreciate a

1242
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:59,679
handmade table, you know? You're you're

1243
00:37:56,960 --> 00:38:01,358
going to appreciate like Did you see um

1244
00:37:59,679 --> 00:38:01,598
uh The Beast in Me, Claire Danes?

1245
00:38:01,358 --> 00:38:02,799
>> Yeah.

1246
00:38:01,599 --> 00:38:03,838
>> No, I didn't. great.

1247
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:05,680
>> Yeah, I heard it was great.

1248
00:38:03,838 --> 00:38:06,880
>> That lady

1249
00:38:05,679 --> 00:38:08,719
terrific.

1250
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:10,480
>> When she's in a scene, you're just like

1251
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:11,838
Jesus Christ. Like great.

1252
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:13,440
>> Like you like her lips are

1253
00:38:11,838 --> 00:38:14,880
quivering like you believe everything

1254
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:16,960
that she's saying. But you're right,

1255
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:18,240
people want that. My kids want

1256
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:20,385
cassette.

1257
00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:21,919
>> I'll say like I I did this interview

1258
00:38:20,385 --> 00:38:23,440
[clears throat] with uh with Dwayne

1259
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:25,200
Johnson because they, you know, they

1260
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:26,639
when people are in these awards things,

1261
00:38:25,199 --> 00:38:28,480
they sometimes have other actors

1262
00:38:26,639 --> 00:38:30,400
interview them, you know. And I did this

1263
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:31,679
interview with Dwayne and and and I

1264
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:34,160
asked him, there's this scene in the

1265
00:38:31,679 --> 00:38:35,838
Smashing Machine where where he's

1266
00:38:34,159 --> 00:38:37,279
overdosed on drugs and his buddy comes

1267
00:38:35,838 --> 00:38:37,679
to see him in the hospital.

1268
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:40,960
>> Yeah.

1269
00:38:37,679 --> 00:38:42,480
>> And and it really walloped me this

1270
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:44,000
scene. I thought it was so great. And

1271
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:45,358
and I asked him and I was just like,

1272
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:47,519
"Can you just tell me about this scene?

1273
00:38:45,358 --> 00:38:49,519
Like, did Benny Benny Safy directed it?

1274
00:38:47,519 --> 00:38:50,719
Did Benny write this write that? Did you

1275
00:38:49,519 --> 00:38:52,480
work on that scene with them? Did you?"

1276
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:53,919
He goes, "No, we we actually worked on

1277
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:56,000
it together." And I go, "But how did

1278
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:58,159
that scene come to be?" And Dwayne goes,

1279
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:59,358
"Well, my father was an alcoholic." And

1280
00:38:58,159 --> 00:39:01,519
I don't remember if he said substance

1281
00:38:59,358 --> 00:39:02,880
abuse or alcoholic, but I didn't know

1282
00:39:01,519 --> 00:39:04,400
the man. I don't want to impug him, but

1283
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:06,480
but he had he had a substance issue,

1284
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:09,358
whatever it was. He goes, "And and when

1285
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:11,440
he would talk to me, uh, you know,

1286
00:39:09,358 --> 00:39:13,039
that's how he

1287
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:14,240
would defend himself." It was almost a

1288
00:39:13,039 --> 00:39:16,079
bargaining thing because there's this

1289
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:18,559
thing when this guy comes to him, he's

1290
00:39:16,079 --> 00:39:20,160
overdosed and Dwayne's amazing in this

1291
00:39:18,559 --> 00:39:21,358
scene. He's he's going like he's going

1292
00:39:20,159 --> 00:39:22,480
like, "Yeah, isn't it crazy?" And then I

1293
00:39:21,358 --> 00:39:23,920
woke up and I mean, I could hear him,

1294
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:25,920
but I couldn't really hear him. And you

1295
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:27,519
see him and he's kind of tap dancing and

1296
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:30,159
his friend finally kind of holds his

1297
00:39:27,519 --> 00:39:33,039
feet to the fire. And at that moment,

1298
00:39:30,159 --> 00:39:34,719
Dwayne literally

1299
00:39:33,039 --> 00:39:37,838
starts to burst into tears and just

1300
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:40,879
pulls the hospital sheet up over his

1301
00:39:37,838 --> 00:39:43,358
head. And it's like and it's and it's I

1302
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:44,960
mean it just it was I'm I'm not doing it

1303
00:39:43,358 --> 00:39:46,480
justice if you haven't I mean I know you

1304
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:50,240
I know you've seen

1305
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:52,480
>> but um he said yeah. So he explains that

1306
00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:54,639
about his father and then he goes and

1307
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:56,480
and uh when my mom was diagnosed with

1308
00:39:54,639 --> 00:39:58,078
stage three lung cancer. I was with her

1309
00:39:56,480 --> 00:40:00,320
when the oncologist came in and she was

1310
00:39:58,079 --> 00:40:02,160
lying in the hospital bed and when he

1311
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:05,119
gave her the news, she pulled the sheet

1312
00:40:02,159 --> 00:40:06,960
up over her head and [snorts] I looked

1313
00:40:05,119 --> 00:40:09,200
at her and she just looked like a little

1314
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:12,000
like a little kid, you know, and I was

1315
00:40:09,199 --> 00:40:15,598
like, "All right." [snorts] Like, so

1316
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:18,159
that right is two traumatic events from

1317
00:40:15,599 --> 00:40:19,680
this guy's life, right, from his life

1318
00:40:18,159 --> 00:40:22,799
experience.

1319
00:40:19,679 --> 00:40:24,319
And the actor in him, right, sees this

1320
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:26,079
scene,

1321
00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:28,400
goes into his

1322
00:40:26,079 --> 00:40:30,000
memory pulls these two things out,

1323
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:31,358
understands that they're appropriate for

1324
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:34,000
this scene, and he can marry them

1325
00:40:31,358 --> 00:40:35,972
together in the scene, and then he goes

1326
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:36,559
and performs it that way. And

1327
00:40:35,972 --> 00:40:39,119
[clears throat]

1328
00:40:36,559 --> 00:40:43,039
a dude walking in off the road, goes to

1329
00:40:39,119 --> 00:40:46,400
the movies, sees this, understands

1330
00:40:43,039 --> 00:40:48,000
somehow that it's real. I I

1331
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:49,519
didn't know why. I That's why I wanted

1332
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:54,400
to ask him, how did that scene come to

1333
00:40:49,519 --> 00:40:58,880
be? genuinely didn't know and made me

1334
00:40:54,400 --> 00:41:00,720
tear up and you know like that is

1335
00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:02,559
>> there's no AI that can do that.

1336
00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:04,559
>> No, it's the whole lot more than

1337
00:41:02,559 --> 00:41:06,639
photorealistic images.

1338
00:41:04,559 --> 00:41:08,960
>> Yeah, you you could you could you could

1339
00:41:06,639 --> 00:41:11,039
have an AI understand Dwayne's face and

1340
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:12,159
move his face into different No

1341
00:41:11,039 --> 00:41:13,519
thing could ever do that.

1342
00:41:12,159 --> 00:41:15,199
>> The complications of real life

1343
00:41:13,519 --> 00:41:17,119
experiences relayed.

1344
00:41:15,199 --> 00:41:18,480
>> That is a completely human That is an

1345
00:41:17,119 --> 00:41:20,640
that is an artist. That's a piece of

1346
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:21,440
art, right? that comes out of a lived

1347
00:41:20,639 --> 00:41:23,279
human experience.

1348
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:25,280
>> That movie gave me so much anxiety.

1349
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:28,079
There's moments where Emily Blunt is

1350
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:29,839
arguing in that movie. I said I really

1351
00:41:28,079 --> 00:41:31,359
said I I I was like that I think I think

1352
00:41:29,838 --> 00:41:32,559
that's the best she's ever been. I love

1353
00:41:31,358 --> 00:41:33,838
you know we live in the same building in

1354
00:41:32,559 --> 00:41:36,480
New York. She's like very dear friend of

1355
00:41:33,838 --> 00:41:37,679
mine and I and I I I I was like I I

1356
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:39,199
really think that's the best she's ever

1357
00:41:37,679 --> 00:41:41,358
been. And then I said and then I blurted

1358
00:41:39,199 --> 00:41:43,358
that out to Chris Nolan and and he kind

1359
00:41:41,358 --> 00:41:44,480
of stopped and looked at me like he

1360
00:41:43,358 --> 00:41:46,078
didn't say it but he was kind of like

1361
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:47,519
she's pretty good in my movie

1362
00:41:46,079 --> 00:41:48,678
too. [laughter]

1363
00:41:47,519 --> 00:41:49,440
>> Well, she's great period.

1364
00:41:48,677 --> 00:41:50,719
[clears throat] She's great period.

1365
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:52,960
>> She's great period. But there's

1366
00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:56,159
something about that. Well, I knew Mark.

1367
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:57,920
I I knew Mark from I met Mark in 97 when

1368
00:41:56,159 --> 00:42:00,000
he was fighting in the UFC. So, [cough]

1369
00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:02,800
I knew the whole journey of him. And I

1370
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:05,280
was so happy for Dwayne because it was a

1371
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:08,880
film where instead of being this

1372
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:11,839
superhero blockbuster Hulk of a man, he

1373
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:14,720
gets to be that, but be an a great

1374
00:42:11,838 --> 00:42:16,480
actor. And you know, you can't really

1375
00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:18,799
get a person

1376
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:23,760
>> to look like that

1377
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:26,560
>> to express emotions and and and he was

1378
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:27,920
Mark Kerr. If you know Mark, I mean, it

1379
00:42:26,559 --> 00:42:29,519
was great actor.

1380
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:31,119
>> I completely forgot it was him and

1381
00:42:29,519 --> 00:42:32,880
somebody who had seen it before told me

1382
00:42:31,119 --> 00:42:35,039
that was going to happen and I was like,

1383
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:36,559
"All right, we'll see." Yeah. [laughter]

1384
00:42:35,039 --> 00:42:36,960
And it was like from the second it

1385
00:42:36,559 --> 00:42:38,639
started

1386
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:39,760
>> it didn't get the credit it deserved in

1387
00:42:38,639 --> 00:42:41,440
terms of like the amount of people that

1388
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:42,800
went to see it. But I think overall in

1389
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:45,200
time people appreciated.

1390
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:45,680
>> Yeah. That's one people go back to and

1391
00:42:45,199 --> 00:42:48,239
talk about

1392
00:42:45,679 --> 00:42:49,679
>> because it's a movie about MMA. So a lot

1393
00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:50,639
of people are like I don't want to see a

1394
00:42:49,679 --> 00:42:52,960
movie about a bunch of

1395
00:42:50,639 --> 00:42:55,920
meatheads. But it's not. It's just a

1396
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:59,199
movie that happens to be around MMA but

1397
00:42:55,920 --> 00:43:02,079
MMA. But it's a great movie. The the the

1398
00:42:59,199 --> 00:43:04,639
scenes are fantastic. The acting

1399
00:43:02,079 --> 00:43:07,119
is so good and the right and even the

1400
00:43:04,639 --> 00:43:09,920
the fight scenes. They're so realistic,

1401
00:43:07,119 --> 00:43:12,160
man. It's really like they I've saw all

1402
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:14,639
those fights. They recreated those

1403
00:43:12,159 --> 00:43:17,440
fights about as good as you can get

1404
00:43:14,639 --> 00:43:19,118
>> and just his crazy struggle. And you

1405
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:20,240
know the story behind the documentary,

1406
00:43:19,119 --> 00:43:20,800
The Smashing Machine.

1407
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:22,959
>> No.

1408
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:24,880
>> So, The Smashing Machine was made when

1409
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:26,960
Mark was at the height of his powers and

1410
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:30,318
pride. And he was the most terrifying

1411
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:32,159
guy in the world. He was 265 lb of solid

1412
00:43:30,318 --> 00:43:33,599
muscle just blowing through people.

1413
00:43:32,159 --> 00:43:35,519
Didn't even look like a human being.

1414
00:43:33,599 --> 00:43:37,838
Everyone was terrified of him. No one

1415
00:43:35,519 --> 00:43:40,239
knew he was a drug addict. No one knew.

1416
00:43:37,838 --> 00:43:43,039
And he spiraled out as they were

1417
00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:45,519
filming. And he let them film him. Let

1418
00:43:43,039 --> 00:43:47,599
them film him shooting up. let them film

1419
00:43:45,519 --> 00:43:49,039
him like bringing this giant bag of

1420
00:43:47,599 --> 00:43:51,519
pills with him and all this

1421
00:43:49,039 --> 00:43:53,519
everywhere and just completely falling

1422
00:43:51,519 --> 00:43:56,400
apart. While they were supposed to be

1423
00:43:53,519 --> 00:43:58,159
capturing this hero movie of the

1424
00:43:56,400 --> 00:44:00,480
greatest fighter in the world, he's

1425
00:43:58,159 --> 00:44:02,559
falling apart like live in front of the

1426
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:03,838
documentary. It was amazing

1427
00:44:02,559 --> 00:44:04,719
documentary.

1428
00:44:03,838 --> 00:44:07,358
>> I got to see it.

1429
00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:09,519
>> It's really good. But the I was so happy

1430
00:44:07,358 --> 00:44:12,078
that they put it in a film and I was so

1431
00:44:09,519 --> 00:44:13,519
happy that it gave Dwayne a vehicle to

1432
00:44:12,079 --> 00:44:16,160
show what he's really capable of because

1433
00:44:13,519 --> 00:44:18,480
he's so limited by a lot of just the

1434
00:44:16,159 --> 00:44:21,118
parameters of the roles that he was in.

1435
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:23,280
>> Yeah. And by and by like galactic

1436
00:44:21,119 --> 00:44:26,400
success, too, right? I mean, it's it's

1437
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:28,960
it's he he has he had to

1438
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:30,400
>> and will continue to have to

1439
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:31,780
>> push

1440
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:33,358
>> for that, right? Because it's

1441
00:44:31,780 --> 00:44:35,680
[clears throat] what he wants, right?

1442
00:44:33,358 --> 00:44:37,119
and not because what because what what

1443
00:44:35,679 --> 00:44:39,440
they are going to continue to want him

1444
00:44:37,119 --> 00:44:41,760
to do is you know the thing that that

1445
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:44,159
that mints them money. Um

1446
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:46,079
>> yeah but I suspect that his experience

1447
00:44:44,159 --> 00:44:47,598
and feeling about this movie

1448
00:44:46,079 --> 00:44:49,760
>> from the conversations I've had with

1449
00:44:47,599 --> 00:44:51,119
him. Yeah. This this is this is

1450
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:51,839
>> this has changed him.

1451
00:44:51,119 --> 00:44:54,160
>> Yeah.

1452
00:44:51,838 --> 00:44:56,639
>> Well, I mean it's like this thing that

1453
00:44:54,159 --> 00:44:58,879
these superhero guys have to do where

1454
00:44:56,639 --> 00:45:00,400
it's like something has to change

1455
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:02,880
because otherwise you're going to be

1456
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:04,960
boxed. Yeah. And with a guy that looks

1457
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:06,000
like that, it's so easy to put him in

1458
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:07,679
that box.

1459
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:09,440
>> And so you see him now, he's thinner.

1460
00:45:07,679 --> 00:45:10,879
He's lost a lot of weight. Dave Bautista

1461
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:12,880
went through a very similar thing, too,

1462
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:14,559
right? He wanted to be he wanted to have

1463
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:16,400
more range, wanted to have, you know,

1464
00:45:14,559 --> 00:45:17,838
more opportunities to do exciting and

1465
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:19,760
different challenging things.

1466
00:45:17,838 --> 00:45:21,519
>> Well, I think also coming from where he

1467
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:23,680
came from, right? It's like you talk

1468
00:45:21,519 --> 00:45:26,400
about going from TV to movies in the old

1469
00:45:23,679 --> 00:45:28,239
days, try coming from wrestling to to

1470
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:29,920
like the biggest movie star in the

1471
00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:33,519
world, right? It's very it's like it's

1472
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:35,119
incredible that he did that and now he's

1473
00:45:33,519 --> 00:45:37,759
in this place where he's got this

1474
00:45:35,119 --> 00:45:39,838
leverage as because he's so beloved and

1475
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:41,760
you know that that he can kind of tailor

1476
00:45:39,838 --> 00:45:42,239
the tailor what he wants from from here

1477
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:43,839
on out.

1478
00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:45,519
>> It's hard to bring the audience with you

1479
00:45:43,838 --> 00:45:47,440
and like no no I know you like this

1480
00:45:45,519 --> 00:45:48,639
thing but let me let me show you

1481
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:50,400
something else. You know it's sort of

1482
00:45:48,639 --> 00:45:52,078
like you go to the concert the band

1483
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:55,039
wants to play the new songs and play the

1484
00:45:52,079 --> 00:45:57,039
hits. [laughter] You know

1485
00:45:55,039 --> 00:45:58,639
it's always a little gilded gaze. All

1486
00:45:57,039 --> 00:46:00,480
right. it. satisfaction.

1487
00:45:58,639 --> 00:46:02,879
>> Yeah. [laughter]

1488
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:04,400
>> No, I love the song, too.

1489
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:05,680
>> You know, my my acoustic thing that I

1490
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:07,599
did, you know.

1491
00:46:05,679 --> 00:46:09,039
>> Yeah. I went to see the Stones and when

1492
00:46:07,599 --> 00:46:10,480
they were here in town and there was a

1493
00:46:09,039 --> 00:46:10,880
few songs they played that were like new

1494
00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:12,240
songs.

1495
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:14,880
>> Oh, really? See the audience is like,

1496
00:46:12,239 --> 00:46:15,919
"Okay, okay. Go get a beer. Get the

1497
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:18,400
other one." [laughter]

1498
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:20,240
>> Yeah. That's But I mean, but you know,

1499
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:23,280
every artist, I guess, has to make that

1500
00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:25,679
choice. And he's made it. and and it was

1501
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:29,119
amazing vehicle too cuz he still kept

1502
00:46:25,679 --> 00:46:31,279
that superhuman hulkish frame and then

1503
00:46:29,119 --> 00:46:32,640
but also showed like god there's like

1504
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:33,760
amazing depth there.

1505
00:46:32,639 --> 00:46:35,920
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

1506
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:37,520
>> And that's the thing that's I think

1507
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:38,880
especially because it's a it's

1508
00:46:37,519 --> 00:46:41,599
collaborative it happens with other

1509
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:43,680
people. That's what movies do that other

1510
00:46:41,599 --> 00:46:45,440
doesn't do which is just create

1511
00:46:43,679 --> 00:46:47,279
like you feel for people. It's empathy.

1512
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:49,039
It's all made up right that's not him.

1513
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:50,960
That's all it's all an illusion all

1514
00:46:49,039 --> 00:46:53,279
But if you do it really well

1515
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:54,720
with like, you know, somebody that seems

1516
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:56,880
to really be feeling something like all

1517
00:46:54,719 --> 00:46:58,799
of a sudden, I think what it does, it

1518
00:46:56,880 --> 00:47:00,480
touches like these things in ourselves,

1519
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:02,720
you know, it has that same effect that

1520
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:05,440
Dwayne went through of articulate to you

1521
00:47:02,719 --> 00:47:08,719
about like these moments that were kind

1522
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:10,639
of burned into his memory. Then really

1523
00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:12,559
the best movies are kind of almost blank

1524
00:47:10,639 --> 00:47:15,679
screens that we project our own

1525
00:47:12,559 --> 00:47:17,279
like, oh yeah, I my father died or I

1526
00:47:15,679 --> 00:47:20,000
went through this with my kid or I'm

1527
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:22,720
I feel alone and and and

1528
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:24,239
and miserable and and here's this like

1529
00:47:22,719 --> 00:47:26,480
hopeful moment that someone has to go

1530
00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:27,598
maybe I can maybe I can do something,

1531
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:29,679
you know, they inspire you, they touch

1532
00:47:27,599 --> 00:47:32,480
you, they move you and the thing to go

1533
00:47:29,679 --> 00:47:34,799
for. The other thing is, you know, it's

1534
00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:36,400
a is to to tell a lighter story, to go

1535
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:37,680
through the more typical sort of tropes

1536
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:39,280
of it all. And it's a

1537
00:47:37,679 --> 00:47:41,039
>> either way, you're in somebody else's

1538
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:42,560
perspective for a few hours and

1539
00:47:41,039 --> 00:47:44,400
hopefully it breeds compassion.

1540
00:47:42,559 --> 00:47:46,318
>> Well, when it's done right, there's a

1541
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:48,400
magic to it where you forget that it's

1542
00:47:46,318 --> 00:47:50,159
happening and you're there when the most

1543
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:51,838
amazing trick is when it's done by

1544
00:47:50,159 --> 00:47:53,679
famous people. You know, I was talking

1545
00:47:51,838 --> 00:47:56,159
to Ethan Hawk about this. There's a

1546
00:47:53,679 --> 00:47:57,679
scene with him and Kevin Bacon when in

1547
00:47:56,159 --> 00:47:58,879
uh that movie with Julia Roberts about

1548
00:47:57,679 --> 00:47:59,279
the end of the world. I forget the name

1549
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:02,400
of it.

1550
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:04,319
>> Right. Yeah, tomorrow

1551
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:05,680
something people will find it. But it's

1552
00:48:04,318 --> 00:48:08,800
great, great movie. But there's

1553
00:48:05,679 --> 00:48:10,480
this scene where he's trying to get he's

1554
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:13,519
talking to Kevin Bacon. Kevin Bacon's

1555
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:15,199
got a gun to him. And it's so I

1556
00:48:13,519 --> 00:48:17,358
know that's Kevin Bacon. I know that's

1557
00:48:15,199 --> 00:48:19,598
Ethan Hawk. It doesn't matter. Like

1558
00:48:17,358 --> 00:48:21,838
you're locked in. You're locked

1559
00:48:19,599 --> 00:48:25,280
in. You're like, "Oh shit." Like that's

1560
00:48:21,838 --> 00:48:27,599
the magic. And And he was like, "But I'm

1561
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:30,880
locked in too." Like that's it's like a

1562
00:48:27,599 --> 00:48:35,119
hypnosis. It's like everybody is in the

1563
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:37,039
scene in a very bizarre way. Like you

1564
00:48:35,119 --> 00:48:39,680
you have the lines, but you're living

1565
00:48:37,039 --> 00:48:41,838
it. And so, and that's either done or

1566
00:48:39,679 --> 00:48:43,519
it's not done. And when it's not done,

1567
00:48:41,838 --> 00:48:44,239
>> you could tell someone's kind of just

1568
00:48:43,519 --> 00:48:45,440
performative.

1569
00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:45,919
>> You feel it when you're watching it.

1570
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:47,920
>> Yes.

1571
00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:49,280
>> If if it does that thing and it pulls

1572
00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:50,559
you in, then it's happening.

1573
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:52,000
>> That's the magic of film.

1574
00:48:50,559 --> 00:48:52,960
>> And sometimes you trick people, I guess,

1575
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:54,719
but for the most part,

1576
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:56,240
>> for the most part, you don't. you're

1577
00:48:54,719 --> 00:48:58,318
feeling it and you it's really

1578
00:48:56,239 --> 00:49:00,799
happening. It's much more like

1579
00:48:58,318 --> 00:49:03,358
>> other human beings recognize human

1580
00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:06,480
beings experiencing real Yes. They

1581
00:49:03,358 --> 00:49:08,639
they mirror like I know what

1582
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:10,240
>> sorrow looks like without having to

1583
00:49:08,639 --> 00:49:12,000
I can't break it down for you or

1584
00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:14,639
I even you know you we all know kind of

1585
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:16,880
what like oh he's a little anxious right

1586
00:49:14,639 --> 00:49:18,799
now or did I maybe offend him or you

1587
00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:21,119
know all these little things and when

1588
00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:24,960
some like in the rare moments when these

1589
00:49:21,119 --> 00:49:27,280
big feelings or the things happen you

1590
00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:29,119
feel it too you know and you usually

1591
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:31,359
like an example is there's an old saying

1592
00:49:29,119 --> 00:49:33,119
about like you know actors try to cry

1593
00:49:31,358 --> 00:49:34,400
people try not to cry Like because when

1594
00:49:33,119 --> 00:49:35,519
you're really experiencing that

1595
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:37,119
you don't want people to see it. You

1596
00:49:35,519 --> 00:49:38,318
want to hide it. You want to No, I'm

1597
00:49:37,119 --> 00:49:39,838
okay. I'm fine. You know, it's like

1598
00:49:38,318 --> 00:49:41,119
>> you want to pull the sheet up over

1599
00:49:39,838 --> 00:49:42,239
Exactly. Exactly.

1600
00:49:41,119 --> 00:49:44,160
>> But the other thing that's really

1601
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:45,759
interesting from from our side of doing

1602
00:49:44,159 --> 00:49:48,239
it, because he and I have talked about

1603
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:50,480
this a lot, is and I've always said

1604
00:49:48,239 --> 00:49:52,479
publicly, like great actors are good

1605
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:54,960
enough for both of you. Like when you're

1606
00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:56,480
in a scene with a great actor,

1607
00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:58,159
>> that thing that Ethan's talking about,

1608
00:49:56,480 --> 00:49:59,838
that hypnosis or whatever you want to

1609
00:49:58,159 --> 00:50:01,118
call it, that energy, that that place

1610
00:49:59,838 --> 00:50:02,880
where you go, right?

1611
00:50:01,119 --> 00:50:04,880
>> They're bringing you right where they

1612
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:06,960
tractor beam. They will suck you

1613
00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:08,480
right in with them. And like as quickly

1614
00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:10,639
as you look into their eyes and you're

1615
00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:12,960
like, you're like just there. And it's

1616
00:50:10,639 --> 00:50:14,960
like, and it's not like it's like riding

1617
00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:16,159
the easiest wave you've ever ridden in

1618
00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:17,920
your life,

1619
00:50:16,159 --> 00:50:19,358
>> you know? It can be the hardest thing in

1620
00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:20,800
the world and it can be the easiest

1621
00:50:19,358 --> 00:50:22,960
thing in the world. When you're with a

1622
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:23,839
great actor, it just it's just if the

1623
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:25,358
scenes

1624
00:50:23,838 --> 00:50:26,639
>> Yeah, that's the real paradox is like

1625
00:50:25,358 --> 00:50:28,719
all the stuff that I'm the most proud

1626
00:50:26,639 --> 00:50:30,400
of, the weird thing about us has felt

1627
00:50:28,719 --> 00:50:31,279
very easy at the time. And the

1628
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:32,400
where you're banging your head against

1629
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:33,599
the wall trying to get blood from a

1630
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:34,880
stone and killing yourself and the whole

1631
00:50:33,599 --> 00:50:36,800
thing and it just

1632
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:38,160
>> it ends up feeling empty. And

1633
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:40,880
the thing about the stuff that I'm proud

1634
00:50:38,159 --> 00:50:42,639
of is I'm my insecurity is like should

1635
00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:44,160
be harder than this, right? Are we are

1636
00:50:42,639 --> 00:50:44,879
like we work hard enough? Are we get you

1637
00:50:44,159 --> 00:50:46,558
know

1638
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:48,000
>> and learn to kind of just trust that? Go

1639
00:50:46,559 --> 00:50:49,519
feels good. Let's just keep going, you

1640
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:51,199
know? Well, there's some scenes in this

1641
00:50:49,519 --> 00:50:52,800
movie without giving too much away where

1642
00:50:51,199 --> 00:50:55,118
there's conflict between you two guys

1643
00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:56,559
that seem so real and that's even harder

1644
00:50:55,119 --> 00:50:59,119
to recreate because you guys are good

1645
00:50:56,559 --> 00:51:01,200
friends and you're making the movie

1646
00:50:59,119 --> 00:51:03,280
together and you've got this scene where

1647
00:51:01,199 --> 00:51:04,719
you're acting in this and with the

1648
00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:06,400
conflict with the two of you guys the

1649
00:51:04,719 --> 00:51:08,239
movie, but it's very real.

1650
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:09,760
>> The reason that it was real is that I

1651
00:51:08,239 --> 00:51:12,558
like that scene. The reason it's it it

1652
00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:16,000
it works, I think, is because

1653
00:51:12,559 --> 00:51:18,079
he's coming at me and he's he really

1654
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:20,239
needs to know something and I'm

1655
00:51:18,079 --> 00:51:22,000
completely blanking him.

1656
00:51:20,239 --> 00:51:23,439
>> Like I'm just he's going, "You got to

1657
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:24,639
tell me what's going on, man." He's

1658
00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:26,159
like, "It's awesome." Like, "What what

1659
00:51:24,639 --> 00:51:29,598
is going what is the thing?" And I'm and

1660
00:51:26,159 --> 00:51:32,799
I'm just like literally kind of blanking

1661
00:51:29,599 --> 00:51:35,200
him in this bizarre way which which like

1662
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:38,480
was really frustrating him in real life

1663
00:51:35,199 --> 00:51:40,639
because he he was that feeling of like

1664
00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:42,960
it's tell me dude it's you and

1665
00:51:40,639 --> 00:51:44,799
me like when he finally goes he screams

1666
00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:46,880
out I don't trust you right now that's a

1667
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:48,480
problem right which is like what

1668
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:51,119
you would say to an old friend like what

1669
00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:53,838
are you doing man like what

1670
00:51:51,119 --> 00:51:55,920
>> what what are you do like

1671
00:51:53,838 --> 00:51:57,119
tell me the the betrayal me or

1672
00:51:55,920 --> 00:51:58,960
tell me the truth. Lie, lie to me or

1673
00:51:57,119 --> 00:52:00,640
tell me talk to me and like step outside

1674
00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:01,280
our whole relationship and all of a

1675
00:52:00,639 --> 00:52:02,078
sudden

1676
00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:04,079
>> just act like

1677
00:52:02,079 --> 00:52:07,280
>> give me this weird look of just like I

1678
00:52:04,079 --> 00:52:10,079
don't know, you know, like [laughter]

1679
00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:11,680
and so when we were doing the scene,

1680
00:52:10,079 --> 00:52:13,280
it was really pissing [laughter]

1681
00:52:11,679 --> 00:52:14,318
him off. I could see him like getting

1682
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:15,680
>> There's the one line that wasn't written

1683
00:52:14,318 --> 00:52:16,800
that I saw I didn't remember doing was,

1684
00:52:15,679 --> 00:52:17,039
"I would have never you like

1685
00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:18,318
this."

1686
00:52:17,039 --> 00:52:18,960
>> I I would have never you like

1687
00:52:18,318 --> 00:52:20,239
this. Yeah.

1688
00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:21,920
>> Which I didn't even remember saying is

1689
00:52:20,239 --> 00:52:23,439
George, I like that. Keep that thing. I

1690
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:25,280
wouldn't have you. And I was I

1691
00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:27,519
thought I was like what is he what did I

1692
00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:29,040
just you and I so watched the playback.

1693
00:52:27,519 --> 00:52:31,679
It wasn't those rare moments again. It

1694
00:52:29,039 --> 00:52:33,599
was like where it was that thing of you

1695
00:52:31,679 --> 00:52:36,239
doing all the work by by not doing

1696
00:52:33,599 --> 00:52:38,000
anything which I didn't expect that to

1697
00:52:36,239 --> 00:52:40,399
be the choice that you made and it just

1698
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:41,760
was confusing and felt like just you

1699
00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:44,079
know leaving you out in the

1700
00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:46,240
cold. I the only thing I could rely on

1701
00:52:44,079 --> 00:52:47,519
is like I you know I I would I wouldn't

1702
00:52:46,239 --> 00:52:49,358
do this to you [laughter] you know. So

1703
00:52:47,519 --> 00:52:51,679
do you have in those moments where

1704
00:52:49,358 --> 00:52:53,519
you're you're ad living a line where a

1705
00:52:51,679 --> 00:52:55,358
line come is it just just that feels

1706
00:52:53,519 --> 00:52:55,599
like that's what you say?

1707
00:52:55,358 --> 00:52:57,039
>> Yeah.

1708
00:52:55,599 --> 00:52:58,480
>> It's just kind of like he couldn't stop

1709
00:52:57,039 --> 00:53:00,558
from saying it, right? You know,

1710
00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:02,639
>> but you have to be working with somebody

1711
00:53:00,559 --> 00:53:04,480
that makes that okay. You know what I

1712
00:53:02,639 --> 00:53:06,318
mean? Cuz the part of your brain that

1713
00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:08,240
will like govern you or tell you

1714
00:53:06,318 --> 00:53:10,480
something's not okay, whatever, will

1715
00:53:08,239 --> 00:53:12,000
step in if it's sort of like, you know,

1716
00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:13,679
listen, I expect you to do this

1717
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:15,760
boxes. And there's there's uh directors

1718
00:53:13,679 --> 00:53:18,318
and writers who who really do really

1719
00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:19,440
care about every word precisely and that

1720
00:53:18,318 --> 00:53:20,800
you know and that's that's how they do

1721
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:24,240
it and that's fine. That could be great

1722
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:25,440
too. For me like it it I find it's it

1723
00:53:24,239 --> 00:53:27,439
becomes more interesting and sometimes

1724
00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:28,559
better stuff happens if you actually

1725
00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:30,000
feel like you don't have to say any of

1726
00:53:28,559 --> 00:53:32,319
the lines. I don't have to say any of

1727
00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:35,280
the lines in the scene. Then I'll tend

1728
00:53:32,318 --> 00:53:37,519
to say the ones that feel right. But it

1729
00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:39,280
but like it's that it's that fake thing

1730
00:53:37,519 --> 00:53:40,960
that never happens in life which is I'm

1731
00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:42,880
never sitting here talking to you and

1732
00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:44,159
think what's my next line? What am I

1733
00:53:42,880 --> 00:53:44,480
supposed to say and how should I say

1734
00:53:44,159 --> 00:53:46,159
that?

1735
00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:47,440
>> And it's not about the lines ever. It's

1736
00:53:46,159 --> 00:53:48,960
not about the word. It's about what's h

1737
00:53:47,440 --> 00:53:49,679
what's the scene about? What's happening

1738
00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:51,119
in the scene?

1739
00:53:49,679 --> 00:53:52,719
>> It's one of the reasons why curb curb

1740
00:53:51,119 --> 00:53:55,358
your enthusiasm is so great

1741
00:53:52,719 --> 00:53:56,000
>> cuz Larry David just gives you a place

1742
00:53:55,358 --> 00:53:56,639
to get to.

1743
00:53:56,000 --> 00:53:58,079
>> Yeah. Like

1744
00:53:56,639 --> 00:53:59,519
>> it gives them an ag kind of a loose

1745
00:53:58,079 --> 00:54:01,519
agenda of what's going to happen

1746
00:53:59,519 --> 00:54:02,800
>> and then films a bunch of stuff and

1747
00:54:01,519 --> 00:54:04,318
everybody figures it out.

1748
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:06,640
>> Yeah. And a lot of times that show's

1749
00:54:04,318 --> 00:54:08,480
about the awkward in between when

1750
00:54:06,639 --> 00:54:10,078
people are missing each other or not not

1751
00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:10,960
sure of themselves and a little

1752
00:54:10,079 --> 00:54:11,920
embarrassed.

1753
00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:12,880
genius show.

1754
00:54:11,920 --> 00:54:14,800
>> It really is.

1755
00:54:12,880 --> 00:54:16,720
>> And and and people talk like we're

1756
00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:18,400
talking like you occasionally talk over

1757
00:54:16,719 --> 00:54:20,159
each other. There's a stumble. There's

1758
00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:21,920
no one know like what what what the

1759
00:54:20,159 --> 00:54:22,480
are you talk? There's weirdness [snorts]

1760
00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:24,079
to

1761
00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:26,960
>> because what's also happening is that

1762
00:54:24,079 --> 00:54:29,119
forces you to really listen, right? And

1763
00:54:26,960 --> 00:54:31,519
that is that is the hardest thing to

1764
00:54:29,119 --> 00:54:33,838
kind of learn for young actors I think

1765
00:54:31,519 --> 00:54:35,599
is is it's really all about listening.

1766
00:54:33,838 --> 00:54:37,279
And like I did a bunch of movies with

1767
00:54:35,599 --> 00:54:40,079
Paul Greengrass and that's how he works

1768
00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:42,240
where he where you just know the agenda

1769
00:54:40,079 --> 00:54:44,160
going in. You know some basic things

1770
00:54:42,239 --> 00:54:46,719
that you you know what your guy needs

1771
00:54:44,159 --> 00:54:48,318
going in. Like I was playing a chief

1772
00:54:46,719 --> 00:54:50,000
warrant officer and I had to go through

1773
00:54:48,318 --> 00:54:52,480
a door and there was a guy and I needed

1774
00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:54,159
to interrogate him and I this is what I

1775
00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:56,159
needed to know from him. I needed to

1776
00:54:54,159 --> 00:54:58,000
secure the house with my guys and I

1777
00:54:56,159 --> 00:54:59,598
needed to get to this guy. We needed to

1778
00:54:58,000 --> 00:55:01,519
make sure everybody here was secure. So,

1779
00:54:59,599 --> 00:55:03,519
and it just and they and he put me with

1780
00:55:01,519 --> 00:55:06,318
a bunch of real

1781
00:55:03,519 --> 00:55:07,679
combat veterans and we went in

1782
00:55:06,318 --> 00:55:08,960
and you know they're the

1783
00:55:07,679 --> 00:55:09,440
>> another thing that does your job for

1784
00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:11,119
you.

1785
00:55:09,440 --> 00:55:13,519
>> It's just being around the real people.

1786
00:55:11,119 --> 00:55:16,240
>> Joe putting the the cops from Miami, you

1787
00:55:13,519 --> 00:55:18,960
know, on these parts and it just like by

1788
00:55:16,239 --> 00:55:20,639
osmosis you feel more legitimate. The

1789
00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:22,159
thing feels more authentic to the

1790
00:55:20,639 --> 00:55:23,838
audience. You don't know why because you

1791
00:55:22,159 --> 00:55:25,679
don't know what the how what the

1792
00:55:23,838 --> 00:55:27,838
culture is of the nar tactical narcotics

1793
00:55:25,679 --> 00:55:29,519
team in Miami. But when you see the real

1794
00:55:27,838 --> 00:55:30,719
guys, you kind of oh you're like, "Yeah,

1795
00:55:29,519 --> 00:55:32,239
that seems right."

1796
00:55:30,719 --> 00:55:32,799
>> Miami was a perfect place to have it,

1797
00:55:32,239 --> 00:55:33,199
too.

1798
00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:34,800
>> Miami.

1799
00:55:33,199 --> 00:55:37,199
>> Well, it's also specific to this because

1800
00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:39,200
it's based on this real tactical

1801
00:55:37,199 --> 00:55:42,078
narcotics [snorts] team in in in Miami.

1802
00:55:39,199 --> 00:55:44,719
And and uh and the guy who ran that,

1803
00:55:42,079 --> 00:55:46,400
this guy Chris Casiano is Joe's friend

1804
00:55:44,719 --> 00:55:49,439
and he's the guy that my character is

1805
00:55:46,400 --> 00:55:51,039
based on. Um, so Chris was Chris we

1806
00:55:49,440 --> 00:55:52,559
went, you know, we rode along with Chris

1807
00:55:51,039 --> 00:55:54,318
down there. We went with that team and

1808
00:55:52,559 --> 00:55:55,839
watched them operate and then hung out

1809
00:55:54,318 --> 00:55:57,599
with them and then they came up and they

1810
00:55:55,838 --> 00:55:59,358
were, you know, all in the movie and

1811
00:55:57,599 --> 00:56:02,000
Chris was around as a technical adviser

1812
00:55:59,358 --> 00:56:03,519
the whole time. So any question like

1813
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:05,039
little details, all right, how do I go

1814
00:56:03,519 --> 00:56:06,400
through this door? What do I do? What do

1815
00:56:05,039 --> 00:56:08,239
you do here? What's the what's the

1816
00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:10,880
protocol here? What you know, all of

1817
00:56:08,239 --> 00:56:12,639
that stuff was kind of overseen by him

1818
00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:13,519
so that it so that it was how they

1819
00:56:12,639 --> 00:56:15,440
really do it.

1820
00:56:13,519 --> 00:56:18,000
>> That whole town is so Did you

1821
00:56:15,440 --> 00:56:19,280
ever see Cocaine Cowboys? Yes.

1822
00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:21,679
>> Oh

1823
00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:23,359
>> The entire graduating class of

1824
00:56:21,679 --> 00:56:26,318
the police academy one year either wound

1825
00:56:23,358 --> 00:56:27,920
up murdered or in jail. [laughter]

1826
00:56:26,318 --> 00:56:30,880
>> But that's what happens. All of a sudden

1827
00:56:27,920 --> 00:56:32,639
you push so much money into

1828
00:56:30,880 --> 00:56:34,400
something, right? And it's like and

1829
00:56:32,639 --> 00:56:35,199
before they even kind of figured out

1830
00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:36,480
like

1831
00:56:35,199 --> 00:56:38,318
>> you know and it was there wasn't even a

1832
00:56:36,480 --> 00:56:40,318
lot of stigma. I was like, "Ah, cocaine,

1833
00:56:38,318 --> 00:56:42,400
whatever. It's kind of rich guys fun

1834
00:56:40,318 --> 00:56:44,318
drug." But, you know, is there some

1835
00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:46,480
statistic about like, you know, the

1836
00:56:44,318 --> 00:56:48,000
amount of money in the banks in Miami

1837
00:56:46,480 --> 00:56:48,559
was like the same as the rest of the

1838
00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:50,480
country?

1839
00:56:48,559 --> 00:56:53,200
>> More [laughter] banks per capita in

1840
00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:55,119
Miami than anywhere else in the country

1841
00:56:53,199 --> 00:56:56,719
>> because they were just laundering money

1842
00:56:55,119 --> 00:56:57,680
and they got away with it. They

1843
00:56:56,719 --> 00:56:59,279
literally got away with it.

1844
00:56:57,679 --> 00:57:02,159
>> Have you ever flown over biminy? You

1845
00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:03,760
know, the island. So, so if you fly

1846
00:57:02,159 --> 00:57:07,358
over, ever fly over Biminy, there are

1847
00:57:03,760 --> 00:57:09,440
all these like Cessnas underwater, all

1848
00:57:07,358 --> 00:57:11,358
these planes like around the island cuz

1849
00:57:09,440 --> 00:57:13,519
what they used to do, Bimin is like the

1850
00:57:11,358 --> 00:57:15,838
closest it's 50 miles off the coast of

1851
00:57:13,519 --> 00:57:18,239
Florida. Um they would they would come

1852
00:57:15,838 --> 00:57:20,239
in with a plane full of drugs and just

1853
00:57:18,239 --> 00:57:21,358
crash the plane into the water. They

1854
00:57:20,239 --> 00:57:23,519
would land it on purpose.

1855
00:57:21,358 --> 00:57:25,440
>> On purpose because there's no runway on

1856
00:57:23,519 --> 00:57:26,318
Biminy. No, it's like it. We're

1857
00:57:25,440 --> 00:57:28,559
going to dump the plane in the

1858
00:57:26,318 --> 00:57:31,358
>> They would have 10 cigarette boats, like

1859
00:57:28,559 --> 00:57:33,359
a flotilla of boats waiting. They would

1860
00:57:31,358 --> 00:57:36,318
crash the plane. They'd offload the

1861
00:57:33,358 --> 00:57:37,784
drugs as the plane was sinking, right?

1862
00:57:36,318 --> 00:57:39,039
And and then they put it they put

1863
00:57:37,784 --> 00:57:40,960
[laughter]

1864
00:57:39,039 --> 00:57:42,558
the Coast Guard like figures. They're

1865
00:57:40,960 --> 00:57:44,960
always coming for them. That's why they

1866
00:57:42,559 --> 00:57:46,240
have 10 boats. They throw the drugs into

1867
00:57:44,960 --> 00:57:47,838
one of the boats

1868
00:57:46,239 --> 00:57:50,318
>> and they got a one out of 10 chance of

1869
00:57:47,838 --> 00:57:52,480
making it. They just scatter

1870
00:57:50,318 --> 00:57:53,838
>> and the Coast Guard goes after one of

1871
00:57:52,480 --> 00:57:55,358
them and hopes they get the right one

1872
00:57:53,838 --> 00:57:57,039
and not. It's just like, "No, it's just

1873
00:57:55,358 --> 00:57:58,798
taking a cruise tonight. What's the

1874
00:57:57,039 --> 00:58:01,519
problem, officer?"

1875
00:57:58,798 --> 00:58:03,039
>> But the planes are still all submerged.

1876
00:58:01,519 --> 00:58:03,280
Like you could The water's so clear. You

1877
00:58:03,039 --> 00:58:04,798
can see

1878
00:58:03,280 --> 00:58:05,280
>> how many Oh, wow.

1879
00:58:04,798 --> 00:58:06,159
>> There you go.

1880
00:58:05,280 --> 00:58:08,559
>> Wow.

1881
00:58:06,159 --> 00:58:09,279
>> That's crazy. How many planes

1882
00:58:08,559 --> 00:58:11,280
are out there?

1883
00:58:09,280 --> 00:58:14,720
>> I flew over it probably 20 years ago.

1884
00:58:11,280 --> 00:58:14,960
But I mean there's

1885
00:58:14,719 --> 00:58:16,000
>> Yeah,

1886
00:58:14,960 --> 00:58:17,679
>> that wasn't a

1887
00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:18,880
>> I don't know how long I mean but if you

1888
00:58:17,679 --> 00:58:20,879
think of probably the cost of one of

1889
00:58:18,880 --> 00:58:22,079
those little Cessnas probably wasn't I

1890
00:58:20,880 --> 00:58:24,318
mean with the amount of drugs they were

1891
00:58:22,079 --> 00:58:26,160
moving on on Yeah. There you go.

1892
00:58:24,318 --> 00:58:27,358
wild.

1893
00:58:26,159 --> 00:58:29,039
>> That's great. They're kind of landing

1894
00:58:27,358 --> 00:58:30,000
where it's sort of shallow. [laughter]

1895
00:58:29,039 --> 00:58:30,960
>> Yeah. They land and it's like

1896
00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:32,880
it. We can swim

1897
00:58:30,960 --> 00:58:35,280
>> 5 to 10 feet of water and what do they

1898
00:58:32,880 --> 00:58:36,160
they land at whatever 55 knots. So you

1899
00:58:35,280 --> 00:58:39,200
just try to

1900
00:58:36,159 --> 00:58:41,759
>> looks nice too like sure you can

1901
00:58:39,199 --> 00:58:44,480
be comfortable but I mean Sully landed a

1902
00:58:41,760 --> 00:58:48,480
737 or whatever it was in water.

1903
00:58:44,480 --> 00:58:50,639
>> Yeah. wild. What a crazy part of

1904
00:58:48,480 --> 00:58:51,039
our culture that that happened.

1905
00:58:50,639 --> 00:58:53,118
>> Yeah.

1906
00:58:51,039 --> 00:58:55,358
>> That the the the whole cocaine run

1907
00:58:53,119 --> 00:58:57,599
during the 80s in particular like Miami

1908
00:58:55,358 --> 00:58:59,358
Vice all that like it's like it

1909
00:58:57,599 --> 00:58:59,920
shaped the entire country

1910
00:58:59,358 --> 00:59:02,239
>> for sure.

1911
00:58:59,920 --> 00:59:03,920
>> Oh yeah. I just remember that one guy in

1912
00:59:02,239 --> 00:59:05,358
that documentary who was like I think he

1913
00:59:03,920 --> 00:59:06,720
was from Boston and he was like the

1914
00:59:05,358 --> 00:59:08,078
pilot and he had figured out the route

1915
00:59:06,719 --> 00:59:09,439
and he was like man

1916
00:59:08,079 --> 00:59:11,599
>> like we could have gotten away with this

1917
00:59:09,440 --> 00:59:13,119
forever. [laughter]

1918
00:59:11,599 --> 00:59:14,640
>> It was somebody talked and he knew

1919
00:59:13,119 --> 00:59:16,559
that's the only way we would have been

1920
00:59:14,639 --> 00:59:17,759
caught. He was like I I had it all. He

1921
00:59:16,559 --> 00:59:19,599
was clearly really smart.

1922
00:59:17,760 --> 00:59:21,119
>> One of the guys did too. You know what I

1923
00:59:19,599 --> 00:59:22,640
mean? There's a whole lot of people out

1924
00:59:21,119 --> 00:59:24,079
there that were like yeah we had a nice

1925
00:59:22,639 --> 00:59:25,679
run back. [laughter]

1926
00:59:24,079 --> 00:59:26,480
>> It's why I got eight houses. You know

1927
00:59:25,679 --> 00:59:29,199
it's like

1928
00:59:26,480 --> 00:59:30,798
>> Oh yeah. That's one of the real crimes

1929
00:59:29,199 --> 00:59:32,399
that people got away with was bringing

1930
00:59:30,798 --> 00:59:33,759
cocaine into this country. There's a lot

1931
00:59:32,400 --> 00:59:35,680
of people that got very wealthy,

1932
00:59:33,760 --> 00:59:36,400
including banks, which is just really

1933
00:59:35,679 --> 00:59:38,719
crazy.

1934
00:59:36,400 --> 00:59:40,400
>> Banks or the jewelry companies,

1935
00:59:38,719 --> 00:59:42,239
Jag. There was like more Jaguar

1936
00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:43,760
dealerships in Miami than everywhere

1937
00:59:42,239 --> 00:59:45,598
else in the country. And it was like

1938
00:59:43,760 --> 00:59:46,960
doesn't pay to ask questions. So, yep. I

1939
00:59:45,599 --> 00:59:47,280
guess a lot of people like our cars

1940
00:59:46,960 --> 00:59:50,159
here.

1941
00:59:47,280 --> 00:59:51,440
>> You don't say all cash. Sure. [laughter]

1942
00:59:50,159 --> 00:59:53,279
>> Yeah, we can make you a deal. Sure.

1943
00:59:51,440 --> 00:59:55,679
Well, how many backyards in Miami still

1944
00:59:53,280 --> 00:59:57,040
to this day have bags just buried

1945
00:59:55,679 --> 00:59:58,879
somewhere that nobody knows about?

1946
00:59:57,039 --> 01:00:00,480
>> It's probably worth just checking.

1947
00:59:58,880 --> 01:00:01,119
>> When you buy a house in Miami, just dig

1948
01:00:00,480 --> 01:00:02,400
the yard up.

1949
01:00:01,119 --> 01:00:04,720
>> Well, at least find out who owned it

1950
01:00:02,400 --> 01:00:06,400
before you. Oh, he's a pilot.

1951
01:00:04,719 --> 01:00:08,558
>> Get a truck. [laughter]

1952
01:00:06,400 --> 01:00:10,639
>> Get a tractor. It's time to dig up the

1953
01:00:08,559 --> 01:00:12,319
backyard. I mean, one of those guys in

1954
01:00:10,639 --> 01:00:13,838
the films had millions of dollars just

1955
01:00:12,318 --> 01:00:14,558
buried in his backyard. They had nowhere

1956
01:00:13,838 --> 01:00:15,838
to put it.

1957
01:00:14,559 --> 01:00:17,519
>> They were making so much money, they

1958
01:00:15,838 --> 01:00:19,039
just had to bury it places.

1959
01:00:17,519 --> 01:00:21,440
>> That's crazy. Well, it's why

1960
01:00:19,039 --> 01:00:24,239
it's a perfect backdrop for the film,

1961
01:00:21,440 --> 01:00:26,079
you know, because you know that the

1962
01:00:24,239 --> 01:00:27,358
situation that the cops without giving

1963
01:00:26,079 --> 01:00:28,640
away too much of the plot, but the

1964
01:00:27,358 --> 01:00:30,798
situation that the cops are dealing with

1965
01:00:28,639 --> 01:00:33,838
is a very real situation. I mean, so

1966
01:00:30,798 --> 01:00:36,079
many DEA agents turn dirty. So many cops

1967
01:00:33,838 --> 01:00:37,519
turn dirty. It's because it just get

1968
01:00:36,079 --> 01:00:39,519
temptation. It's like you take this

1969
01:00:37,519 --> 01:00:41,358
these people, you know, you got like

1970
01:00:39,519 --> 01:00:42,719
six, seven people, they work for

1971
01:00:41,358 --> 01:00:44,880
a living. They have the same

1972
01:00:42,719 --> 01:00:47,439
they have to deal with. And there's $20

1973
01:00:44,880 --> 01:00:49,680
million, you know, and it's I mean it

1974
01:00:47,440 --> 01:00:51,039
makes for a great like drama too. Even

1975
01:00:49,679 --> 01:00:52,159
like the you know in the performances

1976
01:00:51,039 --> 01:00:54,318
because all of a sudden somebody's

1977
01:00:52,159 --> 01:00:56,159
thinking like okay how are they going to

1978
01:00:54,318 --> 01:00:58,000
react you know who be the first person

1979
01:00:56,159 --> 01:01:00,000
to say you I'm going to have to turn

1980
01:00:58,000 --> 01:01:02,000
this all in you know and and like

1981
01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:04,639
getting to play that And for me

1982
01:01:02,000 --> 01:01:06,559
also I like you know without being you

1983
01:01:04,639 --> 01:01:08,558
know sanctimonious or preachy because I

1984
01:01:06,559 --> 01:01:10,079
really think movies we're talking about

1985
01:01:08,559 --> 01:01:12,400
like what they do well what they do very

1986
01:01:10,079 --> 01:01:13,839
poorly is deliver messages or lecture.

1987
01:01:12,400 --> 01:01:14,880
as soon as you get into that thing.

1988
01:01:13,838 --> 01:01:16,318
>> Yeah.

1989
01:01:14,880 --> 01:01:17,760
>> The audience is like, I you know, I'm

1990
01:01:16,318 --> 01:01:19,440
going to go to church for that or

1991
01:01:17,760 --> 01:01:22,160
school for I don't need that

1992
01:01:19,440 --> 01:01:24,480
here. Um, but I like that what was

1993
01:01:22,159 --> 01:01:27,598
underneath it is like this is a

1994
01:01:24,480 --> 01:01:29,599
hard job and and that there's a lot like

1995
01:01:27,599 --> 01:01:30,960
there's a lot of value like the these

1996
01:01:29,599 --> 01:01:32,400
characters, the ones that are trying to

1997
01:01:30,960 --> 01:01:34,480
do their job are trying to get through

1998
01:01:32,400 --> 01:01:36,079
the day and just at the end of the day

1999
01:01:34,480 --> 01:01:38,159
have done their job like they said they

2000
01:01:36,079 --> 01:01:39,760
were going to do, you know, adhere to

2001
01:01:38,159 --> 01:01:41,118
the ethics that they're supposed

2002
01:01:39,760 --> 01:01:42,480
to and at the end of the day be able to

2003
01:01:41,119 --> 01:01:45,358
sleep at night and believe there's some

2004
01:01:42,480 --> 01:01:46,639
value in not stealing the money

2005
01:01:45,358 --> 01:01:48,159
or flipping somebody over, you know what

2006
01:01:46,639 --> 01:01:50,000
I mean? And doing all that And

2007
01:01:48,159 --> 01:01:52,000
that's the win. The wind doesn't have to

2008
01:01:50,000 --> 01:01:54,318
be get away with the bag of money or

2009
01:01:52,000 --> 01:01:56,480
you know save the world from uh

2010
01:01:54,318 --> 01:01:58,400
you know the evil scientist laser beam

2011
01:01:56,480 --> 01:01:59,679
or whatever. It's like the end of the

2012
01:01:58,400 --> 01:02:01,760
day if you can live with

2013
01:01:59,679 --> 01:02:02,879
yourself and say look you know I quitted

2014
01:02:01,760 --> 01:02:04,880
myself according to what the

2015
01:02:02,880 --> 01:02:07,200
expectations were and what my true to my

2016
01:02:04,880 --> 01:02:09,039
word and I I think there's so like

2017
01:02:07,199 --> 01:02:10,719
that's a I don't know that that affected

2018
01:02:09,039 --> 01:02:13,039
me. I I found that kind of moving and

2019
01:02:10,719 --> 01:02:15,039
and you can't do it if you create like

2020
01:02:13,039 --> 01:02:16,480
if you to credit to Joe Script like just

2021
01:02:15,039 --> 01:02:17,920
two dimensional characters. I'm the

2022
01:02:16,480 --> 01:02:19,599
hero, I'm the villain or this person

2023
01:02:17,920 --> 01:02:21,599
would never do that. They all have to be

2024
01:02:19,599 --> 01:02:22,400
real people like you would be subject to

2025
01:02:21,599 --> 01:02:24,480
like

2026
01:02:22,400 --> 01:02:25,920
>> temptation. Money just represents

2027
01:02:24,480 --> 01:02:27,280
whatever that thing is you think you

2028
01:02:25,920 --> 01:02:29,039
want or that's going to make your life

2029
01:02:27,280 --> 01:02:31,839
better. You're you know it's something

2030
01:02:29,039 --> 01:02:33,440
different to everybody. But, you know,

2031
01:02:31,838 --> 01:02:35,358
and especially when you're like you're

2032
01:02:33,440 --> 01:02:36,880
facing like real, you know, the custody

2033
01:02:35,358 --> 01:02:39,279
thing or the, you know, the sick

2034
01:02:36,880 --> 01:02:41,358
relative or or whatever it is, that's

2035
01:02:39,280 --> 01:02:43,440
it's a real thing. Nobody's immune to to

2036
01:02:41,358 --> 01:02:45,039
to that kind of temptation. You know,

2037
01:02:43,440 --> 01:02:46,559
sometimes I think it's cavalier to be

2038
01:02:45,039 --> 01:02:48,960
like, "Oh, well, you're dirty." You're

2039
01:02:46,559 --> 01:02:50,480
not putting people in a very tough

2040
01:02:48,960 --> 01:02:52,720
situation a lot of times, particularly

2041
01:02:50,480 --> 01:02:54,559
if they're feeling like undervalued. I

2042
01:02:52,719 --> 01:02:56,480
like the woman scene where Catalina is

2043
01:02:54,559 --> 01:02:58,160
like, "I get pissed. I get

2044
01:02:56,480 --> 01:03:00,159
yelled at. I get on." You know what

2045
01:02:58,159 --> 01:03:01,279
I mean? like I'm out here grinding every

2046
01:03:00,159 --> 01:03:04,480
day.

2047
01:03:01,280 --> 01:03:06,880
>> You know, it's uh it's a lot to a lot to

2048
01:03:04,480 --> 01:03:09,760
ask and I think it's it's worth kind of

2049
01:03:06,880 --> 01:03:11,838
making that, you know, heroic without

2050
01:03:09,760 --> 01:03:13,839
sort of indicating too much.

2051
01:03:11,838 --> 01:03:15,440
>> No, it's really well written because

2052
01:03:13,838 --> 01:03:16,960
there's no suspension of disbelief

2053
01:03:15,440 --> 01:03:19,440
moments. It's a it's a and that's hard

2054
01:03:16,960 --> 01:03:21,519
to do in a big blockbuster action movie.

2055
01:03:19,440 --> 01:03:23,119
There's always one movie moment in a

2056
01:03:21,519 --> 01:03:24,559
movie where you're like, "What? Come on.

2057
01:03:23,119 --> 01:03:25,760
How do you do that? That's

2058
01:03:24,559 --> 01:03:27,359
>> convenient." You guys don't have any of

2059
01:03:25,760 --> 01:03:30,079
those. There's none of that. And I loved

2060
01:03:27,358 --> 01:03:32,159
it. I loved it. I loved that that aspect

2061
01:03:30,079 --> 01:03:33,839
of it too where it felt like all of it

2062
01:03:32,159 --> 01:03:34,798
was like I believed it.

2063
01:03:33,838 --> 01:03:36,400
>> I believed it.

2064
01:03:34,798 --> 01:03:37,838
>> And that that's really a credit to Joe

2065
01:03:36,400 --> 01:03:39,680
and his like taste [clears throat] and

2066
01:03:37,838 --> 01:03:41,519
that's why we really thought like this

2067
01:03:39,679 --> 01:03:43,919
guy knew how to make narc. He kind of

2068
01:03:41,519 --> 01:03:45,358
obviously understood this world and

2069
01:03:43,920 --> 01:03:47,838
understood that it has to

2070
01:03:45,358 --> 01:03:49,679
>> above all it has to feel real and that's

2071
01:03:47,838 --> 01:03:51,279
why he was open to like okay whatever

2072
01:03:49,679 --> 01:03:52,798
happens you throw in a line maybe it's

2073
01:03:51,280 --> 01:03:54,640
good. can't get your feeling hurt if

2074
01:03:52,798 --> 01:03:56,400
it's not, you know, but like you got to

2075
01:03:54,639 --> 01:03:58,318
be able to take that shot and we're all

2076
01:03:56,400 --> 01:03:59,519
down, you know, trying to spend time

2077
01:03:58,318 --> 01:04:01,199
with people. I mean, I kind of feel for

2078
01:03:59,519 --> 01:04:02,400
these cops, a bunch of actors descend on

2079
01:04:01,199 --> 01:04:03,583
you and they're like, "What what kind of

2080
01:04:02,400 --> 01:04:04,079
sweatshirt is that?" You know,

2081
01:04:03,583 --> 01:04:05,838
[laughter]

2082
01:04:04,079 --> 01:04:07,039
>> it was like that Michael J. Fox, James

2083
01:04:05,838 --> 01:04:09,119
Woods [snorts] movie. Remember that

2084
01:04:07,039 --> 01:04:11,039
movie when he I forget what it was

2085
01:04:09,119 --> 01:04:12,960
called, but he's Michael J. Fox is an

2086
01:04:11,039 --> 01:04:14,640
actor following around James Woods. He's

2087
01:04:12,960 --> 01:04:16,318
he's studying him for a character and

2088
01:04:14,639 --> 01:04:17,199
James Woods is a real like detective and

2089
01:04:16,318 --> 01:04:18,719
he's just like,

2090
01:04:17,199 --> 01:04:19,439
>> "Get this guy away from me." I kept

2091
01:04:18,719 --> 01:04:20,239
thinking of that

2092
01:04:19,440 --> 01:04:22,579
>> kind of hair gel you use.

2093
01:04:20,239 --> 01:04:24,479
>> Yeah. Yeah. like all these questions,

2094
01:04:22,579 --> 01:04:26,240
[laughter] you know, but they were very

2095
01:04:24,480 --> 01:04:29,199
tolerant of us, which was which was nice

2096
01:04:26,239 --> 01:04:31,679
and and uh and uh and really really

2097
01:04:29,199 --> 01:04:34,078
helpful, you know, because it's all it's

2098
01:04:31,679 --> 01:04:36,798
always details. It's always details.

2099
01:04:34,079 --> 01:04:39,119
It's like how fastidiously do you do you

2100
01:04:36,798 --> 01:04:40,798
kind of mind for those details? Cuz I'm

2101
01:04:39,119 --> 01:04:42,000
I've always been convinced that like an

2102
01:04:40,798 --> 01:04:43,440
audience,

2103
01:04:42,000 --> 01:04:45,358
>> it's like you were saying, they don't

2104
01:04:43,440 --> 01:04:47,679
analyze why they don't believe

2105
01:04:45,358 --> 01:04:48,480
something. They feel it. They just don't

2106
01:04:47,679 --> 01:04:51,279
believe it.

2107
01:04:48,480 --> 01:04:52,880
>> And it's usually because those details

2108
01:04:51,280 --> 01:04:54,480
are you you don't get those

2109
01:04:52,880 --> 01:04:56,720
>> and that's the only thing like I'm not

2110
01:04:54,480 --> 01:04:58,798
great at imagining something let's

2111
01:04:56,719 --> 01:05:01,279
invent this everything that I've done

2112
01:04:58,798 --> 01:05:02,559
like that I that I like is been a result

2113
01:05:01,280 --> 01:05:04,960
of something I found to research like

2114
01:05:02,559 --> 01:05:07,359
for the town I went down and just went

2115
01:05:04,960 --> 01:05:08,720
through the you know all the prisons you

2116
01:05:07,358 --> 01:05:10,798
know out there in Massachusetts federal

2117
01:05:08,719 --> 01:05:12,798
prisons state prisons and sat down and

2118
01:05:10,798 --> 01:05:15,358
talked to guys who robbed trucks and

2119
01:05:12,798 --> 01:05:16,559
banks and you know kind of sometimes you

2120
01:05:15,358 --> 01:05:18,558
know you want to know and then sat down

2121
01:05:16,559 --> 01:05:20,559
with the FBI guys and was like what are

2122
01:05:18,559 --> 01:05:22,480
they like and the great you know,

2123
01:05:20,559 --> 01:05:25,519
for me is that, you know, and I'm in

2124
01:05:22,480 --> 01:05:27,280
like uh I'm in like wet wallpap or I'm

2125
01:05:25,519 --> 01:05:29,920
in the prison denim or whatever and I'm

2126
01:05:27,280 --> 01:05:31,440
to some guy I said like after talking

2127
01:05:29,920 --> 01:05:33,280
for two hours, you know, I was like,

2128
01:05:31,440 --> 01:05:34,559
"Does anything just weird ever

2129
01:05:33,280 --> 01:05:36,798
happened or up? Anything you

2130
01:05:34,559 --> 01:05:39,119
remember?" The guy was like, "Yeah, one

2131
01:05:36,798 --> 01:05:41,119
time uh you know, we were coming out of

2132
01:05:39,119 --> 01:05:42,400
this thing, we robbed his truck and you

2133
01:05:41,119 --> 01:05:43,760
know, we we had the mask, we got the

2134
01:05:42,400 --> 01:05:45,358
switch car, we drove around the corner

2135
01:05:43,760 --> 01:05:47,280
and whatever. We pull up and we get out

2136
01:05:45,358 --> 01:05:49,838
guns and the mass hold things

2137
01:05:47,280 --> 01:05:51,920
and we look over and it's this cop

2138
01:05:49,838 --> 01:05:53,440
sitting there doing construction duty

2139
01:05:51,920 --> 01:05:55,358
and I was like right then didn't even

2140
01:05:53,440 --> 01:05:57,440
tell me the story. I was like oh I

2141
01:05:55,358 --> 01:06:01,199
was like what happened? He goes, you

2142
01:05:57,440 --> 01:06:02,720
know, he looked at us, we looked at him,

2143
01:06:01,199 --> 01:06:03,038
he looked the other way.

2144
01:06:02,719 --> 01:06:04,318
>> Whoa.

2145
01:06:03,039 --> 01:06:05,440
>> And I was like, really? He goes, yeah,

2146
01:06:04,318 --> 01:06:07,440
he didn't want to end up on the wall at

2147
01:06:05,440 --> 01:06:08,000
the VFW.

2148
01:06:07,440 --> 01:06:09,920
>> It was like

2149
01:06:08,000 --> 01:06:12,798
>> these guys with full automatic weapons,

2150
01:06:09,920 --> 01:06:13,519
masks on switching cars. I was like,

2151
01:06:12,798 --> 01:06:13,759
"All right, I'm putting that in the

2152
01:06:13,519 --> 01:06:15,838
movie."

2153
01:06:13,760 --> 01:06:18,000
>> And it's it's in the it's a great moment

2154
01:06:15,838 --> 01:06:19,440
in the town, like in the movie cuz you

2155
01:06:18,000 --> 01:06:21,838
know, Rener, they all jump out of the

2156
01:06:19,440 --> 01:06:22,400
things and then and he Oh, yeah. Here it

2157
01:06:21,838 --> 01:06:23,519
is.

2158
01:06:22,400 --> 01:06:24,240
>> Exactly.

2159
01:06:23,519 --> 01:06:26,400
>> It was like

2160
01:06:24,239 --> 01:06:29,279
>> It's great. And it's this awkward.

2161
01:06:26,400 --> 01:06:33,358
>> They just stop and dude.

2162
01:06:29,280 --> 01:06:34,240
>> He sees him. They see him.

2163
01:06:33,358 --> 01:06:37,798
>> He's [clears throat] like a We

2164
01:06:34,239 --> 01:06:37,798
have to kill this guy.

2165
01:06:38,400 --> 01:06:44,061
>> Nope. He turns away.

2166
01:06:40,559 --> 01:06:44,400
>> Okay. Wow.

2167
01:06:44,061 --> 01:06:45,920
[laughter]

2168
01:06:44,400 --> 01:06:48,960
>> It's such a great But that's straight

2169
01:06:45,920 --> 01:06:51,119
from research. I always love that story.

2170
01:06:48,960 --> 01:06:52,318
Um and then he and then the line is here

2171
01:06:51,119 --> 01:06:54,720
that he put it here

2172
01:06:52,318 --> 01:06:56,318
>> and one on the wall of BFW. Yeah. It was

2173
01:06:54,719 --> 01:06:58,159
a great, you know, it's a great line.

2174
01:06:56,318 --> 01:06:59,440
>> It was such a simple explanation for

2175
01:06:58,159 --> 01:07:01,598
what why do you think what do you think

2176
01:06:59,440 --> 01:07:03,200
he did, you know, and why? Like

2177
01:07:01,599 --> 01:07:05,519
>> and that's exactly what it would have

2178
01:07:03,199 --> 01:07:06,558
been like that guy next day's picture

2179
01:07:05,519 --> 01:07:07,358
would have been up in the wall at the

2180
01:07:06,559 --> 01:07:07,680
VFW.

2181
01:07:07,358 --> 01:07:09,119
>> Yeah. [snorts]

2182
01:07:07,679 --> 01:07:11,118
>> You know, and he knew it and everybody

2183
01:07:09,119 --> 01:07:13,599
knew it. He said he didn't want to do it

2184
01:07:11,119 --> 01:07:15,280
like that. You know, that was and that

2185
01:07:13,599 --> 01:07:18,400
that kind of stuff is uh I don't know.

2186
01:07:15,280 --> 01:07:20,240
It's very human human calculations and

2187
01:07:18,400 --> 01:07:22,639
interact. I a very extreme version of

2188
01:07:20,239 --> 01:07:24,318
it, but it also doesn't have sometimes.

2189
01:07:22,639 --> 01:07:26,318
It's not dramatic at all, you know? It's

2190
01:07:24,318 --> 01:07:27,679
like that was an easy decision and the

2191
01:07:26,318 --> 01:07:29,759
guy never says anything. I didn't say

2192
01:07:27,679 --> 01:07:32,399
anything, you know, and kind of can't

2193
01:07:29,760 --> 01:07:34,079
really blame him, you know? It's uh

2194
01:07:32,400 --> 01:07:36,079
>> The Town was a great movie, too,

2195
01:07:34,079 --> 01:07:38,480
man. And I I knew a lot of people like

2196
01:07:36,079 --> 01:07:40,798
that, you know, from boxing gyms and

2197
01:07:38,480 --> 01:07:42,480
stuff. I I knew a guy who was a hitman

2198
01:07:40,798 --> 01:07:44,400
for Whitey Bulier.

2199
01:07:42,480 --> 01:07:46,318
>> I knew a guy who was a a friend of a

2200
01:07:44,400 --> 01:07:48,798
brother of mine who went to jail for

2201
01:07:46,318 --> 01:07:49,199
that for murder for killing people.

2202
01:07:48,798 --> 01:07:50,318
>> Yeah.

2203
01:07:49,199 --> 01:07:53,279
>> What town did you grow up in?

2204
01:07:50,318 --> 01:07:54,880
>> I lived in Newton. I Yeah. I grew up in

2205
01:07:53,280 --> 01:07:56,640
I lived in Jamaica playing for a little

2206
01:07:54,880 --> 01:07:58,400
while and I lived in Newton, but I I

2207
01:07:56,639 --> 01:08:00,318
spent a lot of time in Boston because I

2208
01:07:58,400 --> 01:08:02,240
was fighting. I was mostly training. And

2209
01:08:00,318 --> 01:08:03,759
so I was around a lot of these like very

2210
01:08:02,239 --> 01:08:06,078
shady characters

2211
01:08:03,760 --> 01:08:08,400
>> who were in the fighting world and a lot

2212
01:08:06,079 --> 01:08:10,079
of them had backgrounds in crime.

2213
01:08:08,400 --> 01:08:11,838
one of the guys that I went to that I

2214
01:08:10,079 --> 01:08:14,240
trained with, he went to jail for a

2215
01:08:11,838 --> 01:08:18,158
little while and then he got uh arrested

2216
01:08:14,239 --> 01:08:20,639
because a guy got killed and they broke

2217
01:08:18,158 --> 01:08:22,639
every bone in his body with a hammer and

2218
01:08:20,640 --> 01:08:24,798
kept injecting him with cocaine to keep

2219
01:08:22,640 --> 01:08:26,798
him keep him awake while they were doing

2220
01:08:24,798 --> 01:08:28,079
it and then they cut his hands off and

2221
01:08:26,798 --> 01:08:29,759
cut his head off. Jesus.

2222
01:08:28,079 --> 01:08:31,119
>> And this guy that I used to train with

2223
01:08:29,759 --> 01:08:31,759
got arrested for that.

2224
01:08:31,119 --> 01:08:33,759
>> Jesus.

2225
01:08:31,759 --> 01:08:37,119
>> Yeah. He didn't wind up going to jail

2226
01:08:33,759 --> 01:08:39,039
for that. He's dead now, but he was it

2227
01:08:37,119 --> 01:08:40,640
somehow or another at least

2228
01:08:39,039 --> 01:08:42,000
peripherilally involved.

2229
01:08:40,640 --> 01:08:44,798
>> Yeah. Well, I didn't do any fighting,

2230
01:08:42,000 --> 01:08:46,000
but I I went around and found a lot of

2231
01:08:44,798 --> 01:08:48,158
the one of the things about be, you

2232
01:08:46,000 --> 01:08:49,759
know, being an actor, people will talk

2233
01:08:48,158 --> 01:08:51,439
to you, you know, which is a

2234
01:08:49,759 --> 01:08:53,039
amazing gift. Even if somebody's like,

2235
01:08:51,439 --> 01:08:55,198
"Oh yeah, I killed guys." You know,

2236
01:08:53,039 --> 01:08:56,479
they'll just come out and like it's kind

2237
01:08:55,198 --> 01:08:57,759
of the rules all of a sudden don't

2238
01:08:56,479 --> 01:08:58,718
apply. Like these guys in the prison,

2239
01:08:57,759 --> 01:08:59,920
what the are they going to talk?

2240
01:08:58,719 --> 01:09:02,000
You know what I mean? But they're like

2241
01:08:59,920 --> 01:09:04,079
interested in it for whatever. And you

2242
01:09:02,000 --> 01:09:05,759
know, so so you avail yourself of that

2243
01:09:04,079 --> 01:09:08,158
and and then I had like, you know, we

2244
01:09:05,759 --> 01:09:09,679
had people around that movie who

2245
01:09:08,158 --> 01:09:12,238
everybody knew, yeah, he did that job.

2246
01:09:09,679 --> 01:09:13,759
He he never got arrested. And so like,

2247
01:09:12,238 --> 01:09:16,000
yeah, people, you know, meet PE, you

2248
01:09:13,759 --> 01:09:18,640
know, and and uh and talk to him. And

2249
01:09:16,000 --> 01:09:20,640
it's interesting because the such a good

2250
01:09:18,640 --> 01:09:22,960
lesson for for doing this job which is

2251
01:09:20,640 --> 01:09:25,679
that they're never how you think they're

2252
01:09:22,960 --> 01:09:26,719
supposed to be like the murderer person,

2253
01:09:25,679 --> 01:09:28,319
you know, there's always something a

2254
01:09:26,719 --> 01:09:29,920
little I remember one guy was supposed

2255
01:09:28,319 --> 01:09:31,600
to be like this really violent kind of

2256
01:09:29,920 --> 01:09:33,520
loose cannon

2257
01:09:31,600 --> 01:09:35,679
>> guy who supposedly had done all this

2258
01:09:33,520 --> 01:09:38,159
stabbed and killed two people

2259
01:09:35,679 --> 01:09:40,798
Faniel Hall and shot these guys in a in

2260
01:09:38,158 --> 01:09:42,960
a robbery and he like shows up with his

2261
01:09:40,798 --> 01:09:44,640
polo shirt kind of tucked in, you know,

2262
01:09:42,960 --> 01:09:46,319
how's it going? you know, just like I

2263
01:09:44,640 --> 01:09:47,679
never would have put this guy on

2264
01:09:46,319 --> 01:09:48,719
killing [laughter] four people,

2265
01:09:47,679 --> 01:09:50,480
you know what I mean? And they got to

2266
01:09:48,719 --> 01:09:51,920
have a good time. So, I love that one

2267
01:09:50,479 --> 01:09:54,959
movie and you're just thinking,

2268
01:09:51,920 --> 01:09:56,719
man. Like, this is what And it's a

2269
01:09:54,960 --> 01:09:58,800
really good lesson for like, you know,

2270
01:09:56,719 --> 01:10:00,158
we tend to read a script and okay, this

2271
01:09:58,800 --> 01:10:02,320
guy's the tough guy and he's going to be

2272
01:10:00,158 --> 01:10:03,599
the it's like you work with like I have

2273
01:10:02,319 --> 01:10:05,519
the like the opportunity to

2274
01:10:03,600 --> 01:10:08,159
train with these Delta guys like you

2275
01:10:05,520 --> 01:10:11,199
know, it's the most elite special forces

2276
01:10:08,158 --> 01:10:12,479
combat operators in the world. I

2277
01:10:11,198 --> 01:10:13,839
mean, I suppose the seals will take

2278
01:10:12,479 --> 01:10:15,119
exception to that, but what just

2279
01:10:13,840 --> 01:10:16,719
numerically, right? I think there's been

2280
01:10:15,119 --> 01:10:20,158
less than 900 guys ever in the history

2281
01:10:16,719 --> 01:10:21,600
of Delta. You meet them and it's they're

2282
01:10:20,158 --> 01:10:22,960
not the biggest guys. They're not the

2283
01:10:21,600 --> 01:10:24,719
toughest guys. They're not trying to

2284
01:10:22,960 --> 01:10:28,319
be hard and, you know, they're

2285
01:10:24,719 --> 01:10:29,600
the most relaxed at ease and it, you

2286
01:10:28,319 --> 01:10:31,599
know, I found myself just being like

2287
01:10:29,600 --> 01:10:33,760
finally I was like, what can I just ask

2288
01:10:31,600 --> 01:10:35,760
what do you think makes somebody like

2289
01:10:33,760 --> 01:10:38,159
qualify for the the Delta Force? Like

2290
01:10:35,760 --> 01:10:41,520
what's a good Delta operator? He's like,

2291
01:10:38,158 --> 01:10:43,039
"Uh, you know, problem solving."

2292
01:10:41,520 --> 01:10:44,000
Problem solving? The guy goes, "Yeah,

2293
01:10:43,039 --> 01:10:45,103
it's probably like your job." I was

2294
01:10:44,000 --> 01:10:46,158
like, "No, let me take notice.

2295
01:10:45,103 --> 01:10:47,600
[laughter]

2296
01:10:46,158 --> 01:10:50,238
It's really not like my job." I

2297
01:10:47,600 --> 01:10:51,600
appreciate it. A very big

2298
01:10:50,238 --> 01:10:53,119
difference. He's like, "Yeah, you solve

2299
01:10:51,600 --> 01:10:54,400
problems like trying to kill me." See,

2300
01:10:53,119 --> 01:10:55,840
that's the thing. [laughter]

2301
01:10:54,399 --> 01:10:58,559
But that that [snorts] was the closest

2302
01:10:55,840 --> 01:11:00,000
insight I got to it, which was I've

2303
01:10:58,560 --> 01:11:01,840
always kind of thought this about like a

2304
01:11:00,000 --> 01:11:05,039
guys like like Brady or something.

2305
01:11:01,840 --> 01:11:07,440
There's guys that just don't get tight

2306
01:11:05,039 --> 01:11:09,279
and that they they are kind of able to

2307
01:11:07,439 --> 01:11:10,960
problem solve when the problem is like,

2308
01:11:09,279 --> 01:11:12,880
well, that helicopter's crashed and

2309
01:11:10,960 --> 01:11:14,640
we're 200 miles inside Afghanistan and

2310
01:11:12,880 --> 01:11:15,920
we're outnumbered six to one.

2311
01:11:14,640 --> 01:11:18,239
How do you think we should get home?

2312
01:11:15,920 --> 01:11:20,399
like just having your wits about you to

2313
01:11:18,238 --> 01:11:22,399
make that calculation while by the way

2314
01:11:20,399 --> 01:11:24,399
you're in a gunfight and things

2315
01:11:22,399 --> 01:11:25,679
you know I'm sure that does make cuz

2316
01:11:24,399 --> 01:11:27,920
those are the people where it was I'd be

2317
01:11:25,679 --> 01:11:30,640
in a panic and I have no idea

2318
01:11:27,920 --> 01:11:32,800
what to do and you get like attracted to

2319
01:11:30,640 --> 01:11:34,480
the person who who's like seems to have

2320
01:11:32,800 --> 01:11:36,000
it like hey I'm it's good we're going to

2321
01:11:34,479 --> 01:11:38,238
be okay everybody get your we're

2322
01:11:36,000 --> 01:11:39,920
going over here you'll just follow that

2323
01:11:38,238 --> 01:11:41,839
guy you know what I mean

2324
01:11:39,920 --> 01:11:43,119
>> and uh but it's a good it's not always

2325
01:11:41,840 --> 01:11:44,239
the most

2326
01:11:43,119 --> 01:11:46,079
>> maybe it's just because they're so

2327
01:11:44,238 --> 01:11:47,519
confident they're not like I Like I

2328
01:11:46,079 --> 01:11:48,960
don't need to prove that I can kick

2329
01:11:47,520 --> 01:11:50,960
anybody's ass. I don't even get it in

2330
01:11:48,960 --> 01:11:52,560
fights like have a weapon, you know what

2331
01:11:50,960 --> 01:11:56,158
I mean? [laughter] It's kind of like

2332
01:11:52,560 --> 01:11:58,640
it's it's just a it surprises me what it

2333
01:11:56,158 --> 01:12:00,399
how those kinds of like extraordinary

2334
01:11:58,640 --> 01:12:02,480
experiences in people or extraordinary

2335
01:12:00,399 --> 01:12:04,238
people don't always manifest themselves

2336
01:12:02,479 --> 01:12:06,000
in how they show up,

2337
01:12:04,238 --> 01:12:08,718
>> right? We have caricatures in our head

2338
01:12:06,000 --> 01:12:10,479
of what like these tough people are

2339
01:12:08,719 --> 01:12:11,840
like. Well, you you see that about MMA

2340
01:12:10,479 --> 01:12:13,198
fighters. Like there's a lot of MMA

2341
01:12:11,840 --> 01:12:15,039
fighters. you meet them, they're like

2342
01:12:13,198 --> 01:12:15,678
the sweetest, nicest, friendliest people

2343
01:12:15,039 --> 01:12:17,920
in the world.

2344
01:12:15,679 --> 01:12:21,039
>> I remember going to one of the events at

2345
01:12:17,920 --> 01:12:24,960
in LA. I think it was a Staples and and

2346
01:12:21,039 --> 01:12:26,960
I was backstage and and was talking to

2347
01:12:24,960 --> 01:12:28,399
uh one of like the lawyers for the UFC

2348
01:12:26,960 --> 01:12:29,840
about we were talking about Conor

2349
01:12:28,399 --> 01:12:32,000
McGregor and he was telling me a great

2350
01:12:29,840 --> 01:12:35,920
story about him and [snorts] this guy

2351
01:12:32,000 --> 01:12:38,158
walks up and he's in a like chinos like

2352
01:12:35,920 --> 01:12:40,399
khaki pants and like a blue button-up

2353
01:12:38,158 --> 01:12:44,399
like you know kind of business shirt

2354
01:12:40,399 --> 01:12:46,238
with spectacles and he's very small and

2355
01:12:44,399 --> 01:12:48,559
I kind of don't really regard him and

2356
01:12:46,238 --> 01:12:50,399
I'm still hearing this story. And then

2357
01:12:48,560 --> 01:12:52,159
Patrick goes, "Matt, do you know Henry?"

2358
01:12:50,399 --> 01:12:55,839
And I turn and it's Henry Cejudo. And

2359
01:12:52,158 --> 01:12:57,599
I'm like, "This guy could wreck

2360
01:12:55,840 --> 01:13:01,520
me, right? [laughter]

2361
01:12:57,600 --> 01:13:03,679
Absolutely destroy me." And he

2362
01:13:01,520 --> 01:13:04,400
and he is the guy that some dummy would

2363
01:13:03,679 --> 01:13:05,119
try to pick on.

2364
01:13:04,399 --> 01:13:07,359
>> Yeah. [clears throat] You know what I

2365
01:13:05,119 --> 01:13:10,158
mean? Like he does not he's not carrying

2366
01:13:07,359 --> 01:13:10,960
himself like he's he just is the thing,

2367
01:13:10,158 --> 01:13:13,359
you know?

2368
01:13:10,960 --> 01:13:14,800
>> And they find out a little bit too late.

2369
01:13:13,359 --> 01:13:15,679
>> Yeah. Don't find that one out late.

2370
01:13:14,800 --> 01:13:17,679
Yeah.

2371
01:13:15,679 --> 01:13:20,399
>> Yeah. A lot of guys do,

2372
01:13:17,679 --> 01:13:21,359
>> unfortunately. Yeah, that's uh it's uh

2373
01:13:20,399 --> 01:13:22,799
well, they don't have to prove

2374
01:13:21,359 --> 01:13:24,719
themselves, right? They do it all the

2375
01:13:22,800 --> 01:13:27,039
time. The same with Delta Force guys.

2376
01:13:24,719 --> 01:13:29,279
Like this idea like this like outwardly

2377
01:13:27,039 --> 01:13:31,279
brash tough guy. Usually that kind of

2378
01:13:29,279 --> 01:13:32,880
machismo and

2379
01:13:31,279 --> 01:13:34,880
>> that's That's you're you're

2380
01:13:32,880 --> 01:13:37,119
using that cuz you're insecure. The

2381
01:13:34,880 --> 01:13:38,719
secure people are very calm and and

2382
01:13:37,119 --> 01:13:40,479
genuinely very friendly.

2383
01:13:38,719 --> 01:13:41,039
>> Really nice. Yeah, that's been my

2384
01:13:40,479 --> 01:13:43,198
experience.

2385
01:13:41,039 --> 01:13:44,560
>> Yeah, it's crazy, right? Beautiful, too.

2386
01:13:43,198 --> 01:13:45,678
You know, I've kind of like

2387
01:13:44,560 --> 01:13:47,840
>> what a great guy. And you feel like

2388
01:13:45,679 --> 01:13:49,039
that's nice of you to be so so sweet to

2389
01:13:47,840 --> 01:13:50,079
me cuz you obviously you don't have to

2390
01:13:49,039 --> 01:13:51,439
be. [laughter]

2391
01:13:50,079 --> 01:13:53,920
>> I'll just give you my watch if you

2392
01:13:51,439 --> 01:13:56,479
wanted that.

2393
01:13:53,920 --> 01:13:58,158
>> Yeah. No, it's it is a fascinating

2394
01:13:56,479 --> 01:14:00,319
thing. It's like we have these ideas in

2395
01:13:58,158 --> 01:14:02,559
our head, these caricatures, you know,

2396
01:14:00,319 --> 01:14:04,079
of what what a a tough man is, what a

2397
01:14:02,560 --> 01:14:04,800
good woman is, what this is, what that

2398
01:14:04,079 --> 01:14:06,880
is. M

2399
01:14:04,800 --> 01:14:09,199
>> as I think one of the beautiful things

2400
01:14:06,880 --> 01:14:11,199
about film when a film is really good is

2401
01:14:09,198 --> 01:14:13,439
you see these complex characters and it

2402
01:14:11,198 --> 01:14:15,519
sort of like reformulates in your mind

2403
01:14:13,439 --> 01:14:16,960
like what a person actually is.

2404
01:14:15,520 --> 01:14:17,840
>> Yeah. It's seeing all kinds of different

2405
01:14:16,960 --> 01:14:20,079
people. Yeah.

2406
01:14:17,840 --> 01:14:20,800
>> You know and and Yeah. Yeah. I

2407
01:14:20,079 --> 01:14:22,238
completely agree.

2408
01:14:20,800 --> 01:14:25,760
>> I mean look the fundamental like

2409
01:14:22,238 --> 01:14:29,119
challenge I think in life and is like

2410
01:14:25,760 --> 01:14:30,800
it's like to find some humility which

2411
01:14:29,119 --> 01:14:32,640
means actually thinking you might be

2412
01:14:30,800 --> 01:14:34,719
wrong about the that you're pretty

2413
01:14:32,640 --> 01:14:36,159
sure about. And it means that like you

2414
01:14:34,719 --> 01:14:38,000
kind of have to assume somebody else

2415
01:14:36,158 --> 01:14:40,319
might have a point, you know? It's not

2416
01:14:38,000 --> 01:14:41,840
like just writing everybody else off who

2417
01:14:40,319 --> 01:14:44,079
disagrees with you because him,

2418
01:14:41,840 --> 01:14:46,079
he's an He's, you know, like

2419
01:14:44,079 --> 01:14:49,119
those are things that actually take work

2420
01:14:46,079 --> 01:14:51,039
to get to because the the first instinct

2421
01:14:49,119 --> 01:14:52,559
because you just defend your idea or

2422
01:14:51,039 --> 01:14:54,719
whatever. It's easier is to just

2423
01:14:52,560 --> 01:14:57,520
>> that it's a zero sum game. Yeah. That

2424
01:14:54,719 --> 01:14:58,880
that two competing ideas can't exist.

2425
01:14:57,520 --> 01:15:01,040
that somebody can't be a good person

2426
01:14:58,880 --> 01:15:03,199
like

2427
01:15:01,039 --> 01:15:04,800
if you decide it's you disagree we don't

2428
01:15:03,198 --> 01:15:06,000
believe so I don't know what about this

2429
01:15:04,800 --> 01:15:07,679
or what about that

2430
01:15:06,000 --> 01:15:09,679
>> but once you find yourself relying on

2431
01:15:07,679 --> 01:15:11,920
like well I need to like zero out this

2432
01:15:09,679 --> 01:15:12,800
person's humanity in order to defend my

2433
01:15:11,920 --> 01:15:14,239
idea

2434
01:15:12,800 --> 01:15:15,679
>> I think that's a pretty good indicator

2435
01:15:14,238 --> 01:15:17,519
that like there's something wrong with

2436
01:15:15,679 --> 01:15:18,960
the way you're thinking like because it

2437
01:15:17,520 --> 01:15:20,640
can't be that you're right about

2438
01:15:18,960 --> 01:15:21,520
everything and everyone else is bad who

2439
01:15:20,640 --> 01:15:22,880
disagrees with you

2440
01:15:21,520 --> 01:15:25,760
>> I think that was one of the most

2441
01:15:22,880 --> 01:15:28,159
interesting things about the Sopranos is

2442
01:15:25,760 --> 01:15:30,000
that the main character The guy that you

2443
01:15:28,158 --> 01:15:30,319
loved was a murderer.

2444
01:15:30,000 --> 01:15:32,319
>> Yeah.

2445
01:15:30,319 --> 01:15:33,599
>> He was like who would murder his

2446
01:15:32,319 --> 01:15:36,880
friends.

2447
01:15:33,600 --> 01:15:38,320
>> He was a a complete mobster and a thug.

2448
01:15:36,880 --> 01:15:39,920
But you really loved him.

2449
01:15:38,319 --> 01:15:42,479
>> Loved the out of cared about. It

2450
01:15:39,920 --> 01:15:44,960
was so complicated.

2451
01:15:42,479 --> 01:15:46,399
My daughter doing the part that you

2452
01:15:44,960 --> 01:15:48,399
found yourself being like, I don't I

2453
01:15:46,399 --> 01:15:49,119
think you probably has to kill him now.

2454
01:15:48,399 --> 01:15:51,439
I gota kill.

2455
01:15:49,119 --> 01:15:53,198
>> That's also that's also great a great

2456
01:15:51,439 --> 01:15:55,519
actor. Like there's a very famous story

2457
01:15:53,198 --> 01:15:58,479
about Marlon Brando when he did street

2458
01:15:55,520 --> 01:16:02,320
car Named Desire and Tennessee Williams

2459
01:15:58,479 --> 01:16:04,639
who wrote it like freaked out because he

2460
01:16:02,319 --> 01:16:06,559
was making Stanley Kowalsski he was

2461
01:16:04,640 --> 01:16:08,640
making people empathize with Stanley

2462
01:16:06,560 --> 01:16:10,159
Kowalsski and Tennessee Williams was

2463
01:16:08,640 --> 01:16:12,159
like but I wrote him as a brute. He's

2464
01:16:10,158 --> 01:16:14,960
this he was like a two-dimensional brute

2465
01:16:12,158 --> 01:16:16,158
who just came and beat up his wife and

2466
01:16:14,960 --> 01:16:17,600
you know and and was just and was

2467
01:16:16,158 --> 01:16:19,920
supposed to be this kind of dark looming

2468
01:16:17,600 --> 01:16:21,280
force over the play. But Brando was

2469
01:16:19,920 --> 01:16:22,560
like, "No, he's a human being and I'm

2470
01:16:21,279 --> 01:16:26,319
gonna play him like a human

2471
01:16:22,560 --> 01:16:29,440
being and and it changed the the play."

2472
01:16:26,319 --> 01:16:31,519
But but Williams reflects life in the

2473
01:16:29,439 --> 01:16:32,960
real world. Everybody's the hero of

2474
01:16:31,520 --> 01:16:34,719
their story. Everyone has the reasons

2475
01:16:32,960 --> 01:16:36,399
for why they're doing and people don't

2476
01:16:34,719 --> 01:16:38,399
set out to be like, I'm just going to or

2477
01:16:36,399 --> 01:16:39,759
hurt someone or dominate the world. Like

2478
01:16:38,399 --> 01:16:41,439
you think, well, I got to protect what I

2479
01:16:39,760 --> 01:16:42,480
have. It's like even, you know, not

2480
01:16:41,439 --> 01:16:44,559
bringing back to this movie, but it's

2481
01:16:42,479 --> 01:16:45,919
like what I liked about RIP was it was

2482
01:16:44,560 --> 01:16:47,920
kind of the slippery slope. you know

2483
01:16:45,920 --> 01:16:49,520
that first time you take a little money

2484
01:16:47,920 --> 01:16:51,039
and then well you know I gota cover that

2485
01:16:49,520 --> 01:16:53,280
I don't want to go to jail and my reason

2486
01:16:51,039 --> 01:16:55,198
why I did that but now I've told a lie

2487
01:16:53,279 --> 01:16:57,279
now I got to cover that thing and now

2488
01:16:55,198 --> 01:16:59,119
you have guys who both live by this code

2489
01:16:57,279 --> 01:17:00,559
that's very hey you protect the people

2490
01:16:59,119 --> 01:17:02,559
who are with you and you got to have

2491
01:17:00,560 --> 01:17:04,880
this and so now it's two people

2492
01:17:02,560 --> 01:17:06,480
are very similar like by that kind of

2493
01:17:04,880 --> 01:17:09,199
slippery slope ultimately find

2494
01:17:06,479 --> 01:17:11,678
themselves you know willing to kill one

2495
01:17:09,198 --> 01:17:13,839
another uh because and it's really not I

2496
01:17:11,679 --> 01:17:15,600
don't I don't believe in that one choice

2497
01:17:13,840 --> 01:17:17,119
turn it's like more how do you find

2498
01:17:15,600 --> 01:17:19,199
yourself, you dig yourself in a

2499
01:17:17,119 --> 01:17:21,039
hole cuz you're just covering up the la

2500
01:17:19,198 --> 01:17:23,519
trying to fix the last problem that's

2501
01:17:21,039 --> 01:17:25,679
arisen, you know, and everybody thinks a

2502
01:17:23,520 --> 01:17:27,440
b is of course the roots for themsel is

2503
01:17:25,679 --> 01:17:28,800
like empathize with themselves. That's

2504
01:17:27,439 --> 01:17:30,319
what we have to be concerned with

2505
01:17:28,800 --> 01:17:33,360
ourselves, our needs, our families, our

2506
01:17:30,319 --> 01:17:35,759
basic It's a hard to expect people

2507
01:17:33,359 --> 01:17:38,238
to go like, "All right, and and and what

2508
01:17:35,760 --> 01:17:41,360
about, you know, like what they think?"

2509
01:17:38,238 --> 01:17:43,359
And I and I think that's I think it's a

2510
01:17:41,359 --> 01:17:44,880
it's a much more honest evaluation of

2511
01:17:43,359 --> 01:17:46,960
people. And it allows for like

2512
01:17:44,880 --> 01:17:49,520
complexity and forgiveness and

2513
01:17:46,960 --> 01:17:51,520
all the that's sort of beautiful

2514
01:17:49,520 --> 01:17:53,120
about people like rather than this

2515
01:17:51,520 --> 01:17:55,360
notion of like, well, we're going to be

2516
01:17:53,119 --> 01:17:57,279
binary, good or bad, perfect or not,

2517
01:17:55,359 --> 01:18:00,639
whatever, and any infraction then it's

2518
01:17:57,279 --> 01:18:02,079
like permanently stains you. Right.

2519
01:18:00,640 --> 01:18:03,920
Like we were talking about earlier about

2520
01:18:02,079 --> 01:18:07,039
people that have been cancelled, you

2521
01:18:03,920 --> 01:18:09,359
know, that that this idea that one thing

2522
01:18:07,039 --> 01:18:11,039
you said or one thing you did and now

2523
01:18:09,359 --> 01:18:12,960
we're going to exaggerate that to the

2524
01:18:11,039 --> 01:18:13,840
fullest extent and cast you out of

2525
01:18:12,960 --> 01:18:14,960
civilization for life

2526
01:18:13,840 --> 01:18:16,560
>> in perpetuity. Yeah.

2527
01:18:14,960 --> 01:18:19,520
>> It's crazy. And it's

2528
01:18:16,560 --> 01:18:21,679
>> Yeah. I was because because I bet some

2529
01:18:19,520 --> 01:18:25,120
of those people would have preferred to

2530
01:18:21,679 --> 01:18:26,480
go to jail for 18 months or whatever to

2531
01:18:25,119 --> 01:18:29,198
and and and then come out and say, "No,

2532
01:18:26,479 --> 01:18:31,439
but I that that we can't I I paid my

2533
01:18:29,198 --> 01:18:33,279
debt. Like, we're done. Like, can we be

2534
01:18:31,439 --> 01:18:36,319
done?" Like, the the the thing about

2535
01:18:33,279 --> 01:18:38,000
about that, you know, getting kind of

2536
01:18:36,319 --> 01:18:40,079
excoriated

2537
01:18:38,000 --> 01:18:42,479
publicly like that, it's it just never

2538
01:18:40,079 --> 01:18:45,359
ends. And it's and it's the first thing

2539
01:18:42,479 --> 01:18:46,718
that you know it's just it just will

2540
01:18:45,359 --> 01:18:48,000
follow you to the grave. I think

2541
01:18:46,719 --> 01:18:49,600
>> it's also this problem that people have

2542
01:18:48,000 --> 01:18:51,679
with people that are in the public eye.

2543
01:18:49,600 --> 01:18:54,159
They have this like desire to chop them

2544
01:18:51,679 --> 01:18:55,760
down always, you know, and anybody that

2545
01:18:54,158 --> 01:18:57,519
stumbles in the public eye. They want to

2546
01:18:55,760 --> 01:18:59,600
destroy their life and they want to just

2547
01:18:57,520 --> 01:19:01,440
pile on and you're not there with them.

2548
01:18:59,600 --> 01:19:03,199
You don't feel the empathy. You're not

2549
01:19:01,439 --> 01:19:04,960
talking to they're not a human being.

2550
01:19:03,198 --> 01:19:05,198
It's just text on a screen.

2551
01:19:04,960 --> 01:19:06,880
>> Right.

2552
01:19:05,198 --> 01:19:08,399
>> Yeah. It's just like kind of like I was

2553
01:19:06,880 --> 01:19:10,560
saying like that kind of sixth grade

2554
01:19:08,399 --> 01:19:12,238
instinct to be like, "Oh, he's in

2555
01:19:10,560 --> 01:19:15,120
trouble." You know, there's this we, you

2556
01:19:12,238 --> 01:19:17,519
know, human like we have dark up

2557
01:19:15,119 --> 01:19:20,158
instincts too sometimes to like isolate

2558
01:19:17,520 --> 01:19:21,679
people or get joy out of someone else's

2559
01:19:20,158 --> 01:19:23,279
they're in trouble because maybe because

2560
01:19:21,679 --> 01:19:24,480
part of it saying, "Hey, it's not me,

2561
01:19:23,279 --> 01:19:26,238
you know." So if you can point the

2562
01:19:24,479 --> 01:19:27,678
finger, everyone's looking over there.

2563
01:19:26,238 --> 01:19:28,238
We feel safer, you know?

2564
01:19:27,679 --> 01:19:30,319
>> Right.

2565
01:19:28,238 --> 01:19:32,799
>> But it's it's like Yeah. And to to to

2566
01:19:30,319 --> 01:19:34,479
take any forgiveness out of it, you

2567
01:19:32,800 --> 01:19:36,480
know, is a really up thing

2568
01:19:34,479 --> 01:19:38,238
because then it makes it impossible a to

2569
01:19:36,479 --> 01:19:40,158
actually go, "All right, yeah, I did

2570
01:19:38,238 --> 01:19:42,319
that. That was wrong. I get

2571
01:19:40,158 --> 01:19:44,079
it." You know, because it doesn't matter

2572
01:19:42,319 --> 01:19:46,639
once you've said you've done it. You you

2573
01:19:44,079 --> 01:19:48,399
become like an outcast. And I don't

2574
01:19:46,640 --> 01:19:49,840
think anybody wants to think, you know,

2575
01:19:48,399 --> 01:19:51,359
like you're the sum total of who you are

2576
01:19:49,840 --> 01:19:52,880
is your worst moment, right?

2577
01:19:51,359 --> 01:19:54,799
>> You know, it's sort of like

2578
01:19:52,880 --> 01:19:56,000
>> the you know, you know, I think you want

2579
01:19:54,800 --> 01:19:57,199
to be judged just as well. Are you

2580
01:19:56,000 --> 01:19:58,399
capable of doing something good or

2581
01:19:57,198 --> 01:19:59,439
something beautiful? It's not to say to

2582
01:19:58,399 --> 01:20:01,119
forget, you know, there's people that

2583
01:19:59,439 --> 01:20:03,119
just over and over and over again doing

2584
01:20:01,119 --> 01:20:05,920
horrible don't care. I get it. No

2585
01:20:03,119 --> 01:20:07,760
one's trying to like absolve that, but

2586
01:20:05,920 --> 01:20:09,199
you remove the ability to sort of

2587
01:20:07,760 --> 01:20:10,400
forgive people or look at them in a

2588
01:20:09,198 --> 01:20:12,719
complicated way. Or else it's kind of

2589
01:20:10,399 --> 01:20:14,399
one become of those things. It's like a

2590
01:20:12,719 --> 01:20:17,119
>> get one of ours or one of them, the

2591
01:20:14,399 --> 01:20:19,119
instinct to get like a team tribal

2592
01:20:17,119 --> 01:20:19,519
oriented and it just becomes a sport,

2593
01:20:19,119 --> 01:20:22,079
you know?

2594
01:20:19,520 --> 01:20:23,679
>> Yeah. Yeah. It's also like who wants to

2595
01:20:22,079 --> 01:20:26,238
live in a world with no forgiveness and

2596
01:20:23,679 --> 01:20:28,640
redemption? That's crazy. Like that's

2597
01:20:26,238 --> 01:20:29,599
just denying the very nature of human

2598
01:20:28,640 --> 01:20:31,119
beings

2599
01:20:29,600 --> 01:20:32,800
>> and that people do things that they

2600
01:20:31,119 --> 01:20:35,119
regret and they do and then they become

2601
01:20:32,800 --> 01:20:37,039
better people because of it and to

2602
01:20:35,119 --> 01:20:38,880
>> yeah some of the people I would rely on

2603
01:20:37,039 --> 01:20:41,198
the most like trust my kids with the

2604
01:20:38,880 --> 01:20:43,359
most have done that they that they

2605
01:20:41,198 --> 01:20:45,279
really regret and you know was yeah

2606
01:20:43,359 --> 01:20:46,880
objectively wrong and then the people

2607
01:20:45,279 --> 01:20:48,238
who've been like a I did that I

2608
01:20:46,880 --> 01:20:49,679
whether it's like addiction I

2609
01:20:48,238 --> 01:20:51,839
got myself down this route I did

2610
01:20:49,679 --> 01:20:54,079
this I did this they're able to go I did

2611
01:20:51,840 --> 01:20:56,640
it I'm sorry it's real I shouldn't have

2612
01:20:54,079 --> 01:20:58,158
done it it was wrong that actually that

2613
01:20:56,640 --> 01:21:00,079
those people can become someone that's

2614
01:20:58,158 --> 01:21:02,158
very trustworthy because you're like

2615
01:21:00,079 --> 01:21:03,600
this will say if they've

2616
01:21:02,158 --> 01:21:05,359
done something they'll actually look at

2617
01:21:03,600 --> 01:21:07,920
their own behavior they'll acknowledge

2618
01:21:05,359 --> 01:21:09,439
it and then you feel you feel good and

2619
01:21:07,920 --> 01:21:11,520
you feel much versus someone who tells

2620
01:21:09,439 --> 01:21:12,559
you like I'm I'm no I got all I always

2621
01:21:11,520 --> 01:21:13,920
get right everything's

2622
01:21:12,560 --> 01:21:16,880
>> well it's like it's all it's about

2623
01:21:13,920 --> 01:21:18,880
evolution right and and and in our own

2624
01:21:16,880 --> 01:21:21,679
personal evolution and we're all in our

2625
01:21:18,880 --> 01:21:23,679
on our own path towards that like the

2626
01:21:21,679 --> 01:21:26,880
the the idea of attacking someone it's

2627
01:21:23,679 --> 01:21:28,719
like Oh, so you you ace the test like

2628
01:21:26,880 --> 01:21:30,000
put your pencil down like you nailed

2629
01:21:28,719 --> 01:21:33,198
being human

2630
01:21:30,000 --> 01:21:35,279
>> you're done that if you nail being human

2631
01:21:33,198 --> 01:21:37,198
that's not possible because you forgot

2632
01:21:35,279 --> 01:21:37,679
about the part about forgiveness which

2633
01:21:37,198 --> 01:21:39,519
is a giant

2634
01:21:37,679 --> 01:21:41,199
>> part you haven't nailed it by definition

2635
01:21:39,520 --> 01:21:42,640
if you're out there throwing stones

2636
01:21:41,198 --> 01:21:43,759
>> it's most of the people that I find

2637
01:21:42,640 --> 01:21:45,679
especially when there's someone that's

2638
01:21:43,760 --> 01:21:47,119
publicly in trouble for something most

2639
01:21:45,679 --> 01:21:48,800
of the people that I know that have

2640
01:21:47,119 --> 01:21:50,800
attacked people have a lot of

2641
01:21:48,800 --> 01:21:52,159
questionable in their past and it's

2642
01:21:50,800 --> 01:21:53,520
almost like they're trying to hide that

2643
01:21:52,158 --> 01:21:54,960
by going on the attack. That's that

2644
01:21:53,520 --> 01:21:56,320
thing like if I can point my finger,

2645
01:21:54,960 --> 01:21:58,079
it's like no one's going to be

2646
01:21:56,319 --> 01:21:59,519
>> Yeah. Oh, he's a good guy. Ben's a good

2647
01:21:58,079 --> 01:22:00,479
guy. He's calling them out.

2648
01:21:59,520 --> 01:22:02,320
>> Yeah, exactly.

2649
01:22:00,479 --> 01:22:03,678
>> Meanwhile, you know,

2650
01:22:02,319 --> 01:22:05,198
>> if you like like

2651
01:22:03,679 --> 01:22:07,119
>> Yeah. I It's like you you were telling

2652
01:22:05,198 --> 01:22:09,119
me to see uh wake up dead man, the

2653
01:22:07,119 --> 01:22:10,719
knives out the third knives. It's great.

2654
01:22:09,119 --> 01:22:12,880
And I watched I really liked it. I

2655
01:22:10,719 --> 01:22:14,399
thought it was a really interesting like

2656
01:22:12,880 --> 01:22:16,079
>> you know I'm not a religious guy. I

2657
01:22:14,399 --> 01:22:18,799
don't like that's you know and yeah I'm

2658
01:22:16,079 --> 01:22:20,238
aware of all the like okay you know

2659
01:22:18,800 --> 01:22:21,440
there's the religion then there's people

2660
01:22:20,238 --> 01:22:24,079
who supposed to be rational. I thought

2661
01:22:21,439 --> 01:22:26,719
it was a really beautiful movie about

2662
01:22:24,079 --> 01:22:28,960
like what's the role of grace in life

2663
01:22:26,719 --> 01:22:31,119
you know and and a really honest

2664
01:22:28,960 --> 01:22:33,600
examination of that like sitting doesn't

2665
01:22:31,119 --> 01:22:36,079
side by side with yeah okay you don't

2666
01:22:33,600 --> 01:22:37,920
believe that but like you and you know

2667
01:22:36,079 --> 01:22:39,840
and it's not about like whether you're

2668
01:22:37,920 --> 01:22:42,319
going to argue over evolution.

2669
01:22:39,840 --> 01:22:44,000
It's about like how graceful are you in

2670
01:22:42,319 --> 01:22:45,759
your life, you know? How much

2671
01:22:44,000 --> 01:22:47,198
dignity can you afford other people? And

2672
01:22:45,760 --> 01:22:49,199
are you willing to recognize and see

2673
01:22:47,198 --> 01:22:51,599
that there's maybe something bigger than

2674
01:22:49,198 --> 01:22:53,919
yourself and that there's a reason to to

2675
01:22:51,600 --> 01:22:55,360
like uh to try to sort of be

2676
01:22:53,920 --> 01:22:56,480
>> to find that grace to get better, you

2677
01:22:55,359 --> 01:22:58,399
know? I thought it was really beautiful

2678
01:22:56,479 --> 01:22:59,678
and kind of rare and

2679
01:22:58,399 --> 01:23:01,279
>> uh really surprised.

2680
01:22:59,679 --> 01:23:03,520
>> I was really surprised, too. I I kind of

2681
01:23:01,279 --> 01:23:06,800
put it on and not, you know, not not

2682
01:23:03,520 --> 01:23:07,440
thinking murder myster I I loved it.

2683
01:23:06,800 --> 01:23:08,880
Yeah.

2684
01:23:07,439 --> 01:23:10,559
>> Yeah. I loved it, too. I think it's one

2685
01:23:08,880 --> 01:23:12,400
of the best of the three.

2686
01:23:10,560 --> 01:23:12,960
>> It's uh my favorite. It was my favorite

2687
01:23:12,399 --> 01:23:14,559
of the three.

2688
01:23:12,960 --> 01:23:15,198
>> Those are great. Daniel Craig is great

2689
01:23:14,560 --> 01:23:16,400
in that role.

2690
01:23:15,198 --> 01:23:18,399
>> He's fantastic.

2691
01:23:16,399 --> 01:23:21,119
>> I mean, guy goes from James Bond to that

2692
01:23:18,399 --> 01:23:22,879
and so many other things as well. Joshua

2693
01:23:21,119 --> 01:23:25,359
Joshua Connor that who played the

2694
01:23:22,880 --> 01:23:26,400
priest. I because I first saw him on uh

2695
01:23:25,359 --> 01:23:28,000
on the crown.

2696
01:23:26,399 --> 01:23:30,479
>> Crown. Yeah, I liked him a lot.

2697
01:23:28,000 --> 01:23:31,600
>> I Man, what an actor he is.

2698
01:23:30,479 --> 01:23:33,599
>> Really, really good.

2699
01:23:31,600 --> 01:23:35,520
>> How much film do you guys consume? Do

2700
01:23:33,600 --> 01:23:38,239
you do you spend a lot of time watching

2701
01:23:35,520 --> 01:23:39,520
films? I mean, the company depends.

2702
01:23:38,238 --> 01:23:41,039
There's a lot like if we're working as

2703
01:23:39,520 --> 01:23:42,400
we're watching cuts after cuts and going

2704
01:23:41,039 --> 01:23:45,119
to the editing room, like there's a lot

2705
01:23:42,399 --> 01:23:46,879
of kind of work around

2706
01:23:45,119 --> 01:23:48,639
all the stuff that we have going that

2707
01:23:46,880 --> 01:23:51,119
that that eats into a lot of time.

2708
01:23:48,639 --> 01:23:53,279
>> I'm mostly trying to keep up with what

2709
01:23:51,119 --> 01:23:55,359
people are doing. My issue is really

2710
01:23:53,279 --> 01:23:56,880
that like we've kind of developed this

2711
01:23:55,359 --> 01:23:58,399
pattern where all these sort of movies

2712
01:23:56,880 --> 01:24:00,000
that come out and are more interesting

2713
01:23:58,399 --> 01:24:01,279
and very like they're all jammed out at

2714
01:24:00,000 --> 01:24:03,600
the last month of the year. And

2715
01:24:01,279 --> 01:24:05,840
so all of a sudden you're trying to race

2716
01:24:03,600 --> 01:24:08,880
these movies. Yeah. I got really lucky

2717
01:24:05,840 --> 01:24:12,000
like uh recently my son you know who's

2718
01:24:08,880 --> 01:24:13,199
13 decided he wants to like watch movies

2719
01:24:12,000 --> 01:24:14,319
you know and I like give him like

2720
01:24:13,198 --> 01:24:16,399
what are you we always looking

2721
01:24:14,319 --> 01:24:18,238
at Tik Tok and like let's watch a

2722
01:24:16,399 --> 01:24:20,158
movie and you know he's kind of blowing

2723
01:24:18,238 --> 01:24:21,919
me off and roll his eyes and like you

2724
01:24:20,158 --> 01:24:23,359
know I mean if you're a dad you're kind

2725
01:24:21,920 --> 01:24:24,560
of an fundamentally like come on

2726
01:24:23,359 --> 01:24:26,079
dad you don't know what's going on you

2727
01:24:24,560 --> 01:24:28,880
know what I mean like he told me one

2728
01:24:26,079 --> 01:24:30,960
time he was like dad I said let's watch

2729
01:24:28,880 --> 01:24:32,800
this movie and I played in the trailer

2730
01:24:30,960 --> 01:24:34,239
it was it was I can't remember what the

2731
01:24:32,800 --> 01:24:36,079
movie was it was a good movie and the

2732
01:24:34,238 --> 01:24:37,439
trailer was good. He just looks at it

2733
01:24:36,079 --> 01:24:39,439
and goes, "You know what you guys ought

2734
01:24:37,439 --> 01:24:41,547
to do? You guys ought to work with some

2735
01:24:39,439 --> 01:24:44,559
of the TikTok editors." I was just

2736
01:24:41,547 --> 01:24:45,840
[laughter] like, "Wow."

2737
01:24:44,560 --> 01:24:47,600
I went and told the editors, I told

2738
01:24:45,840 --> 01:24:50,079
Billy and Chris, I like, "Guys, I got

2739
01:24:47,600 --> 01:24:51,360
news for you [laughter] guys." But but

2740
01:24:50,079 --> 01:24:52,639
now he's like, "All right, let's watch

2741
01:24:51,359 --> 01:24:54,000
like what are some movies I should

2742
01:24:52,639 --> 01:24:55,520
watch?" He got Ladder Box. He got into

2743
01:24:54,000 --> 01:24:57,279
that thing, you know? It's like, so I

2744
01:24:55,520 --> 01:24:58,400
was like, so I said, "Okay, what are the

2745
01:24:57,279 --> 01:25:00,158
great movies? I'll give you a list." I

2746
01:24:58,399 --> 01:25:02,319
started giving him a list. They started

2747
01:25:00,158 --> 01:25:03,679
watching them. And so, I mean, this is

2748
01:25:02,319 --> 01:25:04,960
like heaven for me. So I was like,

2749
01:25:03,679 --> 01:25:06,800
"Okay, what are you watching?" King of

2750
01:25:04,960 --> 01:25:08,480
Comedy. Like last week I watched Baxi

2751
01:25:06,800 --> 01:25:09,440
Driver, King K, all these Scorsese

2752
01:25:08,479 --> 01:25:11,839
movies

2753
01:25:09,439 --> 01:25:13,039
>> and it really was like, "Oh man, I I cuz

2754
01:25:11,840 --> 01:25:14,639
in my mind I'm like, "Sure, I've seen

2755
01:25:13,039 --> 01:25:17,439
that movie. I know it." I watched them

2756
01:25:14,639 --> 01:25:19,119
again. It was I like seeing I realized

2757
01:25:17,439 --> 01:25:20,559
how much better they were than I even

2758
01:25:19,119 --> 01:25:21,760
could appreciate when I watched it when

2759
01:25:20,560 --> 01:25:24,239
I was younger.

2760
01:25:21,760 --> 01:25:26,239
>> And it really and it was just the most

2761
01:25:24,238 --> 01:25:27,919
beautiful experience for me to

2762
01:25:26,238 --> 01:25:29,439
watch with my son. Like he's taking an

2763
01:25:27,920 --> 01:25:30,719
interest. And this is the, you know, the

2764
01:25:29,439 --> 01:25:32,319
older two have always been a little bit

2765
01:25:30,719 --> 01:25:33,279
like, "Yeah, dad, no. Great." But hey,

2766
01:25:32,319 --> 01:25:34,799
you guys want to come to the premiere?

2767
01:25:33,279 --> 01:25:36,000
No, not really. Uh, [laughter] you know

2768
01:25:34,800 --> 01:25:37,920
what I mean? You guys want to come to

2769
01:25:36,000 --> 01:25:39,840
the set? No, I'm good. You know,

2770
01:25:37,920 --> 01:25:41,279
>> well, it's just too much familiarity.

2771
01:25:39,840 --> 01:25:42,560
You know, you grew up with a dad who's a

2772
01:25:41,279 --> 01:25:44,158
movie star. You're just like,

2773
01:25:42,560 --> 01:25:45,520
>> the kids got in and I get it. You got to

2774
01:25:44,158 --> 01:25:47,519
be your own person, do your thing. They

2775
01:25:45,520 --> 01:25:49,280
have all their own and I get, you

2776
01:25:47,520 --> 01:25:50,800
know, I never even So, I never expected

2777
01:25:49,279 --> 01:25:52,559
it from my son and I don't know that

2778
01:25:50,800 --> 01:25:54,079
he's going to, you know, and I wouldn't

2779
01:25:52,560 --> 01:25:55,440
want to lean on him like, hey, get into

2780
01:25:54,079 --> 01:25:57,039
the family business.

2781
01:25:55,439 --> 01:25:59,198
>> Um, most of the time it's just like, you

2782
01:25:57,039 --> 01:26:00,880
know, we go to like basketball games,

2783
01:25:59,198 --> 01:26:03,359
baseball, all that type of stuff.

2784
01:26:00,880 --> 01:26:06,800
Um, but it but this was a really that

2785
01:26:03,359 --> 01:26:08,158
was like I was like so joyful, you know

2786
01:26:06,800 --> 01:26:11,520
what I mean? To sit there and watch the

2787
01:26:08,158 --> 01:26:12,960
movies with my my kid. I like I was like

2788
01:26:11,520 --> 01:26:15,600
this doesn't get better. This is the

2789
01:26:12,960 --> 01:26:17,198
happiest I may ever be in my whole life,

2790
01:26:15,600 --> 01:26:18,880
you know, right here. Watch this movie

2791
01:26:17,198 --> 01:26:21,119
and he's like, well, he's telling me

2792
01:26:18,880 --> 01:26:22,960
what he thinks, you know, just like like

2793
01:26:21,119 --> 01:26:23,679
honestly the rest of it you can

2794
01:26:22,960 --> 01:26:24,719
keep it, you know?

2795
01:26:23,679 --> 01:26:26,000
>> That's awesome.

2796
01:26:24,719 --> 01:26:28,319
>> That's the best. Well, it's great that

2797
01:26:26,000 --> 01:26:31,119
you guys still love film, you know, that

2798
01:26:28,319 --> 01:26:32,960
it's it hasn't become just a job. It

2799
01:26:31,119 --> 01:26:34,960
hasn't become a thing that you do that

2800
01:26:32,960 --> 01:26:36,800
you really enjoy it and love it.

2801
01:26:34,960 --> 01:26:38,719
>> Yeah. It was never a job. I mean, it

2802
01:26:36,800 --> 01:26:40,639
really like it was it was like the an

2803
01:26:38,719 --> 01:26:43,119
absolute dream from the time we were

2804
01:26:40,639 --> 01:26:44,560
kids. We did high school theater

2805
01:26:43,119 --> 01:26:45,279
together, you know? Like

2806
01:26:44,560 --> 01:26:46,080
>> that's crazy.

2807
01:26:45,279 --> 01:26:48,158
>> Yeah. Um,

2808
01:26:46,079 --> 01:26:49,119
>> it was like we're lucky to get it and

2809
01:26:48,158 --> 01:26:50,719
lucky to

2810
01:26:49,119 --> 01:26:52,158
>> the whole idea that you could even the

2811
01:26:50,719 --> 01:26:53,359
goal was like to make a living

2812
01:26:52,158 --> 01:26:55,679
>> to not have to be like, well, I'm an

2813
01:26:53,359 --> 01:26:57,134
actor, you know, slash a waiter,

2814
01:26:55,679 --> 01:26:58,319
contractor, dental assistant, whatever

2815
01:26:57,135 --> 01:27:00,400
[laughter] the it is, you know,

2816
01:26:58,319 --> 01:27:02,238
like actually I can earn money. I can

2817
01:27:00,399 --> 01:27:03,920
and we always figured like I don't need

2818
01:27:02,238 --> 01:27:05,198
that much, especially if we have kids.

2819
01:27:03,920 --> 01:27:06,639
Yeah. You know, okay, we can make a

2820
01:27:05,198 --> 01:27:08,158
living or it's, you know, maybe it's

2821
01:27:06,639 --> 01:27:09,359
going to be dinner theater or

2822
01:27:08,158 --> 01:27:09,759
maybe it's going to be rent. Maybe it's

2823
01:27:09,359 --> 01:27:11,519
going to be

2824
01:27:09,760 --> 01:27:13,119
>> there'll be a job somewhere that we can

2825
01:27:11,520 --> 01:27:15,280
find where we can do this and keep doing

2826
01:27:13,119 --> 01:27:17,359
it. Yeah. Well, there's something that I

2827
01:27:15,279 --> 01:27:19,439
mean, I love when people love things. I

2828
01:27:17,359 --> 01:27:22,799
I I spend time on YouTube watching

2829
01:27:19,439 --> 01:27:24,879
people like u fix watches, you know,

2830
01:27:22,800 --> 01:27:26,880
like I I don't know why, but I I love

2831
01:27:24,880 --> 01:27:28,719
when people make furniture. I love I

2832
01:27:26,880 --> 01:27:30,719
love watching people do things that they

2833
01:27:28,719 --> 01:27:33,039
really love that they're invested in. I

2834
01:27:30,719 --> 01:27:35,119
think we all have that thing in us where

2835
01:27:33,039 --> 01:27:36,719
we see someone who's got a passion for

2836
01:27:35,119 --> 01:27:38,238
something, someone who really loves it.

2837
01:27:36,719 --> 01:27:40,480
And that's what everybody really wants

2838
01:27:38,238 --> 01:27:42,079
in life, to be lost in the thing you

2839
01:27:40,479 --> 01:27:43,519
love, to have a purpose.

2840
01:27:42,079 --> 01:27:45,439
>> And it's beautiful.

2841
01:27:43,520 --> 01:27:46,320
Watching someone else with true purpose

2842
01:27:45,439 --> 01:27:48,079
is

2843
01:27:46,319 --> 01:27:49,679
>> very it's hypnotic. It reminds me of Joe

2844
01:27:48,079 --> 01:27:50,639
versus the volcano where he goes in to

2845
01:27:49,679 --> 01:27:52,880
buy luggage.

2846
01:27:50,639 --> 01:27:55,760
>> You like luggage, sir? He's like, uh, he

2847
01:27:52,880 --> 01:27:56,960
was luggage is the central preoccupation

2848
01:27:55,760 --> 01:27:58,560
of my life.

2849
01:27:56,960 --> 01:27:59,520
>> Guy's a luggage salesman and he

2850
01:27:58,560 --> 01:28:01,760
loves

2851
01:27:59,520 --> 01:28:03,300
>> nothing more than luggage.

2852
01:28:01,760 --> 01:28:04,560
And it's the greatest scene. I

2853
01:28:03,300 --> 01:28:06,079
[laughter] asked Tom Hanks about that

2854
01:28:04,560 --> 01:28:07,280
when I did Saving Private Ryan. I was

2855
01:28:06,079 --> 01:28:08,719
like, "Can you tell me about that

2856
01:28:07,279 --> 01:28:10,238
scene?" Cuz we love this scene so much.

2857
01:28:08,719 --> 01:28:11,840
And he go and he named the actor. He was

2858
01:28:10,238 --> 01:28:13,519
a Broadway actor, I guess. the guy he

2859
01:28:11,840 --> 01:28:15,520
came in he worked for like one day in

2860
01:28:13,520 --> 01:28:17,280
this scene and he's so good in that

2861
01:28:15,520 --> 01:28:19,120
movie and then at the very end he's

2862
01:28:17,279 --> 01:28:20,960
showing him all the luggage and Tom

2863
01:28:19,119 --> 01:28:22,559
Hanks has unlimited money to spend he

2864
01:28:20,960 --> 01:28:24,158
thinks he's dying and so he basically

2865
01:28:22,560 --> 01:28:25,600
goes like well what's the best luggage

2866
01:28:24,158 --> 01:28:28,000
and he goes well if you know and he

2867
01:28:25,600 --> 01:28:29,440
opens if I had the means sir and he

2868
01:28:28,000 --> 01:28:31,279
opens up this thing and there's this

2869
01:28:29,439 --> 01:28:33,839
trunk and it's like this music plays and

2870
01:28:31,279 --> 01:28:35,119
he opens it and Tom Hanks is like

2871
01:28:33,840 --> 01:28:36,480
>> I'll take two of them [clears throat] he

2872
01:28:35,119 --> 01:28:39,840
goes [laughter] may you live to be a

2873
01:28:36,479 --> 01:28:41,935
thousand years old

2874
01:28:39,840 --> 01:28:42,400
the greatest day of his

2875
01:28:41,935 --> 01:28:44,079
>> [laughter]

2876
01:28:42,399 --> 01:28:45,920
>> Oh god,

2877
01:28:44,079 --> 01:28:48,079
>> that's amazing. You guys have been in

2878
01:28:45,920 --> 01:28:50,399
some bangers, man.

2879
01:28:48,079 --> 01:28:51,600
>> Saving Private Ryan. That opening film,

2880
01:28:50,399 --> 01:28:52,479
The Storming of the Beach.

2881
01:28:51,600 --> 01:28:54,880
>> Unbelievable.

2882
01:28:52,479 --> 01:28:56,799
>> That might be the the most realistic

2883
01:28:54,880 --> 01:28:58,639
depiction of war that's ever been made.

2884
01:28:56,800 --> 01:29:00,239
>> So, I remember reading the script and

2885
01:28:58,639 --> 01:29:01,520
there was all this dialogue, all this

2886
01:29:00,238 --> 01:29:03,198
stuff that was written. I came late

2887
01:29:01,520 --> 01:29:04,639
because I'm only in the he shot it

2888
01:29:03,198 --> 01:29:06,559
chronologically and I'm only in the

2889
01:29:04,639 --> 01:29:10,000
last, you know, the last act of the

2890
01:29:06,560 --> 01:29:12,880
movie basically. and and uh and he told

2891
01:29:10,000 --> 01:29:14,399
me on set I was saying how I go how did

2892
01:29:12,880 --> 01:29:16,719
it go the beginning go you know there's

2893
01:29:14,399 --> 01:29:19,759
that all that dialogue with them on the

2894
01:29:16,719 --> 01:29:22,800
boat coming in and and Stephen goes he

2895
01:29:19,760 --> 01:29:25,440
just goes I cut I cut all of that out he

2896
01:29:22,800 --> 01:29:27,520
goes he goes no talking for the first 27

2897
01:29:25,439 --> 01:29:29,439
minutes of this movie

2898
01:29:27,520 --> 01:29:30,560
>> and that was when I was like oh my god

2899
01:29:29,439 --> 01:29:31,919
this movie is going to be

2900
01:29:30,560 --> 01:29:33,520
>> un

2901
01:29:31,920 --> 01:29:34,960
>> I think Tom says like I'll see you on

2902
01:29:33,520 --> 01:29:35,679
the beach or something he scre you know

2903
01:29:34,960 --> 01:29:37,439
guys are puking

2904
01:29:35,679 --> 01:29:38,800
>> look at the man next to Yeah, remember

2905
01:29:37,439 --> 01:29:40,559
he's not going to live to that. That was

2906
01:29:38,800 --> 01:29:42,159
the script, right? Remember that? It was

2907
01:29:40,560 --> 01:29:43,760
it was it was look at the man next to

2908
01:29:42,158 --> 01:29:44,879
you, he won't live. You know, you're

2909
01:29:43,760 --> 01:29:46,960
like, "Two out of three of you are going

2910
01:29:44,880 --> 01:29:48,719
to die. So, look at to your left, look

2911
01:29:46,960 --> 01:29:50,079
to your right, and feel bad for those

2912
01:29:48,719 --> 01:29:51,039
two sons of cuz they're not

2913
01:29:50,079 --> 01:29:53,119
going to make it." You know, it was

2914
01:29:51,039 --> 01:29:54,479
stuff like that. And Stephen's just

2915
01:29:53,119 --> 01:29:57,198
like, "Nope.

2916
01:29:54,479 --> 01:29:58,638
>> No, no. These guys are puking. They're

2917
01:29:57,198 --> 01:30:00,719
It's like the things up. You could just

2918
01:29:58,639 --> 01:30:01,920
hear,

2919
01:30:00,719 --> 01:30:04,319
you know, and it's just like and then

2920
01:30:01,920 --> 01:30:07,600
just boom, and you're into it." And also

2921
01:30:04,319 --> 01:30:10,880
they did this incredible like cinema

2922
01:30:07,600 --> 01:30:13,440
changing open the shutter all the way

2923
01:30:10,880 --> 01:30:14,639
motion blur skip the the bleach process

2924
01:30:13,439 --> 01:30:17,198
in developing the film.

2925
01:30:14,639 --> 01:30:19,359
>> I don't and I don't know if they're

2926
01:30:17,198 --> 01:30:21,039
going to 22 or 23 frames anywhere in

2927
01:30:19,359 --> 01:30:24,000
there maybe. But I I I just remember

2928
01:30:21,039 --> 01:30:25,359
maybe it's just the open shutters just

2929
01:30:24,000 --> 01:30:26,800
yeah it just means that instead of like

2930
01:30:25,359 --> 01:30:28,479
the motion blur is what makes something

2931
01:30:26,800 --> 01:30:30,400
that like moves across the frame

2932
01:30:28,479 --> 01:30:32,000
quickly. If you look at each frame, it's

2933
01:30:30,399 --> 01:30:34,158
like a blurred thing. And when you roll

2934
01:30:32,000 --> 01:30:36,639
those 24 frames, it gives you this the

2935
01:30:34,158 --> 01:30:38,559
illusion that it moves across fluidly.

2936
01:30:36,639 --> 01:30:40,400
And if you basically open the shutter up

2937
01:30:38,560 --> 01:30:42,560
so you get much more light. Each frame

2938
01:30:40,399 --> 01:30:43,920
takes a super sharp picture. And when

2939
01:30:42,560 --> 01:30:45,520
you run those together, like the piece

2940
01:30:43,920 --> 01:30:47,679
of dust goes,

2941
01:30:45,520 --> 01:30:49,040
>> and so the mortar explosions are going

2942
01:30:47,679 --> 01:30:50,719
and it and you get that feeling that

2943
01:30:49,039 --> 01:30:52,479
you're adrenalized and you're seeing,

2944
01:30:50,719 --> 01:30:55,119
you know what I mean? And it's just and

2945
01:30:52,479 --> 01:30:57,198
nobody had ever done it. just the master

2946
01:30:55,119 --> 01:30:59,279
of the thing, understood how to use the

2947
01:30:57,198 --> 01:30:59,839
tools and combined with a great idea and

2948
01:30:59,279 --> 01:31:01,439
it's

2949
01:30:59,840 --> 01:31:02,960
>> that's just masterful. Like that's just

2950
01:31:01,439 --> 01:31:04,399
how you do it. There's nobody who

2951
01:31:02,960 --> 01:31:06,719
directs movies who doesn't go ah it's

2952
01:31:04,399 --> 01:31:07,599
Spielberg, you know, it's that's how you

2953
01:31:06,719 --> 01:31:09,520
do it.

2954
01:31:07,600 --> 01:31:11,840
>> It's just like you say, one of those

2955
01:31:09,520 --> 01:31:14,639
things a guy that's passionate and also,

2956
01:31:11,840 --> 01:31:16,880
>> you know, caring about something, you

2957
01:31:14,639 --> 01:31:18,319
know, it's that that to with that much

2958
01:31:16,880 --> 01:31:21,119
passion is kind of connected to

2959
01:31:18,319 --> 01:31:23,599
greatness. Yeah. And it's I think why we

2960
01:31:21,119 --> 01:31:26,399
love to see that whe you know sports

2961
01:31:23,600 --> 01:31:28,239
you know fighting or whatever it

2962
01:31:26,399 --> 01:31:31,519
is there's something that makes you kind

2963
01:31:28,238 --> 01:31:33,279
of love being alive and also love that

2964
01:31:31,520 --> 01:31:34,800
that person when you go like when

2965
01:31:33,279 --> 01:31:36,800
you see Michael Jordan like that was

2966
01:31:34,800 --> 01:31:38,239
that whole movie that we did airs really

2967
01:31:36,800 --> 01:31:40,000
all about like what does it mean to be

2968
01:31:38,238 --> 01:31:42,638
great and how does it like touch

2969
01:31:40,000 --> 01:31:44,399
everybody and change everybody and make

2970
01:31:42,639 --> 01:31:47,679
people want to improve their own

2971
01:31:44,399 --> 01:31:50,079
lives because somebody's just better at

2972
01:31:47,679 --> 01:31:50,719
at that thing than anybody else in the

2973
01:31:50,079 --> 01:31:51,119
world.

2974
01:31:50,719 --> 01:31:53,359
>> Yeah.

2975
01:31:51,119 --> 01:31:55,039
>> It's it's trans it's fixing you know I

2976
01:31:53,359 --> 01:31:57,439
mean I find that

2977
01:31:55,039 --> 01:31:59,039
>> really fascinating like I you know

2978
01:31:57,439 --> 01:32:00,879
people who are great at something and

2979
01:31:59,039 --> 01:32:02,238
the mystery of like well what is that

2980
01:32:00,880 --> 01:32:03,760
like and what does that do to your life

2981
01:32:02,238 --> 01:32:04,799
and how did you get that way and what

2982
01:32:03,760 --> 01:32:06,719
does it take you know

2983
01:32:04,800 --> 01:32:08,159
>> and [snorts] what's the cost

2984
01:32:06,719 --> 01:32:09,840
>> because to truly be great at something

2985
01:32:08,158 --> 01:32:12,879
you have to kind of almost abandon

2986
01:32:09,840 --> 01:32:16,400
everything. I I've seen that in various

2987
01:32:12,880 --> 01:32:18,800
ways like in that kind of just empirical

2988
01:32:16,399 --> 01:32:20,479
personal study. I haven't seen anybody

2989
01:32:18,800 --> 01:32:22,079
who I think like qualifies for that who

2990
01:32:20,479 --> 01:32:23,359
who didn't also seem to be really

2991
01:32:22,079 --> 01:32:24,559
suffering 100%

2992
01:32:23,359 --> 01:32:26,639
>> you know and you're like damn you should

2993
01:32:24,560 --> 01:32:28,000
be so happy you're the greatest you and

2994
01:32:26,639 --> 01:32:29,840
you know interviewers always how do you

2995
01:32:28,000 --> 01:32:31,520
feel right now and there's that sense

2996
01:32:29,840 --> 01:32:33,760
that like either it's never finished or

2997
01:32:31,520 --> 01:32:36,159
it's never enough or they can't enjoy it

2998
01:32:33,760 --> 01:32:37,520
or they're car it's that line we put in

2999
01:32:36,158 --> 01:32:38,960
air where it's like and you have to be

3000
01:32:37,520 --> 01:32:40,960
that thing to be that thing

3001
01:32:38,960 --> 01:32:41,920
>> you know like it's a kind of a burden

3002
01:32:40,960 --> 01:32:42,719
too in a way

3003
01:32:41,920 --> 01:32:44,960
>> 100%

3004
01:32:42,719 --> 01:32:46,960
>> and I just see that and that's why we we

3005
01:32:44,960 --> 01:32:49,119
want these heroes and people who are

3006
01:32:46,960 --> 01:32:50,399
great to I don't know, you know,

3007
01:32:49,119 --> 01:32:51,760
flourish and have their life and have it

3008
01:32:50,399 --> 01:32:53,839
all in hand. Like there's all this

3009
01:32:51,760 --> 01:32:57,039
tragedy and all this stuff that happens

3010
01:32:53,840 --> 01:32:58,800
too. And I I it's yeah that's like you

3011
01:32:57,039 --> 01:33:00,399
say there seems to be a real cost.

3012
01:32:58,800 --> 01:33:02,000
>> Well, there's always a massive cost in

3013
01:33:00,399 --> 01:33:03,359
personal relationships because there's

3014
01:33:02,000 --> 01:33:05,520
no way you have the time for other

3015
01:33:03,359 --> 01:33:07,920
things. And the obsession that you have

3016
01:33:05,520 --> 01:33:10,320
to be the best at something, you have to

3017
01:33:07,920 --> 01:33:11,920
abandon almost all your concern for

3018
01:33:10,319 --> 01:33:14,319
everything else. You have to have this

3019
01:33:11,920 --> 01:33:16,399
single-minded focus and that comes with

3020
01:33:14,319 --> 01:33:18,559
a cost for the rest of your life because

3021
01:33:16,399 --> 01:33:19,519
you damage relationships. You feel like

3022
01:33:18,560 --> 01:33:20,880
a piece of

3023
01:33:19,520 --> 01:33:22,400
>> and you see that up close and like

3024
01:33:20,880 --> 01:33:23,760
that's not admirable, right?

3025
01:33:22,399 --> 01:33:26,079
>> You don't give a about anybody

3026
01:33:23,760 --> 01:33:26,800
else. No, I do. I just care about this

3027
01:33:26,079 --> 01:33:28,639
more.

3028
01:33:26,800 --> 01:33:30,400
>> You know, it's like so imagine that

3029
01:33:28,639 --> 01:33:32,079
you're making the sacrifices and it's

3030
01:33:30,399 --> 01:33:33,439
causing injury to people and you know it

3031
01:33:32,079 --> 01:33:34,319
and you don't want to hurt them but you

3032
01:33:33,439 --> 01:33:35,839
can't help it

3033
01:33:34,319 --> 01:33:36,799
>> and you're getting rewarded for it. You

3034
01:33:35,840 --> 01:33:38,319
know, it's

3035
01:33:36,800 --> 01:33:40,079
>> it's complicated. Yeah. That's

3036
01:33:38,319 --> 01:33:41,920
>> it's crazy because you inspire all these

3037
01:33:40,079 --> 01:33:43,679
people that don't know you and you ruin

3038
01:33:41,920 --> 01:33:44,399
all your relationship. [laughter]

3039
01:33:43,679 --> 01:33:45,440
>> Right. That's right.

3040
01:33:44,399 --> 01:33:46,238
>> Maybe that's why I say don't meet your

3041
01:33:45,439 --> 01:33:47,839
heroes.

3042
01:33:46,238 --> 01:33:49,439
>> Yeah. Exactly.

3043
01:33:47,840 --> 01:33:50,319
>> There's something to it, man. There

3044
01:33:49,439 --> 01:33:53,119
really is.

3045
01:33:50,319 --> 01:33:56,000
>> But it's just we all grow from it.

3046
01:33:53,119 --> 01:33:58,399
There's a fuel to watching greatness.

3047
01:33:56,000 --> 01:34:00,800
>> There's a thing that that hits you and

3048
01:33:58,399 --> 01:34:02,399
lights you up where you want to do more.

3049
01:34:00,800 --> 01:34:04,000
You want to be better. you want to

3050
01:34:02,399 --> 01:34:06,399
whatever it is that you can do, whatever

3051
01:34:04,000 --> 01:34:08,719
it is you do do, you become more whether

3052
01:34:06,399 --> 01:34:11,198
it's a great game, a winning touchdown,

3053
01:34:08,719 --> 01:34:13,600
whether it's a great film, a great song.

3054
01:34:11,198 --> 01:34:15,678
Yeah. It lights you up and it it's the

3055
01:34:13,600 --> 01:34:18,159
fuel that we all live off of that

3056
01:34:15,679 --> 01:34:19,600
consumes that like we consume to make

3057
01:34:18,158 --> 01:34:20,719
our culture move forward.

3058
01:34:19,600 --> 01:34:22,480
>> Yeah.

3059
01:34:20,719 --> 01:34:24,079
>> There's like a sacrificial element to

3060
01:34:22,479 --> 01:34:25,919
it, the people that do it and we all

3061
01:34:24,079 --> 01:34:27,119
feed off of it, you know, and it feels

3062
01:34:25,920 --> 01:34:28,639
like, well, that's the person that

3063
01:34:27,119 --> 01:34:31,359
doesn't get enough out of it, you know?

3064
01:34:28,639 --> 01:34:33,440
>> Right. Right. But in great film, I mean,

3065
01:34:31,359 --> 01:34:35,920
how many lives have been changed by

3066
01:34:33,439 --> 01:34:37,599
decisions made after great films? Like

3067
01:34:35,920 --> 01:34:39,039
when I was a kid, I think I was like

3068
01:34:37,600 --> 01:34:41,039
seven or eight or something when Rocky

3069
01:34:39,039 --> 01:34:42,880
came out and I

3070
01:34:41,039 --> 01:34:44,154
>> I saw it and immediately ran around the

3071
01:34:42,880 --> 01:34:44,960
block. I've never won in my life.

3072
01:34:44,154 --> 01:34:47,759
[laughter]

3073
01:34:44,960 --> 01:34:49,119
Like I was eating raw eggs. I was like

3074
01:34:47,760 --> 01:34:51,520
I'm like this is going to change my

3075
01:34:49,119 --> 01:34:53,519
life. Like it it there's things that

3076
01:34:51,520 --> 01:34:55,199
happen when you see something truly

3077
01:34:53,520 --> 01:34:56,800
great that it makes you want to be

3078
01:34:55,198 --> 01:34:59,678
better as a human being.

3079
01:34:56,800 --> 01:35:01,279
I remember where I was when I saw Denzel

3080
01:34:59,679 --> 01:35:03,440
Washington play Malcolm X. Went to the

3081
01:35:01,279 --> 01:35:05,679
movie, watched that movie and I remember

3082
01:35:03,439 --> 01:35:06,960
leaving I was 19 or thinking I want to

3083
01:35:05,679 --> 01:35:09,440
be a better man.

3084
01:35:06,960 --> 01:35:11,198
>> I thought that in my mind, you know,

3085
01:35:09,439 --> 01:35:13,279
because of what I had seen

3086
01:35:11,198 --> 01:35:14,719
>> this actor do and this per and the way,

3087
01:35:13,279 --> 01:35:16,399
you know, that was the only real

3088
01:35:14,719 --> 01:35:18,560
conscious thought I had. But I remember

3089
01:35:16,399 --> 01:35:20,879
having it and and kind of being

3090
01:35:18,560 --> 01:35:23,120
surprised by it, you know, and it does

3091
01:35:20,880 --> 01:35:24,800
it it it that can, you know, it's

3092
01:35:23,119 --> 01:35:27,439
really touched me, you know, a lot of

3093
01:35:24,800 --> 01:35:29,520
people's work and and that's why

3094
01:35:27,439 --> 01:35:31,279
you get that like,

3095
01:35:29,520 --> 01:35:32,560
>> you know, you you you see people you

3096
01:35:31,279 --> 01:35:35,279
want to let them know, you know what I

3097
01:35:32,560 --> 01:35:36,480
mean? And tell them and um I I always

3098
01:35:35,279 --> 01:35:37,359
think people come to go, "Hey, I love

3099
01:35:36,479 --> 01:35:38,000
that movie." I always feel like, "Ah,

3100
01:35:37,359 --> 01:35:40,559
you don't have to say that." You know

3101
01:35:38,000 --> 01:35:43,359
what I mean? Right. uh it makes me kind

3102
01:35:40,560 --> 01:35:45,679
of uncomfortable and I I don't ever like

3103
01:35:43,359 --> 01:35:47,679
put myself in with those figures who I

3104
01:35:45,679 --> 01:35:50,000
think are like no but there's these

3105
01:35:47,679 --> 01:35:54,079
these towering giants who have done this

3106
01:35:50,000 --> 01:35:56,000
you know I don't know it's uh it's not

3107
01:35:54,079 --> 01:35:57,519
it's it's it's I finally kind of arrived

3108
01:35:56,000 --> 01:35:59,279
to a place where I was like it's always

3109
01:35:57,520 --> 01:36:01,199
uncomfortable oh I saw hunting it made

3110
01:35:59,279 --> 01:36:03,119
me want to go out to Hollywood write a

3111
01:36:01,198 --> 01:36:07,759
script and I think oh I [laughter]

3112
01:36:03,119 --> 01:36:09,519
go you know what I mean like man

3113
01:36:07,760 --> 01:36:11,199
a certain point I fig Okay, you know

3114
01:36:09,520 --> 01:36:12,080
what? Whatever it is, like great. That's

3115
01:36:11,198 --> 01:36:14,000
that's

3116
01:36:12,079 --> 01:36:15,679
>> the cost of your fame, you know, that

3117
01:36:14,000 --> 01:36:16,639
you have to there's going to be a bunch

3118
01:36:15,679 --> 01:36:17,920
of people that are going to come up to

3119
01:36:16,639 --> 01:36:20,719
you and then want to say those things to

3120
01:36:17,920 --> 01:36:23,679
you and like the wanting them to say

3121
01:36:20,719 --> 01:36:26,000
those things to you is the opposite of

3122
01:36:23,679 --> 01:36:26,480
the mindset that you need to make those

3123
01:36:26,000 --> 01:36:27,279
things.

3124
01:36:26,479 --> 01:36:29,279
>> Exactly. Exactly. [laughter]

3125
01:36:27,279 --> 01:36:30,800
>> Which is is so counterintuitive. You

3126
01:36:29,279 --> 01:36:32,079
think like once you become really

3127
01:36:30,800 --> 01:36:33,360
successful and you make a bunch of great

3128
01:36:32,079 --> 01:36:34,399
things, it's going to be awesome having

3129
01:36:33,359 --> 01:36:36,158
all these people come up to you like,

3130
01:36:34,399 --> 01:36:38,319
"No, no, no. I'm doing something else

3131
01:36:36,158 --> 01:36:39,839
right now. And I can't be all wrapped up

3132
01:36:38,319 --> 01:36:40,719
in the fact that I'm changing your

3133
01:36:39,840 --> 01:36:42,880
[laughter] life.

3134
01:36:40,719 --> 01:36:44,560
>> And also, I can't be satisfied or take

3135
01:36:42,880 --> 01:36:46,560
any joy in that cuz I I don't

3136
01:36:44,560 --> 01:36:47,280
think I'm good enough. I need to

3137
01:36:46,560 --> 01:36:49,520
You know what I mean?

3138
01:36:47,279 --> 01:36:51,840
>> Right. Never satisfied. Yeah. You can't.

3139
01:36:49,520 --> 01:36:53,119
And that's the the darkness of trying to

3140
01:36:51,840 --> 01:36:53,760
do something great. You'll never be

3141
01:36:53,118 --> 01:36:55,439
satisfied.

3142
01:36:53,760 --> 01:36:56,800
>> You see it in a lot of the fighters, the

3143
01:36:55,439 --> 01:36:57,439
same kind of thing. The great great

3144
01:36:56,800 --> 01:36:59,199
fighter.

3145
01:36:57,439 --> 01:37:01,519
>> Well, also fighters have a very small

3146
01:36:59,198 --> 01:37:03,118
window of greatness. There's there's

3147
01:37:01,520 --> 01:37:05,760
only like a certain amount of years we

3148
01:37:03,118 --> 01:37:07,439
can burn the RPMs at at the red line and

3149
01:37:05,760 --> 01:37:08,400
then eventually the knees go, the back

3150
01:37:07,439 --> 01:37:09,919
goes, you start.

3151
01:37:08,399 --> 01:37:10,399
>> Is it earlier than other sports? It must

3152
01:37:09,920 --> 01:37:13,039
be. Yeah.

3153
01:37:10,399 --> 01:37:14,719
>> Yes, I think so because like Tom Brady

3154
01:37:13,039 --> 01:37:16,399
is still elite. I bet he could probably

3155
01:37:14,719 --> 01:37:18,079
play football right now. I bet he You

3156
01:37:16,399 --> 01:37:20,719
know what? How old is Tom now? 49.

3157
01:37:18,079 --> 01:37:22,158
>> Probably 47 or eight now probably.

3158
01:37:20,719 --> 01:37:23,920
>> I bet he could still play, you know.

3159
01:37:22,158 --> 01:37:25,519
>> Yeah. I mean, but that's a Yeah, I mean

3160
01:37:23,920 --> 01:37:27,359
that's a very specific skill position

3161
01:37:25,520 --> 01:37:30,080
and the way he played it he you know.

3162
01:37:27,359 --> 01:37:31,198
>> Right. But running back No. Right. But

3163
01:37:30,079 --> 01:37:33,439
at cornerback,

3164
01:37:31,198 --> 01:37:36,399
>> the elite levels of MMA, especially with

3165
01:37:33,439 --> 01:37:39,839
USADA testing and, you know, and now uh

3166
01:37:36,399 --> 01:37:41,279
drug-free sport testing when they are

3167
01:37:39,840 --> 01:37:43,119
making sure that people aren't on

3168
01:37:41,279 --> 01:37:44,319
testosterone and growth hormone, all

3169
01:37:43,118 --> 01:37:46,639
these different things like you have

3170
01:37:44,319 --> 01:37:48,960
nine years. You have nine years at peak

3171
01:37:46,639 --> 01:37:50,560
performance. That's legitimate. Like,

3172
01:37:48,960 --> 01:37:52,639
>> how long's Jon Jones been going?

3173
01:37:50,560 --> 01:37:54,639
>> Jon Jones is a freak of all freaks cuz

3174
01:37:52,639 --> 01:37:56,400
Jon Jones beat Daniel Cormier when he

3175
01:37:54,639 --> 01:37:58,480
was on Coke. That was one of the funny

3176
01:37:56,399 --> 01:38:00,238
things he said in the uh in the press

3177
01:37:58,479 --> 01:38:01,678
conference for the rematch. Daniel was

3178
01:38:00,238 --> 01:38:05,297
talking He goes, "I beat you when

3179
01:38:01,679 --> 01:38:05,297
I was on Coke." [laughter]

3180
01:38:07,920 --> 01:38:12,800
>> I mean, he was getting arrested. He was

3181
01:38:10,560 --> 01:38:15,440
partying for when he fought uh

3182
01:38:12,800 --> 01:38:18,320
Gustiffson. He beat Gustoson and he

3183
01:38:15,439 --> 01:38:19,678
didn't train at all. I talked to his

3184
01:38:18,319 --> 01:38:21,198
trainer. He's like, "He didn't even show

3185
01:38:19,679 --> 01:38:22,800
up at the gym. He was never

3186
01:38:21,198 --> 01:38:24,158
there. He was never training. He could

3187
01:38:22,800 --> 01:38:26,560
just show up and beat everybody's ass."

3188
01:38:24,158 --> 01:38:28,238
I saw a thing uh on my Instagram feed of

3189
01:38:26,560 --> 01:38:31,119
a fighter and I I don't know who it was,

3190
01:38:28,238 --> 01:38:33,678
but he was a heavyweight and he goes, "I

3191
01:38:31,118 --> 01:38:36,719
had the chance to spar with Jon Jones to

3192
01:38:33,679 --> 01:38:38,639
to work with Jon Jones." And he goes, "I

3193
01:38:36,719 --> 01:38:40,239
you know, I I knew about it months ahead

3194
01:38:38,639 --> 01:38:42,400
of time." He goes, "I got every my

3195
01:38:40,238 --> 01:38:44,559
nutrition, everything was absolutely

3196
01:38:42,399 --> 01:38:46,000
flawless. I got, you know, my sleep,

3197
01:38:44,560 --> 01:38:47,760
everything was on." He goes, "I show up

3198
01:38:46,000 --> 01:38:50,079
at the gym that morning." He goes,

3199
01:38:47,760 --> 01:38:52,239
>> it's me and five other guys. He goes, he

3200
01:38:50,079 --> 01:38:54,319
comes in, I think he went to sleep at 4

3201
01:38:52,238 --> 01:38:56,238
in the morning or something. out and he

3202
01:38:54,319 --> 01:38:57,439
goes he ran through all six.

3203
01:38:56,238 --> 01:38:58,952
>> That's my buddy Brennan Shaw.

3204
01:38:57,439 --> 01:39:00,960
>> Is that who it was? Okay. Yeah.

3205
01:38:58,953 --> 01:39:02,400
[laughter] It was the funniest story.

3206
01:39:00,960 --> 01:39:05,520
And he goes and then I just knew, you

3207
01:39:02,399 --> 01:39:07,759
know, like that's that's a level like

3208
01:39:05,520 --> 01:39:10,719
but imagine being that elite

3209
01:39:07,760 --> 01:39:12,480
>> and and realizing there's another level.

3210
01:39:10,719 --> 01:39:13,920
>> Yeah. Oh yeah. Brendan was a top 10

3211
01:39:12,479 --> 01:39:15,279
heavyweight and John wasn't even a

3212
01:39:13,920 --> 01:39:16,158
heavyweight. John was a light

3213
01:39:15,279 --> 01:39:18,880
heavyweight.

3214
01:39:16,158 --> 01:39:20,479
>> It was a lower weight class and he just

3215
01:39:18,880 --> 01:39:22,533
beat everybody's ass. And he said this

3216
01:39:20,479 --> 01:39:23,759
is his warm-up.

3217
01:39:22,533 --> 01:39:25,760
>> [laughter]

3218
01:39:23,760 --> 01:39:27,600
>> He's just kidding. They just

3219
01:39:25,760 --> 01:39:30,239
everybody up. I mean, he has a unique

3220
01:39:27,600 --> 01:39:32,480
aptitude for MMA, but also he had two

3221
01:39:30,238 --> 01:39:33,919
brothers that were super athletes. Yeah.

3222
01:39:32,479 --> 01:39:35,919
Played for the Patriots and Arthur.

3223
01:39:33,920 --> 01:39:37,118
>> And so, these guys are super athletes.

3224
01:39:35,920 --> 01:39:38,880
And so, they're beating the out of

3225
01:39:37,118 --> 01:39:41,198
each other all the time. So, they're

3226
01:39:38,880 --> 01:39:43,279
like constantly in competition with

3227
01:39:41,198 --> 01:39:44,158
elite athletes from the time he was a

3228
01:39:43,279 --> 01:39:46,479
child. Yeah.

3229
01:39:44,158 --> 01:39:49,519
>> So, he was just so tuned into

3230
01:39:46,479 --> 01:39:52,158
competition and he he so intelligent

3231
01:39:49,520 --> 01:39:54,080
like his fight IQ was above and beyond

3232
01:39:52,158 --> 01:39:54,879
everyone's and he would study tape

3233
01:39:54,079 --> 01:39:57,600
meticulously.

3234
01:39:54,880 --> 01:39:59,920
>> Well, that that that spinning kick that

3235
01:39:57,600 --> 01:40:01,679
he did to that

3236
01:39:59,920 --> 01:40:03,679
where he where he said he

3237
01:40:01,679 --> 01:40:05,840
>> and I think he thanked his taekwond do

3238
01:40:03,679 --> 01:40:08,480
coach and he said he had been working on

3239
01:40:05,840 --> 01:40:10,319
this one specific kick from both sides.

3240
01:40:08,479 --> 01:40:13,759
>> Yeah. because of something he saw in the

3241
01:40:10,319 --> 01:40:17,118
tape. And he and he got it off and hit

3242
01:40:13,760 --> 01:40:18,719
this guy so hard, not even on not even

3243
01:40:17,118 --> 01:40:20,559
on his liver side. He hit him on the

3244
01:40:18,719 --> 01:40:22,800
other side and you see it shutter

3245
01:40:20,560 --> 01:40:25,679
through his entire like organ structure.

3246
01:40:22,800 --> 01:40:27,440
>> Yeah. He his heel was deep into his body

3247
01:40:25,679 --> 01:40:30,480
cavity like all the way up to his

3248
01:40:27,439 --> 01:40:34,319
gnarly like and but he had but

3249
01:40:30,479 --> 01:40:36,319
he he he just practice this one specific

3250
01:40:34,319 --> 01:40:38,960
>> and he was like and he even said he goes

3251
01:40:36,319 --> 01:40:40,719
it is a devastating shot like there's

3252
01:40:38,960 --> 01:40:42,239
not a human being who could take that.

3253
01:40:40,719 --> 01:40:42,560
>> No, it's like getting hit by a car.

3254
01:40:42,238 --> 01:40:43,359
>> Yeah,

3255
01:40:42,560 --> 01:40:46,480
>> because when you

3256
01:40:43,359 --> 01:40:48,319
>> But getting hit by a car in one spot

3257
01:40:46,479 --> 01:40:48,718
the size of a foot, the size of a 13

3258
01:40:48,319 --> 01:40:50,079
foot.

3259
01:40:48,719 --> 01:40:52,480
>> Oh yeah, here it is. Watch this.

3260
01:40:50,079 --> 01:40:53,840
>> He sets him up. Boom.

3261
01:40:52,479 --> 01:40:55,279
It's just

3262
01:40:53,840 --> 01:40:56,000
>> it's like, yeah, no, it's over. It's

3263
01:40:55,279 --> 01:40:57,920
over. It's over.

3264
01:40:56,000 --> 01:40:59,279
>> And this is John moving up to

3265
01:40:57,920 --> 01:41:01,039
heavyweight because light heavyweight

3266
01:40:59,279 --> 01:41:02,960
wasn't a challenge anymore. He decided

3267
01:41:01,039 --> 01:41:04,319
to become a two division champion. I

3268
01:41:02,960 --> 01:41:05,600
mean, John was a freak.

3269
01:41:04,319 --> 01:41:07,279
>> You see it rumbling through.

3270
01:41:05,600 --> 01:41:09,280
>> And by the way, that was almost a little

3271
01:41:07,279 --> 01:41:11,920
bit glancing cuz he caught him with a

3272
01:41:09,279 --> 01:41:13,519
bent leg like he wasn't even fully

3273
01:41:11,920 --> 01:41:16,000
extended, which you know

3274
01:41:13,520 --> 01:41:17,520
>> was even more devast. But John realized

3275
01:41:16,000 --> 01:41:19,118
that as a heavyweight, he didn't have

3276
01:41:17,520 --> 01:41:20,639
the power that he had at light

3277
01:41:19,118 --> 01:41:22,479
heavyweight. And so he said, "The most

3278
01:41:20,639 --> 01:41:23,920
powerful kick is a spinning back kick.

3279
01:41:22,479 --> 01:41:25,279
So I'm just going to work on that kick

3280
01:41:23,920 --> 01:41:27,039
over and over again because that's the

3281
01:41:25,279 --> 01:41:28,238
one tool that I have that can knock a

3282
01:41:27,039 --> 01:41:29,519
heavyweight out with one shot."

3283
01:41:28,238 --> 01:41:30,158
>> Wow. Okay.

3284
01:41:29,520 --> 01:41:31,679
>> That's just

3285
01:41:30,158 --> 01:41:32,479
>> It's not just the physicals of He's also

3286
01:41:31,679 --> 01:41:33,279
like a genius.

3287
01:41:32,479 --> 01:41:36,158
>> He's a genius.

3288
01:41:33,279 --> 01:41:37,840
>> Well, he's also like he's the most

3289
01:41:36,158 --> 01:41:39,439
meticulous when it comes to game

3290
01:41:37,840 --> 01:41:41,440
planning and study. He will not take a

3291
01:41:39,439 --> 01:41:43,198
short notice fight. Even a guy that he

3292
01:41:41,439 --> 01:41:44,479
could beat any day of the week.

3293
01:41:43,198 --> 01:41:45,919
You can wake him up at 3:00 in the

3294
01:41:44,479 --> 01:41:47,839
morning. He could that guy up. we

3295
01:41:45,920 --> 01:41:49,920
will not take that fight unless he gets

3296
01:41:47,840 --> 01:41:51,119
a full training camp to prepare for that

3297
01:41:49,920 --> 01:41:52,880
fight.

3298
01:41:51,118 --> 01:41:54,799
>> Well, it's just, you know, greatness.

3299
01:41:52,880 --> 01:41:57,279
But John's troubled. You know, John's

3300
01:41:54,800 --> 01:41:59,600
been arrested a bunch of times and DUIs

3301
01:41:57,279 --> 01:42:02,079
and all kinds of crazy and he's,

3302
01:41:59,600 --> 01:42:04,400
you know, he's a wild fella. And, you

3303
01:42:02,079 --> 01:42:06,238
know, and that pursuit of greatness, I'm

3304
01:42:04,399 --> 01:42:08,399
sure, has cost him a lot of in his

3305
01:42:06,238 --> 01:42:10,238
personal life. Yeah, [snorts]

3306
01:42:08,399 --> 01:42:11,759
>> but you know when he knocks Deepay out

3307
01:42:10,238 --> 01:42:13,439
and then did the Trump dance in front of

3308
01:42:11,760 --> 01:42:16,079
the whole world like [laughter]

3309
01:42:13,439 --> 01:42:18,479
>> for that moment he's on top of the world

3310
01:42:16,079 --> 01:42:20,479
you know but then again it's like the

3311
01:42:18,479 --> 01:42:22,158
same thing you're as soon as you get

3312
01:42:20,479 --> 01:42:23,519
back like what's next

3313
01:42:22,158 --> 01:42:25,279
>> you know there's there's another

3314
01:42:23,520 --> 01:42:26,960
challenge doesn't matter how many how

3315
01:42:25,279 --> 01:42:28,960
many people love you now like it's not

3316
01:42:26,960 --> 01:42:30,399
good enough there's someone else looming

3317
01:42:28,960 --> 01:42:32,239
you got to beat this guy

3318
01:42:30,399 --> 01:42:34,559
>> that seems like a kind of an agonizing

3319
01:42:32,238 --> 01:42:36,718
thing to both have the like complete

3320
01:42:34,560 --> 01:42:39,520
compulsion to have to get to the next

3321
01:42:36,719 --> 01:42:41,039
level and the next level keeps

3322
01:42:39,520 --> 01:42:43,440
moving the goalpost. You

3323
01:42:41,039 --> 01:42:45,760
>> I'll never forget um I interviewed Matt

3324
01:42:43,439 --> 01:42:48,000
Hughes after he lost to BJ Penn. He lost

3325
01:42:45,760 --> 01:42:49,840
the welterweight title to BJ Penn and

3326
01:42:48,000 --> 01:42:51,198
I'm interviewing him inside the octagon.

3327
01:42:49,840 --> 01:42:53,679
He said I'm going to be honest with you

3328
01:42:51,198 --> 01:42:55,599
is actually a relief. And he goes, "The

3329
01:42:53,679 --> 01:42:58,639
pressure of being the champion and

3330
01:42:55,600 --> 01:43:00,239
having someone chasing you for so in the

3331
01:42:58,639 --> 01:43:01,440
whole world chasing you." He goes, "I'm

3332
01:43:00,238 --> 01:43:03,118
going to be I thought it was an

3333
01:43:01,439 --> 01:43:05,839
incredibly

3334
01:43:03,118 --> 01:43:08,158
>> brave moment for a guy to say that who

3335
01:43:05,840 --> 01:43:10,880
is, you know, just this amazing

3336
01:43:08,158 --> 01:43:12,960
human being, this warrior to say, I just

3337
01:43:10,880 --> 01:43:15,039
got to be honest. It's a relief. Losing

3338
01:43:12,960 --> 01:43:16,480
my title feels like a relief."

3339
01:43:15,039 --> 01:43:20,238
>> And [snorts] I was like, "Wow." Like

3340
01:43:16,479 --> 01:43:21,599
that that is so so brave to be that

3341
01:43:20,238 --> 01:43:22,799
honest in front of the because

3342
01:43:21,600 --> 01:43:25,600
everybody's like you just got your ass

3343
01:43:22,800 --> 01:43:27,199
kicked. It's like I'm this is a relief.

3344
01:43:25,600 --> 01:43:28,880
>> You know, it took a burden off my back.

3345
01:43:27,198 --> 01:43:31,678
I'll be back. I'm going to regroup. But

3346
01:43:28,880 --> 01:43:33,279
I I needed that. I needed to just

3347
01:43:31,679 --> 01:43:34,960
>> step off the top of the hill for

3348
01:43:33,279 --> 01:43:36,719
a little while. Jesus Christ.

3349
01:43:34,960 --> 01:43:38,639
>> You got to be like a great actually

3350
01:43:36,719 --> 01:43:39,920
relief to be able to say something like

3351
01:43:38,639 --> 01:43:41,679
that. It's kind of a gift instead of

3352
01:43:39,920 --> 01:43:43,118
feeling like you got to hide or pretend

3353
01:43:41,679 --> 01:43:44,480
it and go, "Yeah, I'm hiding from my

3354
01:43:43,118 --> 01:43:46,000
leaves. It was a lot to carry and

3355
01:43:44,479 --> 01:43:47,678
now I you know." Well, the thing about

3356
01:43:46,000 --> 01:43:49,920
fighting is everything you try to hide

3357
01:43:47,679 --> 01:43:52,399
gets exposed. You're exposed completely

3358
01:43:49,920 --> 01:43:54,399
during camp because they're doing these

3359
01:43:52,399 --> 01:43:55,519
these round what they take like

3360
01:43:54,399 --> 01:43:57,599
>> try if I was here.

3361
01:43:55,520 --> 01:44:00,960
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Smoke up. They're

3362
01:43:57,600 --> 01:44:03,600
taking like, you know, five guys and

3363
01:44:00,960 --> 01:44:05,840
they're rotating them in with you. So,

3364
01:44:03,600 --> 01:44:08,400
you're doing five rounds with fresh

3365
01:44:05,840 --> 01:44:10,239
guys. So you got one guy who's

3366
01:44:08,399 --> 01:44:11,679
warmed up, getting, you know, getting

3367
01:44:10,238 --> 01:44:13,359
ready for you and then you're

3368
01:44:11,679 --> 01:44:14,960
out of breath and they give you a 30

3369
01:44:13,359 --> 01:44:16,799
second break instead of a minute and

3370
01:44:14,960 --> 01:44:18,480
then they're throwing in these monsters

3371
01:44:16,800 --> 01:44:20,079
and, you know, you're exposed. You're

3372
01:44:18,479 --> 01:44:21,519
you're getting beat in training. You're

3373
01:44:20,079 --> 01:44:23,600
getting smothered in training. You're

3374
01:44:21,520 --> 01:44:26,000
you're exhausted. You know, you're

3375
01:44:23,600 --> 01:44:27,600
always reaching your limits cuz the only

3376
01:44:26,000 --> 01:44:29,520
way to surpass those limits is to hit

3377
01:44:27,600 --> 01:44:30,719
them. You got to hit them and then they

3378
01:44:29,520 --> 01:44:32,239
got to figure out where that limit is

3379
01:44:30,719 --> 01:44:33,920
and okay, next week we're going to do

3380
01:44:32,238 --> 01:44:34,799
one extra round. We're going to do this.

3381
01:44:33,920 --> 01:44:36,158
We're going to do that. we got to do

3382
01:44:34,800 --> 01:44:37,600
more strength and conditioning. We're

3383
01:44:36,158 --> 01:44:39,759
going to push you past wherever your

3384
01:44:37,600 --> 01:44:42,079
capacity is right now. So, you're always

3385
01:44:39,760 --> 01:44:44,320
breaking. You're always you're always at

3386
01:44:42,079 --> 01:44:45,840
the point where you can do no more

3387
01:44:44,319 --> 01:44:47,759
because it's the only way to and you can

3388
01:44:45,840 --> 01:44:49,199
only maintain that like the condition

3389
01:44:47,760 --> 01:44:51,199
that they get in when they step into the

3390
01:44:49,198 --> 01:44:53,439
octagon. It's not possible to maintain

3391
01:44:51,198 --> 01:44:56,000
that. No, right. You can only get

3392
01:44:53,439 --> 01:44:58,079
>> you have to aim at that one moment and

3393
01:44:56,000 --> 01:44:59,840
yeah, you have to peak and then if you

3394
01:44:58,079 --> 01:45:01,198
up and overtrain, which a lot of

3395
01:44:59,840 --> 01:45:02,639
those guys do just because they're such

3396
01:45:01,198 --> 01:45:04,799
savages, they never want to leave the

3397
01:45:02,639 --> 01:45:06,159
gym. Then they don't peak right and then

3398
01:45:04,800 --> 01:45:07,840
they come in and they're exhausted and

3399
01:45:06,158 --> 01:45:09,439
they didn't recover properly and then in

3400
01:45:07,840 --> 01:45:10,800
between rounds they're too tired and

3401
01:45:09,439 --> 01:45:13,359
they can't go out for the next round.

3402
01:45:10,800 --> 01:45:15,360
They're too beat up. That happens too.

3403
01:45:13,359 --> 01:45:17,439
>> I imagine that level of exhaustion has

3404
01:45:15,359 --> 01:45:19,920
to be just insane when you overtrain.

3405
01:45:17,439 --> 01:45:22,319
>> Oh god. you're in an actual championship

3406
01:45:19,920 --> 01:45:24,319
>> and you realized you're there's no you

3407
01:45:22,319 --> 01:45:26,158
can't bounce back and this guy is

3408
01:45:24,319 --> 01:45:28,000
blasting your legs with kicks

3409
01:45:26,158 --> 01:45:29,759
and hitting you with punches and you

3410
01:45:28,000 --> 01:45:31,439
can't get out of the way anymore.

3411
01:45:29,760 --> 01:45:33,280
>> Do you think who who was it? Was it

3412
01:45:31,439 --> 01:45:35,519
Khabib who said that they they should

3413
01:45:33,279 --> 01:45:37,840
just do 25 minute just

3414
01:45:35,520 --> 01:45:41,040
>> Oh, a lot of people said that I mean

3415
01:45:37,840 --> 01:45:43,920
that's a what

3416
01:45:41,039 --> 01:45:44,960
songs are playing. What's going on

3417
01:45:43,920 --> 01:45:46,719
technology?

3418
01:45:44,960 --> 01:45:47,520
>> The Tesy brothers playing in my pocket.

3419
01:45:46,719 --> 01:45:48,960
That's hilarious.

3420
01:45:47,520 --> 01:45:50,880
>> Um, sorry about that. Uh,

3421
01:45:48,960 --> 01:45:52,560
>> well, Hoist Gracie always said that.

3422
01:45:50,880 --> 01:45:53,039
Like that was how he fought in the early

3423
01:45:52,560 --> 01:45:54,719
days.

3424
01:45:53,039 --> 01:45:56,000
>> They just straight 25 minutes

3425
01:45:54,719 --> 01:45:57,439
>> because he was like, "Look," he goes,

3426
01:45:56,000 --> 01:45:58,960
"Uh, if we're on the ground," he goes,

3427
01:45:57,439 --> 01:46:01,039
"I don't want them to stand back up

3428
01:45:58,960 --> 01:46:02,960
again and go in between rounds." And he

3429
01:46:01,039 --> 01:46:05,359
goes, "I need time to cook them." That's

3430
01:46:02,960 --> 01:46:06,560
what he would say. Yeah. Yeah. It was I

3431
01:46:05,359 --> 01:46:08,719
mean, that's what jiu-jitsu is all

3432
01:46:06,560 --> 01:46:10,800
about. Jiu-Jitsu is all about staying

3433
01:46:08,719 --> 01:46:13,039
one step ahead of you until you become

3434
01:46:10,800 --> 01:46:14,320
exhausted and you know and then they

3435
01:46:13,039 --> 01:46:15,840
eventually finish you

3436
01:46:14,319 --> 01:46:16,880
>> like a like a just

3437
01:46:15,840 --> 01:46:20,079
>> throw a constrict.

3438
01:46:16,880 --> 01:46:21,920
>> Yeah. Yeah. I mean it's the real that's

3439
01:46:20,079 --> 01:46:24,719
but you know there's this balance of

3440
01:46:21,920 --> 01:46:27,520
like making it interesting for this for

3441
01:46:24,719 --> 01:46:29,840
people to watch. I I've been a proponent

3442
01:46:27,520 --> 01:46:31,520
of no standups. Don't ever stand anybody

3443
01:46:29,840 --> 01:46:32,800
up when a guy takes you down. Like you

3444
01:46:31,520 --> 01:46:34,639
get an advantage at the beginning of the

3445
01:46:32,800 --> 01:46:36,639
round anyway because a striker gets to

3446
01:46:34,639 --> 01:46:38,239
be standing up when you didn't earn it.

3447
01:46:36,639 --> 01:46:39,440
So you should never get stood up in a

3448
01:46:38,238 --> 01:46:40,959
fight. I don't care if the guy's doing

3449
01:46:39,439 --> 01:46:42,158
nothing. If he's holding you down and

3450
01:46:40,960 --> 01:46:44,480
you can't get up, that's how it should

3451
01:46:42,158 --> 01:46:46,479
be. So it's more realistic. But it's the

3452
01:46:44,479 --> 01:46:46,959
balance of it being a sport. People want

3453
01:46:46,479 --> 01:46:48,559
to watch.

3454
01:46:46,960 --> 01:46:49,840
>> Yeah. Making it because people get when

3455
01:46:48,560 --> 01:46:51,920
people grab someone to take him to the

3456
01:46:49,840 --> 01:46:53,760
ground, nothing happen. People go, you

3457
01:46:51,920 --> 01:46:55,359
hear the audience and then the referee

3458
01:46:53,760 --> 01:46:57,199
gets a little motivated and he stands

3459
01:46:55,359 --> 01:46:58,639
people up and I'm always like, "Ah,

3460
01:46:57,198 --> 01:47:00,000
don't stand them up." It's

3461
01:46:58,639 --> 01:47:01,440
>> I never thought of it that way that the

3462
01:47:00,000 --> 01:47:02,399
beginning of the round starts it to the

3463
01:47:01,439 --> 01:47:04,879
advantage of the

3464
01:47:02,399 --> 01:47:06,799
>> always always you're you're in a

3465
01:47:04,880 --> 01:47:08,159
position you didn't earn you never got

3466
01:47:06,800 --> 01:47:09,440
back up. You know I think they should

3467
01:47:08,158 --> 01:47:10,960
put them right back to where they were

3468
01:47:09,439 --> 01:47:13,039
at the end of the round because it's one

3469
01:47:10,960 --> 01:47:14,319
fight. It's not five fights. So if you

3470
01:47:13,039 --> 01:47:15,679
start it standing up and at the

3471
01:47:14,319 --> 01:47:16,479
beginning of each round that's a new

3472
01:47:15,679 --> 01:47:17,199
fight.

3473
01:47:16,479 --> 01:47:20,238
>> Yeah. Right.

3474
01:47:17,198 --> 01:47:21,919
>> In a way when you're pitching like how

3475
01:47:20,238 --> 01:47:22,238
quickly would the UFC go out of business

3476
01:47:21,920 --> 01:47:24,399
if

3477
01:47:22,238 --> 01:47:26,079
>> real quick 30 seconds they're on the

3478
01:47:24,399 --> 01:47:27,839
ground and then it's 24 and a half

3479
01:47:26,079 --> 01:47:30,238
minutes. Dude, I'm a terrible

3480
01:47:27,840 --> 01:47:32,639
businessman. [laughter] I I would give

3481
01:47:30,238 --> 01:47:33,839
the fighters more money. Like they would

3482
01:47:32,639 --> 01:47:35,920
I would up the whole business

3483
01:47:33,840 --> 01:47:37,760
model. I would uh I would get rid of the

3484
01:47:35,920 --> 01:47:39,840
cage. I would have them all fight in a

3485
01:47:37,760 --> 01:47:41,520
basketball court. Just put mats on the

3486
01:47:39,840 --> 01:47:42,960
ground in the basketball court. I don't

3487
01:47:41,520 --> 01:47:44,960
think you should have a cage. I think

3488
01:47:42,960 --> 01:47:46,719
the cage gets in the way. It becomes a

3489
01:47:44,960 --> 01:47:48,239
way to get back up because you press

3490
01:47:46,719 --> 01:47:50,319
your back up against the cage. You can

3491
01:47:48,238 --> 01:47:52,000
use it to stand back up again and you're

3492
01:47:50,319 --> 01:47:53,840
in the middle of the center of a mat.

3493
01:47:52,000 --> 01:47:55,198
It's very difficult to get back up. And

3494
01:47:53,840 --> 01:47:56,880
that's realistic,

3495
01:47:55,198 --> 01:47:59,039
>> right? you know, you're using a foreign

3496
01:47:56,880 --> 01:47:59,920
object to help you perform. Yeah. Right.

3497
01:47:59,039 --> 01:48:01,679
Yeah. But,

3498
01:47:59,920 --> 01:48:03,760
>> you know, there's the whole macho thing

3499
01:48:01,679 --> 01:48:06,158
about people fighting in a cage and it's

3500
01:48:03,760 --> 01:48:06,960
like they lock you in there [laughter]

3501
01:48:06,158 --> 01:48:10,000
match.

3502
01:48:06,960 --> 01:48:13,279
>> Yeah. It's just uh but I mean in terms

3503
01:48:10,000 --> 01:48:15,279
of like inspirational performances and

3504
01:48:13,279 --> 01:48:17,840
things that you when you see like the

3505
01:48:15,279 --> 01:48:20,000
human spirit elevated to the the the

3506
01:48:17,840 --> 01:48:23,360
highest possible place when two very

3507
01:48:20,000 --> 01:48:25,198
skilled men or women are fighting in a

3508
01:48:23,359 --> 01:48:27,198
cage where they prepared for this for

3509
01:48:25,198 --> 01:48:29,118
three months and then you know

3510
01:48:27,198 --> 01:48:31,599
the referee's like are you ready? Are

3511
01:48:29,118 --> 01:48:35,039
you ready? Let's go. And it's like that

3512
01:48:31,600 --> 01:48:36,719
moment like is it's not not like

3513
01:48:35,039 --> 01:48:38,238
anything else in all sports. I think

3514
01:48:36,719 --> 01:48:40,239
that's the moment that like people show

3515
01:48:38,238 --> 01:48:41,599
up for cuz they build the intensity.

3516
01:48:40,238 --> 01:48:43,678
It's the same with like the old Tyson

3517
01:48:41,600 --> 01:48:46,560
fights or whatever like now it's going

3518
01:48:43,679 --> 01:48:48,399
to happen and there there you can't help

3519
01:48:46,560 --> 01:48:49,840
but have that feeling once it you know

3520
01:48:48,399 --> 01:48:51,439
and yeah some fights end up being

3521
01:48:49,840 --> 01:48:52,960
disappointing whatever but there that

3522
01:48:51,439 --> 01:48:55,039
moment is always there.

3523
01:48:52,960 --> 01:48:56,480
>> Well, Tyson was a crazy example of what

3524
01:48:55,039 --> 01:48:58,319
we were talking about with greatness

3525
01:48:56,479 --> 01:49:00,079
because like you could dedicate your

3526
01:48:58,319 --> 01:49:01,759
whole life. You could get up in

3527
01:49:00,079 --> 01:49:03,279
the morning at the right time. You could

3528
01:49:01,760 --> 01:49:05,039
eat all the right foods. you could do

3529
01:49:03,279 --> 01:49:07,599
all the right training, but then you see

3530
01:49:05,039 --> 01:49:08,479
that guy like smoke [laughter]

3531
01:49:07,600 --> 01:49:11,039
13 seconds.

3532
01:49:08,479 --> 01:49:13,118
>> There's nothing I can do. I have no

3533
01:49:11,039 --> 01:49:14,639
chance. You know, by looking at he had

3534
01:49:13,118 --> 01:49:15,839
the just a look in his eye and you it

3535
01:49:14,639 --> 01:49:17,679
was one of the only fighters where you

3536
01:49:15,840 --> 01:49:19,279
just see the other guy was scared.

3537
01:49:17,679 --> 01:49:21,039
>> Usually they at least hold himself

3538
01:49:19,279 --> 01:49:22,238
together where they come off like, "Oh,

3539
01:49:21,039 --> 01:49:24,639
I don't know. This guy looks pretty

3540
01:49:22,238 --> 01:49:26,319
tough." Guys would fight Tyson and just

3541
01:49:24,639 --> 01:49:28,239
would start and they'd feel that moment

3542
01:49:26,319 --> 01:49:30,559
too. Oh they're letting this tiger

3543
01:49:28,238 --> 01:49:31,839
out and here he comes. And it was like,

3544
01:49:30,560 --> 01:49:33,520
>> well, we're old enough to remember when

3545
01:49:31,840 --> 01:49:35,039
he was in his prime and those fights

3546
01:49:33,520 --> 01:49:36,639
were like executions. You didn't want to

3547
01:49:35,039 --> 01:49:40,079
pay for the pay-per-view because they

3548
01:49:36,639 --> 01:49:41,760
were so I I swear I mean I mean Jamie

3549
01:49:40,079 --> 01:49:43,679
might be able to prove me wrong, but I'm

3550
01:49:41,760 --> 01:49:45,520
pretty sure that they cut to Alex

3551
01:49:43,679 --> 01:49:47,359
Stewart and they cut to his wife and she

3552
01:49:45,520 --> 01:49:48,880
was crying [laughter]

3553
01:49:47,359 --> 01:49:50,639
>> and this is when they're coming to the

3554
01:49:48,880 --> 01:49:52,400
center of the ring and she But by the

3555
01:49:50,639 --> 01:49:54,000
way, for good reason. Like this man

3556
01:49:52,399 --> 01:49:54,960
might kill my husband, right?

3557
01:49:54,000 --> 01:49:56,238
>> You know what I mean? like

3558
01:49:54,960 --> 01:49:58,079
>> he's certainly going to beat the

3559
01:49:56,238 --> 01:49:59,039
out of him and she knows it and the

3560
01:49:58,079 --> 01:50:00,238
world knows it and

3561
01:49:59,039 --> 01:50:02,479
>> guys were ready to quit. Remember that

3562
01:50:00,238 --> 01:50:04,079
dude Hurricane or whatever white kid who

3563
01:50:02,479 --> 01:50:05,678
fought him when

3564
01:50:04,079 --> 01:50:07,679
>> his guy couldn't wait to throw the towel

3565
01:50:05,679 --> 01:50:08,560
in. He had it ready like you know he was

3566
01:50:07,679 --> 01:50:08,880
ready to go. All right, that's it.

3567
01:50:08,560 --> 01:50:10,239
That's good.

3568
01:50:08,880 --> 01:50:11,760
>> The bell rings he picks up the towel.

3569
01:50:10,238 --> 01:50:13,039
>> Yeah, [laughter] you got save your guy's

3570
01:50:11,760 --> 01:50:14,719
life. You know what I mean?

3571
01:50:13,039 --> 01:50:16,560
>> McNeel is up now, too. When you

3572
01:50:14,719 --> 01:50:18,158
hear him talk, it's rough. It's rough to

3573
01:50:16,560 --> 01:50:19,840
hear. Really? Yeah. I saw him get

3574
01:50:18,158 --> 01:50:22,158
interviewed recently. That's the dark

3575
01:50:19,840 --> 01:50:24,079
side of the sport of of MMA and of

3576
01:50:22,158 --> 01:50:26,000
fighting. You know, you you talk like I

3577
01:50:24,079 --> 01:50:27,760
had Johnny Knoxville on here yesterday

3578
01:50:26,000 --> 01:50:29,439
and Johnny Knoxville was knocked

3579
01:50:27,760 --> 01:50:30,000
unconscious 16 times.

3580
01:50:29,439 --> 01:50:31,519
>> Jesus Christ.

3581
01:50:30,000 --> 01:50:34,560
>> Yeah, that's what I said. And I'm like,

3582
01:50:31,520 --> 01:50:36,080
"Holy man." And he seems normal.

3583
01:50:34,560 --> 01:50:37,679
Like, he doesn't seem like he's got

3584
01:50:36,079 --> 01:50:39,679
brain damage. Now, when you're talking

3585
01:50:37,679 --> 01:50:41,679
to guys and you know they have brain

3586
01:50:39,679 --> 01:50:43,359
damage, they're slurring their words and

3587
01:50:41,679 --> 01:50:45,279
they're still fighting.

3588
01:50:43,359 --> 01:50:47,359
>> Their words all mumble together. Like,

3589
01:50:45,279 --> 01:50:48,399
you have no idea how much they're

3590
01:50:47,359 --> 01:50:49,759
struggling.

3591
01:50:48,399 --> 01:50:51,679
>> Like, and they'll they're going to be

3592
01:50:49,760 --> 01:50:52,719
struggling in a downhill slope for the

3593
01:50:51,679 --> 01:50:54,480
rest of their life. It's not going to

3594
01:50:52,719 --> 01:50:56,800
get better. It's going to get way worse

3595
01:50:54,479 --> 01:50:58,718
cuz the real brain damage occurs like 10

3596
01:50:56,800 --> 01:50:59,679
years after the the injuries. That's

3597
01:50:58,719 --> 01:51:01,279
when it really sets up.

3598
01:50:59,679 --> 01:51:02,800
>> Really starts like just keeps

3599
01:51:01,279 --> 01:51:05,279
>> keep getting worse. I mean, there's some

3600
01:51:02,800 --> 01:51:08,239
therapies that they can do now. There's

3601
01:51:05,279 --> 01:51:10,559
uh like they they do and Knoxville did

3602
01:51:08,238 --> 01:51:12,879
some of it like this magnetic therapy

3603
01:51:10,560 --> 01:51:16,159
that they do that reimulates neuron

3604
01:51:12,880 --> 01:51:18,719
growth and and oddly enough mushrooms

3605
01:51:16,158 --> 01:51:20,238
like psilocybin has been shown to all of

3606
01:51:18,719 --> 01:51:22,960
a sudden cure a whole bunch of

3607
01:51:20,238 --> 01:51:23,519
>> I know. Well, probably always has, you

3608
01:51:22,960 --> 01:51:25,279
know,

3609
01:51:23,520 --> 01:51:25,760
>> all of a sudden they acknowledging it.

3610
01:51:25,279 --> 01:51:27,039
Yeah.

3611
01:51:25,760 --> 01:51:28,560
>> Well, one of the things that's opening

3612
01:51:27,039 --> 01:51:29,439
the doors for them to acknowledge it is

3613
01:51:28,560 --> 01:51:31,280
soldiers

3614
01:51:29,439 --> 01:51:33,439
>> because it's always been kind of like a

3615
01:51:31,279 --> 01:51:36,000
leftwing wing thing to be into

3616
01:51:33,439 --> 01:51:38,319
psychedelics, but all these soldiers are

3617
01:51:36,000 --> 01:51:41,599
coming back with PTSD and drug addiction

3618
01:51:38,319 --> 01:51:44,238
and a lot of CTE from, you know, bombs

3619
01:51:41,599 --> 01:51:45,520
blowing up and IEDs and concussions and

3620
01:51:44,238 --> 01:51:47,519
the only thing that's helping them is

3621
01:51:45,520 --> 01:51:50,080
psychedelics. So, it's kind of like in

3622
01:51:47,520 --> 01:51:52,080
Texas, uh, former Governor Rick Perry

3623
01:51:50,079 --> 01:51:54,319
has started the Ibeane initiative. So,

3624
01:51:52,079 --> 01:51:56,639
they're using Ibeane to help all these

3625
01:51:54,319 --> 01:51:58,960
different soldiers, which is ironically

3626
01:51:56,639 --> 01:52:00,800
the drug that Hunter S. Thompson claimed

3627
01:51:58,960 --> 01:52:02,000
Ed Musky was on when he was running for

3628
01:52:00,800 --> 01:52:04,159
president. Oh, really? Yeah. [laughter]

3629
01:52:02,000 --> 01:52:04,479
Remember when he sank Ed Musky's? It's

3630
01:52:04,158 --> 01:52:05,759
if

3631
01:52:04,479 --> 01:52:07,839
>> What is I gain? I

3632
01:52:05,760 --> 01:52:09,599
>> It's from the Aboga tree. And it is a

3633
01:52:07,840 --> 01:52:12,159
psychedelic that is in no way

3634
01:52:09,599 --> 01:52:13,920
recreational. It is a very difficult

3635
01:52:12,158 --> 01:52:16,559
experience. It's not fun for anybody.

3636
01:52:13,920 --> 01:52:18,158
It's like a 24-hour trip. I haven't done

3637
01:52:16,560 --> 01:52:20,400
it, but my friends that have done it say

3638
01:52:18,158 --> 01:52:23,519
that it's basically like you see your

3639
01:52:20,399 --> 01:52:26,158
entire life play out before you. You see

3640
01:52:23,520 --> 01:52:28,159
where all your problems come from. You

3641
01:52:26,158 --> 01:52:31,598
see where all of your emotional hitches

3642
01:52:28,158 --> 01:52:35,439
are. Yeah. And with addictions, it has

3643
01:52:31,599 --> 01:52:37,119
an 80% 80 I think it's 84% with one

3644
01:52:35,439 --> 01:52:39,678
treatment, they quit whatever they're

3645
01:52:37,118 --> 01:52:42,399
hooked on. Not only that, it rewires the

3646
01:52:39,679 --> 01:52:44,079
brain. So the physical pathways to

3647
01:52:42,399 --> 01:52:46,719
addiction, like someone addict to

3648
01:52:44,079 --> 01:52:48,399
opiates, gone, completely severed. So

3649
01:52:46,719 --> 01:52:50,399
you literally don't have a physical

3650
01:52:48,399 --> 01:52:52,638
addiction to opiates anymore. So with

3651
01:52:50,399 --> 01:52:53,279
one treatment, 80 plus% of people

3652
01:52:52,639 --> 01:52:56,079
>> That's incredible.

3653
01:52:53,279 --> 01:52:56,719
>> With two treatments, it's in the '9s.

3654
01:52:56,079 --> 01:52:58,319
>> That's amazing.

3655
01:52:56,719 --> 01:53:00,719
>> It's amazing. And it's been illegal, you

3656
01:52:58,319 --> 01:53:02,559
know, since like 1970 in this country.

3657
01:53:00,719 --> 01:53:04,719
The sweeping psychedelics has like a

3658
01:53:02,560 --> 01:53:06,800
clinic or whatever. Well, Rick Perry um

3659
01:53:04,719 --> 01:53:07,840
because he's worked with soldiers and

3660
01:53:06,800 --> 01:53:10,079
because he's worked with a lot of

3661
01:53:07,840 --> 01:53:11,760
veterans that you know and he's a very

3662
01:53:10,079 --> 01:53:13,840
compassionate and intelligent man, he

3663
01:53:11,760 --> 01:53:16,320
realized like, okay, maybe I'm wrong

3664
01:53:13,840 --> 01:53:18,079
about all this psychedelic stuff. And so

3665
01:53:16,319 --> 01:53:20,079
he started getting behind this ibeane

3666
01:53:18,079 --> 01:53:21,679
initiative. They passed it in Texas and

3667
01:53:20,079 --> 01:53:22,639
now they're doing it with soldiers and

3668
01:53:21,679 --> 01:53:24,800
they're going to do it with police

3669
01:53:22,639 --> 01:53:26,719
officers. And I mean police officers

3670
01:53:24,800 --> 01:53:28,800
experience more PTSD. Like I I have a

3671
01:53:26,719 --> 01:53:30,560
good friend who was a cop in Austin and

3672
01:53:28,800 --> 01:53:32,480
he said and he was also in the military

3673
01:53:30,560 --> 01:53:34,560
and he said what I saw in the military

3674
01:53:32,479 --> 01:53:36,000
was nothing compared to what I saw as a

3675
01:53:34,560 --> 01:53:38,560
police officer. Really? He goes, "I was

3676
01:53:36,000 --> 01:53:40,319
seeing death and violence on a on a

3677
01:53:38,560 --> 01:53:42,159
daily basis." He goes, "When you're

3678
01:53:40,319 --> 01:53:43,359
deployed," he goes, "Yeah, you're you're

3679
01:53:42,158 --> 01:53:44,479
going to see some horrible but

3680
01:53:43,359 --> 01:53:46,799
you're going to see some horrible

3681
01:53:44,479 --> 01:53:49,359
mixed in, you know, over a course of

3682
01:53:46,800 --> 01:53:52,239
time where, you know, you go out and

3683
01:53:49,359 --> 01:53:53,679
things go live." goes like every day.

3684
01:53:52,238 --> 01:53:54,959
>> Every day you're going directly to

3685
01:53:53,679 --> 01:53:55,599
somebody who's having the worst moment

3686
01:53:54,960 --> 01:53:56,560
of their life.

3687
01:53:55,599 --> 01:53:58,079
>> And every day you're pulling someone

3688
01:53:56,560 --> 01:53:59,599
over and they might shoot you. Like you

3689
01:53:58,079 --> 01:54:02,000
have no idea. You're you're pulling up

3690
01:53:59,599 --> 01:54:03,679
to uh tinted windows. You don't know

3691
01:54:02,000 --> 01:54:05,520
what the is going on. You're

3692
01:54:03,679 --> 01:54:07,840
running the plate. The the license is

3693
01:54:05,520 --> 01:54:09,280
expired. You have no idea who's who's in

3694
01:54:07,840 --> 01:54:11,199
the car. You don't you don't know

3695
01:54:09,279 --> 01:54:12,880
anything. And you've seen all the

3696
01:54:11,198 --> 01:54:14,158
videos. We've all seen videos of cops

3697
01:54:12,880 --> 01:54:15,920
getting shot down like when they're

3698
01:54:14,158 --> 01:54:17,519
pulling over a car. We've all seen it.

3699
01:54:15,920 --> 01:54:20,158
And so these guys are living with this

3700
01:54:17,520 --> 01:54:21,920
PTSD all the time. And then they

3701
01:54:20,158 --> 01:54:23,439
have to live in real life. They they're

3702
01:54:21,920 --> 01:54:25,599
supposed to go home and they're supposed

3703
01:54:23,439 --> 01:54:28,000
to just be a normal dad and a normal

3704
01:54:25,599 --> 01:54:30,159
neighbor. And their head is just

3705
01:54:28,000 --> 01:54:32,399
a hurricane of chaos.

3706
01:54:30,158 --> 01:54:35,039
>> And I gain has been very beneficial for

3707
01:54:32,399 --> 01:54:38,079
those people to just just sort of come

3708
01:54:35,039 --> 01:54:40,238
down and and try to find the root of all

3709
01:54:38,079 --> 01:54:42,079
this stuff and and get them off pills

3710
01:54:40,238 --> 01:54:42,638
and and get them on the straight.

3711
01:54:42,079 --> 01:54:43,279
>> That's great.

3712
01:54:42,639 --> 01:54:44,960
>> Wow.

3713
01:54:43,279 --> 01:54:48,479
>> Oh, it's amazing. I don't know why we

3714
01:54:44,960 --> 01:54:51,279
got on the mushrooms. Oh, I because uh

3715
01:54:48,479 --> 01:54:53,839
during the Trump during the presidential

3716
01:54:51,279 --> 01:54:56,639
elections, he he started spreading these

3717
01:54:53,840 --> 01:54:58,560
rumors and it's in the the documentary

3718
01:54:56,639 --> 01:55:00,560
uh I what is it that documentary? Is it

3719
01:54:58,560 --> 01:55:02,639
Fear and Loathing?

3720
01:55:00,560 --> 01:55:04,000
>> Gonzo. Gonzo. That's right. In that

3721
01:55:02,639 --> 01:55:05,199
documentary, Gonzo, he talks about it.

3722
01:55:04,000 --> 01:55:06,880
So, he's getting interviewed by Dick

3723
01:55:05,198 --> 01:55:08,879
Cavitt and he goes [laughter] he goes,

3724
01:55:06,880 --> 01:55:10,719
"Yeah." He goes, "There was a a rumor

3725
01:55:08,880 --> 01:55:13,039
running around that uh Ed Musky was on

3726
01:55:10,719 --> 01:55:16,279
Ibagain and I I knew about it because uh

3727
01:55:13,039 --> 01:55:16,278
I started that rumor. [laughter]

3728
01:55:17,198 --> 01:55:21,759
But he made I sold it to him.

3729
01:55:19,359 --> 01:55:23,279
>> So the guy completely cracked. So like

3730
01:55:21,760 --> 01:55:25,679
this guy was like a frontr runner for

3731
01:55:23,279 --> 01:55:27,519
the president and he completely

3732
01:55:25,679 --> 01:55:29,599
cracked because everybody thought that

3733
01:55:27,520 --> 01:55:30,800
he was on drugs cuz H Conter Thompson

3734
01:55:29,599 --> 01:55:32,719
was just running around like saying

3735
01:55:30,800 --> 01:55:34,320
there's these Brazilian witch doctors

3736
01:55:32,719 --> 01:55:35,679
who are coming in to treat this guy.

3737
01:55:34,319 --> 01:55:37,679
It's crazy

3738
01:55:35,679 --> 01:55:39,599
>> That's [laughter] great.

3739
01:55:37,679 --> 01:55:41,520
>> They were like and Hunter would know.

3740
01:55:39,599 --> 01:55:43,360
>> Yeah. Yeah. But it's crazy that he chose

3741
01:55:41,520 --> 01:55:46,000
Ibgainane, too, because Ibgainane is

3742
01:55:43,359 --> 01:55:47,759
like it's not a recreational drug and

3743
01:55:46,000 --> 01:55:49,198
it's not a drug of addiction. It's a

3744
01:55:47,760 --> 01:55:50,800
literally a drug that stops addiction.

3745
01:55:49,198 --> 01:55:52,799
>> But that he was the guy that would have

3746
01:55:50,800 --> 01:55:54,560
the full c the whole book's full of

3747
01:55:52,800 --> 01:55:55,840
these esoteric drugs you never

3748
01:55:54,560 --> 01:55:57,920
heard of that you mentioned really

3749
01:55:55,840 --> 01:55:59,520
casual way like four of us stopped to

3750
01:55:57,920 --> 01:56:01,279
get ibeine at the one gas station that

3751
01:55:59,520 --> 01:56:02,639
sold between [laughter] needles and

3752
01:56:01,279 --> 01:56:04,158
nothing.

3753
01:56:02,639 --> 01:56:06,079
>> Yeah, sure. No, of course you did.

3754
01:56:04,158 --> 01:56:08,158
>> But it it does help people that have uh

3755
01:56:06,079 --> 01:56:10,880
brain damage as well. It's it's supposed

3756
01:56:08,158 --> 01:56:13,039
to like cause some sort of neuro

3757
01:56:10,880 --> 01:56:14,400
>> regeneration. Yeah. Yeah.

3758
01:56:13,039 --> 01:56:17,439
>> There's stuff out there that can help

3759
01:56:14,399 --> 01:56:19,598
people, but uh a large percentage of

3760
01:56:17,439 --> 01:56:21,598
these fighters are silently suffering

3761
01:56:19,599 --> 01:56:22,719
and we don't ever hear about it.

3762
01:56:21,599 --> 01:56:24,719
>> They say like it's supposed to be that

3763
01:56:22,719 --> 01:56:26,399
it's that like the argument is is

3764
01:56:24,719 --> 01:56:27,920
because it's you know they're not using

3765
01:56:26,399 --> 01:56:29,279
a glove like that football supposed to

3766
01:56:27,920 --> 01:56:31,520
be wor I mean wasn't that the sort of

3767
01:56:29,279 --> 01:56:33,679
rationale that like you were going to

3768
01:56:31,520 --> 01:56:35,679
have less impact in boxing because the

3769
01:56:33,679 --> 01:56:37,199
the boxing gloves? No, but it's remember

3770
01:56:35,679 --> 01:56:39,039
it's all it's like the subconcussive

3771
01:56:37,198 --> 01:56:40,960
blows. It's like the it's not

3772
01:56:39,039 --> 01:56:43,920
necessarily the the the one shot

3773
01:56:40,960 --> 01:56:46,158
knocking you out as much as the repeated

3774
01:56:43,920 --> 01:56:46,880
>> kind of like small like little bit of

3775
01:56:46,158 --> 01:56:48,559
brain bleed.

3776
01:56:46,880 --> 01:56:50,000
>> I'm sure it's like they're all bad for

3777
01:56:48,560 --> 01:56:50,560
you. You know what I mean? Like a

3778
01:56:50,000 --> 01:56:52,880
version of

3779
01:56:50,560 --> 01:56:54,480
>> knocks to the head are not a thing to be

3780
01:56:52,880 --> 01:56:55,679
avoided. Yeah.

3781
01:56:54,479 --> 01:56:56,959
>> Well, it's also what you take in

3782
01:56:55,679 --> 01:56:58,639
training, too. We're only considering

3783
01:56:56,960 --> 01:57:01,279
what happens during a fight. If a guy

3784
01:56:58,639 --> 01:57:02,800
has 40 50 MMA fights, that's 40.

3785
01:57:01,279 --> 01:57:04,960
>> How many rounds does he have right in

3786
01:57:02,800 --> 01:57:07,440
the gym? Yeah. Oh, training camp is

3787
01:57:04,960 --> 01:57:09,599
brutal. And depending upon how

3788
01:57:07,439 --> 01:57:11,678
intelligent your camp is. Like some

3789
01:57:09,599 --> 01:57:13,039
people are really smart and they'll spar

3790
01:57:11,679 --> 01:57:14,960
where they're not hitting each other

3791
01:57:13,039 --> 01:57:16,399
hard and then maybe one day of the week

3792
01:57:14,960 --> 01:57:18,560
they go live, but you do it with

3793
01:57:16,399 --> 01:57:19,920
trusted, you know, they're they're very

3794
01:57:18,560 --> 01:57:21,039
close to you. These are people that you

3795
01:57:19,920 --> 01:57:22,639
care about and love, so they're not

3796
01:57:21,039 --> 01:57:24,399
going to try to hurt you on purpose.

3797
01:57:22,639 --> 01:57:26,560
>> But sometimes not. Like sometimes you're

3798
01:57:24,399 --> 01:57:28,079
in a hostile gym and you know, you got

3799
01:57:26,560 --> 01:57:29,599
to spar with people you don't even know.

3800
01:57:28,079 --> 01:57:30,880
They're from other countries. You have a

3801
01:57:29,599 --> 01:57:34,319
big name. They're trying to take you

3802
01:57:30,880 --> 01:57:35,679
out. you know, it's um but the the

3803
01:57:34,319 --> 01:57:37,198
amount of damage these guys take. I

3804
01:57:35,679 --> 01:57:39,599
mean, I don't know if football's better

3805
01:57:37,198 --> 01:57:42,399
or worse. They're all But the thing

3806
01:57:39,599 --> 01:57:46,000
about football is the big impacts are

3807
01:57:42,399 --> 01:57:49,118
way worse because when you've got a 300B

3808
01:57:46,000 --> 01:57:51,279
super athlete that's full tilt

3809
01:57:49,118 --> 01:57:52,799
all the way from across

3810
01:57:51,279 --> 01:57:53,599
>> boom

3811
01:57:52,800 --> 01:57:55,520
running start.

3812
01:57:53,599 --> 01:57:59,520
>> Yeah. you're getting hit by a truck

3813
01:57:55,520 --> 01:58:02,000
>> and that but that doesn't it's it's not

3814
01:57:59,520 --> 01:58:03,920
targeted necessarily at your head. So

3815
01:58:02,000 --> 01:58:05,760
it's like what what is better and what

3816
01:58:03,920 --> 01:58:06,719
is worse. You know, boxing's bad. You

3817
01:58:05,760 --> 01:58:08,800
know, it's like

3818
01:58:06,719 --> 01:58:10,560
>> you have less options. MMA is slightly

3819
01:58:08,800 --> 01:58:12,719
better because if especially if you're a

3820
01:58:10,560 --> 01:58:15,840
grappler, you can take guys down and you

3821
01:58:12,719 --> 01:58:17,118
can beat them up on the ground, but it's

3822
01:58:15,840 --> 01:58:18,719
ultimately

3823
01:58:17,118 --> 01:58:21,439
>> you're paying a price make a

3824
01:58:18,719 --> 01:58:23,359
living for sure. But for that glory, for

3825
01:58:21,439 --> 01:58:25,678
that one moment when they win and the

3826
01:58:23,359 --> 01:58:28,000
16,000 people are on their feet

3827
01:58:25,679 --> 01:58:29,520
screaming, there's probably no drug like

3828
01:58:28,000 --> 01:58:31,359
that that could ever reproduce it. And

3829
01:58:29,520 --> 01:58:33,360
those guys chase that high for their

3830
01:58:31,359 --> 01:58:35,039
entire life and then after it's over,

3831
01:58:33,359 --> 01:58:36,079
they, you know, they feel oddly

3832
01:58:35,039 --> 01:58:36,479
detached,

3833
01:58:36,079 --> 01:58:38,399
>> right?

3834
01:58:36,479 --> 01:58:38,799
>> And nothing ever rises to that level

3835
01:58:38,399 --> 01:58:40,479
again,

3836
01:58:38,800 --> 01:58:42,079
>> right? You can make films until you're a

3837
01:58:40,479 --> 01:58:44,158
hundred years old. You know, you can

3838
01:58:42,079 --> 01:58:46,000
make great films forever. You can do the

3839
01:58:44,158 --> 01:58:48,000
thing that you love forever. They have a

3840
01:58:46,000 --> 01:58:49,279
little window, a little window of

3841
01:58:48,000 --> 01:58:50,399
greatness. really tough thing about

3842
01:58:49,279 --> 01:58:51,599
being an athlete like I

3843
01:58:50,399 --> 01:58:54,000
>> we were talking to Pete Sampress that

3844
01:58:51,599 --> 01:58:55,840
time we met Sam years ago and he was

3845
01:58:54,000 --> 01:58:57,760
like we were probably I don't know how

3846
01:58:55,840 --> 01:58:58,319
we were 30 he was 32 or something like

3847
01:58:57,760 --> 01:58:59,679
that

3848
01:58:58,319 --> 01:59:01,439
>> and he was kind of we were like oh my

3849
01:58:59,679 --> 01:59:03,520
god you know he had all these

3850
01:59:01,439 --> 01:59:05,118
you know wins and grand slams and he he

3851
01:59:03,520 --> 01:59:06,560
had a kind of vaguely like yeah he was

3852
01:59:05,118 --> 01:59:09,920
like hey you guys look I I'm about to

3853
01:59:06,560 --> 01:59:11,760
retire it's I'm finished and we're you

3854
01:59:09,920 --> 01:59:13,199
know young guys were you know

3855
01:59:11,760 --> 01:59:15,039
>> just getting started you know what I

3856
01:59:13,198 --> 01:59:16,000
mean like we're also the thing is you

3857
01:59:15,039 --> 01:59:18,158
get better

3858
01:59:16,000 --> 01:59:19,439
>> at your job the more you do it Yeah. You

3859
01:59:18,158 --> 01:59:21,279
know, so it's that thing with the

3860
01:59:19,439 --> 01:59:23,198
athlete. I was having this conversation

3861
01:59:21,279 --> 01:59:25,279
the other day. It's like you have all

3862
01:59:23,198 --> 01:59:27,359
the physical skills at the beginning,

3863
01:59:25,279 --> 01:59:28,479
but you become a better, you know,

3864
01:59:27,359 --> 01:59:28,960
better at your sport.

3865
01:59:28,479 --> 01:59:31,118
>> Yeah.

3866
01:59:28,960 --> 01:59:31,439
>> You know, as your skills are declining

3867
01:59:31,118 --> 01:59:33,198
and

3868
01:59:31,439 --> 01:59:33,839
>> the body just doesn't want to do it

3869
01:59:33,198 --> 01:59:36,319
anymore.

3870
01:59:33,840 --> 01:59:38,000
>> And you've got to just comp become Greg

3871
01:59:36,319 --> 01:59:40,799
Maddox, you know, and compensate with

3872
01:59:38,000 --> 01:59:42,560
all the tricks and location and but like

3873
01:59:40,800 --> 01:59:45,920
and that's why that drama of like the

3874
01:59:42,560 --> 01:59:47,840
aging athlete is so powerful. still have

3875
01:59:45,920 --> 01:59:50,000
it. It's like all do we still have it in

3876
01:59:47,840 --> 01:59:53,440
me? Can I still do it? How long, you

3877
01:59:50,000 --> 01:59:55,439
know, is what I've learned enough to

3878
01:59:53,439 --> 01:59:56,879
compensate for what I've lost? You know,

3879
01:59:55,439 --> 02:00:00,000
>> well, there's an interesting story about

3880
01:59:56,880 --> 02:00:01,920
Vtor Belelffort. So, Vtor Belelffort was

3881
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:03,920
he won the UFC heavyweight tournament

3882
02:00:01,920 --> 02:00:06,239
when he was 19 years old. That was like

3883
02:00:03,920 --> 02:00:08,319
the first event I ever worked at, 1997.

3884
02:00:06,238 --> 02:00:10,158
I mean, he was like one of the all-time

3885
02:00:08,319 --> 02:00:12,079
greats for sure. But as he was getting

3886
02:00:10,158 --> 02:00:15,039
into his 30s, he was starting to

3887
02:00:12,079 --> 02:00:18,000
decline. Then the UFC allowed fighters

3888
02:00:15,039 --> 02:00:20,801
to use testosterone replacement therapy

3889
02:00:18,000 --> 02:00:22,399
and boy did he use it. Okay,

3890
02:00:20,801 --> 02:00:24,319
[laughter] I don't know what his levels

3891
02:00:22,399 --> 02:00:27,039
were, but they were like superhuman

3892
02:00:24,319 --> 02:00:29,039
levels. And there was a moment in time

3893
02:00:27,039 --> 02:00:30,719
for a few years where they allowed him

3894
02:00:29,039 --> 02:00:33,279
to use testosterone therapy and people

3895
02:00:30,719 --> 02:00:35,920
refer to it as the TRT Vtor years

3896
02:00:33,279 --> 02:00:38,399
because he was terrifying

3897
02:00:35,920 --> 02:00:40,319
because he has the mind of a veteran.

3898
02:00:38,399 --> 02:00:43,598
Incredible amount of experience. But now

3899
02:00:40,319 --> 02:00:46,399
his body is moving like a 25-year-old.

3900
02:00:43,599 --> 02:00:48,079
And so he was just annihilating people

3901
02:00:46,399 --> 02:00:49,118
just lighting people on fire.

3902
02:00:48,079 --> 02:00:50,319
>> So they're not allowed to use

3903
02:00:49,118 --> 02:00:51,519
testosterone or

3904
02:00:50,319 --> 02:00:52,000
>> No, they can't use anything.

3905
02:00:51,520 --> 02:00:52,480
>> Um,

3906
02:00:52,000 --> 02:00:54,000
>> no.

3907
02:00:52,479 --> 02:00:55,919
>> No. How about peptides? Can they use

3908
02:00:54,000 --> 02:00:58,399
peptides? Nope. Nope. Not even peptides.

3909
02:00:55,920 --> 02:01:00,880
They're trying to take that and and

3910
02:00:58,399 --> 02:01:02,238
reform that. But there's a lot of

3911
02:01:00,880 --> 02:01:03,840
ignorance about peptides, what they

3912
02:01:02,238 --> 02:01:05,519
actually do. I mean, all it's allowing

3913
02:01:03,840 --> 02:01:07,440
you to do soft tissue injuries, heal

3914
02:01:05,520 --> 02:01:08,880
quicker, and optimize your body's

3915
02:01:07,439 --> 02:01:11,039
ability to produce hormones. So, instead

3916
02:01:08,880 --> 02:01:13,440
of adding exogenous hormones, you're

3917
02:01:11,039 --> 02:01:15,359
allowing your body to produce them more

3918
02:01:13,439 --> 02:01:18,559
naturally, and it'll it just makes you

3919
02:01:15,359 --> 02:01:19,920
more healthy. for a very unhealthy job

3920
02:01:18,560 --> 02:01:21,679
and where you're, you know, you're

3921
02:01:19,920 --> 02:01:23,039
getting hurt all the time. It's it's

3922
02:01:21,679 --> 02:01:24,960
going to be better for the sport, better

3923
02:01:23,039 --> 02:01:26,560
for the athletes to allow them to all

3924
02:01:24,960 --> 02:01:28,319
use it. And it's also there's no

3925
02:01:26,560 --> 02:01:29,520
long-term damage that's going to do like

3926
02:01:28,319 --> 02:01:31,279
steroids where it shuts down your

3927
02:01:29,520 --> 02:01:33,679
endocrine system.

3928
02:01:31,279 --> 02:01:35,279
>> So, I hope they reform it. But the idea

3929
02:01:33,679 --> 02:01:37,840
was that there's so many

3930
02:01:35,279 --> 02:01:40,960
loopholes and so many people cheat. Big

3931
02:01:37,840 --> 02:01:44,480
camps used to hire scientists. So they

3932
02:01:40,960 --> 02:01:45,198
had a scientist on staff that was not

3933
02:01:44,479 --> 02:01:46,079
only

3934
02:01:45,198 --> 02:01:48,638
>> he do.

3935
02:01:46,079 --> 02:01:50,960
>> Yeah. Exactly. Not only procuring stuff

3936
02:01:48,639 --> 02:01:52,639
that that would slip by the test because

3937
02:01:50,960 --> 02:01:54,480
there's like you know the Balco stuff

3938
02:01:52,639 --> 02:01:55,679
with Barry Bond clear

3939
02:01:54,479 --> 02:01:57,678
>> there. There's there's stuff probably

3940
02:01:55,679 --> 02:01:59,279
right now that people are using that's

3941
02:01:57,679 --> 02:02:01,520
slipping through and there's a lot of

3942
02:01:59,279 --> 02:02:04,399
experts that have like one of the things

3943
02:02:01,520 --> 02:02:06,239
is animal derived testosterone. So

3944
02:02:04,399 --> 02:02:08,238
testosterone one of the they do they use

3945
02:02:06,238 --> 02:02:10,399
a carbon isotope test. I think I believe

3946
02:02:08,238 --> 02:02:13,279
that's how they use to figure out where

3947
02:02:10,399 --> 02:02:15,198
the testosterone came from. So if your

3948
02:02:13,279 --> 02:02:17,118
testosterone is like at a very high

3949
02:02:15,198 --> 02:02:19,839
level, they test all your other ratios.

3950
02:02:17,118 --> 02:02:21,679
They go, "Well, no, it all seems likely.

3951
02:02:19,840 --> 02:02:23,520
He's just he's an outlier. He just has

3952
02:02:21,679 --> 02:02:26,399
naturally high testosterone." But

3953
02:02:23,520 --> 02:02:28,560
testosterone that you get from like

3954
02:02:26,399 --> 02:02:30,399
synthetic testosterone is derived from a

3955
02:02:28,560 --> 02:02:32,080
wild yam,

3956
02:02:30,399 --> 02:02:34,559
>> believe it or not. Yes. Yeah. It's not

3957
02:02:32,079 --> 02:02:36,719
It's not animal derived testosterone. So

3958
02:02:34,560 --> 02:02:38,400
the composite of it varies when they run

3959
02:02:36,719 --> 02:02:39,840
the tests on it and they can determine

3960
02:02:38,399 --> 02:02:40,158
>> they can determine that it's a yam based

3961
02:02:39,840 --> 02:02:41,920
testosterone

3962
02:02:40,158 --> 02:02:43,594
>> it's exogenous not indogenous

3963
02:02:41,920 --> 02:02:43,599
>> yam they're fighting it's not heavy

3964
02:02:43,594 --> 02:02:45,840
[laughter]

3965
02:02:43,599 --> 02:02:47,679
>> but if they could figure out a way to ex

3966
02:02:45,840 --> 02:02:48,719
and there's a lot of proof of concept of

3967
02:02:47,679 --> 02:02:50,719
this can they figure out a way to

3968
02:02:48,719 --> 02:02:51,760
extract testosterone from animal sources

3969
02:02:50,719 --> 02:02:53,840
>> bold testosterone

3970
02:02:51,760 --> 02:02:56,159
>> something like that well toine that's

3971
02:02:53,840 --> 02:02:57,679
they used to inject Hitler with torine

3972
02:02:56,158 --> 02:02:59,920
>> you know Hitler was like a

3973
02:02:57,679 --> 02:03:01,440
guinea pig for this one doctor who tried

3974
02:02:59,920 --> 02:03:03,039
a bunch of on him and one of the

3975
02:03:01,439 --> 02:03:04,638
things they did was like inject him with

3976
02:03:03,039 --> 02:03:06,479
bull testicles and stuff. They try to

3977
02:03:04,639 --> 02:03:09,199
keep him viral.

3978
02:03:06,479 --> 02:03:11,279
Yeah. But but there probably are

3979
02:03:09,198 --> 02:03:13,359
athletes right now that are using some

3980
02:03:11,279 --> 02:03:15,439
that they haven't figured out yet.

3981
02:03:13,359 --> 02:03:16,639
So to give them any loopholes at all,

3982
02:03:15,439 --> 02:03:20,479
they're like, "No, no, no

3983
02:03:16,639 --> 02:03:21,279
loopholes. No IVs, no nothing. I

3984
02:03:20,479 --> 02:03:22,879
vitamins and

3985
02:03:21,279 --> 02:03:26,079
>> Right." But the problem with IVs is you

3986
02:03:22,880 --> 02:03:28,880
can mask testosterone and and and mask

3987
02:03:26,079 --> 02:03:32,000
steroids by overflooding the body with

3988
02:03:28,880 --> 02:03:32,159
liquids. So if you overflow so then when

3989
02:03:32,000 --> 02:03:33,920
you

3990
02:03:32,158 --> 02:03:36,879
>> So the ratio is high because like you

3991
02:03:33,920 --> 02:03:39,520
add more water it's you would just fill

3992
02:03:36,880 --> 02:03:41,840
them up with saline and then when they

3993
02:03:39,520 --> 02:03:43,040
go to piss like nope clean look at the

3994
02:03:41,840 --> 02:03:44,880
ratio it's

3995
02:03:43,039 --> 02:03:46,479
>> cuz it's like so much water is being

3996
02:03:44,880 --> 02:03:47,440
processed through the body that it

3997
02:03:46,479 --> 02:03:48,799
doesn't have time to show the

3998
02:03:47,439 --> 02:03:50,638
testosterone. So there's a way to mask

3999
02:03:48,800 --> 02:03:53,840
it especially with like things that you

4000
02:03:50,639 --> 02:03:56,560
would add to the IV. Um, so there's no

4001
02:03:53,840 --> 02:03:58,800
you can't do it's only food and approved

4002
02:03:56,560 --> 02:04:00,800
supplements through like really high

4003
02:03:58,800 --> 02:04:02,079
level labs like Thor, like Thorn

4004
02:04:00,800 --> 02:04:03,119
supplements where it's third party

4005
02:04:02,079 --> 02:04:04,639
tested.

4006
02:04:03,118 --> 02:04:07,279
>> So they don't they can't do anything.

4007
02:04:04,639 --> 02:04:09,520
But for a while they let him do it and

4008
02:04:07,279 --> 02:04:11,279
uh those TRT VOR days are my favorite

4009
02:04:09,520 --> 02:04:13,280
fights to watch. [laughter]

4010
02:04:11,279 --> 02:04:14,639
>> Did they stop doing fighting because

4011
02:04:13,279 --> 02:04:16,158
they thought it was like advantaging

4012
02:04:14,639 --> 02:04:17,520
certain people or they happened

4013
02:04:16,158 --> 02:04:17,679
that they're like this is up or

4014
02:04:17,520 --> 02:04:19,040
was

4015
02:04:17,679 --> 02:04:20,800
>> Well, they look look at the difference.

4016
02:04:19,039 --> 02:04:22,000
That's TRT Vtor on the left and that's

4017
02:04:20,800 --> 02:04:23,039
him on the right when they made him get

4018
02:04:22,000 --> 02:04:24,000
off of it.

4019
02:04:23,039 --> 02:04:24,479
>> Look at the difference.

4020
02:04:24,000 --> 02:04:26,079
>> Jesus.

4021
02:04:24,479 --> 02:04:28,799
>> I mean, that's stunning. On the

4022
02:04:26,079 --> 02:04:31,198
left though, dude, that was

4023
02:04:28,800 --> 02:04:33,039
terrifying. When Luke Rockol fought him,

4024
02:04:31,198 --> 02:04:34,559
he told me, he goes, "Dude, when I stood

4025
02:04:33,039 --> 02:04:36,319
next to him at the weigh-ins, he

4026
02:04:34,560 --> 02:04:37,920
had muscles on his teeth."

4027
02:04:36,319 --> 02:04:39,279
>> He goes, "This dude was so

4028
02:04:37,920 --> 02:04:41,520
jacked. He was so scared." I was like,

4029
02:04:39,279 --> 02:04:43,679
"What the is he on?"

4030
02:04:41,520 --> 02:04:46,239
>> He goes, "He knew he was on something."

4031
02:04:43,679 --> 02:04:48,960
It's just It's cheating. It really is

4032
02:04:46,238 --> 02:04:51,118
because you can jack your levels way

4033
02:04:48,960 --> 02:04:52,800
above a normal human beings because

4034
02:04:51,118 --> 02:04:55,198
that's what a lot of guys there was a

4035
02:04:52,800 --> 02:04:57,440
few fighters that were pulled from cards

4036
02:04:55,198 --> 02:05:00,960
because like say if a really high levels

4037
02:04:57,439 --> 02:05:02,559
like 1100 they were testing like 18900

4038
02:05:00,960 --> 02:05:03,599
they were like people that have never

4039
02:05:02,560 --> 02:05:05,199
lived before

4040
02:05:03,599 --> 02:05:06,480
>> they were like a science project.

4041
02:05:05,198 --> 02:05:10,399
>> They had different species

4042
02:05:06,479 --> 02:05:11,759
>> and they were most insane confidence cuz

4043
02:05:10,399 --> 02:05:13,920
they were essentially like a raging

4044
02:05:11,760 --> 02:05:16,480
gorilla. They were just insanely

4045
02:05:13,920 --> 02:05:17,840
confident and just it's just so fired up

4046
02:05:16,479 --> 02:05:19,598
like they couldn't wait to smash

4047
02:05:17,840 --> 02:05:21,920
somebody because they were just

4048
02:05:19,599 --> 02:05:24,319
maniacal. They're a berserker, you know?

4049
02:05:21,920 --> 02:05:26,399
So you it's not a person anymore. Now

4050
02:05:24,319 --> 02:05:28,559
now you're a science project. It's not,

4051
02:05:26,399 --> 02:05:30,079
you know, there are rare outliers who

4052
02:05:28,560 --> 02:05:31,920
like Tyson when he was in his prime.

4053
02:05:30,079 --> 02:05:34,079
It's rare physical specimens and like

4054
02:05:31,920 --> 02:05:36,239
that's part of the game, but that's God,

4055
02:05:34,079 --> 02:05:38,800
you know, that's nature. This is not,

4056
02:05:36,238 --> 02:05:40,238
you know, Balco Labs. And so they won't

4057
02:05:38,800 --> 02:05:42,239
allow him to do anything anymore. And

4058
02:05:40,238 --> 02:05:43,759
that's why it's cuz too many and VTOR

4059
02:05:42,238 --> 02:05:46,319
was one of the guys that tested like way

4060
02:05:43,760 --> 02:05:48,320
over the line and then they just decided

4061
02:05:46,319 --> 02:05:49,279
>> like but that's what they're going to

4062
02:05:48,319 --> 02:05:50,479
do. If you say

4063
02:05:49,279 --> 02:05:52,639
>> if you say it's legal, they're just

4064
02:05:50,479 --> 02:05:53,439
going to take as much as good more is

4065
02:05:52,639 --> 02:05:55,440
better. And you know

4066
02:05:53,439 --> 02:05:56,960
>> Yeah. If you say you did one cc a week,

4067
02:05:55,439 --> 02:05:58,799
they're like I heard five. I heard five

4068
02:05:56,960 --> 02:06:00,639
cc's. And these guys are just training

4069
02:05:58,800 --> 02:06:03,039
five times a day and they never get

4070
02:06:00,639 --> 02:06:04,480
tired and they recover like that. So and

4071
02:06:03,039 --> 02:06:06,238
they they never have to worry about soft

4072
02:06:04,479 --> 02:06:08,079
tissue injuries cuz they they heal like

4073
02:06:06,238 --> 02:06:09,921
you're a six-year-old, you know?

4074
02:06:08,079 --> 02:06:10,719
And you just your body just like

4075
02:06:09,921 --> 02:06:12,718
[laughter]

4076
02:06:10,719 --> 02:06:13,920
Wolverine.

4077
02:06:12,719 --> 02:06:15,359
>> Oh yeah, man. Well, that's the thing

4078
02:06:13,920 --> 02:06:18,239
about peptides, too. The Wolverine

4079
02:06:15,359 --> 02:06:19,679
stack. BP157 and TB500. I don't know if

4080
02:06:18,238 --> 02:06:22,479
you ever get injured. If you ever get

4081
02:06:19,679 --> 02:06:23,440
injured, get immediately on BP157 and

4082
02:06:22,479 --> 02:06:25,279
TB500.

4083
02:06:23,439 --> 02:06:25,598
>> I didn't hear about TB500, which what's

4084
02:06:25,279 --> 02:06:28,800
that one?

4085
02:06:25,599 --> 02:06:31,840
>> Thyin Beta 500. It's in conjunction with

4086
02:06:28,800 --> 02:06:33,760
BPC 157. It is a phenomenal

4087
02:06:31,840 --> 02:06:34,480
stack and just really helps injuries.

4088
02:06:33,760 --> 02:06:35,039
>> I didn't know they called it the

4089
02:06:34,479 --> 02:06:36,078
Wolverine stack.

4090
02:06:35,039 --> 02:06:37,920
>> That's what they call it, the Wolverine

4091
02:06:36,078 --> 02:06:39,439
stack. Yeah, cuz you heal

4092
02:06:37,920 --> 02:06:40,800
incredibly well. Like you like it

4093
02:06:39,439 --> 02:06:42,000
quickly. I was talking to a pro football

4094
02:06:40,800 --> 02:06:43,920
player pulled his hamstring. He's like,

4095
02:06:42,000 --> 02:06:45,279
"Dude, I I shot that right into my

4096
02:06:43,920 --> 02:06:47,118
hamstring for two weeks and I was right

4097
02:06:45,279 --> 02:06:48,000
back on the field." I was like, "That's

4098
02:06:47,118 --> 02:06:49,759
nuts."

4099
02:06:48,000 --> 02:06:50,800
>> I go, "What is a normal rehab?" He goes,

4100
02:06:49,760 --> 02:06:52,400
"Three months."

4101
02:06:50,800 --> 02:06:53,920
>> He goes, "In two weeks I was back on the

4102
02:06:52,399 --> 02:06:55,759
field." I go, "What the f?" He goes, "I

4103
02:06:53,920 --> 02:06:57,760
don't know how bad the injury was." He

4104
02:06:55,760 --> 02:06:59,760
goes, "But to me it's like I

4105
02:06:57,760 --> 02:07:01,119
pulled my hamstring. I'm now for

4106
02:06:59,760 --> 02:07:02,719
x amount of days." He goes, "In two

4107
02:07:01,118 --> 02:07:03,039
weeks later, I was playing full tilt."

4108
02:07:02,719 --> 02:07:04,960
>> Wow.

4109
02:07:03,039 --> 02:07:06,319
>> I'm like, that's nuts. and going right

4110
02:07:04,960 --> 02:07:08,078
into the area of the injury.

4111
02:07:06,319 --> 02:07:09,519
>> Right into it. Some people think you

4112
02:07:08,078 --> 02:07:10,960
don't have to do that. They think it's,

4113
02:07:09,520 --> 02:07:12,880
you know, systemic. So, you just like

4114
02:07:10,960 --> 02:07:14,480
stick it in your fat on your on your

4115
02:07:12,880 --> 02:07:16,480
side. But he's like, "No." And most

4116
02:07:14,479 --> 02:07:19,439
athletes will tell you the best benefit

4117
02:07:16,479 --> 02:07:20,559
is local. Shoot it locally into the area

4118
02:07:19,439 --> 02:07:22,559
and it just has

4119
02:07:20,560 --> 02:07:23,920
>> like uh cortisone or whatever. Where is

4120
02:07:22,560 --> 02:07:25,920
it? What is the

4121
02:07:23,920 --> 02:07:26,960
>> cortisone? But cortisone just mass

4122
02:07:25,920 --> 02:07:29,039
>> numbs it or whatever. Yeah.

4123
02:07:26,960 --> 02:07:30,880
>> Not only that, it it has a tendency if

4124
02:07:29,039 --> 02:07:31,519
you do it too many times to weaken

4125
02:07:30,880 --> 02:07:32,078
tendons.

4126
02:07:31,520 --> 02:07:33,360
>> Yeah.

4127
02:07:32,078 --> 02:07:35,039
>> Yeah. And so it could actually

4128
02:07:33,359 --> 02:07:35,759
exacerbate the problem because it takes

4129
02:07:35,039 --> 02:07:36,479
away the pain.

4130
02:07:35,760 --> 02:07:38,400
>> Measure, right?

4131
02:07:36,479 --> 02:07:40,319
>> Yeah. It takes away the pain. But

4132
02:07:38,399 --> 02:07:42,238
>> I mean, you know, then there's the

4133
02:07:40,319 --> 02:07:43,279
enhanced games that are coming out in

4134
02:07:42,238 --> 02:07:44,959
Vegas this year where they're like,

4135
02:07:43,279 --> 02:07:46,319
>> I know my my friend had that idea a long

4136
02:07:44,960 --> 02:07:48,319
time ago. He was like, you should just

4137
02:07:46,319 --> 02:07:50,000
do the the the the drug Olympics for

4138
02:07:48,319 --> 02:07:52,078
cash. He goes, "Do it in Vegas for

4139
02:07:50,000 --> 02:07:54,078
cash." And then then the enhanced games

4140
02:07:52,078 --> 02:07:55,359
came. I sent him a tell. I was like,

4141
02:07:54,078 --> 02:07:56,158
"They're doing it." [snorts]

4142
02:07:55,359 --> 02:07:57,039
>> The game

4143
02:07:56,158 --> 02:07:59,118
>> and it's just like

4144
02:07:57,039 --> 02:08:00,158
>> I'm down. I love Let's see what a human

4145
02:07:59,118 --> 02:08:02,238
being can do.

4146
02:08:00,158 --> 02:08:04,238
>> I That's what I think. I mean, look,

4147
02:08:02,238 --> 02:08:05,759
when Barry Bonds and, you know, Sammy

4148
02:08:04,238 --> 02:08:07,279
Sosa and those guys were cracking out

4149
02:08:05,760 --> 02:08:10,000
home runs, it was one of the most

4150
02:08:07,279 --> 02:08:11,279
exciting times in baseball.

4151
02:08:10,000 --> 02:08:13,359
They didn't do anything. They knew it

4152
02:08:11,279 --> 02:08:16,000
wasn't a mystery to anybody. But

4153
02:08:13,359 --> 02:08:17,920
Avery's tuning in. The Bash Brothers

4154
02:08:16,000 --> 02:08:19,599
baseball on a strike, you know? They

4155
02:08:17,920 --> 02:08:22,078
almost destroyed that league and

4156
02:08:19,599 --> 02:08:23,520
then people started watching home runs

4157
02:08:22,078 --> 02:08:24,399
and everyone and then Bonds is like,

4158
02:08:23,520 --> 02:08:26,320
"Well,

4159
02:08:24,399 --> 02:08:27,920
>> these two guys are hitting this

4160
02:08:26,319 --> 02:08:30,158
many home runs. I'm the best player in

4161
02:08:27,920 --> 02:08:31,920
baseball." Which he was. And when he did

4162
02:08:30,158 --> 02:08:33,759
it, it was lights out. Yeah. You know, I

4163
02:08:31,920 --> 02:08:37,300
mean, he had a year where he only swung

4164
02:08:33,760 --> 02:08:39,520
and missed 26 times. 162 games, three

4165
02:08:37,300 --> 02:08:41,599
[laughter] and a half bats a game. Only

4166
02:08:39,520 --> 02:08:42,800
swung and missed 20. I mean, that's

4167
02:08:41,599 --> 02:08:44,800
just,

4168
02:08:42,800 --> 02:08:47,039
>> you know, and yeah, Magguire get like

4169
02:08:44,800 --> 02:08:48,159
just like move his wrist to get the ball

4170
02:08:47,039 --> 02:08:49,760
out of the park and it was like, yeah,

4171
02:08:48,158 --> 02:08:51,198
it was fun to watch. And when people say

4172
02:08:49,760 --> 02:08:52,800
like steroids don't make you a better

4173
02:08:51,198 --> 02:08:54,719
athlete, well, they don't maybe don't

4174
02:08:52,800 --> 02:08:56,400
make you a better athlete, [laughter]

4175
02:08:54,719 --> 02:08:58,399
>> but if you're a Barry, if

4176
02:08:56,399 --> 02:09:01,039
>> you're already an elite athlete, yeah,

4177
02:08:58,399 --> 02:09:03,359
it makes Let Jon Jones do all the juice

4178
02:09:01,039 --> 02:09:05,198
he wants. He'd be fighting until he's 50

4179
02:09:03,359 --> 02:09:07,039
and people up. And you say,

4180
02:09:05,198 --> 02:09:08,399
"John, we we've we really come to our

4181
02:09:07,039 --> 02:09:09,760
senses. Like, this sport's all about

4182
02:09:08,399 --> 02:09:11,839
excitement. Want to give the people what

4183
02:09:09,760 --> 02:09:13,599
they want. Give people let people make

4184
02:09:11,840 --> 02:09:14,639
informed choices based on their own

4185
02:09:13,599 --> 02:09:15,279
discretion."

4186
02:09:14,639 --> 02:09:17,359
>> Oh, it's like,

4187
02:09:15,279 --> 02:09:19,118
>> "Welcome back. Welcome [laughter] back."

4188
02:09:17,359 --> 02:09:19,839
Then all a sudden, John looks like Vtor

4189
02:09:19,118 --> 02:09:21,039
in that picture.

4190
02:09:19,840 --> 02:09:22,880
>> He'd be undefeated.

4191
02:09:21,039 --> 02:09:25,198
>> By the way, John beat Vtor when Vtor was

4192
02:09:22,880 --> 02:09:27,840
in his prime. And Vtor caught Jon in a

4193
02:09:25,198 --> 02:09:30,319
full arm bar, totally locked his arm

4194
02:09:27,840 --> 02:09:32,239
out, hyperextended, popped it, went

4195
02:09:30,319 --> 02:09:34,719
backwards. You can see the video of it.

4196
02:09:32,238 --> 02:09:36,638
His elbow is going that way. He wouldn't

4197
02:09:34,719 --> 02:09:37,439
tap and then beat him in the next round

4198
02:09:36,639 --> 02:09:39,760
>> with one arm.

4199
02:09:37,439 --> 02:09:42,319
>> Yep. One arm. His arm was

4200
02:09:39,760 --> 02:09:43,520
for like a year after that.

4201
02:09:42,319 --> 02:09:44,000
>> Yeah.

4202
02:09:43,520 --> 02:09:45,419
>> Yeah.

4203
02:09:44,000 --> 02:09:46,399
>> Give that man some steroids. Let's

4204
02:09:45,418 --> 02:09:48,158
[laughter] see what he can do.

4205
02:09:46,399 --> 02:09:49,039
>> Steroids. Let him be the king of the

4206
02:09:48,158 --> 02:09:51,118
world.

4207
02:09:49,039 --> 02:09:52,960
>> Yeah. The dream team. It's like remember

4208
02:09:51,118 --> 02:09:55,039
the first time the the the pros went to

4209
02:09:52,960 --> 02:09:57,039
the Olympics, whatever the years, won

4210
02:09:55,039 --> 02:09:58,319
every game by 70 points. You know, it

4211
02:09:57,039 --> 02:09:59,118
wasn't close, but it was a hell of a lot

4212
02:09:58,319 --> 02:10:00,479
of fun.

4213
02:09:59,118 --> 02:10:01,679
>> Well, the argument for that made sense

4214
02:10:00,479 --> 02:10:03,039
though because like these other people

4215
02:10:01,679 --> 02:10:03,679
are being compensated in their

4216
02:10:03,039 --> 02:10:05,039
countries.

4217
02:10:03,679 --> 02:10:06,719
>> Oh yeah, I had no problem. And then by

4218
02:10:05,039 --> 02:10:08,319
the way, now it's got more that last

4219
02:10:06,719 --> 02:10:10,158
Olympic championship was that was a

4220
02:10:08,319 --> 02:10:11,840
great game against France. That was

4221
02:10:10,158 --> 02:10:13,598
fabulous. You know, I mean, yeah, they

4222
02:10:11,840 --> 02:10:15,440
they're they're going to wreck some

4223
02:10:13,599 --> 02:10:16,800
smaller countries and stuff, but

4224
02:10:15,439 --> 02:10:18,319
>> okay, that you're playing pros, they're

4225
02:10:16,800 --> 02:10:20,400
playing pros. the whole definition of

4226
02:10:18,319 --> 02:10:20,880
amateurism has gotten a little bit like

4227
02:10:20,399 --> 02:10:23,839
you know

4228
02:10:20,880 --> 02:10:25,440
>> yes it's it's it's people find like a

4229
02:10:23,840 --> 02:10:26,639
convenient definition of it according to

4230
02:10:25,439 --> 02:10:28,559
what's there like you see in college

4231
02:10:26,639 --> 02:10:29,679
sports is changing and stuff like look I

4232
02:10:28,560 --> 02:10:31,440
got no problem if you're going to apply

4233
02:10:29,679 --> 02:10:32,800
the rules evenly but sometimes when it

4234
02:10:31,439 --> 02:10:34,638
feels like it's just an excuse to like

4235
02:10:32,800 --> 02:10:36,719
for the NCAA to make a billion dollars

4236
02:10:34,639 --> 02:10:38,480
off the TV deal like no no you guys

4237
02:10:36,719 --> 02:10:39,920
you're getting you're getting education

4238
02:10:38,479 --> 02:10:41,759
>> it's like a little bit like yeah

4239
02:10:39,920 --> 02:10:44,719
education you guys making a lot of money

4240
02:10:41,760 --> 02:10:46,079
because people want to see Nebraska play

4241
02:10:44,719 --> 02:10:47,359
>> it's exploitation

4242
02:10:46,078 --> 02:10:48,960
>> yeah and I'm glad they've changed that

4243
02:10:47,359 --> 02:10:50,479
with college sports because these guys

4244
02:10:48,960 --> 02:10:52,078
are the reason why you're filling up the

4245
02:10:50,479 --> 02:10:53,359
seats and they they deserve that money

4246
02:10:52,078 --> 02:10:54,399
>> and not every one of them is going to be

4247
02:10:53,359 --> 02:10:55,359
in the NFL, right?

4248
02:10:54,399 --> 02:10:56,879
>> You know what I mean? Some of them

4249
02:10:55,359 --> 02:10:58,639
that's their window to make that

4250
02:10:56,880 --> 02:11:00,078
money. You know what I mean? Like it's

4251
02:10:58,639 --> 02:11:02,319
hard in the NFL.

4252
02:11:00,078 --> 02:11:02,960
>> And the risk of catastrophic injury is

4253
02:11:02,319 --> 02:11:04,639
always there

4254
02:11:02,960 --> 02:11:07,039
>> is constant constant. Yeah.

4255
02:11:04,639 --> 02:11:08,719
>> And and and the the the metrics for it's

4256
02:11:07,039 --> 02:11:11,279
like what is it a two two and a half

4257
02:11:08,719 --> 02:11:13,279
year career or something

4258
02:11:11,279 --> 02:11:14,319
>> depending on your position. But I mean

4259
02:11:13,279 --> 02:11:16,078
it's it's such a

4260
02:11:14,319 --> 02:11:17,599
>> that seems just fair and obvious. So you

4261
02:11:16,078 --> 02:11:19,519
pay a kid to flip a cheeseburger out of

4262
02:11:17,599 --> 02:11:20,000
college, but not to like, you know, come

4263
02:11:19,520 --> 02:11:21,679
on.

4264
02:11:20,000 --> 02:11:23,359
>> Well, that's the great thing about doing

4265
02:11:21,679 --> 02:11:25,279
something where you're not relying on

4266
02:11:23,359 --> 02:11:27,439
your body like acting.

4267
02:11:25,279 --> 02:11:27,679
>> You can you can kind of do it forever,

4268
02:11:27,439 --> 02:11:29,118
you know?

4269
02:11:27,679 --> 02:11:30,960
>> Yeah. Keep going till you lose it, you

4270
02:11:29,118 --> 02:11:32,799
know what I mean? It's really Yeah, it's

4271
02:11:30,960 --> 02:11:35,118
great. And it's got its own competitive

4272
02:11:32,800 --> 02:11:37,520
aspect and it's a lot, you know, but

4273
02:11:35,118 --> 02:11:38,960
>> like, okay, great. If it's if you will

4274
02:11:37,520 --> 02:11:41,040
bet on yourself and then the expectation

4275
02:11:38,960 --> 02:11:42,399
is, well, I got to do something that's

4276
02:11:41,039 --> 02:11:43,679
interesting enough that people want to

4277
02:11:42,399 --> 02:11:45,920
watch it. Well, that's the proposition

4278
02:11:43,679 --> 02:11:48,158
anyway. How do you guys decide like on

4279
02:11:45,920 --> 02:11:50,000
projects that you you choose? Like I'm

4280
02:11:48,158 --> 02:11:53,118
sure you have so many options now. Like

4281
02:11:50,000 --> 02:11:54,319
what what makes you say this is what I'm

4282
02:11:53,118 --> 02:11:54,719
going to spend the next six months

4283
02:11:54,319 --> 02:11:56,238
doing?

4284
02:11:54,719 --> 02:11:58,560
>> It's really I mean there are a bunch of

4285
02:11:56,238 --> 02:12:01,279
different factors like like the director

4286
02:11:58,560 --> 02:12:03,679
is being the most important one. But but

4287
02:12:01,279 --> 02:12:05,279
if you read a script and and like we've

4288
02:12:03,679 --> 02:12:08,000
read so many thousands and thousands of

4289
02:12:05,279 --> 02:12:11,279
scripts and written so many scripts and

4290
02:12:08,000 --> 02:12:13,359
worked on so many movies that that if if

4291
02:12:11,279 --> 02:12:14,399
we read something and it and it it's

4292
02:12:13,359 --> 02:12:17,198
that thing we were talking about

4293
02:12:14,399 --> 02:12:19,359
earlier, you know, you get that get that

4294
02:12:17,198 --> 02:12:21,598
kind of emotional something happens when

4295
02:12:19,359 --> 02:12:23,198
you read it. you go, "Okay, well," then

4296
02:12:21,599 --> 02:12:25,039
you then you pay attention to it, maybe

4297
02:12:23,198 --> 02:12:26,638
read it again, go, "Wait a minute." You

4298
02:12:25,039 --> 02:12:28,479
know, if it if it if it moves you in

4299
02:12:26,639 --> 02:12:30,239
that in that way, then, you know,

4300
02:12:28,479 --> 02:12:31,519
ultimately the big decision is saying

4301
02:12:30,238 --> 02:12:33,279
yes because

4302
02:12:31,520 --> 02:12:35,679
>> because you're going to spend

4303
02:12:33,279 --> 02:12:36,880
>> Yeah. the last point over which you have

4304
02:12:35,679 --> 02:12:37,920
>> total control, right?

4305
02:12:36,880 --> 02:12:40,560
>> You know, and then you're in.

4306
02:12:37,920 --> 02:12:42,078
>> Then you're in and and you're and you're

4307
02:12:40,560 --> 02:12:44,960
in whether it's good or bad. I mean,

4308
02:12:42,078 --> 02:12:47,118
I've been on those movies where I knew a

4309
02:12:44,960 --> 02:12:49,599
month into a six-month shoot that like

4310
02:12:47,118 --> 02:12:52,319
this is not going to work. [laughter]

4311
02:12:49,599 --> 02:12:53,520
And that that is that is the

4312
02:12:52,319 --> 02:12:56,078
>> it's just the worst.

4313
02:12:53,520 --> 02:12:56,560
>> It is I I I came to think of that. It

4314
02:12:56,078 --> 02:12:57,679
happened to me.

4315
02:12:56,560 --> 02:12:58,159
>> They're going to shoot us all when it

4316
02:12:57,679 --> 02:12:58,719
comes out.

4317
02:12:58,158 --> 02:12:59,839
>> Yeah. Okay. [laughter]

4318
02:12:58,719 --> 02:13:00,560
>> It's like it's all bad.

4319
02:12:59,840 --> 02:13:02,319
>> Go to work. You know,

4320
02:13:00,560 --> 02:13:05,599
>> it's like it's it's going to be it's

4321
02:13:02,319 --> 02:13:08,399
going to be 80 16 hour days in a row and

4322
02:13:05,599 --> 02:13:09,679
then uh a a post-production period

4323
02:13:08,399 --> 02:13:10,719
that's going to be pretty fraught and

4324
02:13:09,679 --> 02:13:11,920
then it's going to come out and we're

4325
02:13:10,719 --> 02:13:12,880
going to get crushed

4326
02:13:11,920 --> 02:13:14,800
>> and then you're going to have to sell

4327
02:13:12,880 --> 02:13:17,599
it. You're going to have to walk the

4328
02:13:14,800 --> 02:13:20,239
plank and sit down with access.

4329
02:13:17,599 --> 02:13:23,360
>> You know what I mean? like so saw the

4330
02:13:20,238 --> 02:13:25,678
movie. How important is that stuff still

4331
02:13:23,359 --> 02:13:26,639
today? Like the press stuff, is that

4332
02:13:25,679 --> 02:13:29,359
still important?

4333
02:13:26,639 --> 02:13:30,719
>> It is. I don't know to what degree each

4334
02:13:29,359 --> 02:13:31,759
specific thing is. I mean,

4335
02:13:30,719 --> 02:13:33,039
>> it's kind of ironic because we were

4336
02:13:31,760 --> 02:13:35,119
talking about coming on this show today

4337
02:13:33,039 --> 02:13:37,679
and we were saying I was like doing this

4338
02:13:35,118 --> 02:13:39,519
show more meaningful in than the rest of

4339
02:13:37,679 --> 02:13:41,279
the we do in aggregate to promote

4340
02:13:39,520 --> 02:13:43,040
this movie. Like we spent this whole

4341
02:13:41,279 --> 02:13:44,078
week in New York doing, you know, I

4342
02:13:43,039 --> 02:13:45,359
don't know how many interviews, you

4343
02:13:44,078 --> 02:13:45,920
know, the the quick ones with all the

4344
02:13:45,359 --> 02:13:48,000
outlet,

4345
02:13:45,920 --> 02:13:50,158
>> five minute interviews, all the the the

4346
02:13:48,000 --> 02:13:53,599
evening shows, the day shows,

4347
02:13:50,158 --> 02:13:56,479
>> all that stuff and and this just given

4348
02:13:53,599 --> 02:13:58,159
how many people listen to the show will

4349
02:13:56,479 --> 02:14:00,078
be more meaningful. We think I mean

4350
02:13:58,158 --> 02:14:02,078
that's our we were speculating but

4351
02:14:00,078 --> 02:14:03,679
>> his historically right if you look at it

4352
02:14:02,078 --> 02:14:06,479
that's it because they've changed to

4353
02:14:03,679 --> 02:14:08,800
like all of it feels kind of produced

4354
02:14:06,479 --> 02:14:10,238
and forced and advertised and and people

4355
02:14:08,800 --> 02:14:11,440
have become resistant to anything that

4356
02:14:10,238 --> 02:14:12,559
feels kind of like a gimmick and a

4357
02:14:11,439 --> 02:14:13,759
shtick and you go on and you do your

4358
02:14:12,560 --> 02:14:15,520
song and dance and they say the thing it

4359
02:14:13,760 --> 02:14:17,199
looks great and you and nobody cares

4360
02:14:15,520 --> 02:14:18,719
like they're looking to go either

4361
02:14:17,198 --> 02:14:20,638
because somebody they know says it's

4362
02:14:18,719 --> 02:14:22,800
interesting or somebody that they is

4363
02:14:20,639 --> 02:14:24,560
trusted and a trusted person is in like

4364
02:14:22,800 --> 02:14:26,639
your like you say your feed right and

4365
02:14:24,560 --> 02:14:29,360
it's your friend or your your cousin or

4366
02:14:26,639 --> 02:14:32,319
or they affix that to somebody which has

4367
02:14:29,359 --> 02:14:34,479
become a more rare thing like who's a

4368
02:14:32,319 --> 02:14:36,559
like a legitimate neutral arbiter,

4369
02:14:34,479 --> 02:14:38,399
right? Who I can't predict what they're

4370
02:14:36,560 --> 02:14:40,480
going to say before I go there. There

4371
02:14:38,399 --> 02:14:42,960
are few of those fewer and fewer of

4372
02:14:40,479 --> 02:14:45,519
those people in the world even those are

4373
02:14:42,960 --> 02:14:48,399
proliferation of more and more voices

4374
02:14:45,520 --> 02:14:50,400
and I it's kind of paradoxical like the

4375
02:14:48,399 --> 02:14:51,759
form of entertainment is getting shorter

4376
02:14:50,399 --> 02:14:53,439
and shorter and shorter. So you're like

4377
02:14:51,760 --> 02:14:55,199
a 7-second, you know, we had an

4378
02:14:53,439 --> 02:14:56,879
advertising company. We we do most of

4379
02:14:55,198 --> 02:14:59,118
the spots that we release like 15-second

4380
02:14:56,880 --> 02:15:01,039
spots, six-second spots for social, the

4381
02:14:59,118 --> 02:15:04,719
ones most people see. And then there's

4382
02:15:01,039 --> 02:15:07,279
this one form, which is like long form

4383
02:15:04,719 --> 02:15:10,239
discussions that are whatever two hours

4384
02:15:07,279 --> 02:15:11,679
long. And the amazing to me is, you

4385
02:15:10,238 --> 02:15:12,959
know, in a world where it seems like you

4386
02:15:11,679 --> 02:15:15,039
can't get people to pay attention for

4387
02:15:12,960 --> 02:15:16,639
more than, you know, a few seconds,

4388
02:15:15,039 --> 02:15:18,560
there's a kind of a hunger for that. So

4389
02:15:16,639 --> 02:15:19,840
there's like this form and that's why

4390
02:15:18,560 --> 02:15:22,000
you see these are getting more popular.

4391
02:15:19,840 --> 02:15:23,920
obviously have this massive audience and

4392
02:15:22,000 --> 02:15:26,639
it's and it it's kind of flying in the

4393
02:15:23,920 --> 02:15:29,440
face of the whole other trend and I

4394
02:15:26,639 --> 02:15:31,679
think and I don't know that it probably

4395
02:15:29,439 --> 02:15:33,439
has something to do with like who do I

4396
02:15:31,679 --> 02:15:36,719
think is authentic and am I actually

4397
02:15:33,439 --> 02:15:38,399
going to willing to extend my two hours

4398
02:15:36,719 --> 02:15:40,319
of my time to sit there and listen

4399
02:15:38,399 --> 02:15:42,399
through and and that an argument that

4400
02:15:40,319 --> 02:15:44,399
people probably do appreciate and

4401
02:15:42,399 --> 02:15:46,559
understand conversations that have

4402
02:15:44,399 --> 02:15:48,399
context and nuance and where there's

4403
02:15:46,560 --> 02:15:50,639
like a back and forth. They're just much

4404
02:15:48,399 --> 02:15:52,719
more selective about who they're willing

4405
02:15:50,639 --> 02:15:55,118
to kind of

4406
02:15:52,719 --> 02:15:55,599
give that sort of voice to in their

4407
02:15:55,118 --> 02:15:57,279
life.

4408
02:15:55,599 --> 02:15:58,800
>> It's also the voice of the public, too,

4409
02:15:57,279 --> 02:16:01,118
because when people start talking about

4410
02:15:58,800 --> 02:16:03,279
things online and things go viral online

4411
02:16:01,118 --> 02:16:05,039
and people just start like saying how

4412
02:16:03,279 --> 02:16:07,039
great they love the film or how great

4413
02:16:05,039 --> 02:16:09,279
this album is or something like that, it

4414
02:16:07,039 --> 02:16:10,960
just takes off organically now.

4415
02:16:09,279 --> 02:16:12,880
>> Yeah. And that has more more weight than

4416
02:16:10,960 --> 02:16:15,520
anything. If you feel like somebody else

4417
02:16:12,880 --> 02:16:16,480
who obviously has no dog in the fight is

4418
02:16:15,520 --> 02:16:18,000
going, "Hey, this is great. You should

4419
02:16:16,479 --> 02:16:20,078
see I'm the same thing. If I hear

4420
02:16:18,000 --> 02:16:21,840
somebody tell me like, you know, who I

4421
02:16:20,078 --> 02:16:23,439
respect, hey, you got to see that thing,

4422
02:16:21,840 --> 02:16:25,279
that means more to me than anything,

4423
02:16:23,439 --> 02:16:27,198
right? Because I believe that. And so if

4424
02:16:25,279 --> 02:16:29,920
the closer you can get to that, which is

4425
02:16:27,198 --> 02:16:32,558
why that I think the act of a like

4426
02:16:29,920 --> 02:16:34,079
telling the same, you know, like telling

4427
02:16:32,558 --> 02:16:36,398
the same like story about you should go

4428
02:16:34,079 --> 02:16:38,718
see the movie to a bunch of people with

4429
02:16:36,398 --> 02:16:40,879
a certain like limited reach, it's just

4430
02:16:38,718 --> 02:16:42,159
it's just not that efficient. But you

4431
02:16:40,879 --> 02:16:44,879
have to because it's like well we sat

4432
02:16:42,159 --> 02:16:46,558
down with our own Trisha Zanaka and

4433
02:16:44,879 --> 02:16:48,959
talked about the mo you know and you

4434
02:16:46,558 --> 02:16:50,799
kind of do that ostensibly because it

4435
02:16:48,959 --> 02:16:53,438
means a little bit more in that in that

4436
02:16:50,799 --> 02:16:55,358
market. But I think ultimately it's it's

4437
02:16:53,439 --> 02:16:57,519
like more and more people see realize

4438
02:16:55,359 --> 02:16:59,439
they're being sold to see through the

4439
02:16:57,519 --> 02:17:01,359
act and the sort of of

4440
02:16:59,439 --> 02:17:03,040
it. They recognize that you know you go

4441
02:17:01,359 --> 02:17:04,399
out and sell every movie. You know what

4442
02:17:03,040 --> 02:17:06,080
I mean? The good and the bad. And then

4443
02:17:04,398 --> 02:17:07,920
we got to decide well which one and and

4444
02:17:06,079 --> 02:17:09,439
who can you count on? Well, it's mostly

4445
02:17:07,920 --> 02:17:11,200
going to be that like the word of mouth,

4446
02:17:09,439 --> 02:17:13,200
your friend, and and now you can see

4447
02:17:11,200 --> 02:17:13,840
that person in your media experience,

4448
02:17:13,200 --> 02:17:17,359
you know.

4449
02:17:13,840 --> 02:17:19,120
>> Yeah. And I think it's also we know that

4450
02:17:17,359 --> 02:17:21,280
when you're sitting down with extra or

4451
02:17:19,120 --> 02:17:22,479
these like that's just their job to sit

4452
02:17:21,280 --> 02:17:23,920
down with people, they're not doing it

4453
02:17:22,478 --> 02:17:26,159
because they want to, right?

4454
02:17:23,920 --> 02:17:27,679
>> You know, it's like they got told go

4455
02:17:26,159 --> 02:17:30,318
talk to that person.

4456
02:17:27,679 --> 02:17:32,318
>> And we got told go talk to them. So, we

4457
02:17:30,318 --> 02:17:34,558
go do the ritual and they say the thing

4458
02:17:32,318 --> 02:17:36,159
they say and we say the thing we say

4459
02:17:34,558 --> 02:17:36,718
>> and everyone goes home and says we did

4460
02:17:36,159 --> 02:17:38,000
our job.

4461
02:17:36,718 --> 02:17:40,718
>> That's the benefit of an independent

4462
02:17:38,000 --> 02:17:42,000
podcast is that like like with me I

4463
02:17:40,718 --> 02:17:42,919
don't talk to anybody I don't want to

4464
02:17:42,000 --> 02:17:44,638
talk to. It's just like I

4465
02:17:42,920 --> 02:17:46,318
[clears throat] I I literally do the

4466
02:17:44,638 --> 02:17:48,000
whole thing on my phone. I go oh yeah

4467
02:17:46,318 --> 02:17:50,318
that sounds cool and that's it.

4468
02:17:48,000 --> 02:17:51,920
>> But like that I think means a lot at

4469
02:17:50,318 --> 02:17:53,679
least this person is making this choice

4470
02:17:51,920 --> 02:17:55,280
and I've listened to it a bunch and I I

4471
02:17:53,679 --> 02:17:56,398
actually find myself agreeing with it a

4472
02:17:55,280 --> 02:17:58,639
lot of the time. I'm so hard right I'll

4473
02:17:56,398 --> 02:17:58,959
give it a shot that you know it's

4474
02:17:58,638 --> 02:18:01,119
exactly

4475
02:17:58,959 --> 02:18:03,759
>> I think also like this format like at

4476
02:18:01,120 --> 02:18:06,880
least I know why it why I started

4477
02:18:03,760 --> 02:18:09,519
listening to podcasts was because uh in

4478
02:18:06,879 --> 02:18:10,959
in the world like the the divisive kind

4479
02:18:09,519 --> 02:18:12,559
the way everybody was talking these

4480
02:18:10,959 --> 02:18:15,199
sound bites and all this and and

4481
02:18:12,558 --> 02:18:19,279
and it was just like the ability to just

4482
02:18:15,200 --> 02:18:21,040
listen to human beings talk often who

4483
02:18:19,280 --> 02:18:23,439
who had different points of view but

4484
02:18:21,040 --> 02:18:26,479
like had a civil conversation

4485
02:18:23,439 --> 02:18:28,079
>> Yeah. was like was such a welcome thing,

4486
02:18:26,478 --> 02:18:29,920
you know, given the given the kind of

4487
02:18:28,079 --> 02:18:33,200
the hysterical

4488
02:18:29,920 --> 02:18:35,920
kind of, you know, uh, frenzy of of of

4489
02:18:33,200 --> 02:18:37,599
of divisiveness that's kind of it just

4490
02:18:35,920 --> 02:18:40,000
feels it's just like,

4491
02:18:37,599 --> 02:18:42,639
>> you know, the it's like I if I open my

4492
02:18:40,000 --> 02:18:44,398
phone and look at the news, I like

4493
02:18:42,638 --> 02:18:46,959
>> It's like, put it down. It's just it's

4494
02:18:44,398 --> 02:18:49,279
it's like uh I feel my cortisol level go

4495
02:18:46,959 --> 02:18:50,879
up. and to actually hear people be

4496
02:18:49,280 --> 02:18:52,960
listen to people I know I don't agree

4497
02:18:50,879 --> 02:18:55,039
with but listen to them and just and

4498
02:18:52,959 --> 02:18:56,718
just think about it. You know what I

4499
02:18:55,040 --> 02:18:58,000
mean? I mean approach life with a little

4500
02:18:56,718 --> 02:18:59,839
bit of humility.

4501
02:18:58,000 --> 02:19:03,120
>> Not hold on to what you believe

4502
02:18:59,840 --> 02:19:04,318
obviously but but but keep listening.

4503
02:19:03,120 --> 02:19:06,639
>> It's also there's not a lot of

4504
02:19:04,318 --> 02:19:08,638
opportunities in the real world to have

4505
02:19:06,638 --> 02:19:10,079
long conversations with people. So

4506
02:19:08,638 --> 02:19:11,759
people are kind of starving for that.

4507
02:19:10,079 --> 02:19:13,920
>> I know. Isn't it funny that this has

4508
02:19:11,760 --> 02:19:16,318
become the shared cultural like we

4509
02:19:13,920 --> 02:19:18,318
listen to that podcast and then actually

4510
02:19:16,318 --> 02:19:19,840
experience that because and also people

4511
02:19:18,318 --> 02:19:21,279
why don't people trust the media? Well,

4512
02:19:19,840 --> 02:19:22,880
because the media doesn't do that

4513
02:19:21,280 --> 02:19:25,200
because they compress it and because the

4514
02:19:22,879 --> 02:19:26,239
truth it's money because actually doing

4515
02:19:25,200 --> 02:19:29,120
that is not with money. it's just

4516
02:19:26,239 --> 02:19:31,359
ratings and the perceived idea that like

4517
02:19:29,120 --> 02:19:32,719
well if you simplify it or you you

4518
02:19:31,359 --> 02:19:36,000
position it one way or that you engender

4519
02:19:32,718 --> 02:19:38,398
outrage um that's simple or just you

4520
02:19:36,000 --> 02:19:41,679
know pure one-sided ideas that are that

4521
02:19:38,398 --> 02:19:44,159
are simple um you know but the news used

4522
02:19:41,679 --> 02:19:45,599
to be the idea was look here's the FCC

4523
02:19:44,159 --> 02:19:47,200
we're going to let these networks

4524
02:19:45,599 --> 02:19:48,799
broadcast their shows and make money on

4525
02:19:47,200 --> 02:19:51,040
it but here's the deal you got to give

4526
02:19:48,799 --> 02:19:52,719
an hour of that and lose money on that

4527
02:19:51,040 --> 02:19:54,960
hour to tell the news and try to tell it

4528
02:19:52,719 --> 02:19:56,239
objectively then it started to be no you

4529
02:19:54,959 --> 02:19:57,599
got to make money for for that hour too.

4530
02:19:56,239 --> 02:20:00,318
And if you're going to make money,

4531
02:19:57,600 --> 02:20:02,159
that's a different incentive than tell

4532
02:20:00,318 --> 02:20:04,719
the truth or reports or any of those

4533
02:20:02,159 --> 02:20:06,159
things. And people try to hybridize

4534
02:20:04,719 --> 02:20:08,639
them, but at the end of the day, you're

4535
02:20:06,159 --> 02:20:10,719
a more successful reporter if more

4536
02:20:08,639 --> 02:20:12,398
people watch you because advertisers pay

4537
02:20:10,719 --> 02:20:14,000
more and then they're doing the same

4538
02:20:12,398 --> 02:20:15,358
thing, looking at their data, you know,

4539
02:20:14,000 --> 02:20:18,079
grand what are people watching, what

4540
02:20:15,359 --> 02:20:19,920
kinds of stories and and I I think this

4541
02:20:18,079 --> 02:20:21,439
is simple answers because you're just

4542
02:20:19,920 --> 02:20:23,840
you're making it into a profit game.

4543
02:20:21,439 --> 02:20:25,600
those incentives are not aligned with

4544
02:20:23,840 --> 02:20:28,159
>> just trying to get down to like even

4545
02:20:25,600 --> 02:20:30,000
reporting basic facts.

4546
02:20:28,159 --> 02:20:31,520
>> Yeah. It's a weird time. It's like we

4547
02:20:30,000 --> 02:20:33,280
have more access to information than

4548
02:20:31,520 --> 02:20:33,920
ever before, but so much of it is just

4549
02:20:33,280 --> 02:20:34,479
horseshit.

4550
02:20:33,920 --> 02:20:37,359
>> Yeah.

4551
02:20:34,478 --> 02:20:38,318
>> You know, it's it's hard to stay

4552
02:20:37,359 --> 02:20:40,000
balanced. Yeah.

4553
02:20:38,318 --> 02:20:42,000
>> And I think that's why it's good to like

4554
02:20:40,000 --> 02:20:43,760
listen to people just talk

4555
02:20:42,000 --> 02:20:46,799
>> and and then you recognize like the

4556
02:20:43,760 --> 02:20:50,159
flaws in their thinking. You feel ego.

4557
02:20:46,799 --> 02:20:51,119
You feel deception. You know,

4558
02:20:50,159 --> 02:20:52,398
>> it's true. people will reveal

4559
02:20:51,120 --> 02:20:53,280
themselves. Like you actually we

4560
02:20:52,398 --> 02:20:55,599
actually don't need that many

4561
02:20:53,280 --> 02:20:57,680
editorialists to be constantly telling

4562
02:20:55,600 --> 02:20:58,880
us what to think and how to think.

4563
02:20:57,680 --> 02:21:00,398
People actually have pretty good

4564
02:20:58,879 --> 02:21:01,759
instincts. You know, if someone's

4565
02:21:00,398 --> 02:21:03,119
bullshitting you eventually, they'll

4566
02:21:01,760 --> 02:21:05,439
kind of hang themselves. Like you said,

4567
02:21:03,120 --> 02:21:06,960
you'll get that vibe. Uh after a while,

4568
02:21:05,439 --> 02:21:08,960
he kind of started repeating his

4569
02:21:06,959 --> 02:21:10,959
sticktick and I kind of he didn't really

4570
02:21:08,959 --> 02:21:12,719
talk about what I was wondering about.

4571
02:21:10,959 --> 02:21:13,679
And you form your own that's like

4572
02:21:12,719 --> 02:21:15,279
forming your own judgment.

4573
02:21:13,680 --> 02:21:17,840
>> Pete Buddhajed actually talked about

4574
02:21:15,280 --> 02:21:20,000
that being dangerous on podcasts. He's

4575
02:21:17,840 --> 02:21:22,159
like, "Because you you go on there and

4576
02:21:20,000 --> 02:21:24,398
you have your points, but you'll get

4577
02:21:22,159 --> 02:21:26,159
revealed over the course of a few

4578
02:21:24,398 --> 02:21:27,119
hours." Like, you can only stick to

4579
02:21:26,159 --> 02:21:28,559
these lines.

4580
02:21:27,120 --> 02:21:30,000
>> Yeah. You get talking points and

4581
02:21:28,559 --> 02:21:31,600
for and then

4582
02:21:30,000 --> 02:21:33,200
>> and then what happens is people just

4583
02:21:31,600 --> 02:21:34,800
like there was an art to like look at

4584
02:21:33,200 --> 02:21:37,120
how great the communicator they stick to

4585
02:21:34,799 --> 02:21:39,599
the message and they do their points. We

4586
02:21:37,120 --> 02:21:41,040
Okay, 30 seconds, 60 seconds. But any

4587
02:21:39,600 --> 02:21:43,280
longer than that, it just starts to look

4588
02:21:41,040 --> 02:21:45,200
like a robot on, you know, and

4589
02:21:43,280 --> 02:21:47,600
like I said, what we need to follow

4590
02:21:45,200 --> 02:21:49,040
through with, you know, I saw you do the

4591
02:21:47,600 --> 02:21:50,479
same hand gesture and the same bit with

4592
02:21:49,040 --> 02:21:51,680
that, but you know,

4593
02:21:50,478 --> 02:21:52,959
>> sometimes you find out they're full of

4594
02:21:51,680 --> 02:21:54,239
just by having them talk about

4595
02:21:52,959 --> 02:21:55,679
other things.

4596
02:21:54,239 --> 02:21:57,920
>> You know, like tell me, do you like

4597
02:21:55,680 --> 02:22:00,398
cooking? You know, like just like and

4598
02:21:57,920 --> 02:22:01,760
then you just see like some concocted

4599
02:22:00,398 --> 02:22:04,000
>> they're thinking what makes me look good

4600
02:22:01,760 --> 02:22:06,888
if about cooking that I should

4601
02:22:04,000 --> 02:22:07,520
>> Well, I tell you what, because Americans

4602
02:22:06,888 --> 02:22:08,640
[laughter]

4603
02:22:07,520 --> 02:22:10,800
exactly it like

4604
02:22:08,639 --> 02:22:12,719
>> do I cook or do I not? What what would I

4605
02:22:10,799 --> 02:22:14,398
>> Does that make me feminine or does it

4606
02:22:12,719 --> 02:22:14,719
make me open to cultural? You It's just

4607
02:22:14,398 --> 02:22:15,439
like,

4608
02:22:14,719 --> 02:22:17,358
>> yeah,

4609
02:22:15,439 --> 02:22:18,318
>> what do you like to cook, man? I don't

4610
02:22:17,359 --> 02:22:19,600
cook. You know,

4611
02:22:18,318 --> 02:22:21,600
>> well, that's the other thing about

4612
02:22:19,600 --> 02:22:23,760
people that are online too much is

4613
02:22:21,600 --> 02:22:25,840
they're so concerned with other people's

4614
02:22:23,760 --> 02:22:28,239
opinions that they don't have enough

4615
02:22:25,840 --> 02:22:29,920
time to formulate their own.

4616
02:22:28,239 --> 02:22:31,039
>> They're just so concerned with how

4617
02:22:29,920 --> 02:22:32,960
people are going to perceive everything

4618
02:22:31,040 --> 02:22:35,600
you say that you're like handcuffed.

4619
02:22:32,959 --> 02:22:36,879
You're like terrified to misspeak.

4620
02:22:35,600 --> 02:22:38,479
>> Right. Right.

4621
02:22:36,879 --> 02:22:39,759
>> I think that in general is a real

4622
02:22:38,478 --> 02:22:40,799
danger. I mean, you we were

4623
02:22:39,760 --> 02:22:43,200
talking the other day, we were saying

4624
02:22:40,799 --> 02:22:45,759
about like one of the ver benefits of

4625
02:22:43,200 --> 02:22:46,880
getting older and and doing this for a

4626
02:22:45,760 --> 02:22:48,800
long time is

4627
02:22:46,879 --> 02:22:50,559
>> you realize like nobody really gives a

4628
02:22:48,799 --> 02:22:51,920
as much about you as you thought.

4629
02:22:50,559 --> 02:22:52,799
You know, you just kind of nobody gives

4630
02:22:51,920 --> 02:22:54,639
a Nobody remembers. You

4631
02:22:52,799 --> 02:22:56,079
>> spend your 20s and 30s thinking like

4632
02:22:54,639 --> 02:22:57,358
this is really important and then you

4633
02:22:56,079 --> 02:22:58,959
realize no one come [laughter]

4634
02:22:57,359 --> 02:23:00,318
off and what's going to be no one

4635
02:22:58,959 --> 02:23:01,438
actually cares. It's not that big a

4636
02:23:00,318 --> 02:23:02,719
deal. Nobody

4637
02:23:01,439 --> 02:23:04,559
>> most people are mostly worrying about

4638
02:23:02,719 --> 02:23:06,318
themselves in their life and they Yeah.

4639
02:23:04,559 --> 02:23:08,079
There's this illusion that they pay a

4640
02:23:06,318 --> 02:23:10,318
passing moment of attention or it's in

4641
02:23:08,079 --> 02:23:12,000
some story or it's like you're

4642
02:23:10,318 --> 02:23:13,519
staring at it because it's about you,

4643
02:23:12,000 --> 02:23:15,439
right? You know, you know that you said

4644
02:23:13,520 --> 02:23:15,760
that about me. Nobody else really

4645
02:23:15,760 --> 02:23:18,639
>> Nobody cares.

4646
02:23:16,719 --> 02:23:20,000
>> And if they do, they're usually

4647
02:23:18,639 --> 02:23:22,318
up. Like something's wrong. Why

4648
02:23:20,000 --> 02:23:23,439
concentrate on this other person's life?

4649
02:23:22,318 --> 02:23:24,719
>> You're probably trying to ignore your

4650
02:23:23,439 --> 02:23:25,600
own right?

4651
02:23:24,719 --> 02:23:27,199
>> Yeah.

4652
02:23:25,600 --> 02:23:29,760
>> Well, listen, man. Your movie is

4653
02:23:27,200 --> 02:23:31,600
awesome. Uh I've loved so much of your

4654
02:23:29,760 --> 02:23:32,880
your films over the years, so it's been

4655
02:23:31,600 --> 02:23:34,318
really cool to be able to have you guys

4656
02:23:32,879 --> 02:23:34,879
in here and talk about this. It's been

4657
02:23:34,318 --> 02:23:35,680
great.

4658
02:23:34,879 --> 02:23:38,588
>> Thanks for having us.

4659
02:23:35,680 --> 02:23:39,760
>> Two very normal, nice movie stars.

4660
02:23:38,588 --> 02:23:40,719
[laughter]

4661
02:23:39,760 --> 02:23:41,840
>> You guys are cool as

4662
02:23:40,719 --> 02:23:43,039
>> Give us a couple more hours.

4663
02:23:41,840 --> 02:23:44,880
>> Yeah, exactly.

4664
02:23:43,040 --> 02:23:46,720
>> I enjoyed it. And I really enjoyed the

4665
02:23:44,879 --> 02:23:48,959
rip. It's great. And uh

4666
02:23:46,719 --> 02:23:50,478
everybody go see it. It's great. I loved

4667
02:23:48,959 --> 02:23:51,199
it. Thank you. Thanks for being here.

4668
02:23:50,478 --> 02:23:54,438
All right. Pleasure.

4669
02:23:51,200 --> 02:23:54,439
>> Bye, everybody.

4670
02:23:59,549 --> 02:24:01,568
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