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they have spent $10 million against you.

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Um, so I don't think anyone would

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dispute that. That's the difference. The

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money poured into this race from outside

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of Kentucky is basically pushing you to

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the point of almost losing and you may

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lose. Uh, where'd that money come from?

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Well, um, it didn't come from regular

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people. It's come from billionaires and

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it 95% of it, at least 95% has come from

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the Israeli lobby. So, um, I'll give you

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their proxies. The RJC, which is the

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Republican Jewish Coalition, Apac, the

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American Israel Public Affairs

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Committee, Miriam Adlesen, Paul Singer,

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and John Pollson went together. They

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funded a pack called MAGA Kentucky,

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which is neither MAGA nor Kentucky, but

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>> any of them live. No, who are those

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three people? I they have been u Miriam

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Adlesen is the gambling magnet who's

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ironically makes money from the Chinese

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now gambling and not in Las Vegas. So

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>> she's literally an Israeli.

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>> Yeah. She was born there. Um she's given

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over $200 million to the president. He

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puts her on the stage. He says that

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she's influenced his own policy and

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attitudes toward Israel. And so she's

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trying to buy a congressional seat in

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Kentucky along with the rest of these

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groups that are probably, by the way,

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getting her money as well. And there's

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there's also another interesting faction

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called Christians United for Israel.

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They're really just another wing of Apac

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and RJC that's been used to co-opt

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Christians into supporting their

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position. and their position is more

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war, it's more strife, um it's more

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bombs, it's send more foreign aid. And

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those are the things that I've been

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voting against. So the real reason that

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this race is a serious race and I may

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lose is because a foreign lobby is has

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fully funded to the extent that they've

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never done in any Republican race ever

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before. um my opponent.

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>> It's interesting because you're not I

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don't think of you as an opponent of

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Israel or a hater of Jews, an

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anti-semite, a man with hate in his

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heart or anything. I don't I don't think

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those topics have defined your terms in

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Congress so far, have they?

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>> No, you can't go find even a xenophobic

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tweet or Facebook post from me in my

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entire life. I I'm the least xenophobic.

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Um, you know, I went to MIT, which is a

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real melting pot of of different

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nationalities and races and ethnicities,

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and it was a meritocracy. And that's

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what I'm used to is just, you know, come

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to me with your ideas. I don't care what

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>> color your skin is or who your parents

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were, and um, let's talk about things.

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But it turns out that I've never voted

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for foreign aid. And in fact, I've

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offered

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>> for Israel,

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>> for Israel, for Egypt, for Ukraine,

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>> for anybody,

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>> for anybody. In fact, I've offered

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amendments as soon as I got to Congress

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in 2013, I had an amendment to defund

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the foreign aid to Egypt, which seemed

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like a good idea at the time because

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they were in the middle of a coup. This

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is how ridiculous our foreign aid is. We

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didn't even know who was going to

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control the capital. There were tanks in

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the streets. We didn't know who the

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leader was. and my colleagues insisted

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on sending the billions of dollars to

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Egypt anyway. The question is, who's

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going to cash the check when it gets

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there? So, I've got a complete track

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record of voting against all foreign

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aid. But it turns out there's one lobby

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that's very upset about that and that's

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the Israeli lobby. And so, you're right,

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this is a referendum. It's a referendum.

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The question we're putting to the people

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is are you going to let a foreign

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country or lobbyists for that foreign

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country um buy a seat in Kentucky from

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and and displace the one congressman who

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will tell you what's in the bills who

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will explain his votes. I explain all of

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my votes especially on controversial

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bills on social media to where anybody

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can see.

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So your position is that it's not your

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position as much as it's the fact you're

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willing to disclose what's actually

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happening behind the scenes.

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>> Correct.

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>> So to add evidence to that claim, the

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last time you were on this show was

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almost exactly 2 years ago. It was a

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little later in May. I think you had

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just won your primary 75%. Yes. And so

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you decide to come up here and we have

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this amazing conversation mostly about

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you and your life and the

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self-sufficiency with which you live and

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how you built your house. And it's

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amazing story. We're going to repost

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that video soon cuz I want people to see

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it before the primary. But in the middle

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of that conversation, you said, "Yeah,

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there's this group called Apac and

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here's how they go about corraling

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support in the Congress and they have

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minders that follow you around and I

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just don't hate Israel. I don't support

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foreign aid to anybody and I don't have

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an APC binder. And I remember thinking,

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boy, I've never heard anybody explain

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how this works in the way that you did.

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I felt like that conversation was a

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pivot point in your political life.

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>> It was. And you know what's interesting?

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In the two years that have transpired

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since then, not one of my colleagues has

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said I'm wrong. Right? Did anybody come

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out and say, "Oh, he's full of it. I

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don't have an Apac person that I go to

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dinner with every time they come to DC

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and back in the district. Nobody said

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that. They I mean they all have an Apac

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person. Now, some of them may not, you

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know, know it's their Apac person, but

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they've all got an Apac person. And by

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by the way, I I have a lot of Jewish

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friends, and since that interview, they

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joke that they're they're secretly my

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Apac person, right? When in fact,

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they're not. But that see it wasn't just

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that you voted against Apex priorities

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or some of them anyway which you did

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because there are people who have done

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that before but you described and you

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opened to public view the process. You

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pulled the curtain back.

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>> Correct. And that was the crime.

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>> Right. The crime is transparency. It's

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not obstructionism because the votes

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they're most upset about me for were 420

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to1 or 421 to1 or 410 to five, right?

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Like show me in any of those cases where

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my single vote out of, you know, 435 if

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everybody had been present was

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obstructionist. It wasn't. What happened

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though is people said, "Who's the one

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person that voted against that?" And

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then they go to my social media and then

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they read the bill and they're like,

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"What the hell? Why did my congressman

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vote for that? What's what are the other

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420 smoking?" Right? And so, or what are

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they getting for that vote? Why did they

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take that vote? Why why were they

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intimidated into taking that vote? And

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that's the problem that I'm causing this

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foreign lobby is I'm causing people to

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ask questions for the first time. Who is

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my congressman's Apac person? for

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instance, how much money do they get

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from Apac? Why did they vote for that

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bill that bans passages in the New

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Testament? You know, that infringement

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on the First Amendment.

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So, because you revealed that, you got

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this swarm of big donors

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laying down big money to get you out of

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your seat. And you said basically it

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revolves around three, Paulson, Singer,

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and Aden.

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Have they described why they're doing

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this? Why would a casino magnet or a

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>> hedge fund manager?

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>> Hedge fund manager, private equity guy,

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distressed debt buyer like Paul Singer,

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like why would they care what happens in

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a Republican primary in Kentucky of all

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places? It's it's um to silence me. It's

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so that I shut up. Look, if I lose on

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May 19th, I'll be out of Congress on

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January 3rd of next year, and nobody's

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going to follow my Twitter. Nobody's

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going to go to my Facebook page to see

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what's going on. I won't be invited down

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into the secret skiffs to read the

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secret interpretations of the laws that

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the uh that the executive branch is

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using to spy on you. I'll be gone. The

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the one whistleblower, if you will, in

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Congress will be gone. And let me tell

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you who's on the other side of this,

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who's funding me. I've got, and this is

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miraculous, I think, you know, you

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called it a referendum. I think it may

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be a movement within the MAGA movement

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is what we're seeing because I've got

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over 33,000 donors and the average

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donation is less than 94 bucks. These

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people, they don't have a lot of money

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to give, but they can't be intimidated,

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right, by the White House. They can't

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have their environmental permits pulled

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on a big data center. The the the

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government of Washington DC doesn't have

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that kind of leverage on individual

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normal people. So those are the people

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who are funding me in this race. And if

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you and if you want to be one of them,

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you can go to massmoneybomb.com.

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>> massiemoneybomb.com.

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>> Yeah. because we we've raised almost

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$200,000 in the last two days just by

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going out there and saying, you know,

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help me fight back. Um, we've got to

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have some ads to run against these

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billionaires. So, what do you think the

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the full money breakdown is? And without

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getting boring about it, I don't think

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people understand exactly how these

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campaigns are funded. So, there's you

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can send money to someone running for

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office, but there are limits to how much

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you can send. You can send to something

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called a super PAC, and there are no

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limits at all. So, it's hard to kind of

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figure out, isn't it, exactly how much

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being spent?

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>> Yeah, I think it'll be after the race

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when people finally are able to compile

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the spreadsheets and look at the money.

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A lot of the donors won't be disclosed

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until July, the super PAC donors,

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because they're on a six-month reporting

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cycle, whereas I have to disclose big

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donors every two days now once we get

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inside of a window with the campaign.

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But um you got super PACs on each side

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and there's a super PAC helping me. Not

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as large as the Israeli super PACs,

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which of which there are three. Um but

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there's a super PAC helping me. Now, as

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far as hard dollar campaign money from

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real people, I've raised over $5 million

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this election cycle, which is probably

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more than I've raised in the entire time

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that I've been in Congress.

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>> Really? Oh, yeah. I usually raise a

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couple hundred,000 maybe $400,000

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election cycle. This time I've raised

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over five million. It's because this

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situation is dire. Now the other side

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you might say okay well how much money

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has he raised for his campaign? He's

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raised about one or 1.2 million per

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quarter for two quarters. So he's maybe

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raised $2.5 million at most. But if you

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go look at where did that money come

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from? Uh, I think because of the show I

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did with you two years ago, Apac sort of

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gone in hiding and they're trying to

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secretly funnel money to campaigns. And

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what we've uh realized and deduced is

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that they're funneling money, hard

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dollars, not the super PAC dollars, but

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they're funnel funneling money from

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their donors to his campaign through a

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vendor, a payment vendor called

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Democracy Engine. It was started by one

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of the people who started Act Blue. It's

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not a conservative, if you will.

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>> Act Blue, the Democratic Yep. bundler.

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>> Yeah. So, it's primarily a left-leaning

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payment vendor. I use a payment vendor

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called Anodot. And some people use Win

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Red. Probably you're familiar with that.

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>> I am.

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>> So, when you see something come through

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a a payment vendor called uh Democracy

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Engine, you you particularly $50,000 per

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quarter. So, if somebody's reported

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$50,000 of expenses to Democracy Engine,

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and if the payment vendor, Democracy

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Engine, has been charging 5%. That means

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a million dollars of money came through

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that payment vendor. And we've seen that

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in both of his quarters. So, basically,

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as as far as we can tell, um about a

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million dollars of his 1.2 2 million

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every quarter that you would think may

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have come from grandmas who are digging

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deep in their pockets when they get an

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email from Trump that says give to this

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guy. That's not where his money's coming

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from. It's coming from Apac donors. And

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then

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>> Apac donors were using a Democratic

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fundraising operation to get the money

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to your opponent.

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>> Correct. And by the way, one of these

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super PACs that's aligned against me,

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United Democracy Project, UDP, they are

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a pro-abortion,

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pro-gay rights, um, left, like not just

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left-leaning, like majorly leftist super

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PAC and they are fullon in my race

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funding my opponent against me.

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>> This is insane.

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>> It is insane. I do think it might be a

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couple years from now when AI gets smart

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enough and honest enough in the in the

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competition of AIS that it will tell you

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exactly what happened in this race

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whether whether I win or lose it can go

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back look at the data and and tell you

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