they have spent $10 million against you.
Um, so I don't think anyone would
dispute that. That's the difference. The
money poured into this race from outside
of Kentucky is basically pushing you to
the point of almost losing and you may
lose. Uh, where'd that money come from?
Well, um, it didn't come from regular
people. It's come from billionaires and
it 95% of it, at least 95% has come from
the Israeli lobby. So, um, I'll give you
their proxies. The RJC, which is the
Republican Jewish Coalition, Apac, the
American Israel Public Affairs
Committee, Miriam Adlesen, Paul Singer,
and John Pollson went together. They
funded a pack called MAGA Kentucky,
which is neither MAGA nor Kentucky, but
>> any of them live. No, who are those
three people? I they have been u Miriam
Adlesen is the gambling magnet who's
ironically makes money from the Chinese
now gambling and not in Las Vegas. So
>> she's literally an Israeli.
>> Yeah. She was born there. Um she's given
over $200 million to the president. He
puts her on the stage. He says that
she's influenced his own policy and
attitudes toward Israel. And so she's
trying to buy a congressional seat in
Kentucky along with the rest of these
groups that are probably, by the way,
getting her money as well. And there's
there's also another interesting faction
called Christians United for Israel.
They're really just another wing of Apac
and RJC that's been used to co-opt
Christians into supporting their
position. and their position is more
war, it's more strife, um it's more
bombs, it's send more foreign aid. And
those are the things that I've been
voting against. So the real reason that
this race is a serious race and I may
lose is because a foreign lobby is has
fully funded to the extent that they've
never done in any Republican race ever
before. um my opponent.
>> It's interesting because you're not I
don't think of you as an opponent of
Israel or a hater of Jews, an
anti-semite, a man with hate in his
heart or anything. I don't I don't think
those topics have defined your terms in
Congress so far, have they?
>> No, you can't go find even a xenophobic
tweet or Facebook post from me in my
entire life. I I'm the least xenophobic.
Um, you know, I went to MIT, which is a
real melting pot of of different
nationalities and races and ethnicities,
and it was a meritocracy. And that's
what I'm used to is just, you know, come
to me with your ideas. I don't care what
>> color your skin is or who your parents
were, and um, let's talk about things.
But it turns out that I've never voted
for foreign aid. And in fact, I've
offered
>> for Israel,
>> for Israel, for Egypt, for Ukraine,
>> for anybody,
>> for anybody. In fact, I've offered
amendments as soon as I got to Congress
in 2013, I had an amendment to defund
the foreign aid to Egypt, which seemed
like a good idea at the time because
they were in the middle of a coup. This
is how ridiculous our foreign aid is. We
didn't even know who was going to
control the capital. There were tanks in
the streets. We didn't know who the
leader was. and my colleagues insisted
on sending the billions of dollars to
Egypt anyway. The question is, who's
going to cash the check when it gets
there? So, I've got a complete track
record of voting against all foreign
aid. But it turns out there's one lobby
that's very upset about that and that's
the Israeli lobby. And so, you're right,
this is a referendum. It's a referendum.
The question we're putting to the people
is are you going to let a foreign
country or lobbyists for that foreign
country um buy a seat in Kentucky from
and and displace the one congressman who
will tell you what's in the bills who
will explain his votes. I explain all of
my votes especially on controversial
bills on social media to where anybody
can see.
So your position is that it's not your
position as much as it's the fact you're
willing to disclose what's actually
happening behind the scenes.
>> Correct.
>> So to add evidence to that claim, the
last time you were on this show was
almost exactly 2 years ago. It was a
little later in May. I think you had
just won your primary 75%. Yes. And so
you decide to come up here and we have
this amazing conversation mostly about
you and your life and the
self-sufficiency with which you live and
how you built your house. And it's
amazing story. We're going to repost
that video soon cuz I want people to see
it before the primary. But in the middle
of that conversation, you said, "Yeah,
there's this group called Apac and
here's how they go about corraling
support in the Congress and they have
minders that follow you around and I
just don't hate Israel. I don't support
foreign aid to anybody and I don't have
an APC binder. And I remember thinking,
boy, I've never heard anybody explain
how this works in the way that you did.
I felt like that conversation was a
pivot point in your political life.
>> It was. And you know what's interesting?
In the two years that have transpired
since then, not one of my colleagues has
said I'm wrong. Right? Did anybody come
out and say, "Oh, he's full of it. I
don't have an Apac person that I go to
dinner with every time they come to DC
and back in the district. Nobody said
that. They I mean they all have an Apac
person. Now, some of them may not, you
know, know it's their Apac person, but
they've all got an Apac person. And by
by the way, I I have a lot of Jewish
friends, and since that interview, they
joke that they're they're secretly my
Apac person, right? When in fact,
they're not. But that see it wasn't just
that you voted against Apex priorities
or some of them anyway which you did
because there are people who have done
that before but you described and you
opened to public view the process. You
pulled the curtain back.
>> Correct. And that was the crime.
>> Right. The crime is transparency. It's
not obstructionism because the votes
they're most upset about me for were 420
to1 or 421 to1 or 410 to five, right?
Like show me in any of those cases where
my single vote out of, you know, 435 if
everybody had been present was
obstructionist. It wasn't. What happened
though is people said, "Who's the one
person that voted against that?" And
then they go to my social media and then
they read the bill and they're like,
"What the hell? Why did my congressman
vote for that? What's what are the other
420 smoking?" Right? And so, or what are
they getting for that vote? Why did they
take that vote? Why why were they
intimidated into taking that vote? And
that's the problem that I'm causing this
foreign lobby is I'm causing people to
ask questions for the first time. Who is
my congressman's Apac person? for
instance, how much money do they get
from Apac? Why did they vote for that
bill that bans passages in the New
Testament? You know, that infringement
on the First Amendment.
So, because you revealed that, you got
this swarm of big donors
laying down big money to get you out of
your seat. And you said basically it
revolves around three, Paulson, Singer,
and Aden.
Have they described why they're doing
this? Why would a casino magnet or a
>> hedge fund manager?
>> Hedge fund manager, private equity guy,
distressed debt buyer like Paul Singer,
like why would they care what happens in
a Republican primary in Kentucky of all
places? It's it's um to silence me. It's
so that I shut up. Look, if I lose on
May 19th, I'll be out of Congress on
January 3rd of next year, and nobody's
going to follow my Twitter. Nobody's
going to go to my Facebook page to see
what's going on. I won't be invited down
into the secret skiffs to read the
secret interpretations of the laws that
the uh that the executive branch is
using to spy on you. I'll be gone. The
the one whistleblower, if you will, in
Congress will be gone. And let me tell
you who's on the other side of this,
who's funding me. I've got, and this is
miraculous, I think, you know, you
called it a referendum. I think it may
be a movement within the MAGA movement
is what we're seeing because I've got
over 33,000 donors and the average
donation is less than 94 bucks. These
people, they don't have a lot of money
to give, but they can't be intimidated,
right, by the White House. They can't
have their environmental permits pulled
on a big data center. The the the
government of Washington DC doesn't have
that kind of leverage on individual
normal people. So those are the people
who are funding me in this race. And if
you and if you want to be one of them,
you can go to massmoneybomb.com.
>> massiemoneybomb.com.
>> Yeah. because we we've raised almost
$200,000 in the last two days just by
going out there and saying, you know,
help me fight back. Um, we've got to
have some ads to run against these
billionaires. So, what do you think the
the full money breakdown is? And without
getting boring about it, I don't think
people understand exactly how these
campaigns are funded. So, there's you
can send money to someone running for
office, but there are limits to how much
you can send. You can send to something
called a super PAC, and there are no
limits at all. So, it's hard to kind of
figure out, isn't it, exactly how much
being spent?
>> Yeah, I think it'll be after the race
when people finally are able to compile
the spreadsheets and look at the money.
A lot of the donors won't be disclosed
until July, the super PAC donors,
because they're on a six-month reporting
cycle, whereas I have to disclose big
donors every two days now once we get
inside of a window with the campaign.
But um you got super PACs on each side
and there's a super PAC helping me. Not
as large as the Israeli super PACs,
which of which there are three. Um but
there's a super PAC helping me. Now, as
far as hard dollar campaign money from
real people, I've raised over $5 million
this election cycle, which is probably
more than I've raised in the entire time
that I've been in Congress.
>> Really? Oh, yeah. I usually raise a
couple hundred,000 maybe $400,000
election cycle. This time I've raised
over five million. It's because this
situation is dire. Now the other side
you might say okay well how much money
has he raised for his campaign? He's
raised about one or 1.2 million per
quarter for two quarters. So he's maybe
raised $2.5 million at most. But if you
go look at where did that money come
from? Uh, I think because of the show I
did with you two years ago, Apac sort of
gone in hiding and they're trying to
secretly funnel money to campaigns. And
what we've uh realized and deduced is
that they're funneling money, hard
dollars, not the super PAC dollars, but
they're funnel funneling money from
their donors to his campaign through a
vendor, a payment vendor called
Democracy Engine. It was started by one
of the people who started Act Blue. It's
not a conservative, if you will.
>> Act Blue, the Democratic Yep. bundler.
>> Yeah. So, it's primarily a left-leaning
payment vendor. I use a payment vendor
called Anodot. And some people use Win
Red. Probably you're familiar with that.
>> I am.
>> So, when you see something come through
a a payment vendor called uh Democracy
Engine, you you particularly $50,000 per
quarter. So, if somebody's reported
$50,000 of expenses to Democracy Engine,
and if the payment vendor, Democracy
Engine, has been charging 5%. That means
a million dollars of money came through
that payment vendor. And we've seen that
in both of his quarters. So, basically,
as as far as we can tell, um about a
million dollars of his 1.2 2 million
every quarter that you would think may
have come from grandmas who are digging
deep in their pockets when they get an
email from Trump that says give to this
guy. That's not where his money's coming
from. It's coming from Apac donors. And
then
>> Apac donors were using a Democratic
fundraising operation to get the money
to your opponent.
>> Correct. And by the way, one of these
super PACs that's aligned against me,
United Democracy Project, UDP, they are
a pro-abortion,
pro-gay rights, um, left, like not just
left-leaning, like majorly leftist super
PAC and they are fullon in my race
funding my opponent against me.
>> This is insane.
>> It is insane. I do think it might be a
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competition of AIS that it will tell you
exactly what happened in this race
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