[00:00] they have spent $10 million against you.
[00:03] Um, so I don't think anyone would
[00:05] dispute that. That's the difference. The
[00:07] money poured into this race from outside
[00:09] of Kentucky is basically pushing you to
[00:12] the point of almost losing and you may
[00:14] lose. Uh, where'd that money come from?
[00:17] Well, um, it didn't come from regular
[00:21] people. It's come from billionaires and
[00:23] it 95% of it, at least 95% has come from
[00:27] the Israeli lobby. So, um, I'll give you
[00:30] their proxies. The RJC, which is the
[00:33] Republican Jewish Coalition, Apac, the
[00:36] American Israel Public Affairs
[00:37] Committee, Miriam Adlesen, Paul Singer,
[00:40] and John Pollson went together. They
[00:42] funded a pack called MAGA Kentucky,
[00:44] which is neither MAGA nor Kentucky, but
[00:48] >> any of them live. No, who are those
[00:49] three people? I they have been u Miriam
[00:53] Adlesen is the gambling magnet who's
[00:55] ironically makes money from the Chinese
[00:57] now gambling and not in Las Vegas. So
[01:00] >> she's literally an Israeli.
[01:02] >> Yeah. She was born there. Um she's given
[01:04] over $200 million to the president. He
[01:07] puts her on the stage. He says that
[01:09] she's influenced his own policy and
[01:11] attitudes toward Israel. And so she's
[01:14] trying to buy a congressional seat in
[01:16] Kentucky along with the rest of these
[01:18] groups that are probably, by the way,
[01:19] getting her money as well. And there's
[01:22] there's also another interesting faction
[01:24] called Christians United for Israel.
[01:27] They're really just another wing of Apac
[01:29] and RJC that's been used to co-opt
[01:33] Christians into supporting their
[01:35] position. and their position is more
[01:37] war, it's more strife, um it's more
[01:41] bombs, it's send more foreign aid. And
[01:44] those are the things that I've been
[01:45] voting against. So the real reason that
[01:49] this race is a serious race and I may
[01:52] lose is because a foreign lobby is has
[01:55] fully funded to the extent that they've
[01:59] never done in any Republican race ever
[02:01] before. um my opponent.
[02:04] >> It's interesting because you're not I
[02:06] don't think of you as an opponent of
[02:08] Israel or a hater of Jews, an
[02:09] anti-semite, a man with hate in his
[02:11] heart or anything. I don't I don't think
[02:14] those topics have defined your terms in
[02:16] Congress so far, have they?
[02:17] >> No, you can't go find even a xenophobic
[02:20] tweet or Facebook post from me in my
[02:22] entire life. I I'm the least xenophobic.
[02:25] Um, you know, I went to MIT, which is a
[02:28] real melting pot of of different
[02:31] nationalities and races and ethnicities,
[02:35] and it was a meritocracy. And that's
[02:37] what I'm used to is just, you know, come
[02:39] to me with your ideas. I don't care what
[02:42] >> color your skin is or who your parents
[02:44] were, and um, let's talk about things.
[02:47] But it turns out that I've never voted
[02:50] for foreign aid. And in fact, I've
[02:52] offered
[02:52] >> for Israel,
[02:53] >> for Israel, for Egypt, for Ukraine,
[02:55] >> for anybody,
[02:56] >> for anybody. In fact, I've offered
[02:58] amendments as soon as I got to Congress
[03:00] in 2013, I had an amendment to defund
[03:03] the foreign aid to Egypt, which seemed
[03:05] like a good idea at the time because
[03:07] they were in the middle of a coup. This
[03:09] is how ridiculous our foreign aid is. We
[03:11] didn't even know who was going to
[03:12] control the capital. There were tanks in
[03:14] the streets. We didn't know who the
[03:16] leader was. and my colleagues insisted
[03:19] on sending the billions of dollars to
[03:20] Egypt anyway. The question is, who's
[03:24] going to cash the check when it gets
[03:25] there? So, I've got a complete track
[03:28] record of voting against all foreign
[03:30] aid. But it turns out there's one lobby
[03:35] that's very upset about that and that's
[03:36] the Israeli lobby. And so, you're right,
[03:39] this is a referendum. It's a referendum.
[03:41] The question we're putting to the people
[03:43] is are you going to let a foreign
[03:45] country or lobbyists for that foreign
[03:48] country um buy a seat in Kentucky from
[03:52] and and displace the one congressman who
[03:54] will tell you what's in the bills who
[03:57] will explain his votes. I explain all of
[04:00] my votes especially on controversial
[04:02] bills on social media to where anybody
[04:05] can see.
[04:07] So your position is that it's not your
[04:09] position as much as it's the fact you're
[04:12] willing to disclose what's actually
[04:13] happening behind the scenes.
[04:15] >> Correct.
[04:15] >> So to add evidence to that claim, the
[04:19] last time you were on this show was
[04:21] almost exactly 2 years ago. It was a
[04:24] little later in May. I think you had
[04:25] just won your primary 75%. Yes. And so
[04:28] you decide to come up here and we have
[04:30] this amazing conversation mostly about
[04:32] you and your life and the
[04:33] self-sufficiency with which you live and
[04:35] how you built your house. And it's
[04:36] amazing story. We're going to repost
[04:38] that video soon cuz I want people to see
[04:40] it before the primary. But in the middle
[04:43] of that conversation, you said, "Yeah,
[04:45] there's this group called Apac and
[04:48] here's how they go about corraling
[04:49] support in the Congress and they have
[04:51] minders that follow you around and I
[04:53] just don't hate Israel. I don't support
[04:55] foreign aid to anybody and I don't have
[04:58] an APC binder. And I remember thinking,
[05:01] boy, I've never heard anybody explain
[05:03] how this works in the way that you did.
[05:06] I felt like that conversation was a
[05:08] pivot point in your political life.
[05:11] >> It was. And you know what's interesting?
[05:13] In the two years that have transpired
[05:15] since then, not one of my colleagues has
[05:18] said I'm wrong. Right? Did anybody come
[05:21] out and say, "Oh, he's full of it. I
[05:23] don't have an Apac person that I go to
[05:26] dinner with every time they come to DC
[05:28] and back in the district. Nobody said
[05:30] that. They I mean they all have an Apac
[05:33] person. Now, some of them may not, you
[05:35] know, know it's their Apac person, but
[05:38] they've all got an Apac person. And by
[05:40] by the way, I I have a lot of Jewish
[05:42] friends, and since that interview, they
[05:45] joke that they're they're secretly my
[05:47] Apac person, right? When in fact,
[05:49] they're not. But that see it wasn't just
[05:53] that you voted against Apex priorities
[05:56] or some of them anyway which you did
[05:59] because there are people who have done
[06:00] that before but you described and you
[06:04] opened to public view the process. You
[06:06] pulled the curtain back.
[06:07] >> Correct. And that was the crime.
[06:09] >> Right. The crime is transparency. It's
[06:11] not obstructionism because the votes
[06:14] they're most upset about me for were 420
[06:18] to1 or 421 to1 or 410 to five, right?
[06:24] Like show me in any of those cases where
[06:27] my single vote out of, you know, 435 if
[06:30] everybody had been present was
[06:32] obstructionist. It wasn't. What happened
[06:34] though is people said, "Who's the one
[06:36] person that voted against that?" And
[06:38] then they go to my social media and then
[06:40] they read the bill and they're like,
[06:42] "What the hell? Why did my congressman
[06:44] vote for that? What's what are the other
[06:46] 420 smoking?" Right? And so, or what are
[06:50] they getting for that vote? Why did they
[06:52] take that vote? Why why were they
[06:53] intimidated into taking that vote? And
[06:56] that's the problem that I'm causing this
[06:58] foreign lobby is I'm causing people to
[07:00] ask questions for the first time. Who is
[07:03] my congressman's Apac person? for
[07:05] instance, how much money do they get
[07:07] from Apac? Why did they vote for that
[07:10] bill that bans passages in the New
[07:13] Testament? You know, that infringement
[07:15] on the First Amendment.
[07:18] So, because you revealed that, you got
[07:21] this swarm of big donors
[07:26] laying down big money to get you out of
[07:28] your seat. And you said basically it
[07:30] revolves around three, Paulson, Singer,
[07:33] and Aden.
[07:36] Have they described why they're doing
[07:37] this? Why would a casino magnet or a
[07:40] >> hedge fund manager?
[07:41] >> Hedge fund manager, private equity guy,
[07:43] distressed debt buyer like Paul Singer,
[07:46] like why would they care what happens in
[07:48] a Republican primary in Kentucky of all
[07:51] places? It's it's um to silence me. It's
[07:55] so that I shut up. Look, if I lose on
[07:58] May 19th, I'll be out of Congress on
[08:01] January 3rd of next year, and nobody's
[08:04] going to follow my Twitter. Nobody's
[08:06] going to go to my Facebook page to see
[08:07] what's going on. I won't be invited down
[08:10] into the secret skiffs to read the
[08:12] secret interpretations of the laws that
[08:14] the uh that the executive branch is
[08:17] using to spy on you. I'll be gone. The
[08:19] the one whistleblower, if you will, in
[08:22] Congress will be gone. And let me tell
[08:24] you who's on the other side of this,
[08:26] who's funding me. I've got, and this is
[08:29] miraculous, I think, you know, you
[08:30] called it a referendum. I think it may
[08:33] be a movement within the MAGA movement
[08:36] is what we're seeing because I've got
[08:37] over 33,000 donors and the average
[08:40] donation is less than 94 bucks. These
[08:43] people, they don't have a lot of money
[08:45] to give, but they can't be intimidated,
[08:47] right, by the White House. They can't
[08:49] have their environmental permits pulled
[08:51] on a big data center. The the the
[08:56] government of Washington DC doesn't have
[08:58] that kind of leverage on individual
[09:00] normal people. So those are the people
[09:02] who are funding me in this race. And if
[09:04] you and if you want to be one of them,
[09:06] you can go to massmoneybomb.com.
[09:08] >> massiemoneybomb.com.
[09:10] >> Yeah. because we we've raised almost
[09:12] $200,000 in the last two days just by
[09:15] going out there and saying, you know,
[09:17] help me fight back. Um, we've got to
[09:20] have some ads to run against these
[09:22] billionaires. So, what do you think the
[09:24] the full money breakdown is? And without
[09:27] getting boring about it, I don't think
[09:28] people understand exactly how these
[09:29] campaigns are funded. So, there's you
[09:31] can send money to someone running for
[09:32] office, but there are limits to how much
[09:34] you can send. You can send to something
[09:36] called a super PAC, and there are no
[09:38] limits at all. So, it's hard to kind of
[09:40] figure out, isn't it, exactly how much
[09:42] being spent?
[09:42] >> Yeah, I think it'll be after the race
[09:44] when people finally are able to compile
[09:46] the spreadsheets and look at the money.
[09:48] A lot of the donors won't be disclosed
[09:50] until July, the super PAC donors,
[09:53] because they're on a six-month reporting
[09:55] cycle, whereas I have to disclose big
[09:57] donors every two days now once we get
[09:59] inside of a window with the campaign.
[10:01] But um you got super PACs on each side
[10:04] and there's a super PAC helping me. Not
[10:06] as large as the Israeli super PACs,
[10:08] which of which there are three. Um but
[10:11] there's a super PAC helping me. Now, as
[10:13] far as hard dollar campaign money from
[10:16] real people, I've raised over $5 million
[10:19] this election cycle, which is probably
[10:22] more than I've raised in the entire time
[10:24] that I've been in Congress.
[10:25] >> Really? Oh, yeah. I usually raise a
[10:27] couple hundred,000 maybe $400,000
[10:30] election cycle. This time I've raised
[10:32] over five million. It's because this
[10:34] situation is dire. Now the other side
[10:37] you might say okay well how much money
[10:39] has he raised for his campaign? He's
[10:41] raised about one or 1.2 million per
[10:44] quarter for two quarters. So he's maybe
[10:46] raised $2.5 million at most. But if you
[10:49] go look at where did that money come
[10:50] from? Uh, I think because of the show I
[10:54] did with you two years ago, Apac sort of
[10:56] gone in hiding and they're trying to
[10:58] secretly funnel money to campaigns. And
[11:01] what we've uh realized and deduced is
[11:05] that they're funneling money, hard
[11:07] dollars, not the super PAC dollars, but
[11:09] they're funnel funneling money from
[11:10] their donors to his campaign through a
[11:14] vendor, a payment vendor called
[11:16] Democracy Engine. It was started by one
[11:18] of the people who started Act Blue. It's
[11:20] not a conservative, if you will.
[11:22] >> Act Blue, the Democratic Yep. bundler.
[11:24] >> Yeah. So, it's primarily a left-leaning
[11:27] payment vendor. I use a payment vendor
[11:29] called Anodot. And some people use Win
[11:32] Red. Probably you're familiar with that.
[11:33] >> I am.
[11:34] >> So, when you see something come through
[11:36] a a payment vendor called uh Democracy
[11:39] Engine, you you particularly $50,000 per
[11:44] quarter. So, if somebody's reported
[11:47] $50,000 of expenses to Democracy Engine,
[11:50] and if the payment vendor, Democracy
[11:52] Engine, has been charging 5%. That means
[11:55] a million dollars of money came through
[11:57] that payment vendor. And we've seen that
[11:59] in both of his quarters. So, basically,
[12:02] as as far as we can tell, um about a
[12:05] million dollars of his 1.2 2 million
[12:08] every quarter that you would think may
[12:09] have come from grandmas who are digging
[12:12] deep in their pockets when they get an
[12:14] email from Trump that says give to this
[12:16] guy. That's not where his money's coming
[12:18] from. It's coming from Apac donors. And
[12:20] then
[12:21] >> Apac donors were using a Democratic
[12:23] fundraising operation to get the money
[12:25] to your opponent.
[12:26] >> Correct. And by the way, one of these
[12:28] super PACs that's aligned against me,
[12:29] United Democracy Project, UDP, they are
[12:33] a pro-abortion,
[12:35] pro-gay rights, um, left, like not just
[12:39] left-leaning, like majorly leftist super
[12:42] PAC and they are fullon in my race
[12:46] funding my opponent against me.
[12:49] >> This is insane.
[12:51] >> It is insane. I do think it might be a
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